[RBW] Cutting a Pletscher Kickstand?
I'm about to install a Pletscher single kickstand on my 57 AHH (with the kickstand plate), and it looks a bit long to me. Has anyone had to cut one of these stands down to size? If so, how much did you cut? Thanks in advance! Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: AHH, Romulus, or Saluki for Randonneuring?
Joel, I have 32mm Paselas (non-TG) on a Rambouillette, they feel faster than 35 (non-TG) and 37mm (TG) Paselas and I usually end up going slightly faster too. I bought the 37mm (TG) Paselas for touring. I don't believe a 32 vs a 36 spoke wheel would be noticeable...not to me anyway. Angus On Aug 31, 3:36 pm, Solomander soloman...@aol.com wrote: I'm curious what wheel/tire set up all of you rando guys use. I have 36 spoke wheels and 35mm Paselas on my Hilsen. My original thought was to have a robust build that would be good for dirt roads and light touring. While smooth, I do find my bike to be a little bit poky, especially going up hills. My Hilsen is usually about 1 mph slower than my road bike. I have difficulty imagining riding it for really long distances. Would a 32 spoke wheelset make a big difference, or a 32 mm tire? I am not anxious to buy another wheelset, especially because I have been drooling over the Salsa Fargo as a potential acquisition. Joel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cutting a Pletscher Kickstand?
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 23:19 -0700, 40_Acres wrote: I'm about to install a Pletscher single kickstand on my 57 AHH (with the kickstand plate), and it looks a bit long to me. Why not try it first? You may be surprised. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 12:55 -0700, Erik wrote: My largest concern is this: most of my friends and neighbors go on 3 - 4 hour rides up into the mountains on their super-light carbon frames. Is there a way for me to set up the AHH so that it is functional on mellow gravel roads, but also keeps up with my friends on the steep climbs? Will a 32 tire work for this? I would prefer to only own one set of tires if this is possible. Depends a lot on your weight. If you're light enough, 32mm is fine for gravel roads. (If you're heavier, you'd be better served with 36-42mm tires, since you can run lower pressures.) The Grand Bois 700x30 (actually as wide as the 32mm Pasela, another reasonable choice) can be ridden on gravel roads, and on pavement is every bit as fast as a 25mm Michelin. You don't say how fast you are and how fast your friends are. I'm positive anyone from the pro peleton could ride faster than me in the mountains if they were riding a 1950s Schwinn Phantom and I was on a top-line Madone. And I am leaning towards building the bike with bar-end shifters. Any reason I should consider otherwise? If you like them, use them. The only disadvantage compared to brifters is that you can't shift while sprinting or climbing out of the saddle. If you do a lot of town line sprints that may be an issue for you; otherwise, probably not. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: AHH, Romulus, or Saluki for Randonneuring?
Just an aside from a guy who doesn’t do a lot of brevets, but a few and some touring and some dirt and some rain and some snow: Most bikes are like most lenses (photography analogy) in that they work well under most conditions. It’s when the unusual conditions arrive, when the going gets tough, when night falls, or the rains start or the road turns to dirt, or the hills get so steep that keeping the front wheel on the road is a serious consideration that specialized bikes or all-rounders come into their own. I was on a dirt road the other day that was so rough that I walked about half a mile of it, because my teeth were chattering in my head and my rear wheel would not stay down. So, at that moment, I was wishing for a bigger tire with lower pressure. These were 25-28 mm in width with about 85-95 pounds-per-square-inch. This was on a club ride. We were following a map, but no one knew we would encounter this patch of dirt (about a mile, I think). Regards, Bob --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
One often overlooked advantage to bar end or down tube levers is that they let you mix and match components easily (while in friction mode). Campy FD, Shimano RD? No prob. They're lighter than brifter setups and are neat for shifting when down in the drops. You just use your pinkies. I sprint when in the drops so they are better for me than brifters, which would require lifting hands to the hoods to shift. --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: And I am leaning towards building the bike with bar-end shifters. Any reason I should consider otherwise? If you like them, use them. The only disadvantage compared to brifters is that you can't shift while sprinting or climbing out of the saddle. If you do a lot of town line sprints that may be an issue for you; otherwise, probably not. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
I find that if you live in an area with rolling terrain (New England) and do a lot of shifting, then brifters are the way to go. I ride the bar tops mostly and my hands are on the bars at all times which to me is convenient and a safety consideration, but I can still shift from the drops too if I'm there. If you live in a relatively flat area and don't shift much, then it's no big deal to reach and shift occasionally. Also, I've worn out several friction shifters in my life (the friction washers wear out), but have never once had an index shifter fail. I know there are other considerations for some though. --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:12 AM One often overlooked advantage to bar end or down tube levers is that they let you mix and match components easily (while in friction mode). Campy FD, Shimano RD? No prob. They're lighter than brifter setups and are neat for shifting when down in the drops. You just use your pinkies. I sprint when in the drops so they are better for me than brifters, which would require lifting hands to the hoods to shift. --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: And I am leaning towards building the bike with bar-end shifters. Any reason I should consider otherwise? If you like them, use them. The only disadvantage compared to brifters is that you can't shift while sprinting or climbing out of the saddle. If you do a lot of town line sprints that may be an issue for you; otherwise, probably not. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Mixte Frames to Riv-up?
I'm searching for a mixte frame for my wife to Riv-up with nicer components. Any brand/models of mixtes I should be searching for on Craiglist? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
I live in New england and have bar end shifters on almost all of my bikes including two tandems. If I were involved in bunch sprints then there would be an advantage to having STI but I am not. I find that for general riding, touring and brevets that bar end shifters are great. They are cheaper, more dependable and longer lived the Brifters. In a fall they are also less likely to be damaged then a more exposed brifter. When climbing on the hoods if I have any speed at all then there is no problem to quickly drop a hand to the drops to make a shift. If I am climbing very slowly then I may need to sit for a moment to accomplish this. Of course if I am going that slow then I should probably stay in the saddle, drop to a much lower gear and spin. The amount of trim you git with friction front shifters is truly wonderful. I tried using down tube shifters on my Rambouillet when I first got it but found that the shifters were to low. If I was riding on the hoods and reached for the shift levers I found I couldn't quite reach them without dropping a shoulder. This motion just didn't feel right. I have compared my Rambouillet and Atlantis to older bikes that were built when down tube shifters were standard and it looks to me like the brazeons on the Rivendell bikes are a little lower on the down tube then these older bikes. Has anyone else noticed this or is it just my perception? Larry Powers just when you think that you've been gyped the bearded lady comes and does a double back flip - John Hiatt Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 05:21:14 -0700 From: r2far...@yahoo.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com I find that if you live in an area with rolling terrain (New England) and do a lot of shifting, then brifters are the way to go. I ride the bar tops mostly and my hands are on the bars at all times which to me is convenient and a safety consideration, but I can still shift from the drops too if I'm there. If you live in a relatively flat area and don't shift much, then it's no big deal to reach and shift occasionally. Also, I've worn out several friction shifters in my life (the friction washers wear out), but have never once had an index shifter fail. I know there are other considerations for some though. --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:12 AM One often overlooked advantage to bar end or down tube levers is that they let you mix and match components easily (while in friction mode). Campy FD, Shimano RD? No prob. They're lighter than brifter setups and are neat for shifting when down in the drops. You just use your pinkies. I sprint when in the drops so they are better for me than brifters, which would require lifting hands to the hoods to shift. --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: And I am leaning towards building the bike with bar-end shifters. Any reason I should consider otherwise? If you like them, use them. The only disadvantage compared to brifters is that you can't shift while sprinting or climbing out of the saddle. If you do a lot of town line sprints that may be an issue for you; otherwise, probably not. _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: AHH, Romulus, or Saluki for Randonneuring?
On Aug 31, 4:36 pm, Solomander soloman...@aol.com wrote: I'm curious what wheel/tire set up all of you rando guys use. i don't think you'd notice a difference in spokes, but i certainly think you'd notice a difference if you went with 28mm or 30mm paselas instead of 35s. for me, conditions rarely justify a tire larger than 30mm - especially on brevets. and i'd say about 95% of the seasoned randonneurs in my region run tires between 25-28. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: AHH, Romulus, or Saluki for Randonneuring?
I have a theory that the faster you are the narrower your tire can be. If you are finishing in 60 to 80% of the alloted time then your bike doesn't need to be as comfortable. If you are finishing in 80 to 100% of the time you are spending much more time in the saddle and the bike better be set up just right or you will end up hurting. The theory probably doesn't really hold up as I am as slow at they come and I have been fine on my Rambouillet with 28mm Ruffy Tuffy's. That is probably a testament to the Riv designed frame with slacker angles and steel tubes since the Ruffy Tuffy is not the softest tire out there. Larry Powers just when you think that you've been gyped the bearded lady comes and does a double back flip - John Hiatt Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 06:15:38 -0700 Subject: [RBW] Re: AHH, Romulus, or Saluki for Randonneuring? From: psh...@drm.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com On Aug 31, 4:36 pm, Solomander soloman...@aol.com wrote: I'm curious what wheel/tire set up all of you rando guys use. i don't think you'd notice a difference in spokes, but i certainly think you'd notice a difference if you went with 28mm or 30mm paselas instead of 35s. for me, conditions rarely justify a tire larger than 30mm - especially on brevets. and i'd say about 95% of the seasoned randonneurs in my region run tires between 25-28. _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Weird Haroldalanpcr...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm searching for a mixte frame for my wife to Riv-up with nicer components. Any brand/models of mixtes I should be searching for on Craiglist? the betty foy is a nice mixte frame. :) -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cutting a Pletscher Kickstand?
The correct way is to install the stand first. If the bike does not lean against it in a way that seems seccure, then you leave the kickstand down and put the front and rear wheels up on books or boards or some such until the bike is leaning the way you want. Then you measure the height of your props, and cut that much off the stand. On Aug 31, 11:19 pm, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: I'm about to install a Pletscher single kickstand on my 57 AHH (with the kickstand plate), and it looks a bit long to me. Has anyone had to cut one of these stands down to size? If so, how much did you cut? Thanks in advance! Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cutting a Pletscher Kickstand?
The two legged kickstands seem cool and I am using one. But as someone else pointed out over on the Surly group, you will always only have three points of contact (POC). Either the three are made up of two tires and one kickstand leg, or two legs and one tire. Trust me when I say trying to cut the stand down so that you have four POCs is not impossible but quite frustrating. Even when you achieve the perfect length for your garage, variations in the surface in the real world will leave you again with three POCs. So I have decided to leave the kickstand full length. Now if I need to change a flat, the bike remains upright on its two legs and one unflat tire, while I work on the flat. It looks a little ungainly parked with a wheel perched up in the air. But that is about as stable as the system will let the bike be anyway. On Sep 1, 12:19 am, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: I'm about to install a Pletscher single kickstand on my 57 AHH (with the kickstand plate), and it looks a bit long to me. Has anyone had to cut one of these stands down to size? If so, how much did you cut? Thanks in advance! Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?
Off hand, I cannot think of one brand better than another. You ought to avoid mixtes that are designed with the two narrow down tubes that go around the seat tube. These tend to have too much flex for a comfortable ride. Go either for a frame with one large center down tube, or, better still, one large center down tube with middle chain stays that extend around the seat tube and join the down tube. On Sep 1, 7:47 am, Weird Harold alanpcr...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm searching for a mixte frame for my wife to Riv-up with nicer components. Any brand/models of mixtes I should be searching for on Craiglist? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
On Aug 31, 3:55 pm, Erik elang...@gmail.com wrote: I live in Boulder and plan to use the bike primarily for road riding in/around Colorado, so there will be a significant amount of climbing involved. given your primary purpose (club riding - in the mountains, no less!) i think you should consider the roadeo if you're dead-set on lugged steel. and build that baby up light! all things being equal, you will be slower on a heavier bike. and it's not just a matter of seconds if long climbs are involved. there's a good chance you could be minutes off if your friends are stronger riders and on lighter bikes. if you and your friends are cool with that, great! in any event, you should find out what the riding dynamic is. re: bar-ends v. brifters - it's easier to shift out of the saddle with brifters. and if you'll be climbing a lot (which it sounds like you are), that's something to consider. re: tires - Jim's post is spot-on. have fun, man - i'm so jealous of the mountains you have out there!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cutting a Pletscher Kickstand?
Michael: I posted a lengthy response to this on another thread on August 15. The original thread was regarding a kickstand on a Bleriot. Some of the thread won't apply directly since you are using a braze on plate. I do use plumbing gasket material between the kickstand and the braze on. This creates a rattle free fitting and reduces the chance that you'll scratch the plate, reducing the chances for corrosion down the road. I'll second two pieces of advice you've already received. Placing the bike on boards or books to get the right amount of lean and then measuring the height of those objects (level) and cutting off that amount works very well. Also, don't assume that you need to cut. Try the stand first. DC On Aug 31, 11:19 pm, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: I'm about to install a Pletscher single kickstand on my 57 AHH (with the kickstand plate), and it looks a bit long to me. Has anyone had to cut one of these stands down to size? If so, how much did you cut? Thanks in advance! Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: AHH, Romulus, or Saluki for Randonneuring?
I like the camera analogy. I also think that if you want to be comfortable, then fatter tires will help with that. Someone at some point called it Hilsen-izing a Ram/Rom...it works well, except there aren't the braze-ons when you need 'em: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/3683083953/in/set-72157615808228445/ Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Sep 1, 6:32 am, Larry Powers lapower...@hotmail.com wrote: I have a theory that the faster you are the narrower your tire can be. If you are finishing in 60 to 80% of the alloted time then your bike doesn't need to be as comfortable. If you are finishing in 80 to 100% of the time you are spending much more time in the saddle and the bike better be set up just right or you will end up hurting. The theory probably doesn't really hold up as I am as slow at they come and I have been fine on my Rambouillet with 28mm Ruffy Tuffy's. That is probably a testament to the Riv designed frame with slacker angles and steel tubes since the Ruffy Tuffy is not the softest tire out there. Larry Powers just when you think that you've been gyped the bearded lady comes and does a double back flip - John Hiatt Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 06:15:38 -0700 Subject: [RBW] Re: AHH, Romulus, or Saluki for Randonneuring? From: psh...@drm.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com On Aug 31, 4:36 pm, Solomander soloman...@aol.com wrote: I'm curious what wheel/tire set up all of you rando guys use. i don't think you'd notice a difference in spokes, but i certainly think you'd notice a difference if you went with 28mm or 30mm paselas instead of 35s. for me, conditions rarely justify a tire larger than 30mm - especially on brevets. and i'd say about 95% of the seasoned randonneurs in my region run tires between 25-28. _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you.http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYC... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
I have a Hilsen and like others have mentioned you might find yourself falling behind your friends when going uphill. Sure, the main thing is the motor but the Hilsen is not the bike I'd reach for first to go out and mix it up with friends on carbon bikes. I'd strongly advise you to take a look at the Roadeo. You could set that up with Jack Brown greens, brifters and a nice set of wheels (Mavic Open Pros?) and still be able to scurry up and down a dirt path from time to time. I love my Hilsen the way I have it set up now--BE shifters, triple crankset, 700x35 tires. It's perfect for my solitary rambles along back roads with dirt excursions. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157613195465589/ To quote Grant from the AHH introduction in RR #38 Don't get one if you like the idea of a versatile bike but can't let go your racing fantasies. I think this is good advice. See the scans from RR#38 at the bottom of the page for more info http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html#ahhreaderintro But who knows, maybe you'll get a Hilsen and your friends will come around to see the advantages of a bike like the Hilsen. Let us know what you decide on. --mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bar-Ends + Inverse Levers?
I already have a set of the Portuguese cork grips from Riv and a set of the Tektro interrupter levers. Are those levers ok or should i use something else? Anything work better? And what's the cleanest way to cut the ends of the grips to fit the barends? On Aug 31, 11:59 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: I am a fan of mountain brake levers, cork grips, and bar tape. Is there anything nicer? Cheers! cm On Aug 31, 5:47 pm, d2mini d2creat...@gmail.com wrote: How would you set up Albatross bars with bar ends? What brake levers? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cutting a Pletscher Kickstand?
El Kickstand is marked with bb heights. If you measure BB height on a non-tilted bike, you can cut at the mark. Cut at an angle, just as the mark is. Here, we use kickstand feet, which add length, and so...if you measure bb at 270mm and plan for the foot, cut 270 minus 10 to 12mm = 258 to 260. Then with the foot, should be fine. Any length will be optimized for a certain slope or no slope at all; and then there's the turning of the h'bar that raises or lowers the bike. Forest-dwellers will prefer a longer length to account for some sinking in the loam, and so on. G On Aug 31, 11:19 pm, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: I'm about to install a Pletscher single kickstand on my 57 AHH (with the kickstand plate), and it looks a bit long to me. Has anyone had to cut one of these stands down to size? If so, how much did you cut? Thanks in advance! Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
My AHH is my favorite bike. I love it for commuting and riding by myself and if I could only have one bike, that would be it. But i just picked up a lugged steel Tommasini Sintesi for weekend club ride type riding. Got it direct from the factory, painted in the color scheme I chose. Great customer service from Tina, their USA rep. It's still not carbon light, but closer. And still has the great ride of steel, especially with their Air fork. Here's a pic of it all set up with 28mm conti gatorskins. http://d2creative.smugmug.com/photos/593173887_5jsPP-O.jpg --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Outer ring on Rambouillet
So I'm currently running my Rambouillet with a double crankset (50/34) and an 8 speed cassette (11-28). I really have to admit that I just don't find pushing the 50 outer ring to be that enjoyable. I'm thinking of going to a 46. I'm using an FSA compact derailer. Will this combo work? Would I be better off going with a 48 outer chainring? My Hilsen has a 46 outer ring and I really like that. I guess I'm just curious if it'll shift okay. Right now I have DT shifters (Silver) and will probably go back to bar-end for the winter. Thanks, mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
While I don't have a Hilsen I do have a Riv custom with Jack Browns. Oh, I also have a MCRB with skinny tires pumped up to some mega psi's. I find myself falling behind my friends on either bike. What's up with that? -JimD Riding for fun since I don't seem to be able to muster real speed. On Sep 1, 2009, at 7:24 AM, Mike wrote: I have a Hilsen and like others have mentioned you might find yourself falling behind your friends when going uphill. Sure, the main thing is the motor but the Hilsen is not the bike I'd reach for first to go out and mix it up with friends on carbon bikes. I'd strongly advise you to take a look at the Roadeo. You could set that up with Jack Brown greens, brifters and a nice set of wheels (Mavic Open Pros?) and still be able to scurry up and down a dirt path from time to time. I love my Hilsen the way I have it set up now--BE shifters, triple crankset, 700x35 tires. It's perfect for my solitary rambles along back roads with dirt excursions. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157613195465589/ To quote Grant from the AHH introduction in RR #38 Don't get one if you like the idea of a versatile bike but can't let go your racing fantasies. I think this is good advice. See the scans from RR#38 at the bottom of the page for more info http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html#ahhreaderintro But who knows, maybe you'll get a Hilsen and your friends will come around to see the advantages of a bike like the Hilsen. Let us know what you decide on. --mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Hillborne vs. Bombadil vs. Atlantis (vs. Surly LHT, but nevermind that...)
I am 5 11 and 190 lbs. I love my Sam Hillborne. I have one of the 52 CM frames I don't know what the weight limit on the frame is but I ride it with the Maxy-Fasty tires on Velocity Dyad rims and DT-Swiss 370 hubs. Kind of a fast commuter and when I tour I travel light with less than 15 lbs of gear but a credit card with a high limit. However, I am sure the light hubs reduce the weight limit of the bike. My other options that I looked at were inporting a Dawes Galaxy or Thorn Nomad or Mercian King of Mercia from the UK but the currency conversion crashed the budget. I've toured all over Asia, in some rather difficult places and I can't really imagine a place that I would go that the SH wouldn't handle well. Obviously, you have to know the limits of your bicycle and riding ability. On Aug 12, 6:51 am, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: I surely did not mean to sell the Sammy H short in any way. Beyond the Rivendell PDF I have been told by 2 of their dealers that if I planned on doing any heavy touring to heed those weight limits. I am SURE that it is a tad conservative and as long as the original poster is looking at light touring and s24o action than the SH is probably way more than enough. But if it was me looking and I was investing a good deal into a bike frame I would get the one that fit as many of my needs as possible. If the original poster thinks that he may do any heavy duty touring at any point it might make sense to go with a frame that is designed to handle a little more weight than the SH. I myself own a Bleriot and am very aware of what that frame can handle so I have no doubts of the greatness of the SH. One of those in orange is on my short list to acquire within the next year. On Aug 11, 6:39 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Aug 11, 2009, at 5:37 AM, Johnny Alien wrote: On Aug 10, 10:57 pm, broken_cynic broken.cy...@gmail.com wrote: If you were contemplating the purchase of either aSamHillborne, a Bombadil or an Atlantis as an all-rounder which was to be used mainly for commuting and the occasional weekend trail ride to start with, then proceeding to s24o type outings, shorter and eventually longer unsupported touring to include some off-road elements, which would you lean toward and why? At 6'1 and just shy of 200lbs I'd need one of the stouter frames if it is to carry myself and a load of gear over rough ground. I know the right answer is to ride all three and go with whichever feels best, but it will a few months at best before I have that opportunity and the question is burning a hole in my mind right now, so I'm enlisting your opinions as a sort of vicarious contemplation. You actually can get the info you need right on Rivendell. For your weight the Hilborne is pretty much out. Rivendell lists the the weight limit on the SH as 240lbs combined for passenger and load. Not if he keeps his total weight below 240,. Less than 40 lbs of gear for an S24O is easy and for a long unsupported tour can be done. The 2 wheeled Winnebago mentality makes bike touring much less pleasant than it ought to be. And, I suspect that Rivendell's weight limits are very conservative.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cutting a Pletscher Kickstand?
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:19 AM, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: I'm about to install a Pletscher single kickstand on my 57 AHH (with the kickstand plate), and it looks a bit long to me. Has anyone had to cut one of these stands down to size? If so, how much did you cut? Thanks in advance! I use a hacksaw after I eyeball it. Haven't cut too much yet and I've done this many, many times. I also prefer to leave it a bit longer than it might be, since this seems to help hold the bike up when it has a load on the rear. *My* question is, how tight do you have to clamp one onto the chain stays if your frame has no mounting plate, in order to prevent it coming loose? I do use leather padding, but I am prone to over torquing and slightly denting the stays (though I only put stands on beaters, so I am not over troubled by doing this. I'd rather have dents than a loose stand. Michael -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet
The Rams pre-kitted at RBW came with a 48/36/26 Sugino triple. That's how mine is, and 48 works great for me with a 12 - 27 rear setup (also the original issue) To answer your question, yes a 46 compact (110 bcd) will work. See deatiled tables at Harris Cyclery for chain wheels. --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike mjawn...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Outer ring on Rambouillet To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 10:23 AM So I'm currently running my Rambouillet with a double crankset (50/34) and an 8 speed cassette (11-28). I really have to admit that I just don't find pushing the 50 outer ring to be that enjoyable. I'm thinking of going to a 46. I'm using an FSA compact derailer. Will this combo work? Would I be better off going with a 48 outer chainring? My Hilsen has a 46 outer ring and I really like that. I guess I'm just curious if it'll shift okay. Right now I have DT shifters (Silver) and will probably go back to bar-end for the winter. Thanks, mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:45 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Off hand, I cannot think of one brand better than another. You ought to avoid mixtes that are designed with the two narrow down tubes that go around the seat tube. These tend to have too much flex for a comfortable ride. Well, that depends on who is riding it and for what. A light person with no load on the twin-thin-tube Nishiki mixte I recently sold would find it fine. I, at 170 plus groceries, did find it somewhat flexy, but only when carrying upward of 20 lb in the rear. This Nishiki claimed per its stickers to be built of db chromo, but it was rather beefy for a 20 inch frame (I installed a very long seatpost.) Go either for a frame with one large center down tube, or, better still, one large center down tube with middle chain stays that extend around the seat tube and join the down tube. On Sep 1, 7:47 am, Weird Harold alanpcr...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm searching for a mixte frame for my wife to Riv-up with nicer components. Any brand/models of mixtes I should be searching for on Craiglist? -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cutting a Pletscher Kickstand?
Patrick Use a material that adds friction to arrangement and resists compression. I use reddish/orange plumbing gasket material to protect the frame. IMO, the leather you are using might be too slippery and it compresses - leading to the impression that you haven't tightened the fitting enough. Next, tighten and test, then tighten and test again. You tighten only until the plate is firmly mounted and no more. Use nylock nuts with a lock washer or blue locktite and a lock washer on the fixing bolt. Lastly, assure that the mounting plate can't move to a different part of the chainstays. One bike I fitted had stays that tapered quickly behind the mounting plate allowing it to walk back over time and loosen. A couple of hose clamps solved that issue. DC On Sep 1, 8:49 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:19 AM, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: I'm about to install a Pletscher single kickstand on my 57 AHH (with the kickstand plate), and it looks a bit long to me. Has anyone had to cut one of these stands down to size? If so, how much did you cut? Thanks in advance! I use a hacksaw after I eyeball it. Haven't cut too much yet and I've done this many, many times. I also prefer to leave it a bit longer than it might be, since this seems to help hold the bike up when it has a load on the rear. *My* question is, how tight do you have to clamp one onto the chain stays if your frame has no mounting plate, in order to prevent it coming loose? I do use leather padding, but I am prone to over torquing and slightly denting the stays (though I only put stands on beaters, so I am not over troubled by doing this. I'd rather have dents than a loose stand. Michael -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cutting a Pletscher Kickstand?
Thanks, Dave; useful information. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Patrick Use a material that adds friction to arrangement and resists compression. I use reddish/orange plumbing gasket material to protect the frame. IMO, the leather you are using might be too slippery and it compresses - leading to the impression that you haven't tightened the fitting enough. Next, tighten and test, then tighten and test again. You tighten only until the plate is firmly mounted and no more. Use nylock nuts with a lock washer or blue locktite and a lock washer on the fixing bolt. Lastly, assure that the mounting plate can't move to a different part of the chainstays. One bike I fitted had stays that tapered quickly behind the mounting plate allowing it to walk back over time and loosen. A couple of hose clamps solved that issue. DC On Sep 1, 8:49 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:19 AM, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: I'm about to install a Pletscher single kickstand on my 57 AHH (with the kickstand plate), and it looks a bit long to me. Has anyone had to cut one of these stands down to size? If so, how much did you cut? Thanks in advance! I use a hacksaw after I eyeball it. Haven't cut too much yet and I've done this many, many times. I also prefer to leave it a bit longer than it might be, since this seems to help hold the bike up when it has a load on the rear. *My* question is, how tight do you have to clamp one onto the chain stays if your frame has no mounting plate, in order to prevent it coming loose? I do use leather padding, but I am prone to over torquing and slightly denting the stays (though I only put stands on beaters, so I am not over troubled by doing this. I'd rather have dents than a loose stand. Michael -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet
It baffles me that compact double cranksets usually come as 50/36 or maybe 48/34; maybe this is a limitation of typical 110BCD bolt diameter. In any case, a 50 or 48 outer ring is still pretty hard to turn, and 36 is not low enough for my taste. For those, like myself, that just don't like triple cranks and like low gears instead of high ones, this can be an annoyance. I find that a 50 ring is kind of useless because I don't ever need that many gear inches. I ended up getting a TA Pro 5 Vis crankset and I'm really pleased with it. It allows a huge range of chainrings (if you can find them). I have mine set up as a 46/30 with a 9speed 13-30 cassette on my AHH. It's perfect for 100% of my rides. It's so great that I'm putting a TA 46/30 with a 9 speed 12-27 on my new-to-me Rambouillet. The modern TA Carmina and White Industries cranksets also allow a for wide range compact setup, but both are also expensive. Boo! Wouldn't it be nice if Sugino et al offered something like this at a more reasonable price? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 10:17 -0700, Steve Park wrote: It baffles me that compact double cranksets usually come as 50/36 or maybe 48/34; maybe this is a limitation of typical 110BCD bolt diameter. 34T is the smallest you can get on the 110mm bolt circle. The 50T, typically coupled with an 11T sprocket in back, is for racers, who want those high gears for sprinting. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?
I've been looking for a mixte too. Assuming that you want to spend less for the frame than what a Betty Foy would cost, there are some nice English ones made from 531 that aren't too expensive. Here's one example for sale now: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/1350927430.html If I didn't need a French mixte, I'd buy that one. I also know of a nice Holdsworth 531, an Alex Singer, and a Herse. If you're interested I can send you the contact info but the Singer and Herse would be more expensive than the Betty Foy. There are a lot of older Peugeot mixtes, and I'll probably get one of those. Good basic bike and relatively inexpensive. Motobecane had mixte versions of some of their higher end bikes, generally made with Vitus steel, but those are a little harder to find. Jim M wc, ca On Sep 1, 5:47 am, Weird Harold alanpcr...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm searching for a mixte frame for my wife to Riv-up with nicer components. Any brand/models of mixtes I should be searching for on Craiglist? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet
On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:50, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 10:17 -0700, Steve Park wrote: It baffles me that compact double cranksets usually come as 50/36 or maybe 48/34; maybe this is a limitation of typical 110BCD bolt diameter. 34T is the smallest you can get on the 110mm bolt circle. 33T actually. Not sure if anyone besides TA makes 'em, though. Ryan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Jack Browns fenders on a Romulus
Has anyone been able to fit fenders and Jack Browns on a side-pull Romulus? If so, which fenders? It seems like it could be possible; the Romulus product flyer says it can fit 35s with fenders / 38s without but I'm not sure which manufacturer's 35s that was in reference to. :) -nathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 05:21 -0700, Ron Farnsworth wrote: I find that if you live in an area with rolling terrain (New England) and do a lot of shifting, then brifters are the way to go. I ride the bar tops mostly and my hands are on the bars at all times which to me is convenient and a safety consideration, but I can still shift from the drops too if I'm there. If you live in a relatively flat area and don't shift much, then it's no big deal to reach and shift occasionally.. Also, I've worn out several friction shifters in my life (the friction washers wear out), but have never once had an index shifter fail. I know there are other considerations for some though. It's no big deal to reach from the brake hood to the bar end shifter to shift, even ifyou do a lot of shifting (however much a lot actually is). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cutting a Pletscher Kickstand?
I'm blown away by the number and quality of the responses. Thank you all so much. This really is a great community! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:57 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:45 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Off hand, I cannot think of one brand better than another. OK, here are three: - Rene Herse - Alex Singer - Jack Taylor --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
I agree that you probably won't be able to match your friends speed if they're riding carbon fiber or titanium. Those bikes will be lighter and a little faster given the same power output. The AHH is a versatile all around performer that you'll most likely be more comfortable on for longer rides. On Aug 31, 12:55 pm, Erik elang...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all: I am in the market for a lugged steel frame, and am about ready to pull the trigger on an A. Homer Hilsen. Based on my needs (described below), I would greatly appreciate any guidance as to whether or not this is the right bike for me, and how I might choose the right tires. I live in Boulder and plan to use the bike primarily for road riding in/around Colorado, so there will be a significant amount of climbing involved. There are also quite a few gravel paths that I would like to take advantage of around my house. I have no experience camping or doing longer multi-day trips, but the concept intrigues me. Basically, I do not currently own a bicycle, so I want this bike to serve all of my needs. My largest concern is this: most of my friends and neighbors go on 3 - 4 hour rides up into the mountains on their super-light carbon frames. Is there a way for me to set up the AHH so that it is functional on mellow gravel roads, but also keeps up with my friends on the steep climbs? Will a 32 tire work for this? I would prefer to only own one set of tires if this is possible. And I am leaning towards building the bike with bar-end shifters. Any reason I should consider otherwise? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Cheers. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Jack Browns fenders on a Romulus
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 11:11 -0700, nathan spindel wrote: Has anyone been able to fit fenders and Jack Browns on a side-pull Romulus? If so, which fenders? It seems like it could be possible; the Romulus product flyer says it can fit 35s with fenders / 38s without but I'm not sure which manufacturer's 35s that was in reference to. :) And which Rom was that, the sidepull Rom or the Canti version? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
Erik, I live in San Francisco Bay Area, and though it's not exactly Boulder, there's plenty of climbing here, too. I have a Hilsen as well as a MCRB. The Hilsen (with Jack Brown blues) outweighs the MCRB by a good 10 lbs, and on the same routes, I'd say that I'm about about 1 mph slower on the Hilsen. That's a so what difference when I'm on my own, esp. since I enjoy riding the Hilsen more than the MCRB on most days. If I were trying to keep up with a faster-riding group (whether they were on MCRB's, vintage Schwins, recumbents, or unicycles), I'd probably grab the MCRB first. But that's the only situation in which I'd reflexively grab the MCRB before the Hilsen. I use the Hilsen to fetch groceries and take-out food. I've taken the Hilsen on fire-roads and trails. I use it to get around the city. I've taken it on the train. You get the picture: super versatile. I use downtube shifters out of nostalgia more than anything else. My wife's Saluki has bar-cons, which are great. The MCRB has brifters. If you think that most of your riding will be unloaded, fast-ish club rides, then I think you might be better off with the Roadeo and 28mm tires. That will lean you in more in the direction of performance at the expense of some versatility, but it will still be way more versatile than a MCRB. If you go with a Roadeo, I'd stay with brifters. Bar-cons really shine (for me at least) with loaded riding. I don't think downtube shifters are an option on the Roadeo (which seems to have cable stops), but I don't know that you were even considering those. FWIW, I'd love to see a Roadeo set up as more of a vintage racer with downtube shifters. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet
Thanks for the input. I totally agree with both of the Steves, that the gearing is baffling but that it's designed for racers. Still, I think most folks would be pleasantly surprised at how well a 46 suits their needs. My Hilsen has a triple that's like 46/36/26 and I love the 46 outer. There was talk a while back about VO doing a crank with something like 46/30 gearing. That would be good. I'm going to order up a 46 outer today. --mike On Sep 1, 11:05 am, Ryan Watson rswat...@nyx.net wrote: On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:50, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 10:17 -0700, Steve Park wrote: It baffles me that compact double cranksets usually come as 50/36 or maybe 48/34; maybe this is a limitation of typical 110BCD bolt diameter. 34T is the smallest you can get on the 110mm bolt circle. 33T actually. Not sure if anyone besides TA makes 'em, though. Ryan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?
- Rene Herse - Alex Singer - Jack Taylor Well, yeah, I'll concede those three ;) But the chances of finding a Herse or Singer on Craigslist or on eBay with a starting bid less than $1k are virtually nill. Jack Taylor does not have quite the cachet in the U.S. as its French counterparts (though indeed, it ought to), so you might get lucky. More once in a blue moon type of thing. There are any number of bike boom French mixtes, Japanese came at the tail end of the boom. Some good and some not so good. Schwinn made some nice middle weight mixtes. I would hesitate to recommend them here, as the proprietary sizing will make squeezing in Riv parts more of chore than with the French and Japanese. On Sep 1, 1:16 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:57 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:45 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Off hand, I cannot think of one brand better than another. OK, here are three: - Rene Herse - Alex Singer - Jack Taylor --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet
With the popularity of 29ers, were seeing a start of some 110/74 doubles. The are essentially a refined 110/74 triple just made so you cannot put an outer ring on them. It's just as easy to not put a outer ring on your triple and you at least have an option to go back. Here's some from Rotor yeah the colors are what they are . . .put you get the idea of what can be done. http://www.rotorbikeusa.com/productMtbCrank.html Sugino showed one too...a photo shown here ...http://velo- orange.blogspot.com/2009/03/taipei-cycle-show-update-3.html It looks to be outboard bearing though. . . . the latest in the whirly-go- round of engineers with too much time on their hands trying to reinvent bike parts. LoL! The TA Carmina is champ of all BCD's . . . yeah it's a bit pricey at 4 bills . . . but like many Euro things . . .the loss of the Dollar has made it tough. But, it's not all that out of line . . . as the Zephyr last sold with rings from Riv for $275 in 2002. Look at the price % increases of PW FW hubs . . . . it's been soaring and there's no exchange rate involved. It is what it is . . . .. 48 or 50 isn't just for racing . . . I use a 48x13 top gear and I'm and average cyclist who lives on very hilly terrain . . . so I use it frequently. A 46 ring should be no problem on the FSA crankset as long as your doing friction . . .it's when people do the indexing F/R that things can get hair-pullingly specific. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?
Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you considered Soma's Buena vista? A quick google search shows them between $375 and 475 for the Frameset. I don't have personal experience with them but it seems like a sweet frame and good bang for the buck. I am actually building up a Mixte for my wife right now from a older CroMo Schwinn that I actually found for free at the side of the road. After taking it all apart its going to need some lovin' but I can't argue with the price of the bike. In Seattle I frequently see Ladies 3 speeds for decent prices on Craigslist an older english ladies bike will be plenty strong (IMO) but not light. R On Sep 1, 12:41 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: - Rene Herse - Alex Singer - Jack Taylor Well, yeah, I'll concede those three ;) But the chances of finding a Herse or Singer on Craigslist or on eBay with a starting bid less than $1k are virtually nill. Jack Taylor does not have quite the cachet in the U.S. as its French counterparts (though indeed, it ought to), so you might get lucky. More once in a blue moon type of thing. There are any number of bike boom French mixtes, Japanese came at the tail end of the boom. Some good and some not so good. Schwinn made some nice middle weight mixtes. I would hesitate to recommend them here, as the proprietary sizing will make squeezing in Riv parts more of chore than with the French and Japanese. On Sep 1, 1:16 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:57 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:45 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Off hand, I cannot think of one brand better than another. OK, here are three: - Rene Herse - Alex Singer - Jack Taylor- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: New Pacenti 650b tire
For those still interested in bringing the Pacenti Pari-Moto 650x38B to fruition, Kirk posted the following on the 650B list today: Dear list members, I have decided that if we can hit 150 pairs of tires by the end of the week, I will pick up the slack and buy the rest of the tires myself for stock. We have sold 82 pairs of tires to date. That means we've essentially reached 55% of our goal. If we can just sell another 68 pairs, we'll be in business. See who's committed to the tire and the current sales stats here: http://tinyurl.com/mjmk99 Best regards, Kirk Pacenti Pacenti Cycle Design On Aug 5, 12:26 pm, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Folks - This is semi-RBW related in that there are a lot of us riding Rivendell 650b rigs. Kirk Pacenti has the plans laid for a cushy-n-fast performance tire that is 38mm, and the only way to make it happen is to pre-order the first batch. While pricey, I figure if the Pari-Moto is as good as the other Pacenti tire that Rivendell carries, they'll be fantastic. So, if you're looking for a nice 38mm 650b all-rounder tire, now's the time to put your money where your mouth is:http://xrl.us/be8k2m(Link towww.bikelugs.com) Note: I have no ties to Kirk. I just want to see available 650b options continue to grow, and a 38mm fast roadish tire would fill a current gap. Gino Chico, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet
A while back, I pondered the gearing question, especially the 50T big ring. I eventually switched over to a 46T to see how that went. I HATED it. I felt like I was always spinning it out, especially downhill, or with a nice tailwind, or while I was riding behind other riders at a high pace. I quickly put the 50T back on and rode it another month. After that I found that it was quite useful for my riding style. I like to have a top end that allows me to chase someone down, or pick up speed when needed going downhill, or when I want to make full use of a 30 mph tailwind. I can live with the fact that those gears may not get much use other that in those circumstances, but I come upon those circumstances more than you'd think. I also found that after keeping the 50T that I eventually got stronger and can spin in that ring more than I was able to before. Just my 2 pennies, Joe _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet
I use an XD double with 46/34 tooth rings and an old Sun Tour Cyclone front dérailleur (with a 107 mm BB) on my Ramb and it shifts very well. Art Lewy On Sep 1, 2009, at 8:23 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm currently running my Rambouillet with a double crankset (50/34) and an 8 speed cassette (11-28). I really have to admit that I just don't find pushing the 50 outer ring to be that enjoyable. I'm thinking of going to a 46. I'm using an FSA compact derailer. Will this combo work? Would I be better off going with a 48 outer chainring? My Hilsen has a 46 outer ring and I really like that. I guess I'm just curious if it'll shift okay. Right now I have DT shifters (Silver) and will probably go back to bar-end for the winter. Thanks, mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?
Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you considered Soma's Buena vista? Certainly good looking bike, and I really like the fork. For whatever reason, Soma went with the double skinny tube design with only a brace attaching to the seat tube. If the rider is not a tiny little thing or carries any sort of loads - and a mixte is meant to be an errand bike - the ride will be less than ideal. I have seen a lot of people on these bikes. But with all my 165 lbs to carry around, those I have ridden just did not feel right at all. Maybe I am fussy. On Sep 1, 3:29 pm, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you considered Soma's Buena vista? A quick google search shows them between $375 and 475 for the Frameset. I don't have personal experience with them but it seems like a sweet frame and good bang for the buck. I am actually building up a Mixte for my wife right now from a older CroMo Schwinn that I actually found for free at the side of the road. After taking it all apart its going to need some lovin' but I can't argue with the price of the bike. In Seattle I frequently see Ladies 3 speeds for decent prices on Craigslist an older english ladies bike will be plenty strong (IMO) but not light. R On Sep 1, 12:41 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: - Rene Herse - Alex Singer - Jack Taylor Well, yeah, I'll concede those three ;) But the chances of finding a Herse or Singer on Craigslist or on eBay with a starting bid less than $1k are virtually nill. Jack Taylor does not have quite the cachet in the U.S. as its French counterparts (though indeed, it ought to), so you might get lucky. More once in a blue moon type of thing. There are any number of bike boom French mixtes, Japanese came at the tail end of the boom. Some good and some not so good. Schwinn made some nice middle weight mixtes. I would hesitate to recommend them here, as the proprietary sizing will make squeezing in Riv parts more of chore than with the French and Japanese. On Sep 1, 1:16 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:57 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:45 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Off hand, I cannot think of one brand better than another. OK, here are three: - Rene Herse - Alex Singer - Jack Taylor- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Jack Browns fenders on a Romulus
700x28 Paselas and fenders are a tight fit on my sidepull Rom, so NO, I'm quite sure the JB's won't work with a fender. -Neil On Sep 1, 4:54 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Nope. I tried Grand Bois 30mm tires on a Rambouillet and they didn't work with fenders. Ryan On Sep 1, 12:56 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I use Jack Browns on a Rambouillet with sidepulls. I don't think fenders will work. I like the JB's so much on the bike that I just pray for no rain. -Original Message- From: nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 1, 2009 2:11 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Jack Browns fenders on a Romulus Has anyone been able to fit fenders and Jack Browns on a side-pull Romulus? If so, which fenders? It seems like it could be possible; the Romulus product flyer says it can fit 35s with fenders / 38s without but I'm not sure which manufacturer's 35s that was in reference to. :) -nathan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Jack Browns fenders on a Romulus
Nope. I tried Grand Bois 30mm tires on a Rambouillet and they didn't work with fenders. Ryan On Sep 1, 12:56 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I use Jack Browns on a Rambouillet with sidepulls. I don't think fenders will work. I like the JB's so much on the bike that I just pray for no rain. -Original Message- From: nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 1, 2009 2:11 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Jack Browns fenders on a Romulus Has anyone been able to fit fenders and Jack Browns on a side-pull Romulus? If so, which fenders? It seems like it could be possible; the Romulus product flyer says it can fit 35s with fenders / 38s without but I'm not sure which manufacturer's 35s that was in reference to. :) -nathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
The only piece I've seen missing from this great discussion is a consideration of Erik's height and weight. So, being a tall, 200 pounder with long legs, I'll weigh in. Short of going custom, it's pretty tough to find a tall-sized, appropriately built carbon bike - especially one that will allow wider tires for mixed riding and a more comfortable ride. Even Riv's new Roadeo will not be entirely appropriate for a rider of my size and weight for the kind of riding Erik is interested in. Although I weigh under the 250 pound limit for the Rodeo, according to Riv's sizing, the largest size (63cm) bike will be too small for me. I live in the mountains in AZ and my go fast bike is a 64cm, steel Soma Smoothie ES I built with a compact crank, light wheels, brifters and 28c tires. It does indeed roll faster than my Atlantis on my usual 50 mile training ride and I keep up just fine with normal humans on MCRB's. I do just fine on my Atlantis as well when I set it up with lighter wheels and smaller 33.3 Browns. Even on the Soma, I get dropped by guys who weigh 20 to 40 pounds less and who are just as fit as I am. I usually pass guys my size regardless of what kind of bike they are riding if I'm in better shape. I'm always really comfortable on my bikes because they fit and I can run wider tires appropriate for my weight and the rough roads we have here. My buddies on their carbon bikes are comfortable too, because their bikes fit them. Erik, as has been said before, fitness (and your pain tolerance, I might add) is the key to whether you can hang with other riders. FWIW, I rode a 25-mile mountain road ride today with 3 other fit cyclists, all smaller than me and all on geared carbon bikes. I was on my 64cm Quickbeam with 35c tires. They killed me on the downhills and were waiting for me at the turnaround point. Going back with a consistent climb and no long downhills, I had no problem leading the pack and I was first at the top of the pass. We weren't racing, but I certainly didn't hold anyone up, either. DC On Sep 1, 12:22 pm, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: Erik, I live in San Francisco Bay Area, and though it's not exactly Boulder, there's plenty of climbing here, too. I have a Hilsen as well as a MCRB. The Hilsen (with Jack Brown blues) outweighs the MCRB by a good 10 lbs, and on the same routes, I'd say that I'm about about 1 mph slower on the Hilsen. That's a so what difference when I'm on my own, esp. since I enjoy riding the Hilsen more than the MCRB on most days. If I were trying to keep up with a faster-riding group (whether they were on MCRB's, vintage Schwins, recumbents, or unicycles), I'd probably grab the MCRB first. But that's the only situation in which I'd reflexively grab the MCRB before the Hilsen. I use the Hilsen to fetch groceries and take-out food. I've taken the Hilsen on fire-roads and trails. I use it to get around the city. I've taken it on the train. You get the picture: super versatile. I use downtube shifters out of nostalgia more than anything else. My wife's Saluki has bar-cons, which are great. The MCRB has brifters. If you think that most of your riding will be unloaded, fast-ish club rides, then I think you might be better off with the Roadeo and 28mm tires. That will lean you in more in the direction of performance at the expense of some versatility, but it will still be way more versatile than a MCRB. If you go with a Roadeo, I'd stay with brifters. Bar-cons really shine (for me at least) with loaded riding. I don't think downtube shifters are an option on the Roadeo (which seems to have cable stops), but I don't know that you were even considering those. FWIW, I'd love to see a Roadeo set up as more of a vintage racer with downtube shifters. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] FS: Road SHOES: 08 Specialized BG Comp carbon size 43 @ 9
Couple years ago I broke a bone in my foot that caused some big pain when using my Sidi's. So I went out and picked up some Specialized Body Geometry shoes hoping the wider toe box would help out. That was a year ago, and I still cannot wear a road shoe for longer than 30 minutes without trouble. I have about 50-100 miles on these. They are the all black Comp model size 43. I wear a 9 street shoe. Composite sole with carbon inset. 3 hole cleat pattern. The soles have some scuffs, but nothing major. There are two threaded inserts for positioning the ratcheting buckle on each shoe. The top one on the right shoe is stripped. I moved the buckles to the lower holes when I bought them, and the original screw had been cross threaded. I couldnt return them as they were a closeout. Might be an issue if you have a really wide high instep. Or just get longer ratchet straps. Anyway. What say $80 paypalled and shipped. Sound Good? Drop me a line, I'll shoot whatever pics you need to your email. cheers, Brad hbcl...@yahoo.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet
You will be surpised at how little you need a 50, or even a 46. I am running two bikes with a 28/42 ultra compact double up front, with an 11-34 cassette in the back. While this combo may sound wierd, it gives a completely usable range of gears from 22 to 100 inches. The bikes in question are a Gunnar Cyclocross and a Pereira Custom, both built up in a manner fitting a good steel, Riv-ish bike. For cranks, on the Pereira I am using a WHite Industries two speed. On the Gunnar, a Campy Racing triple, with the outer ring discarded. The front derailleurs are garden variety double / compact cages. These bikes generally shift as well or better than my bikes that have 24-36-46 triples. My Legolas runs with a single 34 tooth chainring, and an 11-34 in the back, also quite serviceable. http://www.cyclofiend.com/cx/2009/cx049-maxie0309.html regards Two Ton Maxie On Sep 1, 12:35 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the input. I totally agree with both of the Steves, that the gearing is baffling but that it's designed for racers. Still, I think most folks would be pleasantly surprised at how well a 46 suits their needs. My Hilsen has a triple that's like 46/36/26 and I love the 46 outer. There was talk a while back about VO doing a crank with something like 46/30 gearing. That would be good. I'm going to order up a 46 outer today. --mike On Sep 1, 11:05 am, Ryan Watson rswat...@nyx.net wrote: On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:50, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 10:17 -0700, Steve Park wrote: It baffles me that compact double cranksets usually come as 50/36 or maybe 48/34; maybe this is a limitation of typical 110BCD bolt diameter. 34T is the smallest you can get on the 110mm bolt circle. 33T actually. Not sure if anyone besides TA makes 'em, though. Ryan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet
It's weird to feel that 50t is big considering for years I rode a bike with a double that was 53/39 but it just does. I'm not so concerned with chasing people down. Sure, I get a bit spun out on descents but I'm fine with that. I'm able to go more than fast enough. I just ordered a 46. Worse that happens is I don't like it and just save the 46t ring and maybe jump up to 48. I won't be going back to 50 though. Now if only I could get a 30t ring on the inside... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
Eric My 2 cents adjusted for inflation is about 2 pesos but... Based on your intent I want this bike to serve all of my needs and the fact that you are in the market for a lugged steel Frame not just a road bike I think the AHH is a great choice. It's at the top of my list of if I win the lottery I would buy bike X Since the lottery hasn't come in yet I went with a more affordable (for me) Steel steed and rivenated it. From Personal experience I spent about a decade on a very nice Alu/ Carbon Cannondale and played racer boy with my friends, mostly keeping up but never the king of the Mountains, And even on a Tarmac Pro I would get dropped, as has been said above its more about your motor than anything else and it takes time to build it up. Since switching to primarily riding Steel I -Smile more on rides -Stop and take pictures (never did that on the Cannondale) - Don't feel nearly so many bumps on the mean streets of West Seattle -Take along tasty snacks cause I have room for them now -thanks lil loafer! -Don't take nearly so long to get ready to ride (Wool, platform pedals, Tevas etc) -Walk into coffee shop without wondering does this lycra make my butt look big? -ride trails I would have not dreamed of taking my racer bike on and make new discoveries in my old stomping grounds all the time Get the Homer, enjoy the versatiltiy, the beauty the panache the ride. Your friends will drop you or not when you do the club rides and the other 80% of the time you will be doing things thier bikes simply cannot. Please share some pics of the new bike once you get it ;-) On Sep 1, 2:00 pm, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: The only piece I've seen missing from this great discussion is a consideration of Erik's height and weight. So, being a tall, 200 pounder with long legs, I'll weigh in. Short of going custom, it's pretty tough to find a tall-sized, appropriately built carbon bike - especially one that will allow wider tires for mixed riding and a more comfortable ride. Even Riv's new Roadeo will not be entirely appropriate for a rider of my size and weight for the kind of riding Erik is interested in. Although I weigh under the 250 pound limit for the Rodeo, according to Riv's sizing, the largest size (63cm) bike will be too small for me. I live in the mountains in AZ and my go fast bike is a 64cm, steel Soma Smoothie ES I built with a compact crank, light wheels, brifters and 28c tires. It does indeed roll faster than my Atlantis on my usual 50 mile training ride and I keep up just fine with normal humans on MCRB's. I do just fine on my Atlantis as well when I set it up with lighter wheels and smaller 33.3 Browns. Even on the Soma, I get dropped by guys who weigh 20 to 40 pounds less and who are just as fit as I am. I usually pass guys my size regardless of what kind of bike they are riding if I'm in better shape. I'm always really comfortable on my bikes because they fit and I can run wider tires appropriate for my weight and the rough roads we have here. My buddies on their carbon bikes are comfortable too, because their bikes fit them. Erik, as has been said before, fitness (and your pain tolerance, I might add) is the key to whether you can hang with other riders. FWIW, I rode a 25-mile mountain road ride today with 3 other fit cyclists, all smaller than me and all on geared carbon bikes. I was on my 64cm Quickbeam with 35c tires. They killed me on the downhills and were waiting for me at the turnaround point. Going back with a consistent climb and no long downhills, I had no problem leading the pack and I was first at the top of the pass. We weren't racing, but I certainly didn't hold anyone up, either. DC On Sep 1, 12:22 pm, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: Erik, I live in San Francisco Bay Area, and though it's not exactly Boulder, there's plenty of climbing here, too. I have a Hilsen as well as a MCRB. The Hilsen (with Jack Brown blues) outweighs the MCRB by a good 10 lbs, and on the same routes, I'd say that I'm about about 1 mph slower on the Hilsen. That's a so what difference when I'm on my own, esp. since I enjoy riding the Hilsen more than the MCRB on most days. If I were trying to keep up with a faster-riding group (whether they were on MCRB's, vintage Schwins, recumbents, or unicycles), I'd probably grab the MCRB first. But that's the only situation in which I'd reflexively grab the MCRB before the Hilsen. I use the Hilsen to fetch groceries and take-out food. I've taken the Hilsen on fire-roads and trails. I use it to get around the city. I've taken it on the train. You get the picture: super versatile. I use downtube shifters out of nostalgia more than anything else. My wife's Saluki has bar-cons, which are great. The MCRB has brifters. If you think that most of your riding will be unloaded, fast-ish club rides, then I think you might be better off with the Roadeo and 28mm tires. That
[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?
Another vote for the Schwinn idea -- I took this Craigslist special: 1981 Schwinn Le Tour Mixtehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577031655/ ...which had a nice Japanese lugged frame, but otherwise rusty and/or broken components, and turned it into this: Birthday Mixte http://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577051527/ ...for my daughter. I wouldn't call it Riv'd Up so much as Velo Oranged Up but I think the outcomes might be similar. The frame was stripped powder-coated locally, and my total cost was less than $400 plus some parts (saddle, pedals, brake levers) I had around the garage. I didn't want to spend a ton as she's gonna outgrow it in another year or two, but she loves the bike and gets more compliments on it than I do on my Atlantis. Good luck! On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:19 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you considered Soma's Buena vista? Certainly good looking bike, and I really like the fork. For whatever reason, Soma went with the double skinny tube design with only a brace attaching to the seat tube. If the rider is not a tiny little thing or carries any sort of loads - and a mixte is meant to be an errand bike - the ride will be less than ideal. I have seen a lot of people on these bikes. But with all my 165 lbs to carry around, those I have ridden just did not feel right at all. Maybe I am fussy. On Sep 1, 3:29 pm, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you considered Soma's Buena vista? A quick google search shows them between $375 and 475 for the Frameset. I don't have personal experience with them but it seems like a sweet frame and good bang for the buck. I am actually building up a Mixte for my wife right now from a older CroMo Schwinn that I actually found for free at the side of the road. After taking it all apart its going to need some lovin' but I can't argue with the price of the bike. In Seattle I frequently see Ladies 3 speeds for decent prices on Craigslist an older english ladies bike will be plenty strong (IMO) but not light. R On Sep 1, 12:41 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: - Rene Herse - Alex Singer - Jack Taylor Well, yeah, I'll concede those three ;) But the chances of finding a Herse or Singer on Craigslist or on eBay with a starting bid less than $1k are virtually nill. Jack Taylor does not have quite the cachet in the U.S. as its French counterparts (though indeed, it ought to), so you might get lucky. More once in a blue moon type of thing. There are any number of bike boom French mixtes, Japanese came at the tail end of the boom. Some good and some not so good. Schwinn made some nice middle weight mixtes. I would hesitate to recommend them here, as the proprietary sizing will make squeezing in Riv parts more of chore than with the French and Japanese. On Sep 1, 1:16 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:57 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:45 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Off hand, I cannot think of one brand better than another. OK, here are three: - Rene Herse - Alex Singer - Jack Taylor- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet
It seems a 94 BCD crank would serve many people better these days. Rings from 30t to 50t are available. Again . . .the surge of 29ers may make more available again. Sugino used to make 94/58 triples when they were in vogue. . . but like many manufacturers once Shimano ditched it. . .everyone else followed. Surly and TA offer a great choice with their changeable spiders. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
On Aug 31, 12:55 pm, Erik elang...@gmail.com wrote: My largest concern is this: most of my friends and neighbors go on 3 - 4 hour rides up into the mountains on their super-light carbon frames. If this is your largest concern, then an AHH is probably not right for you. Especially if you don't have another bike. No matter how great the AHH is, and regardless of whether you are strong enough to keep up with your friends, you will get the nagging feeling that your equipment is holding you back. It's just something that everyone goes through. You'll end up getting another bike. I love my Rivendells (a Rom and a QB), I think they're the bees knees. I take the Rom on club rides and centuries, where I end up being neither the fastest nor the slowest rider. But after years of group riding, including racing, I know that another bike won't make me the fastest or the slowest either. H. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Jack Browns fenders on a Romulus
Joining the chorus. I tried to get Jack's on my Romulus with SKS fenders, mucked with the brackets (Dremel, brute-force, etc.), failed, and put the RuffyTuffy's back on, which work great. On Sep 1, 2:29 pm, Neil neilvdo...@gmail.com wrote: 700x28 Paselas and fenders are a tight fit on my sidepull Rom, so NO, I'm quite sure the JB's won't work with a fender. -Neil On Sep 1, 4:54 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Nope. I tried Grand Bois 30mm tires on a Rambouillet and they didn't work with fenders. Ryan On Sep 1, 12:56 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I use Jack Browns on a Rambouillet with sidepulls. I don't think fenders will work. I like the JB's so much on the bike that I just pray for no rain. -Original Message- From: nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 1, 2009 2:11 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Jack Browns fenders on a Romulus Has anyone been able to fit fenders and Jack Browns on a side-pull Romulus? If so, which fenders? It seems like it could be possible; the Romulus product flyer says it can fit 35s with fenders / 38s without but I'm not sure which manufacturer's 35s that was in reference to. :) -nathan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?
There is a Velo Orange mixte in the works, looks like it has the twin- top tube, and I belive it's based on a pre-existing design. And there was a 52 Betty Foy demo on RBW going for $1400 complete (w/o saddle), as of yesterday. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?
1981 Schwinn Le Tour Mixtehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577031655/ ...which had a nice Japanese lugged frame, but otherwise rusty and/or broken components, and turned it into this: Thanks John. That really turned out well. When I warned against Schwinn earlier, I was thinking of the old Chicago cruiser models with the one piece crank, and old north american standard stem and seat post sizing. The Le Tour - I believe there was another as well, conform more readily to modern parts. And it has the nice center seat tube join design. I bet it rides pretty well. On Sep 1, 5:07 pm, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: Another vote for the Schwinn idea -- I took this Craigslist special: 1981 Schwinn Le Tour Mixtehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577031655/ ...which had a nice Japanese lugged frame, but otherwise rusty and/or broken components, and turned it into this: Birthday Mixte http://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577051527/ ...for my daughter. I wouldn't call it Riv'd Up so much as Velo Oranged Up but I think the outcomes might be similar. The frame was stripped powder-coated locally, and my total cost was less than $400 plus some parts (saddle, pedals, brake levers) I had around the garage. I didn't want to spend a ton as she's gonna outgrow it in another year or two, but she loves the bike and gets more compliments on it than I do on my Atlantis. Good luck! On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:19 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you considered Soma's Buena vista? Certainly good looking bike, and I really like the fork. For whatever reason, Soma went with the double skinny tube design with only a brace attaching to the seat tube. If the rider is not a tiny little thing or carries any sort of loads - and a mixte is meant to be an errand bike - the ride will be less than ideal. I have seen a lot of people on these bikes. But with all my 165 lbs to carry around, those I have ridden just did not feel right at all. Maybe I am fussy. On Sep 1, 3:29 pm, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you considered Soma's Buena vista? A quick google search shows them between $375 and 475 for the Frameset. I don't have personal experience with them but it seems like a sweet frame and good bang for the buck. I am actually building up a Mixte for my wife right now from a older CroMo Schwinn that I actually found for free at the side of the road. After taking it all apart its going to need some lovin' but I can't argue with the price of the bike. In Seattle I frequently see Ladies 3 speeds for decent prices on Craigslist an older english ladies bike will be plenty strong (IMO) but not light. R On Sep 1, 12:41 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: - Rene Herse - Alex Singer - Jack Taylor Well, yeah, I'll concede those three ;) But the chances of finding a Herse or Singer on Craigslist or on eBay with a starting bid less than $1k are virtually nill. Jack Taylor does not have quite the cachet in the U.S. as its French counterparts (though indeed, it ought to), so you might get lucky. More once in a blue moon type of thing. There are any number of bike boom French mixtes, Japanese came at the tail end of the boom. Some good and some not so good. Schwinn made some nice middle weight mixtes. I would hesitate to recommend them here, as the proprietary sizing will make squeezing in Riv parts more of chore than with the French and Japanese. On Sep 1, 1:16 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:57 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:45 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Off hand, I cannot think of one brand better than another. OK, here are three: - Rene Herse - Alex Singer - Jack Taylor- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cutting a Pletscher Kickstand?
I measured the fellow as Grant described above, no plate on the bleriot w/ a bit of bar tape in place, worked as described. I think there are some non-verbal instructions on the plastic wrapper. Used a dremel tool. My only bit of useful advice: if you too use a dremel tool or some other power tool, don't pick up the cut off bit, even though it comes off a cool shape and the cut side is shiny. That thing is hot. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?
I recently bought a Soma Buena Vista mixte frameset recently. And I am regretting it. I thought of building it up into a 650b bike but I abandoned the plan. The main problem was in fitting the rear wheel with col de la vie. The rear dropout was semi horizontal and the distance from the brake bridge [even at the shortest distance from the dropout] is way too long; that when I mounted the 650b wheel, the rim is almost out of reach of the Silver caliper brake with pads at the farthest end of the calipers. It could work but I considered it only not pretty but also dangerous. The axle of the rear wheel was almost at the 'entrance' or edge of the semi-horizontal dropout. And since the rear wheel is nearer to the chain stay bridge than from the brake bridge, it was harder to install the rear wheel even without a fender. And I planned to install a fender. So I thought of just building it up as the bike is intended to be. A 700c bike. And I was disappointed also. I bought a new 700c wheel set and a set of 700c x 32 folding paselas. I used the wide mouth tektro at the rear and a wide mouth shimano caliper brake at the front, thinking that with this combo, I can get the clearance I want short of using center pull brakes. It turns out that the clearance of the fork in combination with the brake caliper is not enough to install a fender if I use the 700c x 32 tires that I already bought. I could use a smaller 28mm tire or try a center pull brake but I was too disappointed by that time I just abandoned the idea of installing a set of fenders. After riding it for a while around the neighborhood, it is now installed as a stationary bike on a resistance trainer. Sure, I might ride it outside in the future. With 32mm tires, it is quite comfy. It's just that it is not the bike that I envisioned it to be. Rene -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JoelMatthews Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 2:19 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up? Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you considered Soma's Buena vista? Certainly good looking bike, and I really like the fork. For whatever reason, Soma went with the double skinny tube design with only a brace attaching to the seat tube. If the rider is not a tiny little thing or carries any sort of loads - and a mixte is meant to be an errand bike - the ride will be less than ideal. I have seen a lot of people on these bikes. But with all my 165 lbs to carry around, those I have ridden just did not feel right at all. Maybe I am fussy. On Sep 1, 3:29 pm, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you considered Soma's Buena vista? A quick google search shows them between $375 and 475 for the Frameset. I don't have personal experience with them but it seems like a sweet frame and good bang for the buck. I am actually building up a Mixte for my wife right now from a older CroMo Schwinn that I actually found for free at the side of the road. After taking it all apart its going to need some lovin' but I can't argue with the price of the bike. In Seattle I frequently see Ladies 3 speeds for decent prices on Craigslist an older english ladies bike will be plenty strong (IMO) but not light. R On Sep 1, 12:41 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: - Rene Herse - Alex Singer - Jack Taylor Well, yeah, I'll concede those three ;) But the chances of finding a Herse or Singer on Craigslist or on eBay with a starting bid less than $1k are virtually nill. Jack Taylor does not have quite the cachet in the U.S. as its French counterparts (though indeed, it ought to), so you might get lucky. More once in a blue moon type of thing. There are any number of bike boom French mixtes, Japanese came at the tail end of the boom. Some good and some not so good. Schwinn made some nice middle weight mixtes. I would hesitate to recommend them here, as the proprietary sizing will make squeezing in Riv parts more of chore than with the French and Japanese. On Sep 1, 1:16 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:57 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:45 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Off hand, I cannot think of one brand better than another. OK, here are three: - Rene Herse - Alex Singer - Jack Taylor- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at
[RBW] Betty Foy Build-up Now Complete
Now that the Betty Foy that we had deemed top secret is now complete, we thought we would share. Hopefully some of the photos, especially of the headbadge and decal, give a little more detail than what is available on the Rivendell site. http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/rb-gallery-1/ This bike is unique because of the cushy 650b Gran Bois tires and wide Honjo fenders. With the robin's egg blue and plenty of chrome, it reminds me of (and rides like) a 1950's Cadillac. Thankfully, it is much more nimble and environmentally friendly. Bryan On Aug 21, 1:16 pm, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: Hey All, We've had a few requests lately from customers to know what we have in the works. While we don't want to go down the shameless self- promotion path, I thought our latest Betty Foy build-up would be of interest to this group: http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/top-secret-gallery/ Obviously, there is more work to be done, like fenders and whatnot, but things are progressing pretty well. Thanks for letting us share, Bryan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
This is largely a repeat of what others have said, but I already typed it, so here you go. My largest concern is this: most of my friends and neighbors go on 3 - 4 hour rides up into the mountains on their super-light carbon frames. Is there a way for me to set up the AHH so that it is functional on mellow gravel roads, but also keeps up with my friends on the steep climbs? Short answer, as above, is: it depends on your friends. But the description sounds like they are dedicated race-enthusiasts. Most folks who have shelled out the money for the super-light carbon to ride 3 plus hours in the mountains have not let go of their race fantasies. This is no insult to your friends, bicycle racing is a really amazing thing that humans do, but it's a narrow activity by definition with pretty specific equipment. And it's no insult to the AHH (disclosure: my purchase of same is in the works). I fully subscribe to the arguments made here and elsewhere about the relatively narrow differences in personal time for fattier vs. skinnier tire front, or the fact that it's the engine, not the bike, or the relatively small percentage of weight the bike is when you add in the rider to the package. But fast cyclists go faster on those little carbon things. And the AHH, while as close to all- purpose as a bike can or should be, isn't really designed to chase the peloton. Haven't had the honor of being in the presence of the Roadeo, but if you intend to follow your friends on the weekends as a primary purpose, I'd definitely give it a look. You can still get tires on that thing that will be fine in the gravel. But your intrigue on the camping front/multi-day trip will probably remain intrigue on Roadeo and definitely would on a super-carbon bike. Personally, I'd rather be able to pack a lunch and hit the gravel whenever I felt like it, or put on a rack (which ain't happening with any of the super-light carbon bikes I've ridden). Boulder, I'd imagine, would be a nice place to do that. Rick (whose bleriot was dropped by the peloton on Thursday, but who had a nice spritely ride to the lake on Sunday.) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cutting a Pletscher Kickstand?
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:30 PM, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: I'm blown away by the number and quality of the responses. Thank you all so much. This really is a great community! Now possibly you will begin to appreciate the ineffable joy of taking hammers, hacksaws, Dremels and files to bike frames and parts. (I did that to a Rivendell. Cut off all of the braze ons and der hangar to make a fixie. What fun!) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cutting a Pletscher Kickstand?
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 16:48 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Now possibly you will begin to appreciate the ineffable joy of taking hammers, hacksaws, Dremels and files to bike frames and parts. (I did that to a Rivendell. Cut off all of the braze ons and der hangar to make a fixie. What fun!) Barbarian. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Jack Browns fenders on a Romulus
I managed to get Pasela 32mm tires on with an SKS P45. It was no problem at all. I also used Berthoud 40s with Ruffy Tuffys. On Sep 1, 1:54 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Nope. I tried Grand Bois 30mm tires on a Rambouillet and they didn't work with fenders. Ryan On Sep 1, 12:56 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I use Jack Browns on a Rambouillet with sidepulls. I don't think fenders will work. I like the JB's so much on the bike that I just pray for no rain. -Original Message- From: nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 1, 2009 2:11 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Jack Browns fenders on a Romulus Has anyone been able to fit fenders and Jack Browns on a side-pull Romulus? If so, which fenders? It seems like it could be possible; the Romulus product flyer says it can fit 35s with fenders / 38s without but I'm not sure which manufacturer's 35s that was in reference to. :) -nathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cutting a Pletscher Kickstand?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 23:19, 40_Acresmgla...@gmail.com wrote: I'm about to install a Pletscher single kickstand on my 57 AHH (with the kickstand plate), and it looks a bit long to me. Has anyone had to cut one of these stands down to size? If so, how much did you cut? Thanks in advance! Advice for any kickstand user, especially if you have accidentally cut your kickstand too short - get a Greenfield rubber kickstand foot. It effectively makes your kickstand a little longer. Consider ordering a few extras, because they allegedly wear out, although mine haven't yet (on a two-legged Pletscher stand). James Black Los Angeles, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] In Praise of my Canti-Rom
I just completeted ACA route Seattle to Montara, Cal on my Rom with Campee racks front and rear and Hobo bag, fully loaded with camping gear etc., about 1100 miles. Used 32 tires with SKS fenders. The Rom is an amazing Bike. In 2007, I completed the 3100-mile ACA Southern Tier with the same setup. It just keeps rolling along and after removing the touring gear it springs to life. From Smyrna, Ga. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet
I use 46/30 on the bikes I ride the most and it's the bees knees! Two cranks with 50.4 bcd and one 94 bcd, with 12-28 8sp cassettes. I use the entire range and have never wished for a lower gear (at least on the road) and only rarely wish for higher. Ryan On Sep 1, 2009, at 13:35, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the input. I totally agree with both of the Steves, that the gearing is baffling but that it's designed for racers. Still, I think most folks would be pleasantly surprised at how well a 46 suits their needs. My Hilsen has a triple that's like 46/36/26 and I love the 46 outer. There was talk a while back about VO doing a crank with something like 46/30 gearing. That would be good. I'm going to order up a 46 outer today. --mike On Sep 1, 11:05 am, Ryan Watson rswat...@nyx.net wrote: On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:50, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 10:17 -0700, Steve Park wrote: It baffles me that compact double cranksets usually come as 50/36 or maybe 48/34; maybe this is a limitation of typical 110BCD bolt diameter. 34T is the smallest you can get on the 110mm bolt circle. 33T actually. Not sure if anyone besides TA makes 'em, though. Ryan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Just a bike fantasy
Hi Christopher, Another plug here for Habanero. You can get custom geometry and Mark Hickey, the owner, is great to work with. I love my Habanero cyclocross commuter. Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet
Back in the day our standard setup was 52/50 unless we were going north to the hills when we went 52/48 or 46. Real men (not me) sprung for the 55 big one. GeorgeS On Sep 1, 4:51 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: It's weird to feel that 50t is big considering for years I rode a bike with a double that was 53/39 but it just does. I'm not so concerned with chasing people down. Sure, I get a bit spun out on descents but I'm fine with that. I'm able to go more than fast enough. I just ordered a 46. Worse that happens is I don't like it and just save the 46t ring and maybe jump up to 48. I won't be going back to 50 though. Now if only I could get a 30t ring on the inside... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Outer ring on Rambouillet
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:33 PM, GeorgeSchobur...@gmail.com wrote: Back in the day our standard setup was 52/50 unless we were going north to the hills when we went 52/48 or 46. Real men (not me) sprung for the 55 big one. GeorgeS Yeah, but your small cog was 13 at best, giving you a 108-inch big gear in the 52/13 -- still lower than what you'd get with a 50/12, which is about 112; or 118 in a 48/11. Horace. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo names, alternatives
On Aug 31, 7:51 am, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think I'd ever exclude a bike from consideration on account of what it's called (within reason of course... at one point I half expected Ibis to introduce the FAW-Q or something). Shaun Meehan Along that line, I still believe the worst name in cycling is Alpha- Q. Even worse than the faux-Finnish Hakkalugi. Bill --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Early Rivendell Crown Race size?
So I just obtained a mid-90's Riv Road Standard. Beautiful frame, W- ford built (I think). I'm pretty excited about it. I went to pound a Campy Record 26.4 crown race on and it just wouldn't fit. I gave up, perplexed that the frame was built for 27.0. No big deal, but were these frames ever built for the JIS 27.0 race? Am I missing something? Riv doesn't even sell a 27.0 race headset on their site, so I'm a bit miffed, and I know 27.0 is the least common. I just want to get some aknowledgement that I'm not a total moron-mechanic before I order up a Tange Levin CDS. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo names, alternatives
Hah! Hakkalugi was my favorite name. Any bike promoting a Toe Jam and a Hand Job has to be a winner! Built out of Moron tubing! Wasn't it painted some sort of a nasty green as well? DE On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: On Aug 31, 7:51 am, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think I'd ever exclude a bike from consideration on account of what it's called (within reason of course... at one point I half expected Ibis to introduce the FAW-Q or something). Shaun Meehan Along that line, I still believe the worst name in cycling is Alpha- Q. Even worse than the faux-Finnish Hakkalugi. Bill -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Build-up Now Complete
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[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?
It rides very well -- with the sprung saddle she get's a very smooth ride, even on rough city streets. Yes, the Le Tour series are quite nice, and this one was (from what I could glean online) made by Panasonic. There are still lots of them out there in garages and they pop up on Craigslist pretty frequently. They are a step up from the World Tourist (made by Giant in Taiwan, I believe), and certainly lighter than the old Varsity bike, which may have still been cranked out in Chicago back then. Was that the one you were thinking of? The original catalog page for the Le Tour Touriste can be seen here.http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1980_1990/1981_10.html The Mixte isn't prominent, but the lower left photo shows one. My only regret is that she will be too tall for it in another year or two and will need something else. And even though it will fit my son by then, he probably won't want what he calls a girls bike. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:28 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: 1981 Schwinn Le Tour Mixte http://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577031655/ ...which had a nice Japanese lugged frame, but otherwise rusty and/or broken components, and turned it into this: Thanks John. That really turned out well. When I warned against Schwinn earlier, I was thinking of the old Chicago cruiser models with the one piece crank, and old north american standard stem and seat post sizing. The Le Tour - I believe there was another as well, conform more readily to modern parts. And it has the nice center seat tube join design. I bet it rides pretty well. On Sep 1, 5:07 pm, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: Another vote for the Schwinn idea -- I took this Craigslist special: 1981 Schwinn Le Tour Mixte http://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577031655/ ...which had a nice Japanese lugged frame, but otherwise rusty and/or broken components, and turned it into this: Birthday Mixte http://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577051527/ ...for my daughter. I wouldn't call it Riv'd Up so much as Velo Oranged Up but I think the outcomes might be similar. The frame was stripped powder-coated locally, and my total cost was less than $400 plus some parts (saddle, pedals, brake levers) I had around the garage. I didn't want to spend a ton as she's gonna outgrow it in another year or two, but she loves the bike and gets more compliments on it than I do on my Atlantis. Good luck! On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:19 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you considered Soma's Buena vista? Certainly good looking bike, and I really like the fork. For whatever reason, Soma went with the double skinny tube design with only a brace attaching to the seat tube. If the rider is not a tiny little thing or carries any sort of loads - and a mixte is meant to be an errand bike - the ride will be less than ideal. I have seen a lot of people on these bikes. But with all my 165 lbs to carry around, those I have ridden just did not feel right at all. Maybe I am fussy. On Sep 1, 3:29 pm, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you considered Soma's Buena vista? A quick google search shows them between $375 and 475 for the Frameset. I don't have personal experience with them but it seems like a sweet frame and good bang for the buck. I am actually building up a Mixte for my wife right now from a older CroMo Schwinn that I actually found for free at the side of the road. After taking it all apart its going to need some lovin' but I can't argue with the price of the bike. In Seattle I frequently see Ladies 3 speeds for decent prices on Craigslist an older english ladies bike will be plenty strong (IMO) but not light. R On Sep 1, 12:41 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: - Rene Herse - Alex Singer - Jack Taylor Well, yeah, I'll concede those three ;) But the chances of finding a Herse or Singer on Craigslist or on eBay with a starting bid less than $1k are virtually nill. Jack Taylor does not have quite the cachet in the U.S. as its French counterparts (though indeed, it ought to), so you might get lucky. More once in a blue moon type of thing. There are any number of bike boom French mixtes, Japanese came at the tail end of the boom. Some good and some not so good. Schwinn made some nice middle weight mixtes. I would hesitate to recommend them here, as the proprietary sizing will make squeezing in Riv parts more of chore than with the French and Japanese. On Sep 1, 1:16 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:57 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:45 AM,
[RBW] road-ish bike for my brother
My brother is bikeless at the moment and he is looking to change that situation. He just sold his mountain and road bikes prior to a big house move to avoid having to move a bunch of stuff. His tastes lean toward Ti but I'm trying to convince him to try out something a bit different. I'm curious if anyone has a 57cm romulus that's in reasonable condition they might be looking to part with. I'm not sure it's what he wants but I thought I'd put a feeler out there to see what (if anything) is available. Thanks, -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:35 PM, John Aydelottej.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: It rides very well -- with the sprung saddle she get's a very smooth ride, even on rough city streets. Yes, the Le Tour series are quite nice, and this one was (from what I could glean online) made by Panasonic. There are still lots of them out there in garages and they pop up on Craigslist pretty frequently. They are a step up from the World Tourist (made by Giant in Taiwan, I believe), and certainly lighter than the old Varsity bike, which may have still been cranked out in Chicago back then. Was that the one you were thinking of? the le tour II and III mixtes had weird stem sizes so you can't use most normal stems but a few places still carry the odd sized ones. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: road-ish bike for my brother
You are a good brother, Seth. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: My brother is bikeless at the moment and he is looking to change that situation. He just sold his mountain and road bikes prior to a big house move to avoid having to move a bunch of stuff. His tastes lean toward Ti but I'm trying to convince him to try out something a bit different. I'm curious if anyone has a 57cm romulus that's in reasonable condition they might be looking to part with. I'm not sure it's what he wants but I thought I'd put a feeler out there to see what (if anything) is available. Thanks, -sv -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?
Nice! Certainly a bit more Rivish than mine. Where's the basket from? On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Ryan Watson rswat...@nyx.net wrote: I spruced up this nice little Miyata: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556...@n06/541257963 http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556...@n06/541257963 On Sep 1, 2009, at 20:35, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: It rides very well -- with the sprung saddle she get's a very smooth ride, even on rough city streets. Yes, the Le Tour series are quite nice, and this one was (from what I could glean online) made by Panasonic. There are still lots of them out there in garages and they pop up on Craigslist pretty frequently. They are a step up from the World Tourist (made by Giant in Taiwan, I believe), and certainly lighter than the old Varsity bike, which may have still been cranked out in Chicago back then. Was that the one you were thinking of? The original catalog page for the Le Tour Touriste can be seen here.http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1980_1990/1981_10.html The Mixte isn't prominent, but the lower left photo shows one. My only regret is that she will be too tall for it in another year or two and will need something else. And even though it will fit my son by then, he probably won't want what he calls a girls bike. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:28 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: 1981 Schwinn Le Tour Mixtehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577031655/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577031655/ ...which had a nice Japanese lugged frame, but otherwise rusty and/or broken components, and turned it into this: Thanks John. That really turned out well. When I warned against Schwinn earlier, I was thinking of the old Chicago cruiser models with the one piece crank, and old north american standard stem and seat post sizing. The Le Tour - I believe there was another as well, conform more readily to modern parts. And it has the nice center seat tube join design. I bet it rides pretty well. On Sep 1, 5:07 pm, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: Another vote for the Schwinn idea -- I took this Craigslist special: 1981 Schwinn Le Tour Mixtehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577031655/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577031655/ ...which had a nice Japanese lugged frame, but otherwise rusty and/or broken components, and turned it into this: Birthday Mixte http://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577051527/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577051527/ ...for my daughter. I wouldn't call it Riv'd Up so much as Velo Oranged Up but I think the outcomes might be similar. The frame was stripped powder-coated locally, and my total cost was less than $400 plus some parts (saddle, pedals, brake levers) I had around the garage. I didn't want to spend a ton as she's gonna outgrow it in another year or two, but she loves the bike and gets more compliments on it than I do on my Atlantis. Good luck! On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:19 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you considered Soma's Buena vista? Certainly good looking bike, and I really like the fork. For whatever reason, Soma went with the double skinny tube design with only a brace attaching to the seat tube. If the rider is not a tiny little thing or carries any sort of loads - and a mixte is meant to be an errand bike - the ride will be less than ideal. I have seen a lot of people on these bikes. But with all my 165 lbs to carry around, those I have ridden just did not feel right at all. Maybe I am fussy. On Sep 1, 3:29 pm, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you considered Soma's Buena vista? A quick google search shows them between $375 and 475 for the Frameset. I don't have personal experience with them but it seems like a sweet frame and good bang for the buck. I am actually building up a Mixte for my wife right now from a older CroMo Schwinn that I actually found for free at the side of the road. After taking it all apart its going to need some lovin' but I can't argue with the price of the bike. In Seattle I frequently see Ladies 3 speeds for decent prices on Craigslist an older english ladies bike will be plenty strong (IMO) but not light. R On Sep 1, 12:41 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: - Rene Herse - Alex Singer - Jack Taylor Well, yeah, I'll concede those three ;) But the chances of finding a Herse or Singer on Craigslist or on eBay with a starting bid less than $1k are virtually nill. Jack Taylor does not have quite the cachet in the U.S. as its French counterparts (though indeed, it ought to), so you might get lucky. More once
[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames to Riv-up?
I got the basket from Jitensha studio. It's quite nice. Ryan On Sep 1, 2009, at 20:47, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: Nice! Certainly a bit more Rivish than mine. Where's the basket from? On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Ryan Watson rswat...@nyx.net wrote: I spruced up this nice little Miyata: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556...@n06/541257963 On Sep 1, 2009, at 20:35, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: It rides very well -- with the sprung saddle she get's a very smooth ride, even on rough city streets. Yes, the Le Tour series are quite nice, and this one was (from what I could glean online) made by Panasonic. There are still lots of them out there in garages and they pop up on Craigslist pretty frequently. They are a step up from the World Tourist (made by Giant in Taiwan, I believe), and certainly lighter than the old Varsity bike, which may have still been cranked out in Chicago back then. Was that the one you were thinking of? The original catalog page for the Le Tour Touriste can be seen here. The Mixte isn't prominent, but the lower left photo shows one. My only regret is that she will be too tall for it in another year or two and will need something else. And even though it will fit my son by then, he probably won't want what he calls a girls bike. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:28 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: 1981 Schwinn Le Tour Mixtehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577031655/ ...which had a nice Japanese lugged frame, but otherwise rusty and/or broken components, and turned it into this: Thanks John. That really turned out well. When I warned against Schwinn earlier, I was thinking of the old Chicago cruiser models with the one piece crank, and old north american standard stem and seat post sizing. The Le Tour - I believe there was another as well, conform more readily to modern parts. And it has the nice center seat tube join design. I bet it rides pretty well. On Sep 1, 5:07 pm, John Aydelotte j.m.aydelo...@gmail.com wrote: Another vote for the Schwinn idea -- I took this Craigslist special: 1981 Schwinn Le Tour Mixtehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577031655/ ...which had a nice Japanese lugged frame, but otherwise rusty and/or broken components, and turned it into this: Birthday Mixte http://www.flickr.com/photos/aydelotte/2577051527/ ...for my daughter. I wouldn't call it Riv'd Up so much as Velo Oranged Up but I think the outcomes might be similar. The frame was stripped powder-coated locally, and my total cost was less than $400 plus some parts (saddle, pedals, brake levers) I had around the garage. I didn't want to spend a ton as she's gonna outgrow it in another year or two, but she loves the bike and gets more compliments on it than I do on my Atlantis. Good luck! On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:19 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you considered Soma's Buena vista? Certainly good looking bike, and I really like the fork. For whatever reason, Soma went with the double skinny tube design with only a brace attaching to the seat tube. If the rider is not a tiny little thing or carries any sort of loads - and a mixte is meant to be an errand bike - the ride will be less than ideal. I have seen a lot of people on these bikes. But with all my 165 lbs to carry around, those I have ridden just did not feel right at all. Maybe I am fussy. On Sep 1, 3:29 pm, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: Its a middle ground between a Betty and a Beater but have you considered Soma's Buena vista? A quick google search shows them between $375 and 475 for the Frameset. I don't have personal experience with them but it seems like a sweet frame and good bang for the buck. I am actually building up a Mixte for my wife right now from a older CroMo Schwinn that I actually found for free at the side of the road. After taking it all apart its going to need some lovin' but I can't argue with the price of the bike. In Seattle I frequently see Ladies 3 speeds for decent prices on Craigslist an older english ladies bike will be plenty strong (IMO) but not light. R On Sep 1, 12:41 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: - Rene Herse - Alex Singer - Jack Taylor Well, yeah, I'll concede those three ;) But the chances of finding a Herse or Singer on Craigslist or on eBay with a starting bid less than $1k are virtually nill. Jack Taylor does not have quite the cachet in the U.S. as its French counterparts (though indeed, it ought to), so you might get lucky. More once in a blue moon type of thing. There
[RBW] Re: Emailing: kesling bicycles 2005 008.jpg, kesling bicycles 2005 009.jpg
Those are BEAUTIFUL bikes. I can see right away where GP would want you on a larger bike to get the bars up higher. The mixte looks perfect by Rivendell or anyone's standards! Thanks for sharing! DE On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Steve Kesling akesl...@pacific.net wrote: With all the talk about the mixte frames I thought I would post a couple pictures of what Dave Moulton built for my wife and I in I believe 1980-81. We have lots of miles on these bikes over the years and have thought about selling them. I think they are the kind that can't really be replaced. Mr. Moulton is now an author. His website is really interesting as older bike riders send him pictures of past bikes that he built over the years. At one time he built bikes for Masi. I hope you like them. Both were cmpletely custom built. It is curious that Grant also designed and specd out a Rivendell for me and the size differences are great. Grant put me on a bigger bike, no surprise there. Enjoy, Steve The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: kesling bicycles 2005 008.jpg kesling bicycles 2005 009.jpg Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: In Praise of my Canti-Rom
Pix? I rode my canti-rom down the Oregon coast three years ago. I pulled a BOB trailer behind it. Great bike, great state, life is good… --- On Tue, 9/1/09, roadrunner irvh...@aol.com wrote: From: roadrunner irvh...@aol.com Subject: [RBW] In Praise of my Canti-Rom To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:16 PM I just completeted ACA route Seattle to Montara, Cal on my Rom with Campee racks front and rear and Hobo bag, fully loaded with camping gear etc., about 1100 miles. Used 32 tires with SKS fenders. The Rom is an amazing Bike. In 2007, I completed the 3100-mile ACA Southern Tier with the same setup. It just keeps rolling along and after removing the touring gear it springs to life. From Smyrna, Ga. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Emailing: kesling bicycles 2005 003.jpg
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Steve Keslingakesl...@pacific.net wrote: This is what my wife rides now, I believe it's the first Glorius after the prototype, Great paint job witha couple extras to make the bike popular if that makes sense. steve The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: This is just gorgeous. Is the upcharge on repainting a betty foy $200? I wonder how well it works out with a technomic stem and drops. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Emailing: kesling bicycles 2005 003.jpg
Love that G. with the drop bars! My S.O. has a G. w/ Albatross bars: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/333596692/in/set-72157594443171032/ Still wish I could easily convert it to an IGH drivetrain, as it just calls for it... DE On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Steve Kesling akesl...@pacific.net wrote: This is what my wife rides now, I believe it's the first Glorius after the prototype, Great paint job witha couple extras to make the bike popular if that makes sense. steve The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: kesling bicycles 2005 003.jpg Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Emailing: kesling bicycles 2005 003.jpg
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:37 PM, David Estescyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Love that G. with the drop bars! My S.O. has a G. w/ Albatross bars: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/333596692/in/set-72157594443171032/ Still wish I could easily convert it to an IGH drivetrain, as it just calls for it... The betty foy and the glorious need a slightly better way to mount a sensible chain guard, too. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Emailing: kesling bicycles 2005 003.jpg
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:37 PM, David Estescyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Love that G. with the drop bars! My S.O. has a G. w/ Albatross bars: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/333596692/in/set-72157594443171032/ Still wish I could easily convert it to an IGH drivetrain, as it just calls for it... The betty foy and the glorious need a slightly better way to mount a sensible chain guard, too. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Is there such a thing anymore as a sensible chainguard? -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Emailing: kesling bicycles 2005 003.jpg
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:48 PM, David Estescyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Is there such a thing anymore as a sensible chainguard? Check out the breezer chainguards. Full coverage, black plastic. Don't get brittle or stupid in the cold and they keep the crap off your pants. The built in chainguard braze ons is the one reason why I keep looking at the VO city bike (the polyvalent). I have a salsa crossing guard where the big ring would go on my atlantis (thanks to jim thill) so I never have to screw around with my pants legs. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Emailing: kesling bicycles 2005 003.jpg
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:48 PM, David Estescyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Is there such a thing anymore as a sensible chainguard? Check out the breezer chainguards. Full coverage, black plastic. Don't get brittle or stupid in the cold and they keep the crap off your pants. The built in chainguard braze ons is the one reason why I keep looking at the VO city bike (the polyvalent). I have a salsa crossing guard where the big ring would go on my atlantis (thanks to jim thill) so I never have to screw around with my pants legs. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ I checked out their site (Breezer), and they don't list it for sale. Right now moot point as it has derailers. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Used Ruffy Tuffies -- free
Shipping is $9 for a flat rate Priority box. Lots of tread life if you don't mind the cracks. They're the much cracked tread that I mentioned here earlier: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3871895034/ I just put on a set of GB Cypres and am hoping for the best with them. If they puncture too much, I guess it's back to Paselas for me. First ride around the block they felt ultra-plush. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Used Ruffy Tuffies -- free
I'll take 'em! More in a sec =- Joe Walnut Creek, CA On 9/1/09, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Shipping is $9 for a flat rate Priority box. Lots of tread life if you don't mind the cracks. They're the much cracked tread that I mentioned here earlier: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3871895034/ I just put on a set of GB Cypres and am hoping for the best with them. If they puncture too much, I guess it's back to Paselas for me. First ride around the block they felt ultra-plush. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Emailing: kesling bicycles 2005 008.jpg, kesling bicycles 2005 009.jpg
Steve, those bikes are absolutely stunning. Heirloom quality. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Dirt Mulholland Ride 9/6
A reminder good velo-people that the Rivendell Bicycle Appreciation Society (Southern California Chapter) will be out and about on this upcoming Sunday. This is pending clear air as things are currently kind of icky in the basin. You can read more on the route and other pertinent info here: * http://tinyurl.com/SeptRide* A lot of folks seem like they'll be able to make this one, so if you're in the area, no excuses! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Used Ruffy Tuffies -- free
He's taken them! On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote: I'll take 'em! More in a sec =- Joe Walnut Creek, CA On 9/1/09, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Shipping is $9 for a flat rate Priority box. Lots of tread life if you don't mind the cracks. They're the much cracked tread that I mentioned here earlier: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3871895034/ I just put on a set of GB Cypres and am hoping for the best with them. If they puncture too much, I guess it's back to Paselas for me. First ride around the block they felt ultra-plush. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Mangini Ranch open to bikers?
I just picked up a map made by Save Mount Diablo (http:// www.savemountdiablo.org/DiabloTrailMAPHomepage.htm) and noticed that it was published back in 2007. In it, the greyed out trails going through Mangini Ranch say No public access and the only thing I can find on the internet is that back in 2007-2008 it was accessible only via tour. The only newer information I saw was that the East Bay Trail Dogs did some trail maintenance back on May 9, 2009. Anyone know if it is open to bikers? I am looking to take BART to Concord (from Oakland) and ride through Lime Ridge, then Mangini Ranch and into the trails on Diablo. I also noticed that these grey dashed lines are listed as Unpaved road Private that would let me connect this all together. Not sure if these are now open or not. I just did a little more research and found out on OpenStreetMap that the trails are listed but mostly un-named: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.91452lon=-121.97493zoom=15layers=B000FTF It seems as though as long as it is legal, I shouldn't have a problem riding mostly dirt from Concord into Diablo. Discuss please. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
Everyone, First, allow me to thank all of you for the incredibly thorough and well-conceived responses and opinions. This was my first time posting in this forum, and I truly am impressed with the collective knowledge/ passion of this group. For what it is worth, I'm 34 years old, 5'10, and weigh around 155. After I wrote my post, I received an email recommending that I check out Boulder Bicycles Randonneur Brevet model, which, like the AHH, is built by Waterford, but intended to be a bit lighter and lively. And from what I can tell, this model takes 32mm tires with fenders -- so I can't go with super fat tires with this bike like the AHH, but I imagine that 32 is sufficiently large. Coincidentally, Boulder Bikes is about a ten minute walk from my house, and until I received this email, I had no idea they existed. So I'm going over there tomorrow to check things out. No lugs -- but I'm excited that they are local, which will likely make the build up and the on-going service a nicer experience. I'll let you know how it goes, and whether I go with the AHH, Roadio, or the Boulder Bicycles Brevet. If any of you have thoughts/knowledge of this bike or BB's reputation, any tips would be appreciated. Thanks again! Erik On Sep 1, 4:18 pm, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote: This is largely a repeat of what others have said, but I already typed it, so here you go. My largest concern is this: most of my friends and neighbors go on 3 - 4 hour rides up into the mountains on their super-light carbon frames. Is there a way for me to set up the AHH so that it is functional on mellow gravel roads, but also keeps up with my friends on the steep climbs? Short answer, as above, is: it depends on your friends. But the description sounds like they are dedicated race-enthusiasts. Most folks who have shelled out the money for the super-light carbon to ride 3 plus hours in the mountains have not let go of their race fantasies. This is no insult to your friends, bicycle racing is a really amazing thing that humans do, but it's a narrow activity by definition with pretty specific equipment. And it's no insult to the AHH (disclosure: my purchase of same is in the works). I fully subscribe to the arguments made here and elsewhere about the relatively narrow differences in personal time for fattier vs. skinnier tire front, or the fact that it's the engine, not the bike, or the relatively small percentage of weight the bike is when you add in the rider to the package. But fast cyclists go faster on those little carbon things. And the AHH, while as close to all- purpose as a bike can or should be, isn't really designed to chase the peloton. Haven't had the honor of being in the presence of the Roadeo, but if you intend to follow your friends on the weekends as a primary purpose, I'd definitely give it a look. You can still get tires on that thing that will be fine in the gravel. But your intrigue on the camping front/multi-day trip will probably remain intrigue on Roadeo and definitely would on a super-carbon bike. Personally, I'd rather be able to pack a lunch and hit the gravel whenever I felt like it, or put on a rack (which ain't happening with any of the super-light carbon bikes I've ridden). Boulder, I'd imagine, would be a nice place to do that. Rick (whose bleriot was dropped by the peloton on Thursday, but who had a nice spritely ride to the lake on Sunday.) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
