[RBW] Re: Pletscher Rear Rack
I have one with which I would be glad to part. It is gold and will mount on the rear only. It is NOS, though I did drill a few holes in the metal mounting straps. A few nuts and bolts from the hardware store should be all you need. I'd sell it cheap or, preferably, trade it for some other simple items anyone has laying around. -Eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed
Double top tubes seem fairly common here in Singapore. I've see quite a few. Many are old and made by Raleigh. They all seem to have seen years of use. People just ride them to get where they are going. Rivendell may have a more world view of bikes. I like the way they look and seem to take a beating. Here is a link to some of the more colorful ones. Note the diagonal second top tube: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/sets/72157623997048470/ Who knows, maybe there is a bright yellow Hillborne in my future. :) -Ray On May 3, 9:17 pm, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote: I once thought Rivendell bikes were ugly and look at me now... like we say in Venezuela... ¡Nunca digas que de esta agua no beberé! And I, like usual, find myself thinking the opposite...saying that without knowing spanish, but longing for the pre-double-toptube days. No disrespect intended, Rob Markwardt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pletscher Rear Rack
Yeah I think I am going to bypass this one but I do like the design and the Pletscher trap. Tubus sells an optional trap for their racks. Same concept, infinitely more robust. I have one on my commuter. Comes in handy all the time. On Apr 25, 9:31 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: Yeah I think I am going to bypass this one but I do like the design and the Pletscher trap. On Apr 25, 10:15 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote: It doesn't sound like that rack is very versatile: -- If you have long forks (longer than regular road forks, about like the Hilsen or Hillborn), the struts won't reach, so you have to clamp them on, as shown in one of the photos. -- Hence, the low price. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed
snip It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach. Agreed. If you've got the long arms, then a slightly shorter stem (Nitto Dirt Drop) and drop bars could work. I've got the short arms, so I've completely given up on drop bars. In fact, I've given up on Moustache bars, as well. My latest bike has an upside down and cut Albatross, setup in Moustache fashion. This gave me Moustache functionality and effectively reduced the reach by 4cm which allowed me to run a frame with a slightly longer top tube. That's the best I could do. My Hunqapillar, should I take the plunge, would require a Bull Moose or a right-side up Albatross. Drops are out of the question. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed
Riv frames have in the past typically had shorter TT's. I've read many complaints about this. It's good they've made some longer ones now. They have sufficient variety in frames to fit about anyone. Longer TT's are perfect for using Albatross bars and such. To me a bike is better balanced with a longer TT than the traditional short ones on most stock frames, especially vintage ones who always has too short of TT's for my liking. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Wheel for the Hillborne
I use Roger Musson: The Professional Guide to Wheel Building: http://www.wheelpro.co.uk/wheelbuilding/book.php I have built one rear wheel, which still works fine after around 2400 km. And a few other wheels for my next bike I look forward to test when I decide on a frame ;-) The book is really, really well written, makes the reader feel it it a easy task to make a wheel, if you follow the steps carefully and don't try to make your own smart shortcuts. Cheap, around $15, but you have to print it yourself, or read it at the screen. A lot af good reveiws here: http://www.mtbr.com/cat/resources/book/roger-musson/wheel-building/PRD_417244_103crx.aspx -Teit On 3 Maj, 22:06, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote: Is Jobst's book still the de facto resource for learning the craft of wheelbuilding? Any other suggested resources? I think I'll make building a lighter set of wheels for my RB-1 as a summer project. :) -nathan On May 3, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Good on ya. Building a wheel/wheels/wheelset is one of those things where you -really- connect with 'History' I think. Once I learned how, there is/was no going back. It's fun. Congrats on your Phil too! -Scott On May 3, 3:30 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Finally got around to doing a couple of things - getting a Phil Wood hub and building my own wheel. Jim Thill at Hiawatha spent a good chunk of an evening trying to drill into my thick skull how to properly build a wheel. Might have been slightly less dim than most days, as the instruction took, and now have a Phil freewheel hub laced to a Salsa Delgado rim. Even more amazingly the wheel has stayed good for about 60 miles of riding over the weekend. Including a curb bash taken at a lot higher speed than planned. About a week earlier, swapped the crankset out for a Sugino XD found secondhand. More than a bit scuffed up, but that crank just looks so right on this bike. One last observation - the Silver shifters do seem to work alot better with a seven speed rear than an eight. Was pretty sure that would be the case, but was nice to have it confirmed. A couple of photos here -http://tinyurl.com/23f4do3 Eric Platt St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Skjul tekst i anførselstegn - - Vis tekst i anførselstegn - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] props for Jack Browns off-road
Jack Browns get a shout out in this article urging roadies to hit the dirt: http://www.elevationoutdoors.com/index.php/sick-of-traffic-hit-the-dirt-on-your-road-bike/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Atlantis FD Chain Problem - Sudden
Need advice. I finally put together my Atlantis and have been riding back and forth to work 16 miles RT for the past four weeks without issue and happily shifting very well. I am really enjoying fully using a useful triple. Bad news riding in this morning. The chain came off twice on both sides of the chainring low and high. This hasn't happened before. I was very careful in adjusting H and L limit screws when setting it up. It jammed pretty good at the chainstay but I had twined the chainstay at the small chainring so no rash yet. The only thing unusual is that on the way home YESTERDAY one small hill I forgot to shift down on the front chainring and cross chained pretty good for a short bit until I figured out what was wrong. Could I have bent the cage? Forced the limit screws? The FD is the standard inexpensive Campy Mirage triple that Riv sells. Should I replace the derailer? I originally tried a Campy Chorus double but it didn't have the range though it seemed very stout. The crank is the Riv Sugino XD2 Triple 172.5 and Tange 107 BB. Please help me lift my funk. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: props for Jack Browns off-road
That guy has the right idea. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis FD Chain Problem - Sudden
The FD is the standard inexpensive Campy Mirage triple that Riv sells. Should I replace the derailer? In my experience, this is one of the best FDs made. This sounds like a set up issue, not product. Without seeing it, hard to imagine what it is. On May 5, 10:35 am, Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Need advice. I finally put together my Atlantis and have been riding back and forth to work 16 miles RT for the past four weeks without issue and happily shifting very well. I am really enjoying fully using a useful triple. Bad news riding in this morning. The chain came off twice on both sides of the chainring low and high. This hasn't happened before. I was very careful in adjusting H and L limit screws when setting it up. It jammed pretty good at the chainstay but I had twined the chainstay at the small chainring so no rash yet. The only thing unusual is that on the way home YESTERDAY one small hill I forgot to shift down on the front chainring and cross chained pretty good for a short bit until I figured out what was wrong. Could I have bent the cage? Forced the limit screws? The FD is the standard inexpensive Campy Mirage triple that Riv sells. Should I replace the derailer? I originally tried a Campy Chorus double but it didn't have the range though it seemed very stout. The crank is the Riv Sugino XD2 Triple 172.5 and Tange 107 BB. Please help me lift my funk. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed
I'd sure like to see a photo of those reversed Alba bars. Do you have any? Or a link? Are you using thumb shifters? From: Ginz theg...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 7:17:34 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed snip It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach. Agreed. If you've got the long arms, then a slightly shorter stem (Nitto Dirt Drop) and drop bars could work. I've got the short arms, so I've completely given up on drop bars. In fact, I've given up on Moustache bars, as well. My latest bike has an upside down and cut Albatross, setup in Moustache fashion. This gave me Moustache functionality and effectively reduced the reach by 4cm which allowed me to run a frame with a slightly longer top tube. That's the best I could do. My Hunqapillar, should I take the plunge, would require a Bull Moose or a right-side up Albatross. Drops are out of the question. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Atlantis FD Chain Problem - Sudden
Is the chain length right? From: Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:35:42 AM Subject: [RBW] Atlantis FD Chain Problem - Sudden Need advice. I finally put together my Atlantis and have been riding back and forth to work 16 miles RT for the past four weeks without issue and happily shifting very well. I am really enjoying fully using a useful triple. Bad news riding in this morning. The chain came off twice on both sides of the chainring low and high. This hasn't happened before. I was very careful in adjusting H and L limit screws when setting it up. It jammed pretty good at the chainstay but I had twined the chainstay at the small chainring so no rash yet. The only thing unusual is that on the way home YESTERDAY one small hill I forgot to shift down on the front chainring and cross chained pretty good for a short bit until I figured out what was wrong. Could I have bent the cage? Forced the limit screws? The FD is the standard inexpensive Campy Mirage triple that Riv sells. Should I replace the derailer? I originally tried a Campy Chorus double but it didn't have the range though it seemed very stout. The crank is the Riv Sugino XD2 Triple 172.5 and Tange 107 BB. Please help me lift my funk. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis FD Chain Problem - Sudden
Is the chain length right? Come to think of it, the symptoms match. On May 5, 11:07 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Is the chain length right? From: Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:35:42 AM Subject: [RBW] Atlantis FD Chain Problem - Sudden Need advice. I finally put together my Atlantis and have been riding back and forth to work 16 miles RT for the past four weeks without issue and happily shifting very well. I am really enjoying fully using a useful triple. Bad news riding in this morning. The chain came off twice on both sides of the chainring low and high. This hasn't happened before. I was very careful in adjusting H and L limit screws when setting it up. It jammed pretty good at the chainstay but I had twined the chainstay at the small chainring so no rash yet. The only thing unusual is that on the way home YESTERDAY one small hill I forgot to shift down on the front chainring and cross chained pretty good for a short bit until I figured out what was wrong. Could I have bent the cage? Forced the limit screws? The FD is the standard inexpensive Campy Mirage triple that Riv sells. Should I replace the derailer? I originally tried a Campy Chorus double but it didn't have the range though it seemed very stout. The crank is the Riv Sugino XD2 Triple 172.5 and Tange 107 BB. Please help me lift my funk. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis FD Chain Problem - Sudden
Bruce, I have a Shimano HG-61 12-36T cassette which is supposedly beyond the official blessing of Shimano for my long cage XT RD but blessed by Riv. I doubt I'll ever use the 36 but it's on there. I sized the new chain (SRAM 9xx) with the conventional approach and didn't remove any links because it seemed to be the proper length uncut. The odd thing is that it's been shifting fine though the chain is starting to gunk up a bit from daily use. I lube chain with Boeshield once a week and let sit and then wipe off thoroughly. I bought a 3rd eye but never installed it . I may now. On May 5, 9:07 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Is the chain length right? From: Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:35:42 AM Subject: [RBW] Atlantis FD Chain Problem - Sudden Need advice. I finally put together my Atlantis and have been riding back and forth to work 16 miles RT for the past four weeks without issue and happily shifting very well. I am really enjoying fully using a useful triple. Bad news riding in this morning. The chain came off twice on both sides of the chainring low and high. This hasn't happened before. I was very careful in adjusting H and L limit screws when setting it up. It jammed pretty good at the chainstay but I had twined the chainstay at the small chainring so no rash yet. The only thing unusual is that on the way home YESTERDAY one small hill I forgot to shift down on the front chainring and cross chained pretty good for a short bit until I figured out what was wrong. Could I have bent the cage? Forced the limit screws? The FD is the standard inexpensive Campy Mirage triple that Riv sells. Should I replace the derailer? I originally tried a Campy Chorus double but it didn't have the range though it seemed very stout. The crank is the Riv Sugino XD2 Triple 172.5 and Tange 107 BB. Please help me lift my funk. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis FD Chain Problem - Sudden
Mitch: You probably haven't damaged the FD; they're pretty rugged. Check your limit screws and take a look at Sheldon's info on chain length set-up. With a long cage RD, I never found chain length to be critical but it shifts better if it's reasonably close. I've dropped the chain off the granny gear when I mess up the big to middle shift am out on the smaller cogs, probably not enough chain tension. Over shifting that tosses the chain beyond the big ring is probably a limit screw adjustment. Sometimes with a new build it takes a while for things to settle in. Helps to check stuff for a while after. dougP On May 5, 9:09 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Is the chain length right? Come to think of it, the symptoms match. On May 5, 11:07 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Is the chain length right? From: Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:35:42 AM Subject: [RBW] Atlantis FD Chain Problem - Sudden Need advice. I finally put together my Atlantis and have been riding back and forth to work 16 miles RT for the past four weeks without issue and happily shifting very well. I am really enjoying fully using a useful triple. Bad news riding in this morning. The chain came off twice on both sides of the chainring low and high. This hasn't happened before. I was very careful in adjusting H and L limit screws when setting it up. It jammed pretty good at the chainstay but I had twined the chainstay at the small chainring so no rash yet. The only thing unusual is that on the way home YESTERDAY one small hill I forgot to shift down on the front chainring and cross chained pretty good for a short bit until I figured out what was wrong. Could I have bent the cage? Forced the limit screws? The FD is the standard inexpensive Campy Mirage triple that Riv sells. Should I replace the derailer? I originally tried a Campy Chorus double but it didn't have the range though it seemed very stout. The crank is the Riv Sugino XD2 Triple 172.5 and Tange 107 BB. Please help me lift my funk. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
This seems like a great deal. Waterford frame (double top tube no less), Taiwan fork for $1250! They must have a really good relationship with waterford. I am surprised the price is so low, does the fork require that much work?? I am sure the double top tuber will look great. On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: just posted to the Riv site. Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? Here's what's coming: Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm and larger. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis FD Chain Problem - Sudden
I would think that with a new set up re-tensioning the cables would be a first step, and I don't think it could hurt to tighten the set screws a quarter turn and see if it still shifts successfully. The screws could certainly have moved, especially bouncing around on bad, urban roads. I certainly doubt there is anything wrong with the derailleur. I have two of them and have found them pretty rugged. Michael On May 5, 11:35 am, Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Need advice. I finally put together my Atlantis and have been riding back and forth to work 16 miles RT for the past four weeks without issue and happily shifting very well. I am really enjoying fully using a useful triple. Bad news riding in this morning. The chain came off twice on both sides of the chainring low and high. This hasn't happened before. I was very careful in adjusting H and L limit screws when setting it up. It jammed pretty good at the chainstay but I had twined the chainstay at the small chainring so no rash yet. The only thing unusual is that on the way home YESTERDAY one small hill I forgot to shift down on the front chainring and cross chained pretty good for a short bit until I figured out what was wrong. Could I have bent the cage? Forced the limit screws? The FD is the standard inexpensive Campy Mirage triple that Riv sells. Should I replace the derailer? I originally tried a Campy Chorus double but it didn't have the range though it seemed very stout. The crank is the Riv Sugino XD2 Triple 172.5 and Tange 107 BB. Please help me lift my funk. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike 10. Travelino 9. Henri Torres 8. Vagabondo 7. Hugonaut 6. Velocipes 5. Navigador 4. Luis Rotundus 3. F. Murray Abraham 2. Uniped (lugged steel unicycle, made for touring) 1. Retro Grouchier -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, not a design flaw. Michael On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with that. Grant is the master. On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at $1250. I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request means. I assume all sizes will be orange. They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: just posted to the Riv site. Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? Here's what's coming: Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm and larger. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis FD Chain Problem - Sudden
I seriously doubt that the derailer is damaged. If you managed to dump the chain on both sides of the crankset on one ride, I also suspect setup issues. Double check your chain length first, then look at the setup of your front derailer. The front mech is a pretty simple device, but the setup gets a little funny sometimes. Check height and angle, then give those limit screws a tweak - preferably with the bike on a workstand so you can check and watch the functioning as you shift it. Chuck On May 5, 10:35 am, Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Need advice. I finally put together my Atlantis and have been riding back and forth to work 16 miles RT for the past four weeks without issue and happily shifting very well. I am really enjoying fully using a useful triple. Bad news riding in this morning. The chain came off twice on both sides of the chainring low and high. This hasn't happened before. I was very careful in adjusting H and L limit screws when setting it up. It jammed pretty good at the chainstay but I had twined the chainstay at the small chainring so no rash yet. The only thing unusual is that on the way home YESTERDAY one small hill I forgot to shift down on the front chainring and cross chained pretty good for a short bit until I figured out what was wrong. Could I have bent the cage? Forced the limit screws? The FD is the standard inexpensive Campy Mirage triple that Riv sells. Should I replace the derailer? I originally tried a Campy Chorus double but it didn't have the range though it seemed very stout. The crank is the Riv Sugino XD2 Triple 172.5 and Tange 107 BB. Please help me lift my funk. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: props for Jack Browns off-road
Great shout out. My experience with the JBs has garnered similar praise. They're great on or off road. Love the Hampsten SB as well. Before I got my Riv I was seriously eyeballing that bike. They really are nice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a road bike, How about they look so darn cool? http://www.flickr.com/photos/retrotec-inglis-cycles/4561446951/ (for the record, while I really like curved double top tubes, I am not sold on the straight). On May 5, 1:29 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, not a design flaw. Michael On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with that. Grant is the master. On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at $1250. I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request means. I assume all sizes will be orange. They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: just posted to the Riv site. Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? Here's what's coming: Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm and larger. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
Daddy Claxton LA Freeway Manila John Mongo Santamaria On May 5, 11:20 am, Bridgestone alancr...@mac.com wrote: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike 10. Travelino 9. Henri Torres 8. Vagabondo 7. Hugonaut 6. Velocipes 5. Navigador 4. Luis Rotundus 3. F. Murray Abraham 2. Uniped (lugged steel unicycle, made for touring) 1. Retro Grouchier -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
Superfluous Tuboleo From: reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 12:22:19 -0700 (PDT) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike Daddy Claxton LA Freeway Manila John Mongo Santamaria On May 5, 11:20 am, Bridgestone alancr...@mac.com wrote: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike 10. Travelino 9. Henri Torres 8. Vagabondo 7. Hugonaut 6. Velocipes 5. Navigador 4. Luis Rotundus 3. F. Murray Abraham 2. Uniped (lugged steel unicycle, made for touring) 1. Retro Grouchier -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
Abe Vigoda Archie Dick Van Patton Maude (women specific Geo) Alan Hale -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
Randommeur. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:55, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Abe Vigoda Archie Dick Van Patton Maude (women specific Geo) Alan Hale -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
a Gunnar with custom curved blade Waterford fork is $1150. Interesting price points both companies are juggling here. It all sounds good to me. delete the extra top tube and lower the price $100. Then you got the lovely lugged, sloping top tube, steel forked, American made (mostly) $1000 beaut. still not a fan of double top tube aesthetics. a curvey Retrotec is on thing. On May 5, 11:46 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a road bike, How about they look so darn cool? http://www.flickr.com/photos/retrotec-inglis-cycles/4561446951/ (for the record, while I really like curved double top tubes, I am not sold on the straight). On May 5, 1:29 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, not a design flaw. Michael On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with that. Grant is the master. On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at $1250. I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request means. I assume all sizes will be orange. They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: just posted to the Riv site. Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? Here's what's coming: Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm and larger. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: [RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 12:54 -0700, Dustin Sharp wrote: Superfluous Tuboleo Clearly, that's going to be one of the double top tube models. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
On May 5, 3:54 pm, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote: Superfluous Tuboleo perfect. it really rolls of the tongue nicely. tough to fit on a downtube, but would look great on . .. well, a superfluous top tube. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
Abiyoyo Inigo Montoya Loch Leven Border Reiver Carnomore On May 5, 12:20 pm, Bridgestone alancr...@mac.com wrote: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike 10. Travelino 9. Henri Torres 8. Vagabondo 7. Hugonaut 6. Velocipes 5. Navigador 4. Luis Rotundus 3. F. Murray Abraham 2. Uniped (lugged steel unicycle, made for touring) 1. Retro Grouchier -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
Does it really matter? outside of the fact that one is MUSA and the other is not, is there any real tangible difference? Is the Waterford one better? better quality? better construction? better riding? longer lasting? better... something? or are we just talking about ideas and ideals? Would you actually recommend that someone buy the Waterford HIllborne over the normal HIllborne? If so, why? or, for that matter, why not? Do you think Riv thinks they are different? This is a a tough question for me-- I go back and forth. Hmm. cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything to do with stiffness under cargo load. A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking their frames: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ A stiffer frame just responds to load better. My 56 Hillborne is really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. If you never load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need it. I considered trying to buy the 2TT lugs that Riv built for the Hunqa so I can have a second top tube installed if I ever repaint my Sam. I'm glad they are offering the option. In the meantime I'm buying a Hunqa, and have a Bombadil, so I'll set up the Sam lighter, more like a road bike so it wont need the stiffening, as you pointed out. On May 5, 11:29 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, not a design flaw. Michael On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with that. Grant is the master. On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at $1250. I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request means. I assume all sizes will be orange. They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: just posted to the Riv site. Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? Here's what's coming: Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm and larger. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
other is not, is there any real tangible difference? Is the Waterford one better? better quality? better construction? better riding? longer lasting? better... something? or are we just talking about ideas and ideals? Waterford has been making highly regarded bikes for quite some time now. What was the Taiwan factory making before it started making Rivs? On May 5, 3:54 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Does it really matter? outside of the fact that one is MUSA and the other is not, is there any real tangible difference? Is the Waterford one better? better quality? better construction? better riding? longer lasting? better... something? or are we just talking about ideas and ideals? Would you actually recommend that someone buy the Waterford HIllborne over the normal HIllborne? If so, why? or, for that matter, why not? Do you think Riv thinks they are different? This is a a tough question for me-- I go back and forth. Hmm. cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
On May 5, 12:55 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Archie and the matching Mixtes, Betty and Veronica (Taiwan) the Waterford versions are Charlotte and Emily -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 14:23 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: other is not, is there any real tangible difference? Is the Waterford one better? better quality? better construction? better riding? longer lasting? better... something? or are we just talking about ideas and ideals? Waterford has been making highly regarded bikes for quite some time now. What was the Taiwan factory making before it started making Rivs? Most likely, highly regarded bikes you never heard of, or might have heard of under another name. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: props for Jack Browns off-road
I duuno. The fat Ti tubes on a small frame just don't do it for me. The bike purpose... totally right on. Just don't know how big a market is out there for these bikes. Most of the guys I work with who ride still think Carbon tubes and skinny tires is nirvanna. I'm workin' on them though. Best thing I ever did 5 years ago was buy a Soma Cross bike and set it up just like that... now I have upgraded to a Hillborne and am having Hilsen dreams. On May 5, 11:45 am, Brad Gantt brdg...@gmail.com wrote: Great shout out. My experience with the JBs has garnered similar praise. They're great on or off road. Love the Hampsten SB as well. Before I got my Riv I was seriously eyeballing that bike. They really are nice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 14:22 -0700, William wrote: The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything to do with stiffness under cargo load. A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking their frames: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ Yes, but the bike shown in that photo does not have two top tubes. It has diagonal stays. I'm not sure I've ever seen a photo of a campeur with two top tubes. A stiffer frame just responds to load better. If a double top tube was needed to make a heavy duty camping bike, I'm pretty sure Bruce Gordon and Bilenky would be using them on their camping (i.e., loaded touring) bikes. The only double top tubes I can recall (other than these new Rivendells) are roadsters and newsboy bikes, and in the case of the newsboy bikes I think the double top tube existed chiefly to provide something to attach the tanks to. My 56 Hillborne is really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. Maybe you ought to get some kind of saddle bag support or rack to attach that flopping bag to. If you never load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need it. A flopping saddle bag isn't at all the same thing as well secured panniers attached to a sturdy rear rack. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: props for Jack Browns off-road
On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 14:44 -0700, Michael_S wrote: I duuno. The fat Ti tubes on a small frame just don't do it for me. The bike purpose... totally right on. Just don't know how big a market is out there for these bikes. Most of the guys I work with who ride still think Carbon tubes and skinny tires is nirvanna. I'm workin' on them though. I don't think Hampsten expects the Strada Bianca to be a mass market item. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Riv frames work great with drop bars
It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach. UnSo! Terribly, terrifically unso. The Top Tube Ruse in RR--40/ 41? talked all about that, but I realize people come and go and land late and may skip over or miss, but basically, it's like this. Forgive lack of detail in these explanations: Shallow seat tubes neutralize long top tubes. We have shallow seat tubes. Higher bars super-'eutralize long top tubes. We're the Cosmos champs in that cat. As bars get higher, your arms become more horizontal, and that makes them longer (effectively, not literally). Tall quill stems always help, but with our bikes--as much as I likem we gottem, they're less necessary than they are with a '73 Colnago, or '84 Centurion Ironman, etc. I cannot image more drop-bar friendly bikes than ours. I wouldn't design a bike that wouldn't work fine with a drop. With appropriate-sized stems for the size. Granted, my personal Sam is a 60 with a 7stem, and that's borderline funky, but that's on a 62.5 top tube, and I'm a mere 5-9.9. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Works www.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
Will agree with Steve here. Have had my 56cm Sam Hillborne loaded up with 25 plus pounds of gear in panniers and rear rack and have had no noticable issues with frame flexiness. Even a loaded Carradice Nelson Longflap doesn't seem to change the handling. Other than weight shift of where the load is located. Add to the fact that last year my weight was around 240. So for my use, the Hillborne with a single tube (Singleborne?) is not under stiff. That being said, I personally like the look of double top tubes on the larger Bombadil. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On May 5, 4:48�pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 14:22 -0700, William wrote: The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything to do with stiffness under cargo load. A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking their frames: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ Yes, but the bike shown in that photo does not have two top tubes. �It has diagonal stays. � I'm not sure I've ever seen a photo of a campeur with two top tubes. A stiffer frame just responds to load better. If a double top tube was needed to make a heavy duty camping bike, I'm pretty sure Bruce Gordon and Bilenky would be using them on their camping (i.e., loaded touring) bikes. The only double top tubes I can recall (other than these new Rivendells) are roadsters and newsboy bikes, and in the case of the newsboy bikes I think the double top tube existed chiefly to provide something to attach the tanks to. �My 56 Hillborne is really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the saddle. �The whole frame twists from that rocking load. Maybe you ought to get some kind of saddle bag support or rack to attach that flopping bag to. � If you never load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need it. A flopping saddle bag isn't at all the same thing as well secured panniers attached to a sturdy rear rack. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
Most likely, highly regarded bikes you never heard of, or might have heard of under another name. Could well be. But if it's my money, I am going with what I know and trust. I know and trust Waterford. If I never heard of something, no matter how good it might be, it is hard for me to trust it. On May 5, 4:40 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 14:23 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: other is not, is there any real tangible difference? Is the Waterford one better? better quality? better construction? better riding? longer lasting? better... something? or are we just talking about ideas and ideals? Waterford has been making highly regarded bikes for quite some time now. What was the Taiwan factory making before it started making Rivs? Most likely, highly regarded bikes you never heard of, or might have heard of under another name. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
That being said, I personally like the look of double top tubes on the larger Bombadil. Yes. Big bikes without the double tube probably ride alright but look, well, odd: http://oswaldcycleworks.com/mcoswhole.jpg On May 5, 4:56 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Will agree with Steve here. Have had my 56cm Sam Hillborne loaded up with 25 plus pounds of gear in panniers and rear rack and have had no noticable issues with frame flexiness. Even a loaded Carradice Nelson Longflap doesn't seem to change the handling. Other than weight shift of where the load is located. Add to the fact that last year my weight was around 240. So for my use, the Hillborne with a single tube (Singleborne?) is not under stiff. That being said, I personally like the look of double top tubes on the larger Bombadil. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On May 5, 4:48 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 14:22 -0700, William wrote: The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything to do with stiffness under cargo load. A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking their frames: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ Yes, but the bike shown in that photo does not have two top tubes. It has diagonal stays. I'm not sure I've ever seen a photo of a campeur with two top tubes. A stiffer frame just responds to load better. If a double top tube was needed to make a heavy duty camping bike, I'm pretty sure Bruce Gordon and Bilenky would be using them on their camping (i.e., loaded touring) bikes. The only double top tubes I can recall (other than these new Rivendells) are roadsters and newsboy bikes, and in the case of the newsboy bikes I think the double top tube existed chiefly to provide something to attach the tanks to. My 56 Hillborne is really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. Maybe you ought to get some kind of saddle bag support or rack to attach that flopping bag to. If you never load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need it. A flopping saddle bag isn't at all the same thing as well secured panniers attached to a sturdy rear rack. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv frames work great with drop bars
All of this is true, but it seems to depend upon high bars to help with the neutralizing. If someone prefers a low bars setup, one of the neutralizing elements in Riv's schema does not come into play. So what should someone do in such a scenario, assuming they aren't willing to adopt a higher bar position? Should they purchase a smaller frame than would ordinarily be recommended for their given PBH? Aaron On May 5, 2:53 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach. UnSo! Terribly, terrifically unso. The Top Tube Ruse in RR--40/ 41? talked all about that, but I realize people come and go and land late and may skip over or miss, but basically, it's like this. Forgive lack of detail in these explanations: Shallow seat tubes neutralize long top tubes. We have shallow seat tubes. Higher bars super-'eutralize long top tubes. We're the Cosmos champs in that cat. As bars get higher, your arms become more horizontal, and that makes them longer (effectively, not literally). Tall quill stems always help, but with our bikes--as much as I likem we gottem, they're less necessary than they are with a '73 Colnago, or '84 Centurion Ironman, etc. I cannot image more drop-bar friendly bikes than ours. I wouldn't design a bike that wouldn't work fine with a drop. With appropriate-sized stems for the size. Granted, my personal Sam is a 60 with a 7stem, and that's borderline funky, but that's on a 62.5 top tube, and I'm a mere 5-9.9. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
I think I would be compelled to buy just about any frame Riv made if it were called Inigo Montoya. Even if it had a silly double top tube. From: Darin G. dbg...@mac.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 13:46:51 -0700 (PDT) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike Abiyoyo Inigo Montoya Loch Leven Border Reiver Carnomore On May 5, 12:20 pm, Bridgestone alancr...@mac.com wrote: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike 10. Travelino 9. Henri Torres 8. Vagabondo 7. Hugonaut 6. Velocipes 5. Navigador 4. Luis Rotundus 3. F. Murray Abraham 2. Uniped (lugged steel unicycle, made for touring) 1. Retro Grouchier -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv frames work great with drop bars
Roadeo excepted, isn't the general philosophy behind Riv design to stay away from impractical race standards? On May 5, 5:32 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: All of this is true, but it seems to depend upon high bars to help with the neutralizing. If someone prefers a low bars setup, one of the neutralizing elements in Riv's schema does not come into play. So what should someone do in such a scenario, assuming they aren't willing to adopt a higher bar position? Should they purchase a smaller frame than would ordinarily be recommended for their given PBH? Aaron On May 5, 2:53 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach. UnSo! Terribly, terrifically unso. The Top Tube Ruse in RR--40/ 41? talked all about that, but I realize people come and go and land late and may skip over or miss, but basically, it's like this. Forgive lack of detail in these explanations: Shallow seat tubes neutralize long top tubes. We have shallow seat tubes. Higher bars super-'eutralize long top tubes. We're the Cosmos champs in that cat. As bars get higher, your arms become more horizontal, and that makes them longer (effectively, not literally). Tall quill stems always help, but with our bikes--as much as I likem we gottem, they're less necessary than they are with a '73 Colnago, or '84 Centurion Ironman, etc. I cannot image more drop-bar friendly bikes than ours. I wouldn't design a bike that wouldn't work fine with a drop. With appropriate-sized stems for the size. Granted, my personal Sam is a 60 with a 7stem, and that's borderline funky, but that's on a 62.5 top tube, and I'm a mere 5-9.9. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Riv frames work great with drop bars
Ditto. Most of my miles these days go on a 54.5 cm Road, with a TT of, well, 54.5. My pbh is only 78.4 (I run 650B wheels on it so I can stand over the bike at traffic stops) but it is very comfy with Nitto grand randonneur drops on it. The largest normal manufacurer's frame I could ride would be a 50 cm, and then I had to add a stem extender to get the bars up high enough. (I sold that thing to help finance a Ram a few years back) From: Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 4:53:53 PM Subject: [RBW] Riv frames work great with drop bars It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach. UnSo! Terribly, terrifically unso. I cannot image more drop-bar friendly bikes than ours. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
So, for example, if there were an endless stream on the meaning of trail or planing, you could say, You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. On May 5, 3:36 pm, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote: I think I would be compelled to buy just about any frame Riv made if it were called Inigo Montoya. Even if it had a silly double top tube. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv frames work great with drop bars
I suppose one person's impractical race standards are another's comfort zone. I tried the high-bars approach and didn't care for it. I felt like I was driving a bus and that my center of gravity was too high. You can disparage that as following impractical race standards all you want, but the fact of the matter is that lower bar height works better for me. But in coming to that discovery I've had to give up one of the long-top-tube neutralizing variables in the process. Hence my question: if someone prefers lower bars, should they size down with respect to what ordinarily be recommended? On May 5, 3:38 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Roadeo excepted, isn't the general philosophy behind Riv design to stay away from impractical race standards? On May 5, 5:32 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: All of this is true, but it seems to depend upon high bars to help with the neutralizing. If someone prefers a low bars setup, one of the neutralizing elements in Riv's schema does not come into play. So what should someone do in such a scenario, assuming they aren't willing to adopt a higher bar position? Should they purchase a smaller frame than would ordinarily be recommended for their given PBH? Aaron On May 5, 2:53 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach. UnSo! Terribly, terrifically unso. The Top Tube Ruse in RR--40/ 41? talked all about that, but I realize people come and go and land late and may skip over or miss, but basically, it's like this. Forgive lack of detail in these explanations: Shallow seat tubes neutralize long top tubes. We have shallow seat tubes. Higher bars super-'eutralize long top tubes. We're the Cosmos champs in that cat. As bars get higher, your arms become more horizontal, and that makes them longer (effectively, not literally). Tall quill stems always help, but with our bikes--as much as I likem we gottem, they're less necessary than they are with a '73 Colnago, or '84 Centurion Ironman, etc. I cannot image more drop-bar friendly bikes than ours. I wouldn't design a bike that wouldn't work fine with a drop. With appropriate-sized stems for the size. Granted, my personal Sam is a 60 with a 7stem, and that's borderline funky, but that's on a 62.5 top tube, and I'm a mere 5-9.9. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
On a related note, simply Mongo would have worked for the Hunquapiller. Think: Blazing Saddles. On May 5, 12:22 pm, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: Daddy Claxton LA Freeway Manila John Mongo Santamaria On May 5, 11:20 am, Bridgestone alancr...@mac.com wrote: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike 10. Travelino 9. Henri Torres 8. Vagabondo 7. Hugonaut 6. Velocipes 5. Navigador 4. Luis Rotundus 3. F. Murray Abraham 2. Uniped (lugged steel unicycle, made for touring) 1. Retro Grouchier -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 15:04 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: Most likely, highly regarded bikes you never heard of, or might have heard of under another name. Could well be. But if it's my money, I am going with what I know and trust. I know and trust Waterford. If I never heard of something, no matter how good it might be, it is hard for me to trust it. You trust Rivendell, don't you? It's their name on the down tube, and I'm 100% confident they wouldn't put their name on the downtube if they themselves weren't 100% confident in the workmanship and materials. Grant may be many things, but you can be 100% certain he isn't stupid; and I'm absolutely certain this is a case of the quality goes in before the name goes on (TM). However, there's absolutely no reason to not go for a Waterford-built bike if you can afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
Eric,Steve I clumsily overstated the front triangle flex of my Sam. It's not a problem. It's also not a swinging unsupported saddlebag, but that doesn't particularly matter. I should have simply posted that I think Grant designed in the 2TT option to stiffen the front triangle of the larger Sam (rather than strengthen it against failure or merely add it for looks). I haven't discussed it with him, but that's my guess. I might be wrong. On May 5, 2:56 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Will agree with Steve here. Have had my 56cm Sam Hillborne loaded up with 25 plus pounds of gear in panniers and rear rack and have had no noticable issues with frame flexiness. Even a loaded Carradice Nelson Longflap doesn't seem to change the handling. Other than weight shift of where the load is located. Add to the fact that last year my weight was around 240. So for my use, the Hillborne with a single tube (Singleborne?) is not under stiff. That being said, I personally like the look of double top tubes on the larger Bombadil. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On May 5, 4:48 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 14:22 -0700, William wrote: The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything to do with stiffness under cargo load. A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking their frames: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ Yes, but the bike shown in that photo does not have two top tubes. It has diagonal stays. I'm not sure I've ever seen a photo of a campeur with two top tubes. A stiffer frame just responds to load better. If a double top tube was needed to make a heavy duty camping bike, I'm pretty sure Bruce Gordon and Bilenky would be using them on their camping (i.e., loaded touring) bikes. The only double top tubes I can recall (other than these new Rivendells) are roadsters and newsboy bikes, and in the case of the newsboy bikes I think the double top tube existed chiefly to provide something to attach the tanks to. My 56 Hillborne is really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. Maybe you ought to get some kind of saddle bag support or rack to attach that flopping bag to. If you never load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need it. A flopping saddle bag isn't at all the same thing as well secured panniers attached to a sturdy rear rack. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed
It would likely look really similar to a 1993 XO-3 Like this: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1993/pages/33.htm or this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230468515481ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT On May 5, 8:48 am, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I'd sure like to see a photo of those reversed Alba bars. Do you have any? Or a link? Are you using thumb shifters? From: Ginz theg...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 7:17:34 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed snip It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach. Agreed. If you've got the long arms, then a slightly shorter stem (Nitto Dirt Drop) and drop bars could work. I've got the short arms, so I've completely given up on drop bars. In fact, I've given up on Moustache bars, as well. My latest bike has an upside down and cut Albatross, setup in Moustache fashion. This gave me Moustache functionality and effectively reduced the reach by 4cm which allowed me to run a frame with a slightly longer top tube. That's the best I could do. My Hunqapillar, should I take the plunge, would require a Bull Moose or a right-side up Albatross. Drops are out of the question. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
i am not a loaded tourer. Aesthetically, given a choice, I'd choose that mixte approach to stiffening way before the current Riv approach to double top tubes. On May 5, 2:22 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything to do with stiffness under cargo load. A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking their frames: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ A stiffer frame just responds to load better. My 56 Hillborne is really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. If you never load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need it. I considered trying to buy the 2TT lugs that Riv built for the Hunqa so I can have a second top tube installed if I ever repaint my Sam. I'm glad they are offering the option. In the meantime I'm buying a Hunqa, and have a Bombadil, so I'll set up the Sam lighter, more like a road bike so it wont need the stiffening, as you pointed out. On May 5, 11:29 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, not a design flaw. Michael On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with that. Grant is the master. On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at $1250. I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request means. I assume all sizes will be orange. They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: just posted to the Riv site. Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? Here's what's coming: Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm and larger. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
[RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
Archie and the matching Mixtes, Betty and Veronica I was thinking Archie Bunker. I guess you could call the matching mixte The Dingbat. I remember in the Hilsen intro Grant mentioned contemplating naming the it after Ebb on Green Acres. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
Or Meathead. On May 5, 4:59 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Archie and the matching Mixtes, Betty and Veronica I was thinking Archie Bunker. I guess you could call the matching mixte The Dingbat. I remember in the Hilsen intro Grant mentioned contemplating naming the it after Ebb on Green Acres. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
There are definitely several ways to design a bike that is 'stiff enough' for the application. I'm a fan of that long mixte look also, but I like the 2TT look, too. For whatever reason, the one that I visually don't like at all is the curvy tube beach-cruiser look. On May 5, 4:58 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: i am not a loaded tourer. Aesthetically, given a choice, I'd choose that mixte approach to stiffening way before the current Riv approach to double top tubes. On May 5, 2:22 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything to do with stiffness under cargo load. A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking their frames: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ A stiffer frame just responds to load better. My 56 Hillborne is really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. If you never load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need it. I considered trying to buy the 2TT lugs that Riv built for the Hunqa so I can have a second top tube installed if I ever repaint my Sam. I'm glad they are offering the option. In the meantime I'm buying a Hunqa, and have a Bombadil, so I'll set up the Sam lighter, more like a road bike so it wont need the stiffening, as you pointed out. On May 5, 11:29 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, not a design flaw. Michael On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with that. Grant is the master. On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at $1250. I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request means. I assume all sizes will be orange. They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: just posted to the Riv site. Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? Here's what's coming: Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm and larger. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext- - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe
Re: [RBW] Riv frames work great with drop bars
I think you need to pay attention to both seat and top tube when shopping frames. There's no one right answer, it depends greatly on how the bike will be ridden and the intended bars. One of the main benefits of the typical Rivendell fit is the typically higher bars, but you don't want/need them higher than the saddle, the next size down is certainly a valid choice. On Wednesday, May 5, 2010, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose one person's impractical race standards are another's comfort zone. I tried the high-bars approach and didn't care for it. I felt like I was driving a bus and that my center of gravity was too high. You can disparage that as following impractical race standards all you want, but the fact of the matter is that lower bar height works better for me. But in coming to that discovery I've had to give up one of the long-top-tube neutralizing variables in the process. Hence my question: if someone prefers lower bars, should they size down with respect to what ordinarily be recommended? On May 5, 3:38 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Roadeo excepted, isn't the general philosophy behind Riv design to stay away from impractical race standards? On May 5, 5:32 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: All of this is true, but it seems to depend upon high bars to help with the neutralizing. If someone prefers a low bars setup, one of the neutralizing elements in Riv's schema does not come into play. So what should someone do in such a scenario, assuming they aren't willing to adopt a higher bar position? Should they purchase a smaller frame than would ordinarily be recommended for their given PBH? Aaron On May 5, 2:53 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach. UnSo! Terribly, terrifically unso. The Top Tube Ruse in RR--40/ 41? talked all about that, but I realize people come and go and land late and may skip over or miss, but basically, it's like this. Forgive lack of detail in these explanations: Shallow seat tubes neutralize long top tubes. We have shallow seat tubes. Higher bars super-'eutralize long top tubes. We're the Cosmos champs in that cat. As bars get higher, your arms become more horizontal, and that makes them longer (effectively, not literally). Tall quill stems always help, but with our bikes--as much as I likem we gottem, they're less necessary than they are with a '73 Colnago, or '84 Centurion Ironman, etc. I cannot image more drop-bar friendly bikes than ours. I wouldn't design a bike that wouldn't work fine with a drop. With appropriate-sized stems for the size. Granted, my personal Sam is a 60 with a 7stem, and that's borderline funky, but that's on a 62.5 top tube, and I'm a mere 5-9.9. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubsFor more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
I was under the impression that the heavy duty camper in the line-up was the Atlantis, and the Hillbourne / AHH were all purpose country bikes. The Atlantis, the Surly LHT, and the Co-motion Americano all have pretty good reputation as heavy duty campers, and all with a single top tube. Michael On May 5, 5:22 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything to do with stiffness under cargo load. A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking their frames: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ A stiffer frame just responds to load better. My 56 Hillborne is really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. If you never load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need it. I considered trying to buy the 2TT lugs that Riv built for the Hunqa so I can have a second top tube installed if I ever repaint my Sam. I'm glad they are offering the option. In the meantime I'm buying a Hunqa, and have a Bombadil, so I'll set up the Sam lighter, more like a road bike so it wont need the stiffening, as you pointed out. On May 5, 11:29 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, not a design flaw. Michael On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with that. Grant is the master. On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at $1250. I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request means. I assume all sizes will be orange. They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: just posted to the Riv site. Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? Here's what's coming: Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm and larger. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch
[RBW] Re: Riv frames work great with drop bars
In my experience, don't fear the long top tubes on Rivendells. I was a bit apprehensive (at 5'9+) about going from a 54-55 standard road bike to a 57 Bleriot and 58 Saluki. They fit great and I didn't have the bars all that high. Big bikes are comfy. Ryan On May 5, 5:08 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: I think you need to pay attention to both seat and top tube when shopping frames. There's no one right answer, it depends greatly on how the bike will be ridden and the intended bars. One of the main benefits of the typical Rivendell fit is the typically higher bars, but you don't want/need them higher than the saddle, the next size down is certainly a valid choice. On Wednesday, May 5, 2010, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose one person's impractical race standards are another's comfort zone. I tried the high-bars approach and didn't care for it. I felt like I was driving a bus and that my center of gravity was too high. You can disparage that as following impractical race standards all you want, but the fact of the matter is that lower bar height works better for me. But in coming to that discovery I've had to give up one of the long-top-tube neutralizing variables in the process. Hence my question: if someone prefers lower bars, should they size down with respect to what ordinarily be recommended? On May 5, 3:38 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Roadeo excepted, isn't the general philosophy behind Riv design to stay away from impractical race standards? On May 5, 5:32 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: All of this is true, but it seems to depend upon high bars to help with the neutralizing. If someone prefers a low bars setup, one of the neutralizing elements in Riv's schema does not come into play. So what should someone do in such a scenario, assuming they aren't willing to adopt a higher bar position? Should they purchase a smaller frame than would ordinarily be recommended for their given PBH? Aaron On May 5, 2:53 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach. UnSo! Terribly, terrifically unso. The Top Tube Ruse in RR--40/ 41? talked all about that, but I realize people come and go and land late and may skip over or miss, but basically, it's like this. Forgive lack of detail in these explanations: Shallow seat tubes neutralize long top tubes. We have shallow seat tubes. Higher bars super-'eutralize long top tubes. We're the Cosmos champs in that cat. As bars get higher, your arms become more horizontal, and that makes them longer (effectively, not literally). Tall quill stems always help, but with our bikes--as much as I likem we gottem, they're less necessary than they are with a '73 Colnago, or '84 Centurion Ironman, etc. I cannot image more drop-bar friendly bikes than ours. I wouldn't design a bike that wouldn't work fine with a drop. With appropriate-sized stems for the size. Granted, my personal Sam is a 60 with a 7stem, and that's borderline funky, but that's on a 62.5 top tube, and I'm a mere 5-9.9. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubsFor more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group
[RBW] WTT 57cm Romulus for a 59-60 Ram/Rom/Saluki/Hilsen
Shot in the dark: does anyone have a 59-60cm Rambouillet, Romulus, Saluki, or Hilsen that's too big for them and wants to trade for my 57cm Romulus + maybe a few hundred bucks? After a while of trying to make my 57cm Rom fit well (a stretch at 5'11 / 86 PBH) I've finally decided that it's time to go bigger. I'm in the bay area, and would rather do this in person than ship frames around… -nathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Wheel for the Hillborne
Thanks for the suggestions! I'm gonna try to make it to Rich's upcoming seminar at RBWHQ, which I'm guessing is a great resource to learn from. :) -nathan On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:58 AM, Teit teit.jen...@gmail.com wrote: I use Roger Musson: The Professional Guide to Wheel Building: http://www.wheelpro.co.uk/wheelbuilding/book.php I have built one rear wheel, which still works fine after around 2400 km. And a few other wheels for my next bike I look forward to test when I decide on a frame ;-) The book is really, really well written, makes the reader feel it it a easy task to make a wheel, if you follow the steps carefully and don't try to make your own smart shortcuts. Cheap, around $15, but you have to print it yourself, or read it at the screen. A lot af good reveiws here: http://www.mtbr.com/cat/resources/book/roger-musson/wheel-building/PRD_417244_103crx.aspx -Teit On 3 Maj, 22:06, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote: Is Jobst's book still the de facto resource for learning the craft of wheelbuilding? Any other suggested resources? I think I'll make building a lighter set of wheels for my RB-1 as a summer project. :) -nathan On May 3, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Me clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Good on ya. Building a wheel/wheels/wheelset is one of those things where you -really- connect with 'History' I think. Once I learned how, there is/was no going back. It's fun. Congrats on your Phil too! -Scott On May 3, 3:30 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Finally got around to doing a couple of things - getting a Phil Wood hub and building my own wheel. Jim Thill at Hiawatha spent a good chunk of an evening trying to drill into my thick skull how to properly build a wheel. Might have been slightly less dim than most days, as the instruction took, and now have a Phil freewheel hub laced to a Salsa Delgado rim. Even more amazingly the wheel has stayed good for about 60 miles of riding over the weekend. Including a curb bash taken at a lot higher speed than planned. About a week earlier, swapped the crankset out for a Sugino XD found secondhand. More than a bit scuffed up, but that crank just looks so right on this bike. One last observation - the Silver shifters do seem to work alot better with a seven speed rear than an eight. Was pretty sure that would be the case, but was nice to have it confirmed. A couple of photos here -http://tinyurl.com/23f4do3 Eric Platt St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Skjul tekst i anførselstegn - - Vis tekst i anførselstegn - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Wanted: Small Saddle Bag
I am looking for a smallish type of Saddle bag. I am trying not to spend a tonmaybe a Sacksville XS, Keven's bag or a Carradice Zipper Roll. That basic style. Anyone have anything they want to get rid of? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed
Well, no, not exactly. Both of those XOs are rigged with moustache bars. I definitely am not a fan of MBs. I have seen Alba bars reversed, but thought the poster had a few pix handy. Also curious about the thumb shifters, twisters, or BE. I guess DT is possible as well. Thank you, William, for taking the time to look those pix up for me. Those are nice looking bikes. From: William tapebu...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 4:53:14 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed It would likely look really similar to a 1993 XO-3 Like this: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1993/pages/33.htm or this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230468515481ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT On May 5, 8:48 am, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I'd sure like to see a photo of those reversed Alba bars. Do you have any? Or a link? Are you using thumb shifters? From: Ginz theg...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 7:17:34 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed snip It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach. Agreed. If you've got the long arms, then a slightly shorter stem (Nitto Dirt Drop) and drop bars could work. I've got the short arms, so I've completely given up on drop bars. In fact, I've given up on Moustache bars, as well. My latest bike has an upside down and cut Albatross, setup in Moustache fashion. This gave me Moustache functionality and effectively reduced the reach by 4cm which allowed me to run a frame with a slightly longer top tube. That's the best I could do. My Hunqapillar, should I take the plunge, would require a Bull Moose or a right-side up Albatross. Drops are out of the question. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed
Not a problem. I'm a fan of the 1993 XO-3. I sold a lot of them when they were new. Those handlebars are not Moustache bars. More specifically, they are not Nitto RM-016 bars. They were called 'Priest' bars by B-stone and had a bend that was much closer to the Albatross than the Moustache. The XO-1 had Moustache (RM-016) bars. I don't know if the bends are identical (Priest and Alba), but they are definitely really close. On May 5, 6:18 pm, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Well, no, not exactly. Both of those XOs are rigged with moustache bars. I definitely am not a fan of MBs. I have seen Alba bars reversed, but thought the poster had a few pix handy. Also curious about the thumb shifters, twisters, or BE. I guess DT is possible as well. Thank you, William, for taking the time to look those pix up for me. Those are nice looking bikes. From: William tapebu...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 4:53:14 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed It would likely look really similar to a 1993 XO-3 Like this: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1993/pages/33.htm or this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230468515481ssPag... On May 5, 8:48 am, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I'd sure like to see a photo of those reversed Alba bars. Do you have any? Or a link? Are you using thumb shifters? From: Ginz theg...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 7:17:34 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed snip It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach. Agreed. If you've got the long arms, then a slightly shorter stem (Nitto Dirt Drop) and drop bars could work. I've got the short arms, so I've completely given up on drop bars. In fact, I've given up on Moustache bars, as well. My latest bike has an upside down and cut Albatross, setup in Moustache fashion. This gave me Moustache functionality and effectively reduced the reach by 4cm which allowed me to run a frame with a slightly longer top tube. That's the best I could do. My Hunqapillar, should I take the plunge, would require a Bull Moose or a right-side up Albatross. Drops are out of the question. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv frames work great with drop bars
You can disparage that as following impractical race standards all you want, but the fact of the matter is that lower bar height works better for me. Not disparaging anything. However, if you read through GP's Readers he goes to great detail that he designed bikes for what he felt was a more comfortable upright riding. I guess one can put race slicks on a Chevy Malibu if that is ones preferred tire, but wouldn't it make more sense to buy a Porsche? On May 5, 5:59 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose one person's impractical race standards are another's comfort zone. I tried the high-bars approach and didn't care for it. I felt like I was driving a bus and that my center of gravity was too high. You can disparage that as following impractical race standards all you want, but the fact of the matter is that lower bar height works better for me. But in coming to that discovery I've had to give up one of the long-top-tube neutralizing variables in the process. Hence my question: if someone prefers lower bars, should they size down with respect to what ordinarily be recommended? On May 5, 3:38 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Roadeo excepted, isn't the general philosophy behind Riv design to stay away from impractical race standards? On May 5, 5:32 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: All of this is true, but it seems to depend upon high bars to help with the neutralizing. If someone prefers a low bars setup, one of the neutralizing elements in Riv's schema does not come into play. So what should someone do in such a scenario, assuming they aren't willing to adopt a higher bar position? Should they purchase a smaller frame than would ordinarily be recommended for their given PBH? Aaron On May 5, 2:53 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach. UnSo! Terribly, terrifically unso. The Top Tube Ruse in RR--40/ 41? talked all about that, but I realize people come and go and land late and may skip over or miss, but basically, it's like this. Forgive lack of detail in these explanations: Shallow seat tubes neutralize long top tubes. We have shallow seat tubes. Higher bars super-'eutralize long top tubes. We're the Cosmos champs in that cat. As bars get higher, your arms become more horizontal, and that makes them longer (effectively, not literally). Tall quill stems always help, but with our bikes--as much as I likem we gottem, they're less necessary than they are with a '73 Colnago, or '84 Centurion Ironman, etc. I cannot image more drop-bar friendly bikes than ours. I wouldn't design a bike that wouldn't work fine with a drop. With appropriate-sized stems for the size. Granted, my personal Sam is a 60 with a 7stem, and that's borderline funky, but that's on a 62.5 top tube, and I'm a mere 5-9.9. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to
[RBW] Re: more on stem-bar-geo stuff
Perhaps my legs are freakishlly long. If I go down a size, I have to put the seat post freakishly high in order to get proper pedaling extension. On May 5, 7:42 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: Roadeo excepted, isn't the general philosophy behind Riv design to stay away from impractical race standards? As a matter of fact, the o-o-o-original idea with the 1.5-deg upslope, the 15mm top head lug extension, the longer steer tube, the longquill stems--- was to allow you to ride a smaller frame and still get the bars high. You can still do that, sure, yes. But o'er the years, with us and most everybody else, the nearly inevitable direction is upward...and it all still works. Even the Roadeo--1.5 upslope, long top head lug, big stack headset (when threaded)...upsizing still works well. The bigdrop starts the measurement low, compensates for the fattish tires...it's a complex combohydrate that works well. But if somebody truly likes lower bars (Aaron rides his lower than most), then yep, a smaller frame will be fine. Or just sink the stem in deeper, so when you're an old man you can still ride the same bike. -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv frames work great with drop bars
Perhaps... the PBH measurement emphasis is too strong? I've learned over the years of hip and other injuries that top tube length and seat tube angle are the most important bike dimensions to consider 1st. PBH only tells you if you can straddle the top tube and how much seat post will show. Of course seatpost setback and stem length/height and even seat rail length need to be considered as well. The compact frame phenomenon has as it's only redeeming quality the shift to top tube length as the key indicator of bike fit. ~Mike~ On May 5, 7:08 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: You can disparage that as following impractical race standards all you want, but the fact of the matter is that lower bar height works better for me. Not disparaging anything. However, if you read through GP's Readers he goes to great detail that he designed bikes for what he felt was a more comfortable upright riding. I guess one can put race slicks on a Chevy Malibu if that is ones preferred tire, but wouldn't it make more sense to buy a Porsche? On May 5, 5:59 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose one person's impractical race standards are another's comfort zone. I tried the high-bars approach and didn't care for it. I felt like I was driving a bus and that my center of gravity was too high. You can disparage that as following impractical race standards all you want, but the fact of the matter is that lower bar height works better for me. But in coming to that discovery I've had to give up one of the long-top-tube neutralizing variables in the process. Hence my question: if someone prefers lower bars, should they size down with respect to what ordinarily be recommended? On May 5, 3:38 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Roadeo excepted, isn't the general philosophy behind Riv design to stay away from impractical race standards? On May 5, 5:32 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: All of this is true, but it seems to depend upon high bars to help with the neutralizing. If someone prefers a low bars setup, one of the neutralizing elements in Riv's schema does not come into play. So what should someone do in such a scenario, assuming they aren't willing to adopt a higher bar position? Should they purchase a smaller frame than would ordinarily be recommended for their given PBH? Aaron On May 5, 2:53 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach. UnSo! Terribly, terrifically unso. The Top Tube Ruse in RR--40/ 41? talked all about that, but I realize people come and go and land late and may skip over or miss, but basically, it's like this. Forgive lack of detail in these explanations: Shallow seat tubes neutralize long top tubes. We have shallow seat tubes. Higher bars super-'eutralize long top tubes. We're the Cosmos champs in that cat. As bars get higher, your arms become more horizontal, and that makes them longer (effectively, not literally). Tall quill stems always help, but with our bikes--as much as I likem we gottem, they're less necessary than they are with a '73 Colnago, or '84 Centurion Ironman, etc. I cannot image more drop-bar friendly bikes than ours. I wouldn't design a bike that wouldn't work fine with a drop. With appropriate-sized stems for the size. Granted, my personal Sam is a 60 with a 7stem, and that's borderline funky, but that's on a 62.5 top tube, and I'm a mere 5-9.9. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
I just took possession of a Waterford Sam last Thursday. It is a 56cm and it has only a single top tube. I wasn't expecting to go the Waterford route but when I finally decided to pull the trigger I went to RBWWHQ with debit card in hand and was told that the incoming batch would only accept sidepuls - a dealbreaker (deal-braker?) for me, as I absolutely positively prefer V-brakes to all others in all situations. I was then told that I could order a Waterford-built frame with canti studs for an extra $250, which seemed like a great deal for a domestic frame. (Didn't realize at the time that I would also have to pay for the bottom bracket - included in the Taiwan frames but not in the Waterfords.) Well, I ended up lucking out because the Taiwanese sidepull-only frames ended up delayed (due to critically unsafe label placement) but my Waterford came in right on time. It almost goes without saying that I am completely, totally in love with the bike. Today is the first day that I haven't brought it to work with me and I'm wondering how it's doing at home all alone... Link to a site that was kind enough to carry my photos: http://www.ecovelo.info/2010/05/03/gallery-daniels-rivendell-sam-hillborne/ Some unwarranted and unsubstantiated speculation: My original impression when I was in the shop was that the idea was to permanently switch to sidepull-only frames to make the Sam more of a discount AHH. On further thought it occurs to me that canti studs and the housing stop/bridge on the rear cost money to fabricate and eliminating them makes it easier to hold down the cost on what is supposed to be the budget bike. Somewhere I got the idea that the only reason for the Waterford option was that they had extra Taiwan- built forks with the canti studs and that they would special-order the Waterford bikes until the forks ran out. I'm wondering if the decal issue/delay has gotten the Riv folks fed up with the Taiwan folks and looking to build them exclusively through Waterford in the future. I am really surprised that the 56 would get a double top tube and originally thought it was a misprint. I did see a double-tubed Sam in the shop but I'm not sure what size it was. Daniel On May 5, 9:36 am, jpp paste...@notes.udayton.edu wrote: This seems like a great deal. Waterford frame (double top tube no less), Taiwan fork for $1250! They must have a really good relationship with waterford. I am surprised the price is so low, does the fork require that much work?? I am sure the double top tuber will look great. On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: just posted to the Riv site. Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? Here's what's coming: Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm and larger. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Saluki History + Provenance
Thanks to all who replied! Lots of great pictures and info there. Still wondering how many Salukis were produced The check is in the mail to the seller, so I expect I will be unpacking my very first Rivendell in two weeks or so. Based on what's coming and not coming with the bike, I know I'll have questions. I'll ask them in separate threads to keep this one on Saluki History on topic for future reference. It's a good one! Rob in Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saluki History + Provenance
In RR 33 they said the first run was going to be 100 (half were cantilevers and half for centerpulls). I'm guessing they had a one or two more batches made but I'd guess again they weren't in very large quantities.. On May 5, 10:41 am, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all who replied! Lots of great pictures and info there. Still wondering how many Salukis were produced The check is in the mail to the seller, so I expect I will be unpacking my very first Rivendell in two weeks or so. Based on what's coming and not coming with the bike, I know I'll have questions. I'll ask them in separate threads to keep this one on Saluki History on topic for future reference. It's a good one! Rob in Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Atlantis FD Chain Problem - Sudden
on 5/5/10 8:35 AM, Mitch Browne at mitch.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Need advice. I finally put together my Atlantis and have been riding back and forth to work 16 miles RT for the past four weeks without issue and happily shifting very well. I am really enjoying fully using a useful triple. Bad news riding in this morning. The chain came off twice on both sides of the chainring low and high. This hasn't happened before. I was very careful in adjusting H and L limit screws when setting it up. It jammed pretty good at the chainstay but I had twined the chainstay at the small chainring so no rash yet. The only thing unusual is that on the way home YESTERDAY one small hill I forgot to shift down on the front chainring and cross chained pretty good for a short bit until I figured out what was wrong. Could I have bent the cage? Forced the limit screws? Unless there's serious binding, cross-chaining really won't damage anything directly. It will tend to flex your chain and weaken it prematurely. The FD is the standard inexpensive Campy Mirage triple that Riv sells. Should I replace the derailer? I originally tried a Campy Chorus double but it didn't have the range though it seemed very stout. The crank is the Riv Sugino XD2 Triple 172.5 and Tange 107 BB. Troubleshooting that problem: - Check for crankarm slop. Brace bicycle and see if there is lateral movement in the arms. (loose bb, loose arms on spindle.). Check chainring bolts. - Eyeball setup on FD. Not uncommon for them to slip slightly both in the vertical direction and by twisting around the seat tube. - Chain length as others have mentioned. I've never run a chain without at least removing several links, so I suspect you may have some issue there, regardless. - Housing, cables, ferrules, fixing bolt. Always a possibility of movement, play, seating in or reseating the ferrules. Cables don't stretch, but they can be devious in maintaining slack, and the fixing bolt can move if not torqued properly. - Limit screws can definitely vibrate and move. If you have consistent problems with that, a tiny dot of blue Loctite works. As others have said, there's not much you can do to a front derailleur that isn't really obvious. High and low throwing of the chain would point me towards the chain length, but definitely work through the other variables, too. Hope that helps, - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com Nigel did some work for some of the other riders at Allied, onces who still rode metal. He hadn't liked it when Chevette had gone for a paper frame. -- William Gibson, Virtual Light -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
my only comment to this discussion is the location of the reinforcing 2nd tube. The Retrotec's and the Singers both look aesthetically correct. The Bomba does not work for me visually. I cast my lowly Rivendell newbie vote for the diagonal design on any new Sam or Hunqua. ~Mike~ On May 5, 2:22 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything to do with stiffness under cargo load. A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking their frames: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ A stiffer frame just responds to load better. My 56 Hillborne is really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. If you never load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need it. I considered trying to buy the 2TT lugs that Riv built for the Hunqa so I can have a second top tube installed if I ever repaint my Sam. I'm glad they are offering the option. In the meantime I'm buying a Hunqa, and have a Bombadil, so I'll set up the Sam lighter, more like a road bike so it wont need the stiffening, as you pointed out. On May 5, 11:29 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, not a design flaw. Michael On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with that. Grant is the master. On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at $1250. I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request means. I assume all sizes will be orange. They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: just posted to the Riv site. Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? Here's what's coming: Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm and larger. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this
[RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
Eowyn - women's specific road bike (shorter top tube for starters) This suggestion is not original to me. On May 5, 5:02 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: Or Meathead. On May 5, 4:59 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Archie and the matching Mixtes, Betty and Veronica I was thinking Archie Bunker. I guess you could call the matching mixte The Dingbat. I remember in the Hilsen intro Grant mentioned contemplating naming the it after Ebb on Green Acres. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
The Beatnik! Ryan On May 5, 8:26 pm, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net wrote: Eowyn - women's specific road bike (shorter top tube for starters) This suggestion is not original to me. On May 5, 5:02 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: Or Meathead. On May 5, 4:59 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: Archie and the matching Mixtes, Betty and Veronica I was thinking Archie Bunker. I guess you could call the matching mixte The Dingbat. I remember in the Hilsen intro Grant mentioned contemplating naming the it after Ebb on Green Acres. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
I'm glad I got a 56 with the single tt. I can see any reason for two, neither looks nor durability. Odd. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:46 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a road bike, How about they look so darn cool? http://www.flickr.com/photos/retrotec-inglis-cycles/4561446951/ (for the record, while I really like curved double top tubes, I am not sold on the straight). On May 5, 1:29 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, not a design flaw. Michael On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with that. Grant is the master. On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at $1250. I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request means. I assume all sizes will be orange. They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: just posted to the Riv site. Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? Here's what's coming: Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm and larger. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
I've carried close to 40 lb in back on my 56 single tuber with no problems; and this in Dutch style panniers that aren't nearly as securely fastened as, say, Ortliebs. I still don't see the need, and I'm glad I got a Waterford with cantis and one tt. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 3:22 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything to do with stiffness under cargo load. A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking their frames: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ A stiffer frame just responds to load better. My 56 Hillborne is really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. If you never load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need it. I considered trying to buy the 2TT lugs that Riv built for the Hunqa so I can have a second top tube installed if I ever repaint my Sam. I'm glad they are offering the option. In the meantime I'm buying a Hunqa, and have a Bombadil, so I'll set up the Sam lighter, more like a road bike so it wont need the stiffening, as you pointed out. On May 5, 11:29 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, not a design flaw. Michael On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with that. Grant is the master. On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at $1250. I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request means. I assume all sizes will be orange. They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: just posted to the Riv site. Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? Here's what's coming: Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm and larger. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://
[RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
On May 5, 5:02 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: Or Meathead. That would be perfect for the Hunqa. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv frames work great with drop bars
That is what I did, as well as using shortish stems -- 8 cm. The bikes fit and feel and handle perfectly. The new Sam Hill is a 56 with a 59 tt and came with a 10 cm stem; I simply kept the bars high -- about 1/2 inch above saddle versus 2 below for the others -- tho' considerably lower than they had been as originally set up. With the longer reach (and the wider bars; I use 42s on my other bikes) the SH feels quite nice. I think I'd prefer to swap out the 46 cm Noodles for a 44 cm 185 if I had the chance since the Noodles do feel a bit wide; anyone care to trade? But I can ride in the drops longer than on my other bikes -- 20 miles instead of 10 -- though the hooks feel a bit high and I feel less powerful; But I plan to use it for touring, so that is alright. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.comwrote: I suppose one person's impractical race standards are another's comfort zone. I tried the high-bars approach and didn't care for it. I felt like I was driving a bus and that my center of gravity was too high. You can disparage that as following impractical race standards all you want, but the fact of the matter is that lower bar height works better for me. But in coming to that discovery I've had to give up one of the long-top-tube neutralizing variables in the process. Hence my question: if someone prefers lower bars, should they size down with respect to what ordinarily be recommended? On May 5, 3:38 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Roadeo excepted, isn't the general philosophy behind Riv design to stay away from impractical race standards? On May 5, 5:32 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: All of this is true, but it seems to depend upon high bars to help with the neutralizing. If someone prefers a low bars setup, one of the neutralizing elements in Riv's schema does not come into play. So what should someone do in such a scenario, assuming they aren't willing to adopt a higher bar position? Should they purchase a smaller frame than would ordinarily be recommended for their given PBH? Aaron On May 5, 2:53 pm, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach. UnSo! Terribly, terrifically unso. The Top Tube Ruse in RR--40/ 41? talked all about that, but I realize people come and go and land late and may skip over or miss, but basically, it's like this. Forgive lack of detail in these explanations: Shallow seat tubes neutralize long top tubes. We have shallow seat tubes. Higher bars super-'eutralize long top tubes. We're the Cosmos champs in that cat. As bars get higher, your arms become more horizontal, and that makes them longer (effectively, not literally). Tall quill stems always help, but with our bikes--as much as I likem we gottem, they're less necessary than they are with a '73 Colnago, or '84 Centurion Ironman, etc. I cannot image more drop-bar friendly bikes than ours. I wouldn't design a bike that wouldn't work fine with a drop. With appropriate-sized stems for the size. Granted, my personal Sam is a 60 with a 7stem, and that's borderline funky, but that's on a 62.5 top tube, and I'm a mere 5-9.9. G -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv frames work great with drop bars
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 8:08 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: You can disparage that as following impractical race standards all you want, but the fact of the matter is that lower bar height works better for me. Not disparaging anything. However, if you read through GP's Readers he goes to great detail that he designed bikes for what he felt was a more comfortable upright riding. I guess one can put race slicks on a Chevy Malibu if that is ones preferred tire, but wouldn't it make more sense to buy a Porsche? But again, it's just silly to think that Rivendells don't work well with drop bars and even lowish drop bars, just as it is silly to imply that lowish bars are only for racing. Low bars work fine with Rivs, at least the four I've owned do. What do low bars (by Grant's massively high standards) have to do with racing? Nothing, as far as I can tell; some people like bars even with or lower than the saddle because it feels more comfortable; end of story. Of course, there is low and low. I wouldn't buy a Riv with sloping tt and extended ht in order to lower my bars six inches below saddle, but a modest 2 is perfectly fine and in no way racing. And I have short arms for my height, so low bars aren't simply a means of accommodating a weird build. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv frames work great with drop bars
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:14 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: And I have short arms for my height, so low bars aren't simply a means of accommodating a weird build. Here's what I want to know. What is the size/proportion of legs/torso arms/height that is expected and/or designed for? I'd like to better know where I fit in the range of things. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv frames work great with drop bars
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:14 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: And I have short arms for my height, so low bars aren't simply a means of accommodating a weird build. Here's what I want to know. What is the size/proportion of legs/torso arms/height that is expected and/or designed for? Do you mean, that is expected by Rivendell and designed for by Rivendell? IOW, what build does Grant have in mind when he designs his bikes? I'd guess the normal range. I'd like to better know where I fit in the range of things. Are you an outlier? I have an Asian build on an Anglo Saxon scale. When I stand up, my brother in law named Hansen is 3 taller than I at 6'1. When we sit down, my head is even with his. He'd fit fine on a Riv, as do I. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv frames work great with drop bars
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:25 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Do you mean, that is expected by Rivendell and designed for by Rivendell? IOW, what build does Grant have in mind when he designs his bikes? I'd guess the normal range. Yes - but I don't know what 'normal' is. This is why I asked. :) I'm not being dense - I really don't know. I always thought I was normal but well maybe not. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Top Ten Names for the next Rivendell Bike
I have to agree. Most of these name choices leave me cold (I read such threads only to work myself up into a lather of righteous annoyance, but never mind) but for Inigo Montoya, I'd have to buy one, too, or at least get the decals to slap on my other Rivs. Patrick My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die. Moore who recently watched the movie again after 22 years. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote: I think I would be compelled to buy just about any frame Riv made if it were called Inigo Montoya. Even if it had a silly double top tube. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv frames work great with drop bars
Can you find shirts and pants that fit you in the men's section at large chain stores? Then you are normal, no? On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:25 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Do you mean, that is expected by Rivendell and designed for by Rivendell? IOW, what build does Grant have in mind when he designs his bikes? I'd guess the normal range. Yes - but I don't know what 'normal' is. This is why I asked. :) I'm not being dense - I really don't know. I always thought I was normal but well maybe not. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv frames work great with drop bars
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:32 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Can you find shirts and pants that fit you in the men's section at large chain stores? Then you are normal, no? Shirts, if they are in the 'Tall' section. I find I can't keep them tucked in if they are not. and Pants if they are normalish. 30 or 32 inseam on the pants - my PBH is something like 87 or 88. I know I can standover a 34 top tube w/o being bothered by it. I also know that I have a 58cm atlantis and an 7cm stem. If the bars got any further away from me I would be uncomfortable. I considered a 61cm as an option but it still seems like it would be making the reach worse. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Mixed terrain Chabot Bike Loop Ride!
Anyone interested in doing the Chabot Bike loop Tuesday or Thursday of next week? Fairly easy and causal 12ish miles of mixed terrain with rolling and bumpilous fire trails and with an option of a longer route going through redwood road. Food option at the end would be Main Streets Bagels which is super close by there. I was thinking of meeting at San Leandro Bart around 2ish and be done around 6ish. If anyone is interested let me know. Pictures of the trail can be found here. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157623672804597/ -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
On May 5, 9:42 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm glad I got a 56 with the single tt. I can see any reason for two, neither looks nor durability. Odd. Maybe not on the 56, but as frames get larger they become more susceptible to shimmy. The 60 and above could be shimmy machines in the right conditions. And if you've ever experienced high speed shimmy, you will readily consider purchasing a triple top tube bike if it's offered. Hey, a Triple-pillar for 2011? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Mixed terrain Chabot Bike Loop Ride!
I wish I could join you Manny. I'll be passing by on Redwood Road Tuesday morning and Thursday morning. Commuting to work. On May 5, 10:19 pm, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: Anyone interested in doing the Chabot Bike loop Tuesday or Thursday of next week? Fairly easy and causal 12ish miles of mixed terrain with rolling and bumpilous fire trails and with an option of a longer route going through redwood road. Food option at the end would be Main Streets Bagels which is super close by there. I was thinking of meeting at San Leandro Bart around 2ish and be done around 6ish. If anyone is interested let me know. Pictures of the trail can be found here. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157623672804597/ -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
