Re: [RBW] Re: Gary Taubes NYT, reviews new pro lo carb study
For a different take on the question of cortisol and C-reactive protein, check out this interview with Dr. Ron Rosedale: http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2012/06/30/ron-rosedale-comments-on-new-harvard-study Aaron On Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:31:58 PM UTC-7, ttoshi wrote: Nothing Hirsch says discredits the paper cited. The paper claims that the resting energy expenditure of the subjects with low carb diets was higher than the high carb diet expenditure. Therefore, the low carb diet contingent burns more energy at rest than the high carb diet contingent. I looked at the data and it certainly trended that way. They claim that the data are statistically significant. One thing of note, however, is that the low carb diet contingent had higher levels of cortisol and I think I remember reading C-reactive protein. These are markers of inflammation and if they are elevated tend to increase the risk of cardiovascular disease among other things. I try to eat as many veggies as possible and be moderate in my intake of carbs and meat. In any event, a diet with lots of veggies is good for preventing cancer. Luckily I don't need to be too worried about weight. Toshi On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Tony Lockhart alockhart...@gmail.com wrote: This was an interesting article and I imagine that it'll have the Taubes fans up in arms. This guy speaks very authoritatively when it comes to efficient ways of losing weight. I kind of find this frustrating because the article alludes to his credibility given that he's been studying obesity for 60 years. With that said, I find it interesting that Hirsch mediated a study where he manipulated calorie compositions in his subjects. It would seem that this directly contradicts what Taubes has highlighted in Good Calories, Bad Calories. I would like to know more about Hirsch's claim that low carb/high fat diets have something to do with water weight loss. In the Taubes books, I remember him very clearly describing how correctly dieting will regulate/correct adipose deposit levels, but I vaguely remember anything about water weight loss. Anybody else not buying what Hirsch has to say?? On Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:16:09 PM UTC-7, Solomander wrote: OTOH.. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/10/health/nutrition/q-and-a-are-high-protein-low-carb-diets-effective.html?smid=FB-nytimesWT.mc_id=HL-E-FB-SM-LIN-IDM-071212-NYT-NAWT.mc_ev=click Jules Hirsch is a smart guy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Hx0iYyeWnsgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/6WpglxP-AiUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: A Tire Pressure App
Okay. Figured some of it out on my own, and went to the garage last night and let out enough air to get to the suggested values. We'll see how they ride. I like the images of each bike type, btw. On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Allan in Portland allan_f...@aracnet.comwrote: Yeah, I've been meaning to get to work on some instructions. I've been telling myself it's self-explanatory with two exceptions (OK, now 3, I reckon). 1) After changing any of the load values, recalculate the pressure by tapping the silhouette graphic 2) The custom/obsessive bike type ignores the bike rider weight, and instead computes the pressure only from the front rear load values 3) Add bikes to your stable by pushing the + button next to the Select Bicycle drop-down. Feel free to delete Turing's. It gets magically restored if there are no other bikes to display. Regards, -Allan On Thursday, July 12, 2012 5:31:06 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote: Got it. Any instructions anywhere for it? I don;t ride Turing's Raleigh and would like toi put my own bikes in. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cpO_Pi-0A50J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Gary Taubes NYT, reviews new pro lo carb study
Water weight is easy to check if you have one of those scales that does so. For one of the Atkins-style diets-and diet is a bit misleading-one has to consume water etc., at regular intervals during the day. Expect to pee a lot. But that is the primary way fat, and a lot of other bad stuff, leaves the body. Sent from my iPad On Jul 12, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Tony Lockhart alockhart...@gmail.com wrote: This was an interesting article and I imagine that it'll have the Taubes fans up in arms. This guy speaks very authoritatively when it comes to efficient ways of losing weight. I kind of find this frustrating because the article alludes to his credibility given that he's been studying obesity for 60 years. With that said, I find it interesting that Hirsch mediated a study where he manipulated calorie compositions in his subjects. It would seem that this directly contradicts what Taubes has highlighted in Good Calories, Bad Calories. I would like to know more about Hirsch's claim that low carb/high fat diets have something to do with water weight loss. In the Taubes books, I remember him very clearly describing how correctly dieting will regulate/correct adipose deposit levels, but I vaguely remember anything about water weight loss. Anybody else not buying what Hirsch has to say?? On Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:16:09 PM UTC-7, Solomander wrote: OTOH.. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/10/health/nutrition/q-and-a-are-high-protein-low-carb-diets-effective.html?smid=FB-nytimesWT.mc_id=HL-E-FB-SM-LIN-IDM-071212-NYT-NAWT.mc_ev=click Jules Hirsch is a smart guy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Hx0iYyeWnsgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Gary Taubes NYT, reviews new pro lo carb study
On Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:48:08 PM UTC-4, Tim McNamara wrote: The best advice about diet I have read is Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. The only thing I'd add to that is learn to cook. Cooking is essential to taking ownership of what we choose to eat - everyday, I get 5-6 chances to make the right food choices. When I roll my own, I get it right more often than not. Cooking also inevitably leads to more flavor and variety, which makes the food i eat very satisfying. It's an essential human skill and it needs to part of the discussion with respect to the health/obesity epidemic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/3FrdLfpVE8gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Gary Taubes NYT, reviews new pro lo carb study
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Robert Zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Water weight is easy to check if you have one of those scales that does so. For one of the Atkins-style diets-and diet is a bit misleading-one has to consume water etc., at regular intervals during the day. Expect to pee a lot. But that is the primary way fat, and a lot of other bad stuff, leaves the body. I'm not on an atkins-style diet but I do drink a lot of water on the advice of a back doctor who said it would help keep my vertebrae from rubbing as much. He said while the water advantages on my spine would be, relatively, small, the biggest advantage of drinking a lot of water is that it will force me to get up and down out of my chair in order to go to the bathroom. He's definitely right about that. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
I'm not a particularly anxious person, although I do get anxious when someone compliments my courage! I regularly downhill at 40+ mph and have hit 50 on good pavement and reasonably straight mountain descents without too much anxiety, but one hill this year has me spooked. One of my favorite routes is a 23 mile ride with 1400 feet of climbing that is equally divided among lightly traveled good dirt roads, mostly descent chip seal town roads, and a third of moderately traveled state roads. It provides beautiful pastoral scenery, a good view of the whole of the Mt. Mansfield ridge line, and a stretch along the Lamoille River, including the impressive Fairfax Falls. In the past I have always ridden it counter clockwise, which includes a beast of a 3K climb, including a K of 20%+ grade right in the middle. This year I reversed direction and have been riding it clockwise on my Rambouillet, with a very nice set of Grand Bois Cerf tires. The first time down it I discovered the pavement on the steepest section was not in good condition, no pot holes or heaves, just lots of broken chip and seal. The bumping was quite dramatic and I felt like one good hole could toss me over the handle bars. Garmin was showing 47.5 when I lightly squeezed the rear brake. Fortunately the Paul's Racers have excellent modulation and I safely slowed enough to feel OK. But when I got to the bottom I asked myself why I chickened out, since I was just fine, and thought that the next time I would lay off the brakes. But this hasn't happened. Instead each time I have gone down it, I have gone slower and slower. Today I took out my Trek, which has 32 mm TServes to see if I would feel more comfortable at higher speeds with the softer tire. But when I got to the top of the hill I realized I had no real taste for the experiment. I went down at 25, until I could see the good pavement at the bottom and then I let it roll out to 39. So I ask myself, is this wisdom, or just yielding to irrational anxiety. Michael Westford, VT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/iToeUC0XbYUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Gary Taubes NYT, reviews new pro lo carb study
Amen to this. I am amazed at how well and quickly even I -- being impatient -- can cook. I am very grateful that my daughter has grown up with home-made meals, not pre-packaged schlock. The best cookbook for non-experts is Bittman's How To Cook Everything. The title is just about accurate: you can find out what to do with the catfish nuggets that have been sitting in the freezer for months (lemon and caper sauce, or a mustard sauce), pastas when your ingredients are spaghetti noodles, an old head of garlic and some cheese, what to do with cabbage, and how to make a gimlet. Patrick Moore, who must still try that fennel pasta On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:48:08 PM UTC-4, Tim McNamara wrote: The best advice about diet I have read is Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. The only thing I'd add to that is learn to cook. Cooking is essential to taking ownership of what we choose to eat - everyday, I get 5-6 chances to make the right food choices. When I roll my own, I get it right more often than not. Cooking also inevitably leads to more flavor and variety, which makes the food i eat very satisfying. It's an essential human skill and it needs to part of the discussion with respect to the health/obesity epidemic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/3FrdLfpVE8gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
I'll vote for wisdom. If you don't feel comfortable with the speed on a particular section of road then take it slow there. Discretion, valor and all of that. A rough road will have me taking it easy every time even though I'm running medium pressure 26x1.5s. I surely love flying down a decent road, though :) -Ken On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a particularly anxious person, although I do get anxious when someone compliments my courage! I regularly downhill at 40+ mph and have hit 50 on good pavement and reasonably straight mountain descents without too much anxiety, but one hill this year has me spooked. One of my favorite routes is a 23 mile ride with 1400 feet of climbing that is equally divided among lightly traveled good dirt roads, mostly descent chip seal town roads, and a third of moderately traveled state roads. It provides beautiful pastoral scenery, a good view of the whole of the Mt. Mansfield ridge line, and a stretch along the Lamoille River, including the impressive Fairfax Falls. In the past I have always ridden it counter clockwise, which includes a beast of a 3K climb, including a K of 20%+ grade right in the middle. This year I reversed direction and have been riding it clockwise on my Rambouillet, with a very nice set of Grand Bois Cerf tires. The first time down it I discovered the pavement on the steepest section was not in good condition, no pot holes or heaves, just lots of broken chip and seal. The bumping was quite dramatic and I felt like one good hole could toss me over the handle bars. Garmin was showing 47.5 when I lightly squeezed the rear brake. Fortunately the Paul's Racers have excellent modulation and I safely slowed enough to feel OK. But when I got to the bottom I asked myself why I chickened out, since I was just fine, and thought that the next time I would lay off the brakes. But this hasn't happened. Instead each time I have gone down it, I have gone slower and slower. Today I took out my Trek, which has 32 mm TServes to see if I would feel more comfortable at higher speeds with the softer tire. But when I got to the top of the hill I realized I had no real taste for the experiment. I went down at 25, until I could see the good pavement at the bottom and then I let it roll out to 39. So I ask myself, is this wisdom, or just yielding to irrational anxiety. Michael Westford, VT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/iToeUC0XbYUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
My principle is, always yield to your anxieties. Really, from so much fixed gear riding, my descending skills, never very good, are now pretty atrophied -- hell, on the steepest downhills I go slower on the fixies than I do on level ground. I've hit 50 on a steep, long downhill straight with a howling tailwind (on knobbies -- on the flat, a cardboard box was pacing me thanks to the wind) but last year I nearly bought the farm when I decided to let it all hang out on a very steep, winding 4/10 mile downhill riding the Fargo with flaccid Big Apples. Just at the sharpest bend, the rear sidewall began to tuck under a bit, a danger I compounded by squeezing the - powerful disk - rear brake. Fortunately my fantastic recovery skills ( or my guardian angel) kept me from ploughing into the curb at 37 mph. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a particularly anxious person, although I do get anxious when someone compliments my courage! I regularly downhill at 40+ mph and have hit 50 on good pavement and reasonably straight mountain descents without too much anxiety, but one hill this year has me spooked. One of my favorite routes is a 23 mile ride with 1400 feet of climbing that is equally divided among lightly traveled good dirt roads, mostly descent chip seal town roads, and a third of moderately traveled state roads. It provides beautiful pastoral scenery, a good view of the whole of the Mt. Mansfield ridge line, and a stretch along the Lamoille River, including the impressive Fairfax Falls. In the past I have always ridden it counter clockwise, which includes a beast of a 3K climb, including a K of 20%+ grade right in the middle. This year I reversed direction and have been riding it clockwise on my Rambouillet, with a very nice set of Grand Bois Cerf tires. The first time down it I discovered the pavement on the steepest section was not in good condition, no pot holes or heaves, just lots of broken chip and seal. The bumping was quite dramatic and I felt like one good hole could toss me over the handle bars. Garmin was showing 47.5 when I lightly squeezed the rear brake. Fortunately the Paul's Racers have excellent modulation and I safely slowed enough to feel OK. But when I got to the bottom I asked myself why I chickened out, since I was just fine, and thought that the next time I would lay off the brakes. But this hasn't happened. Instead each time I have gone down it, I have gone slower and slower. Today I took out my Trek, which has 32 mm TServes to see if I would feel more comfortable at higher speeds with the softer tire. But when I got to the top of the hill I realized I had no real taste for the experiment. I went down at 25, until I could see the good pavement at the bottom and then I let it roll out to 39. So I ask myself, is this wisdom, or just yielding to irrational anxiety. Michael Westford, VT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/iToeUC0XbYUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
Intuition is a good thing. Listen to it. On Friday, July 13, 2012 9:53:40 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote: I'm not a particularly anxious person, although I do get anxious when someone compliments my courage! I regularly downhill at 40+ mph and have hit 50 on good pavement and reasonably straight mountain descents without too much anxiety, but one hill this year has me spooked. One of my favorite routes is a 23 mile ride with 1400 feet of climbing that is equally divided among lightly traveled good dirt roads, mostly descent chip seal town roads, and a third of moderately traveled state roads. It provides beautiful pastoral scenery, a good view of the whole of the Mt. Mansfield ridge line, and a stretch along the Lamoille River, including the impressive Fairfax Falls. In the past I have always ridden it counter clockwise, which includes a beast of a 3K climb, including a K of 20%+ grade right in the middle. This year I reversed direction and have been riding it clockwise on my Rambouillet, with a very nice set of Grand Bois Cerf tires. The first time down it I discovered the pavement on the steepest section was not in good condition, no pot holes or heaves, just lots of broken chip and seal. The bumping was quite dramatic and I felt like one good hole could toss me over the handle bars. Garmin was showing 47.5 when I lightly squeezed the rear brake. Fortunately the Paul's Racers have excellent modulation and I safely slowed enough to feel OK. But when I got to the bottom I asked myself why I chickened out, since I was just fine, and thought that the next time I would lay off the brakes. But this hasn't happened. Instead each time I have gone down it, I have gone slower and slower. Today I took out my Trek, which has 32 mm TServes to see if I would feel more comfortable at higher speeds with the softer tire. But when I got to the top of the hill I realized I had no real taste for the experiment. I went down at 25, until I could see the good pavement at the bottom and then I let it roll out to 39. So I ask myself, is this wisdom, or just yielding to irrational anxiety. Michael Westford, VT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7zOArdNDdBIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Rayon for Riding?
Interesting: I did not know that wood fiber fabric was so good. My rayons have been picked up by chance from the GW shirt rack (along with silks and very nice cottons) -- haven't been to GW in quite a while; must cruise the aisles to see if there are any rayons available. During my morning meditations today I was perusing an old Nat Geo that had a blurb about bamboo and its growing use for cloth fiber -- interesting. We are suffering cruel, I say cruel, humidity, topping 40% in the morning coolth and still excessive in the 30s during the warmth of the day: monsoon (all 9 of it!) season, doncha know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
40-50mph is motorcycle speed, which those guys/gals are running in full leathers and a full-face helmet (the smart ones, anyway). I've rarely exceeded 35 on a bicycle, and am in no hurry to do it again soon. A little slower is still fun. Joe where ya goin in such a hurry, boy Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, July 13, 2012 8:15:32 AM UTC-7, Will wrote: Intuition is a good thing. Listen to it. On Friday, July 13, 2012 9:53:40 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote: I'm not a particularly anxious person, although I do get anxious when someone compliments my courage! I regularly downhill at 40+ mph and have hit 50 on good pavement and reasonably straight mountain descents without too much anxiety, but one hill this year has me spooked. One of my favorite routes is a 23 mile ride with 1400 feet of climbing that is equally divided among lightly traveled good dirt roads, mostly descent chip seal town roads, and a third of moderately traveled state roads. It provides beautiful pastoral scenery, a good view of the whole of the Mt. Mansfield ridge line, and a stretch along the Lamoille River, including the impressive Fairfax Falls. In the past I have always ridden it counter clockwise, which includes a beast of a 3K climb, including a K of 20%+ grade right in the middle. This year I reversed direction and have been riding it clockwise on my Rambouillet, with a very nice set of Grand Bois Cerf tires. The first time down it I discovered the pavement on the steepest section was not in good condition, no pot holes or heaves, just lots of broken chip and seal. The bumping was quite dramatic and I felt like one good hole could toss me over the handle bars. Garmin was showing 47.5 when I lightly squeezed the rear brake. Fortunately the Paul's Racers have excellent modulation and I safely slowed enough to feel OK. But when I got to the bottom I asked myself why I chickened out, since I was just fine, and thought that the next time I would lay off the brakes. But this hasn't happened. Instead each time I have gone down it, I have gone slower and slower. Today I took out my Trek, which has 32 mm TServes to see if I would feel more comfortable at higher speeds with the softer tire. But when I got to the top of the hill I realized I had no real taste for the experiment. I went down at 25, until I could see the good pavement at the bottom and then I let it roll out to 39. So I ask myself, is this wisdom, or just yielding to irrational anxiety. Michael Westford, VT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/X254zJBOfv4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
I am a better safe than sorry type, rather than a throw caution to the wind type. Good to see lots of people share that approach. I want all of you to be riding in good health for a long time :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/15JBZvodwCoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
Havn't read the book yet. Though I really appreciate what Rivendell is about. All of us on this list are big fans correct? Mark at Riv rides fast lightweight Rivs for racing as does Kris Kostman,don't know if he races anymore but he rides a Rodeo. I have defintly noticed a difference in my overall performance by shaving some weight off of my bike, Saluki 650b, plus me actually riding more. I raced in the early 90's on a carbon fiber Kestral and it was a very fast bike but not very versatile. Versatility was not my concern then,attitude was! Fastest bike I ever owned and raced was a Yamaguchi track bike made of steel. Most people don't race,lets face it. Would they be more comfortable on a Riv? The answer is yes. The Bleriot was an attempt to get people back on lugged. I think Grant was just a bit early on that one. It might have caught on now though. RIDE ON FELLOW RIVS On Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:38:15 AM UTC-4, stevef wrote: From none other than BIKE magazine, one of the best mtb mags. out there... http://www.bikemag.com/news/reviewed-just-ri -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/285pUZAw6T4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
I make no apologies for my divisiveness about CF forks. Any product supporting the front wheel of a bicycle which snaps instead of bending is stupid. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/GxfinhsvKtkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
Here's a vote for wisdom. You paint a picture of a beautiful area to ride in; why hurry? And the results of a crash at the speeds you describe are painful at the least and involve a long time off the bike. If that's not enough, consider damage to the bike. There's a reason those downhill racers wear all the protective gear plus motorcycle helmets. dougP On Jul 13, 7:53 am, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not a particularly anxious person, although I do get anxious when someone compliments my courage! I regularly downhill at 40+ mph and have hit 50 on good pavement and reasonably straight mountain descents without too much anxiety, but one hill this year has me spooked. One of my favorite routes is a 23 mile ride with 1400 feet of climbing that is equally divided among lightly traveled good dirt roads, mostly descent chip seal town roads, and a third of moderately traveled state roads. It provides beautiful pastoral scenery, a good view of the whole of the Mt. Mansfield ridge line, and a stretch along the Lamoille River, including the impressive Fairfax Falls. In the past I have always ridden it counter clockwise, which includes a beast of a 3K climb, including a K of 20%+ grade right in the middle. This year I reversed direction and have been riding it clockwise on my Rambouillet, with a very nice set of Grand Bois Cerf tires. The first time down it I discovered the pavement on the steepest section was not in good condition, no pot holes or heaves, just lots of broken chip and seal. The bumping was quite dramatic and I felt like one good hole could toss me over the handle bars. Garmin was showing 47.5 when I lightly squeezed the rear brake. Fortunately the Paul's Racers have excellent modulation and I safely slowed enough to feel OK. But when I got to the bottom I asked myself why I chickened out, since I was just fine, and thought that the next time I would lay off the brakes. But this hasn't happened. Instead each time I have gone down it, I have gone slower and slower. Today I took out my Trek, which has 32 mm TServes to see if I would feel more comfortable at higher speeds with the softer tire. But when I got to the top of the hill I realized I had no real taste for the experiment. I went down at 25, until I could see the good pavement at the bottom and then I let it roll out to 39. So I ask myself, is this wisdom, or just yielding to irrational anxiety. Michael Westford, VT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] New Pletscher Zoom Kickstand
This might be old news to some, but Pletscher redesigned their one-legged kickstandhttp://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2012/07/pletscher-zoom-kick-stand.html. I got one from and LBS the other day, put it on my Hillborne and couldn't be more pleased with it. It seems to be a lot more stable and is adjustable without any cutting. Marc -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/fF0OP6wkFvwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Gary Taubes NYT, reviews new pro lo carb study
Thanks Aaron, Great find and thought-provoking interview. Toshi On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: For a different take on the question of cortisol and C-reactive protein, check out this interview with Dr. Ron Rosedale: http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2012/06/30/ron-rosedale-comments-on-new-harvard-study Aaron -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
I've been riding the '99 gofast which of all my three bikes probably gets the least use (since most of my riding is get-to-there riding), and I find every time that any thoughts of converting it into a more utilitarian steed vanish when I find myself climbing hills that I usually walk (72 '03 fixed) or gear down to ~30 (Fargo) to climb (and this with the 75 fixed!) and find myself pushing the higher gear as fast as lower ones against winds and inclines. My legs are sore today from the last few days' of pushing that 75 gear, uphill and against wind, harder than I had anticipated doing. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:26 AM, hobie moho1...@yahoo.com wrote: Havn't read the book yet. Though I really appreciate what Rivendell is about. All of us on this list are big fans correct? Mark at Riv rides fast lightweight Rivs for racing as does Kris Kostman,don't know if he races anymore but he rides a Rodeo. I have defintly noticed a difference in my overall performance by shaving some weight off of my bike, -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
I appreciate Joe and Grant's passion about carbon forks in particular. I appreciate it because of my perception of the motive. In my opinion, those who rail hard against carbon forks believe strongly that if 100% of carbon forks were replaced today by steel forks, that the number of skulls that hit the pavement will drop. Wanting fewer skulls on the pavement is a noble motive. Grant has taken that to the American conclusion of commitment, putting his money where his mouth is, and losing money on selling steel forks to those that will take their carbon forks out of circulation forever. When I hear somebody like Joe or Grant say carbon forks are stupid, I take it the same way as I do when my wife says riding a motorcycle on 880 is stupid. She's making a blunt statement borne from the feeling that there's a good person that will be injured (or worse), and she just wishes that person would be content *not* riding that motorcycle on 880. On Friday, July 13, 2012 9:39:55 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: I make no apologies for my divisiveness about CF forks. Any product supporting the front wheel of a bicycle which snaps instead of bending is stupid. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Z99u6KPMtL4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: A Tire Pressure App
The artwork was all Philip's doing. I am still pleasantly surprised and thoroughly impressed by what he came up with. He's posted full-size pics at his blog -- Herehttp://www.biketinker.com/2012/projects/bike-silhouettes-for-the-tire-pressure-app/ And here http://www.biketinker.com/2012/projects/bike-silhouette-classic/ Inside baseball alert. Technically there's no difference in calculation between Classic Road and Modern Racer. Originally I called it American Road, in keeping with the Dutch City French Randonneur convention. Before seeing Philip's artwork it never occurred to me to make a distinction, but after seeing the others I had to have one of my own. :-) Regards, -Allan On Friday, July 13, 2012 2:06:28 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote: Okay. Figured some of it out on my own, and went to the garage last night and let out enough air to get to the suggested values. We'll see how they ride. I like the images of each bike type, btw. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/p3YAy9aAEcQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
In fairness to Grant re: the helmet issue, I've seen him headed up Mt. Diablo with one strapped to the bars. It's safe to assume it's not still on the bars on the way down.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/3wOw0-HYJpoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: RB2 - 650B, possible free delivery
It's a 62 cm frame with mostly new parts. I got the stock 1994 bike on ebay in 2008, and it had seen very little use. Here are 10 photos of its configuration: http://www.flickr.com/photos/46035786@N07/sets/72157630560395204/ After getting it, I immediately started adding new parts to it to expand its versatility. In the configuration as described below, the bike has been ridden less than 50 miles as you see from the tire tread. I could never make the bike comfortable for me, since 62 cm is simply not my frame size. I am 6'4. So the bike has been stored inside at my house unridden with the following components, most of which are still in excellent condition: I widened the gear range with a Sugino XD in front and 13-28 in the rear shifted with LX front and Tiagra rear. I put on a new chain. 7 speed rear. Front is 24-36-46. Added Shimano bar-end 7-speed shifters Kept the original RX100 brake levers. Switched the stem to Technomic Deluxe 120 mm Switched the handlebars to Nitto Noodles Switched the seat to a Selle San Marcos Regal, titanium rails Upon learning that the frame wouldn't fit 700x28 tires easily in the front, I converted it to 650B by adding the following: Velocity Twin Hollow Wheelset from Rivendell. Tiagra hubs. Nifty Swifty tires - 650B x 32.8 mm - still in excellent condition Silver brakes - used less than 50 miles The frame has no dents that I can see. I have owned it since 2008 with no mishaps. There a couple of small paint scratches that I could photograph for interested parties. There is no chainstay bridge in the rear, so fender-mounting might be less user-friendly there. Asking $950 I would prefer to avoid shipping by selling to someone who lives in California. I can deliver the bike to a buyer who lives in northern or southern California. If the sale happens in the first week of August, I can possibly deliver to Oregon as well. If you are interested and contact me this weekend, I will be on a weekend bike tour, and I will attempt to check e-mail over phone. Therefore, on the weekend, my responses will not be immediate, but I will attempt to reply the same day. It may depend on my cell phone reception. By Monday, I'll be back to normal. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
Well, If thats how you are measuring things, i've had two steel froks bend. One aluminum fork come unglued. I've never had a carbon fork bend, break, snap or do anything other that work 100% perfectly. I've had plenty of all three type going back to my first EMS fork in the early 90s. Guess how stupid that is. I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: I make no apologies for my divisiveness about CF forks. Any product supporting the front wheel of a bicycle which snaps instead of bending is stupid. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Best 700c X FAT fenders?
Patrick, I run 60mm Berthoud Fenders with my Atlantis and there's
still a good amount of room for 28x50 mm Fat Franks.
When the Fat Franks wear down enough (sometime in the next 4 years) or
I get bored (at a whim) I intend to mount 60mm tires and expect no
problems at all.
Photos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/7483114388/
and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/7481239068/
Amit
On Jul 11, 10:48 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
That is excessively cool! Please post photos of the naked chick flaps,
too (or was that MTBR post someone else's?).
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Shifty 1upand1d...@gmail.com wrote:
Patrick,
In terms of sturdiness, I can vouch for the PBs by way of cutting them in
half, drilling multiple holes, then riveting together to form 4 inch wide
fenders! This is certainly not an original technique of mine but rather one
employed by several of us fat bike owners that desire the use of fenders.
http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/fatty-fenders-muk-742418.html Seriously
though, these things are tough!
Shifty
On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:07:26 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
What are the widest 700c fenders available -- the 60 mm Planet Bike
ones? And of those available, which are the best in terms of value and
sturdiness? I don't need very long ones since I generally amputate the
rear to end just aft of the rack and, in front, prefer to use a long
flap that will not be damaged by hitting obstacles.
-- For the Fargo, now that our monsoon is here.
('Nother question: for your Fargo owners or former owners: what have
you found to be the best weight distribution, front vs rear, for loads
of 30 to 50 lb?)
Thanks.
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[RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
On Friday, July 13, 2012 11:03:39 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I appreciate Joe and Grant's passion about carbon forks in particular. I appreciate it because of my perception of the motive. In my opinion, those who rail hard against carbon forks believe strongly that if 100% of carbon forks were replaced today by steel forks, that the number of skulls that hit the pavement will drop. Wanting fewer skulls on the pavement is a noble motive. Oh boy, the paranoid are out today! Its interesting that with the Internet and *World Wide Web,* we really don't hear that much about all the number of skulls that hit the pavement. As Andy Muzi of Yellow Jersey.org and as a bike owner not only sells, but sees tons of CF forks, stated: I was among the wailing fork Cassandras ten+ years ago but you'll have to admit that 'failed cheap carbon fork' doesn't happen with statistically significant frequency nowadays. By that I mean you, as a service tech, may or may not have seen one. One! And surely not a few every week. The first high-volume runs of them are now well beyond warranty and we'll assume the usual clumsy abusive riders own these as own everything else. Bottom line - there are tens of thousand, no strike that, hundred of thousands or more CF forks on the road. Guess what, very few reported problemsHowever, if you're paranoid about CF, then stay away; far far away! Grant has taken that to the American conclusion of commitment, putting his money where his mouth is, and losing money on selling steel forks to those that will take their carbon forks out of circulation forever. Really, Grant is losing money selling his steel forks: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/carbonomas.htm At $200, I seriously doubt Grant/Riv is losing any money?! In fact, his fork sure looks alot like the Surly Steamroller fork here: http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=6990 When somebody like Joe or Grant say carbon forks are stupid, I take it the same way as I do when my wife says riding a motorcycle on 880 is stupid. She's making a blunt statement borne from the feeling that there's a good person that will be injured (or worse), and she just wishes that person would be content *not* riding that motorcycle on 880. Yes, something we agree on: stay off of 880, whether you're on a bike, motorcycle or car! Good luck! On Friday, July 13, 2012 9:39:55 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: I make no apologies for my divisiveness about CF forks. Any product supporting the front wheel of a bicycle which snaps instead of bending is stupid. On Friday, July 13, 2012 11:03:39 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I appreciate Joe and Grant's passion about carbon forks in particular. I appreciate it because of my perception of the motive. In my opinion, those who rail hard against carbon forks believe strongly that if 100% of carbon forks were replaced today by steel forks, that the number of skulls that hit the pavement will drop. Wanting fewer skulls on the pavement is a noble motive. Grant has taken that to the American conclusion of commitment, putting his money where his mouth is, and losing money on selling steel forks to those that will take their carbon forks out of circulation forever. When I hear somebody like Joe or Grant say carbon forks are stupid, I take it the same way as I do when my wife says riding a motorcycle on 880 is stupid. She's making a blunt statement borne from the feeling that there's a good person that will be injured (or worse), and she just wishes that person would be content *not* riding that motorcycle on 880. On Friday, July 13, 2012 9:39:55 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: I make no apologies for my divisiveness about CF forks. Any product supporting the front wheel of a bicycle which snaps instead of bending is stupid. On Friday, July 13, 2012 11:03:39 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I appreciate Joe and Grant's passion about carbon forks in particular. I appreciate it because of my perception of the motive. In my opinion, those who rail hard against carbon forks believe strongly that if 100% of carbon forks were replaced today by steel forks, that the number of skulls that hit the pavement will drop. Wanting fewer skulls on the pavement is a noble motive. Grant has taken that to the American conclusion of commitment, putting his money where his mouth is, and losing money on selling steel forks to those that will take their carbon forks out of circulation forever. When I hear somebody like Joe or Grant say carbon forks are stupid, I take it the same way as I do when my wife says riding a motorcycle on 880 is stupid. She's making a blunt statement borne from the feeling that there's a good person that will be injured (or worse), and she just wishes that person would be content *not* riding that motorcycle on 880. On Friday, July 13, 2012 9:39:55 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott Its like you know us...oh wait, you don't. So stop being so condescending. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: Well, If thats how you are measuring things, i've had two steel froks bend. One aluminum fork come unglued. I've never had a carbon fork bend, break, snap or do anything other that work 100% perfectly. I've had plenty of all three type going back to my first EMS fork in the early 90s. Guess how stupid that is. I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: I make no apologies for my divisiveness about CF forks. Any product supporting the front wheel of a bicycle which snaps instead of bending is stupid. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Best 700c X FAT fenders?
Thanks for the photos and description, Amit. Good to know that I have
at least a couple of options. I'm rather leaning toward the PB
Cascadias right now as much for aesthetics (or lack thereof: the Fargo
has black racks, black stem and black seatpost) but I will take a
closer look at the B's before I decide.
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Amit Singh asd...@gmail.com wrote:
Patrick, I run 60mm Berthoud Fenders with my Atlantis and there's
still a good amount of room for 28x50 mm Fat Franks.
When the Fat Franks wear down enough (sometime in the next 4 years) or
I get bored (at a whim) I intend to mount 60mm tires and expect no
problems at all.
Photos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/7483114388/
and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/7481239068/
Amit
On Jul 11, 10:48 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
That is excessively cool! Please post photos of the naked chick flaps,
too (or was that MTBR post someone else's?).
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Shifty 1upand1d...@gmail.com wrote:
Patrick,
In terms of sturdiness, I can vouch for the PBs by way of cutting them in
half, drilling multiple holes, then riveting together to form 4 inch wide
fenders! This is certainly not an original technique of mine but rather one
employed by several of us fat bike owners that desire the use of fenders.
http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/fatty-fenders-muk-742418.html Seriously
though, these things are tough!
Shifty
On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:07:26 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
What are the widest 700c fenders available -- the 60 mm Planet Bike
ones? And of those available, which are the best in terms of value and
sturdiness? I don't need very long ones since I generally amputate the
rear to end just aft of the rack and, in front, prefer to use a long
flap that will not be damaged by hitting obstacles.
-- For the Fargo, now that our monsoon is here.
('Nother question: for your Fargo owners or former owners: what have
you found to be the best weight distribution, front vs rear, for loads
of 30 to 50 lb?)
Thanks.
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[RBW] Re: FS: RB2 - 650B, possible free delivery - pedals not included
Dear Listmembers, Sorry for forgetting the following two details on the for-sale listing: Pedals not included. Payment through Paypal please. -Jim alliteration W. On Jul 13, 2012, at 11:49 AM, James Warren wrote: It's a 62 cm frame with mostly new parts. I got the stock 1994 bike on ebay in 2008, and it had seen very little use. Here are 10 photos of its configuration: http://www.flickr.com/photos/46035786@N07/sets/72157630560395204/ After getting it, I immediately started adding new parts to it to expand its versatility. In the configuration as described below, the bike has been ridden less than 50 miles as you see from the tire tread. I could never make the bike comfortable for me, since 62 cm is simply not my frame size. I am 6'4. So the bike has been stored inside at my house unridden with the following components, most of which are still in excellent condition: I widened the gear range with a Sugino XD in front and 13-28 in the rear shifted with LX front and Tiagra rear. I put on a new chain. 7 speed rear. Front is 24-36-46. Added Shimano bar-end 7-speed shifters Kept the original RX100 brake levers. Switched the stem to Technomic Deluxe 120 mm Switched the handlebars to Nitto Noodles Switched the seat to a Selle San Marcos Regal, titanium rails Upon learning that the frame wouldn't fit 700x28 tires easily in the front, I converted it to 650B by adding the following: Velocity Twin Hollow Wheelset from Rivendell. Tiagra hubs. Nifty Swifty tires - 650B x 32.8 mm - still in excellent condition Silver brakes - used less than 50 miles The frame has no dents that I can see. I have owned it since 2008 with no mishaps. There a couple of small paint scratches that I could photograph for interested parties. There is no chainstay bridge in the rear, so fender-mounting might be less user-friendly there. Asking $950 I would prefer to avoid shipping by selling to someone who lives in California. I can deliver the bike to a buyer who lives in northern or southern California. If the sale happens in the first week of August, I can possibly deliver to Oregon as well. If you are interested and contact me this weekend, I will be on a weekend bike tour, and I will attempt to check e-mail over phone. Therefore, on the weekend, my responses will not be immediate, but I will attempt to reply the same day. It may depend on my cell phone reception. By Monday, I'll be back to normal. Thanks! James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - Remember, my friends, it is better to feel fast than to be fast. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
Oh I am not one to harp on people for not wearing one but I treat mine like seatbelt, i just strap it on before I go out. I am not sure what the big deal is about wearing a helmet though. Back in the day they sucked and made you sweat like crazy but these new ones are nice and Airy although maybe not cool but that is the least of my concerns when I am out riding. I do make my daughter wear one but again just treat it like part of the routine so as to not make it a thing. Everyone else in the whole world can wear one or not as far as I am concerned. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: In fairness to Grant re: the helmet issue, I've seen him headed up Mt. Diablo with one strapped to the bars. It's safe to assume it's not still on the bars on the way down.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/3wOw0-HYJpoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
Nope, I don't personally know too many people on this list. I have only met a few so personally so I have to judge the group based upon what people here post. I'll say that without a doubt, there are many bicycling fans here but ,OVERALL, the group is very focused only on one type of bike. Its just weird to me that here and on the iBob list there are many people who only consider bicycles that fit into the Riv stereotype. Now on the old serrota list (now The Paceline Forum) and even on velocipede salon they tend to appriciate all bikes. Those two groups most definately cater towards the faster crowd but they also apreciate and enjoy the Riv type of slow, heavy, comfort bicycles. As for what started my intial post, who here has had a carbon frame/fork break, fail or bend? OK, now who here has had a steel frame/fork break, bend or fail? As for me, I will keep riding all types of bicycles not just those of one small type. Scott Henry Dayton, OH come see me On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote: I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott Its like you know us...oh wait, you don't. So stop being so condescending. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: Well, If thats how you are measuring things, i've had two steel froks bend. One aluminum fork come unglued. I've never had a carbon fork bend, break, snap or do anything other that work 100% perfectly. I've had plenty of all three type going back to my first EMS fork in the early 90s. Guess how stupid that is. I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.comwrote: I make no apologies for my divisiveness about CF forks. Any product supporting the front wheel of a bicycle which snaps instead of bending is stupid. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
Well I dont want to call this a troll post like they would at BikeForums but come on this is the Rivendell owners bunch so I would say they are focused on one type of bike, mainly Rivendells. While most of us own other bikes coming to this list and expecting people to rave about thier CAAD10 would be pretty silly. Oh and my bike is neither slow nor heavy, I am slow and heavy, but it sure is comfortable. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: Nope, I don't personally know too many people on this list. I have only met a few so personally so I have to judge the group based upon what people here post. I'll say that without a doubt, there are many bicycling fans here but ,OVERALL, the group is very focused only on one type of bike. Its just weird to me that here and on the iBob list there are many people who only consider bicycles that fit into the Riv stereotype. Now on the old serrota list (now The Paceline Forum) and even on velocipede salon they tend to appriciate all bikes. Those two groups most definately cater towards the faster crowd but they also apreciate and enjoy the Riv type of slow, heavy, comfort bicycles. As for what started my intial post, who here has had a carbon frame/fork break, fail or bend? OK, now who here has had a steel frame/fork break, bend or fail? As for me, I will keep riding all types of bicycles not just those of one small type. Scott Henry Dayton, OH come see me On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote: I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott Its like you know us...oh wait, you don't. So stop being so condescending. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: Well, If thats how you are measuring things, i've had two steel froks bend. One aluminum fork come unglued. I've never had a carbon fork bend, break, snap or do anything other that work 100% perfectly. I've had plenty of all three type going back to my first EMS fork in the early 90s. Guess how stupid that is. I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.comwrote: I make no apologies for my divisiveness about CF forks. Any product supporting the front wheel of a bicycle which snaps instead of bending is stupid. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
Not sure where you got slow comfort bikes from. As for talking about rivs.. It is the Rivendell group ... So do you complain on the Ford group that they don't like Chevys. Probably.. :) Actually I have many bikes in the garage... Steel aluminum, and carbon. I've had two carbon frames break, one carbon fork, two carbon stems, one seat post break. Haven't broke the others yet I am not afraid to ride carbon , just not fond of the way it fails. I'm an obnoxious opinionated jerk.. And blame it on women in general.. What's your excuse. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kqbSXfogzrsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 07:53 -0700, Michael Hechmer wrote: So I ask myself, is this wisdom, or just yielding to irrational anxiety. wisdom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
Absolutely this is a Rivendell list. And I own a Quickbeam and I bought the book (and give it a moderate review). But I also have a Cannondale CAAD 6 too. And a Trek OCLV and a Kogswell P and a Schwinn unicycle and tandem and many more, my favorite is my Handsome Speedy. They are all bikes and and I enjoy riding them all. Not one of them is bad, even though quite a few aren't steel. None of them have even exploded underneath me will I was riding. Not even the race bikes which have been crashed numerous times. We are forgetting the title of the book. Just RideHe didnt title it Just Ride : only if your bike looks like one that I sell Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote: Well I dont want to call this a troll post like they would at BikeForums but come on this is the Rivendell owners bunch so I would say they are focused on one type of bike, mainly Rivendells. While most of us own other bikes coming to this list and expecting people to rave about thier CAAD10 would be pretty silly. Oh and my bike is neither slow nor heavy, I am slow and heavy, but it sure is comfortable. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: Nope, I don't personally know too many people on this list. I have only met a few so personally so I have to judge the group based upon what people here post. I'll say that without a doubt, there are many bicycling fans here but ,OVERALL, the group is very focused only on one type of bike. Its just weird to me that here and on the iBob list there are many people who only consider bicycles that fit into the Riv stereotype. Now on the old serrota list (now The Paceline Forum) and even on velocipede salon they tend to appriciate all bikes. Those two groups most definately cater towards the faster crowd but they also apreciate and enjoy the Riv type of slow, heavy, comfort bicycles. As for what started my intial post, who here has had a carbon frame/fork break, fail or bend? OK, now who here has had a steel frame/fork break, bend or fail? As for me, I will keep riding all types of bicycles not just those of one small type. Scott Henry Dayton, OH come see me On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote: I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott Its like you know us...oh wait, you don't. So stop being so condescending. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: Well, If thats how you are measuring things, i've had two steel froks bend. One aluminum fork come unglued. I've never had a carbon fork bend, break, snap or do anything other that work 100% perfectly. I've had plenty of all three type going back to my first EMS fork in the early 90s. Guess how stupid that is. I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.comwrote: I make no apologies for my divisiveness about CF forks. Any product supporting the front wheel of a bicycle which snaps instead of bending is stupid. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group,
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
I have no problems talking about Rivs, I do it routinely. I have a problem talking bad about carbon because someone told you not to like it. A bike is a bike. Ride them all. Don't talk anyone out of riding anything. And personally, I like obnoxious women. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure where you got slow comfort bikes from. As for talking about rivs.. It is the Rivendell group ... So do you complain on the Ford group that they don't like Chevys. Probably.. :) Actually I have many bikes in the garage... Steel aluminum, and carbon. I've had two carbon frames break, one carbon fork, two carbon stems, one seat post break. Haven't broke the others yet I am not afraid to ride carbon , just not fond of the way it fails. I'm an obnoxious opinionated jerk.. And blame it on women in general.. What's your excuse. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kqbSXfogzrsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
Brewster Fong Seriously? I didn't say I'm afraid of Carbon Forks. I didn't say anything bad about carbon. Did you even read what I posted? I said that when people gripe against carbon, I take it as concern for the well being of cyclists. I've ridden a carbon frame and a few carbon forks, and have never had a problem. I'm explaining how I don't take it personal when somebody talks bad about carbon. Apparently you do take it personal, because you insult me as a paranoiac for something that I did not write. Regarding the finances of designing and developing three models of custom forks all made in low volume, I am merely guessing that Rivendell has not recouped its investment. Good Luck! On Friday, July 13, 2012 11:51:54 AM UTC-7, Brewster Fong wrote: On Friday, July 13, 2012 11:03:39 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I appreciate Joe and Grant's passion about carbon forks in particular. I appreciate it because of my perception of the motive. In my opinion, those who rail hard against carbon forks believe strongly that if 100% of carbon forks were replaced today by steel forks, that the number of skulls that hit the pavement will drop. Wanting fewer skulls on the pavement is a noble motive. Oh boy, the paranoid are out today! Its interesting that with the Internet and *World Wide Web,* we really don't hear that much about all the number of skulls that hit the pavement. As Andy Muzi of Yellow Jersey.org and as a bike owner not only sells, but sees tons of CF forks, stated: I was among the wailing fork Cassandras ten+ years ago but you'll have to admit that 'failed cheap carbon fork' doesn't happen with statistically significant frequency nowadays. By that I mean you, as a service tech, may or may not have seen one. One! And surely not a few every week. The first high-volume runs of them are now well beyond warranty and we'll assume the usual clumsy abusive riders own these as own everything else. Bottom line - there are tens of thousand, no strike that, hundred of thousands or more CF forks on the road. Guess what, very few reported problemsHowever, if you're paranoid about CF, then stay away; far far away! Grant has taken that to the American conclusion of commitment, putting his money where his mouth is, and losing money on selling steel forks to those that will take their carbon forks out of circulation forever. Really, Grant is losing money selling his steel forks: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/carbonomas.htm At $200, I seriously doubt Grant/Riv is losing any money?! In fact, his fork sure looks alot like the Surly Steamroller fork here: http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=6990 When somebody like Joe or Grant say carbon forks are stupid, I take it the same way as I do when my wife says riding a motorcycle on 880 is stupid. She's making a blunt statement borne from the feeling that there's a good person that will be injured (or worse), and she just wishes that person would be content *not* riding that motorcycle on 880. Yes, something we agree on: stay off of 880, whether you're on a bike, motorcycle or car! Good luck! On Friday, July 13, 2012 9:39:55 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: I make no apologies for my divisiveness about CF forks. Any product supporting the front wheel of a bicycle which snaps instead of bending is stupid. On Friday, July 13, 2012 11:03:39 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I appreciate Joe and Grant's passion about carbon forks in particular. I appreciate it because of my perception of the motive. In my opinion, those who rail hard against carbon forks believe strongly that if 100% of carbon forks were replaced today by steel forks, that the number of skulls that hit the pavement will drop. Wanting fewer skulls on the pavement is a noble motive. Grant has taken that to the American conclusion of commitment, putting his money where his mouth is, and losing money on selling steel forks to those that will take their carbon forks out of circulation forever. When I hear somebody like Joe or Grant say carbon forks are stupid, I take it the same way as I do when my wife says riding a motorcycle on 880 is stupid. She's making a blunt statement borne from the feeling that there's a good person that will be injured (or worse), and she just wishes that person would be content *not* riding that motorcycle on 880. On Friday, July 13, 2012 9:39:55 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: I make no apologies for my divisiveness about CF forks. Any product supporting the front wheel of a bicycle which snaps instead of bending is stupid. On Friday, July 13, 2012 11:03:39 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I appreciate Joe and Grant's passion about carbon forks in particular. I appreciate it because of my perception of the motive. In my opinion, those who rail hard against carbon forks believe strongly that if 100% of
Re: [RBW] Re: Gary Taubes NYT, reviews new pro lo carb study
I am writing this on my phone, so forgive the oddities please. My experience: I bought Gary Taubes' book from Rivendell last summer. I came to the book after my cholesterol rose over the last few years my doctor wanted me to start statins. I am 6ft weighed 192 lbs. After reading much beyond the book, a cycling buddy Eric, his business friend John, and I all decided to try it. Giving up sugar in all its forms was difficult. Eggs almonds kept me on track. Very quickly we started losing weight. I modified my diet by eating some fruit and beans, so I was not low low carb. Still I was much lower than previously, no sugar, cereals, bread, rice, pasta. Lots more veges, nuts, some more meat. By September I weighed 184 stayed there through the winter. My cholesterol, ldl remained unchanged, hdl rose, triglycerides dropped dramatically. This spring I increased my cycling a lot to prepare for a tour. My weight dropped again to 175, or about 8% loss from last summer. Buddies Eric John have had more dramatic loss, at 15 to 20%. Other effects we have noticed, aerobic effort is different on fat vs carbs, less top end but no bonk. Muscle cramps are more common but are managed with massage increased salt. Hunger is much more manageable, less urgent. Skipping a meal is not a crisis. My summer alergies have dissapeared. My dentist noticed much less buildup on my teeth. Overall we ate thrilled with the results. Sugar is toxic! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/zGnDGT45ul8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
Uh, I have a problem with the CF fork because it's a shock-absorbing device attached to the front wheel that snaps if something goes wrong with it. It seems like a ridiculous application of the material to me. I'm less concerned about CF for the frame..the loads are spread out more, and a broken tube somewhere on it is less likely to put you on the ground. It's that long, thin lever on the front that worries me, and I'm more than entitled to worry about it. As for types of bikes, I have an aluminum modern go-fast, an aluminum MTB, and several steel Bridgestones in various stages of Rivendell-ism. They all have steel forks. You wanna hear about my Motobecane disk-brake road bike? Meet me at The Paceline. Talking about it here is off-topic. On Friday, July 13, 2012 1:04:02 PM UTC-7, Skenry wrote: I have no problems talking about Rivs, I do it routinely. I have a problem talking bad about carbon because someone told you not to like it. A bike is a bike. Ride them all. Don't talk anyone out of riding anything. And personally, I like obnoxious women. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure where you got slow comfort bikes from. As for talking about rivs.. It is the Rivendell group ... So do you complain on the Ford group that they don't like Chevys. Probably.. :) Actually I have many bikes in the garage... Steel aluminum, and carbon. I've had two carbon frames break, one carbon fork, two carbon stems, one seat post break. Haven't broke the others yet I am not afraid to ride carbon , just not fond of the way it fails. I'm an obnoxious opinionated jerk.. And blame it on women in general.. What's your excuse. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kqbSXfogzrsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. On Friday, July 13, 2012 1:04:02 PM UTC-7, Skenry wrote: I have no problems talking about Rivs, I do it routinely. I have a problem talking bad about carbon because someone told you not to like it. A bike is a bike. Ride them all. Don't talk anyone out of riding anything. And personally, I like obnoxious women. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure where you got slow comfort bikes from. As for talking about rivs.. It is the Rivendell group ... So do you complain on the Ford group that they don't like Chevys. Probably.. :) Actually I have many bikes in the garage... Steel aluminum, and carbon. I've had two carbon frames break, one carbon fork, two carbon stems, one seat post break. Haven't broke the others yet I am not afraid to ride carbon , just not fond of the way it fails. I'm an obnoxious opinionated jerk.. And blame it on women in general.. What's your excuse. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kqbSXfogzrsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/gBAJbeN77f4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: RB2 - 650B, possible free delivery - pedals not included
I had one of those in '94 (I worked at Missing Link and we bought every bike we could when Bridgestone shut it down). That was a splendid road bike. That was my first compact double. I ran it with a 50/36 and it was like whoa! This is like a LOT better! On Friday, July 13, 2012 1:40:09 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: Ahh, the blue '94. Not my size, but man that sure is pretty. Bridgestone must not have sold many that color in their last year because I *never*see these. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, July 13, 2012 12:05:12 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: Dear Listmembers, Sorry for forgetting the following two details on the for-sale listing: Pedals not included. Payment through Paypal please. -Jim alliteration W. On Jul 13, 2012, at 11:49 AM, James Warren wrote: It's a 62 cm frame with mostly new parts. I got the stock 1994 bike on ebay in 2008, and it had seen very little use. Here are 10 photos of its configuration: http://www.flickr.com/photos/46035786@N07/sets/72157630560395204/ After getting it, I immediately started adding new parts to it to expand its versatility. In the configuration as described below, the bike has been ridden less than 50 miles as you see from the tire tread. I could never make the bike comfortable for me, since 62 cm is simply not my frame size. I am 6'4. So the bike has been stored inside at my house unridden with the following components, most of which are still in excellent condition: I widened the gear range with a Sugino XD in front and 13-28 in the rear shifted with LX front and Tiagra rear. I put on a new chain. 7 speed rear. Front is 24-36-46. Added Shimano bar-end 7-speed shifters Kept the original RX100 brake levers. Switched the stem to Technomic Deluxe 120 mm Switched the handlebars to Nitto Noodles Switched the seat to a Selle San Marcos Regal, titanium rails Upon learning that the frame wouldn't fit 700x28 tires easily in the front, I converted it to 650B by adding the following: Velocity Twin Hollow Wheelset from Rivendell. Tiagra hubs. Nifty Swifty tires - 650B x 32.8 mm - still in excellent condition Silver brakes - used less than 50 miles The frame has no dents that I can see. I have owned it since 2008 with no mishaps. There a couple of small paint scratches that I could photograph for interested parties. There is no chainstay bridge in the rear, so fender-mounting might be less user-friendly there. Asking $950 I would prefer to avoid shipping by selling to someone who lives in California. I can deliver the bike to a buyer who lives in northern or southern California. If the sale happens in the first week of August, I can possibly deliver to Oregon as well. If you are interested and contact me this weekend, I will be on a weekend bike tour, and I will attempt to check e-mail over phone. Therefore, on the weekend, my responses will not be immediate, but I will attempt to reply the same day. It may depend on my cell phone reception. By Monday, I'll be back to normal. Thanks! James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - Remember, my friends, it is better to feel fast than to be fast. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Uud44Wb8O3oJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Shock cord arrangement ideas for the Baggins handlebar bag
Bag has been claimed. Thanks! -joe On Jul 12, 2012 2:47 PM, Joe Broach joebro...@gmail.com wrote: This thread reminded me that I have a Boxy + F15 + map case on the shelf. Make me an offer if you're interested in the set! https://picasaweb.google.com/joebroach/BikeStuffForSale Best, joe broach portland, or -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
Well we are all adults here and people can talk all the shit they want about anything, CF, ALU, steel and yes even Rivendells and I doubt anyone needs a shepherd so they don't start believing the wrong thing. Unless you make or sell CF rigs not sure why this is getting so personal. I doubt anyone is going to convert anyone else over to thier camp here anyway. On Jul 13, 2012 4:04 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: I have no problems talking about Rivs, I do it routinely. I have a problem talking bad about carbon because someone told you not to like it. A bike is a bike. Ride them all. Don't talk anyone out of riding anything. And personally, I like obnoxious women. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure where you got slow comfort bikes from. As for talking about rivs.. It is the Rivendell group ... So do you complain on the Ford group that they don't like Chevys. Probably.. :) Actually I have many bikes in the garage... Steel aluminum, and carbon. I've had two carbon frames break, one carbon fork, two carbon stems, one seat post break. Haven't broke the others yet I am not afraid to ride carbon , just not fond of the way it fails. I'm an obnoxious opinionated jerk.. And blame it on women in general.. What's your excuse. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kqbSXfogzrsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] (SF Bay Area) Tire trade
I am looking to do some underbiking on my Ram and put different rubber on my XOll-Rounder so I decided to check here for used/uneeded/etc tires. Does anyone in the SF area happen to have an extra set of 700x35 Pasela/Tserv/etc? How about one or more Schwalbe Marathon 26x1.5 (or similar)? I offer in trade - used but not used-up: pair of Fatty Rumpkins 650bX40ish and/or a pair of Ruffy Tuffy 700x27c tires. Thanks JL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/147I6PP8AhgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: a frame that is subsidizing my purchase of a Roadeo
I'm reducing the price on this to $1,100 (down from $1,250). Deal includes Salsa La Cruz Ti (titanium) 58 cm frame, Salsa cyclocross steel fork, Cane Creek Aheadset, Shimano Ultegra front derailer, Tektro CR720 brakes, AND free shipping in/to the Lower 48. Oh, and I can now take PayPal payment. Thanks, -- Forrest On Sunday, July 8, 2012 6:21:07 PM UTC-5, Forrest wrote: Okay, this is a posting to sell a non-RBW frame set (plus extras), but the Riv-related part is that sale of this frame set is helping to subsidize my recent purchase of a Roadeo frame. And this Salsa La Cruz Ti frame was built up with lots of parts acquired from RBW, and the thing is in the spirit of practicality and flexibility (will take fenders, will take tires up to 38mm, can be used for multiple purposes). And I still do see some frames and bikes sold on this list that are not RBW. Salsa La Cruz Ti (58cm) frame and fork. Fork is Salsa's cyclocross steel fork. Extras included are: -- Headset -- Nice Shimano front derailer (works well with compact double) -- Tektro CR720 cantilever brakes Photos here, including a couple of the bike built up and with bags on it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10076072@N03/sets/72157630485665036/with/7080066443/ Salsa has some archived info here: http://salsacycles.com/bikes/la_cruz_ti_2011/ Salsa no longer makes this frame. They were $1,900 when new (without the extras I am including). You can find new ones online now for $1,800, I think. I am the second owner of this frame, but I don't think it can be more than 2.5 years old max. I have had it for 8 or 9 months and put several hundred miles on it. I am selling it not because I didn't like it (I really did) but because of my rigid personal rule of owning no more than two bikes at a time. Asking $1,250, which will include professional packing and shipping to CONUSA. I can't use my PayPal account right now (working through some security issues) but might have that resolved soon. Otherwise we could work something out on payment. I have bought and sold a lot of stuff on this list over the years, and I think I have a pretty good reputation for fair dealing. Happy to try to answer questions off-list. Thanks. Forrest Meyer -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HqDLFUtAy5QJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: RB2 - 650B, possible free delivery - pedals not included
Dude, you're killin me. I remember staring at a blue one at Missing Link that year. I ended up with a plum XO-3 from you guys that was too small for me because I was mental over XOs. BIG mistake. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/pKMtZrPvT3MJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
I have a friend who had a carbon frame break (madone right at the bottom bracket, bike was unrideable, he was bummed), have witnessed a carbon fork break at speed (dude went away in an ambulance; frame and fork was toast. A stick in the road came up and took out both fork arms. The accident happened really fast and the rider had no time to stop the bike) and I have had a steel fork bend when I was trying to hop over a curb but didn't get it up enough. I bent the fork back with my hands, rode the bike home that day and replaced the fork; Jamis Aurora. I have also had dented steel tubes, broken tubes, bent chainstays and broken crankarms. The only thing that put me on the ground from breaking was the crankarm, and that crash hurt and I had to get someone to pick me up. The other stuff happened over time while riding, hitting trees while singletracking, crashing the bike and realizing the bike broke ect... I can't remember a time where the bike did not get me home after that damage though. On Friday, July 13, 2012 2:33:15 PM UTC-5, Skenry wrote: Nope, I don't personally know too many people on this list. I have only met a few so personally so I have to judge the group based upon what people here post. I'll say that without a doubt, there are many bicycling fans here but ,OVERALL, the group is very focused only on one type of bike. Its just weird to me that here and on the iBob list there are many people who only consider bicycles that fit into the Riv stereotype. Now on the old serrota list (now The Paceline Forum) and even on velocipede salon they tend to appriciate all bikes. Those two groups most definately cater towards the faster crowd but they also apreciate and enjoy the Riv type of slow, heavy, comfort bicycles. As for what started my intial post, who here has had a carbon frame/fork break, fail or bend? OK, now who here has had a steel frame/fork break, bend or fail? As for me, I will keep riding all types of bicycles not just those of one small type. Scott Henry Dayton, OH come see me On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote: I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott Its like you know us...oh wait, you don't. So stop being so condescending. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: Well, If thats how you are measuring things, i've had two steel froks bend. One aluminum fork come unglued. I've never had a carbon fork bend, break, snap or do anything other that work 100% perfectly. I've had plenty of all three type going back to my first EMS fork in the early 90s. Guess how stupid that is. I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.comwrote: I make no apologies for my divisiveness about CF forks. Any product supporting the front wheel of a bicycle which snaps instead of bending is stupid. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vDkulQZlZrwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
Scott: Here's some solidarity for you. I have owned four Rivs (3 customs, one Sam Hill) and still have the two later customs, both fixed gears, one with fat (32 mm) tires, dynolight and rack, t'other a stripper gofast (just did a brief hilly ride and it is FUN!). I do agree with the other poster that, after all, this is a Riv list and so a sort of focus is to be expected; but OTOH, there is more to Rivs than high bars, shellac and fancy luggage: for me, the essence of Rivendellianishness is not lugs, fancy paint or pretty luggage, but **fit** and **handling** -- every time (and I've bleated about this for, what, 15 years now -- I get back onto a Riv after riding some other bike that I've decided is very, very nice, I re-experience fit/handling Nirvana. All the better, sez I, if one of those Rivs is a low (ish -- I'm 57) bar'd, skinny tired, stripped down gofast that, dammit, climbs like nothing else! Every group focused on a more or less common goal, theory or value tends to become somewhat insular and exclusive and to corral the wagons against outside opinions. That is true of this list; OTOH, this list is, IMO, pretty mellow overall despite the occasional snark. Patrick my next quasi Rivendellianish bike is to be a carbon fibre ss 29er with 500 gram crabon fiber fork Moore -- if only I had the money! On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: Nope, I don't personally know too many people on this list. I have only met a few so personally so I have to judge the group based upon what people here post. I'll say that without a doubt, there are many bicycling fans here but ,OVERALL, the group is very focused only on one type of bike. Its just weird to me that here and on the iBob list there are many people who only consider bicycles that fit into the Riv stereotype. Now on the old serrota list (now The Paceline Forum) and even on velocipede salon they tend to appriciate all bikes. Those two groups most definately cater towards the faster crowd but they also apreciate and enjoy the Riv type of slow, heavy, comfort bicycles. As for what started my intial post, who here has had a carbon frame/fork break, fail or bend? OK, now who here has had a steel frame/fork break, bend or fail? As for me, I will keep riding all types of bicycles not just those of one small type. Scott Henry Dayton, OH come see me On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott Its like you know us...oh wait, you don't. So stop being so condescending. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: Well, If thats how you are measuring things, i've had two steel froks bend. One aluminum fork come unglued. I've never had a carbon fork bend, break, snap or do anything other that work 100% perfectly. I've had plenty of all three type going back to my first EMS fork in the early 90s. Guess how stupid that is. I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: I make no apologies for my divisiveness about CF forks. Any product supporting the front wheel of a bicycle which snaps instead of bending is stupid. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
Forgot to add that I *have* broken a steel fork but it let me down gently, I have never ridden crabon fibre. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:49 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Scott: Here's some solidarity for you. I have owned four Rivs (3 customs, one Sam Hill) and still have the two later customs, both fixed gears, one with fat (32 mm) tires, dynolight and rack, t'other a stripper gofast (just did a brief hilly ride and it is FUN!). I do agree with the other poster that, after all, this is a Riv list and so a sort of focus is to be expected; but OTOH, there is more to Rivs than high bars, shellac and fancy luggage: for me, the essence of Rivendellianishness is not lugs, fancy paint or pretty luggage, but **fit** and **handling** -- every time (and I've bleated about this for, what, 15 years now -- I get back onto a Riv after riding some other bike that I've decided is very, very nice, I re-experience fit/handling Nirvana. All the better, sez I, if one of those Rivs is a low (ish -- I'm 57) bar'd, skinny tired, stripped down gofast that, dammit, climbs like nothing else! Every group focused on a more or less common goal, theory or value tends to become somewhat insular and exclusive and to corral the wagons against outside opinions. That is true of this list; OTOH, this list is, IMO, pretty mellow overall despite the occasional snark. Patrick my next quasi Rivendellianish bike is to be a carbon fibre ss 29er with 500 gram crabon fiber fork Moore -- if only I had the money! On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: Nope, I don't personally know too many people on this list. I have only met a few so personally so I have to judge the group based upon what people here post. I'll say that without a doubt, there are many bicycling fans here but ,OVERALL, the group is very focused only on one type of bike. Its just weird to me that here and on the iBob list there are many people who only consider bicycles that fit into the Riv stereotype. Now on the old serrota list (now The Paceline Forum) and even on velocipede salon they tend to appriciate all bikes. Those two groups most definately cater towards the faster crowd but they also apreciate and enjoy the Riv type of slow, heavy, comfort bicycles. As for what started my intial post, who here has had a carbon frame/fork break, fail or bend? OK, now who here has had a steel frame/fork break, bend or fail? As for me, I will keep riding all types of bicycles not just those of one small type. Scott Henry Dayton, OH come see me On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott Its like you know us...oh wait, you don't. So stop being so condescending. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: Well, If thats how you are measuring things, i've had two steel froks bend. One aluminum fork come unglued. I've never had a carbon fork bend, break, snap or do anything other that work 100% perfectly. I've had plenty of all three type going back to my first EMS fork in the early 90s. Guess how stupid that is. I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: I make no apologies for my divisiveness about CF forks. Any product supporting the front wheel of a bicycle which snaps instead of bending is stupid. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW
[RBW] Re: Great American Bike Tour 1975
Next Riv ride... I suggest everyone wear matching sweat suits. I love that the train in the video Patrick linked to can accommodate so many bikes. Someone needs to show this to the folks at Amtrak. --Andy On Monday, September 5, 2011 6:33:16 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote: A fun an interesting video with Rivish content--Brooks saddles, Pletscher racks, Rivish bike fitting and fashion. The rear disc brake on the bikes is interesting. Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k10233DdFi0 --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/seJqtFe11sgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Summer Helmet
I wear a Nutcase helmet in the winter. It's painful to wear when it's warm due to sweat and heat. Has anyone found a suitably well ventilated warm weather helmet that doesn't look like a prop from a sci-fi film. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/O2ChiDo8uqsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Rayon for Riding?
Our humidity just broke, has dropped to 58%... Not daily, but, not uncommon to have 100% humidity days here... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/_D7pCNJiB3IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
On Friday, July 13, 2012 11:14:33 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: . Fortunately my fantastic recovery skills ( or my guardian angel) kept me from ploughing into the curb at 37 mph. Patrick, your comments about angels reminds me of two rides I have done down the Appalachian Gap road. It starts off very steeply then settles into a 10-14 % grade, with four or five hairpin switchbacks. I went up there, about 40 up hill miles from my home, the first time I got my Rambouillet on the road. I was having an exhilarating ride down, using the whole road, when a voice said, Michael, this is nuts, you have no idea what's around the next corner. I took the next turn slower and close to the inside line. Sure enough the rare car came up and around the next turn. The next time I rode to that top was to see the conclusion of the Green Mountain Stage Race on a cold, dank Sept. day. After the race I pulled on a rain jacket and headed down the mountain, just behind a guy on a CF racing frame, in a lycra kit. He was flying and I decided not to try to stay with him through the turns, then sprinted to catch his wheel on the straight downhill sections. Finally we both turned off onto the 2-3% grade for the 10 miles into Richmond. The rider turned out to be Bill Sorrell, Vermont's AG. He was an old mountain biker and new to road riding, but he sure could go downhill! We had a great conversation about a couple of hi profile cases I was especially interested in. BTW, about downhill speed in generalexcept in the mountains most of VT is rolling hills, and the best way to survive is through sheer aggression, barrel downhill and hope your momentum will carry you over the next hill. That said, I can't dispute all those who advocate for the wisdom of a little fear. After three years on the tandem I finally discovered my wife's screaming didn't mean she was having an orgasm! But in reality I never let it all out on a road I don't know completely by heart. So, yes, i definitely believe in angels. Michael -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xQ8X0QKmbnEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Summer Helmet
Get a grip; it's 90+ out there, you want the lightest, most ventilated helmet you can find; let someone else worry about how it looks. Michael On Friday, July 13, 2012 6:14:43 PM UTC-4, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: I wear a Nutcase helmet in the winter. It's painful to wear when it's warm due to sweat and heat. Has anyone found a suitably well ventilated warm weather helmet that doesn't look like a prop from a sci-fi film. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Se7n2TGDdpgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
I think it's your bike computer not being able to keep track of the wheel revolutions and just not displaying the actual value of how much fun that ride is... keep the bike computer out of loyalty for its otherwise faithful service and keep your eye out for a funometer computer to provide those really high numbers that describe the exhilaration of your descents. Otherwise I think you're just being wise, which is simply an abbreviation of cowardice hinged around the w... :-) Coincidentally, all my bike computers and GPS units share the same mysterious bug on my descents... :-) René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Summer Helmet
i got whatever one was on sale on performance bike, Giro i think. I put a bunch of reflective tape on it to make it extra cool, haha. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Get a grip; it's 90+ out there, you want the lightest, most ventilated helmet you can find; let someone else worry about how it looks. Michael On Friday, July 13, 2012 6:14:43 PM UTC-4, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: I wear a Nutcase helmet in the winter. It's painful to wear when it's warm due to sweat and heat. Has anyone found a suitably well ventilated warm weather helmet that doesn't look like a prop from a sci-fi film. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Se7n2TGDdpgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Summer Helmet
Take that ultra-vented sci-fi looking helmet and cover it with a stocking... it will no longer look sci-fi and it will prevent the bugs from getting tangled in your hair... :-D On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Get a grip; it's 90+ out there, you want the lightest, most ventilated helmet you can find; let someone else worry about how it looks. Michael On Friday, July 13, 2012 6:14:43 PM UTC-4, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: I wear a Nutcase helmet in the winter. It's painful to wear when it's warm due to sweat and heat. Has anyone found a suitably well ventilated warm weather helmet that doesn't look like a prop from a sci-fi film. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Se7n2TGDdpgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Summer Helmet
funny how you posted this a buddy of mine was talking about his Nutcase helmet and how it needed holes. We jokingly told him to drill holes, he was thinking seriously was thinking of burning holes in his helmet to make it work. We told him it might void the warranty. Hopefully nutcase does add some type of holeage in the helmets. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/aDafvSi0cd8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
Well, that old saying, 'discretion is the better part of valor' works for me in situations like this. Anxiety is the enemy of stability. I know about this more from skiing than I do from cycling. If I feel in control and and am calm I'm more stable than when I'm anxious. I'm a lot happier exploring this boundary on skis than on bikes. Exceeding the envelope is generally less destructive and painful on skis and snow than it is on bikes and tarmac. Thinking about it in terms of chicken or brave is a counterproductive path for me. If things are feeling squirrely, they probably are. -JimD …how I roll, or slide. On Jul 13, 2012, at 7:53 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote: I'm not a particularly anxious person, although I do get anxious when someone compliments my courage! I regularly downhill at 40+ mph and have hit 50 on good pavement and reasonably straight mountain descents without too much anxiety, but one hill this year has me spooked. One of my favorite routes is a 23 mile ride with 1400 feet of climbing that is equally divided among lightly traveled good dirt roads, mostly descent chip seal town roads, and a third of moderately traveled state roads. It provides beautiful pastoral scenery, a good view of the whole of the Mt. Mansfield ridge line, and a stretch along the Lamoille River, including the impressive Fairfax Falls. In the past I have always ridden it counter clockwise, which includes a beast of a 3K climb, including a K of 20%+ grade right in the middle. This year I reversed direction and have been riding it clockwise on my Rambouillet, with a very nice set of Grand Bois Cerf tires. The first time down it I discovered the pavement on the steepest section was not in good condition, no pot holes or heaves, just lots of broken chip and seal. The bumping was quite dramatic and I felt like one good hole could toss me over the handle bars. Garmin was showing 47.5 when I lightly squeezed the rear brake. Fortunately the Paul's Racers have excellent modulation and I safely slowed enough to feel OK. But when I got to the bottom I asked myself why I chickened out, since I was just fine, and thought that the next time I would lay off the brakes. But this hasn't happened. Instead each time I have gone down it, I have gone slower and slower. Today I took out my Trek, which has 32 mm TServes to see if I would feel more comfortable at higher speeds with the softer tire. But when I got to the top of the hill I realized I had no real taste for the experiment. I went down at 25, until I could see the good pavement at the bottom and then I let it roll out to 39. So I ask myself, is this wisdom, or just yielding to irrational anxiety. Michael Westford, VT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/iToeUC0XbYUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
It strikes me that misunderstanding the nature of the stoker's screaming could have serious ramifications for domestic bliss. That's funny! -JimD On Jul 13, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: On Friday, July 13, 2012 11:14:33 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: . Fortunately my fantastic recovery skills ( or my guardian angel) kept me from ploughing into the curb at 37 mph. Patrick, your comments about angels reminds me of two rides I have done down the Appalachian Gap road. It starts off very steeply then settles into a 10-14 % grade, with four or five hairpin switchbacks. I went up there, about 40 up hill miles from my home, the first time I got my Rambouillet on the road. I was having an exhilarating ride down, using the whole road, when a voice said, Michael, this is nuts, you have no idea what's around the next corner. I took the next turn slower and close to the inside line. Sure enough the rare car came up and around the next turn. The next time I rode to that top was to see the conclusion of the Green Mountain Stage Race on a cold, dank Sept. day. After the race I pulled on a rain jacket and headed down the mountain, just behind a guy on a CF racing frame, in a lycra kit. He was flying and I decided not to try to stay with him through the turns, then sprinted to catch his wheel on the straight downhill sections. Finally we both turned off onto the 2-3% grade for the 10 miles into Richmond. The rider turned out to be Bill Sorrell, Vermont's AG. He was an old mountain biker and new to road riding, but he sure could go downhill! We had a great conversation about a couple of hi profile cases I was especially interested in. BTW, about downhill speed in generalexcept in the mountains most of VT is rolling hills, and the best way to survive is through sheer aggression, barrel downhill and hope your momentum will carry you over the next hill. That said, I can't dispute all those who advocate for the wisdom of a little fear. After three years on the tandem I finally discovered my wife's screaming didn't mean she was having an orgasm! But in reality I never let it all out on a road I don't know completely by heart. So, yes, i definitely believe in angels. Michael -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xQ8X0QKmbnEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Summer Helmet
Hey Andy,checkout what Universal Cycles has on sale. I purchased my last helmet through them, some Bell model for $49 and I've been very happy with it, as happy as I was with my prior helmets which were all Giro models in the $120 price range. Yeah, I love my local bike shop, but places like UC and Performance can't be beat for helmets. --mike On Jul 13, 3:14 pm, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54ca...@gmail.com wrote: I wear a Nutcase helmet in the winter. It's painful to wear when it's warm due to sweat and heat. Has anyone found a suitably well ventilated warm weather helmet that doesn't look like a prop from a sci-fi film. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Summer Helmet
Ventilation is good but at least as important to me in the summer is bug mesh in the front vents. I won't own a helmet again that doesn't have this feature. Been stung in the scalp once too often! I'm currently riding in a Uvex Sport Boss with a visor and bug mesh in the front vents and it works fine. Got it cheap(ish) from Jensen's as I recall... They do have some models that are reasonably understated: http://us.uvex-sports.com/cycling/news/ Steve On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54ca...@gmail.comwrote: I wear a Nutcase helmet in the winter. It's painful to wear when it's warm due to sweat and heat. Has anyone found a suitably well ventilated warm weather helmet that doesn't look like a prop from a sci-fi film. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/O2ChiDo8uqsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
I have friend that had her carbon fork collapse on a long steady descent. She augered her face into the pavement. Her hands were completely uninjured, that's how fast it happened. She has partial use of her hands now but not enough to roll her wheel chair. Small probability, huge consequences. Everyone makes their choices lives with the decisions. I will never ride a carbon fork. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/CtIW5meM8ycJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
Every type of part or frame that can be used to make or accessorize a bicycle can break. As my mechanic Mongo says, bikes are a wear item. Even things made of lugged steel break more often than some here might believe. I have never been impressed by CF, mostly because it doesn't fit my personality on various levels. But I don't believe that riding a bike with a carbon fork is statistically more stupid/dangerous than riding a bike in general. If I crash hard or get hit by a car, the material that comprises my frame and fork is likely the least of my concerns. Of all the risk of riding a bike, having my fork snap off is pretty far down the list. Ride whatever type of bike you like, and be sensible about basic safety, and you will probably be ok. The types of bikes I like are steel and have fat tires and lots of threaded holes in various handy locations. On Friday, July 13, 2012 4:51:46 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: Forgot to add that I *have* broken a steel fork but it let me down gently, I have never ridden crabon fibre. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:49 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Scott: Here's some solidarity for you. I have owned four Rivs (3 customs, one Sam Hill) and still have the two later customs, both fixed gears, one with fat (32 mm) tires, dynolight and rack, t'other a stripper gofast (just did a brief hilly ride and it is FUN!). I do agree with the other poster that, after all, this is a Riv list and so a sort of focus is to be expected; but OTOH, there is more to Rivs than high bars, shellac and fancy luggage: for me, the essence of Rivendellianishness is not lugs, fancy paint or pretty luggage, but **fit** and **handling** -- every time (and I've bleated about this for, what, 15 years now -- I get back onto a Riv after riding some other bike that I've decided is very, very nice, I re-experience fit/handling Nirvana. All the better, sez I, if one of those Rivs is a low (ish -- I'm 57) bar'd, skinny tired, stripped down gofast that, dammit, climbs like nothing else! Every group focused on a more or less common goal, theory or value tends to become somewhat insular and exclusive and to corral the wagons against outside opinions. That is true of this list; OTOH, this list is, IMO, pretty mellow overall despite the occasional snark. Patrick my next quasi Rivendellianish bike is to be a carbon fibre ss 29er with 500 gram crabon fiber fork Moore -- if only I had the money! On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: Nope, I don't personally know too many people on this list. I have only met a few so personally so I have to judge the group based upon what people here post. I'll say that without a doubt, there are many bicycling fans here but ,OVERALL, the group is very focused only on one type of bike. Its just weird to me that here and on the iBob list there are many people who only consider bicycles that fit into the Riv stereotype. Now on the old serrota list (now The Paceline Forum) and even on velocipede salon they tend to appriciate all bikes. Those two groups most definately cater towards the faster crowd but they also apreciate and enjoy the Riv type of slow, heavy, comfort bicycles. As for what started my intial post, who here has had a carbon frame/fork break, fail or bend? OK, now who here has had a steel frame/fork break, bend or fail? As for me, I will keep riding all types of bicycles not just those of one small type. Scott Henry Dayton, OH come see me On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott Its like you know us...oh wait, you don't. So stop being so condescending. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: Well, If thats how you are measuring things, i've had two steel froks bend. One aluminum fork come unglued. I've never had a carbon fork bend, break, snap or do anything other that work 100% perfectly. I've had plenty of all three type going back to my first EMS fork in the early 90s. Guess how stupid that is. I like bikes. It just seems around here that you can either drink the koolaid or enjoy bikes, very few of you can seemingly do both. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: I make no apologies for my divisiveness about CF forks. Any product supporting the front wheel of a bicycle which snaps instead of bending is stupid. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to
[RBW] Re: Great American Bike Tour 1975
Ha! Loved it. My Dad had one of those JPC bikes. Hung in the rafters for years until my friends and I transitioned from our BMX phase to our Road bike phase. It didn't take long after getting our first 10 speed to discover his old bike was a _real_ racing machine. It had down-tube shifters, 12 speeds, toe clips, quick releases, and I think contrary to the film no (or maybe one) brake lever extension. All it needed was to get rid of that horrible disk brake. That thing must have weighed 5 lbs. It took a couple more summers before we realized it was no racing machine. We turned on it like a lover betrayed. :-) -Allan On Monday, September 5, 2011 6:33:16 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote: A fun an interesting video with Rivish content--Brooks saddles, Pletscher racks, Rivish bike fitting and fashion. The rear disc brake on the bikes is interesting. Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k10233DdFi0 --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/zv5GQMBK2foJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
Will join in and say it's wisdom. Especially given a 20 percent grade and poor pavement at that point. One or the other, maybe fear, both together, preserving one's hide. Not sure I've evern been above 40 mph. Aren't a lot of hills in this area long and/or steep enough. Might want to try a higher speed someday, but I start getting a mental picture of an elephant on a kids bike and that will keep me in check. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:20 PM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: It strikes me that misunderstanding the nature of the stoker's screaming could have serious ramifications for domestic bliss. That's funny! -JimD On Jul 13, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: On Friday, July 13, 2012 11:14:33 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: . Fortunately my fantastic recovery skills ( or my guardian angel) kept me from ploughing into the curb at 37 mph. Patrick, your comments about angels reminds me of two rides I have done down the Appalachian Gap road. It starts off very steeply then settles into a 10-14 % grade, with four or five hairpin switchbacks. I went up there, about 40 up hill miles from my home, the first time I got my Rambouillet on the road. I was having an exhilarating ride down, using the whole road, when a voice said, Michael, this is nuts, you have no idea what's around the next corner. I took the next turn slower and close to the inside line. Sure enough the rare car came up and around the next turn. The next time I rode to that top was to see the conclusion of the Green Mountain Stage Race on a cold, dank Sept. day. After the race I pulled on a rain jacket and headed down the mountain, just behind a guy on a CF racing frame, in a lycra kit. He was flying and I decided not to try to stay with him through the turns, then sprinted to catch his wheel on the straight downhill sections. Finally we both turned off onto the 2-3% grade for the 10 miles into Richmond. The rider turned out to be Bill Sorrell, Vermont's AG. He was an old mountain biker and new to road riding, but he sure could go downhill! We had a great conversation about a couple of hi profile cases I was especially interested in. BTW, about downhill speed in generalexcept in the mountains most of VT is rolling hills, and the best way to survive is through sheer aggression, barrel downhill and hope your momentum will carry you over the next hill. That said, I can't dispute all those who advocate for the wisdom of a little fear. After three years on the tandem I finally discovered my wife's screaming didn't mean she was having an orgasm! But in reality I never let it all out on a road I don't know completely by heart. So, yes, i definitely believe in angels. Michael -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xQ8X0QKmbnEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Naked Platrack
For those who are fortunate to have fork-crown eyelets, (the ones on top ala Bombadil, Hunqapillar and maybe others) I have successfully proved that you CAN mount a Platrack sans-Marks or Mini. Sure, the rising loopy arc-o'-steel is absent, but think of the weight savings! Seems to be quite strong, but honestly the Mini is going back on tomorrow as I like the versatility. I love the way the spacing of the eyelets is just right for the rack-nut thingies. Nice and parallel. If this were permanent, I'd use shorter spacers on the fork-crown and cut the rods, but you get the idea. Well, you will now: *http://tinyurl.com/6ry9nn8* * * Marty less is more in Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Qbl-rhNEKe4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Naked Platrack
I like it. I can see this working even if you don't have the eyelets on the fork. Let us know how it holds up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ejnPEpbuI14J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Naked Platrack
Whoa! Them's some long aluminum levers serving as weight-bearing struts! I wonder how much weight it'll take. Still... I'm sure it would hold a pizza or two! Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Kv1qg2z2NFMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
Goodness me! I know some people dig that sort of thing. Go for it! But if you see *me* going 40mph, call the authorities! It'll mean I've lost control of my bike, body, and mind. Without intervention, tragedy will ensue. Since you asked... I'd say wisdom. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/VtSxoX_jpRoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
I did 45 on a long-wheelbase recumbent. It was disturbingly uneventful. That chopper position and huge distance between the wheels makes for a pretty serene experience at high speed. When I glanced at the speedo and saw that number, I realized this might be a good time to start dragging them brakes a bit.. On Friday, July 13, 2012 7:50:23 PM UTC-7, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: Goodness me! I know some people dig that sort of thing. Go for it! But if you see *me* going 40mph, call the authorities! It'll mean I've lost control of my bike, body, and mind. Without intervention, tragedy will ensue. Since you asked... I'd say wisdom. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/3zhUQcNEQ_gJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] random bits for sale: phil wheel, front rack, chrome kremlin
hi all, just a few parts kicking around my apartment that i must clear out. i'm not working right now, so i'll actually have time to get these in the mail straight away. i'm in oakland, so free local pickup for a few of you--i'll even deliver in the east bay or sf with paypal in advance. 1) 700c rear: 40 spoke phil wood 7spd freewheel laced to magic a719 by rich lesnik|handbuilt wheels __ 120 + shipping 2) velo-orange ene centerpull rack--like new, installed and ridden just a handful of times when i was playing around with having a road bike. they don't seem to be available any longer, so here's your chance. 35 shipped. http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2010/08/grand-compe-ene-mini-rack-details.html 3) chrome kremlin bag, original buckle, black. i purchased it used, and it worked very nicely as a front bag on my porter rack, but i've since gone to a new bag. but yep, totally great bag and (better/hipper/streetcredible) old design? 40 shipped. Help me get this stuff out of the way! Thanks, erik -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Wisdom or Cowardice, how fast to go downhill?
On a truly long and steep descent, trying to come down too slowly has its own peril - overheated rims and blown tires. Letting the bike roll out some allows some energy to be dissipated by the wind, sparing the brakes for when they are really needed. It can be a fine line between over-braking and under-braking. At some point wisdom would have you stop to let the rims cool. Bill Stockton, CA On Friday, July 13, 2012 7:53:40 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote: I'm not a particularly anxious person, although I do get anxious when someone compliments my courage! I regularly downhill at 40+ mph and have hit 50 on good pavement and reasonably straight mountain descents without too much anxiety, but one hill this year has me spooked. One of my favorite routes is a 23 mile ride with 1400 feet of climbing that is equally divided among lightly traveled good dirt roads, mostly descent chip seal town roads, and a third of moderately traveled state roads. It provides beautiful pastoral scenery, a good view of the whole of the Mt. Mansfield ridge line, and a stretch along the Lamoille River, including the impressive Fairfax Falls. In the past I have always ridden it counter clockwise, which includes a beast of a 3K climb, including a K of 20%+ grade right in the middle. This year I reversed direction and have been riding it clockwise on my Rambouillet, with a very nice set of Grand Bois Cerf tires. The first time down it I discovered the pavement on the steepest section was not in good condition, no pot holes or heaves, just lots of broken chip and seal. The bumping was quite dramatic and I felt like one good hole could toss me over the handle bars. Garmin was showing 47.5 when I lightly squeezed the rear brake. Fortunately the Paul's Racers have excellent modulation and I safely slowed enough to feel OK. But when I got to the bottom I asked myself why I chickened out, since I was just fine, and thought that the next time I would lay off the brakes. But this hasn't happened. Instead each time I have gone down it, I have gone slower and slower. Today I took out my Trek, which has 32 mm TServes to see if I would feel more comfortable at higher speeds with the softer tire. But when I got to the top of the hill I realized I had no real taste for the experiment. I went down at 25, until I could see the good pavement at the bottom and then I let it roll out to 39. So I ask myself, is this wisdom, or just yielding to irrational anxiety. Michael Westford, VT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/CcFxE2NTBTgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Great American Bike Tour 1975
On Friday, July 13, 2012 3:09:27 PM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote: Next Riv ride... I suggest everyone wear matching sweat suits. --Andy No, everyone needs to show up with matching inflatable clowns on their rear racks. http://www.flickr.com/photos/hammarhead/4008336781/in/faves-41335973@N00/ --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/upX2mihGKDoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
this thread started before i left to ride my atlantis across the cascades and elsewhere, and i return to see it continues. that's funny! anyone who has read this list always knows that there are always going to be people who pop in to troll or otherwise; posts of the sort look at me, i like ALL bikes why don't you you ignoramus. But it doesn't really work that way, this is a place where people who want to talk about lugged bikes will. Like every place on the internet, people will always want to come in and yell about how that place doesn't really get it, as we may be tempted to otherwise. I subscribe, as there are also some really good ride reports that come up, but I bit my keyboarding tongue a lot about a whole variety of things. I think people like to make up stories about so and so having ideology x, y or z, because it's just easier that way. It happens on this list, it happens to all sorts of people with any sort of recognition, it's terribly easy and terribly boring--human, all too human, right? I really wish the biggest problem worth discussion was that us mean rivendell list members were dissuading significant portions of the public from riding bicycles made of carbon fiber, but I bet you can count the number of times that happens every year without trying too hard. That said, the rhetoric is really bias the other way. This isn't a debate between two equal sides in other words, and so don't construe peoples energy and love of a niche group to be conflated with koolaid or ideology as much as it is with embracing and pursuing an approach they probably have very little of in the place they live. I lived in Omaha, NE, for some time--how many rivendells are there? I know of 2, maybe? I recommend anyone engaged by a two week long argument on the internet step outside and remember we live on a fragile rock hurtling through the enormity of an infinite cosmos. It's not what you have or say, but it's what you do. What have all the posters in this thread been doing? I'd much rather hear about that. Ride on, erik On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: I have no problems talking about Rivs, I do it routinely. I have a problem talking bad about carbon because someone told you not to like it. A bike is a bike. Ride them all. Don't talk anyone out of riding anything. And personally, I like obnoxious women. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure where you got slow comfort bikes from. As for talking about rivs.. It is the Rivendell group ... So do you complain on the Ford group that they don't like Chevys. Probably.. :) Actually I have many bikes in the garage... Steel aluminum, and carbon. I've had two carbon frames break, one carbon fork, two carbon stems, one seat post break. Haven't broke the others yet I am not afraid to ride carbon , just not fond of the way it fails. I'm an obnoxious opinionated jerk.. And blame it on women in general.. What's your excuse. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kqbSXfogzrsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
Agreed, shame it is an Ozone alert and pea soup humidity in NYC which made riding tonight crappy, wasnt worth taking pics since they would have been hazed over anyway. I remembered Grant's advice to not beat yourself up about not riding as much as you might want and headed home halfway through to sit inside and not sweat everywhere, haha. Here is hoping for some rain to break this humidity! On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 1:28 AM, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: this thread started before i left to ride my atlantis across the cascades and elsewhere, and i return to see it continues. that's funny! anyone who has read this list always knows that there are always going to be people who pop in to troll or otherwise; posts of the sort look at me, i like ALL bikes why don't you you ignoramus. But it doesn't really work that way, this is a place where people who want to talk about lugged bikes will. Like every place on the internet, people will always want to come in and yell about how that place doesn't really get it, as we may be tempted to otherwise. I subscribe, as there are also some really good ride reports that come up, but I bit my keyboarding tongue a lot about a whole variety of things. I think people like to make up stories about so and so having ideology x, y or z, because it's just easier that way. It happens on this list, it happens to all sorts of people with any sort of recognition, it's terribly easy and terribly boring--human, all too human, right? I really wish the biggest problem worth discussion was that us mean rivendell list members were dissuading significant portions of the public from riding bicycles made of carbon fiber, but I bet you can count the number of times that happens every year without trying too hard. That said, the rhetoric is really bias the other way. This isn't a debate between two equal sides in other words, and so don't construe peoples energy and love of a niche group to be conflated with koolaid or ideology as much as it is with embracing and pursuing an approach they probably have very little of in the place they live. I lived in Omaha, NE, for some time--how many rivendells are there? I know of 2, maybe? I recommend anyone engaged by a two week long argument on the internet step outside and remember we live on a fragile rock hurtling through the enormity of an infinite cosmos. It's not what you have or say, but it's what you do. What have all the posters in this thread been doing? I'd much rather hear about that. Ride on, erik On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: I have no problems talking about Rivs, I do it routinely. I have a problem talking bad about carbon because someone told you not to like it. A bike is a bike. Ride them all. Don't talk anyone out of riding anything. And personally, I like obnoxious women. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure where you got slow comfort bikes from. As for talking about rivs.. It is the Rivendell group ... So do you complain on the Ford group that they don't like Chevys. Probably.. :) Actually I have many bikes in the garage... Steel aluminum, and carbon. I've had two carbon frames break, one carbon fork, two carbon stems, one seat post break. Haven't broke the others yet I am not afraid to ride carbon , just not fond of the way it fails. I'm an obnoxious opinionated jerk.. And blame it on women in general.. What's your excuse. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kqbSXfogzrsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from
Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.
i'm one of the lucky ones out west i think, but i gotta say it was pure suffering making it across the valley between the cascades and the ocean range in oregon. s hot, and even then just 95 degrees or so. i put my head down and got through there in one day rather than stick around for multiple days of that sickly too-hot feeling. i was wearing wool leggings because i had gotten sunburned when i feel asleep on the rim of crater lake the day before and wanted to cover up, one suffering for another! e On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote: Agreed, shame it is an Ozone alert and pea soup humidity in NYC which made riding tonight crappy, wasnt worth taking pics since they would have been hazed over anyway. I remembered Grant's advice to not beat yourself up about not riding as much as you might want and headed home halfway through to sit inside and not sweat everywhere, haha. Here is hoping for some rain to break this humidity! On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 1:28 AM, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.comwrote: this thread started before i left to ride my atlantis across the cascades and elsewhere, and i return to see it continues. that's funny! anyone who has read this list always knows that there are always going to be people who pop in to troll or otherwise; posts of the sort look at me, i like ALL bikes why don't you you ignoramus. But it doesn't really work that way, this is a place where people who want to talk about lugged bikes will. Like every place on the internet, people will always want to come in and yell about how that place doesn't really get it, as we may be tempted to otherwise. I subscribe, as there are also some really good ride reports that come up, but I bit my keyboarding tongue a lot about a whole variety of things. I think people like to make up stories about so and so having ideology x, y or z, because it's just easier that way. It happens on this list, it happens to all sorts of people with any sort of recognition, it's terribly easy and terribly boring--human, all too human, right? I really wish the biggest problem worth discussion was that us mean rivendell list members were dissuading significant portions of the public from riding bicycles made of carbon fiber, but I bet you can count the number of times that happens every year without trying too hard. That said, the rhetoric is really bias the other way. This isn't a debate between two equal sides in other words, and so don't construe peoples energy and love of a niche group to be conflated with koolaid or ideology as much as it is with embracing and pursuing an approach they probably have very little of in the place they live. I lived in Omaha, NE, for some time--how many rivendells are there? I know of 2, maybe? I recommend anyone engaged by a two week long argument on the internet step outside and remember we live on a fragile rock hurtling through the enormity of an infinite cosmos. It's not what you have or say, but it's what you do. What have all the posters in this thread been doing? I'd much rather hear about that. Ride on, erik On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: I have no problems talking about Rivs, I do it routinely. I have a problem talking bad about carbon because someone told you not to like it. A bike is a bike. Ride them all. Don't talk anyone out of riding anything. And personally, I like obnoxious women. Scott On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure where you got slow comfort bikes from. As for talking about rivs.. It is the Rivendell group ... So do you complain on the Ford group that they don't like Chevys. Probably.. :) Actually I have many bikes in the garage... Steel aluminum, and carbon. I've had two carbon frames break, one carbon fork, two carbon stems, one seat post break. Haven't broke the others yet I am not afraid to ride carbon , just not fond of the way it fails. I'm an obnoxious opinionated jerk.. And blame it on women in general.. What's your excuse. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kqbSXfogzrsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. --
