Re: [RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Addison Wilhite
Gunnar Sport
http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2015/07/ten-years-of-rambler-favorite-posts-18.html
and Crosshairs
http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2015/01/gunnar-sport-vs-gunnar-crosshairs.html
Rivendell AllRounder
http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html
Della Santa
http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2014/03/need-for-relative-speed.html
Rambler Resurrectio
http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2014/07/introducing-reno-rambler-resurrectio.html
(Refurbished Bstone MB-!)
Jamis Dragon
http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2014/01/big-wheel-keep-on-turnin-my-new-jamis.html
 29er
German Urban Cruiser
http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2015/03/beater-bike.html (the only one
that actually lives in the garage)

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On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Bob Ehrenbeck reeh...@gmail.com wrote:

 A few are in the garage, but most are in an unused bedroom converted into
 a bike shop. In descending order of model year:



 2011 Rawland rSogn *https://flic.kr/p/qibo3V*
 https://flic.kr/p/qibo3V

 2005 Gary Fisher Nirvana (wife’s bike) *https://flic.kr/p/ftpLxo*
 https://flic.kr/p/ftpLxo

 1992 Trek 7000 *https://flic.kr/p/rwzmLV* https://flic.kr/p/rwzmLV

 1981 Raleigh Super Record *https://flic.kr/p/s1Dzap*
 https://flic.kr/p/s1Dzap

 1973 Raleigh Sports *https://flic.kr/p/tK6NGL*
 https://flic.kr/p/tK6NGL

 197? Raleigh DL1 Tourist *https://flic.kr/p/82EWuP*
 https://flic.kr/p/82EWuP

 196? Columbia Twosome Tandem *https://flic.kr/p/89CGiw*
 https://flic.kr/p/89CGiw


 Coming in October:
 2015 Rivendell 52-cm Clem Smith Jr. frameset

 Bob E

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread David Spranger
I use the breathable raincoat and pants from JG cyclewear 
(http://www.bicycleclothing.com/) . They keep me dry when cool to cold and 
rainy. I don't mess with rain gear in the warmer months. 

A big plug for the protection this gear has given me. I was hit hard in a 
hit-and-run incident earlier this year. All my clothes, including the rain 
gear, were cut off my body when the rescue team showed up. Though I had 
many broken bones, everyone in the know commented on my lack of nearly any 
road rash or skin abrasions. I give a lot of credit to the fabric that JG 
(USA made) uses.

David 
Charlotte, NC

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 at 11:43:00 AM UTC-4, A CT Cyclist wrote:

 Hi, what does everyone wear when commuting in the rain? I'm looking for 
 something that I can wear with normal clothing. Something light that I 
 can layer under and not sweat profusely, ha ha. 


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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread David Spranger
58cm Olive green Surly LHT. My usual winter commuter/grocery getter.

63cm A. Homer Hilsen. Also used quite liberally as a commuter/getter of 
stuff.

62 cm Simple One. Currently in police custody after my incident earlier 
this year. Was my main commuting bike and just my go-to bike in general. 
Oh, how I miss it so much... Spouse is intent it will never be built up or 
repaired in any fashion except as art work. Did I mention I really miss 
this bike?

60cm Purple Rambouillet Currently set up on a trainer as that it the only 
riding I can do until my old bones heal longer.

2 nearly identical Bromptons I picked up for song for my spouse and I to 
use when traveling. 

58cm Betty Foy for the spouse and a Ridekick trailer for her as well.

David
Charlotte, NC
On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 8:25:31 PM UTC-4, murphyjrfk wrote:

 I always wonder-i betcha there are a lot of cool bikes around. And right 
 now I have a lot of bikes. I feel a bit self indulgent but I don't feel too 
 bad when I think of the use. I have a pretty bikey family, a bike job 
 and live in a great city to ride bikes in. I don't drive much either-like 
 under 2k miles a year so that makes me feel even less guilty. But i'll 
 start in order of importance.-well at least my order. 

 51 sage green Sam. Best bike ever. Get's used every day. 
 54 orange quickbeam. Super duper fun. 
 Cannondale Adventure 2 step through hybrid. Permanent baby seat gets used 
 a lot. 
 Electra Townie 7d. My wife's ride which is super fun. 
 1969 Schwinn Twinn-which my oldest daughter (8) thinks is the coolest bike 
 ever. Mostly because she doesn't have to pedal. And it has baskets for all 
 her dolls. 
 Jamis Capri 24 that's my oldest daughters ride. Fine little bike. First 
 one she got to pick out all by herself. I asked her why she likes it 
 best-she said it makes me feel like I'm a teenager-I'm in trouble. 
 Surly LHT which usually sees super nasty weather duty. I'm not sure if 
 I'll hang on to that one but it's a good bike so I probably will. 

 Needless to say we have never had a car in our garage. My wife stopped 
 complaining a while ago. So I guess it's ok. 

 I hope others play along. 

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[RBW] Re: Cambium VS. B-17 question

2015-07-29 Thread Matthew J
 Brooks told me a sprung Cambium type saddle is planned for 2016.

Interesting.  With luck this means Brooks will also have an unsprung but 
wider, shorter Cambium for more upright riding.  Maybe with dimensions 
between the Berthoud Marie Blanc and Mente.

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 1:22:26 AM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:

 Brooks told me a sprung Cambium type saddle is planned for 2016.

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Re: [RBW] What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Eric Daume
Anyone who has seen my blog know I have a lot of bike turnover, but here is
the current stable:

mine:

- Velo Orange Camargue set up with Albastache bars, my main camping,
utility, and family riding bike
- '86 Raleigh Technium that I picked up on CL for $25, usually my fixed
gear (though now a 6 speed)
- '92 Specialized Stumpjumper, another CL find, I will probably sell it
soon.
- '13 Salsa Mukluk 29+/fat tire bike. I'm not sure about long term
happiness with the wide bottom bracket
- Twin Six/Waterford 29er, currently for sale, and it's replacement should
be here this week

wife's:
- late 90s Trek 4300, from when they were still MUSA

kid's:
- 26 Giant Boulder for my 8 year old
- 20 Trek Mystic for my 6 year old daughter
- 20 Specialized Hotrock for my 6 year old son
- 24 Specialized Hotrock, was my 8 year old's, now in waiting for the 6
year old
- 2 trail-a-bikes, a Giant and Burley Picolo

It's nice to have a three car garage... though my car sits in the driveway
all summer to make room for the kids' bikes.

Eric
bikingtoplay.blogspot.com


On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 8:25 PM, murphyjrfk murphyj...@gmail.com wrote:

 I always wonder-i betcha there are a lot of cool bikes around. And right
 now I have a lot of bikes. I feel a bit self indulgent but I don't feel too
 bad when I think of the use. I have a pretty bikey family, a bike job
 and live in a great city to ride bikes in. I don't drive much either-like
 under 2k miles a year so that makes me feel even less guilty. But i'll
 start in order of importance.-well at least my order.

 51 sage green Sam. Best bike ever. Get's used every day.
 54 orange quickbeam. Super duper fun.
 Cannondale Adventure 2 step through hybrid. Permanent baby seat gets used
 a lot.
 Electra Townie 7d. My wife's ride which is super fun.
 1969 Schwinn Twinn-which my oldest daughter (8) thinks is the coolest bike
 ever. Mostly because she doesn't have to pedal. And it has baskets for all
 her dolls.
 Jamis Capri 24 that's my oldest daughters ride. Fine little bike. First
 one she got to pick out all by herself. I asked her why she likes it
 best-she said it makes me feel like I'm a teenager-I'm in trouble.
 Surly LHT which usually sees super nasty weather duty. I'm not sure if
 I'll hang on to that one but it's a good bike so I probably will.

 Needless to say we have never had a car in our garage. My wife stopped
 complaining a while ago. So I guess it's ok.

 I hope others play along.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders in Summer

2015-07-29 Thread Jan Heine


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3ulEle6-vVY/VbjsmDMkKbI/A9c/lBpA-A6nCag/s1600/MotoGP2015-Desmosedici_Standard-01_634x357_634x357.jpg


It does not appear the photo of the fastest two-wheeler (that can actually 
go around corners) uploaded, so here it is again. Fenders are part of the 
aero package.


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Bicycle Quarterly
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Moore
I used the waxed cotton Carradice (not Brooks) rain cape for a summer
monsoon season of commuting here in ABQ, NM and found it too heavy and hot.
Perhaps the Brooks is lighter? I find that the cheap Campmore flaps more
but isn't as hot. Temps here are usually in the upper 70s to mid 80s during
a rain -- once the sun goes behind the clouds the temperature can drop 10+
degrees.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 +1 on Ventile (for cooler/cold weather... amazing how good this fabric
 feels); Brooks (waxed cotton) rain cape for warm weather (like having a
 well-ventilated tent for your bike... love this!!).

 BB

 On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 10:15:54 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 I'm confused. You sold the best cycling rain jacket you ever wore because
 of the color, ideal for riding, when you're out for drinks?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 6:54:47 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:

 Best rain jacket I ever wore for rain was POC Rain jacket, nice and
 bright orange for cars to see you. Highly breathable and light, but very
 expensive. In the end, I sold it and bought a Patagonia Torrent Shell for
 and a Columbia Watertight II. They work well enough, and don't scream
 attention when I go out for drinks at the bar, etc.

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Chris in Redding, Ca.
Howdy,
81 Miyata 610 setup w/flat bars , 700cx42, 3x8 hybrid like gearing
84 Stump sport with cruiser bars and big knobbies
94 Ritchey P21 setup with cruiser bars
94 Bontrager Race MTB setup as a go fast 1x7 indexed with big knobbies
2002 Soulcraft Royale go fast
2003 Maverick 4 inch MTB
2003 Trek 5 inch MTB

And at least a dozen (usually several) of each of the following;
Frames, wheels, forks, bars, stems, seatposts, ders, shifters, etc. And 
about 100 spare tires.

I use five gallon buckets as organizers. 

I have a very good friend who is worse.

Send help,
Chris
Redding, Ca.

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Betty Foy (50cm)

2015-07-29 Thread Eric
Still looking for a 50cm (or 52cm)

Thanks!!

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Jeffrey Marco
Cool thread!

I have the following hanging in my garage

58cm 2008 Atlantis
55cm 1989 Bridgestone MB-1 ( for sale)
52cm 1993 Bridgestone MB-2
56cm 2012 Soma Double Cross DC
52cm 1992 Trek 970
52cm 1984 Fillet Brazed Fisher Mt.Tam
46cm 1990 Bridgestone MB-1 currently stripped  (F/F for sale)
55cm 1992 GT Outpost in pieces

I have way too much overlap with the 90's MTB's and need to thin the herd.. 
Plus I need a new down sleeping bag for the Michigan Country Bike Rally so 
it's a good reason to get rid of the bikes I don't ride much.

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 8:25:31 PM UTC-4, murphyjrfk wrote:

 I always wonder-i betcha there are a lot of cool bikes around. And right 
 now I have a lot of bikes. I feel a bit self indulgent but I don't feel too 
 bad when I think of the use. I have a pretty bikey family, a bike job 
 and live in a great city to ride bikes in. I don't drive much either-like 
 under 2k miles a year so that makes me feel even less guilty. But i'll 
 start in order of importance.-well at least my order. 

 51 sage green Sam. Best bike ever. Get's used every day. 
 54 orange quickbeam. Super duper fun. 
 Cannondale Adventure 2 step through hybrid. Permanent baby seat gets used 
 a lot. 
 Electra Townie 7d. My wife's ride which is super fun. 
 1969 Schwinn Twinn-which my oldest daughter (8) thinks is the coolest bike 
 ever. Mostly because she doesn't have to pedal. And it has baskets for all 
 her dolls. 
 Jamis Capri 24 that's my oldest daughters ride. Fine little bike. First 
 one she got to pick out all by herself. I asked her why she likes it 
 best-she said it makes me feel like I'm a teenager-I'm in trouble. 
 Surly LHT which usually sees super nasty weather duty. I'm not sure if 
 I'll hang on to that one but it's a good bike so I probably will. 

 Needless to say we have never had a car in our garage. My wife stopped 
 complaining a while ago. So I guess it's ok. 

 I hope others play along. 

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Re: [RBW] What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread clyde canter
I love riding, just for the sake of riding.

64 cm Green Rambouillet
60 cm single tt -green Hillborne
62 cm  (custom painted) Quickbeam
25 1/2 1984 Trek 610 fixed gear
25 1982 Trek 613 single speed
62 cm Milwuakee Orange One fixed gear
59 cm Raleigh Team Cross '05 model set up as fixed gear
22 Nashbar Mtb beater bike

My favorite bike is usually the one I just finished riding ;-)

Clyde Canter, Bristol, Va

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 8:25 PM, murphyjrfk murphyj...@gmail.com wrote:

 I always wonder-i betcha there are a lot of cool bikes around. And right
 now I have a lot of bikes. I feel a bit self indulgent but I don't feel too
 bad when I think of the use. I have a pretty bikey family, a bike job
 and live in a great city to ride bikes in. I don't drive much either-like
 under 2k miles a year so that makes me feel even less guilty. But i'll
 start in order of importance.-well at least my order.

 51 sage green Sam. Best bike ever. Get's used every day.
 54 orange quickbeam. Super duper fun.
 Cannondale Adventure 2 step through hybrid. Permanent baby seat gets used
 a lot.
 Electra Townie 7d. My wife's ride which is super fun.
 1969 Schwinn Twinn-which my oldest daughter (8) thinks is the coolest bike
 ever. Mostly because she doesn't have to pedal. And it has baskets for all
 her dolls.
 Jamis Capri 24 that's my oldest daughters ride. Fine little bike. First
 one she got to pick out all by herself. I asked her why she likes it
 best-she said it makes me feel like I'm a teenager-I'm in trouble.
 Surly LHT which usually sees super nasty weather duty. I'm not sure if
 I'll hang on to that one but it's a good bike so I probably will.

 Needless to say we have never had a car in our garage. My wife stopped
 complaining a while ago. So I guess it's ok.

 I hope others play along.

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread drew
This is actually making me think I sont have wnough bikesthen again I don't 
have a garage. 
54 hunqapillar-all decked out. Ready for the end times

56 sam-2tt get around town, slightly stripped down and capable of some fastness 

1984 trek 420 mixte- treks only mixte of that era, I believe. restored for the 
fiancé. Black and cream. I love it more than she does 

48 clem proto- fiance's first new bike ever. Racing green. We niceified it.

1985 diamondback apex. Restored and townied this out for my dad, but haven't 
shipped it yet, so it's here. 

On that note, if anyone has a mid 80s mtb that they want off their hands, I'll 
have an opening in the lineup soon.

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[RBW] What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread BenG
Social media thrives because I get to create myself.  Here's an attempt to tell 
the bikey truth about me:
1994 Schwinn taiwanese cruiser, whitewall fatties, ss/coaster brake. From wife, 
first adult bike, last from 
Schwinn at a LBS. Commuted on it when gas hit $4.
2005 Specialized Sirrus. Liked commuting, thought I could do better.
1972 Schwinn Sports Tourer, lemon yellow, Rich wheels on original hubs. Cause I 
read some Grant, and Sheldon said so. Wanted it when I was a kid. Trapped in an 
ebay auction.
1990 MB-1 biggest frame, Manitou bumper fork. Dirt drop stem to accomodate my 
stiff neck and tight legs. Cause the 32mm Sirrus tires were a little small on 
rocky Brown County trails, and I couldn't afford a Bombadil, but this Petersen 
guy was in on it, I read his 1994 catalog, and wanted one.
2013 Hillborne 60cm cause I had the Rivbug and wanted into the virtual gang.
2015? Mystery bike cause I wanted notoriety in the virtual gang.
So now I am a gang member, with a bunch of nice bikes! Which I enjoy. While 
trying to keep my head on straight.

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Garth

 Ventile is not completely 100 percent waterproof. It's also bulky , 
not exactly small packing if packable at all. 

  So called waterproof *and* breathable fabrics only exist as relatives .  
A truly 100 percent waterproof fabric won't breathe , and a vapor 
permeable fabric by it's nature of being permeable cannot be 100 percent 
waterproof. 

   So to me, all arguments for a given philosophy are flawed no matter how 
it's thought of . 

   There just isn't a perfect fabric . And while someone may say it's 
perfect for me , they're really only settling for imperfection .  True 
Perfection is infallible and Absolute.  Not found in a material world , no 
matter all the man made inventions that have been are are to be . 

 So what's the solution of all solutions , Absolute ?   It's not found 
at all  . . .  . in fact inventions and searching only confirm a belief it 
is not already Present !  Yes . . . . Present and at Hand . 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Moore
Can anyone report on riding longer distances in rain wearing wool? I find
that wool jerseys stretch even when worn dry: mine grow an inch or more in
length after several hours of wearing. I wonder if a wool jersey ridden in
the rain would act somewhat like a cotton T shirt in this regard?

Me, after an initial impulse to abjure all synthetic jerseys, am glad I
kept most of them, since now with afternoon humidity soaring into the 30s
or more, and temperatures in the mid 90s, wool is icky (technical term of
the art). So is plastic, but it's not as icky. (Icky factor of .73, with
wool being 1.00.)

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Liesl
1987 17-inch Trek 620, set up as single speed
2004 58cm Quickbeam, green, purchased on this list
2005 50cm Saluki, red
2008 51cm Proto Blériot, sand-blasted clear-coat, set up as single speed
2010 58cm Bike Friday Pocket Rocket, burgundy and Rivved out
2010 50cm Bike Friday Pocket Rocket, British green and Rivved out
2013 46cm Custom Appaloosa, Boy Scout green
2014 60cm Cheviot, orange

*shhh don't tell anyone* but sneakin' other 2-wheeled info in:  1973 BMW 
R75/5, 1997 BMW F650, 1998 BMW F650 tricked-out; all retired, contact me *off 
list *if interested.  Okay now I am in trouble.


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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Justin August
I have a closet, not a garage. At least it's a big one...
Forever Residents:
58cm Saluki. MAP/Ahearne Bars with Cazadero tires. Getting ready to set up 
swappable bars to drops and building a wheelset with 28h tubeless Babyshoe 
Pass ELs. I'll also be overhauling/replacing the shifters/derailleurs while 
doing this.
55cm Betty Foy. Similar bars to the MAP/Ahearne bars but narrower. My 
soon-to-be-wife's bike. Fantastic bike.

Temporary Resident (SO BUY IT!)
58cm SimpleOne.

Hopeful Future Closet Residents (post-wedding purchases)
M Piolet or M Disc-Ravn/Wyrm/Rawland

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch
My garage, oldest to newest:

1984 Ross Mt. Hood
1996 Santana Noventa
2009 Rivendell Atlantis
2011 Soma San Marcos
2011 Surly Long Haul Trucker

+ pick-up, snowblower, and two lawnmowers.

The wife has her own garage...



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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders in Summer

2015-07-29 Thread Steve Palincsar



On 07/29/2015 05:53 PM, Eric Norris wrote:


There are all kinds of fun, including the kind that involves dressing 
up in lycra, swinging your leg over a carbon wonderbike, hitting the 
bike path, and believing in your own mind, for just a little while, 
that you’re leading the pack up the Alp d'Huez.


I repeat: Where’s the harm in that?


Even a single rider riding like that on the local MUP is a great way to 
cause accidents, plenty of harm there.


Then, there was the local racing club that used to come out en mass, 30+ 
strong, on a Friday morning and ride from Arlington north to downtown DC 
on the Mount Vernon Trail in a double paceline that liteerally took up 
both lanes of the bike trail.  Commuters headed south were forced off 
the trail onto the grass, and I saw a crash at the construction zone at 
one of the bridges at National Airport as a south-bound rider was forced 
off the trail.  Plenty of harm there.


I wrote to the president of that club and told them if they didn't stop 
I'd contact the Park Service and get them banned from using the trail, 
and that ride ended.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders in Summer

2015-07-29 Thread Eric Norris
Because … it’s … FUN!

Let’s all go back into the past for a second or two … 

Didn’t anybody else here ever make believe they were the world’s fastest 
cyclist when you were a kid? I know *I* did. My friends and I used to put 
number plates on our Sting-Rays and make motorcycle noises while pedaling as 
hard as we could. It felt great. 

Have some of the people on this list forgotten those long ago, happy days?

Now that we’re adults and have the money, we can indulge the child inside us 
and ride a bike that looks just like the one that the guy who won the Tor de 
France used. Sure, it’s not going to be able to carry a load of groceries home. 
Sure, it’s not “practical” in some senses of that word. Sure, it encourages you 
to ride in a “racing posture.” That’s the point! You’re a racer! You’re fast! 
You’re riding a cutting edge, carbon fiber bike! Whee!

And where’s the harm in that? We all know that some bike shops oversell the 
latest carbon racing machines. But that’s where you have to give some credit to 
the guy or gal who’s buying the bike. There are lots of choices in bikes out 
there, and I don’t see anybody twisting arms to get riders on the latest Trek 
or Pinarello. For the same reasons, I don’t look at someone driving a 
two-seater sports car and wonder who snookered them into buying it. Is a Mazda 
Miata “practical”? Depends on how you define that, but probably not. But so 
what? It’s fun! (I should know, my wife has one.)

There are all kinds of fun, including the kind that involves dressing up in 
lycra, swinging your leg over a carbon wonderbike, hitting the bike path, and 
believing in your own mind, for just a little while, that you’re leading the 
pack up the Alp d'Huez. 

I repeat: Where’s the harm in that? 

Remember, the book is “Just Ride,” not “Just Ride the Way I Do.” 

--Eric N
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 On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Daniel D. dddon...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 why is it so many people think that they should ride the equivalent bike on 
 the street and/or bike trail when they are not even in a race?

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[RBW] WTB VO Threadless Stem Adaptor

2015-07-29 Thread Conway Bennett
Like to buy used as this will be a place holder.  Thanks in advance.

FW,

Captain Conway

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Steve Palincsar



On 07/29/2015 02:01 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
It's perhaps worth repeating for those new to the rainwear discussion 
since we last had it that breathable waterproof/repellent modern 
fabrics worn at aerobic levels of activity (regardless of outside 
temperature) rapidly feel like wet trash bags inside because they can 
not keep up with the amount of vapor the body puts off (and can't 
handle liquid sweat at all) so it rapidly because just as wet on the 
inside as if nothing was worn. Ventile, on the other hand, breathes 
like a cotton t-shirt does, and if it has a layer of cotton analogy 
that uses capilary action to push vapor AND liquids out, it stays 
stunningly dry with high levels of activity even in day long pouring 
conditions. This is critical when the temps are in the 20-60˚F range.



Ventile is great.  Only thing is, Ventile's pretty hot to wear when it's 
70 degrees or above.



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RE: [RBW] What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Well, this is always a bit of an embarrassing exercise: lots of bikes, but 
mostly only one rider (except for the beach cruisers).  Two garages, one at 
home in Delaware, one at beach house at the Jersey Shore.  I have too many 
bikes, but always have trouble simplifying my files (I was duly impressed by 
Bill Lindsay's recent 5 bike purge!).  Anyway, here goes.

AT HOME IN DELAWARE:
Fully rideable bikes (in order of acquisition):
•   56 cm Bombadil, originally raw clearcoat with drops and 9 speed XT 
drivetrain, now repainted black and rebuilt (by me) with Rohloff drivetrain and 
Bullmoose bars.  SON dynamo lighting all around, Pass and Stow and Tubus racks. 
 A wonderful bike, but interestingly doesn't get much riding time.  Most of my 
riding at home is on the road, so Homer or Quickbeam usually get the call.  
Here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/18223610733/in/dateposted-public/
•   60cm Quickbeam, custom maroon paint job from Riv.  Purchased as a 
frame/fork special, built by Riv.  Drop bars, Woody's fenders.  Still my 
favorite bike.  Here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/14449120190/in/album-72157645233707117/
•   Custom A.N.T. truss bike, built by me (!) at a weeklong framebuilding 
course with Mike Flanagan in Massachusetts.  Matte finish rust colored 
powdercoat.  Built up as a fixed gear, with wooden rims, Paul Components parts, 
Rivet saddle, and Bosco bars.  Really fun bike, and a source of pride for me as 
the only bike I had a hand in actually building the frame.  Here:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8088486352/in/album-72157630285823166/
•   61cm Homer Hilsen.  Built by Riv with Noodles and XT drivetrain, White 
industries hubs.  Just installed a carved Cambium, which I love.  This and the 
'beam get most of my riding time.  Here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/19721490691/in/dateposted-public/
•   61 cm Atlantis.  This bike has been through a couple of iterations, but 
the basic build is still as it arrived from Rivendell.  Custom Pewter paint 
job, Albatross bars, 9 speed.  Dynamo lighting.  This is a supremely 
comfortable bike, wonderful tourer, but somewhat duplicative of the Bombadil.  
I'm probably going to sell one of them.  Make me an offer!  Here:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/11252425444/in/album-72157624427413755/
•   '85(?) Stumpjumper.  This bike was built around a cool wheelset that I 
bought from Jim Thill, Phil Wood rear and SON front, 48 spoke rear and 40 spoke 
front.  Talk about a bombproof set of wheels!  It has the Nitto racks with the 
removeable low-riders front and rear, and Bullmoose Bosco bars.  It's 
completely redundant, given the Bomba and the Atlantis, but I like it and it 
gets ridden as a loaner from time to time – and a nice loaner it is.  Here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/9785981285/in/album-72157635815847045/
•   '85 Bridgestone MB-2 Resurrectio.  Repainted and completely rebuilt as 
a sort of townie bike.  2 speed Sturmey Archer Kickback hub, laced to the 
original gold ano rim.  Alba bars.  The Paul Flatbed rack screwed up the 
handling, so it's gone.  Brown Fat Franks. This bike is probably headed to the 
Shore as the engine for my 2 year old grandson's new Wee-Hoo! Trailer.  Here:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/6708095501/in/album-72157628383880621/
•   Rivendell Mystery Bike (the proto-Appaloosa).  Dark, SimpleOne-like 
green.  I installed fenders, dynamo lighting, and a Tubus rack, but otherwise 
it's pretty much as received from Riv, with the Bosco Bullmoose bars that it 
was designed for.  Hasn't been ridden much lately, but writing this makes me 
want to move it up in the rotation.  Wonderful, absurdly comfortable bike, 
rides like a limo – an excellent handling limo.  If Riv does bring these into 
production, believe the hype!  Here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8367710962/in/album-72157630957672582/
•   Mid-'90s Trek hybrid, rebuilt for my wife with an 8 speed Shimano Nexus 
IGH.  Albatross bars.  Not ridden much.  She rides all the time at the Shore, 
but uses one speed beater cruisers.
•   Gitane Tour de France, around 60cm.  Tasteful purple color.  Nice bike, 
never gets ridden.

Bikes partially built, but not currently rideable:
•   '70s (?) Raleigh Competition, completely reimagined and modified by 
Peter Weigle as a low trail 650B randonneur.  I'm in the middle of building the 
wheelset for this bike.  It's a really stunning bike; should be finished in a 
week or two.  Here it is as mocked up by Peter for sale:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8432741668/in/datetaken/
•   59 cm SS coupled Saluki.  Painted Bleriot blue.  This bike has the 
nice Herse crankset, Paul Cantis and Noodles.  Cambium saddle.  This bike is 
basically done, but I need to tweak the fit.  I'm retiring in a few months, and 
I envision this as my travel bike --- I hope it gets a lot of use!  Here's 

[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Philip Williamson
Cool thread!

60cm green Quickbeam - fixed/free, front basket, 38mm tires. 
L Bontrager Privateer - front shock, drop bars, 3x9 speed. 
XL Singular Gryphon - singlespeed, drop bars, rigid fork
25 Ross fixie - dingle cogs, moustache bars, 32mm tires. Low trail. 
42cm Fisher Utopia - looong seatpost, drop bars, Big Apple tires, Kona P2 
rigid fork. 2x9 (manual front shift). 
59cm LeMond Nevada City - New bike! 3x8 gears, integrated shifters, 25mm 
tires. Borrowed seatpost and saddle from the Quickbeam. 
42cm Trek Belleville - my wife's modern mixte. Integrated dynamo lighting, 
racks. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 5:25:31 PM UTC-7, murphyjrfk wrote:

 I always wonder-i betcha there are a lot of cool bikes around. And right 
 now I have a lot of bikes. I feel a bit self indulgent but I don't feel too 
 bad when I think of the use. I have a pretty bikey family, a bike job 
 and live in a great city to ride bikes in. I don't drive much either-like 
 under 2k miles a year so that makes me feel even less guilty. But i'll 
 start in order of importance.-well at least my order. 

 51 sage green Sam. Best bike ever. Get's used every day. 
 54 orange quickbeam. Super duper fun. 
 Cannondale Adventure 2 step through hybrid. Permanent baby seat gets used 
 a lot. 
 Electra Townie 7d. My wife's ride which is super fun. 
 1969 Schwinn Twinn-which my oldest daughter (8) thinks is the coolest bike 
 ever. Mostly because she doesn't have to pedal. And it has baskets for all 
 her dolls. 
 Jamis Capri 24 that's my oldest daughters ride. Fine little bike. First 
 one she got to pick out all by herself. I asked her why she likes it 
 best-she said it makes me feel like I'm a teenager-I'm in trouble. 
 Surly LHT which usually sees super nasty weather duty. I'm not sure if 
 I'll hang on to that one but it's a good bike so I probably will. 

 Needless to say we have never had a car in our garage. My wife stopped 
 complaining a while ago. So I guess it's ok. 

 I hope others play along. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Moore
Oh, oh, oh! Photos, photos, photos please! Merlin, Hampsten, Ducati,
Viking, Motobecane, Linskey, Eisentraut! Gordon too!

The house at the nw corner of my little cul de sac is rented by what appear
to be a contingent of college students; they appear Navajo, perhaps
attending the nearby Navajo college. One owns a 2001 Ducati 750 which I've
drooled over as I walk by. Surprisingly retro looking compared to the rice
rockets so popular among the young hereabouts; the local elderly bad boys
and the dentist-types who want to look mean ride farting Harleys or such
like. Anyway, I've toyed with the idea of a motorbike, non-rice, non-Harley
(Harleys require flabby upper arms), thinking back to my teenagerhood in
late '60s early '70s Nairobi where the cool guys rode old British iron -- a
friend had a BSA 441 that we thought was the epitome of coolness, and my
135 lb guitar teacher bought an old dirt track racer, stripped Norton, that
he could barely kick over. (I observed, but I was already building my own
bikes -- liked to race the smaller motos along the dirt road to the Nairobi
International School campus on my half-stepped Sprite.)

(Draws in a long, sobbing breath after that excessively long parenthesis.)

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:54 PM, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Orange Rambouillet, Campy 10 (Riv content checked off)
 Hampsten Travelissimo Ti, built by Kent Eriksen, Campy 10
 Merlin Agilis Ti Campy 10
 Schwinn Paramount 60th Anniversary Ti, built by Serotta, Campy 10
 Seven Alaris Ti Campy 10 with flat bars.  Why?  Set it up for my wife, who
 rides the same size I do, but she never rides it.
 Bruce Gordon Hikari 1989 touring bike, XT 8
 Specialized Sequoia 1983
 Eisentraut Limited 1975 with Campy Super Record from the 80's
 Motobecane Le Champion, 1979-ish, built as a townie
 Viking Pathracer, mid 1950's, single-speed, Northroad bars
 Lynskey Ridgeline Ti hardtail 29'er, SRAM 2x10
 Ritchey Timber Comp, 1984, built for me, awaiting restoration and some
 tweaks.  It will be a drop-bar all-rounder with Campy 10.

 Each one with very distinct character, some with distinct purposes.  I
 bought the Paramount and the Hikari almost at the same time, and abruptly
 arrived at N+0.

 Oh, and also a Ducati Multistrada with touring bags.

 ~pb
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders in Summer

2015-07-29 Thread Daniel D.
I'm sure plenty of people would if they had a spare 7 million dollars 
burning a hole in their pocket.  

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 4:45:59 AM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:

 Yes but...does anyone commute in a car like that? How many people drive a 
 car like that on the road? How many people train in a car like that 
 outside of a race? Everyone recognizes that a car like that is fragile and 
 maintenance intensive; completely impractical for normal use. Given that, 
 why is it so many people think that they should ride the equivalent bike on 
 the street and/or bike trail when they are not even in a race?

 Grant is right on this: bike racing has ruined cycling for normal people.

 Doug

 On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 2:54:33 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 No fenders on this baby.

 [image: Inline image 1]

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 https://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/31/taking-off-fenders/

 How many cyclists run fenders year-round on their cars? It still amazes 
 me that nobody thinks a Porsche or a Ferrari is less sporty for having 
 fenders and lights, but on a bike, it's still uncool in certain circles. ;-)

 Jan Heine
 Editor
 Bicycle Quarterly
 www.bikequarterly.com

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[RBW] Re: Quality of Deore front hubs?

2015-07-29 Thread Philip Kim
I agree with Jay. The deore hubs are awesome, slight weight penalty, very 
well sealed and spins pretty smooth. Not as bling as say CK hubs, but also 
don't need any special and expensive tools to service. I usually regrease 
mine once a year after winter. 

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 5:57:22 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Stevie built up a spare front wheel for the '03 Riv using a current model 
 Deore hub instead of the used, silver, road that I wanted. He only charged 
 me $18.95 for the Deore, so I don't mind, but it's rather ugly and I'm 
 thinking of having him rebuild it with a used, better quality, silver road 
 hub. The rim is a silver-on-black Sun/Ringle Equalizer and he used black 
 nipples (yes, I authorized that), so it doesn't look as bad as otherwise; 
 and if the reports of quality are fair, I may not bother with a rebuild.

 Anyone?

 Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Betty Foy (50cm)

2015-07-29 Thread Shoji Takahashi
There's a 50cm Cheviot complete on 
Riv: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-148.htm



On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 1:16:49 PM UTC-4, Eric wrote:

 Still looking for a 50cm (or 52cm)

 Thanks!!


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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Deacon Patrick
It's perhaps worth repeating for those new to the rainwear discussion since 
we last had it that breathable waterproof/repellent modern fabrics worn 
at aerobic levels of activity (regardless of outside temperature) rapidly 
feel like wet trash bags inside because they can not keep up with the 
amount of vapor the body puts off (and can't handle liquid sweat at all) so 
it rapidly because just as wet on the inside as if nothing was worn. 
Ventile, on the other hand, breathes like a cotton t-shirt does, and if it 
has a layer of cotton analogy that uses capilary action to push vapor AND 
liquids out, it stays stunningly dry with high levels of activity even in 
day long pouring conditions. This is critical when the temps are in the 
20-60˚F range.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 8:50:43 AM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 +1 on Ventile (for cooler/cold weather... amazing how good this fabric 
 feels); Brooks (waxed cotton) rain cape for warm weather (like having a 
 well-ventilated tent for your bike... love this!!).


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[RBW] Re: Shameless Self Promotion from Bruce Gordon Cycles

2015-07-29 Thread Abcyclehank
Not sure tires are your main issue Manny, but going with great new tires is 
never a bad idea.  Happy adventuring!  

Sincerely,
Ryan
Spring Lake, MI

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[RBW] Re: Quality of Deore front hubs?

2015-07-29 Thread Ryan Fleming
They sound like they're decent hubs (Deore) ...but maybe in retrospect you 
shoulda kept those dreamy suntour XC9000  front hubs Riv was selling for  
$20...
On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Stevie built up a spare front wheel for the '03 Riv using a current model 
 Deore hub instead of the used, silver, road that I wanted. He only charged 
 me $18.95 for the Deore, so I don't mind, but it's rather ugly and I'm 
 thinking of having him rebuild it with a used, better quality, silver road 
 hub. The rim is a silver-on-black Sun/Ringle Equalizer and he used black 
 nipples (yes, I authorized that), so it doesn't look as bad as otherwise; 
 and if the reports of quality are fair, I may not bother with a rebuild.

 Anyone?

 Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch
Orange Rambouillet, Campy 10 (Riv content checked off)
Hampsten Travelissimo Ti, built by Kent Eriksen, Campy 10
Merlin Agilis Ti Campy 10
Schwinn Paramount 60th Anniversary Ti, built by Serotta, Campy 10
Seven Alaris Ti Campy 10 with flat bars.  Why?  Set it up for my wife, who 
rides the same size I do, but she never rides it.  
Bruce Gordon Hikari 1989 touring bike, XT 8
Specialized Sequoia 1983
Eisentraut Limited 1975 with Campy Super Record from the 80's
Motobecane Le Champion, 1979-ish, built as a townie
Viking Pathracer, mid 1950's, single-speed, Northroad bars
Lynskey Ridgeline Ti hardtail 29'er, SRAM 2x10
Ritchey Timber Comp, 1984, built for me, awaiting restoration and some 
tweaks.  It will be a drop-bar all-rounder with Campy 10.

Each one with very distinct character, some with distinct purposes.  I 
bought the Paramount and the Hikari almost at the same time, and abruptly 
arrived at N+0.

Oh, and also a Ducati Multistrada with touring bags. 

~pb
(who needs to move to Sonoma so he has more riding options)


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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch
oops ...  I knew I was missing one.

Gunnar Roadie SS, Campy 10

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 11:54:20 AM UTC-7, pb wrote:

 Orange Rambouillet, Campy 10 (Riv content checked off)
 Hampsten Travelissimo Ti, built by Kent Eriksen, Campy 10
 Merlin Agilis Ti Campy 10
 Schwinn Paramount 60th Anniversary Ti, built by Serotta, Campy 10
 Seven Alaris Ti Campy 10 with flat bars.  Why?  Set it up for my wife, who 
 rides the same size I do, but she never rides it.  
 Bruce Gordon Hikari 1989 touring bike, XT 8
 Specialized Sequoia 1983
 Eisentraut Limited 1975 with Campy Super Record from the 80's
 Motobecane Le Champion, 1979-ish, built as a townie
 Viking Pathracer, mid 1950's, single-speed, Northroad bars
 Lynskey Ridgeline Ti hardtail 29'er, SRAM 2x10
 Ritchey Timber Comp, 1984, built for me, awaiting restoration and some 
 tweaks.  It will be a drop-bar all-rounder with Campy 10.

 Each one with very distinct character, some with distinct purposes.  I 
 bought the Paramount and the Hikari almost at the same time, and abruptly 
 arrived at N+0.

 Oh, and also a Ducati Multistrada with touring bags. 

 ~pb
 (who needs to move to Sonoma so he has more riding options)




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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Corwin
My stable:

Late '80s Univega Activa Cross - bequeathed to son when he was tall enough
2009 Novara Commuter - youngest daughter's bike (she's away at school)
2005 Breezer Villager - Currently ridden by middle daughter
Late '80s Bianchi Brava - Currently ridden by middle daughter
Mid '90s Bianchi Cross Project - 61cm - My favorite bike.
2004 Rivendell Quickbeam - 62cm - my first Rivendell
2009 Rivendell Custom - 60.2cm - my second Rivendell, set up as a fast road 
bike
Early '60s Schwinn Bantam - Ridden by each of the kids. They won't let me 
get rid of it.

I never have a car in my garage either.

Regards,



Corwin

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[RBW] WTT/FS Baggins deluxe handlebar bag

2015-07-29 Thread drew


i won this on ebay last week. maybe i was bidding against some of you. made 
by duluth for rivendell. its bigger than i thought, and i cant really find 
a use for it on my current lineup, most of which have front baskets.  its a 
nice bag. zippered big area, 2 buckle pockets face you, one flat exterior 
pocket. ideally, i'd like to trade for a carradice barley or small 
saddlesack in tan, or something similar like that. also, ill sell it for 
95$ shipped, which is what i paid. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Moore
Tweaking this thread: I see most responders have quite large collections.
My own ownership predilection is for a few and those just right; this based
on a sort of perfectionist obsession that has led me into spending
excessive amounts trying to perfect bikes that couldn't be perfected
w/relation to my wants. So presently I'm happy with 4: gofast; all round
errand and do everything road bike (fenders, racks, bags, lights); off road
bike (a dirt road rather than a mountain bike); and a folder on the cheap.

What are all y'all's criteria for keep instead of sell?

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:02 PM, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com
wrote:

 What's in my garage?...lots of stuff!  It's old and small but can hold a
 lot, however, it requires some dance steps to get a bike out the door and
 on the road.  Bikes include my 01 Riv Road, Bleriot, Paramount, Hetchin's,
 77 Trek, Rock Combo, Ross Mtn. Bike, old Atala tandem, 3-4 wife/kid bikes,
 etc, etc.  I also have a couple stashed in the crawl space in preparation
 for Armageddon.








 On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 5:25:31 PM UTC-7, murphyjrfk wrote:

 I always wonder-i betcha there are a lot of cool bikes around. And right
 now I have a lot of bikes. I feel a bit self indulgent but I don't feel too
 bad when I think of the use. I have a pretty bikey family, a bike job
 and live in a great city to ride bikes in. I don't drive much either-like
 under 2k miles a year so that makes me feel even less guilty. But i'll
 start in order of importance.-well at least my order.

 51 sage green Sam. Best bike ever. Get's used every day.
 54 orange quickbeam. Super duper fun.
 Cannondale Adventure 2 step through hybrid. Permanent baby seat gets used
 a lot.
 Electra Townie 7d. My wife's ride which is super fun.
 1969 Schwinn Twinn-which my oldest daughter (8) thinks is the coolest
 bike ever. Mostly because she doesn't have to pedal. And it has baskets for
 all her dolls.
 Jamis Capri 24 that's my oldest daughters ride. Fine little bike. First
 one she got to pick out all by herself. I asked her why she likes it
 best-she said it makes me feel like I'm a teenager-I'm in trouble.
 Surly LHT which usually sees super nasty weather duty. I'm not sure if
 I'll hang on to that one but it's a good bike so I probably will.

 Needless to say we have never had a car in our garage. My wife stopped
 complaining a while ago. So I guess it's ok.

 I hope others play along.

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Deacon Patrick
Garth, you are right: single layer ventile isn't waterproof. Double layer 
and Cotton Analogy layers ventile are waterproof. Yes, they are 
heavier/bulkier. They also replace the weight/bulk of a rain jacket and one 
layer of warmer clothing, at least for me. I don't know what your 
definition of packable is, but I pack mine all the time and take single 
layer or cotton analogy depending on activity/duration, anticipated 
conditions. 

Steve said: Ventile's pretty hot to wear when it's 70 degrees or above. 

At which point there is no need for a rain jacket. Just get wet and be 
warm. Grin. That why I specified the temp range of up to 60˚F. 

With abandon,
Patrick 

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  Ventile is not completely 100 percent waterproof. It's also bulky , 
 not exactly small packing if packable at all. 

   So called waterproof *and* breathable fabrics only exist as relatives 
 .  A truly 100 percent waterproof fabric won't breathe , and a vapor 
 permeable fabric by it's nature of being permeable cannot be 100 percent 
 waterproof. 

So to me, all arguments for a given philosophy are flawed no matter how 
 it's thought of . 

There just isn't a perfect fabric . And while someone may say it's 
 perfect for me , they're really only settling for imperfection .  True 
 Perfection is infallible and Absolute.  Not found in a material world , no 
 matter all the man made inventions that have been are are to be . 

  So what's the solution of all solutions , Absolute ?   It's not found 
 at all  . . .  . in fact inventions and searching only confirm a belief it 
 is not already Present !  Yes . . . . Present and at Hand . 


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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Richard Rios
Currently in my garage...
53 proto hunqapullar bullmoose bars WTB 650b line tires. This is my mountain 
bike.
56 Atlantis awaiting build with albatross bars and Clem driverrain.
56  58 simpleones one for off road and one for on roadn' one drops one 
albastache.
56 Sam hillborne double top tube boscomoose set up for shopping n camping which 
I must admit it has been dismally underused for.
and his and hers Electra beach cruisers.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders in Summer

2015-07-29 Thread Daniel D.
I'm sure plenty of people would if they had a spare 16 million dollars 
lying around.  

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 4:45:59 AM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:

 Yes but...does anyone commute in a car like that? How many people drive a 
 car like that on the road? How many people train in a car like that 
 outside of a race? Everyone recognizes that a car like that is fragile and 
 maintenance intensive; completely impractical for normal use. Given that, 
 why is it so many people think that they should ride the equivalent bike on 
 the street and/or bike trail when they are not even in a race?

 Grant is right on this: bike racing has ruined cycling for normal people.

 Doug

 On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 2:54:33 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 No fenders on this baby.

 [image: Inline image 1]

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 https://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/31/taking-off-fenders/

 How many cyclists run fenders year-round on their cars? It still amazes 
 me that nobody thinks a Porsche or a Ferrari is less sporty for having 
 fenders and lights, but on a bike, it's still uncool in certain circles. ;-)

 Jan Heine
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[RBW] Re: wtb: Betty Foy (50cm)

2015-07-29 Thread Eric
Saw it but was given the reply it looks like poo green. Yep, not a fan!

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Re: [RBW] Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-29 Thread Eric Daume
What useful bikes are being kept from buyers? Hybrids, city bikes,
cyclocross bikes, fat tire gravel bikes... All are easily available.

I think it's time to stop the narrative that people only buy MCFR bikes
because that's all that's available, or they're somehow forced to. People
have more options than ever, and can buy what they want.

Eric but no MCFR bike for me Daume

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 I just think that racing has a negative impact on bike design for the
 general public. Keep BORAF and races like that if you want, but I would
 like to see many more real world races on real world bikes which would
 influence bicycle purchases in a POSITIVE rather than a negative manner.
 Current races glamorize super lightweight, super fragile bikes. Have
 equipment endurance racing events (or whatever you want to call them) and
 make the racers start and finish on the SAME bike, carry all their tools
 and spare parts, and make all their own in race repairs.This would
 glamorize USEFUL bikes and encourage bike makers to make useful bikes
 available to the public, instead of the ridiculously impractical bikes
 glamorized in most races. Who goes on their daily ride with a van with 3
 spare bikes, spare parts, and a mechanic following? Why would you want to
 buy and ride a bike that requires that logistics trail?

 True, we all know about RBW and other such bikes on this list. But I bet
 that the average bike purchaser does NOT. Equipment Endurance type races on
 durable and repairable bikes would help educate the buying public and steer
 them onto a bike that would be much better for them than the typical MCRB.
 Again, the only race rules would be:
 (1) Start and finish on the same bike.
 (2) Carry all your own repair parts and tools.
 (3) Make all your own in race repairs.

 No other design rules would be necessary. Bike manufacturers would be
 encouraged to manufacture and advertise bikes that would be useful to the
 public.

 Doug

 On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 6:17:29 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 There's a definite negative attitude on this list toward racers. Me, I
 like watching racers in a well-coordinated paceline or climbing efficiently
 or descending skillfully; never raced worth mentioning myself. Our local
 roadies are friendly, and I think 40 year old racing bikes have much to
 recommend them as road-biased all rounders.

 That said, I rode my (modestly racer-like, albeit fixed gear) gofast to
 Fat Tire Bicycles this afternoon to pick up a new (black, clamp on, 1 1/8)
 stem for the Fargo (new, longer reach bar) and a tandem rd cable (running
 the housing along the bar to exit with brake housing near stem). The young
 man at the register saw the '99 Joe and praised it and described the
 Legolas he races local cross on. He installed a straight bar because his
 background is downhill mtb racing, but he finds it much more comfortable
 than his CF cross bike, and says that it doesn't slow him down (he loses
 ground to roadies on the flats/straights, but gets ahead on twisties thanks
 to his mtb handling skills.

 So, there.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders in Summer

2015-07-29 Thread Daniel D.
put a jackhole on a BOBish bike they'd still ride like a jackhole..

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 3:14:24 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:



 On 07/29/2015 05:53 PM, Eric Norris wrote: 
  
  There are all kinds of fun, including the kind that involves dressing 
  up in lycra, swinging your leg over a carbon wonderbike, hitting the 
  bike path, and believing in your own mind, for just a little while, 
  that you’re leading the pack up the Alp d'Huez. 
  
  I repeat: Where’s the harm in that? 

 Even a single rider riding like that on the local MUP is a great way to 
 cause accidents, plenty of harm there. 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders in Summer

2015-07-29 Thread Steve Palincsar
When you ride like you are ...*believing in your own mind, for just a 
little while, that you’re leading the pack up the Alp d'Huez*?There 
are many ways of having fun.  Pretending you are in a road race is just 
one of them.


On 07/29/2015 07:02 PM, Eric Norris wrote:

Well said. Since when does having fun translate into “riding like that”?

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put a jackhole on a BOBish bike they'd still ride like a jackhole..

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 3:14:24 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:



On 07/29/2015 05:53 PM, Eric Norris wrote:

 There are all kinds of fun, including the kind that involves
dressing
 up in lycra, swinging your leg over a carbon wonderbike,
hitting the
 bike path, and believing in your own mind, for just a little
while,
 that you’re leading the pack up the Alp d'Huez.

 I repeat: Where’s the harm in that?

Even a single rider riding like that on the local MUP is a great
way to
cause accidents, plenty of harm there.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders in Summer

2015-07-29 Thread Daniel D.
where does he mention doing it on a crowded MUP or other similarly 
inappropriate route?

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 4:06:01 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  When you ride like you are ...*believing in your own mind, for just a 
 little while, that you’re leading the pack up the Alp d'Huez*?There 
 are many ways of having fun.  Pretending you are in a road race is just one 
 of them.

 On 07/29/2015 07:02 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
  
 Well said. Since when does having fun translate into “riding like that”? 

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  On Jul 29, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Daniel D. dddo...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

  put a jackhole on a BOBish bike they'd still ride like a jackhole..

 On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 3:14:24 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: 



 On 07/29/2015 05:53 PM, Eric Norris wrote: 
  
  There are all kinds of fun, including the kind that involves dressing 
  up in lycra, swinging your leg over a carbon wonderbike, hitting the 
  bike path, and believing in your own mind, for just a little while, 
  that you’re leading the pack up the Alp d'Huez. 
  
  I repeat: Where’s the harm in that? 

 Even a single rider riding like that on the local MUP is a great way to 
 cause accidents, plenty of harm there. 


  
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[RBW] Re: Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-29 Thread Doug Williams
I just think that racing has a negative impact on bike design for the 
general public. Keep BORAF and races like that if you want, but I would 
like to see many more real world races on real world bikes which would 
influence bicycle purchases in a POSITIVE rather than a negative manner. 
Current races glamorize super lightweight, super fragile bikes. Have 
equipment endurance racing events (or whatever you want to call them) and 
make the racers start and finish on the SAME bike, carry all their tools 
and spare parts, and make all their own in race repairs.This would 
glamorize USEFUL bikes and encourage bike makers to make useful bikes 
available to the public, instead of the ridiculously impractical bikes 
glamorized in most races. Who goes on their daily ride with a van with 3 
spare bikes, spare parts, and a mechanic following? Why would you want to 
buy and ride a bike that requires that logistics trail?

True, we all know about RBW and other such bikes on this list. But I bet 
that the average bike purchaser does NOT. Equipment Endurance type races on 
durable and repairable bikes would help educate the buying public and steer 
them onto a bike that would be much better for them than the typical MCRB. 
Again, the only race rules would be:
(1) Start and finish on the same bike.
(2) Carry all your own repair parts and tools.
(3) Make all your own in race repairs.

No other design rules would be necessary. Bike manufacturers would be 
encouraged to manufacture and advertise bikes that would be useful to the 
public. 

Doug

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 6:17:29 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 There's a definite negative attitude on this list toward racers. Me, I 
 like watching racers in a well-coordinated paceline or climbing efficiently 
 or descending skillfully; never raced worth mentioning myself. Our local 
 roadies are friendly, and I think 40 year old racing bikes have much to 
 recommend them as road-biased all rounders.

 That said, I rode my (modestly racer-like, albeit fixed gear) gofast to 
 Fat Tire Bicycles this afternoon to pick up a new (black, clamp on, 1 1/8) 
 stem for the Fargo (new, longer reach bar) and a tandem rd cable (running 
 the housing along the bar to exit with brake housing near stem). The young 
 man at the register saw the '99 Joe and praised it and described the 
 Legolas he races local cross on. He installed a straight bar because his 
 background is downhill mtb racing, but he finds it much more comfortable 
 than his CF cross bike, and says that it doesn't slow him down (he loses 
 ground to roadies on the flats/straights, but gets ahead on twisties thanks 
 to his mtb handling skills.

 So, there. 

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread 'joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch
only one
60cm quickbeam set up as 10 speed with albatross bars and barend shifters.
joe

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 8:25:31 PM UTC-4, murphyjrfk wrote:

 I always wonder-i betcha there are a lot of cool bikes around. And right 
 now I have a lot of bikes. I feel a bit self indulgent but I don't feel too 
 bad when I think of the use. I have a pretty bikey family, a bike job 
 and live in a great city to ride bikes in. I don't drive much either-like 
 under 2k miles a year so that makes me feel even less guilty. But i'll 
 start in order of importance.-well at least my order. 

 51 sage green Sam. Best bike ever. Get's used every day. 
 54 orange quickbeam. Super duper fun. 
 Cannondale Adventure 2 step through hybrid. Permanent baby seat gets used 
 a lot. 
 Electra Townie 7d. My wife's ride which is super fun. 
 1969 Schwinn Twinn-which my oldest daughter (8) thinks is the coolest bike 
 ever. Mostly because she doesn't have to pedal. And it has baskets for all 
 her dolls. 
 Jamis Capri 24 that's my oldest daughters ride. Fine little bike. First 
 one she got to pick out all by herself. I asked her why she likes it 
 best-she said it makes me feel like I'm a teenager-I'm in trouble. 
 Surly LHT which usually sees super nasty weather duty. I'm not sure if 
 I'll hang on to that one but it's a good bike so I probably will. 

 Needless to say we have never had a car in our garage. My wife stopped 
 complaining a while ago. So I guess it's ok. 

 I hope others play along. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders in Summer

2015-07-29 Thread Eric Norris
Well said. Since when does having fun translate into “riding like that”? 

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 On Jul 29, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Daniel D. dddon...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 put a jackhole on a BOBish bike they'd still ride like a jackhole..
 
 On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 3:14:24 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
 
 
 On 07/29/2015 05:53 PM, Eric Norris wrote: 
  
  There are all kinds of fun, including the kind that involves dressing 
  up in lycra, swinging your leg over a carbon wonderbike, hitting the 
  bike path, and believing in your own mind, for just a little while, 
  that you’re leading the pack up the Alp d'Huez. 
  
  I repeat: Where’s the harm in that? 
 
 Even a single rider riding like that on the local MUP is a great way to 
 cause accidents, plenty of harm there. 
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-29 Thread Doug Williams
Nobody ever said that only MCRB's are available. I just said that only 
MCRB's are raced and glamorized, and that real world bike design could 
benefit from the same testing and glamour that MCRB's receive. I'm 
advocating race testing of practical, durable, and reliable bikes. 
Reliability would be race tested. That would provide useful information 
to the public. Wouldn't you be interested to know which fast bike could 
complete a long race with the fewest repairs and the most reliability? I 
might buy that bike.

Doug

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 4:51:40 PM UTC-7, Eric Daume wrote:

 What useful bikes are being kept from buyers? Hybrids, city bikes, 
 cyclocross bikes, fat tire gravel bikes... All are easily available. 

 I think it's time to stop the narrative that people only buy MCFR bikes 
 because that's all that's available, or they're somehow forced to. People 
 have more options than ever, and can buy what they want. 

 Eric but no MCFR bike for me Daume

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 javascript: wrote:

 I just think that racing has a negative impact on bike design for the 
 general public. Keep BORAF and races like that if you want, but I would 
 like to see many more real world races on real world bikes which would 
 influence bicycle purchases in a POSITIVE rather than a negative manner. 
 Current races glamorize super lightweight, super fragile bikes. Have 
 equipment endurance racing events (or whatever you want to call them) and 
 make the racers start and finish on the SAME bike, carry all their tools 
 and spare parts, and make all their own in race repairs.This would 
 glamorize USEFUL bikes and encourage bike makers to make useful bikes 
 available to the public, instead of the ridiculously impractical bikes 
 glamorized in most races. Who goes on their daily ride with a van with 3 
 spare bikes, spare parts, and a mechanic following? Why would you want to 
 buy and ride a bike that requires that logistics trail?

 True, we all know about RBW and other such bikes on this list. But I bet 
 that the average bike purchaser does NOT. Equipment Endurance type races on 
 durable and repairable bikes would help educate the buying public and steer 
 them onto a bike that would be much better for them than the typical MCRB. 
 Again, the only race rules would be:
 (1) Start and finish on the same bike.
 (2) Carry all your own repair parts and tools.
 (3) Make all your own in race repairs.

 No other design rules would be necessary. Bike manufacturers would be 
 encouraged to manufacture and advertise bikes that would be useful to the 
 public. 

 Doug

 On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 6:17:29 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 There's a definite negative attitude on this list toward racers. Me, I 
 like watching racers in a well-coordinated paceline or climbing efficiently 
 or descending skillfully; never raced worth mentioning myself. Our local 
 roadies are friendly, and I think 40 year old racing bikes have much to 
 recommend them as road-biased all rounders.

 That said, I rode my (modestly racer-like, albeit fixed gear) gofast to 
 Fat Tire Bicycles this afternoon to pick up a new (black, clamp on, 1 1/8) 
 stem for the Fargo (new, longer reach bar) and a tandem rd cable (running 
 the housing along the bar to exit with brake housing near stem). The young 
 man at the register saw the '99 Joe and praised it and described the 
 Legolas he races local cross on. He installed a straight bar because his 
 background is downhill mtb racing, but he finds it much more comfortable 
 than his CF cross bike, and says that it doesn't slow him down (he loses 
 ground to roadies on the flats/straights, but gets ahead on twisties thanks 
 to his mtb handling skills.

 So, there. 

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread murphyjrfk
There certainly are a lot of cool bikes out there. If we all keep hoarding so 
bad we might have to organize a virtual swap meet! 

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[RBW] Re: Where to buy SKS fenders?

2015-07-29 Thread David Banzer
I think most LBS's should be able to order them. 
If not: 
http://www.amazon.com/SKS-Commuter-Bolt-On-Mountain-Fenders/dp/B00XFJB4VW
David
Chicago

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 7:03:00 PM UTC-5, Wayne Naha wrote:

 Other than Riv, I mean.  I would love to buy these SKS/ESGE Commuter II 
 Fenders - B65 from Riv, but they are only offered in silver.  I am not that 
 fond of the silver, and would prefer black.  The young man I was speaking 
 with over the phone said I would really be better off buying from somewhere 
 else in that case, and avoiding the $10 special order fee.  Really seemed 
 like they didn't want to take my money if it meant doing a special order. 
  A little odd, but whatever.  So, where to go for a reputable dealer who 
 supplies what Riv does not?


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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Tony DeFilippo
This kind of thread is always fun, I love seeing everyone's list so here's 
mine.

Home:

60cm Riv Saluki, canti, albatrossed 1x8, primary commuter, primary all 
around...
56cm Riv Bombadil, Nitto Dirt Drop's, 3x8, currently sporting 2.25 knobbies 
but waiting for a set of the new Compass 650bx48mm tires after which I 
expect to get it out quite a bit more
61cm Bob Jackson, noodle go fast, 700cx32 tires w/a  nice Phil 48H 120mm 
rear wheel.  Tall and nimble,feels quick.
59cm XO-3, re-build pending putting some time into it, moustache bar 
eno-centric single speed build is the target...I'm starting to think 4 is 
to many to use regularly but need to have 4 actually built to come to a 
conclusion.
60cm Trek 6xx, bare frame/fork... notionally it's a frame I'll play around 
w/ brazing on if I get around to that project
Burly Bossa Nova Tandem, 700C converted w/ Compass 38mm tires, Bruce Gordon 
racks... just got berthoud fenders to mount up
Motobecane Mirage Mixte, townie build for my wife. My first self-build. 
(going to be replaced by a 52cm Orange Clementine this fall!
52cm Bianchi Brava, 8spd 105 build kit w/ drops and brifters. My wife's 
favorite bike and she won't let me put tires bigger than 25mm on it...
~50cm MB-3, Albatross, Big Ben's, killer commuter setup... doesn't get alot 
of use as my wife doesn't like the bar end shifters.

Campsite (in the woods):
Large Rockhopper, bullmoose bars, 3x7spd
Medium MB-5, Bosco bars, 3x7 spd

Mom's House (NC Lake):
Univega 26 Tandem, flat bars, 3x8 spd, fun and easy.

Whew... think thats it.  I'd love to swap out the old 26er mtb's at camp 
for a fatbike or two someday and my wife's MB-3 will likely go to camp or 
get sold off once the Clementine arrives.  Unless my daily routine changed 
a bunch I can't see myself getting away from the Saluki/Bombadil main two 
bikes.  Maybe a travel oriented bike, maybe I get the XO-3 coupled to fill 
that niche... who knows!  :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders in Summer

2015-07-29 Thread Steve Palincsar
He said doing it, *where's the harm*; I said doing it on a MUP (as so 
many do) could indeed create harm.  Obviously, you don't have to do it 
on a MUP; but we often see pathaletes doing it.


On 07/29/2015 07:12 PM, Daniel D. wrote:
where does he mention doing it on a crowded MUP or other similarly 
inappropriate route?


On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 4:06:01 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

When you ride like you are ...*believing in your own mind, for
just a little while, that you’re leading the pack up the Alp
d'Huez*? There are many ways of having fun.  Pretending you are
in a road race is just one of them.

On 07/29/2015 07:02 PM, Eric Norris wrote:

Well said. Since when does having fun translate into “riding like
that”?

--Eric N
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On Jul 29, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Daniel D. dddo...@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:

put a jackhole on a BOBish bike they'd still ride like a jackhole..

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 3:14:24 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar
wrote:



On 07/29/2015 05:53 PM, Eric Norris wrote:

 There are all kinds of fun, including the kind that
involves dressing
 up in lycra, swinging your leg over a carbon wonderbike,
hitting the
 bike path, and believing in your own mind, for just a
little while,
 that you’re leading the pack up the Alp d'Huez.

 I repeat: Where’s the harm in that?

Even a single rider riding like that on the local MUP is a
great way to
cause accidents, plenty of harm there.



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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread 'Hudson Doerge' via RBW Owners Bunch
Downsized a little recently. 
What I've got now:
Riv Simpleone, 56
Elephant NFE, medium
Salsa El Mariachi, 19

Pretty happy with this stable. Could probably live without the S1, but I really 
like it!

Hudson in ATX

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread David Banzer
I've gotten mine down, probably could live with just 2 bikes at the moment:

64cm Schwinn Voyageur - 1984 - 1x6 speed with shortened Soma Oxford bars 
and a single dt shifter, though it's been mostly a drop bar single speed 
for it's life with me - probably will never get rid of this one
65cm Rivendell Redwood - meant for 700c wheels, now sports 48mm 650b tires, 
drop bars, 1x8, never getting rid of this after the 650b conversion
62cm (!!!) Trek 850 - 1983 - just picked this up last week, single speed 
drop bar - fits 60mm 26 tires, hoping this works out for me, time will tell
59cm Rivendell Clem - on the way

at folks place in Seattle:
65cm Trek 330 - 650b'd with canti brakes, gets ridden far to rarely, though 
it's a great road bike with 38mm tires

on the way out:
65cm Trek 620 - 1983 - stayed with me too shortly, 650b'd single speed, 
though now being built up as 700x32mm upright single speed, probably to 
sell as the Trek 850 came into my life

David
Chicago

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 7:25:31 PM UTC-5, murphyjrfk wrote:

 I always wonder-i betcha there are a lot of cool bikes around. And right 
 now I have a lot of bikes. I feel a bit self indulgent but I don't feel too 
 bad when I think of the use. I have a pretty bikey family, a bike job 
 and live in a great city to ride bikes in. I don't drive much either-like 
 under 2k miles a year so that makes me feel even less guilty. But i'll 
 start in order of importance.-well at least my order. 

 51 sage green Sam. Best bike ever. Get's used every day. 
 54 orange quickbeam. Super duper fun. 
 Cannondale Adventure 2 step through hybrid. Permanent baby seat gets used 
 a lot. 
 Electra Townie 7d. My wife's ride which is super fun. 
 1969 Schwinn Twinn-which my oldest daughter (8) thinks is the coolest bike 
 ever. Mostly because she doesn't have to pedal. And it has baskets for all 
 her dolls. 
 Jamis Capri 24 that's my oldest daughters ride. Fine little bike. First 
 one she got to pick out all by herself. I asked her why she likes it 
 best-she said it makes me feel like I'm a teenager-I'm in trouble. 
 Surly LHT which usually sees super nasty weather duty. I'm not sure if 
 I'll hang on to that one but it's a good bike so I probably will. 

 Needless to say we have never had a car in our garage. My wife stopped 
 complaining a while ago. So I guess it's ok. 

 I hope others play along. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders in Summer

2015-07-29 Thread Evan E.
Congratulations, Eric. You made a good point and you expressed it well--and 
Steve found a way to criticize it.  :)


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[RBW] Re: Where to buy SKS fenders?

2015-07-29 Thread Joe Bernard
It's quite common with Riv. They sell what they like and promote, and to my 
knowledge have never sold a black fender. They know you can get them 
somewhere else cheaper, and have no interest in charging you extra so they 
can have the sale instead. It's always been this way, and is one of the 
great things about that little company. 

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 5:03:00 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:

 Other than Riv, I mean.  I would love to buy these SKS/ESGE Commuter II 
 Fenders - B65 from Riv, but they are only offered in silver.  I am not that 
 fond of the silver, and would prefer black.  The young man I was speaking 
 with over the phone said I would really be better off buying from somewhere 
 else in that case, and avoiding the $10 special order fee.  Really seemed 
 like they didn't want to take my money if it meant doing a special order. 
  A little odd, but whatever.  So, where to go for a reputable dealer who 
 supplies what Riv does not?


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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Peter Adler
If you're going to break them up that way, then how about this? Oldest to 
newest, room by room:

Living room, running bikes:
 - 1958-to-1962 Follis Tour de France (60s-retro gofast)
 - 1971 Raleigh International (pack mule, Bruce Gordon racks/Ortlieb 
Backrollers)
 - 1972 Follis 472 (70s-retro gofast, almost a 572, but I'm reluctant to 
swap the Stronglight V4 headset out for the inferior Campagnolo Nuovo 
Record)
 - 1988 Bianchi Superleggera (80s-retro gofast)

Living room, projects/frames:
 - 1973 Lambert Professional Grand Prix (the 24K gold-plated one, handed 
over to me for volunteer rehab by the local bike kitchen)
 - 1995 VooDoo Hoodoo (700c CX-ish conversion, for which I need long-pull 
road levers; Dia-Compe 287V or Tektro RL520)
 - 1999 VooDoo Hoodoo (the too-small mountain frame I tried to embiggen for 
years; parts are being transferred to the older Hoodoo)

Dining room, projects/frames:
 - 1972 Raleigh Super Course (in the midst of 650B conversion)

Bedroom, projects/frames:
 - 1972 Bertin C. 234 Américain (54cm - too small)
 - 2001 Marin Treviso (cracked downtube; looking for Columbus Mega M tube 
to replace)

Basement, rusting hulks:
 - early 1960s Bianchi folding (at least, I'm assuming it's still down 
there. The basement's flooded a few times since I tossed it down there 30 
years ago, and it may be unrecognizable by now)

Peter Adler
and I was thinking of a couple of deals for 50s Follises - yikes
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 3:34:32 PM UTC-7, Tony McG wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Re: ...whereby a stone became caught up in his wheel

2015-07-29 Thread Lungimsam

Maybe I am ignorant about racing rules, but I am not understanding why  it was 
unsportsmanlike to attack when Froome stopped. Noone else stops and waits when 
other people crash or have to stop in the TdeF, so what made it wrong? Losing 
due to a mechanical, crash, or otherwise happens in races. Why was this 
different?

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[RBW] Re: Cambium VS. B-17 question

2015-07-29 Thread Lungimsam
Brooks told me a sprung Cambium type saddle is planned for 2016.

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Lungimsam
For warm weather rain riding, I'm almost at the point where I want to wear Keen 
waterproof sandals and just get wet everywhere else. Throw a shower cap on the 
Brooks and just change clothes when I get home. Though I will say that so far 
my Gore Tech shoe covers worked well on the last rain ride I was on.

I also sweat too much under rainwear. The last poncho ride I took had my hands 
getting caught up in the poncho while moving hands around on the drops. 
Dangerous. After the 25? Mile ride I was soaked anyway, saddle wet too as I 
kept finding myself sitting on the tail of the poncho.

So I am thinking Keen waterproof sandals, shower cap on Brooks. Wool clothes 
can be changed when I get home. Everyone else I saw riding that day was in 
regular clothes looking like they didn't mind the soaking.
As for wet weather in the cold months, you'll have to ask a Randonneur. I 
haven't figured that one out yet.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders in Summer

2015-07-29 Thread Lungimsam
Maybe there is a perception that the car engine's capabilities can be easily 
boosted to compensate for the car fender and lights weight more easily than a 
bike engine can be improved, making weight more of a critical penalty to the 
bike engine than to a car engine?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders in Summer

2015-07-29 Thread Doug Williams
Yes but...does anyone commute in a car like that? How many people drive a 
car like that on the road? How many people train in a car like that 
outside of a race? Everyone recognizes that a car like that is fragile and 
maintenance intensive; completely impractical for normal use. Given that, 
why is it so many people think that they should ride the equivalent bike on 
the street and/or bike trail when they are not even in a race?

Grant is right on this: bike racing has ruined cycling for normal people.

Doug

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 2:54:33 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 No fenders on this baby.

 [image: Inline image 1]

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 javascript: wrote:

 https://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/31/taking-off-fenders/

 How many cyclists run fenders year-round on their cars? It still amazes 
 me that nobody thinks a Porsche or a Ferrari is less sporty for having 
 fenders and lights, but on a bike, it's still uncool in certain circles. ;-)

 Jan Heine
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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
green Hillborne
orange Hillborne
blue Bike Friday Diamond Tourist
blue Brompton M6R (son's)
blue Trek 7200 step-thru (wife's)

all have upright handlebars (at the moment), fenders, racks, dyno-wheels  
lights, platform pedals

many-too-many bags, racks, baskets, handlebars/cockpits, non-dyno wheels, 
tires, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera

Yours,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Moore
Make that: If you were on a Clem, you'd be done by now.

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 The pro cycling people must have very good reasons to ride what they ride.
 I don't think these people are dummies.

 While I am not enamoured with them, I have respect for people who can go
 20+mph average speeds and pump out sustained 400+ watts on mountain climbs
 for 40+ minutes at a time. They worked awfully hard for it. And while speed
 isn't everything in the whole picture of bike riding, I think it is a valid
 form of bicycle use. and it is quite an accomplishment to be able to ride
 like that.

 But I do think it would be fun to kid them though in some good-natured,
 chiding-fun way by stationing people with signs 2/3rds along the TdeF
 routes that say: If you were on a Roadeo, you'de be done by now..

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders in Summer

2015-07-29 Thread Bruce
My wife and I spent a rainy May day biking around Mackinaw Island in Michigan, 
famous for having no cars and lots of horses. Our bikes were fenderless. 
Needless to say, we were covered, butt to brainpan, with . . . Everyone on the 
island rides bikes, good, stout, basketed work bikes, all with fenders. I know 
why.

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Re: [RBW] What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Steven Sweedler
96 Riv Road,
2000 All Rounder
Surly Ogre
Thorn Nomad
Stumpjumper, customized with low trail fork
Landshark tourer
steve
Plymouth, New Hampshire

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015, murphyjrfk murphyj...@gmail.com wrote:

 I always wonder-i betcha there are a lot of cool bikes around. And right
 now I have a lot of bikes. I feel a bit self indulgent but I don't feel too
 bad when I think of the use. I have a pretty bikey family, a bike job
 and live in a great city to ride bikes in. I don't drive much either-like
 under 2k miles a year so that makes me feel even less guilty. But i'll
 start in order of importance.-well at least my order.

 51 sage green Sam. Best bike ever. Get's used every day.
 54 orange quickbeam. Super duper fun.
 Cannondale Adventure 2 step through hybrid. Permanent baby seat gets used
 a lot.
 Electra Townie 7d. My wife's ride which is super fun.
 1969 Schwinn Twinn-which my oldest daughter (8) thinks is the coolest bike
 ever. Mostly because she doesn't have to pedal. And it has baskets for all
 her dolls.
 Jamis Capri 24 that's my oldest daughters ride. Fine little bike. First
 one she got to pick out all by herself. I asked her why she likes it
 best-she said it makes me feel like I'm a teenager-I'm in trouble.
 Surly LHT which usually sees super nasty weather duty. I'm not sure if
 I'll hang on to that one but it's a good bike so I probably will.

 Needless to say we have never had a car in our garage. My wife stopped
 complaining a while ago. So I guess it's ok.

 I hope others play along.

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[RBW] Re: Need advice for avoiding embarrassing Brooks saddle stain...

2015-07-29 Thread 'Hudson Doerge' via RBW Owners Bunch
I've also had a few stains as mark describes. Almost like bleach spots from 
the copper rivets in a semicircle. Thought it was a kind of funny sign of how 
much I ride in certain shorts. 

Another interesting note from my experience, I have had a couple black brooks 
saddles that left marks after most rides in light pants. A few years ago I got 
a b17 select, which I have to say is a fantastic quality saddle. The undyed 
leather was supposed to prevent saddle stains and it did for a while, but over 
years of use its almost as dark as the brown brookses and will now leave stains 
on my light colored pants. Just from all the sweat and grime that's been rubbed 
into the saddle over the years. I've found riding with a saddle cover to be 
just fine in most circumstances. The only real difference I've noticed is its a 
little more difficult to slide around on the saddle, which is one of my 
favorite things about a brooks. 

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[RBW] Re: Ballad of the short arms

2015-07-29 Thread Dave Brandt
I'm built the same way and I have been sizing my bikes more towards the top 
tube dimension, then all PBH. My favorite handlebar is the Bosco Bullmoose when 
I can find a real long top tube. As Joe stated prior about being able to get on 
the bike. I personally am not a fan of the Cheviot look but it makes sense for 
people like us.

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Joe Bernard
'15 Bike Friday New World Tourist, folding/breakapart bike, dropbars with 
mostly Shimano Sora STI clicky stuff. I love the rear shifting, but the 
front took to much sideways hand pressure. I unplugged the shifter cable 
and added a Riv Silver bar-end. It looks a little cludgy with the shiftless 
shifter still in place, but I'm probably the only one who will ever notice. 

'90 Schwinn Paramount PDG 70 mtb, Rivendellized with Alba bars, cork grips. 
Drivetrain: Ultegra 8-speed bar-ends, Ultegra Octalink triple cranks, Sachs 
Neos fd, Precision Billet ProShift CNC era rd. 

Dahon Curve 16-inch-wheel folder with Sram Automatix 2-speed hub. 

'98-ish Bianchi Osprey mtb, Shimano STX-RC stuff with Gripshift; old, 
short-travel RockShox front suspension, which almost counts as retro these 
days. Weird!

No-name Chinese electric folder I found for cheap on Craigslist 'cause I 
wanted to try electric. Verdict: It's fun!

Fillet-brazed Hunter mtb frame which needs to be built up.

Old 22-inch-wheel Peugeot folder which needs fork-straightening.

Partially assembled BikesDirect Mini Velo which needs to be finished and 
sold. 

Trident Spike recumbent trike which needs to be sold (I never warmed up to 
trikes like I thought I would).

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.



On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 5:25:31 PM UTC-7, murphyjrfk wrote:

 I always wonder-i betcha there are a lot of cool bikes around. And right 
 now I have a lot of bikes. I feel a bit self indulgent but I don't feel too 
 bad when I think of the use. I have a pretty bikey family, a bike job 
 and live in a great city to ride bikes in. I don't drive much either-like 
 under 2k miles a year so that makes me feel even less guilty. But i'll 
 start in order of importance.-well at least my order. 

 51 sage green Sam. Best bike ever. Get's used every day. 
 54 orange quickbeam. Super duper fun. 
 Cannondale Adventure 2 step through hybrid. Permanent baby seat gets used 
 a lot. 
 Electra Townie 7d. My wife's ride which is super fun. 
 1969 Schwinn Twinn-which my oldest daughter (8) thinks is the coolest bike 
 ever. Mostly because she doesn't have to pedal. And it has baskets for all 
 her dolls. 
 Jamis Capri 24 that's my oldest daughters ride. Fine little bike. First 
 one she got to pick out all by herself. I asked her why she likes it 
 best-she said it makes me feel like I'm a teenager-I'm in trouble. 
 Surly LHT which usually sees super nasty weather duty. I'm not sure if 
 I'll hang on to that one but it's a good bike so I probably will. 

 Needless to say we have never had a car in our garage. My wife stopped 
 complaining a while ago. So I guess it's ok. 

 I hope others play along. 

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[RBW] Where to buy SKS fenders?

2015-07-29 Thread Wayne Naha
Other than Riv, I mean.  I would love to buy these SKS/ESGE Commuter II 
Fenders - B65 from Riv, but they are only offered in silver.  I am not that 
fond of the silver, and would prefer black.  The young man I was speaking 
with over the phone said I would really be better off buying from somewhere 
else in that case, and avoiding the $10 special order fee.  Really seemed 
like they didn't want to take my money if it meant doing a special order. 
 A little odd, but whatever.  So, where to go for a reputable dealer who 
supplies what Riv does not?

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[RBW] Re: Where to buy SKS fenders?

2015-07-29 Thread Daniel D.
Odd?  That's great, they looked out for the customer suggesting a better 
option.  Well maybe that is odd :p

Modern bike has them
On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 5:03:00 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:

 Other than Riv, I mean.  I would love to buy these SKS/ESGE Commuter II 
 Fenders - B65 from Riv, but they are only offered in silver.  I am not that 
 fond of the silver, and would prefer black.  The young man I was speaking 
 with over the phone said I would really be better off buying from somewhere 
 else in that case, and avoiding the $10 special order fee.  Really seemed 
 like they didn't want to take my money if it meant doing a special order. 
  A little odd, but whatever.  So, where to go for a reputable dealer who 
 supplies what Riv does not?


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[RBW] Re: Where to buy SKS fenders?

2015-07-29 Thread Matthew J
My local LBS - Boulevard Bike carries them.  If you are not in Chicago and 
do not have a local LBS as well stocked, Universal Cycles and Ben's in 
Milwaukee both offer on line.  

Of the two, Ben's is has a (very nice) actual store front you can walk in 
to if ever in Milwaukee.  All things equal I prefer buying from Riv or 
Ben's than Universal.

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 7:03:00 PM UTC-5, Wayne Naha wrote:

 Other than Riv, I mean.  I would love to buy these SKS/ESGE Commuter II 
 Fenders - B65 from Riv, but they are only offered in silver.  I am not that 
 fond of the silver, and would prefer black.  The young man I was speaking 
 with over the phone said I would really be better off buying from somewhere 
 else in that case, and avoiding the $10 special order fee.  Really seemed 
 like they didn't want to take my money if it meant doing a special order. 
  A little odd, but whatever.  So, where to go for a reputable dealer who 
 supplies what Riv does not?


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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Evan E.
1969 Raleigh Competition
1978 Trek TX500
1982 Austro-Daimler Superleicht (converted to 650B)

(Yes, I had a Sam Hillborne and I loved it. But it wasn't scratched and at 
least 30 years old. I've discovered that scratched and vintage is a 
requirement for me. But I remain a Riv fan and customer.)

Evan

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Montclair BobbyB
+1 on Ventile (for cooler/cold weather... amazing how good this fabric 
feels); Brooks (waxed cotton) rain cape for warm weather (like having a 
well-ventilated tent for your bike... love this!!).

BB

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 10:15:54 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 I'm confused. You sold the best cycling rain jacket you ever wore because 
 of the color, ideal for riding, when you're out for drinks?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 6:54:47 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:

 Best rain jacket I ever wore for rain was POC Rain jacket, nice and 
 bright orange for cars to see you. Highly breathable and light, but very 
 expensive. In the end, I sold it and bought a Patagonia Torrent Shell for 
 and a Columbia Watertight II. They work well enough, and don't scream 
 attention when I go out for drinks at the bar, etc.



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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Philip Kim
Essentially, yes. The other reasons were that I wanted a jacket that could 
fold into its own pocket, and the POC was more of a club/road riding 
jacket, and got cool very quickly. This was a problem in colder seasons, 
which is when I sold it. Now that it's summer, I wish I never sold it. 
Lesson learned.

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Avery Wilson
61 black and cream A. Homer Hilsen, compass Barlow Pass tires, black sks P50 
fenders, soma Portola bars (basically flared dirt drop bars). The bike's 
sporting a Sam Hillborne cantilever fork, and canti posts  added out back. 

47 Soma San Marcos. Super pretty, pearly ice blue with velo orange hammered 
fenders, drop bars. Standard build. 

17 salsa El mariachi 29er steel hardtail. Set up 1x10, shimano hydraulic 
brakes (love them). 

13 Gary Fisher big Sur hardtail. 

If you can't guess.. I'm about a foot taller than my wife. Wish we could share 
bikes though. Her San Marcos is one sweet ride. Almost the perfect nexus of 
comfy and fast. 

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Bob Ehrenbeck
 

A few are in the garage, but most are in an unused bedroom converted into a 
bike shop. In descending order of model year:

 

2011 Rawland rSogn *https://flic.kr/p/qibo3V* https://flic.kr/p/qibo3V

2005 Gary Fisher Nirvana (wife’s bike) *https://flic.kr/p/ftpLxo* 
https://flic.kr/p/ftpLxo

1992 Trek 7000 *https://flic.kr/p/rwzmLV* https://flic.kr/p/rwzmLV

1981 Raleigh Super Record *https://flic.kr/p/s1Dzap* 
https://flic.kr/p/s1Dzap

1973 Raleigh Sports *https://flic.kr/p/tK6NGL* 
https://flic.kr/p/tK6NGL

197? Raleigh DL1 Tourist *https://flic.kr/p/82EWuP* 
https://flic.kr/p/82EWuP

196? Columbia Twosome Tandem *https://flic.kr/p/89CGiw* 
https://flic.kr/p/89CGiw
 

Coming in October:
2015 Rivendell 52-cm Clem Smith Jr. frameset

Bob E

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
I work on the road so my garages are a hotel room in CT (until Labor Day then 
it's to Louisville, KY for a few months) and home in the KC area.

63cm A. Homer Nilsen- 99% of all my riding is done on it. It's headed to PBP 
with me in two weeks. Fantastic bike. In CT.

58cm Hunqapillar- In CT. I hate to admit it but I don't really like riding it. 
I've had it 3 years and doubt if I've put 300 miles on it. I want to swap out 
the Bullmoose for Albas before I decide not to keep it. It's in the hotel.

63cm Roadeo- love it! It's set up for fast riding. It's in KC

90s Specialized Rockhopper- great bike. It's a little too small but it's fun on 
singletrack. I don't like the chain stay mounted rear brake. In KC

'05 54cm (!) R3000- I got this BIHOR (before I'd heard of Riv) LBS sold me a 
wy too small frame. It sure was light though! It's just a frame now and 
will go on CL if I'm ever in KC long enough to sell it.

On Order- MAP custom 650B randonneur bike! Mitch says he can deliver in 
February or March of 2016. It will be wherever I am at the time.

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Leslie
My bikes:
60 Rambouillet, BRG green, triple, Noodle/barcon, converted to 650b, set up 
as a rando w/ an Edulux and an Acorn boxy on a Marks rack up front, and an 
Acorn medium/large in back. Lots of DuraAce bits on it.
59 canti-Romulus, usual pale blue, double, Noodle/downtube, running 700x40c 
Clement MSO's on it.  My 'naked' bike; gets the most mileage anymore, as 
it's ideal for mixed-surface paths that I frequent.
56 diaga-Bombadil, in Ram orange, triple, Moustache/barcon, 650b on 
force-field Fatty Rumpkins, Tubus Cosmo racks front and rear, Acorn large 
bag in back, Wald basket up front on a Platrack; have run NeoMotos on it 
before, and will again (if not something larger).  
(All three are running 9sp XT cassettes and 760-SGS derailleurs.)


Also have a early '90's Nishiki MTB, was my college bike.  

Wife has a Globe Carmel (subset of Specialized).
Younger daughter has a Trek 4300 women's MTB.
Older daughter has an older Specialized Rockhopper.
Son has a Motobecane Fantom CX cyclocross bike. 

I held onto a kids KHS, for the granddaughter once she's old enough.  
(I also bought a Burley Piccolo trail-a-bike for her from Peter M., but he 
never shipped it and has disappeared. (I've even tried tweeting to his wife 
to have him call or email me, but hasn't gotten a response yet.I'm 
still trying to be patient, but, I'm about to give up.)  

Would like a fatbike, but hasn't happened yet.   


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[RBW] WTB - bar-end shifters, 9 or 10 speed

2015-07-29 Thread Mark Reimer
Hello friends,

My wife wants to switch from drop bars to an albatross on her Surly Cross 
Check. That means I need to source some bar-end shifters. I'm happy with 9 
or 10 speed indexed. I'm looking for something in the $60ish range if 
possible. Anyone have something they'd be willing to part with? Shipping 
would be to Canada.

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Re: [RBW] Re: ...whereby a stone became caught up in his wheel

2015-07-29 Thread Daniel D.
Etiquette doesn't always make sense sometimes it's just the way it is :p. 
 My take is so the race is decided by who has the best legs rather than the 
wheel of misfortune.  At least it's not as bad as baseball with their 
stupid unwritten rules .
On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 11:28:28 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:


 Maybe I am ignorant about racing rules, but I am not understanding why  it 
 was unsportsmanlike to attack when Froome stopped. Noone else stops and 
 waits when other people crash or have to stop in the TdeF, so what made it 
 wrong? Losing due to a mechanical, crash, or otherwise happens in races. 
 Why was this different?

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Mark Reimer
Lots of nice bikes here!

58 Atlantis
58 Surly Steamroller
56 Giant TCX w/ tubs
56 Ti prototype SS CX
58 Gios Torino, early 80s with Campy Super Record
58 Cervelo R3 w/ Campy Athena
...86 BMW r80 and '74 cb750 - also for my 'other' two-wheeled riding. 


On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 8:55:46 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:

 We've played this game before, but it's always fun.

 68cm orange Riv Rambouillet with Albastaches and Jack Browns
 62cm black Soma Cross Check with Soma Clarence bars and Vittoria Voyager 
 Hypers/Smart Sams/Kenda winter studs
 68cm rattlecan black and gold Shogun 500 1x9spd 650b conversion with 
 Albatrosses, Hetres, fenders, dyno lights and a huge front basket.
 55cm blue Specialized Sequoia with Noodles and Paselas (GF's)
 56cm blue Trek 620 650b conversion with Ahearne/MAP bars, Soma B-Lines, 
 dyno lights, fenders and racks (GF's)

 Working out a custom in the near future (and an alleged Riv tandem!). I am 
 clearly working at a deficit here :-S

 KJ


 On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 8:25:31 PM UTC-4, murphyjrfk wrote:

 I always wonder-i betcha there are a lot of cool bikes around. And right 
 now I have a lot of bikes. I feel a bit self indulgent but I don't feel too 
 bad when I think of the use. I have a pretty bikey family, a bike job 
 and live in a great city to ride bikes in. I don't drive much either-like 
 under 2k miles a year so that makes me feel even less guilty. But i'll 
 start in order of importance.-well at least my order. 

 51 sage green Sam. Best bike ever. Get's used every day. 
 54 orange quickbeam. Super duper fun. 
 Cannondale Adventure 2 step through hybrid. Permanent baby seat gets used 
 a lot. 
 Electra Townie 7d. My wife's ride which is super fun. 
 1969 Schwinn Twinn-which my oldest daughter (8) thinks is the coolest 
 bike ever. Mostly because she doesn't have to pedal. And it has baskets for 
 all her dolls. 
 Jamis Capri 24 that's my oldest daughters ride. Fine little bike. First 
 one she got to pick out all by herself. I asked her why she likes it 
 best-she said it makes me feel like I'm a teenager-I'm in trouble. 
 Surly LHT which usually sees super nasty weather duty. I'm not sure if 
 I'll hang on to that one but it's a good bike so I probably will. 

 Needless to say we have never had a car in our garage. My wife stopped 
 complaining a while ago. So I guess it's ok. 

 I hope others play along. 



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[RBW] Re: Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-29 Thread Mark Reimer
I'm another Riv rider who loves racing. I'm actually a co-organizer of the 
Canadian Cyclocross National Championships for the past two years, and also 
race the odd road race and (gasp) even a crit or two. Racing can be a LOT 
of fun. Not racing is super fun too. Point being, riding bikes rules, 
period. 

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 8:17:29 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 There's a definite negative attitude on this list toward racers. Me, I 
 like watching racers in a well-coordinated paceline or climbing efficiently 
 or descending skillfully; never raced worth mentioning myself. Our local 
 roadies are friendly, and I think 40 year old racing bikes have much to 
 recommend them as road-biased all rounders.

 That said, I rode my (modestly racer-like, albeit fixed gear) gofast to 
 Fat Tire Bicycles this afternoon to pick up a new (black, clamp on, 1 1/8) 
 stem for the Fargo (new, longer reach bar) and a tandem rd cable (running 
 the housing along the bar to exit with brake housing near stem). The young 
 man at the register saw the '99 Joe and praised it and described the 
 Legolas he races local cross on. He installed a straight bar because his 
 background is downhill mtb racing, but he finds it much more comfortable 
 than his CF cross bike, and says that it doesn't slow him down (he loses 
 ground to roadies on the flats/straights, but gets ahead on twisties thanks 
 to his mtb handling skills.

 So, there. 

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Anton Tutter
Well, no garage at my house, but I have a basement stable. Here's what's in 
it, in order of age:

1971 Mercian Olympic
1972 Juenet 630 converted to 700C 3-speed IGH porteur
1982 Jack Taylor Tour of Britain
1984 Shogun 1500 converted to 650B porteur
2013 Rawland Stag
2014 Jeff Lyon L'Avecaise
2015 Bike Friday Haul-a-Day cargo bike

I've actually reduced my N factor by two recently. Long-term aim is to 
have a stable of no more than 1/2 dozen keepers. I need to get rid of one 
more to get there. Which should it be?  Ideally I'd like to replace my 
Jeunet and Shogun porteur conversions with one real purpose-built, custom 
porteur.  That would get me to six total.

Anton



On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 8:25:31 PM UTC-4, murphyjrfk wrote:

 I always wonder-i betcha there are a lot of cool bikes around. And right 
 now I have a lot of bikes. I feel a bit self indulgent but I don't feel too 
 bad when I think of the use. I have a pretty bikey family, a bike job 
 and live in a great city to ride bikes in. I don't drive much either-like 
 under 2k miles a year so that makes me feel even less guilty. But i'll 
 start in order of importance.-well at least my order. 

 51 sage green Sam. Best bike ever. Get's used every day. 
 54 orange quickbeam. Super duper fun. 
 Cannondale Adventure 2 step through hybrid. Permanent baby seat gets used 
 a lot. 
 Electra Townie 7d. My wife's ride which is super fun. 
 1969 Schwinn Twinn-which my oldest daughter (8) thinks is the coolest bike 
 ever. Mostly because she doesn't have to pedal. And it has baskets for all 
 her dolls. 
 Jamis Capri 24 that's my oldest daughters ride. Fine little bike. First 
 one she got to pick out all by herself. I asked her why she likes it 
 best-she said it makes me feel like I'm a teenager-I'm in trouble. 
 Surly LHT which usually sees super nasty weather duty. I'm not sure if 
 I'll hang on to that one but it's a good bike so I probably will. 

 Needless to say we have never had a car in our garage. My wife stopped 
 complaining a while ago. So I guess it's ok. 

 I hope others play along. 

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Re: [RBW] WTB - bar-end shifters, 9 or 10 speed

2015-07-29 Thread Tim Gavin
Nashbar has brand new 10 speed Shimano bar-ends on sale for $55 USD.  They
ship to Canada, but I don't know the cost.

I picked up two sets a couple weeks ago (they were $50 then).

Personally, I'll use the right Shimano shifter for 10 speed
indexed/friction, and a Silver bar end for the left.

The Silver has a shorter lever throw for the same cable pull, so prefer
them for shifting a triple crank.  I don't like how I have to move the
Shimano front shifter a full 90 degrees (which seems like it's past 90, due
to the dog leg shape of Shimano bar end levers) to get to the big ring.
With the Silver shifter, it's more like 60 degrees total.

Tim

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Mark Reimer marknrei...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello friends,

 My wife wants to switch from drop bars to an albatross on her Surly Cross
 Check. That means I need to source some bar-end shifters. I'm happy with 9
 or 10 speed indexed. I'm looking for something in the $60ish range if
 possible. Anyone have something they'd be willing to part with? Shipping
 would be to Canada.

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Re: [RBW] WTB - bar-end shifters, 9 or 10 speed

2015-07-29 Thread Tim Gavin
Sorry, I forgot the link for the Nashbar shifters
http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchDisplay?searchTerm=10+speed+bar+end+shiftercatalogId=10052cn1=langId=-1gast=10+speed+bar+end+shifterstoreId=10053URL=CatalogSearchResultViewddkey=http:SearchComponentAutoSuggestView

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Tim Gavin tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com
wrote:

 Nashbar has brand new 10 speed Shimano bar-ends on sale for $55 USD.  They
 ship to Canada, but I don't know the cost.

 I picked up two sets a couple weeks ago (they were $50 then).

 Personally, I'll use the right Shimano shifter for 10 speed
 indexed/friction, and a Silver bar end for the left.

 The Silver has a shorter lever throw for the same cable pull, so prefer
 them for shifting a triple crank.  I don't like how I have to move the
 Shimano front shifter a full 90 degrees (which seems like it's past 90, due
 to the dog leg shape of Shimano bar end levers) to get to the big ring.
 With the Silver shifter, it's more like 60 degrees total.

 Tim

 On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Mark Reimer marknrei...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello friends,

 My wife wants to switch from drop bars to an albatross on her Surly Cross
 Check. That means I need to source some bar-end shifters. I'm happy with 9
 or 10 speed indexed. I'm looking for something in the $60ish range if
 possible. Anyone have something they'd be willing to part with? Shipping
 would be to Canada.

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Re: [RBW] WTB - bar-end shifters, 9 or 10 speed

2015-07-29 Thread Mark Reimer
Oh wow, really? Thanks for the tip!

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Tim Gavin tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com
wrote:

 Nashbar has brand new 10 speed Shimano bar-ends on sale for $55 USD.  They
 ship to Canada, but I don't know the cost.

 I picked up two sets a couple weeks ago (they were $50 then).

 Personally, I'll use the right Shimano shifter for 10 speed
 indexed/friction, and a Silver bar end for the left.

 The Silver has a shorter lever throw for the same cable pull, so prefer
 them for shifting a triple crank.  I don't like how I have to move the
 Shimano front shifter a full 90 degrees (which seems like it's past 90, due
 to the dog leg shape of Shimano bar end levers) to get to the big ring.
 With the Silver shifter, it's more like 60 degrees total.

 Tim

 On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Mark Reimer marknrei...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello friends,

 My wife wants to switch from drop bars to an albatross on her Surly Cross
 Check. That means I need to source some bar-end shifters. I'm happy with 9
 or 10 speed indexed. I'm looking for something in the $60ish range if
 possible. Anyone have something they'd be willing to part with? Shipping
 would be to Canada.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders in Summer

2015-07-29 Thread Jan Heine
Formula 1 cars don't have fenders because the rules don't allow them. 
Sports cars (like the ones that race at Le Mans) have fenders and are way 
faster, because they are more aerodynamic...

Shielding the wheels from the airstream actually makes you faster, which is 
why racing motorbikes have fenders. (Neither kickstands nor lights, though!)



Seriously, Bicycle Quarterly tested fenders in the wind tunnel and found 
that the forward extension makes the bike more aerodynamic, the rearward 
one less, and the overall effect is zero.

Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly
www.bikequarterly.com

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On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 2:54:33 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 No fenders on this baby.

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 javascript: wrote:

 https://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/31/taking-off-fenders/

 How many cyclists run fenders year-round on their cars? It still amazes 
 me that nobody thinks a Porsche or a Ferrari is less sporty for having 
 fenders and lights, but on a bike, it's still uncool in certain circles. ;-)

 Jan Heine
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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Kieran J
We've played this game before, but it's always fun.

68cm orange Riv Rambouillet with Albastaches and Jack Browns
62cm black Soma Cross Check with Soma Clarence bars and Vittoria Voyager 
Hypers/Smart Sams/Kenda winter studs
68cm rattlecan black and gold Shogun 500 1x9spd 650b conversion with 
Albatrosses, Hetres, fenders, dyno lights and a huge front basket.
55cm blue Specialized Sequoia with Noodles and Paselas (GF's)
56cm blue Trek 620 650b conversion with Ahearne/MAP bars, Soma B-Lines, 
dyno lights, fenders and racks (GF's)

Working out a custom in the near future (and an alleged Riv tandem!). I am 
clearly working at a deficit here :-S

KJ


On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 8:25:31 PM UTC-4, murphyjrfk wrote:

 I always wonder-i betcha there are a lot of cool bikes around. And right 
 now I have a lot of bikes. I feel a bit self indulgent but I don't feel too 
 bad when I think of the use. I have a pretty bikey family, a bike job 
 and live in a great city to ride bikes in. I don't drive much either-like 
 under 2k miles a year so that makes me feel even less guilty. But i'll 
 start in order of importance.-well at least my order. 

 51 sage green Sam. Best bike ever. Get's used every day. 
 54 orange quickbeam. Super duper fun. 
 Cannondale Adventure 2 step through hybrid. Permanent baby seat gets used 
 a lot. 
 Electra Townie 7d. My wife's ride which is super fun. 
 1969 Schwinn Twinn-which my oldest daughter (8) thinks is the coolest bike 
 ever. Mostly because she doesn't have to pedal. And it has baskets for all 
 her dolls. 
 Jamis Capri 24 that's my oldest daughters ride. Fine little bike. First 
 one she got to pick out all by herself. I asked her why she likes it 
 best-she said it makes me feel like I'm a teenager-I'm in trouble. 
 Surly LHT which usually sees super nasty weather duty. I'm not sure if 
 I'll hang on to that one but it's a good bike so I probably will. 

 Needless to say we have never had a car in our garage. My wife stopped 
 complaining a while ago. So I guess it's ok. 

 I hope others play along. 

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Deacon Patrick
I'm confused. You sold the best cycling rain jacket you ever wore because 
of the color, ideal for riding, when you're out for drinks?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 6:54:47 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:

 Best rain jacket I ever wore for rain was POC Rain jacket, nice and bright 
 orange for cars to see you. Highly breathable and light, but very 
 expensive. In the end, I sold it and bought a Patagonia Torrent Shell for 
 and a Columbia Watertight II. They work well enough, and don't scream 
 attention when I go out for drinks at the bar, etc.


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Re: [RBW] What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Conway Bennett
56 2tt Samuel Hillborne.  Storm gray sans cream head tube, noodles on dirt 
drops and rock  roads (my favorite)

60 Quickbeam.  Orange sans decals, albatross build (think it might be my 
favorite then I ride my Sam again)

54 Surly Cross Check. (Never really fit so finally selling it as a result of 
acquiring a '91 Yo Eddy)

53 Salsa Caseroll.  Built very similar to my Sam but with Soma C Lines.  
(Actually my partners)

Giant Halfway foldy bike.

Cinzia foldy bike.

And...about to take possession of a '91 Yo Eddy.  I'm definitely gonna use the 
Rat Trap Pass tires and then migrate parts from the Cross Check so it'll be a 
weird mix of Surly, Soma, VO  Sram at first.

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[RBW] Re: What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Kelly
64 Bombadil
67 AHH
61 Betty Foy
61 Atlantis
61 Roedeo
Giant Cypress
LeMond
Schwinn Unicycle 24



On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 7:25:31 PM UTC-5, murphyjrfk wrote:

 I always wonder-i betcha there are a lot of cool bikes around. And right 
 now I have a lot of bikes. I feel a bit self indulgent but I don't feel too 
 bad when I think of the use. I have a pretty bikey family, a bike job 
 and live in a great city to ride bikes in. I don't drive much either-like 
 under 2k miles a year so that makes me feel even less guilty. But i'll 
 start in order of importance.-well at least my order. 

 51 sage green Sam. Best bike ever. Get's used every day. 
 54 orange quickbeam. Super duper fun. 
 Cannondale Adventure 2 step through hybrid. Permanent baby seat gets used 
 a lot. 
 Electra Townie 7d. My wife's ride which is super fun. 
 1969 Schwinn Twinn-which my oldest daughter (8) thinks is the coolest bike 
 ever. Mostly because she doesn't have to pedal. And it has baskets for all 
 her dolls. 
 Jamis Capri 24 that's my oldest daughters ride. Fine little bike. First 
 one she got to pick out all by herself. I asked her why she likes it 
 best-she said it makes me feel like I'm a teenager-I'm in trouble. 
 Surly LHT which usually sees super nasty weather duty. I'm not sure if 
 I'll hang on to that one but it's a good bike so I probably will. 

 Needless to say we have never had a car in our garage. My wife stopped 
 complaining a while ago. So I guess it's ok. 

 I hope others play along. 

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

2015-07-29 Thread Philip Kim
Best rain jacket I ever wore for rain was POC Rain jacket, nice and bright 
orange for cars to see you. Highly breathable and light, but very 
expensive. In the end, I sold it and bought a Patagonia Torrent Shell for 
and a Columbia Watertight II. They work well enough, and don't scream 
attention when I go out for drinks at the bar, etc.

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 at 11:43:00 AM UTC-4, A CT Cyclist wrote:

 Hi, what does everyone wear when commuting in the rain? I'm looking for 
 something that I can wear with normal clothing. Something light that I 
 can layer under and not sweat profusely, ha ha. 


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Re: [RBW] What's in your garage?

2015-07-29 Thread Tim Gavin
'97 Riv Road
http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Gavin/media/Rivendell/IMG_00421_zps6vuvmevf.jpg.html,
650B-converted, light tourer
'88 Schwinn KOM-10
http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Gavin/media/KOM/IMG_00601_zpsddqpqsoj.jpg.html,
drop bar 26er adventure/gravel/anything bike
'96 Giordana XL-Eco
http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Gavin/media/Facebook/Giordana%20XLEco%201996/1017399_10151414625290755_902922549_n_zpsmwl30kdd.jpg.html,
lugged lightweight stage racer, for sale soon because I never ride skinnies
anymore
'05 Cannondale F400, headshock 26er mtb, for sale soon because it's been
replaced by
'15 Specialized Fatboy
http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Gavin/media/Facebook/Fat%20boy/10003672_10152369978615755_5345475118139114053_o_zpsqwyaelsr.jpg.html,
monster fat bike for singletrack and winter riding
'13 Foundry Auger disc
http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Gavin/media/Foundry%20Auger%20disc/IMG_02211_zpsikotb6bg.jpg.html,
plastic cyclocross/gravel bike (and quite wonderful, if stiff)

My stall in the garage is filled with these bikes, a couple of my
girlfriend's bikes, and a motorcycle (Triumph Sprint 955) I never work on
because I'm always working on bikes.  I have a work stand in the basement,
and that's where I keep my parts and projects.

Tim

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 7:28 AM, Steven Sweedler sweed...@gmail.com wrote:

 96 Riv Road,
 2000 All Rounder
 Surly Ogre
 Thorn Nomad
 Stumpjumper, customized with low trail fork
 Landshark tourer
 steve
 Plymouth, New Hampshire

 On Tuesday, July 28, 2015, murphyjrfk murphyj...@gmail.com wrote:

 I always wonder-i betcha there are a lot of cool bikes around. And right
 now I have a lot of bikes. I feel a bit self indulgent but I don't feel too
 bad when I think of the use. I have a pretty bikey family, a bike job
 and live in a great city to ride bikes in. I don't drive much either-like
 under 2k miles a year so that makes me feel even less guilty. But i'll
 start in order of importance.-well at least my order.

 51 sage green Sam. Best bike ever. Get's used every day.
 54 orange quickbeam. Super duper fun.
 Cannondale Adventure 2 step through hybrid. Permanent baby seat gets used
 a lot.
 Electra Townie 7d. My wife's ride which is super fun.
 1969 Schwinn Twinn-which my oldest daughter (8) thinks is the coolest
 bike ever. Mostly because she doesn't have to pedal. And it has baskets for
 all her dolls.
 Jamis Capri 24 that's my oldest daughters ride. Fine little bike. First
 one she got to pick out all by herself. I asked her why she likes it
 best-she said it makes me feel like I'm a teenager-I'm in trouble.
 Surly LHT which usually sees super nasty weather duty. I'm not sure if
 I'll hang on to that one but it's a good bike so I probably will.

 Needless to say we have never had a car in our garage. My wife stopped
 complaining a while ago. So I guess it's ok.

 I hope others play along.

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