date:20200228

Or course now I still want a Fitz. After that whole story about not being into 
taking all the measurements and lots of talking on the phone (or in person, 
it's 30 miles from me) and blah blah blah. It's only money, right? 

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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

2020-02-28 Thread Drw

Since fitz was mentioned, I’ll throw in a very high recommendationdatuon.

I think riv could’ve basically just offered this as a custom that someone 
didn’t want. They told us a bunch of info that we actually didn’t need, and now 
we are judging it. Paint blemish, yes, but bottle mounts and weird 
dropouts...nobody would’ve known. The mistake is telling us all the mistakes 
and then pricing it like they didn’t tell us the mistakes 

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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

I don't think it's necessary to chew people out for reacting to chipped paint. 
It's a lot of money and I personally would have had a hard time paying it in 
that condition because it's in such a noticeable spot. Which doesn't matter 
because some folks aren't as OCD as as I am and one of those people bought it, 
but really, do we have to throw this attitude? 

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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

2020-02-28 Thread The Snag

OMG THEY CHIPPED THE PAINT!!! How could they do that?? To a bike that costs 
that much?! Talk about fiscal irresponsibility. But let's not talk about 
the fact that a frame builder got paid to make a frame, and a painter to 
paint it, and the buyer is getting the bike that they wanted, and someone 
scored a deal on a SWEET bike. Nope, let's use this benign situation to 
speculate on the *real* reasons a small bike company struggles to make it 
these days. 

Haakon
Sarcasm, OR

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[RBW] Re: FS: Frank Jones Sr. (51.5cm) (PBH 77.5-80.2)

2020-02-28 Thread Philip Williamson

Planers take note!  
Ken has a good reminder to those who may have missed that nuance: the Frank 
Jones is the only production Riv to use the lugs and standard gauge tubing 
otherwise reserved for the full customs. As far as I know. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Frank Jones Sr. (51.5cm) (PBH 77.5-80.2)

2020-02-28 Thread Ken Yokanovich

I cannot believe that nobody had snapped this up! My Frank Jones is one of my 
favorite bikes, the one most likely to have been grabbed for any kind of ride 
last year. The Grilver with cream, custom headlugs, standard diameter tubing... 
oh my. Beautiful and sublime ride. 

Good luck with your sale.  I’m looking forward to ice free roads so that I can 
get out on mine again. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoFnk-ODROj/?igshid=dpau5l2ea1p6

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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

2020-02-28 Thread Conway Bennett

@Dave Small I do not know for sure but I feel like I read it somewhere. 

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[RBW] Re: Act of Thoughtfulness

2020-02-28 Thread John Philip



On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 5:17:57 PM UTC-5, truegolden wrote:
>
>
> About once I month I cycle about 10 miles each way up north of me to help 
> an elderly friend.
>
> On a particularly busy stretch of road
> with a 40mph speed limit 
> (but most do at least 50)
> the few cyclists that pass that way get upon the sidewalk for about a 
> quarter of a mile to avoid risking life and limb.
>
> One fairly large upheaval in the sidewalk is frustrating and it helps to 
> cross it slowly to avoid a jolt or possibly damage to the front wheel.
>
> It must have been a fellow cyclist that kindly came up with this solution 
> shown in the pic.
>
> That person's thoughtfulness impressed me and I wanted to share it.
>
> I crossed that way today and snapped the  pic.
>
> A couple months back I left a note saying thanks.
>
> I hope the mini ramp builder saw the note.
>
> Paul in Dallas
>

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[RBW] Re: Act of Thoughtfulness

2020-02-28 Thread John Philip



On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 5:17:57 PM UTC-5, truegolden wrote:
>
>
> About once I month I cycle about 10 miles each way up north of me to help 
> an elderly friend.
>
> On a particularly busy stretch of road
> with a 40mph speed limit 
> (but most do at least 50)
> the few cyclists that pass that way get upon the sidewalk for about a 
> quarter of a mile to avoid risking life and limb.
>
> One fairly large upheaval in the sidewalk is frustrating and it helps to 
> cross it slowly to avoid a jolt or possibly damage to the front wheel.
>
> It must have been a fellow cyclist that kindly came up with this solution 
> shown in the pic.
>
> That person's thoughtfulness impressed me and I wanted to share it.
>
> I crossed that way today and snapped the  pic.
>
> A couple months back I left a note saying thanks.
>
> I hope the mini ramp builder saw the note.
>
> Paul in Dallas
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTT - Riv Cheviot WoolyWarm sweater, XXL for XL

2020-02-28 Thread Jay Lonner

The sweater is sold.

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 9:07 AM Jay Lonner  wrote:

> No takers on a sweater swap, so I'm offering this XXL Cheviot sweater to
> the list before I box it up and return it to Riv to await the next batch.
> $120 shipped.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:11:44 PM UTC-8, Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>> As above - I have one of the new Riv sweaters in size XXL that I would
>> like to trade for an XL. I'm 6'3", 210#, long arms and torso, and the XXL
>> is little generous on me - workable, but not ideal. Maybe you have an XL
>> that's a bit snug? Riv HQ is sold out across the board.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

2020-02-28 Thread Steve Cole

Dave, 

This may not provide a definitive answer to your question regarding filet 
brazed BB vs TIG welded, but here's the RBW website's description of MIT 
Atlantis construction:

"Underneath, the investment-cast Rivendell lugs and custom drawn Silver 
tubes are the same. All frames are brazed and welded to the highest 
standards, with samples of each new production passing the rigorous EN 
tests."

Others with more direct knowledge may add to this.

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 4:00:12 PM UTC-7, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Hi Conway,
>
> I thought the MIT Atlantis had a TIG'd bottom bracket.  Are you sure it's 
> filet-brazed?  If yes, was the first batch TIG'd and the new batch 
> filet-brazed?  I was told by an owner of one from the first batch that it 
> was TIG'd, which is the main reason I didn't buy one.  
>
> Dave
> Boston/Indy
>
> On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:11:41 PM UTC-5, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>
>> The new Atlantis and Crust Nor'easter both are lugged with a filet brazed 
>> bottom bracket.  I assume it reduces the cost but is it functionally 
>> better, worse, or the same as a lugged bb shell? 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

2020-02-28 Thread 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch

Hi Conway,

I thought the MIT Atlantis had a TIG'd bottom bracket.  Are you sure it's 
filet-brazed?  If yes, was the first batch TIG'd and the new batch 
filet-brazed?  I was told by an owner of one from the first batch that it 
was TIG'd, which is the main reason I didn't buy one.  

Dave
Boston/Indy

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:11:41 PM UTC-5, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> The new Atlantis and Crust Nor'easter both are lugged with a filet brazed 
> bottom bracket.  I assume it reduces the cost but is it functionally 
> better, worse, or the same as a lugged bb shell? 

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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

2020-02-28 Thread 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch

Those are all good reasons to go with a Riv custom, Joe.  Your last 
sentence says it all:  "I want it, I want that Riv ride and I have the 
money."  I don't doubt you'll get a great bike for that money!

Dave
Boston/Indy

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:18:25 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> "I do see one advantage of ordering from Riv, and that's Grant's input and 
> oversight.  That makes it more likely to ride like a Riv---there's some 
> insurance there---but it's expensive insurance.  Obviously not everyone 
> will agree with me, 'cause they do sell some customs."
>
> I'm a very specific custom customer and will explain why it works for me 
> (mine is at Joe Bell's awaiting paint). 
>
> I'm aware that I could have gone with someone local - like say, Fitz - for 
> a little less money (and I love his work). But I'm not like a lot of you 
> who want a full immersion buying experience with lots of measuring and 
> talking, that's stressful for me. Grant knows me, what I'm built like and 
> the kind of riding I do. I need an uber-upright frame now to accommodate my 
> arthritis so I pointed at another custom they had done, explained the 
> situation and gave them my PBH and general riding/parts style, and said 
> "Make me one that looks kinda like that, have Joe Bell make it pretty, I'll 
> pay you."  
>
> Another factor is I've been following the Grant/Riv thing since before 
> there was a Riv, and this is my one shot before I get too old/disabled to 
> get the full zoot deal with "Rivendell" on the downtube. I want it, I want 
> that Riv ride and I have the money. It's happening!
>
> Joe Bernard
> Marin County CA. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

2020-02-28 Thread John A. Bennett

Rivendell is honest about everything that they do, even when they flub up. 

That leaves them open to criticism, but it beats the alternative by a mile. 

Other companies screw up, too, but they're more likely to keep mum about 
it, or spin it to cover a mistake: 
"We just scored a batch of NOS widgets. Get 'em while they last!"

That's not to say that Rivendell is the only honest company out there, just 
the one that I have the most first-hand experience with. 

In the 12 years I worked at Rivendell, I never heard anyone lie to a 
customer, was never encouraged to fib to save face, or to preserve the 
company "rep."

Quite the contrary. 

Sure, customers got steamed if we goofed, but they --and we-- slept better 
knowing that we were above-board and honest. 

As Grant wrote more than once, and I paraphrase, "This is not a secret 
company; ask us anything and we will tell you."

Sounds good to me!

John in Portland, Ore. 

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 8:15:43 AM UTC-8, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I know this is contrarian to group sentiment, but yes, how do you botch a 
> custom?  And it goes part and parcel with them periodically finding NOS 
> bikes and parts in storage.  I currently own three Rivs, have sold two, 
> bought even more than the sum of the frames in parts from them, and have 
> contributed to financial bailouts.  Seeing this is disappointing as a 
> someone who wants them to succeed but discourages me from financial support 
> beyond buying what I need or want.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

2020-02-28 Thread Bill Lindsay

I will disagree slightly with Steve, but only slightly.  Imagine Builder X 
had access to a lugged BB shell that was perfect for all the tubes coming 
in.  All the angles and clearances were perfect.  With that hypothetical BB 
shell on hand, then functionally, fillet brazing and lugged would be 
functionally equivalent.  Both strong, both reasonable weight.  Totally 
equivalent and absolutely impossible to tell the difference in use.  

If that hypothetical BB shell was already on hand, then the lugged assembly 
work would be cheaper.  Maybe not a whole lot cheaper, but not more 
expensive.  

If that hypothetical BB shell was NOT on hand and you had to go cast a new 
one, custom, then that's prohibitive.  Say $5000-$1 and a few months to 
get something set up to cast a new BB shell.  Once you've done the prep 
work, then manufacturing hundreds or thousands of them is not that 
expensive, but that first one is really expensive.  Nobody makes a true 
custom cast lug.  No frame builder casts custom lugs for their custom 
frames.  Will they someday, with metal 3D printing?  Perhaps, but not 
today.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:27:28 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Usually they're used because the "lugged" ones don't allow you to angle 
> the chain stays enough to provide the clearance to make room for really 
> wide tires.  I'd call that "functionally better".
>
>
> On 2/28/20 1:11 PM, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> The new Atlantis and Crust Nor'easter both are lugged with a filet brazed 
> bottom bracket.  I assume it reduces the cost but is it functionally better, 
> worse, or the same as a lugged bb shell? 
>
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Knicker Quest

2020-02-28 Thread 'Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch

Patagonia makes climbing knickers:  
https://www.patagonia.com/product/mens-venga-rock-climbing-knickers/83092.html?dwvar_83092_color=SMDB=mens-pants-jeans-climbing
>
>

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Re: [RBW] What is wireless dyno about?

2020-02-28 Thread ascpgh

I'm about to have both.

My commuter with the old spade clips and wire going down the fork leg: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/KvEhGNafH7NENUbJA
The unconnected length of slack is carefully calculated for me to be able 
to carefully pull the wires' clips off the hub's spades in mittens (don't 
ask). Otherwise the wire pair runs up the outside of the fork leg and 
excess is bundled near the headlight. Tres cosmetique.

The new thing in the works will have the SL treatment Vaughn's "wrong" 
custom has which is the frame and fork are the ground or (-) pole for the 
generator hub and a single wire carries the (+) pole of the DC current. For 
cleanliness (see my commuter for the opposite) the SL system uses an 
insulated contact on one fork dropout for the (+) pole from the generator 
hub that has a wire connected to it which runs immediately into the fork 
leg tube and is out of the weather, slop and camera view. A sample: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/57641994@N06/9686197451

Aside from the visual and physical cleanliness from wires strung all up and 
around the bike, it lets you drop the front wheel just like any other 
instead of having to disconnect those two small spade connectors (or one of 
the cool single prong connectors).  

Catherine and my new thing (you can zoom in on the right fork tip and see 
better): https://photos.app.goo.gl/fE9RhuZwJNTJuiCZ7
All the wires are up at the top ot the fork awaiting final trimming, 
connecting and tucking away. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:24:34 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> And you will all forgive that errant comma where I thought I typed a 
> period. I’m still recovering from last night’s 12 hour shift.  
>
> Sent from my iPad 
>
> > On Feb 28, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com > wrote: 
> > 
>

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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

2020-02-28 Thread 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch

"Making" a lug that is not cast from a mold involves a lot of work and 
secondary pieces cut and mitered then welded together, probably more work 
than fillet brazing.
The Gus and Susie MiT Hillibikes use mostly fillet brazed major tubes 
except for the fork crown.

David Lipsky
Berkeley

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 9:29:31 AM UTC-8, John Phillips wrote:
>
>I was puzzled by the filet-brazed bottom bracket area. If one orders a 
> custom, I assumed Riv would make 3 custom lugs for the custom order.
> What does Riv normally do for custom bike orders?
> Does Riv offer custom bikes entirely filet-brazed? Would it cost less or 
> more?
>

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[RBW] Re: Act of Thoughtfulness

2020-02-28 Thread RonaTD


On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 2:07:18 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Trail fall of trees is always an issue over the miles of back trails. 
> Years ago, I "upgraded" to a Japanese hand saw (cuts on the back cut, not 
> the push cut, allowing for a harder steel that stays sharp a lng time). 
> Silky.
>
>
+1 on Silky pruning saws. I recently bought 3 (1 small folding, 1 medium, 1 
on a telescoping pole ... I have a lot of pruning to do in my yard and I'm 
retired now, so...). They are shockingly effective. Anything less than ~6" 
no longer has me hauling out the chainsaw.

General comment on tools ... invest in good ones or you'll be buying lots 
of bad ones. Silky saws have been absolutely worth the $.

RBW content - I love the idea of throwing the folding one in my Carradice 
for random, spontaneous trail maintenance. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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[RBW] Re: Knicker Quest

2020-02-28 Thread Grady Wright

I have a couple pairs of Mountain Hardware 3/4 pants. They are a nice 
cotton twill and durable as they are marketed as climbing pants. I bought 
them a little too small so I never did wear them. One of these days I'll 
loose that last few pounds so I never returned them. 
>
> After checking it doesn't seem like they make the cotton ones anymore. but 
they do have this one available. in a good range of sizes. 

 
https://www.mountainhardwear.com/mens-logan-canyon-3-4-pant%C2%A0-1854971.html?cgid=mens-pantsShorts-hiking_1854971_variationColor=004#start=11

I will say everything I have bought from Mountain Hardware has been 
excellent quality so I feel good about sharing the updated style

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Re: [RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

When I ordered my first custom in late 1994, I told Grant that I wanted a
road bike somewhat like my 1992 XO-1, 'but better." He said, "Oh, it'll be
better." That Waterford-built 26" wheel road bike was indeed better, but
the 1999 and the almost identical 2003 were far better yet. No measurements
that I recall, just a few half-hour conversations, and the 1999 and 2003
have been my benchmarks for fit and feel ever since.

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 11:18 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> ...
> I'm aware that I could have gone with someone local - like say, Fitz - for
> a little less money (and I love his work). But I'm not like a lot of you
> who want a full immersion buying experience with lots of measuring and
> talking, that's stressful for me. Grant knows me, what I'm built like and
> the kind of riding I do. I need an uber-upright frame now to accommodate my
> arthritis so I pointed at another custom they had done, explained the
> situation and gave them my PBH and general riding/parts style, and said
> "Make me one that looks kinda like that, have Joe Bell make it pretty, I'll
> pay you."

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Re: [RBW] What is wireless dyno about?

Good point; which I'll carefully consider when talking to the builder.

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 1:21 PM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On the other hand, a non-SL generator hub would work just fine in a fork
> equipped with SL dropouts.  You'd just need to run the wires as if the
> SL stuff wasn't there.   So if you had an old SON hub that you thought
> you would be replacing at some point in the relatively near future and
> you wanted to have the new frame SL-ready, you could go ahead and have
> the fork built with the SL stuff and just not use it right away.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Knicker Quest

John: I've converted many pairs of good-wool dress pants into knickers by
simply having them cut and hemmed at the right length (I like "plus 8") and
then having velcro sewn on the ends to cinch them under the knee and over
the long sock.

My best pair was a pair of wonderful, medium-thick but very supple pair of
tan wool gabardines that would not wear at the rub points, never wrinkled,
were warm in the cold and cool in the warmth, and didn't collect saddle
stains despite their relatively light color. I foolishly sold them.

But currently, I've been taxing the nearby tailor's patience with a very
elegant but old (straight legs, small pleats -- but men's fashion
scuttlebutt says pleats are coming back!) -- pair of medium grey light (and
very fine) flannel I Magnin dress slacks that I had cut, hemmed, lined from
waist to knee in front (the slacks were lined from waist to knee, but with
very thin fabric; I had this replaced with thicker) for cold as well as for
wear, and a heavier lining placed outside in the crotch area -- I used
photos of equestrian riding pants as a model.

All this does several things: It gives you wind protection where needed; it
protects wear surfaces, inside and out, where needed; and -- this is very
important to me -- it gives you the comfort of a full-cut dress pants for
riding, with a waist that rises high enough that you don't feel anxious
about insufficiencies between the bottom end of your jersey or vest or
jacket and the top end of your pants -- a defect with the many
cycling-specific knickers I've tried (not Rick Risemberg's, but he's no
longer on the market).

My tailor isn't cheap, but he's good. He encourages me to look at Goodwill
for good pants, and he'll convert them for $100-$150; perhaps, now, a bit
cheaper, since he's used me as a guinea pig to learn what has to be done.

I've also had him tailor a pair of old, charcoal, mid-weight flannel Brooks
Bros pants with the same inside and outside linings, plus pegging the legs,
adding ankle zippers and an inside-right-leg-bottom chain-protection patch
in the same material as for the crotch lining.

Now I am saving up for a pair of Dromartis in black for the ultimate in
insouciant dressy cycling cool.

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 8:20 AM JClay  wrote:

> I'm interested in more info wrt Jitensha and Rene-Herse knickers
> (particularly from Eileen!). Not interested in the Zoic or ordering from UK
> suppliers but I won't rule out other makers.
>
>
> Are the Jitensha and RH knickers durable, particularly in high wear areas
> like the seat? Any design shortcomings or notable/useful details? Thick
> seam in the crotch and up to the center of the spine (like denim jeans)?
> Any user annoyances or particularly good details?
>
>
> Jitensha are a wool blend: Durable? Tight weave? Wind resistant,
> thin/thick fabric, suitable for warm and/or cold? Knee (or entire assembly)
> lined in nylon (so it won't chafe)? Any other notable details? The Jitensha
> website is thin on photos.
>
>
> The aft facing RH vent seems a clever touch for breathability; is the
> fabric itself wind resistant? I've heard that the fabric is fairly thin
> which makes me wonder about durability and wind permeability.
>
>
> For background: I've been using a pair of surplus Italian Army, gabardine
> wool knickers in cold weather for nearly 10 years and I'm pretty happy with
> them. The fabric itself has wonderful attributes for outdoor use...which is
> probably why they used it!
>
>
> I like that the gabardine wool, fabric weight and very tight, fine weave
> make them remarkably wind resistant but breathable enough to be useful over
> a wide temperature range, like freezing to 60F without anything but riding
> shorts and heavy knee socks.
>
>
> The knees don't have nylon lining and when wet they rub my kneecaps raw
> enough to cause a scab to develop; it's not a problem when dry but it's a
> big problem when wet; 20 miles will do it so not really suitable for long
> rides in wet weather. Aside from that the fabric ticks all the
> functionality boxes.
>
>
> The double seat is starting to wear in one area where, while riding, it
> folds over on itself and that crease is wearing out. It's not a fabric
> deficiency but the fold causes a wear problem right at the crease after a
> lot of use.
>
>
> Five minutes with each of these in my hands would make this so easy.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Clay
>
> Tallahassee, FL
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 1:09:00 PM UTC-5, Madam Xylene wrote:
>>
>> Try Jitensha Studio in Berkeley. I love the wool knickers I got from them
>> as well as the wood argyle socks. They are very warm. I also have three
>> pairs of Compass Bicycle knickers.  They are much sturdier than they look
>> and work well in warmer weather.
>> Jitensha.com
>> Below is cut and paste from their website.
>> Eileen
>>
>> Hiroshi had these made to his design by a Tokyo family business
>> specializing in traditional climber's knickers. They are beautifully
>> finished

Re: [RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

Usually they're used because the "lugged" ones don't allow you to angle 
the chain stays enough to provide the clearance to make room for really 
wide tires.  I'd call that "functionally better".



On 2/28/20 1:11 PM, Conway Bennett wrote:

The new Atlantis and Crust Nor'easter both are lugged with a filet brazed 
bottom bracket.  I assume it reduces the cost but is it functionally better, 
worse, or the same as a lugged bb shell?


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Re: [RBW] Re: What is wireless dyno about?

On 2/28/20 2:28 PM, George Schick wrote:
Interesting. Never heard tell of such a thing. Seems like you'd need
to be meticulous about keeping both the surface of the dropout and
that matching "plate" that has the cable connected to it very clean
from dirt and grease, though. Or else risk intermittent, flakey lighting.

Do you find much in the way of dirt and grease on the inside of your
fork ends? I've never seen any, even if the bike has dirt all over it.

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 11:27:39 AM UTC-6, phil k wrote:

Leah,

They are dropouts with contacts brazed on. The brazed on contact
is run inside the fork leg. This eliminates any wires having to be
connected directly to the hub.

I have it on my Grand Bois custom, I'll try to take a picture when
I get home so you can see how it works.

Capture1.PNG

Capture.PNG

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:21:10 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle
Ding Ding! wrote:

In yesterday’s newsletter from Rivendell there was a botched
custom for sale. Will wrote about “newfangled dropouts that
allow for wireless dyno lighting” and I have never heard of
such a thing. I know next to NOTHING about dyno, except that I
really, really want it for my upcoming bike because I’m tired
of dead batteries, Who can tell us (me) about this new
wireless system and the dropouts it requires? And whatever
else you want to contribute will be valuable, too.

In thanks,
Leah

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Re: [RBW] What is wireless dyno about?

On 2/28/20 2:58 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
I think I know the answer, but please (y'all) confirm my suspicion:
this plugless (better than "wireless") connection system requires a
particular model of the SON hub, right?

Yes, the Son SL.

My old (2006?) SON -- model made for small wheels but installed in a
26" wheel -- will not work with this sort of in-fork wiring right?

No it will not.

I ask because I may before too long have a fork made to match a new
frame, and I'd love this feature, but I'm not sure I want to pay $273+
for another SON hub when mine still works just fine. If I buy another
uber alles German lighting product, it will be an Edeluxe II to
replace the doughty Edeluxe I.

On the other hand, a non-SL generator hub would work just fine in a fork
equipped with SL dropouts. You'd just need to run the wires as if the
SL stuff wasn't there. So if you had an old SON hub that you thought
you would be replacing at some point in the relatively near future and
you wanted to have the new frame SL-ready, you could go ahead and have
the fork built with the SL stuff and just not use it right away.

FWIW, after having use many Shimano and SP dynohubs with their
"cartridge" wiring plugs, and 2 SON hubs with their ungoverned prongs,
I have to say that a simple plug would make a great deal of the
attachment/reattachment hassle -- well, much less of a hassle. I bound
the female plugs for the SON together with shrink tubing and a zip
tie, and they are much less errant now than if left single and
isolated; but still, a cheap plastic Shimano-type plug makes life much
easier.

I don't disagree, but believe me, the SL stuff really is neat.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Knicker Quest

2020-02-28 Thread Dorothy C

Why don’t you trace a pattern off the ones you have, add seam allowances, and 
sew a pair?
If you don’t know how to sew, there are lots of resources on line or from 
library books. 

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Re: [RBW] What is wireless dyno about?

I think I know the answer, but please (y'all) confirm my suspicion: this
plugless (better than "wireless") connection system requires a particular
model of the SON hub, right? My old (2006?) SON -- model made for small
wheels but installed in a 26" wheel -- will not work with this sort of
in-fork wiring right?

I ask because I may before too long have a fork made to match a new frame,
and I'd love this feature, but I'm not sure I want to pay $273+ for another
SON hub when mine still works just fine. If I buy another uber alles German
lighting product, it will be an Edeluxe II to replace the doughty Edeluxe I.

FWIW, after having use many Shimano and SP dynohubs with their "cartridge"
wiring plugs, and 2 SON hubs with their ungoverned prongs, I have to say
that a simple plug would make a great deal of the attachment/reattachment
hassle -- well, much less of a hassle. I bound the female plugs for the SON
together with shrink tubing and a zip tie, and they are much less errant
now than if left single and isolated; but still, a cheap plastic
Shimano-type plug makes life much easier.

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Re: [RBW] What is wireless dyno about?

That's a non-issue for me, I always put the wheel in the way I've lined up the 
tabs to meet the wires. Eliminating the disconnect/connect part would be 
important enough for me to have my frame redone to get those dropouts. 

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Re: [RBW] What is wireless dyno about?

They're not really wireless. The wire is concealed inside the fork
blade. Here https://www.instagram.com/p/B8yoBUWFGJ-/ is an Instagram
posting from Peter Weigle showing the making of a number of fork blades
for the Schmidt SL system.

Installation and removal of the front wheel is no different than any
ordinary quick release front wheel - except that you have to make sure
you don't have the wheel in backwards (i.e., wrong side facing the
dropout with the connection plate). Where normally all you'd lose is
style points, here if you have the wheel in backwards the light won't work.

On 2/28/20 1:37 PM, Peter White wrote:

https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt-sl.php

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
mailto:jonasandle...@gmail.com>> wrote:

In yesterday’s newsletter from Rivendell there was a botched
custom for sale. Will wrote about “newfangled dropouts that allow
for wireless dyno lighting” and I have never heard of such a
thing. I know next to NOTHING about dyno, except that I really,
really want it for my upcoming bike because I’m tired of dead
batteries, Who can tell us (me) about this new wireless system and
the dropouts it requires? And whatever else you want to contribute
will be valuable, too.

In thanks,
Leah

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[RBW] Re: What is wireless dyno about?

2020-02-28 Thread George Schick

Interesting.  Never heard tell of such a thing.  Seems like you'd need to 
be meticulous about keeping both the surface of the dropout and that 
matching "plate" that has the cable connected to it very clean from dirt 
and grease, though.  Or else risk intermittent, flakey lighting.

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 11:27:39 AM UTC-6, phil k wrote:
>
> Leah,
>
> They are dropouts with contacts brazed on. The brazed on contact is run 
> inside the fork leg. This eliminates any wires having to be connected 
> directly to the hub.
>
> I have it on my Grand Bois custom, I'll try to take a picture when I get 
> home so you can see how it works.
>
> [image: Capture1.PNG]
>
> [image: Capture.PNG]
>
>
> On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 12:21:10 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>>
>> In yesterday’s newsletter from Rivendell there was a botched custom for 
>> sale. Will wrote about “newfangled dropouts that allow for wireless dyno 
>> lighting” and I have never heard of such a thing. I know next to NOTHING 
>> about dyno, except that I really, really want it for my upcoming bike 
>> because I’m tired of dead batteries, Who can tell us (me) about this new 
>> wireless system and the dropouts it requires? And whatever else you want to 
>> contribute will be valuable, too. 
>>
>> In thanks, 
>> Leah
>
>

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Re: [RBW] What is wireless dyno about?

That's a very cool feature. Disconnecting/reconnecting wires for wheel removal 
is a pain in the patooty. 

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Re: [RBW] What is wireless dyno about?

2020-02-28 Thread Peter White

https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt-sl.php

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In yesterday’s newsletter from Rivendell there was a botched custom for
> sale. Will wrote about “newfangled dropouts that allow for wireless dyno
> lighting” and I have never heard of such a thing. I know next to NOTHING
> about dyno, except that I really, really want it for my upcoming bike
> because I’m tired of dead batteries, Who can tell us (me) about this new
> wireless system and the dropouts it requires? And whatever else you want to
> contribute will be valuable, too.
>
> In thanks,
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

2020-02-28 Thread lconley

The fillet brazed bottom bracket was a $220 additional cost on my custom 
(the "swanky" orange one from the previous mailer). It was the best way to 
build the frame because they didn't have a bottom bracket lug that exactly 
fit the application. My custom didn't even get the custom lugs because (I 
assume) of the oversized tubing sizes used (no discount though). 

Laing

On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:11:41 PM UTC-5, Conway Bennett wrote:

> The new Atlantis and Crust Nor'easter both are lugged with a filet brazed 
> bottom bracket.  I assume it reduces the cost but is it functionally 
> better, worse, or the same as a lugged bb shell? 

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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

Fillet-brazed joints. 

Yes, my custom has a fillet BB, too. I don't know if it's to accommodate the 
angles or they just ran out of BB lugs, but I think it's cool so I don't care. 
Yes, they will build a complete fillet bike..there was one on the Blahg a while 
back built that way, then half faux lugs were added at the headtube. The frame 
had some pretty extreme angles and was cool as heck. 

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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale