Re: [RBW] 30 Days of Biking!

[Patrick Moore]

More nice photos; you seem to have a knack; are you a photography buff? My
own attempts, iPhone, are generally poor, especially if not in bright
sunlight. Perhaps I need a more fancy iPhone -- trying to keep my 5S alive
as long as possible, for reasons of principle as well as because I hate big
phones and the 5 is the last of the small ones (have 6S waiting in drawer,
unused).

Las Vegas seems pretty well appointed and tidy for a desert town.

I rode today -- fun! fixed gear and wind to 32 mph; I do like it; and I
like hills too, but this route has just "hill-lets" -- but didn't bother to
take pictures of the Paseo and North Diversion Channel trails (Montano to
Rio Grande trail to Paseo trail to NDC trail out to Balloon Park and
return, 17 miles. Got home in time to go to store, take dog for a bike/run,
and do more work).

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 10:18 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Tonight was the most gorgeous night. I started my ride late because I
> wanted to watch Analog’s drivetrain cleaning clinic on Instagram Live and
> get a weight-lifting workout done.
>
> I have needed to get out and be without all my yahoos who are now with me
> every hour of every day. The trouble was, once I got out there, I didn’t
> want to go home. Don’t ask me how I turned 11 miles into 2 hours but I
> definitely did.
>
> There is a father-son duo who decided to hike the mountains behind our
> houses and set up lanterns in the shape of Nevada. The display is massive,
> really impressive and wonderful. The land is BLM so nothing is built there
> and the lanterns light up that dark landscape. I had so many perfect views
> of it tonight - a real treat. There were people lighting fireworks off
> behind me and the lanterns of Nevada glowing before me; I hated to come
> home!
> 1. My Clem, in all it’s black and 50 Shades of Blue glory.
> 2. The pair of us, color coordinating
> 3. My Super Secret Bike Trail, with the lights of the Vegas strip in the
> background.
> 4&5: The lanterns of Nevada. So much more impressive with the eye than the
> iPhone.
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> > On Apr 22, 2020, at 7:54 PM, masmojo  wrote:
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> > The whether played havoc with my day. Storms were supposed to roll in
> mid-day, so the plan was to get up & ride before they got here.
> > Upon waking I realized it was already raining, so I figured my day was
> screwed. Sputtered around the house, changed out some track lights, did
> some futzing around with bikes.
> > At this point I realized the rain had stopped, but it was really humid!
> Not encouraging!
> > Then around 6:30 I started thinking I'd been a slug all day & I should
> get my ass in gear!
> > Grabbed my Kona A'HA cruiser with the intention of 6ish easy miles, but
> as is my inclination actually went double that. I know many of you may be
> thinking "Mas, this is a Rivendell forum, but none of your rides are on a
> Rivendell!"
> > Yes, I am aware that, I've been riding everything but ...
> > There's a good reason; my Atlantis was 6 bikes into a 8 bike stack
> against a wall and whenever I  went to fish it out, I would inevitably get
> distracted by some other shinny object, before I got to it & ride that
> instead!
> > But, last night I reorganized and the Atlantis is now near the top of
> the stack so I'll be riding it very soon!
> > I didn't ride it this evening,  because I was only going a short
> distance; I prefer the Atlantis  for longer distances so I rode the A'HA,
> which was just below it in the stack against the wall and  was also needing
> some Love.
> >
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/yZa5Rfo98jB8SfjK6
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[RBW] Re: FS: 52 Clem H Mustard

[Clayton Scott]

Clem and bullmooses are sold.

Clayton \m/ Scott 
HBG, CA

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[RBW] 30 Days of Biking!

[masmojo]

The whether played havoc with my day. Storms were supposed to roll in mid-day, 
so the plan was to get up & ride before they got here. 
Upon waking I realized it was already raining, so I figured my day was screwed. 
Sputtered around the house, changed out some track lights, did some futzing 
around with bikes. 
At this point I realized the rain had stopped, but it was really humid! Not 
encouraging!
Then around 6:30 I started thinking I'd been a slug all day & I should get my 
ass in gear!
Grabbed my Kona A'HA cruiser with the intention of 6ish easy miles, but as is 
my inclination actually went double that. I know many of you may be thinking 
"Mas, this is a Rivendell forum, but none of your rides are on a Rivendell!"
Yes, I am aware that, I've been riding everything but ...
There's a good reason; my Atlantis was 6 bikes into a 8 bike stack against a 
wall and whenever I  went to fish it out, I would inevitably get distracted by 
some other shinny object, before I got to it & ride that instead! 
But, last night I reorganized and the Atlantis is now near the top of the stack 
so I'll be riding it very soon!
I didn't ride it this evening,  because I was only going a short distance; I 
prefer the Atlantis  for longer distances so I rode the A'HA, which was just 
below it in the stack against the wall and  was also needing some Love.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/yZa5Rfo98jB8SfjK6

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Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

[JP]

Thanks all again for the good info.  I’m really relieved my wheels aren’t 
ruined as well.  

The only other angle is in assuming I needed more dramatic changes I got up to 
date on the really long bike developments of 2018, which is appealing to me as 
my dads old homer as a 63 always was more comfortable, and it sounds like the 
long wheelbase has progressed even more.  I’ll do some research.  

Best!

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Re: [RBW] 59 CM Roadeo for sale

[Jonathan D.]

I sent an PM to see pics. I am definitely interested. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

[Patrick Moore]

I saw your correction after I'd sent my reply. At any rate, your options
are all good:

1. Get a triple, and possibly a new rear derailleur.

2. Keep your double, but get a big enough rear cog (and possibly a longer
cage rear derailleur).

3. Assiduously internalize the Velominati rule #5. (Gloss on this
scripture: get used to climbing in a higher gear. I started out riding
fixed with a 63" gear, since I used a 60" gear for our steeper hills here
in ABQ, NM, but it was so horribly low for flats, not to mention downhills,
that I quickly moved up to 65", 67-8", and 70" for my errand bike, 75-6 for
my gofast, and found that hills flattened accordingly. Really, it took me
longer to accommodate our strong winds.)

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:33 PM JP  wrote:

> Sorry i meant to see it was not unpleasant.  It is pleasant!
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 4:24:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> +3 for swapping rings or cogs instead of selling the Sam, unless you have
>> other reasons to sell the Same.
>>
>> You said that your father's triple was not pleasant. Why is that? A well
>> set up triple works very well -- and I say that even though I forgo triples
>> for wide range doubles, and forgo very low gears to get closer gaps in the
>> middle. But you can easily get a lower-tan 1:1 ratio with a triple, and
>> even on a double is you don't mind wide gaps.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who did a 17 mile windy ride in a wide-range 76" gear
>> (fixed) in windy (gusts to 32 mph) ABQ, NM
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:08 AM JP  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't mind walking at all, it's not so so steep - but it is long - my
>>> dad's homer with a triple isn't a pleasant experience.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 9:40:58 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Welcome, JP!

 I second Dorthy's question, and add one:

 - walk the hill? The lowest common gear (LCG every bike has. Walking is
 never a failure, always an option, and sometimes the best option. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick, who rides fixed gear 70" most milage, 55" gear for single
 track on Pikes Peak, which includes LCG now and again.

 On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:56:29 AM UTC-6, JP wrote:
>
> Hello I’m JP.  I was at The Concord Willows REI 10 years ago and a
> person had a shirt that said “Rivendell lugged bikes” on it or something.
> I did an internet search when I got home and was converted by the wisdom
> immediately.  Took a lunch trip over to the shop and met Kevin, eventually
> created a “bike tree” of about 9 bikes with my own evangelizing.  With my
> Sam being #2 after getting my dad to buy a homer.
>
> Fast forward to today and I’ve since changed jobs houses and had more
> kids.
>
> Where I’ve moved has a relatively steep hill that had put me off
> riding for a while.  My Sam has a double crank with road bike oriented 
> size
> rings that was great until I moved.
> But with the help of a car rack and covid 19 I’ve stared again.
>
> I’m bummed I missed the 2018 Rivendell stress as I would have helped a
> bit.  I was having some work stress then too and missed it.
>
> Anyway thinking of selling my Sam and Will@rbw said to look on here.
>
>
> Really excited to be riding again in any case!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

[JP]

Sorry I meant it was not UNpleasant.  It's great!

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 4:24:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> You said that your father's triple was not pleasant. Why is that? A well 
> set up triple works very well -- and I say that even though I forgo triples 
> for wide range doubles, and forgo very low gears to get closer gaps in the 
> middle. But you can easily get a lower-tan 1:1 ratio with a triple, and 
> even on a double is you don't mind wide gaps.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

[JP]

Sorry i meant to see it was not unpleasant.  It is pleasant!

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 4:24:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> +3 for swapping rings or cogs instead of selling the Sam, unless you have 
> other reasons to sell the Same.
>
> You said that your father's triple was not pleasant. Why is that? A well 
> set up triple works very well -- and I say that even though I forgo triples 
> for wide range doubles, and forgo very low gears to get closer gaps in the 
> middle. But you can easily get a lower-tan 1:1 ratio with a triple, and 
> even on a double is you don't mind wide gaps.
>
> Patrick Moore, who did a 17 mile windy ride in a wide-range 76" gear 
> (fixed) in windy (gusts to 32 mph) ABQ, NM
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:08 AM JP > 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't mind walking at all, it's not so so steep - but it is long - my 
>> dad's homer with a triple isn't a pleasant experience.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 9:40:58 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Welcome, JP!
>>>
>>> I second Dorthy's question, and add one:
>>>
>>> - walk the hill? The lowest common gear (LCG every bike has. Walking is 
>>> never a failure, always an option, and sometimes the best option. Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick, who rides fixed gear 70" most milage, 55" gear for single track 
>>> on Pikes Peak, which includes LCG now and again.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:56:29 AM UTC-6, JP wrote:

 Hello I’m JP.  I was at The Concord Willows REI 10 years ago and a 
 person had a shirt that said “Rivendell lugged bikes” on it or something.  
  
 I did an internet search when I got home and was converted by the wisdom 
 immediately.  Took a lunch trip over to the shop and met Kevin, eventually 
 created a “bike tree” of about 9 bikes with my own evangelizing.  With my 
 Sam being #2 after getting my dad to buy a homer.   

 Fast forward to today and I’ve since changed jobs houses and had more 
 kids.   

 Where I’ve moved has a relatively steep hill that had put me off riding 
 for a while.  My Sam has a double crank with road bike oriented size rings 
 that was great until I moved. 
 But with the help of a car rack and covid 19 I’ve stared again. 

 I’m bummed I missed the 2018 Rivendell stress as I would have helped a 
 bit.  I was having some work stress then too and missed it. 

 Anyway thinking of selling my Sam and Will@rbw said to look on here.   

 Really excited to be riding again in any case! 

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[RBW] 30 Days of Biking!

[in Dallas nick]

That's outstanding Matt C !
Thanks for sharing a perfect day with the family. 
Paul in Dallas 

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Re: [RBW] 59 CM Roadeo for sale

[Patrick Moore]

Damn, that's a good price; it's a very good thing that it's a size too big
for me.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:56 AM Don Compton  wrote:

> I am selling my red Roadeo. 59CM, equipped with Shimano Ultegra 11sp
> group. Williams wheelset with Hutchinson Secteur tubless tires( a tube can
> easily added if you're uncomfortable with tubeless). Nitto stem and seat
> post, Soma Highway One handlebar. No saddle or pedals. No dents, a few
> paint chips , normal wear. Please email for pics. $1600 net to me.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

[Patrick Moore]

Even with a 34 t (or 36 t) inner ring you can get a 1:1 ratio with the
right big cog:

https://www.ebay.com/i/322899062173?chn=ps=1=1=711-117182-37290-0=2=322899062173=884619362040=c=pla=9030489==9338046851=94993845019=pla-884619362040=1139336=101673960=EAIaIQobChMIvLXo3pj96AIVCL7ACh2Ihw60EAkYAiABEgJtsfD_BwE

I'm pretty sure Miche sells them, but couldn't pull up one of theirs.

And innermost cogs get a heck of a lot bigger than 36 nowadays.

You might need a new rd to shift to a 36, but chances are you might not if
you already have a long cage derailleur.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:26 PM Erik Wright  wrote:

> I’m gonna guess your existing crank is 110 BCD and likely won’t
> accommodate a smaller front ring, as I’m also assuming it comes with a 34
> lil’ ring. That’s generally the smallest ring you can fit on a crank like
> that. A 30 tooth ring floated around here recently on another thread but
> for a cost of a new crank.
>
> You wouldn’t necessarily need a new derailleur depending on how you set it
> up. I have a sugino triple that I set up as a wide/low double by removing
> the outer ring and replacing the middle ring with a 44 tooth chainring. I
> use an old suntour derailleur and didn’t need a triple-specific derailleur.
> One additional cost associated with this move is the need for single speed
> chainring bolts, but those run $10 or so.
>
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[RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

[Erik Wright]

There’s a few good crank options that someone’s selling over on iBob right now:

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/internet-bob/3xeT5WyIjVE

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[RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

[Erik Wright]

I’m gonna guess your existing crank is 110 BCD and likely won’t accommodate a 
smaller front ring, as I’m also assuming it comes with a 34 lil’ ring. That’s 
generally the smallest ring you can fit on a crank like that. A 30 tooth ring 
floated around here recently on another thread but for a cost of a new crank.

You wouldn’t necessarily need a new derailleur depending on how you set it up. 
I have a sugino triple that I set up as a wide/low double by removing the outer 
ring and replacing the middle ring with a 44 tooth chainring. I use an old 
suntour derailleur and didn’t need a triple-specific derailleur. One additional 
cost associated with this move is the need for single speed chainring bolts, 
but those run $10 or so.

Erik, Philly

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Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

[Patrick Moore]

+3 for swapping rings or cogs instead of selling the Sam, unless you have
other reasons to sell the Same.

You said that your father's triple was not pleasant. Why is that? A well
set up triple works very well -- and I say that even though I forgo triples
for wide range doubles, and forgo very low gears to get closer gaps in the
middle. But you can easily get a lower-tan 1:1 ratio with a triple, and
even on a double is you don't mind wide gaps.

Patrick Moore, who did a 17 mile windy ride in a wide-range 76" gear
(fixed) in windy (gusts to 32 mph) ABQ, NM

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:08 AM JP  wrote:

> I don't mind walking at all, it's not so so steep - but it is long - my
> dad's homer with a triple isn't a pleasant experience.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 9:40:58 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Welcome, JP!
>>
>> I second Dorthy's question, and add one:
>>
>> - walk the hill? The lowest common gear (LCG every bike has. Walking is
>> never a failure, always an option, and sometimes the best option. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick, who rides fixed gear 70" most milage, 55" gear for single track
>> on Pikes Peak, which includes LCG now and again.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:56:29 AM UTC-6, JP wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello I’m JP.  I was at The Concord Willows REI 10 years ago and a
>>> person had a shirt that said “Rivendell lugged bikes” on it or something.
>>> I did an internet search when I got home and was converted by the wisdom
>>> immediately.  Took a lunch trip over to the shop and met Kevin, eventually
>>> created a “bike tree” of about 9 bikes with my own evangelizing.  With my
>>> Sam being #2 after getting my dad to buy a homer.
>>>
>>> Fast forward to today and I’ve since changed jobs houses and had more
>>> kids.
>>>
>>> Where I’ve moved has a relatively steep hill that had put me off riding
>>> for a while.  My Sam has a double crank with road bike oriented size rings
>>> that was great until I moved.
>>> But with the help of a car rack and covid 19 I’ve stared again.
>>>
>>> I’m bummed I missed the 2018 Rivendell stress as I would have helped a
>>> bit.  I was having some work stress then too and missed it.
>>>
>>> Anyway thinking of selling my Sam and Will@rbw said to look on here.
>>>
>>> Really excited to be riding again in any case!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

[Analog Cycles]

Rims need polishing and cleaning, which is pretty easy with a Hozan rim
cleaner or fine sand paper.  Brake pads in all likelihood need filed down
or replaced, they probably have crud stuck in them.

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On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:11 PM JP  wrote:

> Here you are.  It's a 60cm with sidepull silver brakes.  I normally have
> the seat higher.
>
> It's in great shape with the exception the front rims are very grindy
> sounds when i break and i don't know if that's normal.  I put it picture to
> inquiry as to you folks as to if they rims are damaged or if noise from
> past debris is a concern at all.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 12:13:34 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Well don't be shy, let's see that Sam!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Collin A]

Well aren't you in luck...wrote it up about a year ago. Links to the route 
are at the bottom

https://docs.google.com/document/d/17d158deQiEkjr8pvIZfszoqJQqghZVNFzBsoZmqhg-E/edit?usp=sharing

 And thanks for the compliments on the clem, it definitely serves well as a 
mostly blank and adaptable canvas.

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 1:44:21 PM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Collin, I really dug the photos of your Clem, lots of great ways to camp 
> on that bike! Especially love the bottle behind the seat tube.
>
> Would love to hear more about that Lava Beds route, if you could 
> elaborate...
>
> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>>
>> I'm a big fan of the large voluminous bags that allow you to stuff all 
>> sorts of things into them, rather than strapping all sorts of bags 
>> everywhere; Think BagsxBird and Sackville saddle sacks. That being said, I 
>> find that having one or two accessory bags strapped to the handlebars help 
>> with organization that the large bags aren't so good at - tool bag, 
>> phone/camera bag, first aid - things you want easy access to and you don't 
>> have to go digging for.
>>
>> Re: Bikepacking bags - I found that they are mostly designed to operate 
>> without racks, which tend to save a big chunk of weight, and the smaller 
>> bags encourage only bringing what you need. However, it is part of a *system 
>> *which means you will also need the super packable tent, sleeping bag, 
>> cookset, etc. to make it operate well ($$)
>>
>> Personally, I like to run a hybrid system with a bagsxbird bag attached 
>> to the handlebars, a bedrock tapeats to hold my phone, camera, and wallet; 
>> half-framebag; sackville bagboy bag supported by a tumbleweed t-rack that I 
>> can attach mini-paniers (for longer trips) or extra bottle cages for more 
>> water if needed. The perk with this setup is it allows for easy removal of 
>> all bags to lighten the bike up for a day ride once you get to your 
>> destination and explore the park/reserve/forest you are staying at. An 
>> album that I occsionally update is here, if you are curious: 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JU2uuwp957K5S5H79
>>
>> Just daydreaming now,
>> Collin in Sac
>>
>> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:38:26 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Aren't the bikepacker-type of bags meant to make riding easier in bush, 
>>> and also to save a wee bit of weight for those who like minimalist camping? 
>>> Just curious; I agree that, if these aren't the reasons, I can't see why 
>>> you'd forgo racks and panniers. Racks and panniers are certainly better for 
>>> errands and they are my preferred setup because they allow such flexibility 
>>> of volume 1 or a pair of either Sports Packers or Backrollers.
>>>
>>> Tubus racks were my choice until I started having customs made; the Fly 
>>> -- no longer made -- weighed 11 oz but was rated to 20 kg and several of 
>>> them served me well indeed.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:11 AM Pat Smith  wrote:
>>>
 I'm a big fan of the traditional 2 pannier setup. All these special 
 bikepacking bags seem more hassle than they are worth. 

 Get a decent rack, like a Blackburn Grid (or something nicer if you're 
 feeling fancy) and a pair of Ortlieb backrollers and you're good to go for 
 a night or two. The space on top of the rack between the two panniers is 
 good for bungee cording a tarp/footprint or whatever else is weatherproof. 
 What I found was getting the actual camping gear was more effort (bag, 
 tent, pad, cookware, etc.). I do like a small handlebar or saddle bag for 
 my cell/keys/wallet type of items. 

 Two panniers may be a bit overkill on a S24O in warm weather, but if 
 you're only on your bike for a day or so the little extra weight and 
 capacity won't kill you.

 On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>
> Hello all, 
>
> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. 
> Any sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from 
> the house, do one or two overnights, and ride home. 
>
> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a 
> backpack or bike basket and going. 
>
> Jason 
> SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Replace headset on Clem? Cabin fever?

[Joe Bernard]

As an alternative way to look at it, I think the original Clem "rinko" headset 
has a retro-cool vibe that matches what the idea started as: a new budget 
utilitarian frame you can buy instead of grabbing an old mountain bike off 
Craigslist and spending a fortune to make your "cheap find" work.  

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[RBW] Re: Replace headset on Clem? Cabin fever?

[David B]

Thanks for everyone's thoughts on this. I still am not sure what I'll do. 
Functionally, nothing wrong with the headset. To my eye the headsets that 
come stock on other Riv frames just seem a little slicker, dare I say 
'higher' end. I understand the philosophy of the Clem and the decision for 
the sorta of (but not really) rinko headset.
David

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 10:40:27 AM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>
> Maybe I'm just getting into bike projects that aren't necessary 
> whatsoever, but I'm interested in swapping up a couple things on my bikes.
> I've never replaced a headset before, but I'm contemplating upgrading the 
> rinko-style cups that my Clem and wife's Clementine came with for something 
> swankier. 
>
> Questions:
> Is this crazy? The current headsets function fine, purely cosmetic.
> Is this worth it to me to buy the proper tools? I likely won't have a need 
> to change headset aside from these two bikes. Some sort of diy tools?
> Or should I just let my LBS take care of this?
>
> The main reason I'm thinking about this is I added a Silver2 shifter/mount 
> as a headset spacer (works great) and the wider headset cup looks out of 
> place now that everything's a bit cluttered.
> Photo here: https://www.instagram.com/p/B-99voyFx5D/
>
> Thoughts/ideas/suggestions welcome!
> David
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[RBW] Re: Replace headset on Clem? Cabin fever?

[David B]

I'm thinking if I do this, I'll just buy tools and forego the diy. Lots of 
covid cases in my area and still lots of folks going into 'essential' 
stores, so the idea of rooting around a hardware store doesn't sound 
appealing to me right now.

Christopher - I did intentionally place the shifter mount in that manner 
since the previous Sunrace thumb shifter mounted on the stem could only 
mount in that orientation. However, with Riv's new design, I didn't realize 
I could fit that on the same side, but with mount behind the quill AND 
still have the shifter oriented in the same manner. I might switch this up. 
I don't want to mount to stem because I'll have 2 handlebar setups (using a 
rinko trick) that I can easily swap. Having the shifter mounted as a 
headset spacer means I don't have to mess with it at all to swap setups. 

David

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 9:46:43 AM UTC-5, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> My two cents (or more):
>
> Don't replace the headset if it's working fine. If you must, I've had 
> pretty good success with the threaded-rod-plus-washers DIY solution. You 
> need to be very cautious when the cups first start to seat, make sure 
> they're going in straight. But it works. I bought a cup remover ages ago, 
> and it was well worth the cost. Chiseling out the old cups with a 
> screwdriver is no good.
>
> I have no experience with this particular tool, but for $60, it looks 
> worth a try:
>
>
> https://www.jensonusa.com/Foundation-Headset-Press-Tool-For-1-and-1-18-Headsets
>
> Finally, did you intentionally put the shifter mount facing forwards like 
> that? Seems like it would work better flipped over 180 degrees so that the 
> shifter is behind the steerer axis. Or does the cable hit the frame when 
> you turn the front wheel if it's mounted like that? Is that a shifter mount 
> for 1-1/8" steerers? Do they have a mount that clamps on 22.2mm stems?
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 11:40:27 AM UTC-4, David B wrote:
>>
>> Maybe I'm just getting into bike projects that aren't necessary 
>> whatsoever, but I'm interested in swapping up a couple things on my bikes.
>> I've never replaced a headset before, but I'm contemplating upgrading the 
>> rinko-style cups that my Clem and wife's Clementine came with for something 
>> swankier. 
>>
>> Questions:
>> Is this crazy? The current headsets function fine, purely cosmetic.
>> Is this worth it to me to buy the proper tools? I likely won't have a 
>> need to change headset aside from these two bikes. Some sort of diy tools?
>> Or should I just let my LBS take care of this?
>>
>> The main reason I'm thinking about this is I added a Silver2 
>> shifter/mount as a headset spacer (works great) and the wider headset cup 
>> looks out of place now that everything's a bit cluttered.
>> Photo here: https://www.instagram.com/p/B-99voyFx5D/
>>
>> Thoughts/ideas/suggestions welcome!
>> David
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Replace headset on Clem? Cabin fever?

[David B]

Good advice! Certainly a little crazy, but possibly a good excuse to 
finally learn how to remove/install headsets. 
Joe, I might take you up on your offer if I don't decide to invest in tools 
right now - and thanks for the offer! 
David


On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 1:53:28 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Do I think you can do it? Sure, I'll even send you my headset tool 
> (including adapters for CK if you buy their fancy headset), just pay 
> shipping and ship it back someday. I never got around to using it and may 
> never bother. 
>
> Do I think the current headset is fine and you're crazy? Yes! But it might 
> be a fun project anyway  
>
> Joe "still crazy after all these years" Bernard 
> Marin County CA.  

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[RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

[James / Analog Cycles]

You can have ultra low gears (lower than any stock bike) and keep decently 
high gears.  You just need to be willing to operate outside the box a bit.  
You can even use a double... but you need a specific kinda double, a wide 
range one, like the White Industries VBC road cranks.  A 44/24 combo up 
front and a 11-40 cassette in the back let you ride really low low gears, 
but still keep your high gears.  I have it on my Sam, works great.  I could 
blather on about it, but if you want to know specifics, IE what you'd have 
to change, let me know, I'm happy to help.

-James 'Turkey Vulture gearing' Johnson

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 4:04:50 PM UTC-4, JP wrote:
>
> Yes i'm learning about options with regard to new gearing - i have a few 
> technical questions about it.  I don't mind coasting a bit downhill as well 
> if that's a limitation of a double that requires less torque from me.
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 9:14:13 AM UTC-7, Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>> Why sell the Sam and not just put a new crank and cassette on it?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Neil Doran]

Great thread, looks like most of the options are covered!

In honing my Riv-style dirtbagging setup, I've found it is very hard to 
beat a front basket on a solid rack with a bungee net to handle overflow. 
That is the core of my system, paired with a Carsick bartender bag and a 
Swift burrito bag. That is a lot of front-end storage, which I love. I add 
an Acorn transverse saddle bag, an older one which is about 7L or so. Can 
also strap stuff outside the saddle bag if necessary.

This system is good for several nights as long as I don't need to ferry too 
much food or water.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Camping bikes

[Neil Doran]

Collin, I really dug the photos of your Clem, lots of great ways to camp on 
that bike! Especially love the bottle behind the seat tube.

Would love to hear more about that Lava Beds route, if you could 
elaborate...

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>
> I'm a big fan of the large voluminous bags that allow you to stuff all 
> sorts of things into them, rather than strapping all sorts of bags 
> everywhere; Think BagsxBird and Sackville saddle sacks. That being said, I 
> find that having one or two accessory bags strapped to the handlebars help 
> with organization that the large bags aren't so good at - tool bag, 
> phone/camera bag, first aid - things you want easy access to and you don't 
> have to go digging for.
>
> Re: Bikepacking bags - I found that they are mostly designed to operate 
> without racks, which tend to save a big chunk of weight, and the smaller 
> bags encourage only bringing what you need. However, it is part of a *system 
> *which means you will also need the super packable tent, sleeping bag, 
> cookset, etc. to make it operate well ($$)
>
> Personally, I like to run a hybrid system with a bagsxbird bag attached to 
> the handlebars, a bedrock tapeats to hold my phone, camera, and wallet; 
> half-framebag; sackville bagboy bag supported by a tumbleweed t-rack that I 
> can attach mini-paniers (for longer trips) or extra bottle cages for more 
> water if needed. The perk with this setup is it allows for easy removal of 
> all bags to lighten the bike up for a day ride once you get to your 
> destination and explore the park/reserve/forest you are staying at. An 
> album that I occsionally update is here, if you are curious: 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JU2uuwp957K5S5H79
>
> Just daydreaming now,
> Collin in Sac
>
> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:38:26 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Aren't the bikepacker-type of bags meant to make riding easier in bush, 
>> and also to save a wee bit of weight for those who like minimalist camping? 
>> Just curious; I agree that, if these aren't the reasons, I can't see why 
>> you'd forgo racks and panniers. Racks and panniers are certainly better for 
>> errands and they are my preferred setup because they allow such flexibility 
>> of volume 1 or a pair of either Sports Packers or Backrollers.
>>
>> Tubus racks were my choice until I started having customs made; the Fly 
>> -- no longer made -- weighed 11 oz but was rated to 20 kg and several of 
>> them served me well indeed.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:11 AM Pat Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a big fan of the traditional 2 pannier setup. All these special 
>>> bikepacking bags seem more hassle than they are worth. 
>>>
>>> Get a decent rack, like a Blackburn Grid (or something nicer if you're 
>>> feeling fancy) and a pair of Ortlieb backrollers and you're good to go for 
>>> a night or two. The space on top of the rack between the two panniers is 
>>> good for bungee cording a tarp/footprint or whatever else is weatherproof. 
>>> What I found was getting the actual camping gear was more effort (bag, 
>>> tent, pad, cookware, etc.). I do like a small handlebar or saddle bag for 
>>> my cell/keys/wallet type of items. 
>>>
>>> Two panniers may be a bit overkill on a S24O in warm weather, but if 
>>> you're only on your bike for a day or so the little extra weight and 
>>> capacity won't kill you.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:

 Hello all, 

 I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any 
 sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the 
 house, do one or two overnights, and ride home. 

 Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a 
 backpack or bike basket and going. 

 Jason 
 SF, CA
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[RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

[JP]

Yes i'm learning about options with regard to new gearing - i have a few 
technical questions about it.  I don't mind coasting a bit downhill as well 
if that's a limitation of a double that requires less torque from me.

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 9:14:13 AM UTC-7, Dorothy C wrote:
>
> Why sell the Sam and not just put a new crank and cassette on it?

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[RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oh, and I forgot to repeat, just swap your cranks for a tirpple or a wide 
double and you're all set. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Gotcha. As another alternative, you can learn to climb with greater 
> power/torque at a slower cadence. In effect, you are doing a one-legged 
> squat with each pedal stroke, while pulling up on the bars. The trick is to 
> do so with partial power and continue to slow breathe (I nose breathe only, 
> save for fully anaerobic climbs and/or climbs at higher altitude (starting 
> around 11k feet). It takes a bit to get used to it, but it uses anaerobic 
> power with aerobic effort, if that makes sense.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 11:08:24 AM UTC-6, JP wrote:
>>
>> I don't mind walking at all, it's not so so steep - but it is long - my 
>> dad's homer with a triple isn't a pleasant experience.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 9:40:58 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Welcome, JP!
>>>
>>> I second Dorthy's question, and add one:
>>>
>>> - walk the hill? The lowest common gear (LCG every bike has. Walking is 
>>> never a failure, always an option, and sometimes the best option. Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick, who rides fixed gear 70" most milage, 55" gear for single track 
>>> on Pikes Peak, which includes LCG now and again.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:56:29 AM UTC-6, JP wrote:

 Hello I’m JP.  I was at The Concord Willows REI 10 years ago and a 
 person had a shirt that said “Rivendell lugged bikes” on it or something.  
  
 I did an internet search when I got home and was converted by the wisdom 
 immediately.  Took a lunch trip over to the shop and met Kevin, eventually 
 created a “bike tree” of about 9 bikes with my own evangelizing.  With my 
 Sam being #2 after getting my dad to buy a homer.   

 Fast forward to today and I’ve since changed jobs houses and had more 
 kids.   

 Where I’ve moved has a relatively steep hill that had put me off riding 
 for a while.  My Sam has a double crank with road bike oriented size rings 
 that was great until I moved. 
 But with the help of a car rack and covid 19 I’ve stared again. 

 I’m bummed I missed the 2018 Rivendell stress as I would have helped a 
 bit.  I was having some work stress then too and missed it. 

 Anyway thinking of selling my Sam and Will@rbw said to look on here.   

 Really excited to be riding again in any case! 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Gotcha. As another alternative, you can learn to climb with greater 
power/torque at a slower cadence. In effect, you are doing a one-legged 
squat with each pedal stroke, while pulling up on the bars. The trick is to 
do so with partial power and continue to slow breathe (I nose breathe only, 
save for fully anaerobic climbs and/or climbs at higher altitude (starting 
around 11k feet). It takes a bit to get used to it, but it uses anaerobic 
power with aerobic effort, if that makes sense.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 11:08:24 AM UTC-6, JP wrote:
>
> I don't mind walking at all, it's not so so steep - but it is long - my 
> dad's homer with a triple isn't a pleasant experience.  
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 9:40:58 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Welcome, JP!
>>
>> I second Dorthy's question, and add one:
>>
>> - walk the hill? The lowest common gear (LCG every bike has. Walking is 
>> never a failure, always an option, and sometimes the best option. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick, who rides fixed gear 70" most milage, 55" gear for single track 
>> on Pikes Peak, which includes LCG now and again.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:56:29 AM UTC-6, JP wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello I’m JP.  I was at The Concord Willows REI 10 years ago and a 
>>> person had a shirt that said “Rivendell lugged bikes” on it or something.   
>>> I did an internet search when I got home and was converted by the wisdom 
>>> immediately.  Took a lunch trip over to the shop and met Kevin, eventually 
>>> created a “bike tree” of about 9 bikes with my own evangelizing.  With my 
>>> Sam being #2 after getting my dad to buy a homer.   
>>>
>>> Fast forward to today and I’ve since changed jobs houses and had more 
>>> kids.   
>>>
>>> Where I’ve moved has a relatively steep hill that had put me off riding 
>>> for a while.  My Sam has a double crank with road bike oriented size rings 
>>> that was great until I moved. 
>>> But with the help of a car rack and covid 19 I’ve stared again. 
>>>
>>> I’m bummed I missed the 2018 Rivendell stress as I would have helped a 
>>> bit.  I was having some work stress then too and missed it. 
>>>
>>> Anyway thinking of selling my Sam and Will@rbw said to look on here.   
>>>
>>> Really excited to be riding again in any case! 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] ISO WTB - Nitto S-84 Seatpost

[Charlie]

Hi Ryan,

I sent you a private message yesterday. Did you get it?

Thanks!

Charlie

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> Charlie,
>
> I can accommodate you likely contact me if still searching.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ryan Hankinson
> West Michigan
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Re: [RBW] Dyno light installation, which side of the do you prefer?

[Jeffery Shepherd]

Thanks for all the input. For now, I have a left side nitto light mount on
the way. When the local bike co-op opens back up I'm going to sift through
the parts bin and try the centerpull brake arm hack. Maybe the light can
get far enough forward to clear the basket/tire and I can play around with
mounting left or right side.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 4:39 PM Peter White  wrote:

> It's only been a very few years that we've had sufficiently bright
> emitters to allow a wide beam to be projected that was bright enough to be
> useable. Back when Singer and Herse were building bikes the beams had to be
> very narrow to be at all useful. So there was no meaningful shadow, on
> either side. Mounting the light on the left made perfect sense.
>
> These days, mounting the light on either side creates a huge and obnoxious
> shadow. If at all possible, mount the headlight on center. Why waste
> photons illuminating your tire?
>
> PJW
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:19 AM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> The great French constructeurs (Singer, Herse, etc.) mounted the light on
>> the left side of the small front rack or on the front fender. Never on the
>> righthand side. Trust the experts.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyonly...@me.com
>> www.campyonly.com
>> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2020, at 7:57 AM, ted  wrote:
>>
>> When faced with this situation I’ve gone with mounting on the left side.
>> This lights up more pavement since one rides on the right side of the lane.
>> However mounting on the right would give shadow free illumination of the
>> road edge, so you might prefer that.
>> This is why I’m so disappointed they stoped putting the plate with a
>> mounting whole on the front center of the marks and mini front racks.
>> Personally, I really really want my front light dead center. Not having the
>> tire centered in the beam drives me crazy.
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[RBW] Re: 650b tires for 47 cm Roadini

[Joe Bernard]

Wow. Yup, dats alotta clearance!

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[RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

[Joe Bernard]

Well don't be shy, let's see that Sam!

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[RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

[JP]

Sorry i meant to say my dad's homer with a triple isn't UNpleasant (really 
it is pleasant)!!



On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:08:24 AM UTC-7, JP wrote:
>
> I don't mind walking at all, it's not so so steep - but it is long - my 
> dad's homer with a triple isn't a pleasant experience.  
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 9:40:58 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Welcome, JP!
>>
>> I second Dorthy's question, and add one:
>>
>> - walk the hill? The lowest common gear (LCG every bike has. Walking is 
>> never a failure, always an option, and sometimes the best option. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick, who rides fixed gear 70" most milage, 55" gear for single track 
>> on Pikes Peak, which includes LCG now and again.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:56:29 AM UTC-6, JP wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello I’m JP.  I was at The Concord Willows REI 10 years ago and a 
>>> person had a shirt that said “Rivendell lugged bikes” on it or something.   
>>> I did an internet search when I got home and was converted by the wisdom 
>>> immediately.  Took a lunch trip over to the shop and met Kevin, eventually 
>>> created a “bike tree” of about 9 bikes with my own evangelizing.  With my 
>>> Sam being #2 after getting my dad to buy a homer.   
>>>
>>> Fast forward to today and I’ve since changed jobs houses and had more 
>>> kids.   
>>>
>>> Where I’ve moved has a relatively steep hill that had put me off riding 
>>> for a while.  My Sam has a double crank with road bike oriented size rings 
>>> that was great until I moved. 
>>> But with the help of a car rack and covid 19 I’ve stared again. 
>>>
>>> I’m bummed I missed the 2018 Rivendell stress as I would have helped a 
>>> bit.  I was having some work stress then too and missed it. 
>>>
>>> Anyway thinking of selling my Sam and Will@rbw said to look on here.   
>>>
>>> Really excited to be riding again in any case! 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

[JP]

I don't mind walking at all, it's not so so steep - but it is long - my 
dad's homer with a triple isn't a pleasant experience.  



On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 9:40:58 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Welcome, JP!
>
> I second Dorthy's question, and add one:
>
> - walk the hill? The lowest common gear (LCG every bike has. Walking is 
> never a failure, always an option, and sometimes the best option. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick, who rides fixed gear 70" most milage, 55" gear for single track 
> on Pikes Peak, which includes LCG now and again.
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:56:29 AM UTC-6, JP wrote:
>>
>> Hello I’m JP.  I was at The Concord Willows REI 10 years ago and a person 
>> had a shirt that said “Rivendell lugged bikes” on it or something.   I did 
>> an internet search when I got home and was converted by the wisdom 
>> immediately.  Took a lunch trip over to the shop and met Kevin, eventually 
>> created a “bike tree” of about 9 bikes with my own evangelizing.  With my 
>> Sam being #2 after getting my dad to buy a homer.   
>>
>> Fast forward to today and I’ve since changed jobs houses and had more 
>> kids.   
>>
>> Where I’ve moved has a relatively steep hill that had put me off riding 
>> for a while.  My Sam has a double crank with road bike oriented size rings 
>> that was great until I moved. 
>> But with the help of a car rack and covid 19 I’ve stared again. 
>>
>> I’m bummed I missed the 2018 Rivendell stress as I would have helped a 
>> bit.  I was having some work stress then too and missed it. 
>>
>> Anyway thinking of selling my Sam and Will@rbw said to look on here.   
>>
>> Really excited to be riding again in any case! 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Patrick Moore]

I'm not at all faulting your decision to sell your Roadini, but my 2 most
recent Road customs have 45 mm stays and define my idea of impeccable
handling with bar 3-4 cm below saddle, tho' on 8 cm stems. Dodging potholes
is easy! 73* sta, tho' saddle pretty far back on rails.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 7:44 PM Matt Dreher <99m...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've harped a lot about my travails with my 61 Roadini on here and on
> iBOB, and having just sold it I may as well bring it up for the last time
> because I think it's important to know why you love something.
>
> What makes the Roadini so special is the chainstay length, running from 45
> to 46cm and rising 5mm every size. Mine didn't work out for me because I
> started wanting to take a very un-Rivendell fit with my bars about level
> with the saddle and a 100mm stem. That put my center of mass way further
> forward than it would otherwise, which I found had really adverse effects
> on my handling. Small position changes like avoiding potholes felt like
> they were two consecutive motions instead of one and I felt my rear
> reaching its limit of traction under hard cornering too easily. After I got
> a bike with 41.5 stays I realized that that's what was going on, I was
> taking a position that loaded up my front wheel more and took too much
> weight off the back than what Grant was designing for.
>
> That's also what makes it so good for a position that puts your bars
> significantly higher than the saddle. If I were to try that upright
> Rivendell position on that 41.5-stay bike it would feel awful, far too
> light in the front because there's so much weight on the rear wheel. With
> the Roadini taking an upright position is fine because the geometry lets
> you maintain a neutral weight distribution and good handling.
>
> I'm not sorry I owned it, it was a wonderful bike and it taught me a lot
> about how geometry can imply a certain fit. Glad you're all enjoying yours
> so much!
>
> On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 8:56:29 PM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to
>> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time
>> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant
>> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>>
>> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has a
>> terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a
>> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike
>> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a
>> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.
>> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand
>> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>>
>> Build:
>> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
>> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
>> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
>> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
>> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
>> Deore 9 RD
>> Sora FD
>> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
>> Schwalbe One 28s
>> Berthoud Saddle
>>
>>
>> I'll get a pic up soon.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Welcome, JP!

I second Dorthy's question, and add one:

- walk the hill? The lowest common gear (LCG every bike has. Walking is 
never a failure, always an option, and sometimes the best option. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick, who rides fixed gear 70" most milage, 55" gear for single track on 
Pikes Peak, which includes LCG now and again.

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:56:29 AM UTC-6, JP wrote:
>
> Hello I’m JP.  I was at The Concord Willows REI 10 years ago and a person 
> had a shirt that said “Rivendell lugged bikes” on it or something.   I did 
> an internet search when I got home and was converted by the wisdom 
> immediately.  Took a lunch trip over to the shop and met Kevin, eventually 
> created a “bike tree” of about 9 bikes with my own evangelizing.  With my 
> Sam being #2 after getting my dad to buy a homer.   
>
> Fast forward to today and I’ve since changed jobs houses and had more 
> kids.   
>
> Where I’ve moved has a relatively steep hill that had put me off riding 
> for a while.  My Sam has a double crank with road bike oriented size rings 
> that was great until I moved. 
> But with the help of a car rack and covid 19 I’ve stared again. 
>
> I’m bummed I missed the 2018 Rivendell stress as I would have helped a 
> bit.  I was having some work stress then too and missed it. 
>
> Anyway thinking of selling my Sam and Will@rbw said to look on here.   
>
> Really excited to be riding again in any case! 
>

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[RBW] Introduction with ulterior motive

[Dorothy C]

Why sell the Sam and not just put a new crank and cassette on it?

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[RBW] Re: 650b tires for 47 cm Roadini

[Paul Brodek]

I've been nosing around 650b alternatives and thought I'd mention a couple 
of sorta off-topic newer tires here, just to have the info all in once 
place. And I've been messing around these past couple of days with a couple 
of the tires mentioned, so I have some observations and data.

As for tires that have already been mentioned, I haven't found any 
seemingly easy/reliable non-French sources for the Confriere. XXCycle is 
usually the first to pop up on google, I've bought from them before in 
pre-covid times. Not sure what air mail from France is like these days. The 
tires are pretty affordable at around $25ea at today's conversion rates, 
not sure what shipping costs. I thought I had a pair on hand, bought 10yrs+ 
ago, could only find one yesterday.

The Confriere is lighter than my equally-aged Grand Bois Cypres standard, 
280g vs 311g actual. Current spec is 267g for the Confriere and 320g/260g 
for the Grand Bois std/EL. Both tires are spec'd 32-584, while the 
Confriere measures a little bit wider, 33mm vs 32mm on Velocity Aerohead 
rims. But the Confriere has a tread overhand on the side of the tire, 
meaning the tread wraps around the side of the tire and sits above the 
casing, like the Vittoria Corsa tires, so the actual casing width is the 
same. At least on the ones I played with yesterday. The Confriere was 
probably never mounted/inflated, so it might  expand some. The GBs were 
well-used, so they've stretched about all they will.

The GB Cypres are readily available out of Japan, as long as retailers have 
stock and covid doesn't interfere with air shipments. Ordering direct from 
i's Bicycles in Kyoto, or Blue Lug in Tokyo, is pretty straightforward. 
Blue Lug I think will allow you to check out directly online with paypal, 
i's will send you a paypal invoice including air shipping costs after you 
order. 

Scott Davis also imports GB tires, and is their official US distributor, 
and he usually has listings on ebay. He had red-tread 32s on ebay 
yesterday, nothing with black tread. I think I saw him post elsewhere that 
he wasn't likely to get another shipment of anything till mid-May, due to 
covid impact on, I guess, everything. Japan domestic production/shipping, 
Japan retailer operations, US>Japan shipping.

There are a couple/few alternatives that are narrower than 32mm, again 
sorta off-topic, but interesting.

Schwalbe makes the G-One stubbly tire in a 30-584, but not in the 
highest-zoot Race spec. I think it's their second-tier spec, Performance or 
something.

Continental makes the GP5000 in a 28-584. I'd get real fired up if they 
moved that up into the 32mm+ range.

Both of those are relatively recent tires, but I also just saw that Ritchey 
makes the Tom Slick in a 28-584. The Tom Slick has been around for a long 
time, though there might have been changed/improvements over the years.

As to why these narrower 584s exist, I think it's probably a Euro thing, 
with a lot of vintage especially French rando bikes designed around 23-32mm 
650b tires. They also might be just the ticket if you had some weird 
aero-schmaero track time trial frame designed around 700x21c tires. 28mm 
650b tires would get you more cush, and you'd probably still have decent 
ground clearance.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA   

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 6:55:41 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> The Continental Contact Speed is available as 650B x 32.  Blackwall only. 
> (English supply)  Hutchison Confriere is also 650B x 32 and has a gray 
> sidewall (French sellers).  Grand Bois Cypres 650B x 32 is available with a 
> tan wall.  (from Japan or from Berthoud).   You can also ask on the 650B 
> list and hunt Craigs or Ebay lists. 
>
> Soma B-Line (or Express if you find some around) all are listed as 38 but 
> run 36 on my bike.  Instead of Nifty Swifty, which has wire bead, you might 
> see if you can get Maxy Fasty with fevlar.  It's 33.4 mmm Tan sidewalls.
>
> Bruce (26" & 650B only!)in Alabama
>
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[RBW] Re: first impressions of Atlantis

[Clark Fitzgerald]

This is a follow up after a couple more weeks of riding.

My other bikes are a tandem and a 94 Specialized Hard Rock with 2.3" Rene 
Herse RTP tires and nice handlebars. It's a great bike that I lock outside 
and use for errands. I took this bike out on the same route that I've been 
riding my new Atlantis, and was surprised how much I preferred the ride of 
the Atlantis. Compared to the other bike, the Atlantis is much smoother on 
bumpy terrain, seems to keep up the momentum better, moves less when I 
pedal, and requires more leaning to turn. Both bikes weigh about the same, 
and are the same speed (15 mph) on the section I measured.

I thought I was buying a Rivendell for the aesthetics. I was pleasantly 
surprised that the ride was so much better.


On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:39:39 PM UTC-7, Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
> I've had my new Atlantis for one week now, and have taken it on one 4 hour 
> ride and one quick overnight trip. It's my first Rivendell, and I'm very 
> happy with it. It's the quintessential "All-Rounder", and I plan to use it 
> for anything and everything, for a very long time. Photos 
> 
> .
>
> My original order was for a Susie Longbolts, the "Hillibike". In fantasy 
> land I ride my bike on high alpine singletrack all day long. The Hillibike 
> would be great for that. In reality, I have little time for those kinds of 
> grand adventures. My day to day adventures are more modest in scale. I tow 
> my kids, ride my bike on bike paths, smooth urban singletrack, gravel 
> roads, with at least 50% pavement. The terrain is similar to Walnut Creek. 
> I know that if I got something with big knobby tires, then I would not be 
> so happy on the pavement.
>
> Will at Rivendell changed my order over to the Atlantis. He's a nice guy. 
> The frame is a 59cm, with the rainbow double top tube. It's unique and 
> beautiful. I had some nitpicks about details on the Susie Longbolts, but 
> the Atlantis is Rivendell design and details at its finest.
>
> I'm 6'1", and my PBH is 89 cm, which puts me right on the edge of fitting 
> this bike. It's a big bike. I noticed it more when I had it fully loaded, 
> because I have to do a roundhouse kick like Chuck Norris to get my leg over 
> my sleeping pad that's on top of the saddle bag.
>
> This is my first time using the saddle bag, and it has been great. I 
> thought the thigh rubbing would bother me, but it doesn't. I do need a 
> kickstand to tour with it though. It's no fun to dig through everything in 
> the saddlebag while the bike is laid on it's side in the dark.
>
> The ride is smooth and stable. I passed a group of hikers while climbing 
> some steep singletrack, and got some comments like, "I can't believe you're 
> riding this hill on that bike." Don't let the non racy looks deceive you, 
> this bike climbs better than any bike I've been on, both loaded and 
> unloaded. It reminds me of a tractor on the steep hills. Just put it in low 
> gear, sit down, and spin. 
>
> After the 4 hour ride my body felt fine, which surprised me, given that I 
> haven't been on a long ride in months. On any of my other bikes I've owned 
> I would be hurting after a ride that long. I credit the relaxed position. 
> It invites one to unwind, take in the sights, and see where those side 
> trails lead to.
>

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[RBW] 59 CM Roadeo for sale

[Don Compton]

I am selling my red Roadeo. 59CM, equipped with Shimano Ultegra 11sp group. 
Williams wheelset with Hutchinson Secteur tubless tires( a tube can easily 
added if you're uncomfortable with tubeless). Nitto stem and seat post, 
Soma Highway One handlebar. No saddle or pedals. No dents, a few paint 
chips , normal wear. Please email for pics. $1600 net to me.

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[RBW] Re: St. Joe's, MI to Chicago route

[Scott Marriott]

I've ridden this way several times to Three Oaks, MI for the Apple Cider 
Century. It is a great route until you hit Michigan. (There is a 1/2 mile 
or so transition in Michigan City from the Dunes Trail that is not great.)

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:18:34 AM UTC-5, djm323 wrote:
>
> Ive ridden this route and it is quite pleasant if you go south of Gary and 
> take the Erie Lackawanna, Oak Savannah, and Prairie Duneland trails.  US 
> Bike Route 35 is a good route (and well-marked) along the lake in SW 
> Michigan except for a few busy miles than can be detoured.  Let me know if 
> you want a detailed route.
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2020-04-20 at 12.57.48 AM.png]
>
> Dan
> Chicagaux • USA
>

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[RBW] Introduction with ulterior motive

[JP]

Hello I’m JP.  I was at The Concord Willows REI 10 years ago and a person had a 
shirt that said “Rivendell lugged bikes” on it or something.   I did an 
internet search when I got home and was converted by the wisdom immediately.  
Took a lunch trip over to the shop and met Kevin, eventually created a “bike 
tree” of about 9 bikes with my own evangelizing.  With my Sam being #2 after 
getting my dad to buy a homer.  

Fast forward to today and I’ve since changed jobs houses and had more kids.  

Where I’ve moved has a relatively steep hill that had put me off riding for a 
while.  My Sam has a double crank with road bike oriented size rings that was 
great until I moved. 
But with the help of a car rack and covid 19 I’ve stared again. 

I’m bummed I missed the 2018 Rivendell stress as I would have helped a bit.  I 
was having some work stress then too and missed it. 

Anyway thinking of selling my Sam and Will@rbw said to look on here.  

Really excited to be riding again in any case!

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[RBW] Re: Replace headset on Clem? Cabin fever?

[Christopher Cote]

My two cents (or more):

Don't replace the headset if it's working fine. If you must, I've had 
pretty good success with the threaded-rod-plus-washers DIY solution. You 
need to be very cautious when the cups first start to seat, make sure 
they're going in straight. But it works. I bought a cup remover ages ago, 
and it was well worth the cost. Chiseling out the old cups with a 
screwdriver is no good.

I have no experience with this particular tool, but for $60, it looks worth 
a try:

https://www.jensonusa.com/Foundation-Headset-Press-Tool-For-1-and-1-18-Headsets

Finally, did you intentionally put the shifter mount facing forwards like 
that? Seems like it would work better flipped over 180 degrees so that the 
shifter is behind the steerer axis. Or does the cable hit the frame when 
you turn the front wheel if it's mounted like that? Is that a shifter mount 
for 1-1/8" steerers? Do they have a mount that clamps on 22.2mm stems?

Chris


On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 11:40:27 AM UTC-4, David B wrote:
>
> Maybe I'm just getting into bike projects that aren't necessary 
> whatsoever, but I'm interested in swapping up a couple things on my bikes.
> I've never replaced a headset before, but I'm contemplating upgrading the 
> rinko-style cups that my Clem and wife's Clementine came with for something 
> swankier. 
>
> Questions:
> Is this crazy? The current headsets function fine, purely cosmetic.
> Is this worth it to me to buy the proper tools? I likely won't have a need 
> to change headset aside from these two bikes. Some sort of diy tools?
> Or should I just let my LBS take care of this?
>
> The main reason I'm thinking about this is I added a Silver2 shifter/mount 
> as a headset spacer (works great) and the wider headset cup looks out of 
> place now that everything's a bit cluttered.
> Photo here: https://www.instagram.com/p/B-99voyFx5D/
>
> Thoughts/ideas/suggestions welcome!
> David
>

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[RBW] Re: Replace headset on Clem? Cabin fever?

[lconley]

I am also busier than normal while working from home. The new custom frame 
hangs on the wall mocking me.

I finally bought professional headset installation and removal tools over 
the past couple years - Park and Efficient Velo Tools. The culprit was the 
IRD 1-1/8 threadless double roller bearing headset - dummying it up off the 
bike is deceptive if you have never seen one before. The trusted LBS took a 
couple of trips by me to show him how to install it correctly. Then I 
needed another one installed while he was on vacation; I tried another LBS 
and they installed the headset upside down. I have lost the patience to 
use my threaded rod, hammer and punches. I had the money (or credit) and 
decided it was time to bite the bullet and get the proper tools. I will be 
installing another IRD 1-1/8 threadless double roller bearing headset on 
the GBW whenever it arrives and retrofitting the Hubbuhubbuh.

I installed a 1" Tange/IRD NeedL BlastR on my Custom with the new tools. 
Life is better with the proper tools. If you can afford them, you will not 
regret buying them.

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:11:08 AM UTC-4, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> I've also considered Clem headset replacement!  Mostly to move the rinko 
> style cups onto another project frame which may have more rinko-like 
> adaptability and use a new spare Tange headset on the Clem.  Unfortunately, 
> this is unlikely to occur anytime soon with my general lack 
> of spare time... even during quarantine I'm finding I have little extra 
> time for projects.  It's weird how this has impacted so many people so 
> differently.  I'm extremely fortunate to still be working but work is 
> keeping me busier than ever without even leaving home and it's been a 
> struggle to maintain work/life balance lately.  I need some cabin fever 
> projects but can't seem to get to them.  This reply itself is a much needed 
> distraction from both work and home.
>
> I've only done a few DIY headset installs and found the threaded 
> rod/nuts/washers press has served me well as long as I go slowly and press 
> one cup at a time... but I eventually added the following tools to my bike 
> toolbox:
>
> Headset cup remover! - after multiple frustrating attempts at DIY cup 
> removals (brass rod, flathead screw driver, etc.) I finally ordered one of 
> these and it's entirely worth it... takes a single whack or two with a 
> mallet per cup and keeps your cups intact - good trick I learned (Sheldon, 
> maybe?) is to use a rag and rubber band around the headtube to catch your 
> cups so they don't fall onto the hard floor and risk damage.
>
> Crown race setter - I went with the Park Tool version which has a few 
> inserts for 1" and 1-1/8"
>
> Crown race puller - forget the model and it's ok but finally got one after 
> struggling with a particular crown race and fork which left little room for 
> any other kind of punch.
>
> All of these were eventually acquired over time along with several other 
> bike specific tools and after finally deciding to undertake relatively 
> simple tasks on my own following some highly unsatisfactory LBS services... 
> not one particular occasion but more of a series of occasions at 
> multiple local shops which just left me with a bitter taste and lack of 
> confidence with levels of service and communication and/or a general lack 
> of interest in some of my particular projects which I think further 
> promoted the poor attention to details and lack of quality service and 
> communication.  It's funny, but after a few particular botched jobs or 
> non-existent communication I later found myself testing out different shops 
> in the area with small individual services to vet them for potentially 
> bigger jobs.  Several failed at even communicating their completion of a 
> job which I found even more frustrating and they lost out on more business.
>
> If you have any inclination for future headset replacements or have run 
> into a situation where it has stalled potential projects I'd strongly 
> encourage you to consider adding a few of the basic headset tools to your 
> box.  It's entirely worth it considering the time it saves if/when you are 
> able to do the rest of the build yourself. 
>
> If not and this is likely a one time job and you have a good LBS then I'd 
> recommend letting the LBS do it rather than potentially damage your headset 
> during a botched removal like I have. 
>
> Best wishes and good luck!
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrence NJ
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Replace headset on Clem? Cabin fever?

[masmojo]

I have all the necessary tools now, but I'd been knocking bearing cups out with 
drift punches or long socket extension for 40 years before that & pressing them 
in with a variety of bogged together tools; most commonly a huge C clamp and 
blocks of wood! LOL That's what happens when your 9 and you have free reign 
over the tools in your dad's garage.
I think if I had a rinko headset I'd be inclined to keep it unless you thought 
it was a feature you'd likely never use; then I'd go with something lighter. 

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[RBW] Re: 650b tires for 47 cm Roadini

[Jim S.]

Thanks all for all this information. This board is great.

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:09:55 AM UTC-5, Erik Wright wrote:
>
> I seem to remember reading that the 47 Roadini was designed with bigger 
> clearances in mind because tire availability in 650x32-35 is pretty slim, 
> whereas 650x38-42 is much easier to find.

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[RBW] Re: Replace headset on Clem? Cabin fever?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I've also considered Clem headset replacement!  Mostly to move the rinko 
style cups onto another project frame which may have more rinko-like 
adaptability and use a new spare Tange headset on the Clem.  Unfortunately, 
this is unlikely to occur anytime soon with my general lack 
of spare time... even during quarantine I'm finding I have little extra 
time for projects.  It's weird how this has impacted so many people so 
differently.  I'm extremely fortunate to still be working but work is 
keeping me busier than ever without even leaving home and it's been a 
struggle to maintain work/life balance lately.  I need some cabin fever 
projects but can't seem to get to them.  This reply itself is a much needed 
distraction from both work and home.

I've only done a few DIY headset installs and found the threaded 
rod/nuts/washers press has served me well as long as I go slowly and press 
one cup at a time... but I eventually added the following tools to my bike 
toolbox:

Headset cup remover! - after multiple frustrating attempts at DIY cup 
removals (brass rod, flathead screw driver, etc.) I finally ordered one of 
these and it's entirely worth it... takes a single whack or two with a 
mallet per cup and keeps your cups intact - good trick I learned (Sheldon, 
maybe?) is to use a rag and rubber band around the headtube to catch your 
cups so they don't fall onto the hard floor and risk damage.

Crown race setter - I went with the Park Tool version which has a few 
inserts for 1" and 1-1/8"

Crown race puller - forget the model and it's ok but finally got one after 
struggling with a particular crown race and fork which left little room for 
any other kind of punch.

All of these were eventually acquired over time along with several other 
bike specific tools and after finally deciding to undertake relatively 
simple tasks on my own following some highly unsatisfactory LBS services... 
not one particular occasion but more of a series of occasions at 
multiple local shops which just left me with a bitter taste and lack of 
confidence with levels of service and communication and/or a general lack 
of interest in some of my particular projects which I think further 
promoted the poor attention to details and lack of quality service and 
communication.  It's funny, but after a few particular botched jobs or 
non-existent communication I later found myself testing out different shops 
in the area with small individual services to vet them for potentially 
bigger jobs.  Several failed at even communicating their completion of a 
job which I found even more frustrating and they lost out on more business.

If you have any inclination for future headset replacements or have run 
into a situation where it has stalled potential projects I'd strongly 
encourage you to consider adding a few of the basic headset tools to your 
box.  It's entirely worth it considering the time it saves if/when you are 
able to do the rest of the build yourself. 

If not and this is likely a one time job and you have a good LBS then I'd 
recommend letting the LBS do it rather than potentially damage your headset 
during a botched removal like I have. 

Best wishes and good luck!

Brian Cole
Lawrence NJ

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 11:40:27 AM UTC-4, David B wrote:

> Maybe I'm just getting into bike projects that aren't necessary 
> whatsoever, but I'm interested in swapping up a couple things on my bikes.
> I've never replaced a headset before, but I'm contemplating upgrading the 
> rinko-style cups that my Clem and wife's Clementine came with for something 
> swankier. 
>
> Questions:
> Is this crazy? The current headsets function fine, purely cosmetic.
> Is this worth it to me to buy the proper tools? I likely won't have a need 
> to change headset aside from these two bikes. Some sort of diy tools?
> Or should I just let my LBS take care of this?
>
> The main reason I'm thinking about this is I added a Silver2 shifter/mount 
> as a headset spacer (works great) and the wider headset cup looks out of 
> place now that everything's a bit cluttered.
> Photo here: https://www.instagram.com/p/B-99voyFx5D/
>
> Thoughts/ideas/suggestions welcome!
> David
>

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[RBW] 650b tires for 47 cm Roadini

[Erik Wright]

I seem to remember reading that the 47 Roadini was designed with bigger 
clearances in mind because tire availability in 650x32-35 is pretty slim, 
whereas 650x38-42 is much easier to find.

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[RBW] Re: 30 Days of Biking!

[Melanie]

I can't believe you have a matching bag and garage door!

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 7:21:56 PM UTC-4, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>
> And like THAT, it's done!
>
> Took Ride number 9, for 9 miles yesterday to Forest Park and back.  Didn't 
> take a picture. But today, all the pieces came together in the form of a 
> rare proto-type Blue Trunksack from Rivendell World HQ.  Vince dug one up 
> last week when I called, and it's just what I had in mind.  So it's finally 
> all together (fender back on too!) and I love every inch of this bike!
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=199q5lnn5pLher40ZrM9EB_JZQ_XcZT7T
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2 Continetal Gatorskin 700x28 tires

[RDS]

Yes, the other items are for sale on a different thread.

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[RBW] Re: FS - Handlebars (basement cleanout of older handlebars)

[RDS]

Below is what is left for sale

Basement cleanout of older handlebars.  All of the below ships from Georgia 
> zipcode 30040.  Pics at 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fa0woQ5CT1ZrVdPOsqz0iJ7KvAlYtxj8
>
>  
>
> *Ritchey Logic II WCS* Drop Handlebar.  31.8 clamp.  44cm wide.  82 
> reach.  142 drop.  Price: $5 + shipping cost.
>
>  
>
> *Profile Design 1/Twenty* Drop Handlebar.  31.8 clamp.  44 wide.  Reach 
> 75.  Drop 137.  $5 + shipping cost
>
>  
>
> *Salsa Salt Flat 3* handlebar.  31.8 clamp.  11 degree bend.  700mm 
> wide.  Price: $5 + shipping cost.
>
>  
>
> *Salsa MotoAce* handlebar.  66cm wide.  Clamp 25.4.  Price: $5 + shipping 
> cost.
>
>  
>
> *Salsa ProMoto* Handlebar.  68cm wide.  31.8 clamp.  Price: $5 + shipping 
> cost
>
>
>

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[RBW] 30 Days of Biking!

[Roberta]

Paul in Dallas - I hope you go back to the Avenue of magnolias for another 
photo op when the are all in bloom. That must be magnificent.  Or, are we past 
that this year?  Also, what is the saddle on your Schwinn? 

Nathan - your enthusiasm is infectious! Love the blue trunk sack with the 
orange.

Brian lives near me.  I'm looking forward to seeing his beautiful Legolas in 
person one day.  I love the picture of your bike with the other greenery.

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[RBW] 650b tires for 47 cm Roadini

[Fullylugged]

The Continental Contact Speed is available as 650B x 32.  Blackwall only. 
(English supply)  Hutchison Confriere is also 650B x 32 and has a gray sidewall 
(French sellers).  Grand Bois Cypres 650B x 32 is available with a tan wall.  
(from Japan or from Berthoud).   You can also ask on the 650B list and hunt 
Craigs or Ebay lists. 

Soma B-Line (or Express if you find some around) all are listed as 38 but run 
36 on my bike.  Instead of Nifty Swifty, which has wire bead, you might see if 
you can get Maxy Fasty with fevlar.  It's 33.4 mmm Tan sidewalls.

Bruce (26" & 650B only!)in Alabama

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[RBW] 650b tires for 47 cm Roadini

[Joe Bernard]

Eric, does 650B have much larger clearances than the 700C Roadinis? The 50cm 
listed for sale elsewhere on this forum shows Jack Brown 33s without a whole 
lotta room left over, certainly not for 43. I used that same tire on my 53cm 
frame and remember not having a ton of clearance left, either. Side-to-side 
maybe, but not upwards to a Tektro caliper brake. 

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