[RBW] Cheviot at Community Cycles in CO

[luckyturnip]

Whilst perusing the internet I saw a large Cheviot in the inventory at 
Community Cycles in Boulder, CO.

https://communitycycles.org/bike-shop/used-bikes-for-sale/

No affiliation or idea if it’s still there. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Nathan F]

Just to put the final nail in the Platypus tire clearance debate's coffin: 
I'm running the same 2.2" tires as Ray Varella, tubeless, and they fit 
great with plenty of mud clearance. I'm not going to take a picture, you'll 
just have to believe us! Those Herse tires are the perfect Platypus tires 
for mixed surface riding. 

Personally, I'd only get a Gus / Susie if I absolutely *needed* a big MTB 
tire. That would be riding trails, and by that I mean single track, not 
unpaved paths and gravel roads, 95% of the time. 

If you'd only like a 2.2" max, get a Platypus or a Clem!

Nathan in pdx 
On Sunday, 12 December 2021 at 18:22:22 UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> Oh, boy, am I enjoying this thread.   Laura, our stories are similar and I 
> was in your position just 4 1/2 years ago.  We are the same age.  Feel free 
> to jump to executive summary, for those of you who know my story.
>
> Background:
> In HS, I bought a bike in '75 or so (perhaps the same model that you 
> bought) and rode that happily, except for the frequency of flat tires, 
> until it got stolen in 1990.  Then I bought a Specialized Hard Rock, a 
> mountain bike with wider tires.   It was perfect for the poorly maintained 
> streets of the city,  and I rode that for 30 years until I finally admitted 
> to myself that although I liked riding, I didn't love riding that mountain 
> bike as a road bike.   The search was on and I found Rivendell and this 
> group.
>
> I had no preconceptions of which Riv I wanted.  I tested a Cheviot, a Sam 
> Hillborne, an Atlantis.  I asked the people on the list.   Someone 
> suggested the Joe Appaloosa, which is what I eventually bought and rode 
> with dizzying happiness for 3 1/2 years.  That was an investment that 
> bought me more joy than I imagined.
>
> I bought an used A Homer Hilsen to keep at my office so I could ride the 
> Joe A at home on the weekends and the AHH during the week at work.  I was 
> in cycling heaven.
>
> Then, the Platypus happened.  I wanted a step thru for my retirement bike 
> a few years into the future.   I heeded the groups advice:  If you see a 
> bike you want, buy it, because there is no guarantee it will be available 
> when your time frame comes.
>
> As much as I loved the Joe A, that was the one I sold because I never rode 
> the trails or did touring that would make its ride shine the most--I ride 
> MUPS and paved trails mostly.
>
> Executive Summary:
> Buy the bike you really want for the job you want to use it for, when the 
> bike is available.  Listen to your heart.
>
> I bought the Platy because it was available "today,"  even though my time 
> frame was three years out.  I put 43cm barely aggressive tires on my Platy, 
> because I see it as a sleek road bike, but if I want to rode on dirt packed 
> paths, I can. (AHH has Gravel King slicks.)   If you want a mostly road 
> bike that can go onto packed paths, a Platy with wider 48-50's) more 
> aggressive tires will fit the bill.  If you want more of a bike that goes 
> on unpaved paths mostly, get the Suzie. 
>
> Not unimportant, you'll be able to buy a Suzie years before Platys might 
> be back in stock.   Whatever Riv's good intentions for promise dates are, 
> much is out of their control.  I think I waited about 9 months past the 
> expected due date of my Platy.I see the Suzie/Platy as very 
> complimentary bikes, much more so than my AHH/Platy.  BTW, if you want one 
> bike and don't mind a diamond frame, I think the Joe Appaloosa is worth 
> considering.
>
> Here's the good news:  With Rivendells, there isn't a bad choice.  You 
> could sell a bike that no longer fits your needs and sometimes get lucky on 
> a used one someone else is selling.  
>
> I look forward to seeing pictures of you and your bike when you get it.
>
> Roberta
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:43:12 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I did use the word “should” which are fighting words! Yes, I was 
>> describing a very non-Susie bike. For that, I stand corrected. But, I am 
>> someone that longed for a Susie for months only to pass on a purchase. It 
>> is impossible to play mental gymnastics without visualizing the bike I 
>> would want to buy… I seem to want Clem and Susie to get together and have a 
>> kid!
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:12:10 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Well Laura, In the art of communication I swear it's miracle we 
>>> understand anything at all about anyone and anything !  Hence, I find the 
>>> idea that we *ought. should, could or would  *know just the perfect 
>>> thing to say at all times, "or else" we either play the part of the 
>>> mis-understand-er or the mis-understood. It's akin to darned if you do and 
>>> darned if you don't . where *you're darned no matter what you say 
>>> or do* seems the standard bearer. Well that's just silly, it's no 
>>> standard at all ! 
>>>
>>> My comment was about the nature of the Susie design to begin with in 
>>> response to musing about the Susie being 

[RBW] Re: hanging bikes on the wall

[Minh]

wow roberta, how high is the top tube on the hilsen(?), still that seems 
like a strong squat to lift that bike up.   

thanks to all the suggestions, those are all the options i've investigated, 
but its the lifting part that worries me.  i'll have to test lift to see 
how well i can handle it.  


On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 11:51:36 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Hi, Minh.
>
> I have two racks.  One is in my living room (see pic, a Craigslist 
> purchase), the other in my Breezeway.  The rack in the breezeway is a Delta 
> "lean on the wall" model.  Not as secure, but also the feet don't stick out 
> as much, so less tripping hazard as I walk (slink) by.  Also, I keep the 
> bottom bike on the floor for both racks.
>
> For living room rack, notice how top bike goes in opposite direction of 
> lower bike and the arm for the seat-end is higher than the arm of the 
> handlebar end?  That is so I don't have to lift it as high to get the top 
> tire to clear the bottom handlebar.  
>
> Also, it's a big help to keep the front tire from moving.  I use a John's 
> Irish strap to lash it to the down tube.  When lifting , I go as low as I 
> can on the down tube and seat tube.  I lift it in a different part of the 
> living room, usually just back a few feet (where I have more room to wobble 
> it around) and then walk it up and to the rack.
>
> In the breezeway, a step-stool helps because I don't have as much 
> working-room.  I also use a step stool in the LR when I'm feeling 
> especially tired.
>
> To make lifting easier, I also remove the bags and water bottles, which 
> saves a few pounds.   Who needs a gym?  
>
> Roberta
>
> On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 4:38:37 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>
>> hi all, hope everyone is adjusting to winter, at least for us in the 
>> northeast! 
>> as its getting colder, i'm dealing with some bike maint. and one of them 
>> is solving the bike storage for my lone QB.  i've settled on hanging on the 
>> wall, but next challenge, how do people lift the bike up high enough?  
>> currently i can only get it up to about chest high, any tricks to get 
>> higher?  step ladder? 
>>
>> this is inside our apt, so i can't ropes over the rafters.   
>>
>> would appreciate any other ideas people have, only constraint is that i'd 
>> like to get it off the floor, and it needs to hang parallel to the wall--so 
>> no hanging by front wheel.  thanks for any ideas!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Why did you buy your first Riv?

[dougP]

PS:  The first time I laid eyes on a Rivendell was when I unboxed my 
Atlantis.  They seemed like nice people that knew what they were doing.  30 
minutes out of the box & I was on the road.  Within a few miles, I was 
blown away at how nicely the bike rode.  

PPS: About 10 years ago, a 47cm Atlantis popped up on CL.  I insisted we go 
look at it, although my wife was perfectly happy with her Trek 1420.  She 
went along just to humor me.  She rode the bike for 5 minutes in a parking 
lot, came back to the car & said "I have to have this bike".  

dougP

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:26:33 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:

> I was looking for a serious touring bike but the offerings from Trek, 
> Specialized, etc., were all going to require some change to meet my 
> desires.  Then I read a road test in Bikecentennial (now Adventure Cycling) 
> by John Schubert.  His bottom line was if you wanted a serious touring bike 
> that you didn't have to fiddle with, the Atlantis was it.  Rivendell proved 
> to be so helpful in specing parts that I wanted that it was a simple 
> choice.  20 years ago, the premium for an Atlantis vs a Trek 520 was was 
> only a few hundred dollars & I was buying the bike to ride forever (my 
> forever; the bike will outlast me).  20 years later & thousands of touring 
> miles show I made the right choice.  
>
> I did know what a lug was but only because I thought that's how all bikes 
> were joined.  But then it had been 20 years since I'd bought my previous 
> bike.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:06:08 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Funny, I just responded to Laura's thread and put my story in there.
>>
>> Steel frame
>> Rim brakes
>> Upright riding habit
>>
>> I was riding a 1990 Specialized Hard Rock mountain bike that I liked but 
>> didn't love any longer and wanted something more comfortable.  I knew I 
>> wanted upright riding habit to alleviate my neck pain and rim brakes.  I 
>> tested every bike in my city that fit my on-paper requirements.  After a 
>> dozen rides, I realized I liked the ride of steel framed bikes (including 
>> my current Hard Rock) over aluminum.  I couldn't understand the value of 
>> complex disk brakes on a simple road bike.
>>
>> Next came internet searches for steel framed bikes.  I then read a forum 
>> Q and the group agreed that the Betty Foy was the best bike ever made. 
>> Who is this Betty Foy?  Eventually it lead me to this group and Rivendell.  
>> I had never heard of Grant, Rivendell, XO-1 or Bridgestone before.  I read 
>> everything I could about Rivendell on the internet, their website and this 
>> forum.  I devoured "Just Ride."   Our philosophies jived. I found my 
>> "people."  I am so grateful.
>>
>> I called Rivendell and spoke with Grant, who at the time I had no idea 
>> who is was, but he was so nice and informative. 
>>
>> Also, and this is important, I was able to drive to a dealer and test 
>> ride many Riv models, not just see frames and geometry charts.  This was 
>> BIG for me, as a non bike-knowledgeable person, whose most expensive bike 
>> purchase was $300. Yes, I was now willing to spend more on this one bike 
>> than all my bike purchases put together for my entire lifetime.   Riding my 
>> Rivs have made me so happy.
>>
>> BTW, I had no idea was a lug was until this group.
>>
>> Roberta
>> ex-Joe Appaloosa
>> current AHHilsen
>> current Platy
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:53:10 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline 
>>> with 15 Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask:
>>>
>>> What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle?
>>>
>>> Not “What do you like about Rivendell bicycles”, or “Why did you buy a 
>>> second one?”, but why did you buy your first?
>>>
>>>
>>> In my case
>>> I wanted steel, because I liked the feel over aluminum (carbon was just 
>>> starting).
>>> I wanted lugged steel, because I think I think a lugged steel bike is 
>>> awesomely pretty.
>>> I got to ride a friend’s Sam Hillborne in 2010, and it fit like a glove, 
>>> and I remembered that.
>>> So when I retired in 2014, I bought a Sam.
>>>
>>> Now I could go on about how I love my Sam, but that’s not the point of 
>>> this.  It’s to find out why you bought your first.
>>>
>>> Did you Google “Rivendell” one day and stumble into the bicycle shop 
>>> instead of the Tolkien book?
>>> Did you want a bicycle that was at home on dirt roads, where the 24mm 
>>> tires of a good used 80’s road bike just couldn’t cut it?
>>> Do you think Grant Petersen is a bicycle god, and you’d buy anything 
>>> that he designs, once you could afford it?
>>> Are you into the “waxed canvas and square taper” kind of mindset?  
>>> Did you get a Riv because it was a boutique bike, or in spite of that?
>>>
>>> Difficulty- no pictures, unless it is of a Riv in a tree with “A guy 
>>> told me I could have this for free, if I climbed up and got it”.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Why did you buy your first Riv?

[dougP]

I was looking for a serious touring bike but the offerings from Trek, 
Specialized, etc., were all going to require some change to meet my 
desires.  Then I read a road test in Bikecentennial (now Adventure Cycling) 
by John Schubert.  His bottom line was if you wanted a serious touring bike 
that you didn't have to fiddle with, the Atlantis was it.  Rivendell proved 
to be so helpful in specing parts that I wanted that it was a simple 
choice.  20 years ago, the premium for an Atlantis vs a Trek 520 was was 
only a few hundred dollars & I was buying the bike to ride forever (my 
forever; the bike will outlast me).  20 years later & thousands of touring 
miles show I made the right choice.  

I did know what a lug was but only because I thought that's how all bikes 
were joined.  But then it had been 20 years since I'd bought my previous 
bike.  

dougP

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:06:08 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> Funny, I just responded to Laura's thread and put my story in there.
>
> Steel frame
> Rim brakes
> Upright riding habit
>
> I was riding a 1990 Specialized Hard Rock mountain bike that I liked but 
> didn't love any longer and wanted something more comfortable.  I knew I 
> wanted upright riding habit to alleviate my neck pain and rim brakes.  I 
> tested every bike in my city that fit my on-paper requirements.  After a 
> dozen rides, I realized I liked the ride of steel framed bikes (including 
> my current Hard Rock) over aluminum.  I couldn't understand the value of 
> complex disk brakes on a simple road bike.
>
> Next came internet searches for steel framed bikes.  I then read a forum 
> Q and the group agreed that the Betty Foy was the best bike ever made. 
> Who is this Betty Foy?  Eventually it lead me to this group and Rivendell.  
> I had never heard of Grant, Rivendell, XO-1 or Bridgestone before.  I read 
> everything I could about Rivendell on the internet, their website and this 
> forum.  I devoured "Just Ride."   Our philosophies jived. I found my 
> "people."  I am so grateful.
>
> I called Rivendell and spoke with Grant, who at the time I had no idea who 
> is was, but he was so nice and informative. 
>
> Also, and this is important, I was able to drive to a dealer and test ride 
> many Riv models, not just see frames and geometry charts.  This was BIG for 
> me, as a non bike-knowledgeable person, whose most expensive bike purchase 
> was $300. Yes, I was now willing to spend more on this one bike than all my 
> bike purchases put together for my entire lifetime.   Riding my Rivs have 
> made me so happy.
>
> BTW, I had no idea was a lug was until this group.
>
> Roberta
> ex-Joe Appaloosa
> current AHHilsen
> current Platy
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:53:10 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>>
>> I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline with 
>> 15 Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask:
>>
>> What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle?
>>
>> Not “What do you like about Rivendell bicycles”, or “Why did you buy a 
>> second one?”, but why did you buy your first?
>>
>>
>> In my case
>> I wanted steel, because I liked the feel over aluminum (carbon was just 
>> starting).
>> I wanted lugged steel, because I think I think a lugged steel bike is 
>> awesomely pretty.
>> I got to ride a friend’s Sam Hillborne in 2010, and it fit like a glove, 
>> and I remembered that.
>> So when I retired in 2014, I bought a Sam.
>>
>> Now I could go on about how I love my Sam, but that’s not the point of 
>> this.  It’s to find out why you bought your first.
>>
>> Did you Google “Rivendell” one day and stumble into the bicycle shop 
>> instead of the Tolkien book?
>> Did you want a bicycle that was at home on dirt roads, where the 24mm 
>> tires of a good used 80’s road bike just couldn’t cut it?
>> Do you think Grant Petersen is a bicycle god, and you’d buy anything that 
>> he designs, once you could afford it?
>> Are you into the “waxed canvas and square taper” kind of mindset?  
>> Did you get a Riv because it was a boutique bike, or in spite of that?
>>
>> Difficulty- no pictures, unless it is of a Riv in a tree with “A guy told 
>> me I could have this for free, if I climbed up and got it”.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Joe Bernard]

I remember that Bicycling review. "Will people interested in lugged steel 
frames and friction shifting pay for it?" 


On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:01:57 PM UTC-8 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I read a review of a Riv Road in Bicycling magazine in the late 90’s and 
> that review led me to research Rivendell bicycles. That research led me to 
> the BOB group which soon lead to a custom order for an All Rounder being 
> placed. 
>
> Grant made a lot of sense to me in his bike designs and philosophy and I 
> am definitely someone who values craftsmanship and buying something meant 
> to be used for a lifetime. 
>
> Since then I have had a Rambouillet and currently also have a Hubbuhubbuh 
> tandem. The newer Riv offerings don’t do much for me. I am considering 
> picking up a “fast” road bike at some point and a Roadeo is one of the 
> candidates. That is one current model that I do like.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2021, at 12:53 PM, aeroperf  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline with 
> 15 Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask:
>
> What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle?
>
> Not “What do you like about Rivendell bicycles”, or “Why did you buy a 
> second one?”, but why did you buy your first?
>
>
> In my case
> I wanted steel, because I liked the feel over aluminum (carbon was just 
> starting).
> I wanted lugged steel, because I think I think a lugged steel bike is 
> awesomely pretty.
> I got to ride a friend’s Sam Hillborne in 2010, and it fit like a glove, 
> and I remembered that.
> So when I retired in 2014, I bought a Sam.
>
> Now I could go on about how I love my Sam, but that’s not the point of 
> this.  It’s to find out why you bought your first.
>
> Did you Google “Rivendell” one day and stumble into the bicycle shop 
> instead of the Tolkien book?
> Did you want a bicycle that was at home on dirt roads, where the 24mm 
> tires of a good used 80’s road bike just couldn’t cut it?
> Do you think Grant Petersen is a bicycle god, and you’d buy anything that 
> he designs, once you could afford it?
> Are you into the “waxed canvas and square taper” kind of mindset?  
> Did you get a Riv because it was a boutique bike, or in spite of that?
>
> Difficulty- no pictures, unless it is of a Riv in a tree with “A guy told 
> me I could have this for free, if I climbed up and got it”.
>
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Re: [RBW] Show me some bikes with black components

[Peter Stock]

nothing is sexier than black 1st Gen Dura Ace.

and i have two bikes with this groupaet.

a Puch Vent Noir

https://photos.app.goo.gl/nY5DFS65ejufNYJ9A

and a Ron Spencer shop brand (probably Harry Quinn built)

https://photos.app.goo.gl/BOg1R7vxov0u9xin2

On Fri., Dec. 10, 2021, 11:39 a.m. Eric Marth,  wrote:

> I'm pretty sure that I dislike black components on bikes. Oh, I can handle
> a black derailer or some brakes, I guess. But all black stem, bars,
> seatpost, crank, etc is, I'm thinking, not my cup of tea. I'm more of a
> decaf espresso type.
>
> Any who — can anyone share with me pictures of nice builds with black
> components?
>
> With gratitude,
> Eric
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[RBW] Re: Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Roberta]

Funny, I just responded to Laura's thread and put my story in there.

Steel frame
Rim brakes
Upright riding habit

I was riding a 1990 Specialized Hard Rock mountain bike that I liked but 
didn't love any longer and wanted something more comfortable.  I knew I 
wanted upright riding habit to alleviate my neck pain and rim brakes.  I 
tested every bike in my city that fit my on-paper requirements.  After a 
dozen rides, I realized I liked the ride of steel framed bikes (including 
my current Hard Rock) over aluminum.  I couldn't understand the value of 
complex disk brakes on a simple road bike.

Next came internet searches for steel framed bikes.  I then read a forum 
Q and the group agreed that the Betty Foy was the best bike ever made. 
Who is this Betty Foy?  Eventually it lead me to this group and Rivendell.  
I had never heard of Grant, Rivendell, XO-1 or Bridgestone before.  I read 
everything I could about Rivendell on the internet, their website and this 
forum.  I devoured "Just Ride."   Our philosophies jived. I found my 
"people."  I am so grateful.

I called Rivendell and spoke with Grant, who at the time I had no idea who 
is was, but he was so nice and informative. 

Also, and this is important, I was able to drive to a dealer and test ride 
many Riv models, not just see frames and geometry charts.  This was BIG for 
me, as a non bike-knowledgeable person, whose most expensive bike purchase 
was $300. Yes, I was now willing to spend more on this one bike than all my 
bike purchases put together for my entire lifetime.   Riding my Rivs have 
made me so happy.

BTW, I had no idea was a lug was until this group.

Roberta
ex-Joe Appaloosa
current AHHilsen
current Platy

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:53:10 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

>
> I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline with 
> 15 Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask:
>
> What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle?
>
> Not “What do you like about Rivendell bicycles”, or “Why did you buy a 
> second one?”, but why did you buy your first?
>
>
> In my case
> I wanted steel, because I liked the feel over aluminum (carbon was just 
> starting).
> I wanted lugged steel, because I think I think a lugged steel bike is 
> awesomely pretty.
> I got to ride a friend’s Sam Hillborne in 2010, and it fit like a glove, 
> and I remembered that.
> So when I retired in 2014, I bought a Sam.
>
> Now I could go on about how I love my Sam, but that’s not the point of 
> this.  It’s to find out why you bought your first.
>
> Did you Google “Rivendell” one day and stumble into the bicycle shop 
> instead of the Tolkien book?
> Did you want a bicycle that was at home on dirt roads, where the 24mm 
> tires of a good used 80’s road bike just couldn’t cut it?
> Do you think Grant Petersen is a bicycle god, and you’d buy anything that 
> he designs, once you could afford it?
> Are you into the “waxed canvas and square taper” kind of mindset?  
> Did you get a Riv because it was a boutique bike, or in spite of that?
>
> Difficulty- no pictures, unless it is of a Riv in a tree with “A guy told 
> me I could have this for free, if I climbed up and got it”.
>

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Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

[rltilley]

I read a review of a Riv Road in Bicycling magazine in the late 90’s and that 
review led me to research Rivendell bicycles. That research led me to the BOB 
group which soon lead to a custom order for an All Rounder being placed. 

Grant made a lot of sense to me in his bike designs and philosophy and I am 
definitely someone who values craftsmanship and buying something meant to be 
used for a lifetime. 

Since then I have had a Rambouillet and currently also have a Hubbuhubbuh 
tandem. The newer Riv offerings don’t do much for me. I am considering picking 
up a “fast” road bike at some point and a Roadeo is one of the candidates. That 
is one current model that I do like.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> On Dec 12, 2021, at 12:53 PM, aeroperf  wrote:
> 
> 
> I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline with 15 
> Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask:
> 
> What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle?
> 
> Not “What do you like about Rivendell bicycles”, or “Why did you buy a second 
> one?”, but why did you buy your first?
> 
> 
> In my case
> I wanted steel, because I liked the feel over aluminum (carbon was just 
> starting).
> I wanted lugged steel, because I think I think a lugged steel bike is 
> awesomely pretty.
> I got to ride a friend’s Sam Hillborne in 2010, and it fit like a glove, and 
> I remembered that.
> So when I retired in 2014, I bought a Sam.
> 
> Now I could go on about how I love my Sam, but that’s not the point of this.  
> It’s to find out why you bought your first.
> 
> Did you Google “Rivendell” one day and stumble into the bicycle shop instead 
> of the Tolkien book?
> Did you want a bicycle that was at home on dirt roads, where the 24mm tires 
> of a good used 80’s road bike just couldn’t cut it?
> Do you think Grant Petersen is a bicycle god, and you’d buy anything that he 
> designs, once you could afford it?
> Are you into the “waxed canvas and square taper” kind of mindset?  
> Did you get a Riv because it was a boutique bike, or in spite of that?
> 
> Difficulty- no pictures, unless it is of a Riv in a tree with “A guy told me 
> I could have this for free, if I climbed up and got it”.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Roberta]

Oh, boy, am I enjoying this thread.   Laura, our stories are similar and I 
was in your position just 4 1/2 years ago.  We are the same age.  Feel free 
to jump to executive summary, for those of you who know my story.

Background:
In HS, I bought a bike in '75 or so (perhaps the same model that you 
bought) and rode that happily, except for the frequency of flat tires, 
until it got stolen in 1990.  Then I bought a Specialized Hard Rock, a 
mountain bike with wider tires.   It was perfect for the poorly maintained 
streets of the city,  and I rode that for 30 years until I finally admitted 
to myself that although I liked riding, I didn't love riding that mountain 
bike as a road bike.   The search was on and I found Rivendell and this 
group.

I had no preconceptions of which Riv I wanted.  I tested a Cheviot, a Sam 
Hillborne, an Atlantis.  I asked the people on the list.   Someone 
suggested the Joe Appaloosa, which is what I eventually bought and rode 
with dizzying happiness for 3 1/2 years.  That was an investment that 
bought me more joy than I imagined.

I bought an used A Homer Hilsen to keep at my office so I could ride the 
Joe A at home on the weekends and the AHH during the week at work.  I was 
in cycling heaven.

Then, the Platypus happened.  I wanted a step thru for my retirement bike a 
few years into the future.   I heeded the groups advice:  If you see a bike 
you want, buy it, because there is no guarantee it will be available when 
your time frame comes.

As much as I loved the Joe A, that was the one I sold because I never rode 
the trails or did touring that would make its ride shine the most--I ride 
MUPS and paved trails mostly.

Executive Summary:
Buy the bike you really want for the job you want to use it for, when the 
bike is available.  Listen to your heart.

I bought the Platy because it was available "today,"  even though my time 
frame was three years out.  I put 43cm barely aggressive tires on my Platy, 
because I see it as a sleek road bike, but if I want to rode on dirt packed 
paths, I can. (AHH has Gravel King slicks.)   If you want a mostly road 
bike that can go onto packed paths, a Platy with wider 48-50's) more 
aggressive tires will fit the bill.  If you want more of a bike that goes 
on unpaved paths mostly, get the Suzie. 

Not unimportant, you'll be able to buy a Suzie years before Platys might be 
back in stock.   Whatever Riv's good intentions for promise dates are, much 
is out of their control.  I think I waited about 9 months past the expected 
due date of my Platy.I see the Suzie/Platy as very complimentary bikes, 
much more so than my AHH/Platy.  BTW, if you want one bike and don't mind a 
diamond frame, I think the Joe Appaloosa is worth considering.

Here's the good news:  With Rivendells, there isn't a bad choice.  You 
could sell a bike that no longer fits your needs and sometimes get lucky on 
a used one someone else is selling.  

I look forward to seeing pictures of you and your bike when you get it.

Roberta
On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:43:12 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> I did use the word “should” which are fighting words! Yes, I was 
> describing a very non-Susie bike. For that, I stand corrected. But, I am 
> someone that longed for a Susie for months only to pass on a purchase. It 
> is impossible to play mental gymnastics without visualizing the bike I 
> would want to buy… I seem to want Clem and Susie to get together and have a 
> kid!
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:12:10 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Well Laura, In the art of communication I swear it's miracle we 
>> understand anything at all about anyone and anything !  Hence, I find the 
>> idea that we *ought. should, could or would  *know just the perfect 
>> thing to say at all times, "or else" we either play the part of the 
>> mis-understand-er or the mis-understood. It's akin to darned if you do and 
>> darned if you don't . where *you're darned no matter what you say or 
>> do* seems the standard bearer. Well that's just silly, it's no standard 
>> at all ! 
>>
>> My comment was about the nature of the Susie design to begin with in 
>> response to musing about the Susie being a step-thru. That's all. It was no 
>> "attack" for goodness sake as Joe assumes. My comment about Riv buyers not 
>> getting what they want for a certain stock price was not a personal 
>> pointing at you rather a generalized comment that I've seen it many times. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:37:55 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
>>> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
>>> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
>>> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
>>> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
>>> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my 

[RBW] Re: Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Berkeleyan]

Why? Because I had an insurance settlement from getting doored in west 
Berkeley, and I had a RBW catalogue in hand, having previously bought 
Moustache Bars for my Novara XR "cross" bike from REI. I wrote to Grant, 
and we settled on a 65cm LongLow frame. He took in all my specs, and the 
frame was built by Joe Stark. Painted by Joe Bell. This was 1998... I built 
it up with M-bars, Shimao 105 shifting components, Phil bottom bracket & 
rear hub, half-step + granny mated to a Sachs six-speed freewheel, and 
Sunracer rims. I was delighted beyond belief at the fit of the bike, 
perfectly matching my legs, arms. The reach to the bars was excellent, and 
it was fun & fast, no compromises at all.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-vj9MScf/0/L/i-vj9MScf-L.jpg

It still rides strong, only changes have been to mini-vee brakes, drop 
bars, and thin Gripster pedals.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Garth]

((   (   (   Laughing with delight on the brink of meaning . at 
least of the human variety !  )  )   )   )  

I do find the quote hilarious and am in no way oh-fended at all by your use 
of it ! I cannot disagree with it.   I'm sure you can relate in *some* way 
lest the phrase even come to your remembrance in the first place. 



On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:54:20 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> "He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."
>
> Sorry, Garth, couldn't resist, just yanking your chain; and I do read your 
> posts instead of deleting them with the huge swathes of posts I delete from 
> all lists every day.
>
> Back to regular programming.
>
> (The text is from Dr. Johnson reviewing some novelist.)
>
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 1:12 PM Garth  wrote:
>
>> Well Laura, In the art of communication I swear it's miracle we 
>> understand anything at all about anyone and anything !  Hence, I find the 
>> idea that we *ought. should, could or would  *know just the perfect 
>> thing to say at all times, "or else" we either play the part of the 
>> mis-understand-er or the mis-understood. It's akin to darned if you do and 
>> darned if you don't . where *you're darned no matter what you say or 
>> do* seems the standard bearer. Well that's just silly, it's no standard 
>> at all ! 
>>
>> My comment was about the nature of the Susie design to begin with in 
>> response to musing about the Susie being a step-thru. That's all. It was no 
>> "attack" for goodness sake as Joe assumes. My comment about Riv buyers not 
>> getting what they want for a certain stock price was not a personal 
>> pointing at you rather a generalized comment that I've seen it many times. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:37:55 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
>>> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
>>> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
>>> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
>>> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
>>> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and 
>>> lugged frames.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is 
 because they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and 
 a 
 threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
 bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
 price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
 criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
 seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen 
 it 
 countless times. 

 That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
 Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter 
 arranged 
 by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
 name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
 ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
 paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
 it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
 On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
> calculations, many factors have influenced me.
>
> Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
> making.
>
> In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
> differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment 
> Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a 
> lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with 
> hand-crafted goodness.
>
> I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. 
> Trying to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid 
> chaos.
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
>> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>>
>> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 
>> percent straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened 
>> to 
>> have the threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the 
>> extent 
>> that we couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, 
>> and 
>> we're getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and 

Re: [RBW] Re: Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Ben Mihovk]

A good friend of mine from high school and college told me in 2001 that if I 
ever bought a bike, it’d be a Rivendell. He told me I just seemed like a Riv 
guy. I did not even ride back then, but I remembered and thought that if I ever 
started riding, I’d look into Rivendell. 

I thought about getting into riding when I got my first teaching job in 2006. 
Sent an email to Riv with questions, and Jon was SO helpful and nice. I always 
remembered that, but ended up not getting into riding.

I got a cheap Linus in November of 2019 to see if I could be a bike person. 
Fell for it and immediately started dreaming about a Riv. In the summer of 
2020, I converted the Linus with albatross-ish bars, cork grips, and a friction 
thumbie to replace the trigger index shifter. Kept saving up and thinking about 
a Homer.

Called Rivendell in August 2020 to ask when they’d get more Homers, and talking 
with Vince he thought I’d dig an Atlantis as much or more…and they had one in 
stock. Vince (and Rich) were so nice/friendly/helpful. I bought the frame, 
Vince put together a build, and a mint later I was in Heaven. 

It’s the way the bikes look, the attitude behind the drsign, the people who 
work there…I have an Atlantis and now Sam. I’m not even tempted to buy a bike 
from any other company. Maybe I’m missing out, but I don’t care. 

Ben

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> On Dec 12, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Chris L  wrote:
> 
> My first adult bike was a 1995 Trek 730 Multitrack and I thought it was the 
> perfect bike for me, but as I learned more about bikes, I discovered I wanted 
> way more tire clearance (730 = 40mm, barely) and a much longer top-tube.  I 
> was a fan of quite a few smaller bike brands and wanted something 
> non-mainstream and something steel.  I already had a very good set of 700c 
> wheels, so the Hunqapillar was the only thing on the market that was what I 
> was looking for.  A few brands have put out models that were close, but all 
> suffered from too short a top tube, either being designed with drops in mind, 
> or trying to split the difference between drops and flat/alt bars.  I see 
> this is the only flaw in the original 56cm Atlantis, with it's 57 cm ETT.  If 
> that bike had a 60 or 61 cm ETT, it would have been my Grail bike.  I would 
> have invested in a second set of good wheels that one.
> 
> I also was very curious about the "riv ride" I had heard so much of, over the 
> years, so I the Hunqapillar being the sole candidate to fit my needs was a 
> nice bonus.
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 4:14:38 PM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:
>> I received an early flyer/reader in an order from American Cyclery San 
>> Francisco. 
>> After reading the specs on the frames, the Allrounder sounded like a great 
>> compliment to my classic road bike, by the time I ordered one they had gone 
>> to customs and the Atlantis was replacing the Allrounder. 
>> I went with a custom. It was one of the best handling bikes I’ve ever owned. 
>> I was bombing down Mt. Diablo one day and a couple guys on modern road bikes 
>> were trying to reel me in. 
>> When we got to the bottom of the mountain one of them said “you handle that 
>> old truck pretty well”. 
>> It still cracks me up to think about that. 
>> 
>> Grant and company design very nice riding bikes and really excel at the 
>> Allrounder style of bike. 
>> 
>> Ray
>> 
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 1:53:52 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> I was a Bridgestone guy, bought a leftover XO-3 in 1994 as Bstone USA was 
>>> folding and Grant was deciding what to do next. That turned out to be 
>>> Rivendell and I eventually bought this, a Romulus. 
>>> 
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> 
 On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:53:10 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:
 
 I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline with 
 15 Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask:
 
 What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle?
 
 Not “What do you like about Rivendell bicycles”, or “Why did you buy a 
 second one?”, but why did you buy your first?
 
 
 In my case
 I wanted steel, because I liked the feel over aluminum (carbon was just 
 starting).
 I wanted lugged steel, because I think I think a lugged steel bike is 
 awesomely pretty.
 I got to ride a friend’s Sam Hillborne in 2010, and it fit like a glove, 
 and I remembered that.
 So when I retired in 2014, I bought a Sam.
 
 Now I could go on about how I love my Sam, but that’s not the point of 
 this.  It’s to find out why you bought your first.
 
 Did you Google “Rivendell” one day and stumble into the bicycle shop 
 instead of the Tolkien book?
 Did you want a bicycle that was at home on dirt roads, where the 24mm 
 tires of a good used 80’s road bike just couldn’t cut it?
 Do you think Grant Petersen is a bicycle god, and you’d buy anything that 
 he designs, once you could afford it?
 Are you into the 

Re: [RBW] Show me some bikes with black components

[Jason Glenn]

Christ, 

I love the black and cream frame choice.  FWIW, I think David's Sam looks 
fantastic with the silver cranks -- are they Rene Herse? -- and the black 
rims.  

Jason in L.A.  

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 5:26:36 PM UTC-5 chris@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, Eric, for kicking off this thread and to everyone who responded! I 
> put down a deposit for a Roadeo over the summer and have decided to go with 
> black and cream for the frame. These images are really helping me visualize 
> my options when it comes to the build. 
>
> Pretty certain I’m going with Shimano components/brifters, but that 
> Shimano crank… not so hot to my eye. Hoping that if I go with it in black, 
> it may disappear a bit against the black of the frame. Thinking silver for 
> most everything else, except the brifters and maybe a pair of black compass 
> tires. 
>
> In any case, fun to think about. Thanks for the inspirations! 
> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 3:09:35 PM UTC-5 Jeremy Till wrote:
>
>> My Clem H with black bars/stem/seatpost/rims/chainrings:
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/2mELwX1
>>
>> -Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>>
>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 11:33:58 AM UTC-8 Patch T wrote:
>>
> I second both these sentiments. Very nice indeed.
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 1:53:21 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> Nice Roadini, Bones.  I'm becoming very partial to black rims with 
 machined (silver) sidewalls.

 On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 10:08:35 AM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:

>>> Not a Rivendell but here’s my Kelly Roshambo (now with black pedals). 
> The bike itself is kind of a coffee bean color. 
>
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2021, at 09:49, Patch T  wrote:
>
> Maybe Bill Lindsay will show his Amethyst Smoke Legolas with black 
> components. I love that bike and the build he chose for it. (I love most 
> of 
> Bill's bikes and the builds he chooses for them.)
>
>
> Patch, in NYC, who somehow feels inappropriate linking to someone 
> else's Flickr, so won't
>  
> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Reverse order.
>> [image: DSCF0130 copy.jpeg]
>>
>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 9:40:29 AM UTC-8 David Person wrote:
>>
>>> [image: DSCF0133 copy.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> One of each.  Hillborne with mostly silver components (though I 
>>> really like the black Dyad Rims with silver braking surface) and Surly 
>>> Disc 
>>> Trucker with a mix of black/silver components.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Joe Bernard]

Color matters, too. The new/last Susie run will be in Dark Gold and 
LimeOlive and hoo buddy those are pretty colors! 



On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:32:42 PM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:

> Ah yes, Rivendell models come and go with great frequency. I tell people, 
> if you see what you like, buy it. Chances are it won't be there later. Some 
> models were made in more quantity so your chances at a resale are better.  
> Some are very scarce. 
>
> To Doug's comment, I would reply, if you think you want a Susie, get it. 
> If you think a Clem or a Platy, or a Cheviot or a Betty Foy or any other 
> model is more your cup of tea, let it slide.   YMMV
>
> Bruce
>
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021, 04:12:18 PM CST, Doug H. <
> dhansf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  if the Susie is on the last run buy that one. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[bruce.herbit...@gmail.com]

 Ah yes, Rivendell models come and go with great frequency. I tell people, if 
you see what you like, buy it. Chances are it won't be there later. Some models 
were made in more quantity so your chances at a resale are better.  Some are 
very scarce. 
To Doug's comment, I would reply, if you think you want a Susie, get it. If you 
think a Clem or a Platy, or a Cheviot or a Betty Foy or any other model is more 
your cup of tea, let it slide.   YMMV
Bruce

On Sunday, December 12, 2021, 04:12:18 PM CST, Doug H. 
 wrote: 
  if the Susie is on the last run buy that one.   

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[RBW] Re: Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Chris L]

My first adult bike was a 1995 Trek 730 Multitrack and I thought it was the 
perfect bike for me, but as I learned more about bikes, I discovered I 
wanted way more tire clearance (730 = 40mm, barely) and a much longer 
top-tube.  I was a fan of quite a few smaller bike brands and wanted 
something non-mainstream and something steel.  I already had a very good 
set of 700c wheels, so the Hunqapillar was the only thing on the market 
that was what I was looking for.  A few brands have put out models that 
were close, but all suffered from too short a top tube, either being 
designed with drops in mind, or trying to split the difference between 
drops and flat/alt bars.  I see this is the only flaw in the original 56cm 
Atlantis, with it's 57 cm ETT.  If that bike had a 60 or 61 cm ETT, it 
would have been my Grail bike.  I would have invested in a second set of 
good wheels that one.

I also was very curious about the "riv ride" I had heard so much of, over 
the years, so I the Hunqapillar being the sole candidate to fit my needs 
was a nice bonus.


On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 4:14:38 PM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:

> I received an early flyer/reader in an order from American Cyclery San 
> Francisco. 
> After reading the specs on the frames, the Allrounder sounded like a great 
> compliment to my classic road bike, by the time I ordered one they had gone 
> to customs and the Atlantis was replacing the Allrounder. 
> I went with a custom. It was one of the best handling bikes I’ve ever 
> owned. 
> I was bombing down Mt. Diablo one day and a couple guys on modern road 
> bikes were trying to reel me in. 
> When we got to the bottom of the mountain one of them said “you handle 
> that old truck pretty well”. 
> It still cracks me up to think about that. 
>
> Grant and company design very nice riding bikes and really excel at the 
> Allrounder style of bike. 
>
> Ray
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 1:53:52 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I was a Bridgestone guy, bought a leftover XO-3 in 1994 as Bstone USA was 
>> folding and Grant was deciding what to do next. That turned out to be 
>> Rivendell and I eventually bought this, a Romulus. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:53:10 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline 
>>> with 15 Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask:
>>>
>>> What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle?
>>>
>>> Not “What do you like about Rivendell bicycles”, or “Why did you buy a 
>>> second one?”, but why did you buy your first?
>>>
>>>
>>> In my case
>>> I wanted steel, because I liked the feel over aluminum (carbon was just 
>>> starting).
>>> I wanted lugged steel, because I think I think a lugged steel bike is 
>>> awesomely pretty.
>>> I got to ride a friend’s Sam Hillborne in 2010, and it fit like a glove, 
>>> and I remembered that.
>>> So when I retired in 2014, I bought a Sam.
>>>
>>> Now I could go on about how I love my Sam, but that’s not the point of 
>>> this.  It’s to find out why you bought your first.
>>>
>>> Did you Google “Rivendell” one day and stumble into the bicycle shop 
>>> instead of the Tolkien book?
>>> Did you want a bicycle that was at home on dirt roads, where the 24mm 
>>> tires of a good used 80’s road bike just couldn’t cut it?
>>> Do you think Grant Petersen is a bicycle god, and you’d buy anything 
>>> that he designs, once you could afford it?
>>> Are you into the “waxed canvas and square taper” kind of mindset?  
>>> Did you get a Riv because it was a boutique bike, or in spite of that?
>>>
>>> Difficulty- no pictures, unless it is of a Riv in a tree with “A guy 
>>> told me I could have this for free, if I climbed up and got it”.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Brake lever inward rotation on Noodle Bars

[beachb...@gmail.com]

I ride mine swiveled in almost in line with the flair of the drops. I find 
it much more comfortable. 

On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 8:13:01 PM UTC-5 Berkeleyan wrote:

> I'm still dialing in my brake lever (Tiagra) position on my wide (48cm) 
> Noodles, before I tape the bars and commit to the Tektro Interrupters. 
> After zooming down Old Tunnel Road in Oakland today, I wonder how many 
> people ride with levers dead straight ahead, and how many swivel the hoods 
> inward some amount? My hands "want" the levers turned in, and I don't see 
> any drawback to that...
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
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[RBW] WTB: Acorn basket bag (V2) in black.

[Mr. Ray]

Hi, missed the November sale in black canvas.  If anyone has one they are 
not using please send me a PM.

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Show me some bikes with black components

[Chris Buzzini]

Thanks, Eric, for kicking off this thread and to everyone who responded! I 
put down a deposit for a Roadeo over the summer and have decided to go with 
black and cream for the frame. These images are really helping me visualize 
my options when it comes to the build. 

Pretty certain I’m going with Shimano components/brifters, but that Shimano 
crank… not so hot to my eye. Hoping that if I go with it in black, it may 
disappear a bit against the black of the frame. Thinking silver for most 
everything else, except the brifters and maybe a pair of black compass 
tires. 

In any case, fun to think about. Thanks for the inspirations! 
On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 3:09:35 PM UTC-5 Jeremy Till wrote:

> My Clem H with black bars/stem/seatpost/rims/chainrings:
>
> https://flic.kr/p/2mELwX1
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 11:33:58 AM UTC-8 Patch T wrote:
>
>> I second both these sentiments. Very nice indeed.
>>
>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 1:53:21 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nice Roadini, Bones.  I'm becoming very partial to black rims with 
>>> machined (silver) sidewalls.
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 10:08:35 AM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>>>
 Not a Rivendell but here’s my Kelly Roshambo (now with black pedals). 
 The bike itself is kind of a coffee bean color. 



 On Dec 10, 2021, at 09:49, Patch T  wrote:

 Maybe Bill Lindsay will show his Amethyst Smoke Legolas with black 
 components. I love that bike and the build he chose for it. (I love most 
 of 
 Bill's bikes and the builds he chooses for them.)


 Patch, in NYC, who somehow feels inappropriate linking to someone 
 else's Flickr, so won't
  
 On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Reverse order.
> [image: DSCF0130 copy.jpeg]
>
> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 9:40:29 AM UTC-8 David Person wrote:
>
>> [image: DSCF0133 copy.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> One of each.  Hillborne with mostly silver components (though I 
>> really like the black Dyad Rims with silver braking surface) and Surly 
>> Disc 
>> Trucker with a mix of black/silver components.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions re Roadeo colors

[Andrew Schell]

I’ve been watching obsessively for it to show up on their website again, and no 
luck so far….. unless someone snatched it up very quickly!

andrew in Calgary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Scott Calhoun  wrote:
> 
> I bought it from TPC recently (in 2021--maybe 6 months ago), hoping it was 
> indeed a Roadeo, but after I got it, using the serial number I confirmed that 
> Mark N. built it and confirmed that it wasn't a Roadeo, but somebody's Riv 
> custom. I rode it for maybe three days, but although it fit me and feel 
> really stable and was beautifully made, it felt less nimble than my Ram, and 
> it just wasn't what I was hoping for. 
> 
> To TPCs credit, they took it back and even paid the return shipping as they 
> had mis-named it in their description. So it did go back up for sale recently 
> I suspect. Anyone on this list pick it up? 
> 
>> On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 12:27:46 PM UTC-7 Kevin D norcal - santa 
>> rosa wrote:
>> Hey Scott, thanks for the clarification.  Yeah, I saw it on TPC listed as a 
>> Rodeo (I thought it was listed recently but maybe not).  I figured it was 
>> custom and thought maybe Waterford.  I saw the fork braze-on but didn't 
>> catch the larger tire capacity.  Perhaps more like a Ramb then or even 
>> stouter yet.  Great paint either way.  
>> curious: are you saying you bought it from TPC recently and returned it to 
>> them?  Or you bought it new from Riv and returned to Riv a while back . . . 
>> and that it wound up at TPC later on.  
>> 
>>> On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 11:07:34 AM UTC-8 Scott Calhoun wrote:
>>> I briefly owned this silver one which was offered by The Pros Closet. For 
>>> the record, it is not a Roadeo and was mis-labeled as such by TPC. It is a 
>>> Rivendell custom built by Mark Nobilette. I loved the color, but it was 
>>> build quite stout and more loaded touring oriented IMO. It was not the 
>>> light lively ride I was hoping for from a Roadeo so I returned it. It also 
>>> used long, rather than medium reach brakes so I would fit relatively huge 
>>> tires. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 11:51:18 AM UTC-7 Kevin D norcal - santa 
 rosa wrote:
 Lots of great pics and colors.  I didn't see a Silver one yet so will add 
 this one.  * It's not mine but I wish it was (and if the owner ever wants 
 to pass it on lemme know).  I recall a JP Weigle build with similar paint. 
  Fine silver - elegance.
 
 
 
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 9:25:18 AM UTC-8 Jim S. wrote:
> Hi, I recently obtained a used Roadeo. It needs a new paint job. Does 
> anyone have opinions on the ideal colors for a Roadeo? Photos are 
> encouraged, of course.
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[RBW] Re: The welded Platy lives

[Doug H.]

Grant is on a roll with bicycle frames...pun intended. I like that he is 
putting out frames for a variety of uses and at different prices points. I 
do believe drop-tubes make for the most forgiving and accessible bicycles.
Doug
On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:09:49 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The latest (at time of this posting, readers of the future) Grant's Blahg 
> says the less expensive mostly-not-lugged version of the Platypus is still 
> in the works. I want to see this, I think a lighter-gauge TIG-ed droptube 
> companion to those stout Clem L's would be sweet. 
>
> Joe Bernard
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[RBW] Re: WTB Quickbeam Frameset

[Doug H.]

+ another one on the freewheel. I think I'll get one and fiddle with it at 
my desk while I consider another single speed...
Doug

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:49:08 AM UTC-5 RichS wrote:

> +1 on the White Industries freewheel. I need to pull my 17t model from the 
> parts box and put it on my desk - while waiting for the RoadUno.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 11:56:17 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> This is a quote from Grant's Blagh:
>>
>> 2. RoadUno: A one-speed for the road that no doubt some people will ride 
>> on trails, but don't. It can be a paved road, a gravel road or dirt road, 
>> but it's not going to be a cross bike or Hillibike or anything like that. 
>> Its 2-inch tire capacity notwithstanding, or whatever the word is.
>>
>> Yeah, I'm definitely going to plan on grabbing one of these when the time 
>> comes.  Perhaps I'll grab one of the DOS ENO freewheels that they just got 
>> in, as a gesture of commitment.  A White Industries freewheel is one of the 
>> very nicest desktop tactile tchotchkes one could ever have.  Several months 
>> of clicking enjoyment before it gets onto a bike would make it practically 
>> free before I even ride it!  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA 
>>
>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 5:09:20 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> No QB leads here, but at least today's newsletter from Riv confirms that 
>>> the Roaduno is in the "actively being worked on" pile! 
>>>
>>> On Friday, 10 December 2021 at 12:51:19 UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Bill,
 I briefly owned a Wabi Classic single speed that seemed to be quality 
 built, with 725 Reynolds tubing. But, the ride wasn't satisfactory as it 
 had short chain stays and a short overall wheelbase. It was a fun quick 
 ride but in the end I sold it. Good luck with your search for a Rivendell 
 SS frameset.
 Doug

 On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 10:44:05 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I'm waiting for the RoadUno, and I'm certain the RoadUno is still 
> coming eventually.  While I wait, I'll throw out the WTB that could 
> possibly distract me from my waiting.  I've long wanted a Quickbeam, in 
> 58 
> or 60, in Silver.  If you have one and want to sell it to me, let me 
> know.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>


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[RBW] Re: Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Ray Varella]

I received an early flyer/reader in an order from American Cyclery San 
Francisco. 
After reading the specs on the frames, the Allrounder sounded like a great 
compliment to my classic road bike, by the time I ordered one they had gone 
to customs and the Atlantis was replacing the Allrounder. 
I went with a custom. It was one of the best handling bikes I’ve ever 
owned. 
I was bombing down Mt. Diablo one day and a couple guys on modern road 
bikes were trying to reel me in. 
When we got to the bottom of the mountain one of them said “you handle that 
old truck pretty well”. 
It still cracks me up to think about that. 

Grant and company design very nice riding bikes and really excel at the 
Allrounder style of bike. 

Ray

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 1:53:52 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I was a Bridgestone guy, bought a leftover XO-3 in 1994 as Bstone USA was 
> folding and Grant was deciding what to do next. That turned out to be 
> Rivendell and I eventually bought this, a Romulus. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:53:10 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:
>
>>
>> I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline with 
>> 15 Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask:
>>
>> What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle?
>>
>> Not “What do you like about Rivendell bicycles”, or “Why did you buy a 
>> second one?”, but why did you buy your first?
>>
>>
>> In my case
>> I wanted steel, because I liked the feel over aluminum (carbon was just 
>> starting).
>> I wanted lugged steel, because I think I think a lugged steel bike is 
>> awesomely pretty.
>> I got to ride a friend’s Sam Hillborne in 2010, and it fit like a glove, 
>> and I remembered that.
>> So when I retired in 2014, I bought a Sam.
>>
>> Now I could go on about how I love my Sam, but that’s not the point of 
>> this.  It’s to find out why you bought your first.
>>
>> Did you Google “Rivendell” one day and stumble into the bicycle shop 
>> instead of the Tolkien book?
>> Did you want a bicycle that was at home on dirt roads, where the 24mm 
>> tires of a good used 80’s road bike just couldn’t cut it?
>> Do you think Grant Petersen is a bicycle god, and you’d buy anything that 
>> he designs, once you could afford it?
>> Are you into the “waxed canvas and square taper” kind of mindset?  
>> Did you get a Riv because it was a boutique bike, or in spite of that?
>>
>> Difficulty- no pictures, unless it is of a Riv in a tree with “A guy told 
>> me I could have this for free, if I climbed up and got it”.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Doug H.]

Leah is the utmost authority on Platypus vs Clem L so take her words as 
certain as much as one can knowing we all seem to get something unique from 
the same bicycle. I had the chance to buy a Platypus but decided to get the 
Clem L for two reasons...cost and style. I just prefer the Clem lines. I 
would bet the Platypus will be around for a few years and if the Susie is 
on the last run buy that one. If you don't like it the resale value is 
superb and then you can get a Platypus in 2022.

This is a fun thread to follow as I like bicycle shopping even when I don't 
plan to buy one. ;-)
Doug

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 4:50:58 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I still think you're on the right track with a Platypus. I can't remember 
> if I posted a pic of my custom in this thread so if I did, here's another 
> look!  My design criteria for Grant was a mostly-pavement frame with 
> v-brakes, and a low step-over that could handle less than touring loads and 
> less than gnarly trail riding. It's fairly light, quite zippy and has lugs 
> as far as the eyes can see. I think you're looking for the same ride 
> qualities and - from what I've heard Leah say about hers - the Platy fits 
> that bill closely. With lugs!
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I did use the word “should” which are fighting words! Yes, I was 
>> describing a very non-Susie bike. For that, I stand corrected. But, I am 
>> someone that longed for a Susie for months only to pass on a purchase. It 
>> is impossible to play mental gymnastics without visualizing the bike I 
>> would want to buy… I seem to want Clem and Susie to get together and have a 
>> kid!
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:12:10 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Well Laura, In the art of communication I swear it's miracle we 
>>> understand anything at all about anyone and anything !  Hence, I find the 
>>> idea that we *ought. should, could or would  *know just the perfect 
>>> thing to say at all times, "or else" we either play the part of the 
>>> mis-understand-er or the mis-understood. It's akin to darned if you do and 
>>> darned if you don't . where *you're darned no matter what you say 
>>> or do* seems the standard bearer. Well that's just silly, it's no 
>>> standard at all ! 
>>>
>>> My comment was about the nature of the Susie design to begin with in 
>>> response to musing about the Susie being a step-thru. That's all. It was no 
>>> "attack" for goodness sake as Joe assumes. My comment about Riv buyers not 
>>> getting what they want for a certain stock price was not a personal 
>>> pointing at you rather a generalized comment that I've seen it many times. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:37:55 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
 meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
 possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
 large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
 opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
 within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and 
 lugged frames.

 On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is 
> because they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and 
> a 
> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of 
> the 
> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock 
> that 
> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen 
> it 
> countless times. 
>
> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter 
> arranged 
> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or 
> break 
> it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
>> calculations, many factors have influenced me.
>>
>> Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment 
>> worth making.
>>
>> In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
>> differences between the Gus & 

[RBW] Re: FS: Cranksets and Shifters

[Bill Lindsay]

Deore Shifters claimed.  Two cranksets remain available.

1. Shimano Deore Hollowtech triple crankset.  175mm arms.  Model #FC-M591.  
They look almost completely unused.  I think these were a take off on a 
newish team bike that we switched to a 2x or 1x.  $40 plus shipping.  I can 
throw in a brand new BSA BB for another $10

2. Truvativ triple.  170mm arms.  ISIS BB compatible.  $20 plus shipping.  

3.  Shimano Deore 3x9 trigger shifters.  Model #SL-M751. SOLD

Local pickup is entertained. 
Here is a link to my "Stuff For Sale" flickr album.  Scroll to the bottom:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157634724093620

On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> A few low-cost items for sale for your winter projects:
>
> 1. Shimano Deore Hollowtech triple crankset.  175mm arms.  Model 
> #FC-M591.  They look almost completely unused.  I think these were a take 
> off on a newish team bike that we switched to a 2x or 1x.  $40 plus 
> shipping.  I can throw in a brand new BSA BB for another $10
>
> 2. Truvativ triple.  170mm arms.  ISIS BB compatible.  $20 plus shipping.  
>
> 3.  Shimano Deore 3x9 trigger shifters.  Model #SL-M751.  $25 plus 
> shipping.
>
> Local pickup is entertained. 
> Here is a link to my "Stuff For Sale" flickr album.  Scroll to the bottom:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157634724093620
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: Opinions re Roadeo colors

[Bill Lindsay]

OK, I happily concede the point that the two different off-whites that look 
the same to me are in fact different.  I'll stick with my opinion that the 
original white/off-white/cream with red accents is recognizeably a Roadeo, 
and looks great.  For the original poster, who was/is looking for 
inspiration on how to paint a Roadeo, I still think that original color 
scheme is worth considering.  It looks great, is recognizeable, and 
probably does well for maintaining resale value due to its 
recognizeability, in my opinion.  If you are keeping the bike 'forever', 
then who cares about resale, get what you want.  I still like the 
'trademark' nature of it, just like I admire the 'trademark' look of an 
Atlantis.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 7:08:45 PM UTC-8 Austin B. wrote:

> I'm with Paul G--on the white being slightly off-white vs cream on my 
> Roadeo. I do like it with the red accent. If I keep it long enough to 
> repaint it, I'll probably go with the orange creamsicle color scheme.
>
>  [image: IMG_9720.jpg]Rambouillet.
>
> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 1:05:23 PM UTC-5 Paul G wrote:
>
>> Here's a daylight photo of my frameset when it was new.
>>
>>
>> [image: DSC_2152.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me some bikes with black components

[Patrick Moore]

Now this is certainly true.

On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 8:31 AM MoVelo  wrote:

> My reference to 'dirt' showing up less on black was imprecise. By 'dirt' I
> meant that filth that turns black due to grease, oil or other lubricants.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me some bikes with black components

[Patrick Moore]

Don't tempt me, man, don't tempt me.

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 9:37 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> The Neutrino rides pretty normal to me. If I ride it back-to-back with my
> wa long and mellow custom the V-O feels notably short-coupled and
> quicker steering, but that's fun..I wanted them to feel significantly
> different.
>
> It's a great "dodging around things" bike for the city, I might even try
> it on a couple dirt switchbacks just to see what happens. I used to ride
> XO-1's and 3's that way, this feels quite similar to those bikes. Go get
> one!
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 7:40:27 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Joe: How do you like the Neutrino, and how does it ride compared to a big
>> bike? Is it twitchy?
>>
>> I have absolutely no need of a bike like this, but I admit I've more than
>> once reviewed the specs on the VO site.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 5:26 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> My Velo-Orange Neutrino with Rohloff Speedhub and SON Dyno. Not a great
>>> pic but the cranks have since been swapped to a silver Sugino so this is
>>> all I have to show for a blacked out bike.
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 8:39:15 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm pretty sure that I dislike black components on bikes. Oh, I can
 handle a black derailer or some brakes, I guess. But all black stem, bars,
 seatpost, crank, etc is, I'm thinking, not my cup of tea. I'm more of a
 decaf espresso type.

 Any who — can anyone share with me pictures of nice builds with black
 components?

 With gratitude,
 Eric

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Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

[Patrick Moore]

Because I wanted a 26" wheel road bike that handled better than my 1992
XO-1.

Backstory: For some reason I decided about 1990 that 26" wheels were better
for road riding than 700C and, after road-ifying several mountain bikes
(wonderful 1991 Stumpjumper Team was the summit and apex) I discovered
that, while they were certainly fast with 200 gram Specialized 26X1"
Turbos, they handled poorly with such skinny tires. Thus, when 2-Wheel
Drive here in ABQ was remaindering that 1992 XO-1 circa 1993, I bought it
and built it up as a gofast lightweight road bike (Sun M14A rims -- purple
anodized! Chi chi Grafton (later Topline superlight) triple! 12-19 7 sp
cassette! End-of-drop-bar Grip Shift!!) and that was fast too, and handled
better than the SJT, but it didn't quite handle well enough. So after I
received the alert that Grant was forming Rivendell, I asked Grant if he
could make me a 26" wheel road bike that was better than the XO-1. He said,
"Oh, it'll be better." And it was. So I put in an order for a 26-wheel road
custom in late 1994, which I received in early 1995. This frame used the
then-current All Rounder as model, but with steepened angles and road
tubing (tout 753!!! -- tho perhaps 531 fork?). Wonderful bike, but too
compact -- 54 c-c (my XO was 55 c-c), requiring a custom upjutter stem, and
rather too quick with the 22 mm actual tires. So I ordered a custom gofast
fixie in 1998, built by Joe Starck, delivered March 1999, still my favorite
bike of all time. Then I wanted a derailleur version of the same, so
ordered one that I received in April 2003, built by Curt Goodrich.

Long period  I finally woke up to the fact that the 2003 just felt too
dead (subtily so, not grossly so, but over the years I came to realize that
it made me work harder than I wanted to, so in 2020 Chauncey Matthews made
me a clone of .8  .4. .8 531 built around the Am hub; revelation and stars
and fireworks.

In the interim I owned a first-gen shop floor Sam Hill and a second or
third hand second gen (blue, 32s and fenders) Ram, both since sold.

Upshot: the key, essence, point, magic of Rivs in ME is: they are
unerringly stable in a straight line, and then they turn into corners
without hesitation or over-eagerness. Even the Sam and Ram did this, tho' I
found the Sam sluggish (and it didn't take fat enough tires for my use),
and the Ram somewhat too staid (perhaps being used to 26" wheels affected
my judgment).

Now, 3 decades later, I'd like to get that signature Riv handling on a bike
that will take 70 mm tires ...

Corollary: When I see effusions of sentiment about XOs, I sigh: Rivs are
just so much better, on road and off.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Patrick Moore]

Sorry, life of Dryden.

On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 1:54 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> (The text is from Dr. Johnson reviewing some novelist.)
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Patrick Moore]

"He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."

Sorry, Garth, couldn't resist, just yanking your chain; and I do read your
posts instead of deleting them with the huge swathes of posts I delete from
all lists every day.

Back to regular programming.

(The text is from Dr. Johnson reviewing some novelist.)

On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 1:12 PM Garth  wrote:

> Well Laura, In the art of communication I swear it's miracle we understand
> anything at all about anyone and anything !  Hence, I find the idea that we 
> *ought.
> should, could or would  *know just the perfect thing to say at all times,
> "or else" we either play the part of the mis-understand-er or the
> mis-understood. It's akin to darned if you do and darned if you don't .
> where *you're darned no matter what you say or do* seems the standard
> bearer. Well that's just silly, it's no standard at all !
>
> My comment was about the nature of the Susie design to begin with in
> response to musing about the Susie being a step-thru. That's all. It was no
> "attack" for goodness sake as Joe assumes. My comment about Riv buyers not
> getting what they want for a certain stock price was not a personal
> pointing at you rather a generalized comment that I've seen it many times.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:37:55 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was
>> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie
>> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in
>> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer
>> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety
>> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and
>> lugged frames.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because
>>> they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a
>>> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other
>>> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the
>>> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then
>>> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that
>>> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it
>>> countless times.
>>>
>>> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest.
>>> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged
>>> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in
>>> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song 
>>> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's
>>> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break
>>> it it's the bike in whole that is everything.
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle
 calculations, many factors have influenced me.

 Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth
 making.

 In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the
 differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment
 Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a
 lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with
 hand-crafted goodness.

 I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future.
 Trying to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid
 chaos.

 On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
 Ding! wrote:

> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in
> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>
> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100
> percent straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened to
> have the threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent
> that we couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and
> we're getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the
> frames are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think
> Platypus-Clem offspring.
>
> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>
> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
>
>
> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit
> her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but
> some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental
> "Basketball" tires instead of 

[RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

[aeroperf]

I see Laura B’s thread about Susie vs. Platy, and Iconley’s timeline with 
15 Riv bikes, and so I thought I’d ask:

What made you buy your first Rivendell bicycle?

Not “What do you like about Rivendell bicycles”, or “Why did you buy a 
second one?”, but why did you buy your first?


In my case
I wanted steel, because I liked the feel over aluminum (carbon was just 
starting).
I wanted lugged steel, because I think I think a lugged steel bike is 
awesomely pretty.
I got to ride a friend’s Sam Hillborne in 2010, and it fit like a glove, 
and I remembered that.
So when I retired in 2014, I bought a Sam.

Now I could go on about how I love my Sam, but that’s not the point of 
this.  It’s to find out why you bought your first.

Did you Google “Rivendell” one day and stumble into the bicycle shop 
instead of the Tolkien book?
Did you want a bicycle that was at home on dirt roads, where the 24mm tires 
of a good used 80’s road bike just couldn’t cut it?
Do you think Grant Petersen is a bicycle god, and you’d buy anything that 
he designs, once you could afford it?
Are you into the “waxed canvas and square taper” kind of mindset?  
Did you get a Riv because it was a boutique bike, or in spite of that?

Difficulty- no pictures, unless it is of a Riv in a tree with “A guy told 
me I could have this for free, if I climbed up and got it”.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Patrick Moore]

Tangential, but this is very interesting, since I too find that certain
"fast" bikes are heavier ones; this all-round and not merely on hills. Was
it here or on the boblist that there was a recent thread about what makes a
bike "fast"? At any rate, IME, it's not at all just weight. (Judging "fast"
by repeated ease in repeated conditions over considerable periods of
turning a higher gear with the same effort as or even less than on a
"slower" bike in a lower gear.)

Me, I think fit and suitability of geometry to one's body and riding style
play a role; and of course, tires ...

On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>
> Laura,
> I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy the
waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with knobby tires, 2.3
wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel > and asphalt. It
climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it has made me rethink
the weight of a bike being a significant factor in climbing and
accelerating.
> Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Garth]

Hey Joe ..It's all fun and games when it's "Party on Garth ",  right 
Joe ?   

You see, I don't know if your being sarcastic, endearing, an ass or a saint 
when you say that. So for examples sake I ask  "Why are you targeting 
me, do you think I like it ?  Do you think I find it endearing, do I find 
it funny ?"

You see how that goes  *just what did he mean by that comment *? 
Where does one begin and where does one end ? How far do we take it ? Does 
anyone ever know what anyone really means or do we pretend to based on our 
personal biases and assumptions ? 

Just some thoughts ... 




On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:22:45 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

>
> Laura, you're just expressing thoughts and opinions like everybody else. 
> Garth is weirdly targeing you and needs to knock it off. 
>
> Joe Bernard
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 9:37:55 AM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
>> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
>> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
>> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
>> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
>> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and 
>> lugged frames.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because 
>>> they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a 
>>> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
>>> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
>>> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
>>> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
>>> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it 
>>> countless times. 
>>>
>>> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
>>> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged 
>>> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
>>> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
>>> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
>>> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
>>> it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
 calculations, many factors have influenced me.

 Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
 making.

 In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
 differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment 
 Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a 
 lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with 
 hand-crafted goodness.

 I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. 
 Trying to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid 
 chaos.

 On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>
> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 
> percent straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened 
> to 
> have the threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent 
> that we couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and 
> we're getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the 
> frames are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
> Platypus-Clem offspring.
>
> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>
> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
>
>
> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit 
> her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but 
> some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental 
> "Basketball" tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has 
> no 
> trouble doing club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at 
> under 10 mph. It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of 
> Rivs more reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus 
> also 
> has a Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura]

I did use the word “should” which are fighting words! Yes, I was describing 
a very non-Susie bike. For that, I stand corrected. But, I am someone that 
longed for a Susie for months only to pass on a purchase. It is impossible 
to play mental gymnastics without visualizing the bike I would want to buy… 
I seem to want Clem and Susie to get together and have a kid!
On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 3:12:10 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Well Laura, In the art of communication I swear it's miracle we understand 
> anything at all about anyone and anything !  Hence, I find the idea that we 
> *ought. 
> should, could or would  *know just the perfect thing to say at all times, 
> "or else" we either play the part of the mis-understand-er or the 
> mis-understood. It's akin to darned if you do and darned if you don't . 
> where *you're darned no matter what you say or do* seems the standard 
> bearer. Well that's just silly, it's no standard at all ! 
>
> My comment was about the nature of the Susie design to begin with in 
> response to musing about the Susie being a step-thru. That's all. It was no 
> "attack" for goodness sake as Joe assumes. My comment about Riv buyers not 
> getting what they want for a certain stock price was not a personal 
> pointing at you rather a generalized comment that I've seen it many times. 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:37:55 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
>> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
>> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
>> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
>> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
>> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and 
>> lugged frames.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because 
>>> they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a 
>>> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
>>> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
>>> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
>>> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
>>> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it 
>>> countless times. 
>>>
>>> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
>>> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged 
>>> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
>>> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
>>> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
>>> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
>>> it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
 calculations, many factors have influenced me.

 Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
 making.

 In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
 differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment 
 Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a 
 lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with 
 hand-crafted goodness.

 I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. 
 Trying to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid 
 chaos.

 On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>
> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 
> percent straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened 
> to 
> have the threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent 
> that we couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and 
> we're getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the 
> frames are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
> Platypus-Clem offspring.
>
> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>
> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
>
>
> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit 
> her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on 

[RBW] Re: FS: Many bike parts (google doc)

[Drew Saunders]

It’s been a couple weeks, so I suppose this post is due for a bump. About 
half the items sold, but there are still quite a few Items left.

It might be more efficient to email me directly with the item(s) you want 
in the subject line.

Thanks,

Drew
On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 1:43:15 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:

> It's time to clear out my old bike parts "for another build...some day." 
> Most are from the 1990's and early 2000's. Wheels (including one Wheelsmith 
> built) and hubs, cranks and chainrings, cassettes, freewheels and fixed 
> cogs, pedals, derailleurs, shifters, stems, handlebars, books and even a 
> "Rivendell Riders" Brooks saddle!
>
> Here's the Google doc:
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IIh2YvmNtzTB-o3Y45TyOumg6qYnxTqgLO0zzHgH_9k/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Weights are listed to help you estimate shipping. I have an account with 
> pirateship.com, who offer good rates on USPS and UPS. Local pick up in 
> Palo Alto, California is an option, and I'd encourage it for the wheels and 
> handlebars, for which I don't have large enough boxes handy (but I could 
> find them).
>
> Please reply directly to me (drew.s...@gmail.com) with the items you're 
> interested in. Once I get an email, I'll mark the item as "pending" and 
> reply with whether or not the item(s) are available and if you want them 
> shipped, an estimate on the shipping cost. If you agree, I'll box and 
> re-weigh and send you the total cost including shipping. Once payment is 
> done, the item will be marked as "Sold." 
>
> I could re-photograph anything if you want more details on a specific part.
>
> As the list is extensive, I won't reply to this post until everything is 
> gone, or nearly so, so as to avoid spamming the group.
>
> Happy Shopping and Riding!
>
> Drew
>
> P.S. Some of you have bought from this doc before as you placed WTB 
> requests that matched items I had while I was still working on the doc. 
> Since then, I added the books and two Brooks saddles.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Garth]

Hey Joe ..It's all fun and games when it's "Party on Garth ",  right 
Joe ?   
On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:22:45 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

>
> Laura, you're just expressing thoughts and opinions like everybody else. 
> Garth is weirdly targeing you and needs to knock it off. 
>
> Joe Bernard
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 9:37:55 AM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
>> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
>> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
>> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
>> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
>> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and 
>> lugged frames.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because 
>>> they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a 
>>> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
>>> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
>>> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
>>> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
>>> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it 
>>> countless times. 
>>>
>>> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
>>> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged 
>>> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
>>> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
>>> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
>>> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
>>> it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
 calculations, many factors have influenced me.

 Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
 making.

 In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
 differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment 
 Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a 
 lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with 
 hand-crafted goodness.

 I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. 
 Trying to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid 
 chaos.

 On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>
> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 
> percent straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened 
> to 
> have the threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent 
> that we couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and 
> we're getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the 
> frames are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
> Platypus-Clem offspring.
>
> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>
> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
>
>
> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit 
> her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but 
> some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental 
> "Basketball" tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has 
> no 
> trouble doing club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at 
> under 10 mph. It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of 
> Rivs more reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus 
> also 
> has a Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I 
> think.
>
> To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere:  
>
> Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully 
> embraced by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or 
> another better than something else, but you can't go wrong with any 
> Rivendell of any era.  I have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, it 
> does that just fine. With fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces I 
> am 
> likely to be on. Of my 4 bikes, it is 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Garth]

Well Laura, In the art of communication I swear it's miracle we understand 
anything at all about anyone and anything !  Hence, I find the idea that we 
*ought. 
should, could or would  *know just the perfect thing to say at all times, 
"or else" we either play the part of the mis-understand-er or the 
mis-understood. It's akin to darned if you do and darned if you don't . 
where *you're darned no matter what you say or do* seems the standard 
bearer. Well that's just silly, it's no standard at all ! 

My comment was about the nature of the Susie design to begin with in 
response to musing about the Susie being a step-thru. That's all. It was no 
"attack" for goodness sake as Joe assumes. My comment about Riv buyers not 
getting what they want for a certain stock price was not a personal 
pointing at you rather a generalized comment that I've seen it many times. 



On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:37:55 PM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and 
> lugged frames.
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because 
>> they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a 
>> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
>> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
>> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
>> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
>> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it 
>> countless times. 
>>
>> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
>> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged 
>> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
>> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
>> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
>> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
>> it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
>>> calculations, many factors have influenced me.
>>>
>>> Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
>>> making.
>>>
>>> In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
>>> differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment 
>>> Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a 
>>> lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with 
>>> hand-crafted goodness.
>>>
>>> I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. 
>>> Trying to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid 
>>> chaos.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
 Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:

 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 
 percent straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened to 
 have the threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent 
 that we couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and 
 we're getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the 
 frames are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
 Platypus-Clem offspring.

 Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
 Leah

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:

 To Doug's comments on Clem L:


 I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit 
 her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but 
 some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental 
 "Basketball" tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no 
 trouble doing club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at 
 under 10 mph. It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of 
 Rivs more reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus 
 also 
 has a Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I 
 think.

 To the earlier comment about 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Joe Bernard]

Laura, you're just expressing thoughts and opinions like everybody else. 
Garth is weirdly targeing you and needs to knock it off. 

Joe Bernard
On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 9:37:55 AM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
> meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
> possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
> large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
> opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
> within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and 
> lugged frames.
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because 
>> they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a 
>> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
>> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
>> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
>> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
>> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it 
>> countless times. 
>>
>> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
>> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged 
>> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
>> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
>> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
>> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
>> it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
>>> calculations, many factors have influenced me.
>>>
>>> Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
>>> making.
>>>
>>> In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
>>> differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment 
>>> Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a 
>>> lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with 
>>> hand-crafted goodness.
>>>
>>> I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. 
>>> Trying to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid 
>>> chaos.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
 Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:

 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 
 percent straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened to 
 have the threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent 
 that we couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and 
 we're getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the 
 frames are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
 Platypus-Clem offspring.

 Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
 Leah

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:

 To Doug's comments on Clem L:


 I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit 
 her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but 
 some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental 
 "Basketball" tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no 
 trouble doing club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at 
 under 10 mph. It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of 
 Rivs more reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus 
 also 
 has a Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I 
 think.

 To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere:  

 Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully 
 embraced by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or 
 another better than something else, but you can't go wrong with any 
 Rivendell of any era.  I have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, it 
 does that just fine. With fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces I am 
 likely to be on. Of my 4 bikes, it is the one that gets most of the miles 
 every year.

 Bruce

 On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> Laura,
> I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy 
> the waters. Mine is the Lime 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura]

Garth… I hope my post did not read as demanding or complaining! It was 
meant as a thoughtful opinion, especially in light of the Gus/Susie 
possible demise. Riv has begun to make less expensive tig-welded frames in 
large part, I assume, because people requested them. Enough customer 
opinions resulted in new stock. I wanted to show support for more variety 
within the HILLIBIKE category. And my appreciation for fillet brazed and 
lugged frames.

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 10:17:01 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because 
> they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a 
> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it 
> countless times. 
>
> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged 
> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
> it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
>> calculations, many factors have influenced me.
>>
>> Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
>> making.
>>
>> In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
>> differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment 
>> Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a 
>> lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with 
>> hand-crafted goodness.
>>
>> I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. Trying 
>> to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid chaos.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
>>> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>>>
>>> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 percent 
>>> straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened to have the 
>>> threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent that we 
>>> couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and we're 
>>> getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the frames 
>>> are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
>>> Platypus-Clem offspring.
>>>
>>> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>>>
>>> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
>>>
>>>
>>> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit 
>>> her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but 
>>> some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental 
>>> "Basketball" tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no 
>>> trouble doing club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at 
>>> under 10 mph. It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of 
>>> Rivs more reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus also 
>>> has a Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I 
>>> think.
>>>
>>> To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere:  
>>>
>>> Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully 
>>> embraced by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or 
>>> another better than something else, but you can't go wrong with any 
>>> Rivendell of any era.  I have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, it 
>>> does that just fine. With fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces I am 
>>> likely to be on. Of my 4 bikes, it is the one that gets most of the miles 
>>> every year.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Laura,
 I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy 
 the waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with knobby tires, 
 2.3 wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel and asphalt. 
 It climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it has made me 
 rethink the weight of a bike being a significant factor in climbing and 
 accelerating. 
 Doug
 Athens, Ga

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[iamkeith]

I didn't take Laura's comments as "criticism" of the Susie design.  But 
Garth is right about it just being a light version of the gus.  I almost 
got the feeling that it was an afterthought.  Like they knew they needed a  
1 1/8" headset and a reasonably heavy duty tubeset if Gus was going to be 
abused as a mountain bike and/or loaded up for off-road touring, but 
couldn't quite get comfortable with the compromises those decisions 
required.  So they decided to do a limited run of light versions,  just to 
scratch the itch.  And left the naming to happenstance.   I'm glad it 
wasn't the case but, if anything, I could have seen the Susie/Wolbis 
version having a high/straight top tube to improve triangulation in 
compensation for the lighter tubes.  They were initially very cautious 
about who they said could or should have one but, since it worked out and 
ended up being stronger than they expected, it sounds like it's surviving 
for another round.  At one point, they said future rounds of hillibikes 
might be tig welded, so these new(final) ones being fillet brazed is 
already a bonus.  I don't know why they plan to end it altogether,  but 
that's pretty common with Rivendell.  When you find one that you like AND 
that fits, there'll often be regrets if you don't seize the opportunity 
while you can.

I too think a custom riv is probably the best way to go, but you'd really 
have to know what you want.  In the meantime, every bike you own is an 
opportunity to learn and narrow it down and find out what works.

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:17:01 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because 
> they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a 
> threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
> bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
> price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
> criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
> seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it 
> countless times. 
>
> That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged 
> by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
> name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
> ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
> paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
> it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
>> calculations, many factors have influenced me.
>>
>> Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
>> making.
>>
>> In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the 
>> differences between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment 
>> Gus, the Susie would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a 
>> lower bottom bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with 
>> hand-crafted goodness.
>>
>> I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. Trying 
>> to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid chaos.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
>>> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>>>
>>> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 percent 
>>> straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened to have the 
>>> threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent that we 
>>> couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and we're 
>>> getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the frames 
>>> are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
>>> Platypus-Clem offspring.
>>>
>>> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>>>
>>> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
>>>
>>>
>>> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit 
>>> her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but 
>>> some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental 
>>> "Basketball" tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no 
>>> trouble doing club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at 
>>> under 10 mph. It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of 
>>> Rivs more reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus also 
>>> has a Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I 
>>> think.
>>>
>>> 

[RBW] Personal Rivendell Timeline

[lconley]

For some reason, I decided to do my Personal Rivendell Timeline (frames & 1 
complete):

01) 12/18/2012 - $950 - Sam Hillborne - 56 cm, Blue headtube special, DTT, 
sidepulls (since sold, replaced by the orange Sam)
02) 11/27/2014 - $1800 - Bombadil - 52 cm, Hunq green, diagatube, tentacles
03) 03/13/2015 - $700 - Clementine - 52 cm, Black
04) 08/28/2015 - $1000 - Betty Foy - 60 cm, Blue
05) 11/28/2015 - $1150 - Sam Hillborne - 56 cm, Mettalic Orange special, 
DTT, sidepulls (since sold)
06) 10/19/2016 - $2500 - Protoveloosa / Long Bike / Mystery Bike - 54.5 cm, 
diagatube, tentacles, only complete bike bought
07) 12/15/2016 - $1600 - Hubbuhubbuh - small, Orange
08) 03/21/2017 - $850 - Rosco Bubbe V1, Frame # 7, 50 cm, Flanker Green, 
bought from Rivelo
09) 03/10/2017 - $800 - Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte - 54 cm, Blue
10) 12/19/2017 - $1500 - Frank Jones Sr - 57 cm, Homer Blue
11) 05/02/2018 - $900 - Roadini - 47 cm, Blue - (since given to my sister)
12) 10/12/2019 - $800 - Rosco Baby  - 52 cm, Blue
13) 11/18/2019 - $1600 - Gus Boots Willsen - Large, Blue
14) 02/19/2020 - $4352 - Custom - 53.4 cm - Orange - ordered 8/8/2018
15) 06/19/2020 - $3200 - Keven's Bike - Blue

So I still have a dozen Rivendells, I had made a list of keepers and ones 
to sell, but they all seem to migrate back to keepers. The Roadini was 
built as a small visitor/guest bike and was never "my" bike. Odd that I 
sold the two Sams, they we great bikes, but were basically replaced by the 
Custom as the main road bike.

The current most active project is a Crust Clydesdale cargo Fork 
installation on the Clementine. Just laced a 650B Cliffhanger to a 
Rivendell Silver rear hub and a 20" Cliffhanger to a Panasonic dyno hub for 
this project. Also laced 700C Velocity Synergy rims (used - from the orange 
Sam) to a Shimano Deore rear hub and Shimano Alfine1.5W dyno hub for my 
wife's Betty Foy.

Laing
avoiding truing 4 wheels in Delray Beach FL

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[RBW] Re: WTB Quickbeam Frameset

[RichS]

+1 on the White Industries freewheel. I need to pull my 17t model from the 
parts box and put it on my desk - while waiting for the RoadUno.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 11:56:17 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> This is a quote from Grant's Blagh:
>
> 2. RoadUno: A one-speed for the road that no doubt some people will ride 
> on trails, but don't. It can be a paved road, a gravel road or dirt road, 
> but it's not going to be a cross bike or Hillibike or anything like that. 
> Its 2-inch tire capacity notwithstanding, or whatever the word is.
>
> Yeah, I'm definitely going to plan on grabbing one of these when the time 
> comes.  Perhaps I'll grab one of the DOS ENO freewheels that they just got 
> in, as a gesture of commitment.  A White Industries freewheel is one of the 
> very nicest desktop tactile tchotchkes one could ever have.  Several months 
> of clicking enjoyment before it gets onto a bike would make it practically 
> free before I even ride it!  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>
> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 5:09:20 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> No QB leads here, but at least today's newsletter from Riv confirms that 
>> the Roaduno is in the "actively being worked on" pile! 
>>
>> On Friday, 10 December 2021 at 12:51:19 UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Bill,
>>> I briefly owned a Wabi Classic single speed that seemed to be quality 
>>> built, with 725 Reynolds tubing. But, the ride wasn't satisfactory as it 
>>> had short chain stays and a short overall wheelbase. It was a fun quick 
>>> ride but in the end I sold it. Good luck with your search for a Rivendell 
>>> SS frameset.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 10:44:05 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I'm waiting for the RoadUno, and I'm certain the RoadUno is still 
 coming eventually.  While I wait, I'll throw out the WTB that could 
 possibly distract me from my waiting.  I've long wanted a Quickbeam, in 58 
 or 60, in Silver.  If you have one and want to sell it to me, let me know. 
  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Brake lever inward rotation on Noodle Bars

[RichS]

Andrew, I have the same brake lever/bar setup as you (44cm bars) on my 
bikes. The levers are tilted in just slightly; two or three degrees I'd 
guess. I've run them this way as long as I can remember so it feels 
natural. No drawback to turning the levers in if that's your sweet spot.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 8:13:01 PM UTC-5 Berkeleyan wrote:

> I'm still dialing in my brake lever (Tiagra) position on my wide (48cm) 
> Noodles, before I tape the bars and commit to the Tektro Interrupters. 
> After zooming down Old Tunnel Road in Oakland today, I wonder how many 
> people ride with levers dead straight ahead, and how many swivel the hoods 
> inward some amount? My hands "want" the levers turned in, and I don't see 
> any drawback to that...
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me some bikes with black components

[MoVelo]

My reference to 'dirt' showing up less on black was imprecise. By 'dirt' I 
meant that filth that turns black due to grease, oil or other lubricants. I 
prefer silver components myself since I can better tell when they need a 
good cleaning. The only experience I've had with black was on a car I 
owned. When it was clean it was beautiful, but as you point out Patrick the 
dust shows more easily. 

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:17:23 AM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> I have a Neutrino also, but is has a lot of purple Paul components. It is 
> kind of a replacement for my Bike Friday, that I no longer ride, due to 
> being too heavy for the Bike Friday now. My Neutrino is a single speed. As 
> Joe says, it rides pretty normal. I haven't done any long rides on the 
> Neutrino, But I did do a two day double century on the Bike Friday. It was 
> very comfortable. The shorter overall length can be a great feature.
>
> Laing
>
> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 11:37:05 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Patrick, 
>>
>> The Neutrino rides pretty normal to me. If I ride it back-to-back with my 
>> wa long and mellow custom the V-O feels notably short-coupled and 
>> quicker steering, but that's fun..I wanted them to feel significantly 
>> different.
>>
>> It's a great "dodging around things" bike for the city, I might even try 
>> it on a couple dirt switchbacks just to see what happens. I used to ride 
>> XO-1's and 3's that way, this feels quite similar to those bikes. Go get 
>> one! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 7:40:27 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Joe: How do you like the Neutrino, and how does it ride compared to a 
>>> big bike? Is it twitchy?
>>>
>>> I have absolutely no need of a bike like this, but I admit I've more 
>>> than once reviewed the specs on the VO site.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 5:26 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 My Velo-Orange Neutrino with Rohloff Speedhub and SON Dyno. Not a great 
 pic but the cranks have since been swapped to a silver Sugino so this is 
 all I have to show for a blacked out bike. 

 Joe Bernard

 On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 8:39:15 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I'm pretty sure that I dislike black components on bikes. Oh, I can 
> handle a black derailer or some brakes, I guess. But all black stem, 
> bars, 
> seatpost, crank, etc is, I'm thinking, not my cup of tea. I'm more of a 
> decaf espresso type. 
>
> Any who — can anyone share with me pictures of nice builds with black 
> components? 
>
> With gratitude,
> Eric 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Garth]

Laura , the reason the Gus and Susie Longbolts are so similar is because 
they are of the same blueprint, with slightly\ lighter tubing and a 
threaded stem denoting the Susie. If one wants a step-thru Riv has other 
bikes, or have a custom made. I know people balk at customs because of the 
price, but looking at stock frames, seeing what you don't want and then 
criticizing them for it, and wishing/demanding they make it stock that 
seems a way of placing responsibility where it doesn't belong. I've seen it 
countless times. 

That nature of the names though are a Riv reader contribution contest. 
Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone came from a set of certain letter arranged 
by readers. There was no gender intention involved or implied.  What's in 
name anyways ?  A "Boy named Sue ?" ... that famous Johnny Cash song  
ask him what it's about ! Hahahaha   As with any bike, it's not it's 
paint on the surface, it's not the letters on the paint that make or break 
it it's the bike in whole that is everything. 
On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
> calculations, many factors have influenced me.
>
> Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
> making.
>
> In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the differences 
> between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment Gus, the Susie 
> would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a lower bottom 
> bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with hand-crafted goodness.
>
> I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. Trying 
> to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid chaos.
>
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
>> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>>
>> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 percent 
>> straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened to have the 
>> threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent that we 
>> couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and we're 
>> getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the frames 
>> are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
>> Platypus-Clem offspring.
>>
>> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>>
>> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
>>
>>
>> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit 
>> her need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but 
>> some of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental 
>> "Basketball" tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no 
>> trouble doing club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at 
>> under 10 mph. It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of 
>> Rivs more reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus also 
>> has a Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I 
>> think.
>>
>> To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere:  
>>
>> Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully 
>> embraced by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or 
>> another better than something else, but you can't go wrong with any 
>> Rivendell of any era.  I have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, it 
>> does that just fine. With fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces I am 
>> likely to be on. Of my 4 bikes, it is the one that gets most of the miles 
>> every year.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Laura,
>>> I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy 
>>> the waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with knobby tires, 
>>> 2.3 wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel and asphalt. 
>>> It climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it has made me 
>>> rethink the weight of a bike being a significant factor in climbing and 
>>> accelerating. 
>>> Doug
>>> Athens, Ga
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:33:05 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 EDIT…

 Jarad = Jared

 Lime green = Lime olive

 2022 orange Platypus = my prediction

 On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-5 Laura B wrote:

> Jarad, thank you for your insights. I have to laugh because the 
> answers have made me confident that either bike will be a great 
> all-rounder, but the answers have also made me yearn for both!
>
> So, I am back to square one. Loving both bikes for their potential to 
> compliment one another, but having no idea which one I 

[RBW] WTB Medium ShopSack Medium

[Ron Frazelle]

Hey all,

Looking for a Medium ShopSack in Olive, Tan or (preferably Khaki #9). 

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Forthcoming Rivendell single speed, per Blahg

[Garth]

It seems to me Patrick you're questioning no one but your own question. 
You're gonna ride where and how you're gonna ride regardless of what anyone 
says. 

All the deferring to "technology" is but more of the same old worn out 
systems of faith/good vs. evil/dual-ism. That it's presented or masked as 
"modern science" or whatever doesn't change that one iota. Same ol' stuff 
different story. S.O.S.D.S. All the clever means that man comes up to 
"make life better/worse/heaven/hell" assume that there is even LIFE that 
could be altered to begin with, that there ever was a "beginning".  Hah hah 
.. there isn't one . There's countless theories of "how it all began" 
 theories are theories because they are obviously theoretical and not 
reality. Life ITself isn't a "best guess" , it absolutely IS !  

As far as I'm concerned ... "how LIFE truly works" is PFM ... pure effin' 
magic.  not a trickster/foolery kind of magic rather one of 
self-awe and self-wonder and self-appreciation.. .. Love as Love Loves. 
On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:32:31 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Just read this from same:. Grant is too nice to be sarcastic (I mean that 
> sincerely), but this comes close.
>
> Here's something we're not working on, but it has potential to make life 
> better in cities and worse in mountains. It's the Musk-Bike. You may have 
> seen this already.
>
> Eventually it'll have drones built-in, for AI accident avoidance. Not a 
> joke, all serious, I believe this is the way it's all going. Nothing that 
> happens with bikes in the future will make normal bicycles any less 
> relevant or suited to getting around. It's just that, you know, it's wired 
> into our DNA to want everything for nothing.
>
> *There will be DIY home liposuction machines and While-U-Sleep muscle 
> stimulators so you can wake up stronger. There will be a way to add or take 
> melanin out of your skin, for better or worse. Models will go for it for 
> sure. The new/reissue of Google glasses will have video capabilities, too, 
> and the technology will make its way into contact lenses, which may help 
> beating victims record the attacks. Everything is a mix of good and bad, 
> danger and potential. *
>
> Anything involving Musk makes me simultaneously curse and laugh, tho' I'd 
> be happy to have the US take control of e-bike mfring .
>
> Patrick Moore, who has no problem being sarcastic.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 10:16 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
> >
> > Now this sound fun. But why not ride something like this on trails? I 
> rode sand with 50s until I discovered the Schwalbe Big One ex-lite.
> >
> > 2. RoadUno: A one-speed for the road that no doubt some people will ride 
> on trails, but don't. It can be a paved road, a gravel road or dirt road, 
> but it's not going to be a cross bike or Hillibike or anything like that. 
> Its 2-inch tire capacity notwithstanding, or whatever the word is.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ---
> > Patrick Moore
> > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me some bikes with black components

[lconley]

I have a Neutrino also, but is has a lot of purple Paul components. It is 
kind of a replacement for my Bike Friday, that I no longer ride, due to 
being too heavy for the Bike Friday now. My Neutrino is a single speed. As 
Joe says, it rides pretty normal. I haven't done any long rides on the 
Neutrino, But I did do a two day double century on the Bike Friday. It was 
very comfortable. The shorter overall length can be a great feature.

Laing

On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 11:37:05 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Patrick, 
>
> The Neutrino rides pretty normal to me. If I ride it back-to-back with my 
> wa long and mellow custom the V-O feels notably short-coupled and 
> quicker steering, but that's fun..I wanted them to feel significantly 
> different.
>
> It's a great "dodging around things" bike for the city, I might even try 
> it on a couple dirt switchbacks just to see what happens. I used to ride 
> XO-1's and 3's that way, this feels quite similar to those bikes. Go get 
> one! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 7:40:27 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Joe: How do you like the Neutrino, and how does it ride compared to a big 
>> bike? Is it twitchy?
>>
>> I have absolutely no need of a bike like this, but I admit I've more than 
>> once reviewed the specs on the VO site.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 5:26 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> My Velo-Orange Neutrino with Rohloff Speedhub and SON Dyno. Not a great 
>>> pic but the cranks have since been swapped to a silver Sugino so this is 
>>> all I have to show for a blacked out bike. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 8:39:15 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm pretty sure that I dislike black components on bikes. Oh, I can 
 handle a black derailer or some brakes, I guess. But all black stem, bars, 
 seatpost, crank, etc is, I'm thinking, not my cup of tea. I'm more of a 
 decaf espresso type. 

 Any who — can anyone share with me pictures of nice builds with black 
 components? 

 With gratitude,
 Eric 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura]

iamkeith, no worries… in my angst-filled journey of new bicycle 
calculations, many factors have influenced me.

Leah… I favor lugs & fillet brazing! For me, it is an investment worth 
making.

In my humble peanut gallery opinion, they should have made the differences 
between the Gus & Susie models more distinct. To compliment Gus, the Susie 
would have benefited if it had step-thru qualities and a lower bottom 
bracket. Making it a leisure-minded trail bike with hand-crafted goodness.

I hope Rivendell creates another fillet brazed bike in the future. Trying 
to sell these unique frames must be extra difficult during Covid chaos.

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:28:00 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in 
> Grant’s Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:
>
> 3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 percent 
> straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened to have the 
> threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent that we 
> couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and we're 
> getting deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the frames 
> are gonna be fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think 
> Platypus-Clem offspring.
>
> Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>
> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
>
>
> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit her 
> need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but some 
> of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental "Basketball" 
> tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no trouble doing 
> club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at under 10 mph. 
> It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of Rivs more 
> reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus also has a 
> Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I think.
>
> To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere:  
>
> Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully 
> embraced by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or 
> another better than something else, but you can't go wrong with any 
> Rivendell of any era.  I have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, it 
> does that just fine. With fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces I am 
> likely to be on. Of my 4 bikes, it is the one that gets most of the miles 
> every year.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Laura,
>> I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy the 
>> waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with knobby tires, 2.3 
>> wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel and asphalt. It 
>> climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it has made me rethink 
>> the weight of a bike being a significant factor in climbing and 
>> accelerating. 
>> Doug
>> Athens, Ga
>>
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:33:05 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> EDIT…
>>>
>>> Jarad = Jared
>>>
>>> Lime green = Lime olive
>>>
>>> 2022 orange Platypus = my prediction
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-5 Laura B wrote:
>>>
 Jarad, thank you for your insights. I have to laugh because the answers 
 have made me confident that either bike will be a great all-rounder, but 
 the answers have also made me yearn for both!

 So, I am back to square one. Loving both bikes for their potential to 
 compliment one another, but having no idea which one I like best as an 
 all-rounder! Shallow me… the orange of the current Susie was easily 
 tipping 
 the balance in that direction. When they announced the current colors, it 
 placed both bikes on equal ground. I have no doubt I will sweat it out 
 till the last minute! I also predict I will buy a lime green Susie in 
 2021, 
 then go nuts when an orange Platypus is released in 2022!!!
 On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 11:27:52 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Both bike will do what you're looking for, and you wont come near the 
> limitations of either.
>
> I had a Susie and my fiancee has a Platy, both bikes handle the type 
> of riding you describe with ease.
>
> The Susie is more confidence inspiring off road and demands a larger 
> tire to take full advantage of its potential.
>
> The Platy has a more sophisticated look and handles on road riding in 
> a way that leaves you wanting for nothing.
>
> I didn't love the way a large load felt on the front of the Susie, 
> where as the Plat handles similar loads with ease.
>
> All said I'll be getting another Susie this round, one size up from my 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Leah Peterson]

To FURTHER foul up the decision-making process, did you all read in Grant’s 
Blahg  that they are working on the Roscopus? See below:

3. Rosco-Plats: Like the Platypus, but less lugged, and with 100 percent 
straight, strong, safe, beautiful CLEM forks that just happened to have the 
threaded rack bosses mis-drilled ever so slightly, to the extent that we 
couldn't sell them as perfect, but their flub is visual only, and we're getting 
deals on them and so designed frames around them, and the frames are gonna be 
fantastic and inexpensive by our standards. Think Platypus-Clem offspring.

Decisions, decisions, Laura! What will you do now?
Leah

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 12, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
> 
> To Doug's comments on Clem L:
> 
> I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit her 
> need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but some of 
> that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental "Basketball" 
> tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no trouble doing 
> club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at under 10 mph. It's 
> been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of Rivs more reasonably 
> prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus also has a Clem L and 
> enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I think.
> 
> To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere:  
> 
> Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully embraced 
> by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or another better 
> than something else, but you can't go wrong with any Rivendell of any era.  I 
> have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, it does that just fine. With 
> fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces I am likely to be on. Of my 4 
> bikes, it is the one that gets most of the miles every year.
> 
> Bruce
> 
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>> Laura,
>> I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy the 
>> waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with knobby tires, 2.3 
>> wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel and asphalt. It 
>> climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it has made me rethink 
>> the weight of a bike being a significant factor in climbing and 
>> accelerating. 
>> Doug
>> Athens, Ga
>> 
>>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:33:05 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> EDIT…
>>> 
>>> Jarad = Jared
>>> 
>>> Lime green = Lime olive
>>> 
>>> 2022 orange Platypus = my prediction
>>> 
>>> 
 On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-5 Laura B wrote:
 Jarad, thank you for your insights. I have to laugh because the answers 
 have made me confident that either bike will be a great all-rounder, but 
 the answers have also made me yearn for both!
 
 So, I am back to square one. Loving both bikes for their potential to 
 compliment one another, but having no idea which one I like best as an 
 all-rounder! Shallow me… the orange of the current Susie was easily 
 tipping the balance in that direction. When they announced the current 
 colors, it placed both bikes on equal ground. I have no doubt I will sweat 
 it out till the last minute! I also predict I will buy a lime green Susie 
 in 2021, then go nuts when an orange Platypus is released in 2022!!!
 
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 11:27:52 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
> Both bike will do what you're looking for, and you wont come near the 
> limitations of either.
> 
> I had a Susie and my fiancee has a Platy, both bikes handle the type of 
> riding you describe with ease.
> 
> The Susie is more confidence inspiring off road and demands a larger tire 
> to take full advantage of its potential.
> 
> The Platy has a more sophisticated look and handles on road riding in a 
> way that leaves you wanting for nothing.
> 
> I didn't love the way a large load felt on the front of the Susie, where 
> as the Plat handles similar loads with ease.
> 
> All said I'll be getting another Susie this round, one size up from my 
> previous size L.
> 
> I'll also be keeping a close eye on the next bath of Platy's as well, I 
> feel there is enough difference between the two to justify owning both, 
> tho I'm trying to keep it down to just one bike at a time.
> 
> Best of luck with whatever you choose
> 
> Jared in SLO
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Thank you Joe. My hunch is that you are right. All Rivendell bikes are 
>> multi-functional with the right components. I pulled the 2.2 tire size 
>> out of my head so that it would become a non-factor when making the 
>> comparison. I thought it was the largest Platypus could handle without 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Fullylugged]

To Doug's comments on Clem L:

I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit her 
need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but some 
of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental "Basketball" 
tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no trouble doing 
club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at under 10 mph. 
It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of Rivs more 
reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus also has a 
Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I think.

To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere:  

Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully 
embraced by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or 
another better than something else, but you can't go wrong with any 
Rivendell of any era.  I have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, it 
does that just fine. With fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces I am 
likely to be on. Of my 4 bikes, it is the one that gets most of the miles 
every year.

Bruce

On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> Laura,
> I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy the 
> waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with knobby tires, 2.3 
> wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel and asphalt. It 
> climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it has made me rethink 
> the weight of a bike being a significant factor in climbing and 
> accelerating. 
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
>
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:33:05 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> EDIT…
>>
>> Jarad = Jared
>>
>> Lime green = Lime olive
>>
>> 2022 orange Platypus = my prediction
>>
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-5 Laura B wrote:
>>
>>> Jarad, thank you for your insights. I have to laugh because the answers 
>>> have made me confident that either bike will be a great all-rounder, but 
>>> the answers have also made me yearn for both!
>>>
>>> So, I am back to square one. Loving both bikes for their potential to 
>>> compliment one another, but having no idea which one I like best as an 
>>> all-rounder! Shallow me… the orange of the current Susie was easily tipping 
>>> the balance in that direction. When they announced the current colors, it 
>>> placed both bikes on equal ground. I have no doubt I will sweat it out 
>>> till the last minute! I also predict I will buy a lime green Susie in 2021, 
>>> then go nuts when an orange Platypus is released in 2022!!!
>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 11:27:52 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Both bike will do what you're looking for, and you wont come near the 
 limitations of either.

 I had a Susie and my fiancee has a Platy, both bikes handle the type of 
 riding you describe with ease.

 The Susie is more confidence inspiring off road and demands a larger 
 tire to take full advantage of its potential.

 The Platy has a more sophisticated look and handles on road riding in a 
 way that leaves you wanting for nothing.

 I didn't love the way a large load felt on the front of the Susie, 
 where as the Plat handles similar loads with ease.

 All said I'll be getting another Susie this round, one size up from my 
 previous size L.

 I'll also be keeping a close eye on the next bath of Platy's as well, I 
 feel there is enough difference between the two to justify owning both, 
 tho 
 I'm trying to keep it down to just one bike at a time.

 Best of luck with whatever you choose

 Jared in SLO





 On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thank you Joe. My hunch is that you are right. All Rivendell bikes are 
> multi-functional with the right components. I pulled the 2.2 tire size 
> out 
> of my head so that it would become a non-factor when making the 
> comparison. 
> I thought it was the largest Platypus could handle without fenders. Still 
> curious to hear about ride quality from real world experience. Anyone 
> riding a Susie for an afternoon over pavement? Or picking their Platypus 
> for off-road trails?
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:38:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Hi Laura, welcome!
>>
>> Tire size may be the decider for you since you mentioned 2.2. The max 
>> listed for Platy is 50mm, which works out to about 1.95 inches. The 
>> Susie 
>> goes to 2.8 so is definitely the way to go if you wants lots of air 
>> between 
>> trail and rim. 
>>
>> As for the question of which is a better all-rounder, the answer is 
>> both! Just about every Riv ever made - and certainly most of the current 
>> models - will happily do all the riding you've described, so I