Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 48cm Sam Hillborne

[G.E.]

--SOLD--  This one has found its new home! Yay :)

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 5:08:01 PM UTC-6 G.E. wrote:

> Certainly. If you have an address for shipping I can get an approximate 
> price for shipping cost.
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions about the bike.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 5:06 PM Ahmed Elgasseir  
> wrote:
>
>> Would you ship to San Mateo Ca? 
>>
>> Thx
>> A
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 3:34 PM G.E.  wrote:
>>
>>> Dropping the price to $1200. Contact with questions. Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 2:25:24 PM UTC-7 G.E. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just commenting to bump to the top. Also, the bike has now been cleaned 
>>>> since the ice has thawed (at least for a bit). :)
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 5:14:06 PM UTC-7 G.E. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am selling my 48cm Sam Hillborne. Never thought this day would come, 
>>>>> but here we are -- Must thin the herd. I am the original owner (purchased 
>>>>> in 2010). This is being sold as a full-build, as pictured. This bike has 
>>>>> been used and well-loved, but it has always been stored (when not in use) 
>>>>> indoors. Buyer should expect use marks on everything, paint chips, etc. 
>>>>> It's not beat up, but it was used.  I have many photos that are 
>>>>> closer-up, 
>>>>> so just reach out if you'd like details or more photos.
>>>>>
>>>>> - 48cm Samuel Hillborne frameset
>>>>> - 170mm Sugino crank with 46-36-26 (or 24) teeth (I need to verify the 
>>>>> little one, but if it makes a difference for you, just ask, and I'm happy 
>>>>> to double check)
>>>>> - Sora front derailleur
>>>>> - XT rear derailleur
>>>>> - Shimano bar end shifters (3x9)
>>>>> - Cassette is 11-32
>>>>> - Tektro cantilever brakes
>>>>> -  Nitto stem (5cm reach) - note that it is at its lowest point, but 
>>>>> could be raised higher, if needed/wanted
>>>>> - Schwalbe Marathon tires (650Bx42 - they only have about 10 miles on 
>>>>> them)
>>>>> - 650B wheelset (purchased from Rivendell after owning the bike for 
>>>>> several years... they may have a few hundred miles on them, at most)
>>>>> - Albatross handlebars (currently flipped upside down)
>>>>> - Brooks B-17 leather saddle
>>>>> - Nitto Campee rear rack
>>>>> - VP flat pedals
>>>>> - Two bottle cages; one of them is designed to hold a larger bottle, 
>>>>> the other is a standard King cage
>>>>> - Kickstand
>>>>> - Currently, the handlebars have leather bar tape that has been 
>>>>> well-loved ( new owner will likely want new bar tape, but I'm happy to 
>>>>> send 
>>>>> it along)
>>>>> - Nitto F15 Handlebar bag support. I have a bag I've used on this, and 
>>>>> am happy to send it along to the new owner, but be aware it has been 
>>>>> plastered with various patches over the years which may or may not be to 
>>>>> the new owner's liking. :-) It's a great bag though!
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything I've left out, please feel free to drop me a note. I'm asking 
>>>>> $1500 (buyer will pay exact shipping costs). The bike is not yet packed 
>>>>> up, 
>>>>> but if someone has interest, I can get a box and get it packed to get a 
>>>>> shipping quote. Also, I've given the Sam a wet wipe down, but note that 
>>>>> it 
>>>>> could use a "real" bath at some point. Everything is frozen here for the 
>>>>> foreseeable winter though, so I don't think I can make it happen at this 
>>>>> time.
>>>>> [image: SH1.jpg]
>>>>> [image: SH2.jpg]
>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 48cm Sam Hillborne

[G.E.]

Dropping the price to $1200. Contact with questions. Thanks!

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 2:25:24 PM UTC-7 G.E. wrote:

> Just commenting to bump to the top. Also, the bike has now been cleaned 
> since the ice has thawed (at least for a bit). :)
>
> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 5:14:06 PM UTC-7 G.E. wrote:
>
>> I am selling my 48cm Sam Hillborne. Never thought this day would come, 
>> but here we are -- Must thin the herd. I am the original owner (purchased 
>> in 2010). This is being sold as a full-build, as pictured. This bike has 
>> been used and well-loved, but it has always been stored (when not in use) 
>> indoors. Buyer should expect use marks on everything, paint chips, etc. 
>> It's not beat up, but it was used.  I have many photos that are closer-up, 
>> so just reach out if you'd like details or more photos.
>>
>> - 48cm Samuel Hillborne frameset
>> - 170mm Sugino crank with 46-36-26 (or 24) teeth (I need to verify the 
>> little one, but if it makes a difference for you, just ask, and I'm happy 
>> to double check)
>> - Sora front derailleur
>> - XT rear derailleur
>> - Shimano bar end shifters (3x9)
>> - Cassette is 11-32
>> - Tektro cantilever brakes
>> -  Nitto stem (5cm reach) - note that it is at its lowest point, but 
>> could be raised higher, if needed/wanted
>> - Schwalbe Marathon tires (650Bx42 - they only have about 10 miles on 
>> them)
>> - 650B wheelset (purchased from Rivendell after owning the bike for 
>> several years... they may have a few hundred miles on them, at most)
>> - Albatross handlebars (currently flipped upside down)
>> - Brooks B-17 leather saddle
>> - Nitto Campee rear rack
>> - VP flat pedals
>> - Two bottle cages; one of them is designed to hold a larger bottle, the 
>> other is a standard King cage
>> - Kickstand
>> - Currently, the handlebars have leather bar tape that has been 
>> well-loved ( new owner will likely want new bar tape, but I'm happy to send 
>> it along)
>> - Nitto F15 Handlebar bag support. I have a bag I've used on this, and am 
>> happy to send it along to the new owner, but be aware it has been plastered 
>> with various patches over the years which may or may not be to the new 
>> owner's liking. :-) It's a great bag though!
>>
>> Anything I've left out, please feel free to drop me a note. I'm asking 
>> $1500 (buyer will pay exact shipping costs). The bike is not yet packed up, 
>> but if someone has interest, I can get a box and get it packed to get a 
>> shipping quote. Also, I've given the Sam a wet wipe down, but note that it 
>> could use a "real" bath at some point. Everything is frozen here for the 
>> foreseeable winter though, so I don't think I can make it happen at this 
>> time.
>> [image: SH1.jpg]
>> [image: SH2.jpg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 48cm Sam Hillborne

[G.E.]

Just commenting to bump to the top. Also, the bike has now been cleaned 
since the ice has thawed (at least for a bit). :)

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 5:14:06 PM UTC-7 G.E. wrote:

> I am selling my 48cm Sam Hillborne. Never thought this day would come, but 
> here we are -- Must thin the herd. I am the original owner (purchased in 
> 2010). This is being sold as a full-build, as pictured. This bike has been 
> used and well-loved, but it has always been stored (when not in use) 
> indoors. Buyer should expect use marks on everything, paint chips, etc. 
> It's not beat up, but it was used.  I have many photos that are closer-up, 
> so just reach out if you'd like details or more photos.
>
> - 48cm Samuel Hillborne frameset
> - 170mm Sugino crank with 46-36-26 (or 24) teeth (I need to verify the 
> little one, but if it makes a difference for you, just ask, and I'm happy 
> to double check)
> - Sora front derailleur
> - XT rear derailleur
> - Shimano bar end shifters (3x9)
> - Cassette is 11-32
> - Tektro cantilever brakes
> -  Nitto stem (5cm reach) - note that it is at its lowest point, but could 
> be raised higher, if needed/wanted
> - Schwalbe Marathon tires (650Bx42 - they only have about 10 miles on them)
> - 650B wheelset (purchased from Rivendell after owning the bike for 
> several years... they may have a few hundred miles on them, at most)
> - Albatross handlebars (currently flipped upside down)
> - Brooks B-17 leather saddle
> - Nitto Campee rear rack
> - VP flat pedals
> - Two bottle cages; one of them is designed to hold a larger bottle, the 
> other is a standard King cage
> - Kickstand
> - Currently, the handlebars have leather bar tape that has been well-loved 
> ( new owner will likely want new bar tape, but I'm happy to send it along)
> - Nitto F15 Handlebar bag support. I have a bag I've used on this, and am 
> happy to send it along to the new owner, but be aware it has been plastered 
> with various patches over the years which may or may not be to the new 
> owner's liking. :-) It's a great bag though!
>
> Anything I've left out, please feel free to drop me a note. I'm asking 
> $1500 (buyer will pay exact shipping costs). The bike is not yet packed up, 
> but if someone has interest, I can get a box and get it packed to get a 
> shipping quote. Also, I've given the Sam a wet wipe down, but note that it 
> could use a "real" bath at some point. Everything is frozen here for the 
> foreseeable winter though, so I don't think I can make it happen at this 
> time.
> [image: SH1.jpg]
> [image: SH2.jpg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB small Atlantis or Appaloosa

[G.E.]

Hey... Not sure if you're still looking at buying a Riv, but I have a 2010 
Hillborne in 48cm size (orange) that I'm getting ready to sell. It's a full 
build, so it would have all the parts, unless someone has the parts they 
want, in which case I will consider just selling the frameset. Let me know 
if you have interest, but hopefully, you've already found what you were 
looking for.  :)

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:35:56 AM UTC-7 Keith Weaver wrote:

> Hi all,
> I've been agonizing over trying to buy a Sam Hillborne today, and I think 
> I've decided it doesn't quite fit what I want. Really the only space in my 
> bike stable would be if I could replace my Surly Disc Trucker. I think I 
> shouldn't try to make the Hillborne fit into that slot, when it isn't 
> intended to be a fully loaded touring bike (feel free to tell me I'm 
> wrong...). 
>
> So, it seems that the Appaloosa or Atlantis is really what I need. Does 
> anyone have a small one they're looking to move along? I have a 78 cm PBH, 
> so the smallest size of the latest generation would be what I'm looking 
> for. I would also be interested in older generations as well, if available. 
> A frameset or a full build would both be of interest to me.
>
> Good luck to all who are going for a Hillborne today!
> Keith in Reno
>

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[RBW] Re: Crash Inspection Advice

[G.E.]

First and foremost, I am glad that you have come through surgery okay. What 
a terrifying, anger-inducing incident!

I don't understand what is going on in the world... I don't think this is 
an issue specific to your locale, but rather seems to be something so many 
are experiencing across the US. It's unfortunate that these young people 
found it acceptable to behave in such an obviously intimidating and 
destructive manner. The fact that others experienced similar issues the 
same days speaks volumes to their intent and I do hope that there will be 
restitution for you (and perhaps even others who seem to have been 
assaulted as well).

I think others have well-described the parts/pieces to have checked and it 
seems as though you've found a shop to help you, but I think like others 
here, I am just in shock at the way people will behave (and it was learned 
somewhere, which means there are others, older perhaps, who behave in a 
similar manner).

Be well... and I hope you are able to get back to riding very soon.

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:50:20 PM UTC-7 Litho wrote:

> **Cross-posted from FB Riv Page**
>
> Hello All. Looking for a little expertise / advice on my Riv. I was in a 
> collision on my Appaloosa last week. A group of kids on bikes deliberately 
> rammed into me on a multi-use trail here in Napa. My handlebars took the 
> brunt of the initial impact, but me and the bike went tumbling across the 
> pavement and into the road that parallels the trail. Unfortunately my hand 
> was on the brake lever at the time and was crushed in between. I have 
> surgery this week to repair the fractures and rebuild the joint on my 
> knuckle. 
>
> I'm trying to assess all of the damage for the police report. The front 
> and rear derailers were bent and scraped, the rear derailer hanger is 
> slightly bent, but should be easy to straighten. There are numerous 
> scratches, chips, and a couple of small dents on the frame, but I don't see 
> any visible cracks or deformations anywhere. The brake lever was rotated on 
> the bars but doesn't seem to be broken. The stem and bars were knocked 90 
> degrees in the initial impact but don't have any visible damage.  
>
> Anything you would recommend checking or inspecting? The damage may just 
> be cosmetic, but I don't want to overlook anything. Hopefully, I'll just 
> end up with some glorious beausage and a good story.
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO Homer Hilsen size 46

[G.E.]

G.E. here! :-)  The Saluki sold really quickly, and I'm not sure if I still 
have the contact info. His name was Eric, I remember that much, and he 
seemed really happy with the bike (he did send a follow up note, as I 
recall, just to let me know that he was enjoying it), so I'm not sure that 
he would be willing to sell it but, I suppose one never knows.

Good luck with your hunt. The smaller Riv's can be tough to find 
secondhand, but they do pop up now and again if you keep your eyes open. 
The Saluki was a lovely bike, but it was too much of a duplicate for my 
bike fold, which is why I ended up selling it.

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 11:57:29 AM UTC-6, Sean Steinle wrote:
>
> The blog EndlessVeloLove had a 47cm Saluki they sold like two years ago: 
> http://endlessvelolove.blogspot.com/2017/07/blast-from-past-former-rivendell-returns.html
>  
>
> They also post here sometimes as G.E. It might be worth shooting them a 
> message, if they still have the buyer's info, maybe they could contact them 
> to let them know if they're ever interesting in selling, that they know 
> someone who's looking? Maybe that's too weird? I don't know, two years is a 
> long time in the bike world, and I've found that wanting to sell something 
> doesn't always translate into actually listing it. People let stuff linger 
> in the garages/basemenst for months and years before finally selling it. 
>
> On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 3:35:47 PM UTC-5, Rachel Fritz wrote:
>>
>> The Homer Hilsen looks like the perfect bike for me, but they no longer 
>> make it small enough! Help! Anyone have a size 46 they’re looking To Sell? 
>> I’m in the Seattle area. Let me know! 
>>
>> Rachel
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Almost FS: Riv Hubbuhubbuh (HHH) tandem, size small

[G.E.]

Thank you to all who expressed interest in the HHH. It is now sold and on 
its way to its new home! :-)

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[RBW] Re: Almost FS: Riv Hubbuhubbuh (HHH) tandem, size small

[G.E.]

Thanks for your message, Manny, and my apologies for the delay in response 
(you should have it now, but let me know if you didn't receive it). 

On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 10:35:40 AM UTC-6, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Email sent 
>
> On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 7:36:57 AM UTC-7, G.E. wrote:
>>
>> Last night, we attempted to get as many photos taken of the HHH as it 
>> will be sold before our rain started (again), so I must apologize if they 
>> seem a bit haphazard, but hopefully, we were able to capture as many areas 
>> as possible to get a clear idea of this tandem. The photos can be found 
>> here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/54032207@N04/albums/72157708525351885
>>
>> Additionally, I should point out that the fenders are not currently on 
>> the tandem. They are Velo Orange fenders (they are these 
>> <https://velo-orange.com/collections/650b-fenders/products/vo-polished-52mm-zeppelin-fenders-650b>)
>>  
>> and my wonderful hubby was running short on time and wasn't able to put 
>> them on the bike prior to photos (plus, he figured that they'd likely need 
>> to come off again for shipping purposes, regardless). If anyone needs/wants 
>> a photo of them, I'm happy to get that, so just let me know. Otherwise, the 
>> bike is pictured as it will be sold.
>>
>> Just one more note, I had stated that there is an approx. 1 in scratch 
>> across the top tube, but I also noticed some "hazing" from a couple of bags 
>> that have been placed on the bike. They are REALLY difficult to get a photo 
>> of, but you can get an idea in the one photo that has the red arrow 
>> pointing to a spot. There are actually two of these: one is just under the 
>> stoker handlebars from a bag we were using there and the other is in the 
>> triangle between the captain's seat tube and the bottom tube running back 
>> to the stoker area (again, there was a bag placed in this area). The paint 
>> is still good in these areas, but it may have rubbed some of the clear 
>> which has created the hazing.
>>
>> Thanks again to all!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 5:38:50 PM UTC-6, G.E. wrote:
>>>
>>> My husband and I bought a HHH (Hubbuhubbuh) tandem from Rivendell to try 
>>> out our interest in riding a tandem. Neither of us had ridden one prior, 
>>> but it seemed like it would be a good, stable option to try out this 
>>> new-for-us way to ride. I was fairly certain that we probably wouldn't take 
>>> to it, or at best would ride it infrequently, but as it turned out, we 
>>> really enjoyed riding together this way. Shortly after purchasing the HHH, 
>>> we knew that the bike was too big for us so we looked into having a custom 
>>> tandem made. Our intention was to keep both and use them for different 
>>> purposes, but the reality is that the HHH doesn't suit the style of riding 
>>> we primarily do on the tandem and in truth it is too big for either of us 
>>> to captain comfortably. I was hesitant to let go of the HHH because it took 
>>> us awhile to get the custom tandem dialed in but now that we've been riding 
>>> that one for a year and have found a comfortable place with it, we both 
>>> have realized that the Hubbuh just isn't suited to our needs/height/leg 
>>> length/etc. While it is super fun and easy to ride, it's getting difficult 
>>> to store two tandems and it's time to look at letting this go. 
>>>
>>> Although the HHH is not officially for sale as of yet (thus, no photos 
>>> quite yet), we are preparing to put it up and wanted to place info here 
>>> first so that anyone who may have interest can be on the look out or ask 
>>> any questions they may have. Here are some details, and of course, feel 
>>> free to ask any questions here or DM me.
>>>
>>> - Size Small Hubbuhubbuh (it's the darker blue, kind of slate blue 
>>> color, not sage or orange)
>>>
>>> - 650b wheels (purchased from Rivendell as part of the tandem package)
>>>
>>> - Schwalbe Marathon 650x42 tires (these will probably need to be 
>>> replaced in the relatively near future, but they've sure been darn tough! 
>>> Never had a flat - knock on wood). We put these narrower-than-intended 
>>> tires on it due to height/standover issues, but it will take a much wider 
>>> tire (I believe up to 60mm) for a normal-height person. For reference 
>>> purposes, the captain is apprx. 5'3.75" with a 76 PBH (can JUST straddle 
>>> the top tube - barely - in the captain position) and stoker is 5'1" with a 
>>>

[RBW] Re: Almost FS: Riv Hubbuhubbuh (HHH) tandem, size small

[G.E.]

Last night, we attempted to get as many photos taken of the HHH as it will 
be sold before our rain started (again), so I must apologize if they seem a 
bit haphazard, but hopefully, we were able to capture as many areas as 
possible to get a clear idea of this tandem. The photos can be found here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54032207@N04/albums/72157708525351885

Additionally, I should point out that the fenders are not currently on the 
tandem. They are Velo Orange fenders (they are these 
<https://velo-orange.com/collections/650b-fenders/products/vo-polished-52mm-zeppelin-fenders-650b>)
 
and my wonderful hubby was running short on time and wasn't able to put 
them on the bike prior to photos (plus, he figured that they'd likely need 
to come off again for shipping purposes, regardless). If anyone needs/wants 
a photo of them, I'm happy to get that, so just let me know. Otherwise, the 
bike is pictured as it will be sold.

Just one more note, I had stated that there is an approx. 1 in scratch 
across the top tube, but I also noticed some "hazing" from a couple of bags 
that have been placed on the bike. They are REALLY difficult to get a photo 
of, but you can get an idea in the one photo that has the red arrow 
pointing to a spot. There are actually two of these: one is just under the 
stoker handlebars from a bag we were using there and the other is in the 
triangle between the captain's seat tube and the bottom tube running back 
to the stoker area (again, there was a bag placed in this area). The paint 
is still good in these areas, but it may have rubbed some of the clear 
which has created the hazing.

Thanks again to all!

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 5:38:50 PM UTC-6, G.E. wrote:
>
> My husband and I bought a HHH (Hubbuhubbuh) tandem from Rivendell to try 
> out our interest in riding a tandem. Neither of us had ridden one prior, 
> but it seemed like it would be a good, stable option to try out this 
> new-for-us way to ride. I was fairly certain that we probably wouldn't take 
> to it, or at best would ride it infrequently, but as it turned out, we 
> really enjoyed riding together this way. Shortly after purchasing the HHH, 
> we knew that the bike was too big for us so we looked into having a custom 
> tandem made. Our intention was to keep both and use them for different 
> purposes, but the reality is that the HHH doesn't suit the style of riding 
> we primarily do on the tandem and in truth it is too big for either of us 
> to captain comfortably. I was hesitant to let go of the HHH because it took 
> us awhile to get the custom tandem dialed in but now that we've been riding 
> that one for a year and have found a comfortable place with it, we both 
> have realized that the Hubbuh just isn't suited to our needs/height/leg 
> length/etc. While it is super fun and easy to ride, it's getting difficult 
> to store two tandems and it's time to look at letting this go. 
>
> Although the HHH is not officially for sale as of yet (thus, no photos 
> quite yet), we are preparing to put it up and wanted to place info here 
> first so that anyone who may have interest can be on the look out or ask 
> any questions they may have. Here are some details, and of course, feel 
> free to ask any questions here or DM me.
>
> - Size Small Hubbuhubbuh (it's the darker blue, kind of slate blue color, 
> not sage or orange)
>
> - 650b wheels (purchased from Rivendell as part of the tandem package)
>
> - Schwalbe Marathon 650x42 tires (these will probably need to be replaced 
> in the relatively near future, but they've sure been darn tough! Never had 
> a flat - knock on wood). We put these narrower-than-intended tires on it 
> due to height/standover issues, but it will take a much wider tire (I 
> believe up to 60mm) for a normal-height person. For reference purposes, the 
> captain is apprx. 5'3.75" with a 76 PBH (can JUST straddle the top tube - 
> barely - in the captain position) and stoker is 5'1" with a 69 PBH (has no 
> problems at all standing over rear top tube)
>
> - One set of Albatross bars and one set of Bosco bars
>
> -The drivetrain is set up as was recommended by Riv, and has 3x9 bar-ends; 
> we did switch out the cog on the crank to a 50t (rather than the 46t that 
> came on it) because we were spinning out often; however, we can include the 
> 46t ring with the sale so the future owner will have the option to go back 
> to the smaller ring, if needed/wanted. So, at the moment it's running 
> 50-36-26 (or it may be a 24, I need to double check). The cassette is 
> 11-32. 
>
> - Cranks are both 170mm, purchased from Riv.
>
> - Ours was set up so that the disc (intended to be used as the drag brake) 
> is used as the rear brake and a v-brake is used in the front. This could be 
> fairly easily changed

[RBW] Re: Almost FS: Riv Hubbuhubbuh (HHH) tandem, size small

[G.E.]

Max,

I'm glad to see we're not the only ones who find this to be a fun tandem. 
:-) I wish it fit us a bit better (the curse of being shorter people, 
unfortunately), though we understand that most duos would not both be under 
5'4". 

Hope you continue to enjoy your HHH!

On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 1:46:00 AM UTC-6, Max S wrote:
>
> We have one and ride with spouse / kids – it's the one pastime everyone in 
> the family enjoys equally well. Fantastic price for a rare tandem that is 
> very easy to ride. It also has many neat details that you start to notice 
> up-close and with prolonged use. Someone should jump on this.  
>
> - Max (if only there was a folding / travel version of this...) 
>
>
> On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 1:38:50 AM UTC+2, G.E. wrote:
>>
>> My husband and I bought a HHH (Hubbuhubbuh) tandem from Rivendell to try 
>> out our interest in riding a tandem. Neither of us had ridden one prior, 
>> but it seemed like it would be a good, stable option to try out this 
>> new-for-us way to ride. I was fairly certain that we probably wouldn't take 
>> to it, or at best would ride it infrequently, but as it turned out, we 
>> really enjoyed riding together this way. Shortly after purchasing the HHH, 
>> we knew that the bike was too big for us so we looked into having a custom 
>> tandem made. Our intention was to keep both and use them for different 
>> purposes, but the reality is that the HHH doesn't suit the style of riding 
>> we primarily do on the tandem and in truth it is too big for either of us 
>> to captain comfortably. I was hesitant to let go of the HHH because it took 
>> us awhile to get the custom tandem dialed in but now that we've been riding 
>> that one for a year and have found a comfortable place with it, we both 
>> have realized that the Hubbuh just isn't suited to our needs/height/leg 
>> length/etc. While it is super fun and easy to ride, it's getting difficult 
>> to store two tandems and it's time to look at letting this go. 
>>
>> Although the HHH is not officially for sale as of yet (thus, no photos 
>> quite yet), we are preparing to put it up and wanted to place info here 
>> first so that anyone who may have interest can be on the look out or ask 
>> any questions they may have. Here are some details, and of course, feel 
>> free to ask any questions here or DM me.
>>
>> - Size Small Hubbuhubbuh (it's the darker blue, kind of slate blue color, 
>> not sage or orange)
>>
>> - 650b wheels (purchased from Rivendell as part of the tandem package)
>>
>> - Schwalbe Marathon 650x42 tires (these will probably need to be replaced 
>> in the relatively near future, but they've sure been darn tough! Never had 
>> a flat - knock on wood). We put these narrower-than-intended tires on it 
>> due to height/standover issues, but it will take a much wider tire (I 
>> believe up to 60mm) for a normal-height person. For reference purposes, the 
>> captain is apprx. 5'3.75" with a 76 PBH (can JUST straddle the top tube - 
>> barely - in the captain position) and stoker is 5'1" with a 69 PBH (has no 
>> problems at all standing over rear top tube)
>>
>> - One set of Albatross bars and one set of Bosco bars
>>
>> -The drivetrain is set up as was recommended by Riv, and has 3x9 
>> bar-ends; we did switch out the cog on the crank to a 50t (rather than the 
>> 46t that came on it) because we were spinning out often; however, we can 
>> include the 46t ring with the sale so the future owner will have the option 
>> to go back to the smaller ring, if needed/wanted. So, at the moment it's 
>> running 50-36-26 (or it may be a 24, I need to double check). The cassette 
>> is 11-32. 
>>
>> - Cranks are both 170mm, purchased from Riv.
>>
>> - Ours was set up so that the disc (intended to be used as the drag 
>> brake) is used as the rear brake and a v-brake is used in the front. This 
>> could be fairly easily changed out if the new owner desires, but this is 
>> the current set up and how it will be sold.
>>
>> - The tandem *will not* be sold with any racks, bags, baskets, etc.   
>>
>> - It *will* come with fenders, two bottle cages, double kickstand, 
>> pedals and saddles. The pedals and saddles are nothing to write home 
>> about... they are extras that we have, not Brooks or leather saddles, nor 
>> anything fancy in the pedal department... it will simply make it easier for 
>> the new owner to have something to ride the bike and not have to 
>> immediately purchase something.
>>
>> - There is a scratch across the top tube in the captain position from the 

Re: [RBW] Almost FS: Riv Hubbuhubbuh (HHH) tandem, size small

[G.E.]

Patrick,

I am a rambler (both in writing and sometimes in everyday life too). :-) I 
try to keep this bad habit in check, but it's not always possible. My 
grandmother was an English teacher and used to send me back the letters I'd 
sent to her with all of the punctuation and grammar corrections -- I still 
don't get many things right, even several decades later! ha ha  

I am not a professional writer; though, like you, I used to help others 
with their resumes (I was a recruiter and HR manager for several years). I 
still assist others on occasion even today, but it's generally just to help 
out a friend (or a friend of a friend). I do enjoy writing when I can and 
when I was in high school one of my dream occupations was to be a travel 
writer. My mother told me I didn't have enough life experience to write, so 
I wrote in journals and kept my thoughts for myself (sadly, I lost most of 
those journals many years ago). I do have the great privilege of being able 
to work as an artist today, which was also a life-long dream. I find a lot 
of connections between writing and creating forms (I work with clay and 
occasionally paint), even though these two areas don't necessarily seem 
similar on the surface. 

I am grateful that you saw clarity in my words because (as stated above) I 
tend to ramble and sometimes worry that my point isn't clear. Maybe grandma 
helped more than I believe! :-)

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 6:50:00 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I don't need a tandem, but I was struck by the quality -- clarity and 
> precision -- of your prose. Are you a professional writer of some sort? 
> Just curious, is all.
>
> I for my sins have been fated to write executive resumes (I can't 
> complain; it pays well, lets me work at home, and I'm good at it) but I do 
> read reams of incredibly bad* prose from highly paid executives, so prose 
> that is clearer than the usual stands out.
>
> * Not only prolix and vague, but very often lacking almost minimum 
> intelligibility -- jargon with no context; one saleable skill I have is 
> enough general business knowledge that I can "create content on the fly" 
> and this, oddly, usually gains praise. (I don't lie, though.)
>
> Segwaying, and not addressed to GEC in particular: good narration, 
> especially traven narration, involves more than grammar and vocabulary; it 
> involves a certain imagination, and thus a sufficiently formed world view. 
> It is a lack of this that has made some bicycle travel writing that could 
> have been very entertaining instead very dull.
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 5:38 PM G.E. > 
> wrote:
>
>> My husband and I bought a HHH (Hubbuhubbuh) tandem from Rivendell to try 
>> out our interest in riding a tandem. Neither of us had ridden one prior, 
>> but it seemed like it would be a good, stable option to try out this 
>> new-for-us way to ride. I was fairly certain that we probably wouldn't take 
>> to it, or at best would ride it infrequently, but as it turned out, we 
>> really enjoyed riding together this way. Shortly after purchasing the HHH, 
>> we knew that the bike was too big for us so we looked into having a custom 
>> tandem made. Our intention was to keep both and use them for different 
>> purposes, but the reality is that the HHH doesn't suit the style of riding 
>> we primarily do on the tandem and in truth it is too big for either of us 
>> to captain comfortably. I was hesitant to let go of the HHH because it took 
>> us awhile to get the custom tandem dialed in but now that we've been riding 
>> that one for a year and have found a comfortable place with it, we both 
>> have realized that the Hubbuh just isn't suited to our needs/height/leg 
>> length/etc. While it is super fun and easy to ride, it's getting difficult 
>> to store two tandems and it's time to look at letting this go. 
>>
>> Although the HHH is not officially for sale as of yet (thus, no photos 
>> quite yet), we are preparing to put it up and wanted to place info here 
>> first so that anyone who may have interest can be on the look out or ask 
>> any questions they may have. Here are some details, and of course, feel 
>> free to ask any questions here or DM me.
>>
>> - Size Small Hubbuhubbuh (it's the darker blue, kind of slate blue color, 
>> not sage or orange)
>>
>> - 650b wheels (purchased from Rivendell as part of the tandem package)
>>
>> - Schwalbe Marathon 650x42 tires (these will probably need to be replaced 
>> in the relatively near future, but they've sure been darn tough! Never had 
>> a flat - knock on wood). We put these narrower-than-intended tires on it 
>> due to height/standover issues, but it will take a much wider tire (I 
>> believe up to 

[RBW] Re: Almost FS: Riv Hubbuhubbuh (HHH) tandem, size small

[G.E.]

The tandem is in Colorado. We've assumed it will likely need to be shipped 
as finding a local buyer is (probably) unlikely.

On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 6:31:14 PM UTC-6, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Where is it located?  Beautiful bike. 

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[RBW] Almost FS: Riv Hubbuhubbuh (HHH) tandem, size small

[G.E.]

My husband and I bought a HHH (Hubbuhubbuh) tandem from Rivendell to try 
out our interest in riding a tandem. Neither of us had ridden one prior, 
but it seemed like it would be a good, stable option to try out this 
new-for-us way to ride. I was fairly certain that we probably wouldn't take 
to it, or at best would ride it infrequently, but as it turned out, we 
really enjoyed riding together this way. Shortly after purchasing the HHH, 
we knew that the bike was too big for us so we looked into having a custom 
tandem made. Our intention was to keep both and use them for different 
purposes, but the reality is that the HHH doesn't suit the style of riding 
we primarily do on the tandem and in truth it is too big for either of us 
to captain comfortably. I was hesitant to let go of the HHH because it took 
us awhile to get the custom tandem dialed in but now that we've been riding 
that one for a year and have found a comfortable place with it, we both 
have realized that the Hubbuh just isn't suited to our needs/height/leg 
length/etc. While it is super fun and easy to ride, it's getting difficult 
to store two tandems and it's time to look at letting this go. 

Although the HHH is not officially for sale as of yet (thus, no photos 
quite yet), we are preparing to put it up and wanted to place info here 
first so that anyone who may have interest can be on the look out or ask 
any questions they may have. Here are some details, and of course, feel 
free to ask any questions here or DM me.

- Size Small Hubbuhubbuh (it's the darker blue, kind of slate blue color, 
not sage or orange)

- 650b wheels (purchased from Rivendell as part of the tandem package)

- Schwalbe Marathon 650x42 tires (these will probably need to be replaced 
in the relatively near future, but they've sure been darn tough! Never had 
a flat - knock on wood). We put these narrower-than-intended tires on it 
due to height/standover issues, but it will take a much wider tire (I 
believe up to 60mm) for a normal-height person. For reference purposes, the 
captain is apprx. 5'3.75" with a 76 PBH (can JUST straddle the top tube - 
barely - in the captain position) and stoker is 5'1" with a 69 PBH (has no 
problems at all standing over rear top tube)

- One set of Albatross bars and one set of Bosco bars

-The drivetrain is set up as was recommended by Riv, and has 3x9 bar-ends; 
we did switch out the cog on the crank to a 50t (rather than the 46t that 
came on it) because we were spinning out often; however, we can include the 
46t ring with the sale so the future owner will have the option to go back 
to the smaller ring, if needed/wanted. So, at the moment it's running 
50-36-26 (or it may be a 24, I need to double check). The cassette is 
11-32. 

- Cranks are both 170mm, purchased from Riv.

- Ours was set up so that the disc (intended to be used as the drag brake) 
is used as the rear brake and a v-brake is used in the front. This could be 
fairly easily changed out if the new owner desires, but this is the current 
set up and how it will be sold.

- The tandem *will not* be sold with any racks, bags, baskets, etc.   

- It *will* come with fenders, two bottle cages, double kickstand, pedals 
and saddles. The pedals and saddles are nothing to write home about... they 
are extras that we have, not Brooks or leather saddles, nor anything fancy 
in the pedal department... it will simply make it easier for the new owner 
to have something to ride the bike and not have to immediately purchase 
something.

- There is a scratch across the top tube in the captain position from the 
mirror on the handlebar running across it once when the bike was unsettled 
after stopping. The scratch has not gone through the primer, but is visible 
(I'd say it's about an inch long, running perpendicular to the direction of 
the top tube). Additionally, we only have one headbadge as the second was 
crushed in shipment (I believe these can still be ordered from Riv, but am 
not certain).

[image: HHH.jpg]
In short, we have thoroughly enjoyed this bike, but it's time for us to let 
it move on to someone who can utilize it. I've attached a photo from one of 
our rides over the winter, just to give some idea of what the bike looks 
like, but it will have some different parts than are pictured here (most of 
which have been indicated above). We haven't settled on a selling price, 
but I'm thinking it will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $2500. 
Shipping is going to be the biggest expense and P.I.T.A., but we'll get it 
figured out (likely in two boxes with wheels in one and the frame in 
another). I will do my best to get this posted with photos for anyone who 
has interest and will likely just add a reply in this post so as to not 
clutter up anyone's feed too much. :-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hiluki vintage ??

[G.E.]

This is just a "for what it may be worth" comment...

I purchased a NOS Saluki from Riv in 2017 and because it was unpainted they 
told me I could have it decaled/headbadged with either Saluki or AHH info - 
my choice. Sooo... I'm thinking they may have Saluki headbadges around 
somewhere that they'd be willing to sell.

On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 10:13:58 AM UTC-6, Sean Steinle wrote:
>
> following up: UPS man came early so I ducked out of work for half an hour 
> to put the bike inside, as it was propped up against my garage with nobody 
> home for delivery.
>
> My bike seems to be an enigma in all ways. So, here's what we have:
>
> 58cm 650b Hilsen
> early SA serial number (so confirmed Toyo build)
> Saluki fork crown, like this: 
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr38_pg45.jpg
> AHH decals and headbadge
> and to top things off, it's the lighter, Waterford Hilsen blue, not the 
> darker Toyo.
>
> Previous owner is a list member, and he's promised to tell me the history 
> of the bike when he gets a break for work. I suppose it's possible someone 
> just repainted and rebadged an old Saluki. I also wonder if Riv had an 
> unpainted Saluki frame lying around, and decided to make it a Hilsen?
>
> Either way, I'm excited by my findings, because A) I like unique things 
> with interesting histories, and B) I prefer the decals and headbadge of the 
> Saluki, so I thought about reaching out to the folks at RBW to see if they 
> still had any Saluki headbadges, and whether they'd sell me one for this 
> bike. That way, when the day comes to repaint, I can reincarnate it back to 
> it's 'original' form. I can't see why they wouldn't sell me one, if they 
> have them, but, who knows!
>
> Sean
>
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 9:47:53 AM UTC-5, Sean Steinle wrote:
>>
>> One thing that doesn't seem to get discussed with rebadged Salukis/early 
>> Toyo Hilsens is the fork crown. Does that have any meaning, or did they 
>> vary based on stock they needed to get rid of? All of the Toyo Hilsen's I 
>> see pics of seem to have the swirly fork crown. But, the Salukis had the 
>> style like this: http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr38_pg45.jpg
>>
>> I'm actually taking delivery today of an old 58cm 650b Hilsen, which has 
>> the Saluki/Waterford Hilsen fork crown, but the owner said it's actually 
>> one of the earliest 650b Toyo Hilsens. I'll see what the BB stamp looks 
>> like when I get home tonight. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Long shot: 52 Clem L in Butternut

[G.E.]

You think Igor ever sold 
his? https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/2F-ClWUkDJI/dXKyqDVRAAAJ  
It's not the butternut, but if he still has it, might be had for a good 
deal? Just a thought.

On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 5:01:14 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Today marks the first day it was warm enough in Mnpls for my sister to do 
> her 7 mile bike commute. She stole her husband’s Clem L in 59 cm as he 
> wasn’t riding it today and it is significantly nicer than her old red 
> Birea. She was nervous about being late for work today and nearly talked 
> herself out of biking, but for whatever reason, she slammed the saddle and 
> took off down her unfairly gorgeous bike superhighway. She called me 
> mid-ride screeching with joy. She was effortlessly flying down the road, 
> eating up the miles and was, for the first time ever, FAST. She was just 
> delighted and when she was done raving to me, she informed her husband she 
> would be the one riding his bike to work now. He objected but encouraged 
> her to purchase her own Rivendell Clem L. 
>
> You guys. I have checked everywhere and RBW and their dealers are OUT of 
> 52s. 718 initially told us they had a Butternut in 52, but alas, turns out 
> it was the Clem H. Butternut is her absolute favorite color. Which brings 
> me to this. 
>
> Does anyone have a like-new butternut 52 Clem L that they might part with? 
> She’s a little skittish about buying used and trusting someone with this 
> much cash, but I think you’re good folks. If not, she’ll probably get one 
> later this summer in whatever color is offered. But July is a long time to 
> wait. 
>
> Thanks! 
> Leah

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[RBW] Re: Winter wool baselayer rec needed

[G.E.]

I have been a big fan of Ibex for a number of years. As stated by another, 
they are no longer in business, however, you can often find lightly used 
(or sometimes, even new) items on eBay. This time of year, I have at least 
1 piece of Ibex on my body on any given day. Their pieces have lasted 
several years for me. I also have Smartwool pieces, and although they tend 
to be a little softer, Ibex still wins for me. I've also bought from Minus 
33 (I have some leggings from them that I've owned for two winters and 
they're still in good shape, having worn them nearly every day for about 
3-4 months out of the year). There are other brands, like Voormi you could 
look to (though I've never purchased from them, so I'm just putting it out 
there as a suggestion to try) or Woolx.
>
>
As far as which weight to get, that (at least to me) can be very personal. 
I have lightweight wool and midweight and tend to wear pieces alone and 
layered, depending on the conditions and temperatures for the day. Today, 
it's in the low 20s F here and it's snowing, so I'll be wearing multiple 
layers outside to keep warm, with a jacket over the top.  I have found that 
the lighter weight pieces tend to get holes quicker, especially if they are 
pieces I'm harder on.

I sweat quite a bit in my wool when engaged in activities and if I hang it 
up and let the wool air out, I can wear the pieces multiple times before 
washing them. My husband, however, washes his pieces nearly every time he 
wears them, so perhaps this is just personal preference or amount of sweat 
produced by individual bodies. As has been pointed out, the wool will feel 
different though after wearing it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Whoah! 1 x 12?????

[G.E.]

I had a bar-end, 11-speed, friction shifting set up for a time and it 
wasn't bad. I ended up not keeping the bike (not because of the shifting, 
but due to overlap with other bikes), but I'd do it again on a bike, if it 
made sense for the set up Though, I frankly think the 2x10 was just as 
good, so not sure that extra really did much for me. But, I also think my 
3x9 works well too! :)

On Thursday, November 8, 2018 at 11:23:27 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Speaking of 'many-cogs," does anyone shift 11 in friction? 12? How do you 
> find it?
>
> Patrick Moore, who finds shifting 10 with Bar Cons quite easy.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv HHH Tandem (small)

[G.E.]

Besides posting the HHH here, you might try putting up a post on tandem 
classifieds  or the tandem club 
classifieds  (if you 
haven't already). Just a thought... you'll probably get more of a response 
here, but you never know.

On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 10:46:46 AM UTC-6, David Crowell wrote:
>
> Due to life changes, this bike has barely been ridden.  It's a small size 
> (Grant's recommendation: I'm 5'10", my wife, 5'1") blue-ish color.  SON 
> hub, rear disc brake, Schwalbe SuperMoto tires, Brooks saddles.  It's been 
> parked in my kitchen for nearly a year.  
>
> I don't have any pictures available right now, but can later, if there's 
> interest.
>
> I'll let it go for a steal.  $2500 firm.  I'm not sure about shipping - 
> it's too big.  I'm in Louisville, KY, and would be willing to haul it a 
> reasonable distance.
>

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Re: [RBW] HHH Run?

[G.E.]

My PBH is just shy of 77cm (just under 30in) and there is absolutely no 
extra room for stand over... I even lean the tandem a bit when stopped to 
keep me comfortable (and that's with 42mm tires). It only works because we 
both dismount at stops. It's truly too large for someone of my height and 
PBH, but it hasn't been a problem with starts or stops to date. The biggest 
issue is really when riding distance because it's just such a stretch. 
Ideally (for me anyway), the captain position would be smaller, but we've 
made it work. :)

On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 8:51:58 PM UTC-6, Ginz wrote:
>
> I could probably survive with a stand over of close to 30” but, with a 
> tandem, wouldn’t I want some more? To be able to dismount more easily? 
> Feels like it would be a lot to handle. 

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[RBW] Re: HHH Run?

[G.E.]

I am just under 5'4" and ride as captain on a small HHH with my stoker 
being 5'1". It is definitely a stretch (and the standover is VERY close - 
for me, not the stoker) and I wish that there'd been an "extra small" size. 
I was kind of hoping with another possible run there would be an 
announcement of a smaller size, but I know that most bike manufacturers say 
smaller sizes just don't sell. :(  It's a definite bummer for those of us 
who need them though. 

That said, we have about 1500 miles on our HHH, so we do ride it a fairly 
significant amount. Can't seem to get over that 55 mile mark on a single 
ride though because the stretch really is a bit much. Still, so much fun to 
ride!

On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 9:34:30 AM UTC-6, Ginz wrote:
>
> Looks like there may be another run of the HHH tandem, maybe possibly.
>
> Man, if they could do the Gus Boots curved top-tube to increase the 
> standover for smaller riders (5'4"), I'd seriously consider buying one, 
> hanging it in my basement and awaiting the growth of my kids.  
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brisk start to Coffeeneuring 2018

[G.E.]

Dig those boot covers! Might need to look into something like that as the 
snow seems to be coming, whether I'm ready or not. :) 

Looks like a fun start to the Coffeeneuring challenge!!

On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 3:57:39 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Starting off right in the highlands of Colorado with a climb up from a 
> balmy 15˚F at 7,800 ft. to a brisk 0˚F at 9,200 ft with flurries. Here’s my 
> log (they’ll all be in this same post): 
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/coffeeneuring-challenge-2018/
>
> Looking forward to what the weather brings for the next six! 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] FS: 47cm Rivendell Roadini

[G.E.]

After purchasing a Rivendell Roadini, I quickly realized that it is a 
near-duplicate of another bike I own. Since I've been clearing things out 
and trying to get to a reasonable number of bikes, this one is on the 
chopping block. 

Here are the quick stats, for anyone who may be interested:

47cm Rivendell Roadini frame/fork
Pacenti Brevet 650B wheelset
Continental 650Bx32 tires 
Bar-end shifters, 3x9 drivetrain with Sugino 170 crank
Tektro mid-reach brake calipers; Origin 8 brake levers
Ultegra front derailleur
Deore rear derailleur

Frame/fork and wheels have less than 100 miles.

Photos can be seen 
here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/54032207@N04/albums/72157702339545464

Asking $1100 for the full build (minus pedals, saddle and bottle cage) + 
$100 for continental US shipping.

Thanks! :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b narrow tires

[G.E.]

I'm going to be singing, "C is for cookie" all day long... so thanks for 
that earworm. :)

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 11:02:29 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
> 
> 
> As for the Terry tire being 650c/571 . "c" *must* be for *Cookie* ;-)
> Cookie Cookie Cookie !  more Cookies !
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b narrow tires

[G.E.]

So, yes, it's a small road bike that happens to have 650b wheels. I have 
had 650c wheels as well on another bike... and there aren't a ton of 
options there either. It's almost the opposite problem though. One can find 
narrower 650c tires, but finding wider ones becomes more of a challenge. My 
initial question was really more out of curiosity... an "if I should ever" 
type of wondering. The 32mm ones work fine, but I know when I'd looked it 
was about the narrowest available, so was curious if anyone had tried 
something narrower on a 650b wheelset.

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:39:01 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> So is that what this is in aid of, really small size road bikes?  Time 
> was, 650C was the size of choice for really small road bikes even though 
> only really narrow tires were available in that size.  
>
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Re: [RBW] 650b narrow tires

[G.E.]

Thanks, Steve! That is far more options than I thought would be available. 
Appreciate it.

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:04:54 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Yes.  The Confrerie tire is nominally 32mm but may be narrower in real 
> life 
>
> https://www.xxcycle.com/tyre-hutchinson-confrerie-des-650b-275-650-b-ts,,en.php
>  
>
> and I believe Schwalbe now has a 25mm 650b tire, the Pro One 25-584  
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/683  and a 28mm Procore 28-584  
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/614 and another 28mm Durano DD  
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/node/699 
>
> Continental also has a 28mm 650B tire 
>
> https://ebike.hu/products/wheel/tires/other-sizes/26-inch-traditional/118558_continental-grand-prix-26-inch-tire-28-584/
>  
>
>
> On 10/02/2018 05:50 PM, G.E. wrote: 
> > I realize this is a strange thing to be asking (particularly here, 
> > since most are riding wider tires), and normally I'd be looking for 
> > the widest possible tire to fit on a bike myself, but I'm curious if 
> > anyone has seen and/or used a 650b tire that is 30mm or narrower? I've 
> > seen a couple of options in a 32mm, but am specifically hunting for 
> > something narrower than that. Though it's unlikely to exist, I thought 
> > perhaps someone may have run across a tire of this sort. 
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar 
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 650b narrow tires

[G.E.]

Ha! Yes, possibly, but I'm a bit of a hobbit anyway, so I'm used to bikes 
that look small.

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:01:42 PM UTC-6, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
>
> 28 might look funny in such a wide fork of a 650b bike.
>
>

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[RBW] 650b narrow tires

[G.E.]

I realize this is a strange thing to be asking (particularly here, since 
most are riding wider tires), and normally I'd be looking for the widest 
possible tire to fit on a bike myself, but I'm curious if anyone has seen 
and/or used a 650b tire that is 30mm or narrower? I've seen a couple of 
options in a 32mm, but am specifically hunting for something narrower than 
that. Though it's unlikely to exist, I thought perhaps someone may have run 
across a tire of this sort.

Thanks in advance! 

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[RBW] Re: New Rosco Cargo Mixte

[G.E.]

That is the coolest, weirdest, funnest, raddest thing I've seen for some 
time! Hope you get lots of use out of/with it. Two enthusiastic thumbs up!!

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[RBW] FS: Winter Built Box Dog Bikes Pelican

[G.E.]

I have acquired too many of the same sort of bicycle (I don't know if 
that's really possible, but I'm running out of space, so I'm going with 
it), and am selling my 48cm Box Dog Bikes Pelican frame/fork. Box Dog no 
longer makes this size, so for a smaller rider who has wants this frame, 
this may be the opportunity. Link to photos are here 
 (geo 
chart included in photo link as well). 

I bought this to be my longer-distance rider and it's been a sweet little 
bike, but as stated above, I've acquired several of the same type of bike 
and I have to start clearing some things out. It doesn't have a ton of 
miles on it (less than 500 miles) and it's never been crashed. There are no 
dents, gouges, etc on the frame. There are some wear spots (to be expected 
with use - see photos), but overall it's a very clean frame/fork.

The sale will include the frame, fork, Velo Orange Grand Cru headset and 
the downtube cable stops. The current price on these Pelican frames is 
$2,000. Price for this one is $1200 (+ shipping costs through Bike Flights 
-- probably around $50-60, depending on where the buyer is in the U.S.).

Happy to answer any questions here or via Direct Message. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[G.E.]

I actually believe the Roadini is a better fit for me, but I've also grown 
used to the slightly-large fit of the Sam, so perhaps my body now believe a 
larger bike is the "right" fit. :)  I still like the Roadini... it just 
doesn't do exactly what I'd expected. I'm sure there would be a far more 
significant difference in feel from some of the more stout Riv's to the 
Roadini.

On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 1:22:32 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> G.E., your particular Sam may just fit you better, plus your body is well 
> adapted to it. My guess is the Roadini is noticeably lighter/faster-feeling 
> than the stouter touring-ish Rivs, but I wouldn't expect it to be a 
> significant change from Sam, just cheaper and less braze-ons. 
>
> For example, coming off the Clems I've owned - H and L - it's a markedly 
> faster bike. Compared to my Cheviot? The differences are mainly that the 
> Roadini is easier to move around my apartment with shorter stays, the tires 
> are skinnier and taller, and the toptube is way up there. I perceive no 
> speed difference. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[G.E.]

I am very much able to identify with your situation, but my experience with 
the Roadini thus far hasn't been exactly what I'd hoped for. I have owned a 
Sam Hillborne for the last 9-10 years and was looking at the Roadini to be 
a more stripped down, faster road ride. Unfortunately, I haven't found my 
speeds on the Roadini to be faster than that of my loaded up Sam H (I'm 
actually faster on the Sam). I've been doing a lot of tests between the two 
recently because I've been frustrated that I'm not getting what I'd hoped 
out of the Roadini. It's upsetting because so many others have had such 
great experiences, so I'm not sure how to come to terms with my experience, 
nor how to resolve the lack of speed. The Roadini is certainly comfortable 
(as is the Sam), but I'm somewhat regretting spending the money on a "road" 
bike when it hasn't resolved what I'd hoped it would. 

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 7:59:52 PM UTC-6, Jonathan K. wrote:
>
> I'm trying to convince myself that I do/don't need a Roadini. I have a Sam 
> that I bought to be my road bike, but it's been gradually taking on more of 
> a beast of burden role. Originally quite minimalist, I am now running racks 
> and bags fore and aft for commuting. So, I'd like to get a bike to fill the 
> role of lightweight, long distance, weekend rider.
>
> The Roadini has been out for a while now, and there seems to be a fair 
> amount of them out in the world. So, for anyone who has been riding their 
> Roadini for a while, how do you like it? I'm interested in thoughts, 
> impressions, reviews, comparisons to other road bikes, etc. Would you 
> recommend one over other bikes to someone who wants a simple road bike for 
> (relatively) fast long distance riding? Pictures are encouraged, of course!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Problem with Roadinis?

[G.E.]

Just thought I'd throw in my experience, for what it may be worth. 

I currently own a Roadini (non-orange) and have owned a Soma ES in the past 
(also had a Riv-made-for-Soma San Marcos). I am a vertically challenged 
rider, so my experience may not be the same as someone who rides a more 
standard size; however, comparing the 47cm Roadini to the 46 (now 48) cm 
ES, the Roadini fits me better, but I both felt and physically was faster 
on the ES - significantly faster (averaging 3-5mph faster on 20-40 mile 
rides). The Soma geometry seems to not be quite right for me so that my 
body sits in a rather odd position with pedals too far behind me. The 
Roadini is more comfortable, which in theory allows the body to handle 
longer distances, but the slower speeds leave me frustrated on many rides. 

My ES was actually set up with "worse" parts than the Roadini (the ES was 
equipped with Sora level components while the Roadini is built with 
Ultegra), but the ES was a speedier ride, even with the lower level 
components. So, depending on what I was looking for, and assuming that 
Soma's geometry works for the rider, I wouldn't necessarily be against 
purchasing a Soma. Though with that said, I wouldn't reject the Riv either 
as others that I've heard from haven't had the same experience I've had and 
sometimes comfort is more important to the rider than the speedometer. :)

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 8:28:37 AM UTC-6, Alan H wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Looking for some feedback from folks here about the orange Roadinis.
>
> Last week I placed an order for one of the new orange Roadinis in a size 
> 50 (thanks to my darned 80 cm pbh). After a week without any news from Riv 
> (and having my cc charged), I called to find out when the bike would ship. 
> I was told that they had received a lot of orders and were running a light 
> crew because of Interbike and that my bike would pack and ship yesterday 
> (Friday).
>
> Yesterday I got a call from Vince saying that there was a problem. He told 
> me that the brake bridge on the orange Roadini frames was in the wrong 
> place and that standard road brake calipers wouldn't work. While he told me 
> the frame would work with longer pull brakes (like Tektros or Pauls), 
> frames with the correct brake bridge wouldn't be back in until December.
>
> Needless to say I'm a little disappointed and frustrated, especially since 
> I logged on here today and saw folks talking about their new orange 
> Roadinis. Has anyone else gotten a similar story from Riv? 
>
> On a related topic, since I'm apparently not getting a Roadini, does 
> anyone have experience with Soma's road frames? In particular I like the 
> look of the Stanyan 
>  in pearl 
> white. It has a geometry similar to their ES model and is a fully lugged 
> steel frame at a very attractive price point. The Roadini was obviously my 
> first choice, but I wonder how the Soma stacks up in terms of build and 
> ride qualities.
>
> Thanks in advance for you input!
>
> -Alan
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding without fenders on Rivs reviews needed.

[G.E.]

Thank you... I like it. 

The handlebars are flipped Albatross (with the ends cut down due to my 
thick thighs that like to hit the bar-ends). I tried using Moustache 
initially, but the stretch was too much for my vertically challenged body. 
:)

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 9:41:59 AM UTC-6, RichS wrote:
>
> Beautiful Sam H you have there! Nice bag set up and I presume flipped 
> Moustache bars that look quite comfortable.
>
> Best,
> Richard
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 23, 2018, at 10:01 PM, G.E. <endless...@gmail.com > 
> wrote:
>
> This is my 2009 Sam H. I ride it fender-less out of necessity because no 
> matter what we did to try to keep them from rubbing the tires, they always 
> would. I'm sure it's primarily due to the small size (47cm), but that's why 
> mine is minus fenders. :) It's had racks at various points too, but this is 
> the current set up and way it's been for the last couple of years. I 
> haven't found it to be an issue and the bags attached are enough to carry 
> what I need from place to place. In severe downpours I do get wet, but I 
> just plan for that when necessary (or ride a different bike).
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[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

[G.E.]

This is so awesome, Cecily!!! I'm so glad that you've been able to find a 
way to keep riding your Riv! 

On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 7:44:53 PM UTC-6, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Some of y'all might remember me. *waves hello*
>
> Unfortunately, as my rheumatoid arthritis and vascular conditions 
> progressed, I had to stop riding my bike. I've missed my Rizzo so much, and 
> was thinking about selling her. I did add a Vespa to my stable, but it just 
> never gave me the same feeling I got from riding my bike. 
>
> A while back (a couple of years?) I asked whether anyone in this group had 
> any experience with converting a Betty Foy or any other Rivendell bike to 
> an eBike. There weren't many responses, and for a long time, I gave up hope 
> that I'd be able to ride ever again... until about two weeks ago. 
>
> I went into my local eBike shop, and asked whether it was possible to 
> convert my beloved Rizzo to an eBike, and they said that while it would be 
> a challenge, it was doable. I had to get a new wheel built, and I had to 
> sign a waiver about braking because the Betty Foy doesn't come with disc 
> brakes.
>
> Today I am happy to report that a reputable eBike dealer can in fact 
> convert a Riv bike to an eBike, and I'm back riding again. Hooray!
>
> I just needed to share my joy with people who would get it. Cheers, 
> everyone!
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Syndrome

[G.E.]

In many ways, I envy those who are capable of being a one-bike person; 
however, as many have already stated, you may well regret giving up your 
Sam for the Atlantis, unless the riding you do always necessitates the 
carrying capacity of the Atlantis. I've had my Sam for about 8 years and 
cannot imagine giving it up, but for me it is the do-almost-anything bike. 
That said, I also had another Rivendell (and other bikes too) that I sold 
to help fund bike purchases and have often regretted it. The problem is 
that you will likely lose a great amount in a sale and when the regret sets 
in and time passes (causing even more increase in the cost to buy again) it 
becomes that much more difficult to replace the bike.

Now, for full disclosure, I am the female in our household and we both ride 
so it's not difficult for either of us to convince the other that we *need* 
a second (or third, fourth, etc) bike. So, I understand if your sig other 
is not on board necessarily with having two bikes, but perhaps as others 
have stated you could explain to her that each bike does serve a purpose 
and find another way to help fund the new Atlantis. Even if it means 
waiting a little longer to fully build it up, I think it might be worth it. 
Of course, I have no idea your personal or financial situation, but if 
there's any way to keep both (since it sounds like you do enjoy the Sam), I 
would try that avenue first.

Waiting for a new bike can feel like torture. Whether it's a couple of 
weeks or several months (or even years, as some have waited), the waiting 
is the hardest part. At least it provides time to pick out the parts you 
think will work best! :)

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[RBW] Re: Hubbuhubbuh with drop bars?

[G.E.]

My husband and I own a Hubbuhubbuh tandem, but you and I are quite 
different as far as height is concerned. However, I'll offer our experience 
anyway, just in case it will be beneficial to you or anyone else. Keep in 
mind, we've only been riding it since October '17, so it's still a fairly 
new experience for us (though we have about 400 miles on it thus far - 
which is substantial for us, considering we really only get to ride one day 
a week and had a few snow weeks when we couldn't really ride).

All that said, I captain the tandem and am not quite 5'4". We have a size 
small and it is really nearly too big for me to be able to ride up front. 
There is no way I'd be able to captain with drop bars because of the size 
issue. The headtube is very tall which, unless you are tall, as in your 
case, causes the HHH to be naturally pretty upright. This isn't necessarily 
a bad quality, but for me personally, because the bike is large for me it 
causes some other issues (but I won't get into that now). As with any Riv, 
I think you *could* set it up with drop bars, if that is how you're 
comfortable. Just know that you will likely be sitting more upright than 
perhaps you would on another bike (probably not as much as I sit upright, 
but I'd still guess the position will be fairly so regardless). A longer 
stem would probably help and also be useful in combating the squirrely-ness 
I experience on the front because of the ridiculously short handlebar stem 
I have to use.

Just for added, non-requested fodder, we do really enjoy the HHH!! In fact, 
we took it on a group ride recently (it was a casual ride, with speeds not 
exceeding about 16mph, unless we were headed downhill) and enjoyed 
ourselves. This tandem is obviously not intended for such things, but we 
wanted to see if we could slightly push its limits. This is our first 
tandem experience, though we've both ridden bikes for many years so it's 
been interesting to experience the power of two on one bike. We live in a 
hilly (well, mountainous, really) region and average between 13.5-15.5mph 
on most rides when we cover between 30-50 miles. Speed isn't really the 
goal with this sort of tandem, but I thought I'd throw it out there as 
sometimes that information can be helpful. 

I hope you and your partner will very much enjoy the HHH too! :)

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[RBW] Re: Boulder Tips

[G.E.]

I live just north of Boulder and there honestly aren't any bad trails. We 
here get to live in an incredibly beautiful place. This time of year, there 
are a lot of people out on trails (both on foot and bike) so it's 
challenging to find quiet trails, especially if you want to hike in or at 
the base of the mountains. 

Boulder Canyon is very popular, but has a nice paved route that you can 
start from down in Boulder from Canyon Dr and it connects with the Boulder 
Creek Path too. This one is usually quite busy, especially on weekends or 
super sunny days. Chautauqua Trail is another one many enjoy. If you're 
looking for something a little lengthier, Green Mountain is a nice hike as 
well. If you're interested in traveling a little north of Boulder to Lyons, 
Hall Ranch and Heil Valley are a bit removed from the chaos of Boulder, but 
honestly still pretty busy most days. Keep in mind that a lot of the trails 
connect with other trails, so if you go to the Boulder County website, you 
can get a map of where trails exist, what you can do at each trail (hike, 
bike, dogs, etc) and where they connect. You can also go to All Trails, and 
people have rated a lot of the hikes/trails in the area, so it may help you 
make a decision about which one is right for you. I don't know if you've 
visited prior, but some people are surprised by the amount and size of 
rocks in the mountains and on the trails (Umm... hello, it is the Rocky 
Mountains), so depending on the trails you choose, be prepared to contend 
with rocks of various amount and size. Lower land trails usually aren't 
packed with rocks, but if you head up, just be aware. I share this only 
because I'm a mega klutz and have twisted ankles when not paying attention 
to my surroundings.

As has been stated, if you intend to rent a bike, University Bikes is a 
great option... plus, the store is just fun to go in and poke around with 
lots of fun stuff to see.

As for food, we don't eat at many restaurants in Boulder, but if you like 
pizza, I think everyone should have Beau Jo's at least once. :)

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 3:27:47 PM UTC-6, Minh wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm heading to Boulder next month, there seems to be a few locals here? 
>  I'm not bringing a bike but could use a few tips on trails--either hiking 
> or trail running.  I like peace and quiet so would prefer those types of 
> trails (if possible).   I'll have a car so getting around won't be a 
> problem.   
>
> I'll also take any food suggestions you may have--not much of a drinker 
> though but you can offer your beer suggestions for the crowd!  Thanks for 
> any tips.
>
> Minh
>

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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Saluki 47cm

[G.E.]

Up for sale is my 47cm Rivendell Saluki. It is being sold as 
frame/fork/headset/bb/cable stop-guides only. 

The frame was purchased new and directly from Rivendell earlier this year 
as a new-old-stock item and painted at that time. Since then, it was built 
up and ridden fewer than 100 miles. Due to the build, there are some 
scratches/blemishes to be found on the frame that have been circled in the 
photos. One is on the underside of the top tube and is small, but visible, 
and there are also a few blemishes/paint indentations on the chainstays due 
to chain slap and the former attachment of a kickstand. I also noticed 
while taking photos that there is a smaller, approximately 1in section on 
the seat tube that seems to have some sort of hazy substance on it. This is 
also circled in one of the photos. 

The frame takes cantilever brakes and 650b wheels (not included). 

It's a fantastic (and beautiful) bike, but is a duplicate for me and I need 
to make room for and help fund a project that is coming my way soon. $1450 
(shipping not included, but available within the continental US with buyer 
covering actual costs). Photos can be seen here: 
https://flic.kr/s/aHsm1hi6AG. If you have questions or interest, feel free 
to PM me. Thanks! :)

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[RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

[G.E.]

*John*: I was going to say that I believe the PBH was 73-74, rather than 
63-64 as Bill pointed out, but yes, it's definitely going to be for a 
smaller stature individual, most likely female. 

*Joe*: I think you're likely correct. I'm pretty sure it wasn't a JB paint 
job, as I'm sure I would've paid for that! :)

*Blakcloud*: Thank you! I wish my other Rivendell was this color because I 
really do love it. Thanks for your suggestions and price thoughts as well. 
I actually have a set of drop bars I was considering mounting instead of 
the albatross bars, which would make the brake levers less clunky looking 
(and yes, I do understand what you're saying about this and agree). The 
cork grips tore in removal, so I'd have to get another set of grips (which 
wouldn't be a huge deal), so it's a matter of deciding which way to go with 
that.

You all continue to be helpful, so thank you!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

[G.E.]

Doug,

That is good information to have. Thank you for chiming in!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

[G.E.]

Joe: I can run it with drop bars and I'm almost 5'4". Of course, I have a 
fairly short stem on it too. I have proportions more like a guy though... 
meaning even though I'm not horribly tall, I have shorter legs and a longer 
torso.  I decided to put the albatross on it because I was using it more 
for transportation around town. I will definitely take measurements of the 
bike before it gets posted.

Doug: I don't think it was a Joe Bell paint job (pretty sure), but I'll 
double check for the sticker. Thank you for that reminder!

Steve: That is awesome! Thank you for posting the geo chart. 

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[RBW] Re: Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

[G.E.]

You all are fantastic! I didn't expect to have so many responses so 
quickly. I really appreciate all of your feedback. Many, many thanks to you 
all.

As for more details... It is a small frame, so I am aware that there 
doesn't seem to be quite the market for those sizes (47cm to be exact). The 
frame was a NOS that Rivendell was selling early this year and it was 
custom painted so it's a different color than the standard blue Homer 
Hilsens or the orange Salukis. I believe that it was actually old Saluki 
stock, but when Rivendell was selling it, they said it was the same as the 
Homer Hilsen, so I could choose either set of stickers. I think it's a 
beautiful color... but of course, I chose it. :) Anyway, as for parts, it 
has the Sugino triple (I think it's the 24-36-46, but I'd have to double 
check to be sure... the bottom might be a 26). It has albatross handlebars 
with Dura-Ace bar end shifters. I'm fairly certain this one is set up with 
the 8sp shifters because we had them in a box of parts (again, I'd have to 
double check to make certain it wasn't 9 sp). The wheels are nothing 
special - just a standard 650b set (I'll have to look to get specifics). It 
has Soma New Xpress cream tires with Stop2 Flats liners inside.

I'm located in Colorado, so I'm also aware that there isn't the same market 
here as there is in northern CA.

As for photos... I haven't removed everything yet that won't go with it 
(what will come off is the saddle, pedals, bag, basket, rack), but some 
pics taken in the wild can be seen 
here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/54032207@N04/albums/72157684414421915

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[RBW] Advice for selling a Saluki/Hilsen?

[G.E.]

I'm in need of some assistance and am hoping some of you here might have 
thoughts and be able to offer suggestions. I purchased a NOS Saluki/Hilsen 
from Riv at the beginning of the year and built it up. It's been ridden, 
but not much (it's a second Riv for me). My husband and I agreed that we 
would each sell a bicycle in order to make space and help fund the purchase 
of a tandem we can ride together. Unfortunately for me, this is the only 
bike I can really see letting go of in the current bunch since it functions 
mostly as a duplicate as far as purpose in the bike fold goes.

Anyway... long story short, I need some help in regard to a selling price. 
Obviously, I can calculate out the cost of what I paid for the frame/fork 
and all the parts, but I'm looking for realistic numbers for a (mostly) 
whole bike. I don't intend to sell the saddle, pedals, or any carrying 
stuff like bags, baskets, racks, but otherwise it has fenders and all the 
parts necessary for riding. I don't want to be unrealistic about a price, 
but if you have thoughts on what these are typically going for these days, 
I would appreciate your feedback. Additionally, if you have thoughts on a 
good place(s) to try to list it, that would be helpful too. I'm trying to 
avoid eBay if I can help it. 

Thanks so much in advance for your thoughts.

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborn

[G.E. of EVL]

Late to the party... however, I just wanted to say that I've had my Sam for 
7 years now and can't imagine not having it. It's been set up with drop 
bars and albatross bars. It's had racks and bags galore, and I've had it 
stripped down to ride a bit faster. It handles well both while carrying 
items and riding it more as a road bike (it's not quite capable of racing 
speeds - but that was never its intention). The size I have is no longer 
made (so, hopefully, nothing every happens to it!), and it has 650b wheels 
because it was a small size. As a female, I have struggled a bit with the 
long top tube (Initially, I had an 8cm stem that was too long and ended up 
with a 5cm stem in order to make it ride-able comfortably for me, but the 
super short stem comes with its own kinks). I guess my bit of advice might 
be to test ride, if you can, first. Since Riv sizes by PBH, sometimes (in 
my opinion) a person can end up on a larger frame than s/he really wants or 
is comfortable riding. I've put thousands of miles on my Sam though, so 
obviously, it's hard for me to find too many negatives. I'll put it this 
way, of my current bicycles, if I was forced to have just one bike, the Sam 
H would be the one I'd keep. 

Good luck to you in your search for a retirement bicycle! I would 
definitely consider the Sam Hillborne as a possibility.

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 5:18:50 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> Hello Sam owners I'm thinking about purchasing a Sam for retirement partly 
> price mostly because it's a Rivendell and lugged. I have one other bike 
> it's a custom 650B and I know the Sam is a 700c. Ideas? Thoughts? Thanks

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[RBW] Re: FS: 47cm Hilsen in Denver for anyone looking

[G.E. of EVL]

Thanks for posting this! I really appreciate it. I hope the Homer goes to a 
good home too. :O)

On Thursday, June 6, 2013 10:41:54 AM UTC-6, Shoji Takahashi wrote:

 Here's back story on the sale:

 http://endlessvelolove.blogspot.com/2013/06/rivendell-homer-hilsen-for-sale-and.html

 Glad her spouse is doing better. Hope AHH goes to a good home.


 On Thursday, June 6, 2013 11:42:45 AM UTC-4, jinxed wrote:

 Just saw this listed on Craigs list 
 Denver.http://denver.craigslist.org/bik/3851814698.htmlNo affiliation at 
 all, but a fairly solid deal for a complete smaller AHH.



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