Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
Not sure about a stain factor, but one tester on one of the forums said the rough textured surface destroyed a pair of bib shorts. All the more reason to support sales of the Cambium if it gets some of the many who should not be wearing bibs in public out of them and into comfortable loose fitting shorts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
No one will deny you your preferences, for Brooks type saddles or for vegetarian eating. No one will deny that plastic saddles hurt you and wear out quickly for you. One will and must deny your reasoning that, because it is is so for you, it is so universally in the absence of any further presented data and, in fact, in the presence of easily acquired data to the contrary. This fallacy is very, very strangely common! I've ridden Flites almost exclusively (a San Marco, briefly; two Turbos, briefly; Brooks, Fujitas, Ideales, of various sorts, briefly, tho' the Pro while commuting for 12 or 18 months; I always came back to original issue Flites) for almost 25 years, and I abandoned padded shorts 10 years ago or more when I realized belatedly that there was no point, at least for rides under 50 miles. I wear regular underwear and street pants. There are tens of thousands - at least! - who ride plastic saddles for years on end without problem and without padded shorts -- look at the ratio of plastic saddles to hammock saddles. At least a fraction of those riders are comfortable. I would guess that this fraction is not too much smaller than the numbers who ride hammocks. I take that as sufficient proof that your original universally affirmative assertion is not true. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Matthew Joly matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly what proof would you need. To watch me and hundreds of other hammock saddle fans squirm while riding plastic saddles. I've tried dozens of models over the years. For a while I thought the Fizik Ronin [sp?] was going to be the one. The padding wore down in less than a month. Surface had visible abrasion marks. My weight fluctuates around 160-165. I don't think I am necessarily hard on saddles. Bottom line most people pay big bucks for Brooks and Berthouds not for bling but because their bodies do not take to molded plastic saddles. I don't think this is a controversial statement at all. Matthew Joly Chicago, IL On Jun 18, 2013, at 17:02, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: ??? 25K miles at least? Hardly short. Uncomfortable? Proof? Again 25 k miles over the years? My first Flite from circa 1990 that has been on half a dozen bikes with 7 k on the last one? Not to mention all the other Flites I've put thousands of miles on? And this is just one particular model of plastic saddle? Don't make unsupported universal assertions. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: I and others interested in leather free alternatives to quality Brooks and Berthoud saddles have said and this and other bicycle forums that the plastic saddles all tend to be both be horribly uncomfortable and have a short life span. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com Albuquerque, NM -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
You are misreading my original post on the topic if you think I am arguing that all shell saddles are uncomfortable. Rather, I said that Cambium gives hope to those of us who find shell saddles uncomfortable and prefer not to buy leather products. I will point out that several people reading the list reached out to me off line saying they would be very happy to use a quality hammock saddle made without leather. I spent hundreds probably thousands of dollars on shell saddles between 1998 and 2005 or so. If shell saddles worked for me, I would use them. I am glad they work for you. I am not aware of any scientific survey on padded shorts use among cyclists. The fact so many companies make and sell padded shorts and you see so many people wearing them certainly suggests significant numbers use them. While this is good for the cycle industry economy, I question whether enough end users have asked themselves why they need to wear padded shorts to ride. Given my experience with shell saddles versus hammock, I believe at least some percentage of people who use shell saddles and wear padded shorts will find they no longer need the pads on a hammock saddle. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
*I will point out that several people reading the list reached out to me off line saying they would be very happy to use a quality hammock saddle made without leather.* I will point out that nobody was arguing against the idea. You're the one who brought up dead animals in a thread about the Cambium, and that polarizing language is what I objected to. On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:40:58 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: You are misreading my original post on the topic if you think I am arguing that all shell saddles are uncomfortable. Rather, I said that Cambium gives hope to those of us who find shell saddles uncomfortable and prefer not to buy leather products. I will point out that several people reading the list reached out to me off line saying they would be very happy to use a quality hammock saddle made without leather. I spent hundreds probably thousands of dollars on shell saddles between 1998 and 2005 or so. If shell saddles worked for me, I would use them. I am glad they work for you. I am not aware of any scientific survey on padded shorts use among cyclists. The fact so many companies make and sell padded shorts and you see so many people wearing them certainly suggests significant numbers use them. While this is good for the cycle industry economy, I question whether enough end users have asked themselves why they need to wear padded shorts to ride. Given my experience with shell saddles versus hammock, I believe at least some percentage of people who use shell saddles and wear padded shorts will find they no longer need the pads on a hammock saddle. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
A comment meant as nothing more than a dramatic attempt to demonstrate why many people are in fact willing to pay a premium for a non-leather hammock saddle. In hindsight I should have used one of those evil winky faces with those terms to make clear I had no intent to poke anyone in the eye. Apologies all around. On point, it is certainly not yet clear thick laminated rubber and cotton can successfully replace animal skin in a hammock saddle. Doc Martens among other high line shoe companies have finally come up with leather alternatives that are attractive, wear well, and seem to be durable. If Brooks has finally found the right combination for hammock saddles, it will in fact have a market. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
I think (from what the marketing looks like at least) that they are trying to penetrate the market that sees Brooks saddles as precious. There are a lot of people that think you cant get them wet, they need constant maintenance and take 3 years to get comfortable. All are only partly right but are myths that are for sure hurting the bottom line at Brooks. If they can tout a saddle that is weather proof, low maintenance and comfortable while having the quality feeling of a leather saddle they will for sure have a winner on their hands, and if they get some vegan/vegetarian fans along for the ride all the better for said bottom line. I guess only time will tell. On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: A comment meant as nothing more than a dramatic attempt to demonstrate why many people are in fact willing to pay a premium for a non-leather hammock saddle. In hindsight I should have used one of those evil winky faces with those terms to make clear I had no intent to poke anyone in the eye. Apologies all around. On point, it is certainly not yet clear thick laminated rubber and cotton can successfully replace animal skin in a hammock saddle. Doc Martens among other high line shoe companies have finally come up with leather alternatives that are attractive, wear well, and seem to be durable. If Brooks has finally found the right combination for hammock saddles, it will in fact have a market. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
I think (from what the marketing looks like at least) that they are trying to penetrate the market that sees Brooks saddles as precious. Which never made sense to me. A little proofide once a year and the things will last fifty years easy. All are only partly right but are myths that are for sure hurting the bottom line at Brooks. Is Brooks having financial troubles? The amount of new products coming out of Brooks the last few years has been impressive. (I am very pleased with my John O'Groats panniers.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
I'm healing from Surgery. My bike rides are now limited to coffee shops and dining with the wife. My ride is no longer my comfy long distance tours (until next year). So for the comfy daily ride I switched to a nice Celeste Bianchi Milanno that fits perfect for these rides. Then I dreamed of the new Brooks Cambium on it. Yesterday I got my order in within 2 minutes of the email announcement of the special first edition ones. It's shipping already! Wife getting my Bianchi saddle on her Breezer and that's good two. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 22:24 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: Its too narrow for my fat ass. If they make a wide one in a year or two I will give it a look. Should come in somewhat cheaper than the standard offerings considering its made of rubber and cotton. Yes, exactly like this. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Wouldn't it be nice to discuss this saddle on the basis of its merits rather than all this /politics/? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
Actually not politics at all. The nternet combined with inexpensive global shipping is changing the world of commerce. Companies that know how to take advantage of both make money products targetting global niche markets. Vegan products make up a growing, multi-million market. Brooks is joining many large and small companies that realize this and are making products for it. One would think fans of a lugged steel cycle company that has kepts true its niche through clever marketing and the internet would appreciate that other companies are finding other niches the same way. I guess different strokes only applies where we agree with what the differences are. And yes, I certainly hope this is the start of something that finds a level of quality and cost effectiveness such that the product sells to all, not just for the niche. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
Made in the UK AFAIK. On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16:48 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote: I worked in a Vegan restaurant for a long time (a lot of fixed gear bikes) and the owner made it a point not to make the non-vegans feel like they were baby killing satan worshippers. I would imagine the smart people at Brooks would do the same and not market this as a this saddle will make you sleep better at night kind of thing. I see nowhere on the site where Brooks is advertising this as a Vegan saddle. Is some part of the Cambium made in china? Did some child worker slave to make it? Maybe that should be more important. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Yes, you've gone out of your way to impress upon me your vegan ways, and the error of mine. I'm not interested in the politics of leather Brooks saddles, but thanks for playing. On Monday, June 17, 2013 6:27:33 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: There are a growing number of prosperous vegans in the UK, US, EU, and of course India, who like nice things without dead animals in them. The majority is not yet enlightened, but we are growing and we are very willing to spend our money on products that don't need to kill an animal to make. And yes, many currently available race saddles are synthetic. They are also for the most part gawsh forsaken torture devices. On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:08:57 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: Hmm, good point. Although calling 1000 non-leather Brooks saddles limited is pushing the concept, in my opinion. I'm not at all convinced there's much of a market for one. Joe I've been wrong before Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, June 17, 2013 5:56:28 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote: Actually my reading of the letter is that their first production run is going to be a limited edition at 145 quid. These will all be numbered. I would suspect that sales after the limited edition will be less expensive. Now, on Monday 17th June, a specially dedicated website for the new Cambium Saddles goes live and an initial limited edition is available for sale with each saddle's number etched into its nose rivet. We are offering a total of 1,200 pieces: -1,000 C17 Gents Saddles -200 C17s Ladies Saddles http://www.brooksengland.com/**catalogue-and-shop/saddles/** touring+%26+trekking/Cambium+**C17+Ltd+Edition/http://www.brooksengland.com/catalogue-and-shop/saddles/touring+%26+trekking/Cambium+C17+Ltd+Edition/ In the surveys I've filled out as one of the first 200 (it went up) I've kept saying I'd pay under $125 (or was it $135) which was the lowest option. Not that they'll listen to me. :-) Aloha, Bob On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.comwrote: Hmm. I assumed this would be an attempt to make a Brooks saddle more accessible to the masses, both in construction and price. I don't think the market is hollering for a Brooks just as pricey as the leather ones, but without the leather. An odd decision, in my opinion. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16:04 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: New Brooks mail today - 145 quid for this saddle. that's the same price as a Select Grade B17, etc. Looks like the wrong end of the market to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfhar...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 06:34 -0700, Matthew J wrote: Actually not politics at all. I disagree. When I read about veganism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism it's all politics. Using the word is invoking politics. Why Vegan for this saddle, and not any of the many, many plastic saddles on the market? Would the old Brooks mattress saddle that used to come on most of the cheap 3-speeds be Vegan as well? The nternet combined with inexpensive global shipping is changing the world of commerce. Companies that know how to take advantage of both make money products targetting global niche markets. Vegan products make up a growing, multi-million market. Brooks is joining many large and small companies that realize this and are making products for it. If there is one thing there is no shortage of in this world, it's plastic bicycle saddles. That's no niche market, it is the mainstream. One would think fans of a lugged steel cycle company that has kepts true its niche through clever marketing and the internet would appreciate that other companies are finding other niches the same way. I guess different strokes only applies where we agree with what the differences are. And yes, I certainly hope this is the start of something that finds a level of quality and cost effectiveness such that the product sells to all, not just for the niche. Every saddle on every bike in every LBS is vegan. I'd call that not just for the niche, wouldn't you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
Apparently you have not been following the earlier discussions on the Cambium. Yes, mainstream saddles are frequently plastic. I and others interested in leather free alternatives to quality Brooks and Berthoud saddles have said and this and other bicycle forums that the plastic saddles all tend to be both be horribly uncomfortable and have a short life span. The Brooks Cambium - which is not plastic, by the way - gives hope there may be an alternative. I know many cyclists who avoid animal products (politically neutral enough for you?) that are looking forward to finally having a quality, leather free saddle that can provide lasting comfortable rides. Maybe the Cambium will not be that product. Maybe it will. I expect that Brooks hopes that it is. Global response to the Cambium appears to be quite good. Certainly getting a lot of press on line. A niche has in fact been touched. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
*There are a growing number of prosperous vegans in the UK, US, EU, and of course India, who like nice things without dead animals in them. The majority is not yet enlightened, but we are growing and we are very willing to spend our money on products that don't need to kill an animal to make.* This was your response to me, which was the second time in this thread you had played this card. It is quite political, and saying it's not political is disingenuous. We are discussing the comfort/looks/price/marketability of the Brooks Cambium. The politics is not necessary. On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:07:23 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: Apparently you have not been following the earlier discussions on the Cambium. Yes, mainstream saddles are frequently plastic. I and others interested in leather free alternatives to quality Brooks and Berthoud saddles have said and this and other bicycle forums that the plastic saddles all tend to be both be horribly uncomfortable and have a short life span. The Brooks Cambium - which is not plastic, by the way - gives hope there may be an alternative. I know many cyclists who avoid animal products (politically neutral enough for you?) that are looking forward to finally having a quality, leather free saddle that can provide lasting comfortable rides. Maybe the Cambium will not be that product. Maybe it will. I expect that Brooks hopes that it is. Global response to the Cambium appears to be quite good. Certainly getting a lot of press on line. A niche has in fact been touched. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
Arguing comfort or lack thereof of something one has never used is not disingenuous? Your argument is the lack of leather should lower the market value of the product. My response is to show there is in fact a significant market that values the lack of leather. Zappos, to name one large company, allows people to search its site for Vegan shoes. There are vegan restaurants throughout the world. Vegan is a mainstream commercially acceptable market. Vegan may have been political 10 years ago. In 2013 it is not. Matthew J Chicago, IL On Jun 18, 2013, at 10:35, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: There are a growing number of prosperous vegans in the UK, US, EU, and of course India, who like nice things without dead animals in them. The majority is not yet enlightened, but we are growing and we are very willing to spend our money on products that don't need to kill an animal to make. This was your response to me, which was the second time in this thread you had played this card. It is quite political, and saying it's not political is disingenuous. We are discussing the comfort/looks/price/marketability of the Brooks Cambium. The politics is not necessary. On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:07:23 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: Apparently you have not been following the earlier discussions on the Cambium. Yes, mainstream saddles are frequently plastic. I and others interested in leather free alternatives to quality Brooks and Berthoud saddles have said and this and other bicycle forums that the plastic saddles all tend to be both be horribly uncomfortable and have a short life span. The Brooks Cambium - which is not plastic, by the way - gives hope there may be an alternative. I know many cyclists who avoid animal products (politically neutral enough for you?) that are looking forward to finally having a quality, leather free saddle that can provide lasting comfortable rides. Maybe the Cambium will not be that product. Maybe it will. I expect that Brooks hopes that it is. Global response to the Cambium appears to be quite good. Certainly getting a lot of press on line. A niche has in fact been touched. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
Because it's fun to watch the histrionics: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bavsss.htm Cheers, David On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: The thread was started by a person actually using the saddle, which is where discussions of comfort come in. You are injecting politics into it, then pretending you're not. I'm quite well versed in the tactics of political debate on the internet, and know the semantics game. I'm done with this. On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:56:21 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: Arguing comfort or lack thereof of something one has never used is not disingenuous? Your argument is the lack of leather should lower the market value of the product. My response is to show there is in fact a significant market that values the lack of leather. Zappos, to name one large company, allows people to search its site for Vegan shoes. There are vegan restaurants throughout the world. Vegan is a mainstream commercially acceptable market. Vegan may have been political 10 years ago. In 2013 it is not. Matthew J Chicago, IL On Jun 18, 2013, at 10:35, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com wrote: *There are a growing number of prosperous vegans in the UK, US, EU, and of course India, who like nice things without dead animals in them. The majority is not yet enlightened, but we are growing and we are very willing to spend our money on products that don't need to kill an animal to make. * This was your response to me, which was the second time in this thread you had played this card. It is quite political, and saying it's not political is disingenuous. We are discussing the comfort/looks/price/**marketability of the Brooks Cambium. The politics is not necessary. On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:07:23 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: Apparently you have not been following the earlier discussions on the Cambium. Yes, mainstream saddles are frequently plastic. I and others interested in leather free alternatives to quality Brooks and Berthoud saddles have said and this and other bicycle forums that the plastic saddles all tend to be both be horribly uncomfortable and have a short life span. The Brooks Cambium - which is not plastic, by the way - gives hope there may be an alternative. I know many cyclists who avoid animal products (politically neutral enough for you?) that are looking forward to finally having a quality, leather free saddle that can provide lasting comfortable rides. Maybe the Cambium will not be that product. Maybe it will. I expect that Brooks hopes that it is. Global response to the Cambium appears to be quite good. Certainly getting a lot of press on line. A niche has in fact been touched. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 10:56 -0500, Matthew Joly wrote: Arguing comfort or lack thereof of something one has never used is not disingenuous? Isn't that exactly what you are doing? I say again, the world is full of platic saddles. Most cyclists find them comfortable. If you haven't found one yet, you should go try all the various varieties available. There are hundreds, if not thousands. Don't dismiss them all out of hand as uncomfortable if you have not tried them. Zappos, to name one large company, allows people to search its site for Vegan shoes. There are vegan restaurants throughout the world. Vegan is a mainstream commercially acceptable market. Vegan may have been political 10 years ago. In 2013 it is not. It damn sure is OT. And in this context, also political. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
The thread was started by a person actually using the saddle, which is where discussions of comfort come in. You are injecting politics into it, then pretending you're not. I'm quite well versed in the tactics of political debate on the internet, and know the semantics game. I'm done with this. On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:56:21 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: Arguing comfort or lack thereof of something one has never used is not disingenuous? Your argument is the lack of leather should lower the market value of the product. My response is to show there is in fact a significant market that values the lack of leather. Zappos, to name one large company, allows people to search its site for Vegan shoes. There are vegan restaurants throughout the world. Vegan is a mainstream commercially acceptable market. Vegan may have been political 10 years ago. In 2013 it is not. Matthew J Chicago, IL On Jun 18, 2013, at 10:35, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: *There are a growing number of prosperous vegans in the UK, US, EU, and of course India, who like nice things without dead animals in them. The majority is not yet enlightened, but we are growing and we are very willing to spend our money on products that don't need to kill an animal to make.* This was your response to me, which was the second time in this thread you had played this card. It is quite political, and saying it's not political is disingenuous. We are discussing the comfort/looks/price/marketability of the Brooks Cambium. The politics is not necessary. On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:07:23 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: Apparently you have not been following the earlier discussions on the Cambium. Yes, mainstream saddles are frequently plastic. I and others interested in leather free alternatives to quality Brooks and Berthoud saddles have said and this and other bicycle forums that the plastic saddles all tend to be both be horribly uncomfortable and have a short life span. The Brooks Cambium - which is not plastic, by the way - gives hope there may be an alternative. I know many cyclists who avoid animal products (politically neutral enough for you?) that are looking forward to finally having a quality, leather free saddle that can provide lasting comfortable rides. Maybe the Cambium will not be that product. Maybe it will. I expect that Brooks hopes that it is. Global response to the Cambium appears to be quite good. Certainly getting a lot of press on line. A niche has in fact been touched. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
I was just thinking that I hope Riv gets a few of these saddles in stock. They have been supportive of Brooks as a brand and cyclists who want alternatives to leather products in the past so it seems plausible. I don't need a new saddle but I am curious how this compares to my Brooks. FWIW I think Brooks is marketing this saddle as an all weather model and giving that reason for the change in materials. I would be shocked if consumer requests for a non-leather saddle made in a hammock style like their other saddles are was not part of their decision process though. Jason Leach SF, CA On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:08:35 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Because it's fun to watch the histrionics: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bavsss.htm Cheers, David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
Gentlemen, take your panties, pull them out and untwist them. Not sure how a persons dietary choices are thought of as political. Barry, nor George, could care less what you eat. Go step away from the computer and have a Snicker's bar, some of you get cranky when you are hungry. Its a seat, you put your butt on it. One may like it, one may not and still there is no way to tell till I put my butt on it. Scott Cheers, Scott Henry Dayton, OH FTM-PTB On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: I was just thinking that I hope Riv gets a few of these saddles in stock. They have been supportive of Brooks as a brand and cyclists who want alternatives to leather products in the past so it seems plausible. I don't need a new saddle but I am curious how this compares to my Brooks. FWIW I think Brooks is marketing this saddle as an all weather model and giving that reason for the change in materials. I would be shocked if consumer requests for a non-leather saddle made in a hammock style like their other saddles are was not part of their decision process though. Jason Leach SF, CA On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:08:35 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Because it's fun to watch the histrionics: http://www.rivbike.com/** product-p/bavsss.htm http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bavsss.htm Cheers, David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
a snickers bar isn't vegansorry couldn't resist. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: Gentlemen, take your panties, pull them out and untwist them. Not sure how a persons dietary choices are thought of as political. Barry, nor George, could care less what you eat. Go step away from the computer and have a Snicker's bar, some of you get cranky when you are hungry. Its a seat, you put your butt on it. One may like it, one may not and still there is no way to tell till I put my butt on it. Scott Cheers, Scott Henry Dayton, OH FTM-PTB On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: I was just thinking that I hope Riv gets a few of these saddles in stock. They have been supportive of Brooks as a brand and cyclists who want alternatives to leather products in the past so it seems plausible. I don't need a new saddle but I am curious how this compares to my Brooks. FWIW I think Brooks is marketing this saddle as an all weather model and giving that reason for the change in materials. I would be shocked if consumer requests for a non-leather saddle made in a hammock style like their other saddles are was not part of their decision process though. Jason Leach SF, CA On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:08:35 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Because it's fun to watch the histrionics: http://www.rivbike.com/** product-p/bavsss.htm http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bavsss.htm Cheers, David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
Food isn't vegan, actually. All the woodland creatures displaced and slaughtered in the plowing and maintenance of those grain fields. Short of growing all my own food using only hand tools very slowly, I can't figure out how I could eat a truly vegan diet. And it is absolutely a moral judgement to believe animals are equal to humans and thus deserving of the same treatment. That moral judgement has political ramifications. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:49:20 AM UTC-6, Peter M wrote: a snickers bar isn't vegansorry couldn't resist. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Gentlemen, take your panties, pull them out and untwist them. Not sure how a persons dietary choices are thought of as political. Barry, nor George, could care less what you eat. Go step away from the computer and have a Snicker's bar, some of you get cranky when you are hungry. Its a seat, you put your butt on it. One may like it, one may not and still there is no way to tell till I put my butt on it. Scott Cheers, Scott Henry Dayton, OH FTM-PTB On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM, JL subf...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: I was just thinking that I hope Riv gets a few of these saddles in stock. They have been supportive of Brooks as a brand and cyclists who want alternatives to leather products in the past so it seems plausible. I don't need a new saddle but I am curious how this compares to my Brooks. FWIW I think Brooks is marketing this saddle as an all weather model and giving that reason for the change in materials. I would be shocked if consumer requests for a non-leather saddle made in a hammock style like their other saddles are was not part of their decision process though. Jason Leach SF, CA On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:08:35 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Because it's fun to watch the histrionics: http://www.rivbike.com/** product-p/bavsss.htm http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bavsss.htm Cheers, David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
How sad that this is getting so off topic right when the “off topic” veers into territory that I (possessing both philosophy and political science degrees) am qualified to comment on. J The vegan choice is a moral choice; often motivated by religion (of course, religion and morals often intertwine). But there is nothing political about a moral or religious decision UNTIL one tries to use political power to force one’s morals/religion on someone else. I didn’t see anyone proposing a tax or tariff on leather, so I think we are safe until that happens. If it then escalates and somebody tries to take away my Brooks B17 Select, we are going to have serious trouble. Short of that, we are all good. A vegan lifestyle often leads to politics, but being vegan (by itself) doesn’t imply political motivations. People are redefining terms here, this is a linguistic argument. Back to bikes, this reminds me of “Fred”. The term Fred used to denote somebody who was a racer wannabe who rode a race bike and dressed like a racer while cruising down the bike path at 10 MPH. Obviously, the Freds didn’t like that term, so they redefined it to mean “anybody who doesn’t ride exactly what I ride and wear exactly what I wear”. I have been called “Fred” for riding in street clothes on platform pedals. The man calling me a “Fred” was sitting on a bench along the bike trail with his carbon fiber race bike. He was wearing shoes that he couldn’t walk in and matching diaper shorts and jersey. On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:09:18 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Food isn't vegan, actually. All the woodland creatures displaced and slaughtered in the plowing and maintenance of those grain fields. Short of growing all my own food using only hand tools very slowly, I can't figure out how I could eat a truly vegan diet. And it is absolutely a moral judgement to believe animals are equal to humans and thus deserving of the same treatment. That moral judgement has political ramifications. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:49:20 AM UTC-6, Peter M wrote: a snickers bar isn't vegansorry couldn't resist. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Scott Henry ske...@gmail.com wrote: Gentlemen, take your panties, pull them out and untwist them. Not sure how a persons dietary choices are thought of as political. Barry, nor George, could care less what you eat. Go step away from the computer and have a Snicker's bar, some of you get cranky when you are hungry. Its a seat, you put your butt on it. One may like it, one may not and still there is no way to tell till I put my butt on it. Scott Cheers, Scott Henry Dayton, OH FTM-PTB On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM, JL subf...@gmail.com wrote: I was just thinking that I hope Riv gets a few of these saddles in stock. They have been supportive of Brooks as a brand and cyclists who want alternatives to leather products in the past so it seems plausible. I don't need a new saddle but I am curious how this compares to my Brooks. FWIW I think Brooks is marketing this saddle as an all weather model and giving that reason for the change in materials. I would be shocked if consumer requests for a non-leather saddle made in a hammock style like their other saddles are was not part of their decision process though. Jason Leach SF, CA On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:08:35 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Because it's fun to watch the histrionics: http://www.rivbike.com/** product-p/bavsss.htm http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bavsss.htm Cheers, David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
??? 25K miles at least? Hardly short. Uncomfortable? Proof? Again 25 k miles over the years? My first Flite from circa 1990 that has been on half a dozen bikes with 7 k on the last one? Not to mention all the other Flites I've put thousands of miles on? And this is just one particular model of plastic saddle? Don't make unsupported universal assertions. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: I and others interested in leather free alternatives to quality Brooks and Berthoud saddles have said and this and other bicycle forums that the plastic saddles all tend to be both be horribly uncomfortable and have a short life span. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
I'm going to have a nice steak tonight. If there is one thing that annoys, it is badly reasoned yet still pompous self righteousness. Don't eat animal products if you don't like to. Good Hindus don't, and good Orthodox monks don't, either. They have good reasons, but they don't assume a pose of pompous self righteousness. Hell, become a Jain, and sweep the ground before you as you walk, but don't spread it about, for God's sake. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: *There are a growing number of prosperous vegans in the UK, US, EU, and of course India, who like nice things without dead animals in them. The majority is not yet enlightened, but we are growing and we are very willing to spend our money on products that don't need to kill an animal to make.* This was your response to me, which was the second time in this thread you had played this card. It is quite political, and saying it's not political is disingenuous. We are discussing the comfort/looks/price/marketability of the Brooks Cambium. The politics is not necessary. On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:07:23 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: Apparently you have not been following the earlier discussions on the Cambium. Yes, mainstream saddles are frequently plastic. I and others interested in leather free alternatives to quality Brooks and Berthoud saddles have said and this and other bicycle forums that the plastic saddles all tend to be both be horribly uncomfortable and have a short life span. The Brooks Cambium - which is not plastic, by the way - gives hope there may be an alternative. I know many cyclists who avoid animal products (politically neutral enough for you?) that are looking forward to finally having a quality, leather free saddle that can provide lasting comfortable rides. Maybe the Cambium will not be that product. Maybe it will. I expect that Brooks hopes that it is. Global response to the Cambium appears to be quite good. Certainly getting a lot of press on line. A niche has in fact been touched. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
This is funny. Last year, right about this time, it was when Rapha had just introduced their new shoes made out of Yak leather. I was peacefully riding my B17'ed Sam when approached from behind by a large group of fast/racer types. As the group sped by me, a guy on a Colnago yelled for everyone to lookout for Yak butter. It has stayed with me as the epitome of fredish brilliance! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
Exactly what proof would you need. To watch me and hundreds of other hammock saddle fans squirm while riding plastic saddles. I've tried dozens of models over the years. For a while I thought the Fizik Ronin [sp?] was going to be the one. The padding wore down in less than a month. Surface had visible abrasion marks. My weight fluctuates around 160-165. I don't think I am necessarily hard on saddles. Bottom line most people pay big bucks for Brooks and Berthouds not for bling but because their bodies do not take to molded plastic saddles. I don't think this is a controversial statement at all. Matthew Joly Chicago, IL On Jun 18, 2013, at 17:02, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: ??? 25K miles at least? Hardly short. Uncomfortable? Proof? Again 25 k miles over the years? My first Flite from circa 1990 that has been on half a dozen bikes with 7 k on the last one? Not to mention all the other Flites I've put thousands of miles on? And this is just one particular model of plastic saddle? Don't make unsupported universal assertions. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: I and others interested in leather free alternatives to quality Brooks and Berthoud saddles have said and this and other bicycle forums that the plastic saddles all tend to be both be horribly uncomfortable and have a short life span. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
I'm wondering what the pant stain factor of the Cambium may be. Some of my Brooks saddles have been OK this way, some less so. Also wondering about the breathability or thermal experience in warm weather. And shellacking of the cotton weave will not be allowed! Chris Tucson, AZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Chris Halasz chal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm wondering what the pant stain factor of the Cambium may be. Also wondering about the breathability or thermal experience in warm weather. I've got the natural color model and as one might expect, haven't stained my pants. The worry would be the pants staining the saddle. I can't speak for any darker colored model. And, as I live in Hawaii which is reasonably warm and have ridden a 75 mile on the thing I can say that, at least for me, I had no problem with the saddle and it was a hot day. It didn't build up moisture (perhaps the cotton wicks a bit) and or seem too hot at any point. Aloha, Bob -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
WTB: Brooks Cambium C17 -Jimmy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
:-) Given that there are about 200 in the wild right now it's a long shot, at least on this list. As far as I know I'm the only one on RBW-owners-bunch who owns one. Aloha, Bob On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Jimmy Hutch ji...@jimmyhutchinson.comwrote: WTB: Brooks Cambium C17 -Jimmy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 16:07 -0700, Chris Halasz wrote: I'm wondering what the pant stain factor of the Cambium may be. Some of my Brooks saddles have been OK this way, some less so. Also wondering about the breathability or thermal experience in warm weather. And shellacking of the cotton weave will not be allowed! Not sure about a stain factor, but one tester on one of the forums said the rough textured surface destroyed a pair of bib shorts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
New Brooks mail today - 145 quid for this saddle. that's the same price as a Select Grade B17, etc. Looks like the wrong end of the market to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
Hmm. I assumed this would be an attempt to make a Brooks saddle more accessible to the masses, both in construction and price. I don't think the market is hollering for a Brooks just as pricey as the leather ones, but without the leather. An odd decision, in my opinion. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16:04 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: New Brooks mail today - 145 quid for this saddle. that's the same price as a Select Grade B17, etc. Looks like the wrong end of the market to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
Actually my reading of the letter is that their first production run is going to be a limited edition at 145 quid. These will all be numbered. I would suspect that sales after the limited edition will be less expensive. Now, on Monday 17th June, a specially dedicated website for the new Cambium Saddles goes live and an initial limited edition is available for sale with each saddle's number etched into its nose rivet. We are offering a total of 1,200 pieces: -1,000 C17 Gents Saddles -200 C17s Ladies Saddles http://www.brooksengland.com/catalogue-and-shop/saddles/touring+%26+trekking/Cambium+C17+Ltd+Edition/ In the surveys I've filled out as one of the first 200 (it went up) I've kept saying I'd pay under $125 (or was it $135) which was the lowest option. Not that they'll listen to me. :-) Aloha, Bob On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. I assumed this would be an attempt to make a Brooks saddle more accessible to the masses, both in construction and price. I don't think the market is hollering for a Brooks just as pricey as the leather ones, but without the leather. An odd decision, in my opinion. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16:04 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: New Brooks mail today - 145 quid for this saddle. that's the same price as a Select Grade B17, etc. Looks like the wrong end of the market to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
Hmm, good point. Although calling 1000 non-leather Brooks saddles limited is pushing the concept, in my opinion. I'm not at all convinced there's much of a market for one. Joe I've been wrong before Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, June 17, 2013 5:56:28 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote: Actually my reading of the letter is that their first production run is going to be a limited edition at 145 quid. These will all be numbered. I would suspect that sales after the limited edition will be less expensive. Now, on Monday 17th June, a specially dedicated website for the new Cambium Saddles goes live and an initial limited edition is available for sale with each saddle's number etched into its nose rivet. We are offering a total of 1,200 pieces: -1,000 C17 Gents Saddles -200 C17s Ladies Saddles http://www.brooksengland.com/catalogue-and-shop/saddles/touring+%26+trekking/Cambium+C17+Ltd+Edition/ In the surveys I've filled out as one of the first 200 (it went up) I've kept saying I'd pay under $125 (or was it $135) which was the lowest option. Not that they'll listen to me. :-) Aloha, Bob On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Hmm. I assumed this would be an attempt to make a Brooks saddle more accessible to the masses, both in construction and price. I don't think the market is hollering for a Brooks just as pricey as the leather ones, but without the leather. An odd decision, in my opinion. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16:04 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: New Brooks mail today - 145 quid for this saddle. that's the same price as a Select Grade B17, etc. Looks like the wrong end of the market to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfhar...@gmail.com javascript: statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
There are a growing number of prosperous vegans in the UK, US, EU, and of course India, who like nice things without dead animals in them. The majority is not yet enlightened, but we are growing and we are very willing to spend our money on products that don't need to kill an animal to make. And yes, many currently available race saddles are synthetic. They are also for the most part gawsh forsaken torture devices. On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:08:57 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: Hmm, good point. Although calling 1000 non-leather Brooks saddles limited is pushing the concept, in my opinion. I'm not at all convinced there's much of a market for one. Joe I've been wrong before Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, June 17, 2013 5:56:28 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote: Actually my reading of the letter is that their first production run is going to be a limited edition at 145 quid. These will all be numbered. I would suspect that sales after the limited edition will be less expensive. Now, on Monday 17th June, a specially dedicated website for the new Cambium Saddles goes live and an initial limited edition is available for sale with each saddle's number etched into its nose rivet. We are offering a total of 1,200 pieces: -1,000 C17 Gents Saddles -200 C17s Ladies Saddles http://www.brooksengland.com/catalogue-and-shop/saddles/touring+%26+trekking/Cambium+C17+Ltd+Edition/ In the surveys I've filled out as one of the first 200 (it went up) I've kept saying I'd pay under $125 (or was it $135) which was the lowest option. Not that they'll listen to me. :-) Aloha, Bob On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. I assumed this would be an attempt to make a Brooks saddle more accessible to the masses, both in construction and price. I don't think the market is hollering for a Brooks just as pricey as the leather ones, but without the leather. An odd decision, in my opinion. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16:04 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: New Brooks mail today - 145 quid for this saddle. that's the same price as a Select Grade B17, etc. Looks like the wrong end of the market to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfhar...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
Yes, you've gone out of your way to impress upon me your vegan ways, and the error of mine. I'm not interested in the politics of leather Brooks saddles, but thanks for playing. On Monday, June 17, 2013 6:27:33 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: There are a growing number of prosperous vegans in the UK, US, EU, and of course India, who like nice things without dead animals in them. The majority is not yet enlightened, but we are growing and we are very willing to spend our money on products that don't need to kill an animal to make. And yes, many currently available race saddles are synthetic. They are also for the most part gawsh forsaken torture devices. On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:08:57 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: Hmm, good point. Although calling 1000 non-leather Brooks saddles limited is pushing the concept, in my opinion. I'm not at all convinced there's much of a market for one. Joe I've been wrong before Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, June 17, 2013 5:56:28 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote: Actually my reading of the letter is that their first production run is going to be a limited edition at 145 quid. These will all be numbered. I would suspect that sales after the limited edition will be less expensive. Now, on Monday 17th June, a specially dedicated website for the new Cambium Saddles goes live and an initial limited edition is available for sale with each saddle's number etched into its nose rivet. We are offering a total of 1,200 pieces: -1,000 C17 Gents Saddles -200 C17s Ladies Saddles http://www.brooksengland.com/catalogue-and-shop/saddles/touring+%26+trekking/Cambium+C17+Ltd+Edition/ In the surveys I've filled out as one of the first 200 (it went up) I've kept saying I'd pay under $125 (or was it $135) which was the lowest option. Not that they'll listen to me. :-) Aloha, Bob On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. I assumed this would be an attempt to make a Brooks saddle more accessible to the masses, both in construction and price. I don't think the market is hollering for a Brooks just as pricey as the leather ones, but without the leather. An odd decision, in my opinion. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16:04 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: New Brooks mail today - 145 quid for this saddle. that's the same price as a Select Grade B17, etc. Looks like the wrong end of the market to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfhar...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
I worked in a Vegan restaurant for a long time (a lot of fixed gear bikes) and the owner made it a point not to make the non-vegans feel like they were baby killing satan worshippers. I would imagine the smart people at Brooks would do the same and not market this as a this saddle will make you sleep better at night kind of thing. I see nowhere on the site where Brooks is advertising this as a Vegan saddle. Is some part of the Cambium made in china? Did some child worker slave to make it? Maybe that should be more important. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you've gone out of your way to impress upon me your vegan ways, and the error of mine. I'm not interested in the politics of leather Brooks saddles, but thanks for playing. On Monday, June 17, 2013 6:27:33 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: There are a growing number of prosperous vegans in the UK, US, EU, and of course India, who like nice things without dead animals in them. The majority is not yet enlightened, but we are growing and we are very willing to spend our money on products that don't need to kill an animal to make. And yes, many currently available race saddles are synthetic. They are also for the most part gawsh forsaken torture devices. On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:08:57 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: Hmm, good point. Although calling 1000 non-leather Brooks saddles limited is pushing the concept, in my opinion. I'm not at all convinced there's much of a market for one. Joe I've been wrong before Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, June 17, 2013 5:56:28 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote: Actually my reading of the letter is that their first production run is going to be a limited edition at 145 quid. These will all be numbered. I would suspect that sales after the limited edition will be less expensive. Now, on Monday 17th June, a specially dedicated website for the new Cambium Saddles goes live and an initial limited edition is available for sale with each saddle's number etched into its nose rivet. We are offering a total of 1,200 pieces: -1,000 C17 Gents Saddles -200 C17s Ladies Saddles http://www.brooksengland.com/**catalogue-and-shop/saddles/** touring+%26+trekking/Cambium+**C17+Ltd+Edition/http://www.brooksengland.com/catalogue-and-shop/saddles/touring+%26+trekking/Cambium+C17+Ltd+Edition/ In the surveys I've filled out as one of the first 200 (it went up) I've kept saying I'd pay under $125 (or was it $135) which was the lowest option. Not that they'll listen to me. :-) Aloha, Bob On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.comwrote: Hmm. I assumed this would be an attempt to make a Brooks saddle more accessible to the masses, both in construction and price. I don't think the market is hollering for a Brooks just as pricey as the leather ones, but without the leather. An odd decision, in my opinion. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16:04 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: New Brooks mail today - 145 quid for this saddle. that's the same price as a Select Grade B17, etc. Looks like the wrong end of the market to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfhar...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
Wouldn't it be nice to discuss this saddle on the basis of its merits rather than all this /politics/? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
Its too narrow for my fat ass. If they make a wide one in a year or two I will give it a look. Should come in somewhat cheaper than the standard offerings considering its made of rubber and cotton. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Wouldn't it be nice to discuss this saddle on the basis of its merits rather than all this /politics/? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
Thanks, I found that and a couple others with that newfangled Googley thing you kids talk so much about. I've always like those little foldy/take-apart bikes, but never bothered to look for a forum before. On Monday, June 10, 2013 9:17:49 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote: No, there is only the RBW owners bunch list. But if another list existed and if it were about Bike Fridays more information would be available here : http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak Aloha, Bob On Jun 10, 2013 6:07 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: There's a Bike Friday list? On Monday, June 10, 2013 8:06:38 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote: I've now moved the C-17 over to my Quickbeam. After the demise of my Hunq's rear wheel it seemed to be the right move. I put in about 12 miles so far today and, once again, the saddle was good. And as I'd moved the entire seat post I didn't really have to spend any time get the angle right. http://www.flickr.com/photos/**mgps-bob/sets/**72157634057431129/http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157634057431129/ That's probably it for now on this topic for me unless someone has specific questions. I'll keep riding it and fill out the surveys Brooks sends me. Maybe at the end of the summer I'll post a long term review. I may also move it over to my Bike Friday in a week or two in preparation for RAGBRAI 2013 http://ragbrai.com/. Of course I'll be posting that report to the BF list. :-) Anyone from this list going to the ride in Iowa this year? Aloha, Bob On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Zoraster mindh...@gmail.com wrote: I'm setting up two bikes for easy rides this month. A bit of rest this year and simple rides to local shops with the wife. The Touring bike has to wait for next year. The new Brooks Saddle looks made for the bikes I'm building! Finally Getting my wife to enjoy rides with me! My Brooks love continues! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-**UShttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfhar...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
Robert-
I'm a new Riv owner ('97 Road) and will be riding Thurs, Fri, and Sat of my
first RAGBRAI this year.
Tim
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, I found that and a couple others with that newfangled Googley
thing you kids talk so much about. I've always like those little
foldy/take-apart bikes, but never bothered to look for a forum before.
On Monday, June 10, 2013 9:17:49 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:
No, there is only the RBW owners bunch list. But if another list
existed and if it were about Bike Fridays more information would be
available here :
http://mx.bikefriday.com/**mailman/listinfo/yakhttp://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak
Aloha,
Bob
On Jun 10, 2013 6:07 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com wrote:
There's a Bike Friday list?
On Monday, June 10, 2013 8:06:38 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:
I've now moved the C-17 over to my Quickbeam. After the demise of my
Hunq's rear wheel it seemed to be the right move. I put in about 12 miles
so far today and, once again, the saddle was good. And as I'd moved the
entire seat post I didn't really have to spend any time get the angle
right.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/**m**gps-bob/sets/**72157634057431129**/http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157634057431129/
That's probably it for now on this topic for me unless someone has
specific questions. I'll keep riding it and fill out the surveys Brooks
sends me. Maybe at the end of the summer I'll post a long term review.
I may also move it over to my Bike Friday in a week or two in
preparation for RAGBRAI 2013 http://ragbrai.com/. Of course I'll be
posting that report to the BF list. :-) Anyone from this list going to the
ride in Iowa this year?
Aloha,
Bob
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Zoraster mindh...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm setting up two bikes for easy rides this month. A bit of rest this
year and simple rides to local shops with the wife. The Touring bike has
to
wait for next year. The new Brooks Saddle looks made for the bikes I'm
building! Finally Getting my wife to enjoy rides with me! My Brooks love
continues!
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[RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
I'm setting up two bikes for easy rides this month. A bit of rest this year and simple rides to local shops with the wife. The Touring bike has to wait for next year. The new Brooks Saddle looks made for the bikes I'm building! Finally Getting my wife to enjoy rides with me! My Brooks love continues! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
I've now moved the C-17 over to my Quickbeam. After the demise of my Hunq's rear wheel it seemed to be the right move. I put in about 12 miles so far today and, once again, the saddle was good. And as I'd moved the entire seat post I didn't really have to spend any time get the angle right. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157634057431129/ That's probably it for now on this topic for me unless someone has specific questions. I'll keep riding it and fill out the surveys Brooks sends me. Maybe at the end of the summer I'll post a long term review. I may also move it over to my Bike Friday in a week or two in preparation for RAGBRAI 2013 http://ragbrai.com/. Of course I'll be posting that report to the BF list. :-) Anyone from this list going to the ride in Iowa this year? Aloha, Bob On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Zoraster mindham...@gmail.com wrote: I'm setting up two bikes for easy rides this month. A bit of rest this year and simple rides to local shops with the wife. The Touring bike has to wait for next year. The new Brooks Saddle looks made for the bikes I'm building! Finally Getting my wife to enjoy rides with me! My Brooks love continues! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
There's a Bike Friday list? On Monday, June 10, 2013 8:06:38 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote: I've now moved the C-17 over to my Quickbeam. After the demise of my Hunq's rear wheel it seemed to be the right move. I put in about 12 miles so far today and, once again, the saddle was good. And as I'd moved the entire seat post I didn't really have to spend any time get the angle right. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157634057431129/ That's probably it for now on this topic for me unless someone has specific questions. I'll keep riding it and fill out the surveys Brooks sends me. Maybe at the end of the summer I'll post a long term review. I may also move it over to my Bike Friday in a week or two in preparation for RAGBRAI 2013 http://ragbrai.com/. Of course I'll be posting that report to the BF list. :-) Anyone from this list going to the ride in Iowa this year? Aloha, Bob On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Zoraster mindh...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I'm setting up two bikes for easy rides this month. A bit of rest this year and simple rides to local shops with the wife. The Touring bike has to wait for next year. The new Brooks Saddle looks made for the bikes I'm building! Finally Getting my wife to enjoy rides with me! My Brooks love continues! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfhar...@gmail.com javascript: statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
No, there is only the RBW owners bunch list. But if another list existed and if it were about Bike Fridays more information would be available here : http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak Aloha, Bob On Jun 10, 2013 6:07 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: There's a Bike Friday list? On Monday, June 10, 2013 8:06:38 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote: I've now moved the C-17 over to my Quickbeam. After the demise of my Hunq's rear wheel it seemed to be the right move. I put in about 12 miles so far today and, once again, the saddle was good. And as I'd moved the entire seat post I didn't really have to spend any time get the angle right. http://www.flickr.com/photos/**mgps-bob/sets/**72157634057431129/http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157634057431129/ That's probably it for now on this topic for me unless someone has specific questions. I'll keep riding it and fill out the surveys Brooks sends me. Maybe at the end of the summer I'll post a long term review. I may also move it over to my Bike Friday in a week or two in preparation for RAGBRAI 2013 http://ragbrai.com/. Of course I'll be posting that report to the BF list. :-) Anyone from this list going to the ride in Iowa this year? Aloha, Bob On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Zoraster mindh...@gmail.com wrote: I'm setting up two bikes for easy rides this month. A bit of rest this year and simple rides to local shops with the wife. The Touring bike has to wait for next year. The new Brooks Saddle looks made for the bikes I'm building! Finally Getting my wife to enjoy rides with me! My Brooks love continues! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-**UShttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfhar...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look
I was chosen as one of the first 100 folks to receive a Brooks Cambium C-17 saddle. Mine just arrived today and while I haven't yet mounted it on a bike (probably my daily ride, the Hunq), I did take some pictures to prove it happened. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/sets/72157633977211833/ I generally ride the B-17 model and I've got a bunch of those in standard, Special, and the new Select. The C-17 definitely feels lighter (though of course that's not really a concern). It also is made with less material than a B-17 and doesn't have the 'skirting' down the sides. Since it doesn't feel as 'slick' as worn leather I wondering if it'll grab the inside of my pant legs. I guess we'll find out. The overall look of the saddle is pleasing and I'm sure it'll look nice on my Hunq (or QB). I was sent one in 'natural' and I'm pretty sure it's going to get dirty quick...I've heard that from one of the other testers who read an blog entry I wrote when I was informed I'd been chosen. Unfortunately I've to run a non-bike errand right now so mounting it and the first ride will have to come a bit later. I'm thinking I should just mount it and and then swap seat posts between my Hunq and my QB to give it workout on both bikes. While the first 100 have been chosen and probably have all received their saddles (living in Hawaii I'm probably one of the last to receive the shipment), the did open it up by 50 more. I don't know if they've been chosen but Brooks did suggest everyone sign up because one could be chosen for other products. The sign-up page is still open at: http://www.brooksengland.com/cambium/ Aloha! Bob -- Robert Harrison Honolulu, HI rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
