[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Max S]

Drew, how is the 650b Atlantis working out?.. 

- Max “maybe 27.5x2.2 is fat enough, and who needs a MTB?” in A2

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Max S]

Congrats on resolving the dilemma!.. and the resolve to carry through! 

(As I lay convalescing, suddenly I feel old and infirm. If / when I ride again, 
I wonder if just getting a Clem L is gonna be my ticket. Just make life easier. 
I don’t need to go fast or look like I could go fast, I just need a comfy bike 
to stick to the dirt roads...) 

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[drew]

Sam was sold and the Hunq is going to get packed up and shipped out this 
week.  My bike right now is an 84 specialized expedition, but i have a 650b 
atlantis (in hunq green on order) and ill sell the expedition once it 
comes. Then i'll be down to one bike, other than one that lives in another 
city. gonna see if i can keep it that way for a while. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Orc]

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 11:32:26 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
>  Anyone of you multi wheelset advocates have a good system for going from 
> slick/fender/dyno light to knobby
>

All of my wheelsets have dynohubs, so in my case it's just a matter of 
popping one wheelset out and dropping another in.   But my tires range from 
25-38, so it's just a matter of setting up the fenders to clear the largest 
tires and not minding the gap when I stuff a tiny-tired wheelset under the 
bike.

-david parsons 

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Philip Kim]

banana connectors?

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 2:32:26 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I love the idea of multiple wheelsets and executed it for my wife's 52cm 
> Clementine. I've got two nearly identical velocity synergy/shimano w/ dyno 
> wheelsets one with Fatty Rumpkins and one with Nobby Nics.  Now the hassle 
> I've found is not the actual swap b/c the brake offset is identical but 
> it's in the fender/lighting situation.  In order for two wheelsets to 
> really offer different riding experiences generally one of the two won't 
> support fender installs.
>
> On my Saluki I've got one wheelset right now and my dyno lights (Rear) and 
> rack (front) are all integrated into my fender install.  It would be a 
> 45min disassembly and possibly longer reassembly to swap out and in the 
> fenders and when I was fenderless I'd loose my rear lighting and have to 
> install a wiring disconnect of some sort.  I guess I could redesign my 
> lighting integration to make it quicker to disconnect.
>
> On my wife's Clem once I first swapped out the rumpkins for knobby I've 
> never reinstalled the fenders... it's been about 3 months.  Maybe I'm 
> unusually lazy.  Anyone of you multi wheelset advocates have a good system 
> for going from slick/fender/dyno light to knobby?  I'd love to have 42mm 
> BSP EL and BG RnR wheelset's to swap for my Saluki...
>
>
> Tony
>
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Geeter]

I have three small ones and "some" bikes.  I love my Hunq and will likely 
not ever get rid of it.  My suggestion is to keep the Hunq, and buy a cool 
kid carrier.  I have a Workcycles Bakfiets and in all honesty, it often 
gets the most road time of all my bikes.  I get to be out with my boys, 
take them places, run errands, and get a legit workout.  It is heavy, but 
it makes you a better rider, allows you to enjoy your other bikes in a 
different way, and gives you time with the kids that you can't spend with 
them in a trailer or even a rear mounted seat.  Yeah, its expensive, but so 
are most worthwhile things in cycling.  Rivs ain't cheap and we all agree 
they are worth it.

>
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Daniel Jackson]

Run your Hunq with large Schwalbe slicks (e.g. Big Ones or the latest 
version of this tire) and you'll never notice a difference between it and a 
650b Atlantis. Really. You know your Hunq fits and you love it.  

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 1:43:42 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> that ceiling thing actually looks kinda promising. there is a subtext of 
> unspoken wife expectation that im either feeling or imagining, and 
> actually, i think Leah's bike suggestion would do a lot to assuage them. 
>
> i do agree that the sam would probably be a totally adequate 1 bike. The 
> problem is that i like the hunq much better. Now my weird mind is actually 
> thinking about a 56cm 650b hunq. i need to stop. 
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[EasyRider]

FWIW, I live in a very small house, have a young kid, and built an 8x10 
shed to avoid the problem discussed here. I don't know if that's an option 
for you, but my shed easily holds my four bikes and a sizable workbench 
with repair stand. Plus the rest of the junk of modern life. Dunno if 
that's an option for you but throwing it out there.

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 9:55:17 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
> problems in your life.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[drew]

im no dynamo expert, but, could you put one of those quick connector things 
near the light and a connector near the hub and swap in the middle section, 
be it the fendered wire or just regular wire?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[drew]

i can change wheels. And now with paul motolites, i don't even need to 
deflate. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Tony DeFilippo]

I love the idea of multiple wheelsets and executed it for my wife's 52cm
Clementine. I've got two nearly identical velocity synergy/shimano w/ dyno
wheelsets one with Fatty Rumpkins and one with Nobby Nics.  Now the hassle
I've found is not the actual swap b/c the brake offset is identical but
it's in the fender/lighting situation.  In order for two wheelsets to
really offer different riding experiences generally one of the two won't
support fender installs.

On my Saluki I've got one wheelset right now and my dyno lights (Rear) and
rack (front) are all integrated into my fender install.  It would be a
45min disassembly and possibly longer reassembly to swap out and in the
fenders and when I was fenderless I'd loose my rear lighting and have to
install a wiring disconnect of some sort.  I guess I could redesign my
lighting integration to make it quicker to disconnect.

On my wife's Clem once I first swapped out the rumpkins for knobby I've
never reinstalled the fenders... it's been about 3 months.  Maybe I'm
unusually lazy.  Anyone of you multi wheelset advocates have a good system
for going from slick/fender/dyno light to knobby?  I'd love to have 42mm
BSP EL and BG RnR wheelset's to swap for my Saluki...


Tony

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Lee Legrand]

I think using what you have and adding what is needed or used is all we
should have.  The accumulations of bicycles is nice but you cant just ride
them all, all the time and justification for having them lessen the reason
to have them.  I read or heard that the late comedian Robin Williams had
many bicycles because he loved how each of them ride but if he were alive,
I doubt he could have ridden all of them to justify having so many.  So
many options to pick from bicycles that ride well and give enjoyment but at
the same time, do we need that many bicycle?

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Bob K.  wrote:

> This is always an interesting thought experiment, if nothing else. I've
> decided that n=2 for me: a Sam (with 42 Soma Shikoros) and a Surly Troll
> (with 3" WTB Rangers). I'm going to roll with this combination for the
> foreseeable future--maybe even take DP's advice and do three years--that
> seems like the minimum amount of time one would need to practice
> contentment. As an interesting connection, my stable "ballooned" from one
> to two bikes after my daughter was born. She's 2.5 now, and the Sam has
> proven to be capable as a kid hauler, but I'm happy to add the Troll to
> take over that role.
>
> That said, in your situation, with your bikes, I'd sell what I have and
> buy the Atlantis and two wheelsets. As the father of a 2.5 year old, I
> don't think that swapping wheels is that big of a deal. If you've got
> cantis or v-brakes (or any other brakes) it's a super simple process and
> while it might add a few minutes to you getting out of the house, if that
> amount of time is going to affect whether or not you can go for a ride, you
> probably shouldn't be going in the first place. Also, it's not like you
> can't commute on big nobbies--or ride trails on slicks--if the three
> minutes to swap wheels is really going to make or break your ride.
>
> So yeah, I'd say get the Atlantis. I would've bought one back in 2009 when
> I bought my Sam if I could've afforded it, and even though my two-bike
> stable more than takes care of everything that an Atlantis can do (and
> more), I still covet one.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Bob K.]

This is always an interesting thought experiment, if nothing else. I've 
decided that n=2 for me: a Sam (with 42 Soma Shikoros) and a Surly Troll 
(with 3" WTB Rangers). I'm going to roll with this combination for the 
foreseeable future--maybe even take DP's advice and do three years--that 
seems like the minimum amount of time one would need to practice 
contentment. As an interesting connection, my stable "ballooned" from one 
to two bikes after my daughter was born. She's 2.5 now, and the Sam has 
proven to be capable as a kid hauler, but I'm happy to add the Troll to 
take over that role.

That said, in your situation, with your bikes, I'd sell what I have and buy 
the Atlantis and two wheelsets. As the father of a 2.5 year old, I don't 
think that swapping wheels is that big of a deal. If you've got cantis or 
v-brakes (or any other brakes) it's a super simple process and while it 
might add a few minutes to you getting out of the house, if that amount of 
time is going to affect whether or not you can go for a ride, you probably 
shouldn't be going in the first place. Also, it's not like you can't 
commute on big nobbies--or ride trails on slicks--if the three minutes to 
swap wheels is really going to make or break your ride. 

So yeah, I'd say get the Atlantis. I would've bought one back in 2009 when 
I bought my Sam if I could've afforded it, and even though my two-bike 
stable more than takes care of everything that an Atlantis can do (and 
more), I still covet one. 

Good luck!

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Brewster Fong]

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 10:28:03 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Sell everything but the Sam and buy northing else. Chances are you will be 
> just fine, since the Sam can do all of the riding and eventual kid hauling 
> (Congratulations!) that you will likely do. Set it up with new 
> bars/saddle/rack if you need to.
>
> I have 2 bikes my AHH and a 1989 Trek 950 mountain bike. I have divested 
> myself of bikes in the double digit number range and I love the simplicity 
> of it. If it is not single track riding, AHH. If I am riding trails, Trek.
>
> Swapping wheels, while not complicated is an added complication. When 
> little ones arrive, your "free time" tends to get taken up pretty quickly, 
> completely and often times, unexpectedly. Anything that adds an additional 
> layer of management makes it more complicated than it has to be. It is just 
> one more possible impediment to actually riding when your time is not your 
> own anymore.
>

I don't understand this statement -  "Swapping wheels, while not 
complicated is an added complication."  So you're recommending this guy 
"sell everything" and just ride. I get that. But then what happens if he 
breaks a spoke or something happens to his wheels?!  Shouldn't a 
spare/backup/extra set of wheels be available?!  Otherwise, if something 
happens to his one pair, he's out and can't ride at all?!  

Further, I don't know the OP nor do I know his mechanical abilities, but 
swapping wheels is not complicated nor does it add any kind of 
complication. After all, he has to take off and put on a wheel if he gets a 
flat?! As a single parent having to raise two girls, by myself since they 
were 6 and 8, there were times I couldn't get to the bike. Having a backup 
set of wheels or 3 ;)  was very helpful when I did find time to ride and 
found a broken spoke. Of course, YMMV!  Good Luck! 

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Orc]

Then keep the hunq and purge everything else. What's the BB drop on the 
thing?

-david parsons

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 10:43:42 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> that ceiling thing actually looks kinda promising. there is a subtext of 
> unspoken wife expectation that im either feeling or imagining, and 
> actually, i think Leah's bike suggestion would do a lot to assuage them. 
>
> i do agree that the sam would probably be a totally adequate 1 bike. The 
> problem is that i like the hunq much better. Now my weird mind is actually 
> thinking about a 56cm 650b hunq. i need to stop. 
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[drew]

that ceiling thing actually looks kinda promising. there is a subtext of 
unspoken wife expectation that im either feeling or imagining, and 
actually, i think Leah's bike suggestion would do a lot to assuage them. 

i do agree that the sam would probably be a totally adequate 1 bike. The 
problem is that i like the hunq much better. Now my weird mind is actually 
thinking about a 56cm 650b hunq. i need to stop. 

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Brian Campbell]

Sell everything but the Sam and buy northing else. Chances are you will be 
just fine, since the Sam can do all of the riding and eventual kid hauling 
(Congratulations!) that you will likely do. Set it up with new 
bars/saddle/rack if you need to.

I have 2 bikes my AHH and a 1989 Trek 950 mountain bike. I have divested 
myself of bikes in the double digit number range and I love the simplicity 
of it. If it is not single track riding, AHH. If I am riding trails, Trek.

Swapping wheels, while not complicated is an added complication. When 
little ones arrive, your "free time" tends to get taken up pretty quickly, 
completely and often times, unexpectedly. Anything that adds an additional 
layer of management makes it more complicated than it has to be. It is just 
one more possible impediment to actually riding when your time is not your 
own anymore.

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Surlyprof]

Drew, 

How tall are your ceilings? 
 http://www.businessinsider.com/stowaway-bike-storage-system-2015-12

John

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 6:55:17 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
> problems in your life.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[drew]

Eric, your point is acknowledged and agreed with. 

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Eric Douglas]

I just want to second the idea of getting two sets of wheel for that one 
bike and *to make sure that the rims have the same width*--will make wheel 
changes much easier.

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 2:23:33 AM UTC-4, Ian A wrote:
>
> One bike + a home workshop.
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:30:52 PM UTC-6, christian poppell wrote:
>>
>> I believe Jobst Brandt had only one bike and he went everywhere! I think 
>> you can satisfy want and need all in one shot. You want an Atlantis and at 
>> that point you only need one bike! Done!
>>
>> Optimization is the enemy of opportunity. I've had more fun using the 
>> "wrong" bike than using what would be considered the "right" bike. I think 
>> a 650b atlantis in your size with the right tires would get you a lot of 
>> places. Heck! You don't even really need knobbies unless its super muddy. I 
>> would sell all and get some 42c slicks and ride them till they're worn 
>> through. Go for the Atlantis!
>>
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Ian A]

One bike + a home workshop.

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:30:52 PM UTC-6, christian poppell wrote:
>
> I believe Jobst Brandt had only one bike and he went everywhere! I think 
> you can satisfy want and need all in one shot. You want an Atlantis and at 
> that point you only need one bike! Done!
>
> Optimization is the enemy of opportunity. I've had more fun using the 
> "wrong" bike than using what would be considered the "right" bike. I think 
> a 650b atlantis in your size with the right tires would get you a lot of 
> places. Heck! You don't even really need knobbies unless its super muddy. I 
> would sell all and get some 42c slicks and ride them till they're worn 
> through. Go for the Atlantis!
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Orc]

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 2:53:20 PM UTC-7, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Orc,
>
> Do you have any pictures of the tandem style cabling?  I would be curious 
> how that works to easily swap handle bars.
>

No pictures, but S sells them @ http://www.sandsmachine.com/ac_cable.htm

-david parsons

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Pondero]

Drew said..."Oh man. You have a rambler and an adventure bike? Why would anyone 
need another bike?"

To answer his question, and sort of aim back at the original one bike idea, let 
me say that I don't need another bike...but I also have a Quickbeam.  Any one 
of my bikes could be a "one bike" for me (not that I am seeking that 
currently).  I enjoy each of them that much.  So my advice on the downsizing 
thing is to keep one that speaks to your soul, and accessorize to broaden the 
experience.  Keep the stoke alive until it comes time to n + 1.

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Patrick Moore]

*NEVER* mind. I see you said "under 40" and not "over 40".

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On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> There are certainly other reasons than the Joneses to have more than 1
> bike!
>
> Drew: If you put a gun to my head and told me, "Choose just one," and if
> you weren't going to use fat tires, why not the Sam? Though an Atlantis
> would be Riv model #2 on my list, after the Roadeo, if I had a Riv list.
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I never was very much into keeping with the Jonses anyways even when I
>> could, ahahahaha ! Riding to me is very much just like surfing, no one to
>> keep up with and nothing to overcome, just being in the flow of the moment.
>>
>> --
>>
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Ian A]

I would say keep the Hunq and at least one of the other three (a back-up 
commuter is an essential for me). You could always have the canti mounts 
moved on the Hunq to the 650b position, questions of BB clearance, but 
that's often solved by running a wider tire. I have a frame and fork with 
the frame builder right now going through 650b to 26" canti surgery. It's a 
small investment to customize a bike to fit your personal needs entirely. 
 The paint trauma is localized and can be touched up tastefully. 

One normally loses money selling a bicycle and a new bike, although a 
worthwhile investment, often adds up in price, not to mention the time it 
takes to compile the parts and build everything together.

IanA (Desperately trying to organize a three bike maximum, but somehow 
always ending up at four).


On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 7:55:17 PM UTC-6, drew wrote:
>
> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
> problems in your life.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Patrick Moore]

There are certainly other reasons than the Joneses to have more than 1 bike!

Drew: If you put a gun to my head and told me, "Choose just one," and if
you weren't going to use fat tires, why not the Sam? Though an Atlantis
would be Riv model #2 on my list, after the Roadeo, if I had a Riv list.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Garth  wrote:

>
>
> I never was very much into keeping with the Jonses anyways even when I
> could, ahahahaha ! Riding to me is very much just like surfing, no one to
> keep up with and nothing to overcome, just being in the flow of the moment.
>
> --
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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[drew]

Oh man. You have a rambler and an adventure bike? Why would anyone need another 
bike?

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Patrick Moore]

50 mm tires versus 1" tires, actual width 22-24 mm depending on rim; both
on NORBA era mountain bike with drop bar. The bikes I have in mind were
notable for their very neutral -- very sweet -- handing with 2" tires, but
put on a 26 X 1" tire and the handling was neither stable in a straight
line, nor even in a turn; lousy. That's why I went back to a road bike,
even if my road bike as a roadified '92 XO-1.

Even with 35 mm Fatboys the handling on these bikes -- '90 SJ Comp, '91 SJ
Team, '89 or '88 Bikeology higher end mtb; possibly used narrower (35 mm)
tires on the early '90s DB Axis Team -- was less stable and turned in less
evenly. This with at least 4 bikes so converted, perhaps 5 -- can't
remember if I ran anything but 60s on the last one, but I do recall being
struck by how well it handled compared to other setups with 60 mm Big
Apples.

Even my early '95 Riv Road custom was somewhat twitchy with 26 X 1s and
handled best with (26") 1.25 Paselas (this was pre-Elk Pass or Kojak) (the
later ones handled exquisitely with 23s and with 35s).

Perhaps the change is due to front centers or contact patches; who knows.
The point is that swapping tires does not always come without penalties.

And a 3/4" drop in bb height can be problematical if you start with a 10
1/2" bb; less so if you start with a 11 1/2" or 12" bb. Even a 10 1/2" high
bb leaves you prone to pedal strike if you don't coast in corners and with
very narrow Q (130, 170 mm length) and low profile pedals (RX-1s Keos,
X-2s), as I know from experience.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Orc  wrote:

>
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:28:18 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Visually, but certainly not in serviceability! Your 650B wheels will
>> leave your bb 3/4" closer to the floor. Much more to the point would be
>> 650B X 42s which are about the same diameter of 700C X 25s.
>>
>
> Yes.   So don't try to shred the gnar with the 25s;  for that, pop in
> your wheelset with 2" tires.
>
>
>> Also, a bike designed to handle well with 42 or 50 mm tires won't handle
>> as well with 25s, at least that is my experience with roadified mountain
>> bikes that handle well with 50s and lousily with 25s.
>>
>
> How do you mean lousily?   The only difference I've noticed with
> larger (fsvo "larger" -- my idea of fat tires are the 38mm Pari-Motos on my
> sweet fixie and mountainhack) tires are that they spin up slower and don't
> get bounced around as much on loose gravel.  But at speed on pavement I'd
> find it hard to pick any handling differences that don't point back at the
> length of the front triangle instead of the shape of the contact patches.
>
>-david parsons
>
>
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Orc  wrote:
>>
>>>  (A machine with 650x25b tires is visually indistinguishable from a
>>> 700x25c machine until you either get up close or have it alongside the 700c
>>> machine.)
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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Pondero]

Justin asked..."Which Bantam built machine would you choose? Rambler or 
Adventure bike?"

Fortunately, my Rambler is pre-Bantam, so I think that means I am exempt 
from answering such as ridiculously difficult question, right?  Besides, 
this thread is for Drew's dilemma.  It is much easier to coach than to do.

Go, Drew!

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Garth]

Drew, I ride my Bombadil pretty much 99 percent on road as I simply don't have 
any bike trails around my home, just mostly brutal not frequently used atv 
paths. I prefer road riding anyways, it's not so jarring(usually !). I also 
have nice custom sport touring bike with 35mm tires that rides smoother(thx 
Reynolds 531ST), but it is not any "faster" than my Bomba with the 38-42mm 
tires I ride with. It would not matter even if was percieved as "faster" since 
I ride slow and slower anyways. If I had to have one bike I would keep the 
Bombadil simply because I feel so darn "united" within it, for lack of a better 
way to put it. I am perfectly "centered" within the bike, unlike most any bike 
I have ever owned or ridden where the front-center was never long enough, the 
head tube high enough, and bb height low enough.

I never was very much into keeping with the Jonses anyways even when I could, 
ahahahaha ! Riding to me is very much just like surfing, no one to keep up with 
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[REC]

I'm not that knowledgeable about bikes in particular, but the hung is your 
"favorite"  and it's obvious from your follow up replies that  it brings 
you so much joy.  I wouldn't sell anything that brings that much 
happiness.  After that, you can decide if the Sam (no more monetary layout) 
or the Atlantis or another bike would be a good 2nd.  

I have one of those wall leaning bike racks, so I can store two bikes in 
the space of one in a narrow breezeway.  Both are available any time I want 
to ride AND I get an upper body workout putting a bike on the top tier.  :)

When I was selling, I'd say "buy what you love."  In this case, I say "keep 
what you love."  It will cost you less in the long run AND make you happier 
AND with some creative storage solutions, give you space.

Congratulations on the new baby.

Roberta

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 9:55:17 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:

> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
> problems in your life.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[drew]

i think that, in all foreseeable likelihood, i wont be running a tire under 
40mm... especially on the hunq. right now it has 700x2.25 tires and feels 
somewhat monstrous on the 54cm frame. the vintage trek has 26x2.2 tires and 
it feels almost too nimble. so the idea of splitting that difference with 
650b is appealing. 

if sticking with the hunq, it would probably be a snoqualmie pass situation 
for city and something 2.1ish and tougher for tour and trail. i think i 
could use a similar rim width for both those. 

Aesthetically, 29er wheels on a smallish frame sort of bugs my eye too. 

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Jonathan D.]

I would add that I think the Appaloosa would be a great solution as well for 
one bike and the long chain stays have been nice with a bike seat. 

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Jonathan D.]

Orc,

Do you have any pictures of the tandem style cabling?  I would be curious how 
that works to easily swap handle bars. 

I like the two wheel solution but to Patrick's point you are probably not going 
with a 23mm and 50 mm option. Maybe 40mm and 50mm?  I would say with a new born 
you run out of time to fiddle with a bike setup. I would say keep the Hung for 
now and keep your eye out for a 650b Atlantis if a deal
Comes up. You are in a position to be patient. 

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Wayne Naha]

Congrats on your upcoming bundle of joy!  It's the start of everything. 
 But back to bikes, I'd sell two of them right off just for the sake of 
domestic tranquility, the two vintage bikes.  Buy a nice crib and dresser 
with the proceeds.  If you don't really need to sell, but just have no 
place to put the bikes, perhaps you could improvise some outdoor storage? 
 It doesn't have to fancy, just enough to keep the weather off, and keep 
them secured.  If not, I think you are headed towards the 'one bike 
solution.'  In my experience, nothing got my dear wife as ready to blow her 
top as barking her shins (again) on some MKS Touring pedals.  Also, the 
bike as an 'objet d'art' in the living room didn't fly in my house.  Small 
house + no alternative storage = one bike, at least for me.  Now which bike 
should you pick?  Tough choice.  Clearly it's either the Hunq, or the 650b 
Atlantis, and you can't really make a bad choice here.  650b Atlantis, 
though. NIce.
 

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Bill Lindsay]

Drew offered a multiple-choice scenario, based on various motivations and 
constraints, and asked 'what would you do?'

Of the choices given, my honest most-likely choice would be:

-realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
problems in your life.

Assuming that's not what you are going to do, I will add that I think the 
650B Atlantis would/will be a great bike.  

BL in EC


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>
> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
> problems in your life.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Orc]

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:28:18 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Visually, but certainly not in serviceability! Your 650B wheels will leave 
> your bb 3/4" closer to the floor. Much more to the point would be 650B X 
> 42s which are about the same diameter of 700C X 25s.
>

Yes.   So don't try to shred the gnar with the 25s;  for that, pop in 
your wheelset with 2" tires.
 

> Also, a bike designed to handle well with 42 or 50 mm tires won't handle 
> as well with 25s, at least that is my experience with roadified mountain 
> bikes that handle well with 50s and lousily with 25s.
>

How do you mean lousily?   The only difference I've noticed with larger 
(fsvo "larger" -- my idea of fat tires are the 38mm Pari-Motos on my sweet 
fixie and mountainhack) tires are that they spin up slower and don't get 
bounced around as much on loose gravel.  But at speed on pavement I'd find 
it hard to pick any handling differences that don't point back at the 
length of the front triangle instead of the shape of the contact patches.

   -david parsons


>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Orc  
> wrote:
>
>>  (A machine with 650x25b tires is visually indistinguishable from a 
>> 700x25c machine until you either get up close or have it alongside the 700c 
>> machine.)  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Ray Varella]

One other thing to consider and it may have already been mentioned. 
If you go with two sets of wheels, consider having the width of the rims very 
close or the same as each other.  
If you have to completely readjust your brakes every time you make a wheel 
swap, you won't be as likely to get all the added utility that "one" bike was 
intended to offer. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Patrick Moore]

Visually, but certainly not in serviceability! Your 650B wheels will leave
your bb 3/4" closer to the floor. Much more to the point would be 650B X
42s which are about the same diameter of 700C X 25s.

Also, a bike designed to handle well with 42 or 50 mm tires won't handle as
well with 25s, at least that is my experience with roadified mountain bikes
that handle well with 50s and lousily with 25s.


On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Orc  wrote:

>  (A machine with 650x25b tires is visually indistinguishable from a
> 700x25c machine until you either get up close or have it alongside the 700c
> machine.)
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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Patrick Moore]

Brewster: If you care to post photos and brief descriptions of your bikes,
I'd be interested in looking at them.

I used to have 1 bike with 3 wheelsets: 50 mm off road, 32 mm commuting,
and 22 mm gofast, all with the appropriate cassettes. Sure, it all worked,
but I was still limited by one bike: a bike that is optimized for dirt
isn't optimized for road, and vice versa, and a bike optimized for
commuting is not optimized for dirt bashing or gofast riding (Jan will
disagree, but I disagree with him, and the long-term existence of mountain
bikes and racing bikes backs this up). I finally decided that I needed a
road bike, and got one (that was the 1992 XO-1, set up as a gofast).



On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Brewster Fong  wrote:

> I don't understand having only one bike, especially if you commute, tour
> or just ride a lot. I guess if a person is on top of maintenance and things
> don't break, it should work. However, I found that one bike, even with
> several wheelsets isn't enough. I have had things break when I'm ready to
> go out and didn't have time to look at my bike the night before. Unless
> space is an issue, having a second bike provides security by having a
> backup and also some versatility as you can even have more than one type -
> a commuter/tourer/all arounder type bike for everyday use and maybe a
> weekend bike for go-fast rides or off-roading.
>
> As a roady, my bikes then to lean towards the "go-fast" route and weigh
> between 15 to 19lbs. However, being the "fat guy" in the group, it really
> doesn't matter how light my bikes are as the engine is still weak. But I'm
> working on it.
>
> Otherwise, if you really can't have more than one bike, I agree that two
> or more wheelsets is the way to go!
>
> Good Luck!
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 10:45:25 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>> All good advice. While i had considered a set of different tires, a
>> totally different wheelset+tires seems like it would do more to access the
>> bike's versatility in a convenient way. and then i'd have an excuse to
>> experiment with compass tires... interesting.
>>>
>>>
>> In reality, the sam may be better suited to my actual needs, but i love
>> the hunq more, and i find that touring with a bike leaves me deeply
>> sentimental about our relationship and time together, even if it isnt the
>> most practical in non-touring times. Selling it, i fear, would be almost
>> immediately regrettable.
>>
>> ill try to answer some of the questions.
>> -my roady friends aren't super roady, but a few have invested in nice
>> carbon or titanium bikes. when we ride, it isnt for speed or time, but i
>> have felt like im slowing them down.
>> -i also have a 1985 trek 870, and a miyata mixte also a 91
>> stumpjumper frame. none of them are essential or get ridden very much.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Orc]

If space is more important than money, strip the Hunq down to the frame and 
tuck it into the corner (or hang it in the closet, or on a wall) for later 
when you've got more time, space, and mental energy) and then look at the 
other 3 bicycles for weeding down to one.

The 650b do-it-all is not a completely ridiculous idea.  A comfy frame with 
room for 2" tires -- as long as it doesn't have an insanely low bottom 
bracket -- will also let you put narrow tires onto the thing and play 
discount roadie.(A machine with 650x25b tires is visually 
indistinguishable from a 700x25c machine until you either get up close or 
have it alongside the 700c machine.)   If you used tandem-style 
quick-disconnects for your brake cables (and shifter cables if you're using 
bar-end shiftters) you could even have a mustache (or flat) bar, a set of 
cruiser bars, or even drop bars that you could flip in and out with almost 
as little effort as it would take to pop one wheelset and put in another.

-david parsons

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 10:45:25 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> All good advice. While i had considered a set of different tires, a 
> totally different wheelset+tires seems like it would do more to access the 
> bike's versatility in a convenient way. and then i'd have an excuse to 
> experiment with compass tires... interesting. 
>>
>>
> In reality, the sam may be better suited to my actual needs, but i love 
> the hunq more, and i find that touring with a bike leaves me deeply 
> sentimental about our relationship and time together, even if it isnt the 
> most practical in non-touring times. Selling it, i fear, would be almost 
> immediately regrettable. 
>
> ill try to answer some of the questions.
> -my roady friends aren't super roady, but a few have invested in nice 
> carbon or titanium bikes. when we ride, it isnt for speed or time, but i 
> have felt like im slowing them down. 
> -i also have a 1985 trek 870, and a miyata mixte also a 91 stumpjumper 
> frame. none of them are essential or get ridden very much.
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Surlyprof]

The CX-50s, or any brake that clears the forks and chainstays completely, 
will help a lot with wheel change out.  I've got older Tektros and have to 
deflate the fatter tires every time I swap wheels (which I do pretty 
often).   I'll definitely get some when I feel more financially flush and 
wear out my last pair of replacement brake shoes.

John

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 10:45:25 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> All good advice. While i had considered a set of different tires, a 
> totally different wheelset+tires seems like it would do more to access the 
> bike's versatility in a convenient way. and then i'd have an excuse to 
> experiment with compass tires... interesting. 
>>
>>
> In reality, the sam may be better suited to my actual needs, but i love 
> the hunq more, and i find that touring with a bike leaves me deeply 
> sentimental about our relationship and time together, even if it isnt the 
> most practical in non-touring times. Selling it, i fear, would be almost 
> immediately regrettable. 
>
> ill try to answer some of the questions.
> -my roady friends aren't super roady, but a few have invested in nice 
> carbon or titanium bikes. when we ride, it isnt for speed or time, but i 
> have felt like im slowing them down. 
> -i also have a 1985 trek 870, and a miyata mixte also a 91 stumpjumper 
> frame. none of them are essential or get ridden very much.
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Brewster Fong]

I don't understand having only one bike, especially if you commute, tour or 
just ride a lot. I guess if a person is on top of maintenance and things 
don't break, it should work. However, I found that one bike, even with 
several wheelsets isn't enough. I have had things break when I'm ready to 
go out and didn't have time to look at my bike the night before. Unless 
space is an issue, having a second bike provides security by having a 
backup and also some versatility as you can even have more than one type - 
a commuter/tourer/all arounder type bike for everyday use and maybe a 
weekend bike for go-fast rides or off-roading.  

As a roady, my bikes then to lean towards the "go-fast" route and weigh 
between 15 to 19lbs. However, being the "fat guy" in the group, it really 
doesn't matter how light my bikes are as the engine is still weak. But I'm 
working on it.

Otherwise, if you really can't have more than one bike, I agree that two or 
more wheelsets is the way to go! 

Good Luck! 

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 10:45:25 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> All good advice. While i had considered a set of different tires, a 
> totally different wheelset+tires seems like it would do more to access the 
> bike's versatility in a convenient way. and then i'd have an excuse to 
> experiment with compass tires... interesting. 
>>
>>
> In reality, the sam may be better suited to my actual needs, but i love 
> the hunq more, and i find that touring with a bike leaves me deeply 
> sentimental about our relationship and time together, even if it isnt the 
> most practical in non-touring times. Selling it, i fear, would be almost 
> immediately regrettable. 
>
> ill try to answer some of the questions.
> -my roady friends aren't super roady, but a few have invested in nice 
> carbon or titanium bikes. when we ride, it isnt for speed or time, but i 
> have felt like im slowing them down. 
> -i also have a 1985 trek 870, and a miyata mixte also a 91 stumpjumper 
> frame. none of them are essential or get ridden very much.
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Justin August]

Drew-
While I tend to advocate for not buying new things, making what you have work, 
etc…
You could also:
Sell everything.
Buy a new 650b Atlantis
2 wheel sets:
1) 36hole Atlas Rims with 650b x 2.1 tires
2) 32hole Pacenti brevet rims with 650b x 42/48 tires (Compass EL)

Then you get a new bike, new wheels and the versatility that you desire.
-J

On May 30, 2017, 10:45 AM -0700, drew , wrote:

> All good advice. While i had considered a set of different tires, a totally 
> different wheelset+tires seems like it would do more to access the bike's 
> versatility in a convenient way. and then i'd have an excuse to experiment 
> with compass tires... interesting.
>
> In reality, the sam may be better suited to my actual needs, but i love the 
> hunq more, and i find that touring with a bike leaves me deeply sentimental 
> about our relationship and time together, even if it isnt the most practical 
> in non-touring times. Selling it, i fear, would be almost immediately 
> regrettable.
>
> ill try to answer some of the questions.
> -my roady friends aren't super roady, but a few have invested in nice carbon 
> or titanium bikes. when we ride, it isnt for speed or time, but i have felt 
> like im slowing them down.
> -i also have a 1985 trek 870, and a miyata mixte also a 91 stumpjumper 
> frame. none of them are essential or get ridden very much.
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[drew]

All good advice. While i had considered a set of different tires, a totally 
different wheelset+tires seems like it would do more to access the bike's 
versatility in a convenient way. and then i'd have an excuse to experiment 
with compass tires... interesting. 
>
>
In reality, the sam may be better suited to my actual needs, but i love the 
hunq more, and i find that touring with a bike leaves me deeply sentimental 
about our relationship and time together, even if it isnt the most 
practical in non-touring times. Selling it, i fear, would be almost 
immediately regrettable. 

ill try to answer some of the questions.
-my roady friends aren't super roady, but a few have invested in nice 
carbon or titanium bikes. when we ride, it isnt for speed or time, but i 
have felt like im slowing them down. 
-i also have a 1985 trek 870, and a miyata mixte also a 91 stumpjumper 
frame. none of them are essential or get ridden very much.




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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Eric Karnes]

I'm actually in the process of pairing down to one bike at the moment due to 
space constraints. I live in the city and don't do any significant rugged trail 
riding, so a rig very much like Chris's Rambler is perfect for all my riding. 
But if I rode more rough stuff, the Hunq with two wheelsets would be on my 
shortlist.

Eric

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Justin August]

Chris-
Which Bantam built machine would you choose? Rambler or Adventure bike?



On May 30, 2017, 10:23 AM -0700, Pondero , wrote:
> I also like Justin's extra wheelset idea.  Brilliant!  The Hunq is versatile, 
> so why not take full advantage of it?  Sure, it is easier to grab a different 
> bike for a purpose, but changing out wheels is a relatively simple task.  I'm 
> convinced I could (if forced) to get down to a single bike, but I'd probably 
> beg for at least one extra wheelset.
>
> Chris Johnson
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Pondero]

I also like Justin's extra wheelset idea.  Brilliant!  The Hunq is 
versatile, so why not take full advantage of it?  Sure, it is easier to 
grab a different bike for a purpose, but changing out wheels is a 
relatively simple task.  I'm convinced I could (if forced) to get down to a 
single bike, but I'd probably beg for at least one extra wheelset.

Chris Johnson
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Orc]

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 8:14:18 AM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>
>  The problems with converting [to 650b] is it would require moving the 
> canti posts and a repaint and it lowers your bottom bracket (pedal strike).
>

Yes and no.  I converted my Trek 1000 to 650b a few years ago and have 
ridden it almost exclusively (I there was a week after a sidewall tear when 
I had to use a H*tr* until the next shipment of Confreries arrived from 
xxcycle) with 32 & 25mm tires -- maybe 5000 miles? -- and I think I've 
maybe had two pedal strikes.If the plan is to embrace your inner 
fatbike, what the ERD took away will be given back by the tire diameter.

And moving the canti posts is just a hour or so with hacksaw, file, torch, 
and a new pair of posts because hacksawing the old posts off destroys them 
(or you could pay a framebuilder to stick the new posts on instead.)

-david parsons

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Kieran J]

Congrats on your burgeoning family, Drew. I don't have any kids so I don't 
have first-hand experience with that journey but I DO know that I like 
having a quick bike in addition to my commuter-type one. 

I might echo David's thought on keeping the Hunq and keeping/adding a fasty 
bike? Even a cheap old Trek or some such might be a nice thing to have 
around. Even if you're strapped for time with a baby, a 15-minute toot to 
get some air might be nice. Dunno what vintage bikes you already have that 
you don't care about keeping - so maybe it's a moot point anyways. 

KJ


On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 9:46:43 AM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>
> I had my first kid nearly a couple years ago, and the second is due 
> shortly. My biking priorities and types of rides changed drastically with 
> an infant. I think the Hunq would be great as a kid hauler/city-commuter.
> If you're going to do road rides, I'd suggest keeping the Hunq, sell 
> everything else, and maybe consider a more road-specific frame like the 
> Black Mountain Road. 
> If you had to only have one bike though, I do think a 650b Atlantis would 
> be the most versatile.
> All that said, Option #3 - keep all until shit hits the fan - is what I 
> typically do when it comes to need to sell bike-related stuff.
> David
> contemplating front & rear child seats on a Clem in River Grove, IL
>
> On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:55:17 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>>
>> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
>> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
>> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
>> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
>> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>>
>> Would you-
>>
>> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
>> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
>> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
>> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
>> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>>
>> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
>> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
>> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
>> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
>> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
>> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>>
>> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come 
>> up.
>>
>> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
>> problems in your life.
>>
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Surlyprof]

I'm with Justin on the two wheelset solution.  I have that with my 
Hillborne and it provides a lot more versatility.  Lighter weight 32 hole 
Synergies with Barlow Pass ELs for the road and 36 hole A719s with 45 Smart 
Sams for trails.  If I was in your situation, I'd probably keep the Hunq. 
 As much as I love a big descent on the Sam in road mode, a Hunq would 
provide better mixed terrain capabilities (although I have ridden big 
trails on the Hillborne, it's not ideal).  You may want to get a set of 
CX-50 brakes for quicker wheel change out and something like this (designed 
by one of my past 
students) 
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/409839826/offset-bicycle-wheel-storage 
 I can relate to the reduced space for bike storage.  It can become a tough 
issue requiring some creative solutions.

As for 650b, I agree with you.  I've tried the 650b Homer, Clem and Hunq at 
Riv and think it is the perfect size wheel for my size (5'10").  I've 
always thought 700 was unwieldy on trails but 26" were too small.  I think 
650b would be perfect without losing much on the road.  The problems with 
converting is it would require moving the canti posts and a repaint and it 
lowers your bottom bracket (pedal strike).  I talked to Will and Roman 
about this for the Hillborne.  At that point, buying new becomes more 
appealing but wipes out any gains from your sell off.  Maybe keep the Hunq, 
buy a second set of lighter wheels and get the 650b later?

Tough decisions but at least it's for a great reason.  Congratulations and 
good luck.

John


On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 6:55:17 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
> problems in your life.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Deacon Patrick]

How much would a set of the Snoqualmie Pass ELs mitigate the challenge of 
overcoming the acceleration inertia of a larger tire? Or convert the Hunqa 
to 650b and put the Switchback Hills on there? The frame isn't the issue, 
the wheel/tire size weight is the issue. Several ways to mitigate that and 
have the Hunq, which will give you many more long term options over your 
cycling need life.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 11:45:24 PM UTC-6, drew wrote:
>
> Hunq in the city is comfy and fun, but can be hard to keep up with friends 
> on roadier bikes. Big 29er tires and wheels can make stopping and starting 
> and climbing a bit of a boar. Minor complaints, I know. Keeping it is 
> definitely the thing that makes the most sense.  
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Patrick Moore]

Keith: how do you like the Colossal Ti? What sort of riding do you do with
it -- is it pavement only?

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Keith Muller  wrote:

> So I have 5 bikes at the moment.
>
> Hunqapillar w/ bullmoose bars
> Atlantis w/ albastache bars
> Appaloosa w/ albatross bars
> Salsa Vaya Travel w/ drop bars
> Salsa Colosal Ti w/ drop bars
>
> My Hunqapillar is by far my favorite bike I own/have owned!  Every time I
> get on it, it just feels so magical!  Taking my Hunqapillar for a ride
> erases a bad day!  I always say if I could only have one bike, it'd be my
> Hunqapillar.  I would say keep the Hunqapillar and Sam and sell the other
> ones if you have to.  Maybe us the Sam as a display in the baby's room.  2
> birds 1 stone.
>
> Selling bikes sucks!  Especially with the circumstances.
>
> Congrats on the baby coming.
>
> Keith
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[David Banzer]

I had my first kid nearly a couple years ago, and the second is due 
shortly. My biking priorities and types of rides changed drastically with 
an infant. I think the Hunq would be great as a kid hauler/city-commuter.
If you're going to do road rides, I'd suggest keeping the Hunq, sell 
everything else, and maybe consider a more road-specific frame like the 
Black Mountain Road. 
If you had to only have one bike though, I do think a 650b Atlantis would 
be the most versatile.
All that said, Option #3 - keep all until shit hits the fan - is what I 
typically do when it comes to need to sell bike-related stuff.
David
contemplating front & rear child seats on a Clem in River Grove, IL

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:55:17 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
> problems in your life.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[RichS]

Hi Drew. Best wishes on your planned for growing family. If possible, keep 
both the Sam and the Hunq and your bicycle needs will likely be met for 
years to come. In my experience, your riding may diminish a bit for awhile 
but YMMV depending on your family situation. I don't think the single bike 
option of having an Atlantis would give you anything a Sam or Hunq by 
itself would provide - especially since you're not doing the hoped for dirt 
riding.

Best of luck!
Richard

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 9:55:17 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
> problems in your life.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Les Lammers]

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 1:45:24 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> I don't think keeping both is in the cards, at least not for the long 
> haul. I could hold out, but eventually the Sam is gonna go.
>
> *Hunq in the city is comfy and fun, but can be hard to keep up with 
> friends on roadier bikes. Big 29er tires and wheels can make stopping and 
> starting and climbing a bit of a boar. Minor complaints, I know. Keeping it 
> is definitely the thing that makes the most sense.*  
>
> I'd like to think that a complete Sam, a hunq frame + extras, and 2 
> complete vintage bikes would more than cover a new Atlantis frame. Maybe 
> I'm being too optimistic, but that option doesn't seem like such a stretch 
> for my mind. 
>
> Chasing the dream bike does seem dubious. I do need reminding of that.
>
> Why not try something like the Continental Basketball tires on the Hunq? 
> I'm not sure a 650B Atlantis would help with keeping up with the guys 
> on road. If that's important wait and see what the Roadini looks like.
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Belopsky]

Everyone seems to have answered your questions, so the only one I have to 
add/answer is:

How roadie are your friends bikes and the rides? 

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Joe Bernard]

It sounds to me like you think the Hunqapillar is great, and would be even 
better as a slightly less stout 650b bike. That's the Atlantis. Sell everything 
and buy the one bike you want. 

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Justin, Oakland]

You could always build a nice city wheelset with a fat and fast tire on it. 
That way the hunq can stay. You're going to have the same speed issue on the 
Atlantis if you keep the same tire and wheel type. 650b wheels be tiresarent 
magically better due to the diameter, everything else being equal 


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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[drew]

I don't think keeping both is in the cards, at least not for the long haul. I 
could hold out, but eventually the Sam is gonna go.

Hunq in the city is comfy and fun, but can be hard to keep up with friends on 
roadier bikes. Big 29er tires and wheels can make stopping and starting and 
climbing a bit of a boar. Minor complaints, I know. Keeping it is definitely 
the thing that makes the most sense.  

I'd like to think that a complete Sam, a hunq frame + extras, and 2 complete 
vintage bikes would more than cover a new Atlantis frame. Maybe I'm being too 
optimistic, but that option doesn't seem like such a stretch for my mind. 

Chasing the dream bike does seem dubious. I do need reminding of that.

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Jonathan D.]

I would keep the Hung and the Sam since that will probably fit all your riding 
situations absent road racing. Which bike will you set up for the kid?  I 
currently have the Joe setup with a bike seat and it rides fantastic. I have a 
dropbar Romulus that I can take out without all the equipment. I also have two 
other bikes I don't know what to do with but that is another story. It is hard 
for me to want to ride anything but the Rivendells. 

As someone said, I think chasing the perfect bike is a rabit hole I would be 
hesitant to go down with the great options you have. Try both for 3 years. Of 
course that doesn't keep me from wanting the Sam that was just posted but a 2 
year old kid would not allow me another purchase already. Also doesn't hurt to 
watch for a deal on an Atlantis. 

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[dougP]

Drew:

Congratulations on your growing family.  In a couple of years you'll be 
making bike choices based on "kidability".  

To your question, I endorse option 1.  I can see the Hunq handling things 
like kid seats, trailers, trail-a-bikes, etc., better than Sam.  

Option 2 is a bit aspirational.  You mention having a few extra dollars 
being helpful.  Unless the vintage bikes are unusually valuable, selling 
all will likely fall short of funding a new 650B Atlantis, assuming a 
standard Riv build.  

Option 3 assumes you can sell bikes immediately should the need arise.  
This is of course possible but you'll likely get better pricing if not 
under serious time pressure.

Option 4:  When you have children you have less time for non-family riding, 
so one bike is realistic.  The versatility of the Hunq covers everything 
for a long time.

Best of luck.  These are good puzzles to work out.

dougP

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 6:55:17 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
> problems in your life.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Tony DeFilippo]

I'll second the congrats on your growing family!  I'm 11 months in with my 
daughter and it's been truly wonderful.  Biking related I'm using the 'need' 
for a dedicated front kid seat bike as justification for one of my (not n=1) 
bikes...

I've entertained many scenarios like your #2 and while I love musing about it 
the logistics of selling a large amount of used bikes and equipment at prices I 
could stomach never seemed to support a quick fleet change over like that.  I 
still like the idea, sounds like you've got some well founded curiosity about 
the 650B Atlantis.  Or maybe it's just that I to really like the idea of a 650B 
Atlantis...

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Keith Muller]

So I have 5 bikes at the moment.

Hunqapillar w/ bullmoose bars
Atlantis w/ albastache bars
Appaloosa w/ albatross bars
Salsa Vaya Travel w/ drop bars
Salsa Colosal Ti w/ drop bars

My Hunqapillar is by far my favorite bike I own/have owned!  Every time I get 
on it, it just feels so magical!  Taking my Hunqapillar for a ride erases a bad 
day!  I always say if I could only have one bike, it'd be my Hunqapillar.  I 
would say keep the Hunqapillar and Sam and sell the other ones if you have to.  
Maybe us the Sam as a display in the baby's room.  2 birds 1 stone.

Selling bikes sucks!  Especially with the circumstances.

Congrats on the baby coming.

Keith

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Christopher Murray]

Howdy,

I definitely would not buy another bike-- experience has taught me that this is 
rarely the solution. I'd keep the Sam and the Hunq and sell everything else. 
Two good bikes that will cover everything but road racing. If the time comes 
(financially or otherwise) to sell one of the two then so be it. If you sell 
them now how long will it be before you have the financial freedom to 
repurchase them? Kids are expensive and $2,500-$4000 bicycles probably won't be 
a top priority. 

Let us know what you decide.

Cheers,
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Deacon Patrick]

Congratulations on preparing to grow a family, Drew! Awesome! 

Option 1, though I do not fathom why the Hunqa is "not the best for city 
road riding." Cushy, smooth tires, fenders, favortie handlebar set up, all 
set! Add panniers and you've got the ability to run errands galore.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 7:55:17 PM UTC-6, drew wrote:
>
> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
> problems in your life.
>
>

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