[RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[Justin Schoop]

Congrats on the house. Buy a german shepherd for the garage.

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[RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[Garth]

2 + 2 = 4  

Is this principle limited locally, individually to me, you or anyone, or is 
this truth Universal, Infinite and belongs to everyone eternally and 
without bounds or restraint ? 

Can anyone steal it, buy it, sell it, hide it, hoard it, destroy it, make 
it more or less than the perfection it always is, has been and will be ?   
Can anyone change it it any way ?

  the answer is obvious. 

Principle is not an object of negotiation or commodity(thus invariable and 
vulnerable) , nor "in" anything . Everything identifiable is it's 
expression, yet the expression neither contains or limits it. The principle 
and it's expression of 2+2=4 cannot be limited or changed(thus vulnerable) 
it is immovable, permanent and Absolute. The principle and expression 
are One , a Whole "Unit" .  The Father and the Son.  One does not exist 
without the other. 

   Principle. Divine Intelligence. The Absolute. Such is Truth .  . . here 
is our "security" :) 

All expressions(forms of identification, bike, body, bird, tree, Earth 
etc.) are as secure as the Principle which they express.  "On Earth as it 
is in Heaven" 

I and My Father are One 





On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 11:31:58 PM UTC-4, Justin August wrote:
>
> Hey folks-
> Assuming everything goes according to plan I'm entering the wild world of 
> home ownership at the end of this month! Our bungalow in East Oakland has a 
> detached 1 car garage where he bikes will probably live. I'm wondering the 
> best way to secure them. The garage only has a car door, no man door. 
>
> Any suggestions would be welcomed. 
>
> Bikes:
> Saluki (mine)
> Betty Foy (wife's)
>
> -Justin
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[Steve Palincsar]

So in practical terms related to Justin's question, are you suggesting 
that the best way to secure bicycles in a garage is to /Leave it to Jesus/?


On 04/04/2016 08:59 AM, Garth wrote:


2 + 2 = 4

Is this principle limited locally, individually to me, you or anyone, 
or is this truth Universal, Infinite and belongs to everyone eternally 
and without bounds or restraint ?


Can anyone steal it, buy it, sell it, hide it, hoard it, destroy it, 
make it more or less than the perfection it always is, has been and 
will be ?   Can anyone change it it any way ?


  the answer is obvious.

Principle is not an object of negotiation or commodity(thus invariable 
and vulnerable) , nor "in" anything . Everything identifiable is it's 
expression, yet the expression neither contains or limits it. The 
principle and it's expression of 2+2=4 cannot be limited or 
changed(thus vulnerable) it is immovable, permanent and Absolute. 
The principle and expression are One , a Whole "Unit" .  The Father 
and the Son.  One does not exist without the other.


   Principle. Divine Intelligence. The Absolute. Such is Truth .  . . 
here is our "security" :)


All expressions(forms of identification, bike, body, bird, tree, Earth 
etc.) are as secure as the Principle which they express. "On Earth as 
it is in Heaven"


I and My Father are One





On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 11:31:58 PM UTC-4, Justin August wrote:

Hey folks-
Assuming everything goes according to plan I'm entering the wild
world of home ownership at the end of this month! Our bungalow in
East Oakland has a detached 1 car garage where he bikes will
probably live. I'm wondering the best way to secure them. The
garage only has a car door, no man door.

Any suggestions would be welcomed.

Bikes:
Saluki (mine)
Betty Foy (wife's)

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[Ryan Fleming]

One other thing to mention is

If your garage door opener is an automatic one, make sure it's in good 
working orderespecially that it closes and locks

http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/outdoor-projects/how-to/a6041/garage-door-opener-how-it-works/
  


On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 10:31:58 PM UTC-5, Justin August wrote:
>
> Hey folks-
> Assuming everything goes according to plan I'm entering the wild world of 
> home ownership at the end of this month! Our bungalow in East Oakland has a 
> detached 1 car garage where he bikes will probably live. I'm wondering the 
> best way to secure them. The garage only has a car door, no man door. 
>
> Any suggestions would be welcomed. 
>
> Bikes:
> Saluki (mine)
> Betty Foy (wife's)
>
> -Justin
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[Justin August]

I have yet to be on the receiving end of this type of post but at this point 
I'd like a moderator to step in and ask this person to refrain from these 
responses. It's obnoxious and does nothing to help me or anyone else in this 
thread. It's classic trolling. Garth please don't respond further in this 
thread. It's not helpful to me. 


I like the tie-down in the wall idea and love the dirty tarp plan. 
Our beagle lives in the house. ;)
I got an alarm system but haven't gotten sensors for the garage. That's a 
possibility. I'll have to reach out to the company. 

Thanks folks!

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c Tires - Smart Sams, Conti Speed Rides, Vee Rubber V12s, Panaracer Paselas, Resist Nomads

[David Banzer]

Remaining tire pairs:


   - Schwalbe Smart Sam Tires - PAIR - 29x2.1 - measure about 50mm actual 
   width - a size larger than Riv stocks - 
   http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/tsmart-10135.htm - used lightly, lots 
   of tread - wire bead - $30 plus shipping
   - Vee Rubber V12 Tires - PAIR - 29x1.95 - measure about 47mm on Dyads - 
   used a little, lots of tread - folding bead - $45 plus shipping
   - Panaracer Pasela Tires - PAIR - 700x32 - mounted on a few different 
   bikes as placeholders, but never really ridden more than a mile, black 
   walls - wire bead, non-TG/PT version -  $40 plus shipping
   - Panaracer Pasela Tires - PAIR - 700x32 - used a bunch, tread is worn a 
   bit, I actually prefer these worn in ones to new ones - wire bead, 
   non-TG/PT version - $30 plus shipping
   - Resist Nomad Tires - PAIR - 700x35 - measure a hair under 34mm actual 
   width on CR18s - used very lightly - maybe 100 miles total at most - tan 
   sidewalls - wire bead - $30 plus shipping
   - Resist Nomad Tires - PAIR - 700x45 - measure about 41mm on Dyads - 
   used lightly, planned to use these on BMC MC before I realized I can fit 
   much larger tires - tan sidewalls - wire bead - $35 plus shipping



On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 12:54:38 PM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Bump, all available. Feel free to make a reasonable offer.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 11:47:32 AM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> Call it spring cleaning, call it cleaning up previously listed but unsold 
>> tires.
>>
>> Prices DO NOT include shipping. Local pickup encouraged on wire beads, 
>> but certainly can ship them if need be (rolled in thirds).
>> Paypal Personal for payment please, or cover PP fees.
>> Contact me offlist if you can.
>> Thanks,
>> David
>> Chicago
>>
>>
>>- Continental Speed Ride - PAIR - 700 x 40, measured a hair over 38mm 
>>actual on Dyads - http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/t108.htm - used 
>>less than 100 miles - folding bead - $40 plus shipping
>>- Schwalbe Smart Sam Tires - PAIR - 29x2.1 - measure about 50mm 
>>actual width - a size larger than Riv stocks - 
>>http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/tsmart-10135.htm - used lightly, 
>>lots of tread - wire bead - $30 plus shipping
>>- Vee Rubber V12 Tires - PAIR - 29x1.95 - measure about 47mm on Dyads 
>>- used a little, lots of tread - folding bead - $45 plus shipping
>>- Panaracer Pasela Tires - PAIR - 700x32 - mounted on a few different 
>>bikes as placeholders, but never really ridden more than a mile, black 
>>walls - wire bead, non-TG/PT version -  $40 plus shipping
>>- Panaracer Pasela Tires - PAIR - 700x32 - used a bunch, tread is 
>>worn a bit, I actually prefer these worn in ones to new ones - wire bead, 
>>non-TG/PT version - $30 plus shipping
>>- Resist Nomad Tires - PAIR - 700x35 - measure a hair under 34mm 
>>actual width on CR18s - used very lightly - maybe 100 miles total at most 
>> - 
>>tan sidewalls - wire bead - $30 plus shipping
>>- Resist Nomad Tires - PAIR - 700x45 - measure about 41mm on Dyads - 
>>used lightly, planned to use these on BMC MC before I realized I can fit 
>>much larger tires - tan sidewalls - wire bead - $35 plus shipping
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[Lungimsam]

Cruel

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Wheelset

[Brian Campbell]

Rear Spacing?

On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 11:56:35 PM UTC-4, Zac Stanley wrote:
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> Pacenti SL 23//Shimano 105, 32 Hole, 3x w/ Sapim Laser spokes (2.0/1.8/2.0)
>
> Handbuilt by me,  a certifified DT swiss wheelbuilder.
>
> Less than 500 miles.
>
> Also include Col De La Vie 38c tires + a brand new Soma B-Line tire.
>
> $300 + shipping
>
> Pics here:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/garycaribou/26152159811/in/dateposted-public/
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> Thanks for looking.
>
> Zac in Novato, CA
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[RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[Lungimsam]

Dont get a dog for the garage. That would be animal cruelty.

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[RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[Garth]

My response Justin is nothing of the such. You asked and I gave you the 
truest and most clear answer I know of . You did not understand what I 
meant, alight, just say so. But to accuse me of intent to berate or deceive 
you and this forum is again nothing more than a like misunderstanding. 

You asked and I gave my honest answer. 

-Garth 


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[RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[Will]

I use a sturdy lag ring bolt in a stud. Then a good U-lock to secure the 
bike to the ring. Ring bolts are easily sourced at the local hardware 
store. Or go here for super duty anchoring:

http://mobilesecurity.abus.com/eng/bike/product_categories/display/bike-anchors

The beater tarp idea is also worth doing. 






On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 11:14:18 PM UTC-5, BSWP wrote:
>
> I have the same situation as you.
>
> Get a loud alarm for the detached garage, as well as the house. 
> Motion-triggered and door triggered.
> Secure your bikes, when inside the locked garage, to an eyebolt set into 
> the concrete floor, or some other immovable object. 
> Consider also throwing an old stained tarpaulin over them, to mask their 
> existence.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>

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[RBW] Ribbit brakes

[alford]

Howdy Folks! 

I have a set of the Ribbit brakes (Mafac/ Spooky copies) on my Quickbeam and 
one of the straddle cable barrels is stripped. Found a replacement kit online 
but the cost is about the same as one wheel worth of the Tektro CR720 cantis. 
Wondering if I should stick to what I have or switch to the Tektros?  Anyone 
have experience with both brakes?  

Thanks,

John

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Re: [RBW] IQ-X Headlight

[William Henderson]

It wasn't out yet, I was just locking in a very favorable currency exchange
rate
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Re: [RBW] IQ-X Headlight

[Anton Tutter]

I ordered mine a few weeks ago, got it in two weeks. I've ordered many 
times from bike24.de, they've always delivered in about two weeks. Never 
had a problem.

Anton


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> So has anyone received their lights from bike-discount yet? Website says 
> they are in stock, I'm just waiting to pull the trigger

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Re: [RBW] IQ-X Headlight

[William Henderson]

Got mine from bike24 a couple weeks ago. Ordered in October =)
On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:08 PM Anton Tutter  wrote:

> I ordered mine a few weeks ago, got it in two weeks. I've ordered many
> times from bike24.de, they've always delivered in about two weeks. Never
> had a problem.
>
> Anton
>
>
> On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 8:21:09 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
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>> So has anyone received their lights from bike-discount yet? Website says
>> they are in stock, I'm just waiting to pull the trigger
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Re: [RBW] IQ-X Headlight

[drew]

So has anyone received their lights from bike-discount yet? Website says they 
are in stock, I'm just waiting to pull the trigger

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Re: [RBW] IQ-X Headlight

['Jack' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I ordered one from Bike24 in Germany on March 8 and received it about 10 
days later. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Joe Appaloosa Cockpit

[BSWP]

Huh... and I thought the typo was the "ribber" grips. But even at $140, 
that's a heckuva deal. My wife's X0-5 might be a candidate... hmmm...

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 4:44:45 PM UTC-7, Rich Lesnik wrote:
>
> It has been pointed out to me that there is a typo in the price I listed 
> for the Appaloosa cockpit (no wonder I got so many responses! and so fast!) 
> The deal is $140, not $40.
>
> Sorry. Anyone who's responded, I'm "desolee" and ask your forgiveness!
>
> Rich
>
> On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 2:00:04 PM UTC-7, Rich Lesnik wrote:
>>
>> Includes "Bullmoose Choco" bar, ribber grips, mtb brake levers, sunrace 
>> thumb shifters. Asking $40 or best offer. Local Bay Area preferred 
>> (shipping could get tricky). Contact me offline at: 
>> rle...@handsonwheels.com 
>>
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[RBW] WTT: 64cm Quickbeam for 62cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy

[Mattt]

I forgot to note.  I am only trading frame, fork, headset.

Matt

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Re: [RBW] IQ-X Headlight

[Lungimsam]

It took 5 months?!?!

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[RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[Kurt Manley]

Congrats on the new house. As a fellow Oaklander who knows the area you are 
at high risk. I have been thinking about trying to buy a house in the same 
area and have given it some thought. 

I would not depend on anything bolted to the studs or any wood for that 
matter. I'd go into the concrete floor. You can rent a rotary hammer drill 
and do this quite easily. Then use some expanding studs to mount some 
anchors. Smash the tops of the threaded rods and use a glob of jb weld when 
you're done to prevent them from being unbolted. This is how they mount all 
of the U shaped bike lock poles around the city. Then I'd u lock right to 
that. 

You could use these to anchor a recessed or folding eyelet.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Red-Head-3-8-in-x-3-3-4-in-Zinc-Plated-Steel-Hex-Nut-Head-Concrete-Wedge-Anchors-50-Pack-11270/100182728


None of this is to say I don't think the other ideas are good, they'd be 
more than fine most places but it's east Oakland...You need a little 
extra here.




On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 8:31:58 PM UTC-7, Justin August wrote:
>
> Hey folks-
> Assuming everything goes according to plan I'm entering the wild world of 
> home ownership at the end of this month! Our bungalow in East Oakland has a 
> detached 1 car garage where he bikes will probably live. I'm wondering the 
> best way to secure them. The garage only has a car door, no man door. 
>
> Any suggestions would be welcomed. 
>
> Bikes:
> Saluki (mine)
> Betty Foy (wife's)
>
> -Justin
>
>

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[RBW] Bridgestone MB-2

[A CT Cyclist]

I thought I'd post a couple pics of my re-purposed 92 Bridgestone MB-2 in 
case there were any fans of old mountain bikes on this forum. The build is 
prettly Rivish, bags, racks, baskets, fat tires, comfy riding position, 
etc. More info on my blog if you want to geek out 
http://actcyclist.blogspot.com/2016/04/bridgestone-mb-2.html





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[RBW] Re: Is it crazy to do a century with Boscos?

[Lungimsam]

So...how did it go with the Boscos?

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[RBW] WTT: 64cm Quickbeam for 62cm Yves Gomez or Betty Foy

[Mattt]

Bunch,

Like the subject states, looking to trade my Quickbeam for your Yvez Gomez 
or Betty Foy or a Wilbury (hey you never know).


I bought the Quickbeam about two years off the list.  It has beausage that 
it came with.  I did the best I could to reflect it the pictures (link 
below).

http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/matttonay/library/Quickbeam


I just got frame straightened to perfect and the kickstand plate welded. 
 The frame was off about 3-4mm and the kickstand place had a tear.  

Maybe open to other trades.  I never know what is out there.

Let me know if you have any other questions.  

Contact me off list.


Matt

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[Surlyprof]

I agree with Shoji.  Your homeowner's should cover it but you may want to 
make sure that they cover replacement value, not current value.  My bike 
was stolen once and I received a check for under $100.  After that hard 
lesson, I changed my renter's insurance to replacement value.  When another 
bike was stolen years later, the replacement value actually bought me a 
nicer bike (even after the $250 deductible).  Now, my shop, studio, library 
and bikes are in the garage/man cave.  After getting settled, we had a rep 
from the insurance company come out to do an assessment.  She explained 
what was covered, what documentation we needed and even gave us a couple of 
tips to reduce our premiums.  We have removed the auto garage opener and 
can only open it manually from the inside now.  Still susceptible but rest 
easier knowing that we're well documented and covered in case of fire or 
theft.

If the dog has access to the yard at night, that is great security.  I've 
read that if a burgler hears a dog they don't try to determine if it 
sounded nice, they move on to another house.  Our dogs are nice enough but 
they don't sound like that when they hear someone outside!

Congrats on your new bay area homestead.  Best decision we ever made!
John

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 9:10:27 AM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Hi Justin,
> Be careful about storing tools in the garage. I've heard of cases where 
> tools in the garage were used by burglars to remove locks, etc.
>
> If you haven't already, record your bikes' serial numbers, take some pics, 
> and check your insurance policy on what is/is not covered. 
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 11:40:12 AM UTC-4, Kainalu wrote:
>>
>> It's easy to make a fake all-weather camera bubble, and not that much 
>> harder to have a real one. 
>> And signs that state that there is an alarm system are an excellent first 
>> line of defense against bike thieves who can read.
>> -Kai
>> giving it my darndest to avoid openly sharing with the divine or 
>> terrestrial, in Brooklyn NY
>>
>> Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>> So in practical terms related to Justin's question, are you suggesting 
>>> that the best way to secure bicycles in a garage is to *Leave it to 
>>> Jesus*?
>>>
>>> On 04/04/2016 08:59 AM, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 2 + 2 = 4  
>>>
>>> Is this principle limited locally, individually to me, you or anyone, or 
>>> is this truth Universal, Infinite and belongs to everyone eternally and 
>>> without bounds or restraint ? 
>>>
>>> Can anyone steal it, buy it, sell it, hide it, hoard it, destroy it, 
>>> make it more or less than the perfection it always is, has been and will be 
>>> ?   Can anyone change it it any way ?
>>>
>>>   the answer is obvious. 
>>>
>>> Principle is not an object of negotiation or commodity(thus invariable 
>>> and vulnerable) , nor "in" anything . Everything identifiable is it's 
>>> expression, yet the expression neither contains or limits it. The principle 
>>> and it's expression of 2+2=4 cannot be limited or changed(thus vulnerable) 
>>> it is immovable, permanent and Absolute. The principle and expression 
>>> are One , a Whole "Unit" .  The Father and the Son.  One does not exist 
>>> without the other. 
>>>
>>>Principle. Divine Intelligence. The Absolute. Such is Truth .  . . 
>>> here is our "security" :) 
>>>
>>> All expressions(forms of identification, bike, body, bird, tree, Earth 
>>> etc.) are as secure as the Principle which they express.  "On Earth as it 
>>> is in Heaven" 
>>>
>>> I and My Father are One 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 11:31:58 PM UTC-4, Justin August wrote: 

 Hey folks-
 Assuming everything goes according to plan I'm entering the wild world 
 of home ownership at the end of this month! Our bungalow in East Oakland 
 has a detached 1 car garage where he bikes will probably live. I'm 
 wondering the best way to secure them. The garage only has a car door, no 
 man door. 

 Any suggestions would be welcomed. 

 Bikes:
 Saluki (mine)
 Betty Foy (wife's)

 -Justin

>>> -
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Centerpulls vs. cantis

[Ron Mc]

I like them both, but my Paul touring cantis are by far the best brakes 
I've ever squeezed.  They're better than my short reach Campy sidepulls, 
and that's saying something.  

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 11:27:35 AM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> 1.Which are better for use with fork braze ons and why? For recreational 
> road riding.
>
> 2. Is either just fine? I'm guessing it is but the more online stuff I 
> read, the more overthinking results.
>
> Funny how before I started online bike reading everything about my bikes 
> was just fine.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Centerpulls vs. cantis

[Garth]

*Funny how before I started online bike reading everything about my bikes 
was just fine*
You already know :) 


On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 12:27:35 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> 1.Which are better for use with fork braze ons and why? For recreational 
> road riding.
>
> 2. Is either just fine? I'm guessing it is but the more online stuff I 
> read, the more overthinking results.
>
> Funny how before I started online bike reading everything about my bikes 
> was just fine.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Centerpulls vs. cantis

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/04/2016 12:27 PM, Lungimsam wrote:

1.Which are better for use with fork braze ons and why? For recreational road 
riding.

2. Is either just fine? I'm guessing it is but the more online stuff I read, 
the more overthinking results.

Funny how before I started online bike reading everything about my bikes was 
just fine.



And in fact in many ways the correct answer is they are both just fine.  
But, in some cases, you could make an argument that one or the other is 
superior.  For example:


- Cantilever bosses are all pretty much the same and in pretty much the 
same place, so you could switch brands of brakes if you wanted to, 
whereas with centerpulls the brazed-on bosses are different from one 
brand to another and their position is different, so you're committed 
for live to a particular brake.  Some would see that as an advantage to 
cantis.  The standard pivot location also means there's a wider 
availability of off-the-shelf front racks, which maybe can save money.


- Some people find cantilever brakes to be difficult to impossible to 
adjust correctly.  Now the fact is, "impossible" is an outright lie: 
there are some skilled bike mechanics (Cycles Ed, who you might have 
seen at the Peanut Tour or at Bike Virginia is fantastic) who can adjust 
them just fine, but there are many local bike shop mechanics who simply 
can't deal with them.  By contrast, centerpulls are very easy to adjust.


- Centerpull braze on bosses are located higher up on the fork blades 
and seat stays, where the tubes are stiffer and more resistant to 
bending forces than cantilevers.  This means that in those 
edge-and-close-to-it cases where fork blade twist under hard braking 
induces brake shudder centerpulls win.  It also means you can use less 
stiff fork blades and seat stays with brazed on centerpulls, which 
(provided they're sufficient) is also a win. Some have argued that this 
also means centerpulls will always work better under very hard braking.


- Cantilever brakes can open wider, allowing a wider tire to pass 
through than centerpulls.  In some cases, that can be an advantage.


- Centerpulls can suffer from cosine error - where a worn pad swings up 
past the rim brake track and contacts the tire.  It doesn't take a 
second for the brake pad to eat through the sidewall and cause a 
blowout.  Cantilever brakes can do the opposite, and swing down past the 
bottom edge of the rim and fall into the spokes.  At best this results 
in no braking at all; at worst it can destroy the wheel. Hard call to 
determine which is more frequent and which failure mode is worse.


- There may be cost differences.  The nicest currently available new 
centerpull brakes (i.e., the Paul Racer and the Compass) are not cheap.  
For some that may matter a great deal, although if we're talking about 
custom frames that cost difference probably won't amount to much of the 
total cost of the bike.





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[RBW] Re: Centerpulls vs. cantis

[Philip Kim]

i think each have their uses, since you're comparing both on braze-ons, i 
don't think there's a huge difference in braking power, especially for 
recreational road riding. centerpulls are a bit easier to set up imo, but 
cantis are more convenient if you're using wide road tires (switching 
wheels in and out of the bike frame without deflating tires due to 
clearance at brake arms). i used to ride centerpulls, but have since 
switched to cantis, mainly because of new bike to go off-road more.

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 12:27:35 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> 1.Which are better for use with fork braze ons and why? For recreational 
> road riding.
>
> 2. Is either just fine? I'm guessing it is but the more online stuff I 
> read, the more overthinking results.
>
> Funny how before I started online bike reading everything about my bikes 
> was just fine.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Centerpulls vs. cantis

[Lungimsam]

My main reason for wanting cantis is so that nothing but air is between the 
tire and fork crown for easy fenderability and rackability.

But I am interested in hearing about mechanical pros or cons.

I know BQ states that cantis cause the fork blades to twist. Dont know if that 
is really a problem or not. Im guessing not since cantis have been used for 
decades.

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[RBW] Re: New Panaracer-made 700c x 50 tire?

[John Phillips]

Panaracer Gravel Kings in 700c x 52mm?!? 

Those would get my Hunqapillar drooling! 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Wheelset

[dstein]

Just PM'd you, I'll take them if they're still available.

On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 8:56:35 PM UTC-7, Zac Stanley wrote:
>
> Pacenti SL 23//Shimano 105, 32 Hole, 3x w/ Sapim Laser spokes (2.0/1.8/2.0)
>
> Handbuilt by me,  a certifified DT swiss wheelbuilder.
>
> Less than 500 miles.
>
> Also include Col De La Vie 38c tires + a brand new Soma B-Line tire.
>
> $300 + shipping
>
> Pics here:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/garycaribou/26152159811/in/dateposted-public/
>
> Thanks for looking.
>
> Zac in Novato, CA
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[RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[JohnS]

Along the lines of a tarp, I would recommend replacing any glass windows 
with frosted plexie glass. That's what I had done at our previous house in 
the city where the garage was right on the alley.

JohnS


On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 11:31:58 PM UTC-4, Justin August wrote:

> Hey folks-
> Assuming everything goes according to plan I'm entering the wild world of 
> home ownership at the end of this month! Our bungalow in East Oakland has a 
> detached 1 car garage where he bikes will probably live. I'm wondering the 
> best way to secure them. The garage only has a car door, no man door. 
>
> Any suggestions would be welcomed. 
>
> Bikes:
> Saluki (mine)
> Betty Foy (wife's)
>
> -Justin
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ribbit brakes

[JohnS]

Hello John,

Sorry, no experience with Ribbit brakes, but I do like the Tektro CR720 
cantis. I've had them on my Salsa Casseroll for almost two years now. They 
work fine, easy to set up, reasonable price and have a good classic long 
arm design. Remind me of old school Mafac cantis. I have Shimano Cx70 
cantis on my QB, they came with the bike and work just as well, not quite 
the same style as the Tektro's. I would recommend both.

JohnS


On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 10:30:46 AM UTC-4, alford wrote:

> Howdy Folks! 
>
> I have a set of the Ribbit brakes (Mafac/ Spooky copies) on my Quickbeam 
> and one of the straddle cable barrels is stripped. Found a replacement kit 
> online but the cost is about the same as one wheel worth of the Tektro 
> CR720 cantis. Wondering if I should stick to what I have or switch to the 
> Tektros?  Anyone have experience with both brakes?  
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Centerpulls vs. cantis

[Lee Legrand]

I think it is a matter of what you are doing.  If you are just riding in
terms of recreational, any kind of braking system (drum, disk, cantilever,
etc) will work but in terms of expense, using typical cantilever, or
caliper brake system is enough.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> 1.Which are better for use with fork braze ons and why? For recreational
> road riding.
>
> 2. Is either just fine? I'm guessing it is but the more online stuff I
> read, the more overthinking results.
>
> Funny how before I started online bike reading everything about my bikes
> was just fine.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Centerpulls vs. cantis

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/04/2016 12:59 PM, Lungimsam wrote:

My main reason for wanting cantis is so that nothing but air is between the 
tire and fork crown for easy fenderability and rackability.


You can have easy fenderability and rackability with brazed on 
centerpulls as well.




But I am interested in hearing about mechanical pros or cons.

I know BQ states that cantis cause the fork blades to twist. Dont know if that 
is really a problem or not. Im guessing not since cantis have been used for 
decades.



As have centerpulls.   Brake shudder has proven to be a major problem 
with cantilever-equipped cyclocross bikes and you don't have to hunt 
very far to find knowledgeable industry types going on at length about 
how it is impossible to adjust cantilever brakes. There's no denying, 
properly setting up cantilever brakes (particularly smooth-post brake 
pad styles) does involve some serious black art, much more so than 
centerpulls.


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Re: [RBW] Centerpulls vs. cantis

[Shoji Takahashi]

Thanks for this detailed and clear response, Steve.

shoji



On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 12:58:34 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 04/04/2016 12:27 PM, Lungimsam wrote: 
> > 1.Which are better for use with fork braze ons and why? For recreational 
> road riding. 
> > 
> > 2. Is either just fine? I'm guessing it is but the more online stuff I 
> read, the more overthinking results. 
> > 
> > Funny how before I started online bike reading everything about my bikes 
> was just fine. 
> > 
>
> And in fact in many ways the correct answer is they are both just fine.   
> But, in some cases, you could make an argument that one or the other is 
> superior.  For example: 
>
> - Cantilever bosses are all pretty much the same and in pretty much the 
> same place, so you could switch brands of brakes if you wanted to, 
> whereas with centerpulls the brazed-on bosses are different from one 
> brand to another and their position is different, so you're committed 
> for live to a particular brake.  Some would see that as an advantage to 
> cantis.  The standard pivot location also means there's a wider 
> availability of off-the-shelf front racks, which maybe can save money. 
>
> - Some people find cantilever brakes to be difficult to impossible to 
> adjust correctly.  Now the fact is, "impossible" is an outright lie: 
> there are some skilled bike mechanics (Cycles Ed, who you might have 
> seen at the Peanut Tour or at Bike Virginia is fantastic) who can adjust 
> them just fine, but there are many local bike shop mechanics who simply 
> can't deal with them.  By contrast, centerpulls are very easy to adjust. 
>
> - Centerpull braze on bosses are located higher up on the fork blades 
> and seat stays, where the tubes are stiffer and more resistant to 
> bending forces than cantilevers.  This means that in those 
> edge-and-close-to-it cases where fork blade twist under hard braking 
> induces brake shudder centerpulls win.  It also means you can use less 
> stiff fork blades and seat stays with brazed on centerpulls, which 
> (provided they're sufficient) is also a win. Some have argued that this 
> also means centerpulls will always work better under very hard braking. 
>
> - Cantilever brakes can open wider, allowing a wider tire to pass 
> through than centerpulls.  In some cases, that can be an advantage. 
>
> - Centerpulls can suffer from cosine error - where a worn pad swings up 
> past the rim brake track and contacts the tire.  It doesn't take a 
> second for the brake pad to eat through the sidewall and cause a 
> blowout.  Cantilever brakes can do the opposite, and swing down past the 
> bottom edge of the rim and fall into the spokes.  At best this results 
> in no braking at all; at worst it can destroy the wheel. Hard call to 
> determine which is more frequent and which failure mode is worse. 
>
> - There may be cost differences.  The nicest currently available new 
> centerpull brakes (i.e., the Paul Racer and the Compass) are not cheap.   
> For some that may matter a great deal, although if we're talking about 
> custom frames that cost difference probably won't amount to much of the 
> total cost of the bike. 
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[Garth]

  It's impossible for Intelligence to be stupid Steve ;) 


On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 9:09:40 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> So in practical terms related to Justin's question, are you suggesting 
> that the best way to secure bicycles in a garage is to *Leave it to Jesus*
> ?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ribbit brakes

[Matt B.]

I have CR720s on my quickbeam and they are great, provided you use good 
pads with them (if i remember correctly the pads they ship with aren't that 
awesome).


On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 10:30:46 AM UTC-4, alford wrote:
>
> Howdy Folks! 
>
> I have a set of the Ribbit brakes (Mafac/ Spooky copies) on my Quickbeam 
> and one of the straddle cable barrels is stripped. Found a replacement kit 
> online but the cost is about the same as one wheel worth of the Tektro 
> CR720 cantis. Wondering if I should stick to what I have or switch to the 
> Tektros?  Anyone have experience with both brakes?  
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Wheelset

[Justin Schoop]

I asked last night. It's 130mm

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Wheelset

[Justin Schoop]

I asked last night. It's 130mm

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Justin,
Be careful about storing tools in the garage. I've heard of cases where 
tools in the garage were used by burglars to remove locks, etc.

If you haven't already, record your bikes' serial numbers, take some pics, 
and check your insurance policy on what is/is not covered. 

Good luck!
shoji



On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 11:40:12 AM UTC-4, Kainalu wrote:
>
> It's easy to make a fake all-weather camera bubble, and not that much 
> harder to have a real one. 
> And signs that state that there is an alarm system are an excellent first 
> line of defense against bike thieves who can read.
> -Kai
> giving it my darndest to avoid openly sharing with the divine or 
> terrestrial, in Brooklyn NY
>
> Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> So in practical terms related to Justin's question, are you suggesting 
>> that the best way to secure bicycles in a garage is to *Leave it to 
>> Jesus*?
>>
>> On 04/04/2016 08:59 AM, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>> 2 + 2 = 4  
>>
>> Is this principle limited locally, individually to me, you or anyone, or 
>> is this truth Universal, Infinite and belongs to everyone eternally and 
>> without bounds or restraint ? 
>>
>> Can anyone steal it, buy it, sell it, hide it, hoard it, destroy it, make 
>> it more or less than the perfection it always is, has been and will be ?   
>> Can anyone change it it any way ?
>>
>>   the answer is obvious. 
>>
>> Principle is not an object of negotiation or commodity(thus invariable 
>> and vulnerable) , nor "in" anything . Everything identifiable is it's 
>> expression, yet the expression neither contains or limits it. The principle 
>> and it's expression of 2+2=4 cannot be limited or changed(thus vulnerable) 
>> it is immovable, permanent and Absolute. The principle and expression 
>> are One , a Whole "Unit" .  The Father and the Son.  One does not exist 
>> without the other. 
>>
>>Principle. Divine Intelligence. The Absolute. Such is Truth .  . . 
>> here is our "security" :) 
>>
>> All expressions(forms of identification, bike, body, bird, tree, Earth 
>> etc.) are as secure as the Principle which they express.  "On Earth as it 
>> is in Heaven" 
>>
>> I and My Father are One 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 11:31:58 PM UTC-4, Justin August wrote: 
>>>
>>> Hey folks-
>>> Assuming everything goes according to plan I'm entering the wild world 
>>> of home ownership at the end of this month! Our bungalow in East Oakland 
>>> has a detached 1 car garage where he bikes will probably live. I'm 
>>> wondering the best way to secure them. The garage only has a car door, no 
>>> man door. 
>>>
>>> Any suggestions would be welcomed. 
>>>
>>> Bikes:
>>> Saluki (mine)
>>> Betty Foy (wife's)
>>>
>>> -Justin
>>>
>> -
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Centerpulls vs. cantis

[Lungimsam]

1.Which are better for use with fork braze ons and why? For recreational road 
riding.

2. Is either just fine? I'm guessing it is but the more online stuff I read, 
the more overthinking results.

Funny how before I started online bike reading everything about my bikes was 
just fine.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[Kainalu]

It's easy to make a fake all-weather camera bubble, and not that much 
harder to have a real one. 
And signs that state that there is an alarm system are an excellent first 
line of defense against bike thieves who can read.
-Kai
giving it my darndest to avoid openly sharing with the divine or 
terrestrial, in Brooklyn NY

Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> So in practical terms related to Justin's question, are you suggesting 
> that the best way to secure bicycles in a garage is to *Leave it to Jesus*
> ?
>
> On 04/04/2016 08:59 AM, Garth wrote:
>
>
> 2 + 2 = 4  
>
> Is this principle limited locally, individually to me, you or anyone, or 
> is this truth Universal, Infinite and belongs to everyone eternally and 
> without bounds or restraint ? 
>
> Can anyone steal it, buy it, sell it, hide it, hoard it, destroy it, make 
> it more or less than the perfection it always is, has been and will be ?   
> Can anyone change it it any way ?
>
>   the answer is obvious. 
>
> Principle is not an object of negotiation or commodity(thus invariable and 
> vulnerable) , nor "in" anything . Everything identifiable is it's 
> expression, yet the expression neither contains or limits it. The principle 
> and it's expression of 2+2=4 cannot be limited or changed(thus vulnerable) 
> it is immovable, permanent and Absolute. The principle and expression 
> are One , a Whole "Unit" .  The Father and the Son.  One does not exist 
> without the other. 
>
>Principle. Divine Intelligence. The Absolute. Such is Truth .  . . here 
> is our "security" :) 
>
> All expressions(forms of identification, bike, body, bird, tree, Earth 
> etc.) are as secure as the Principle which they express.  "On Earth as it 
> is in Heaven" 
>
> I and My Father are One 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 11:31:58 PM UTC-4, Justin August wrote: 
>>
>> Hey folks-
>> Assuming everything goes according to plan I'm entering the wild world of 
>> home ownership at the end of this month! Our bungalow in East Oakland has a 
>> detached 1 car garage where he bikes will probably live. I'm wondering the 
>> best way to secure them. The garage only has a car door, no man door. 
>>
>> Any suggestions would be welcomed. 
>>
>> Bikes:
>> Saluki (mine)
>> Betty Foy (wife's)
>>
>> -Justin
>>
> -
>
>
>

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[RBW] WTT: Well-used Brooks B17 Honey for B17 Black

[kielsun]

Hi Folks:

New user here. Hoping I did this right.

Looking to trade my used Brooks B17 honey saddle for the same in black. Not 
interested in selling for now. 

I used it for a few years on my commuter, and it's in decent shape with 
scrapes and the like. Still plenty of life left in it. 

Please respond off list if you'd like to see pictures.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[Deacon Patrick]

Congratulations! And condolences! Grin. I'm far from the guy to ask. Our 
garage is broken into most years and the thieves take whatever they want. 
Bloody bears. None, fortunately, have been circus bound for they all left 
the bikes alone. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 9:31:58 PM UTC-6, Justin August wrote:
>
> Hey folks-
> Assuming everything goes according to plan I'm entering the wild world of 
> home ownership at the end of this month! Our bungalow in East Oakland has a 
> detached 1 car garage where he bikes will probably live. I'm wondering the 
> best way to secure them. The garage only has a car door, no man door. 
>
> Any suggestions would be welcomed. 
>
> Bikes:
> Saluki (mine)
> Betty Foy (wife's)
>
> -Justin
>
>

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[RBW] V Brakes and Full fender set

[Ezequiel Orduno]

Who is running a 700cx40mm fenderset with TRP CX9 V brakes?? They are 90mm 
arm length, i wanted to know if it would be possible to run them on my bike.

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[RBW] Ribbit brakes

[Philip Williamson]

I have one wheel's worth of Tektros you can have cheaply. Twelve dollars 
shipped? They were installed briefly on the Quickbeam, but my heel hit them, so 
I put the original back brake back on.
I'd even trade for the Ribbit set, since I have a disassembled set of Spookys 
(bag of pieces), and it would be worthwhile to see how they should go together.

Philip
www.biketinker.com (spring churning)

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[RBW] Re: New Panaracer-made 700c x 50 tire?

[Deacon Patrick]

No kidding! A drooling Hunqapillar makes a camel look like it needs a 
prescription for Dry Mouth. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 11:28:11 AM UTC-6, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Panaracer Gravel Kings in 700c x 52mm?!? 
>
> Those would get my Hunqapillar drooling! 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[Mark Reimer]

Congratulations on the new home! I'm hoping to get my membership card to 
this illusive club in the not too distant future myself. As such, bike 
storage and security has been on my mind as well. 

I know too many friends who've had their bikes ripped off from their 
garages. Not having a man-door is a great start. Do you have any windows? 
I'd bar them for sure, though that's probably obvious. The next thing is 
securing the car door. I'm guessing if you don't have a man door, you 
probably can't lock the car door to the ground from the inside hey... Hmm. 
Interesting challenge. 

I live in an apartment and for a while kept all my cheaper bikes in my 
storage locker (coupla surly bikes). I bought the heaviest gauge chain I 
could find locally and ran it through the frames and wheels of the bikes. 
It was tedious work as the chain was so heavy and awkward to remove, but 
when the locker was inevitably broken into, the bikes were all there...

The first suggestion of locking to the wall sounds good, but I wonder if 
the bike frame could be used as a lever to pull it out of the studs? The 
reason I liked locking the bikes to each other is that it creates one huge 
super awkward jumble of bikes. Totally impossible to move unless you cut 
the chain. And this chain took two *large* men standing on a cutting 
machine to break at the hardware store. My 2 cents!

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 11:10:27 AM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Hi Justin,
> Be careful about storing tools in the garage. I've heard of cases where 
> tools in the garage were used by burglars to remove locks, etc.
>
> If you haven't already, record your bikes' serial numbers, take some pics, 
> and check your insurance policy on what is/is not covered. 
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 11:40:12 AM UTC-4, Kainalu wrote:
>>
>> It's easy to make a fake all-weather camera bubble, and not that much 
>> harder to have a real one. 
>> And signs that state that there is an alarm system are an excellent first 
>> line of defense against bike thieves who can read.
>> -Kai
>> giving it my darndest to avoid openly sharing with the divine or 
>> terrestrial, in Brooklyn NY
>>
>> Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>> So in practical terms related to Justin's question, are you suggesting 
>>> that the best way to secure bicycles in a garage is to *Leave it to 
>>> Jesus*?
>>>
>>> On 04/04/2016 08:59 AM, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 2 + 2 = 4  
>>>
>>> Is this principle limited locally, individually to me, you or anyone, or 
>>> is this truth Universal, Infinite and belongs to everyone eternally and 
>>> without bounds or restraint ? 
>>>
>>> Can anyone steal it, buy it, sell it, hide it, hoard it, destroy it, 
>>> make it more or less than the perfection it always is, has been and will be 
>>> ?   Can anyone change it it any way ?
>>>
>>>   the answer is obvious. 
>>>
>>> Principle is not an object of negotiation or commodity(thus invariable 
>>> and vulnerable) , nor "in" anything . Everything identifiable is it's 
>>> expression, yet the expression neither contains or limits it. The principle 
>>> and it's expression of 2+2=4 cannot be limited or changed(thus vulnerable) 
>>> it is immovable, permanent and Absolute. The principle and expression 
>>> are One , a Whole "Unit" .  The Father and the Son.  One does not exist 
>>> without the other. 
>>>
>>>Principle. Divine Intelligence. The Absolute. Such is Truth .  . . 
>>> here is our "security" :) 
>>>
>>> All expressions(forms of identification, bike, body, bird, tree, Earth 
>>> etc.) are as secure as the Principle which they express.  "On Earth as it 
>>> is in Heaven" 
>>>
>>> I and My Father are One 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 11:31:58 PM UTC-4, Justin August wrote: 

 Hey folks-
 Assuming everything goes according to plan I'm entering the wild world 
 of home ownership at the end of this month! Our bungalow in East Oakland 
 has a detached 1 car garage where he bikes will probably live. I'm 
 wondering the best way to secure them. The garage only has a car door, no 
 man door. 

 Any suggestions would be welcomed. 

 Bikes:
 Saluki (mine)
 Betty Foy (wife's)

 -Justin

>>> -
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[dstein]

If what I'm hearing from Mark is correct then I wholeheartedly agree: buy 
more bikes and lock them all together to make it hard to remove the bike! I 
think that is the n+5 rule. 

Congrats on the homeownership! I hope to be there too one day, my bike 
storage solution now is creative, to say the least, for a 900 sq ft house 
with no garage. If I ever make it back to a place with a garage I was 
thinking of going the anchor bolt and chain route. 

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 11:10:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Congratulations on the new home! I'm hoping to get my membership card to 
> this illusive club in the not too distant future myself. As such, bike 
> storage and security has been on my mind as well. 
>
> I know too many friends who've had their bikes ripped off from their 
> garages. Not having a man-door is a great start. Do you have any windows? 
> I'd bar them for sure, though that's probably obvious. The next thing is 
> securing the car door. I'm guessing if you don't have a man door, you 
> probably can't lock the car door to the ground from the inside hey... Hmm. 
> Interesting challenge. 
>
> I live in an apartment and for a while kept all my cheaper bikes in my 
> storage locker (coupla surly bikes). I bought the heaviest gauge chain I 
> could find locally and ran it through the frames and wheels of the bikes. 
> It was tedious work as the chain was so heavy and awkward to remove, but 
> when the locker was inevitably broken into, the bikes were all there...
>
> The first suggestion of locking to the wall sounds good, but I wonder if 
> the bike frame could be used as a lever to pull it out of the studs? The 
> reason I liked locking the bikes to each other is that it creates one huge 
> super awkward jumble of bikes. Totally impossible to move unless you cut 
> the chain. And this chain took two *large* men standing on a cutting 
> machine to break at the hardware store. My 2 cents!
>
> On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 11:10:27 AM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>> Hi Justin,
>> Be careful about storing tools in the garage. I've heard of cases where 
>> tools in the garage were used by burglars to remove locks, etc.
>>
>> If you haven't already, record your bikes' serial numbers, take some 
>> pics, and check your insurance policy on what is/is not covered. 
>>
>> Good luck!
>> shoji
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 11:40:12 AM UTC-4, Kainalu wrote:
>>>
>>> It's easy to make a fake all-weather camera bubble, and not that much 
>>> harder to have a real one. 
>>> And signs that state that there is an alarm system are an excellent 
>>> first line of defense against bike thieves who can read.
>>> -Kai
>>> giving it my darndest to avoid openly sharing with the divine or 
>>> terrestrial, in Brooklyn NY
>>>
>>> Steve Palincsar wrote:

 So in practical terms related to Justin's question, are you suggesting 
 that the best way to secure bicycles in a garage is to *Leave it to 
 Jesus*?

 On 04/04/2016 08:59 AM, Garth wrote:


 2 + 2 = 4  

 Is this principle limited locally, individually to me, you or anyone, 
 or is this truth Universal, Infinite and belongs to everyone eternally and 
 without bounds or restraint ? 

 Can anyone steal it, buy it, sell it, hide it, hoard it, destroy it, 
 make it more or less than the perfection it always is, has been and will 
 be 
 ?   Can anyone change it it any way ?

   the answer is obvious. 

 Principle is not an object of negotiation or commodity(thus invariable 
 and vulnerable) , nor "in" anything . Everything identifiable is it's 
 expression, yet the expression neither contains or limits it. The 
 principle 
 and it's expression of 2+2=4 cannot be limited or changed(thus vulnerable) 
 it is immovable, permanent and Absolute. The principle and expression 
 are One , a Whole "Unit" .  The Father and the Son.  One does not exist 
 without the other. 

Principle. Divine Intelligence. The Absolute. Such is Truth .  . . 
 here is our "security" :) 

 All expressions(forms of identification, bike, body, bird, tree, Earth 
 etc.) are as secure as the Principle which they express.  "On Earth as it 
 is in Heaven" 

 I and My Father are One 





 On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 11:31:58 PM UTC-4, Justin August wrote: 
>
> Hey folks-
> Assuming everything goes according to plan I'm entering the wild world 
> of home ownership at the end of this month! Our bungalow in East Oakland 
> has a detached 1 car garage where he bikes will probably live. I'm 
> wondering the best way to secure them. The garage only has a car door, no 
> man door. 
>
> Any suggestions would be welcomed. 
>
> Bikes:
> Saluki (mine)
> Betty Foy (wife's)
>
> -Justin
>
 -




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Re: [RBW] Re: Best advice for securing bikes in a garage

[Mark Reimer]

Yeah, that's what I meant!

One other super cheap and questionably effective suggestion...

Two guys I know leave a light and radio on at all times. Just loud enough 
to hear through the door. I guess the thinking is that a would-be thief 
might be duped into thinking someone is working in the garage. So long as 
they don't come back over and over and catch on, it's a pretty good 
suggestion. 

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>
> If what I'm hearing from Mark is correct then I wholeheartedly agree: buy 
> more bikes and lock them all together to make it hard to remove the bike! I 
> think that is the n+5 rule. 
>
> Congrats on the homeownership! I hope to be there too one day, my bike 
> storage solution now is creative, to say the least, for a 900 sq ft house 
> with no garage. If I ever make it back to a place with a garage I was 
> thinking of going the anchor bolt and chain route. 
>
> On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 11:10:29 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Congratulations on the new home! I'm hoping to get my membership card to 
>> this illusive club in the not too distant future myself. As such, bike 
>> storage and security has been on my mind as well. 
>>
>> I know too many friends who've had their bikes ripped off from their 
>> garages. Not having a man-door is a great start. Do you have any windows? 
>> I'd bar them for sure, though that's probably obvious. The next thing is 
>> securing the car door. I'm guessing if you don't have a man door, you 
>> probably can't lock the car door to the ground from the inside hey... Hmm. 
>> Interesting challenge. 
>>
>> I live in an apartment and for a while kept all my cheaper bikes in my 
>> storage locker (coupla surly bikes). I bought the heaviest gauge chain I 
>> could find locally and ran it through the frames and wheels of the bikes. 
>> It was tedious work as the chain was so heavy and awkward to remove, but 
>> when the locker was inevitably broken into, the bikes were all there...
>>
>> The first suggestion of locking to the wall sounds good, but I wonder if 
>> the bike frame could be used as a lever to pull it out of the studs? The 
>> reason I liked locking the bikes to each other is that it creates one huge 
>> super awkward jumble of bikes. Totally impossible to move unless you cut 
>> the chain. And this chain took two *large* men standing on a cutting 
>> machine to break at the hardware store. My 2 cents!
>>
>> On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 11:10:27 AM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Justin,
>>> Be careful about storing tools in the garage. I've heard of cases where 
>>> tools in the garage were used by burglars to remove locks, etc.
>>>
>>> If you haven't already, record your bikes' serial numbers, take some 
>>> pics, and check your insurance policy on what is/is not covered. 
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> shoji
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 11:40:12 AM UTC-4, Kainalu wrote:

 It's easy to make a fake all-weather camera bubble, and not that much 
 harder to have a real one. 
 And signs that state that there is an alarm system are an excellent 
 first line of defense against bike thieves who can read.
 -Kai
 giving it my darndest to avoid openly sharing with the divine or 
 terrestrial, in Brooklyn NY

 Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> So in practical terms related to Justin's question, are you suggesting 
> that the best way to secure bicycles in a garage is to *Leave it to 
> Jesus*?
>
> On 04/04/2016 08:59 AM, Garth wrote:
>
>
> 2 + 2 = 4  
>
> Is this principle limited locally, individually to me, you or anyone, 
> or is this truth Universal, Infinite and belongs to everyone eternally 
> and 
> without bounds or restraint ? 
>
> Can anyone steal it, buy it, sell it, hide it, hoard it, destroy it, 
> make it more or less than the perfection it always is, has been and will 
> be 
> ?   Can anyone change it it any way ?
>
>   the answer is obvious. 
>
> Principle is not an object of negotiation or commodity(thus invariable 
> and vulnerable) , nor "in" anything . Everything identifiable is it's 
> expression, yet the expression neither contains or limits it. The 
> principle 
> and it's expression of 2+2=4 cannot be limited or changed(thus 
> vulnerable) 
> it is immovable, permanent and Absolute. The principle and expression 
> are One , a Whole "Unit" .  The Father and the Son.  One does not exist 
> without the other. 
>
>Principle. Divine Intelligence. The Absolute. Such is Truth .  . . 
> here is our "security" :) 
>
> All expressions(forms of identification, bike, body, bird, tree, Earth 
> etc.) are as secure as the Principle which they express.  "On Earth as it 
> is in Heaven" 
>
> I and My Father are One 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 11:31:58 PM 

[RBW] FS: Joe Appaloosa Cockpit

[Rich Lesnik]

Includes "Bullmoose Choco" bar, ribber grips, mtb brake levers, sunrace 
thumb shifters. Asking $40 or best offer. Local Bay Area preferred 
(shipping could get tricky). Contact me offline at: 
rles...@handsonwheels.com

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[RBW] Re: FS: Joe Appaloosa Cockpit

[Rich Lesnik]

It has been pointed out to me that there is a typo in the price I listed 
for the Appaloosa cockpit (no wonder I got so many responses! and so fast!) 
The deal is $140, not $40.

Sorry. Anyone who's responded, I'm "desolee" and ask your forgiveness!

Rich

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 2:00:04 PM UTC-7, Rich Lesnik wrote:
>
> Includes "Bullmoose Choco" bar, ribber grips, mtb brake levers, sunrace 
> thumb shifters. Asking $40 or best offer. Local Bay Area preferred 
> (shipping could get tricky). Contact me offline at: 
> rles...@handsonwheels.com
>

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