CSNano Silver?

2004-04-14 Thread Ole Alstrup
Hi,

Has anyone here had any comparative experiences with a
new product called Nano Silver, I came across it at

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/maatshop/n2_main.htm

Anyone knows the company Advanced Nano Technologies
who seems to be the manufacturer of this product? I
cant find any relevant links through gooogle.

Any related comments or insights about the accuracy of
the contents of the information in the product
description would be most welcome, thanks.

- Ole







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Re: CSNano Silver?

2004-04-14 Thread Jason Eaton
Greetings, Ole:

Typical misinformation.  I love the part about a 500 PPM solution being not
strong enough and  0.001 micron sized particles not quite being small
enough.

I also love this:

For any scientific body that wishes to verify these statements about the
parts per million or size of the silver particles in Nano Silver, realize
that almost all ordinary laboratory equipment that is used to identify
ingredients in substances will not work with nano-ized particles, because
they are so small. You must be able to see individual atoms or extremely
small molecules to detect the silver's presence, and most equipment cannot
do this. The strong silver presence in Nano Silver is obvious to anyone who
tastes it, but for mechanical systems, it's very difficult to detect. That's
why it works so well.

It's typical Drunvalo Melchizedek drivel; par for the course.

I'm betting it's just another silver citrate-type product.  Unfortunately, I
tend to get really irritated with this type of promotional abuse.  I'm
assuming they have some sophisticated equipment to test their product @ 2000
PPM?

WATER OZ SILVER was and is very similiar, in both attitude and marketing.
They hid their products true make-up for a long time, until Frank tested it
and revealed what is really was.

Best Regards,

Jason





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From: Ole Alstrup alst...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 1:48 AM
Subject: CSNano Silver?


 Hi,

 Has anyone here had any comparative experiences with a
 new product called Nano Silver, I came across it at

 http://www.spiritofmaat.com/maatshop/n2_main.htm

 Anyone knows the company Advanced Nano Technologies
 who seems to be the manufacturer of this product? I
 cant find any relevant links through gooogle.

 Any related comments or insights about the accuracy of
 the contents of the information in the product
 description would be most welcome, thanks.

 - Ole






 
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Re: CSNano Silver?

2004-04-14 Thread David Bearrow

I quote from the site:

Unlike the old colloidal silvers, this new Nano Silver

is as clear as water (instead of being brown);...

...the strength of Nano Silver is 2,000 parts per million.

This sounds like heavy exaggeration to me. 2000 ppm and still clear? Not 
possible as far as I know.


David Bearrow

At 03:48 AM 4/14/04, you wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone here had any comparative experiences with a
new product called Nano Silver, I came across it at

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/maatshop/n2_main.htm

Anyone knows the company Advanced Nano Technologies
who seems to be the manufacturer of this product? I
cant find any relevant links through gooogle.

Any related comments or insights about the accuracy of
the contents of the information in the product
description would be most welcome, thanks.

- Ole







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CSsplenda??

2004-04-14 Thread David S Osborne
what do we think of splenda??
noote it is in one of the Gatorade products.


http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_reactions.htm

http://mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2000/dec/3/sucralose_products.htm

http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_starbucks.htm


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Re: CSBrownian Motion

2004-04-14 Thread David S Osborne
for those of us operating on a lower frequency; what is
EIS again?
I would submit AGion is well on the way around any argyria scare. Having
their product approved for use in the food handling industry is not
exactly
light-years from ingestion.

davido


On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:49:37 +0900 Jonathan B. Britten
jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp writes:
 I second the motion.   EIS is a useful term and perhaps we should 
 promote it.CS plays into the hands of the argyria 
 scaremongers.   
   Let us make them use our terminology and then see what evidence 
 they 
 can produce.
 
 
 JBB
 
 
 
 
 
 On Tuesday, Apr 13, 2004, at 19:10 Asia/Tokyo, Matthew McCann PE 
 wrote:
 
  Hi, Stuff,
   
  As far as the ionic fraction of EIS is concerned
  (and that would seem to be most of it,) mutual
  repulsion does homogenize the solution. So  the
  answer to your question is Yes.
   
  P.S. I'm really starting to like the distinctive
  meaning of EIS.  Jason deserves thanks for
  coining it.
   
  Matthew
 


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RE: CSsplenda??

2004-04-14 Thread Richard Harris
Hi David,

Dr.Mercola (of whom I am a great admirer) holds Splenda as one of the sugar
substitutes for which there has been abmismally little testing to prove it's
safety--I concur.

However, on the Gatorade Label, ingredients list Sucrose Syrup--NOT
Sucralose (Splenda)--There is NO Splenda NOR Aspartame in Gatorade, but Real
Sugar for energy.

Sincerely,
Richard Harris; 56 yr FL Pharmacist

-Original Message-
From: David S Osborne [mailto:ide...@juno.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:01 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSsplenda??


what do we think of splenda??
noote it is in one of the Gatorade products.


http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_reactions.htm

http://mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2000/dec/3/sucralose_products.htm

http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_starbucks.htm


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Re: CSsplenda??

2004-04-14 Thread Marshall Dudley
Splenda, aka sucralose, is chlorinated sucrose, or cane/beet sugar.

I think the jury is still out on it.  Adkins recommends it, and it does not
appear to be a neurotoxin like nutrasweet is.  It has been around a long
time, but only became popular recently.

Looking at the first link you have below, I do have a few comments.  First
the comparison with pesticides makes no sense.  If that were a valid
comparison then table salt would also qualify as being chlorinated and
related.  This is the same type of comparison that is made between EIS and
silver compounds.

From the list of reactions, it appears that most could be a common allergy
type of reaction.  You will always find some people allergic to almost
anything, so this is not particularly surprising.  What seems to be missing
from the list is long term problems, problems that don't go away after
removal of the substance from the diet, like nutrasweet has, IE. tumors,
CFS, degenerative nerve disorders such as MS, death.

It may well be somewhat harmful to the average person, but compared to
nutrasweet, I don't even think it is close.

Marshall

David S Osborne wrote:

 what do we think of splenda??
 noote it is in one of the Gatorade products.

 http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_reactions.htm

 http://mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2000/dec/3/sucralose_products.htm

 http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_starbucks.htm

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Re: CSsplenda??

2004-04-14 Thread Marshall Dudley
That link: http://mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2000/dec/3/sucralose_products.htm

Indicates that the gatorade product that has sucralose in it is Propel water

Did you check the labe of that?

Marshall

Richard Harris wrote:

 Hi David,

 Dr.Mercola (of whom I am a great admirer) holds Splenda as one of the sugar
 substitutes for which there has been abmismally little testing to prove it's
 safety--I concur.

 However, on the Gatorade Label, ingredients list Sucrose Syrup--NOT
 Sucralose (Splenda)--There is NO Splenda NOR Aspartame in Gatorade, but Real
 Sugar for energy.

 Sincerely,
 Richard Harris; 56 yr FL Pharmacist

 -Original Message-
 From: David S Osborne [mailto:ide...@juno.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:01 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSsplenda??

 what do we think of splenda??
 noote it is in one of the Gatorade products.

 http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_reactions.htm

 http://mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2000/dec/3/sucralose_products.htm

 http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_starbucks.htm

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Re: CSsplenda??

2004-04-14 Thread Garnet
On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 10:06, Marshall Dudley wrote:

 
 Looking at the first link you have below, I do have a few comments.  First
 the comparison with pesticides makes no sense.  If that were a valid
 comparison then table salt would also qualify as being chlorinated and
 related.  This is the same type of comparison that is made between EIS and
 silver compounds.


Huh? Because table salt has a chlorine in it that makes it the same as a
chlorinated product? 


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Re: CSsplenda??

2004-04-14 Thread Christine Carleton
David and Marshall

I would suggest checking out Mercola's
http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_starbucks.htm
and the leads therein to get a better picture of splenda.
I would not touch it with a ten foot pole.  Just feel it.
Your answer is there.
Warmly with E-hugs,

Christine   
Christine Carleton, C.B.P.

The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will
interest (their) patients in the care of the human frame
and in the cause and prevention of dis-ease... T. Edison

~~~
 From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:10:29 -0400
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSsplenda??
 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:08:21 -0700
 
 That link: http://mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2000/dec/3/sucralose_products.htm
 
 Indicates that the gatorade product that has sucralose in it is Propel water
 
 Did you check the labe of that?
 
 Marshall
 
 Richard Harris wrote:
 
 Hi David,
 
 Dr.Mercola (of whom I am a great admirer) holds Splenda as one of the sugar
 substitutes for which there has been abmismally little testing to prove it's
 safety--I concur.
 
 However, on the Gatorade Label, ingredients list Sucrose Syrup--NOT
 Sucralose (Splenda)--There is NO Splenda NOR Aspartame in Gatorade, but Real
 Sugar for energy.
 
 Sincerely,
 Richard Harris; 56 yr FL Pharmacist
 
 -Original Message-
 From: David S Osborne [mailto:ide...@juno.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:01 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSsplenda??
 
 what do we think of splenda??
 noote it is in one of the Gatorade products.
 
 http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_reactions.htm
 
 http://mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2000/dec/3/sucralose_products.htm
 
 http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_starbucks.htm
 
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Re: CSsplenda??

2004-04-14 Thread Marshall Dudley
Salt is a chlorinated compound.  I am saying that comparing it to chlorinated
pesticides does not make sense.

Marshall

Garnet wrote:

 On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 10:06, Marshall Dudley wrote:

 
  Looking at the first link you have below, I do have a few comments.  First
  the comparison with pesticides makes no sense.  If that were a valid
  comparison then table salt would also qualify as being chlorinated and
  related.  This is the same type of comparison that is made between EIS and
  silver compounds.

 Huh? Because table salt has a chlorine in it that makes it the same as a
 chlorinated product?

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Re: CSlung congestion

2004-04-14 Thread Christine Carleton
Hi Dan,
 
I have had personal challenges with lungs for 40+ years - as a result of
paralytic polio, numerous encounters with pneumonia and bronchitis, age, and
just growing older. I have effected results beyond what is considered
possible - including restarting abdominal breathing that had been paralyzed
and locked off for 40 years etc..  One tool was very specific oils, and
another BodyTalk/Quantum Body.  As these solutions are not on topic for this
chat line, your welcome to contact me off line.  I concur with the
recommendations about CS/H2O2/MSM/DMSO being useful too.

Cheers,

Christine


 -Original Message-
 From: fig...@comcast.net [mailto:fig...@comcast.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 2:08 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSlung congestion
 
 
 Many thanks for all the information!! All of it.  I will cautiously  try H2O2
with CS etc. I am using the CS/DMSO/MSM as it is with Harbor Freight
nebulizer
 
 There was a doctor who claimed H2O2 in an IV drip would percolate  oxygen out
of the lungs and cure emphysema over 10 sessions. Gunk would be
expectorated.
 
 http://www.medical-library.net/sites/framer.html?/sites/
 _iv_hydrogen_peroxid e_therapy.html It also clears the lungs, in cases of
emphysema, by producing oxygen bubbles in the alveoli (tiny air sacs in the
lungs), literally lifting  the mucus deposits up, so they can be coughed
out.
 
 http://goodshape.net/H2O2.html
 Dan


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Re: CSsplenda diebeties??

2004-04-14 Thread Marshall Dudley
I find this paragraph interesting:

Few human studies of safety have been published on sucralose. One small study 
of
diabetic patients using the sweetener showed a statistically significant 
increase in
glycosylated hemoglobin (Hba1C), which is a marker of long-term blood glucose 
levels
and is used to assess glycemic control in diabetic patients. According to the 
FDA,
increases in glycosolation in hemoglobin imply lessening of control of 
diabetes.

What is interesting is that my wife replaced all sugar with Splenda about a year
ago.  At that time she was diabetic, and the doctor had upped her medicine 3 or 
4
times already.  He said that he was going to have to up it again before she 
changed
her diet.  Following the elimination of sugar from her diet and replacement with
Splenda, she was able to completely eliminate taking any diabeties medicine, 
and now
her blood sugar is normal.

So I am a bit confused. How can something reported to lessen control of 
diabeties
end up curing hers?  It does not make sense. I wish there would be more 
extensive
research on this.

Marshall




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Re: CSColloidal Minerals Down Under

2004-04-14 Thread Rowena Evans
I haven't found Concentrace on the shelves so far here in Australia, but I
have bought a bottle of Organic Colloidal Minerals.  Could anyone have a
look and see what they think about this, please?  Thanks.  Rowena

http://www.fulhealthindustries.com.au/information.htm
Our minerals are derived from selected soils. Having a humic acid fraction
of 67.95%


Concentrations in Mg/L:

Lithium 0.02  Copper: 1.3

Beryllium 0.001   Zinc:3.5

Boron: 0.3 Germanium0.10

Sodium: 80.6   Selenium0.015

Magnesium: 55.5Strontium: 0.54

Aluminium:69.00Molybdenum0.54

Silicon: 11.8  Palladium0.10

Phosphorus: 1.4Silver: 0.3

Sulphur: 98.5  Cadmium0.002

Potassium: 7.1 Tin0.1

Calcium: 70.5  Antimony0.10

Titanium:0.54  Caesium0.001

Vanadium: 0.34 Barium: 0.13

Chromium:0.59  Platinum0.10

Manganese: 0.18Gold0.10

Iron: 15.85Thallium0.2

Cobalt: 0.055  Lead0.02

Nickel:0.34Bismuth0.10



May also contain trace amounts of: Chloride, Scandium, Gallium, Arsenic,
Rubidium, Zirconium. Niobium, Ruthenium, Rhodium, Indium, Tellurium, Iodine,
Lanthanum, Cerium, Yttrium, Praseodymium, Neodymium, Samarium, Europium,
Gadolinium, Terbium, Dysporsium, Holmium, Erbium, Thulium, Ytterbium,
Osmium, Lutetium, Hafnium, Tungsten, Rhenium, Iridium, Mercury, Thorium.


Humic Acids containing essential glyconutrients :-

Mannose, Fucose, Glucose, N-acetylglucosamine Galactose, N-acetylneuraminic
acid, Xylose, N-acetylgalactosamine.

Not individually quantified

Dissolved Organic Carbon (DOC) test = up to 640 mgC/L
(or 6400 mg/L).

These minerals have been cold extracted by a unique ionic extraction process
developed at Fulhealth Industries then suspended in ultra-pure de-ionised
water.






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CSCS: Sepia Tint?

2004-04-14 Thread Rowena Evans
Never mind turning blue - I'm turning brown.  Well, not all over.

Preparing chicken in bare hands (sorry, Hulda!) my finger was pricked and
scratched by a sharp bone.  I had wiped my colloidal silver generating jar
and wires with a tissue, which was wet and partially black.  Remembering
Matthew's query as to whether this black/grey stuff could be used in an
ointment, I decided to see what would happen if I used this tissue as a
dressing.  I wrapped the whole finger in the tissue, and covered it with
cling wrap, which I left on overnight.  The next day I put on a plaster, and
left that on for a few days.

My finger nail was stained brown, and so, oddly, were the back and sides of
the finger, but not the front where the plaster dressing pad was.  This
brown remains rather like a varnish, but is now cracked and probably flaking
off slightly.  I thought it must be the silver that had stained the nail and
skin, and racked my brain to remember whether I had put anything else on,
like propolis tincture.  I had put some Tea Tree oil on the scratch,
possibly also some Calendula tincture.  Didn't think the propolis would do
this even if I had applied and forgotten - didn't remember it ever happening
before.

Few days later, thumb was a bit sore.  Wiped generator jar and wires with
tissue.
Wrapped tissue around thumb with plastic glove over.  An hour or so later
took
it off.  Result:  brown stain on nail and skin where, presumably, the black
deposit reached
the skin.

I don't know if there is any use for this brown stain.  I hope it is
administering continuing minute doses of CS.  As the days pass it is turning
more orange-coloured, also sepia.  Am I turning into a photograph of myself?

The chicken-scratch healed fine with an elegant narrow scar.  I upped my
dose of CS just in case anything had clambered inside my finger.

Rowena


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Re: CSsplenda??

2004-04-14 Thread Christine Carleton
ALSO check out the signs and symptoms

Is Splenda Making You Sick? Find Out Some Common Reaction Symptoms
http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_reactions.htm  -

 The artificial sweetener Splenda is used in hundreds of foods and beverages
in the United States and is touted as being safe and healthier than sugar.
But if Splenda is safe, why haven’t any studies been done to prove it, and
why are so many people getting sick from eating Splenda? Find out some of
the more common reaction symptoms now.

Christine

 From: Christine Carleton essential-liv...@telus.net
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:03:27 -0700
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSsplenda??
 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:02:38 -0700
 
 David and Marshall
 
 I would suggest checking out Mercola's
 http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_starbucks.htm
 and the leads therein to get a better picture of splenda.
 I would not touch it with a ten foot pole.  Just feel it.
 Your answer is there.
 Warmly with E-hugs,
 
 Christine   
 Christine Carleton, C.B.P.
 
 The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will
 interest (their) patients in the care of the human frame
 and in the cause and prevention of dis-ease... T. Edison
 
 ~~~
 From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:10:29 -0400
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSsplenda??
 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:08:21 -0700
 
 That link: http://mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2000/dec/3/sucralose_products.htm
 
 Indicates that the gatorade product that has sucralose in it is Propel
 water
 
 Did you check the labe of that?
 
 Marshall
 
 Richard Harris wrote:
 
 Hi David,
 
 Dr.Mercola (of whom I am a great admirer) holds Splenda as one of the sugar
 substitutes for which there has been abmismally little testing to prove it's
 safety--I concur.
 
 However, on the Gatorade Label, ingredients list Sucrose Syrup--NOT
 Sucralose (Splenda)--There is NO Splenda NOR Aspartame in Gatorade, but Real
 Sugar for energy.
 
 Sincerely,
 Richard Harris; 56 yr FL Pharmacist
 
 -Original Message-
 From: David S Osborne [mailto:ide...@juno.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:01 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSsplenda??
 
 what do we think of splenda??
 noote it is in one of the Gatorade products.
 
 http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_reactions.htm
 
 http://mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2000/dec/3/sucralose_products.htm
 
 http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_starbucks.htm
 
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CSCS Specs Fulhealthindustries - your opinion?

2004-04-14 Thread Rowena Evans
What do you make of their Water and Specifications?
Rowena

http://www.fulhealthindustries.com.au/information.htm
Our Silver colloid is manufactured in a semi-sealed environment free from
dirt, dust and lint particles. All surface areas are sanitised daily using
Silver and Hydrogen peroxide disinfection.
All water used has a pH value of between 7 and 10 to assure alkaline
prominence. All water to be used is treated by being passed through two
250mm beds of ion exchange resins. Prior to de-ionising, all water is passed
through a .4 micron absolute mechanical filtration system and then degassed.
Silver electrodes are charged with a specific electrical current so as to
introduce silver particles into the de-ionised water. The process is able to
remove larger particles of silver (above .010 microns approx.).


RAW PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS:

SILVER: Selected 99.999%+ fine silver.

WATER PROCESS: Pre-filtered to less than .4 micron and degassed, de-ionised
through a 500mL hydrogen based mixed ion exchange resin bed.

WATER CONDUCTIVITY: Less than 1 microsemin per centimetre.
Manufacturing Specifications


SILVER COLLOID SPECIFICATIONS:

CONCENTRATION: 5mg/L - 10mg/L

SUSPENDED SILVER
PARTICLE SIZE: .008 - .010 microns

CONDUCTIVITY: Less than 15 microsemins per centimetre @ 5 mg/L.

COLOUR: Pale yellow.

USES: A non-irritant internal

etc etc with testimonials


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Re: CSCS: Sepia Tint?

2004-04-14 Thread Marshall Dudley
Rowena Evans wrote:

 Never mind turning blue - I'm turning brown.  Well, not all over.

The only two compounds of silver that I can find that are brown are Silver
Flouride and Silver Oxide.  The silver oxide is a dark brown, and the silver
flouride somewhat lighter according to my references.

Although it could conceivably be silver flouride if you had mixed it with any
flouridated water, I suspect that the black was silver peroxide, and it released
some oxygen over time on your finger and produced silver oxide.

Marshall


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Re: CSCS: Sepia Tint?

2004-04-14 Thread Rowena Evans
 I suspect that the black was silver peroxide, and it released
 some oxygen over time on your finger and produced silver oxide.

Sounds right.  No fluoride within cooee.  Also sounds rather healthy.  But
maybe it also answers Matthew's question about whether the black goo would
be useful in an ointment - it might stain brown.  Does silver oxide have a
good reputation healthwise?

I looked at my brew with a torch the other day, and wondered if I was seeing
the famous sparklies, but didn't think so, though they looked shiny.  Looked
like little gas bubbles, but not going anywhere.  A scattering of them on
the bottom of the jar, some just hanging in the water, some clinging
stationary on the sides.
Rowena


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CSSepia Tint?

2004-04-14 Thread Matthew McCann PE
Hi, Rowena,


The Roman naturalist and historian Pliny recorded that the
slag by-product of silver refining was found to give
special healing qualities to medical plasters, particularly
those applied to open wounds. Oxides of silver were
likely the main constituent of such slag.

A 20th century follow-up to Pliny's observation was
undertaken in-vivo by J.H.Muller in 1936 and reported in
Hill  Pillsbury in 1939 (p. 4):

...An oily dispersion of anhydrous silver oxide containing
5 per cent silver oxide will yield its entire silver oxide
content to the (animal) system by simple inunction on the
surface of the skin or by application to open lesions or
mucous surfaces and that, when so absorbed, silver in
some form or another can be readily found in both urine
and feces of the treated animal. The analysis of the skin
and underlying tissues treated by inunction failed to show
any sign of deposits of silver or any compounds of this
metal so that complete systemic distribution of the
administered oxide is more probable.

According to Hill  Pillsbury, Muller felt his results
pointed to a probable completeness of elimination from
the animal system, of silver oxide.

Also, Muller did an in-vivo experiment on himself. He
rubbed silver oxide ointment (Novoxil) on the back of his
hands daily for many months but could demonstrate no
staining effect on or about the area treated.
Similar treatment with a dispersion of silver acetate
resulted in marked staining. Presumably, silver nitrate
would have stained likewise.

Please keep us informed of the outcome of your
intriguing experiment, Rowena.

Best regards,

Matthew




RE: CSCS Specs Fulhealthindustries - your opinion?

2004-04-14 Thread Richard Harris
Very Impressive, Rowena,
Would that each of us could meet most of those standards in preparing our
CS!

By the way, I just sent my first order to Australia from my
www.rharrisinc.com --I'm quite excited and pleased to be able to help
someone with a need that far from Florida. This year I've had 2 orders from
Honolulu also. I jokingly tell my tax preparer that I have a Not-for-profit
corporation--it wasn't set up that way, but has turned out that way--Oh,
well, I enjoy helping people that need my excellent products.

Sincerely,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

-Original Message-
From: Rowena Evans [mailto:rowenaev...@iprimus.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:01 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSCS Specs Fulhealthindustries - your opinion?


What do you make of their Water and Specifications?
Rowena

http://www.fulhealthindustries.com.au/information.htm
Our Silver colloid is manufactured in a semi-sealed environment free from
dirt, dust and lint particles. All surface areas are sanitised daily using
Silver and Hydrogen peroxide disinfection.
All water used has a pH value of between 7 and 10 to assure alkaline
prominence. All water to be used is treated by being passed through two
250mm beds of ion exchange resins. Prior to de-ionising, all water is passed
through a .4 micron absolute mechanical filtration system and then degassed.
Silver electrodes are charged with a specific electrical current so as to
introduce silver particles into the de-ionised water. The process is able to
remove larger particles of silver (above .010 microns approx.).


RAW PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS:

SILVER: Selected 99.999%+ fine silver.

WATER PROCESS: Pre-filtered to less than .4 micron and degassed, de-ionised
through a 500mL hydrogen based mixed ion exchange resin bed.

WATER CONDUCTIVITY: Less than 1 microsemin per centimetre.
Manufacturing Specifications


SILVER COLLOID SPECIFICATIONS:

CONCENTRATION: 5mg/L - 10mg/L

SUSPENDED SILVER
PARTICLE SIZE: .008 - .010 microns

CONDUCTIVITY: Less than 15 microsemins per centimetre @ 5 mg/L.

COLOUR: Pale yellow.

USES: A non-irritant internal

etc etc with testimonials


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Re: CSsplenda??

2004-04-14 Thread Craig C Chamberlin

Hi All,

WRT Splenda, the first time I tried it, I was painfully sick to my 
stomach for two hours.  Its not for me, doesn't bother my wife, so go 
figure.  We just don't use any sugars, unless they are come via fruits.


The first time I was given some hard candy (unknowingly) sweetened with 
aspartame (back in 1982), I was sick to my stomach for nearly four 
hours.  Bad stuff, imho.



Splenda, aka sucralose, is chlorinated sucrose, or cane/beet sugar.

I think the jury is still out on it.  Adkins recommends it, and it does not
appear to be a neurotoxin like nutrasweet is.  It has been around a long
time, but only became popular recently.


Ciao,

Craig


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RE: CSBrownian Motion

2004-04-14 Thread Richard Harris
I applaud your support of EIS and vote to adopt this statement.
EIS is appealing  doesn't have the Rosemary Connotation.

Sincerely,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

-Original Message-
From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:18 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSBrownian Motion


Gotta agree that the term CS has been bothering me. I feel I have to
qualify my statements when I tell someone about CS, the ionic aspects
and all -- and that it makes their eyes glaze over. Really all people
want to know is does it work and how do I do it.

Garnet

On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 20:49, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
 I second the motion.   EIS is a useful term and perhaps we
 shouldpromote it.CS plays into the hands of the argyria
 scaremongers.   Let us make them use our terminology and then see what
 evidence theycan produce.   
 
 
 JBB
 
 
 
 
 
 On Tuesday, Apr 13, 2004, at 19:10 Asia/Tokyo, Matthew McCann PE
 wrote:
 
 Hi, Stuff,
  
 As far as the ionic fractionof EIS is concerned
 (and that would seem to bemost of it,) mutual
 repulsion does homogenize thesolution. So  the
 answer to your question isYes.
  
 P.S. I'm really starting tolike the distinctive
 meaning of EIS.  Jasondeserves thanks for
 coining it.
  
 Matthew


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Re: CSsilver is reactive meta

2004-04-14 Thread Peter Rebaudo

Marshall Wrote

silver is one of the most inert metals there is, it is slightly more reactive 
than gold, but
not much. You can drop it into fuming nitric, sulfuric and hydrochloric acids
(independently) and nothing happens.

Marshal:

As a child once I try to clean a silver chain in an Ounce of the acid tinners 
use to solder. The chain completely dissolved after a few minutes.

What kind of acid do You think it was?

Peter R





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Re: CSBrownian Motion

2004-04-14 Thread Hank
Me too everyone, I just can't remember what the I stands for unless it is 
ionic, I know what the E and the S means.
Yours Hank
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Harris 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Cc: Richard Harris 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 4:26 PM
  Subject: RE: CSBrownian Motion


  I applaud your support of EIS and vote to adopt this statement.
  EIS is appealing  doesn't have the Rosemary Connotation.

  Sincerely,
  Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

  -Original Message-
  From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:18 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSBrownian Motion


  Gotta agree that the term CS has been bothering me. I feel I have to
  qualify my statements when I tell someone about CS, the ionic aspects
  and all -- and that it makes their eyes glaze over. Really all people
  want to know is does it work and how do I do it.

  Garnet

  On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 20:49, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
   I second the motion.   EIS is a useful term and perhaps we
   shouldpromote it.CS plays into the hands of the argyria
   scaremongers.   Let us make them use our terminology and then see what
   evidence theycan produce.   
   
   
   JBB
   
   
   
   
   
   On Tuesday, Apr 13, 2004, at 19:10 Asia/Tokyo, Matthew McCann PE
   wrote:
   
   Hi, Stuff,

   As far as the ionic fractionof EIS is concerned
   (and that would seem to bemost of it,) mutual
   repulsion does homogenize thesolution. So  the
   answer to your question isYes.

   P.S. I'm really starting tolike the distinctive
   meaning of EIS.  Jasondeserves thanks for
   coining it.

   Matthew

CS(ok mik),ring worm verses c/s

2004-04-14 Thread akajhon

Does C/S work on ringworm ?
Tanks,,


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Re: CSsplenda??

2004-04-14 Thread Dave Darrin

Just a word ot two on splenda.
  I started using splenda as my only sweetener about four years ago, 
while on the Atkins diet. It looks like sugar, tastes like sugar handles 
heat for cooking like sugar and doesn't raise the glycemic figures a 
bit. Also if you are in Ketosis it doesn't affect the Ketostrip colors 
any. The advantage over Stevia is it is always the same and you don't 
get an after taste.
  My wife and kids all use it as the only sweetener. They won't drink 
soda pop that isn't sweetened with Splenda and the ice-cream we buy is 
sweetened with it also.
  In a nutshell it is fantastic and anyone that is having a problem 
should look at the other changes they are undergoing in their diet.

  I've read the same stuff here on the list concerning CS in the past
and I don't believe it is the problem in either case.(for either of them)
  That's my rant for today.
Dave





Sharon wrote:
It makes me ill. I just started the Atkins diet, and I tried the shakes, 
which have splenda. Note that on Atkins you are supposed to have issues 
with constipation at first. Not me..every time I drank a shake I had 
the opposite problem. Didn't figure it out for days.


I like my Thymus gland just fine the way it is thank you.
Sharon


what do we think of splenda??
noote it is in one of the Gatorade products.


http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_reactions.htm

http://mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2000/dec/3/sucralose_products.htm

http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_starbucks.htm


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Re: CSsplenda??

2004-04-14 Thread Sharon
It makes me ill. I just started the Atkins diet, and I tried the 
shakes, which have splenda. Note that on Atkins you are supposed to 
have issues with constipation at first. Not me..every time I 
drank a shake I had the opposite problem. Didn't figure it out for 
days.


I like my Thymus gland just fine the way it is thank you.
Sharon


what do we think of splenda??
noote it is in one of the Gatorade products.


http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_reactions.htm

http://mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2000/dec/3/sucralose_products.htm

http://mercola.com/2004/apr/14/splenda_starbucks.htm


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RE: CSPPM change to CS by adding 3% H2O2

2004-04-14 Thread J J

Ode writes,

  In my experience, H2O2 should not be added during the process in any 
amount.

 I did that once and made copious amounts of shiny silver metal flakes big
enough to use in a snow scene paperweight. Conductivity never exceeded 13
uS after many hours.
..very pretty, but not useful.


Thanks for your response, Ode. Your results from adding H2O2 at the
beginning of a brew does sound ominous.

I did go ahead and make a normal batch and added 20 ml H2O2 during the
32 hour brewing process. Other than the conductivity change, so far up
to 12.78 uS after 5 days, no difference was noticed in the CS. Still
clear and no floating material, just like normal batches.  No H2O2
taste, either.

One obvious benefit: All the gray fuzzy material is gone! My method is
to bang the cathode frequently during brewing, knocking the major mass
of this accumulation into the batch which is then strained through
coffee filters when pouring the finished CS into storage containers.
This time though, only a fraction of the normal amount of gray
material was left in the generator jar at the end of the brew.
Although no filter was used when pouring the CS into a storage
container, there is now no gray stuff anywhere. Sparkle count in the
TE of a shaken container is quite high.

Jimmy Joe

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RE: CSLVDC EIS predates use of DW as the solvent.

2004-04-14 Thread J J

Matthew writes,

(...)

He used a low-voltage, direct-current electrolysis circuit
to sinter pure silver electrodes into electrically-isolated
silver ions directly into a solvent, blood plasma.

(...)

Could you provide a reference to where the word 'sinter' is
defined in this way?  Most definitions I found relate more
to a low temperature bonding process and don't seem to fit
at all with electrolysis.

Much obliged,

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CSMinerals in Australia

2004-04-14 Thread Terry Chamberlin
Rowena,
The mineral product you mentioned in your last post is
called humic shale or humic clay, usually minerals
from the ground that have been ground to dust and then
suspended in water. Usually they are very old organic
deposits (plants and animals) that have essentially
petrified. They may not be as assimilable as other
forms of minerals. I at one time recommended to my
clients a liquid mineral supplement from a company
called New Vision, a multi-level company. Their
product was humic shale/clay. My clients reported good
results if they ingested enough of it - usually 3 - 4
oz/day (an expensive dosage). There were around 65-70
minerals in it, including many trace minerals. There
are many companies marketing humic shale products at
varying strengths, with varying positive results. If I
had nothing else, I would use them.

The reason I like Concentrace is because it comes from
organic sources (the decayed plant matter that is
found in the Great Salt Lake). It also contains every
mineral needed by the human body - over 100 minerals.
The proportions of these minerals to each other are
almost identical to the proportions of minerals found
in healthy human blood plasma.

In Australia, see:

http://www.bionatural.com.au/?newsID=89578
It appears that this company sells Concentrace under
another name.

http://www.ausvita.com/  This company's 'Colloidal'
minerals are humic shale in water.

http://www.agmfoods.com/index.html?target=products/ionic_minerals.htm
It sounds like the same description used by the
Concentrace folks.

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Re: CSsilver is reactive meta

2004-04-14 Thread Marshall Dudley
My guess is that it was a 14K silver plated copper chain, and the copper 
reacted with the acid.  There is no acid that will attack pure silver metal
at room temperature alone.  If there was then cleaning stains left by 
evaporated CS would be easy.

Marshall

Peter Rebaudo wrote:

 Marshall Wrote

 silver is one of the most inert metals there is, it is slightly more reactive 
 than gold, but
 not much. You can drop it into fuming nitric, sulfuric and hydrochloric acids
 (independently) and nothing happens.

 Marshal:

 As a child once I try to clean a silver chain in an Ounce of the acid tinners 
 use to solder. The chain completely dissolved after a few minutes.

 What kind of acid do You think it was?

 Peter R

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Re: CSLVDC EIS predates use of DW as the solvent.

2004-04-14 Thread Marshall Dudley
I believe he is trying to say something like slough off (or sluff off).

Marshall

J J wrote:

 Matthew writes,

 (...)
 He used a low-voltage, direct-current electrolysis circuit
 to sinter pure silver electrodes into electrically-isolated
 silver ions directly into a solvent, blood plasma.
 (...)

 Could you provide a reference to where the word 'sinter' is
 defined in this way?  Most definitions I found relate more
 to a low temperature bonding process and don't seem to fit
 at all with electrolysis.

 Much obliged,

 Jimmy Joe

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Re: CSColloidal Minerals Down Under

2004-04-14 Thread Wayne Fugitt




http://www.fulhealthindustries.com.au/information.htm
Our minerals are derived from selected soils. Having a humic acid fraction
of 67.95%
   Back in the early 80's I was buying Humic Acid in 5 gallon cans for 
plant food.  Supposedly, it was concentrated so I mixed with water and 
sprayed the soil around the plants.


   I can't say how much it helped because I did no control studies.

   What puzzles me, it that.. I did not drink any of it for my  own 
benefit.   If the plants used it, I would get the minerals when I ate the 
fruit and produce.


   Likely the plants did a better job of preparing my nutrients than the 
people who filled the 5 gallon cans.

Seem the price was about $ 50.00 for 5 gallon.

  Wayne


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Re: CSBrownian Motion

2004-04-14 Thread Marshall Dudley
I was thinking it was isolated.

Marshall

Hank wrote:

 Me too everyone, I just can't remember what the I stands for unless it
 is ionic, I know what the E and the S means.Yours Hank

  - Original Message -
  From: Richard Harris
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Cc: Richard Harris
  Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 4:26 PM
  Subject: RE: CSBrownian Motion
   I applaud your support of EIS and vote to adopt this
  statement.
  EIS is appealing  doesn't have the Rosemary Connotation.

  Sincerely,
  Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

  -Original Message-
  From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:18 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSBrownian Motion


  Gotta agree that the term CS has been bothering me. I feel I
  have to
  qualify my statements when I tell someone about CS, the
  ionic aspects
  and all -- and that it makes their eyes glaze over. Really
  all people
  want to know is does it work and how do I do it.

  Garnet

  On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 20:49, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
   I second the motion.   EIS is a useful term and perhaps we

   shouldpromote it.CS plays into the hands of the
  argyria
   scaremongers.   Let us make them use our terminology and
  then see what
   evidence theycan produce.
  
  
   JBB
  
  
  
  
  
   On Tuesday, Apr 13, 2004, at 19:10 Asia/Tokyo, Matthew
  McCann PE
   wrote:
  
   Hi, Stuff,
  
   As far as the ionic fractionof EIS is concerned
   (and that would seem to bemost of it,) mutual
   repulsion does homogenize thesolution. So  the
   answer to your question isYes.
  
   P.S. I'm really starting tolike the distinctive
   meaning of EIS.  Jasondeserves thanks for
   coining it.
  
   Matthew



Re: CS(ok mik),ring worm verses c/s

2004-04-14 Thread Marshall Dudley
Ring Worm is a fungus, so I would expect it to help.

Marshall

akajhon wrote:

 Does C/S work on ringworm ?
 Tanks,,

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Re: CSBrownian Motion

2004-04-14 Thread Hank
Thank you Marshall, As I was reading later I seen isolated and then it dawned 
on me that is what it is.
Yours Hank
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marshall Dudley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:14 PM
  Subject: Re: CSBrownian Motion


  I was thinking it was isolated. 
  Marshall 

  Hank wrote: 

Me too everyone, I just can't remember what the I stands for unless it is 
ionic, I know what the E and the S means.Yours Hank 
  - Original Message -

Re: CSColloidal Minerals Down Under

2004-04-14 Thread Tad Winiecki
From: Rowena Evans rowenaev...@iprimus.com.au
I haven't found Concentrace on the shelves so far here in Australia, but I
have bought a bottle of Organic Colloidal Minerals.  Could anyone have a
look and see what they think about this, please?  Thanks.  Rowena

http://www.fulhealthindustries.com.au/information.htm
Our minerals are derived from selected soils. Having a humic acid fraction
of 67.95%

Rowena-  I don't know about that particular brand, but I've been taking
colloidal minerals for almost 10 years and think they are great.  They
solved lots of ligament, tendon, and joint problems for me, and I haven't
had my back go out since I started taking them, even though it went into
bad spasms several times before I started taking them.

I highly recommend colloidal minerals, but you also need mega minerals as well.

The colloidal size of particles does not seem to be retained in the body so
the harmful trace minerals don't affect you, and in fact CM can pull toxins
and heavy minerals out of your body.

Nancy



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