CSColloidal Silver hepatitis C
My brother was recently diagnosed with Hepatitis C and I have read on the internet that it can be cured with colloidal silver. What dosage and ppm should he use?
Re: CSCS batches with AC
Hi Marshall, As I see, you use the contact resistance i.e. silver electrode surface part that becomes into a contact with water (immersed part) to be a part of the current regulation system: the longer part of silver electrode immersed = the lower resistance of the batch ( = the higher conductance of the batch) which results in higher current flow across the batch. The current must be much smaller than 100mA in your case I suppose. Otherwise, you just heat the DW with 10,000*0.1=1,000 Watts of power drain. I think that current shall rather vary with the raising conductance of the batch, even the contact resistance works here like current stabilizing element. The principle to regulate the current by simple resistor is often used to stabilize the current if you have higher voltage than you need as outgoing. BUT: the question is very complicated because the batch together with the electrode(s) are used as current regulating resistor in this case. I consider this to be rather unfortunate solution... Even simple voltage measurements are rather mystification in this case due to the stabilizing resistor being a part of the electrode(s) and the batch. What kind of device are using - a simple high voltage transformer or what? Many thanks Pavel H. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:42 PM Subject: Re: CSCS batches with AC Of course some of us use AC for making CS. I use 100 mA at 10,000 volts and 60 hz. The 14 gauge silver wire is inserted into glass tubes, and only about 1/10 of an inch is exposed to maintain the voltage. The tips are submerged into the water, and a pump continually circulates new distilled water into the chamber and the CS out. Marshall Pavel Hochmut wrote: Hi, I do not believe that there is nobody having experience with using alternate current to make CS. Can somebody help me? I want to know any details as: current and voltage levels, timing (frequency), etc. Many thanks. Pavel H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSThe Hanna PWT meter, conductivity vs. ppm values
Hi, I have looked for what the PWT means on the Hanna www.pages. Both devices mentioned below are from Hanna and are designated for measuring the conductivity. Both of them can ONLY measure the conductivity as every other ordinary conductometer does. There is nothing more. The PWT only means Purity Water Tester and determinates the device rank of accuracy in the spread of Hanna products. Nothing more. Now I understand the words I have never seen the PWT meter showing more than one decimal place (from Trem)... it´s correct, because it is it´s main feature - the range of the Hannah HI98308 PWT meter is 99,9 - 0,1 micsoSiemens with the 0,1 microSiemens resolution. If you look on the Hanna pages more carefuly, you can also find the HI98309 UPW meter (the UPW means Ultra Pure Water tester) with the range 1,000 - 0,020 microSiemens with the resolution of 0,001 microsiemens. So: who has the HI 98309 UPW model, he can measure the conductivity more precisely having dvo decimal places more than with the PWT model. But the UPW model is approx. 3 times more expensive than the PWT one. So, one who says: I have measured my DW and it has 2,9 PWT tells it wrong. Correctly should be said: 2,9 microSiemens (...measured with Hanna PWT meter). You can also see simple conductivity/resistance conversion charts on the Hanna site as I already wrote about. This reminds me that I saw posted some relation between the conductance and ppm values. That seem to me incredible, because the substance (dissolved or in the colloidal estate) may have different influence to conductance of the (say) batch. For instance let´s put into the 1 cubic cm (1 ccm) of DW 2,000.000 atoms of silver. And put to another 1 cubic cm of DW 2.000.000 atoms of Si (silicium). I bet my year´s income, that the resulting conductance measurements shall be absolutely different. I swear. Or can somebody mend my opinion? Where´s the mistake? Thanks Pavel H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: goverment and health
let me mention some specifics. i cannot legally home test my saliva here in new york for hormone levels. i tried sending my samples through a third party (a friend), but i am still being locked out currently. this is against my health and freedom. a federal agency recently prohibited one of our beef producers from paying for and testing their own cattle for mad cow disease. they are losing 35 million dollars in japanese sales because of this. think about that. one lady is investigating a cluster of mad-cow like deaths traced to a new jersey racetrack commisary. on her own. i know from getting lyme that the goverment and med establishment and insurance companies are suppressing lyme recognition. here in ny the ama prosecutes doctors who treat lyme with long term antibiotics. on my lyme lists we have to refer to the few doctors who have survived by the first initial of their last names. DR. B. for instance. older americans don't know how bad this has all gotten. they don't believe it. younger americans are clueless. those who have access and inclination to spend time on the net apparently spend all their time on video games. video games will be the next carrier of youth culture. just as rock music was in my generation -the 60's. it just hasn't gotten very socially and politically aware yet. On Apr 19, 2004, at 5:56 PM, Marshall Dudley wrote: That is great if you can do it. But what if you need an herb that has proven useful to you that can only be grown in the tropics? Will you move to the tropics and grow it? And do you think that anyone will be allowed to make their own if they are in prison for making or using illegal drugs? I agree do what you want, but at times it becomes too difficult to do so from outside the system. A letter to a congressman is not much of an expense to bear. Marshall Stuff wrote: At 10:43 AM 4/19/2004 -0400, Marshall wrote: Although this is political, it is extremely important for those who want to continue to use CS and other supplements. I'll continue to treat myself in ways I see fit, with or without *anyone's* approval. I make my own CS and if someone doesn't want me to use it they'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands. If certain products are removed from the market by people who *think* they know what's best for me, I will find another way. Fighting an 800 lb. gorilla just makes no sense when I'm free to do all these things and I'll not throw money at any group who wants to do it. And fighting this gorilla will just make it stronger. Been there, done that. Waste of time and energy. Just do whatever it is you think best, tho. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal Silver hepatitis C
At 02:14 AM 4/21/2004 -0400, Revonda wrote: My brother was recently diagnosed with Hepatitis C and I have read on the internet that it can be cured with colloidal silver. What dosage and ppm should he use? A good place to start is the archive of this list: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/search.html?query=hepatitis -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: CSimmune bugs
Did you see the report on EIS and beneficial organsims (probiotics) not dying in an In Vitro study. It was posted to both lists I think. And someone mentioned that bacteria that grow in high silver content soils are immune. Would be great to study these and work out the mechanism of resistance. Plants that grow around salt water adapt to the high salt content so it could be some kind of reverse transport mechanism in the bacteria, that pumps it back out, like the plants that grow in high salt areas? Garnet On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 19:48, James Holmes wrote: Hi Terry, Except for a few bacteria that are not hurt by silver... What bacteria are those? JOH -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: CSCS and horses
Because Encephalitis always causes brain swelling I would guess that they did give some kind of anti-inflammatory and did not report it? But yes, it is difficult to treat and I would certainly use EIS as well as DMSO IV initially and then follow up with oral maintenance doses several times a day. Same with West Nile, the faster you get the anti-inflammatories going the better the chances of full recovery. Best would be too keep some EIS going in their water source. Even a very low ppm would help ward off all kinds of problems and may even kill worms at the single cell stage. Garnet On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 19:48, James Holmes wrote: Somewhere in the archives is an anecdotal report of a Vet saving a horse from Eastern Equine Encephalitis with two IV doses of a liter and a half [1500 mL] each of 15 mg/L CS. I do not recall the spacing of the doses. EEE is considered to be always fatal. I do not recall the source of the CS or the method by which it was made. The report made no mention of any anti-inflammatory drugs being given. JOH -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS batches with AC
Pavel Hochmut wrote: Hi Marshall, As I see, you use the contact resistance i.e. silver electrode surface part that becomes into a contact with water (immersed part) to be a part of the current regulation system: the longer part of silver electrode immersed = the lower resistance of the batch ( = the higher conductance of the batch) which results in higher current flow across the batch. Some of it might be considered contact resistance, but most of it is the bulk resistance of the water in the small area around the exposed tip of the electrode. The current must be much smaller than 100mA in your case I suppose. Otherwise, you just heat the DW with 10,000*0.1=1,000 Watts of power drain. I think that current shall rather vary with the raising conductance of the batch, even the contact resistance works here like current stabilizing element. No it is fully instrumented, both the voltage and the current. I use a 3 ton water refrigeration unit to cool the water to 33 F before it goes into the chamber, and also cool the chamber. The water leaves the chamber at about 110 to 120 F. 3 1/2 gallons an hour is pumped through the chamber. The principle to regulate the current by simple resistor is often used to stabilize the current if you have higher voltage than you need as outgoing. The current is regulated by the exposed amount of the electrodes. Dropping the voltage via external resistance would not work, then the voltage across the chamber would be lower, and this would produce inferior product. BUT: the question is very complicated because the batch together with the electrode(s) are used as current regulating resistor in this case. I consider this to be rather unfortunate solution... Why is it unfortunate? The electrodes are on insulated hand screws, and as the voltage climbs, I simply turn the screws to expose more silver and restore the steady state operating conditions. Even simple voltage measurements are rather mystification in this case due to the stabilizing resistor being a part of the electrode(s) and the batch. What kind of device are using - a simple high voltage transformer or what? I have multiple 15 KV neon sign transaformers hooked up in parallel. Although they are marked as 15 KV, their full load operating voltage is around 10 KV. Marshall Many thanks Pavel H. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:42 PM Subject: Re: CSCS batches with AC Of course some of us use AC for making CS. I use 100 mA at 10,000 volts and 60 hz. The 14 gauge silver wire is inserted into glass tubes, and only about 1/10 of an inch is exposed to maintain the voltage. The tips are submerged into the water, and a pump continually circulates new distilled water into the chamber and the CS out. Marshall Pavel Hochmut wrote: Hi, I do not believe that there is nobody having experience with using alternate current to make CS. Can somebody help me? I want to know any details as: current and voltage levels, timing (frequency), etc. Many thanks. Pavel H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: CSimmune bugs
Garnet wrote: Did you see the report on EIS and beneficial organsims (probiotics) not dying in an In Vitro study. It was posted to both lists I think. I am unaware of this. In tests that I had run by UT, none of the bacteria we tested were immune, and some were considered good bacteria. And someone mentioned that bacteria that grow in high silver content soils are immune. Would be great to study these and work out the mechanism of resistance. It is already known. I don't remember what it was, but any article I have read on them has indicated how they block the silver. Plants that grow around salt water adapt to the high salt content so it could be some kind of reverse transport mechanism in the bacteria, that pumps it back out, like the plants that grow in high salt areas? If I remember right it was either a blocking mechanism, or a reverse transport. You should be able to find something with a little searching the net. Marshall Garnet On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 19:48, James Holmes wrote: Hi Terry, Except for a few bacteria that are not hurt by silver... What bacteria are those? JOH -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
Here ya go Marshall... -Forwarded Message- From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700 Greetings, everyone: Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the selective inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis Bio Pharma out of India in March. ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium longum, and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus. ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the above. Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus. Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, and Bifidobacterium longum. These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be confirmed by other parties capable of doing so. Best Regards, Jason --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/07/2004 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/OnSolB/TM -~- --- Our website address: http://www.silvermedicine.org Posting Rules: * No political posts, even health related, are permitted that are not directly related to another list members personal request or health condition. * No off-topic posting is permitted * All posts should contain language that is respectful toward other people. * Other health related information may be shared, provided that the information directly deals with another list member's health and well being. * No products or promotional material may be submitted as a part of messages. * Tag lines, within reason, are permitted at the end of email messages. * Violation of the above policy may result in immediate removal from the silvermedicine.org list without warning. No medical advice of any kind is given through this forum, and therefore no information shared is to be construed as such. Messages and materials shared are offered as personal experience, research, and discussion information for research purposes. As always, a licensed health-care professional should be consulted in all matters of illness and health. The FDA has listed all colloidal silver products as unclassified drugs. The FDA has no information on the safety or effectiveness of colloidal silver to treat any condition. To view the archives and membership area, goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/To contact the moderator privately send an email to: silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: silverdatawebsite-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCDC paper on silver toxcitiy
Here is the CDC paper on silver toxcidity: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp146.pdf Please note that all toxic reports for silver in this are based on silver nitrate or other silver compounds, not colloidal silver or EIS. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCDC paper on silver toxcitiy
This paper has several interesting things in is. 1. Argyria is caused by the photoreduction of silver chloride in the skin as we thought. But then this reacts with sulfur in the tissues and produces black silver sulfide or an organic sulfur compound. This information is new to me, but it does make sense. Now, if the silver particles that are produced in this way become silver sulfide, why don't the silver particles of colloidal silver? This may explain the reason why colloidal silver seems to have an effective half life much less than the half life of silver in the body according to this paper. But it is hard to say, their silver is in the form of compounds, and the collidal part of silver is in the form of metal, at least initially. 2. Selenium can also combine with the silver. According to this paper it is important to have the proper amount of selenium. A diet which is deficient in selenium in conjunction with a high silver intake can lead to liver necrosis. A diet that is high in selenium and silver both can lead to a high silver deposition rate in the body. It appears that one should not only avoid a selenium deficiency, but also an excess of this mineral as well. Marshall Marshall Dudley wrote: Here is the CDC paper on silver toxcidity: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp146.pdf Please note that all toxic reports for silver in this are based on silver nitrate or other silver compounds, not colloidal silver or EIS. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver mirroring within a ceramic water filter
Here is some good information on the decomposition temperature of silver compounds: silver nitrate 440 C silver oxide 230 C silver peroxide 100 C silver sulfide 810 C silver chloride 455 C It seems to me that if you were to saturate the clay with one of these, then fire it above the temperature for decomposition, then it will reduce to silver metal without any developer or anything. Of course the only compound in the above list that has much solubility at all is silver nitrate. Might be worth exploring. Marshall Reid Harvey wrote: Friends, I sent this message several days ago but am imagining it may not have been delivered... I've recently come across some info on a way of treating a ceramic water filter with silver nitrate, then reducing to silver metal, similar to what's done with mirroring. But I'm hoping some of our worthy members here may be able to fill me in the information I lack on reagents, amounts and procedures. Please. I recently came across a 1972, Indian purblication with partial explanation of the use of 'an ammoniacal solution of silver nitrate reduced with acetaldehyde,' then kiln firing in reduced oxygen, to achieve a silver ceramic bond. We are quite familiar with this last step in kiln firing, and now we have the acetaldehyde in hand. But how to combine these materials and process is what we are not sure of. Can anybody give some ideas for a starting point in our adopting this methodology? Thanks, Reid http://www.purifier.com.np
CSThe Hanna PWT meter, conductivity vs. ppm values
Hi Pavel, It turns out the PWT does double purpose. It measures uS of the water and in my opinion measurements to a tenth of a microsiemen are plenty good. After all, this isn't rocket science. It then measures the ionic portion of the mix after the silver is put into the water. It does not measure the metallic (colloidal) portion. We then use a correction factor to estimate the total amount of silver. This is the best low cost instrument for our purpose. And yes, it will probably read differently in different solutions but that will not make any difference if you know the correction factor to use. We know the typical correction factor for silver is to add 10-20% to the reading. You would have to send samples of whatever else you wanted to establish a correction factor for to a laboratory for analysis. You would then have the ability to determine that particular correction factor. We did it for silver at 2 different labs using atomic absorption spectophotometry and accept the results. Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Pavel Hochmut ho...@cbox.cz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:30 AM Subject: [silver_list] CSThe Hanna PWT meter, conductivity vs. ppm values Hi, I have looked for what the PWT means on the Hanna www.pages. Both devices mentioned below are from Hanna and are designated for measuring the conductivity. Both of them can ONLY measure the conductivity as every other ordinary conductometer does. There is nothing more. The PWT only means Purity Water Tester and determinates the device rank of accuracy in the spread of Hanna products. Nothing more. Now I understand the words I have never seen the PWT meter showing more than one decimal place (from Trem)... it´s correct, because it is it´s main feature - the range of the Hannah HI98308 PWT meter is 99,9 - 0,1 micsoSiemens with the 0,1 microSiemens resolution. If you look on the Hanna pages more carefuly, you can also find the HI98309 UPW meter (the UPW means Ultra Pure Water tester) with the range 1,000 - 0,020 microSiemens with the resolution of 0,001 microsiemens. So: who has the HI 98309 UPW model, he can measure the conductivity more precisely having dvo decimal places more than with the PWT model. But the UPW model is approx. 3 times more expensive than the PWT one. So, one who says: I have measured my DW and it has 2,9 PWT tells it wrong. Correctly should be said: 2,9 microSiemens (...measured with Hanna PWT meter). You can also see simple conductivity/resistance conversion charts on the Hanna site as I already wrote about. This reminds me that I saw posted some relation between the conductance and ppm values. That seem to me incredible, because the substance (dissolved or in the colloidal estate) may have different influence to conductance of the (say) batch. For instance let´s put into the 1 cubic cm (1 ccm) of DW 2,000.000 atoms of silver. And put to another 1 cubic cm of DW 2.000.000 atoms of Si (silicium). I bet my year´s income, that the resulting conductance measurements shall be absolutely different. I swear. Or can somebody mend my opinion? Where´s the mistake? Thanks Pavel H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: goverment and health
Their goals are: 1. Absolute knowledge of where everyone is and what they are doing. 2. Massive population reduction; we are using up their limited air supply. 3. Devolution; genetic replacement with a minion level awareness. 4. Creation of conflict, mostly through religion. This makes us do much of the work of #3 above and distracts from what the other hand is doing. The carnage generated helps create #5, below. 5. Generation of emotions of fear and despair; they feed on this, literally. 6. Carefully manipulated economic slavery; keep our nose to the grindstone so we can not pay attention to what is really happening and if we become aware, to have no time with which to take action. 7. More important than any other factor, to prevent us from knowing that we are immortal spirits with unlimited potential; as long as we fear death, they can manipulate us by offering more security in this one-time-around life. JOH -Original Message- From: William Meyer [mailto:calis...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 5:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: goverment and health let me mention some specifics. i cannot legally home test my saliva here in new york for hormone levels. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: goverment and health
Those interested my see my response on the silver OT list. JOH -Original Message- From: William Meyer [mailto:calis...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 5:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: goverment and health let me mention some specifics. i cannot legally home test my saliva here in new york for hormone levels. i tried sending my samples through a third party (a friend), but i am still being locked out currently. this is against my health and freedom. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: CSWhitening Teeth
Bearing in mind that Hulda Clark recommends not letting it contact metal fillings. Rowena Dilute hydrogen peroxide will whiten teeth. Find a better source that me for the details, but I think 1.5% is recommended. But. It will not whiten any restorations---they have been tinted to match your existing colors. So, you may whiten your real teeth, only to have your fake ones stand out as discolored. JOH Does anyone have a recipe for making teeth whiter. Mine are a bit yellow and a bit more grey, and I have some white fillings in the front. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
My initial un-thought-out response was; India...what are they trying to sell... Putting that aside, I think there was some flaw. No other tests have found this to be true. The only reference I can come up with is the comments of Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon. He said, We have not found a bacteria that it does not kill. It is an assumption on my part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Here ya go Marshall... -Forwarded Message- From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700 Greetings, everyone: Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the selective inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis Bio Pharma out of India in March. ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium longum, and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus. ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the above. Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus. Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, and Bifidobacterium longum. These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be confirmed by other parties capable of doing so. Best Regards, Jason --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/07/2004 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/OnSolB/TM -~- --- Our website address: http://www.silvermedicine.org Posting Rules: * No political posts, even health related, are permitted that are not directly related to another list members personal request or health condition. * No off-topic posting is permitted * All posts should contain language that is respectful toward other people. * Other health related information may be shared, provided that the information directly deals with another list member's health and well being. * No products or promotional material may be submitted as a part of messages. * Tag lines, within reason, are permitted at the end of email messages. * Violation of the above policy may result in immediate removal from the silvermedicine.org list without warning. No medical advice of any kind is given through this forum, and therefore no information shared is to be construed as such. Messages and materials shared are offered as personal experience, research, and discussion information for research purposes. As always, a licensed health-care professional should be consulted in all matters of illness and health. The FDA has listed all colloidal silver products as unclassified drugs. The FDA has no information on the safety or effectiveness of colloidal silver to treat any condition. To view the archives and membership area, goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/To contact the moderator privately send an email to: silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: silverdatawebsite-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRE: CSimmune bugs
Hello, Re: Did you see the report on EIS and beneficial organsims (probiotics) not dying in an In Vitro study. It was posted to both lists I think. No, I have not. Can anyone help me find that report. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRE: CSimmune bugs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
Well, I did my own accidental yogurt making tests here at home, and my results were the exact opposite. I cannot make yogurt with half and half that has CS added. And the amount of CS added was approx a tablespoon or two of 10 to 15 ppm CS to about a pint of half and half. While not controlled by any means, I have to say I trust my own accidental home test over the lab results posted, since the yogurt making bacteria are one of the ones reported to NOT be affected by CS. If those lab tests are indeed accurate and repeatable, half and half treated with CS should have yogged, and it didn't. Same starter used in un-CS treated ahlf and half did yog. My opinion remains CS does not distinguish between probiotic bacteria, L acidophilus, or any other bacteria. paula -Forwarded Message- From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700 Greetings, everyone: Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the selective inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis Bio Pharma out of India in March. ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium longum, and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus. ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the above. Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus. Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, and Bifidobacterium longum. These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be confirmed by other parties capable of doing so. Best Regards, Jason -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCDC paper on silver toxicity
Hello, Marshall, Thank you for the citation and URL to this CDC report. It contains much to think about, and is a great contribution. Best regards, Matthew
CSThe Hanna PWT meter, conductivity vs. ppm values
Hi Pavel, I forgot to mention the UPW meter only measures to 1.999 uS which is not adequate for measuring all distilled water since much of the available water is above 2.0 uS. And of course it wouldn't be able to measure CS at all. Not a good choice. It's for measuring the highest grade water such as that used in circuit board cleaning, etc. Trem - Original Message - From: Pavel Hochmut ho...@cbox.cz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:30 AM Subject: [silver_list] CSThe Hanna PWT meter, conductivity vs. ppm values If you look on the Hanna pages more carefuly, you can also find the HI98309 UPW meter (the UPW means Ultra Pure Water tester) with the range 1,000 - 0,020 microSiemens with the resolution of 0,001 microsiemens. So: who has the HI 98309 UPW model, he can measure the conductivity more precisely having dvo decimal places more than with the PWT model. But the UPW model is approx. 3 times more expensive than the PWT one. So, one who says: I have measured my DW and it has 2,9 PWT tells it wrong. Correctly should be said: 2,9 microSiemens (...measured with Hanna PWT meter). The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did the test purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics. Is there any information on how the test was run? I suspect that they used agar for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago confirm, CS will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that. Correct tests can ONLY be done in a thin broth. All our tests show 100% kill of all organisms in broth, and 0% kill of all organisms in gelled agar. Marshall James Holmes wrote: My initial un-thought-out response was; India...what are they trying to sell... Putting that aside, I think there was some flaw. No other tests have found this to be true. The only reference I can come up with is the comments of Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon. He said, We have not found a bacteria that it does not kill. It is an assumption on my part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Here ya go Marshall... -Forwarded Message- From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700 Greetings, everyone: Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the selective inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis Bio Pharma out of India in March. ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium longum, and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus. ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the above. Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus. Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, and Bifidobacterium longum. These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be confirmed by other parties capable of doing so. Best Regards, Jason --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/07/2004 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/OnSolB/TM -~- --- Our website address: http://www.silvermedicine.org Posting Rules: * No political posts, even health related, are permitted that are not directly related to another list members personal request or health condition. * No off-topic posting is permitted * All posts should contain language that is respectful toward other people. * Other health related information may be shared, provided that the information directly deals with another list member's health and well being. * No products or promotional material may be submitted as a part of messages. * Tag lines, within reason, are permitted at the end of email messages. * Violation of the above policy may result in immediate removal from the silvermedicine.org list without warning. No medical advice of any kind is given through this forum, and therefore no information shared is to be construed as such. Messages and materials shared are offered as personal experience, research, and discussion information for research purposes. As always, a licensed health-care professional should be consulted in all matters of illness and health. The FDA has listed all colloidal silver products as unclassified drugs. The FDA has no information on the safety or effectiveness of colloidal silver to treat any condition. To view the archives and membership area, goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/To contact the moderator privately send an email to: silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: silverdatawebsite-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive:
Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
Hi Marshal: Thanks for that. Upon referencing the orginal report: GYEA and TA were used - ( GYEA is a glucose/yeast agar ) - Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did the test purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics. Is there any information on how the test was run? I suspect that they used agar for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago confirm, CS will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that. Correct tests can ONLY be done in a thin broth. All our tests show 100% kill of all organisms in broth, and 0% kill of all organisms in gelled agar. Marshall James Holmes wrote: My initial un-thought-out response was; India...what are they trying to sell... Putting that aside, I think there was some flaw. No other tests have found this to be true. The only reference I can come up with is the comments of Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon. He said, We have not found a bacteria that it does not kill. It is an assumption on my part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Here ya go Marshall... -Forwarded Message- From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700 Greetings, everyone: Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the selective inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis Bio Pharma out of India in March. ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium longum, and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus. ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the above. Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus. Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, and Bifidobacterium longum. These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be confirmed by other parties capable of doing so. Best Regards, Jason --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/07/2004 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/OnSolB/TM -~- --- Our website address: http://www.silvermedicine.org Posting Rules: * No political posts, even health related, are permitted that are not directly related to another list members personal request or health condition. * No off-topic posting is permitted * All posts should contain language that is respectful toward other people. * Other health related information may be shared, provided that the information directly deals with another list member's health and well being. * No products or promotional material may be submitted as a part of messages. * Tag lines, within reason, are permitted at the end of email messages. * Violation of the above policy may result in immediate removal from the silvermedicine.org list without warning. No medical advice of any kind is given through this forum, and therefore no information shared is to be construed as such. Messages and materials shared are offered as personal experience, research, and discussion information for research purposes. As always, a licensed health-care professional should be consulted in all matters of illness and health. The FDA has listed all colloidal silver products as unclassified drugs. The FDA has no information on the safety or effectiveness of colloidal silver to treat any condition. To view the archives and membership area, goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/To contact the moderator privately send an email to: silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
Then the test was a waste of time and money. It is very well known by anyone who
has researched it at all, that CS is virtually totally ineffective in agar. It
has nothing to do with probiotics vs. non-probiotics. The only reason I can see
they would have done that test is to try and intentionally deceive those who may
not know this.
Marshall
Jason Eaton wrote:
Hi Marshal:
Thanks for that. Upon referencing the orginal report:
GYEA and TA were used - ( GYEA is a glucose/yeast agar )
- Jason
- Original Message -
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against
Probiotics...]
I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did the
test
purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics.
Is there any information on how the test was run? I suspect that they
used agar
for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago
confirm, CS
will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that.
Correct
tests can ONLY be done in a thin broth. All our tests show 100% kill of
all
organisms in broth, and 0% kill of all organisms in gelled agar.
Marshall
James Holmes wrote:
My initial un-thought-out response was;
India...what are they trying to sell...
Putting that aside, I think there was some flaw. No other tests have
found
this to be true. The only reference I can come up with is the comments
of
Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon. He said, We
have
not found a bacteria that it does not kill. It is an assumption on my
part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests.
JOH
-Original Message-
From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:43 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against
Probiotics...]
Here ya go Marshall...
-Forwarded Message-
From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com
To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700
Greetings, everyone:
Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the
selective
inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis
Bio
Pharma out of India in March.
ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium
longum,
and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus.
ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the
above.
Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus,
Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus.
Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium
bifidum,
and Bifidobacterium longum.
These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be
confirmed by other parties capable of doing so.
Best Regards,
Jason
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Re: CSThe Hanna PWT meter, conductivity vs. ppm values
O.K. Trem, Thank you. Pavel H. - Original Message - From: Trem t...@silvergen.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:04 PM Subject: CSThe Hanna PWT meter, conductivity vs. ppm values Hi Pavel, It turns out the PWT does double purpose. It measures uS of the water and in my opinion measurements to a tenth of a microsiemen are plenty good. After all, this isn't rocket science. It then measures the ionic portion of the mix after the silver is put into the water. It does not measure the metallic (colloidal) portion. We then use a correction factor to estimate the total amount of silver. This is the best low cost instrument for our purpose. And yes, it will probably read differently in different solutions but that will not make any difference if you know the correction factor to use. We know the typical correction factor for silver is to add 10-20% to the reading. You would have to send samples of whatever else you wanted to establish a correction factor for to a laboratory for analysis. You would then have the ability to determine that particular correction factor. We did it for silver at 2 different labs using atomic absorption spectophotometry and accept the results. Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: Pavel Hochmut ho...@cbox.cz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:30 AM Subject: [silver_list] CSThe Hanna PWT meter, conductivity vs. ppm values Hi, I have looked for what the PWT means on the Hanna www.pages. Both devices mentioned below are from Hanna and are designated for measuring the conductivity. Both of them can ONLY measure the conductivity as every other ordinary conductometer does. There is nothing more. The PWT only means Purity Water Tester and determinates the device rank of accuracy in the spread of Hanna products. Nothing more. Now I understand the words I have never seen the PWT meter showing more than one decimal place (from Trem)... it´s correct, because it is it´s main feature - the range of the Hannah HI98308 PWT meter is 99,9 - 0,1 micsoSiemens with the 0,1 microSiemens resolution. If you look on the Hanna pages more carefuly, you can also find the HI98309 UPW meter (the UPW means Ultra Pure Water tester) with the range 1,000 - 0,020 microSiemens with the resolution of 0,001 microsiemens. So: who has the HI 98309 UPW model, he can measure the conductivity more precisely having dvo decimal places more than with the PWT model. But the UPW model is approx. 3 times more expensive than the PWT one. So, one who says: I have measured my DW and it has 2,9 PWT tells it wrong. Correctly should be said: 2,9 microSiemens (...measured with Hanna PWT meter). You can also see simple conductivity/resistance conversion charts on the Hanna site as I already wrote about. This reminds me that I saw posted some relation between the conductance and ppm values. That seem to me incredible, because the substance (dissolved or in the colloidal estate) may have different influence to conductance of the (say) batch. For instance let´s put into the 1 cubic cm (1 ccm) of DW 2,000.000 atoms of silver. And put to another 1 cubic cm of DW 2.000.000 atoms of Si (silicium). I bet my year´s income, that the resulting conductance measurements shall be absolutely different. I swear. Or can somebody mend my opinion? Where´s the mistake? Thanks Pavel H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
Hi Marshal: Not necessarily. Natural-Immunogenics also uses Agar as the medium which they run all of their anti-microbial tests. Sovereign Silver and Argentyn 23 doesn't have one bit of a problem with the medium; the same can be said for Trem's Silvergen silver, 'ole Bob's as well. Hard to say ASAP has always tested out as a mediocre silver product in the direct time-kill study comparisons I'm aware of. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Then the test was a waste of time and money. It is very well known by anyone who has researched it at all, that CS is virtually totally ineffective in agar. It has nothing to do with probiotics vs. non-probiotics. The only reason I can see they would have done that test is to try and intentionally deceive those who may not know this. Marshall Jason Eaton wrote: Hi Marshal: Thanks for that. Upon referencing the orginal report: GYEA and TA were used - ( GYEA is a glucose/yeast agar ) - Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did the test purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics. Is there any information on how the test was run? I suspect that they used agar for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago confirm, CS will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that. Correct tests can ONLY be done in a thin broth. All our tests show 100% kill of all organisms in broth, and 0% kill of all organisms in gelled agar. Marshall James Holmes wrote: My initial un-thought-out response was; India...what are they trying to sell... Putting that aside, I think there was some flaw. No other tests have found this to be true. The only reference I can come up with is the comments of Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon. He said, We have not found a bacteria that it does not kill. It is an assumption on my part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Here ya go Marshall... -Forwarded Message- From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700 Greetings, everyone: Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the selective inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis Bio Pharma out of India in March. ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium longum, and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus. ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the above. Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus. Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, and Bifidobacterium longum. These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be confirmed by other parties capable of doing so. Best Regards, Jason --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/07/2004 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/OnSolB/TM -~- --- Our website address: http://www.silvermedicine.org Posting Rules: * No political posts, even health related, are permitted that are not directly related to another list members personal request or health condition. * No off-topic posting is permitted * All posts should contain language that is
Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
Agar will work if it is kept in a liquid state, or if the test is on the surface. But if it is like gelled jello, and the test is for inside of the agar, our tests always showed CS was ineffective, just like in the intestines. Marshall Jason Eaton wrote: Hi Marshal: Not necessarily. Natural-Immunogenics also uses Agar as the medium which they run all of their anti-microbial tests. Sovereign Silver and Argentyn 23 doesn't have one bit of a problem with the medium; the same can be said for Trem's Silvergen silver, 'ole Bob's as well. Hard to say ASAP has always tested out as a mediocre silver product in the direct time-kill study comparisons I'm aware of. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Then the test was a waste of time and money. It is very well known by anyone who has researched it at all, that CS is virtually totally ineffective in agar. It has nothing to do with probiotics vs. non-probiotics. The only reason I can see they would have done that test is to try and intentionally deceive those who may not know this. Marshall Jason Eaton wrote: Hi Marshal: Thanks for that. Upon referencing the orginal report: GYEA and TA were used - ( GYEA is a glucose/yeast agar ) - Jason - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did the test purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics. Is there any information on how the test was run? I suspect that they used agar for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago confirm, CS will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that. Correct tests can ONLY be done in a thin broth. All our tests show 100% kill of all organisms in broth, and 0% kill of all organisms in gelled agar. Marshall James Holmes wrote: My initial un-thought-out response was; India...what are they trying to sell... Putting that aside, I think there was some flaw. No other tests have found this to be true. The only reference I can come up with is the comments of Dr. Bart A. Flick, the principal inventor of Silverlon. He said, We have not found a bacteria that it does not kill. It is an assumption on my part that the gut bacteria in this story were included in the tests. JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Here ya go Marshall... -Forwarded Message- From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700 Greetings, everyone: Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the selective inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis Bio Pharma out of India in March. ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium longum, and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus. ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the above. Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus. Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, and Bifidobacterium longum. These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be confirmed by other parties capable of doing so. Best Regards, Jason --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 03/07/2004 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/OnSolB/TM -~-
RE: CSSilver in Powder Coat Paints
Has anyone tried using silver to prevent rust? Thora mailto:mugg...@rockies.net -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSlung congestion
I ran across a couple articles that talked about vitamin A preventing emphesema. There is one listed below. I do not have the link to the other one, but it was stronger in it's conviction that vitamin A acts as a preventer. If you are concerned about taking a supplement, then just find food that is high in it and add it to your diet. They did not speak about amounts in either article. Vitamin may cure smoking disease http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3329103.stm Thora mailto:mugg...@rockies.net -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 1:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CSlung congestion Hi Dan, I'm sure we're agreed that Emphysema has resulted in a permanent loss of a portion of the lungs; however, by proper exercising (walking as fast as possible, while swinging arms--increasing walking time distance gradually); deep regular inhalation of CS/H2O2/MSM/DMSO in your nebulizer for several minutes 3 or 4 times a day; getting on Dr. Mercola's No-Grain Diet; drinking lots of water daily including CS + Gatorade; NO smoking or alcoholic beverages or Diet Drinks. These things CAN help increase breathing functions comfort, but only the portion of the lungs NOT affected by Emphysema. If I can be of help, please see www.rharrisinc.com Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS batches with AC
Thank you very much for your comprehensive reply, Marshall. Regards Pavel H. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:18 PM Subject: Re: CSCS batches with AC Pavel Hochmut wrote: Hi Marshall, As I see, you use the contact resistance i.e. silver electrode surface part that becomes into a contact with water (immersed part) to be a part of the current regulation system: the longer part of silver electrode immersed = the lower resistance of the batch ( = the higher conductance of the batch) which results in higher current flow across the batch. Some of it might be considered contact resistance, but most of it is the bulk resistance of the water in the small area around the exposed tip of the electrode. The current must be much smaller than 100mA in your case I suppose. Otherwise, you just heat the DW with 10,000*0.1=1,000 Watts of power drain. I think that current shall rather vary with the raising conductance of the batch, even the contact resistance works here like current stabilizing element. No it is fully instrumented, both the voltage and the current. I use a 3 ton water refrigeration unit to cool the water to 33 F before it goes into the chamber, and also cool the chamber. The water leaves the chamber at about 110 to 120 F. 3 1/2 gallons an hour is pumped through the chamber. The principle to regulate the current by simple resistor is often used to stabilize the current if you have higher voltage than you need as outgoing. The current is regulated by the exposed amount of the electrodes. Dropping the voltage via external resistance would not work, then the voltage across the chamber would be lower, and this would produce inferior product. BUT: the question is very complicated because the batch together with the electrode(s) are used as current regulating resistor in this case. I consider this to be rather unfortunate solution... Why is it unfortunate? The electrodes are on insulated hand screws, and as the voltage climbs, I simply turn the screws to expose more silver and restore the steady state operating conditions. Even simple voltage measurements are rather mystification in this case due to the stabilizing resistor being a part of the electrode(s) and the batch. What kind of device are using - a simple high voltage transformer or what? I have multiple 15 KV neon sign transaformers hooked up in parallel. Although they are marked as 15 KV, their full load operating voltage is around 10 KV. Marshall Many thanks Pavel H. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:42 PM Subject: Re: CSCS batches with AC Of course some of us use AC for making CS. I use 100 mA at 10,000 volts and 60 hz. The 14 gauge silver wire is inserted into glass tubes, and only about 1/10 of an inch is exposed to maintain the voltage. The tips are submerged into the water, and a pump continually circulates new distilled water into the chamber and the CS out. Marshall Pavel Hochmut wrote: Hi, I do not believe that there is nobody having experience with using alternate current to make CS. Can somebody help me? I want to know any details as: current and voltage levels, timing (frequency), etc. Many thanks. Pavel H. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe Hanna PWT meter, conductivity vs. ppm values
Hi Trem, You´re right, I just was arranging all the information about the PWT, so the conductance measurements and units arised in my mind to be mentioned properly. So I did it. I just noted that the PWT instead microSiemens has been frequently used as if it is the same. Pavel H. Hi Pavel, I forgot to mention the UPW meter only measures to 1.999 uS which is not adequate for measuring all distilled water since much of the available water is above 2.0 uS. And of course it wouldn't be able to measure CS at all. Not a good choice. It's for measuring the highest grade water such as that used in circuit board cleaning, etc. Trem - Original Message - From: Pavel Hochmut ho...@cbox.cz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:30 AM Subject: [silver_list] CSThe Hanna PWT meter, conductivity vs. ppm values If you look on the Hanna pages more carefuly, you can also find the HI98309 UPW meter (the UPW means Ultra Pure Water tester) with the range 1,000 - 0,020 microSiemens with the resolution of 0,001 microsiemens. So: who has the HI 98309 UPW model, he can measure the conductivity more precisely having dvo decimal places more than with the PWT model. But the UPW model is approx. 3 times more expensive than the PWT one. So, one who says: I have measured my DW and it has 2,9 PWT tells it wrong. Correctly should be said: 2,9 microSiemens (...measured with Hanna PWT meter). The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver in Powder Coat Paints
They used to use rhodium plating to prevent tarnishing one silver platters, etc. 'Twas pricey on bigger items. Christine. From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:42:57 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSilver in Powder Coat Paints Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:49:48 -0700 Many iron items use to be silver plated and they did not rust. Marshall Thora Rasmussen wrote: Has anyone tried using silver to prevent rust? Thora -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRE: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
Yes, Marshall, there is a high probability of that. I tend to assume that every lab knows that by now. You have very probably hit the nail on the head. JOH -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:57 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] I suspect they had no idea what they were doing in the test, or did the test purposefully to try and make it look like CS does not kill probiotics. Is there any information on how the test was run? I suspect that they used agar for the test, and as we all know, and my own tests several years ago confirm, CS will not inhibit growth of ANYTHING when it is immobilized like that. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRE: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...]
Well done! Garage science wins again. JOH -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:21 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS[Fwd: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics...] Well, I did my own accidental yogurt making tests here at home, and my results were the exact opposite. I cannot make yogurt with half and half that has CS added. And the amount of CS added was approx a tablespoon or two of 10 to 15 ppm CS to about a pint of half and half. While not controlled by any means, I have to say I trust my own accidental home test over the lab results posted, since the yogurt making bacteria are one of the ones reported to NOT be affected by CS. If those lab tests are indeed accurate and repeatable, half and half treated with CS should have yogged, and it didn't. Same starter used in un-CS treated ahlf and half did yog. My opinion remains CS does not distinguish between probiotic bacteria, L acidophilus, or any other bacteria. paula -Forwarded Message- From: Jason / AVRA silverdatawebs...@hotmail.com To: silverdatawebs...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ silvermedicine.org ] ASAP Tested against Probiotics... Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0700 Greetings, everyone: Bob Manfull was kind enough to forward me a copy demonstrating the selective inaction of ASAP on Probiotics. Laboratory testing was done by Viridis Bio Pharma out of India in March. ASAP was tested against Lactobacillus acidophillus, Bifidobacterium longum, and two probiotic products: Lactisyn and Kyo-Dophilus. ASAP at 10 PPM and at 22 PPM did not inhibit the growth of any of the above. Lactisyn contains Lactobacillus lactis, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Streptococcus lactis, and Streptococcus thermophilus. Kyo-Dophilus contains Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium bifidum, and Bifidobacterium longum. These test results present a million unanswered questions, and should be confirmed by other parties capable of doing so. Best Regards, Jason -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS³What the #$BLEEP*! Do We Know!?²
Hi Guys, Thought you might find the following link interesting... http://whatthebleep.com The concepts help in my work which goes beyond what is conventionally measurable. It will help in realizing the CS will work in other fields also. Intention is a 'biggie.' Christine thebodytalkcli...@telus.net From: Thora Rasmussen mugg...@rockies.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:15:46 -0600 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSlung congestion Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:13:46 -0700 I ran across a couple articles that talked about vitamin A preventing emphesema. There is one listed below. I do not have the link to the other one, but it was stronger in it's conviction that vitamin A acts as a preventer. If you are concerned about taking a supplement, then just find food that is high in it and add it to your diet. They did not speak about amounts in either article. Vitamin may cure smoking disease http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3329103.stm Thora mailto:mugg...@rockies.net -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 1:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CSlung congestion Hi Dan, I'm sure we're agreed that Emphysema has resulted in a permanent loss of a portion of the lungs; however, by proper exercising (walking as fast as possible, while swinging arms--increasing walking time distance gradually); deep regular inhalation of CS/H2O2/MSM/DMSO in your nebulizer for several minutes 3 or 4 times a day; getting on Dr. Mercola's No-Grain Diet; drinking lots of water daily including CS + Gatorade; NO smoking or alcoholic beverages or Diet Drinks. These things CAN help increase breathing functions comfort, but only the portion of the lungs NOT affected by Emphysema. If I can be of help, please see www.rharrisinc.com Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSThe Foolish Experiment
Some years ago someone posted a very interesting and humorous account of he and his buddies having a few drinks, then deciding to try an ill-advised experiment by eating some very spoiled food - meat I think. They got quite ill, then drank some CS (or EIS for you purists) and quickly recovered. If someone has that account, I and probably most of the rest of the list would appreciate seeing it reposted. Thanks, --Steve Y. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCDC report
Marshall said: (In response to the CDC report) A diet which is deficient in selenium in conjunction with a high silver intake can lead to liver necrosis. Not necessarily. The CDC report suggests that a diet which is deficient in selenium in conjunction with a high SILVER COMPOUND intake can lead to liver necrosis. A diet that is high in selenium and silver both can lead to a high silver deposition rate in the body. Again, the conclusions based upon the relationship and interaction of SILVER COMPOUNDS should not be applied to EIS. There is actually no basis for suspecting EIS particles of acting/interacting as do silver compound particles, either by themselves or in conjunction with other minerals/substances. Something that already has a reputation for toxic or negative affects on the human body (such as silver nitrate) should not be used as any basis for deducing the effects of EIS. Nothing in the CDC report has any bearing or relevancy to the use or affects of EIS on the human body. They are simply not the same item. Terry __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe Foolish Experiment
Hiya Steve: That's from Bob Lee... Here's his account, with the names and locations removed ( sorry about the name's removed, I use this on our testimonials section ): Greeting Glorious Ones of CS, A Test: Do not do this at home. A few military friends of mine got together last week for the usual yak-yak about military things. The talk came around to the anthrax shots. I opened my mouth and said they wouldn`t need them if all the military were taking colloidal silver. A long discussion then went on, at the end we had decided to set up a real he-man, macho, walk the walk test. Cold brew will do things to normally intelligent people. This was not a smart thing to do, but please consider who our small group is. One was me, [ name removed ], ex-seal from Nam, One ex-Army Ranger, [ name removed ], from Desert Storm, and one ex 82nd Air Borne from Bosnia, [ name removed ], (paratrooper). I`m the oldest, they are young guys. The test was to eat rotten meat and see if the colloidal silver would prevent problems. We agreed that if anyone became ill we would wait for at least a 103 F degree fever before taking colloidal silver. If it (the CS) did not work we would go to the ER at a fever of 105 degrees F. The ER was only a few blocks away at [ name removed ] Hospital. Then we decided that one, [ Observer ], would be the observer, and the other two would eat the rotten meat. Then we decided that one meat would be treated with colloidal silver and one not. OK, so here we go to [ name removed ]'s house and get the rotten meat he was going to throw out, it smelled very bad and strong. [ Name Removed ] is baching, so whats new. We made two patties of about 1/4 lb each, hamburger size. One was put in a bowl and CS poured over it and kneeded well in the CS and made into a patty again. The other one was untreated. We drew straws to see who got each patty. I got the CS one and [ Victim ] got the untreated one. We ate them, with a little beer to blunt the taste of them. Really macho. :-) Then we waited. After half an hour [ Victim ] developed a stomach ache, which proceeded to get worse. He had classical symptoms of food poisoning (botulism). I did not develop any symptoms at all. His temperature began to rise so we decided to use the CS right away at about 101.5 F. [ Victim ] took four tablespoons of CS every 15 minutes for 90 minutes (1 1/2 hrs). Temperature held steady then began dropping; took CS at four tablespoons every 30 minutes, and by the end of four hours he was feeling normal again. Continued CS at four tablespoons once an hour until the end of six hours just to make sure the botulism was gone. That was Saturday, now its Monday and still OK. The colloidal silver was 9ppm, active. So what does it prove (besides our dumb idea)? Well, the colloidal silver treated meat was rendered safe. This showed that CS can treat rotten food in an emergency if need be with CS. It proved to us it would stop botulism. I usually take CS before eating out anyway. It proved we shouldn`t drink so much at one time. Now [ names removed ] are using colloidal silver. :-) Now I feel better about them and their health. Bless you [ Name Removed ] - Original Message - From: S J Young you...@konnections.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:02 PM Subject: CSThe Foolish Experiment Some years ago someone posted a very interesting and humorous account of he and his buddies having a few drinks, then deciding to try an ill-advised experiment by eating some very spoiled food - meat I think. They got quite ill, then drank some CS (or EIS for you purists) and quickly recovered. If someone has that account, I and probably most of the rest of the list would appreciate seeing it reposted. Thanks, --Steve Y. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 04/21/2004
