date:20100221

Just take zinc too or the balance will get out of 
kilter and deplete your zinc , and make sure your 
iron levels are okay. Too much copper without Iron 
can deplete iron. And big doses or B12 can do the 
same. A good rule of thumb is approx 2 mg copper 
to 50 mg zinc.



Annie.
Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Leslie wrote:
Hi, When I saw Hair Loss I wanted to mention that Utopia is advertising 
an elec. cs generator that makes copper also. I asked just what was 
copper for and I was told it was for hair loss and energy. I would like 
to know if any have any comments on copper. Thanks, Leslie



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Re: CSHair Loss - link here

2010-02-21 Thread scl555

My wife and I have also found low level laser therapy works well. Some folks on 
the silver list have also used red LED lights for hair growth. I designed my 
own laser unit and find it penetrates a little better than LEDs. Both will work 
though.

http://www.freewebs.com/stevelevine/lasertherapypen.htm works well for pain 
relief too

Steve
 Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com wrote: 

=
Just take zinc too or the balance will get out of 
kilter and deplete your zinc , and make sure your 
iron levels are okay. Too much copper without Iron 
can deplete iron. And big doses or B12 can do the 
same. A good rule of thumb is approx 2 mg copper 
to 50 mg zinc.


Annie.
Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Leslie wrote:
 Hi, When I saw Hair Loss I wanted to mention that Utopia is advertising 
 an elec. cs generator that makes copper also. I asked just what was 
 copper for and I was told it was for hair loss and energy. I would like 
 to know if any have any comments on copper. Thanks, Leslie


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Re: CS Use of copper---

2010-02-21 Thread Leslie

No, not together; they have the copper sticks as well as the Silver ones and a 
voltage meter which I don't know why we need one of those. Lee
  - Original Message - 
  From: zzekel...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 4:08 PM
  Subject: Re: CS Use of copper---

  In a message dated 2/21/2010 5:05:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
leslie1...@windstream.net writes:
Hi, When I saw Hair Loss I wanted to mention that Utopia is advertising an 
elec. cs generator that makes copper also. I asked just what was copper for 
and I was told it was for hair loss and energy. I would like to know if any 
have any comments on copper. Thanks, Leslie

  I haven't read about copper use yet either... Is it used in combination with 
CS (EIS)  ?   Lois

RE: CSConfusion Making CS


OK Shannah, no worries.
 
I use a 1 hour timer and set it at each 30 minutes to clean the electrodes...if 
they need it or not.
 
I have my electrodes fixed to a plastic box at 1 1/2 inch spacing between the 
two.
 
Colour?...Well, there'll be no shortage of opinions on THAT one g.  
Personally...I don't care if it's clear with a 'sheen' to the water, to lemon 
yellow or right thru to rich golden in colour...as long as that colour is PURE 
then I'm satisfied, I just reduce the daily intake according to colour.  I must 
add though that I mostly produce a clear product, VERY occasionally I'll get 
some colour in a batch...Why? Who knows, it could be any number of things.
 
Particle size?...Well, there'll be no shortage of opinions on that one too g. 
 Personally again, if I don't see any mud, or if gravity doesn't pull the 
silver out of solution leaving 'gravel' in the bottom of my storage vessels 
after days/weeks or months in storage...then the particle size is fine.
 
This is an 'art' not a 'science' for the home producer, no high tech machinery 
and no laboratory controlled environments are involved in the kitchen.
 
I'm not too sure about that 'cloudiness' you speak of though?  Not too sure 
about that volume using a battery unit either?
 
Sounds like you got the bubbler sorted out.  I use a magnetic stirrer, they're 
easy to make, all you need is an old computer, a screwdriver, and a soldering 
iron...and a box of some sort to put it together of course g.
 
N.








Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:00:47 -0800
From: brfifi...@rogers.com
Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS
To: silver-list@eskimo.com








Hi Neville,
 
Yes I do wipe the electrodes clean regularly whenever I see a build up on them. 
The only exceptions were the two batches I left overnight.  Maybe that had an 
influence.
 
I've made about 20 or 24 batches approximately 1 litre size now and each one 
seems different. I guess I was looking for consistency here but maybe that's 
not possible.  Mostly they turn out varying shades of pale to medium yellow, 
clear, between 15 and 20 ppm as measured on the TDS meter and take over 10 
hours to be ready. Maybe I should be happy with that. 
 
The ones that take a short brewing time or turn out very yellow worry me a 
little as I understand that can indicate a larger particle size.  The batch 
that was cloudy grey took me by complete surprise but it has since turned 
yellow and mostly clear. 
 
As long as it's all safe to drink - that's the most important thing.  





From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 3:49:32 AM
Subject: RE: CSConfusion Making CS



Shannah,

I don't believe I read if you remove your electrodes from the water to wipe 
them clean at regular intervals...do you do this?
 
N.
 












Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:37:06 -0800
From: brfifi...@rogers.com
Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS
To: silver-list@eskimo.com










Thanks for your thoughts Dan. I've just checked that batch and it's now turning 
pale yellow and the cloudiness has mostly lifted - just a slight bit left. 
 
I've got a lot to learn. 





From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 4:23:28 PM
Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS

The only way I can see increasing the distance between electrodes as
causing a decrease in the brewing time, is if there is less of a
deposit on the widely spaced electrodes.  This would mean that more
silver stayed in solution, and did not get sucked up by the
electrode...

As far as the grey color, this may be from some finger contamination
or difference in the water.  Any contamination, albeit minuscule, will
cause the process to work faster.  Maybe the water temperature was
slightly different.  I wouldn't worry about it too much.

This is just one batch.  Try it again.

Dan


On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 11:08 AM, brf brfifi...@rogers.com wrote:
 I'm confused here and looking for some elementary help or direction as to
 where I might find help.

 I've been making CS for a very short time - using a homemade device -
 basically 14 gauge  hooked up to 3  9 volt batteries and 1 inch apart.
 Usually a litre (roughly equivalent to a quart) takes several hours,
 probably around 12 or so hours to make and comes out pale to medium
 yellow between 15 to 20 ppm as measured on a TDS meter.

 I realize a lot of factors can influence the making process. Last night I
 tried several different experiments using various set ups. One was spacing
 the wires 1 1/2 inches apart. I noticed this seemed to accelerate the
 process a little and when I got up this morning after 9 hours 'brewing',
 this particular batch was grey and very cloudy reading at 15 ppm. I
 thought it was no good but as the morning has worn on  the cloudiness is
 clearing and it has no colour at all and still reading at 15 ppm.

 Several questions. Is this alright to drink? I understand clear CS is
 supposed to be superior to

Re: CSConfusion Making CS

2010-02-21 Thread brf

Looks like I'm going to have to re-evaluate what I'm doing.
Thanks for your thoughts  link. I'll try to digest the information.
By the way, the distilled water when starting measures at 000.

From: Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 5:01:17 PM
Subject: CSConfusion Making CS

1. 12 hours in a litre is way too long for a simple 27v battery system that has 
no way of limiting the current.  You've made very strong stuff but I wouldnt 
drink too much of it for too long or it will turn you grey. (Good for topical 
use though). Probably an hour is about all it needs. You should be switching it 
off as soon as it turns the slightest, almost imperceptible, silver/grey color.

2. If you put that batch aside you'll probably see most of the silver lying on 
the bottom in a day or two.

3. Meters only read the dissolved ionic component. Ionic content usually maxes 
out at around 20ppm. After that, you could run the generator all week but you 
wont see the meter reading go up. In fact it can actually appear to go down. 
But your real total ppm could be 1000 ppm or more because you have silver 
locked up in the particles that are turning the water various colors. Meters 
are a rough guide at the best of times and virtually useless once the water 
becomes colored.  I've tried to explain meters 
here...http://www.silverwell.com.au/TDS-Meter.html

4. If you are using a meter to measure ionic ppm you have to times it by 2 to 
2.5 times.

5. If the water goes white/grey its probably impure. Greyness indicates some 
salt in the water (although your meter should be showing that anywway).  Whats 
the ppm of the water?

6. Spacing the electrodes slows down the process but thats a good thing. As is 
stirring. Otherwise all you do is create an ionic traffic jam between the 
electrodes where large undesirable particles will be created.

David

On 22/02/2010, at 8:10 AM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:

 On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 11:08 AM, brf brfifi...@rogers.com wrote:
  I'm confused here and looking for some elementary help or direction as to
  where I might find help.

  I've been making CS for a very short time - using a homemade device -
  basically 14 gauge  hooked up to 3  9 volt batteries and 1 inch apart.
  Usually a litre (roughly equivalent to a quart) takes several hours,
  probably around 12 or so hours to make and comes out pale to medium
  yellow between 15 to 20 ppm as measured on a TDS meter.

  I realize a lot of factors can influence the making process. Last night I
  tried several different experiments using various set ups. One was spacing
  the wires 1 1/2 inches apart. I noticed this seemed to accelerate the
  process a little and when I got up this morning after 9 hours 'brewing',
  this particular batch was grey and very cloudy reading at 15 ppm. I
  thought it was no good but as the morning has worn on  the cloudiness is
  clearing and it has no colour at all and still reading at 15 ppm.

  Several questions. Is this alright to drink? I understand clear CS is
  supposed to be superior to yellow but also that a long slow process time is
  supposed to produce better quality. This batch took less time than
  normal. Is this garbage or have I accidentally stumbled onto a better
  process do you think?

  Also is it usual that spacing your silver wire further apart speeds up the
  process?

  I know there are a lot of experienced minds here and much of the information
  is beyond me at this point but I'm trying to grasp as much as possible right
  now. Appreciate any help you can offer.

  Thanks
  Shannah

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Re: CS Use of copper---

Ode, does this mean if I put copper wire in the Silver Puppy it will make
colloidal copper?  

Samala,
Renee 

---Original Message---
 

 
No, not together; they have the copper sticks as well as the Silver ones and a 
voltage meter which I don't know why we need one of those. Lee

CSkidney stone

2010-02-21 Thread Leslie

I just talked to a friend in pain with a kidney stone and awhile back there was 
some mention of things to do for them. Does anyone remember?? Thanks, Leslie

Re: CSConfusion Making CS


At 04:14 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote:

Looks like I'm going to have to re-evaluate what I'm doing.
Thanks for your thoughts  link. I'll try to digest the information.
By the way, the distilled water when starting measures at 000.
Using a TDS meter the actual conductance of the distilled water could 
actually be quite a bit higher. Ode posted about that not too long 
ago. Might be worth an archive search...
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CSColloid Master??

2010-02-21 Thread Sara Mandal-Joy


The Colloid Master
Model 777™ AC


A friend has offered to purchase this for me.   I have a homemade kit, using
3 9 volt batteries.  I have no way to measure the levels, other than I 
have a
red light thingie that will show the tyndall effect.  I cook till I 
have a light
tyndall - usually about an hour for a quart of cs.   It is effective, 
has worked,
so I haven't tried to do anything fancier.   The above is on sale for 
139.  It
has a bunch of bells and whistles, none of which I really understand why 
they
would or wouldn't be good features.   It does take 8 hours or so to make 
a liter,
and that is using a fw ounces of the last batch to seed the distilled 
water.  Is

this a good generator?   Any comments about why so long?  Is it making the
good (meaning both effective and safe) stuff?   Thanks for any 
input.   Sara


 http://www.wishgranted.com/Colloidal_Silver_Maker_777_AC.html


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Re: CSConfusion Making CS

2010-02-21 Thread cking001

WOOHOO!!!
Our first check the archives.

Chuck
Mason-Dixon: Line that separates y'all from youse-guys.



On 2/21/2010 6:59:16 PM, sol (sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com) wrote:
 At 04:14 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote:
 Looks like I'm going to have to re-evaluate what I'm doing.
 Thanks for your thoughts  link. I'll try to digest the information.
 By the way, the distilled water when starting measures at 000.
 Using a TDS meter the actual conductance of the distilled water could
 actually be quite a bit higher. Ode posted about that not too long
 ago. Might be worth an archive search...
 sol


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Re: CSConfusion Making CS

2010-02-21 Thread Deborah Gerard

ding ding ding folks we have a winner 

From: cking...@nycap.rr.com cking...@nycap.rr.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 7:23:18 PM
Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS

WOOHOO!!!
Our first check the archives.

                        Chuck
Mason-Dixon: Line that separates y'all from youse-guys.

On 2/21/2010 6:59:16 PM, sol (sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com) wrote:
 At 04:14 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote:
 Looks like I'm going to have to re-evaluate what I'm doing.
 Thanks for your thoughts  link. I'll try to digest the information.
 By the way, the distilled water when starting measures at 000.
 Using a TDS meter the actual conductance of the distilled water could
 actually be quite a bit higher. Ode posted about that not too long
 ago. Might be worth an archive search...
 sol

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Re: CSConfusion Making CS


At 05:23 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote:

WOOHOO!!!
Our first check the archives.

Yes! I couldn't resist being the first to say it, LOL
sol 



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Re: CSBuffered MMS question for Tom

2010-02-21 Thread poast

Hello Renee,

100 pounds of sodium chlorite will keep you going for quite awhile.  However, 
there are thousands of uses for it, so it may not last as long as you think.

A comment on safety...  A 28% concentration sodium chlorite solution is 
dangerous to handle, and also has mailing restrictions.  You would be far 
better off, and much safer, and not in violation of most mailing codes offering 
a 5% concentration solution.  You can do everything with a 5% solution that you 
can do with a 28% solution, you just use a little more.

Sodium chlorite solutions are considered stabilized chlorine dioxide solutions. 
 The concentration of the solution is directly related to the available 
chlorine dioxide in the solution.  The 28%, by weight, solution made with 80% 
technical grade sodium chlorite is actually a 22.4% sodium chlorite solution 
and it has 224000 PPM available chlorine dioxide.  A 6.25%, by weight, sodium 
chlorite is actually a 5% solution and it has 5 PPM available chlorine 
dioxide.

In industry, chlorine dioxide is used to remove sulphur compounds from the air 
and from solutions.  Since MSM has a sulphur component, as does DMSO, I would 
expect some reaction between an activated sodium chlorite solution and MSM.  I 
have not tested that specifically, but will put it on my list of things to 
check out.  I have checked chlorine dioxide and DMSO, and DMSO acts as an anti 
oxidant and reduces the concentration of chlorine dioxide.

What I find interesting is that DMSO and MSM have a small molecular weight that 
lends them to easily penetrating the skin.  Chlorine dioxide has a molecular 
weight about 15% less than DMSO (DMSO is 78, MSM is 94, chlorine dioxide is 
67.45) so it also easily penetrates the skin.  Unfortunately, it is so reactive 
that it doesn't get very far.

Roy boasts about taking extremely large doses using his MMS-Lite combination.  
I can assure you that if there wasn't an interaction between MMS and MSM, he 
would be suffering some side effects.  You can do a similar thing by adding 
something like organic apple juice to a normal MMS dose.  I once took three 15 
drop doses, mixed up according to the MMS protocol, in 30 minutes and suffered 
no side effects at all.  I mixed each dose with some organic apple juice (the 
label indicated that no additional vitamin C had been added).  When I later 
tested a similar solution, the chlorine dioxide concentration had been reduced 
to nearly 0 PPM.  As people were pushing to reach 15 drops three times a day, I 
was sending emails to Jim Humble telling him to cut back on the drops and go to 
fewer drops more frequently.  Eventually, many others also reported this to him 
and he changed the protocol.

The average body can tolerate about 8 drops of MMS mixed according to the MMS 
protocol.  Keep in mind that the MMS protocol is citric acid heavy and produces 
a chlorous acid/citric acid solution with a PH of around 3 or lower.  At about 
8 drops, there is a high enough concentration of free chlorine dioxide that it 
actually makes it to the stomach or lower GI tract.  This is what causes the 
nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea, which is actually a mild form of chlorine 
dioxide poisoning.  Chlorine dioxide doesn't last long inside the body (minutes 
at most) but quickly breaks down to chlorite ions.  The chlorite ion has a half 
life of around 42 hours in rats.  When dealing with chlorine dioxide poisoning, 
you can expect delayed reactions to occur during the first half life reduction. 
 This is caused by the chlorite oxidation reaction, and when the chlorite makes 
it to the lungs, chlorine dioxide can be formed again causing respiratory 
distress.

Now when you add sodium chlorite to water and get its PH below about 8, you 
also form a chlorous acid solution, but the activation takes place over hours 
or days.  The stomach acid can kick the activation up a notch, but it is still 
a rather slow reaction.  Roy is adding sodium chlorite to his MSM solution and 
that may actually offer some time release benefit.

I have spent over 30 years adding anti oxidants to my diet in an effort to 
reduce free radical damage brought on by oxidation within the body.  I have a 
very hard time with the idea of taking an oxidizing chemical daily.  It may 
make sense under special conditions but its effectiveness had better been 
verified for the circumstances.  I view MMS as a broad spectrum chemotherapy.  
You may not loose your hair, but you most likely will suffer some oxidative and 
free radical damage.

On the other hand, drinking water with 5-10 PPM available chlorine dioxide from 
sodium chlorite has demonstrated some wonderful results in animals and people.  
I am working with a research scientist on trying to figure out why.  She says 
that it appears, upon first examination, that for some reason the sodium 
chlorite/chlorous acid/chlorine dioxide solution seems to be acting as a 
catalyst for the electron transport chain.  Then she carries on

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-21 Thread poast

Hello Dick,

It seems that this is an area that has been looked at before and there are
some theories on the quality of EIS produced at high voltages.
Unfortunately, extensive testing is cost prohibitive, so you will just have
to go with the theory.

Low voltage, slow production, seems to be well studied, and it may be better
to concentrate your efforts to exploring the addition of H2O2 and citric
acid for better effectiveness.  I am just learning about making EIS, so I
will let those more knowledgeable in this speak up on this.

Tom

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?


 What do you think about the guy who says he makes 40 ppm in a minute or
two using a microwave oven 3600 volts?

 Or something like that.

 If that really works, then I should be able to make pretty good EIS with
the 2000v electrophoresis power supply in a very short time.  Maybe I have
been over-cooking the stuff trying to get higher ppm...?

 Dick


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CSBarwick's BS about CS.

2010-02-21 Thread Alchemysa

Even though its untrue, I've had half a dozen people say to me that  
CS has been banned in Europe.
Gee, it must be dangerous if its been banned and Hey, Google is  
full of references that say CS is banned in Europe.



Steve Barwick (aka Spencer Jones) is an idiot. All he has done is get  
more people thinking that perhaps it SHOULD be banned.



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Re: CSVit C and iodine shelf life

2010-02-21 Thread Saralou

I have a bottle of stuff that says it's SSKI (potassium iodide) and it 
also says it's white iodine.  Since I don't generally sense anything 
when I take iodine or don't, I can't tell  you if it's affect (that's 
aaah.fect)is stronger or weaker than that of the brown stuff.  The brown 
stuff seems more effective on cuts; I use the white stuff on my 
fingernails and in my ears.



Paul Bond wrote:


I make my own Lugols from Iodine and Potassium Iodine.  I have it in a 
/clear/ spray bottle, and notice that it's getting lighter all the 
time.  I had assumed this was a UV issue and should be in dark glass 
or even kept away from light altogether, but perhaps it's something 
else.  It definitely has a limited shelf life through.  I can 
experiment with this, but it would be several months before being able 
to prove or disprove the UV assumption.


 


Paul



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Re: CSColloid Master??

2010-02-21 Thread MaryAnn Helland

Hi Sara.  It's a great generator.  I've had mine for almost ten years.  During 
that time, it has made no less than three batches a week, and at times I've 
made as many as fourteen batches a week (2 per day).  It is a quality unit, 
worry-free.  You'll enjoy the bells and whistles, once you know what they are 
and how to put them to use.  You may find that it doesn't take as long to make 
a batch, as they say.  I never seed my batches, but I'm looking for a low-ppm 
(5-10) and it can take as few as three hours to make a quart.  And yes -- it 
makes the good stuff!!  :-)
MA





From: Sara Mandal-Joy smjl...@wavewls.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 6:11:58 PM
Subject: CSColloid Master??

 The Colloid Master
 Model 777™ AC

A friend has offered to purchase this for me.  I have a homemade kit, using
3 9 volt batteries.  I have no way to measure the levels, other than I have a
red light thingie that will show the tyndall effect.  I cook till I have a 
light
tyndall - usually about an hour for a quart of cs.  It is effective, has worked,
so I haven't tried to do anything fancier.  The above is on sale for 139.  It
has a bunch of bells and whistles, none of which I really understand why they
would or wouldn't be good features.  It does take 8 hours or so to make a liter,
and that is using a fw ounces of the last batch to seed the distilled water.  
Is
this a good generator?  Any comments about why so long?  Is it making the
good (meaning both effective and safe) stuff?  Thanks for any input.  Sara

http://www.wishgranted.com/Colloidal_Silver_Maker_777_AC.html


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Re: CSkidney stone

2010-02-21 Thread MaryAnn Helland

Yes -- take magnesium tablets.  Magnesium softens the stones, which then pass 
painlessly.
MA

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Subject: CSkidney stone

I just talked to a friend in pain with a kidney stone and awhile back there was 
some mention of things to do for them. Does anyone remember?? Thanks, Leslie

Re: CSBuffered MMS question for Tom

Hi Tom.  Would you mind if I pass this wonderful information on to the MMS
list?  

There were at least 2 ladies, that I remember, from the first list who noted
dramatic facial skin changes upon taking high doses of MMS daily.  It was
the oxidant effect they knew.  Their solution was to stop the MMS and take
massive amounts of antioxidants, and their skin went back to looking normal.
 They did not want to give up on the MMS though because of it making them 
feel so much better in their health issues (which I can't remember what they
were).  They compromised by switching between oxidant and antioxidants every
few days.

Plus, there were some sensitive people who stated that they felt MMS was
having a negative effect on their heart due to, they thought, MMS actually
stripping C from their bodies.

There were a couple others who felt that the MMS killed good bacteria along
with the bad as they could tell by how they felt.  So I've always told
anyone interested in taking MMS to be sure to supplement with C and
probiotics.  These could be spaced out so that they did not interfere with
the MMS action.

But your findings are, indeed, interesting.  

When I first got my MMS I did not have a timer and was guessing at the
activation time.  Because hardly anything bothers me I started out with a 15
drop dose, activated with 75 drops of white vinegar in a half glass water. 
Waited what I THOUGHT was 3 minutes, drank it and no effect.  This went on
for a couple days when I finally decided I'd better actually time it.  When
I did, and took that 15 drop dose, within a hour I was projectile vomiting
and had liquid diarrhea.  So activation, I learned, was important too.  :-)

I never tested it against C, trusting Jim's notes about C stopping it. 
Interesting that you say the apple juice stops it too, because Jim use to
recommend taking it with natural apple juice.

I'm wondering if you know about Cell Food?  It is advertised as an oxygen
product, separating hydrogen and oxygen thereby making oxygen more available
to the cells.  Whether it contains diluted sodium chlorite (as a stabilized
oxygen product) or not, I don't know--but I do know that taking Cell Food on
a continuing basis made a big difference in me.  And as I said, since I'm
pretty healthy and had nothing I was trying to 'fix' I was pretty impressed
by the physical results I got from Cell Food.  I am wondering if this is
along the same lines as the electron transport chain.  

Anyway--I will be very interested in any other findings you come up with. 
Have you thought about writing an ebook on the many uses of sodium chlorite
and the various solution rates?  I'd be extremely interested in that since I
m kind of math challenged when it comes to figuring out the ppm rates, and
dilution formulas.  :-)

Thanks again for patiently explaining all this to me.  I appreciate it.

Samala,
Renee

RE: CSConfusion Making CS


Shannah,

I don't believe I read if you remove your electrodes from the water to wipe 
them clean at regular intervals...do you do this?

 

N.
 














Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:37:06 -0800
From: brfifi...@rogers.com
Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS
To: silver-list@eskimo.com










Thanks for your thoughts Dan. I've just checked that batch and it's now turning 
pale yellow and the cloudiness has mostly lifted - just a slight bit left. 
 
I've got a lot to learn. 





From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 4:23:28 PM
Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS

The only way I can see increasing the distance between electrodes as
causing a decrease in the brewing time, is if there is less of a
deposit on the widely spaced electrodes.  This would mean that more
silver stayed in solution, and did not get sucked up by the
electrode...

As far as the grey color, this may be from some finger contamination
or difference in the water.  Any contamination, albeit minuscule, will
cause the process to work faster.  Maybe the water temperature was
slightly different.  I wouldn't worry about it too much.

This is just one batch.  Try it again.

Dan


On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 11:08 AM, brf brfifi...@rogers.com wrote:
 I'm confused here and looking for some elementary help or direction as to
 where I might find help.

 I've been making CS for a very short time - using a homemade device -
 basically 14 gauge  hooked up to 3  9 volt batteries and 1 inch apart.
 Usually a litre (roughly equivalent to a quart) takes several hours,
 probably around 12 or so hours to make and comes out pale to medium
 yellow between 15 to 20 ppm as measured on a TDS meter.

 I realize a lot of factors can influence the making process. Last night I
 tried several different experiments using various set ups. One was spacing
 the wires 1 1/2 inches apart. I noticed this seemed to accelerate the
 process a little and when I got up this morning after 9 hours 'brewing',
 this particular batch was grey and very cloudy reading at 15 ppm. I
 thought it was no good but as the morning has worn on  the cloudiness is
 clearing and it has no colour at all and still reading at 15 ppm.

 Several questions. Is this alright to drink? I understand clear CS is
 supposed to be superior to yellow but also that a long slow process time is
 supposed to produce better quality. This batch took less time than
 normal. Is this garbage or have I accidentally stumbled onto a better
 process do you think?

 Also is it usual that spacing your silver wire further apart speeds up the
 process?

 I know there are a lot of experienced minds here and much of the information
 is beyond me at this point but I'm trying to grasp as much as possible right
 now. Appreciate any help you can offer.

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RE: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?


OK, Thanks for that Dick.

 

N.
 


Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 07:14:49 -0800
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Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com





Evidently, yes.  Which would explain the slight argyria my wife has (she took a 
lot more than I did).  But it was very effective stuff.  Too bad about the 
argyria.  

Dick





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Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 10:47:54 PM
Subject: RE: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?



From this can I assume you were possibly ingesting silver nitrate for a period 
of time? Yes?/No?/Dunno?
 
N.
 
 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:06:11 -0800
 From: dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 
 So Marshall and all you other experts, let me double check with you about the 
 high voltage arcing -- you are sure that it will produce silver nitrate?
 
 Or perhaps can it also be producing silver ions with extra oxygen? (I know, 
 wishful thinking).
 
 I'm just thinking that I used whatever that produced for several years, and 
 it worked great for preventing illness. Only trouble is the beginnings of 
 argyria in my wife, and blue moons in me.
 
 I guess I'm looking for something to improve on 15-20 ppm low voltage EIS. 
 The reason is that since I went to that a couple of months ago, I have gotten 
 a cold, albeit a mild one, and my wife got that food poisoning after stopping 
 EIS for one week. And we have both noticed that the low voltage EIS does not 
 last very long when we use it for deodorant. The arced stuff, and the silver 
 citrate I just made seem to last 24 hours easily, which makes me think they 
 are much stronger.
 
 Isn't there any way to make a strong EIS without risking argyria? Or is that 
 the tradeoff?
 
 How about H2O2? I haven't really tried that one yet. That will be next, I 
 guess.
 
 Dick
 
 
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RE: footer test Re: CS[List Owner] Footer problems...

You're a crackup Boss, hilarious that is, {I can never be TOO careful can I 
now?} just love that lingo in print. G

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CSBuffered MMS question for Tom

2010-02-21 Thread Paul Bond

Wrt MMS Lite and taking it with MSM, from this site http://www.msm-info.com/
it says  MSM is a strong antioxidant .  It also says a bit about
detoxification:

 

MSM is known to dissolve in many organic and inorganic compounds (1). Bound
to the mucosa and split into an electron deficient group CH3SO2. , MSM
reacts with toxins, affects inactivation and speeds excretion (4).
Furthermore, MSM enhances the permeability of cell membranes, making it
easier for nutrients to be taken up by the cells, and waste products to be
eliminated. Practically speaking, MSM drastically increases the ability of
cells to excrete toxic waste products. Many health practitioners working
with MSM will state, that it is the most powerful detoxifying nutraceutical
or pharmaceutical agent they have ever worked with.

 

So that would suggest MSM could neutralise MMS somewhat.

 

Paul

Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-21 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

Hi ManyAnn I'm not Dave but I got mine at iHerb really reasonable and their 
postage cost/speed is second to none!  dee

On 21 Feb 2010, at 01:08, MaryAnn Helland wrote:

 Dave -- where do you get that product (Lavilin)?  Thanks.
 MA

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Re: CSWhich layer of skin? Iron injection stains


Reposted in plain text:

Forty years ago with my first pregnancy I was also given iron injections 
in the buttocks.  I don't remember how often they were given, but they 
left me with great iron stains that took years to disappear - but they 
did, eventually.  I also got great brown marks in my (blue) irises, so 
that I thought my eyes were changing colour.  (At an iridology class one 
time some ten years later a fellow student who must have had some 
experience examined at my irises and asked if I'd been given iron 
injections (she called it another name that I don't recall.)  I think 
those brown spots are still there.)


This was in the UK, and the nurse used to come to the house to give me 
the shots.  One time the Doctor came, and seemed to be preparing to give 
me the shot in the arm.  I waited to make sure that was his intention 
while trying to work out a tactful way to bring his mind back on track.  
Aren't you going to give it to me in the behind this time? I asked.  
He seemed to have quite a shock, as well he might, and quickly undid the 
strap around my arm.  He probably thought he'd narrowly missed making a 
big mistake, and I could have narrowly missed being on the receiving end 
of one, as my brain was so slow formulating my question.  But luckily I 
did know that this kind of jab was dangerous in the vein and had to go 
in the buttocks.


Rowena

On 20/02/2010 3:22 AM, Christina Mattson wrote:
Anyone?, Sorry to go OT but this reminds me of some large sort of 
bruises i have had on my hips for 4 years now. When i was pregnant 
with my son i was given iron injections three times a week for a few 
months and then once a week for another month until my OB Dr. told me 
not to let The MD give me anymore (she didn't say why). Since then 
none of the Doctor's can tell me specifically what it is and how to 
fix it. I'm trying to figure out if it is iron deposited under the 
skin or damaged capilaries that keep leaching blood. The areas are 
slightly tender and have faided considerbly but not in the last 
year.  The subject of these posts has been helping me in my quest to 
figure out what is going on.

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Fwd: Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

Reposted in plain text.

It is true, apparently, that they use sweetener as well as sugar, and I
read that the reason is that it is cheaper for them to sweeten the
drinks with the chemicals than with the real sugar. They don't
necessarily identify the fact that sugar is not the only sweetener,
either, at least not where I live. Probably if it is below a certain
quantity they don't need to report it, and let's face it, very little
chemical is needed to sweeten it. There is a pretty horrific list of
tales people tell of their symptoms when using Splenda, for instance,
which I looked up after the aspartame articles.

A dear friend of mine has been telling me about her new illnesses,
diabetes and high blood pressure and a few other things. Then I noticed
a packet of Splenda on her coffee table. And she was also swigging some
sort of Cola drink during our hot weather. I forwarded your emails to
her, Lois and Annie, with a whole swag of the Splenda complaints, too.
Up to her now, poor darling - she has enough to put up with having no
disks between her vertebrae any more, and has to spend a lot of time
lying down. I hope she gets the message the Splenda users are passing on.

On 19/02/2010 7:57 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
Thanks for this Lois, I think all products containing artificial
sweeteners should be avoided, but they even put it in when there is
*sugar* in it as well! Unbelievable! dee
On 18 Feb 2010, at 21:51, zzekel...@aol.com mailto:zzekel...@aol.com
wrote:

I just got this today.aminosweet
http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.org/blog/2010/02/15/aspartame-has-been-renamed-and-is-now-being-marketed-as-a-natural-sweetener/aminosweet/
Artificial sweeteners especially aspartame has gotten a bad rap over
the years, most likely due to studies showing they cause cancer. But
not to worry Ajinomoto the company that makes Aspartame has changed
the name to AminoSweet. It has the same toxic ingredients but a nice
new sounding name.

Lois

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Re: CSWhich layer of skin? Iron injection stains

2010-02-21 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

Just goes to reinforce my opinion of most GP's! One emergency one I had called 
out years ago; diagnosed me with gastric enteritis and I had gall stones!  dee

On 21 Feb 2010, at 10:36, Rowena wrote:

 Reposted in plain text:
 
 Forty years ago with my first pregnancy I was also given iron injections in 
 the buttocks.  I don't remember how often they were given, but they left me 
 with great iron stains that took years to disappear - but they did, 
 eventually.  I also got great brown marks in my (blue) irises, so that I 
 thought my eyes were changing colour.  (At an iridology class one time some 
 ten years later a fellow student who must have had some experience examined 
 at my irises and asked if I'd been given iron injections (she called it 
 another name that I don't recall.)  I think those brown spots are still 
 there.)
 


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Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

2010-02-21 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

I have a friend like this Rowena, but she will not listen to me.  She has type 
11 diabetes and is on BP meds Metformin and something else, also statins and 
pain killers for her neuropathy, but still she keeps swigging diet Coke!  dee

On 21 Feb 2010, at 10:39, Rowena wrote:

 Reposted in plain text.
 
 It is true, apparently, that they use sweetener as well as sugar, and I read 
 that the reason is that it is cheaper for them to sweeten the drinks with the 
 chemicals than with the real sugar.  They don't necessarily identify the fact 
 that sugar is not the only sweetener, either, at least not where I live. 
 Probably if it is below a certain quantity they don't need to report it, and 
 let's face it, very little chemical  is needed to sweeten it.  There is a 
 pretty horrific list of tales people tell of their symptoms when using 
 Splenda, for instance, which I looked up after the aspartame articles.
 


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Re: footer test Re: CS[List Owner] Footer problems...

2010-02-21 Thread Ode Coyote






  Can't write a font big enough to express the size of this  COOL 
POTATOES  and GREEN GRAVY !!

Dere are CHIVES of dis list!!

Hoowoodie thunkit.


Ode



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Woah, ain't that thar FOOTER a work of art? Just lookiee at the thang!

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CSdeoderant

2010-02-21 Thread Ode Coyote

I've been using around 20% Vit E oil, 80% hemp oil and a dab of
spearmint oil mix lately for deodorantit seems to last for several days.

Ode

At 08:17 AM 2/20/2010 -0800, you wrote:

Dick
Why not just reduce it to get it stronger?
As far as the deodorant is concerned I've never had any luck using CS for
that but there is a product that deodorises without blocking the normal
excretion of toxins ( very good for protecting against breast cancer). It
is called Lavilin. They say it lasts at least a week and through a couple
baths.
I use it every time I shower but it really works, even when I work up a
sweat it doesn't smell.

Dave

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Neville Munn
mailto:one.red...@hotmail.comone.red...@hotmail.com wrote:
From this can I assume you were possibly ingesting silver nitrate for a
period of time? Yes?/No?/Dunno?

Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:06:11 -0800
From: mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.comdickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?
To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com

So Marshall and all you other experts, let me double check with you
about the high voltage arcing -- you are sure that it will produce
silver nitrate?

Or perhaps can it also be producing silver ions with extra oxygen? (I
know, wishful thinking).

I'm just thinking that I used whatever that produced for several
years, and it worked great for preventing illness. Only trouble is the
beginnings of argyria in my wife, and blue moons in me.

I guess I'm looking for something to improve on 15-20 ppm low voltage
EIS. The reason is that since I went to that a couple of months ago, I
have gotten a cold, albeit a mild one, and my wife got that food
poisoning after stopping EIS for one week. And we have both noticed that
the low voltage EIS does not last very long when we use it for
deodorant. The arced stuff, and the silver citrate I just made seem to
last 24 hours easily, which makes me think they are much stronger.

Isn't there any way to make a strong EIS without risking argyria? Or
is that the tradeoff?

How about H2O2? I haven't really tried that one yet. That will be
next, I guess.

Dick

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CSmeters

2010-02-21 Thread Ode Coyote




  All meters use conductivity [uS]  NO meter can actually measure PPM
 A PPM/TDS meter takes that number and runs it through a formula to 
calculate PPM in sodium salt water.
 Silver water is not salt water and the formula is even different for 
different sorts of salt water.


The relationship 1uS= 1 PPM silver [some say .7, some 1.2 ] is an 
approximate one, probably only useful between 5 and 30 uS and much depends 
on when you meter it as it changes for a while and how dense the TE is 
[meters can't detect nonconductive particles].

ie  Dense TE, fudge the number up a bit..no TE fudge it down

 2 week old samples tested by AA Spectrophotometer  @ 87% ionic/ 13% 
particulate [pretty dense TE]

 Batch run up to 22 uS stabilizing to 11.8 uS [Hanna PWT] = 11.9 PPM [AA Spec]

Resolution of PPM meters is pretty dismal when you add in a multiplier and 
the lack of a decimal place and the possible range read error is quite high 
at the low end of its 1999 PPM range when calibrated somewhere in the middle.
I've  even seen pretty good PPM meters just skip a whole digit while 
re-calibrating them to the range end  'we' usesome are just horrible.




Ode



At 07:23 AM 2/20/2010 -0800, you wrote:

Interesting...

How does the unit uS compare with PPM?

I have two meters, one of which measures PPM, and the other uS, and they 
show very diferent readings on the same stuff.  I don't know if that is 
because the units of measurement are that different, or because one of the 
meters is very inaccurate...


Dick



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Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 12:44:04 AM
Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

Hello Dick,

Please understand that this is still in the experimental stage... but

I have had pretty good success in making normal EIS, then using heat to
concentrate it.  It takes a little time and effort to do, but it seems to
work very well.  I don't know how pure it is, but if I start with a batch
that tests at 15 uS/cm and evaporate half of it away, it then tests at about
30 uS/cm.  When I continue down to a quarter of the original batch it tests
at about 60 uS/cm.

I am still playing with this, and have not done testing beyond looking at
the strengths of the solution.  I plan to put some dishes of sugar and water
in a dark place to see if mold grows, then make some more applying the EIS
concentrate to see if it prevents the mold from growing.

At any rate, I just thought I would throw that out...

Tom


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Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

I quit drinking anything but water and tea/coffee. 
Yeah coffee/tea isn't the greatest either, but it 
is my guilty pleasure:)


Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

I have a friend like this Rowena, but she will not listen to me.  She has type 
11 diabetes and is on BP meds Metformin and something else, also statins and 
pain killers for her neuropathy, but still she keeps swigging diet Coke!  dee

On 21 Feb 2010, at 10:39, Rowena wrote:


Reposted in plain text.

It is true, apparently, that they use sweetener as well as sugar, and I read 
that the reason is that it is cheaper for them to sweeten the drinks with the 
chemicals than with the real sugar.  They don't necessarily identify the fact 
that sugar is not the only sweetener, either, at least not where I live. 
Probably if it is below a certain quantity they don't need to report it, and 
let's face it, very little chemical  is needed to sweeten it.  There is a 
pretty horrific list of tales people tell of their symptoms when using Splenda, 
for instance, which I looked up after the aspartame articles.




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CSCS: Archives

2010-02-21 Thread Harold MacDonald

Great job on the Archives Mike,Congrats.!

Harold

CSWater - Magnesium Bicarbonate



Worth researching if you haven't heard about it is Magnesium Bicarbonate 
water.

Mg(OH)2 + (CO2)2 -- Mg(HCO3)2
 People make it with Milk of Magnesia in carbonated water.
MoM being unavailable in Oz, I have been using Alkamag to  make it.
One can add flavourings; I usually add Aloe Vera juice, Magnascent and 
Cayce Hoxsey Mix in the mornings.

R

On 21/02/2010 10:55 PM, Annie B Smythe wrote:
I quit drinking anything but water and tea/coffee. Yeah coffee/tea 
isn't the greatest either, but it is my guilty pleasure:)






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Re: CSBuffered MMS question for Tom

Yes.  If it's a strong antioxidant and MMS is an oxidant, they'd cancel each
other out--or because the MSM is in greater amounts than the MMS, then it
may just neutralize the MMS.

Perhaps they are thinking because the MSM 'opens' cells and, like DMSO,
helps take things into the cells, that the MSM is taking in MMS.  But this
would seem to not be what's happening if the one is canceling the other.  

Maybe the benefit he and others are getting is simply from intake of lots of
MSM.

Samala,
Renee 

---Original Message---
 
 
Wrt MMS Lite and taking it with MSM, from this site http://www.msm-info.com/
it says  MSM is a strong antioxidant .  It also says a bit about
detoxification:

Re: CSConfusion Making CS

2010-02-21 Thread brf

Bless you Sol - I pulled it apart and it has a rubber piece inside that can be 
raised or lowered to adjust the air flow.  So yes, I can adjust it down now 
very low. Thank you so much for the suggestion to look further.

You mentioned earlier the bubbles should come out between the electrodes. Do I 
place the tubing near the bottom of the jar? Do I leave it on the whole time?

Thanks
Shannah






From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 11:11:47 PM
Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS

At 01:39 PM 2/20/2010, you wrote:
 Yes Sol, - distilled water with nothing added.
 
 My aquarium pump is probably too powerful then. I see it has no adjustable 
 setting on it.

Mine had a little thumb screw over each output tube, does it have anything like 
that? It was terribly fiddly to adjust though, and would change itself
sol


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Re: CSWater - Magnesium Bicarbonate


Yep:)

I have two liters of the magnesium carbonate in 
the fridge. What is the Cayce Hoxsey mix, and do 
you add it to the magnesium carbonate? :)


Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Rowena wrote:


Worth researching if you haven't heard about it is Magnesium Bicarbonate 
water.

Mg(OH)2 + (CO2)2 -- Mg(HCO3)2
 People make it with Milk of Magnesia in carbonated water.
MoM being unavailable in Oz, I have been using Alkamag to  make it.
One can add flavourings; I usually add Aloe Vera juice, Magnascent and 
Cayce Hoxsey Mix in the mornings.

R



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CSNatural treatments for cancer confirmed

2010-02-21 Thread Norton, Steve

 Interesting. 

Polo, 
Looks like Pokeweed is getting some good press

 - Steve N

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Re: CSNatural treatments for cancer confirmed

2010-02-21 Thread polo

Natural treatments for cancer confirmedCool, I love poke root. Much undervalued 
and even worse, surrounded by fear from people who never used it. 

doug

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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 10:11 AM
  Subject: CSNatural treatments for cancer confirmed

   Interesting.

  Polo,
  Looks like Pokeweed is getting some good press

   - Steve N

Re: CSWater - Magnesium Bicarbonate

2010-02-21 Thread polo

I agree too. I make my own and love it for my restless leg syndrome and 
spasms from spinal cord injury.


doug


- Original Message - 
From: Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: CSWater - Magnesium Bicarbonate



Yep:)

I have two liters of the magnesium carbonate in
the fridge. What is the Cayce Hoxsey mix, and do
you add it to the magnesium carbonate? :)

Annie



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Re: CSWater - Magnesium Bicarbonate

I do, but only because this means just one thing to drink rather than a 
lot of little bitty things I take first thing in the morning.  Later in 
the day I just drink it plain or with some flavour, or as shandy.
The Cayce Hoxsey mix, which I get from magnascent.com, is a blood 
cleanser containing Poke root, Burdock root, Stillingia root, Yellow 
Dock root, and Wild Cherry bark, and  Energized Iodine.

R

On 22/02/2010 12:12 AM, Annie B Smythe wrote:

Yep:)

I have two liters of the magnesium carbonate in the fridge. What is 
the Cayce Hoxsey mix, and do you add it to the magnesium carbonate? :)


Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Rowena wrote:


Worth researching if you haven't heard about it is Magnesium 
Bicarbonate water.

Mg(OH)2 + (CO2)2 -- Mg(HCO3)2
 People make it with Milk of Magnesia in carbonated water.
MoM being unavailable in Oz, I have been using Alkamag to  make it.
One can add flavourings; I usually add Aloe Vera juice, Magnascent 
and Cayce Hoxsey Mix in the mornings.

R



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Re: CSConfusion Making CS air flow

2010-02-21 Thread Deborah Gerard

I don't think we ever discussed the air flow from the pump before, does 
everyone here follow this?
Thanks Deb

From: brf brfifi...@rogers.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 11:01:39 AM
Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS

Bless you Sol - I pulled it apart and it has a rubber piece inside that can be 
raised or lowered to adjust the air flow.  So yes, I can adjust it down now 
very low. Thank you so much for the suggestion to look further.

You mentioned earlier the bubbles should come out between the electrodes. Do I 
place the tubing near the bottom of the jar? Do I leave it on the whole time?

Thanks
Shannah

From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 11:11:47 PM
Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS

At 01:39 PM 2/20/2010, you wrote:
 Yes Sol, - distilled water with nothing added.

 My aquarium pump is probably too powerful then. I see it has no adjustable 
 setting on it.

Mine had a little thumb screw over each output tube, does it have anything like 
that? It was terribly fiddly to adjust though, and would change itself
sol

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Re: CSConfusion Making CS

2010-02-21 Thread brf

Hi Neville,

Yes I do wipe the electrodes clean regularly whenever I see a build up on them. 
The only exceptions were the two batches I left overnight.  Maybe that had an 
influence.

I've made about 20 or 24 batches approximately 1 litre size now and each one 
seems different. I guess I was looking for consistency here but maybe that's 
not possible.  Mostly they turn out varying shades of pale to medium yellow, 
clear, between 15 and 20 ppm as measured on the TDS meter and take over 10 
hours to be ready. Maybe I should be happy with that. 

The ones that take a short brewing time or turn out very yellow worry me a 
little as I understand that can indicate a larger particle size.  The batch 
that was cloudy grey took me by complete surprise but it has since turned 
yellow and mostly clear. 

As long as it's all safe to drink - that's the most important thing.  





From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 3:49:32 AM
Subject: RE: CSConfusion Making CS

Shannah,

I don't believe I read if you remove your electrodes from the water to wipe 
them clean at regular intervals...do you do this?
 
N.
 











Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:37:06 -0800
From: brfifi...@rogers.com
Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS
To: silver-list@eskimo.com







Thanks for your thoughts Dan. I've just checked that batch and it's now turning 
pale yellow and the cloudiness has mostly lifted - just a slight bit left. 

I've got a lot to learn. 





From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 4:23:28 PM
Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS

The only way I can see increasing the distance between electrodes as
causing a decrease in the brewing time, is if there is less of a
deposit on the widely spaced electrodes.  This would mean that more
silver stayed in solution, and did not get sucked up by the
electrode...

As far as the grey color, this may be from some finger contamination
or difference in the water.  Any contamination, albeit minuscule, will
cause the process to work faster.  Maybe the water temperature was
slightly different.  I wouldn't worry about it too much.

This is just one batch.  Try it again.

Dan


On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 11:08 AM, brf brfifi...@rogers.com wrote:
 I'm confused here and looking for some elementary help or direction as to
 where I might find help.

 I've been making CS for a very short time - using a homemade device -
 basically 14 gauge  hooked up to 3  9 volt batteries and 1 inch apart.
 Usually a litre (roughly equivalent to a quart) takes several hours,
 probably around 12 or so hours to make and comes out pale to medium
 yellow between 15 to 20 ppm as measured on a TDS meter.

 I realize a lot of factors can influence the making process. Last night I
 tried several different experiments using various set ups. One was spacing
 the wires 1 1/2 inches apart. I noticed this seemed to accelerate the
 process a little and when I got up this morning after 9 hours 'brewing',
 this particular batch was grey and very cloudy reading at 15 ppm. I
 thought it was no good but as the morning has worn on  the cloudiness is
 clearing and it has no colour at all and still reading at 15 ppm.

 Several questions. Is this alright to drink? I understand clear CS is
 supposed to be superior to yellow but also that a long slow process time is
 supposed to produce better quality. This batch took less time than
 normal. Is this garbage or have I accidentally stumbled onto a better
 process do you think?

 Also is it usual that spacing your silver wire further apart speeds up the
 process?

 I know there are a lot of experienced minds here and much of the information
 is beyond me at this point but I'm trying to grasp as much as possible right
 now. Appreciate any help you can offer.

 Thanks
 Shannah




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Australia's #1 job site If it exists, you'll find it on SEEK.

CSHair Loss

Okay, so I found this website while researching 
DHT and what causes elevated levels and the 
connection with Iodine and the thyroid.  The 
second page talks about the thyroid hormones and 
Insulin resistance and T4 and how it's all 
related. :)  Very interesting and informative read 
with research and reference links. And although it 
talk about men mostly, I'm sure that elevated 
levels of DHT in women can cause hair loss as 
well, especially as those who have thyroid 
problems usually have an upset in the hormone 
balances in the HPA axis.


http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/

Annie
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Re: CSConfusion Making CS air flow


At 09:56 AM 2/21/2010, you wrote:
I don't think we ever discussed the air flow from the pump before, 
does everyone here follow this?

Thanks Deb
I am sure I got the idea for the need to have a very very slow 
stream of single bubbles here on this list.
Probably was Ode who told me about it It has been many years 
since I messed with that home made generator.

sol





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Re: CSConfusion Making CS air flow

From: brf brfifi...@rogers.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 11:01:39 AM
Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS

Bless you Sol - I pulled it apart and it has a rubber piece inside 
that can be raised or lowered to adjust the air flow.  So yes, I can 
adjust it down now very low. Thank you so much for the suggestion to 
look further.

You mentioned earlier the bubbles should come out between the 
electrodes. Do I place the tubing near the bottom of the jar? Do I 
leave it on the whole time?

I placed the tubing at the bottom of the brew jar, or as best I 
could, it tended to float around some. I also did leave the bubbler 
going through the entire brewing process. Otherwise why bother? The 
purpose of stirring is to disturb the water just enough to help move 
ions away from the electrode, so they get better distributed into the 
distilled water, and don't have as much chance to form large 
particles or to just build up between the electrodes. I hope I said 
that right, LOL.

The whole thing was so fiddly and needed so much babysitting, and 
took up two electrical outlets, and about a 24 by 24 inch area of 
counter, what with the wires, tubes, bubbler and meter, that after I 
learned what I wanted to learn from it, I never used it again. I 
actually own both the SG-6 and a silverpuppy magnetic stir unit, and 
those are what I use to produce my EIS. I don't have the patience or 
the room for a home-made generator, but it was fun to make, and I did 
learn about how the current draw and voltage change as a batch 
progressed. I never got it to produce a really repeatable EIS though. 
Which both my automatic generators DO, as long as I start with good 
pure distilled water the EIS comes out the same every time (as 
measured with my Hanna PWT). No muss no fuss. No watching, no 
adjusting, no fooling, LOL.

sol

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CSMagnesium Bicarbonate and mineral water recipes

Here's another good website with recipes for 
magnesium and mineral waters. I have the page 
saved to my hard drive and had to search for the 
website again, LOL.


http://www.scientificpsychic.com/health/mineral-water.html

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Re: CSHair Loss

Wow--this is a great site!  Thanks.  The daily articles are very informative
 too.

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
Okay, so I found this website while researching
DHT and what causes elevated levels and the
connection with Iodine and the thyroid.

Re: CSHair Loss

2010-02-21 Thread carolG

What's the link please Renee.  I missed that email but maybe if archives are 
around in future could look self?  

Thanks hun.

carol




From: Renee gaiac...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 12:54:17 PM
Subject: Re: CSHair Loss

  
Wow--this is a great site!  Thanks.  The daily articles are very informative, 
too.
 
Samala,
Renee
 
---Original Message---
 
Okay, so I found this website while researching
DHT and what causes elevated levels and the
connection with Iodine and the thyroid

Re: CSHair Loss

Here's a link to his very first daily post page.  At the bottom then you can
click on 'previous posts' to continue on up to today.  Or, to look around
his web site just go to the top of the page and click on one of those links.

http://www.immortalhair.org/apps/blog/?page=8

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
What's the link please Renee.  I missed that email but maybe if archives are 
around in future could look self?

CSR fraction ALA