RE: CSVitamins Minerals II
htmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/htmlHi, Ruth B. from Ruth S. I have had one Ondamed session with a Dr. Essen at the Whole Life Clinic, Inc. 904 E. 143rd St. Burnsville , Mn. 55337. Phone 952-891-3019. Website: www.wholelifeclinic.com Naturopath. I am currentlytaking the following Alternative Health preparations: Digestazon Plus, Una De Gato Honey Vinegar, Sangre De Drago from Amazon Herbs. Also Fiberzon Plus Rhubarb Root, from the same company. In addition, I use Hydrozyme, Organik-15, Bio GGG-B, Bio FCTS from Metabolic Management, P.O. Box 546, Grant Park,Illinois 60940, 800-373-1373. And Lipophos EDTA from Allergy Research Group. Don't have the address for them handy. And Prescript- Assist , a probiotic, www.safermedical.us . These are all designed to aid in digestion. These preparations are very,very expensive. My son paid for the first round, and I for the second, but don't know if I can continue, at least not in the prescribed amounts. So far I do see some improvement in colon transit speed, but that is more likely due to regular Doctor prescribed daily doses of Milk of magnesia, which Dr. Essen knows about. My regular Drs. also know about the Ondamed things I am using. I am currently taking Milk of mag 3 times a day between meals in doses of 1, 1 and a half or 2 tablespoons as seem to be needed. You may not have read my earlier posts about the condition of my colon which is a great deal longer than usual, very floppy , and has a tested transit time of 7-8 days! It has been recommended to have either partial or total colon removal, but , because of my age (79) it was deemed wise to try some rather drastic methods to get this organ into action more regularly. You may include this information if you think it will be useful to enough people. The sites to purchase the above listed products are probablyof general interest. Those companies carry other natural products as well. Ruth Strackbein From: berte...@lfdcbham.comto: silver-list@eskimo.com; mdi_n...@yahoogroups.com; dimethylsulfoxide-d...@yahoogroups.comdate: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:52:21 -0500Subject: CSVitamins Minerals II Hi again! I've been asked to do a recap of everyone's suggested regimes that I requested in a separate post, which I think is a great idea. Something that might be helpful would be to let us know where you get the products (i.e., Walmart, health food store, online, etc.) and then to provide links to those products where appropriate (as I suspect a large portion are being ordered online). Please feel free to provide any other suggestions to the lists for use in the recap. Thanks! ( crossin my fingers this only goes once to each list) Ruth B. _ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last. Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033
RE: CSDianne cysts
Hi, Dianne, You only listed one site and that one was pretty much a listof products, didn't seem to say any thing about iodine. Maybe I didn't look carefully enough. Would be interested in the access information for the other site you had in mind. Thanks, Ruth S.htmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:08:30 -0700From: pj20fl...@gmail.comto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: CSDianne cysts If you read the www.altcancer.com site on iodine and click on and read all the links, you will have educated yourself quite a lot concerning iodine. Dr. Miller's first page is very good too. Sent me running for iodine since a lot of things fell into place with the info on just those two sites.Best wishes to you. And this is a very good and helpful list. Many kind people, not to mention very, very knowledgeable about beaucoup things!! pj _ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last. Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033
RE: CSRuth
Hi, Dee, Thanks for your information about magnesium. But what do you mean that magnesium chloride is the form the body turns the different forms into Mary? RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:48:35 +0100From: d...@deetroy.orgto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: RE: CSRuth I think magnesium chloride is the form the body turns the different forms into Mary, but if you buy mag citrate I think this is the easiest form for the body to use and convert. Magnesium oxide which is in most proprietary brands, is the *least* available form. With products made for indigestion, you have to be careful that they don't contain aluminium. Hope this helps. Dee ---Original Message--- From: ruth strackbein Date: 10/12/07 03:59:18 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRuth MMy chiropractor says the Milk of magnesia from Philips is probably the best of the drugstore variety, unless I would use a truly chelated variety. The kinds of chelated magnesium found in chain stores and drugstores usually isn't really chelated. I forget all he said about that. RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html _ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last. Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033
RE: CSRuth
Thanks for the further information about Magnesium, Dee. The Phillips Milk of magnesia I have been using has only Magnesium and purified water and something called sodium hypochloride. I should look up the hydrochloride part. I am supposed to consume plenty of salt, since my salt levels always test out low. I salt my food but do not eat potato chips or any of those things. I mainly eat meat and vegetables and put salt on them. Will probably stick with the present Magnesium until I can check out some of these others. MMy chiropractor says the Milk of magnesia from Philips is probably the best of the drugstore variety, unless I would use a truly chelated variety. The kinds of chelated magnesium found in chain stores and drugstores usually isn't really chelated. I forget all he said about that. RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:07:59 +0100From: d...@deetroy.orgto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: RE: CSRuth I don't know what form milk of magnesia is in Ruth. I am taking tablets from Higher Nature which are pre-digested form which is supposed to be better (according to the manufacturers) because they are already in a bioavailable form. I think magnesium chloride is fine though, or citrate, or orotate I believe. Dee ---Original Message--- From: ruth strackbein Date: 10/10/2007 22:13:44 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRuth Hi, Dee, I really was behind on replies! I am wondering what kind of magnesium you are using. There have been some interesting messages about magnesium chloride recently. I am using a tablespoon of Milk of Magnesia 3 times a day, sometimes two tablespoons at one of the 3 times. Also take a stool softener. I think that the stool softener bothers my upper problems , though. Am debating about whether or not to try a different form of magnesia. I am also concerned about whether or not the magnesium may upset the balance between calcium and magnesium in my system. Had my calcium tested a couple of weeks ago and it was normal. However, I was not given the figures, only told it was normal. And so often, as with the thyroid things, what is listed as normal is really at the edge of being too low.Come to think of it, the Dr. did say it was on the edge of being too high. My faulty memory. There are just too many aspects of the various possible treatments. I will be interested in hearing how you fare on the magnesium treatment. Thanks, RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html _ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline
RE: CSRuth
Hi, Dee, I really was behind on replies! I am wondering what kind of magnesium you are using. There have been some interesting messages about magnesium chloride recently. I am using a tablespoon of Milk of Magnesia 3 times a day, sometimes two tablespoons at one of the 3 times. Also take a stool softener. I think that the stool softener bothers my upper problems , though. Am debating about whether or not to try a different form of magnesia. I am also concerned about whether or not the magnesium may upset the balance between calcium and magnesium in my system. Had my calcium tested a couple of weeks ago and it was normal. However, I was not given the figures, only told it was normal. And so often, as with the thyroid things, what is listed as normal is really at the edge of being too low.Come to think of it, the Dr. did say it was on the edge of being too high. My faulty memory. There are just too many aspects of the various possible treatments. I will be interested in hearing how you fare on the magnesium treatment. Thanks, RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:14:47 +0100From: d...@deetroy.orgto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: RE: CSRuth Hi Ruth, my you *are* a little behind with the mails I think grin as I sent this months ago! I am glad that things seem to be a little better for you, although as you say, not quite completely better. I hope things continue to improve and you find the thing that works without having to resort to surgery. I too have a similar although not nearly so severe, problem as you. i.e. Constipation, and nothing seems to get rid of it. I have tried the whey and inulin but no luck so far. I am now upping my dose of magnesium as Duncan said that can help. It is such a nuisance having to continuously take things like Senocot which even that, sometimes doesn't work. I am a bit peculiar in that things like fibre, fruit, etc., just make it worse, so I don't know what the answer is. Anyway, I do hope your problem continues to improve, and you know we are all with you. X Dee ---Original Message--- From: ruth strackbein Date: 10/10/2007 03:25:37 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRuth Hi, Dee, am going through my e-mail messages from previous weeks. I appreciate your message, I know Charles and the others mean well, but I just cannot go in many directions at once. Different ones on this list have very different ideas of what may be basically wrong with me and they may all be partially right or entirely right, or all wrong. _ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline
RE: CSRuth
Hi, Dee, am going through my e-mail messages from previous weeks. I appreciate your message, I know Charles and the others mean well, but I just cannot go in many directions at once. Different ones on this list have very different ideas of what may be basically wrong with me and they may all be partially right or entirely right, or all wrong. At present I am using alternative methods with my regular doctor's blessing. I have gone to a Naturopath who works with something called an Onamed machine that uses electric impulses to determine which parts of one's body are in trouble. Supplements are listed . I have received my first round of these supplements and between them they seem to deal with many if not most of the things that various ones on Eskimo have posted about. These supplements are from companies like Amazon and several companies that are doing research into some of these sitiuations. I am still exploring the possibility of surgery, but with no definite plans for proceeding in that direction for the present. Neither the surgeons I have consulted nor the gastroenterologist are pushing for surgery. In fact one surgeon flatly refuses to do the surgery. His plan for getting my colon to work did not produce desired results, but the plan of the present surgeon in addition to the alternative things, does seem to be producing some results. What none of them can do is turn back the calendar re my age. Some of what I am experiencing may simply be due to wearing out of body parts. This can very possibly be slowed by using these plans, but probably not turned around. I very much appreciate your comforting words, and realize that the others mean the best for me. Thanks , RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:01:35 +0100 From: d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRuth Don't worry Ruth, it is hard to disregard your doctor's advice, especially when you have had so many problems. I think some have been hard on you (and somewhat insensitive) but I'm sure they mean well in their own way, and are concerned for your health, basically. You can only do what you are comfortable with, and maybe if you try some of the things less likely to cause more problems, then it won't interfere with what your doctor has said, and may even help. I wish you well, whatever you decide to do and I hope your problems get less with each day. Love Dee 'Tis not right, a woman going into such places by herself. Granny nodded. She thoroughly approved of such sentiments so long as there was, of course, no suggestion that they applied to her. -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct
RE: CSCeltic diet
Hi, Wanda, Because many fruits and vegetables don't agree with me, my menus tend to get a little monotonous, but they do change with the seasons. I do not eat any desserts other than fruitl. My fruit choices are cantalope, watermelon ( in season) , bananas, once in awhile a pear. an avocado. I can't eat apples or oranges, grapefruit, etc. I also have trouble with the cabbage family. They cause alot of gas which gets held up in my extra long, floppy large colon. I have a hard boiled egg for breakfast with some oatmeal and various veggies like sweet potato, carrot, beet, green beans, yams. I mostly eat the fruit between main meals. Lunch may be beef, various of the less expensive avieties. I stay away from hamburger, though. a head lettuce or romaine salad with either olive oil or canola oil, brown rice, carrots, beets, sweet potato, potato, zucchini, green beans, squash, a kind of stew of a little of whatever I have on hand. Supper is some kind of fish. I mostly use pollock since it is the least expensive, especially if one buys it by the 10 lb. box. Once in awhile friends bring me some Great Northern which is a real treat. I also use some tuna, salmon, mackerel The last three not often. I have been buying different kinds of squash at our Farmer's Markets this summer . They keep well in my cool basement , even until spring. And I can cook and freeze any that threaten to spoil. I tried some broccoli , just a sprig or two at a meal this past week/. I did get into trouble with gas. Since I live alone, I do not need to cook separate meals for another person or persons. There are many ways to make baked goods that are usually acceptible for celiac patients. I just don't like to bake and the ingredients that are wheat, barley and rye free are usually expensive. I really don't miss all the other things. I cook my veggies with steam either in a big steamer kettle or a double boiler. That way I can warm up foods without overheating them. I usually do the original cooking in the larger steamer. Have some very large beets this fall that have to be done in the steamer. A crockpot would work well, too. I wish I had recipes to share with you. I just enjoy the wonderful flavor of my meat and veggies all by themselves. Go to www.celiac.com for more ideas about how to cook for a celiac patient. Ruth StrackbeinhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:37:11 -0700 From: wanda85...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCeltic diet Hi Folks, For any that is on a celtic diet would mind giving a run though of what you eat throughout the day. Say breakfast, lunch, dinner and any snacks. I'm trying to think what people even eat if they can't have any grains. Do you basically just eat protein, fruits vegtables? TIA, Gail Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last. Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033
RE: CSCeliac or Tourette`s-Help!!
Hi, Marshalee, I have a grandson who had Tourette's Syndrome as a child. He is now in his twenties, and I haven't heard lately, but think he has outgrown it. Will write his mom and see if she has any further input as to his condition now and what they did earlier. I would e-mail him directly, but may not get a prompt answer because he is a graduate student at Yale and works, as well, so has very little time for correspondence. As for Celiac, I thought at one time that I might have that. Have been tested which turned out negative, but found the diet to be a healthy one, so have continued on it for around 4 years. It has not made my digestive problems go away, but suspect they would be even worse were I to go back to eating the way I used to. There is a site I used to go to for that. Will check in my files and get back to you. Ruth StrackbeinhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:15:34 -0600 From: utahpug...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCeliac or Tourette`s-Help!! Dear Silverlist Folks, I just learned that my daughter, who is 32 and mom to 2, has Celiac Disease, and my grandson, her 4 year old, has Tourette`s Syndrome. (His dad also had that but it went away at age 21 or thereabouts.) Does anyone have any experience with either of these, and any suggestions for managing or even healing them? I`m going to their home today to bring them some fresh CS as well as some silver wires, as now she is finally willing to try it! Thanks, Marshalee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct
RE: CSCeliac or Tourette`s-Help!!
htmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/htmlHi again, Marshalee, I have sent an e-mail to my son and daughter-in-law whose son has or has had Tourette's to see what was done for him as a youngster. Will let you know as soon as I hear from them. I also looked up the celiac information, the forum is www.celiac.com. I used to visit this site daily when I was starting the celiac diet. The messages were very helpful. Also there is a Scott Adams who has a store where one can purchase products useful to celiac patients, though I have never used the store. His access info is Scott Adams nore...@gluten-free.com. A specific section of the celiac forum is The Celiac Disease Support Page www.celiac.com or What's New Section: http://www.celiac.com/st-mainhtml?p-catid=1. That seems to be right since it comes up blue. I tend to get mixed up inputting in these long access codes. I hope this information is a help to you. Ruth Strackbein Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:15:34 -0600 From: utahpug...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCeliac or Tourette`s-Help!! Dear Silverlist Folks, I just learned that my daughter, who is 32 and mom to 2, has Celiac Disease, and my grandson, her 4 year old, has Tourette`s Syndrome. (His dad also had that but it went away at age 21 or thereabouts.) Does anyone have any experience with either of these, and any suggestions for managing or even healing them? I`m going to their home today to bring them some fresh CS as well as some silver wires, as now she is finally willing to try it! Thanks, Marshalee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us
RE: CSMagnesium Chloride - Transdermal Therapy
Thanks for all your information, Shiona, I'm afraid these products may be too expensive for me right now. I am leery of things that I have to buy in bulk at large prices. So often it turns out that I can't use these things after all. This one, though sounds so good that I may be tempted to try it. RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:26:05 +0100 From: hyasy...@freenetname.co.uk To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Chloride - Transdermal Therapy ruth strackbein wrote:Hi, I am very interested in the Magnesium Chloride Oil, but on skimming through your post and the information from the address you gave, I see nothing that tells me where to buy Magnesium Chloride Oil or how much it costs. Ruth Hi Ruth, A couple of sites that were recommended and who are both selling the same product at $72 for half a gallon. Global Light Network: http://www.globallight.net/Magnesium-Oil-Half-Gallon.html Ocean Magnesium Products: http://www.oceanmagnesium.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=106 Apparently the Global Light Network product is thought highly of by many people, including Dr Sircus and also another doctor, Carole Dean who wrote The Miracle of Magnesium. However Dr Sircus although previously recommending their product, now recommends a new source of Magnesium oil from Europe which he says is the purest form he's found yet and it will be available in the US in a few months through a company called LL's Magnetic Clay Here's a link to the European Magnesium : http://www.ancientminerals.eu/index1.html http://www.ancientminerals.eu/index1.html and LL's Magnetic Clay : http://www.magneticclay.com/ http://www.magneticclay.com/ http://tinyurl.com/2fwrd5Here's what Dr Sircus had to say on his mailing list about Global Light's Magnesium oil. Magnesium Oil, a solution gathered by salt water evaporation has been our favorite magnesium chloride solution until now. I have been recommending a product from Global Light Network and I have seen it do miracles, even saving the life of my oldest online friend. But recently I have received hints of problems when I was in the interior of Brazil sitting clinic with Dr. Augusto Vinholis. We had ordered a gallon of magnesium oil and what came in the magnesium oil bottle was magnesium gel. Global Light was very unresponsive and seemed not to think it was important. I am aware that Global Light had hired an FDA consultant to put a quality program together, but, instead, after a few months, decided against instituting a full quality assurance program. Without such a program their product does not meet minimum requirements and should be re-filtered before any more is sold. It is disturbing to find problems like this especially in the face of something so necessary and positive in terms of furthering the health and recovery of many people from serious disease. Because of this the IMVA can no longer can no longer reccomend Global Light's products.Shiona -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+worldmkt=en-USform=QBRE
RE: CSMagnesium Chloride - Transdermal Therapy
htmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/htmlHi, I am very interested in the Magnesium Chloride Oil, but on skimming through your post and the information from the address you gave, I see nothing that tells me where to buy Magnesium Chloride Oil or how much it costs. Ruth From: mborg...@att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Chloride - Transdermal Therapy Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:47:22 + Shiona, I take mag oil every day, it does increase energy, makes teeth stronger and just about everything else. Brooks had an excellent article on mag. More info is on mgwater.com. I do have the Doctors book on transdermal Mag Therapy, great reading. Mary -- Original message -- From: Shiona Phillips hyasy...@freenetname.co.uk Over on the http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aboutclay/ list there has been a discussion over the last few days on the subject of transdermal magnesium chloride which involves applying magnesium chloride oil to the skin, which is apparently a very effective way of getting it into the body, using oil derived from brine solutions from seawater. I haven't tried it myself but it looks interesting ...This is the home page of Dr. Mark Sircus, the author of a recommended book Transdermal Magnesium Therapy http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/ There are over 200 published clinical studies[iii] documenting the need for magnesium and many examples of miraculous “cures” from the use of this common mineral. Even DAN (Defeat Autism Now) doctors underestimate autistic children’s needs recommending only 50 milligrams twice a day in oral form. Not much of that is going to get into the children’s blood and cells because oral administration of magnesium is not absorbed readily and is made less available because of all the problems in these kids’ GI systems. Professor Gilbert LeLord of France published six studies evaluating the use of vitamin B6 with magnesium, on autistic children and adults. Their studies typically used as much as 500 milligrams of magnesium with more than satisfactory results. According to Dr. Norman Shealy oral magnesium supplementation takes between 6 to 12 months to restore intracellular levels whereas a transdermally applied magnesium lotion with 25% magnesium chloride restores intracellular levels within 4 to 6 weeks. Some nutritional experts now believe that 750 milligrams of magnesium supplement per day is a more physiologic[iv] recommendation but to take that much orally might upset the digestive system, cause diarrhea, and end up not being properly absorbed.Good sources of magnesium include whole grains, nuts, peanut butter, cottonseed, peanut and soybean flours, green leafy vegetables and spices. It's better to get magnesium from foods rather than supplements because high doses have a laxative effect--the body's way of preventing toxic levels. But unfortunately we have to come to terms with the fact that the food values of magnesium have been dropping over the last fifty years making it extremely difficult to receive all we need from foods. The International Medical Veritas Association recommends a system of transdermal magnesium therapy that bypasses the problems evident with oral magnesium supplementation. (See treatment recommendations) Shiona -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.comAddress Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comThe Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx
RE: CSRe: Heart palpitations
My machine refuses to open this message without my giving a name and a password. How do I get these registered with this site? RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:50:06 -0700 From: ccdire...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Heart palpitations To: silver-list@eskimo.com This forum is for people with irregular heartbeat/ AF. They will go into detail about the different types of magnesium. user : afibbers pw : 2sesame http://www.afibbers.net/forum/list.php?f=6 Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+worldmkt=en-USform=QBRE
RE: CSMAGNESIUM QUESTION and MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE
We were discussing Magnesium Chloride, Ruth S.htmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:44:31 +0100 From: d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMAGNESIUM QUESTION and MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE Sorry all, I haven't been watching this thread to closely, but what is the best form of magnesium to take. Is it magnesium chloride please? Dee ---Original Message--- From: Leslie Date: 24/09/2007 02:34:37 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMAGNESIUM QUESTION and MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE I sent it awhile ago to Smitty. If you don't get it, I'll send to you. Leslie - Original Message - From: Ruth strackbein To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: RE: CSMAGNESIUM QUESTION and MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE Hi, Leslie, I would like to have the lady's name concerning the Magnesium Chloride, Thanks, Ruth S. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us
RE: CSNew File in CS Area
Wayne, My computer tells me that I have to have something called Program Exec to open this file. Is there any way around this? RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html From: p...@zoomnet.netto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: Re: CSNew File in CS AreaDate: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 05:54:50 -0400 Thanks Wayne. I appreciate the file and your other thoughts. Paula - Original Message - From: CWFugitt To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: CSNew File in CS Area This is a file relating the flaws on Scientific Studies.( The one Dr. Pressman posted )http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/Science/It is formatted in Word and will print 3 pages.Prints nicer than most emails and most web pages.Reads easier also than some.The link above should show the folder, one file is there.Click on it to view, download, or save.Wayne Many people would sooner die than think. In fact they do. http://www.miraclemineral.org/Silver file Area... http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/ MDI Subscribe Email mdi_news-subscr...@yahoogroups.com- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.25/1018 - Release Date: 9/19/07 3:59 PM _ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline
RE: CSMAGNESIUM QUESTION and MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE
Hi, Leslie, I would like to have the lady's name concerning the Magnesium Chloride, Thanks, Ruth S.htmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html From: leslie1...@windstream.netto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: Re: CSMAGNESIUM QUESTION and MAGNESIUM CHLORIDEDate: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:14:10 -0500 I got mine thru Clarkson Laboratories in Ca. I'll get that lady's name for you that I talked to if you wish. I got the Magnesium Chloride and it was very reasonable. You get a px break if you order four and it should last. I did as I have a daughter that needs it also and I was told to get it in me right away. Leslie - Original Message - From: ruth strackbein To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: RE: CSMAGNESIUM QUESTION and MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE Hi, What an informative article. I printed it out in its entirety. Where can one get magnesium chloride? I have been using Milk of Magnesia as a laxative on Dr.s orders. Was worried that I have been getting too much magnesium compared to calcium. Looks like it works the other way around. I have had the notion that calcium and magnesium should be taken in equal amounts. Got pills from my chiropractor that had equal amounts of each in each pill. RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html From: m1mar...@aol.comdate: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:02:51 -0400Subject: Re: CSMAGNESIUM QUESTION and MAGNESIUM CHLORIDETo: silver-list@eskimo.com http://www.hippocrates.com.au/magnesium.html Here is an article that bears reading. Ed. See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! Play now! _ More photos; more messages; more whatever – Get MORE with Windows Live™ Hotmail®. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907
RE: CSMAGNESIUM QUESTION and MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE
Hi, again, Leslie, I did get a message about a place to purchase Magnesium chloride from m1mar...@aol.com Is that Smitty's address? Otherwise this is a different site: //www.vitacost.com/Alta-Health-Products-Magnesium-Chloride. If that was ot Smitty's address , then this is a different site and I must have inadvertently erased the message from him. Thanks, RuthS. htmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html From: leslie1...@windstream.netto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: Re: CSMAGNESIUM QUESTION and MAGNESIUM CHLORIDEDate: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:33:30 -0500 I sent it awhile ago to Smitty. If you don't get it, I'll send to you. Leslie - Original Message - From: ruth strackbein To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: RE: CSMAGNESIUM QUESTION and MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE Hi, Leslie, I would like to have the lady's name concerning the Magnesium Chloride, Thanks, Ruth S.htmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html From: leslie1...@windstream.netto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: Re: CSMAGNESIUM QUESTION and MAGNESIUM CHLORIDEDate: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:14:10 -0500 I got mine thru Clarkson Laboratories in Ca. I'll get that lady's name for you that I talked to if you wish. I got the Magnesium Chloride and it was very reasonable. You get a px break if you order four and it should last. I did as I have a daughter that needs it also and I was told to get it in me right away. Leslie - Original Message - From: ruth strackbein To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: RE: CSMAGNESIUM QUESTION and MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE Hi, What an informative article. I printed it out in its entirety. Where can one get magnesium chloride? I have been using Milk of Magnesia as a laxative on Dr.s orders. Was worried that I have been getting too much magnesium compared to calcium. Looks like it works the other way around. I have had the notion that calcium and magnesium should be taken in equal amounts. Got pills from my chiropractor that had equal amounts of each in each pill. RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html From: m1mar...@aol.comdate: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:02:51 -0400Subject: Re: CSMAGNESIUM QUESTION and MAGNESIUM CHLORIDETo: silver-list@eskimo.com http://www.hippocrates.com.au/magnesium.html Here is an article that bears reading. Ed. See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! Play now! More photos; more messages; more whatever – Get MORE with Windows Live™ Hotmail®. NOW with 5GB storage. Get more! _ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us
RE: CSMAGNESIUM QUESTION and MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE
Hi, What an informative article. I printed it out in its entirety. Where can one get magnesium chloride? I have been using Milk of Magnesia as a laxative on Dr.s orders. Was worried that I have been getting too much magnesium compared to calcium. Looks like it works the other way around. I have had the notion that calcium and magnesium should be taken in equal amounts. Got pills from my chiropractor that had equal amounts of each in each pill. RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html From: m1mar...@aol.comdate: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:02:51 -0400Subject: Re: CSMAGNESIUM QUESTION and MAGNESIUM CHLORIDETo: silver-list@eskimo.com http://www.hippocrates.com.au/magnesium.html Here is an article that bears reading. Ed. See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. _ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink
RE: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine
John, I have been diagnosed as having IBS, irritable bowel Syndrome. It seems to me that this is one of those umbrella ' terms that are used when no one can really come up with an explanation that fits all cases. Kind of like ADHD, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. I think such terminology has a certain usefulness , since without some kind of a title, how are we going to refer to a bunch of symptoms that have some similarities, but also wide variations. My IBS symptoms are almost completely right sided, leading my doctor to think that they may be due to adhesions from my three abdominal surgeries. I am inclined to agree with him to some extent. On Monday I saw another surgeon whose practice involves the colon surgery that has been suggested. This man, like the first surgeon I saw, prefers to try other treatments first. So he provided me with a different plan of procedure to get my colon moving, than that of the first surgeon I saw. Note, that both men are not quick to slice me up as someone else said.. That is only a last resort. This second surgeon's directions will be easier to follow and involve somewhat different medications than the first one. I am also working with a naturopath who uses something called an Ondamed machine to locate areasof trouble in a person's body. I am using 10 preparations designed to bolster my body's immune system, and correct some suspected problems. If you google Ondamed, you will find out more about that. Ruth htmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:37:03 +0100 From: bollyb...@yahoo.co.uk To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine--On 18 September 2007 19:38:55 -0500 ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, Faith, I have long wished I could take more Vitamin C, especially since I have trouble with citrus fruits. It and they, make the sore place under my right center ribcage burn like fire. HI Ruth: In Asia, IRS tends to differ slightly in symptoms to the west , with greater frequency of irritation higher up in the abdomen. IRS varies a good deal. I'm sure you know this. Not only does IRS vary, but causes are thought to be 'unclear'. It is an epidemic in the West, has been for quite some time, and increasingly so in newly developed Asian economies. Changes in the way we eat are said to account for the epidemic. Differences in gut flora are thought to account for differences in symptoms. Earlier in your posts you spoke about a troubled gut you were born with, I seem to remember. I don't know, but are you suggesting it is an inherited constitutional thing with you? WHat's your take on this, as relates to you? Regards, John. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink
RE: Re[2]: CSLugol's
Hi, Leslie, Yes, we have a great God! Our Jesus not only did miracles and showed compassion to the poor, but He lived a perfect life for us, since we can't, and took the punishment for our sins as he died on the cross. Then he rose from the dead proving that he really is who he says he is! I know this will probably get snipped. I suspect that you believe this , too. I need to trust him more , too, because I too am a worrier and this contributes to our physical problems as we both know. Ruth S.htmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html From: leslie1...@windstream.netto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: Re: Re[2]: CSLugol'sDate: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:24:21 -0500 Yep, got a great big GOD; just need to trust HIM more. And I am speaking to myself as I tend to be a worrier; gotta cut that out. Leslie - Original Message - From: Kurt Milkowski To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: CSLugol's Hey Guy's, Very happy to see we can say that Jesus Christ is healing us here on this list!! Trying to figure out the problem with Jesus. Lets see; feeding the hungry, healing the sick, giving the blind sight, washing feet, don't see a problem yet do you? Kurtfaith gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: Dear Leslie: You were not talking to me, but that was a lovely thing for you to say and I appreciated it. thank you. Faith - Original Message - From: Leslie To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: CSLugol's There has to be a way as I am a believer in Jesus and healing. I do natural things but have been healed. Don't lose faith and I am here to encourage whenever you want. Leslie - Original Message - From: Kurt Milkowski To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:16 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: CSLugol's Hey Leslie! Sure, lyme is a multi-bacterial, viral, mycoplasmic infection that is used to destroy your immune system. It really is more of a bacterial aids, from what I've uncovered, those who already have lyme are the ones who rapidly decline after contractind aids. I am pretty sure most people have heard of, MS, Parkinson's, Alzhiemers, ALS[Lou Gehrig's] Lupus, Crohn's disease, just to name a few. These are really the end results of lyme disease. I had Parkinson's last year, along with many other ailments. Feel pretty good right now, but as Sasha can tell you you have good and bad days. Thats the brief explanation, let me know if youd like to know more. KurtLeslie leslie1...@windstream.net wrote: Hello Kurt! I have heard of Lyme Disease but do not know just what it is. Perhaps you can give us a little explanation re Lyme Disease.Thanks,Leslie- Original Message - From: S-Max To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:44 PMSubject: Re: Re[2]: CSLugol's Well, that it might my friend! Allow me to introduce Kurt Milkowski folks. He is 'good' people, and one of my fellow long time buddies on Lymestrategies where we strive to end our battle with Lyme Disease. I invited Kurt to join us here on the Silver-list as I knew he would enjoy your friendship, your knowledge, and your good humor, as I am sure you will his. S-Max P.S. Kurt, I am using Atomidine instead. One drop per day in 8 oz. of juice or water. It is power packed and from the Cayce group. Haven't seen a reply from Tel yet, but I assume it would be okay to show off his Lugols and website at Lymestrategies. ---Original Message--- From: Kurt Milkowski Date: 9/17/2007 6:07:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: CSLugol's Hey Sash, Would that be our little ol group? Are you using the lugols Sasha? Never asked you over there? Kurt S-Max wrote: Tel, I would like to share your website with a Lyme group that I am in. They use a lot of Lugols. I would imagine that sharing your website would be okay with you. Let me know, okay? S-Max ---Original Message--- From: Tel Tofflemire Date: 09/17/07 10:14:00 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: CSLugol's Zoe, That is all true what you wrote, How ever I have a license to sell products including Lugols at 5% full strength. Shipping on large amounts is costly because it is a Hazmat concern about breakage and staining orher shipping in same load. http://www.quailwoodherbal.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour _ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us
RE: CSShirley
htmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html Hi , I tried to listen to this, but am getting quite hard of hearing so could not understand much of it. Of course, I know the Psalm and its message is wonderful, especially in the light of the rest of the Bible and its teachings. I hear that people are talking but often cannot understand theindividual words even with my hearing aids turned up as highas they go. Ruth From: jitte...@gis.netto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: Re: CSShirleyDate: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:43:37 -0400 You are welcome. Adorable it is. Faith - Original Message - From: Carl Deb Charter To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Re: CSShirley Thanks for sharing this!! It's adorable!! Deb - Original Message - From: faith gagne To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: CSShirley This is too cute. I watch it over and over. Turn up your sound. Faith http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=9e7c4b40cf5a13cea6ca No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1015 - Release Date: 9/18/2007 11:53 AM _ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us
RE: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine
Hi Dee, Where do you buy the Higher Nature, True Food Version? RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:18:59 +0100 From: d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine You don't have to have citrus fruits to have vit C Ruth. It is in all sorts of things like sprouts and cabbage, but you would probably have a problem with these too. What about a whole food supplement like Higher Nature do a Truefood version. This is the one I get because my husband can't take capsules and has a bit of a 'dodgy' system too. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Ruth strackbein Date: 19/09/2007 01:40:21 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine Hi, Faith, I have long wished I could take more Vitamin C, especially since I have trouble with citrus fruits. It and they, make the sore place under my right center ribcage burn like fire. I should really look for some buffered C of a natural sort like acerola berries, etc. My chiropractor has me working on using mainly diet to strengthen my immune system. Have started eating cantalope for Vitamin C,-- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us
RE: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine
Thanks, Dee, I plan to check this out. RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:25:59 +0100From: d...@deetroy.orgto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: RE: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine http://www.highernature.co.uk this is where I get mine from Ruth. I find their Truefood products very much easier to assimilate and so does my husband who, as I said, has a somewhat 'dodgy' system. Dee ---Original Message--- From: ruth strackbein Date: 19/09/2007 19:14:57 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine Hi Dee, Where do you buy the Higher Nature, True Food Version? RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html ---Original Message--- _ More photos; more messages; more whatever – Get MORE with Windows Live™ Hotmail®. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907attachment: faint_grain.jpg
RE: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine
htmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/htmlHi, Because I may need to resort to surgery in order to get relief from day today struggles with my digestive tract which are greatlyinfluenced by the nature of my colon, probably things I was born with, I am preparing to seek the services of a surgeon. However, I had a preliminary appointment with him yesterday at which he recommended a different approach with medications than I have been using. I am to try this for a month, along with my Ondamed preparations. Then we will see how things are going and decide on further steps. He doesn't want to slice me up any more than I want to be sliced up unless we have tried different approaches to my problems. If nothing works, I plan to opt for the surgery . The other surgeon was against it because of my age. But my daughter reminded this man that I have been troubled with this condition for many years and it is getting much worse to deal with. I could live as long as ten years more or so, Lord-willing. If I can be relatively free of my colon problems, that would indeed be a blessing. I am fully aware that there may be other problems. You will note that I am also pursuing natural means of treatment as well. Thanks for your concern. Ruth From: dianne_fra...@hotmail.comto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: Re: CSRe: Potassium / IodineDate: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:24:39 -0400 A friend told me when I first ventured into the natural concept is that you go to the type of doctor you want. If you go to a medical doctor you get meds; surgeon you get surgery and so forth. Think she might have had a point. If you go to a natural doctor he is going to try and fix what is wrong not symptoms. Both and all have their place and time. I just no longer give them the power to make the decision for me since I am going to be the one to live with any consequences. D - Original Message - From: Simon Jester To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:39 PM Subject: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine Have an appointment on Monday to see a different surgeon about possible colon surgery. He is closer to home and was in favor of the surgery back in January when he did some testing for me.Let me get this straight...You went to a surgeon who actually was in favor of slicing and dicing you...Wow... who'da thunk it.--The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orgTo post, address your message to: silver-l...@eskimo.comaddress Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comthe Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ More photos; more messages; more whatever – Get MORE with Windows Live™ Hotmail®. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907
RE: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine
Hi, Nancy, Raw food just isn't an option for me at present. My problem is constipation rather than diarrhea. My colon what with aging and physical structure of the organ which has affected me all my life. I have used a wheat free, completely celiac type diet even though I have not been diagnosed with celiac disease. This has been for nearly 4 years now. This colon simply doesn't move anything along in any sort of an orderly fashion. If you could see the X-ray taken in May, you would see that it does not look at all like the pictures in the health books and encyclopedias. The doctors are quite sure there is no cancer involved. Have had several colonoscopies in the past couple of years. My doctor says the surgeon who does my colonoscopies really earns his pay. Sometimes I wonder, if it is so hard to get through my colon with his flexible instrument, maybe these procedures have contributed to the overall problem. I eat a rather limited diet already, have already eliminated citrus fruits, cabbage family, apples which has always given me trouble, I eat only vegetables that I steam in a double boiler which helps control amount of heat. I eat no ketchup or other condiments, no sugar , no baked goods. No tomatoes. I do eat potatoes occasionally, but am wondering about that whole family. I do eat bananas, which are probably constipating, but they agree with my upper digestive tract. Whatever works to help the large colon often bothers the organs in the upper digestive tract. The surgery would probably not help the upper problems, but could make things better in the lower tract. I am trying a approach with the surgeon I saw yesterday. I hope this one helps. Thanks for your help and I will check out the site you suggested. Im glad that you have found a solution to your IBS. Ruth htmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html From: winie...@pacifier.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:11:00 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com I ended my IBS by identifying wheat and cooked (but not raw) tomatoes as problems. There may be other foods as well but these are the ones I know. Keeping a record and eliminating foods or starting with a very limited number and subtracting or adding one at a time might help. I know a couple of people wrote books about overcoming colon cancer with a raw food diet. Eating raw food exclusively might really help. Here is a site that would have lots of info- http://www.hacres.com/home/home.asp Nancy On Sep 18, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Dianne France wrote: Ruth I don't know what kind of trouble you are having but back in 2000 I couldn't even leave the house due to IBS. That was when my friend started pointing me in the natural direction. She supplied me with Kefir and Kombucha (both fermented natural products) that helped digestion and started eliminating foods to see what I might be having problems. Found my body wasn't digesting wheat or eggs. Both sent me running. Problems might arise when I eat out no matter how careful.I continue to add a digest aid when I eat and thankfully am able to lead a normal life again. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline
RE: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine
Hi, again, Nancy, I just reread your message and realized I didn't speak about my use of fermented foods. Have used yogurt, kefir , can't think of the name of the other one. I got some curds from my daughter and got raw milk from a local farmer. That gave me diarrhea. I thought I was getting along fine with it, but all of a sudden had to spend all day in the bathroom. That is how my colon acts. It tends to store up food, medicine etc. and then all of a sudden it all comes. It is not uncontrollable , fortunately, but not good. RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html From: dianne_fra...@hotmail.comto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: Re: CSRe: Potassium / IodineDate: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:50:25 -0400 Ruth I don't know what kind of trouble you are having but back in 2000 I couldn't even leave the house due to IBS. That was when my friend started pointing me in the natural direction. She supplied me with Kefir and Kombucha (both fermented natural products) that helped digestion and started eliminating foods to see what I might be having problems. Found my body wasn't digesting wheat or eggs. Both sent me running. Problems might arise when I eat out no matter how careful. I continue to add a digest aid when I eat and thankfully am able to lead a normal life again. Am just now beginning to enjoy my horses again and life is good. Dianne - Original Message - From: ruth strackbein To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:33 PM Subject: RE: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine htmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/htmlHi, Because I may need to resort to surgery in order to get relief from day today struggles with my digestive tract which are greatlyinfluenced by the nature of my colon, probably things I was born with, I am preparing to seek the services of a surgeon. However, I had a preliminary appointment with him yesterday at which he recommended a different approach with medications than I have been using. I am to try this for a month, along with my Ondamed preparations. Then we will see how things are going and decide on further steps. He doesn't want to slice me up any more than I want to be sliced up unless we have tried different approaches to my problems. If nothing works, I plan to opt for the surgery . The other surgeon was against it because of my age. But my daughter reminded this man that I have been troubled with this condition for many years and it is getting much worse to deal with. I could live as long as ten years more or so, Lord-willing. If I can be relatively free of my colon problems, that would indeed be a blessing. I am fully aware that there may be other problems. You will note that I am also pursuing natural means of treatment as well. Thanks for your concern. Ruth From: dianne_fra...@hotmail.comto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: Re: CSRe: Potassium / IodineDate: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:24:39 -0400 A friend told me when I first ventured into the natural concept is that you go to the type of doctor you want. If you go to a medical doctor you get meds; surgeon you get surgery and so forth. Think she might have had a point. If you go to a natural doctor he is going to try and fix what is wrong not symptoms. Both and all have their place and time. I just no longer give them the power to make the decision for me since I am going to be the one to live with any consequences. D - Original Message - From: Simon Jester To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:39 PM Subject: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine Have an appointment on Monday to see a different surgeon about possible colon surgery. He is closer to home and was in favor of the surgery back in January when he did some testing for me.Let me get this straight...You went to a surgeon who actually was in favor of slicing and dicing you...Wow... who'da thunk it.--The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orgTo post, address your message to: silver-l...@eskimo.comaddress Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comthe Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com More photos; more messages; more whatever – Get MORE with Windows Live™ Hotmail®. NOW with 5GB storage. Get more! _ Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It’s our way of saying thanks for using Windows Live™. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2
RE: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine
Hi, John, I will certainly get some coconut oil next time I get to town, although my trouble is mostly constipation, lately I have to use an enema almost every day to keep things in motion. Don't know about the fennel , I am already putting so many new things in there, yesterday and today the spot under my right ribcage that is always sore to touch, hurts all the time. I am using a fiber medicine called Fiberzon which is a mixture of a number of herbs, any one of which, may give me trouble. Another has a vinegar base because most people as they age develop a tendency to not have suffiecient acid to properly digest food. But this burning pain is worrisome. This evening I didn't take the vinegar one. Will wait and see. The products I am taking are the result of an Ondamed treatment given me by a naturopath who specializes in this. Other members of my family have tried this with good results. If you are interested in finding out more about Ondamed, just put the name into the search box on Yahoo and you will get information. Thanks, RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:45:14 +0100 From: bollyb...@yahoo.co.uk To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine HI, coconut oil (virgin) is known to be excellent for gut disease, with irs composition and mechanisms well studied. Together with some fasting and as you mention kefir (or good yoghurt), certain spices like fennel help because they reduce disease, and as part of your diet, keep it down. 'ZApping' gut disease is perhaps impossible. Ayurvedics say it takes 4 years for an adult to rid themselves of chronic gut diseases. (Ayurveda specialises in gut disease). Here is some testimony , with link (no~-commercial, more or less): http://www.coconutdiet.com/digestive_disorders.htm I've been using coconut oil about a month now, 2 tsp. per day. Mix it in anything possible or just throw it on top of pizza slices. I have IBS and am a compulsive overeater. Within a short time of taking it, I realized I was no longer wanting food. In the past month I have lost 5 lbs. and just as many inches. Instead of being a computer potato, I am up and about, doing thingsjust have so much more energy. The biggest change is the IBS. Instead of the runs now, I almost need laxatives. *laughing* It's been since my early 20's that I've felt this wayI'm 42 now. Coconut oil is fantastic! JOhn --On 18 September 2007 16:50:25 -0400 Dianne France dianne_fra...@hotmail.com wrote:Ruth I don't know what kind of trouble you are having but back in 2000 I couldn't even leave the house due to IBS. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ More photos; more messages; more whatever – Get MORE with Windows Live™ Hotmail®. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907
RE: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine
Hi, Faith, I have long wished I could take more Vitamin C, especially since I have trouble with citrus fruits. It and they, make the sore place under my right center ribcage burn like fire. I should really look for some buffered C of a natural sort like acerola berries, etc. My chiropractor has me working on using mainly diet to strengthen my immune system. Have started eating cantalope for Vitamin C, I have been doing that for awhile. I also get some in my multivitamin, but that is a relatively cheap drugstore variety. Have to work within a fairly low budget. These new ondamed treatment products are going to take some careful balancing. I have in the past read things by Linus Pauling, but not for some time. Should get a book from the library and read up again. Thanks for your input, Faith, I appreciate all that folks put out to try to help and do not mean to be negative. RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html From: jitte...@gis.netto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: Re: CSRe: Potassium / IodineDate: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:22:29 -0400 Ruth: Have you read Dr. Linus Pauling on constipation and Vitamin C? The only side effect from too much Vitamin C is diarrhea. Have you ever tried Vitamin C in large amounts daily? Pure ascorbic vitamin C 1000 mg. tablets. Take 3 or 4 tablets in the morning before breakfast and see if it helps. If it doesn't help, try more at lunch time. I dunno. I am not a doctor but I know my limit on Vitamin C. Faith - Original Message - From: ruth strackbein To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 7:04 PM Subject: RE: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine Hi, Nancy, Raw food just isn't an option for me at present. My problem is constipation rather than diarrhea. My colon what with aging and physical structure of the organ which has affected me all my life. I have used a wheat free, completely celiac type diet even though I have not been diagnosed with celiac disease. This has been for nearly 4 years now. This colon simply doesn't move anything along in any sort of an orderly fashion. If you could see the X-ray taken in May, you would see that it does not look at all like the pictures in the health books and encyclopedias. The doctors are quite sure there is no cancer involved. Have had several colonoscopies in the past couple of years. My doctor says the surgeon who does my colonoscopies really earns his pay. Sometimes I wonder, if it is so hard to get through my colon with his flexible instrument, maybe these procedures have contributed to the overall problem. I eat a rather limited diet already, have already eliminated citrus fruits, cabbage family, apples which has always given me trouble, I eat only vegetables that I steam in a double boiler which helps control amount of heat. I eat no ketchup or other condiments, no sugar , no baked goods. No tomatoes. I do eat potatoes occasionally, but am wondering about that whole family. I do eat bananas, which are probably constipating, but they agree with my upper digestive tract. Whatever works to help the large colon often bothers the organs in the upper digestive tract. The surgery would probably not help the upper problems, but could make things better in the lower tract. I am trying a approach with the surgeon I saw yesterday. I hope this one helps. Thanks for your help and I will check out the site you suggested. Im glad that you have found a solution to your IBS. Ruth htmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html From: winie...@pacifier.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Potassium / Iodine Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:11:00 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com I ended my IBS by identifying wheat and cooked (but not raw) tomatoes as problems. There may be other foods as well but these are the ones I know. Keeping a record and eliminating foods or starting with a very limited number and subtracting or adding one at a time might help. I know a couple of people wrote books about overcoming colon cancer with a raw food diet. Eating raw food exclusively might really help. Here is a site that would have lots of info- http://www.hacres.com/home/home.asp Nancy On Sep 18, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Dianne France wrote: Ruth I don't know what kind of trouble you are having but back in 2000 I couldn't even leave the house due to IBS. That was when my friend started pointing me in the natural direction. She supplied me with Kefir and Kombucha (both fermented natural products) that helped digestion and started eliminating foods to see what I might be having problems. Found my body wasn't digesting wheat or eggs. Both sent me running. Problems might arise when I eat out no matter how careful.I continue to add a digest aid when I eat and thankfully am able to lead a normal life again. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http
RE: CSstomach to ruth
Hi, Zeb, I think my intestines just get kinks sometimes and they gradually loosen up and relax, but form again maybe even in different places. I just know that in the 1950's an x-ray was taken that showed a spot like two funnels with the short ends stuck together, the wide ends filled with , presumably gas or air. They did eventually relax. Except for the one x-ray I have no way of telling if this happens continually or not. I am just guessing from the way my colon works, (or doesn't!]. I am truly hoping that this plan the surgeon I saw yesterday recommended, will truly help. He was much more specific in his instructions than the previous one. I am to make an appointment to see him again in a month. Meanwhile, I can call the clinic and give him a message anytime. Prayerfully , this plan will help. Thanks for your understanding and encouragement, Zeb, I appreciate it. RuthhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:29:50 -0700From: jamaki...@yahoo.comto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: CSstomach to ruthRuth do you actually have kinks in your intestines? A gastro doctor told me that people who have had multiple surgeries in the abdominal area frequently develop adhesions,kinks and scar tissue that lead to abnormal twists in the intestines making colonoscopys somewhat difficult. I think and agree with you that even the continual invasion of the test itself can be upsetting to the stomach and can possibly scar it. YOur rib pain sounds like it is possibly from liver troubles. Have you had any recent scans(ultra sound) to check for this? Some soothing herbs you might try would be slippery elm and DGL. They are very easy and safe on the digestive tract. Your problem sounds like it is very difficult and I Know it is not easy to have an ailment that does not respond to the normal courses of action that one usually responds to.At least you have tried to explore other options before rushing into surgery Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. _ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink
RE: CSPotassium / Iodine
Hi, Tad, Thanks for the message re Thyroid. I am concerned about my thyroid levels which are within normal levels according to the Dr., but some areas, just barely. Have since had the T4 test which also came back normal. Also had the Dr. check my carotid arteries in my neck since I had an ondamed machine test recently which indicated that there may be trouble there. Dr. just says there is nothing he can do unless unmistakable physical symptoms arise. Why in the world do we always have to wait until we are in dire trouble before attempting to get help? I am taking 10 different digestive tract meds for a week now. Since the Ondamed treatment, I have had higher energy levels, but the digestive tract is not responding so far. Have an appointment on Monday to see a different surgeon about possible colon surgery. He is closer to home and was in favor of the surgery back in January when he did some testing for me. I will not make a decision on the spot however. The other surgeon is farther away and does not want to do the surgery because he says I am too old. More another time. Ruth StrackbeinhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html From: winie...@pacifier.com Subject: CSPotassium / Iodine Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:25:38 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Ruth- your symptoms are on a list of symptoms of Hashimoto's autoimmune disease of the Thyroid- http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hashimotos-disease/DS00567/DSECTION=2 Signs and symptoms Hashimoto's disease does not have unique signs and symptoms. The disease typically progresses slowly over a number of years and causes chronic thyroid damage, leading to a drop in thyroid hormone levels in your blood. The signs and symptoms, if any, are those of an underactive thyroid gland (hypothyroidism). The signs and symptoms of hypothyroidism vary widely, depending on the severity of hormone deficiency. At first, you may barely notice any symptoms, such as fatigue and sluggishness, or you may simply attribute them to getting older. But as the disease progresses, you may develop more obvious signs and symptoms, including: ▪ Increased sensitivity to cold ▪ Constipation ▪ Pale, dry skin ▪ A puffy face ▪ Hoarse voice ▪ An elevated blood cholesterol level ▪ Unexplained weight gain — occurring infrequently and rarely more than 10 to 20 pounds, most of which is fluid ▪ Muscle aches, tenderness and stiffness, especially in your shoulders and hips ▪ Pain and stiffness in your joints and swelling in your knees or the small joints in your hands and feet ▪ Muscle weakness, especially in your lower extremities ▪ Excessive or prolonged menstrual bleeding (menorrhagia) ▪ Depression I was just reading on Hashimoto's as my neighbor has it. Perhaps the synthetic hormone you are getting is not fully eliminating symptoms. I am wondering if your taking iodine is a conflict with your prescription medicine. Also I seem to remember someone who had very little Thyroxin release after having radiation treatment reporting benefit from taking thyroid glandulars, which would be the gland from an animal source. I have no actual experience with this so cannot advise, but you could google and do research. Nancy On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:58 PM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: From: Ruth Bertella Today my aches seem to be spreading through my shins and arms to my knees And elbows. Any suggestions of research I could look into and/or info to Arm myself to use at the Dr. Appointment would be greatly appreciated!! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It’s our way of saying thanks for using Windows Live™. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2
RE: CSPotassium / Iodine
Hi, Nancy, I am not sure what parts of your message below are meant for me and what parts for someone else. I am not taking any prescription medications. The 10 preparations I am using are the result of being tested and treated with an Omdamed machine. They are all meant to help my digestion. Will write more about this sometime next week as this weekend and Monday will be very busy. Thanks, Ruth Strackbein. Using my full name as there is more than one Ruth using Eskimo.htmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html From: ruthstrackb...@hotmail.comto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: RE: CSPotassium / IodineDate: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:36:57 -0500 Hi, Tad, Thanks for the message re Thyroid. I am concerned about my thyroid levels which are within normal levels according to the Dr., but some areas, just barely. Have since had the T4 test which also came back normal. Also had the Dr. check my carotid arteries in my neck since I had an ondamed machine test recently which indicated that there may be trouble there. Dr. just says there is nothing he can do unless unmistakable physical symptoms arise. Why in the world do we always have to wait until we are in dire trouble before attempting to get help? I am taking 10 different digestive tract meds for a week now. Since the Ondamed treatment, I have had higher energy levels, but the digestive tract is not responding so far. Have an appointment on Monday to see a different surgeon about possible colon surgery. He is closer to home and was in favor of the surgery back in January when he did some testing for me. I will not make a decision on the spot however. The other surgeon is farther away and does not want to do the surgery because he says I am too old. More another time. Ruth StrackbeinhtmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html From: winie...@pacifier.com Subject: CSPotassium / Iodine Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:25:38 -0700 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Ruth- your symptoms are on a list of symptoms of Hashimoto's autoimmune disease of the Thyroid- http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hashimotos-disease/DS00567/DSECTION=2 Signs and symptoms Hashimoto's disease does not have unique signs and symptoms. The disease typically progresses slowly over a number of years and causes chronic thyroid damage, leading to a drop in thyroid hormone levels in your blood. The signs and symptoms, if any, are those of an underactive thyroid gland (hypothyroidism). The signs and symptoms of hypothyroidism vary widely, depending on the severity of hormone deficiency. At first, you may barely notice any symptoms, such as fatigue and sluggishness, or you may simply attribute them to getting older. But as the disease progresses, you may develop more obvious signs and symptoms, including: ▪ Increased sensitivity to cold ▪ Constipation ▪ Pale, dry skin ▪ A puffy face ▪ Hoarse voice ▪ An elevated blood cholesterol level ▪ Unexplained weight gain — occurring infrequently and rarely more than 10 to 20 pounds, most of which is fluid ▪ Muscle aches, tenderness and stiffness, especially in your shoulders and hips ▪ Pain and stiffness in your joints and swelling in your knees or the small joints in your hands and feet ▪ Muscle weakness, especially in your lower extremities ▪ Excessive or prolonged menstrual bleeding (menorrhagia) ▪ Depression I was just reading on Hashimoto's as my neighbor has it. Perhaps the synthetic hormone you are getting is not fully eliminating symptoms. I am wondering if your taking iodine is a conflict with your prescription medicine. Also I seem to remember someone who had very little Thyroxin release after having radiation treatment reporting benefit from taking thyroid glandulars, which would be the gland from an animal source. I have no actual experience with this so cannot advise, but you could google and do research. Nancy On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:58 PM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: From: Ruth Bertella Today my aches seem to be spreading through my shins and arms to my knees And elbows. Any suggestions of research I could look into and/or info to Arm myself to use at the Dr. Appointment would be greatly appreciated!! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Gear up for Halo® 3 and get a $25 Best Buy gift card. It’s our way of saying thanks for using Windows Live™. Get it now! _ Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It’s our way of saying thanks for using Windows Live™. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid
Re: CSSore throat
Hi, Smitty, Have been to see an Omdamed practioner. Went with son and daughter-in-law. I do feel more energetic since the trreatment. Am taking part of the medication suggested. Some of it hasn't arrived yet. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSore throat Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:12:58 -0500 Thanks, Smitty, This is more comprehensive information than I have received before from my son and daughter-in-law about what actually happens in an ondamed session. Will be having an appointment with the practitioner in Eagan on Tuesday. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Smitty papad...@gmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSore throat Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:08:49 -1000 Here's some info on the machine = http://www.ondamed.net/publication/html/en/article06.html Smitty ~~~ On 8/18/07, ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi,Kirsteen, Thanks. I am stillhoping to avoid the surgery by some means or other. Have an appointment made for me by my daughter in law who has a form of cancer that does not respond to chemo. This alternative health practitioner uses something called an omdemed machine to identify areas in the body where there is trouble. I am not sure of the spelling of the name of the machine. Maybe Omdamed, We go there on Tuesday . This is very expensive, but have decided to dip into savings and try it out. don't want to leave any stones unturned. Will post a follow-up sometime next week. Cheers, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSore throat Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:56:42 +0100 On 8/18/07, ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com wrote: I hope that the others know to skip my messages if they find the content too gross. Cheers, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein Ruth I would never skip your messages. I've consistently found you to be polite, dignified and upbeat. I really wish you well and hope you find the improvement you need. Cheers Kirsteen -- But ye gotta know *where* ye're just gonna rush in. Ye cannae just rush in *anywhere*. It looks bad, havin' to rush oout again straight awa'. -- Feegle tactics (Terry Pratchett, The Wee Free Men) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 _ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 _ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/
Re: CSIodine
Thanks, Will check out the site you have mentioned, sounds promising. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSIodine Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:22:10 -0500 Ruth, I had all the symptoms of underactive thyroid for years, but it was really a reaction to toxins- that is one of the ways the body reacts to toxins. My particular one was mold. Some people have the same problem from Post Lyme Disease syndrome, and many other toxins there are around. check out Dr Shoemaker's site for some reading on the subject if you feel like it- the sidebar on the left has links to different causes for the symptoms. maybe you will recognize your symptoms there. www.chronicneurotoxins.com On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:19 PM, ruth strackbein wrote: Thanks, Ransley. Guess I have the same feeling about all the things I have done. It is hard to keep track of what intervention really helped and I can't afford to keep up with everything. I will check out the Magnascent. I really do think my thyroid is underactive from my symptoms, but the medical Dr. says not according to the numbers from the tests and I have now had the entire battery. On the other hand, if the doc would try to treat it, the meds he would use might well work against me. I would wonder about thyroid prescriptions. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: ransley rans...@atmc.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSIodine Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:18:29 -0400 Ruth wrote: Is there an iodine therapy for an under active thyroid that works for any of you? Magnascent has been incredibly stimulating to my entire system. It has literally made my thyroid gland feel like it's crawling around in my throat. I have to back off if it every once in a while because of that. It has given me strength and stamina like nothing else has, BUT, I've taken, done, take and do so many things that all those things may have just paved the way for my results. Many things that have happened to me from taking Magnascent can be explained by endocrine system stimulation, but the one thing I am at a loss to understand is why it made my knees so much stronger. Daddybob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more .then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2ss=yp.bars~yp.pizza~yp.movie%20theatercp=42.358996~-71.056691style=rlvl=13tilt=-90dir=0alt=-1000scene=950607encType=1FORM=MGAC01
RE: CSIodine
Thanks, Ransley. Guess I have the same feeling about all the things I have done. It is hard to keep track of what intervention really helped and I can't afford to keep up with everything. I will check out the Magnascent. I really do think my thyroid is underactive from my symptoms, but the medical Dr. says not according to the numbers from the tests and I have now had the entire battery. On the other hand, if the doc would try to treat it, the meds he would use might well work against me. I would wonder about thyroid prescriptions. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: ransley rans...@atmc.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSIodine Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:18:29 -0400 Ruth wrote: Is there an iodine therapy for an under active thyroid that works for any of you? Magnascent has been incredibly stimulating to my entire system. It has literally made my thyroid gland feel like it's crawling around in my throat. I have to back off if it every once in a while because of that. It has given me strength and stamina like nothing else has, BUT, I've taken, done, take and do so many things that all those things may have just paved the way for my results. Many things that have happened to me from taking Magnascent can be explained by endocrine system stimulation, but the one thing I am at a loss to understand is why it made my knees so much stronger. Daddybob No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: 8/27/2007 6:20 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink
Re: CSSore throat
Thanks, Smitty, This is more comprehensive information than I have received before from my son and daughter-in-law about what actually happens in an ondamed session. Will be having an appointment with the practitioner in Eagan on Tuesday. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Smitty papad...@gmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSore throat Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:08:49 -1000 Here's some info on the machine = http://www.ondamed.net/publication/html/en/article06.html Smitty ~~~ On 8/18/07, ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi,Kirsteen, Thanks. I am stillhoping to avoid the surgery by some means or other. Have an appointment made for me by my daughter in law who has a form of cancer that does not respond to chemo. This alternative health practitioner uses something called an omdemed machine to identify areas in the body where there is trouble. I am not sure of the spelling of the name of the machine. Maybe Omdamed, We go there on Tuesday . This is very expensive, but have decided to dip into savings and try it out. don't want to leave any stones unturned. Will post a follow-up sometime next week. Cheers, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSore throat Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:56:42 +0100 On 8/18/07, ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com wrote: I hope that the others know to skip my messages if they find the content too gross. Cheers, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein Ruth I would never skip your messages. I've consistently found you to be polite, dignified and upbeat. I really wish you well and hope you find the improvement you need. Cheers Kirsteen -- But ye gotta know *where* ye're just gonna rush in. Ye cannae just rush in *anywhere*. It looks bad, havin' to rush oout again straight awa'. -- Feegle tactics (Terry Pratchett, The Wee Free Men) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 _ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2
Re: CSSore throat
Hi,Kirsteen, Thanks. I am stillhoping to avoid the surgery by some means or other. Have an appointment made for me by my daughter in law who has a form of cancer that does not respond to chemo. This alternative health practitioner uses something called an omdemed machine to identify areas in the body where there is trouble. I am not sure of the spelling of the name of the machine. Maybe Omdamed, We go there on Tuesday . This is very expensive, but have decided to dip into savings and try it out. don't want to leave any stones unturned. Will post a follow-up sometime next week. Cheers, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSore throat Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:56:42 +0100 On 8/18/07, ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com wrote: I hope that the others know to skip my messages if they find the content too gross. Cheers, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein Ruth I would never skip your messages. I've consistently found you to be polite, dignified and upbeat. I really wish you well and hope you find the improvement you need. Cheers Kirsteen -- But ye gotta know *where* ye're just gonna rush in. Ye cannae just rush in *anywhere*. It looks bad, havin' to rush oout again straight awa'. -- Feegle tactics (Terry Pratchett, The Wee Free Men) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2
Re: CSSore throat
Hi, Sol, About the dry mouth, actually my mouth doesn't just feel dry, rather it feels like there is something adhering to the inner tissues. It isn't like just needing a drink of water, and drinking water doesn't take it away. It gradually fades. I was interested in the article recently posted about negative side of CS. My doctor is cautioning me about using it internally because there are folks out there who say silver does build up in one's system. I mainly use a small amount when I feel like I might be coming down with something. The feeling never develops into a cold, but then I have had very few colds in the past few years and none that required an antibiotic. I am sure I would prefer constipation over diarrhea. And diarrhea is what the doctors say I may well have if I have the surgery. The thing is that the leftovers would be coming directly from the small intestine if I had the total removal. My rectum would be left intact, but nearly all of the waste material would go into the bag. There could be a few times a year when I would pass some rectally, I am told. The gastroenterologist surgeon I have consulted calls this a terrible surgery to have and encourages me to try every possible means to avoid it. So I am currently working on variations of the different means I have used over the years to deal with it. Actually I do have a sort of alternating constipation and diarrhea , if it can be called that. For one to three days I will be in the bathroom alot passing stool at more or less frequent intervals, then for a couple of days nothing. I usually have to use an enema to get it started again. The first material is generally quite hard. It rarely goes into a true diarrhea without form, however. Not eating carbs will not give me much of a problem since I have been on this celiac diet for three years now. I do have a piece of candy once in awhile, but rarely and eat no grains other than oatmeal and brown rice. For several years I didn't use those either. Actually, I doubt I am a celiac patient, but, as you say, there are probably levels of problems involved with celiac. I am currently working on something I used for many years , mineral oil by mouth and by rectum. All the three doctors I deal with say Use whatever works: including these, and I mentioned them by name. I haven';t done this long enough to know what the results will be. Am also experimenting with various kinds of fiber supplements. I think I would like to abandon these. The one the surgeon recommends is the powdered Citrucel which goes against everything I have learned about what to put in one's body. Am presently trying Fibersure which is made from inulin bearing plants. This has been spoken of on Eskimo. But I think it is causing things to stop up more. I eat 3 or 4 vegetables with every meal including breakfast, so I have to be getting enough fiber, also eat fruit between meals, mainly cantalope and bananas, and lately watermelon. The others don't agree with me. Sol, It is good for me to hear from folks like you who have such a variety of problems . I try to remember, also that I am slowing down a great deal, but I still do not need to use a cane, and I can function in caring for myself at home for the most part. I indend to go on experimenting, trying to keep a routine in place for a decent amount of time before trying something else. Any of these things are to some extent limiting to activity. I, for one, am never sure if I am really going to be able to manage a particular activity or outing. This is more than enough for now. I hope that the others know to skip my messages if they find the content too gross. Cheers, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSore throat Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:56:49 -0600 Hello Ruth, I am going to try to start noticing if CS gives me more of a dry mouth feeling. I've never noticed it doing so, but then I am so very dry I've even been told I have Sjogren's Syndrome. My eyes get so dry I've had keratitis, am at high risk of corneal ulcers, and always have some of what the eye doc calls dry spots on my corneas which would quickly turn into keratitis again if I get careless about my eye drops. I drink liquids continuously all day everyday, if I don't I just can't stand the dry mouth/throat, which makes me sort of feel like I'm going to choke. Yes, I've had IBS, spastic colon, (whatever the latest name for it is--its all the same thing to me) for over 30 years. But I don't have anything like the problems you have, at least nothing like that has ever showed up in any imaging studies. What I had was constant diarrhea, which is also very life limiting. You can't go much of anywhere when you might have sudden explosive diarrhea without warning. In my case a very low carb diet almost cures it. I say
RE: CSRe: OT - Apple Cider Vinegar Tea - OT
Hi, Simon, I know that 1/8 tsp is not very much, but with my particular problems I have to go easy with new things. What works for my lower tract often gives my upper tract fits or vice versa anyway as near as I can tell. I am not continuing this experiment for the present due to another protocol I am following with regard to trying various things to hopefully keep my digestive tract working without need to have 90% of my large bowel removed. Don't have time to go into all that right now, am in middle of freezing green beans from Farmer's Market, of which I bought too many this week. thanks, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Simon Jester tansta...@libertytrek.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: OT - Apple Cider Vinegar Tea - OT Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:44:28 -0400 On 8/11/2007, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com (silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com) wrote: Hi, I have tried the apple cider vinegar idea now Hi Ruth, Glad to hear it... Which brand did you try? An 8th of a teaspoon is not very much, and in my experience would not be enough to work very well, if at all... what amounts did you try after the first time? Maybe the reason it didn't work is you didn't use enough? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Messenger Café open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline
RE: CSclay question
Hi, Kathryn, I AM Interested in your information about clay. I live in the MANKATO area, also in Gibbon, Mn. so we may be practically neighbors. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com CC: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSclay question Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:28:05 -0500 I have some kaolinite clay I got from a quarry near Mankato, and it soaked up the toxic mold stink like crazy from some stuff I have stored in the garage, where the clay happens to be. This is a clue that perhaps this kind of clay would also be able to adsorb the toxins internally. Anyone know a good reason why that might be a bad idea? I'm getting in the mood for a field trip Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more .then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2ss=yp.bars~yp.pizza~yp.movie%20theatercp=42.358996~-71.056691style=rlvl=13tilt=-90dir=0alt=-1000scene=950607encType=1FORM=MGAC01
Re: CSHelp for heavy metal detox (from amalgum fillings)?
To Ode, Miranda, and everybody, For those of you who have had amalgam or mercury or metal fillings of any sort removed from your teeth, in what ways has it helped you? Are these improvements possibly due to any other interventions you have tried at the same time? Actually, now that I see these posts, I realize that more recent fillings I have had say within the last 10 -20 years have all been mercury. I don't think the most recent ones have been. It's been several years since I have had any. What I don't know is of what material the earlier fillings were composed. The first ones were put in when I was 17, 62 years ago. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: faith gagne jitte...@gis.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHelp for heavy metal detox (from amalgum fillings)? Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:15:38 -0400 Miranda: Just a suggestion, but there may be a dental school or university in your area where they may do dental work very reasonably or even free. - Original Message - From: miranda lorell To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:09 AM Subject: CSHelp for heavy metal detox (from amalgum fillings)? Hello everyone, I am new and have been led here because I have a problem. I am low-income without health or dental insurance. I have several large amalgum fillings in my mouth from childhood (I'm 50). I just discovered that I tested high in heavy metal toxicity. naturally, I'm very concerned. The best thing to do is get those old fillings removed, however I do not have the money to afford this. Can some body tell me if Colloidal silver or anything else, can help me (inexpensively), and if so how? Thanks very much in advance, Miranda -- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver (UNCLASSIFIED)
Thanks for the information about the toilet brush, sounds like a good idea. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Medwith, Robert robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver (UNCLASSIFIED) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:38:56 -0400 Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE I wrote once about getting a plastic toilet bowel brush (Round one new from dollar store). The one I use had a plastic handle that could be cut off at a round section you could then put it in a Drill motor for cleaning CS jars. Can not remember if it fit in 3/8 or 1/2 chuck on drill motor. This saves a lot of scrubbing when your brew jars get stained and particle build up on walls. Bob -Original Message- From: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com] On Behalf Of ruth strackbein Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Thanks again, Dan, Will plan to follow your instructions, except I don't have a dishwasher, but will wash carefully and use several rounds of boiling water in them and the hydrogen peroxide. Is the 3 percent H202 strong enough? And how much should I use for a quart jar? Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:24:10 -0500 The short answer is NO, not advisable. Use it for your plants or something. Dan -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver can you drink the stuff the peroxide removes? grin On Jul 25, 2007, at 8:42 PM, Dan Nave wrote: Ruth, I would put the jars in the dishwasher and run them through at least once for a good wash. Then rinsing with water to remove the soap and washing with Hydrogen Peroxide would be great too. Rinse finally with distilled water. You don't really want any residues, so good initial cleaning is worth it. Hydrogen Peroxide is good for removing any silver residues that build up over time in your brewing or storage bottles too. Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507
RE: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver (UNCLASSIFIED)
Hi, Bob , upon rereading your message, I realize that I don't have access to a drill motor, but thanks anyway. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Medwith, Robert robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver (UNCLASSIFIED) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:38:56 -0400 Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE I wrote once about getting a plastic toilet bowel brush (Round one new from dollar store). The one I use had a plastic handle that could be cut off at a round section you could then put it in a Drill motor for cleaning CS jars. Can not remember if it fit in 3/8 or 1/2 chuck on drill motor. This saves a lot of scrubbing when your brew jars get stained and particle build up on walls. Bob -Original Message- From: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com] On Behalf Of ruth strackbein Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Thanks again, Dan, Will plan to follow your instructions, except I don't have a dishwasher, but will wash carefully and use several rounds of boiling water in them and the hydrogen peroxide. Is the 3 percent H202 strong enough? And how much should I use for a quart jar? Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:24:10 -0500 The short answer is NO, not advisable. Use it for your plants or something. Dan -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver can you drink the stuff the peroxide removes? grin On Jul 25, 2007, at 8:42 PM, Dan Nave wrote: Ruth, I would put the jars in the dishwasher and run them through at least once for a good wash. Then rinsing with water to remove the soap and washing with Hydrogen Peroxide would be great too. Rinse finally with distilled water. You don't really want any residues, so good initial cleaning is worth it. Hydrogen Peroxide is good for removing any silver residues that build up over time in your brewing or storage bottles too. Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE _ http://newlivehotmail.com
Re: CSSimple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver
Thanks, Faith, I am presently in process of making several quarts of CS for Barb and John to take home with them. She gets quite severe Herz reactions, flu like symptoms. She uses it mainly when she knows she will be in a crowd and exposed to many pathogens. That is the information given me in the last post from them. Will have more opportunity to talk about the herx reactions, etc. when they come, however, her cance , I think it's called Waldenstern's (not sure of the ending) is very rare and does affect the immune system since it is associated with white blood cells. She is presently doing very well, much better than expected, on alternative therapies. Used to need a complete cleaning of her blood every three months. Now she has gone 8 months without needing one. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: faith gagne jitte...@gis.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSimple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:14:04 -0400 Hello Ruth. I hope that your family is able to take advantage of it. I have no idea of the cost. A friend of mine went to the Hoxsey Clinic just to see it. I never knew this until recently. Best Wishes, Faith - Original Message - From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: Re: CSSimple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Hi, Faith, Have sent the information in your message to my son, John. Thanks. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: faith gagne jitte...@gis.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSimple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:53:21 -0400 Dear Ruth: I just finished reading a book called The Persecution and Trial of Gaeston Naessens: The true Story of the Effort to supppress an Alternative Treatment for Cancer, AIDS, and other Immunologically-based diseases, by Christopher Byrd.. One can find this book at Amazon.com and used copies are available at very reasonable prices, if so desired. Gaston Naessens was an absolutely brilliant biologist, born in France and lived in Canada. His treatment, called 714-X, is a non-toxic treatment that has brought cancerous people back from the brink of death. Dr. Richard Atkins was using 714-X before his death a few years ago. From the Book: As of mid-October 1990, 714-X treatment can be obtained at the Bio-Med Center ) familiarly known as the Hoxsey Clinic) in Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico. Any American doctor wishing to use 714-X can send a prescription by fax to the Center for Experimental Biological Research, 5260 Rue Fontaine, Rock Forest, Quebec, Canada, JIN 386. Instructions will be mailed back immediately. 714-X is presently being made available in pharmacies and to doctors in several European countries. I just learned about this. Good luck to anyone who is suffering and needs this treatment. Faith - Original Message - From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:49 PM Subject: Re: CSSimple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Thanks, Dan. I had heard that it isn't good to wash these storage jars with soap, but if the hydrogen peroxide will take care of the soap, good. I will be making some CS for my daughter-in-law who has a rare form of cancer of the white blood cells. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Dan Nave na...@comcast.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSimple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:42:58 -0500 Ruth, I would put the jars in the dishwasher and run them through at least once for a good wash. Then rinsing with water to remove the soap and washing with Hydrogen Peroxide would be great too. Rinse finally with distilled water. You don't really want any residues, so good initial cleaning is worth it. Hydrogen Peroxide is good for removing any silver residues that build up over time in your brewing or storage bottles too. Dan ruth strackbein wrote: Hi Dan, I have a Silvergen, so it automatically stirs. At least it will for awhile. I understand from previous posts, that the stirring mechanism may break down. Will see. Meanwhile, I wonder if the 3 percent otc hydrogen peroxide is strong enough to clean these quart jars from the basement. thanks Ruth From Ruth Strackbein -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down
RE: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver
Thanks again, Dan, Will plan to follow your instructions, except I don't have a dishwasher, but will wash carefully and use several rounds of boiling water in them and the hydrogen peroxide. Is the 3 percent H202 strong enough? And how much should I use for a quart jar? Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:24:10 -0500 The short answer is NO, not advisable. Use it for your plants or something. Dan -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver can you drink the stuff the peroxide removes? grin On Jul 25, 2007, at 8:42 PM, Dan Nave wrote: Ruth, I would put the jars in the dishwasher and run them through at least once for a good wash. Then rinsing with water to remove the soap and washing with Hydrogen Peroxide would be great too. Rinse finally with distilled water. You don't really want any residues, so good initial cleaning is worth it. Hydrogen Peroxide is good for removing any silver residues that build up over time in your brewing or storage bottles too. Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2
Re: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver
Yes, It does help , Kathryn espcially since your directions are without the dishwasher. Will print out just to be sure I remember, I am getting so forgetful! I used to make lots of jelly when all our kids were home. We would go blackberrying on one of our members farms with the cows grazing nearby. One time we picked around 12 gallons! Made jelly and jam and pie, the works. I am amazed when I think back to those days, but then at least 4 of our 6 children were big enough to be a real help. The two youngest just stayed clear of the cows and ate their fill. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:03:26 -0500 I treat it like I am making jelly- I wash the jars well in dish soap, then rinse in hot water at least twice. Then would come the scalding water, but I don't do this for the CS, and the dishwasher does not either. I then rinse with distilled water, pouring in a little and swishing around, then I pour that into the next jar, if I am using one. I rinse in distilled water like that 3 times (only because in the lab that is what we used to do- 2 times is sufficient). Then I pour in the distilled water for my batch of cs. This seems to work fine. Once I used peroxide to clean out a small glass jar with a small neck- 3% H2O2, a couple of times, shaking it around pretty good, then the distilled water rinses. I use that for storing the CS by the bedside, and it seems to be fine. Hope this helps. Kathryn On Jul 26, 2007, at 2:23 PM, ruth strackbein wrote: Thanks again, Dan, Will plan to follow your instructions, except I don't have a dishwasher, but will wash carefully and use several rounds of boiling water in them and the hydrogen peroxide. Is the 3 percent H202 strong enough? And how much should I use for a quart jar? Ruth From Ruth Strackbein -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://liveearth.msn.com
RE: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver
Thanks again, Dan. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:02:37 -0500 Yes, the 3 percent H202 is strong enough. Dan -Original Message- From: ruth strackbein [mailto:ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSdan- Simple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Thanks again, Dan, Will plan to follow your instructions, except I don't have a dishwasher, but will wash carefully and use several rounds of boiling water in them and the hydrogen peroxide. Is the 3 percent H202 strong enough? And how much should I use for a quart jar? Ruth From Ruth Strackbein -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1
Re: CSSimple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver
Hi, Faith, Have sent the information in your message to my son, John. Thanks. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: faith gagne jitte...@gis.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSimple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:53:21 -0400 Dear Ruth: I just finished reading a book called The Persecution and Trial of Gaeston Naessens: The true Story of the Effort to supppress an Alternative Treatment for Cancer, AIDS, and other Immunologically-based diseases, by Christopher Byrd.. One can find this book at Amazon.com and used copies are available at very reasonable prices, if so desired. Gaston Naessens was an absolutely brilliant biologist, born in France and lived in Canada. His treatment, called 714-X, is a non-toxic treatment that has brought cancerous people back from the brink of death. Dr. Richard Atkins was using 714-X before his death a few years ago. From the Book: As of mid-October 1990, 714-X treatment can be obtained at the Bio-Med Center ) familiarly known as the Hoxsey Clinic) in Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico. Any American doctor wishing to use 714-X can send a prescription by fax to the Center for Experimental Biological Research, 5260 Rue Fontaine, Rock Forest, Quebec, Canada, JIN 386. Instructions will be mailed back immediately. 714-X is presently being made available in pharmacies and to doctors in several European countries. I just learned about this. Good luck to anyone who is suffering and needs this treatment. Faith - Original Message - From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:49 PM Subject: Re: CSSimple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Thanks, Dan. I had heard that it isn't good to wash these storage jars with soap, but if the hydrogen peroxide will take care of the soap, good. I will be making some CS for my daughter-in-law who has a rare form of cancer of the white blood cells. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Dan Nave na...@comcast.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSimple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:42:58 -0500 Ruth, I would put the jars in the dishwasher and run them through at least once for a good wash. Then rinsing with water to remove the soap and washing with Hydrogen Peroxide would be great too. Rinse finally with distilled water. You don't really want any residues, so good initial cleaning is worth it. Hydrogen Peroxide is good for removing any silver residues that build up over time in your brewing or storage bottles too. Dan ruth strackbein wrote: Hi Dan, I have a Silvergen, so it automatically stirs. At least it will for awhile. I understand from previous posts, that the stirring mechanism may break down. Will see. Meanwhile, I wonder if the 3 percent otc hydrogen peroxide is strong enough to clean these quart jars from the basement. thanks Ruth From Ruth Strackbein -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 _ http://liveearth.msn.com
Re: CSSimple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver
Why is it bad for the silver to touch the glass? I make my CS in glass quart jars. While I am on this subject, what is the best way to dlean quart jars that have been stored in the basement? Would over-the-counter h202 do the trick? Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSimple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:55:15 +0100 On 7/25/07, Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com wrote: Ideally, it is probably better to not have the silver touch the glass since you may get more plating or something, but the instructions were meant to minimize the less significant details in order to make a simple set of instructions. Thanks for the clarification. what I've been doing is putting a sponge over the beaker and sticking the wires through that with the clips on top but I was really worried about them touching the glass. I reckon I'll relax a bit more now :-) Cheers Kirsteen -- And, while it was regarded as pretty good evidence of criminality to be living in a slum, for some reason owning a whole street of them merely got you invited to the very best social occasions. -- (Terry Pratchett, Feet of Clay) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07
RE: CSSimple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver
Hi Dan, I have a Silvergen, so it automatically stirs. At least it will for awhile. I understand from previous posts, that the stirring mechanism may break down. Will see. Meanwhile, I wonder if the 3 percent otc hydrogen peroxide is strong enough to clean thesequart jars from the basement. thanks Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSSimple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:24:36 -0500 Ideally, it is probably better to not have the silver touch the glass since you may get more plating or something, but the instructions were meant to minimize the less significant details in order to make a simple set of instructions. I never actually had a setup where the electrodes touched the glass sides, but I know if the wires are too close to the bottom, with no stirring, you get residues and sometimes plating on the bottom of the glass which need to be removed by scrubbing, or with Hydrogen Peroxide. I think Ode sent a post quite a while back about the benefits of stirring that mentions something about this, maybe he would chime in. Something about Nernst diffusion layers and scavenging oxygen from the glass, etc, but, you do not need worry about this or even about stirring in order to make a simple CS that you can use. As you get familiar with the process you may want to get more elaborate. You might try some sort of canning jar where the opening is of smaller diameter than the main container, so you would not have this problem. If there is no water where the electrodes touch the glass, there certainly wouldn't be any problem. Dan -Original Message- From: Kirsteen Wright [mailto:kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 3:39 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSimple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver On 7/25/07, Dan Nave na...@comcast.net wrote: 4. Hang the two silver wires in the glass so they hang from the edge of the glass. The wires should be on opposite sides of the glass. Is it ok to have the wires touching the glass? I don't know why, but I thought they shouldn't touch it and I've been going into contortions to keep them away from the side. This would be much easier Kirsteen -- And, while it was regarded as pretty good evidence of criminality to be living in a slum, for some reason owning a whole street of them merely got you invited to the very best social occasions. -- (Terry Pratchett, Feet of Clay) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://newlivehotmail.com
Re: CSSimple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver
Thanks, Dan. I had heard that it isn't good to wash these storage jars with soap, but if the hydrogen peroxide will take care of the soap, good. I will be making some CS for my daughter-in-law who has a rare form of cancer of the white blood cells. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Dan Nave na...@comcast.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSimple setup and (hopefully) clear instructions for making Colloidal Silver Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:42:58 -0500 Ruth, I would put the jars in the dishwasher and run them through at least once for a good wash. Then rinsing with water to remove the soap and washing with Hydrogen Peroxide would be great too. Rinse finally with distilled water. You don't really want any residues, so good initial cleaning is worth it. Hydrogen Peroxide is good for removing any silver residues that build up over time in your brewing or storage bottles too. Dan ruth strackbein wrote: Hi Dan, I have a Silvergen, so it automatically stirs. At least it will for awhile. I understand from previous posts, that the stirring mechanism may break down. Will see. Meanwhile, I wonder if the 3 percent otc hydrogen peroxide is strong enough to clean these quart jars from the basement. thanks Ruth From Ruth Strackbein -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07
RE: CS colon cleanse (for ruth)
Thanks, Connie, I hope we both find relief! Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: craehow...@juno.com craehow...@juno.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS colon cleanse (for ruth) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:41:49 GMT Ruth I've been following your posts as I have suffered and still do with the same problem. I have been through the gamit of medical tests and doctors comment You've got to remember your getting older. That was 25 years ago. Now at 60 I no that the doctors only help is surgery. They do not seem able to see past limited thinking. I know that this problem can be treated and have been looking toward diet and cleansing. My condition is 50% better then it has ever been and that was mainly due to radical change in my eating. I find when I do a liquid diet I feel better. After posting about Liquid Oxygen a response led me back to internet and I reached the site I listed below. I think this might be the site that can bring about the changes I've been looking for. I will be ordering next month (I want to spend more time reviewing all their information). But I thought I would pass it along to you. http://www.blessedherbs.com/Home/Michael-Volchok-H-michael1.html connie Save hundreds of dollars a year with Juno Internet access. Plans start as low as $9.95 a month. Visit Juno today! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://ads.addynamix.com/click/2-2130421-170 _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS colon cleanse (for ruth)
Thanks, Connie. Will access that site soon. Fortunately, none of my doctors are urging surgery on me. In fact, the surgeon I have consulted with regard to this possibility, is very much in favor of attempting to keep things moving without the surgery. So far I am not having much success with the plan he laid out for me. Will see how it goes for awhile longer. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: craehow...@juno.com craehow...@juno.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS colon cleanse (for ruth) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:41:49 GMT Ruth I've been following your posts as I have suffered and still do with the same problem. I have been through the gamit of medical tests and doctors comment You've got to remember your getting older. That was 25 years ago. Now at 60 I no that the doctors only help is surgery. They do not seem able to see past limited thinking. I know that this problem can be treated and have been looking toward diet and cleansing. My condition is 50% better then it has ever been and that was mainly due to radical change in my eating. I find when I do a liquid diet I feel better. After posting about Liquid Oxygen a response led me back to internet and I reached the site I listed below. I think this might be the site that can bring about the changes I've been looking for. I will be ordering next month (I want to spend more time reviewing all their information). But I thought I would pass it along to you. http://www.blessedherbs.com/Home/Michael-Volchok-H-michael1.html connie Save hundreds of dollars a year with Juno Internet access. Plans start as low as $9.95 a month. Visit Juno today! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://ads.addynamix.com/click/2-2130421-170 _ http://liveearth.msn.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: Parasites
Hi, Charles, I'm sorry, What I have is Fiberzon. I don't read carefully, but all these things are confusing. What does Homozon have in it? Maybe someone has said, but I don't seem to have filed the information. Ruth. From Ruth Strackbein From: Charles Marcus tansta...@libertytrek.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Parasites Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:24:54 -0400 Hi, Charles, The brand of bile salts I am trying (first time today) is Cholacol 2425 Standard Process, Inc. I believe that this is a reputable place to purchase alternative treatments. It is a proprietary blend 721 Mg. Collinsonia (root) and purified bovine bile salts. I am concerned about using it because it does contain .2mg iron. I usually avoid iron supplements like the plague. I know this is a tiny amount, but still, it makes me uneasy. Other ingredients are honey and calcium stearate. I don't think the amount of iron is anything to worry about, and yes, this should be a decent brand although I've never used it. Today my bowel action is stuck fast again and I am getting uncomfortable. Trouble is that intestinal gas tends to cause material to back up into pockets and twists of my colon. There is a particular pocket in my rectum past which I can never pass stool without manual intervention. I realize this is not a good topic to pursue on the list, so sorry , all . Ruth, Ruth... the homozon would help so quickly to relieve this, although, as discussed, you would have to find your comfort dosage. About Homozon and it is without an e, but thanks for the warning. Gail has sent me a plan for starting use in a gradual fashion. If and when I get brave enough I may try it out in the way she suggests. It does have nine different herbs in it sigh Ruth, you're not reading closely again... if that stuff has any herbs in it, *IT* *IS* *NOT* *HOMOZON*, *REGARDLESS* of how it is spelled. COMPARE THE PICTURE. Please, Ruth, read what is being said, and *DON'T* *MAKE* *ASSUMPTIONS*. Sorry for yelling... I really really really am yelling with good intentions... :)) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507
RE: CSRe: Parasites
Charles, Also Thanks for your continuing help. I understand that you really do care. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRe: Parasites Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:24:35 -0500 Hi, Charles, I'm sorry, What I have is Fiberzon. I don't read carefully, but all these things are confusing. What does Homozon have in it? Maybe someone has said, but I don't seem to have filed the information. Ruth. From Ruth Strackbein From: Charles Marcus tansta...@libertytrek.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Parasites Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:24:54 -0400 Hi, Charles, The brand of bile salts I am trying (first time today) is Cholacol 2425 Standard Process, Inc. I believe that this is a reputable place to purchase alternative treatments. It is a proprietary blend 721 Mg. Collinsonia (root) and purified bovine bile salts. I am concerned about using it because it does contain .2mg iron. I usually avoid iron supplements like the plague. I know this is a tiny amount, but still, it makes me uneasy. Other ingredients are honey and calcium stearate. I don't think the amount of iron is anything to worry about, and yes, this should be a decent brand although I've never used it. Today my bowel action is stuck fast again and I am getting uncomfortable. Trouble is that intestinal gas tends to cause material to back up into pockets and twists of my colon. There is a particular pocket in my rectum past which I can never pass stool without manual intervention. I realize this is not a good topic to pursue on the list, so sorry , all . Ruth, Ruth... the homozon would help so quickly to relieve this, although, as discussed, you would have to find your comfort dosage. About Homozon and it is without an e, but thanks for the warning. Gail has sent me a plan for starting use in a gradual fashion. If and when I get brave enough I may try it out in the way she suggests. It does have nine different herbs in it sigh Ruth, you're not reading closely again... if that stuff has any herbs in it, *IT* *IS* *NOT* *HOMOZON*, *REGARDLESS* of how it is spelled. COMPARE THE PICTURE. Please, Ruth, read what is being said, and *DON'T* *MAKE* *ASSUMPTIONS*. Sorry for yelling... I really really really am yelling with good intentions... :)) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 _ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1
RE: CSRe: Parasites
Hi, Dee, Thanks, Will check this out. It sounds like it may be something I will be able to use. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Dee d...@deetroy.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRe: Parasites Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:02:01 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Hi Ruth, I think Homozon is a magnesium based oxygen product which gently cleanses the colon without causing any harm. Dee     --  The calender of the Theocracy of Muntab counts down, not up. No-one knows why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out. -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) ---Original Message--- From: Ruth strackbein Date: 07/15/07 19:25:22 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRe: Parasites Hi, Charles, I'm sorry, What I have is Fiberzon. I don't read carefully, But all these things are confusing. What does Homozon have in it? Maybe Someone has said, but I don't seem to have filed the information. Ruth. From Ruth Strackbein -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://newlivehotmail.com
RE: CSRe: Parasites
Thanks, Charles, will look up Homozon on the Web and get the real information, will spell it correctly! Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Charles Marcus tansta...@libertytrek.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Parasites Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:24:54 -0400 Hi, Charles, The brand of bile salts I am trying (first time today) is Cholacol 2425 Standard Process, Inc. I believe that this is a reputable place to purchase alternative treatments. It is a proprietary blend 721 Mg. Collinsonia (root) and purified bovine bile salts. I am concerned about using it because it does contain .2mg iron. I usually avoid iron supplements like the plague. I know this is a tiny amount, but still, it makes me uneasy. Other ingredients are honey and calcium stearate. I don't think the amount of iron is anything to worry about, and yes, this should be a decent brand although I've never used it. Today my bowel action is stuck fast again and I am getting uncomfortable. Trouble is that intestinal gas tends to cause material to back up into pockets and twists of my colon. There is a particular pocket in my rectum past which I can never pass stool without manual intervention. I realize this is not a good topic to pursue on the list, so sorry , all . Ruth, Ruth... the homozon would help so quickly to relieve this, although, as discussed, you would have to find your comfort dosage. About Homozon and it is without an e, but thanks for the warning. Gail has sent me a plan for starting use in a gradual fashion. If and when I get brave enough I may try it out in the way she suggests. It does have nine different herbs in it sigh Ruth, you're not reading closely again... if that stuff has any herbs in it, *IT* *IS* *NOT* *HOMOZON*, *REGARDLESS* of how it is spelled. COMPARE THE PICTURE. Please, Ruth, read what is being said, and *DON'T* *MAKE* *ASSUMPTIONS*. Sorry for yelling... I really really really am yelling with good intentions... :)) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://liveearth.msn.com
RE: CSRe: Parasites
Hi Chuck, Thanks for the Homozon information, This is definitely a better price than was quoted on the first place I tried. However that outfit had Homozon in a capsule form called Mag 07. With this form you do not need to follow it with the lemon juice. Lemon juice and the other citrus fruits makes my upper ribcage spot angry. Will have to further evalute these things. All the information I can get is a help. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: cking...@nycap.rr.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRe: Parasites Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:29:07 -0400 Ruth This is where I get my homozon. Best price and the real thing. http://www.excellentthings.com/Homozon.html Chuck I have a mind like a steel sieve On 7/15/2007 6:22:56 PM, ruth strackbein (ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com) wrote: Thanks, Charles, will look up Homozon on the Web and get the real information, will spell it correctly! Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Charles Marcus tansta...@libe -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69FORM=MGAC01
Re: CSirritable bowel syndrome
Hi, Debbie, She will have to be careful, though, with her enema equipment if she is allergic to rubber and latex. Are enema bags still made of rubber? Sounds like something I should try. Would get the CS directly to one area of trouble. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSirritable bowel syndrome Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Hi Keith...several things can come into play with IBS..she probably has food allergies that need to be addressed. Does she drink pop, city water, junk food? Does she have alot of stress right now, any mercury fillings? I had IBS and changed alot in my diet and my life...when it comes to cs I found that retention enemas helped me alot really fast. She needs to have a good probiotic onboard too..debbie Keithmj ke...@keithmj.com wrote: Hi all..A woman that works for the same company that I do has irritable bowel syndrome and I was wondering if Colloidal Silver will take care of that for her? I didn't want to say anything to her about it until I was for sure. She is also allergic to rubber and latex. And she said she didn't start to have these problems until after her children were born..Thanks for any info on this..Cheers..Keithmj - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. _ http://newlivehotmail.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDosage of homozon
Hi, Gail, Thanks for some very useful information re Homozon, and what I have is Homozon without an e at the end. This sounds like a practical approach to getting into the treatment as gently as possible. I am still wondering about the 9 different herbs. I have been avoiding things that have a number of herbs or other things in them. I never know which single one of them may be a problem for me. I get gas backups in the twists and pockets in my colon. These tend to hold everything up . I may get brave one of these days. I appreciate both your and Charles' efforts to help me and every bit of information is a potential help. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSDosage of homozon Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:37:36 -0700 (PDT) From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com Hi, Gail, I have a can of Homozon right on my kitchen cabinet now. My oldest son gave it to me some time ago. He says he and his brother have used it with excellent results. However, John says that in his experience , he has to be sure to be near a bathroom when he takes it which is daily. Because of past experiences with products with many elements in them, I am leery of this one as well. Because of the nature of my innards, and the experiences I have had in dealing with them, I will continue to hold off for awhile. John will be visiting here in August, perhaps I will be persuaded then, for the present I will still use the current Dr.'s plan which is really quite flexible.snip You see, I do read my posts and I do pay attention! --- Hi Ruth, If you do decide to give homozon a try, you can always start at a VERY low dose to assure a GENTLE cleanse while eliminating the mad dashes to the bathroom. Some have mentioned starting at only 1/8 tsp. to get the gentle cleanse. Others start at 1 tsp. and have to make a mad dash to the bathroom for a couple of hours. However, after the colon is cleansed (it does take some time, tho), the mad dashes are not as urgent. I am not trying to pursuade you one way or another. Only repsonding to your request for information that might be helpful in your situation, nor did I ever say you do not read the posts or pay attention. If you didn't want information, I doubt if you would have asked for it. Take care, Gail TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://liveearth.msn.com
RE: CSRe: Parasites
Hi, Charles, The brand of bile salts I am trying (first time today) is Cholacol 2425 Standard Process, Inc. I believe that this is a reputable place to purchase alternative treatments. It is a proprietary blend 721 Mg. Collinsonia (root) and purified bovine bile salts. I am concerned about using it because it does contain .2mg iron. I usually avoid iron supplements like the plague. I know this is a tiny amount, but still, it makes me uneasy. Other ingredients are honey and calcium stearate. Today my bowel action is stuck fast again and I am getting uncomfortable. Trouble is that intestinal gas tends to cause material to back up into pockets and twists of my colon. There is a particular pocket in my rectum past which I can never pass stool without manual intervention. I realize this is not a good topic to pursue on the list, so sorry , all . About Homozon and it is without an e, but thanks for the warning. Gail has sent me a plan for starting use in a gradual fashion. If and when I get brave enough I may try it out in the way she suggests. It does have nine different herbs in it and each different kind of thing has the potential to cause problems for me. I do not mean by that statement, that I know what any of these actually are, just that the fact that they are different means they may cause a different reaction. Thanks again, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Charles Marcus tansta...@libertytrek.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Parasites Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:25:02 -0400 Hi, Charles, I have tried both bile salts and meds containing hydrochloric acid. They didn't help. Have tried them both relatively recently and longer ago. They did not help. Which brands? What 'meds'? For how long? In combination with what other drugs/supplements? One of the biggest mistakes people make (because it is so easy to do due to the inordinate amount of mis/dis-information on the internet) is to try a poor brand/version of 'x' that is supposed to be good for some particular ailment - or try something while at the same time doing something else that is contra-indicated and will nullify the effects - then declare that 'x' doesn't work'. Analogy: *Both* of the following statements - as far as they go - are 100% true: 1. Eggs are extremely unhealthy and should be avoided as part of any healthy diet 2. Eggs are extremely nutritious - some call them natures perfect food - and should be included as part of any healthy diet. The reason both of these are true is, I didn't differentiate between: 1. Eggs that come from egg 'factories - where chickens liver their entire lives in 1x1 foot cages doing nothing but eating laying mash laced with antibiotics and other drugs to keep them alive and laying as many eggs as possible, and 2. Eggs that come from chickens that are free to roam in the open air and sunshine, eat pesticide free grass, shrubs, bugs and other goodies natural to their diet, and have visits with Mr Rooster. So, just because you took 'something' that was called 'bile salts' or supposedly had HCL in it, does NOT necessarily mean that you took them in their proper form and/or amounts - or were not taking them in combination with some other drug/substance that was nullifying their effect. All that said, you are correct that I don't *know* what is wrong with you, but from what you have said of your symptoms, I am as certain as I can be that your missing Gall Bladder is the primary problem, and your lack of bile salts and HCL supplementation - in proper quantities and of the proper quality - is the most likely solution. Make your best decision with the information that you have been given, and I send you all my best wishes for finding relief... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507
RE: CSProduct information for Ruth
Hi, Gail, I have a can of Homozon right on my kitchen cabinet now. My oldest son gave it to me some time ago. He says he and his brother have used it with excellent results. However, John says that in his experience , he has to be sure to be near a bathroom when he takes it which is daily. Because of past experiences with products with many elements in them, I am leery of this one as well. Because of the nature of my innards, and the experiences I have had in dealing with them, I will continue to hold off for awhile. John will be visiting here in August, perhaps I will be persuaded then, for the present I will still use the current Dr.'s plan which is really quite flexible. Have tried a new OTC product called Fibersure which is insulin based. It causes alot of gas which tends to build up in the nooks and crannies of my colon. May try it again. Someone once said that inulin causes gas, but after using it awhile the gas tends to taper off. You see, I do read my posts and I do pay attention! I'm sure I have a printout of this information , but need desperately to organize my printouts. Actually, now that I have internet at home, I can access my on-line files easily. Before I was very limited for time allowed at the library. Will keep all these things in mind. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSProduct information for Ruth Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Hi Ruth, I'm not Charles, and I'm sure he'll give his suggestions, but thought I'd chime in a little. I had quit making any suggestions because most have already made several good ones, plus from the beginning, you said you were going to follow the guidance of your doctor. If you do decide to take us up on some of the suggestions in the future, I'll give you a quick run through of some of the pricing of some of the products. Homozon runs around $28 or more. Cheapest I've found is at www.excellentthings.com. I realize right now you are on your doctor's protocol, but if afterwards you want to try this, it would be at the top of my suggestions. I think this would accomplish the same thing your doctor is trying to accomplish as it would help to get/keep the bowels up and running. I've also heard some don't even use the lemon/lime drink following the homozon and still get good results. Many have also suggested Dr. Schultz #1 colon cleanse. Sorry, I can't remember how much that runs. Bragg's raw apple cider vingar runs about $4-5 for 1 QT. at most local health food stores. Soloray has a good HCL with pepsin 180 capsules for about $11-12. Also, NOW has a good super enzyme product with bile extract, HCL, and a multiple of other enzymes, 90 capsules for about $12. So if you do decide to try the homozon, ACV, one of the digestive enzymes, these products would run you a total of about $45 for all of them together, and that would last you for some time. Personally, I do not believe your main problem is a result of not having your gallbladder, but I do believe is is contributing. Everybody needs help digesting as we age and especially if the gallbaldder has been removed. That would be a good starting place. I believe the problem you have with your colon, you were born with. You've mentioned having trouble even at a very early age (I'm assuming you still had your gallbladder then). I would love to see you not have to have the surgery. Please consider the homozon before making your final decision. Most people have a significant amount of hardened fecal matter lining the walls of their colon anyway. Not only would this help with that, but it actually gives one a boost of energy by the ozone in it. I also recall you mentioning being on a limited income and not wanting to waste money on yet another supplement that will just line your medicine cabinet. I understand. There's no guarantee these products would help your individual situation, but they have been known to help many. Take care, Gail --- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:44:28 -0500 From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRe: Parasites Thanks Charles for your continued interest and suggestions. I will consider them well. Trouble is many people have ideas for meds that all are expensive. Perhaps you have told me already and I have forgotten, what kinds of bile salts and hydrochloric acid are you recommending and where does one purchase them? I may have tucked such information away in my files which are getting so extensive it is hard to find specific things in them. Ruth Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC -- The Silver List is a moderated forum
RE: CSBrain injuries
Hi, We had a girl about the age of your son who also received severe brain injuries as a result of a car accident last December. She also had to have several tough surgeries and was in a coma . I forget how long the coma lasted. Actually, the doctors induced the coma , I believe. I kind of think she was in a natural coma first, woke from that and then the doctors put her into an induced coma. She has recovered nicely . Will be returning to school in fall. She is an organist and had to learn to play the organ again from scratch. She is playing for church Services again now, although the music goes a bit slower than before and she does not attempt the level of difficulty she did before the accident. She is able to work part time in our local grocery store and participates in all the activities sshe did before. It is my prayer that your son will have good results from his treatment as well. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSBrain injuries Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:45:23 + From: joe bloggs whatserna...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSBrain Injuries Does anyone here know of a treatment for brain injuries? My 21 year old son was involved in a terrible accident in the early hours of Saturday morning and has had two operations and is in a coma, on life support. - Dear Joe, My thoughts and prayers to your family. This might sound far out and who knows if it will even help, but you never know. Years ago I suffered from a concussion that seemed to take forever to heal due to the type and placement of the injury. It had been a good year and still I struggled a lot. Then I was reading a book I believe by Dr. Lee (?) called something like Everything Your Doctor Didn't Tell You About Menopause. In it he talked about how good progesterone cream is for the brain and brain injuries. He even made the comment if he was ever in a car accident and suffered any brain injury, he would want somebody to pour the entire bottle over his head. Long story short: I purchased some progesterone cream and started using it for hormone replacement along with also applying it to my heard. It felt like my body was starved for it. I never even took a break from it like the directions say to use 3 weeks on and take a week off. It was only after I started using it did I finally recover from the concussion. Compassionately, Gail Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07
RE: CSRe: Parasites
Thanks Charles for your continued interest and suggestions. I will consider them well. Trouble is many people have ideas for meds that all are expensive. Perhaps you have told me already and I have forgotten, what kinds of bile salts and hydrochloric acid are you recommending and where does one purchase them? I may have tucked such information away in my files which are getting so extensive it is hard to find specific things in them. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Charles Marcus tansta...@libertytrek.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Parasites Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:25:02 -0400 Hi, Charles, I have tried both bile salts and meds containing hydrochloric acid. They didn't help. Have tried them both relatively recently and longer ago. They did not help. Which brands? What 'meds'? For how long? In combination with what other drugs/supplements? One of the biggest mistakes people make (because it is so easy to do due to the inordinate amount of mis/dis-information on the internet) is to try a poor brand/version of 'x' that is supposed to be good for some particular ailment - or try something while at the same time doing something else that is contra-indicated and will nullify the effects - then declare that 'x' doesn't work'. Analogy: *Both* of the following statements - as far as they go - are 100% true: 1. Eggs are extremely unhealthy and should be avoided as part of any healthy diet 2. Eggs are extremely nutritious - some call them natures perfect food - and should be included as part of any healthy diet. The reason both of these are true is, I didn't differentiate between: 1. Eggs that come from egg 'factories - where chickens liver their entire lives in 1x1 foot cages doing nothing but eating laying mash laced with antibiotics and other drugs to keep them alive and laying as many eggs as possible, and 2. Eggs that come from chickens that are free to roam in the open air and sunshine, eat pesticide free grass, shrubs, bugs and other goodies natural to their diet, and have visits with Mr Rooster. So, just because you took 'something' that was called 'bile salts' or supposedly had HCL in it, does NOT necessarily mean that you took them in their proper form and/or amounts - or were not taking them in combination with some other drug/substance that was nullifying their effect. All that said, you are correct that I don't *know* what is wrong with you, but from what you have said of your symptoms, I am as certain as I can be that your missing Gall Bladder is the primary problem, and your lack of bile salts and HCL supplementation - in proper quantities and of the proper quality - is the most likely solution. Make your best decision with the information that you have been given, and I send you all my best wishes for finding relief... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2
RE: CSRe: Thick toenails
Hi, Nancy and Tad, It is a good thing you didn't grow up in my parent's house! They were firm believers in using vaporub with flannel on the chest for chest colds, in the nose for nose colds, etc. I don't remember anyone objecting to sitting next to me in school after those sessions, so presume the odor must be removable, but can't remember what we did. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Tad Winiecki winie...@pacifier.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Thick toenails Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:43:32 -0700 I've been slowly improving my nail fungus problems by soaking the nails daily in hot water (as hot as I can stand) with sea salt, at least once but preferably 2-3 times a day. I tried CS for this and the fungus which had been in only 2 nails spread to another, I theorize because the CS killed off beneficial flora keeping the fungus in check. It's harder to soak toenails, my DH is doing that now. It might be worthwhile to try the Vick's Vaporub on toenails, I can't take the scent when using it on fingernails before going to bed. Nancy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://newlivehotmail.com
RE: CSRe: Parasites
Hi, Charles, I have tried both bile salts and meds containing hydrochloric acid . They didn't help. Have tried them both relatively recently and longer ago. They did not help. The doctors don't claim to know what is causing my problems. They mention various possibilities. You don't know what is the matter with me either. I have read the messages of a number of people who have many different of what my trouble may be, and all the input is valuable, but no single person's idea of how to go about dealing with it is necessarily the right one. I know you want very badly to help me and I want very badly to be helped. But I simply cannot continue to fill up my medicine closet with medicines that it turns out I cannot use. I don't want to discourage you from sending any information that you think might be helpful, Charles and others. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Charles Marcus tansta...@libertytrek.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Parasites Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 12:58:26 -0400 Hi, Pat, Sounds like my upper ribcage pain.I don't have any success, either with getting my regular doctor and a gastroenterologist interested in finding out exactly what is causing this pain. More than likely the reason you don't have any success is they *know* what is causing it - your missing gallbladder - but will not tell you this for different reasons - it makes them *responsible* for the problem, and telling what to do to *fix* it (like taking bile salts and HCL supplements) would not make them any money. It really is that simple Ruth. Until you stop following them blindly down the primrose path, you will continue to experience precisely this. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507
RE: CStransit time
Hi, Sol, Thanks for sending this, the message I am in process of sending you , I would have sent to the whole list, too, fortunately, I was in process of going back to check what you said in your first post and found the second post. I did remember that I can copy what I have written to the Save Draft spot and come back to it. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CStransit time Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:59:30 -0600 How embarrassing to have sent that to the whole group. sorry all, sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507
Re: CSBrain Injuries
Hi, I , also, will pray for your son, both that he recovers and that he does not have significant problems from his injuries. From Ruth Strackbein From: marmar...@bellsouth.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBrain Injuries Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:18:44 -0500 Does anyone here know of a treatment for brain injuries? My 21 year old son was involved in a terrible accident in the early hours of Saturday morning and has had two operations and is in a coma, on life support. I don't know whether to pray for his death or his life because I don't know the quality of life expected - nobody knows. If anyone has any information, please share it. Thank you. Frankie Omigod Frankie -- I'm so, so sorry. I don't know of any treatment for brain injuries, but I'll pray for your son -- and I'll pray for his life and his health. Mary Ann -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07
RE: CSthick toenails
Hi, Smitty, Thick toenails may have something to do with calcium balance . My toenails tend to get thick or thin out with regard to calcium magnesium balance. I've been getting conflictin information about the correct balance. I used to think that they should be even up as to amount of each. Right now mine are easy to cut which is nice. They sometimes get very thick so that one almost can't clip them. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Smitty papad...@gmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSthick toenails Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:35:13 -1000 Does anybody in this group have a solution for thick toenails ? Is there something to either coat the nail with, or soak them in some liquid to *thin* the nail? thanks, Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://liveearth.msn.com
Re: CSthick toenails ( Ca and Mg )
Hi again, Smitty and Wayne, Age must not be the cause in my case. Right now my toenails are just right . I will be 70 the day after tomorrow. As I said, their thickness has varied off and on through the years, I too, doubt if calcium magnesium balance is the whole story, maybe not even part of it. Or maybe calcium is the only factor and magnesium has nothing to do with it + heredity. I just know that the thickness of my toenails varies. I do not knowingly do anything to influence their thickness. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Smitty papad...@gmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSthick toenails ( Ca and Mg ) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:02:51 -1000 I'm 75 suspect the nails are like our nose ears; they just *keep on growin'* Smitty On 7/9/07, CWFugitt c_wa...@earthlink.net wrote: Evening Smitty, At 05:36 PM 7/9/2007, you wrote: And how to thin the toenails ? Sometimes, yes, and sometimes no. I grow new toenails. They look great and are thin. Then at a later time, they will thicken. Many seem to think this is fungus. A friend used gallons of CS and covered the toenails. After a time, they were better. Seems it was two or three months. My thumbnails grow fast and are very strong. I have never broken a bone even from falling out of trees, automobile wrecks, motorcycle wrecks and horses falling with me riding. I think there his more to this problem than the Calcium / Magnesium problem mentioned. It was suggested to cause the fungus. In later years, the circulation in my legs is not as good as it was years ago when I was running and jogging a lot. Then, I supposedly have a heart valve problem from a strep infection. The reason I say supposedly, is my ejection fraction test indicated 60 %. Some say 55 % if normal. I think the thick toenails are a symptom of several things combined. Would like to hear other ideas and experiences. Then again, I am sure age does not help it any. Likely if we went barefooted, sun got to the feet, this would help some also. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://liveearth.msn.com
RE: CSCurious/Ruth
Hi, Gail, I think I did respond to the first part of your message, but not sure it got sent. YES I do have a little nagging cough in the right lung, but it does not seem to come and go with the upper ri bcage pain. At times , like yesterday, there seems to be a little stuff in there, way at the bottom . Sometimes I can cough it up, sometimes, not. My right lung has a different feeling from my left lung as well. Almost seems like it is empty in some way. Just don't know how to describe it. Yesterday I swished with CS and swallowed it. Today the right lung thing is okay again except for the different feeling. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSCurious/Ruth Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:56:14 -0500 Hi again, Gail. I have been tested for an ulcer quite a few times. Have had the upper endoscopy twice in the last couple of years.. Also ultrasound and lately a CT scan. Not sure the CT scan would detect an ulcer. Hope this info helps. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCurious/Ruth Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Hi Ruth, I'm curious. Do you also have an unidentified cough off and on with the pain in your ribcage area? Reason I'm asking is because several in my family have acid reflex accompanied with a little cough. Some of the symptoms you described, especially after eating various foods, sound a lot like what they experience. Just curious, tho, as you've never mentioned having a cough. Also, have they ever tested you for an ulcer? Take care, Gail Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 _ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69FORM=MGAC01
RE: CSParasites
Hi, Pat, Sounds like my upper ribcage pain.I don't have any success, either with getting my regular doctor and a gastroenterologist interested in finding out exactly what is causing this pain.I think they figure it is from the area of slight inflammation found on an endoscope exam a couple years ago. Regular Dr. wants to treat it with prescription Prilosec. But the Prilosec, I am told, turns off all the acid, leaving none to digest my food with. When I spoke of this with the doc this morning, he really didn't have any help for me other than that the inflammation needs healing. I get frustrated with the approaches of these men, but also with some on the list who get upset with me. There are so many suggestions of varying medicines for varying conditions , that I hardly know how to begin, especially within the bounds of the foods that I can handle. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSParasites Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Yesterday as I was lying in the sleeper of the truck, bored stiff while husband was driving, I started thinking about health. That led to thinking about the most interesting thingthe horrors of parasites. If you kill them with a parasite cleanse program or some kind of zapping, wouldn't you only see the ones which were in the intestines? Seems like the ones in the liver would die and be slowly dismantled and absorbed. If they were in the blood and died, wouldn't they block the kidneys? Don't all the wastes that the kidney's produce go into the urine? They surely wouldn't pass large things. Doesn't CS kill all the parasite eggs, so eventually when the adults die you'd be parasite free...assuming that the CS could reach them? When I went to a gastroenterologist about 5 years ago, he said I had a liver cyst which was harmless but should be watched. (I never went back since I don't really have problems, had just gone so I could get insurance to pay for a colonoscopy). He never mentioned the possibility of tapeworm cyst which is rare around here. I wonder if a liver cyst could cause the pain under the rib which I'd always thought was gallbladder until I had the scan which said the gallbladder was clear. I have the constant nagging pain when I'm at a higher weight and it gets better when I loose some. Guess I really need to learn more about how the body works. Pat Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://newlivehotmail.com
Re: CSRe: bile salts
Hi, Sol, I , too have run into several people who have had this done, one
with a total large colon removal. She was at death's door with an
infection. Apparently it had to be done or she wold have lost her life.
Not sure if this was actually an infection or something else, at any rate,
she is living a normal life with her bag. I'm sure she probably wishes she
had not had to have it done, but is only glad to be alive and doing
everything she did before without problems.
The other person I only found out about last night. She had the partial
done 3-4 years ago. She had a tumor, She didn't say if it was a cancerous
one or not. She also is leading a normal life and has no problems. What I
didn't ask her is how much of her colon was removed. I just know it wasn't
all of it. Will ask her when I get a chance. The doctors all have warned
me of the possible consquences. And nobody, not even the surgeon is pushing
me to a decision. The surgeon definitely does not want to do the surgery if
we can get my colon to work more normally without. Thanks for your input. I
am happy to get infomation about other people who have had this surgery ,
either their positive or negative reactions. there is no doubt , that if I
have it done, there will be days when I will wish I hadn''t. Ruth
From Ruth Strackbein
From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSRe: bile salts
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 09:32:31 -0600
going to OT list with my reply.
sol
Charles Marcus wrote:
And Ruth - don't let what someone else says about it - I have known 3
people that had one, and while publicly, they all said essentially what
you heard ('its not so bad') - privately, they told me they would give
*anything* to go back in time and be able to choose *not* to do it.
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RE: CSRe: bile salts
Hi, Charles, Please read my reply to Sol's post . That explains where I am
right now. I am not being rushed into anything. The surgeon uses the same
words you just did, a horrible, terrible surgery. My regular doc, who has
been through 12 years of working on this with me, is more in favor of doing
this, not because he wants to get rid of me coming to his office all the
time , but because, having now seen the X-rays that show that I have a great
deal more colon filled with nooks and crannies where gas and stool get held
up. The long transit time may very well be due to my lifetime of bad habits
like enemas. However, in my 25 years of teaching plus many more of
tutoring, I had to be on hand every day and couldn't be running to the
bathroom. There is more to this story from my early years, I won't go into
all that. I ate garden produce fresh and home canned from our family's
garden throught my early years. I never had money enough to buy pop and
all kinds of other goodies. Except for a couple of years when I was in High
School in a big city and worked as a page in a library. I earned enough
money to buy my supplies for managing my colon, school supplies and enough
left over to have a malted milk at the drugstore on the way home from work.
During my marriage we almost always had a garden and a big one to help feed
our six children. After they got big enough, they worked hard , too both at
raising the garden and at preserving it. I always get started and run on
longer than I should. Sorry. Ruth
From Ruth Strackbein
From: Charles Marcus tansta...@libertytrek.org
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSRe: bile salts
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:12:54 -0400
C'mon guys, give Ruth a break. All of us, in fact. We all need compassion
and consideration, as we all get what we 'deserve'.
I *am* being compassionate... I'm trying very hard to get Ruth to not have
to spend the rest of her life carrying around a colostomy bag.
Getting old is no picnic- it is not for the faint of heart, or the
cowardly. Everybody dies of something, and it is often painful and
difficult.
I agree - but what would be more 'painful and difficult' - a few
'tough-love' words from someone Ruth has never met in person before that
just might get her to try something that would save her from the horrors of
a colostomy - or the horrors of having to live with a colostomy?
And Ruth - don't let what someone else says about it - I have known 3
people that had one, and while publicly, they all said essentially what you
heard ('its not so bad') - privately, they told me they would give
*anything* to go back in time and be able to choose *not* to do it.
It is your life, however... and you are the one who has to live with the
consequences of your own choices.
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RE: CSChoices, Alternative or Mainstream ?
Hi, Wayne, And the trouble here is that I probably don't have a whole lot of time to try many healthy interventions. To give a particularly intervention a try means to use it for an extended period of time without varying your other procedures overly much. And to find interventions that will fit within what I am able to handle is difficult. I may , indeed , end up having the surgery and I may regret it , probably would to some extent. I did try an inulin based fiber medication calle Fiber Source,(not sure if that is both words combined or not), It is new on the market, apparently. Sounded good to me, especially in view of the encouragement I have received to use garlic, etc. This one is made from a different herb, chicory root. You can google it and get lots of information. Trouble is it gives me a huge amount of gas which I already have trouble with. The gas piles up in some of the pockets and loops in my intestine and makes me miserable. I know I have been told that the gas will diminish in time and I may continue with it later on. Enough for now. If you read my post to Sol, it will help you see where I am coming from. For you to really see, I would have to tell you about my entire teen years. I may have posted this information some time ago. Can't remember. and now I am guessing that many on Eskimo would be offended. Maybe I have said too much today already! Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: CWFugitt c_wa...@earthlink.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSChoices, Alternative or Mainstream ? Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 17:10:52 -0500 Evening Ruth, At 04:43 PM 7/4/2007, you wrote: I rather resent your attitude and Charles' even though I know you want badly to help me. He was only trying to get your attention and stating something he believed. I think likewise. I realize you have many forces pulling you in all directions. All we said, .. you have to pick ONE direction, make the decisions, and follow through. Indecision is not part of the game plan. I read Charles message again. I have been thinking of telling people on other lists virtually the same. I have many friends with bone disease. They have ignored Calcium and every thing it takes to produce proper calcium metabolism all their lives, 30, 40 even 50 years. Now they want the Magic Bullet. Of course it does not exist, as none exist for you. No single alternative miracle will work. It will take many, carefully selected, and practiced. It is hard to tell people that after a lifetime of poor health and bad habits, it is near impossible to turn things around. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://newlivehotmail.com
Re: CSRe: bile salts
Thank you from my heart, Kathryn! I'm glad you got your message on before I read the one below it! I have a friend who has had her entire colon removed . She was close to death from some sort of infection. She doesn't like to talk about it, understandably. She functions very normally, does everything she did before. Now she can eat anything! Of course I realize that I am much older than she is and the problems in my upper abdomen will not respond, at least not immediately to the surgery. Again, if indeed I have it. That is what the surgeon and I are working at, albeit not in natural ways, to avoid the surgery. He definitely does not want to do this . And he is bending over backwards to keep me from having to have it, that is, in the ways he is permitted by his license to use. As you have said, there comes a time when medical Drs. are useful and even necessary. I would be hard put to choose between all the possible natural treatments that have been proposed on this list, and I am grateful for all of them. I have gained valuable information, but I can't afford to fill my medicine cabinet with even more alternative things that I buy without a clue as to how they will work in my system, which is definitely compromised. My sons get a little upset with me, too, because I don't try a colon cleanse they have suggested. This one, like many others, contains so many different herbs. Apparently they act in an explosive fashion. This is an intervention you are supposed to continue to use daily. As it is , I have a very hard time maintaining my weight at 110-112 lbs. on my 5 ft. 6 and a half inch frame. When I look in the mirror , I scare myself, although I am getting used to it now. Actually maybe at my age, it is better to weigh less , then the heart doesn't have to work so hard. I forgot to say before, in connection with the upper ribcage pain, it is hoped that not having to push so much on my lower tract would relieve the pressure on the upper structures over time so it or they could heal. There is some slight inflammation in there according to the last endoscope. Now I am getting long-winded again. Sorry! And thank you again, Kathryn.. Also thanks to the others for all the ideas you have offered. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: bile salts Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 15:26:20 -0500 C'mon guys, give Ruth a break. All of us, in fact. We all need compassion and consideration, as we all get what we 'deserve'. Getting old is no picnic- it is not for the faint of heart, or the cowardly. Everybody dies of something, and it is often painful and difficult. Deciding on a course of action and following it is an exercise in science. Then deciding on a change of course depending on what happens next, is the logical scientific next step. I did *many* alternative healing methods for many years, but it was a Dr. that figured out I had a serious fungal infection, and his antifungals that saved my life. I now have switched to more natural antifungals and other treatment, but I remain grateful to him and others like him that continue to practice the Scientific Method of Medicine, instead of the more typical for today method of following the drug company's treatments. Kathryn On Jul 4, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: I am not using extra enzymes or bile salts right now. Would like to, but am trying to follow Dr.s plan right now. This is sad - because once you have gone all the way down that path, most often the damage is done, and the alternative methods will NO LONGER WORK. If you do everything the doc tells you, and get worse and worse to the point that 'there is no alternative but to remove part of your colon', it will be too late, and you will have only *yourself* to blame, because *now*, you have exposed yourself to *real* *alternatives* *that* *can* *allow* *your* *body* *to* *heal* *itself*. I will not feel anything but pity for you at that point - you will have gotten what you 'deserve'. Why not get radical, and *take* *responsibility*, as opposed to blind obedience to petty-god-wanna-be's? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1
RE: CSRuth
Thanks, Dee, I already do take some of the advice I have received on Eskimo and use it , can't use many things at once though, obviously. I, too, know that the people on the list have my best interests at heart. They have proved this by continuing to offer suggestions. For a fuller explanation of my feelings, see the message to Clayton family's Kathryn. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Dee d...@deetroy.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRuth Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:01:35 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) Don't worry Ruth, it is hard to disregard your doctor's advice, especially when you have had so many problems. I think some have been hard on you (and somewhat insensitive) but I'm sure they mean well in their own way, and are concerned for your health, basically. You can only do what you are comfortable with, and maybe if you try some of the things less likely to cause more problems, then it won't interfere with what your doctor has said, and may even help. I wish you well, whatever you decide to do and I hope your problems get less with each day. Love Dee  'Tis not right, a woman going into such places by herself. Granny nodded. She thoroughly approved of such sentiments so long as there was, of course, no suggestion that they applied to her. -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69FORM=MGAC01
RE: CSOT - chlolestrol / doctors / thieves / hospitals
Hi, Jeanine, But that doesn't mean that all Drs are fraudulent. To the extent that they prescribe medicines that come from drug companies they are, in a way. But the one in Wayne's message was clearly a far-out case. I realize that one has to be extremely careful . Check into a doctor's background and history before proceeding . I enjoyed our conversation the other day. Hope I didn't keep you on the phone too long. It sounds like you are moving, or do I have you mixed up with someone else. It is sometimes hard to keep track of threads. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: JES AM PM homestea...@gmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSOT - chlolestrol / doctors / thieves / hospitals Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:53:21 -0400 Okay Gang - got to jump in on this one guys... I had my blood tested last year; it had been several years so I figured it was time. I had something happen that I have never had happen and although I can't prove it - yet; I am sure I am right. First - the doc sent me to a hospital to have the blood drawn - claimed that he couldn't write the script for a laboratory in the next town over.. okey dokey although I have premium health insurance... Next thing I know, I get a call asking me to come in right away...something about my test results...well it seems that my cholestrol is really really high (never been before BTW). Doc wants me to start in on prescription meds - I refuse of course. I start back on a strict regimen of lecithin and red yeast rice... I re-test two different ways: 1) at a red cross type of free blood testing at a seminar; 2) I go back to my old doctor and have it tested (by the same company BTW - since the insurance is all the same)... VOILA - my cholestrol is not high. Now - I may have a case for fraud here. You see this doctor (the first doctor) had told me at one time that he was really good friends with a pharmaceutical supply / salesman. BEFORE all of this - about 6 months before this bloodwork; He also prescribed for me a diabetic medication and did not tell me why; when I tried to get it filled, the pharmacist, who knew me rather well ??? questioned it. He said did Dr. So and So run blood work - I said no... and you could tell that he knew something I didn't hmmm I smell a jail cell for somebody. I found out last week, this same doctor is on a 3 year VERY strict probation in Georgia for a very serious offense. Conclusion - I believe - like I said - can't prove - yet; that the doctor and the hospital are in collusion and that my blood was never tested as none of the results were normal.. OH also - they said I had been in menopause for 5 years - that turned out to be a lie, too. My old doctor was like?? say what? oh no... I've known you for years and that's when the new testing started. Oh, and I ain't done yet. Then the hospital tried to throw me into collection within 3 weeks of the test - BEFORE I received a bill; I received a collection notice Beware of the thieves. So moral of the story; you can't believe everything you hear; you can't even believe what you read AND FOR sure can't trust doctors... or hospitals. More of the story; now a local woman died in April under this same doctor's care in the ER at the same hospital.. what do you think - anybody know a good attorney, officer of the court? Jeanine (4 cents - gas tax went up today in Georgia - more inflation) (2 cents old money + 2 cents new money) _ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69FORM=MGAC01 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: bile salts
Hi, Wayne, I would still be throwing medicines, although natural ones at a condition which is two pronged and I do not really know what is causing it. I rather resent your attitude and Charles' even though I know you want badly to help me. I certainly am not going to rush into this surgery. Obviously I haven't. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: CWFugitt c_wa...@earthlink.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: bile salts Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:09:08 -0500 Morning Charles, At 11:52 AM 7/4/2007, you wrote: I will not feel anything but pity for you at that point - you will have gotten what you 'deserve'. Why not get radical, and *take* *responsibility*, as opposed to blind obedience to petty-god-wanna-be's? Your thinking is identical to mine. You do so much better at stating it, I just wait a while and you say what I am thinking. grin Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507
RE: CSRe: bile salts
Hi, Charles, please read my reply to the Clayton Family's Kathryn. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Charles Marcus tansta...@libertytrek.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: bile salts Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:52:52 -0400 I am not using extra enzymes or bile salts right now. Would like to, but am trying to follow Dr.s plan right now. This is sad - because once you have gone all the way down that path, most often the damage is done, and the alternative methods will NO LONGER WORK. If you do everything the doc tells you, and get worse and worse to the point that 'there is no alternative but to remove part of your colon', it will be too late, and you will have only *yourself* to blame, because *now*, you have exposed yourself to *real* *alternatives* *that* *can* *allow* *your* *body* *to* *heal* *itself*. I will not feel anything but pity for you at that point - you will have gotten what you 'deserve'. Why not get radical, and *take* *responsibility*, as opposed to blind obedience to petty-god-wanna-be's? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507
RE: CSbile salts
Hi, Zeb, as you probably know from my previous posts, I always have burning up and down the right side of my digestive tract. I am not using extra enzymes or bile salts right now. Would like to, but am trying to follow Dr.s plan right now. I know most of you will think that is foolish, but I this is what I am doing. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: zeb caffe jamaki...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSbile salts Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 22:08:32 -0700 (PDT) I was just wondering if anyone had experienced any burning with enzymes or bile salts. Also does anyone know anything about complex liver cysts? - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. _ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCurious/Ruth
Hi, Gail,,Yes, sometimes I have a bit of a cough, but not one that I associate with the acid reflux and upper right ribcage burning. I have those every day to a varying degree of pain through the day. I think my cough comes from post-nasal drip and from my right lung mainly. I swallowed something the wrong way one time, my right lung has felt different in a strange way, I can't describe. I get this little tickle in there, have been X-rayed and nothing shows up . I rarely have a cold. I do swish CS when I feel my nose problems are maybe getting out of hand. Am in process of working on finding a probiotic that I can handle. Don't like to take alot of CS internally without such a probiotic. Can't remember your other question, will send this off and check back. My machine is set on a rather large print and I can't seem to bring up more than part of your message below my reply.Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCurious/Ruth Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Hi Ruth, I'm curious. Do you also have an unidentified cough off and on with the pain in your ribcage area? Reason I'm asking is because several in my family have acid reflex accompanied with a little cough. Some of the symptoms you described, especially after eating various foods, sound a lot like what they experience. Just curious, tho, as you've never mentioned having a cough. Also, have they ever tested you for an ulcer? Take care, Gail Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69FORM=MGAC01
RE: CSCurious/Ruth
Hi again, Gail. I have been tested for an ulcer quite a few times. Have had the upper endoscopy twice in the last couple of years.. Also ultrasound and lately a CT scan. Not sure the CT scan would detect an ulcer. Hope this info helps. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCurious/Ruth Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Hi Ruth, I'm curious. Do you also have an unidentified cough off and on with the pain in your ribcage area? Reason I'm asking is because several in my family have acid reflex accompanied with a little cough. Some of the symptoms you described, especially after eating various foods, sound a lot like what they experience. Just curious, tho, as you've never mentioned having a cough. Also, have they ever tested you for an ulcer? Take care, Gail Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1
RE: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2007 #294/ascending-Transcending-Descending
Hi Hannecke, Guess I was describing the connection point between the ascending and transverse portions of the colon. I will access the link about diet for A+ blood type. Thanks , Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: hanneke johanna bloss...@msn.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2007 #294/ascending-Transcending-Descending Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:52:58 +0930 To avoid misunderstanding Ruth... the section between ascending and descending is the transverse part of the bowel... going across from right to left. I threw in that idea of perhaps a pocket having formed within the wall of the bowel (diverticulitis).. Hanneke From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com Reply-To: silver-l...@eskimo.com To: silver-l...@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2007 #294 Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:29:03 -0500 Hi, Catherine, Not sure if I ever replied to you about these ideas. Your comments about the trouble with bentonite clay beginning before the large colon is very interesting to me. Charles has suggested the upper right ribcage pain may be due to my absent gallbladder. The pain I have there matches the description given in the link he sent. Now Hanneke is suggesting this may also stem from a kink in the area where the ascending colon and descending colon meet which could also be in that area. That is the area where I had an X-ray years ago that showed this area flopped over on itself. I am grateful for all the information I am receiving and am sorting it out carefully , printing some, saving alot to files on my computer for future reference. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Catherine Creel catherine.cr...@gmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2007 #294 Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:21:15 -0800 Dear Ruth, You said: The surgeon I am working with says the same thing. He very much does not want to do the surgery except as a last resort . I am not sure I can convince him about using alternative things, though. When I mentioned Bentonite Clay, for instance, with regard to increasing fiber, ( withpsyllium), he said he didn't know anything about that. ** You don't have to convince him of anything. It is you who would take it, not he. You don't need his permission. It's YOUR body. He has yet to fix it for you. As I've been following this thread I've had a number of thoughts. I wondered how much you walk each day, what you eat in a typical week, and how much water you drink. You said: He is going out of his way with these twice weekly phone consultations. I hesitate about things like homozon, I not only hae to deal with my colon, but also with this quite severe burning upper center ribcage burning which is almost harder to put up with than the bowel problem. All of the doctors I have worked with since the surgery thing was arrived at after the transit time test and the Bowel X-ray series have said that the surgery would not solve all my problems, but would make the upper thing easier to manage. I get reall swamped with all the different suggestions for what to do alternatively. I am always concerned about what a change will do to me. The chiropractor I go to told me that I am the only patient he has ever treated that did not respong positively to using Bentonite Clay and psyllium. He has been in business in this area for many years.. ** I know others who did not respond to bentonite clay. Usually, it's people for whom the problem begins prior to the colon. LAPs and TAPs are abbreviations for lactic acid-producing and toxic agents- producing microbes in the bowel. LAPs preserve the normal bowel ecosystem, TAPs disrupt it. LAPs normalize bowel transit time. LAPS -- Bifidobacterium, Lactobacillus TAPS -- Proteus, Pseudomonas, Salmonella, Escherichia, Bacteroides, Clostridium, Peptococci, Peptostreptococcus, Streptococcus, Staphylococcus LAPs play a pivotal role in digestion. Lactose intolerance is a very common clinical problem. It is often not fully appreciated that a major portion of lactose ingested in dairy products is actually broken down to simpler sugars by lactase enzymes produced by lactic acid producers. Lactic acid and lactase producers also play important roles in protein digestion. This is one of the primary reasons protein intolerance is so common among individuals with bowel dysfunction. Repopulation of the gut with microflora that have been destroyed by indiscriminate use of antibiotics or crowded out by the unrestrained proliferation of yeast and bacterial organisms helps the bowels to work properly again. Bifidobacterium and Lactobacillus (probiotics) are crucial to this effort as are B vitamins, especially B12, biotin, and pantetheine (a more potent form of pantothenic acid). Are your hands often cold
RE: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2007 #294
Hi, Catherine, Not sure if I ever replied to you about these ideas. Your comments about the trouble with bentonite clay beginning before the large colon is very interesting to me. Charles has suggested the upper right ribcage pain may be due to my absent gallbladder. The pain I have there matches the description given in the link he sent. Now Hanneke is suggesting this may also stem from a kink in the area where the ascending colon and descending colon meet which could also be in that area. That is the area where I had an X-ray years ago that showed this area flopped over on itself. I am grateful for all the information I am receiving and am sorting it out carefully , printing some, saving alot to files on my computer for future reference. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Catherine Creel catherine.cr...@gmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2007 #294 Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:21:15 -0800 Dear Ruth, You said: The surgeon I am working with says the same thing. He very much does not want to do the surgery except as a last resort . I am not sure I can convince him about using alternative things, though. When I mentioned Bentonite Clay, for instance, with regard to increasing fiber, ( withpsyllium), he said he didn't know anything about that. ** You don't have to convince him of anything. It is you who would take it, not he. You don't need his permission. It's YOUR body. He has yet to fix it for you. As I've been following this thread I've had a number of thoughts. I wondered how much you walk each day, what you eat in a typical week, and how much water you drink. You said: He is going out of his way with these twice weekly phone consultations. I hesitate about things like homozon, I not only hae to deal with my colon, but also with this quite severe burning upper center ribcage burning which is almost harder to put up with than the bowel problem. All of the doctors I have worked with since the surgery thing was arrived at after the transit time test and the Bowel X-ray series have said that the surgery would not solve all my problems, but would make the upper thing easier to manage. I get reall swamped with all the different suggestions for what to do alternatively. I am always concerned about what a change will do to me. The chiropractor I go to told me that I am the only patient he has ever treated that did not respong positively to using Bentonite Clay and psyllium. He has been in business in this area for many years.. ** I know others who did not respond to bentonite clay. Usually, it's people for whom the problem begins prior to the colon. LAPs and TAPs are abbreviations for lactic acid-producing and toxic agents- producing microbes in the bowel. LAPs preserve the normal bowel ecosystem, TAPs disrupt it. LAPs normalize bowel transit time. LAPS -- Bifidobacterium, Lactobacillus TAPS -- Proteus, Pseudomonas, Salmonella, Escherichia, Bacteroides, Clostridium, Peptococci, Peptostreptococcus, Streptococcus, Staphylococcus LAPs play a pivotal role in digestion. Lactose intolerance is a very common clinical problem. It is often not fully appreciated that a major portion of lactose ingested in dairy products is actually broken down to simpler sugars by lactase enzymes produced by lactic acid producers. Lactic acid and lactase producers also play important roles in protein digestion. This is one of the primary reasons protein intolerance is so common among individuals with bowel dysfunction. Repopulation of the gut with microflora that have been destroyed by indiscriminate use of antibiotics or crowded out by the unrestrained proliferation of yeast and bacterial organisms helps the bowels to work properly again. Bifidobacterium and Lactobacillus (probiotics) are crucial to this effort as are B vitamins, especially B12, biotin, and pantetheine (a more potent form of pantothenic acid). Are your hands often cold? This symptom gives some clues as to where to look for the bowel problems. Cold hands and slow bowel transit time is caused by one of the following -- oxidatively-damaged thyroid enzymes (underactive thyroid gland), oxidatively-damaged autonomic nerve cells and fibers (dysautonomia) or an oxidatively-overdriven adrenalin gland. Another thing to consider is that chronic anger, hostility, conflict, and a sense of being a victim both slow down the bowel transit time and significantly reduce perfusion in different parts of the alimentary tract. These emotions adversely affect the adrenalin gland. This may or may not be factor for you. You may or may not find some of this helpful. I just thought I'd throw it out here. Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list
RE: CSRe: OT - Apple Cider Vinegar Tea - OT
Hi, Charles, I'm afraid it was plain old Heinz variety. Will have to get some raw organic at the health food store when I go to town next Thursday. Our Farmer's Market opens that day, It is only open on Thursdays from 2:30 to 5:30 and this year, for the first time, on Saturday mornings for a couple of hours. I am looking forward to fresh green beans and zucchini. I rather doubt that much of this produce is organic, but at least it is relatively fresh if you get there early, and hasn't sat in the store for who knows how long. Many of the folks keep their produce in ice chests. People were able to garden early this year, hence the early opening. We had spells of really warm weather, reasonable rain most of the spring and no late frost like last year. I do so much appreciate all the ideas you folks are sending me. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Charles Marcus tansta...@libertytrek.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: OT - Apple Cider Vinegar Tea - OT Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:42:57 -0400 However, I have used the vinegar treatment several more times without any success at all. Don't have a clue why it worked so well the first time. That time may just have coincided with a period of time around supper hour when now and then things will suddenly get better without my doing anything special. But that time, I thought the effect was different in some way, so I was hopeful . Did that again this evening, and the burning as I type, is really, really strong. Think I sent you a message earlier, a day or so ago, Charles about why I doubt that I can use the meds suggested on the link you sent. Unless I am speaking to two different Charlses. Hi Ruth, Well, I'm sorry to hear that... the only question I have is, what brand of vinegar was it? Was it raw, and organic? The next question is, in the subject you said 'Tea' - I just want to confirm that the water is plain, unheated water? Hot water would kill/deactivate most if not all of the enzymes in the vinegar, which is what works the magic. One other thing you could try is also mixing some raw honey with it - and again, by raw honey, I mean truly raw. There are only a very few commercially available brands that are truly raw - YS Organics, and 'Really Raw' are two that I am sure of. I have seen a couple more brands at Harry's the last time I bought honey that looked like they were really raw, but haven't tried any of them yet. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07
RE: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2007 #293
Thanks, Gail, Right now things have turned to diarrhea, I will add homozon to my list of things to try. Thanks, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2007 #293 Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 10:13:21 -0700 (PDT) --- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: Ruth, Speaking of colonics, I've so often decribed homozon as an 'oral' colonic. Good stuff. gail Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! http://mobile.msn.com
RE: CS
Hi, Jess, Yes, the burning is under the right conter ribcage. I have received a message from Charles directing me to a site that deals with Gall bladder and Post Gall Bladder problems. From this information, I feel sure that the upper pain is somehow related to my gall bladder surgery and what is happening to the bile system now. Trouble is how to deal with it in the context of the rest of my digestive problems Have had trouble previously with bile salts and other things suggested. What helps with upper abdomen problems makes more in the lower areas. Just have to keep working at the ends of the ball of twisted strands Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: jessie70 jessi...@optonline.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:01:14 -0500 Ruth is burning in upper abdomen near liver/gallbladder or mid section of small intestine or lower right area? Jess -Original Message- From: ruth strackbein [mailto:ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CShomozon Thanks, Gary, I don't use any flour of any kind so no glue! I do eat bananas which some say are constipating. Right now am having the opposite problem, at least part of the time. Thanks also for the links. Ruth p.s. Right now there is so much burning pain in my right abdomen that I hesitate to use anything different. From Ruth Strackbein From: garyc gdc4...@sbcglobal.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CShomozon Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:26:01 -0500 hi, my name is gary courtney..I've used homozon on and off for some time...it will work for any body...its loaded with high energy oxygen..ozone...it will liquify all encrusted hard fecal matter,usually within afew weeks... if you quit using white bread glue that will help...you will need to stay close to the stool and don't let any toots or you'll darken your drawers...the extra oxygen will help the good bacteria to grow and if you keep taking it, all that good high energy oxygen will be absorbed from your colon and into your organs to help clean them up too...I've heard of people getting rid of cancer and other degenerative problems by elevating the o2..any way hope this helps someonegaryc.the place I get the homozon is www.excellentthings.net and another one I've used is oxy-powder and that's here www.ghchealth.com/oxy-powder.php _ Picture this share your photos and you could win big! http://www.GETREALPhotoContest.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm
RE: CS
Hi, Jess, I replied, but think I forgot to click on send. Yes, the burning is right under the center right ribcage . Charles sent me information that has led me to believe that this pain is indeed due to my absent gallbladder. HOwever, most of the remedies the site suggests, I have tried over the years and they mostly react against my problems in my lower abdomen. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: jessie70 jessi...@optonline.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:01:14 -0500 Ruth is burning in upper abdomen near liver/gallbladder or mid section of small intestine or lower right area? Jess -Original Message- From: ruth strackbein [mailto:ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CShomozon Thanks, Gary, I don't use any flour of any kind so no glue! I do eat bananas which some say are constipating. Right now am having the opposite problem, at least part of the time. Thanks also for the links. Ruth p.s. Right now there is so much burning pain in my right abdomen that I hesitate to use anything different. From Ruth Strackbein From: garyc gdc4...@sbcglobal.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CShomozon Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:26:01 -0500 hi, my name is gary courtney..I've used homozon on and off for some time...it will work for any body...its loaded with high energy oxygen..ozone...it will liquify all encrusted hard fecal matter,usually within afew weeks... if you quit using white bread glue that will help...you will need to stay close to the stool and don't let any toots or you'll darken your drawers...the extra oxygen will help the good bacteria to grow and if you keep taking it, all that good high energy oxygen will be absorbed from your colon and into your organs to help clean them up too...I've heard of people getting rid of cancer and other degenerative problems by elevating the o2..any way hope this helps someonegaryc.the place I get the homozon is www.excellentthings.net and another one I've used is oxy-powder and that's here www.ghchealth.com/oxy-powder.php _ Picture this share your photos and you could win big! http://www.GETREALPhotoContest.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm
RE: CSThe Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics
Hi, SMS: I think I would like to try making kefir. I made some awhile back and had trouble with diarrhea after a couple of weeks. I was using unpasteurized goatsmilk produced locally from people whose outfit I trust. Don't know if I should get the grains from you since you must live in the west. I see you have pacific time. I am in Minnesota . Think I should probably get some from someone closer. I would like a copy of your directions , though. The directions I had before didn't exactly make sense to me. Thanks, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: sms s...@emotap.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSThe Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:55:56 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time) Ruth, I can't remember if anyone suggested regular use of Pro-Biotics. If you would like to know how to make your own kefir using kefir grains and organic whole milk, let me know. Sasha From: ruth strackbein Hi, Charles, The burning pain that is very much stronger recently in the ileo area and the upper ribcage right center area, the kinks in my bowel that show up in the recent X-rays, and past experiences with my digestive track contribute to my fear. I -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! http://mobile.msn.com
RE: CSOT - Apple Cider Vinegar Tea - OT
Hi, I have tried the apple cider vinegar idea now. The first time I put about an 8th of a tsp. in a small amount of water. Always have to start slowly and work up. The first time it worked wonders! I was hopeful that here was the remedy for my upper right ribcage pain. I don't have a gallbladder, but, Charles, you sent me to the link that explained that situation. However, I have used the vinegar treatment several more times without any success at all. Don't have a clue why it worked so well the first time. That time may just have coincided with a period of time around supper hour when now and then things will suddenly get better without my doing anything special. But that time, I thought the effect was different in some way, so I was hopeful . Did that again this evening, and the burning as I type, is really, really strong. Think I sent you a message earlier, a day or so ago, Charles about why I doubt that I can use the meds suggested on the link you sent. Unless I am speaking to two different Charlses. Thanks, Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: sms s...@emotap.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSOT - Apple Cider Vinegar Tea - OT Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:42:59 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time) I agree with you 100%, Charles. I have known about Bragg's pure Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) for 25 years or more. I used to use it for just about everything internal and, as well, external - hair, skin, baths, kidney stones, digestion, indigestion . . . . you name it. Patricia Bragg still publishes her father's Paul Braggs little booklet on Braggs Apple Cider Vinegar with its hundreds of uses fully described. You can pick both up at your health food store, ACV and the booklet. One of my all time favorite things to do with ACV is make Tea. One or two teaspoons of ACV in 8-10 oz. of boiled pure water, with a teaspoon of good honey. YUM! Especially after dinner, or for a treat during the day. Sasha ---Original Message--- From: Charles Marcus Would you describe this as 'heartburn', or 'indigestion'? If so, one very simple thing that will usually solve this kind of problem is, believe it or not, raw apple cider vinegar - say, a teaspoon or so in an 8 oz glass of water. Most people don't know that heartburn is not a problem of too *much* acid, it is a problem of not *enough* - demonstrated by the fact that adding raw apple cider vinegar will cure the problem (it is good for many other things as well). Just be sure it is raw and organic (I like Braggs)... All my best to you... Charles -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507
RE: CSRe: Doctor unpopular
Hi , Charles, I debate that with myself too, realizing that the intent of lawmakers is so that access to medical help will be availabe to all, but, as you say, it doesn't work out that way . Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Charles Marcus tansta...@libertytrek.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Doctor unpopular Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:47:38 -0400 Well you see Ruth, it should work well, because it means that no-one is ever turned away from medical care, whether they have money or not. Years ago we had a wonderful health system until the managers got in and then it all went wrong. It used to be a patient orientated system but now it has to pay for itself and all the administrative lot. Patients are now somewhat of a nuisance, or so it feels like. This is the natural result of any 'socialized' system. Sure, it may start off ok, or even great - but it is *guaranteed* to end up a cesspool of corruption and death. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Who's that on the Red Carpet? Play win glamorous prizes. http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=REDCARPET_hotmailtextlink3
RE: CSRe: homozon
Hi, Charles, That takes one concern off my mind. I haven't been sitting around fretting about it, but it has crossed my mind from time to time as possibly contributing to my problems. Your gall bladder site is very helpful . I am convinced that the missing gall bladder is the cause of my under right ribcage pain. Thank You! Ruth. p.s. Just hadn't been considering gall bladder , I guess because I don't have one. From Ruth Strackbein From: Charles Marcus tansta...@libertytrek.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: homozon Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:20:41 -0400 Hi, Charles, Actually, I was eating it since I did not rinse the vegetables after soaking them. I soaked them 10 15 minutes sometimes, I think I remember. Did that all last summer until my son visited and saw what I was doing and cautioned me. Ruth Eating foods that have been soaked in 3% H2O2 is not a problem... One thing though - if you were using storebought H2O2, it has stabilizers and other things in it that are not good to take internally... But, as I said, just soaking them, then cooking, will not cause a problem, as far as the H2O2 is concerned. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Like puzzles? Play free games earn great prizes. Play Clink now. http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2
RE: CSRe: Colon-Digestive Problems
Hi, again, Charles, I just bought a Bottle of something called Cholacol , sold through Health Care Professionals, this morning. This comes from Standard Process, Inc. Contains .2mg iron, ( I am wondering about that part) Ingredients: Collinsonia (root) and purified bovine bile salts. Other ingredients: honey and calcium stearate. I am a little scared to start taking it. Think I have had trouble with bile salts things back a few years. However, then I still had a gallbladder. I may have invested in yet another bottle of pills to sit in my medicine cabinet till I dump them out. Shouldn't have been so hasty. I haven't opened them yet. I will explore the gallbladder site you gave me tomorrow and see what they suggest. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Charles Marcus tansta...@libertytrek.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Colon-Digestive Problems Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:12:13 -0400 Hi, Charles. The antigas med I spoke of is the drugstore brand of colace, consists of simethicone. It is available OTC and is less expensive than the name brands. IF I don't take it, the gas piles up in there and seems to stop everything. I sometimes take an enema and the first return will frequently be preceded by a huge passage of gas and water. I don't pretend to know exactly what is going on with you, but gas is *generally* the result of fermentation - which is generally the result of not enough digestive enzymes and/or bile (to digest fats) and or HCL (hydrochloric acid) to digest animal proteins. Have you ever tried a quality HCL and/or Bile digestive aid/supplement? My thoughts are with you... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07
Re: CSThe Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics
Hi, Barbara, I didn't buy the Benefiber after all, found a different one that works similarly but does not have wheat. But thanks , anyway, your message sent me looking for something different. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: G Murray kg...@sasktel.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSThe Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:50:06 -0600 I just googled the wheat dextrin as I had not heard of this before and wondered about Irritable bowel. Barbara wrote: I do not have any problems with Benefiber because I have no alergies and no gluten intolerances. Barbara http://www.helpforibs.com/supplements/benefiber_change.asp Benefiber Change As of July 2006, Benefiber has announced that all of their products will no longer contain partially hydrolized guar gum. Benefiber will now be made from wheat dextrin. According to a phone representative at Novartis, the makers of Benefiber, this decision was made to allow for smaller dosages and for a higher profit margin. Benefiber guar gum provided 3 grams of soluble fiber per tablespoon, whereas Benefiber wheat dextrin provides 1.5 grams of soluble fiber per teaspoon (there are three teaspoons in one tablespoon). I do not know how wheat dextrin compares to guar gum as a soluble fiber supplement for Irritable Bowel Syndrome. I would not assume that the wheat dextrin in Benefiber is safe for people with wheat allergies or gluten intolerance disorders such as celiac. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Who's that on the Red Carpet? Play win glamorous prizes. http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=REDCARPET_hotmailtextlink3
Re: CSThe Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics
Hi, Barbara, I found Fiber-sure a Clear-Mixing Fiber Supplement. sugar free, 25 calories per 1 tsp . serving, can be taken 3 times a day. The tsp. should be heaping. Total carbs 6 grams, Dietary fiber 5 grams, Soluble fiber 5 grams. That is in each heaping teaspoon or each dose. If you take it 3 times a day, you would get 15 grams of fiber.Flavor free, grit free, non-thickening. Active ingredients: Inulin, natural vegetable fiber. Distributed by Proctor and Gamble, Made in Belgium. www.fibersure.com. Mix with room temperature liquid or mashed vegetables, etc. The Inulin thing struck me in a positive way due to other posts on Eskimo.com about its value. They suggested starting with once a day and working up, but since we have been using fiber for longer, not sure if that would be necessary, still this product does have alot of fiber per dose. Glad to share. Ruth P.S. I haven't tried it yet. Am using up my unifiber which is also something you can mix with other foods, but hasn't nearly as much fiber per dose. From Ruth Strackbein From: Barbara barba...@tampabay.rr.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSThe Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:05:44 -0400 That's great, Ruth :) I'm glad something helped you! Can you share what did you find? Barbara Hi, Barbara, I didn't buy the Benefiber after all, found a different one that works similarly but does not have wheat. But thanks , anyway, your message sent me looking for something different. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein _ Picture this share your photos and you could win big! http://www.GETREALPhotoContest.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Colon and Coconut Oil
Hi,. Rowena, I feel blessed to have so many helpers on this website! Thank you all! Wish I could do all the things that everyone suggests. I haven't yet tried coconut oil, that is an option since it is a food not a pill. Actually, I may also heed what others are saying about my body being my own and the doctor doesn't have the final say about what I put into it. But I feel I need to give this regimen a reasonable try. I have changed from Citrucel which burned going down and went against everything in my diet plan. My body has had very, very little sugar in the past three years for instance. Citrucel contains alot of sugar and additives. I eat no additives, only plain fruits and vegetables, though limited in variety. Now I am trying something called Unifiber that can be mixed with food. Still not what I really want to put in my body, consists ofposered cellulose, corn syrup solids (sugar), and Xanthan Gum. Know I have read something negative about the last one. Yesterday I tried an idea I got from the list (smitt?) , about using a few drops of apple cider vinegar in a little water for the burning pain. That did work. Felt really good. I did that late afternoon and again at bedtime. I am wondering if that is contributing to the diarrhea I am having today. Pain was better all morning, but now is strong again. Will try the vinegar again. I also realize that it would be better to go all alternative, however, there comes a time when something definitive has to be done when one's individual anatomy is concerned. I keep praying that the Lord will guide me . I can see definite purposes for his allowing this in my life. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Rowena new...@aapt.net.au Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS Colon and Coconut Oil Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:23:57 +0800 He has told me that it isn't severe enough to require antacids regularly, just as needed. Prilosec or anyof the other antacids don't work. I don't have a gall bladder any more. Ruth, I am sure there was never a patient with as many well wishers as you have. I can't remember whether virgin coconut oil has been mentioned at all. I am not sure whether the absence of a gall bladder would make a difference. For a web search VCNO, Bruce Fife, Mary Enig, would be good search strings for a start. Or, if you like, I could send you some of my saved documents which are configured in such a way as to use the least amount of paper if printed. There are just so many good things to say about VCNO - and apparently, even solidified copra-derived coconut oil, with all its faults, would have been safer for the world than the multitudinous vegetable oils which pushed it off its perch. For anyone who wants a VCNO forum: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coconut_oil_open_forum Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Parkcp=33.832922~-117.915659style=rlvl=13tilt=-90dir=0alt=-1000scene=1118863encType=1FORM=MGAC01
RE: CSRe: homozon
Hi, Charles, Last summer I used H202 to soak veggies and in my bath. Didn't read an article carefully , or else decided that food-grade stuff was too expensive. Think I also thought the stuff that was listed as being in the OTC H202 couldn't be that harmful if you can gargle with it. I have since wondered if some of my worsening colon problems could have been affected by that. Any thoughts? My doctor didn't seem too worried, but then , I had already done it for sometime before I told him, and there wasn't anything he could do about it by that time., I suspect it doesn;'t have any bearing, but wondering. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Charles Marcus tansta...@libertytrek.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: homozon Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:50:55 -0400 ** Make no mistake. Ozone WILL burn healthy tissues and so will Hydrogen Peroxide. Correction - ozone (or H2O2) - in high enough *concentrations* - will burn healthy tissue. At normal (therapeutic) levels, it will *not*... PERIOD. I know - I have a medical grade ozone generator made by Saul Pressman (and have been using it for many years). -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Picture this share your photos and you could win big! http://www.GETREALPhotoContest.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us
RE: CSAnatomy of Ruth's colon/doctors unpopular on list
Thanks, Gail. I agree with all you have said. My age is certainly a big factor. It is one of the things that makes the surgeon reluctant to just go ahead and do the surgery without exploring alternatives first. Of course, I have to turn to places like the Eskimo list to get help in that direction, and I do have to pick and choose carefully and not try more than one thing at once. You asked about the extent of the surgery proposed. Several options have been spoken of. One is the total removal. My personal physician is in favor of that, because if taking only part of the colon does not help enough, or fails, which it sometimes does, then a second surgery becomes necessary at a later date. I don't have too many later dates, comparatively speaking. However the surgeon (3 of them!) and one gastroenterologist have spoken of removing 90% but leaving the rectum. With this one, I would almost surely have diarrhea or very loose material at the beginning, but that often wears off and can be helped with medication to thicken things. I am torn between the two possibilities. Will see if it comes to that. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAnatomy of Ruth's colon/doctors unpopular on list Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com Hi, I am listening, however, the doctor I am working with wants me to drink that much water right now. I try to remember not to drink around mealtime, though. I realize the word Doctor is not a very good word here, but , nonetheless there are enough actual physical problems with my colon to warrant seeking help from one. == Hello Ruth, I accord to me that this is the very problem which you've suffered from at a very early age. Probably born with it. You mentioned you have an extra long, floppy colon that tends to kink. You also mentioned your age to be 79, if memory serves me. Perhaps in younger years, when there was better muscle support, the problem wasn't as bad? However, like everything else, when we age, things start moving south. That alone could cause even more kinking. With all that, I'm not sure if the things that have been suggested would be adequate to correct the situation. I was also wondering if they do have to do the surgery, would they just be removing some extra colon, taking out the excess while leaving the rest? As far as the word doctor being unpopular here, each will have to speak for themself. It's not unpopular to me. However, you have to realize most have not been able to get whatever problem they are faced with resolved by allopathic treatment, and have thus turned to alternative means. I don't have a problem with that at all. Personally, I would love to see things integrated so that one would compliment the other. There are times when both alternative and allopathy have their limitations. IMO, sometimes we need the help of both. Take care, Gail Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07
RE: CSAnatomy of Ruth's colon/doctors unpopular on list
Hi, Okay, I will stop responding, Ruth. I do thank all who have given me alternative ideas to pursue or not as I feel able. Also for all the encouragement. From Ruth Strackbein From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSAnatomy of Ruth's colon/doctors unpopular on list Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:19:34 -0500 Thanks, Gail. I agree with all you have said. My age is certainly a big factor. It is one of the things that makes the surgeon reluctant to just go ahead and do the surgery without exploring alternatives first. Of course, I have to turn to places like the Eskimo list to get help in that direction, and I do have to pick and choose carefully and not try more than one thing at once. You asked about the extent of the surgery proposed. Several options have been spoken of. One is the total removal. My personal physician is in favor of that, because if taking only part of the colon does not help enough, or fails, which it sometimes does, then a second surgery becomes necessary at a later date. I don't have too many later dates, comparatively speaking. However the surgeon (3 of them!) and one gastroenterologist have spoken of removing 90% but leaving the rectum. With this one, I would almost surely have diarrhea or very loose material at the beginning, but that often wears off and can be helped with medication to thicken things. I am torn between the two possibilities. Will see if it comes to that. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSAnatomy of Ruth's colon/doctors unpopular on list Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com Hi, I am listening, however, the doctor I am working with wants me to drink that much water right now. I try to remember not to drink around mealtime, though. I realize the word Doctor is not a very good word here, but , nonetheless there are enough actual physical problems with my colon to warrant seeking help from one. == Hello Ruth, I accord to me that this is the very problem which you've suffered from at a very early age. Probably born with it. You mentioned you have an extra long, floppy colon that tends to kink. You also mentioned your age to be 79, if memory serves me. Perhaps in younger years, when there was better muscle support, the problem wasn't as bad? However, like everything else, when we age, things start moving south. That alone could cause even more kinking. With all that, I'm not sure if the things that have been suggested would be adequate to correct the situation. I was also wondering if they do have to do the surgery, would they just be removing some extra colon, taking out the excess while leaving the rest? As far as the word doctor being unpopular here, each will have to speak for themself. It's not unpopular to me. However, you have to realize most have not been able to get whatever problem they are faced with resolved by allopathic treatment, and have thus turned to alternative means. I don't have a problem with that at all. Personally, I would love to see things integrated so that one would compliment the other. There are times when both alternative and allopathy have their limitations. IMO, sometimes we need the help of both. Take care, Gail Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 _ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm
Re: CSDoctor unpopular
Thanks, Leslie. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDoctor unpopular Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:07:37 -0500 Hey, don't worry. When we hit reply it goes to the whole list anyway. LOL Leslie - Original Message - From: ruth strackbein ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:58 PM Subject: Re: CSDoctor unpopular Hi, Wonder if I replied to Leslie rather than to you, Dee. You might check. I will, too. Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Dee d...@deetroy.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDoctor unpopular Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:37:30 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) You have to be joking! Certainly not here in the UK would they come out at night! You have to be literally dying for them to do that, and then they only send out a locum who usually knows diddly squat (one diagnosed me with gastric enteritis when it was actually almost a ruptured gall bladder) my husband called out an ambulance against his wishes, or I could have been dead! Also, even here in the UK the GP's are if not stinking rich, then very nicely off. The consultants are stinking rich though, and they don't do any work. Many years ago I would have agreed with you, but not since Mr Greedy reared his ugly head. Dee     --  The calender of the Theocracy of Muntab counts down, not up. No-one knows why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out. -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) ---Original Message--- From: Faith Saint Francis Date: 27/06/2007 19:20:15 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSDoctor unpopular Gail wrote: Anyway I want to warn against a witchâ?hunt of doctors. For quite a few of them are good buddies. At least they mean well. If they took the profession for the money involved, they made an awfully wrong mistake. . Yet: There still are medics who get up at three in the morning and go, at a call for a difficult birth or a broken leg â? or who after their work share their time with the poor â? or who donâ?Tt charge to those who donâ?Tt have anyway. . FaithStFrancis -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Picture this - share your photos and you could win big! http://www.GETREALPhotoContest.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us _ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm
RE: CSRe: Ruths digestive problem...
Hi, Charles, Thank you! I do believe this may be the answer. The symptoms listed certainly fit.Ruth From Ruth Strackbein From: Charles Marcus tansta...@libertytrek.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Ruths digestive problem... Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:16:27 -0400 I don't have a gall bladder any more. Bingo! Ruth, the gall bladder is responsible for storing bile produced by the liver, and then dumping it when it is needed for digestion of fats - bile is what is *required* to digest fats of any kind... See this link for more info: http://tinyurl.com/32eeva Then see this link - scroll down to where it talks about 'Gall Bladder Relief Kits'... You absolutely need to start taking bile - and I'd say HCL supplements - asap... this very well may be the 'miracle' you've been looking for. I put 'miracle' in quotes because it really isn't - it is just the ignorance of the doctors that have been treating you. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Who's that on the Red Carpet? Play win glamorous prizes. http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=REDCARPET_hotmailtextlink3
