Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Del]

Hi Sol:

The label says emphatically: "100% Pure Birch Sugar" otherwise known as 
xylitol.  They also say that it comes from Finland as a "byproduct" of the 
furniture industry there.  Take another look at that label:


http://www.ultimatelife.com/CatSweet.htm

I will try to do more checking to see if they are telling the truth or not, 
but if they are lying, they are sure opening themselves up to a lawsuit.


I suspect they are telling the pure truth, because this stuff is the best 
Xylitol I have tasted by far, and absolutely pure (no additives) as far as I 
can tell.


Del

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To: 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner



Del wrote:

http://www.angelfire.com/az/sthurston/xylitol_natural_sweetener.html

If xylitol does even half the things claimed there, it is worth using.  I 
am pretty sure it is one of the healthiest alternatives to sugar.  I am 
not sure about erythritol, but I am investigating having just purchased 
some.  I have tried Stevia, but can't stand the taste, the aftertaste, 
and it made me sick to my stomach.


One thing I have found out, you should only buy pure Birch xylitol.
Ok, I was told by a very reliable source that there is NO birch xylitol 
sold in the U.S. It is all from corn and ALL from China. This does not 
mean some xylitols aren't better quality than others.  The true birch 
xylitol is simply not available in the U.S. as there isn't enough of it to 
go around.
I was told as well that though some internet sites CLAIM to be selling 
"birch xylitol" they are not. They are lying.
Now you may have confidence in and believe the site you are buying from, 
but no way I'd believe I'd be getting real birch xylitol.

sol


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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[sol]

Del wrote:

http://www.angelfire.com/az/sthurston/xylitol_natural_sweetener.html

If xylitol does even half the things claimed there, it is worth 
using.  I am pretty sure it is one of the healthiest alternatives to 
sugar.  I am not sure about erythritol, but I am investigating having 
just purchased some.  I have tried Stevia, but can't stand the taste, 
the aftertaste, and it made me sick to my stomach.


One thing I have found out, you should only buy pure Birch xylitol.  
Ok, I was told by a very reliable source that there is NO birch xylitol 
sold in the U.S. It is all from corn and ALL from China. This does not 
mean some xylitols aren't better quality than others.  The true birch 
xylitol is simply not available in the U.S. as there isn't enough of it 
to go around.
I was told as well that though some internet sites CLAIM to be selling 
"birch xylitol" they are not. They are lying.
Now you may have confidence in and believe the site you are buying from, 
but no way I'd believe I'd be getting real birch xylitol.

sol


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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Ode Coyote]

msg will counteract the toxins in wasp stings when put on as a paste. It 
acts in a similar way as the papaya enzyme that also works for that (the 
stuff in meat tenderizer).


kathryn

## I once killed and ate a chicken on an abandoned farm in Vermont.




It had survived 3 Vermont winters on it's own and had a tattoo under its 
feathers that read, "Uniroyal"


..one tough chicken, took 2 hours for dinner and made my jaws 
sore...swallowed most hunks pretty much whole.

I suppose it had an MSG deficiency.

Vermont free range yard bird!   Great favor ...with a tread wear rating.

Woodchucks are tough like that too.  Boiled that guy for 6 hours with onion 
grass and made superball stew.


Ode


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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Dianne France]

  On Feb 7, 2008, at 11:21 AM, mborg...@att.net wrote:

  > Clayton Family,
  >
  > I know there has been this discussion before but I found out that I am 
  > intolerant to milk, what is the alternative for natural calcium?? I 
  > have looked up on the net for foods high in Calcium but they are soy 
  > products, any suggestions??? 
  ***

  Have you checked into goat milk?  I don't know what the calcium content is but
  many people that can't do cow can do goat.  I am not allergic to milk but 
have 
  trouble digesting and use organic goat milk as replacement.  

  Dianne

Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[carty]

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My complaint is similar to one stated about a week ago: this list rarely 
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discussed. 

Thanks. 
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-Original Message-
From: "Clayton Family" 

Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:43:02 
To:
Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner


Most of my friends use organic Rice Dream enriched. We all seem to 
tolerate it pretty well. It is interesting that so many of us have gone 
to using that, even though we haven't specifically talked about it or 
anything. I also can't use milk from animals, due to allergy.  Greens 
are a good souce of all kinds of minerals in general, also calcium.

Kathryn

On Feb 7, 2008, at 11:21 AM, mborg...@att.net wrote:

> Clayton Family,
>
> I know there has been this discussion before but I found out that I am 
> intolerant to milk, what is the alternative for natural calcium??  I 
> have looked up on the net for foods high in Calcium but they are soy 
> products, any suggestions???  I would have looked this up on curezone 
> etc.(other groups) but I have been in this group since 2000 and it has 
> helped me so very much.
>
>  This group is the greatest!!!
>
> Any information on natural calcium rather than pills. 
>
> Thanks in advance  Mary
>> -- Original message from Clayton Family 
>> : --
>> > I know many many life long vegetarians, many of them do use milk
>> > products. They are very healthy.
>> >
>> > On Feb 7, 2008, at 9:19 AM, sol wrote:
>> >
>> > > Get back to me when you have been a vegetarian for 20 or 30 years.
>> > > sol
>> > > 

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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Clayton Family]

On Feb 6, 2008, at 12:23 AM, Wayne Fugitt wrote:


Evening Nenah,

>>At 11:39 PM 2/5/2008, you wrote:
>> Just my guess. Besides, for some people, more than one or two 
pieces of fruit a day (or any fruit at all) is not a good idea.


More and more people are beginning to talk against fruit.  Even some 
of our old and trusted alternative doctors.  I did note the phrase, 
"For some people".  I guess this means the others can eat more. Of 
course fruit in season, does not last long, so one must pig our while 
it exists.  I often eat 50 figs per day.


When I lived in a more moderate climate I fondly remember those 
days.  And oranges too. Right off the tree... there is nothing like a 
fresh peach or 12. Our whole family ate like that, right off the tree 
or out of the ground was the very best, most delicious! I had a 
girlfriend in grade school who lived with her grandfather. He had a 
giant fig tree in the backyard, and we loved to sit in the tree and eat 
to our hearts content. The garden of eden had competition there, it 
seemed to me.





Watermelons and cantaloups are a bit high in sugar, but have always 
been something that is fun to  eat enough to get sick.  Often my 
watermelons weigh 40, 50, and up to 60 pounds and more.  They are 
irrigated and fed scientific balanced chelated nutrients, along with 
some organic plant food also.  What is one to do, other than make a 
fool of himself trying to eat a half a large watermelon.  I have done 
it for years.


When I was fighting the spider bite, I ate 5 kinds of fruit per day, 
because I thought it the thing to do.


Probably very good instincts!



Today I have eliminated so many foods, there are few left. Most are 
worthless anyway, or even worse. I suppose a few good foods are better 
than 50 or 75 that are toxic and worthless and may even be GMO.  Of 
course 50 and 60 years back eating a variety of foods was relatively 
common.  Any ideas or comments ?


Wayne




Juicing is supposed to be one way to get a powerhouse in a small 
package. Many of the old time strong men had specific food regimens- 
just ask Jack (La Lanne).  He pulled ships right up the harbor in Long 
Beach- it was amazing- and he was not the only strong man, maybe the 
last one. He even has a juicer with his name on it.


I am impressed with your garden stories and prowess. Maybe keeps you 
much healthier than otherwise.


Kathryn


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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Dee]

I didn't think that milk is actually the best form of calcium for us.  It is
better got in vegetable form I believe i.e. Broccoli or cabbage perhaps. 
Also a good trace mineral like Concentrace will have a broad spectrum of
minerals.  Dee  

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Clayton Family, 

I know there has been this discussion before but I found out that I am
intolerant to milk, what is the alternative for natural calcium?? 

I


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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[mborgert]

You know I forgot about Rice dream products.
Thanks 
ML

-- Original message from Clayton Family : 
-- 


> Most of my friends use organic Rice Dream enriched. We all seem to 
> tolerate it pretty well. It is interesting that so many of us have gone 
> to using that, even though we haven't specifically talked about it or 
> anything. I also can't use milk from animals, due to allergy. Greens 
> are a good souce of all kinds of minerals in general, also calcium. 
> 
> Kathryn 
> 
> On Feb 7, 2008, at 11:21 AM, mborg...@att.net wrote: 
> 
> > Clayton Family, 
> > 
> > I know there has been this discussion before but I found out that I am 
> > intolerant to milk, what is the alternative for natural calcium??  I 
> > have looked up on the net for foods high in Calcium but they are soy 
> > products, any suggestions??? I would have looked this up on curezone 
> > etc.(other groups) but I have been in this group since 2000 and it has 
> > helped me so very much. 
> > 
> >  This group is the greatest!!! 
> > 
> > Any information on natural calcium rather than pills.  
> > 
> > Thanks in advance Mary 
> >> -- Original message from Clayton Family 
> >> : -- 
> >> > I know many many life long vegetarians, many of them do use milk 
> >> > products. They are very healthy. 
> >> > 
> >> > On Feb 7, 2008, at 9:19 AM, sol wrote: 
> >> > 
> >> > > Get back to me when you have been a vegetarian for 20 or 30 years. 
> >> > > sol 
> >> > > 
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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Clayton Family]

Most of my friends use organic Rice Dream enriched. We all seem to 
tolerate it pretty well. It is interesting that so many of us have gone 
to using that, even though we haven't specifically talked about it or 
anything. I also can't use milk from animals, due to allergy.  Greens 
are a good souce of all kinds of minerals in general, also calcium.


Kathryn

On Feb 7, 2008, at 11:21 AM, mborg...@att.net wrote:


Clayton Family,

I know there has been this discussion before but I found out that I am 
intolerant to milk, what is the alternative for natural calcium??  I 
have looked up on the net for foods high in Calcium but they are soy 
products, any suggestions???  I would have looked this up on curezone 
etc.(other groups) but I have been in this group since 2000 and it has 
helped me so very much.


 This group is the greatest!!!

Any information on natural calcium rather than pills. 

Thanks in advance  Mary
-- Original message from Clayton Family 
: --

> I know many many life long vegetarians, many of them do use milk
> products. They are very healthy.
>
> On Feb 7, 2008, at 9:19 AM, sol wrote:
>
> > Get back to me when you have been a vegetarian for 20 or 30 years.
> > sol
> > 


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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[mborgert]

Clayton Family,
I know there has been this discussion before but I found out that I am 
intolerant to milk, what is the alternative for natural calcium?? 
 I have looked up on the net for foods high in Calcium but they are soy 
products, any suggestions???
I would have looked this up on curezone etc.(other groups) but I have been in 
this group since 2000 and it has helped me so very much.
 This group is the greatest!!!
Any information on natural calcium rather than pills. 
Thanks in advance
Mary

-- Original message from Clayton Family : 
-- 


> I know many many life long vegetarians, many of them do use milk 
> products. They are very healthy. 
> 
> On Feb 7, 2008, at 9:19 AM, sol wrote: 
> 
> > Get back to me when you have been a vegetarian for 20 or 30 years. 
> > sol 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Clayton Family]

On Feb 6, 2008, at 4:50 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:


At 07:51 AM 2/5/2008 -0500, you wrote:



- Original Message -
From: Ode Coyote
It's also a natural extract when processed, like Monosodium Glutamate,
accurately labeled as a natural flavoring.

You may believe that MSG is harmful, but..it's also unavoidable.
The question is, how much?

Ode
We have a friend living and teaching in the Philippines that is 
assisting several women with treatment due to kidney shut down from 
MSG.  Seems that use a lot of it over there to flavor due to lack of 
funds for meats and such.  They use fish heads and marinate it in 
water with MSG for a week or so and then pour that liquid over rice 
to give the rice flavor.  It seems to effect women more than men and 
a lot of women die young over there.


There is no free medical over there, even veterans.  They might be 
seen by a doctor but they have to buy their medications or they don't 
get well from what we have been told.


Back in the 30's there was no free medical here either- you had to pay 
the doctor yourself. Even now there is no free medical- everyone has to 
pay, just some of us pay insurance companies, who then pay the drs some 
fraction of what they charge. It does help keep down costs when 
everyone has to write a check when they show up- it makes you think- do 
I really need to have this checked out, or can I handle this on my own?


No question that some people have problems with high doses of MSG, 
myself included, [gives me the shakes and can't sleep] hence the 
research in how to control intake. Conclusion:  Can't be avoided 
entirely as meats, grains and veggies naturally contain MSG and it's 
not harmful at those levels, but adding MSG in can.

They probably should stop soaking fish heads in the stuff, you think?

Ode



I tasted it in some seaweed soup I used to make- I think there is more 
of it in seaweed, and more of it when it is cooked for a long time, 
like an hour or so.  I wonder if kelp bothers you.


Yes, it is more common in the east- my neighbor used to have 3 bowls of 
white powder next to the stove: salt, sugar, and msg.


msg will counteract the toxins in wasp stings when put on as a paste. 
It acts in a similar way as the papaya enzyme that also works for that 
(the stuff in meat tenderizer).


kathryn


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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Clayton Family]

I know many many life long vegetarians, many of them do use milk 
products. They are very healthy.


On Feb 7, 2008, at 9:19 AM, sol wrote:


Get back to me when you have been a vegetarian for 20 or 30 years.
sol



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[sol]

Get back to me when you have been a vegetarian for 20 or 30 years.
sol



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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Tad Winiecki]

This rings a bell.  The head of the biology dept. when I was in college 
lived to 105.  She ate at the college dining hall but for breakfast ate 
5 fruits.  Seemed to do OK by her.  And what about those Fruitarians, 
ain't they funny, eating them fruits, in they tummy.


Nancy


>>At 11:39 PM 2/5/2008, Nenah wrote:
>> Just my guess. Besides, for some people, more than one
>>  or two pieces of fruit a day (or any fruit at all) is not
>>  a good idea.


On Feb 5, 2008, at 10:23 PM, Wayne Fugitt wrote:

When I was fighting the spider bite, I ate 5 kinds of fruit per day, 
because I thought it the thing to do.



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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Nenah Sylver]

- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne Fugitt" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner



Evening Nenah,

More and more people are beginning to talk against fruit.
Even some of our old and trusted alternative doctors.

I did note the phrase, "For some people".  I guess this means the others 
can eat more.


Of course fruit in season, does not last long, so one must pig our while 
it exists.

I often eat 50 figs per day.

Watermelons and cantaloups are a bit high in sugar, but have always been 
something that is fun to  eat enough to get sick.


Often my watermelons weigh 40, 50, and up to 60 pounds and more.  They are 
 > irrigated and fed scientific balanced chelated nutrients, along with 
some organic plant food also.


What is one to do, other than make a fool of himself trying to eat a half 
a large watermelon.  I have done it for years.


When I was fighting the spider bite, I ate 5 kinds of fruit per day, 
because I thought it the thing to do.


Today I have eliminated so many foods, there are few left.

Most are worthless anyway, or even worse.

I suppose a few good foods are better than 50 or 75 that are toxic and 
worthless and may even be GMO.


Of course 50 and 60 years back eating a variety of foods was relatively 
common.


Any ideas or comments ?

Wayne


==

Hi Wayne.

What you're doing works for you. I agree with you that our food supply is 
highly contaminated and woefully inadequate.


And I'm waiting for you to offer me a watermelon

Nenah 



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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Ode Coyote]

At 11:56 AM 2/6/2008 +0900, you wrote:

I have read that added MSG is sometimes labeled as a "spice" or 
"seasoning" or "flavoring," though I don't know this for certain.


It was included in the term 'natural favoring', and it is a natural 
flavoring naturally present in most foods, but that has changed.

 Any MSG "added" now must be labeled to show that addition.
 Since virtually NO food, processed or not, doesn't have ANY in it, it 
can't be claimed to be "MSG Free"


ode



On Tuesday, Feb 5, 2008, at 20:52 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:

(For the record, any monosodium glutamate, or MSG, used ["added"] to 
flavor food must be declared on the label as such)

This, due to public concern and common reactions to too much MSG.



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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Ode Coyote]

## But there's no such thing as no MSG unless you processes it "out" 
or just stop eating.



ode



Any is "Too Much".

   My idea is that it does absolutely nothing to any flavor or does not 
add any spice effect.


  Instead it effects the brain and the taste buds, and fires the senses 
faster, ... A total FRAUD, like about  99 % of the food 
industry  tricks.


Wayne

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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Ode Coyote]

At 07:51 AM 2/5/2008 -0500, you wrote:



- Original Message -
From: Ode Coyote
It's also a natural extract when processed, like Monosodium Glutamate,
accurately labeled as a natural flavoring.

You may believe that MSG is harmful, but..it's also unavoidable.
The question is, how much?

Ode
We have a friend living and teaching in the Philippines that is assisting 
several women with treatment due to kidney shut down from MSG.  Seems that 
use a lot of it over there to flavor due to lack of funds for meats and 
such.  They use fish heads and marinate it in water with MSG for a week or 
so and then pour that liquid over rice to give the rice flavor.  It seems 
to effect women more than men and a lot of women die young over there.


There is no free medical over there, even veterans.  They might be seen by 
a doctor but they have to buy their medications or they don't get well 
from what we have been told.



No question that some people have problems with high doses of MSG, myself 
included, [gives me the shakes and can't sleep] hence the research in how 
to control intake.
Conclusion:  Can't be avoided entirely as meats, grains and veggies 
naturally contain MSG and it's not harmful at those levels, but adding MSG 
in can.

They probably should stop soaking fish heads in the stuff, you think?

Ode



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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Ode Coyote]

At 11:14 AM 2/5/2008 -0500, you wrote:


Ode Coyote wrote:



 I've seen Stevia products on the shelves as a sweetener, so maybe the 
FDA doesn't have to "approve" ...everything??
 They DIDN'T "approve it" because they have found no reason to even 
think about it.
 Now it's worthy OF approval, BECAUSE it wasn't even considered one way 
or the other?

 Great logic.

 It's a food and foods don't get regulated unless there is a good reason 
to believe it's harmful.
It's also a natural extract when processed, like Monosodium Glutamate, 
accurately labeled as a natural flavoring.


You may believe that MSG is harmful, but..it's also unavoidable.
The question is, how much?

Food packagers can't claim a product to be "MSG free" because almost NO 
food has no MSG in it, be it a processed food or completely organic.

 They can only claim that no MSG has been added.

(For the record, any monosodium glutamate, or MSG, used ["added"] to 
flavor food must be declared on the label as such)

This, due to public concern and common reactions to too much MSG.

The definition of natural flavorunder the Code of Federal Regulations is: 
the essential oil, oleoresin, essence or extractive, protein hydrolysate, 
distillate, or any product of roasting, heating or enzymolysis, which 
contains the flavoring constituents derived from a spice, fruit or fruit 
juice, vegetable or vegetable juice, edible yeast, herb, bark, bud, root, 
leaf or similar plant material, meat, seafood, poultry, eggs, dairy 
products, or fermentation products thereof, whose significant function in 
food is flavoring rather than nutritional(21CFR101.22)


So, you see..Stevia HAS been "approved"


OK..as a flavoring, then.
## Sounds more like a legal spat over the definition of " is sweet" vs 
"tastes sweet"



Not according to the FDA. This from the FDA website ( 
http://www.fda.gov/FDAC/features/1999/699_sugar.html )


Apparently a 3,000 year history of people using it as a sweetner without 
any problems is not sufficient evidence that it is not deadly.




## Just as "not proven safe and effective" doesn't mean unsafe and 
ineffective, having no records or studies over a 3,000 year period doesn't 
say a thing about safety over the long term...one way or the other.  It 
just means that no one has made any connections and the odds are pretty 
good that you'll survive long enough to get run over by an elephant or a bison.


 "problem" is a relative term.

Ode





That is as it stands today.

Marshall


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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Michael Zangari]

In Hawaii stevia is regarded as a sacred plant and as such usage is protected 
by law.
 
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- Original Message 
From: Marshall Dudley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2008 11:14:02 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

Ode Coyote wrote:
>
>
>  I've seen Stevia products on the shelves as a sweetener, so maybe the 
> FDA doesn't have to "approve" ...everything??
>  They DIDN'T "approve it" because they have found no reason to even 
> think about it.
>  Now it's worthy OF approval, BECAUSE it wasn't even considered one 
> way or the other?
>  Great logic.
>
>  It's a food and foods don't get regulated unless there is a good 
> reason to believe it's harmful.
> It's also a natural extract when processed, like Monosodium Glutamate, 
> accurately labeled as a natural flavoring.
>
> You may believe that MSG is harmful, but..it's also unavoidable.
> The question is, how much?
>
> Food packagers can't claim a product to be "MSG free" because almost 
> NO food has no MSG in it, be it a processed food or completely organic.
>  They can only claim that no MSG has been added.
>
> (For the record, any monosodium glutamate, or MSG, used ["added"] to 
> flavor food must be declared on the label as such)
> This, due to public concern and common reactions to too much MSG.
>
> The definition of natural flavorunder the Code of Federal Regulations 
> is: the essential oil, oleoresin, essence or extractive, protein 
> hydrolysate, distillate, or any product of roasting, heating or 
> enzymolysis, which contains the flavoring constituents derived from a 
> spice, fruit or fruit juice, vegetable or vegetable juice, edible 
> yeast, herb, bark, bud, root, leaf or similar plant material, meat, 
> seafood, poultry, eggs, dairy products, or fermentation products 
> thereof, whose significant function in food is flavoring rather than 
> nutritional(21CFR101.22)
>
> So, you see..Stevia HAS been "approved"

Not according to the FDA. This from the FDA website ( 
http://www.fda.gov/FDAC/features/1999/699_sugar.html )

Another product, stevia, is derived from a South American shrub. Though 
it can impart a sweet taste to foods, it cannot be sold as a sweetener 
because FDA considers it an unapproved food additive. "The safety of 
stevia has been questioned by published studies," says Martha Peiperl, a 
consumer safety officer in FDA's Office of Premarket Approval. "And no 
one has ever provided FDA with adequate evidence that the substance is 
safe." Under provisions of 1994 legislation, however, stevia can be sold 
as a "dietary supplement," though it cannot be promoted as a sweetener.

Apparently a 3,000 year history of people using it as a sweetner without 
any problems is not sufficient evidence that it is not deadly.

That is as it stands today.

Marshall


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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Wayne Fugitt]

I have read that added MSG is sometimes labeled as a "spice" or 
"seasoning" or "flavoring," though I don't know this for certain.

This, due to public concern and common reactions to too much MSG.


Any is "Too Much".

   My idea is that it does absolutely nothing to any flavor or does not 
add any spice effect.


  Instead it effects the brain and the taste buds, and fires the senses 
faster, ... A total FRAUD, like about  99 % of the food 
industry  tricks.


Wayne

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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Wayne Fugitt]

Evening Nenah,

>>At 11:39 PM 2/5/2008, you wrote:
>> Just my guess. Besides, for some people, more than one
>>  or two pieces of fruit a day (or any fruit at all) is not
>>  a good idea.

More and more people are beginning to talk against fruit.
Even some of our old and trusted alternative doctors.

I did note the phrase, "For some people".  I guess this means the others 
can eat more.


Of course fruit in season, does not last long, so one must pig our while it 
exists.

I often eat 50 figs per day.

Watermelons and cantaloups are a bit high in sugar, but have always been 
something that is fun to  eat enough to get sick.


Often my watermelons weigh 40, 50, and up to 60 pounds and more.  They are 
irrigated and fed scientific balanced chelated nutrients, along with some 
organic plant food also.


What is one to do, other than make a fool of himself trying to eat a half a 
large watermelon.  I have done it for years.


When I was fighting the spider bite, I ate 5 kinds of fruit per day, 
because I thought it the thing to do.


Today I have eliminated so many foods, there are few left.

Most are worthless anyway, or even worse.

I suppose a few good foods are better than 50 or 75 that are toxic and 
worthless and may even be GMO.


Of course 50 and 60 years back eating a variety of foods was relatively common.

Any ideas or comments ?

Wayne

















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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Nenah Sylver]

- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner


Don't understand.  oses are sugars, tols are sugar alcohols.  Fruits 
contain significant amounts of both.


Marshall



Marshall,
The amounts of the sugar alcohols in fruits is probably less than in foods 
that are made with fabricated sugar alcohols. Just my guess. Besides, for 
some people, more than one or two pieces of fruit a day (or any fruit at 
all) is not a good idea.


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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I have read that added MSG is sometimes labeled as a "spice" or 
"seasoning" or "flavoring," though I don't know this for certain.


On Tuesday, Feb 5, 2008, at 20:52 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:

(For the record, any monosodium glutamate, or MSG, used ["added"] to 
flavor food must be declared on the label as such)

This, due to public concern and common reactions to too much MSG.



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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Marshall Dudley]

Nenah Sylver wrote:


- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner



Marshall,
I don't think there's any "free ride" with sweeteners. Dr. Jerry 
Tennant says to avoid all sweeteners with "tol" in them, and I tend 
to agree with him. They are toxic to the body.



Then is he saying to avoid all fruits and juices?  They are packed 
with them.


Marshall



Yes, but those are the "oses," not the "tols."
Don't understand.  oses are sugars, tols are sugar alcohols.  Fruits 
contain significant amounts of both.


Marshall

Nenah

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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Nenah Sylver]

- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner



Marshall,
I don't think there's any "free ride" with sweeteners. Dr. Jerry Tennant 
says to avoid all sweeteners with "tol" in them, and I tend to agree with 
him. They are toxic to the body.



Then is he saying to avoid all fruits and juices?  They are packed with 
them.


Marshall



Yes, but those are the "oses," not the "tols."
Nenah 



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Xylitol toxic to dogs? was Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[sol]

I got curious to know whether other sugar alcohols besides xylitol are 
toxic to dogs and found this:



Perhaps the reason no toxicity was found in the above studies is because
erythritol is excreted through the urinary tract. Or perhaps it is 
becasue the dogs weren't suddednly fed a large amoutn all at once.
I have read that chocolate toxicity in dogs is very definitely dosage 
related, but also breed related.


This aritcle might be of interest but I only read the first portion.
http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/141/1/147.pdf

sol


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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Marshall Dudley]

Ode Coyote wrote:



 I've seen Stevia products on the shelves as a sweetener, so maybe the 
FDA doesn't have to "approve" ...everything??
 They DIDN'T "approve it" because they have found no reason to even 
think about it.
 Now it's worthy OF approval, BECAUSE it wasn't even considered one 
way or the other?

 Great logic.

 It's a food and foods don't get regulated unless there is a good 
reason to believe it's harmful.
It's also a natural extract when processed, like Monosodium Glutamate, 
accurately labeled as a natural flavoring.


You may believe that MSG is harmful, but..it's also unavoidable.
The question is, how much?

Food packagers can't claim a product to be "MSG free" because almost 
NO food has no MSG in it, be it a processed food or completely organic.

 They can only claim that no MSG has been added.

(For the record, any monosodium glutamate, or MSG, used ["added"] to 
flavor food must be declared on the label as such)

This, due to public concern and common reactions to too much MSG.

The definition of natural flavorunder the Code of Federal Regulations 
is: the essential oil, oleoresin, essence or extractive, protein 
hydrolysate, distillate, or any product of roasting, heating or 
enzymolysis, which contains the flavoring constituents derived from a 
spice, fruit or fruit juice, vegetable or vegetable juice, edible 
yeast, herb, bark, bud, root, leaf or similar plant material, meat, 
seafood, poultry, eggs, dairy products, or fermentation products 
thereof, whose significant function in food is flavoring rather than 
nutritional(21CFR101.22)


So, you see..Stevia HAS been "approved"


Not according to the FDA. This from the FDA website ( 
http://www.fda.gov/FDAC/features/1999/699_sugar.html )


Another product, stevia, is derived from a South American shrub. Though 
it can impart a sweet taste to foods, it cannot be sold as a sweetener 
because FDA considers it an unapproved food additive. "The safety of 
stevia has been questioned by published studies," says Martha Peiperl, a 
consumer safety officer in FDA's Office of Premarket Approval. "And no 
one has ever provided FDA with adequate evidence that the substance is 
safe." Under provisions of 1994 legislation, however, stevia can be sold 
as a "dietary supplement," though it cannot be promoted as a sweetener.


Apparently a 3,000 year history of people using it as a sweetner without 
any problems is not sufficient evidence that it is not deadly.


That is as it stands today.

Marshall


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Xylitol toxic to dogs? was Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[sol]

Humans aren't dogs? While all mammals share the basics and could be said 
to be more similar than different, there are some critical differences 
between species and tolerance for chemicals is quite variable. Essential 
oils are (in general) ok for humans, but very toxic to cats because of 
their very different liver metabolism. Chocolate is not toxic to humans 
(thankfully!) but is quite toxic to dogs.
Even with the species canine, some breeds are more sensitive to certain 
chemicals than others.

http://www.sweetcollies.com/collie.html


leslie1053 wrote:

why would it only be toxic for a dog and not humans?



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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Marshall Dudley]

leslie1053 wrote:

why would it only be toxic for a dog and not humans?


"Chewing this sugar substitute is not toxic for humans because it does 
not get absorbed from the intestines and therefore does not affect us. 
But it is absorbed from the intestine and goes into the blood stream of 
our pets. And that is where the toxicity comes in. The affect of Xylitol 
is to cause the secretion of insulin, which dangerously lowers blood 
sugar . In addition, it can cause liver failure depending on the 
quantity ingested. The amount that needs to be consumed to be toxic 
depends on the substance eaten and the weight of the pet. There is still 
no hard fast data concerning lethal dose of this substance"


Marshall


- Original Message -
*From:* Gene Wolfe <mailto:ge...@ix.netcom.com>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2008 6:14 PM
    *Subject:* Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

Have you tried stevia? This is natural and the FDA refuses to
approve it as a sweetener. For me that is a good recommendation.

If you have a dog, xylitol is toxic, so be careful.

Gene

At 05:11 PM 2/4/2008, you wrote:


- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley"
mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com>>
To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner



Has anyone tried erythritol as a calorie free sweetener? Looks
interesting, expecially since it is not artificial, but a
naturally occurring  sweetner.

Marshall



Marshall,
I don't think there's any "free ride" with sweeteners. Dr. Jerry
Tennant says to avoid all sweeteners with "tol" in them, and I
tend to agree with him. They are toxic to the body.

I do use xylitol, however, as a mouthwash.

Nenah 






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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Michael Zangari]

There is also Ribose. Ribose did wonders for my congestive heart failure 
recovery, helping replacing nuerotransmitters washed out of my heart. It is 
very sweet and was used as a sweetner at one point. I think it still is.  It is 
also a stimulant.
 
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- Original Message 
From: Rowena 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2008 2:11:33 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner


Apparently even the taste of sweetness is enough to make the body think it is 
sugar and react accordingly.  If you shouldn't have sugar, don't have the 
substitutes. Learn to taste food as it really tastes without sweetening. 
Strikes me that sugar does less harm than the chemical substitutes, anyway.  
But give it up or absolutely minimise it.
I wonder whether a little date syrup or molasses every now and then would 
satisfy the sweet yearning.
R
 
- I don't think there's any "free ride" with sweeteners.


  

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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Michael Zangari]

I like the Stevia leaves available as tea from Hawaii. 
You can work from there making a simple sweetner.

 
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- Original Message 
From: Ode Coyote 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2008 6:52:45 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner



  I've seen Stevia products on the shelves as a sweetener, so maybe the FDA 
doesn't have to "approve" ...everything??
  They DIDN'T "approve it" because they have found no reason to even think 
about it.
  Now it's worthy OF approval, BECAUSE it wasn't even considered one way or 
the other?
  Great logic.

  It's a food and foods don't get regulated unless there is a good reason 
to believe it's harmful.
It's also a natural extract when processed, like Monosodium Glutamate, 
accurately labeled as a natural flavoring.

You may believe that MSG is harmful, but..it's also unavoidable.
The question is, how much?

Food packagers can't claim a product to be "MSG free" because almost NO 
food has no MSG in it, be it a processed food or completely organic.
  They can only claim that no MSG has been added.

(For the record, any monosodium glutamate, or MSG, used ["added"] to flavor 
food must be declared on the label as such)
This, due to public concern and common reactions to too much MSG.

The definition of natural flavorunder the Code of Federal Regulations is: 
the essential oil, oleoresin, essence or extractive, protein hydrolysate, 
distillate, or any product of roasting, heating or enzymolysis, which 
contains the flavoring constituents derived from a spice, fruit or fruit 
juice, vegetable or vegetable juice, edible yeast, herb, bark, bud, root, 
leaf or similar plant material, meat, seafood, poultry, eggs, dairy 
products, or fermentation products thereof, whose significant function in 
food is flavoring rather than nutritional(21CFR101.22)

So, you see..Stevia HAS been "approved"

By the same logic, STOP USING it!
..it must be bad.

Ode


At 06:14 PM 2/4/2008 -0600, you wrote:

>Have you tried stevia? This is natural and the FDA refuses to approve it 
>as a sweetener. For me that is a good recommendation.
>
>If you have a dog, xylitol is toxic, so be careful.
>
>Gene



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[faith gagne]

I avoid all commercialy produced juices.  They are packed iwth stuff that I 
do not want to consume.   Faith G.


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner



Nenah Sylver wrote:


- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner


Has anyone tried erythritol as a calorie free sweetener? Looks 
interesting, expecially since it is not artificial, but a naturally 
occurring  sweetner.


Marshall



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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Marshall Dudley]

sol wrote:

Marshall Dudley wrote:
Has anyone tried erythritol as a calorie free sweetener? Looks 
interesting, expecially since it is not artificial, but a naturally 
occurring  sweetner.



Marshall,
 I have gotten some, but haven't tried it yet. It isn't supposed to 
cause the GI effects that Xylitol and other sugar alcohols do as it is 
supposed to be mainly excreted through the urine.
 Still Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Diet say not to use any sugar 
alchohols at all, as they do raise blood sugar.
It may be a matter of how much.  From what I have read the impact is 
about 1/30 of what normal sugar will do.  Trivial from some, not for 
others.  They show 1/2 calorie per teaspoon.


Marshall

sol


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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Marshall Dudley]

Nenah Sylver wrote:


- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner


Has anyone tried erythritol as a calorie free sweetener? Looks 
interesting, expecially since it is not artificial, but a naturally 
occurring  sweetner.


Marshall



Marshall,
I don't think there's any "free ride" with sweeteners. Dr. Jerry 
Tennant says to avoid all sweeteners with "tol" in them, and I tend to 
agree with him. They are toxic to the body.


Then is he saying to avoid all fruits and juices?  They are packed with 
them.


Marshall


I do use xylitol, however, as a mouthwash.

Nenah

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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Gene Wolfe]

Here is a website that explains the FDA comment. Obviously the sugar 
money does not want competition. It can be sold as a "dietary 
supplement" but not as a sweetener.


http://www.stevia.net/

Gene

At 05:52 AM 2/5/2008, you wrote:


 I've seen Stevia products on the shelves as a sweetener, so maybe 
the FDA doesn't have to "approve" ...everything??
 They DIDN'T "approve it" because they have found no reason to even 
think about it.
 Now it's worthy OF approval, BECAUSE it wasn't even considered one 
way or the other?

 Great logic.

 It's a food and foods don't get regulated unless there is a good 
reason to believe it's harmful.
It's also a natural extract when processed, like Monosodium 
Glutamate, accurately labeled as a natural flavoring.


You may believe that MSG is harmful, but..it's also unavoidable.
The question is, how much?

Food packagers can't claim a product to be "MSG free" because almost 
NO food has no MSG in it, be it a processed food or completely organic.

 They can only claim that no MSG has been added.

(For the record, any monosodium glutamate, or MSG, used ["added"] to 
flavor food must be declared on the label as such)

This, due to public concern and common reactions to too much MSG.

The definition of natural flavorunder the Code of Federal 
Regulations is: the essential oil, oleoresin, essence or extractive, 
protein hydrolysate, distillate, or any product of roasting, heating 
or enzymolysis, which contains the flavoring constituents derived 
from a spice, fruit or fruit juice, vegetable or vegetable juice, 
edible yeast, herb, bark, bud, root, leaf or similar plant material, 
meat, seafood, poultry, eggs, dairy products, or fermentation 
products thereof, whose significant function in food is flavoring 
rather than nutritional(21CFR101.22)


So, you see..Stevia HAS been "approved"

By the same logic, STOP USING it!
..it must be bad.

Ode


At 06:14 PM 2/4/2008 -0600, you wrote:

Have you tried stevia? This is natural and the FDA refuses to 
approve it as a sweetener. For me that is a good recommendation.


If you have a dog, xylitol is toxic, so be careful.

Gene

Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Dee]

Some things are, like chocolate and sometimes aspirin.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: leslie1053
Date: 05/02/2008 00:56:03
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner
 
why would it only be toxic for a dog and not humans?
- Original Message - 
From: Gene Wolfe 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner<>

Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Carol Ann]

 

Sweetness:
Sweetness is a virtue that searches with patience for
the good in every person and situation.




--- Ode Coyote  wrote:

> 
> 
>   I've seen Stevia products on the shelves as a
> sweetener, so maybe the FDA 
> doesn't have to "approve" ...everything??
>   They DIDN'T "approve it" because they have found
> no reason to even think 
> about it.
>   Now it's worthy OF approval, BECAUSE it wasn't
> even considered one way or 
> the other?
>   Great logic.
> 
>   It's a food and foods don't get regulated unless
> there is a good reason 
> to believe it's harmful.
> It's also a natural extract when processed, like
> Monosodium Glutamate, 
> accurately labeled as a natural flavoring.
> 
> You may believe that MSG is harmful, but..it's also
> unavoidable.
> The question is, how much?
> 
> Food packagers can't claim a product to be "MSG
> free" because almost NO 
> food has no MSG in it, be it a processed food or
> completely organic.
>   They can only claim that no MSG has been added.
> 
> (For the record, any monosodium glutamate, or MSG,
> used ["added"] to flavor 
> food must be declared on the label as such)
> This, due to public concern and common reactions to
> too much MSG.
> 
> The definition of natural flavorunder the Code of
> Federal Regulations is: 
> the essential oil, oleoresin, essence or extractive,
> protein hydrolysate, 
> distillate, or any product of roasting, heating or
> enzymolysis, which 
> contains the flavoring constituents derived from a
> spice, fruit or fruit 
> juice, vegetable or vegetable juice, edible yeast,
> herb, bark, bud, root, 
> leaf or similar plant material, meat, seafood,
> poultry, eggs, dairy 
> products, or fermentation products thereof, whose
> significant function in 
> food is flavoring rather than
> nutritional(21CFR101.22)
> 
> So, you see..Stevia HAS been "approved"
> 
> By the same logic, STOP USING it!
> ..it must be bad.
> 
> Ode
> 
> 
> At 06:14 PM 2/4/2008 -0600, you wrote:
> 
> >Have you tried stevia? This is natural and the FDA
> refuses to approve it 
> >as a sweetener. For me that is a good
> recommendation.
> >
> >If you have a dog, xylitol is toxic, so be careful.
> >
> >Gene
> 
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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Ode Coyote]

  Dogs aren't people.
 You like Chocolate?

Chocolate contains theobromine. A naturally occurring stimulant
found in the cocoa bean, it's the theobromine
that is poisonous to dogs.

People eat it "because" of the stimulant.
[Both people and dogs like the flavor ]

If we ate any significant amount of a koala bears diet, we would die very fast.
The Koala lives almost entirely on eucalypt leaves. This is likely to be an 
evolutionary adaptation that takes advantage of an otherwise unfilled 
ecological niche, since eucalypt leaves are low in protein, high in 
indigestible substances, and contain phenolic and terpene compounds that 
are very toxic to most species.


ode

At 06:54 PM 2/4/2008 -0600, you wrote:


why would it only be toxic for a dog and not humans?
- Original Message -
From: <mailto:ge...@ix.netcom.com>Gene Wolfe
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

Have you tried stevia? This is natural and the FDA refuses to approve it 
as a sweetener. For me that is a good recommendation.


If you have a dog, xylitol is toxic, so be careful.

Gene

At 05:11 PM 2/4/2008, you wrote:

- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 
<<mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com>mdud...@king-cart.com>

To: <<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner


Has anyone tried erythritol as a calorie free sweetener? Looks 
interesting, expecially since it is not artificial, but a naturally 
occurring  sweetner.


Marshall



Marshall,
I don't think there's any "free ride" with sweeteners. Dr. Jerry Tennant 
says to avoid all sweeteners with "tol" in them, and I tend to agree with 
him. They are toxic to the body.


I do use xylitol, however, as a mouthwash.

Nenah




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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[faith gagne]

The problem is that when any sweetener is consumed it sets up the craving for 
more sweet.  I am not sure if this is true of stevia or any of the newer 
sweeteners, but it is true of all others, sugar, honey, nolasses, etc..


  - Original Message - 
  From: Rowena 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:11 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner


  Apparently even the taste of sweetness is enough to make the body think it is 
sugar and react accordingly.  If you shouldn't have sugar, don't have the 
substitutes. Learn to taste food as it really tastes without sweetening. 
Strikes me that sugar does less harm than the chemical substitutes, anyway.  
But give it up or absolutely minimise it.
  I wonder whether a little date syrup or molasses every now and then would 
satisfy the sweet yearning.
  R

- I don't think there's any "free ride" with sweeteners. 

Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Dianne France]

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ode Coyote 
  It's also a natural extract when processed, like Monosodium Glutamate, 
  accurately labeled as a natural flavoring.

  You may believe that MSG is harmful, but..it's also unavoidable.
  The question is, how much?

  Ode
  We have a friend living and teaching in the Philippines that is assisting 
several women with treatment due to kidney shut down from MSG.  Seems that use 
a lot of it over there to flavor due to lack of funds for meats and such.  They 
use fish heads and marinate it in water with MSG for a week or so and then pour 
that liquid over rice to give the rice flavor.  It seems to effect women more 
than men and a lot of women die young over there.

  There is no free medical over there, even veterans.  They might be seen by a 
doctor but they have to buy their medications or they don't get well from what 
we have been told.

  Dianne

Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Ode Coyote]

 I've seen Stevia products on the shelves as a sweetener, so maybe the FDA 
doesn't have to "approve" ...everything??
 They DIDN'T "approve it" because they have found no reason to even think 
about it.
 Now it's worthy OF approval, BECAUSE it wasn't even considered one way or 
the other?

 Great logic.

 It's a food and foods don't get regulated unless there is a good reason 
to believe it's harmful.
It's also a natural extract when processed, like Monosodium Glutamate, 
accurately labeled as a natural flavoring.


You may believe that MSG is harmful, but..it's also unavoidable.
The question is, how much?

Food packagers can't claim a product to be "MSG free" because almost NO 
food has no MSG in it, be it a processed food or completely organic.

 They can only claim that no MSG has been added.

(For the record, any monosodium glutamate, or MSG, used ["added"] to flavor 
food must be declared on the label as such)

This, due to public concern and common reactions to too much MSG.

The definition of natural flavorunder the Code of Federal Regulations is: 
the essential oil, oleoresin, essence or extractive, protein hydrolysate, 
distillate, or any product of roasting, heating or enzymolysis, which 
contains the flavoring constituents derived from a spice, fruit or fruit 
juice, vegetable or vegetable juice, edible yeast, herb, bark, bud, root, 
leaf or similar plant material, meat, seafood, poultry, eggs, dairy 
products, or fermentation products thereof, whose significant function in 
food is flavoring rather than nutritional(21CFR101.22)


So, you see..Stevia HAS been "approved"

By the same logic, STOP USING it!
..it must be bad.

Ode


At 06:14 PM 2/4/2008 -0600, you wrote:

Have you tried stevia? This is natural and the FDA refuses to approve it 
as a sweetener. For me that is a good recommendation.


If you have a dog, xylitol is toxic, so be careful.

Gene




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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Rowena]

Apparently even the taste of sweetness is enough to make the body think it is 
sugar and react accordingly.  If you shouldn't have sugar, don't have the 
substitutes. Learn to taste food as it really tastes without sweetening. 
Strikes me that sugar does less harm than the chemical substitutes, anyway.  
But give it up or absolutely minimise it.
I wonder whether a little date syrup or molasses every now and then would 
satisfy the sweet yearning.
R

  - I don't think there's any "free ride" with sweeteners. 

RE: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Silvia Messmer]

Lots of things that are fine for humans are toxic to dogs.  Bad things for
dogs are chocolate (especially dark), grapes, raisins, onions, Tylenol, and
yes Xylitol, among other things.  Stevia is OK.

Silvia
www.imageevent.com/redskyahts


  -Original Message-

  At 06:54 PM 2/4/2008, you wrote:

why would it only be toxic for a dog and not humans?

  - Original Message -

  From: Gene Wolfe

  To: silver-list@eskimo.com

  Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:14 PM

  Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner


  Have you tried stevia? This is natural and the FDA refuses to approve
it as a sweetener. For me that is a good recommendation.


  If you have a dog, xylitol is toxic, so be careful.


  Gene


  At 05:11 PM 2/4/2008, you wrote:


- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley"


To: 

Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:28 PM

Subject: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner



  Has anyone tried erythritol as a calorie free sweetener? Looks
interesting, expecially since it is not artificial, but a naturally
occurring  sweetner.


  Marshall



Marshall,

I don't think there's any "free ride" with sweeteners. Dr. Jerry
Tennant says to avoid all sweeteners with "tol" in them, and I tend to agree
with him. They are toxic to the body.


I do use xylitol, however, as a mouthwash.


Nenah

Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[wordsjunkie]

You have to watch Stevia brands. They add stuff to it. And it'll say on the 
box or whatever; That they do it on recommendation of the FDA of some such 
bologna. A lost of times they use the "tols" which have a sky high glycemic 
index.  The only Stevia I have found that does not add anything to their 
Stevia except fiber is Sweetleaf Brand. Every single other company adds 
stuff. And I can't figure out why. Stevia is already sweet. Why are they 
adding another sugar to it, one that's worse than table sugar for your 
glucose levels? It doesn't make any sense, especially if it's only allowed 
as a supplement.






- Original Message - 
From: "Silvia Messmer" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:51 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner


Try stevia.  You can make your own tinctures from organic stevia leaf 
powder

or try the extracts available at your local organic food store.

Silvia

-Original Message-
From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:nenahsyl...@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:12 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner



- Original Message -
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner



Has anyone tried erythritol as a calorie free sweetener? Looks
interesting, expecially since it is not artificial, but a naturally
occurring  sweetner.

Marshall



Marshall,
I don't think there's any "free ride" with sweeteners. Dr. Jerry Tennant
says to avoid all sweeteners with "tol" in them, and I tend to agree with
him. They are toxic to the body.

I do use xylitol, however, as a mouthwash.

Nenah


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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[wordsjunkie]

Hey Marshall:)

I use Stevia. No Calories, and anti cavity as well. And it doesn't raise 
your blood glucose. Some of these artificial sweeteners have a higher 
glycemic index than regular table sugar.




- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:28 PM
Subject: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner


Has anyone tried erythritol as a calorie free sweetener? Looks 
interesting, expecially since it is not artificial, but a naturally 
occurring  sweetner.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Gene Wolfe]

I don't know the answer to that one. We have 3 dogs and have heard 
from several dog sources that it is toxic to dogs. We do not keep 
xylitol for that reason and use stevia or Agave syrup for seeetening.


Gene

At 06:54 PM 2/4/2008, you wrote:

why would it only be toxic for a dog and not humans?
- Original Message -
From: <mailto:ge...@ix.netcom.com>Gene Wolfe
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

Have you tried stevia? This is natural and the FDA refuses to 
approve it as a sweetener. For me that is a good recommendation.


If you have a dog, xylitol is toxic, so be careful.

Gene

At 05:11 PM 2/4/2008, you wrote:

- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 
<<mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com>mdud...@king-cart.com>

To: <<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner


Has anyone tried erythritol as a calorie free sweetener? Looks 
interesting, expecially since it is not artificial, but a 
naturally occurring  sweetner.


Marshall



Marshall,
I don't think there's any "free ride" with sweeteners. Dr. Jerry 
Tennant says to avoid all sweeteners with "tol" in them, and I tend 
to agree with him. They are toxic to the body.


I do use xylitol, however, as a mouthwash.

Nenah

Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[leslie1053]

why would it only be toxic for a dog and not humans?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gene Wolfe 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:14 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner


  Have you tried stevia? This is natural and the FDA refuses to approve it as a 
sweetener. For me that is a good recommendation.

  If you have a dog, xylitol is toxic, so be careful.

  Gene

  At 05:11 PM 2/4/2008, you wrote:


- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner



  Has anyone tried erythritol as a calorie free sweetener? Looks 
interesting, expecially since it is not artificial, but a naturally occurring  
sweetner.

  Marshall


Marshall,
I don't think there's any "free ride" with sweeteners. Dr. Jerry Tennant 
says to avoid all sweeteners with "tol" in them, and I tend to agree with him. 
They are toxic to the body.

I do use xylitol, however, as a mouthwash.

Nenah 

RE: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Silvia Messmer]

Try stevia.  You can make your own tinctures from organic stevia leaf powder
or try the extracts available at your local organic food store.

Silvia

-Original Message-
From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:nenahsyl...@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:12 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner



- Original Message -
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner


> Has anyone tried erythritol as a calorie free sweetener? Looks
> interesting, expecially since it is not artificial, but a naturally
> occurring  sweetner.
>
> Marshall


Marshall,
I don't think there's any "free ride" with sweeteners. Dr. Jerry Tennant
says to avoid all sweeteners with "tol" in them, and I tend to agree with
him. They are toxic to the body.

I do use xylitol, however, as a mouthwash.

Nenah


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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Gene Wolfe]

Have you tried stevia? This is natural and the FDA refuses to approve 
it as a sweetener. For me that is a good recommendation.


If you have a dog, xylitol is toxic, so be careful.

Gene

At 05:11 PM 2/4/2008, you wrote:


- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner


Has anyone tried erythritol as a calorie free sweetener? Looks 
interesting, expecially since it is not artificial, but a naturally 
occurring  sweetner.


Marshall



Marshall,
I don't think there's any "free ride" with sweeteners. Dr. Jerry 
Tennant says to avoid all sweeteners with "tol" in them, and I tend 
to agree with him. They are toxic to the body.


I do use xylitol, however, as a mouthwash.

Nenah

Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Del]

Nenah:

I guess you or Jerry would disagree with the information on this page?

http://www.angelfire.com/az/sthurston/xylitol_natural_sweetener.html

If xylitol does even half the things claimed there, it is worth using.  I am 
pretty sure it is one of the healthiest alternatives to sugar.  I am not 
sure about erythritol, but I am investigating having just purchased some.  I 
have tried Stevia, but can't stand the taste, the aftertaste, and it made me 
sick to my stomach.


One thing I have found out, you should only buy pure Birch xylitol.  Watch 
out for additives in some brands.  I bought some at the Vitamin Shoppe that 
tasted bad and turned CS yellow in a few days.  Pure xylitol does not do 
that.  I add xylitol to CS for nosedrops and mouthwash.


The purest and best tasting xylitol I have found is:

http://www.ultimatelife.com/CatSweet.htm

(It is also one of the most expensive... oh, well.)

Del


- Original Message - 
From: "Nenah Sylver" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner




- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner


Has anyone tried erythritol as a calorie free sweetener? Looks 
interesting, expecially since it is not artificial, but a naturally 
occurring  sweetner.


Marshall



Marshall,
I don't think there's any "free ride" with sweeteners. Dr. Jerry Tennant 
says to avoid all sweeteners with "tol" in them, and I tend to agree with 
him. They are toxic to the body.


I do use xylitol, however, as a mouthwash.

Nenah

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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[sol]

Marshall Dudley wrote:
Has anyone tried erythritol as a calorie free sweetener? Looks 
interesting, expecially since it is not artificial, but a naturally 
occurring  sweetner.



Marshall,
 I have gotten some, but haven't tried it yet. It isn't supposed to 
cause the GI effects that Xylitol and other sugar alcohols do as it is 
supposed to be mainly excreted through the urine.
 Still Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Diet say not to use any sugar alchohols 
at all, as they do raise blood sugar.

sol


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Re: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner

[Nenah Sylver]

- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: CS>Non-nutrative sweetner


Has anyone tried erythritol as a calorie free sweetener? Looks 
interesting, expecially since it is not artificial, but a naturally 
occurring  sweetner.


Marshall



Marshall,
I don't think there's any "free ride" with sweeteners. Dr. Jerry Tennant 
says to avoid all sweeteners with "tol" in them, and I tend to agree with 
him. They are toxic to the body.


I do use xylitol, however, as a mouthwash.

Nenah 



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