Re: Seamonkey Closes Often

[Hartmut Figge]

Frank-Rainer Grahl:

>No teasing needed. It is a bug. Stack size overflow. Either an infinite 
>recursion or we need to change the size. I will look into it.

I have now determind the regression range for SM-Trunk. Using my private
archive.

Last good:
==

- platform.ini -
BuildID=20170214023318
Milestone=54.0a1
SourceStamp=195049fabb7ac5709e5f75614ba630ba3d1b5a9b
---

- application.ini -
Vendor=Mozilla
Name=SeaMonkey
RemotingName=seamonkey
Version=2.51a1-h
BuildID=20170214023318
SourceStamp=d7b2c30e906ef8fc9c8e8d9fcd9fe74c753c0de9
ID={92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
---

First bad:
==

 platform.ini -
BuildID=20170215025629
Milestone=54.0a1
SourceStamp=1060668405a9399774c205430de4a7001d3f27ac
---

- application.ini -
Vendor=Mozilla
Name=SeaMonkey
RemotingName=seamonkey
Version=2.51a1-h
BuildID=20170215025629
SourceStamp=a7db0899f6a4eb581aca3e63668823a416111503
ID={92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
---

The dates are in local time. Germany.

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Re: Seamonkey Closes Often

[Hartmut Figge]

jcteyssi...@gmail.com:

>> Well, call https://oe1.orf.at/player/live in a new tab and then close
>> that tab. Works fine in creating crashes. :)
>
>This page crash here and seamonkey ask my if i wish to send a report: sent.

I have tried with a couple of different 2.53 and different profiles.
Then even with my last usable SM-Trunk, a 2.56a1. All crash.

But primarily I wanted to tease FRG. :-D

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Re: Seamonkey Closes Often

[Hartmut Figge]

Frank-Rainer Grahl:

>Sounds like a silent crash. Did you see a crash report? Have only seen it with 
>Linux now and then but not lately.

Well, call https://oe1.orf.at/player/live in a new tab and then close
that tab. Works fine in creating crashes. :)

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Re: Strange Error Message

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Hartmut Figge:

>Lightning doesn't is in the UA. Easy to notice, if you can always see
   ^<
Oh my. I disown that. O:-)

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Re: Strange Error Message

[Hartmut Figge]

Daniel:

>Which is last in your UA, SM or Lightning??

Lightning doesn't is in the UA. Easy to notice, if you can always see
the UA in the header pane. :)

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Re: Strange Error Message

[Hartmut Figge]

WaltS48:
>Tom Pamin wrote:

>> Why do I get this error message with SM for this web site: 
>> https://www.toposim.net? It only shows "bad-bots.html"? It works fine 
>> with Edge.
>
>Works fine in my Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
>Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.1.

It is interesting, that I get the 'bad-bots.html' if 'Advertise
Lightning installation' is enabled.

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Re: Is there a way to know which extensions may break when upgrading?

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EE:

>Your version of uBlock Origin is out of date.  The current legacy 
>version is 1.16.4.19.  There is a new site just for the legacy versions now.
>https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases

Thanks. I have now updated from 4.11 to 4.19 and saved the link.

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Re: Preference Expired

[Hartmut Figge]

Hartmut Figge:

>Curious as I sometimes be I have tried to get that message. First asking
>ixquick about Fox News and then visiting https://www.foxnews.com/politics
>
>No problem with Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0)
>Gecko/2020030200 SeaMonkey/2.53.2-h

For testing I have changed my UA to yours. Still no problem.

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Re: Preference Expired

[Hartmut Figge]

Larry S.:

>O.K., it didn't work. Still get the message "You don't have permission 
>to access Fox News on this server".
>Any other thoughts?

Curious as I sometimes be I have tried to get that message. First asking
ixquick about Fox News and then visiting https://www.foxnews.com/politics

No problem with Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0)
Gecko/2020030200 SeaMonkey/2.53.2-h

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Re: Building Seamonkey 2.53.1 error on nsstring v0.1.0, both on Devuan and on Arch Linux

[Hartmut Figge]

Frank-Rainer Grahl:

>We are trying to get latest rust support into 2.53.2 at least for Linux. 
>Unfortunately rust is more or less alpha/early beta quality wrt features and 
>deprecation and a constantly moving target.

FWIW, TB-Trunk now requires at least rust-1.41.0.

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Re: Seamonkey-2.53.1 build segmentation fault on Debian, AMD Ryzen

[Hartmut Figge]

Frank-Rainer Grahl:

>Bill had at least one problem with 9 I think. Unless you use the unofficial 
>patches on top of the old comm-release and mozilla-release 2.53.1 might not 
>compile with clang 9.

I am only using the official patches from Bill. clang-9.0.1 is installed
here since 23. Dec. My last build of 2.53.1 was on 10. Dec. The next
build was a 2.53.2b1 on 1. Jan.

So I have never build a 2.53.1 with clang-9.0.1. :)

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Re: Seamonkey-2.53.1 build segmentation fault on Debian, AMD Ryzen

[Hartmut Figge]

Frank-Rainer Grahl:

>The official release was done with gcc  6 but I regularly build with gcc 8 in 
>a Cent OS 7 vm. Sorry no idea. gcc 6 to 8 should work. Maybe try clang 6 to 8. 
>9 might work too.

I am using Gentoo and have abandoned gcc for building SM for some time
now. At the moment I am using clang-9.0.1 and rust-1.37.0.

My .mozconf-253:
export CC=clang
export CXX=clang++

ac_add_options --enable-application=suite
ac_add_options --disable-tests

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Re: No sound in mail notification

[Hartmut Figge]

root:

>apulse seamonkey
>forces seamonkey to load with the appropriate drivers used as a 
>workaround for pulseaudio in Puppy Linux.  Sound now working.

That step was required for an older version of apulse. It was not
necessary anymore with apulse-0.1.12-r4.

Sound in the browser is fine, yes. But I like to be notified of a new
mail by sound too. :)

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Re: No sound in mail notification

[Hartmut Figge]

root:

>Running Puppy Linux 8 (Bionic Pup) with alsa and apulse installed but 
>still no sound in 2.53.1

I had in the browser. With apulse-0.1.12-r4. Gentoo mostly stable.

>Waterfox 2020.02 has sound...I'm perplexed.  Any ideas?

I do not know about waterfox. alsa with apulse? Be that as it may. I had
no sound regarding mail notification. Very annoying. So I decided a few
days ago to install pulseaudio on top of alsa.

That required to get rid of apulse. After a few tweaks I am now content.

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Re: Bug in SM-2.53.2 regarding reply adresses

[Hartmut Figge]

Hartmut Figge:

[...]
Forgot to mention why I posted here. So you can test too. .-D

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Bug in SM-2.53.2 regarding reply adresses

[Hartmut Figge]

Greetings,

after discovering problems regarding reply using my current SM I
downloaded the latest build from Bill and tested that.

Build identifier: 20200224130011

It's better than my current build :), but there are still issues.
Started in a new profile, no configuration except creating an account
for news.mozilla.org and subscribing to mozilla.test.

Tests by using the arrow down options at the right of Reply and Reply
All icons in the toolbar.

1) Trying to reply to one of my own postings
  a) Reply to Newsgroup
 OK
  b) Reply to Sender Only
 The template shows correctly the To: field but it is empty
 Bug
  c) Reply to Sender and Newsgroup
 The line with the Newsgroup: field is correct, the line with the
   To: field is missing
 Bug
  d) Reply to all Recipients
 The line with the Newsgroup: field is correct, the line with the
   To: field is missing
 Bug

Trying to reply to a posting of another poster
  a) Reply to Newsgroup
 OK
  b) Reply to Sender Only
 OK
  c) Reply to Sender and Newsgroup
 The line with the To: field is missing
 Bug
  d) Reply to all Recipients
 OK

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Re: User agent switcher

[Hartmut Figge]

Don Spam's Reckless Son:
> Mr. Ed  wrote:

>What was with that posting?
>No content, and when I wanted to reply to it I had to insert the 
>Newsgroup address using copy and paste?

Such happens sometimes. Seems to be a race condition. Normally it helps
clearing the cache via

Preferences > Advanced > Cache

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Re: Twitter will not show any pictures

[Hartmut Figge]

Rainer Bielefeld:

>sigh, nobody with a good idea?

Well, having used SM-Trunk since it existed and not willing to switch to
a new profile when the old one behaved as it should not, there were
times when I had to chase the culprit.

Tedious. But explaining detailed how to chase is tedious also. Hm. Well,
a non detailed explanation would be, use n/2. :)

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Re: SM 2.53.1b1 file bookmark

[Hartmut Figge]

Ray Davison:
>Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

>> Never seen it in Windows. Delete xulstore.json.from you profile and see 
>> if it gets better. Also try safe mode or a new test profile to make sure 
>> it is not add-on or theme related (if you use a third party one).
>
>I deleted xulstore.json.  That resulted in SM 2.49.5 having he same 
>problem.  I restored the profile and got 2.49.5 OK again.

Did you try safe mode and a new test profile? Those are the standard
ways for problems.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.49.5 - Home button disappeared

[Hartmut Figge]

Marisa Ciceran:

>Paul,
>
>I did that a number of times and it does not bring the Home button back. 
>Any other ideas?

Marisa, please do not top post. Replies belong under the quoted text.

To your question. Interesting enough that I tried to replicate the
problem. With success. :) I opened the Customize menu by right clicking
with the mouse on the Menu Bar. Then I dragged the Home button in the
new window. Result: No Home button in the Bookmarks Toolbar anymore.

So, did you look in the Customize menu for the Home button?

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Re: Highly Confusing "Print To File" - Where does it go ?

[Hartmut Figge]

WaltS48:
>On 1/10/20 9:01 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

>> I'm assuming here that in Win the print dialog is similar to Linux.
>
>Not really.
>
>I replied to another post with step by step instructions on how it works 
>for me using SeaMonkey on Windows 10, with the suggestion to select 
>"Microsoft Print to PDF" which should automatically add the .pdf file 
>type. All he has to do is type a file name into the "File name:" field.

i'm suspecting now that clicking on the "Print" button on Fidelity skips
SM altogether and goes directly to the OS.

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Re: Highly Confusing "Print To File" - Where does it go ?

[Hartmut Figge]

DoctorBill:
>Hartmut Figge wrote:
>> Daniel:
>>> Hartmut Figge wrote on 11/01/20 11:37:
>> 
>>>> Preference Name
>>>>   print.print_to_filename
>>>> Value
>>>>   /home/hafi/mozilla.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Hartmut
>>>>
>>> Are you suggesting, Hartmut, that then, if DocBill were to Double-click
>>> on that value (/home/hafi/mozilla.pdf in your case), DocBill should be
>>> able to send the file wherever he wanted  say
>>> C:\DocBill\Documents\TestResults.pdf ??
>> 
>> No. The goal was to determine filename and path of the file SM would be
>> printing to. Seeing the reply of Bill I have checked in in a new
>> profile. The pref is indeed not there.
>> 
>> It is created the first time the print dialog is opened.
>
>A Ha !  Question - can I insert (edit) into the Config file what you 
>said should be there ?
>
>i.e.  print_to_filename   blah   blah  blah   etc  in that Print_printer 
>blah blah area ?
>
>Would that "program" into SM's config what I need ?

The only thing you need to do is to click on File > Print. :) that opens
the print dialog, creates the pref and allows you to choose filename and
path. Look at the replies of Walt.

I'm assuming here that in Win the print dialog is similar to Linux.

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Re: Highly Confusing "Print To File" - Where does it go ?

[Hartmut Figge]

Daniel:
>Hartmut Figge wrote on 11/01/20 11:37:

>> Preference Name
>>  print.print_to_filename
>> Value
>>  /home/hafi/mozilla.pdf
>> 
>> Hartmut
>> 
>Are you suggesting, Hartmut, that then, if DocBill were to Double-click 
>on that value (/home/hafi/mozilla.pdf in your case), DocBill should be 
>able to send the file wherever he wanted  say 
>C:\DocBill\Documents\TestResults.pdf ??

No. The goal was to determine filename and path of the file SM would be
printing to. Seeing the reply of Bill I have checked in in a new
profile. The pref is indeed not there.

It is created the first time the print dialog is opened.

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Re: Setting up an out-going filter

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Daniel:

>O.K., so you're now talking re-setting the rc file so that it seems as 
>though I've just subscribed to this NG.

That could also be achieved by unsubscribing the NG followed by
resubscribing. But that would not delete the corresponding .msf which is
an important part.

>If I were really worried, yes, I could do that, but ... hey, you guys 
>can see my OP, so, IMHO, not worth the worry/trouble!!

I can surely understand that. :)

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Re: Highly Confusing "Print To File" - Where does it go ?

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DoctorBill:

>I tried searching with the file name - nothing shows up !  Not sure 
>anything WAS saved !

I find your description of the problem highly confusing. ;) Assuming you
are using the possibilities of SM and are unsure, what the filename and
the location of the file, SM is printing to, is, you can do this:

Open about:config in the browser part of SM and there type in the Search
field print_to_filename.

In my case the result is

Preference Name
print.print_to_filename
Value
/home/hafi/mozilla.pdf

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Re: Setting up an out-going filter

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Daniel:

>No, Hartmut, that's the problem! I know I made the OP, because Ray 
>quoted it in his reply  but Ray's reply is the first thing I see in 
>this thread!

Then you have a different problem than the one I described. In that case
the tread pane would be OK. You could see the OP in the thread pane but
could not see the body.

>Hmm! Does it mean anything that, in my reply to Ray, there is a line ...
>
>In-Reply-To: 
>
>
>and in your reply to my reply to Ray there is a similar line 
>
>In-Reply-To: 
>
>But in Ray's reply to my (imaginary) OP there is no similar line??

You posted with
Message-ID: 

Ray answered with
Message-ID:

and
References: 
 <3602163d-679e-6900-bb0c-13f6bab27...@charter.net>

So there is an oddity. One of the references is your MID. The second
one? I suspect this comes from the mailing list which is connected with
this news group.

Nevertheless, that would not explain the problem. The way Walt suggested
can sometimes solve similar problems. Sometimes, perhaps most, but not
always. Unsubscribing and resubscribing the NG may also be enough. But
that too may not suffice.

Well, there was a time when 'Repair Folder' didn't exist and you had to
use a Holzhammer to be sure. Sorry for the word, probably there exists
an English equivalent. *g* It means: use force.

Close SM. Go to your profile, then in the folder News. There you will
find the file newsrc-news.mozilla.org. In this file there is a line
regarding this NG. In my case it is

mozilla.support.seamonkey: 1-113754

Edit this line. Delete all from (inclusive) the first number until the
end of the line. That would leave you with mozilla.support.seamonkey: .

Then go to the sub-folder news.mozilla.org and delete the file
mozilla.support.seamonkey.msf.

I haven't used this approach for a very long time. Should still work.

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Re: Setting up an out-going filter

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Daniel:

>Posting to moz.test is fine and I can reply here!! I don't know!! 

Well, I know of postings which cannot be read. Fine in the thread pane,
but an empty body. If that describes your problem, here is what I do in
such cases. In such very rare cases.

Edit > Preferences > Advanced > Cache. Then 'Clear Cache'. Works for me
and others with the same problem. Perhaps also for you.

Can you now read your OP in mozilla.support.seamonkey? :)

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Re: SM loosesNesgroup subscriptions

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Rainer Bielefeld:

>And the main problem: what the heck might have happened with my User Profile? 
>I 
>have a backup, but comparison will b a horrible work, because I do not know 
>for 
>what difference I should search the profiles

Oh, how good I remember that from the days I used SM-Trunk. *g*

First step should be to determine the root of the problem. aioe does not
use any form of authentication, IIRC, so that should be easy.

New profile, you don't need an E-Mail account. Add news account for aioe
and in that some groups including braunschweig.allgemeines and
braunschweig.kaufrausch. Test. If the issue went away, the problem is
with your old profile. If the issue persists, it has to be aioe.

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Re: SM loosesNesgroup subscriptions

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Rainer Bielefeld:

>Since I did my latest tests on Bug "315025 Special characters in newsgroup 
>name 
>causing problems with newsreader..." 
>, my installation of 
>unofficial (by wg9s) De SeaMonkey 2.53.2(NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
>Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 Build 20191230130008 {Milestone=60.3.2 | 
>SourceStamp=f3720549528fd4e297a4b9f285acd2fe1d0a6938} (Default Classic Theme) 
>on 
>German WIN7 64bit
>looses NG-Subscriptions from server news.aioe.org,iwth which I did the test.
>
>It seems that only NG braunschweig.allgemeines and braunschweig.kaufrausch are 
>affected.
>
>Loss always happens when close and launch again. Sometimes only 1 gets lost, 
>sometimes both ones.

I have tested this on tota-refugium.de with my current Mozilla/5.0 (X11;
Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/2020010622 SeaMonkey/2.53.2-h. No such
issues there.

>Any Idea what I can do?

It may be a problem with aioe. Or some weird problem within your profile. :)

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Re: Setting up an out-going filter

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Hartmut Figge:

>Should I look into the problem? Hm. I suspect there will be serious
>problems with SM-2.57. Better wait for that.

I'm a bit curious so I tested an old SM-2.53. That resides in the folder
1905052243 and is therefore from last May. There the problem with the
preferences does not yet exist. Interesting.

It may be, that it will works for SM-2.49. Perhaps. *g*

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Re: Setting up an out-going filter

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Hartmut Figge:

>There are caveats. Mnenhy is not maintained for a long time so I had to
>modify it. If you are interested I can give you the URL. But it is a
>private modification which works for me and some others.

I haven't used setting prefs for a long time. Now I tried on my
SM-2.53.2. Doesn't work. So forget about Mnenhy.

Should I look into the problem? Hm. I suspect there will be serious
problems with SM-2.57. Better wait for that.

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Re: Setting up an out-going filter

[Hartmut Figge]

Daniel:
>Ray Davison wrote on 09/01/20 16:47:

>> Edit > Mail & News > Account > Copies & Folders > When sending messages 
>>  > Sent folder on
>> 
>Thanks, Ray, that's what I do at the moment, but what I want to do it 
>have the messages sent to some groups on my UseNet account go into one 
>folder/sub-folder and messages sent to other groups *on the same server* 
>going into different folders/sub-folders!!

Looking for a pref I created a sub folder abrakadabra in my mail
account, set Copies for news.mozilla.org to this abrakadabra and looked
in about:config for that name.

Here is the result:

Preference Name
   mail.identity.id3.fcc_folder
Value
   mailbox://hafi@localhost/abrakadabra

So there exists indeed a pref. id3 obviously belongs to news.mozilla.org
on my machine. What you need is a standard value for the server and
different values for some newsgroups.

Sounds like a MailNewsEnhancement. That one could be spelled as mnenh.
Append an y and you have mnenhy. *g*

Mnenhy can indeed set prefs for individual folders. Here is an example
from the profile of my last working SM-Trunk:

http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/mn200109.png

There are caveats. Mnenhy is not maintained for a long time so I had to
modify it. If you are interested I can give you the URL. But it is a
private modification which works for me and some others.

It may be that you have questions. If so, ask.

>(As a side note: here I am replying to Ray's response to my post when I 
>cannot even 'see' my OP!!)

Huh? Why can't you see your OP?

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Re: UTF-7 in SM-2.* for reading postings

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Frank-Rainer Grahl:
>Hartmut Figge wrote:

>> a discussion in de.test showed that postings in UTF-7 could be read
>> properly in current TBs but not in SM-2.53.1. Achim Peters pointed to
>> the bug in which the reading support for UTF-7 was reestablished in TB.
>> 
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1402813
>> 
>> It would be nice if SM could also benefit from that patch. :)
>
>If you promise to test it. But not today. There were a lot of changes in 
>jsmime between 56 and 61. I am not sure if it is only this one change. If it 
>is not a smooth sailing I will let you know.

Seems to work OK in my new SM-2.53. Thanks.

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Re: Default print settings?

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Paul B. Gallagher:

>For no reason I can think of, SM has wiped out all my print settings. 
>Margins are zero all around, and headers and footers are all set to blank.
>
>Can someone remind me of the default values? There's no "reset" button.

Search the greprefs.js for print (or margin). This file is located in
omni.ja which is sort of a zip file.

There are other nice prefs including comments in the dir defaults. :)

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Re: No "helper applications" for xls and doc files

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David E. Ross:

>As I recall, you can add a new helper application by selecting a link in
>a Web page to a .doc or .xls file.  SeaMonkey will then popup a dialogue
>requesting whether to save or open the file.  You then select to open
>the file.  That results in another dialogue that allows you to navigate
>to the desired application's executable.

Once there was a time, when you could create your own Content Type in SM
and associate it with a program of your choosing. I used that for
creating a x-hafi type. IIRC *g*

But that feature is long gone. Together with some other possibilities.

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Re: No "helper applications" for xls and doc files

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Lee:

>It's probably the same now.. you just have to figure out the proper
>"Content Type" for xls and doc files..

I have searched for a .xls on my machine using 'locate' and found one in
the source of SM-2.53. Trying to open that resulted in

http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/xls191223.png

So, install LibreOffice or something equivalent. Perhaps some calc
program will suffice.

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Re: Videa Downloading

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Daniel:

>I'm Dog-sitting for my sister's family whilst they visit the 'in-laws', 
>so I intend giving their Internet a pounding!!
>
>First action is to download a video from youtube.com but, looking at 
>https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/extensions/ there is no 
>Video downloader, or am I not looking right?? (reasonable as why would 
>TB [an e-mail agent] need a video downloader??)
>
>Or do I need to go back to the FireFox site??

Your distro should provide youtube-dl. Install it.

>Or .??
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv_FRBRM0cg

Open a xterm. Make a directory and change into that. E.g. 'mkdir
tmp-down' and 'cd tmp-down'. Type youtube-dl followed by the above link.
Don't forget the 'Enter'. :)

That's all. I've just downloaded the file using youtube-dl in version
2019.11.28.

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Re: SM-2.53-1 doesn't show time progress while downloading

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Hartmut Figge:

>At the moment I have no idea why there are different download windows in
>the 2 profiles.

Preferences->Browser->Downloads
  (x) Open a progress dialog

The default value is
  (x) Open the download manager

And that is the explanation for the two different windows. Phew. Saved
from debugging the prefs.js. :)

Frank, did you look in to the 'progress dialog' option?

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Re: SM-2.53-1 doesn't show time progress while downloading

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Hartmut Figge:

>Time for a new build and looking before doing anything else.

Done. No improvement. Therefore tested in a new profile. Now the time
left was shown, not the elapsed time, and all this in a very different
window.

http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/dm191210-b.png

Compare that with the original window:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/dm191210.png

At the moment I have no idea why there are different download windows in
the 2 profiles. So far I have determined that it has nothing to do with
the choice of Default or Modern theme. Also the value of

ui.allow_platform_file_picker

does not matter. Filing a bug makes no sense unless I have found the
reason why. Probably something in the prefs.js. Relatively easy to
determine. If that proves to be correct then a n/2 approach on the
prefs.js. But I do not want to do that. ;)

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Re: SM-2.53-1 doesn't show time progress while downloading

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Frank-Rainer Grahl:

>> look at http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/dm191210.png
>
>I fixed the download manager for this some time ago ...

The 'some time' may be between my last build and now. Time for a new
build and looking before doing anything else.

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SM-2.53-1 doesn't show time progress while downloading

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Greetings,

look at http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/dm191210.png
You will see it shows that 0 sec have elapsed while downloading. Should
be a bug. Experienced with

[App]
Vendor=Mozilla
Name=SeaMonkey
RemotingName=seamonkey
Version=2.53.1-h
BuildID=20191201063137
SourceStamp=163da011e3b619d5d1f73c090da4e5713478de6e
ID={92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}

[Gecko]
MinVersion=60.3.1
MaxVersion=60.3.1

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Re: Is there a way to make SM's Internet search do more than one web sites at once?

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Ant:

>Or only one search engine at a time?
>
>Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

Don't know if I understand what you want. Perhaps. Well, there is MetaGer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaGer

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Re: dotted emails

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Daniel:
>Klaus Weber wrote on 21/11/2019 8:12 AM:

>> SM 2.49.2, Windows 10
>> 
>> Is there a possibility to delete lots of dotted emails?
>
>'dotted emails'?? What??

Thanks for asking that. :)

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Re: Can't add new email account

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Hartmut Figge:

>Mhm, it is an impression that about:config was not always there. I still
>have old builds of SM, well before the first official, that was the
>SM-1.5a.

My memory could really be better. I realized that after looking in my
Sent folder.

On 03.07.05 00:50 my UA was
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8b2) Gecko/20050702
Mnenhy/0.7.2.10005
That must have been my last Suite.

and on 03.07.05 01:40 my UA was
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8b2) Gecko/20050703
SeaMonkey/1.0a Mnenhy/0.7.2.10005
That must have been my first SM.

On 06.11.05 08:52 my UA was
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9a1) Gecko/20051106
SeaMonkey/1.5a Mnenhy/0.7.2.10015
That was my first SM-1.5a

On 30.05.07 00:48 my UA was
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9a5pre) Gecko/20070529
Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 SeaMonkey/1.5a
That was my last SM-1.5a. The 1.5a lasted a long time.

On 30.05.07 01:56 my UA was
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9a5pre) Gecko/20070530
Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 SeaMonkey/2.0a1pre

That should be enough. :)

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UTF-7 in SM-2.* for reading postings

[Hartmut Figge]

Greetings,

a discussion in de.test showed that postings in UTF-7 could be read
properly in current TBs but not in SM-2.53.1. Achim Peters pointed to
the bug in which the reading support for UTF-7 was reestablished in TB.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1402813

It would be nice if SM could also benefit from that patch. :)

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Re: Can't add new email account

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Daniel:

>Hartmut, I just did that (re-ordered the accounts) by re-ordering the 
>accounts in the 
>user_pref("mail.accountmanager.accounts","account1,account5,account2,account4,account3");
>pref in 'about:config' then completely closing SeaMonkey and re-starting SM.

Ah, so it works still. Fine. It may be that my experiments were at a
time when about:config not yet existed. *g*

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Re: Can't add new email account

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JAS:

>Removing the mail.server.server*.valid account listings work and Iwas 
>able to crear a new mail account. Now is there a add-on that will allow 
>me to reorder the email accounts in the account pane?

There is another way to achieve what you want. First, close SM and make
a backup of your prefs.js. In my current profile there are these lines
in the prefs.js:

user_pref("mail.account.account1.server", "server1");
user_pref("mail.account.account2.identities", "id1");
user_pref("mail.account.account2.server", "server2");
user_pref("mail.account.account3.identities", "id2");
user_pref("mail.account.account3.server", "server3");
user_pref("mail.account.account4.identities", "id3");
user_pref("mail.account.account4.server", "server4");
user_pref("mail.account.account5.identities", "id4");
user_pref("mail.account.account5.server", "server5");
user_pref("mail.account.lastKey", 6);
user_pref("mail.accountmanager.accounts",
"account1,account2,account3,account4,account5");

Edit your prefs.js by changing the order in the last pref. Start SM and
look if the order of accounts is now what you want.

In case you messed up, close SM and replace the modified prefs.js with
the backup.

I admit I haven't done such a manipulation for many years, but I seem to
remember that it worked. Any way, you have your backup. :)

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Re: Where is it?

[Hartmut Figge]

Jonathan N. Little:

>I use the mnenhy extension that gives you fine grain control over
>headers...
>
>

Mnenhy is the one extension I do not wish to be without. Regarding
headers, selecting 'Extended Normal View' you can define what headers
you want to see.

http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/mn191010.png

For testing mailnews.headers.showUserAgent I had to switch to 'Normal'.
Not too much effort.

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Re: Where is it?

[Hartmut Figge]

Paul in Houston, TX:

>To add to Walt's post, my OLD SM

Old? It was built in the future, in 2020. *g*

>does not have 'Display User Agent' in about:config.  It has:
>mailnews.headers.showUserAgent>Your new SM is likely different but it might be 
>something to check.

Sine a very long time I have
user_pref("mailnews.headers.showUserAgent", true);
in my user.js. Still works.

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Re: Sites Ask To Upgrade Browser

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David E. Ross:

>.
> There, I enter my real name and my valid E-mail address.

Not going to happen. But I used Anton Emil and me@localhost. :)

> I then select "GET IT NOW".  Nothing happens.

Same here. But there is an explanation for this behavior:

JavaScript error: https://www.corelogic.com/js/main.js?v=4, line 471:
ReferenceError: GetElqCustomerGUID is not defined

So it does not seem to be a bug in SM.

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Re: Sites Ask To Upgrade Browser

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David E. Ross:

>Only one Web site that I frequently visit will not work with SeaMonkey:
>.

What does not work? Opening the above link with my 2.53.1 succeeds.

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Re: Can't reach some websites

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Hartmut Figge:

>Works with my SM-2.53.1. A video did not not, due to
  ^^^
Hm, *g*. On a pure NG I would have superseded this error, but there is
AFAIK a connection to a ML, so it would not help.

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Re: Can't reach some websites

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Paul B. Gallagher:

>I can't see anything at all on the Huskers site, other than the footer. 
>The rest of the page is blank.

Works with my SM-2.53.1. A video did not not, due to

JavaScript warning:
https://sports.cbsimg.net/js/CBSi/app/VideoPlayer/Client-min-v0330.js,
line 1: unreachable code after return statement

>I'm also having trouble with nhl.com, ...

Works too, but requires 'Advertise Firefox compatibility'. Leads to a
Login where you can buy content. I didn't do that so I don't know what
would happen afterwards. ;)

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Re: Twitter WTH???

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WaltS48:

>This page displays just fine for me  
>in my SM 2.49.5 without any extensions or UA changes.

Sometime in the past I changed my UA for Twitter to
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/2019082518 Firefox/60.0
SeaMonkey/2.53-h

That worked fine the few times I actually needed it for a link. Now, it
failed. The UA provided by Jonathan works for the above link so I have
changed the entry for Twitter in my user.js accordingly.

My normal UA doesn't work for Twitter. With advertise FF or without.

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Re: error opening seamonkey in Linux

[Hartmut Figge]

martinlant...@gmail.com:

>'./seamonkey-bin: error while loadig shared libraries: (FILENAME): cannot open 
>shared object file: no such file or directory'
>
>What to do?

Don't know why you hid the name of the missing lib. Anyway, SM needs it
and your Puppy has to provide it. How to do that and if it even is
possible, that's a quest for you. ;)

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Re: Can't Pay Bills From Bank Account Anymore but Okay in Chrome

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Frank-Rainer Grahl:

>SeaMonkey 2.49.5 and up will show a small zoom control in the status bar with 
>browser.zoom.showZoomStatusPanel set to true.

Indeed. Nice.

>In the preferences panel with 2.53 and up too.

Where? Ah, just discovered. Appearance->Content
  [x] Show zoom controls in the status bar.

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Re: Next unofficial 2.53.1 needs a new Lightning version

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Hartmut Figge:
>Yamo':
>
>>I have in extension folder :
>>
>>mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi
>>{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}.xpi (small xpi)
>
>These are in seamonkey/extensions, but you need to look in
>/seamonkey/distribution/extensions. ;)
 ^
Without this /

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Re: Next unofficial 2.53.1 needs a new Lightning version

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Yamo':

>I have in extension folder :
>
>mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi
>{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}.xpi (small xpi)

These are in seamonkey/extensions, but you need to look in
/seamonkey/distribution/extensions. ;)

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Re: Next unofficial 2.53.1 needs a new Lightning version

[Hartmut Figge]

Frank-Rainer Grahl:

>or some mozilla new feature removals

Gracious. *g*

>Please either pick the xpi manually and update or remove the old version and 
>then use about:config to remove the key 
>extensions.installedDistroAddon.{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103} if 
>present.

Will do that for my next build on 11/01.

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Re: SeaMonkey v2.49.5 released!

[Hartmut Figge]

WaltS48:
>On 10/6/19 5:27 AM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

>> Lucky you.  A month has passed and Opensuse has still not noticed that 
>> this new level is available.
>
>That's why I don't use distribution builds.

You could go one step further. Create your own builds. That way you can
modify them, change some things. :)

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Re: Is there a way to have each Mail folder's list show its own column customization?

[Hartmut Figge]

Rainer Bielefeld:
>On 06.10.2019 01:13, Hartmut Figge wrote:

>> http://www.triffids.de/pub/mnenhy/
>
>can you tell what adaptions have been done in that version compared to version 
>Mnenhy 0.8.6.1-signed.1-let-fixed.1-signed from Classic Add-ons Archive?

Important changes are mentioned in the files 'notiz' in the different
subfolders. They relate to changes regarding the previous version.

It may be necessary to set certain prefs for a successful installation.
Since I had no problems to test that in a fresh profile in SM-2.53.1
those prefs seem to have the required default values there.

Don't know about SM-2.49.x, but AFAIR someone has mentioned to still use
the .h2. The .h4 should be downward compatible to the .h2. Should. ;)

Remember, the modifications are intended for private use only.

They don't suffice for the current TB and may not suffice for the
upcoming SM-2.57. In the latter case it is possible that there will be a
.h5. The 'notiz' then will probably only contain 'many changes'. :)

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Re: Is there a way to have each Mail folder's list show its own column customization?

[Hartmut Figge]

Ant:
>On 10/5/2019 2:03 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

>> I am doing this using Mnenhy. You have to deselect 'inherit parent data'
>> from 'Folder Storage' for that.
>...
>
>Where can I get that? http://mnenhy.mozdev.org and 
>https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/mnenhy/?src=search 
>are not working. :(

Mnenhy was  abandoned. I didn't want to be without so I modified it. For
private use only. Well, I shared it with others, eventually, and they
seem to use it without problems for SM-2.49.x.

For me, I have used it until the last usable SM-Trunk and am now using
the .h4 for SM-2.53. It doesn't work for the current TB, but since I am
not using that... ;)

I have just installed the .h4 in a fresh profile of my 2.53.1 without
problems. Interesting, that. I assumed there still had to be some
preferences set to enable a successful installation.

http://www.triffids.de/pub/mnenhy/

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Re: Is there a way to have each Mail folder's list show its own column customization?

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Ant:

>Like my sent folders doesn't need to show From column, but my inbox and 
>other non-sent folders do. I have to have From column set for ALL 
>folders. :(

I am doing this using Mnenhy. You have to deselect 'inherit parent data'
from 'Folder Storage' for that.

Among other possibilities you can choose 'size' instead of the default
'lines' for certain NGs. Or switch the language of dictionaries per NG
or news server. Or... :)

Maybe there is another way to arrange for different layouts regarding
the columns I do not know of.

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Re: Go Fund me

[Hartmut Figge]

Hawker:

>https://www.gofundme.com/f/deputy-sandeep-singh-dhaliwal-scholarship-fund

http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/gf191001.png
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/2019100103 SeaMonkey/2.53.1-h

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Re: Required skill set for volunteers - was [Re: next version expected when?]

[Hartmut Figge]

Frank-Rainer Grahl:

>https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Developer_guide/Build_Instructions/Simple_Thunderbird_build

That one I had discovered yesterday via Ixquick and it was very useful
because it mentioned and linked to Mercurial bundles. I was desperate
because determining the reason why my builds failed proved nearly
impossible and I wished to test with a fresh source.

Cloning mozilla-central failed at the stage of getting files. What a
blessing that there were the bundles. :)

It emerged that indeed the old source was corrupt, caused by
"./mach bootstrap --no-system-changes" which was recommended in
mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird.

Now I could search for the original bustage. With "./mach configure".
Success. I have successfully built TB-Trunk and SM-Trunk. SM-2.53 and
SM2.57 must wait because Bill's site is down.

The real cause is a Bug in Build-Config in TB and SM. Too early to file
it, needs more investigation and perhaps a patch.

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Re: Unable to acces a site which contain an image

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WaltS48:

>Anybody else see two vertical scroll bars on the right side of the 
>window in their SeaMonkey?

Depends. *g*

Dependent on the state of 'Advertise Firefox compatibility' I am getting
different results. Yours with the two scroll bars appears when using
'Advertise'.

Even the content of the search window after calling google is different
regarding 'Advertise'.

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No sound in mail notification (was: Re: SeaMonkey 2.57 for MacOS)

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Hartmut Figge:

>apulse works for sound in the browser. Not in notifications. Perhaps it
>will in a newer version of apulse.

https://bugs.gentoo.org/691982

Let's wait and see.

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Re: images blurred

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Paul B. Gallagher:
>Hartmut Figge wrote:
>> WaltS48:
>>> On 8/12/19 9:46 AM, meagain wrote:

>>>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/
>>>
>>> Not blurry for me using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0)
>>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4
>>  
>> That's because of^. :) If you want to see to see the problem, uncheck
>> 'Advertise Firefox compatibility'.
>
>I can reproduce the problem without difficulty using the standard UA 
>"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
>Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4." Disabling 

Hm. Walt did not see the problem. I assumed it was because of the
Firefox/52.0 in his UA.

>"Advertise Firefox compatibility" as you suggest has no effect -- the problem 
>persists.

Well, the problem should have gone with advertising FF. *g* It is so
with my SM-2.53. With 'Advertise' I have

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/2019080313 Firefox/60.0
SeaMonkey/2.53-h

and the problem is gone. Without 'Advertise' I have

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/2019080313 SeaMonkey/2.53-h

and blurry pictures. Walt and you have both Firefox/52.0 in the UA, so
the version of FF is the same. Regarding the UA. You should see the same
as Walt. Hm.

Clearing the cache? Preferences->Advance->Cache

>Maybe they have a dossier on me and know I'm a Yankee fan? ;-)

I assume this a baseball club. ;)

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Re: images blurred

[Hartmut Figge]

WaltS48:
>On 8/12/19 9:46 AM, meagain wrote:

>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/
>
>Not blurry for me using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) 
>Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4

That's because of^. :) If you want to see to see the problem, uncheck
'Advertise Firefox compatibility'.

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Re: UA spoofing

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Paul B. Gallagher:

>Could someone remind me again how to lie to a specific website about my 
>user agent? They're doing bad browser sniffing and refuse to play until 
>I prove that I have at least Firefox 47 [sic].

Here are two examples from my user.js:

user_pref("general.useragent.override.independent.co.uk", "Mozilla/5.0
(X11; Linux x86_64; rv:59.0) Gecko/2018010400 Firefox/59.0
SeaMonkey/2.56a1-h");

user_pref("general.useragent.override.whatsapp.com", "Mozilla/5.0
(Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)  Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0")

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.57 for MacOS

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Frank-Rainer Grahl:

>Works in Ubuntu 18.04 using this one as a sample.
>https://file-examples.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/file_example_WAV_1MG.wav

Interesting. Nice music, but sadly same error here.

>ALSA is just unsupported in 2.53.

apulse in Gentoo, version 0.1.12-r4, is now able to satisfy the
compiling of 2.53 and 2.57. Therefore my mozconfig is now

---
hafi@i5-64 ~ $ cat .mozconf-253
export CC=clang
export CXX=clang++

ac_add_options --enable-application=suite

ac_add_options --disable-tests

# ac_add_options --enable-calendar

# ac_add_options --disable-pulseaudio
# ac_add_options --enable-alsa

# ac_add_options --disable-crashreporter
---

apulse works for sound in the browser. Not in notifications. Perhaps it
will in a newer version of apulse.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.57 for MacOS

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Frank-Rainer Grahl:

>It is only good for testing. Mail and news plus a few other things broken. 
>2.53 should be fully functional but it gets limited testing. Mostly from me I 
>think when I did some bigger backports.

On Linux I'm getting this when trying 'Play' for 'Custom sound file' in
Preferences->Mail & Newsgroups->Notifications' using SM 2.53:

JavaScript error: chrome://communicator/content/pref/preferences.js,
line 94: NS_ERROR_NOT_AVAILABLE: Component returned failure code:
0x80040111 (NS_ERROR_NOT_AVAILABLE) [nsISound.play]

I know I should have investigated this further. Related to Alsa vs.
Pulseaudio perhaps? Maybe others on Linux can contribute if there is a
general Linux problem.

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Re: SeaMonkey seems to be more and more unsupported by modern web-applications

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chokito:

>I use 2.49.5 64-bit from https://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/ and have no problems.
>general.useragent.override;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:67.0) 
>Gecko/20100101 Firefox/67.0

Then this is the one whatsapp will see. And all others beside the
following three.

>general.useragent.override.instagram.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; 
>x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5
>general.useragent.override.netflix.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; 
>rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0
>general.useragent.override.youtube.com;Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; 
>x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.5

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Re: SeaMonkey seems to be more and more unsupported by modern web-applications

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ovchinnikov.vas...@gmail.com:

>Just only "general.useragent[DOT]override.whatsapp.com".

Right. Thanks.

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Re: SeaMonkey seems to be more and more unsupported by modern web-applications

[Hartmut Figge]

Ray_Net:
>Hartmut Figge wrote on 13-06-19 18:12:

>> user_pref("general.useragent,override.whatsapp.com", "Mozilla/5.0
>> (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)  Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0");

>Are you in SM 2.53 ?

Sort of. A self compiled one. Some minor private patches.

>and my UI did correct the whasapp problem ?

It did. And my pref makes sure that only whatsapp sees the changed UA.

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Re: SeaMonkey seems to be more and more unsupported by modern web-applications

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Ray_Net:

>Try to use https://web.whatsapp.com/ with a real FireFox  or .
>
>This is my UI: User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
>Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0
>but really I am under SM 2.49.1

Nice. Now there is a new entry in my user.js:

user_pref("general.useragent,override.whatsapp.com", "Mozilla/5.0
(Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0)  Gecko/20100101 Firefox/63.0");

Company to the prefs for bbc and independent. :)

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Re: Link to Firefox browser side?

[Hartmut Figge]

Ken Rudolph:

>user_pref("general.useragent,override.netflix.com", "C:\Program Files 
>(x86)\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe";

That will not work. You could use the UA provided by Walt in this pref.
In that case only Netflix would see this UA, all others should not be
affected. If you do not like the user.js. you could create a new pref
using about:config.

But if you really want to call FF when visiting Netflix, I am not aware
of such a possibllity short of modifying the source of SM and then
building an own one.

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Re: Link to Firefox browser side?

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Ken Rudolph:

>Too many sites these days just do not support links from e-mail to the 
>SeaMonkey browser (no matter how I set it to spoof Firefox). 

Hm. Did you try
user_pref("general.useragent,override.netflix.com", "Your FF-UA";?

Sorry, can't try it. Netflix insists on a subscription. And I do not
know what the actual FF-UA is.

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Re: Website Blocked

[Hartmut Figge]

EE:
>Hartmut Figge wrote:

>> Could you provide the UA used by your Safari?

>Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_12_6) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, 
>like Gecko) Version/12.0 Safari/605.1.15

Thanks. Still blocked.

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Re: Website Blocked

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EE:

>I doubt that it is geo-blocking.  I have 5 different browsers, and it worked 
>properly with Safari, but not the other 4 browsers.

Could you provide the UA used by your Safari?

>I am not in the US either.

Ditto. Germany.

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Re: Name of password file

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Keith N. McKenna:

>I recently inadvertently deleted my saved passwords file. can someone
>point me to the name of the file so I can restore it from backup?
>SeaMonkey version 2.49.4 OS version Windows 10 1809.

I had this problem when migrating from SM-2.56a1 to SM-2.53. Because the
profile of the 2.56a1 was very old and often repaired, since it belonged
to Trunk where problems were naturally, I wanted the profile of the 2.53
to be a fresh one.

For the passwords IIRC I had to copy key4.db and logins.json. After
making backups of the old ones, of course.

But if you use a master password, I never did so I do not know. You have
to experiment like I did during my migration.

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Re: SM, Linux and sound. Regarding Alsa & Pulseaudio

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»Q«:

>Just a guess:  maybe notifications are a special case; maybe TB/SM
>hand them off to some external software which plays the WAV. 

That would have to be software which is installed on every Linux system
which is capable of using TB or SM. I am not aware of such a beast.

BTW, while experimenting with the browser of 2.57, trying 'Open File'
with klingeln.wav, an unwelcome entry was added to the Helper
Applications. And I could find no way to delete that entry.

Worse, the same entry was now in my 2.53. Oh, the old days, when you
could manipulate the Helper Applications at you will. When you even
could add entries freely invented. *g*

So I had to search for the place where the unwanted entry was stored.
Work, sigh. But now it is gone. :)

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Re: SM, Linux and sound. Regarding Alsa & Pulseaudio

[Hartmut Figge]

Frank-Rainer Grahl:

>I am not aware of any Alsa fixes specifically for TB. As far as I know it was 
>kept disabled in TB 52. Have you installed apulse?

No. At the moment I haven't installed anything regarding pulse. In
Bill's browser the sound does not work, but it does in notifications.

There's a reason why I am scratching my head. :)

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Re: Efficient searching Seamonkey -- reoganizing tool?

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Richard Owlett:

>I'm looking for a solution [short of a time machine] to properly 
>organize my bookmarks.

Well, you have one solution for this directly before your nose. *fg*

Export your bookmarks as HTML, make a backup, import them in the
composer of SM, manipulate them e.g. by moving with the mouse.

There is one problem with importing the new list. You did make a backup
of your bookmarks.html, hm?

Before importing the newly arranged bookmarks I would recommend deleting
all of them in your SM. Then, after importing, you may have to move some
contents.

I had that pleasure lately when moving from 2.56a1 to 2.53. Not sure if
the behaviour is a bug.

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Re: Efficient searching Seamonkey -- reoganizing tool?

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EE:

>Use folders to categorize your bookmarks.  That makes them easier to find.

The point is finding those folders when searching.

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SM, Linux and sound. Regarding Alsa & Pulseaudio

[Hartmut Figge]

Greetings,

SM-2.57 from Bill can play no sound in the browser on a Linux using Alsa
instead of Pulseaudio. That is as expected. Tested with youtube. Now,
curious as I sometimes am, a question came up and didn't stop bothering me.

What has TB done about the problem Alsa/Pulseaudio? Yes, there is use
for sound in TB. The notification of incoming mail can play a sound. So
I fetched the last Daily, selected klingeln.wav and clicked on play. It
worked. No problem with my Alsa.

Hm.

Next step. SM-2.57 cannot use MailNes, but under Preferences there is
Notifications for incoming mail. Choosing klingeln.way, clicking play
and ... it worked. Astonishing.

So it seems 2.57 *can* use Alsa. If it chooses. :-)

At the moment I am scratching my head.

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Re: YouTube web site problem but NOT Video playback

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Robert Traynor:

>I have a problem in SeaMonkey 2.53 x64 (from WG9S web site) Build: 
>20190425130005 and earlier had same problem (as did 2.49).
>
>If I browse to https://www.youtube.com/ nothing on the site is 
>clickable. All elements are greyed out. This effect is only on YouTube 
>and nowhere else I have found so far.

I am using 2.53 too, probably configured differently and some values are
set in my user.js. I'm getting different content on youtube depending on
the checkbox below:

Edit->preferences->Advanced->HTTP Networking
   [x] Advertise Firefox Compatibility

You may give it a try. Unchecking the box improves youtube for me. If
that doesn't help you could try spoofing the UA.

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Re: SM-2.53: dateformat

[Hartmut Figge]

EE:

>That should be using whatever format you set up for your operating system. 

It should and did so in the past. Then the problems began. They are
fixed in SM-253 if you are not too blind to find the controls.

>Does Linux not have an analog to Control Panel or System Preferences?

Hm. On Linux you can choose between many desktop environments. They are
quite different. You can even choose to use no desktop at all. That's my
choice.

But I feel this is getting too much off topic here. Let's stop.

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Re: SM-2.53: dateformat

[Hartmut Figge]

»Q«:
>In <news:b93ec2a6-c0a0-28eb-9e0e-df4c91e16...@hfigge.myfqdn.de>,
>Hartmut Figge  wrote:
>> Jim Taylor:

>> >I tried to test this for you on my openSUSE LEAP 15.0 system but
>> >your build needs glibc 2.27 and I only have 2.26 so it won't run.  
>> 
>> Thank you for trying. The result would have been interesting. I am
>> using Gentoo, mostly stable, but my glibc is part of stable.
>
>You could probably find someone on the gentoo-user ml willing to test
>it.

A possibility.

Mozilla has abandoned the support for Alsa. I noticed that at a time
when I still could use SM-Trunk. My choice was to switch from Alsa to
Pulseaudio, cease to use Mozilla or find a workaround.

At the moment the future of SM is not clear. The 2.57 may come, but
after that? I may have to cease using SM anyway. For the time being, I
am using private builds which can use Alsa. Since SM-Trunk is no longer
usable I have now switched to 2.53.

There may be others who do not like Pulseaudio. For those who have to
choose also I have tried to find a way building 2.57 which could use
both Alsa and Pulseaudio.

That is work. For me personally I am happy with my own private builds
which use Alsa. So I have another choice. Should I just stay with my own
builds and forget about others?

Perhaps.

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Re: SM-2.53: dateformat

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Jim Taylor:

>I tried to test this for you on my openSUSE LEAP 15.0 system but your 
>build needs glibc 2.27 and I only have 2.26 so it won't run.

Thank you for trying. The result would have been interesting. I am using
Gentoo, mostly stable, but my glibc is part of stable.

hafi@i5-64 ~ $ eix glibc
[I] sys-libs/glibc
 Available versions:  (2.2) [M]**2.19-r2^s [M]2.23-r4^s
[M]~2.24-r4^s [M]2.25-r11^s [M]2.26-r7^s [M]2.27-r6^s 2.28-r6^s
~2.29-r2^s **^s

All versions smaller than 2.28 are masked and cannot be installed. That
happens normally when serious problems are discovered. At the moment I
am using 2.28. Unstable is at 2.29.

Hm.

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Re: SM-2.53: dateformat

[Hartmut Figge]

Frank-Rainer Grahl:

>Alsa is no longer supported.

I know that. But as long as there are workarounds...

>Not sure if they fixed it but with tests enabled 
>(ok they are broken anyway) the compile wouldn't go thru.

Interesting. Haven't tested that.

>The only supported option is ac_add_options --enable-pulseaudio which should 
>be the default.

It is now the default. But

ac_add_options --enable-alsa

still produces a SM capable of using alsa. At least until 2.57. The
question is, if such a SM can also use pulseaudio.

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Re: SM-2.53: dateformat

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Don Spam's Reckless Son:

>Are you now trying to debug Seamonkey or your Linux setup?

I am trying to determine if on a Linux which uses pulseaudio a SM-2.57
built with

# ac_add_options --disable-pulseaudio
ac_add_options --enable-alsa

has a working sound. There should be a lot of such Linuxes in the wild
because many distributions now use pulseaudio. AFAIK.

I know it should work on a Linux using alsa. At least it does for me. To
answer the question myself, I would have to install such a distribution.

So I am hoping that there is someone curious enough to take the test. It
is possible. ;)

>The obvious question being if sound works for other applications

No. The question is if this specific 2.57 has sound as well on alsa as
on pulseausdio.

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Re: SM-2.53: dateformat

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Hartmut Figge:

>With
>
>ac_add_options --disable-pulseaudio
>ac_add_options --enable-alsa
>
>I have sound in my 2.57. That is fine for a private build, but
>otherwise... hm.

No I have build a 2.57 with these options

# ac_add_options --disable-pulseaudio
ac_add_options --enable-alsa

The entry with pulseaudio is commented out and therefore not active. As
expected the build failed with

 0:12.71 checking MOZ_ALSA_LIBS... -lasound
 0:12.72 checking for libpulse... Package libpulse was not found in the
pkg-config search path.
 0:12.72 Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libpulse.pc'
 0:12.72 to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
 0:12.72 No package 'libpulse' found
 0:12.72 configure: error: pulseaudio audio backend requires libpulse
development package

So I installed pulseaudio. That does not mean that I could hear sound
using pulseausio, though. *g*

This time the build succeeded. No sound in this build. So I removed
pulseaudio and tried again. Success. With this build sound should work
on Linux using alsa.

But what with a system using pulseaudio? If there are Linux users using
pulseaudio, it would be nice, if someone tested this build for sound.

E.g. using youtube. Remember, that in 2.57 the MailNews part does not
work. Only the browser should be tested.

WARNING!
Don't use an existing profile. Use a new one. Unpack the .tar.bz2
somewhere in $HOME, navigate to the appropriate place and start the
build with ./seamonkey -no-remote -p. This opens the 2.57 into the
profile manager where you can create a new profile and start it there.

The -no-remote part is in case you have already another SM running.

http://www.triffids.de/pub/sm/sm-2.57/

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Re: SM-2.53: dateformat

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Hartmut Figge:

>I'll have to test 2.57 for that.

Yes. With

ac_add_options --disable-pulseaudio
ac_add_options --enable-alsa

I have sound in my 2.57. That is fine for a private build, but
otherwise... hm.

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Re: SM-2.53: dateformat

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Ray_Net:

>intl.locale.matchOS set to false
>and I did not know where is LC_MESSAGE
>and my user.js contaisn only:
># to minimize disk activities 30 minutes instead of 15 seconds
>user_pref("browser.sessionstore.interval", 180);
>and my date/time is dd-mm-yy hh:mm
>I think that I am under 2.49.1

The problem is solved in SM-253. Like FRG wrote there is now a checkbox
in Appearances. LC_MESSAGES is part of the Linux Environment, determines
the language in which programs like e.g. compilers communicate.

I have deliberatedly set it to en-US. All other values are German.

hafi@i5-64 ~ $ locale
LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE="de_DE.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="de_DE.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="de_DE.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="de_DE.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="de_DE.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
LC_PAPER="de_DE.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="de_DE.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="de_DE.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="de_DE.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="de_DE.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="de_DE.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=

SM-2.53 will surely be not so exiting as SM-Trunk regarding bugs. *g*

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Re: SM-2.53: dateformat

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Frank-Rainer Grahl:

>This is exposed in the 2.53 preferences under Apperance -> Date and Time 
>Formatting.

Tested in a new profile. You are right and I am blind.

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Re: SM-2.53: dateformat

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Frank-Rainer Grahl:

>Needs pulseaudio for sure.

No. Needs

ac_add_options --disable-pulseaudio
ac_add_options --enable-alsa

I'll have to test 2.57 for that.

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Re: SM-2.53: dateformat

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Hartmut Figge:

>Seems to be a problem with the localization. Or I am mising something.
>What to do? Bug?

I just remembered this problem happened some time ago on Trunk.

http://reusenet.froehlich.priv.at/posting.php?msgid=8993442e-de1a-a269-5a88-904a98f58...@hfigge.myfqdn.de

Sorry, in German. Written by ma and I had totally forgotten. *g*

The gist is

intl.locale.matchOS has to be set to true
and
LC_MESSAGES
must be set appropriate.

Works. Now to the problem of no sound in 2.53.

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SM-2.53: dateformat

[Hartmut Figge]

Greetings,

my 2.53 displays date in the thread pane in this way:

5/8/19 6.21 PM

for me in Germany it should be this way:

08.05.19, 18:21

I'm using the same user.js as in my 2.56a1 where the display is as
wanted. After asking in a German NG I append my user.js so:

user_pref("mail.ui.display.dateformat.default", 2);
user_pref("mail.ui.display.dateformat.today", 0);
user_pref("mail.ui.display.dateformat.thisweek", 1);

and now I get

6:21 PM

Seems to be a problem with the localization. Or I am mising something.
What to do? Bug?

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Re: Browsing in Wary Puppy 5.5

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WaltS48:

>As far as I know, no distro ships SeaMonkey anymore.

On Gentoo:

hafi@i5-64 ~ $ eix -c seam
[N] www-client/seamonkey (2.49.9.1_p0): Seamonkey Web Browser
[N] www-client/seamonkey-bin (2.48): Mozilla Application Suite - web
browser, email, HTML editor, IRC

Hartmut
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