Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
On Apr 1, 9:21 am, Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: Terry R. wrote: The date and time was Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:48:11 PM, and on a whim, googl...@kwcpa.com pounded out on the keyboard: On Mar 31, 7:11 pm, Terry R. terry.f1...@nospamgmail.com wrote: The date and time was Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:03:07 PM, and on a whim, googl...@kwcpa.com pounded out on the keyboard: On Mar 31, 4:54 pm, Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: On Mar 30, 6:58 pm, Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: Ok - here's an example of the problem, based on a short message I composed in HTML. In HTML, there was a blank line before the line that starts Me. When I go into the sent folder and do a view - message source, the blank line is there (although the message has been converted totext). However, when I just look at either the received message (i sent it to myself, among others), or the copy in my sent folder, the blank line is MISSING. Pull a few blank lines in a row from a long message and it becomes very hard to read. OUTPUT OF VIEW - MESSAGE SOURCE From - Mon Mar 30 13:44:36 2009 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 0080 X-Mozilla- Keys: Message-ID: [omitted] Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:44:35 -0400 From: [omitted] User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv: 1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090303 SeaMonkey/1.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To:[omitted] Subject: This Week... Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks. I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday: Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away this week) If you're on the list above and aren't IN, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, we'll assume a quorum. /j WHAT I SEE IN MY SENT FOLDER OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks. I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday: Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away this week) If you're on the list above and aren't IN, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, we'll assume a quorum. /j Thanks for furnishing us an pseudo-working example. I do your test. It seems that only you have a problem ... My RESULT IS CORRECT: Have a look Subject: TEST CONVERSION Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=2 X-UIDL: (%l!!\pP!!i!!joZ! OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks. I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday: Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away this week) If you're on the list above and aren't IN, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, we'll assume a quorum. You gottext, not HTML /j You always speak about a conversion ...there is no conversion needed. In the case you furnishedThe inputtextin plaintext, so the mail is also plaintext. All is NORMAL. You said also the blank line is MISSING. ...i used your inputtextas test, and i did not have any blank line missing as you show us. So YOUR pc have a problem not mine. SM is WORKING PERFECTLY. If you want to sent a mail in HTML format, please furnish him an HTMLtext. AnyWay, you NEVER cannot force the recipient to read it in HTML format. I can't furnish in HTML, SM always converts it to plaintext. and I never said I wanted to force anyone to do anything (except for certain readers to read the whole thread and take a request seriously) 8-} Like I mentioned, if you insert a sig that has just one HTML element, say a specific color or something of that sort, then it would be sent in HTML. Or use the Insert HTML and insert a horizontal line at the top or bottom (i.e. hr ). That will force it to be sent in HTML. Terry R. -- Thanks Terry - I appreciate it, and I know many people (from postings elsewhere) use this workaround. I just thought that if there were so many people working around something, it might make sense to request a fix. best regards /j I can see how it is confusing, although I agree with the method. Most of us write a message and send it off. I compose in HTML and I have a serif font as my default. I have my settings set to send in HTML to specific people in my AB, and because my sig file is an HTML file, it's sent that way. But if I don't have any specific HTML elements and I am composing in HTML mode, TB is taking the privilege to send the message as it sees fit, since there aren't any HTML elements included. I would agree that if the user has the settings to compose in HTML, it should be sent in HTML, EVEN if there is only a font setting as the default. Terry R. How can i (as you said) compose in
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
On Mar 31, 4:54 pm, Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: On Mar 30, 6:58 pm, Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: Ok - here's an example of the problem, based on a short message I composed in HTML. In HTML, there was a blank line before the line that starts Me. When I go into the sent folder and do a view - message source, the blank line is there (although the message has been converted totext). However, when I just look at either the received message (i sent it to myself, among others), or the copy in my sent folder, the blank line is MISSING. Pull a few blank lines in a row from a long message and it becomes very hard to read. OUTPUT OF VIEW - MESSAGE SOURCE From - Mon Mar 30 13:44:36 2009 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 0080 X-Mozilla- Keys: Message-ID: [omitted] Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:44:35 -0400 From: [omitted] User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv: 1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090303 SeaMonkey/1.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To:[omitted] Subject: This Week... Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks. I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday: Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away this week) If you're on the list above and aren't IN, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, we'll assume a quorum. /j WHAT I SEE IN MY SENT FOLDER OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks. I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday: Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away this week) If you're on the list above and aren't IN, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, we'll assume a quorum. /j Thanks for furnishing us an pseudo-working example. I do your test. It seems that only you have a problem ... My RESULT IS CORRECT: Have a look Subject: TEST CONVERSION Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=2 X-UIDL: (%l!!\pP!!i!!joZ! OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks. I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday: Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away this week) If you're on the list above and aren't IN, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, we'll assume a quorum. You gottext, not HTML /j You always speak about a conversion ...there is no conversion needed. In the case you furnishedThe inputtextin plaintext, so the mail is also plaintext. All is NORMAL. You said also the blank line is MISSING. ...i used your inputtextas test, and i did not have any blank line missing as you show us. So YOUR pc have a problem not mine. SM is WORKING PERFECTLY. If you want to sent a mail in HTML format, please furnish him an HTMLtext. AnyWay, you NEVER cannot force the recipient to read it in HTML format. Yup - you must be right, I don't have a problem, I never had a problem. (or perhaps all my PCs, at home and work, uniquely have a problem). Terry is wrong. There are no intermittent problems. SM is perfect. You are also perfect. God bless you. Have a great Day! (sigh) /j ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
On Mar 31, 4:54 pm, Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: On Mar 30, 6:58 pm, Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: Ok - here's an example of the problem, based on a short message I composed in HTML. In HTML, there was a blank line before the line that starts Me. When I go into the sent folder and do a view - message source, the blank line is there (although the message has been converted totext). However, when I just look at either the received message (i sent it to myself, among others), or the copy in my sent folder, the blank line is MISSING. Pull a few blank lines in a row from a long message and it becomes very hard to read. OUTPUT OF VIEW - MESSAGE SOURCE From - Mon Mar 30 13:44:36 2009 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 0080 X-Mozilla- Keys: Message-ID: [omitted] Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:44:35 -0400 From: [omitted] User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv: 1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090303 SeaMonkey/1.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To:[omitted] Subject: This Week... Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks. I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday: Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away this week) If you're on the list above and aren't IN, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, we'll assume a quorum. /j WHAT I SEE IN MY SENT FOLDER OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks. I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday: Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away this week) If you're on the list above and aren't IN, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, we'll assume a quorum. /j Thanks for furnishing us an pseudo-working example. I do your test. It seems that only you have a problem ... My RESULT IS CORRECT: Have a look Subject: TEST CONVERSION Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=2 X-UIDL: (%l!!\pP!!i!!joZ! OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks. I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday: Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away this week) If you're on the list above and aren't IN, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, we'll assume a quorum. You gottext, not HTML /j You always speak about a conversion ...there is no conversion needed. In the case you furnishedThe inputtextin plaintext, so the mail is also plaintext. All is NORMAL. You said also the blank line is MISSING. ...i used your inputtextas test, and i did not have any blank line missing as you show us. So YOUR pc have a problem not mine. SM is WORKING PERFECTLY. If you want to sent a mail in HTML format, please furnish him an HTMLtext. AnyWay, you NEVER cannot force the recipient to read it in HTML format. I can't furnish in HTML, SM always converts it to plain text. and I never said I wanted to force anyone to do anything (except for certain readers to read the whole thread and take a request seriously) 8-} ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
On Mar 31, 7:11 pm, Terry R. terry.f1...@nospamgmail.com wrote: The date and time was Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:03:07 PM, and on a whim, googl...@kwcpa.com pounded out on the keyboard: On Mar 31, 4:54 pm, Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: On Mar 30, 6:58 pm, Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: Ok - here's an example of the problem, based on a short message I composed in HTML. In HTML, there was a blank line before the line that starts Me. When I go into the sent folder and do a view - message source, the blank line is there (although the message has been converted totext). However, when I just look at either the received message (i sent it to myself, among others), or the copy in my sent folder, the blank line is MISSING. Pull a few blank lines in a row from a long message and it becomes very hard to read. OUTPUT OF VIEW - MESSAGE SOURCE From - Mon Mar 30 13:44:36 2009 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 0080 X-Mozilla- Keys: Message-ID: [omitted] Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:44:35 -0400 From: [omitted] User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv: 1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090303 SeaMonkey/1.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To:[omitted] Subject: This Week... Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks. I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday: Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away this week) If you're on the list above and aren't IN, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, we'll assume a quorum. /j WHAT I SEE IN MY SENT FOLDER OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks. I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday: Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away this week) If you're on the list above and aren't IN, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, we'll assume a quorum. /j Thanks for furnishing us an pseudo-working example. I do your test. It seems that only you have a problem ... My RESULT IS CORRECT: Have a look Subject: TEST CONVERSION Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=2 X-UIDL: (%l!!\pP!!i!!joZ! OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks. I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday: Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away this week) If you're on the list above and aren't IN, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, we'll assume a quorum. You gottext, not HTML /j You always speak about a conversion ...there is no conversion needed. In the case you furnishedThe inputtextin plaintext, so the mail is also plaintext. All is NORMAL. You said also the blank line is MISSING. ...i used your inputtextas test, and i did not have any blank line missing as you show us. So YOUR pc have a problem not mine. SM is WORKING PERFECTLY. If you want to sent a mail in HTML format, please furnish him an HTMLtext. AnyWay, you NEVER cannot force the recipient to read it in HTML format. I can't furnish in HTML, SM always converts it to plaintext. and I never said I wanted to force anyone to do anything (except for certain readers to read the whole thread and take a request seriously) 8-} Like I mentioned, if you insert a sig that has just one HTML element, say a specific color or something of that sort, then it would be sent in HTML. Or use the Insert HTML and insert a horizontal line at the top or bottom (i.e. hr ). That will force it to be sent in HTML. Terry R. -- Thanks Terry - I appreciate it, and I know many people (from postings elsewhere) use this workaround. I just thought that if there were so many people working around something, it might make sense to request a fix. best regards /j ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
Yes - putting stuff in every message that forces the converter to say send in HTML is a common workaround that a lot of people do (see the original thread I referenced at the top of this one). Having a fancy HTML signature also works as a workaround. In fact, it looks like the workarounds are going to be the solution because no one wants to make things right. Has anyone looked through their own sent folder to see if all their converted multi-paragraph non-HTML messages converted properly? THAT's your test case. I have not been able to figure out why it does paragraph breaks correctly sometimes and not others, that doesn't meant there isn't a deterministic problem, I just can't identify it. However, that's not the point. The point is that I want my Email to be read in HTML when I send it in HTML. If I use a proportional font I want the reader to see a proportional font, etc. If you post and say Since -one- (only one) of the reasons you want to do this is to fix a bug you can reproduce, we're going to ignore all the other reasons then your religion is showing. Sad thing that 8-} /j ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
I wish Mozilla did allow me a choice. No matter how hard I try to have messages go, by default, in HTML. Mozilla looks at them and says yeah, plain text is good enough and converts them. that's the problem. All I'm suggesting is an OPTION to disable the auto-conversion. I can't believe how many people here don't think options are good. /j ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
Ok - here's an example of the problem, based on a short message I composed in HTML. In HTML, there was a blank line before the line that starts Me. When I go into the sent folder and do a view - message source, the blank line is there (although the message has been converted to text). However, when I just look at either the received message (i sent it to myself, among others), or the copy in my sent folder, the blank line is MISSING. Pull a few blank lines in a row from a long message and it becomes very hard to read. OUTPUT OF VIEW - MESSAGE SOURCE From - Mon Mar 30 13:44:36 2009 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 0080 X-Mozilla- Keys: Message-ID: [omitted] Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:44:35 -0400 From: [omitted] User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv: 1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090303 SeaMonkey/1.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To:[omitted] Subject: This Week... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks. I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday: Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away this week) If you're on the list above and aren't IN, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, we'll assume a quorum. /j WHAT I SEE IN MY SENT FOLDER OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks. I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday: Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away this week) If you're on the list above and aren't IN, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, we'll assume a quorum. /j ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
On Mar 30, 5:12 pm, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo peter.potamus.the.purple.hi...@gmail.com wrote: googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: Sorry - i'm viewing on the web where all prior messages show up, I was trying to be space efficient. not everyone is viewing this group on google groups. Some of us are using the mozilla newsgroup and others are using the mailing lists Yeah - I got that now If you choose to send in HTML then it wont be converted, it will be sent as html. This is a false statement. again, others have asked that you email them an html message and then we'll go from there, and so far you have failed to do that. I'm happy to send a message to anyone. just supply the email True statement: If you choose to send in HTML, and there is nothing in your message that warrants HTML, SM will convertto plaintextand send plaintext. maybe it is and maybe its not Actually, it is. There doesn't seem to be any dispute about this statement in this thread (until now). The debate is whether this is the single, correct behavior. This is a well-established fact. I am asking that the auto-conversion be optional, so that your original statement becomes the truth. we've heard you many times. Stop harping about it and file a bug:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/and request for such an item Did so long ago -- ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
On Mar 30, 5:41 pm, Leonidas Jones leonidasjo...@netscape.net wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: On Mar 30, 5:12 pm, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo again, others have asked that you email them an html message and then we'll go from there, and so far you have failed to do that. I'm happy to send a message to anyone. just supply the email I think you're using that as an excuse as some have told you to email them, as I did: news://news.mozilla.org:119/plodncayp5myflbunz2dnuvz_jila...@mozilla.org http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/browse_threa... My email is valid here. Lee sent to you too ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
On Mar 30, 6:58 pm, Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: Ok - here's an example of the problem, based on a short message I composed in HTML. In HTML, there was a blank line before the line that starts Me. When I go into the sent folder and do a view - message source, the blank line is there (although the message has been converted totext). However, when I just look at either the received message (i sent it to myself, among others), or the copy in my sent folder, the blank line is MISSING. Pull a few blank lines in a row from a long message and it becomes very hard to read. OUTPUT OF VIEW - MESSAGE SOURCE From - Mon Mar 30 13:44:36 2009 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 0080 X-Mozilla- Keys: Message-ID: [omitted] Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:44:35 -0400 From: [omitted] User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv: 1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090303 SeaMonkey/1.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To:[omitted] Subject: This Week... Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks. I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday: Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away this week) If you're on the list above and aren't IN, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, we'll assume a quorum. /j WHAT I SEE IN MY SENT FOLDER OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks. I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday: Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away this week) If you're on the list above and aren't IN, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, we'll assume a quorum. /j Thanks for furnishing us an pseudo-working example. I do your test. It seems that only you have a problem ... My RESULT IS CORRECT: Have a look Subject: TEST CONVERSION Content-Type:text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=2 X-UIDL: (%l!!\pP!!i!!joZ! OK - Wed is the first of 3 more prepaid weeks. I -believe- the following people are playing Wednesday: Me, Kathy, Art, Lisa, Jon, Peter, John, Beth, Kevin(Ed is away this week) If you're on the list above and aren't IN, please let me know ASAP. Otherwise, we'll assume a quorum. You got text, not HTML /j ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
On Mar 30, 6:44 pm, Terry R. terry.f1...@nospamgmail.com wrote: The date and time was Monday, March 30, 2009 2:25:55 PM, and on a whim, googl...@kwcpa.com pounded out on the keyboard: On Mar 30, 5:12 pm, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo peter.potamus.the.purple.hi...@gmail.com wrote: googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: Sorry - i'm viewing on the web where all prior messages show up, I was trying to be space efficient. not everyone is viewing this group on google groups. Some of us are using the mozilla newsgroup and others are using the mailing lists Yeah - I got that now If you choose to send in HTML then it wont be converted, it will be sent as html. This is a false statement. again, others have asked that you email them an html message and then we'll go from there, and so far you have failed to do that. I'm happy to send a message to anyone. just supply the email True statement: If you choose to send in HTML, and there is nothing in your message that warrants HTML, SM will convertto plaintextand send plaintext. maybe it is and maybe its not Actually, it is. There doesn't seem to be any dispute about this statement in this thread (until now). The debate is whether this is the single, correct behavior. This is a well-established fact. I am asking that the auto-conversion be optional, so that your original statement becomes the truth. we've heard you many times. Stop harping about it and file a bug:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/andrequest for such an item Did so long ago -- We did some testing on this some time back and found that Moz clients require at least one HTML element to send as HTML (10-07-08 in MTMM). It can be done by creating a Template to use for your email and then insert a simple HTML code in body using the HTML Editor (Insert, HTML for TB). Or configure your sig file as HTML. Terry R. -- Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. THANK YOU THANK YOU TERRY R. WOULD EVERYONE ELSE PLEASE READ HIS RESPONSE. Moz clients require at least one HTML element to send as HTML. My request is to have an option that changes the Options - Format default from Auto-Detect to HTML. So that it will require no HTML to send as HTML. I suppose that someone can say I disagree, I believe the default option should be Auto-Detect. and you have your opinion, and I have mine (athough if things were reversed, I would yield so that everyone can have things as they want). But please, can we stop the discussions that say SM doesn't convert HTML to plain text (see Terry R's response above, it does) You shouldn't want you HTML to go out as HTML unless it needs to be, and here are some examples where it doesn't matter (I do want it, and I have examples where it does matter). 1) I've established what Options - Format - Auto-detect does. 2) I've established that there is no way to change the behavior without workarounds of various painfulness (hand-select Options - Format - HTML every time, add a signature with sufficient HTML in it, etc). 3) I've politely requested a way to change the default from Auto- Detect to Rich (HTML) Text. No offense to all, and I understand that some may not agree that my request should be granted, but I think I've proved that it's a valid request. So if you want to continue discussion on how to implement, or (I suppose, sigh) whether to implement, that's great, but can I please stop proving that the issue exists? Thanks all! /j ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
On Mar 30, 9:28 pm, Leonidas Jones leonidasjo...@netscape.net wrote: googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: On Mar 30, 6:44 pm, Terry R.terry.f1...@nospamgmail.com wrote: The date and time was Monday, March 30, 2009 2:25:55 PM, and on a whim, googl...@kwcpa.com pounded out on the keyboard: On Mar 30, 5:12 pm, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo peter.potamus.the.purple.hi...@gmail.com wrote: googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: Sorry - i'm viewing on the web where all prior messages show up, I was trying to be space efficient. not everyone is viewing this group on google groups. Some of us are using the mozilla newsgroup and others are using the mailing lists Yeah - I got that now If you choose to send in HTML then it wont be converted, it will be sent as html. This is a false statement. again, others have asked that you email them an html message and then we'll go from there, and so far you have failed to do that. I'm happy to send a message to anyone. just supply the email True statement: If you choose to send in HTML, and there is nothing in your message that warrants HTML, SM will convertto plaintextand send plaintext. maybe it is and maybe its not Actually, it is. There doesn't seem to be any dispute about this statement in this thread (until now). The debate is whether this is the single, correct behavior. This is a well-established fact. I am asking that the auto-conversion be optional, so that your original statement becomes the truth. we've heard you many times. Stop harping about it and file a bug:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/andrequest for such an item Did so long ago -- We did some testing on this some time back and found that Moz clients require at least one HTML element to send as HTML (10-07-08 in MTMM). It can be done by creating a Template to use for your email and then insert a simple HTML code in body using the HTML Editor (Insert, HTML for TB). Or configure your sig file as HTML. Terry R. -- Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. THANK YOU THANK YOU TERRY R. WOULD EVERYONE ELSE PLEASE READ HIS RESPONSE. Moz clients require at least one HTML element to send as HTML. My request is to have an option that changes the Options - Format default from Auto-Detect to HTML. So that it will require no HTML to send as HTML. I suppose that someone can say I disagree, I believe the default option should be Auto-Detect. and you have your opinion, and I have mine (athough if things were reversed, I would yield so that everyone can have things as they want). But please, can we stop the discussions that say SM doesn'tconvertHTML to plaintext (see Terry R's response above, it does) You shouldn't want you HTML to go out as HTML unless it needs to be, and here are some examples where it doesn't matter (I do want it, and I have examples where it does matter). 1) I've established what Options - Format - Auto-detect does. 2) I've established that there is no way to change the behavior without workarounds of various painfulness (hand-select Options - Format - HTML every time, add a signature with sufficient HTML in it, etc). 3) I've politely requested a way to change the default from Auto- Detect to Rich (HTML)Text. No offense to all, and I understand that some may not agree that my request should be granted, but I think I've proved that it's a valid request. So if you want to continue discussion on how to implement, or (I suppose, sigh) whether to implement, that's great, but can I please stop proving that the issue exists? Thanks all! /j I wish I could just let this go, but I have to ask. If your supposed html emails have not actually contained any html elements, why have we been going around this? You might as well have been sending in plaintextright along. Lee No - HTML with nothing special is still HTML. It can look different to the recipient, also, the conversion to plain text isn't perfect. It's intermittent, but I've had it remove paragraph-breaks and vaery occasionally add line breaks randomly. I'm getting tired of using options-format-HTML every time i want to be sure a message arrives looking like i sent it. They get garbled only occasionally, but it's always the ones where I needed it to look right. /j ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
Yes, Thanks for the welcome, but I've been on since '96. Many people choose to view in the format that people send. No offense, because this isn't directed primarily at you, but I never thought I would stumble across a religious EMail must travel as plain text if at all possible war here. I just want SM to be as intuitive as can be /j On Mar 29, 12:44 pm, Benoit Renard myfirstnameh...@gawab.com wrote: googl...@kwcpa.com wrote: 2) We both agree that, for example, if I write a message in Comic Sans MS, and want my messages to go out IN THAT FONT (because that's the way I like people to see my messages) Welcome to the web. Here, /we/ decide how to view your e-mail messages. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
Hi Daniel - Thanks for dropping in. If you look back at the last 50
or so responses, about 1/2 are devoted to reasons why I have problems
sending in plain text. SM doesn't convert it properly all the time,
if I send in a proportional font, I want people to read it in a
proportional font, etc. I won't repeat what I've already written.
To be honest, if the people who do SM are starting to enforce their
religious preferences, it may be time to find a different mail client.
8-{
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Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
Hi Ray-net - actually a good Email, as you confirmed my issue - Thanks. However, your conclusions are incorrect... if you don't use any html gadget when composing your mail... the mail is sent in plain text. I absolutely agree - thanks! In this case, there is no need of a conversion, because there is nothing to convert. SM1.1.14 is working perfectly I absolutely disagree. This is not a true statement at all. To prove it, do a message in html (text only, like you did before), but make the sentences long, and put in several paragraph breaks, and maybe a couple of numbered lists. Use CR only to end a paragraph (2 of them), and to end a list item. Then send it and see what it looks like after SM does it's conversion. Many of the CRCR will be converted to CR, removing the blank line between paragraphs. And sometimes a line will get a CR inserted randomly. You CANNOT see this with a short message, but boy does SM mess up the long ones. thanks for your interest. /j ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
Hi 1) I obviously cannot send you a sample.txt file for an INTERMITTENT issue. 2) We both agree that, for example, if I write a message in Comic Sans MS, and want my messages to go out IN THAT FONT (because that's the way I like people to see my messages), there's no way to do that without a) making sure there's some bold, or something that convinces SM that HTML is required b) having to do Options-Format-Rich HTML Only, for EVERY MESSAGE I would argue that reason #2 is enough to provide an option to disable auto-conversion. Suppose I just want every message to go in HTML because I want people to see the message on the other end just the way I wrote it? Not converted to boring, monospaced text. Further, I would suggest that if you write a lot of multi-paragraph Email with no special formatting, that if you look through your sent folder, you will find at least a few emails with paragraph-breaks missing. I did this exercise this morning and found 8 out of about 40 in the last week. I could send you one, but a) you're not getting the source message, so you don't have a test case b) Because the problem is intermittent, it may not fail for you. Still, I think the bad conversion is a secondar issue. Consider this: If Seamonkey provides a per-message option Options-Format-Rich HTML, why is it so wrong for me to ask for an option that makes this the -default- selection? Motives are secondary. Please don't close this issue, please treat it. Thanks! /j Sorry i did not have any problem - all is perfect If you cannot sent me a sample.txt file for testing, i will close this issue. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
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Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
Thanks Peter - that's indeed an option, for, as posted when sending formatted messages and one or more recipients are not listed as being able to receive HTML. However, if you don't fill in any HTML or PlainText Domains, then, regardless of which of the 4 settings you choose from that menu, Seamonkey will STILL convert messages composed in HTML to plain text if it doesn't see any reason to leave them in HTML. Try it yourself. I'm sorry to be getting testy, but this thread started with an affirmation of the problems, and an agreement from developers that it existed. It continues with, no offense, over a dozen armchair, foundationless oh, I don't think that's really a problem postings, that I then have to respond to so that the developers are assured there is an issue here, which there surely is. Guys, really, my apologies for pushing back, but regardless of what settings you pick, on any menu, SM will convert Email composed in HTML to plain text if there is nothing in the message that makes it think it has to use HTML, unless, on a per message basis, you select options- format- rich text. All I'm asking is for an option (even just an about: setting) that disables the conversion,and sends HTML messages in HTML all the time. Thanks for listening, and sorry to be grouchy /j ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
Dear Mr. Potamus. You should really View Message Source and you will see what i mean. I just sent myself an Email composed in HTML, and having that setting you refer to set to HTML only. Here's what I received... - Subject: test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a test message --- as you can see, it was converted to plain text. The developers have confirmed there is an issue. Please don't dispute, What have I ever done to you? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
Dear Mr. Potamus... ME I have it set to send ONLY HTML, and I get back plain text YOU: if you have the setting to HTML and Plain text, scroll down to see the HTML: ME: I have it set to send ONLY HTML, and I get back ONLY plain text, nothing to scroll down to YOU: To view, its: View, Message Body As, and Original HTML. ME: ??? I use View - Message Source (Perhaps you're converting -your- view -TO- HTML) ME: I am composing in HTML (and earlier, I have the box checked in Mail Newsgroup Settings- Composition Addressing - Compose in HTML Format) YOU: Also, you need: Edit, Mail Newsgroups Accoung Settings, select the account, and under Composition and Addressing, at the top right you need to select Compose messages in html format. ME: I am composing in HTML (and earlier, I have the box checked in Mail Newsgroup Settings- Composition Addressing - Compose in HTML Format) YOU: what developers? No developers have been here to say anything about this. ME: Developer input from earlier in this thread... == The forum thread points to bug 157346 which has been resolved as a duplicate of bug 136502. Comment 8 there states that you can achieve what you want on a per-domain basis so there's a partial workaround. The real fix needs someone to step up and write a patch for that bug, though. I think the best way to do it would be to just introduce a pref and handle any UI changes in follow-up bugs. HTH Jens === No offense Mr. Potamus, but I have been a Netscape/Mozilla/Seamonkey user for 24 years, and have been pursuing this issue for about the last 5 of them. There is no easy fix to it. I understand that you want to appear to provide an answer, but I assure you it is a bug. This post was directed to the developers and although I appreciate your intent to help me find a workaround, I really want them to fix it properly. I'm ok if you want to stop posting to this thread. Thanks very much everyone. Again to the developers, a flag to shut off auto-conversion to plain text would be very much appreciated. 8-} Have a great day! /j ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
Yes Ray - that option is there - Feel free to set it. I have mine set. Doesn't make any difference. Seamonkey will STILL convert your messages to plain text when it thinks it's appropriate. So if you want to be sure that you send in HTML, you MUST do something for EACH Email. This is well documented in the thread I refer to at the top of this discussion. Not sure why so many people want to insist, without checking, that there isn't a problem. strange... 8-} On Mar 25, 6:47 pm, Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: I work with SM 1.1.14. On my mail account - View Settings for this account - Composition Adressing - I have the option Compose messages in HTML format SET. So there is no need to do something for each mail sent. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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I agree with Mr. Barclay, but there is much to do and only so much free labor. So I limit my request to simply providing an option to turn off the I think you should send plain text, so I will convert it for you feature. /j Perhaps there's some lynx or links2 code that could be used in SeaMonkey to create thetextrendition of HTML messages. Daniel -- (Plaintextsometimes corrupted to HTML courtesy of Microsoft Exchange.) [F] ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
Yes Lee, I can. But I'm a bit tired of having to do Options - Format - Send for -every- single email that I send. That's why I'm politely requesting the option disable auto- conversion to plain text. Thanks! 8-} /j Look in Send Format. You can make your preferred selection there. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
For 2.0: F7 For SpellCheck
Add F7 as a keyboard shortcut equivalent to clicking on the SPELL Icon? (F7 is the shortcut for Spellcheck in Microsoft Word) just an idea... I'm so used to using that shortcut... /j ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
On Mar 16, 4:02 pm, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: See the original threads I quoted. What I am asking for, which is Disable automatic conversion to plantext. So the message will be readable by all the mail agents which handle HTML but not plaintext? Why do you care? I assume there is some benefit I'm missing... Hi Mr. Davidsen - I care because when SM converts to plain text - it corrupts the message. Paragraph breaks are removed and text is wrapped oddly. HTH 8-} Thanks guys! /j ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
Mr. Hansen - I don't think you're following. In order to don't do that, I have to go Options-Format-Rich (HTML) Text, for -every- message. I believe that SM starts with each message set to HTML, but after I click Send, I believe SM reviews the message and decides whether to convert to Plain Text. All I want SM's busy crew to do is give me an option to disable that automatic conversion. Peter P - I agree, all I want to do is compose and send in HTML -by default-. Thanks very much /j Patient: Doctor, It hurts when I do this. (Raises arm.) Groucho (wearing white coat and stethoscope): Don't do that. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for Seamonkey 2.0
Mr Gehr - that option is there, and does the opposite of what I want it to do. Not choosing that option does not keep SM from converting my message. See the original threads I quoted. What I am asking for, which is Disable automatic conversion to plan text. Is NOT a current option anywhere in SM. Thanks very much /j Has 2.0 removed: Edit-Preferences-E-Mail_and_NewsGroups-Send_Format-... and then pick the radial [second option from the top]: Convertthe message to plaintext(some formatting may be lost) I've always used this an never had a problem. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
