Re: Archiving Mail
Gerry Hickman wrote: Hi Daniel, I set the profile after a new SeaMonkey install. What I mean is that I only do this once when building a new blank computer. Once it's set, I don't touch it... Sounds good to me! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:21.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/21.0 SeaMonkey/2.18 Build identifier: 20130403022820 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17 Build identifier: 20130320191715 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Hi Daniel, I set the profile after a new SeaMonkey install. What I mean is that I only do this once when building a new blank computer. Once it's set, I don't touch it... Daniel wrote: Gerry Hickman wrote: Hi, I'd say there should be three file areas 1. Program files (program binaries.exe go here) 2. User Settings (local or roaming user profile) 3. Data (docs, email, pics, music) - (AKA homeDirectory) On my own systems the program files and user profiles are on the C drive, data is on a separate D drive or network drive. I then just back up the D drive. A well designed application will detect the file locations above, and automatically place files in the correct locations, but I seem to remember SeaMonkey (by default) will bury the user data inside the user profile! This might explain why a default backup of the user's homeDirectory would not contain their email. On my own systems, the first thing I do after a new SM install is to move the Mozilla profile to my D drive - so it's backed up with everything else. There's an article about moving SM profiles here http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_your_profile_folder Hey, Gerry, why do you have to move your profile to your D:\ after each install?? Why not just get rid of any bits of your profile on your C:\ drive, and when you install a new SM, just let it find the D:\ profile!! I have SM on both my Win7 and Linux installations and both of them have no problems in finding my single profile. But I would agree with you on there being three file areas! On my Win7, I have:- C:\System Files D:\Program Files E:\Games, Music, etc. and Data So I only need to back-up my E:\ (Hmm, back-up . must do that . one day!!). -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archiving Mail
Hi, I'd say there should be three file areas 1. Program files (program binaries.exe go here) 2. User Settings (local or roaming user profile) 3. Data (docs, email, pics, music) - (AKA homeDirectory) On my own systems the program files and user profiles are on the C drive, data is on a separate D drive or network drive. I then just back up the D drive. A well designed application will detect the file locations above, and automatically place files in the correct locations, but I seem to remember SeaMonkey (by default) will bury the user data inside the user profile! This might explain why a default backup of the user's homeDirectory would not contain their email. On my own systems, the first thing I do after a new SM install is to move the Mozilla profile to my D drive - so it's backed up with everything else. There's an article about moving SM profiles here http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_your_profile_folder Lori wrote: Archiving Mail. I do backup to an external hard disc, but never thought of looking there, because it wasn't set up to back up my C:\ drive; only docs, pics, etc. In future, I will be making a manual copy of the archives in the C:\ drive. Today's Topics: 4/12/13 7. Archiving Mail (Lori) 8. Re: Archiving Mail (G. Ross) -- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 06:41:55 -0400 From: Lori na...@verizon.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Archiving Mail Message-ID: 000601ce376a$5a5e3eb0$0f1abc10$@Verizon.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Through the Forum, I learned how to archive Sea Monkey and where, and I was grateful. I've been on computers for years, but not too techie, due to production push. When my laptop turned blue (constant blue screens), I sent it back to HP for repair, specifically asked them to save all my files. When it came back, all the mail files on the C:\ drive were gone, together with all my added software programs. I was able to reinstall all the extra programs, but all the mail was lost. So, isn't that a call for copying those C:\ files somewhere off the computer for safekeeping - disc, external drive? -- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 06:53:48 -0400 From: G. Ross g...@comsouth.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Archiving Mail Message-ID: 3eodnbl5vtyqevrmnz2dnuvz_gidn...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Do you not backup your hard drive? Get a portable hard drive that plugs into the USB port and a good backup program. Do a backup regularly, and next time you can just restore the new drive to the point of your last backup. I worked in a hospital once that had also never heard of a backup. The hard drive crashed on one of the office computers. They sent the drive to have the data retrieved but somehow the thing was thrown away. Years of data lost forever. -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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MCBastos wrote: There's not much point in backing up the ENTIRETY of drive C: with standard backup software. That would include all of Windows itself, and the installed programs -- which are hard to restore without having Windows running in the first place. Although the Windows 7 built-in backup tool apparently does so. If you really want to backup all of that, you are better off with a disk imaging software rather than a backup software -- that will copy even non-file structures such as the boot records. My backup program lets you create a bootable CD-ROM to recover either files from backups or an entire drive image. I've the C: drive fail and it was a breeze restoring to a new one. That's why you want to backup the entire C: drive. In fact, all the backup programs I've used over the years allowed that. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ The Space Shuttle ends where the subway begins. There's a tear on the face of the moon. - Gordon Lightfoot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Gerry Hickman wrote: Hi, I'd say there should be three file areas 1. Program files (program binaries.exe go here) 2. User Settings (local or roaming user profile) 3. Data (docs, email, pics, music) - (AKA homeDirectory) On my own systems the program files and user profiles are on the C drive, data is on a separate D drive or network drive. I then just back up the D drive. A well designed application will detect the file locations above, and automatically place files in the correct locations, but I seem to remember SeaMonkey (by default) will bury the user data inside the user profile! This might explain why a default backup of the user's homeDirectory would not contain their email. On my own systems, the first thing I do after a new SM install is to move the Mozilla profile to my D drive - so it's backed up with everything else. There's an article about moving SM profiles here http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_your_profile_folder Hey, Gerry, why do you have to move your profile to your D:\ after each install?? Why not just get rid of any bits of your profile on your C:\ drive, and when you install a new SM, just let it find the D:\ profile!! I have SM on both my Win7 and Linux installations and both of them have no problems in finding my single profile. But I would agree with you on there being three file areas! On my Win7, I have:- C:\ System Files D:\ Program Files E:\ Games, Music, etc. and Data So I only need to back-up my E:\ (Hmm, back-up . must do that . one day!!). -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.17 Build identifier: 20130320191715 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17 Build identifier: 20130320191715 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Archiving Mail
Through the Forum, I learned how to archive Sea Monkey and where, and I was grateful. I've been on computers for years, but not too techie, due to production push. When my laptop turned blue (constant blue screens), I sent it back to HP for repair, specifically asked them to save all my files. When it came back, all the mail files on the C:\ drive were gone, together with all my added software programs. I was able to reinstall all the extra programs, but all the mail was lost. So, isn't that a call for copying those C:\ files somewhere off the computer for safekeeping - disc, external drive? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Lori wrote: Through the Forum, I learned how to archive Sea Monkey and where, and I was grateful. I've been on computers for years, but not too techie, due to production push. When my laptop turned blue (constant blue screens), I sent it back to HP for repair, specifically asked them to save all my files. When it came back, all the mail files on the C:\ drive were gone, together with all my added software programs. I was able to reinstall all the extra programs, but all the mail was lost. So, isn't that a call for copying those C:\ files somewhere off the computer for safekeeping - disc, external drive? Do you not backup your hard drive? Get a portable hard drive that plugs into the USB port and a good backup program. Do a backup regularly, and next time you can just restore the new drive to the point of your last backup. I worked in a hospital once that had also never heard of a backup. The hard drive crashed on one of the office computers. They sent the drive to have the data retrieved but somehow the thing was thrown away. Years of data lost forever. -- GW Ross Don't worry about the future, sooner or later it's the past. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archiving Mail
Lori wrote: Through the Forum, I learned how to archive Sea Monkey and where, and I was grateful. I've been on computers for years, but not too techie, due to production push. When my laptop turned blue (constant blue screens), I sent it back to HP for repair, specifically asked them to save all my files. When it came back, all the mail files on the C:\ drive were gone, together with all my added software programs. I was able to reinstall all the extra programs, but all the mail was lost. So, isn't that a call for copying those C:\ files somewhere off the computer for safekeeping - disc, external drive? Yep. If you love me, back me up. Here are a few basics to look for in a good backup system: 1) Saves your data separate from the system you're backing up. If a disaster will take out both the computer and the backup, you haven't gained anything by using it. 2) Automated, scheduled, regular. If you have to consciously choose to back up, you'll forget or make excuses and it won't happen. That's when disaster will strike and you'll be SOL. 3) Fast and easy, both to back up and to restore. Your backup system should take no more than a few hours to save or restore the entire contents of your HDD. (Incremental backups or specific file restores should take only a few minutes, of course.) A major expense of disaster recovery is reconstituting all your installed programs, customizations, etc., so you don't want to save just a few key data files. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Archiving Mail
Archiving Mail. I do backup to an external hard disc, but never thought of looking there, because it wasn't set up to back up my C:\ drive; only docs, pics, etc. In future, I will be making a manual copy of the archives in the C:\ drive. Today's Topics: 4/12/13 7. Archiving Mail (Lori) 8. Re: Archiving Mail (G. Ross) -- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 06:41:55 -0400 From: Lori na...@verizon.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Archiving Mail Message-ID: 000601ce376a$5a5e3eb0$0f1abc10$@Verizon.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Through the Forum, I learned how to archive Sea Monkey and where, and I was grateful. I've been on computers for years, but not too techie, due to production push. When my laptop turned blue (constant blue screens), I sent it back to HP for repair, specifically asked them to save all my files. When it came back, all the mail files on the C:\ drive were gone, together with all my added software programs. I was able to reinstall all the extra programs, but all the mail was lost. So, isn't that a call for copying those C:\ files somewhere off the computer for safekeeping - disc, external drive? -- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 06:53:48 -0400 From: G. Ross g...@comsouth.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Archiving Mail Message-ID: 3eodnbl5vtyqevrmnz2dnuvz_gidn...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Do you not backup your hard drive? Get a portable hard drive that plugs into the USB port and a good backup program. Do a backup regularly, and next time you can just restore the new drive to the point of your last backup. I worked in a hospital once that had also never heard of a backup. The hard drive crashed on one of the office computers. They sent the drive to have the data retrieved but somehow the thing was thrown away. Years of data lost forever. -- GW Ross Don't worry about the future, sooner or later it's the past. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archiving Mail
On 2013-04-12 12:16 (GMT-0400) Lori composed: Archiving Mail. I do backup to an external hard disc, but never thought of looking there, because it wasn't set up to back up my C:\ drive; only docs, pics, etc. In future, I will be making a manual copy of the archives in the C:\ drive. Your docs, pics, etc. aren't on C:? If not, why is your SeaMonkey profile not in the same vicinity? The default Windows location of profile data for SeaMonkey (and most other user data) is ludicrous. User data shouldn't be lost in a deep nest amongst system data, program data and programs. You can put your SeaMonkey profile data wherever you please. You should put it wherever is most convenient for you to access, backup and restore. Once you decide on a location, copy or move it from the current location there, then find SeaMonkey's profile.ini file, and edit it to match your profile to its new location. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Felix Miata wrote: Your docs, pics, etc. aren't on C:? If not, why is your SeaMonkey profile not in the same vicinity? The default Windows location of profile data for SeaMonkey (and most other user data) is ludicrous. User data shouldn't be lost in a deep nest amongst system data, program data and programs. You can put your SeaMonkey profile data wherever you please. You should put it wherever is most convenient for you to access, backup and restore. Once you decide on a location, copy or move it from the current location there, then find SeaMonkey's profile.ini file, and edit it to match your profile to its new location. I agree that the default location for most user data is crazy, which is why all of my systems have at least two discs each with multiple partitions, but I also think that your first question may be based on a faulty premise : some backup agents will backup documents, pictures, etc., from their Windows default location on the C: drive yet flatly refuse to allow the whole of C: to be backed up; I have, in these circumstances, actually had to create a junction point on another drive in order to overcome this, something that relatively few users would know how to do. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Interviewed by CNN on 12/04/2013 19:56, Philip TAYLOR told the world: Felix Miata wrote: Your docs, pics, etc. aren't on C:? If not, why is your SeaMonkey profile not in the same vicinity? The default Windows location of profile data for SeaMonkey (and most other user data) is ludicrous. User data shouldn't be lost in a deep nest amongst system data, program data and programs. You can put your SeaMonkey profile data wherever you please. You should put it wherever is most convenient for you to access, backup and restore. Once you decide on a location, copy or move it from the current location there, then find SeaMonkey's profile.ini file, and edit it to match your profile to its new location. I agree that the default location for most user data is crazy, which is why all of my systems have at least two discs each with multiple partitions, but I also think that your first question may be based on a faulty premise : some backup agents will backup documents, pictures, etc., from their Windows default location on the C: drive yet flatly refuse to allow the whole of C: to be backed up; I have, in these circumstances, actually had to create a junction point on another drive in order to overcome this, something that relatively few users would know how to do. There's not much point in backing up the ENTIRETY of drive C: with standard backup software. That would include all of Windows itself, and the installed programs -- which are hard to restore without having Windows running in the first place. Although the Windows 7 built-in backup tool apparently does so. If you really want to backup all of that, you are better off with a disk imaging software rather than a backup software -- that will copy even non-file structures such as the boot records. Backing up the C:\Users folder (or C:\Documents and Settings for XP), however, is a different matter. Most software (including Seamonkey) will by default store data somewhere in that folder tree. If you have that tree and any other folders that you or some software you uses created in C:\, you should have all or nearly all your data. If you have an intact profile folder (the ones inside C:\Users), there are tools to reactivate the profile in a reformatted computer, or even in a different computer -- as long as you don't change Windows major versions, that is. You can move profiles from Vista to Windows 7 with no significant problems, and you could do the same from 2000 to XP, if you had a machine running Windows 2000, that is. But it does not work that way for moving from XP to 7, nor from 7 to 8. Two such tools: 1. ForensIT User Profile Wizard: http://www.forensit.com/downloads.html 2. ReProfiler: http://iwr.cc/reprofiler -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Odyssey2. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.17 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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MCBastos wrote: There's not much point in backing up the ENTIRETY of drive C: with standard backup software. That would include all of Windows itself, and the installed programs -- which are hard to restore without having Windows running in the first place. Although the Windows 7 built-in backup tool apparently does so. If you really want to backup all of that, you are better off with a disk imaging software rather than a backup software -- that will copy even non-file structures such as the boot records. ... Modern backup software (and I prefer not to promote any one of several viable options) is quite capable of doing either or both of the tasks of backing up by file or backing up a disk image including the registry. My point in my earlier post was that on those rare occasions where I had a disk or computer crash and had to start over, it took anywhere from several days to over a week to locate all the install disks for all my programs, reinstall them all, update and customize them all, and get to the point where I could actually run the new or repaired computer. I don't know what your labor costs, but for me it was a major expense and inconvenience, and I was ecstatic that I could skip it the last time thanks to a good backup program. In that recent case, I was up and running normally within hours, and most of my customers never knew anything had happened until I told them. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Bob Minchin wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Bob Minchin: I've been becoming a little concerned about the number of mails in my inbox - thousands going back to 2007. I have moved older ones into a sub folder and thought that I would make a copy of this file as an archive and burn it to a cd But I can't find with folder where sub folder lives? In the context menu of the subfolder choose properties. 'Location' shows the path to that folder. You can mark the path and copy it. Hartmut Thanks Hartmut mi tambien -- ~gertjan There is an old custom among my people. When a woman saves a man's life, he is grateful. -- Nona, the Kanuto witch woman, A Private Little War, stardate 4211.8. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Archiving mail
I've been becoming a little concerned about the number of mails in my inbox - thousands going back to 2007. I have moved older ones into a sub folder and thought that I would make a copy of this file as an archive and burn it to a cd But I can't find with folder where sub folder lives? I've tried a WinXP search for the folder name but no joy. Where does SM keep it's mail and how should I best archive it. Apologies if this is a dumb question. Bob ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Bob Minchin: I've been becoming a little concerned about the number of mails in my inbox - thousands going back to 2007. I have moved older ones into a sub folder and thought that I would make a copy of this file as an archive and burn it to a cd But I can't find with folder where sub folder lives? In the context menu of the subfolder choose properties. 'Location' shows the path to that folder. You can mark the path and copy it. Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Hartmut Figge wrote: Bob Minchin: I've been becoming a little concerned about the number of mails in my inbox - thousands going back to 2007. I have moved older ones into a sub folder and thought that I would make a copy of this file as an archive and burn it to a cd But I can't find with folder where sub folder lives? In the context menu of the subfolder choose properties. 'Location' shows the path to that folder. You can mark the path and copy it. Hartmut Thanks Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
