Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Bill Davidsen schrieb: Boring! Installed and works. No excitement. Hah! Now I guess we just need to find you a release that provides more excitement... ;-) Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 9/30/2010 6:34 AM Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen schrieb: Boring! Installed and works. No excitement. Hah! Now I guess we just need to find you a release that provides more excitement... ;-) Robert Kaiser Be daring - use 2.0.9pre :-) -- Ed http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1zhwu/ Powered by SeaMonkey: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ There are only two great currents in the history of mankind: the baseness which makes conservatives and the envy which makes revolutionaries. ~Edmond de Goncourt and Jules de Goncourt ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
W3BNR wrote: On 9/30/2010 6:34 AM Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen schrieb: Boring! Installed and works. No excitement. Hah! Now I guess we just need to find you a release that provides more excitement... ;-) Robert Kaiser Be daring - use 2.0.9pre :-) Be more daring and use 2.1b1. WLS ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
W3BNR wrote: On 9/30/2010 10:37 AM WLS wrote: W3BNR wrote: On 9/30/2010 6:34 AM Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen schrieb: Boring! Installed and works. No excitement. Hah! Now I guess we just need to find you a release that provides more excitement... ;-) Robert Kaiser Be daring - use 2.0.9pre :-) Be more daring and use 2.1b1. WLS I am running it on a different computer. But not really putting it through its paces. Using 2.0.9pre on this one (main system). I have SM2.1b1, TB3.3a1pre Shredder (love that name), and FF4b6 on this PC, with different profiles for SM and FF. Now if I could only figure out to get the plugins I have already installed for SM 2.0.8 and FF 3.6.10 to work with the new versions I'd put them through their paces. I did it once before, but don't remember how. WLS ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
WLS wrote: W3BNR wrote: On 9/30/2010 10:37 AM WLS wrote: W3BNR wrote: On 9/30/2010 6:34 AM Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen schrieb: Boring! Installed and works. No excitement. Hah! Now I guess we just need to find you a release that provides more excitement... ;-) Robert Kaiser Be daring - use 2.0.9pre :-) Be more daring and use 2.1b1. WLS I am running it on a different computer. But not really putting it through its paces. Using 2.0.9pre on this one (main system). I have SM2.1b1, TB3.3a1pre Shredder (love that name), and FF4b6 on this PC, with different profiles for SM and FF. Now if I could only figure out to get the plugins I have already installed for SM 2.0.8 and FF 3.6.10 to work with the new versions I'd put them through their paces. I did it once before, but don't remember how. You need to download the .xpi file, unzip it, edit the install.rdf file to up the maximum version level for the app (SM or FF), then re-zip the .xpi file and install it. It may work or not. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Stable relationships are for horses. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Ed Mullen wrote: WLS wrote: W3BNR wrote: On 9/30/2010 10:37 AM WLS wrote: W3BNR wrote: On 9/30/2010 6:34 AM Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen schrieb: Boring! Installed and works. No excitement. Hah! Now I guess we just need to find you a release that provides more excitement... ;-) Robert Kaiser Be daring - use 2.0.9pre :-) Be more daring and use 2.1b1. WLS I am running it on a different computer. But not really putting it through its paces. Using 2.0.9pre on this one (main system). I have SM2.1b1, TB3.3a1pre Shredder (love that name), and FF4b6 on this PC, with different profiles for SM and FF. Now if I could only figure out to get the plugins I have already installed for SM 2.0.8 and FF 3.6.10 to work with the new versions I'd put them through their paces. I did it once before, but don't remember how. You need to download the .xpi file, unzip it, edit the install.rdf file to up the maximum version level for the app (SM or FF), then re-zip the .xpi file and install it. It may work or not. Did I say extensions? I'm sorry I meant plug-ins, like Java, Flash, etc WLS ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
WLS wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: WLS wrote: W3BNR wrote: On 9/30/2010 10:37 AM WLS wrote: W3BNR wrote: On 9/30/2010 6:34 AM Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen schrieb: Boring! Installed and works. No excitement. Hah! Now I guess we just need to find you a release that provides more excitement... ;-) Robert Kaiser Be daring - use 2.0.9pre :-) Be more daring and use 2.1b1. WLS I am running it on a different computer. But not really putting it through its paces. Using 2.0.9pre on this one (main system). I have SM2.1b1, TB3.3a1pre Shredder (love that name), and FF4b6 on this PC, with different profiles for SM and FF. Now if I could only figure out to get the plugins I have already installed for SM 2.0.8 and FF 3.6.10 to work with the new versions I'd put them through their paces. I did it once before, but don't remember how. You need to download the .xpi file, unzip it, edit the install.rdf file to up the maximum version level for the app (SM or FF), then re-zip the .xpi file and install it. It may work or not. Did I say extensions? I'm sorry I meant plug-ins, like Java, Flash, etc Ooops! I read plugins but my brain thought extensions. Not sure where Linux stores plugins but in Windows I believe by default they're stored in the program installation folder in a sub-folder called plugins. Some are installed in other locations but SM scans for them automatically. To find them in your older installations set the preference plugin.expose_full_path to true then do Help - About Plugins in SM. In FF enter about:plugins in the location bar and hit Enter. Once you locate them you can copy them to the new installations. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ What's so great about sliced bread? Isn't the bread slicer really more impressive? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Ed Mullen wrote: WLS wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: WLS wrote: W3BNR wrote: On 9/30/2010 10:37 AM WLS wrote: W3BNR wrote: On 9/30/2010 6:34 AM Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen schrieb: Boring! Installed and works. No excitement. Hah! Now I guess we just need to find you a release that provides more excitement... ;-) Robert Kaiser Be daring - use 2.0.9pre :-) Be more daring and use 2.1b1. WLS I am running it on a different computer. But not really putting it through its paces. Using 2.0.9pre on this one (main system). I have SM2.1b1, TB3.3a1pre Shredder (love that name), and FF4b6 on this PC, with different profiles for SM and FF. Now if I could only figure out to get the plugins I have already installed for SM 2.0.8 and FF 3.6.10 to work with the new versions I'd put them through their paces. I did it once before, but don't remember how. You need to download the .xpi file, unzip it, edit the install.rdf file to up the maximum version level for the app (SM or FF), then re-zip the .xpi file and install it. It may work or not. Did I say extensions? I'm sorry I meant plug-ins, like Java, Flash, etc Ooops! I read plugins but my brain thought extensions. Not sure where Linux stores plugins but in Windows I believe by default they're stored in the program installation folder in a sub-folder called plugins. Some are installed in other locations but SM scans for them automatically. To find them in your older installations set the preference plugin.expose_full_path to true then do Help - About Plugins in SM. In FF enter about:plugins in the location bar and hit Enter. Once you locate them you can copy them to the new installations. I've located them but I think I'm screwed because of the new plugin container feature, and may have to download and install each one for each browser. First I'm going to try using my FF 3.6.10 profile for FF 4 and see what happens, after I back it up of course. WLS ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Robert Kaiser wrote: The Mozilla community discovered a crash some of our users have been seeing at startup after updates to our previous releases. To fix that issue, SeaMonkey 2.0.8 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. Boring! Installed and works. No excitement. Didn't see the problem so can't say if you fixed it, but looks good to me. Linux Fedora 13. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
[OT - PJ's Website Tutorial] Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 09/23/2010 09:49 AM, Jay Garcia wrote: ... What Phillip needs is a template-structured boiler-plate application such as I pointed out in my reply of a few mins ago. What Phillip needs is a new thread as he, and his responders, have totally borked this thread from it's original SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available. You folks ought to at least have the courtesy to tag your subthreads so that others do not have to wade through seemingly endless off-topic advise to PJ. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [OT - PJ's Website Tutorial] Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
NoOp wrote: On 09/23/2010 09:49 AM, Jay Garcia wrote: ... What Phillip needs is a template-structured boiler-plate application such as I pointed out in my reply of a few mins ago. What Phillip needs is a new thread as he, and his responders, have totally borked this thread from it's original SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available. You folks ought to at least have the courtesy to tag your subthreads so that others do not have to wade through seemingly endless off-topic advise to PJ. Where have you been, was redirected to general and no new comments for several days now on either group. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Ed Mullen wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Terry R. wrote: On 9/23/2010 9:14 AM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Geez. Do you feel good about yourself now BS Nasty? As long as Phillip spreads FUD, yes I do. The comment was regarding him being able to have a web site online. At least he put forth an effort and created something for his family, regardless of what he used to do it. That's more than millions of other people have done. The site he was discussing was not his regularly posted 'family' site, but was for some sort of association - with members' data at risk to public exposure. Would you think it is a good idea to let him go on and expose their information to the public, when that was not what was requested of him? Again, the comment was regarding being able to have a web site online, which is for his family's purposes. You're twisting the two together. Now go and blast every site designer that used FP to code sites instead, FrontPage? Doesn't matter what the tool is, if the site is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. You blasted him for using Dreamweaver. That's the point. Thousands use FP and produce crappy websites. Phillip used what tool he could not knowing how to code by hand. and leave Phillip be. What are your thoughts on allowing him to spread false information? Wow, that's the first time that's happened in these groups... Terry R. Originally created crappy pages because I had to learn on my own without help what so ever, I was given originally DreamWeaver and told your web master of this website. Then when I made my own pages I tried to do the right thing originally with XHTML. Well times change and I updated my own site using HTML 4.0.1 Strict. But people made fun because I use Tables for photos. Still use some on two pages. But at least there are no error. Now this other Association asked me the possibility of creating a site for them. As They liked what I had done with the original Association site I had worked on. I just need the one section Members only to be private. The other would be public information. I frequent sites that use captcha before I can do anything (mostly to prove a person is doing something) I thought that might do. But due to everyone ragging me found out that's not secure enough. So I will look into username/password. If you want to see how bad there current site is Look at http://www.sesda.org That's it. they want just more than basically Convention Page. They use aspx pages in the original site. Phillip, if you have a thick enough skin take this discussion to one of these groups: alt.html comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets comp.inforsystems.www.authoring.html alt.www.webmaster Look, what you're trying to do is very simple assuming your hosting service provides the right tools. If you don't already have a provider, research it. You referenced Go Daddy. Not a good reputation from what I've found. We all have biases but, honestly, I've had great service from 1 and 1 dot com. It's a super value. But I wouldn't touch Go Daddy with a four foot Italian. And, if I can help in a way that isn't appropriate for these groups, email me. Already signed up to them already. remember the last time about my personal site I was on the Stylesheet group -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Ed Mullen wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: [let's do some snipping here...] using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. Thanks for proving you don't know what a CAPTCHA is - or how to design a secure web site. In captcha you are required Type a series of letters or numbers that have been altered to make them difficult to read Only when the are correctly entered are you able to on continue on. Yes, that is exactly what a CAPTCHA image is. What about the part where you think it makes your members only secure from the public? It's a Turing test [1]. Are you a human or a robot? Unfortunately, CAPTCHA images have been cracked by bots. They are no longer secure. No response to that? They will not keep out the general public, so what made you think you would have a private, members only section accessible only to the members? If any human on the planet goes to your entry page they can interpret the distorted image and gain access to your 'private' information. What happens if one of your members sends the link of the interior page where your association members are listed? Will random access to that page redirect them back to the 'login' page? You *need* a username and password to keep - not only Google - but the _general public_ out of your private pages. And each and every single page inside the members-only section has to check and see if the user is logged in. Otherwise, it needs to send them to members/login. You should tell your association that you don't understand or know how to write a private web site. [1. Did you have to look that up? ] If I have to put in a User Name /password system will for that page. What database are you using? Which server-side programming language? PHP, ASP, PERL? You can't do it with just HTML. Do you understand that it needs to include *all* pages in the members only portion of the web site? (You didn't respond to the rest of the issues...) Current have the Skeleton pages setup as html. should be able to convert them. You know, Phillip, many of us are happy to help you but: 1. No URL 2. I can figure out from your last post what the heck you are saying nor what you have actually done http://www.sesda.org/ original site http://www.phillipmjones.net/SESDA/default.html my skeleton pages. Don't laugh at the color scheme. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? If Google owns and knows the captcha database, then it will be easy to bypass the captcha and get private information. For example I want to be able to put a membership list of the members of the association: names, business names, addresses, Phones, emails for the members to view. Now because Google owns the best Captcha software company there is out there, there now, no secure method of doing so. You need to explain how you were planning on using a CAPTCHA image on the association's login page. Does it not already have a user name and a password assigned to each member? How will a distorted image give Google the user's password? I have a site with exactly what you state you want to do. It's for a club. There is a Members Only portion of the site, and nobody can enter it without knowing a user's name and individual password. What good would a CAPTCHA do for a page like that? Did you ever have to enter a CAPTCHA value when you log into your bank's pages for your account details? If you are *not* using name and password access, it's your fault if the private information is compromised. Google, nor any other search engine, cannot access my site. there are sections of website the association wants everyone to see. But then there would be one section the Members-Only section should be hidden from view of Google and other items such as Yahoo , Altavista an so on. using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such No, it isn't the same thing at all. You do not understand the difference and should stop talking about it until you do. and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. Captcha is a technique, it is NOT some proprietary script, Web technology etc. You obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about. The forms scripts I use that happen to use a captcha technique cannot be accessed by anyone but a human being who can read and type. Maybe one day someone will build a piece of sw that can read a jumblepd-up bunch of pixels and correctly respond to them but it isn't possible right now. I don't care what company Google bought, it has nothing to do with the captcha technique in the scripts I use. Once again, Phillip, you are speaking before you understand. And, in the process, spreading paranoic mis-information. Usually your mistakes are merely amusing. In this case, sorry, it's damaging and needlessly nutty. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Photons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Lucas Levrel wrote: ---snip--- Do you think Google and others don't honor them? A resounding YES!! Google does honor them. I was considering a Captcha software to put on Web page on a website for an association, I found out that Googel had purchased it. So Now the members only page on the site will have to eliminated because Google has a hand in it and can use the captcha Database to break into secure sites. ... a Captcha software ... ??? What are you prattling on about? Fine, if one particular captcha script you were contemplating was from a company bought by Google, find another! Good grief. I trust Google about as far as I can pitch them. Keep your paranoia to yourself, Phillip. You're serving no one by broadcasting this nonsense. There are endless versions of captcha implementations in PHP and other languagues available for free. Do a little research before you go off on a rant. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Who so loves believes the impossible. - Elizabeth Barrett Browning ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Ed Mullen wrote: The forms scripts I use that happen to use a captcha technique cannot be accessed by anyone but a human being who can read and type. Maybe one day someone will build a piece of sw that can read a jumblepd-up bunch of pixels and correctly respond to them but it isn't possible right now. Just to set the record straight, Ed, google up this: captcha cracked by spammers ..and read away. CAPTCHAs are no longer secure, and haven't been for a couple of years. (Besides, they are annoying to humans. g ) It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On Sep 15, 5:17 pm, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: The Mozilla community discovered a crash some of our users have been seeing at startup after updates to our previous releases. To fix that issue, SeaMonkey 2.0.8 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download fromwww.seamonkey-project.org. We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can also be applied manually by selecting Check for Updates... from the Help menu. For a list of changes and more information, please review the SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Release Notes. Note: All users of the outdated SeaMonkey 1.x, Mozilla or Netscape suites are encouraged to upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0 by downloading it fromwww.seamonkey-project.org. Full news article:http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2010-09-15 Downloads for all available platforms and languages:http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Release notes:http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.8 System Requirements:http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator Ever since I upgraded to 2.0.8, it has crashed totally four or five times every morning. Then it seems stable for the remainder of the day ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 22.09.2010 22:43, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. No it does not. You cannot log in to a sight with just a captcha routine but you CAN login w/o it by entering your user/pass. All captcha is, is a challenge-response mechanism to insure that computer generated access is not automatic via a script, etc. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 9/23/2010 4:31 AM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Geez. Do you feel good about yourself now BS Nasty? At least he put forth an effort and created something for his family, regardless of what he used to do it. That's more than millions of other people have done. Now go and blast every site designer that used FP to code sites instead, and leave Phillip be. follow-up set to mozilla.general Terry R. -- Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Geez. Do you feel good about yourself now BS Nasty? As long as Phillip spreads FUD, yes I do. At least he put forth an effort and created something for his family, regardless of what he used to do it. That's more than millions of other people have done. The site he was discussing was not his regularly posted 'family' site, but was for some sort of association - with members' data at risk to public exposure. Would you think it is a good idea to let him go on and expose their information to the public, when that was not what was requested of him? Now go and blast every site designer that used FP to code sites instead, FrontPage? Doesn't matter what the tool is, if the site is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. and leave Phillip be. What are your thoughts on allowing him to spread false information? -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? If Google owns and knows the captcha database, then it will be easy to bypass the captcha and get private information. For example I want to be able to put a membership list of the members of the association: names, business names, addresses, Phones, emails for the members to view. Now because Google owns the best Captcha software company there is out there, there now, no secure method of doing so. You need to explain how you were planning on using a CAPTCHA image on the association's login page. Does it not already have a user name and a password assigned to each member? How will a distorted image give Google the user's password? I have a site with exactly what you state you want to do. It's for a club. There is a Members Only portion of the site, and nobody can enter it without knowing a user's name and individual password. What good would a CAPTCHA do for a page like that? Did you ever have to enter a CAPTCHA value when you log into your bank's pages for your account details? If you are *not* using name and password access, it's your fault if the private information is compromised. Google, nor any other search engine, cannot access my site. there are sections of website the association wants everyone to see. Great. The public part of the web site. But then there would be one section the Members-Only section should be hidden from view of Google and other items such as Yahoo , Altavista an so on. Yeah, search engines. Great. What about non-members? using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. Thanks for proving you don't know what a CAPTCHA is - or how to design a secure web site. In captcha you are required Type a series of letters or numbers that have been altered to make them difficult to read Only when the are correctly entered are you able to on continue on. It's a Turing test [1]. Are you a human or a robot? Unfortunately, CAPTCHA images have been cracked by bots. They are no longer secure. They will not keep out the general public, so what made you think you would have a private, members only section accessible only to the members? If any human on the planet goes to your entry page they can interpret the distorted image and gain access to your 'private' information. What happens if one of your members sends the link of the interior page where your association members are listed? Will random access to that page redirect them back to the 'login' page? You *need* a username and password to keep - not only Google - but the _general public_ out of your private pages. And each and every single page inside the members-only section has to check and see if the user is logged in. Otherwise, it needs to send them to members/login. You should tell your association that you don't understand or know how to write a private web site. [1. Did you have to look that up? ] If I have to put in a User Name /password system will for that page. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: The forms scripts I use that happen to use a captcha technique cannot be accessed by anyone but a human being who can read and type. Maybe one day someone will build a piece of sw that can read a jumblepd-up bunch of pixels and correctly respond to them but it isn't possible right now. Just to set the record straight, Ed, google up this: captcha cracked by spammers ..and read away. CAPTCHAs are no longer secure, and haven't been for a couple of years. (Besides, they are annoying to humans.g ) Thanks for the suggestion. I stand corrected. One interesting thing in the Wikipedia article I read was the success rate crackers have had cracking image captchas so far are less than 100%. Some are only at 30% or so. It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Yes, well, Phillip is a nice fellow but he can sometimes shoot from the hip. :-) -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ If the odds are a million to one against something occurring, chances are 50-50 it will. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Jay Garcia wrote: On 22.09.2010 22:43, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. No it does not. You cannot log in to a sight with just a captcha routine but you CAN login w/o it by entering your user/pass. All captcha is, is a challenge-response mechanism to insure that computer generated access is not automatic via a script, etc. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA Okay then Captcha is not the way to go. I'll have to investigate adding Username/Password control. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 10-09-23 8:14 AM, Headfrog wrote: Ever since I upgraded to 2.0.8, it has crashed totally four or five times every morning. Then it seems stable for the remainder of the day In SeaMonke, go to the address about:crashes (without the quotes) and tell us your latest crash IDs. We can then look at the data specific to your crash and have a better idea of what is causing the problem. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: [let's do some snipping here...] using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. Thanks for proving you don't know what a CAPTCHA is - or how to design a secure web site. In captcha you are required Type a series of letters or numbers that have been altered to make them difficult to read Only when the are correctly entered are you able to on continue on. Yes, that is exactly what a CAPTCHA image is. What about the part where you think it makes your members only secure from the public? It's a Turing test [1]. Are you a human or a robot? Unfortunately, CAPTCHA images have been cracked by bots. They are no longer secure. No response to that? They will not keep out the general public, so what made you think you would have a private, members only section accessible only to the members? If any human on the planet goes to your entry page they can interpret the distorted image and gain access to your 'private' information. What happens if one of your members sends the link of the interior page where your association members are listed? Will random access to that page redirect them back to the 'login' page? You *need* a username and password to keep - not only Google - but the _general public_ out of your private pages. And each and every single page inside the members-only section has to check and see if the user is logged in. Otherwise, it needs to send them to members/login. You should tell your association that you don't understand or know how to write a private web site. [1. Did you have to look that up? ] If I have to put in a User Name /password system will for that page. What database are you using? Which server-side programming language? PHP, ASP, PERL? You can't do it with just HTML. Do you understand that it needs to include *all* pages in the members only portion of the web site? (You didn't respond to the rest of the issues...) -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Geez. Do you feel good about yourself now BS Nasty? As long as Phillip spreads FUD, yes I do. At least he put forth an effort and created something for his family, regardless of what he used to do it. That's more than millions of other people have done. The site he was discussing was not his regularly posted 'family' site, but was for some sort of association - with members' data at risk to public exposure. Would you think it is a good idea to let him go on and expose their information to the public, when that was not what was requested of him? Now go and blast every site designer that used FP to code sites instead, FrontPage? Doesn't matter what the tool is, if the site is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. and leave Phillip be. What are your thoughts on allowing him to spread false information? If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 23.09.2010 11:31, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. It would be nice, rather than constantly belittling you, that someone with the time (I don't unfortunately) can take you aside via email or otherwise to instruct you on proper procedure, etc. for what you intend to accomplish, etc. May also benefit you to look into pre-programmed applications such as WordPress, Joomla, PHPnuke and so on, all of which use CAPTCHA - User/Pass authentication and so on. Most all of my PHP sites, including the UFAQ run with RavenNuke, very very secure and updated regularly. See www.ravenphpscripts.com, I am on the dev team btw. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Phillip Jones wrote: If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. 1. User goes to URL of main site 2. User enters Username and Password and clicks Login 3. User is taken to the private page(s) Same way you'd login to any banking, credit card etc. company site. Until you do you can only view the public content on the site. Once you login you have access to YOUR private account info. I have a few private areas on my sites that are password protected. It's incredibly easy to create protected folders/directories in my hosting company's Control Panel. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Why do we drive on parkways and park on driveways? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 23.09.2010 11:47, Ed Mullen wrote: --- Original Message --- Phillip Jones wrote: If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. 1. User goes to URL of main site 2. User enters Username and Password and clicks Login 3. User is taken to the private page(s) Same way you'd login to any banking, credit card etc. company site. Until you do you can only view the public content on the site. Once you login you have access to YOUR private account info. I have a few private areas on my sites that are password protected. It's incredibly easy to create protected folders/directories in my hosting company's Control Panel. What Phillip needs is a template-structured boiler-plate application such as I pointed out in my reply of a few mins ago. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 22.09.2010 22:43, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. No it does not. You cannot log in to a sight with just a captcha routine but you CAN login w/o it by entering your user/pass. All captcha is, is a challenge-response mechanism to insure that computer generated access is not automatic via a script, etc. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA Okay then Captcha is not the way to go. I'll have to investigate adding Username/Password control. Investigate what your hosting company provides regarding protected pages. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Save your breath, you'll need it to blow up your date. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Jay Garcia wrote: On 23.09.2010 11:47, Ed Mullen wrote: --- Original Message --- Phillip Jones wrote: If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. 1. User goes to URL of main site 2. User enters Username and Password and clicks Login 3. User is taken to the private page(s) Same way you'd login to any banking, credit card etc. company site. Until you do you can only view the public content on the site. Once you login you have access to YOUR private account info. I have a few private areas on my sites that are password protected. It's incredibly easy to create protected folders/directories in my hosting company's Control Panel. What Phillip needs is a template-structured boiler-plate application such as I pointed out in my reply of a few mins ago. I'm not sure why, Jay, if all he wants to do is protect Web pages. His hosting company ought to provide that capability via its Control Panel. If not, he ought to change hosts. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ That's a hell of an ambition, to be mellow. It's like wanting to be senile. - Randy Newman ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 9/23/2010 12:31 PM Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Geez. Do you feel good about yourself now BS Nasty? As long as Phillip spreads FUD, yes I do. At least he put forth an effort and created something for his family, regardless of what he used to do it. That's more than millions of other people have done. The site he was discussing was not his regularly posted 'family' site, but was for some sort of association - with members' data at risk to public exposure. Would you think it is a good idea to let him go on and expose their information to the public, when that was not what was requested of him? Now go and blast every site designer that used FP to code sites instead, FrontPage? Doesn't matter what the tool is, if the site is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. and leave Phillip be. What are your thoughts on allowing him to spread false information? If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. An old Java based program (from 1997) that I used when I needed secure pages was RiadaLock. I see it's still available at: http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Web_Authoring/Java_Programming_Tools/RiadaLock.html Whether it still works or not, I don't know. I haven't needed it's capabilities in the last 5 years. But it was still working then. -- Ed http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1zhwu/ Powered by SeaMonkey: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government. -Hugo Black, Supreme Court Justice ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 9/23/2010 9:14 AM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Geez. Do you feel good about yourself now BS Nasty? As long as Phillip spreads FUD, yes I do. The comment was regarding him being able to have a web site online. At least he put forth an effort and created something for his family, regardless of what he used to do it. That's more than millions of other people have done. The site he was discussing was not his regularly posted 'family' site, but was for some sort of association - with members' data at risk to public exposure. Would you think it is a good idea to let him go on and expose their information to the public, when that was not what was requested of him? Again, the comment was regarding being able to have a web site online, which is for his family's purposes. You're twisting the two together. Now go and blast every site designer that used FP to code sites instead, FrontPage? Doesn't matter what the tool is, if the site is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. You blasted him for using Dreamweaver. That's the point. Thousands use FP and produce crappy websites. Phillip used what tool he could not knowing how to code by hand. and leave Phillip be. What are your thoughts on allowing him to spread false information? Wow, that's the first time that's happened in these groups... Terry R. -- Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Robert Kaiser wrote: The Mozilla community discovered a crash some of our users have been seeing at startup after updates to our previous releases. To fix that issue, SeaMonkey 2.0.8 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. I was never bitten by the 2.0.7 bugs, but I did upgrade without incident. Great job finding the problem and getting a fix out quickly. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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W3BNR wrote: On 9/23/2010 12:31 PM Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Geez. Do you feel good about yourself now BS Nasty? As long as Phillip spreads FUD, yes I do. At least he put forth an effort and created something for his family, regardless of what he used to do it. That's more than millions of other people have done. The site he was discussing was not his regularly posted 'family' site, but was for some sort of association - with members' data at risk to public exposure. Would you think it is a good idea to let him go on and expose their information to the public, when that was not what was requested of him? Now go and blast every site designer that used FP to code sites instead, FrontPage? Doesn't matter what the tool is, if the site is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. and leave Phillip be. What are your thoughts on allowing him to spread false information? If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. An old Java based program (from 1997) that I used when I needed secure pages was RiadaLock. I see it's still available at: http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Web_Authoring/Java_Programming_Tools/RiadaLock.html Whether it still works or not, I don't know. I haven't needed it's capabilities in the last 5 years. But it was still working then. Dully noted and I copied the link to look at it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Ed Mullen wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 23.09.2010 11:47, Ed Mullen wrote: --- Original Message --- Phillip Jones wrote: If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. 1. User goes to URL of main site 2. User enters Username and Password and clicks Login 3. User is taken to the private page(s) Same way you'd login to any banking, credit card etc. company site. Until you do you can only view the public content on the site. Once you login you have access to YOUR private account info. I have a few private areas on my sites that are password protected. It's incredibly easy to create protected folders/directories in my hosting company's Control Panel. What Phillip needs is a template-structured boiler-plate application such as I pointed out in my reply of a few mins ago. I'm not sure why, Jay, if all he wants to do is protect Web pages. His hosting company ought to provide that capability via its Control Panel. If not, he ought to change hosts. I'll investigate that when They get ready to go online. sounds like a better idea. I'm afraid they are trying to host it themselves to save money. My own Provider for my Website May (Lunar Pages they use cPanel). Never needed it because I don't wish to hide any of mine. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 23.09.2010 11:31, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. It would be nice, rather than constantly belittling you, that someone with the time (I don't unfortunately) can take you aside via email or otherwise to instruct you on proper procedure, etc. for what you intend to accomplish, etc. May also benefit you to look into pre-programmed applications such as WordPress, Joomla, PHPnuke and so on, all of which use CAPTCHA - User/Pass authentication and so on. Most all of my PHP sites, including the UFAQ run with RavenNuke, very very secure and updated regularly. See www.ravenphpscripts.com, I am on the dev team btw. I have WordPress blog on my website. But for Now I don't know their provider. For Now I've been getting the skeleton of the site up and running http://www.phillipmjones.net/SESDA/default.html Don't knock the color scheme its their choice I even added some rollover buttons when clicked will switch next page. all are using same layout and yes I am using a CSS Set followup to Mozilla. General -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Ed Mullen wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. 1. User goes to URL of main site 2. User enters Username and Password and clicks Login 3. User is taken to the private page(s) Same way you'd login to any banking, credit card etc. company site. Until you do you can only view the public content on the site. Once you login you have access to YOUR private account info. I have a few private areas on my sites that are password protected. It's incredibly easy to create protected folders/directories in my hosting company's Control Panel. will have to wait to find the groups provider. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 23.09.2010 11:47, Ed Mullen wrote: --- Original Message --- Phillip Jones wrote: If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. 1. User goes to URL of main site 2. User enters Username and Password and clicks Login 3. User is taken to the private page(s) Same way you'd login to any banking, credit card etc. company site. Until you do you can only view the public content on the site. Once you login you have access to YOUR private account info. I have a few private areas on my sites that are password protected. It's incredibly easy to create protected folders/directories in my hosting company's Control Panel. What Phillip needs is a template-structured boiler-plate application such as I pointed out in my reply of a few mins ago. I'm not sure why, Jay, if all he wants to do is protect Web pages. His hosting company ought to provide that capability via its Control Panel. If not, he ought to change hosts. I'll investigate that when They get ready to go online. sounds like a better idea. I'm afraid they are trying to host it themselves to save money. My own Provider for my Website May (Lunar Pages they use cPanel). Never needed it because I don't wish to hide any of mine. http://1and1.com/ The Home package is less than $84 a year. For that trivial sum it's not worth the headache of running their own server. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ An expert is someone who is tenacious enough to spend an infinite amount of time muddling through the obscure to realize the obvious. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: [let's do some snipping here...] using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. Thanks for proving you don't know what a CAPTCHA is - or how to design a secure web site. In captcha you are required Type a series of letters or numbers that have been altered to make them difficult to read Only when the are correctly entered are you able to on continue on. Yes, that is exactly what a CAPTCHA image is. What about the part where you think it makes your members only secure from the public? It's a Turing test [1]. Are you a human or a robot? Unfortunately, CAPTCHA images have been cracked by bots. They are no longer secure. No response to that? They will not keep out the general public, so what made you think you would have a private, members only section accessible only to the members? If any human on the planet goes to your entry page they can interpret the distorted image and gain access to your 'private' information. What happens if one of your members sends the link of the interior page where your association members are listed? Will random access to that page redirect them back to the 'login' page? You *need* a username and password to keep - not only Google - but the _general public_ out of your private pages. And each and every single page inside the members-only section has to check and see if the user is logged in. Otherwise, it needs to send them to members/login. You should tell your association that you don't understand or know how to write a private web site. [1. Did you have to look that up? ] If I have to put in a User Name /password system will for that page. What database are you using? Which server-side programming language? PHP, ASP, PERL? You can't do it with just HTML. Do you understand that it needs to include *all* pages in the members only portion of the web site? (You didn't respond to the rest of the issues...) Current have the Skeleton pages setup as html. should be able to convert them. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Ed Mullen wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 23.09.2010 11:47, Ed Mullen wrote: --- Original Message --- Phillip Jones wrote: If it doesn't do what I need then I will figure out how to add User-name/Password. But how does the User, the one that adds the private content get into a password protected to change the content when needed. 1. User goes to URL of main site 2. User enters Username and Password and clicks Login 3. User is taken to the private page(s) Same way you'd login to any banking, credit card etc. company site. Until you do you can only view the public content on the site. Once you login you have access to YOUR private account info. I have a few private areas on my sites that are password protected. It's incredibly easy to create protected folders/directories in my hosting company's Control Panel. What Phillip needs is a template-structured boiler-plate application such as I pointed out in my reply of a few mins ago. I'm not sure why, Jay, if all he wants to do is protect Web pages. His hosting company ought to provide that capability via its Control Panel. If not, he ought to change hosts. I'll investigate that when They get ready to go online. sounds like a better idea. I'm afraid they are trying to host it themselves to save money. My own Provider for my Website May (Lunar Pages they use cPanel). Never needed it because I don't wish to hide any of mine. http://1and1.com/ The Home package is less than $84 a year. For that trivial sum it's not worth the headache of running their own server. I bookmarked the link. Lot of folks in the Electronics field are using GoDaddy. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Terry R. wrote: On 9/23/2010 9:14 AM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Geez. Do you feel good about yourself now BS Nasty? As long as Phillip spreads FUD, yes I do. The comment was regarding him being able to have a web site online. At least he put forth an effort and created something for his family, regardless of what he used to do it. That's more than millions of other people have done. The site he was discussing was not his regularly posted 'family' site, but was for some sort of association - with members' data at risk to public exposure. Would you think it is a good idea to let him go on and expose their information to the public, when that was not what was requested of him? Again, the comment was regarding being able to have a web site online, which is for his family's purposes. You're twisting the two together. Now go and blast every site designer that used FP to code sites instead, FrontPage? Doesn't matter what the tool is, if the site is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. You blasted him for using Dreamweaver. That's the point. Thousands use FP and produce crappy websites. Phillip used what tool he could not knowing how to code by hand. and leave Phillip be. What are your thoughts on allowing him to spread false information? Wow, that's the first time that's happened in these groups... Terry R. Originally created crappy pages because I had to learn on my own without help what so ever, I was given originally DreamWeaver and told your web master of this website. Then when I made my own pages I tried to do the right thing originally with XHTML. Well times change and I updated my own site using HTML 4.0.1 Strict. But people made fun because I use Tables for photos. Still use some on two pages. But at least there are no error. Now this other Association asked me the possibility of creating a site for them. As They liked what I had done with the original Association site I had worked on. I just need the one section Members only to be private. The other would be public information. I frequent sites that use captcha before I can do anything (mostly to prove a person is doing something) I thought that might do. But due to everyone ragging me found out that's not secure enough. So I will look into username/password. If you want to see how bad there current site is Look at http://www.sesda.org That's it. they want just more than basically Convention Page. They use aspx pages in the original site. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: [let's do some snipping here...] using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. Thanks for proving you don't know what a CAPTCHA is - or how to design a secure web site. In captcha you are required Type a series of letters or numbers that have been altered to make them difficult to read Only when the are correctly entered are you able to on continue on. Yes, that is exactly what a CAPTCHA image is. What about the part where you think it makes your members only secure from the public? It's a Turing test [1]. Are you a human or a robot? Unfortunately, CAPTCHA images have been cracked by bots. They are no longer secure. No response to that? They will not keep out the general public, so what made you think you would have a private, members only section accessible only to the members? If any human on the planet goes to your entry page they can interpret the distorted image and gain access to your 'private' information. What happens if one of your members sends the link of the interior page where your association members are listed? Will random access to that page redirect them back to the 'login' page? You *need* a username and password to keep - not only Google - but the _general public_ out of your private pages. And each and every single page inside the members-only section has to check and see if the user is logged in. Otherwise, it needs to send them to members/login. You should tell your association that you don't understand or know how to write a private web site. [1. Did you have to look that up? ] If I have to put in a User Name /password system will for that page. What database are you using? Which server-side programming language? PHP, ASP, PERL? You can't do it with just HTML. Do you understand that it needs to include *all* pages in the members only portion of the web site? (You didn't respond to the rest of the issues...) Current have the Skeleton pages setup as html. should be able to convert them. You know, Phillip, many of us are happy to help you but: 1. No URL 2. I can figure out from your last post what the heck you are saying nor what you have actually done -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Deja FU: The feeling that you've screwed this up before. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Terry R. wrote: On 9/23/2010 9:14 AM On a whim, Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard Terry R. wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty pounded out on the keyboard It's very obvious Phillip knows not of what he speaks, and he should stop spreading FUD. I know that, without DreamWeaver, Phillip would not even be able to *have* a web site online. Geez. Do you feel good about yourself now BS Nasty? As long as Phillip spreads FUD, yes I do. The comment was regarding him being able to have a web site online. At least he put forth an effort and created something for his family, regardless of what he used to do it. That's more than millions of other people have done. The site he was discussing was not his regularly posted 'family' site, but was for some sort of association - with members' data at risk to public exposure. Would you think it is a good idea to let him go on and expose their information to the public, when that was not what was requested of him? Again, the comment was regarding being able to have a web site online, which is for his family's purposes. You're twisting the two together. Now go and blast every site designer that used FP to code sites instead, FrontPage? Doesn't matter what the tool is, if the site is not doing what it is supposed to be doing. You blasted him for using Dreamweaver. That's the point. Thousands use FP and produce crappy websites. Phillip used what tool he could not knowing how to code by hand. and leave Phillip be. What are your thoughts on allowing him to spread false information? Wow, that's the first time that's happened in these groups... Terry R. Originally created crappy pages because I had to learn on my own without help what so ever, I was given originally DreamWeaver and told your web master of this website. Then when I made my own pages I tried to do the right thing originally with XHTML. Well times change and I updated my own site using HTML 4.0.1 Strict. But people made fun because I use Tables for photos. Still use some on two pages. But at least there are no error. Now this other Association asked me the possibility of creating a site for them. As They liked what I had done with the original Association site I had worked on. I just need the one section Members only to be private. The other would be public information. I frequent sites that use captcha before I can do anything (mostly to prove a person is doing something) I thought that might do. But due to everyone ragging me found out that's not secure enough. So I will look into username/password. If you want to see how bad there current site is Look at http://www.sesda.org That's it. they want just more than basically Convention Page. They use aspx pages in the original site. Phillip, if you have a thick enough skin take this discussion to one of these groups: alt.html comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets comp.inforsystems.www.authoring.html alt.www.webmaster Look, what you're trying to do is very simple assuming your hosting service provides the right tools. If you don't already have a provider, research it. You referenced Go Daddy. Not a good reputation from what I've found. We all have biases but, honestly, I've had great service from 1 and 1 dot com. It's a super value. But I wouldn't touch Go Daddy with a four foot Italian. And, if I can help in a way that isn't appropriate for these groups, email me. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Rock is dead, long live paper scissors. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 22.09.2010 00:40, Philip Chee wrote: --- Original Message --- On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:25:24 -0500, Jay Garcia wrote: Look at the list of devs (module owners) here: http://www.mozilla.org/about/owners.html For SeaMonkey specific developers perhaps it would be better to look at: http://dev.seamonkey.at/?d=xi=projectm=ff.level=1 Phil Yes, re SM but Phillip was making a general mis-statement about devs in general so I just provided him with list in general to peruse. :-) Either way he'll be out of touch for quite some time now that there are two lists. :-D -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Philip Chee schrieb: On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:25:24 -0500, Jay Garcia wrote: Look at the list of devs (module owners) here: http://www.mozilla.org/about/owners.html For SeaMonkey specific developers perhaps it would be better to look at: http://dev.seamonkey.at/?d=xi=projectm=ff.level=1 Phew, and I had hoped to not have this URL spread to widely because I have no clue what heavy hitting it and its links will do to the server - and when you publish it here, Google and others will probably go and follow every link to index it... Also, note that this is just an automated statistics tool, not an official directory for module owners or peers. We will update the project areas list that should act as that, we have planned a session for doing that in the upcoming SeaMonkey Developer Meeting in October. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Le 22 septembre 2010, Robert Kaiser a écrit : Phew, and I had hoped to not have this URL spread to widely because I have no clue what heavy hitting it and its links will do to the server - and when you publish it here, Google and others will probably go and follow every link to index it... There exist HTML meta tags telling bots not to index and even not to follow links. Do you think Google and others don't honor them? -- LL ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Lucas Levrel wrote: ---snip--- Do you think Google and others don't honor them? A resounding YES!! I was considering a Captcha software to put on Web page on a website for an association, I found out that Googel had purchased it. So Now the members only page on the site will have to eliminated because Google has a hand in it and can use the captcha Database to break into secure sites. I trust Google about as far as I can pitch them. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote:
Lucas Levrel wrote:
---snip---
Do you think Google and others don't honor them?
A resounding YES!!
I was considering a Captcha software to put on Web page on a website for
an association, I found out that Googel had purchased it. So Now the
members only page on the site will have to eliminated because Google has
a hand in it and can use the captcha Database to break into secure sites.
I trust Google about as far as I can pitch them.
I agree that Google is an enemy of privacy, and of freedom itself, in
some fundamental ways - their leadership is way out of control.
As for Captcha, I seem to recall that there are some Google-free
alternatives.
BTW: I wonder if anyone has created a Web page logo something like
Another Google-free Web page linked to a site that lists all of
the anti-privacy and anti-freedom activities of Google?
I'd sure add it to my sites.
I use http://startpage.com, clusty.com, yippy.com, and other
google-free search engines. I don't miss anything by doing so.
I never google, I search!
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Phillip Jones wrote: Lucas Levrel wrote: ---snip--- Restore snip: There exist HTML meta tags telling bots not to index and even not to follow links. Do you think Google and others don't honor them? A resounding YES!! Phillip, your paranoia is showing again. Google, and all the major respectable search engines, observe the noindex, nofollow attributes. I was considering a Captcha software to put on Web page on a website for an association, I found out that Googel had purchased it. So Now the members only page on the site will have to eliminated because Google has a hand in it and can use the captcha Database to break into secure sites. Still more paranoia. You will need to explain or cite how an association's site CAPTCHA could be used to break into secure sites. Start with *which* secure sites. List URLs, please. A CAPTCHA is just an image of a distorted group of characters... I trust Google about as far as I can pitch them. So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Google-free SM [Was: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available]
So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names?
Steal their bank accounts?
Have you heard the pompous declarations of the head of Google?
That soon people will not ask Google merely for information
but will rely upon them for direction because Google has gathered
so much data about them over so long a period of time that they
know more about them than they do.
If that does not frighten you then I have to guess that you are
missing his intent.
This is a dangerous man with too much money and power and too
many resources.
It has nothing to do with paranoia, it has to do with the
application of clear thinking to a clear and present danger
to privacy and to freedom.
Orwell's 1984 may be a few decades late but according to Google
they are about to make it into a reality is ways one may have
to morph 1984 and The Matrix to contemplate.
There is a reason Google is being investigated and sued by
government agencies around the world.
Let's not be blind - history is replete with the terrible
consequences resulting from ignoring obvious threats to
freedom.
No one *needs* Google - so since they have clearly stated their
intend to invade privacy and to attack freedom how about we just
make our own decision to part company with them?
It's not hard.
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Lucas Levrel wrote: ---snip--- Restore snip: There exist HTML meta tags telling bots not to index and even not to follow links. Do you think Google and others don't honor them? A resounding YES!! Phillip, your paranoia is showing again. Google, and all the major respectable search engines, observe the noindex, nofollow attributes. I was considering a Captcha software to put on Web page on a website for an association, I found out that Googel had purchased it. So Now the members only page on the site will have to eliminated because Google has a hand in it and can use the captcha Database to break into secure sites. Still more paranoia. You will need to explain or cite how an association's site CAPTCHA could be used to break into secure sites. Start with *which* secure sites. List URLs, please. A CAPTCHA is just an image of a distorted group of characters... I trust Google about as far as I can pitch them. So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? If Google owns and knows the captcha database, then it will be easy to bypass the captcha and get private information. For example I want to be able to put a membership list of the members of the association: names, business names, addresses, Phones, emails for the members to view. Now because Google owns the best Captcha software company there is out there, there now, no secure method of doing so. The CEO of Google has said in articles reported on cNet, Zdnet, and Computerworld, that viewer/user/Consumer security and Privacy, is of no interest what so ever to Google, the dissemination of information only is their only concern. If you believe in a man's word is his Bond and handshake on a deal is sufficient. Your 40 years behind times. Anyone, companies, individuals are out to take advantage of you if they get the chance and you let them. Today money is king and nothing else matters. Dunto others, before they do it unto you. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? If Google owns and knows the captcha database, then it will be easy to bypass the captcha and get private information. For example I want to be able to put a membership list of the members of the association: names, business names, addresses, Phones, emails for the members to view. Now because Google owns the best Captcha software company there is out there, there now, no secure method of doing so. You need to explain how you were planning on using a CAPTCHA image on the association's login page. Does it not already have a user name and a password assigned to each member? How will a distorted image give Google the user's password? I have a site with exactly what you state you want to do. It's for a club. There is a Members Only portion of the site, and nobody can enter it without knowing a user's name and individual password. What good would a CAPTCHA do for a page like that? Did you ever have to enter a CAPTCHA value when you log into your bank's pages for your account details? If you are *not* using name and password access, it's your fault if the private information is compromised. Google, nor any other search engine, cannot access my site. -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 21.09.2010 16:40, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 21.09.2010 10:11, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- W3BNR wrote: On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Bug 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get fixed. More of a new feature request than a bug. Only 28 votes and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a duplicate of this one. Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function. NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely called when doing a reply - this not a great job to be done. You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE this why i created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes.' and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is mimimal. If it's minimal than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in their spare time. if you read the text, you will imediately see that's a minimal work - in short: 1. Create an option named Reply-header-like-forward and use it when replying to a mail is this way: If Reply-header-like-forward is true then callforward-header-composition; --- If i know how to modify SeaMonkey, i can give a try. That is not programming steps needed to upgrade the module(s) necessary to effect the change(s). If it's that simple then do it. If someone told me not to do it, but how i can participate for the coding i can try to implement it. Go for it, your contribution will be most appreciated. I have readed ... : https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Windows_Prerequisites And my conclusion, is that i give up - i will not be able to install what is needed to perform this little modification :-( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 22.09.2010 13:54, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Lucas Levrel wrote: ---snip--- Do you think Google and others don't honor them? A resounding YES!! Well, you're wrong, they do. I was considering a Captcha software to put on Web page on a website for an association, I found out that Googel had purchased it. So Now the members only page on the site will have to eliminated because Google has a hand in it and can use the captcha Database to break into secure sites. I trust Google about as far as I can pitch them. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Google-free SM [Was: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available]
d...@kd4e.com d...@kd4e.com wrote: So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? Have you heard the pompous declarations of the head of Google? That soon people will not ask Google merely for information but will rely upon them for direction because Google has gathered so much data about them over so long a period of time that they know more about them than they do. If that does not frighten you then I have to guess that you are missing his intent. This is a dangerous man with too much money and power and too many resources. It has nothing to do with paranoia, it has to do with the application of clear thinking to a clear and present danger to privacy and to freedom. Orwell's 1984 may be a few decades late but according to Google they are about to make it into a reality is ways one may have to morph 1984 and The Matrix to contemplate. There is a reason Google is being investigated and sued by government agencies around the world. Let's not be blind - history is replete with the terrible consequences resulting from ignoring obvious threats to freedom. No one *needs* Google - so since they have clearly stated their intend to invade privacy and to attack freedom how about we just make our own decision to part company with them? It's not hard. Could you provide a link to these comments, so that we might read and judge for ourselves? Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Google-free SM [Was: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available]
That soon people will not ask Google merely for information
but will rely upon them for direction because Google has gathered
so much data about them over so long a period of time that they
know more about them than they do.
Orwell's 1984 may be a few decades late but according to Google
they are about to make it into a reality is ways one may have
to morph 1984 and The Matrix to contemplate.
Could you provide a link to these comments, so that we might read and
judge for ourselves?
Lee
It was all over the tech news as well as FoxNews online and Drudge -
it was pretty hard to miss - he made a big splash.
A quick http://startpage.com Search brought up this:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread601623/pg1
I imagine there is much more out there, including I'd expect some
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? If Google owns and knows the captcha database, then it will be easy to bypass the captcha and get private information. For example I want to be able to put a membership list of the members of the association: names, business names, addresses, Phones, emails for the members to view. Now because Google owns the best Captcha software company there is out there, there now, no secure method of doing so. You need to explain how you were planning on using a CAPTCHA image on the association's login page. Does it not already have a user name and a password assigned to each member? How will a distorted image give Google the user's password? I have a site with exactly what you state you want to do. It's for a club. There is a Members Only portion of the site, and nobody can enter it without knowing a user's name and individual password. What good would a CAPTCHA do for a page like that? Did you ever have to enter a CAPTCHA value when you log into your bank's pages for your account details? If you are *not* using name and password access, it's your fault if the private information is compromised. Google, nor any other search engine, cannot access my site. there are sections of website the association wants everyone to see. But then there would be one section the Members-Only section should be hidden from view of Google and other items such as Yahoo , Altavista an so on. using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? If Google owns and knows the captcha database, then it will be easy to bypass the captcha and get private information. For example I want to be able to put a membership list of the members of the association: names, business names, addresses, Phones, emails for the members to view. Now because Google owns the best Captcha software company there is out there, there now, no secure method of doing so. You need to explain how you were planning on using a CAPTCHA image on the association's login page. Does it not already have a user name and a password assigned to each member? How will a distorted image give Google the user's password? I have a site with exactly what you state you want to do. It's for a club. There is a Members Only portion of the site, and nobody can enter it without knowing a user's name and individual password. What good would a CAPTCHA do for a page like that? Did you ever have to enter a CAPTCHA value when you log into your bank's pages for your account details? If you are *not* using name and password access, it's your fault if the private information is compromised. Google, nor any other search engine, cannot access my site. there are sections of website the association wants everyone to see. Great. The public part of the web site. But then there would be one section the Members-Only section should be hidden from view of Google and other items such as Yahoo , Altavista an so on. Yeah, search engines. Great. What about non-members? using a Captcha does the same thing as using a username and password without the need for such and until Google bought the leading captcha software developer, It was as secure as having a user name and password. Thanks for proving you don't know what a CAPTCHA is - or how to design a secure web site. It's a Turing test [1]. Are you a human or a robot? Unfortunately, CAPTCHA images have been cracked by bots. They are no longer secure. They will not keep out the general public, so what made you think you would have a private, members only section accessible only to the members? If any human on the planet goes to your entry page they can interpret the distorted image and gain access to your 'private' information. What happens if one of your members sends the link of the interior page where your association members are listed? Will random access to that page redirect them back to the 'login' page? You *need* a username and password to keep - not only Google - but the _general public_ out of your private pages. And each and every single page inside the members-only section has to check and see if the user is logged in. Otherwise, it needs to send them to members/login. You should tell your association that you don't understand or know how to write a private web site. [1. Did you have to look that up? ] -- -bts -Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Google-free SM [Was: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available]
d...@kd4e.com wrote: So what is Googel going to do with your association members' names? Steal their bank accounts? Have you heard the pompous declarations of the head of Google? http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/forwhati.htm -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Only in America are there handicap parking places in front of a skating rink. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 13:27, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Cripes Phillip!!! Re-read the message, especially the lines ... reported by ... How many of those reporters do you think/know are devs? My guess .. NONE!! I can't make that guess because I don't know first hand the names of any developers other than Phil Chee. Then here is Phil Chee's list again, make note of reported by: : Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan None of those are devs, ok? Bring up the list of bug fixes again from the link I gave you. Look at the list of devs (module owners) here: http://www.mozilla.org/about/owners.html Now, compare the reporters in the list to see who is a dev and who is a user. Report back here with your findings. If you don't want to do this then you'll just have to settle for the fact that there are more users that report bugs than devs and stop posting mis-information instigated by your own personal view(s). I gave you the tools, ok? -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- W3BNR wrote: On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Bug 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get fixed. More of a new feature request than a bug. Only 28 votes and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a duplicate of this one. Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function. NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely called when doing a reply - this not a great job to be done. You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE this why i created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes.' and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is mimimal. If it's minimal than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in their spare time. if you read the text, you will imediately see that's a minimal work - in short: 1. Create an option named Reply-header-like-forward and use it when replying to a mail is this way: If Reply-header-like-forward is true then call forward-header-composition; --- If i know how to modify SeaMonkey, i can give a try. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 19:34, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- W3BNR wrote: On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Bug 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get fixed. More of a new feature request than a bug. Only 28 votes and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a duplicate of this one. Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function. NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely called when doing a reply - this not a great job to be done. You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE this why i created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes.' and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is mimimal. If it's minimal than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in their spare time. Finally Found the bug I was referring to: mine is 597784 original is: 580442 It has title as described. By some of the contents of some developers its appears to be a deliberate attempt to limit users' abilities to do what they want. now go read both. then come back and say I like to spread stuff around. As I've commented in both I will remain at 2.0.6 until the code its removed, a way to bypass in about:config is figured out, or someone comes up with a hack to turn that code off. also I suggested (I did not say how easy) that to go at it, from users point of view, and put in a Preference to turn off receiving such specific items. That way the people that need it have it, can. Those that don't want to see it, can turn it off. They're all against you Phillip, only you. Yep. Actually I've been told a fix is in the works. Its curious that we been doing what as in 2.0.6 and lower since Communicator Day's about 12 years or more and they just decide it was supposed to be a security risk. I have seen anything risky out it for 12 or more years. This will be my last post on this issue. Don't rock any boat if a fix is in the works. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 21.09.2010 10:11, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- W3BNR wrote: On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Bug 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get fixed. More of a new feature request than a bug. Only 28 votes and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a duplicate of this one. Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function. NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely called when doing a reply - this not a great job to be done. You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE this why i created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes.' and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is mimimal. If it's minimal than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in their spare time. if you read the text, you will imediately see that's a minimal work - in short: 1. Create an option named Reply-header-like-forward and use it when replying to a mail is this way: If Reply-header-like-forward is true then call forward-header-composition; --- If i know how to modify SeaMonkey, i can give a try. That is not programming steps needed to upgrade the module(s) necessary to effect the change(s). If it's that simple then do it. I understand what you are saying to do but it needs a programmer to write the code necessary, etc. And THAT is not that simple. Then you need someone capable to take the time. In open-source it's not always a simple task to attract a contributor away from what they do for a living as well as fix bugs for free and so on in the time they already have dedicated. Good luck. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 21.09.2010 10:11, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- W3BNR wrote: On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Bug 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get fixed. More of a new feature request than a bug. Only 28 votes and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a duplicate of this one. Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function. NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely called when doing a reply - this not a great job to be done. You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE this why i created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes.' and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is mimimal. If it's minimal than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in their spare time. if you read the text, you will imediately see that's a minimal work - in short: 1. Create an option named Reply-header-like-forward and use it when replying to a mail is this way: If Reply-header-like-forward is true then callforward-header-composition; --- If i know how to modify SeaMonkey, i can give a try. That is not programming steps needed to upgrade the module(s) necessary to effect the change(s). If it's that simple then do it. If someone told me not to do it, but how i can participate for the coding i can try to implement it. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 21.09.2010 16:40, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 21.09.2010 10:11, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- W3BNR wrote: On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Bug 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get fixed. More of a new feature request than a bug. Only 28 votes and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a duplicate of this one. Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function. NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely called when doing a reply - this not a great job to be done. You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE this why i created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes.' and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is mimimal. If it's minimal than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in their spare time. if you read the text, you will imediately see that's a minimal work - in short: 1. Create an option named Reply-header-like-forward and use it when replying to a mail is this way: If Reply-header-like-forward is true then callforward-header-composition; --- If i know how to modify SeaMonkey, i can give a try. That is not programming steps needed to upgrade the module(s) necessary to effect the change(s). If it's that simple then do it. If someone told me not to do it, but how i can participate for the coding i can try to implement it. Go for it, your contribution will be most appreciated. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:25:24 -0500, Jay Garcia wrote: Look at the list of devs (module owners) here: http://www.mozilla.org/about/owners.html For SeaMonkey specific developers perhaps it would be better to look at: http://dev.seamonkey.at/?d=xi=projectm=ff.level=1 Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Bug 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get fixed. More of a new feature request than a bug. Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function. -- Ed http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1zhwu/ Powered by SeaMonkey: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ I am human, therefore nothing human is strange to me. -Terentius ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 00:57, Philip Chee wrote: --- Original Message --- On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Maybe we won't see Phillip for a while after I posted the link to the bug fix page, will take him ages to sift through each bug to see exactly who filed 'em. :-D -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 04:05, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Both bugs are RFE bugs (Request For Enhancment) and not defects in the application. Don't expect either one to be worked on unless someone decides that they have the time away from fixing bugs. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Technically your not a User. You work on Plugins and extensions so you are a developer. I like most people no thing at all about the mechanics. Heck I only just recently learned about what I could CSS. All I know is when I use something what it did or would do, and what not is not doing or can no longer do And Try to explain to the best of my abilities Which most make light of. But its the best I can do. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it In reading the first bug from one end proves exactly my point that developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 00:57, Philip Chee wrote: --- Original Message --- On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Maybe we won't see Phillip for a while after I posted the link to the bug fix page, will take him ages to sift through each bug to see exactly who filed 'em. :-D Fat chance :-D I've reported the bug myself and we will see if it gets attention. perhaps when nether regions freeze over. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 10:31, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Technically your not a User. You work on Plugins and extensions so you are a developer. I like most people no thing at all about the mechanics. Heck I only just recently learned about what I could CSS. All I know is when I use something what it did or would do, and what not is not doing or can no longer do And Try to explain to the best of my abilities Which most make light of. But its the best I can do. What you're alluding to is that developers only fix bugs for their own enjoyment/amusement and that users don't count. Where in heaven's name do you get this stuff, Phillip? -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 10:44, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 00:57, Philip Chee wrote: --- Original Message --- On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Maybe we won't see Phillip for a while after I posted the link to the bug fix page, will take him ages to sift through each bug to see exactly who filed 'em. :-D Fat chance :-D I've reported the bug myself and we will see if it gets attention. perhaps when nether regions freeze over. Why don't you simply go through the first 50 and report back to us who are devs and who are users that are the original reporters. If you have any doubt then post the names and we'll confirm. Keep in mind that that list are FIXED bugs. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 10:42, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it In reading the first bug from one end proves exactly my point that developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes. Do you know what a RFE bug is and where they sit on the priority list? -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:31:38 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Technically your not a User. You work on Plugins and extensions so you are a developer. I like most people no thing at all about the mechanics. Heck I only just recently learned about what I could CSS. All I know is when I use something what it did or would do, and what not is not doing or can no longer do And Try to explain to the best of my abilities Which most make light of. But its the best I can do. Since you obviously didn't read the post you are responding to I have decided that replying to you is a waste of time. Bye. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 10:42, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it In reading the first bug from one end proves exactly my point that developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes. Do you know what a RFE bug is and where they sit on the priority list? Yes I know what Referral For Enhancement is: But did you see all the arguments against the suggestion? with all the arrangements against. there was no chance it would even been looked at. You can actually tell what will get fixed or added just by comments. If there are no comments with a week. or if the vast majority of comments are negative. nothing will be fixed Go look at bugs That have no comments, and those that have mostly negative comments. Now see one with good comment as majority and see for yourself which have been fixed or are being worked on. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 10:31, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Technically your not a User. You work on Plugins and extensions so you are a developer. I like most people no thing at all about the mechanics. Heck I only just recently learned about what I could CSS. All I know is when I use something what it did or would do, and what not is not doing or can no longer do And Try to explain to the best of my abilities Which most make light of. But its the best I can do. Cripes Phillip!!! Re-read the message, especially the lines ... reported by ... How many of those reporters do you think/know are devs? My guess .. NONE!! -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 13:02, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 10:42, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it In reading the first bug from one end proves exactly my point that developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes. Do you know what a RFE bug is and where they sit on the priority list? Yes I know what Referral For Enhancement is: But did you see all the arguments against the suggestion? with all the arrangements against. there was no chance it would even been looked at. You can actually tell what will get fixed or added just by comments. If there are no comments with a week. or if the vast majority of comments are negative. nothing will be fixed Go look at bugs That have no comments, and those that have mostly negative comments. Now see one with good comment as majority and see for yourself which have been fixed or are being worked on. What do you think is the ratio of RFE's that are implemented to the bugs that are fixed? Taking that list that I posted the link to, how many of those FIXED bugs are RFE's? None? What do you think is the reason? Could the answer be that real BUGS are a lot more important than a wish-list? In fact, a very recent request/wish was made by Timo P in the .devs.thunderbird group. It's being discussed and attended to quite handily and may show up in the next release. Timo is making suggestions and the devs are listening. BTW, Timo is a user. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 10:31, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Technically your not a User. You work on Plugins and extensions so you are a developer. I like most people no thing at all about the mechanics. Heck I only just recently learned about what I could CSS. All I know is when I use something what it did or would do, and what not is not doing or can no longer do And Try to explain to the best of my abilities Which most make light of. But its the best I can do. What you're alluding to is that developers only fix bugs for their own enjoyment/amusement and that users don't count. Where in heaven's name do you get this stuff, Phillip? well in a way that's true because Open source depends upon people or companies that want to wish to donate free time. They have day jobs and do this in spare time. It could be for entertainment. But what was I was really trying get across is that developers tend to fix bugs if other developers point out mistakes. But non techie users they just roll their eyes at and move on. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 13:02, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 10:42, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it In reading the first bug from one end proves exactly my point that developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes. Do you know what a RFE bug is and where they sit on the priority list? Yes I know what Referral For Enhancement is: But did you see all the arguments against the suggestion? with all the arrangements against. there was no chance it would even been looked at. You can actually tell what will get fixed or added just by comments. If there are no comments with a week. or if the vast majority of comments are negative. nothing will be fixed Go look at bugs That have no comments, and those that have mostly negative comments. Now see one with good comment as majority and see for yourself which have been fixed or are being worked on. What do you think is the ratio of RFE's that are implemented to the bugs that are fixed? Taking that list that I posted the link to, how many of those FIXED bugs are RFE's? None? What do you think is the reason? Could the answer be that real BUGS are a lot more important than a wish-list? In fact, a very recent request/wish was made by Timo P in the .devs.thunderbird group. It's being discussed and attended to quite handily and may show up in the next release. Timo is making suggestions and the devs are listening. BTW, Timo is a user. Few if any because they are not taken seriously. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 10:31, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Technically your not a User. You work on Plugins and extensions so you are a developer. I like most people no thing at all about the mechanics. Heck I only just recently learned about what I could CSS. All I know is when I use something what it did or would do, and what not is not doing or can no longer do And Try to explain to the best of my abilities Which most make light of. But its the best I can do. Cripes Phillip!!! Re-read the message, especially the lines ... reported by ... How many of those reporters do you think/know are devs? My guess .. NONE!! I can't make that guess because I don't know first hand the names of any developers other than Phil Chee. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
W3BNR wrote: On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Bug 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get fixed. More of a new feature request than a bug. Only 28 votes and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a duplicate of this one. Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function. NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely called when doing a reply - this not a great job to be done. You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE this why i created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes.' and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is mimimal. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- W3BNR wrote: On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Bug 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get fixed. More of a new feature request than a bug. Only 28 votes and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a duplicate of this one. Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function. NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely called when doing a reply - this not a great job to be done. You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE this why i created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes.' and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is mimimal. If it's minimal than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in their spare time. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- W3BNR wrote: On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Bug 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get fixed. More of a new feature request than a bug. Only 28 votes and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a duplicate of this one. Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function. NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely called when doing a reply - this not a great job to be done. You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE this why i created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes.' and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is mimimal. If it's minimal than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in their spare time. Finally Found the bug I was referring to: mine is 597784 original is: 580442 It has title as described. By some of the contents of some developers its appears to be a deliberate attempt to limit users' abilities to do what they want. now go read both. then come back and say I like to spread stuff around. As I've commented in both I will remain at 2.0.6 until the code its removed, a way to bypass in about:config is figured out, or someone comes up with a hack to turn that code off. also I suggested (I did not say how easy) that to go at it, from users point of view, and put in a Preference to turn off receiving such specific items. That way the people that need it have it, can. Those that don't want to see it, can turn it off. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 20.09.2010 19:34, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 16:09, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- W3BNR wrote: On 9/20/2010 5:05 AM Ray_Net wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Bug 218258 - only 28 votes in 7 years? I don't think it will get fixed. More of a new feature request than a bug. Only 28 votes and you forgot the huge list of bugs closed because a duplicate of this one. Anyhow 'gator' on April 4, 2010, suggested a work-a-round. See comment #61 at the bug page. This should satisfy the few that need the function. NO this doesnot statify the request - In addition the asked thing is already coded in the forward mechanism - this mechanism could be easely called when doing a reply - this not a great job to be done. You speak about the fact that this bug should be an RFE this why i created https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 which is a RFE ... this RFE will stay at it is for another cycle of 7 years or more. As Phillip Jones said: 'developers believe that users can't know what they want, that only developers know what users want. And tend to ignore users wishes.' and i add : Evenwhile if the work to be done is mimimal. If it's minimal than add a comment to your RFE explaining the minimal steps in detail so that programmers reading it will get it and do it in their spare time. Finally Found the bug I was referring to: mine is 597784 original is: 580442 It has title as described. By some of the contents of some developers its appears to be a deliberate attempt to limit users' abilities to do what they want. now go read both. then come back and say I like to spread stuff around. As I've commented in both I will remain at 2.0.6 until the code its removed, a way to bypass in about:config is figured out, or someone comes up with a hack to turn that code off. also I suggested (I did not say how easy) that to go at it, from users point of view, and put in a Preference to turn off receiving such specific items. That way the people that need it have it, can. Those that don't want to see it, can turn it off. They're all against you Phillip, only you. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 04:05, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Could you fix this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218258 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595696 or tell me how can i fix it Both bugs are RFE bugs (Request For Enhancment) and not defects in the application. Don't expect either one to be worked on unless someone decides that they have the time away from fixing bugs. Well, not only that, but, as I read 580442 there are some implied security issues. So, given the few users interested and/or affected? I doubt there's any likelihood this will be addressed. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Even a mosquito doesn't get a slap on the back until it starts to work. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 20.09.2010 10:31, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:20:48 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. You are not looking hard enough. Look harder. I fixed the following bugs: Bug 86400 reported by David Carroll Bug 156734 reported by Jeremy M. Dolan Bug 388349 reported by Ed Bug 395371 reported by arno renevier Bug 414014 reported by Eyal Rozenberg Bug 482433 reported by Chris Wimlett Bug 534248 reported by Aleksej Bug 534322 reported by Kevin Brosnan Actually I fixed more but I got bored searching through bugzilla. Phil Technically your not a User. You work on Plugins and extensions so you are a developer. I like most people no thing at all about the mechanics. Heck I only just recently learned about what I could CSS. All I know is when I use something what it did or would do, and what not is not doing or can no longer do And Try to explain to the best of my abilities Which most make light of. But its the best I can do. Cripes Phillip!!! Re-read the message, especially the lines ... reported by ... How many of those reporters do you think/know are devs? My guess .. NONE!! I can't make that guess because I don't know first hand the names of any developers other than Phil Chee. Umm, then, Phillip, perhaps you ought to refrain from making claims about devs and their motivations? -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ A flashlight is a case for holding dead batteries. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 10-09-17 1:35 AM, Ubiquity wrote: Oh Phillip, don't you just love it! No Phillip, you're not dumb, you're not stupid, or you're not an idiot. You know what you're talking about, but the so-called experts sure don't. To everyone else: Compose a new message, in html. Now, click on Insert, HTML, and put the following script in the box: iframe marginheight=0 marginwidth=0 src=http://newmail.monsterserve.com/keepout/movies/zip.wav; type=audio/x-mpeg frameborder=0 height=16 width=144/iframe then click on the insert button, save the message, then go into your drafts folder, click on the message, then click on View, Message Source, and tell me what happened to the html that you just put in. Phillip, I think everyone owes you an apology, especially those so-called experts. Oh, by the way, in order to see what Phillip is talking about, make sure you're using the newest seamonkey or thunderbird for this testing. Thanks Ubiquity. Other than a bug number, that's the info we've been asking for (what sanitizer). The pref Phillip cited is for the View--Message_Body_As--Simple_HTML setting. The change in SeaMonkey 2.0.7 is likely the result a security fix to Gecko, but without bug numbers, I can't be sure. http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/seamonkey20.html#seamonkey2.0.7 It would be best to ask in mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey about whether or not the change affected SeaMonkey mail composition intentionally or not. Finally, no-one called Phillip dumb, or stupid, or an idiot, just like no-one called him a crackpot. What I said is that he has a tendency to spread misinformation. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca List-owner: support-firefox, support-thunderbird, test-multimedia ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 02:23:37 -0400, Chris Ilias wrote: It would be best to ask in mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey about whether or not the change affected SeaMonkey mail composition intentionally or not. We share the same backend mailnews code with Thunderbird and the backend html code with firefox, so the first step is to ask in mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird instead since we would just refer you there in any case. Finally, no-one called Phillip dumb, or stupid, or an idiot, just like no-one called him a crackpot. What I said is that he has a tendency to spread misinformation. I think it's in the subtext. You don't have to be a deconstructionist in order to notice that. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-09-17 1:35 AM, Ubiquity wrote: Oh Phillip, don't you just love it! No Phillip, you're not dumb, you're not stupid, or you're not an idiot. You know what you're talking about, but the so-called experts sure don't. To everyone else: Compose a new message, in html. Now, click on Insert, HTML, and put the following script in the box: iframe marginheight=0 marginwidth=0 src=http://newmail.monsterserve.com/keepout/movies/zip.wav; type=audio/x-mpeg frameborder=0 height=16 width=144/iframe then click on the insert button, save the message, then go into your drafts folder, click on the message, then click on View, Message Source, and tell me what happened to the html that you just put in. Phillip, I think everyone owes you an apology, especially those so-called experts. Oh, by the way, in order to see what Phillip is talking about, make sure you're using the newest seamonkey or thunderbird for this testing. Thanks Ubiquity. Other than a bug number, that's the info we've been asking for (what sanitizer). The pref Phillip cited is for the View--Message_Body_As--Simple_HTML setting. The change in SeaMonkey 2.0.7 is likely the result a security fix to Gecko, but without bug numbers, I can't be sure. http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/seamonkey20.html#seamonkey2.0.7 It would be best to ask in mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey about whether or not the change affected SeaMonkey mail composition intentionally or not. Finally, no-one called Phillip dumb, or stupid, or an idiot, just like no-one called him a crackpot. What I said is that he has a tendency to spread misinformation. Okay I reported the following bug and waiting for someone to reply as a duplicate of Bug number :? here is my bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=597784 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 02:23:37 -0400, Chris Ilias wrote: It would be best to ask in mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey about whether or not the change affected SeaMonkey mail composition intentionally or not. We share the same backend mailnews code with Thunderbird and the backend html code with firefox, so the first step is to ask in mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird instead since we would just refer you there in any case. Finally, no-one called Phillip dumb, or stupid, or an idiot, just like no-one called him a crackpot. What I said is that he has a tendency to spread misinformation. I think it's in the subtext. You don't have to be a deconstructionist in order to notice that. Phil I don't spread disinformation intentional and *for most part never*. ( Won't say I never have) It just what I report is people are not interested in investigating. Possibly because I am not a developer. Developers never take bugs that users find as serious. They have the attitude of what the h... does a dumb a... user know about anything. We designed it the way it was supposed to work. ne when a another developer comes a along hey fix this does anything get done. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 19.09.2010 08:29, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Developers never take bugs that users find as serious. They have the attitude of what the h... does a dumb a... user know about anything. We designed it the way it was supposed to work. ne when a another developer comes a along hey fix this does anything get done. That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
Jay Garcia wrote: On 19.09.2010 08:29, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Developers never take bugs that users find as serious. They have the attitude of what the h... does a dumb a... user know about anything. We designed it the way it was supposed to work. only when a another developer comes a along, hey fix this, does anything get done. That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. Heck I just requested two bugs of mine be closed this week, because of inaction. One had my report and one comment. No one had even investigated. The person commenting on it a few days ago was asking whether I still had the problem? I submitted the bug in 2006. There was not so much as anyone commenting at the time, your report has been noted or anything. Yet at the time it was a common bug. I don't expect anything even recognition of my latest bug. I just don't have any faith in the system. It useless to report bugs. And BTW, the comments you quoted is *not information* its my *opinion* based on my experience with the system. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net/ mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 19.09.2010 09:20, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 19.09.2010 08:29, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Developers never take bugs that users find as serious. They have the attitude of what the h... does a dumb a... user know about anything. We designed it the way it was supposed to work. only when a another developer comes a along, hey fix this, does anything get done. That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. How many hundreds would you like me/anyone to list? Several of mine have been addressed and fixed and I am NOT a dev. Heck I just requested two bugs of mine be closed this week, because of inaction. One had my report and one comment. No one had even investigated. The person commenting on it a few days ago was asking whether I still had the problem? I submitted the bug in 2006. There was not so much as anyone commenting at the time, your report has been noted or anything. Yet at the time it was a common bug. I don't expect anything even recognition of my latest bug. I just don't have any faith in the system. It useless to report bugs. And BTW, the comments you quoted is *not information* its my *opinion* based on my experience with the system. There are many cases where bugs are filed that have already been fixed or the fix is included in the next release. Sometimes the devs just don't have the time to comment on every bug entered, etc. Or maybe they just don't like you!! And how is your paranoia doing today? :-) -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 9/19/10 7:20 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 19.09.2010 08:29, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Developers never take bugs that users find as serious. They have the attitude of what the h... does a dumb a... user know about anything. We designed it the way it was supposed to work. only when a another developer comes a along, hey fix this, does anything get done. That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. Heck I just requested two bugs of mine be closed this week, because of inaction. One had my report and one comment. No one had even investigated. The person commenting on it a few days ago was asking whether I still had the problem? I submitted the bug in 2006. There was not so much as anyone commenting at the time, your report has been noted or anything. Yet at the time it was a common bug. I don't expect anything even recognition of my latest bug. I just don't have any faith in the system. It useless to report bugs. And BTW, the comments you quoted is *not information* its my *opinion* based on my experience with the system. Since 2003, I have submitted 246 bug reports. * 25 have been fixed. * 18 were closed as Works for me, some of which I closed myself when I could no longer recreate the problem. * 57 were closed as duplicates of other bug reports. 21 of those others have been closed as either fixed or Works for me. * Of the 94 that are still open, 31 are requests for enhancements (RFEs) and thus are not software discrepancies. * Of the 94 that are still open, another 21 involve Web sites that are sniffing for Firefox instead of Gecko. These are bugs in the affected Web sites, not in any Mozilla-based product. * Of the 94 of my bug reports that are still open, 40 reflect actual software discrepancies. No, I'm not a developer. I'm a interested user who used to be a software test engineer (not for Mozilla). -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On 19.09.2010 10:59, Jay Garcia wrote: --- Original Message --- On 19.09.2010 09:20, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Jay Garcia wrote: On 19.09.2010 08:29, Phillip Jones wrote: --- Original Message --- Developers never take bugs that users find as serious. They have the attitude of what the h... does a dumb a... user know about anything. We designed it the way it was supposed to work. only when a another developer comes a along, hey fix this, does anything get done. That is not true, please stop spreading misinformation. I've never seen a case where developers corrected a bug a user found. How many hundreds would you like me/anyone to list? Several of mine have been addressed and fixed and I am NOT a dev. Heck I just requested two bugs of mine be closed this week, because of inaction. One had my report and one comment. No one had even investigated. The person commenting on it a few days ago was asking whether I still had the problem? I submitted the bug in 2006. There was not so much as anyone commenting at the time, your report has been noted or anything. Yet at the time it was a common bug. I don't expect anything even recognition of my latest bug. I just don't have any faith in the system. It useless to report bugs. And BTW, the comments you quoted is *not information* its my *opinion* based on my experience with the system. There are many cases where bugs are filed that have already been fixed or the fix is included in the next release. Sometimes the devs just don't have the time to comment on every bug entered, etc. Or maybe they just don't like you!! And how is your paranoia doing today? :-) Well here ya go Phillip, a complete list of bug fixes for TB 3 .. I'm sure you can look at each one and determine if they were entered by a user or a dev .. have fun, let us know. http://www.rumblingedge.com/2009/02/26/thunderbird-3-beta-2-released/ -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
