SeaMonkey Help: 'Privatsphären-Funktionen verwenden → Datenschutz & Sicherheit' - Validierung-link leads to nowhere

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Hi,

Batchu Venkat Vishal started to fix some bugs in German Help, for 
example in above mentioned Bug 
.


Currently his problem is that he would need to run a SM 2.5 or similar 
on Linux to compare current Help files with older wones, but it seems 
impossible to get such a seaMonkey 2.5 running on UBUNTU 



Can somebody help (in the Bug Report)?

Best Regards

Rainer Bielefeld
(SeaMonkey QA volunteer)
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Re: SeaMonkey HELP(aka F1) needs help

[Richard Owlett]

IJens Hatlak wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

Where is the help system described/documented.


Err, I don't think we have a place for documenting the
documentation. ;-) The place where the documentation itself, i.e.
the sources of Help, live, is here:

http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/find?text=string=chrome%2Fcommon%2Fhelp


My question was poorly phrased, but you got me looking in a 
useful, if unexpected, direction. I had expected to be pointed to 
a file on my machine.


I still have questions on the search function.
It's not a full text search - a good thing. [My test was to enter 
a random word, known to exist in text, in search box. The test 
words were presumed to be low frequency of occurrence but not 
likely to be chosen as keywords. They got no hits.]

How do words be come targets for the search function?




As you can see, it's mostly XHTML files, IOW HTML plus some
syntactic sugar; boils down to mostly plain text.

Note that the link I provided is only for viewing the files in
question; editing them is another story. Basically you'll need to
have some free local space and follow some steps and you'll be
good to go.


Having a nearly empty TB drive, I've lots of space.
The *.xhtml files at 
http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/locales/en-US/chrome/common/help/ 
gives me the content I was looking for.


What can I download to create a local testbed?
Or does practicality indicate I should confine myself to the 
individual xhtml files above?


TIA




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Re: SeaMonkey HELP(aka F1) needs help

[Richard Owlett]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

My question was poorly phrased, but you got me looking in a
useful, if
unexpected, direction. I had expected to be pointed to a file
on my
machine.


On your local machine, the mentioned files are contained in a
file called omni.ja inside your SM application directory. If you
copy it somewhere else and rename it to omni.zip, Windows should
be able to open it (other tools like current stable 7zip cannot,
though). Inside it, the path is
chrome\en-US\locale\en-US\communicator\help.


How do words be come targets for the search function?


AFAICT anything in the mentioned RDF files that's inside an
nc:name attribute gets added as a possible target. I didn't
actually check the code, though.


What can I download to create a local testbed?


For actual development you'd need a (minimal) copy of the source
code. For starters:
1. Download and install
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/libraries/win32/MozillaBuildSetup-Latest.exe

2. Launch MozillaBuild command line
3. Enter hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/; (without
quotes) and hit Enter
4. Enter explorer comm-central (again without quotes) and hit
Enter
5. Navigate to suite\locales\en-US\chrome\common\help.


Or does practicality indicate I should confine myself to the
individual
xhtml files above?


Back in the days before omni.ja I would have advised you to just
change the files of the local installation for testing purposes.
But since omni.ja is not a proper ZIP file, that's not a method I
would still recommend. However, if you're a little adventureous,
you may give it a try - only on a complete, independent copy of
your SM application directory of course. I recommend to use a
test profile with that and start SM with parameters -P
-purgecaches (show Profile Manager; skip application file caching).

HTH

Jens



Thank you. As I'm on dialup, it will have to wait until I get to 
the library to use their high speed connection.


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Re: SeaMonkey HELP(aka F1) needs help

[Philip Chee]

On 24/05/2013 01:51, Richard Owlett wrote:
 IJens Hatlak wrote:

 I still have questions on the search function.
 It's not a full text search - a good thing. [My test was to enter 
 a random word, known to exist in text, in search box. The test 
 words were presumed to be low frequency of occurrence but not 
 likely to be chosen as keywords. They got no hits.]
 How do words be come targets for the search function?

 As you can see, it's mostly XHTML files, IOW HTML plus some
 syntactic sugar; boils down to mostly plain text.

 Note that the link I provided is only for viewing the files in
 question; editing them is another story. Basically you'll need to
 have some free local space and follow some steps and you'll be
 good to go.

 Having a nearly empty TB drive, I've lots of space.
 The *.xhtml files at 
 http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/locales/en-US/chrome/common/help/
  
 gives me the content I was looking for.
 
 What can I download to create a local testbed?
 Or does practicality indicate I should confine myself to the 
 individual xhtml files above?

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The source code is available either as a tar package or from the source
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* Source Code Tarball (bzip, 83 MB) - note that it doesn't unpack a
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* The README file explains how to pull SeaMonkey 2.17.1 from the
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The above should get you started.

Phil

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Re: SeaMonkey HELP(aka F1) needs help

[Jens Hatlak]

Ray_Net wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote, On 23/05/2013 22:16:

On your local machine, the mentioned files are contained in a file
called omni.ja inside your SM application directory. If you copy it
somewhere else and rename it to omni.zip, Windows should be able to
open it (other tools like current stable 7zip cannot, though). Inside
it, the path is chrome\en-US\locale\en-US\communicator\help.

I am able to open it with my 7zip manager.


Maybe you have an alpha or beta version installed; I referred to the 
latest *stable* version which is 9.20, and with that I could not open it.


Greetings,

Jens

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Re: SeaMonkey HELP(aka F1) needs help

[Ray_Net]

Jens Hatlak wrote, On 23/05/2013 22:16:

Richard Owlett wrote:

My question was poorly phrased, but you got me looking in a useful, if
unexpected, direction. I had expected to be pointed to a file on my
machine.


On your local machine, the mentioned files are contained in a file 
called omni.ja inside your SM application directory. If you copy it 
somewhere else and rename it to omni.zip, Windows should be able to 
open it (other tools like current stable 7zip cannot, though). Inside 
it, the path is chrome\en-US\locale\en-US\communicator\help.

I am able to open it with my 7zip manager.
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Re: SeaMonkey HELP(aka F1) needs help

[Jens Hatlak]

Richard Owlett wrote:

My question was poorly phrased, but you got me looking in a useful, if
unexpected, direction. I had expected to be pointed to a file on my
machine.


On your local machine, the mentioned files are contained in a file 
called omni.ja inside your SM application directory. If you copy it 
somewhere else and rename it to omni.zip, Windows should be able to open 
it (other tools like current stable 7zip cannot, though). Inside it, the 
path is chrome\en-US\locale\en-US\communicator\help.



How do words be come targets for the search function?


AFAICT anything in the mentioned RDF files that's inside an nc:name 
attribute gets added as a possible target. I didn't actually check the 
code, though.



What can I download to create a local testbed?


For actual development you'd need a (minimal) copy of the source code. 
For starters:
1. Download and install 
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/libraries/win32/MozillaBuildSetup-Latest.exe

2. Launch MozillaBuild command line
3. Enter hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/; (without quotes) 
and hit Enter

4. Enter explorer comm-central (again without quotes) and hit Enter
5. Navigate to suite\locales\en-US\chrome\common\help.


Or does practicality indicate I should confine myself to the individual
xhtml files above?


Back in the days before omni.ja I would have advised you to just change 
the files of the local installation for testing purposes. But since 
omni.ja is not a proper ZIP file, that's not a method I would still 
recommend. However, if you're a little adventureous, you may give it a 
try - only on a complete, independent copy of your SM application 
directory of course. I recommend to use a test profile with that and 
start SM with parameters -P -purgecaches (show Profile Manager; skip 
application file caching).


HTH

Jens

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Re: SeaMonkey HELP(aka F1) needs help

[Ray_Net]

Jens Hatlak wrote, On 25/05/2013 00:07:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 24/05/2013 16:40, Jens Hatlak told the world:

Maybe you have an alpha or beta version installed; I referred to the
latest *stable* version which is 9.20, and with that I could not 
open it.


I think there might be something wrong with your 7zip setup, Jens. I
have the 9.20 version too, and mind opens the omni.ja with no problems.


Actually I tested with the omni.ja from SM 2.18b4. I now see that the 
one from 2.17 (or 2.17.1?) works with 7zip stable.


So the problem in in SM 2.18 ... :-) Don't expect a correction ... 
because a well accepted bug like 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=776096 IS NOT RESOLVED - 
because the duplicated one 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674247 will stay forever 
... until perhaps the year 2035 :-)


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Re: SeaMonkey HELP(aka F1) needs help

[Wolfgang Steger]

Ed Mullen schrieb:
[...]
 But woefully inadequate and inferior to 90+% of the Windows programs I have.
 
 It would be really nice if someone would port it, first of all, to a 
 .chm file, the standard Windows' Help file format.  I detest HTML-based 
 help files.
 

As SeaMonkey is a truly multiplatform program, this would eliminate the
Linux users (like me) and probably also the Mac users.

And I guess if the current version is not maintained much, no one would
do this for two different versions.

Just my 2cc, Wolfgang

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Re: SeaMonkey HELP(aka F1) needs help

[Jens Hatlak]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 24/05/2013 16:40, Jens Hatlak told the world:

Maybe you have an alpha or beta version installed; I referred to the
latest *stable* version which is 9.20, and with that I could not open it.


I think there might be something wrong with your 7zip setup, Jens. I
have the 9.20 version too, and mind opens the omni.ja with no problems.


Actually I tested with the omni.ja from SM 2.18b4. I now see that the 
one from 2.17 (or 2.17.1?) works with 7zip stable.


Greetings,

Jens

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Re: SeaMonkey HELP(aka F1) needs help

[Richard Owlett]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

My question was poorly phrased, but you got me looking in a
useful, if
unexpected, direction. I had expected to be pointed to a file
on my
machine.


On your local machine, the mentioned files are contained in a
file called omni.ja inside your SM application directory. If you
copy it somewhere else and rename it to omni.zip, Windows should
be able to open it (other tools like current stable 7zip cannot,
though). Inside it, the path is
chrome\en-US\locale\en-US\communicator\help.


Unzipped it and started browsing. I'm having questions answered 
that I hadn't thought to ask and I'm getting a lot of the lay of 
the land so to speak.





How do words be come targets for the search function?


AFAICT anything in the mentioned RDF files that's inside an
nc:name attribute gets added as a possible target. I didn't
actually check the code, though.


What can I download to create a local testbed?


For actual development you'd need a (minimal) copy of the source
code. For starters: [SNIP]


Your suggestions there lead in a direction I'd rather not go.




Or does practicality indicate I should confine myself to the
individual
xhtml files above?


Back in the days before omni.ja I would have advised you to just
change the files of the local installation for testing purposes.
But since omni.ja is not a proper ZIP file, that's not a method I
would still recommend. However, if you're a little adventureous,
you may give it a try - only on a complete, independent copy of
your SM application directory of course. I recommend to use a
test profile with that and start SM with parameters -P
-purgecaches (show Profile Manager; skip application file caching).



I'm adventurous - though friends use other adjectives ;)
You said omni.ja is not quite a proper ZIP file. What tool would 
I use recompress after tweaking my way? I've got a second Windows 
machine whose justification is being a test bed.


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Re: SeaMonkey HELP(aka F1) needs help

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 24/05/2013 16:40, Jens Hatlak told the world:

 Maybe you have an alpha or beta version installed; I referred to the 
 latest *stable* version which is 9.20, and with that I could not open it.

I think there might be something wrong with your 7zip setup, Jens. I
have the 9.20 version too, and mind opens the omni.ja with no problems.

(By the way, the beta version of WinRAR has an updated RAR file
format; so I expect as soon as it goes gold, most archiver utilities
will have be be updated to include the new unrar library...)

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SeaMonkey HELP(aka F1) needs help

[Richard Owlett]

F1 rarely gives me what I'm looking for ;/
I've been forcibly retired.
That could be a good thing - I've time on my hands.
Where is the help system described/documented.
I'd like to make an attempt at making it 'better'.

IOW tell me where to go...

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Re: SeaMonkey HELP(aka F1) needs help

[Richard Owlett]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/21/13 6:24 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

F1 rarely gives me what I'm looking for ;/
I've been forcibly retired.
That could be a good thing - I've time on my hands.
Where is the help system described/documented.
I'd like to make an attempt at making it 'better'.

IOW tell me where to go...



I think the SeaMonkey Help capability is far superior to what is
available with Thunderbird.



But I issued invitation to tell me where to go ;/
I'm so *OLD* that I predate if you're not part of solution ...

Chuckles aside, I wish to help a good product be better.

How and where is help text stored?
How does its search function operate?

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Re: SeaMonkey HELP(aka F1) needs help

[David E. Ross]

On 5/21/13 6:24 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
 F1 rarely gives me what I'm looking for ;/
 I've been forcibly retired.
 That could be a good thing - I've time on my hands.
 Where is the help system described/documented.
 I'd like to make an attempt at making it 'better'.
 
 IOW tell me where to go...
 

I think the SeaMonkey Help capability is far superior to what is
available with Thunderbird.


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Re: SeaMonkey HELP(aka F1) needs help

[Jim Taylor]

Richard Owlett wrote:

F1 rarely gives me what I'm looking for ;/
I've been forcibly retired.
That could be a good thing - I've time on my hands.
Where is the help system described/documented.
I'd like to make an attempt at making it 'better'.

IOW tell me where to go...



As no one has answered here a better place to ask may be 
mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey .  Or in the IRC channel #SeaMonkey.


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Re: SeaMonkey HELP(aka F1) needs help

[Jens Hatlak]

Richard Owlett wrote:

Where is the help system described/documented.


Err, I don't think we have a place for documenting the documentation. 
;-) The place where the documentation itself, i.e. the sources of Help, 
live, is here:


http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/find?text=string=chrome%2Fcommon%2Fhelp

As you can see, it's mostly XHTML files, IOW HTML plus some syntactic 
sugar; boils down to mostly plain text.


Note that the link I provided is only for viewing the files in question; 
editing them is another story. Basically you'll need to have some free 
local space and follow some steps and you'll be good to go.



I'd like to make an attempt at making it 'better'.

IOW tell me where to go...


The place for making Help better is the same as for pretty much any 
other component of SeaMonkey: Bugzilla:


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=%3Aseamonkey%20%3Ahelp

If you see something that interests you, we can guide you through the 
rest. Note however that Bugzilla is not the place where to discuss how 
to get started. This should be done here or on IRC.


HTH

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Re: SeaMonkey HELP(aka F1) needs help

[Jens Hatlak]

Richard Owlett wrote:

How and where is help text stored?


I just gave an answer to that question in my other posting.


How does its search function operate?


IIRC it's using a combination of the contents of help-index1.rdf and 
suite-toc.rdf.


HTH

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Need General SeaMonkey Help

[Lori]

so I won't be forced to go to Outlook.

Is there a fee-for-services source or some place where a nontechie can get help?

Mail is in overload and I lost 1-1/2 months of messages from the inbox.

Need to learn archiving, basically. and no time for culling/cleanup.

Lori
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Re: Need General SeaMonkey Help

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Lori wrote:


so I won't be forced to go to Outlook.

Is there a fee-for-services source or some place where a nontechie can
get help?

Mail is in overload and I lost 1-1/2 months of messages from the inbox.

Need to learn archiving, basically. and no time for culling/cleanup.


You don't need to pay; people here will be happy to help you for free.

But you need to ask a better question:

Precisely what happened? What did you do and how did the program 
respond? Any error messages? When did this happen? Was it with a 
previous version of SM or your current version (2.12.1)? Had you 
recently installed/upgraded SM or any add-ons or extensions? What have 
you tried in your efforts to solve the problem, and what were the results?


The more information you provide, the easier it will be for people to 
help. And believe me, they will work very hard if you let them.


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Seamonkey help- check for update fails.

[Warren Crossing]

GET 
http://stage-old.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.6.1-candidates/build1/update/linux-x86_64/en-US/seamonkey-2.6.1.complete.mar 
HTTP/1.1

Host: stage-old.mozilla.org
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; 
WOW32; Trident/5.0)

Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
Proxy-Connection: keep-alive

HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
Via: 1.1 OJTTMG02
Connection: Keep-Alive
Proxy-Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Length: 314
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 06:26:55 GMT
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Server: Apache
X-Backend-Server: ftp2.dmz.scl3.mozilla.com

!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN
htmlhead
title403 Forbidden/title
/headbody
h1Forbidden/h1
pYou don't have permission to access 
/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.6.1-candidates/build1/update/linux-x86_64/en-US/seamonkey-2.6.1.complete.mar

on this server./p
/body/html
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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back�with screencasts!

[Desiree]

Chris Ilias n...@ilias.ca wrote in message 
news:dk-dnsb-39vseohsnz2dnuvz_vodn...@mozilla.org...
 On 12-04-04 7:05 AM, Desiree wrote:
 Chris Iliasn...@ilias.ca  wrote in message
 news:n6-dnelbeqww2obsnz2dnuvz_oodn...@mozilla.org...
 There should be a play icon embedded over top of the image. If you click
 on the image, the screencast should start. Does the play icon not 
 appear?
 If it doesn't appear, does clicking on the image still start the
 screencast?

 To get it to start, I have to click on the tiny icon in the bottom left
 corner of the screen. That is obscured until I mouse over it and way to
 small to see what those icons stand for. But when I figured out how to do
 it, it worked fine.

 The controls are actually provided by your browser (in this case, 
 SeaMonkey). The next planned release of SeaMonkey (for later this month) 
 actually has changes that greatly improve HTML video controls.
 http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.9/
 HTML5 videos that do not start automatically show a large play button 
 now.

That is good to know.

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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back�with screencasts!

[Desiree]

Chris Ilias n...@ilias.ca wrote in message 
news:dk-dnsb-39vseohsnz2dnuvz_vodn...@mozilla.org...
 On 12-04-04 7:05 AM, Desiree wrote:
 Chris Iliasn...@ilias.ca  wrote in message
 news:n6-dnelbeqww2obsnz2dnuvz_oodn...@mozilla.org...
 There should be a play icon embedded over top of the image. If you click
 on the image, the screencast should start. Does the play icon not 
 appear?
 If it doesn't appear, does clicking on the image still start the
 screencast?

 To get it to start, I have to click on the tiny icon in the bottom left
 corner of the screen. That is obscured until I mouse over it and way to
 small to see what those icons stand for. But when I figured out how to do
 it, it worked fine.

 The controls are actually provided by your browser (in this case, 
 SeaMonkey). The next planned release of SeaMonkey (for later this month) 
 actually has changes that greatly improve HTML video controls.
 http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.9/
 HTML5 videos that do not start automatically show a large play button 
 now.

Just wanted to comment further that your site should explain all this. Many 
of us will NOT be upgrading SM, or any other browser, for a variety of 
reasons. (1) I refuse to use a browser that will automatically play embedded 
video (althugh I suppose I can disable it about:config but why not just use 
a better browser version that avoids the crap)? I don't think currently that 
the proxomitron will stop this but I am sure we will have a filter when this 
becomes widespread (as we have long had a toggle switch for Flash so 99.9% 
of Flash is never played and certainly never any with ads). HTML5 is poised 
to become even  more vicious and nasty than Flash ever was.

(2) I just looked into upgrading 2.6 SM to 2.8. I will not do so because my 
extensions will not work. My extensions working is far more important than 
what version of SM I use. Besides, the ONLY reason I started using SM again 
was because it did not seem to be going insane like Fx with constant 
updates.  But now I have Fx 10 Enterprise (on a guest machine) and will stay 
with it probably long beyond the official year. I didn't upgrade from Fx 1.5 
until March 2011 on the host and still use Fx 4 on my host machine.  Not 
everyone blindly believes the latest is the greatest.

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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Daniel]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-04-03 5:47 AM, Desiree wrote:

Chris Iliasn...@ilias.ca wrote in message
news:dp-dncopijhenefsnz2dnuvz_gqdn...@mozilla.org...


_What reasons could be for a blank page at seamonkey.ilias.ca_
Maybe it's because the search box uses an iframe? If you go to a page
that
doesn't have a search box, likehttp://seamonkey.ilias.ca/installing/,
do you still get a blank page?


The above page is fine. I also am not getting a blank page now at
seamonkey.ilias.ca. Your site though is very inconsistent for me. For
instance, in the column on the left, if I click on any question under FAQ
Browser, I get a screenshot that says Welcome to SeaMonkey and nothing
else.
I get the same screenshot on ALL questions under Browser. Under FAQ
Profiles, I get text only answers, no screenshots. Under FAQ General,
I get
a different screenshot that says Welcome to SM Mail and Newsgroups on
every
question. But under Documentation, Upgrading I actually get useful
screenshots and text. I have not checked every page on your site but
you get
the idea.


What you're seeing is the screencast start image. For instance, if you
go to http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/browserfaq/WebFeeds, which is in the
browser FAQ, the image you see should not be Welcome to SeaMonkey, but
of CNN World.

There should be a play icon embedded over top of the image. If you click
on the image, the screencast should start. Does the play icon not
appear? If it doesn't appear, does clicking on the image still start the
screencast?



Chris, I had to click on the screen to get it moving...had no sound 
though!!


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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back�with screencasts!

[Desiree]

Chris Ilias n...@ilias.ca wrote in message 
news:n6-dnelbeqww2obsnz2dnuvz_oodn...@mozilla.org...
 On 12-04-03 5:47 AM, Desiree wrote:
 Chris Iliasn...@ilias.ca  wrote in message
 news:dp-dncopijhenefsnz2dnuvz_gqdn...@mozilla.org...

 _What reasons could be for a blank page at seamonkey.ilias.ca_
 Maybe it's because the search box uses an iframe? If you go to a page 
 that
 doesn't have a search box, likehttp://seamonkey.ilias.ca/installing/,
 do you still get a blank page?

 The above page is fine.  I also am not getting a blank page now at
 seamonkey.ilias.ca. Your site though is very inconsistent for me. For
 instance, in the column on the left, if I click on any question under FAQ
 Browser, I get a screenshot that says Welcome to SeaMonkey and nothing 
 else.
 I get the same screenshot on ALL questions under Browser. Under FAQ
 Profiles, I get text only answers, no screenshots. Under FAQ General, I 
 get
 a different screenshot that says Welcome to SM Mail and Newsgroups on 
 every
 question. But under Documentation, Upgrading I actually get useful
 screenshots and text. I have not checked every page on your site but you 
 get
 the idea.

 What you're seeing is the screencast start image. For instance, if you go 
 to http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/browserfaq/WebFeeds, which is in the 
 browser FAQ, the image you see should not be Welcome to SeaMonkey, but 
 of CNN World.

AhhI did see the CNN World.

 There should be a play icon embedded over top of the image. If you click 
 on the image, the screencast should start. Does the play icon not appear? 
 If it doesn't appear, does clicking on the image still start the 
 screencast?

To get it to start, I have to click on the tiny icon in the bottom left 
corner of the screen. That is obscured until I mouse over it and way to 
small to see what those icons stand for. But when I figured out how to do 
it, it worked fine.

Audio I think is ok. I am hearing a song from a windows theme with your 
voice super imposed. I have spent hours trying to get rid of that song as it 
plays anytime I turn the speakers on but I usually do not have my speakers 
on (except when I want to listen to music files) so it doesn't bother me. (I 
can eventually get rid of it but it comes back...old computer...soon I will 
have a nice shiny, new one).

I did not see any play icon. Nor would I have known there was audio except I 
read Daniel's message so I knew to turn on my speakers.

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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Daniel]

Desiree wrote:

Chris Iliasn...@ilias.ca  wrote in message
news:n6-dnelbeqww2obsnz2dnuvz_oodn...@mozilla.org...

On 12-04-03 5:47 AM, Desiree wrote:

Chris Iliasn...@ilias.ca   wrote in message
news:dp-dncopijhenefsnz2dnuvz_gqdn...@mozilla.org...


_What reasons could be for a blank page at seamonkey.ilias.ca_
Maybe it's because the search box uses an iframe? If you go to a page
that
doesn't have a search box, likehttp://seamonkey.ilias.ca/installing/,
do you still get a blank page?


The above page is fine.  I also am not getting a blank page now at
seamonkey.ilias.ca. Your site though is very inconsistent for me. For
instance, in the column on the left, if I click on any question under FAQ
Browser, I get a screenshot that says Welcome to SeaMonkey and nothing
else.
I get the same screenshot on ALL questions under Browser. Under FAQ
Profiles, I get text only answers, no screenshots. Under FAQ General, I
get
a different screenshot that says Welcome to SM Mail and Newsgroups on
every
question. But under Documentation, Upgrading I actually get useful
screenshots and text. I have not checked every page on your site but you
get
the idea.


What you're seeing is the screencast start image. For instance, if you go
tohttp://seamonkey.ilias.ca/browserfaq/WebFeeds, which is in the
browser FAQ, the image you see should not be Welcome to SeaMonkey, but
of CNN World.


AhhI did see the CNN World.


There should be a play icon embedded over top of the image. If you click
on the image, the screencast should start. Does the play icon not appear?
If it doesn't appear, does clicking on the image still start the
screencast?


To get it to start, I have to click on the tiny icon in the bottom left
corner of the screen. That is obscured until I mouse over it and way to
small to see what those icons stand for. But when I figured out how to do
it, it worked fine.

Audio I think is ok. I am hearing a song from a windows theme with your
voice super imposed. I have spent hours trying to get rid of that song as it
plays anytime I turn the speakers on but I usually do not have my speakers
on (except when I want to listen to music files) so it doesn't bother me. (I
can eventually get rid of it but it comes back...old computer...soon I will
have a nice shiny, new one).

I did not see any play icon. Nor would I have known there was audio except I
read Daniel's message so I knew to turn on my speakers.


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and now I've clicked the link and I have sound, no windows theme, 
just a guy explaining what's going on.


Must check what's up with my Linux SM sound!!

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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-04-04 7:05 AM, Desiree wrote:

Chris Iliasn...@ilias.ca  wrote in message
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There should be a play icon embedded over top of the image. If you click
on the image, the screencast should start. Does the play icon not appear?
If it doesn't appear, does clicking on the image still start the
screencast?


To get it to start, I have to click on the tiny icon in the bottom left
corner of the screen. That is obscured until I mouse over it and way to
small to see what those icons stand for. But when I figured out how to do
it, it worked fine.


The controls are actually provided by your browser (in this case, 
SeaMonkey). The next planned release of SeaMonkey (for later this month) 
actually has changes that greatly improve HTML video controls.

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.9/
HTML5 videos that do not start automatically show a large play button now.

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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back�with screencasts!

[Desiree]

Chris Ilias n...@ilias.ca wrote in message 
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 On 12-04-02 5:45 AM, Desiree wrote:
 I just get a blank page when going to your site both in Fx 10 Enterprise 
 and
 SM 2.6.1 on two different computers both running XP Pro. Mozilla in its
 wisdom saw fit to blacklist my video driver which does HTML5 just fine 
 on
 Opera and had passed all Mozilla tests for HTML5 until Mozilla decided to
 blacklist it and then, of course, the HTML5 tests no longer worked. I 
 have
 zero interest in updating my video driver. I like the version I use and 
 have
 specific reasons for why I use this version of nVidia nForce driver.  I
 would never have blamed Mozilla if my video driver caused Fx or SM to 
 crash
 so I don't think Mozilla should arbitrarily placed video drivers older 
 than
 the date they chose on a black list as some very old drivers work fine 
 with
 HTML5 yet Mozilla put them on the black list. (I didn't blame Mozilla 
 when
 Fx4 was crashing constantly a year ago and it turned out to be nVidia's
 nView that I love greatly but I had to disable it forever if I wanted to 
 use
 Fx4 and above. I lost 50% of the functionality of my video card just to 
 be
 able to use Fx4 but I didn't blame Mozilla so I certainly would not have
 blamed Mozilla if my video driver had problems with HTML5 on Fx or SM. 
 Thus,
 I don't think Mozilla should have placed any video card driver versions 
 on a
 black list.

 So, I can't use your help site unless I use Opera there which sort of
 defeats the purpose. When I get a new computer (waiting for OEMs to get 
 Ivy
 Bridge processors) I guess the issue will be moot on the new computer. I
 think it is a shame you chose to make video only as I can't learn that 
 way.
 I am a reader not a movie watcher. I want a help site to have text and
 screenshots. I rarely use Flash Player and don't even have it installed
 except on IE for my ISP's speed test but otherwise I don't want FP and 
 HTML5
 is probably going to be even worse than FP as far as never ending 
 security
 issues go and privacy invasion for the user so I disagree strongly with 
 your
 decision to make your help site HTML5 dependent.

 Whoa! You're making incorrect assumptions based on incorrect assumptions. 
 So let's back up a bit, explain what driver blacklisting is, and figure 
 out the /real/ reason you can't access HTML5 sites.


 _What does graphics driver blacklisting do_
 SeaMonkey (as well as some plugins) have a feature called hardware 
 acceleration, in which your graphics processor is used for drawing 
 operations. There's also a web standard called WebGL, in javascript is 
 used to render 3d graphics in web browsers. If your graphics driver is 
 known to cause problems with hardware acceleration or webgl, SeaMonkey 
 will disable hardware acceleration and webgl on your installation.

I stand corrected. I hate getting older. I forget pieces of things way more 
easily than when I was younger. I had forgotten about WebGL. I had to go 
read my own posts about it again in a Mozilla forum. Now I remember my video 
driver is supposed to have problems with hardware acceleration but I took 
the Mozilla test many times on Fx4, Opera 10.6 and Iron before Mozilla 
blocked my video driver and scored 60+FPS on Fx4. 
https://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/09/hardware-acceleration/

I don't recall if I tested on SM. I think back then I still had a really old 
version of SM and was enamoured with Fx4 which I had recently upgraded to 
from Fx 1.5 but Opera was still my default browser then and had been for two 
years (now Fx 4 on my host and Fx10 Enterprise on a virtual machine are my 
default browsers and I upgraded SM six months or so ago and use it quite a 
bit also and use Opera less as I am not crazy about Opera 11x. I was able to 
watch WebM video on Opera long before Fx ever offered it.

 Neither of those are part of HTML5.


 _What are the affects of using a driver that is on the blacklist_
 The drawback to a blocked graphics driver is that webpage performance will 
 not be as fast. You will still be able to access the same websites.

 _Is Flash needed to watch the screencasts_
 No. HTML5 video does not require any plugin. HTML5 does not have LSOs 
 (Flash cookies).

 _What reasons could be for a blank page at seamonkey.ilias.ca_
 Maybe it's because the search box uses an iframe? If you go to a page that 
 doesn't have a search box, like http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/installing/, 
 do you still get a blank page?

The above page is fine.  I also am not getting a blank page now at 
seamonkey.ilias.ca. Your site though is very inconsistent for me. For 
instance, in the column on the left, if I click on any question under FAQ 
Browser, I get a screenshot that says Welcome to SeaMonkey and nothing else. 
I get the same screenshot on ALL questions under Browser. Under FAQ 
Profiles, I get text only answers, no screenshots. Under FAQ General, I get 
a different screenshot that says Welcome 

Re: SeaMonkey Help is back�with screencasts!

[Desiree]

NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote in message 
news:djydnckhbdqqjufsnz2dnuvz_uedn...@mozilla.org...
 On 04/02/2012 12:39 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
 
 Whatever reasons you have for not updating your graphics driver, it
 something you should do. You can find instuctions at
 http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-do-i-upgrade-my-graphics-drivers


 Keep in mind that in many cases, the user is running the latest graphics
 driver for their card. Example:

There is a newer video driver for this card but you are right that after 
about 1 to 1.5 years after you get the video card the last driver that 
works, and doesn't cause a bunch of problems, is issued. After that, nVidia 
may claim you can install a newer driver but if you do you will usually have 
lots of problems and have to uninstall it.  I stopped upgrading the driver 
early though at only six months after I got this old computer when the newer 
driver would have worked fine except nVidia decided to force all of us who 
hated the new Vista nVidia panel (and thus we kept using the classic nVidia 
panel) to upgrade to the new vista panel which was missing about 50% of the 
options in the classic panel and which worked extremely, agonizingly slowly 
on XP computers like mine. The new panel was designed for Vista and Win 7. 
nvidia was very wrong to force XP users to the new panel like they did 
especially when using it lost us 50% of the functionality of the card and 
took away one of the main reasons I chose nVidia over ATI. Many of us simply 
did what I did and refused any further upgrades to our video driver so we 
could continue using the classic nVidia panel and we vented our anger and 
frustration in a thread that lasted many years and reached about 1000 posts 
at nVidia official forums. I did continue though to upgrade the driver 
package for audio, ethernet, SMBus, SATA IDE and SATA RAID, etc. for the 
nVidia mobo but there were only a few of those.

 Graphics
 Adapter DescriptionNVIDIA Corporation -- Quadro4 900 XGL/AGP/SSE2Driver
 Version1.5.8 NVIDIA 96.43.19
 WebGL RendererBlocked for your graphics driver version. Try updating
 your graphics driver to version NVIDIA 257.21 or newer.
 GPU Accelerated Windows0. Blocked for your graphics driver version. Try
 updating your graphics driver to version NVIDIA 257.21 or newer.
 Note: I also have .20 installed on the same machine.
 http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-96.43.20-driver.html

 96.43.19 *is* the current version for that card (linux). The boilerplate
 NVIDIA 257.21 or newer is nonsense as that driver doesn't work with
 the Quadro4 900 XGL.
 The version that I have installed on WinXP (Version: 91.36) *is* the
 current WinXP driver. http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_91.36.html

 Fact of the matter is that my Quadro4 will never support WebGL. Reason
 being is that, even if the hardware supported it, nVidia will never
 update the driver to do so. The card simply is too old and they would
 rather sell new cards (understandably).
  The card works just fine for me; Supports OpenGL  GLX, I can rotate
 my desktops in 3D, use 3D graphics for CAD and other programs, etc. So I
 see no reason to go spend additional $$ to buy one simply to run WebGL.
 


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[Desiree]

NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote in message 
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 On 04/02/2012 02:45 AM, Desiree wrote:
 Chris Ilias n...@ilias.ca wrote in message
 news:fo2dnunmh4lpvuvsnz2dnuvz_qedn...@mozilla.org...
 I've finished updating http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/!

 Aside from content now being up to date, the big change is that it is
 mostly screencasts. I've written a blog post about it at
 http://ilias.ca/blog/2012/03/seamonkey-help-is-back-with-screencasts/.
 ...
 I just get a blank page when going to your site both in Fx 10 Enterprise 
 and
 SM 2.6.1 on two different computers both running XP Pro. Mozilla in its
 wisdom saw fit to blacklist my video driver which does HTML5 just fine 
 on
 Opera and had passed all Mozilla tests for HTML5 until Mozilla decided to
 blacklist it and then, of course, the HTML5 tests no longer worked. I 
 have
 zero interest in updating my video driver. I like the version I use and 
 have
 specific reasons for why I use this version of nVidia nForce driver.  I

 Perhaps if you upgraded to 2.8 you might not have the problem. The
 blacklisted drivers are for WebGL, not HTML5. Here are mine:

I didn't upgrade SM to 2.7 because an extension would not work so SM told 
me.  I have not tried to since then to see if the extension may work with SM 
2.8.

 
 Graphics
 Adapter DescriptionNVIDIA Corporation -- Quadro4 900 XGL/AGP/SSE2Driver
 Version1.5.8 NVIDIA 96.43.19
 WebGL RendererBlocked for your graphics driver version. Try updating
 your graphics driver to version NVIDIA 257.21 or newer.
 GPU Accelerated Windows0. Blocked for your graphics driver version. Try
 updating your graphics driver to version NVIDIA 257.21 or newer.


 And from a WinXP with the same nVidia card:
 Graphics
 Adapter DescriptionNVIDIA Quadro4 900 XGLVendor ID0x10de
 Device ID0x0258Adapter RAMUnknownAdapter
 Driversnv4_dispDriver Version9.1.3.6Driver Date7-12-2006
 WebGL Rendererfalse
 GPU Accelerated Windows0. Blocked for your graphics driver version.
 

 And I can render the HTML5 just fine. I also have WinXP running in a
 VMWare virtual machine. That VM uses an SVG II 2D video driver, and I
 can view the HTML5 on that as well:

I checked my Workstation 7 virtual machine and I can't see anything about 
the video driver that is being used. That information is missing. I haven't 
looked at that for ages but I used to be able to see it. I also have no 
information on using multiple monitors and that should be visible too. There 
is a newer version of Workstation that I keep being bugged to install. I 
have resisted because it is a hassle to update Workstation. You essentially 
cannot. You have to uninstall the current version and then install the new 
version. I doubt I have enough space on my drive to download the new version 
which is huge. I am extremely low on space. I am waiting for Ivy Bridge 
processors to buy a new computer so I haven't been really concerned about 
this disk space on this one as it has a bulging capicator on the mobo so its 
days are limited anyway. But if I can free up some space, I will go ahead 
and install the latest Workstation update and see if that fixes the missing 
video driver information and maybe makes it so I can view HTML5.

 WebGL RendererBlocked for your graphics card because of unresolved
 driver issues.
 GPU Accelerated Windows0. Blocked for your graphics card because of
 unresolved driver issues.

 So I'd recommend upgrading to 2.8. 2.8 resolved/fixed several HTML5 
 issues:
 http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.8/#new
 as did SeaMonkey 2.7:
 http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.7/changes


 would never have blamed Mozilla if my video driver caused Fx or SM to 
 crash
 so I don't think Mozilla should arbitrarily placed video drivers older 
 than
 the date they chose on a black list as some very old drivers work fine 
 with
 HTML5 yet Mozilla put them on the black list. (I didn't blame Mozilla 
 when
 Fx4 was crashing constantly a year ago and it turned out to be nVidia's
 nView that I love greatly but I had to disable it forever if I wanted to 
 use
 Fx4 and above. I lost 50% of the functionality of my video card just to 
 be
 able to use Fx4 but I didn't blame Mozilla so I certainly would not have
 blamed Mozilla if my video driver had problems with HTML5 on Fx or SM. 
 Thus,
 I don't think Mozilla should have placed any video card driver versions 
 on a
 black list.

 Interesting... On the WinXP I have nView 110.44 installed and working.
 It's never cause an issue with Firefox or SeaMonkey for me. You might
 try reinstalling to see if it is still giving you issues with the
 current version of Firefox (11) or SeaMonkey (2.8).

My nView version is 110.60. I had no problems until I upgraded Fx from 1.5 
(that I used for a very long time because of one extension that was not 
available on Fx 2 or 3 but became available again for Fx4) to Fx 4 a year 
ago. From the moment I installed Fx 4, it began

Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-04-03 5:47 AM, Desiree wrote:

Chris Iliasn...@ilias.ca  wrote in message
news:dp-dncopijhenefsnz2dnuvz_gqdn...@mozilla.org...


_What reasons could be for a blank page at seamonkey.ilias.ca_
Maybe it's because the search box uses an iframe? If you go to a page that
doesn't have a search box, likehttp://seamonkey.ilias.ca/installing/,
do you still get a blank page?


The above page is fine.  I also am not getting a blank page now at
seamonkey.ilias.ca. Your site though is very inconsistent for me. For
instance, in the column on the left, if I click on any question under FAQ
Browser, I get a screenshot that says Welcome to SeaMonkey and nothing else.
I get the same screenshot on ALL questions under Browser. Under FAQ
Profiles, I get text only answers, no screenshots. Under FAQ General, I get
a different screenshot that says Welcome to SM Mail and Newsgroups on every
question. But under Documentation, Upgrading I actually get useful
screenshots and text. I have not checked every page on your site but you get
the idea.


What you're seeing is the screencast start image. For instance, if you 
go to http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/browserfaq/WebFeeds, which is in the 
browser FAQ, the image you see should not be Welcome to SeaMonkey, but 
of CNN World.


There should be a play icon embedded over top of the image. If you click 
on the image, the screencast should start. Does the play icon not 
appear? If it doesn't appear, does clicking on the image still start the 
screencast?


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[Desiree]

Chris Ilias n...@ilias.ca wrote in message 
news:fo2dnunmh4lpvuvsnz2dnuvz_qedn...@mozilla.org...
 I've finished updating http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/!

 Aside from content now being up to date, the big change is that it is 
 mostly screencasts. I've written a blog post about it at 
 http://ilias.ca/blog/2012/03/seamonkey-help-is-back-with-screencasts/.

 -- 
 Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca
 Newsgroup moderator

I just get a blank page when going to your site both in Fx 10 Enterprise and 
SM 2.6.1 on two different computers both running XP Pro. Mozilla in its 
wisdom saw fit to blacklist my video driver which does HTML5 just fine on 
Opera and had passed all Mozilla tests for HTML5 until Mozilla decided to 
blacklist it and then, of course, the HTML5 tests no longer worked. I have 
zero interest in updating my video driver. I like the version I use and have 
specific reasons for why I use this version of nVidia nForce driver.  I 
would never have blamed Mozilla if my video driver caused Fx or SM to crash 
so I don't think Mozilla should arbitrarily placed video drivers older than 
the date they chose on a black list as some very old drivers work fine with 
HTML5 yet Mozilla put them on the black list. (I didn't blame Mozilla when 
Fx4 was crashing constantly a year ago and it turned out to be nVidia's 
nView that I love greatly but I had to disable it forever if I wanted to use 
Fx4 and above. I lost 50% of the functionality of my video card just to be 
able to use Fx4 but I didn't blame Mozilla so I certainly would not have 
blamed Mozilla if my video driver had problems with HTML5 on Fx or SM. Thus, 
I don't think Mozilla should have placed any video card driver versions on a 
black list.

So, I can't use your help site unless I use Opera there which sort of 
defeats the purpose. When I get a new computer (waiting for OEMs to get Ivy 
Bridge processors) I guess the issue will be moot on the new computer. I 
think it is a shame you chose to make video only as I can't learn that way. 
I am a reader not a movie watcher. I want a help site to have text and 
screenshots. I rarely use Flash Player and don't even have it installed 
except on IE for my ISP's speed test but otherwise I don't want FP and HTML5 
is probably going to be even worse than FP as far as never ending security 
issues go and privacy invasion for the user so I disagree strongly with your 
decision to make your help site HTML5 dependent. 


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[Chris Ilias]

On 12-04-02 5:45 AM, Desiree wrote:

I just get a blank page when going to your site both in Fx 10 Enterprise and
SM 2.6.1 on two different computers both running XP Pro. Mozilla in its
wisdom saw fit to blacklist my video driver which does HTML5 just fine on
Opera and had passed all Mozilla tests for HTML5 until Mozilla decided to
blacklist it and then, of course, the HTML5 tests no longer worked. I have
zero interest in updating my video driver. I like the version I use and have
specific reasons for why I use this version of nVidia nForce driver.  I
would never have blamed Mozilla if my video driver caused Fx or SM to crash
so I don't think Mozilla should arbitrarily placed video drivers older than
the date they chose on a black list as some very old drivers work fine with
HTML5 yet Mozilla put them on the black list. (I didn't blame Mozilla when
Fx4 was crashing constantly a year ago and it turned out to be nVidia's
nView that I love greatly but I had to disable it forever if I wanted to use
Fx4 and above. I lost 50% of the functionality of my video card just to be
able to use Fx4 but I didn't blame Mozilla so I certainly would not have
blamed Mozilla if my video driver had problems with HTML5 on Fx or SM. Thus,
I don't think Mozilla should have placed any video card driver versions on a
black list.

So, I can't use your help site unless I use Opera there which sort of
defeats the purpose. When I get a new computer (waiting for OEMs to get Ivy
Bridge processors) I guess the issue will be moot on the new computer. I
think it is a shame you chose to make video only as I can't learn that way.
I am a reader not a movie watcher. I want a help site to have text and
screenshots. I rarely use Flash Player and don't even have it installed
except on IE for my ISP's speed test but otherwise I don't want FP and HTML5
is probably going to be even worse than FP as far as never ending security
issues go and privacy invasion for the user so I disagree strongly with your
decision to make your help site HTML5 dependent.


Whoa! You're making incorrect assumptions based on incorrect 
assumptions. So let's back up a bit, explain what driver blacklisting 
is, and figure out the /real/ reason you can't access HTML5 sites.



_What does graphics driver blacklisting do_
SeaMonkey (as well as some plugins) have a feature called hardware 
acceleration, in which your graphics processor is used for drawing 
operations. There's also a web standard called WebGL, in javascript is 
used to render 3d graphics in web browsers. If your graphics driver is 
known to cause problems with hardware acceleration or webgl, SeaMonkey 
will disable hardware acceleration and webgl on your installation.


Neither of those are part of HTML5.


_What are the affects of using a driver that is on the blacklist_
The drawback to a blocked graphics driver is that webpage performance 
will not be as fast. You will still be able to access the same websites.


_Is Flash needed to watch the screencasts_
No. HTML5 video does not require any plugin. HTML5 does not have LSOs 
(Flash cookies).


_What reasons could be for a blank page at seamonkey.ilias.ca_
Maybe it's because the search box uses an iframe? If you go to a page 
that doesn't have a search box, like 
http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/installing/, do you still get a blank page?



Whatever reasons you have for not updating your graphics driver, it 
something you should do. You can find instuctions at 
http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-do-i-upgrade-my-graphics-drivers


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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[NoOp]

On 04/02/2012 02:45 AM, Desiree wrote:
 Chris Ilias n...@ilias.ca wrote in message 
 news:fo2dnunmh4lpvuvsnz2dnuvz_qedn...@mozilla.org...
 I've finished updating http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/!

 Aside from content now being up to date, the big change is that it is 
 mostly screencasts. I've written a blog post about it at 
 http://ilias.ca/blog/2012/03/seamonkey-help-is-back-with-screencasts/.
...
 I just get a blank page when going to your site both in Fx 10 Enterprise and 
 SM 2.6.1 on two different computers both running XP Pro. Mozilla in its 
 wisdom saw fit to blacklist my video driver which does HTML5 just fine on 
 Opera and had passed all Mozilla tests for HTML5 until Mozilla decided to 
 blacklist it and then, of course, the HTML5 tests no longer worked. I have 
 zero interest in updating my video driver. I like the version I use and have 
 specific reasons for why I use this version of nVidia nForce driver.  I 

Perhaps if you upgraded to 2.8 you might not have the problem. The
blacklisted drivers are for WebGL, not HTML5. Here are mine:


Graphics
Adapter DescriptionNVIDIA Corporation -- Quadro4 900 XGL/AGP/SSE2Driver
Version1.5.8 NVIDIA 96.43.19
WebGL RendererBlocked for your graphics driver version. Try updating
your graphics driver to version NVIDIA 257.21 or newer.
GPU Accelerated Windows0. Blocked for your graphics driver version. Try
updating your graphics driver to version NVIDIA 257.21 or newer.


And from a WinXP with the same nVidia card:
Graphics
Adapter DescriptionNVIDIA Quadro4 900 XGLVendor ID0x10de
Device ID0x0258Adapter RAMUnknownAdapter
Driversnv4_dispDriver Version9.1.3.6Driver Date7-12-2006
WebGL Rendererfalse
GPU Accelerated Windows0. Blocked for your graphics driver version.


And I can render the HTML5 just fine. I also have WinXP running in a
VMWare virtual machine. That VM uses an SVG II 2D video driver, and I
can view the HTML5 on that as well:

WebGL RendererBlocked for your graphics card because of unresolved
driver issues.
GPU Accelerated Windows0. Blocked for your graphics card because of
unresolved driver issues.

So I'd recommend upgrading to 2.8. 2.8 resolved/fixed several HTML5 issues:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.8/#new
as did SeaMonkey 2.7:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.7/changes


 would never have blamed Mozilla if my video driver caused Fx or SM to crash 
 so I don't think Mozilla should arbitrarily placed video drivers older than 
 the date they chose on a black list as some very old drivers work fine with 
 HTML5 yet Mozilla put them on the black list. (I didn't blame Mozilla when 
 Fx4 was crashing constantly a year ago and it turned out to be nVidia's 
 nView that I love greatly but I had to disable it forever if I wanted to use 
 Fx4 and above. I lost 50% of the functionality of my video card just to be 
 able to use Fx4 but I didn't blame Mozilla so I certainly would not have 
 blamed Mozilla if my video driver had problems with HTML5 on Fx or SM. Thus, 
 I don't think Mozilla should have placed any video card driver versions on a 
 black list.

Interesting... On the WinXP I have nView 110.44 installed and working.
It's never cause an issue with Firefox or SeaMonkey for me. You might
try reinstalling to see if it is still giving you issues with the
current version of Firefox (11) or SeaMonkey (2.8).
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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[NoOp]

On 04/02/2012 12:39 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:

 Whatever reasons you have for not updating your graphics driver, it 
 something you should do. You can find instuctions at 
 http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-do-i-upgrade-my-graphics-drivers
 

Keep in mind that in many cases, the user is running the latest graphics
driver for their card. Example:

Graphics
Adapter DescriptionNVIDIA Corporation -- Quadro4 900 XGL/AGP/SSE2Driver
Version1.5.8 NVIDIA 96.43.19
WebGL RendererBlocked for your graphics driver version. Try updating
your graphics driver to version NVIDIA 257.21 or newer.
GPU Accelerated Windows0. Blocked for your graphics driver version. Try
updating your graphics driver to version NVIDIA 257.21 or newer.
Note: I also have .20 installed on the same machine.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-96.43.20-driver.html

96.43.19 *is* the current version for that card (linux). The boilerplate
NVIDIA 257.21 or newer is nonsense as that driver doesn't work with
the Quadro4 900 XGL.
The version that I have installed on WinXP (Version: 91.36) *is* the
current WinXP driver. http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_91.36.html

Fact of the matter is that my Quadro4 will never support WebGL. Reason
being is that, even if the hardware supported it, nVidia will never
update the driver to do so. The card simply is too old and they would
rather sell new cards (understandably).
  The card works just fine for me; Supports OpenGL  GLX, I can rotate
my desktops in 3D, use 3D graphics for CAD and other programs, etc. So I
see no reason to go spend additional $$ to buy one simply to run WebGL.

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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[NoOp]

On 03/30/2012 02:21 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
 I've finished updating http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/!
 
 Aside from content now being up to date, the big change is that it is 
 mostly screencasts. I've written a blog post about it at 
 http://ilias.ca/blog/2012/03/seamonkey-help-is-back-with-screencasts/.
 

Nicely done  thanks!

Gary Lee

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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Jens Hatlak]

Chris Ilias wrote:

I've finished updating http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/!


Bravo! Congrats! This is huge. :-)


Aside from content now being up to date, the big change is that it is
mostly screencasts. I've written a blog post about it at
http://ilias.ca/blog/2012/03/seamonkey-help-is-back-with-screencasts/.


I think this has a *very* nice touch. I always thought about creating 
screen casts myself (though in my case rather for advanced things like 
using DOM Inspector and the JavaScript Debugger). Care to let us know 
how you created them, and which tools you used? I'd be very interested 
in that (and others too I guess!).


While Justin's comments certainly do apply, I'd like to highlight that 
what you've done now is already a huge win in my eyes. Our support pages 
are lacking some information, though I think I already did some 
improvements (both on the official website and on the wiki), but there's 
always stuff I'd like to do but where I'm lacking time.


I'll assume from now on that your site is up-to-date again (at least for 
the most part) and recommend users to check it out in case of routine 
issues or anything else not already covered by the release notes or 
official website docs. I'll also link it from the wiki User FAQ page in 
a second.


For example I planned to create a wiki page for basic CSS hacks, like 
increasing the menu font size, hiding menu entries (like from the 
Bookmarks menu) or styling MailNews messages. But I think those are much 
better explained using a video accompanied by some prose.


Let's take menu fonts. You already have a page for that, namely 
http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/generalfaq/StyleMenuText. I think it's well 
done. I'd only recommend to also explain how to increase the main menu 
font size as well, like so:


menu, menuitem {font-size: 32px !important;}

I also see you already have something related to styling bookmarks on 
the Personal Toolbar (BTW: It's called Bookmarks Toolbar now since 
2.9b1). Care to add a page for hiding entries from the Bookmarks menu? 
Like this:


#BMB_unsortedBookmarksFolderMenu,
#BMB_bookmarksToolbarFolderMenu,
#BMB_feedsMenu {display:none !important;}

Which brings me to my last request, which is to offer users an easy way 
to provide feedback on each page. I think some people will have 
questions, suggest improvements, or maybe find mistakes. If you directed 
them towards your preferred way of communication (easiest: email 
address, best: form with comment box and an internal note from which 
page feedback was submitted; might require Captcha to prevent spam), 
that would relieve the user from asking themselves whether you actually 
want feedback in the first place, and through which channel (which means 
having to search for that information).


Finally, if you need help with small things or clarification, let me know.

Greetings,

Jens

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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Christian Riechers]

On 03/30/2012 11:21 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
 I've finished updating http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/!
 
 Aside from content now being up to date, the big change is that it is
 mostly screencasts. I've written a blog post about it at
 http://ilias.ca/blog/2012/03/seamonkey-help-is-back-with-screencasts/.
 

With both, Seamonkey 2.8 and FF 12 beta 3 on Linux I do get this error
message on the home page:
The screencasts on this site use HTML5 video in WebM format. Make sure
you have SeaMonkey 2.1 or higher, or one of the supported browsers.
The webcasts are working though.

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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[W3BNR]

On 3/30/2012 5:21 PM Chris Ilias submitted the following:
 I've finished updating http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/!
 
 Aside from content now being up to date, the big change is that it is mostly
 screencasts. I've written a blog post about it at
 http://ilias.ca/blog/2012/03/seamonkey-help-is-back-with-screencasts/.
 

Great job, Chris.

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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Christian Riechers wrote:


On 03/30/2012 11:21 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:

I've finished updatinghttp://seamonkey.ilias.ca/!

Aside from content now being up to date, the big change is that it is
mostly screencasts. I've written a blog post about it at
http://ilias.ca/blog/2012/03/seamonkey-help-is-back-with-screencasts/.



With both, Seamonkey 2.8 and FF 12 beta 3 on Linux I do get this error
message on the home page:
The screencasts on this site use HTML5 video in WebM format. Make sure
you have SeaMonkey 2.1 or higher, or one of the supported browsers.
The webcasts are working though.


Yeah, the warning is pretty scary, makes visitors think the website is 
already rejecting them. But the screencasts do work, so I need not have 
given up after seeing that.


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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-03-30 7:34 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

May I make the albeit simple request (but time consuming to do) of
providing subtitles for the screencasts, optionally turned on.

I am told HTML5 Vid/Aud API allows you to make it even match timing of
the vid without too much effort, which can in theory even allow others
to translate if wanted.

The key reason I ask it is so that people who (a) Don't understand
english well, but can read typed words or can use a translator can get
the help. and (b) people who have a disability in their hearing [and
possibly vision] can get either a transcript or a good account of the
tip/advice being mentioned.


* I wouldn't know how.

* The reason for not including text instructions is because the amount 
of time/work involved was not worth what it added to screencasts.


* In most cases, you can mute the video and still have a very good idea 
of what to do.


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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-03-31 3:11 AM, Jens Hatlak wrote:

I think this has a *very* nice touch. I always thought about creating
screen casts myself (though in my case rather for advanced things like
using DOM Inspector and the JavaScript Debugger). Care to let us know
how you created them, and which tools you used? I'd be very interested
in that (and others too I guess!).


1. Made sure any windows recorded were 800x600 by using Sizer 
http://www.brianapps.net/sizer/
2. Recorded using BBFlashback Express 
http://www.bbsoftware.co.uk/BBFlashBack_FreePlayer.aspx.

3. Exported to uncompressed AVI file.
4. Converted to webm with Free WebM Encoder 
http://webmsoft.com/free-webm-encoder.html. There are probably better 
converters out there now. That's just what I happen to have.



I also see you already have something related to styling bookmarks on
the Personal Toolbar (BTW: It's called Bookmarks Toolbar now since
2.9b1). Care to add a page for hiding entries from the Bookmarks menu?
Like this:

#BMB_unsortedBookmarksFolderMenu,
#BMB_bookmarksToolbarFolderMenu,
#BMB_feedsMenu {display:none !important;}


Thanks. I'll add that when 2.9 comes out.


Which brings me to my last request, which is to offer users an easy way
to provide feedback on each page. I think some people will have
questions, suggest improvements, or maybe find mistakes.


My contact link is at the bottom of every page (part of the footer).

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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-03-31 4:08 AM, Christian Riechers wrote:

On 03/30/2012 11:21 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:

I've finished updatinghttp://seamonkey.ilias.ca/!

Aside from content now being up to date, the big change is that it is
mostly screencasts. I've written a blog post about it at
http://ilias.ca/blog/2012/03/seamonkey-help-is-back-with-screencasts/.



With both, Seamonkey 2.8 and FF 12 beta 3 on Linux I do get this error
message on the home page:
The screencasts on this site use HTML5 video in WebM format. Make sure
you have SeaMonkey 2.1 or higher, or one of the supported browsers.
The webcasts are working though.


Actually, it's not an error or a warning. It's an important note to make 
sure any visitors know of the browser requirements. If it's causing 
confusion, I'll just remove it. A similar text already comes up for 
browsers that don't support the video tag. The only exception is Safari.


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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Chris Ilias wrote:


Actually, it's not an error or a warning. It's an important note to
make sure any visitors know of the browser requirements. If it's
causing confusion, I'll just remove it. A similar text already comes
up for browsers that don't support the video tag. The only exception
is Safari.


If that's your intention, all you have to do is tone down the format. 
The message itself is useful.


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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Chris Ilias]

On 12-03-31 4:32 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:

On 12-03-31 3:11 AM, Jens Hatlak wrote:

I think this has a *very* nice touch. I always thought about creating
screen casts myself (though in my case rather for advanced things like
using DOM Inspector and the JavaScript Debugger). Care to let us know
how you created them, and which tools you used? I'd be very interested
in that (and others too I guess!).


1. Made sure any windows recorded were 800x600 by using Sizer
http://www.brianapps.net/sizer/
2. Recorded using BBFlashback Express
http://www.bbsoftware.co.uk/BBFlashBack_FreePlayer.aspx.
3. Exported to uncompressed AVI file.
4. Converted to webm with Free WebM Encoder
http://webmsoft.com/free-webm-encoder.html. There are probably better
converters out there now. That's just what I happen to have.


I shoudl add that there more tools listed at 
http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/Adding%20screencasts


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SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Chris Ilias]

I've finished updating http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/!

Aside from content now being up to date, the big change is that it is 
mostly screencasts. I've written a blog post about it at 
http://ilias.ca/blog/2012/03/seamonkey-help-is-back-with-screencasts/.


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Re: SeaMonkey Help is back…with screencasts!

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

Chris Ilias wrote:

I've finished updating http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/!

Aside from content now being up to date, the big change is that it is
mostly screencasts. I've written a blog post about it at
http://ilias.ca/blog/2012/03/seamonkey-help-is-back-with-screencasts/.



Hey Chris,

WONDERFUL!!!

May I make the albeit simple request (but time consuming to do) of 
providing subtitles for the screencasts, optionally turned on.


I am told HTML5 Vid/Aud API allows you to make it even match timing of 
the vid without too much effort, which can in theory even allow others 
to translate if wanted.


The key reason I ask it is so that people who (a) Don't understand 
english well, but can read typed words or can use a translator can get 
the help. and (b) people who have a disability in their hearing [and 
possibly vision] can get either a transcript or a good account of the 
tip/advice being mentioned.


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Re: SeaMonkey Help?

[Robert Kaiser]

NoOp schrieb:

but Chris has been trying to get rid of, or sell off the page for some
time. SM should step up and create a proper FAQ/Wiki page of it's own
(perhaps by coordinating with Chris to port http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/.
[Thanks Chris]


He hasn't been trying to sell it off, he has been trying to find someone 
_form the community_ to update and maintain it. When you say SM should 
step up, we should keep in mind that SM is a collection of 
volunteers, testers and other interested people, a community of people 
trying to help the project by donating the free time they can spare - 
i.e. all regulars on this group are the SM you are talking of, 
including yourself. And if anyone from this community can spend time 
working to improve this website (or any of the SeaMonkey-related ones), 
please tell us and we'll work with you to get you access to do it.
What doesn't work is to rely on others to do all the work and only sate 
they should do something. The only reason this project works at all is 
because some people decided to do something instead of just saying that 
something should be done.

Will you step up and help the project there?

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[NoOp]

On 08/15/2010 06:36 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
 NoOp schrieb:
 but Chris has been trying to get rid of, or sell off the page for some
 time. SM should step up and create a proper FAQ/Wiki page of it's own
 (perhaps by coordinating with Chris to port http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/.
 [Thanks Chris]
 
 He hasn't been trying to sell it off, he has been trying to find someone 
 _form the community_ to update and maintain it. 

My apologies, I was thinking of a different site instead.

I now recall:
http://ilias.ca/blog/2007/05/want-to-take-over-seamonkeyiliasca/

And the thread in dev.apps.seamonkey where Asrail offered to help:
[New SeaMonkey website - ready for prime time?]
quote
 Chris Ilias, 13-11-2007 01:04:
  On 11/12/07 8:41 AM, _Robert Kaiser_ spoke thusly:
  We don't use any SSI on seamonkey-project.org, but we have the 
  template toolkit available, which can do really great things, actually.
  
  Okay, my use of SSI is actually a lot more than templates. Any instance 
  where a piece of code/text is frequent on the site, SSI is used. (I 
  don't like having to make the same edit on 200+ pages.) I know 
  mozilla-org uses a VARIABLES file for things link latest release version 
  number, download URIs, and release notes URLs. I wonder if a 
  sub-VARIABLES file could be used on seamonkey-project-org.
 I don't ever used this template toolkit or have read about it, but I 
 don't believe it's hard to learn.
 
  In any case, I'm busy with the Firefox Support project. Maybe Asrail, 
  who is now maintaining seamonkey.ilias.ca, might be willing to convert 
  the content for seamonkey-project-org.
 I can help migrating the content and creating some on demand.
/quote

What became of that effort?

 When you say SM should 
 step up, we should keep in mind that SM is a collection of 
 volunteers, testers and other interested people, a community of people 
 trying to help the project by donating the free time they can spare - 
 i.e. all regulars on this group are the SM you are talking of, 
 including yourself. And if anyone from this community can spend time 
 working to improve this website (or any of the SeaMonkey-related ones), 
 please tell us and we'll work with you to get you access to do it.
 What doesn't work is to rely on others to do all the work and only sate 
 they should do something. The only reason this project works at all is 
 because some people decided to do something instead of just saying that 
 something should be done.
 Will you step up and help the project there?

Sure. I'll be more than happy to help if I possibly can. I know nothing
about coding a website. However if there is a channel/group/contact for
testing, proof reading, assisting then I'm quite willing to learn  help
if I can.
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Re: SeaMonkey Help?

[Robert Kaiser]

NoOp schrieb:

I now recall:
http://ilias.ca/blog/2007/05/want-to-take-over-seamonkeyiliasca/

And the thread in dev.apps.seamonkey where Asrail offered to help:
[...]

What became of that effort?


It's been a long time since I heard from Asrail :(

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Re: SeaMonkey Help?

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On 08/13/2010 09:49 PM, Keith Whaley wrote:
 NoOp wrote:
 On 08/12/2010 06:32 PM, Harold Robbins wrote:
 I keep getting mail in the list, but I cannot see my Email nor get replies. 
 WHere do I go for help in SeaMonkey ?
 
 Use the newsgroups instead:
 http://www.seamonkey-project.org/community
   news://news.mozilla.org/mozilla.support.seamonkey
 
 -- 
 Harold Robbins
 
 Excuse me folks, but...of what possible use is the list @
 support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
 ...if one must use the newsgroup in order to get answers to legitimate SM 
 questions?
 
 keith whaley
 

It was a legitimate response.
Harold is using gmail via the mailing list. Now unless you'd like to
talk him through how to get his gmail to show his replies (I don't), the
best method (IMO) is for him to use the newsgroup(s) instead of the
mailing list.

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Re: SeaMonkey Help?

[Gregory Hicks]

 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 00:08:20 -0700
 From: NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid.net
 
 On 08/13/2010 09:49 PM, Keith Whaley wrote:
  NoOp wrote:
  On 08/12/2010 06:32 PM, Harold Robbins wrote:
  I keep getting mail in the list, but I cannot see my Email nor get 
  replies. 
  WHere do I go for help in SeaMonkey ?
  
  Use the newsgroups instead:
  http://www.seamonkey-project.org/community
news://news.mozilla.org/mozilla.support.seamonkey
  
  Excuse me folks, but...of what possible use is the list @
  support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
  ...if one must use the newsgroup in order to get answers to legitimate SM 
  questions?
  
  keith whaley
  
 
 It was a legitimate response.
 Harold is using gmail via the mailing list. Now unless you'd like to
 talk him through how to get his gmail to show his replies (I don't), the
 best method (IMO) is for him to use the newsgroup(s) instead of the
 mailing list.

Of what possible use is the LIST?  Well, some of us don't get news...

However, to set the mailling list so that you get a copy of what you
post is simple.  Go to
https://lists.mozilla.org/options/support-seamonkey and login.

One of the options down at the bottom of the page is Receive your own
posts to the list?  The default is no.  Select yes.  Then select
submit changes.

You should be good to go at this point.

HTH,
Gregory Hicks
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Re: SeaMonkey Help?

[Keith Whaley]

d...@kd4e.com wrote:

Keith,

Your posts are making it here fine, go ahead and ask your
question, please?

If you are not seeing your posts, check your Junk folder.

HTH ...


Okay, thanks Doc but...I wasn't personally having any problems, I was 
referring to the  valid lament Harold Robbins posted on 8/12, which is 
copied below.
When NoOp's answer to Harold was that if he was not seeing messages he 
posted actually show up, he should send his inquiry to the newsgroup 
INSTEAD, I merely asked the next most logical question.


I still ask: why instead?
Why isn't sending any SeaMonkey help questions to the support-seamonkey 
Yahoo list adequate?


keith



NoOp wrote:

On 08/12/2010 06:32 PM, Harold Robbins wrote:

I keep getting mail in the list, but I cannot see my Email nor get
replies. WHere do I go for help in SeaMonkey ?



Use the newsgroups instead:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/community
news://news.mozilla.org/mozilla.support.seamonkey



--
Harold Robbins



Excuse me folks, but...of what possible use is the list @
support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
...if one must use the newsgroup in order to get answers to legitimate
SM questions?

keith whaley




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Re: SeaMonkey Help?

[d...@kd4e.com]

Keith Whaley wrote:
I still ask: why instead?
Why isn't sending any SeaMonkey help questions to the
support-seamonkey Yahoo list adequate?


I think noop was saying that gmail (from google, surprise)
has some sort of conflict with the mozilla discussion list.

Or so I understood his post.

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Re: SeaMonkey Help?

[NoOp]

On 08/14/2010 01:14 AM, Gregory Hicks wrote:
 
 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 00:08:20 -0700
 From: NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid.net
 
 On 08/13/2010 09:49 PM, Keith Whaley wrote:
  NoOp wrote:
  On 08/12/2010 06:32 PM, Harold Robbins wrote:
  I keep getting mail in the list, but I cannot see my Email nor get 
  replies. 
  WHere do I go for help in SeaMonkey ?
  
  Use the newsgroups instead:
  http://www.seamonkey-project.org/community
news://news.mozilla.org/mozilla.support.seamonkey
  
  Excuse me folks, but...of what possible use is the list @
  support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
  ...if one must use the newsgroup in order to get answers to legitimate SM 
  questions?
  
  keith whaley
  
 
 It was a legitimate response.
 Harold is using gmail via the mailing list. Now unless you'd like to
 talk him through how to get his gmail to show his replies (I don't), the
 best method (IMO) is for him to use the newsgroup(s) instead of the
 mailing list.
 
 Of what possible use is the LIST?  Well, some of us don't get news...
 
 However, to set the mailling list so that you get a copy of what you
 post is simple.  Go to
 https://lists.mozilla.org/options/support-seamonkey and login.
 
 One of the options down at the bottom of the page is Receive your own
 posts to the list?  The default is no.  Select yes.  Then select
 submit changes.
 
 You should be good to go at this point.

That might work, but I suspect not. I do not have an Gmail account so I
can't be certain, but I do know that there are issues with gmail and lists:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=encomplete=0q=mailing+lists+%2Bgmail+%2BcopiesbtnG=Search

Samples:
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=2926a8b8e3050679hl=en
http://support.tigertech.net/mailman-gmail
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6588
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Re: SeaMonkey Help?

[Robert Kaiser]

Keith Whaley schrieb:

Excuse me folks, but...of what possible use is the list @
support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
...if one must use the newsgroup in order to get answers to legitimate
SM questions?


The list itself works well, the Google Groups gateway sucks.

Robert Kaiser
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Re: SeaMonkey Help?

[NoOp]

On 08/14/2010 10:44 AM, NoOp wrote:
 On 08/14/2010 01:14 AM, Gregory Hicks wrote:
... Glad to see that you got your threading issues worked out :-)

 One of the options down at the bottom of the page is Receive your own
 posts to the list?  The default is no.  Select yes.  Then select
 submit changes.
 
 You should be good to go at this point.
 
 That might work, but I suspect not. I do not have an Gmail account so I
 can't be certain, but I do know that there are issues with gmail and lists:
 http://www.google.com/search?hl=encomplete=0q=mailing+lists+%2Bgmail+%2BcopiesbtnG=Search
 
 Samples:
 http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=2926a8b8e3050679hl=en
 http://support.tigertech.net/mailman-gmail
 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6588

Added point:
http://ilias.ca/moznewsgroups-sm
shows how to use nntp for the news.mozilla.org newsgroups. It would be
helpful if the basic
 http://www.seamonkey-project.org/community
page took some initiative and create a *useful* howto support page. That
page does point to Chris' page via:


SeaMonkey Help

Contributed by a long-time SeaMonkey fan, this page hosts various
user support documents as well as a document describing the differences
between Firefox/Thunderbird and SeaMonkey very well.


but Chris has been trying to get rid of, or sell off the page for some
time. SM should step up and create a proper FAQ/Wiki page of it's own
(perhaps by coordinating with Chris to port http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/.
[Thanks Chris]

BTW:
For a perspective of the wider Mozilla community that we are a part of,
read the mozilla.org community page.
http://www.mozilla.org/community/
doesn't have anything regarding SeaMonkey...

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Re: SeaMonkey Help?

[Keith Whaley]

NoOp wrote:

On 08/12/2010 06:32 PM, Harold Robbins wrote:
I keep getting mail in the list, but I cannot see my Email nor get replies. 
WHere do I go for help in SeaMonkey ?



Use the newsgroups instead:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/community
  news://news.mozilla.org/mozilla.support.seamonkey



--
Harold Robbins


Excuse me folks, but...of what possible use is the list @
   support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
...if one must use the newsgroup in order to get answers to legitimate SM 
questions?


keith whaley

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Re: SeaMonkey Help?

[d...@kd4e.com]

Keith,

Your posts are making it here fine, go ahead and ask your
question, please?

If you are not seeing your posts, check your Junk folder.

HTH ...



NoOp wrote:

On 08/12/2010 06:32 PM, Harold Robbins wrote:

I keep getting mail in the list, but I cannot see my Email nor get
replies. WHere do I go for help in SeaMonkey ?



Use the newsgroups instead:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/community
news://news.mozilla.org/mozilla.support.seamonkey



--
Harold Robbins


Excuse me folks, but...of what possible use is the list @
support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
...if one must use the newsgroup in order to get answers to legitimate
SM questions?

keith whaley


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Re: SeaMonkey Help?

[Paul]

Keith Whaley wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 08/12/2010 06:32 PM, Harold Robbins wrote:
I keep getting mail in the list, but I cannot see my Email nor get 
replies. WHere do I go for help in SeaMonkey ?



Use the newsgroups instead:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/community
  news://news.mozilla.org/mozilla.support.seamonkey



--
Harold Robbins


Excuse me folks, but...of what possible use is the list @
   support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
...if one must use the newsgroup in order to get answers to legitimate 
SM questions?


keith whaley


One could hope that within the small number
of email.lists readers that someone would be able to help.
As opposed to the ng with its thousands of readers.
Some people may not be able to do ng's... don't know why not though.
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SeaMonkey Help?

[Harold Robbins]

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I keep getting mail in the list, but I cannot see my Email nor get
replies. WHere do I go for help in SeaMonkey ?


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Copying Firefox bookmarks to Seamonkey - Help! Sunday, March 14, 2010 7:09 PM

[Max Winter]

My Firefox bookmarks.html file does not contain MY
bookmarks, it only contains those bookmarks that came with Firefox, (same with 
the bookmarks backup file), so where are mine? I read on one Mozilla page they 
are in the places.sqlite file in the fdhyr8rq.default folder which is in 
the Firefox Profiles folder.

I also saw on another page that to copy bookmarks to Seamonkey from Firefox you 
use the Organize Bookmarks - Import and Backup - Export HTML command from 
Firefox and then import the bookmarks.html file to Seamonkey. All that does, 
as mentioned above, is give me the bookmarks that originally came with Firefox.

And as you no doubt know, you can't use the Export HTML command to export 
places.sqlite because it HAS to have an html extension. So, I tried 
deleting the places.sqlite file from Seamonkey and replacing it with a copy of 
the Firefox places.sqlite file. Didn't change a thing!

So, how do I export them to Seamonkey when the Export HTML function will only 
let me export an html file, which, as stated previously, does not actually 
contain the bookmarks I want to export? 

Shouldn't this be a simpler process if both Firefox and Seamonkey are from 
Mozilla? Is Mozilla TRYING to become as bad as Microsoft? (As much as I detest 
Microsoft at least their Favorites are easily exportable).

Help.


  
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Re: Copying Firefox bookmarks to Seamonkey - Help! Sunday, March 14, 2010 7:09 PM

[Leonidas Jones]

Max Winter wrote:

My Firefox bookmarks.html file does not contain MY
bookmarks, it only contains those bookmarks that came with Firefox, (same with the bookmarks backup file), so 
where are mine? I read on one Mozilla page they are in the places.sqlite file in the 
fdhyr8rq.default folder which is in the Firefox Profiles folder.

I also saw on another page that to copy bookmarks to Seamonkey from Firefox you use the Organize 
Bookmarks -  Import and Backup -  Export HTML command from Firefox and then import the 
bookmarks.html file to Seamonkey. All that does, as mentioned above, is give me the bookmarks 
that originally came with Firefox.

And as you no doubt know, you can't use the Export HTML command to export places.sqlite 
because it HAS to have an html extension. So, I tried deleting the places.sqlite file 
from Seamonkey and replacing it with a copy of the Firefox places.sqlite file. Didn't change a 
thing!

So, how do I export them to Seamonkey when the Export HTML function will only 
let me export an html file, which, as stated previously, does not actually 
contain the bookmarks I want to export?

Shouldn't this be a simpler process if both Firefox and Seamonkey are from 
Mozilla? Is Mozilla TRYING to become as bad as Microsoft? (As much as I detest 
Microsoft at least their Favorites are easily exportable).

Help.





Try opening Firefox. Choose Organize Bookmarks, then Import and Backup, 
then Export HTML. Choose a location for the resulting file that will be 
easy to find.


Then use the resulting bookmarks.html to import into SeaMonkey. It's 
actually a pretty simple process.


Lee
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