Re: Question about Composer
On 02/17/2015 10:38 AM, A Williams wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 02/14/2015 09:05 PM, »Q« wrote: In news:bocdnttnh9zxaeljnz2dnuu7-aedn...@mozilla.org, Beauregard T. Shagnasty a.nony.mous@example.invalid wrote: Mr. Ed wrote: On 2/14/2015 4:56 PM, Ray_Net wrote: jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote on 14/02/2015 19:59: Hi. Is anyone aware of a word count facility that can be added to Composer? It would be really helpful. Many thanks again. Composer is just maintained. There will be no enhancement. You should use http://bluegriffon.org/ Looks like bluegriffon hasn't been changed in two years. Hard to believe that it was perfected that long ago. BlueGriffon is still at least a dozen years newer than Composer. And Glazman had been working on HTML editors since the days when Composer was a going concern. AFAIK, BG is still the best WYSINWOG html editor. ;) One wonders how many security vulnerabilities it is subject to, based on whatever old Gecko engine it is based on. No word count, but he might want to take a look at Thimble. https://thimble.webmaker.org/en-US Can you have security problems of that nature when editing local html? I have no idea. I now use an IDE called Geany to do what little HTML composing I do. I can preview that file in Firefox, use its developer tools to make changes, and watch them change ala WYSIWYG. It does have a bit of a learning curve. -- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0a1 [Coexist · Understanding Across Divides](https://www.coexist.org/) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question about Composer
jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote on 16/02/15 22:53: On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 9:19:07 PM UTC-8, Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote: jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote on 16/02/15 08:13: On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 2:50:53 PM UTC-8, Ronnie wrote: Composer has spell check, didn't see anything for a word count though. jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, February 14, 2015 at 10:59:11 AM UTC-8, jeff@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Is anyone aware of a word count facility that can be added to Composer? It would be really helpful. Many thanks again. No spell check and no word count? Useless to me. But thanks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey Bottom-posting, so as not to enrage folks...grin Yes, and the spell check works very nicely. Somewhere I recall a utility that lets you add Word Count to the right-click context menu. This will enable me to shade the entire document, right-click, and get a word count. If memory serves me correctly, it was a Windows utility. I wonder if there's such a thing for Linux. I'll have to check it out. WordCount was/is an extension for SeaMonkey (and Firefox), which was superceded by WordCountPlus. I don't think any work has been done on the extension since 2008, though I still occasionally use it in browser-panels that don't include a word-limit counter. I haven't had a need for it in the Composer for some time. http://wordcountplus.mozdev.org/ This link should get you the latest modified XPI to work in your current SeaMonkey Browser, but I personally, cannot get the right-click menu-item, to so much as show in my nightly-build of SeaMonkey-Composer nor SeaMonkey-Messaging, and the icon only appears in the Browser status-bar for me. http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/tmp/convert/54e174a18d7be6.16255575/dest/wordcountplus-1.2.3.xpi Hope that helps. Barry. (sorry! Forgot to insert the link previously!. Barry) Thanks. Neither the stable nor the beta release will install in 2.32.1. Oh well. I probably should mention that the XPI file needs to be downloaded to a local folder, and then use SeaMonkey to open the file from the browser-toolbar's menu, File, Open File, which should open an install dialog. Barry. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question about Composer
Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote: http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/tmp/convert/54e174a18d7be6.16255575/dest/wordcountplus-1.2.3.xpi Hi, unfortunately the link produces a message Page Not Found. The file you were trying to download is no longer available. Probably your session has expired. Converted add-ons are deleted after 15 minutes. Please go to home page and do the conversion again. for me. Best regards Rainer Bielefeld ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question about Composer
On 02/16/2015 12:39 PM, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote: http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/tmp/convert/54e174a18d7be6.16255575/dest/wordcountplus-1.2.3.xpi Hi, unfortunately the link produces a message Page Not Found. The file you were trying to download is no longer available. Probably your session has expired. Converted add-ons are deleted after 15 minutes. Please go to home page and do the conversion again. for me. Best regards Rainer Bielefeld So download wordcountplus-1.2.3.xpi to your computer and run it through the converter. -- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0a1 [Coexist · Understanding Across Divides](https://www.coexist.org/) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question about Composer
Rainer Bielefeld wrote on 17/02/15 01:39: Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote: http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/tmp/convert/54e174a18d7be6.16255575/dest/wordcountplus-1.2.3.xpi Hi, unfortunately the link produces a message Page Not Found. The file you were trying to download is no longer available. Probably your session has expired. Converted add-ons are deleted after 15 minutes. Please go to home page and do the conversion again. for me. Best regards Rainer Bielefeld You can yourself, do the conversion for SeaMonkey at:- http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/convert.php by pasting this direct link to the original xpi file, in the cell provided on that conversion page. http://downloads.mozdev.org/wordcountplus/wordcountplus-1.2.3.xpi Download the file it produces, to a local folder, and then use SeaMonkey to open that XPI file via the browser-toolbar's menu, File, Open File, which should open an install dialog. Barry. HTH ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question about Composer
On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 9:19:07 PM UTC-8, Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote: jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote on 16/02/15 08:13: On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 2:50:53 PM UTC-8, Ronnie wrote: Composer has spell check, didn't see anything for a word count though. jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, February 14, 2015 at 10:59:11 AM UTC-8, jeff@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Is anyone aware of a word count facility that can be added to Composer? It would be really helpful. Many thanks again. No spell check and no word count? Useless to me. But thanks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey Bottom-posting, so as not to enrage folks...grin Yes, and the spell check works very nicely. Somewhere I recall a utility that lets you add Word Count to the right-click context menu. This will enable me to shade the entire document, right-click, and get a word count. If memory serves me correctly, it was a Windows utility. I wonder if there's such a thing for Linux. I'll have to check it out. WordCount was/is an extension for SeaMonkey (and Firefox), which was superceded by WordCountPlus. I don't think any work has been done on the extension since 2008, though I still occasionally use it in browser-panels that don't include a word-limit counter. I haven't had a need for it in the Composer for some time. http://wordcountplus.mozdev.org/ This link should get you the latest modified XPI to work in your current SeaMonkey Browser, but I personally, cannot get the right-click menu-item, to so much as show in my nightly-build of SeaMonkey-Composer nor SeaMonkey-Messaging, and the icon only appears in the Browser status-bar for me. http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/tmp/convert/54e174a18d7be6.16255575/dest/wordcountplus-1.2.3.xpi Hope that helps. Barry. (sorry! Forgot to insert the link previously!. Barry) Thanks. Neither the stable nor the beta release will install in 2.32.1. Oh well. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question about Composer
On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 2:50:53 PM UTC-8, Ronnie wrote: Composer has spell check, didn't see anything for a word count though. jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, February 14, 2015 at 10:59:11 AM UTC-8, jeff@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Is anyone aware of a word count facility that can be added to Composer? It would be really helpful. Many thanks again. No spell check and no word count? Useless to me. But thanks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey Bottom-posting, so as not to enrage folks...grin Yes, and the spell check works very nicely. Somewhere I recall a utility that lets you add Word Count to the right-click context menu. This will enable me to shade the entire document, right-click, and get a word count. If memory serves me correctly, it was a Windows utility. I wonder if there's such a thing for Linux. I'll have to check it out. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question about Composer
On Saturday, February 14, 2015 at 10:59:11 AM UTC-8, jeff@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Is anyone aware of a word count facility that can be added to Composer? It would be really helpful. Many thanks again. No spell check and no word count? Useless to me. But thanks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question about Composer
Composer has spell check, didn't see anything for a word count though. jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, February 14, 2015 at 10:59:11 AM UTC-8, jeff@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Is anyone aware of a word count facility that can be added to Composer? It would be really helpful. Many thanks again. No spell check and no word count? Useless to me. But thanks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question about Composer
jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote on 16/02/15 08:13: On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 2:50:53 PM UTC-8, Ronnie wrote: Composer has spell check, didn't see anything for a word count though. jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, February 14, 2015 at 10:59:11 AM UTC-8, jeff@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Is anyone aware of a word count facility that can be added to Composer? It would be really helpful. Many thanks again. No spell check and no word count? Useless to me. But thanks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey Bottom-posting, so as not to enrage folks...grin Yes, and the spell check works very nicely. Somewhere I recall a utility that lets you add Word Count to the right-click context menu. This will enable me to shade the entire document, right-click, and get a word count. If memory serves me correctly, it was a Windows utility. I wonder if there's such a thing for Linux. I'll have to check it out. WordCount was/is an extension for SeaMonkey (and Firefox), which was superceded by WordCountPlus. I don't think any work has been done on the extension since 2008, though I still occasionally use it in browser-panels that don't include a word-limit counter. I haven't had a need for it in the Composer for some time. http://wordcountplus.mozdev.org/ This link should get you the latest modified XPI to work in your current SeaMonkey Browser, but I personally, cannot get the right-click menu-item, to so much as show in my nightly-build of SeaMonkey-Composer nor SeaMonkey-Messaging, and the icon only appears in the Browser status-bar for me. http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/tmp/convert/54e174a18d7be6.16255575/dest/wordcountplus-1.2.3.xpi Hope that helps. Barry. (sorry! Forgot to insert the link previously!. Barry) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question about Composer
jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote on 16/02/15 08:13: On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 2:50:53 PM UTC-8, Ronnie wrote: Composer has spell check, didn't see anything for a word count though. jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, February 14, 2015 at 10:59:11 AM UTC-8, jeff@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Is anyone aware of a word count facility that can be added to Composer? It would be really helpful. Many thanks again. No spell check and no word count? Useless to me. But thanks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey Bottom-posting, so as not to enrage folks...grin Yes, and the spell check works very nicely. Somewhere I recall a utility that lets you add Word Count to the right-click context menu. This will enable me to shade the entire document, right-click, and get a word count. If memory serves me correctly, it was a Windows utility. I wonder if there's such a thing for Linux. I'll have to check it out. WordCount was/is an extension for SeaMonkey (and Firefox), which was superceded by WordCountPlus. I don't think any work has been done on the extension since 2008, though I still occasionally use it in browser-panels that don't include a word-limit counter. I haven't had a need for it in the Composer for some time. http://wordcountplus.mozdev.org/ This link should get you the latest modified XPI to work in your current SeaMonkey Browser, but I personally, cannot get the right-click menu-item, to so much as show in my nightly-build of SeaMonkey-Composer nor SeaMonkey-Messaging, and the icon only appears in the Browser status-bar for me. Hope that helps. Barry. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Question about Composer
Hi. Is anyone aware of a word count facility that can be added to Composer? It would be really helpful. Many thanks again. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question about Composer
On Saturday, February 14, 2015 at 1:56:46 PM UTC-8, Ray_Net wrote: jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote on 14/02/2015 19:59: Hi. Is anyone aware of a word count facility that can be added to Composer? It would be really helpful. Many thanks again. Composer is just maintained. There will be no enhancement. You should use http://bluegriffon.org/ Thanks. I was looking for something that would integrate into SM. I appreciate the lead. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question about Composer
jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote on 14/02/2015 19:59: Hi. Is anyone aware of a word count facility that can be added to Composer? It would be really helpful. Many thanks again. Composer is just maintained. There will be no enhancement. You should use http://bluegriffon.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question about Composer
On 2/14/2015 4:56 PM, Ray_Net wrote: jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote on 14/02/2015 19:59: Hi. Is anyone aware of a word count facility that can be added to Composer? It would be really helpful. Many thanks again. Composer is just maintained. There will be no enhancement. You should use http://bluegriffon.org/ Looks like bluegriffon hasn't been changed in two years. Hard to believe that it was perfected that long ago. -- This is America! You can't make a horse testify against himself! Mister Ed ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question about Composer
Mr. Ed wrote: On 2/14/2015 4:56 PM, Ray_Net wrote: jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote on 14/02/2015 19:59: Hi. Is anyone aware of a word count facility that can be added to Composer? It would be really helpful. Many thanks again. Composer is just maintained. There will be no enhancement. You should use http://bluegriffon.org/ Looks like bluegriffon hasn't been changed in two years. Hard to believe that it was perfected that long ago. BlueGriffon is still at least a dozen years newer than Composer. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question about Composer
In news:bocdnttnh9zxaeljnz2dnuu7-aedn...@mozilla.org, Beauregard T. Shagnasty a.nony.mous@example.invalid wrote: Mr. Ed wrote: On 2/14/2015 4:56 PM, Ray_Net wrote: jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote on 14/02/2015 19:59: Hi. Is anyone aware of a word count facility that can be added to Composer? It would be really helpful. Many thanks again. Composer is just maintained. There will be no enhancement. You should use http://bluegriffon.org/ Looks like bluegriffon hasn't been changed in two years. Hard to believe that it was perfected that long ago. BlueGriffon is still at least a dozen years newer than Composer. And Glazman had been working on HTML editors since the days when Composer was a going concern. AFAIK, BG is still the best WYSINWOG html editor. ;) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question about Composer
On 02/14/2015 09:05 PM, »Q« wrote: In news:bocdnttnh9zxaeljnz2dnuu7-aedn...@mozilla.org, Beauregard T. Shagnasty a.nony.mous@example.invalid wrote: Mr. Ed wrote: On 2/14/2015 4:56 PM, Ray_Net wrote: jeff.nee...@gmail.com wrote on 14/02/2015 19:59: Hi. Is anyone aware of a word count facility that can be added to Composer? It would be really helpful. Many thanks again. Composer is just maintained. There will be no enhancement. You should use http://bluegriffon.org/ Looks like bluegriffon hasn't been changed in two years. Hard to believe that it was perfected that long ago. BlueGriffon is still at least a dozen years newer than Composer. And Glazman had been working on HTML editors since the days when Composer was a going concern. AFAIK, BG is still the best WYSINWOG html editor. ;) One wonders how many security vulnerabilities it is subject to, based on whatever old Gecko engine it is based on. No word count, but he might want to take a look at Thimble. https://thimble.webmaker.org/en-US -- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:34.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/34.0 [Coexist · Understanding Across Divides](https://www.coexist.org/) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Filter question
On 14/01/15 16:41, john sumner wrote: NoOp wrote: Yes. Go back and read the response that I provided to you previously in your filter question thread. i really dont want to wade back through a few hundred messages. You asked a question and, out of the goodness of their hearts, someone provided you with an answer ... but you could not be bothered to wade back through a few hundred messages *REALLY* !! Another way of finding the message might be to click on the From column header, then scroll down to where NoOp has replied to your other question!! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 Build identifier: 20141218225909 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 Build identifier: 20150101220549 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Filter question
On 01/13/2015 05:53 AM, john sumner wrote: When i filter something in one news group, i keep seeing the same crap in another newsgroup, is there anyway i can keep this from happening to me, or is it something i have to live with Yes. Go back and read the response that I provided to you previously in your filter question thread. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Filter question
NoOp wrote: Yes. Go back and read the response that I provided to you previously in your filter question thread. i really dont want to wade back through a few hundred messages. -- I am a stranger in a very strange land ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Filter question
When you use the Create Filter From option in the dialogue, it creates a filter by only one group by default. You can create filters that apply to the whole Usenet account. Tool Message Filters. Select the Usenet account in the menu in the top part of the window, instead of just individual groups. john sumner wrote: When i filter something in one news group, i keep seeing the same crap in another newsgroup, is there anyway i can keep this from happening to me, or is it something i have to live with ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Filter question
When i filter something in one news group, i keep seeing the same crap in another newsgroup, is there anyway i can keep this from happening to me, or is it something i have to live with ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Filter question
Richard Falken wrote: When you use the Create Filter From option in the dialogue, it creates a filter by only one group by default. You can create filters that apply to the whole Usenet account. Tool Message Filters. Select the Usenet account in the menu in the top part of the window, instead of just individual groups. Thanks rich i will try just that ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A question
On 11/01/2015 23:32, Ray_Net wrote: Mason83 wrote on 11/01/2015 21:55: On 11/01/2015 21:15, Mark DeWolf wrote: Is there a way in Sea Monkey to import an entire site and work on it one page at a time? man curl man wget The op use : Apple Mail (2.1993) So your commands work on his system ? Well, wget is GPLv3, so Apple would rather blow up the Sun than touch it. cURL however is under a MIT/X derivate license, so yes; Apple even packages it. https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/curl.1.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
A question
Is there a way in Sea Monkey to import an entire site and work on it one page at a time? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A question
Mark DeWolf wrote: Is there a way in Sea Monkey to import an entire site and work on it one page at a time? What exactly do you mean when you say work on it? Do you want to garner the source code? (That would be impossible.) -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A question
Mark DeWolf wrote: Is there a way in Sea Monkey to import an entire site and work on it one page at a time? http://fireftp.net/ If it is *not* your site then no. -- Take care, Jonathan --- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A question
On 11/01/2015 21:15, Mark DeWolf wrote: Is there a way in Sea Monkey to import an entire site and work on it one page at a time? man curl man wget ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A question
Ray Davison wrote: Mark DeWolf wrote: Is there a way in Sea Monkey to import an entire site and work on it one page at a time? If you are referring to a page that calls other pages, and you just want to read them at your leisure while you are off-line, then File Save page as, gets the first page as a file and the other pages in a sub-directory, which the first page will call. My recollection is that the process you describe will only get the one page you are viewing, with the HTML in the directory where you save it, and supporting files for that one page (images, CSS, etc) in the subdirectory. It won't grab an entire site. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A question
Mason83 wrote on 11/01/2015 21:55: On 11/01/2015 21:15, Mark DeWolf wrote: Is there a way in Sea Monkey to import an entire site and work on it one page at a time? man curl man wget The op use : Apple Mail (2.1993) So your commands work on his system ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A question
On 11.01.15 23:32, Ray_Net wrote: Mason83 wrote on 11/01/2015 21:55: On 11/01/2015 21:15, Mark DeWolf wrote: Is there a way in Sea Monkey to import an entire site and work on it one page at a time? man curl man wget The op use : Apple Mail (2.1993) So your commands work on his system ? Sure, if he can get wget for apple computers.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A question
Mark DeWolf wrote: Is there a way in Sea Monkey to import an entire site and work on it one page at a time? If you are referring to a page that calls other pages, and you just want to read them at your leisure while you are off-line, then File Save page as, gets the first page as a file and the other pages in a sub-directory, which the first page will call. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another filter question
Jonathan N. Little wrote on 1/5/2015 11:14 PM: john sumner wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Only if the Filter Log is enabled. I believe it is dis-abled by default Otherse, the log file could grow enormously. Somone correct me if I'm wrong. And, no, I do not believe the filter log gives a count, just the actual filters applied. just checked it out ed, it does not have a count Nope, but you can use grep... in profile there is a Mail folder with contains a folder for each mail account. Example: mail.foo.com Each account with filters and the log enabled with have a file filterlog.html grep -c Applied filter filterlog.html to get count of all filters applied or grep -c Applied filter quot;Filter Namequot; filterlog.html to get count of specific filter named Filter Name ;-) Maybe there is an extension, or maybe someone should write one. I just opened it in my text editor, EditPad Pro, to search for applied filter and clicked the count matches button. :-) -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Transvestite: A guy who likes to eat, drink and be Mary. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another filter question
Ed Mullen wrote: Jonathan N. Little wrote on 1/5/2015 11:14 PM: I just opened it in my text editor, EditPad Pro, to search for applied filter and clicked the count matches button. :-) Yep will work too. Sorry I cannot live without my grep awk and sed! -- Take care, Jonathan --- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another filter question
Jonathan N. Little wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Jonathan N. Little wrote on 1/5/2015 11:14 PM: I just opened it in my text editor, EditPad Pro, to search for applied filter and clicked the count matches button. :-) Yep will work too. Sorry I cannot live without my grep awk and sed! And of course a simple Perl or shell script could generate a summary report one-click app! -- Take care, Jonathan --- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another filter question
john sumner wrote on 1/5/2015 7:50 PM: WaltS48 wrote: Does that give a count in SeaMonkey? I don't see one in Thunderbird. i will find that out myself Only if the Filter Log is enabled. I believe it is dis-abled by default Otherse, the log file could grow enormously. Somone correct me if I'm wrong. And, no, I do not believe the filter log gives a count, just the actual filters applied. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Why is there only one Monopolies commission? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: filter question
On 02/01/15 05:25, john sumner wrote: i think this might be a dumb question but how do i filter out people who post from google groups on seamonkey, or have it in a way so i know people are posting from there and if they are trolls i can plonk them from there John, if you are trying to filter individuals (rather than everyone) who post via Google Groups, have a look under Tools and create yourself a filter to mark messages from a particular email address as Read. The filter can apply to an individual news group, or, if you select the news server it can apply to all groups on that filter. HTH -- Daniel Seasons Greeting to One and All!! User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 Build identifier: 20141218225909 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 Build identifier: 20141218225525 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: filter question
On 01/01/2015 10:25 AM, john sumner wrote: i think this might be a dumb question but how do i filter out people who post from google groups on seamonkey, or have it in a way so i know people are posting from there and if they are trolls i can plonk them from there Easy way is to set a messge filter for news.mozilla.org (not just the user group) - this way the filter will apply to all news.mozilla.org groups that you subscribe to. Tools|Message Filters|Filters for: (use the dropdown to select news.mozilla.org)|New: Filter name: Injection-info: googlegroupps.com Apply filter when: x Manually Run x Getting New Mail o Match all of the following Click 'Subject' and select 'Injection-info' Click the blank box to the right of the 'contains' box and enter 'googlegroups.com' Perform these actions: select the dropdown box and select your preference (Delete Ignore thread, etc) Click 'OK' Click 'Filter Log' and check 'Enable the Filter Log' - you can then check the log after awhile see if the filter is working for you. Later, if you'd rather not use the disk space, you can clear the filter and turn it back off. Note: I previously had mine set to 'Delete', but unfortunately some developter/contributors use googlegroups exclusively for posting to some to the dev groups. Seems odd to me that a dev/contributor would use googlegroups to post to news.mozilla.org, but there you go... So I now set to 'Ignore Subthread' I can then check the thread later to see if it was spam or from a dev/contributor. Obviously you can set the filter for each news.mozilla.org group that you subscribe to, but then you need to remember to do so each time you subscribe to a group. msgFilterRules.dat: name=Injection-info: googlegroups.com enabled=yes type=20 action=Ignore subthread condition=AND (\injection-info\,contains,googlegroups.com) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question
Rufus wrote on 02/01/2015 22:31: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Lee wrote: Jacksonville, Fl is where I live but it is showing Richardson TX when I connect to Yahoo.com with Sea Monkey Browser Aha. http://yahoo.com/ ... Yes, there is an IP address geo-locater at that site for your weather and possibly other things as well. It's working for me, showing a town near where I live in New York State. As Paul said, clear your cache and yahoo cookies and try again. You could also try a different browser and see how it does. Also - if you there is a proxy (and it sounds like your ISP could be routing you through one) the page could be picking up the location of the proxy vice your actual location...I encounter this all the time at work surfing though Corporate links. Same as for me. When i click on https://weather.yahoo.com/ it shows the location of my ISP, not my location :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Lee wrote: Jacksonville, Fl is where I live but it is showing Richardson TX when I connect to Yahoo.com with Sea Monkey Browser Aha. http://yahoo.com/ ... Yes, there is an IP address geo-locater at that site for your weather and possibly other things as well. It's working for me, showing a town near where I live in New York State. As Paul said, clear your cache and yahoo cookies and try again. You could also try a different browser and see how it does. Also - if you there is a proxy (and it sounds like your ISP could be routing you through one) the page could be picking up the location of the proxy vice your actual location...I encounter this all the time at work surfing though Corporate links. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question
Lee wrote: Jacksonville, Fl is where I live but it is showing Richardson TX when I connect to Yahoo.com with Sea Monkey Browser Aha. http://yahoo.com/ ... Yes, there is an IP address geo-locater at that site for your weather and possibly other things as well. It's working for me, showing a town near where I live in New York State. As Paul said, clear your cache and yahoo cookies and try again. You could also try a different browser and see how it does. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question
Lee wrote: Jacksonville, Fl is where I live but it is showing Richardson TX when I connect to Yahoo.com with Sea Monkey Browser Try clearing cache and cookies and reloading. That might help the site forget its stupidity. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question
Jonathan N. Little wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Lee wrote: Jacksonville, Fl is where I live but it is showing Richardson TX when I connect to Yahoo.com with Sea Monkey Browser Aha. http://yahoo.com/ ... Yes, there is an IP address geo-locater at that site for your weather and possibly other things as well. It's working for me, showing a town near where I live in New York State. As Paul said, clear your cache and yahoo cookies and try again. You could also try a different browser and see how it does. Or simply just click the little location icon beside the City name and enter your correct zipcode. OP ISP may not correctly parse geo-locaters, when I when insane and desperate for broadband I tried cough - cough Hughesnet and ip geo-locaters put my location at the NOS in Kansas City Kansas a mere 800 miles off. Fair point. BTW anyone tempted by satellite broadband before you sign on the dotted line first find a heavy blunt object and beat yourself about the brain-pan until the inkling goes away. Depends on your circumstances. Years ago, it was the only game in town for me -- it was either satellite or dialup. I chose satellite and suffered with the consequences until the regional phone company got in the game and built out its fiber network. But I do understand your frustration. The worst was the initial requirement (later dropped) that I install and use AOHell. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: filter question
NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote in news:dridnxfo8qgiajvjnz2dnuu7-nmdn...@mozilla.org: On 01/01/2015 10:25 AM, john sumner wrote: i think this might be a dumb question but how do i filter out people who post from google groups on seamonkey, or have it in a way so i know people are posting from there and if they are trolls i can plonk them from there Easy way is to set a messge filter for news.mozilla.org (not just the user group) - this way the filter will apply to all news.mozilla.org groups that you subscribe to. Tools|Message Filters|Filters for: (use the dropdown to select news.mozilla.org)|New: Filter name: Injection-info: googlegroupps.com Apply filter when: x Manually Run x Getting New Mail o Match all of the following Click 'Subject' and select 'Injection-info' Click the blank box to the right of the 'contains' box and enter 'googlegroups.com' Perform these actions: select the dropdown box and select your preference (Delete Ignore thread, etc) Click 'OK' Click 'Filter Log' and check 'Enable the Filter Log' - you can then check the log after awhile see if the filter is working for you. Later, if you'd rather not use the disk space, you can clear the filter and turn it back off. Note: I previously had mine set to 'Delete', but unfortunately some developter/contributors use googlegroups exclusively for posting to some to the dev groups. Seems odd to me that a dev/contributor would use googlegroups to post to news.mozilla.org, but there you go... So I now set to 'Ignore Subthread' I can then check the thread later to see if it was spam or from a dev/contributor. Obviously you can set the filter for each news.mozilla.org group that you subscribe to, but then you need to remember to do so each time you subscribe to a group. msgFilterRules.dat: name=Injection-info: googlegroups.com enabled=yes type=20 action=Ignore subthread condition=AND (\injection-info\,contains,googlegroups.com) Ok thanks gentlemen for the info ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Question
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Lee wrote: Jacksonville, Fl is where I live but it is showing Richardson TX when I connect to Yahoo.com with Sea Monkey Browser Aha. http://yahoo.com/ ... Yes, there is an IP address geo-locater at that site for your weather and possibly other things as well. It's working for me, showing a town near where I live in New York State. As Paul said, clear your cache and yahoo cookies and try again. You could also try a different browser and see how it does. Or simply just click the little location icon beside the City name and enter your correct zipcode. OP ISP may not correctly parse geo-locaters, when I when insane and desperate for broadband I tried cough - cough Hughesnet and ip geo-locaters put my location at the NOS in Kansas City Kansas a mere 800 miles off. BTW anyone tempted by satellite broadband before you sign on the dotted line first find a heavy blunt object and beat yourself about the brain-pan until the inkling goes away. -- Take care, Jonathan --- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
filter question
i think this might be a dumb question but how do i filter out people who post from google groups on seamonkey, or have it in a way so i know people are posting from there and if they are trolls i can plonk them from there ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: filter question
Mason83 wrote: You can create a custom filter: If User-Agent is G2/1.0 Then Delete Message If you want to display the User-Agent, so you can decide on a case-by-case basis, consider the Mnenhy add-on: http://mnenhy.mozdev.org/ Regards. thanks mason ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windows 8.1 installation question
On 31/12/14 09:34, Dick Hoffman wrote: We are slowly moving off an XP system to a new computer under Win 8.1. I've installed SeaMonkey 2.30 and used Mozbackup to copy the profile from the XP system to the 8.1 system. On the XP system, my wife and I share a single SeaMonkey profile and share an email account. On the Win 8.1 system the profile was placed under my account as C:\Users\Dick\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla...)and when my wife signed on it built a new profile for her in her account as C:\Users\Jean\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla Is there a way to set up a profile folder in a common area somewhere so that we have one shared profile as we did under XP? If so where and how do I do it? Dick, I would tend to say Yes, but how you would go about it ... I don't know! On this computer, I dual boot Win7 and Mageia Linux and use the one profile, located on my Win E:\, for both OS's. I have very little knowledge of Win8, so am guessing. Is it possible for you to see and locations in your wife's system, maybe you can set Win8 up to have a common location that you both can see, and then do custom instillations of SM so it access the common profile in this common location. Apart from this, I have no idea. -- Daniel Seasons Greeting to One and All!! User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 Build identifier: 20141218225909 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 Build identifier: 20141218225525 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windows 8.1 installation question
Dick Hoffman wrote: We are slowly moving off an XP system to a new computer under Win 8.1. I've installed SeaMonkey 2.30 and used Mozbackup to copy the profile from the XP system to the 8.1 system. On the XP system, my wife and I share a single SeaMonkey profile and share an email account. On the Win 8.1 system the profile was placed under my account as C:\Users\Dick\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla...)and when my wife signed on it built a new profile for her in her account as C:\Users\Jean\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla Is there a way to set up a profile folder in a common area somewhere so that we have one shared profile as we did under XP? If so where and how do I do it? Two thoughts: 1) Does Win8 offer you the option of installing for All Users rather than for a particular user? You probably need to be an administrator... 2) Having installed in the two user directories, can you set one of the installations to point to the other profile? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windows 8.1 installation question
Daniel wrote: On 31/12/14 09:34, Dick Hoffman wrote: We are slowly moving off an XP system to a new computer under Win 8.1. I've installed SeaMonkey 2.30 and used Mozbackup to copy the profile from the XP system to the 8.1 system. On the XP system, my wife and I share a single SeaMonkey profile and share an email account. On the Win 8.1 system the profile was placed under my account as C:\Users\Dick\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla...)and when my wife signed on it built a new profile for her in her account as C:\Users\Jean\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla Is there a way to set up a profile folder in a common area somewhere so that we have one shared profile as we did under XP? If so where and how do I do it? Dick, I would tend to say Yes, but how you would go about it ... I don't know! On this computer, I dual boot Win7 and Mageia Linux and use the one profile, located on my Win E:\, for both OS's. I have very little knowledge of Win8, so am guessing. Is it possible for you to see and locations in your wife's system, maybe you can set Win8 up to have a common location that you both can see, and then do custom instillations of SM so it access the common profile in this common location. Apart from this, I have no idea. It can be done but it is a very bad idea, because you can really screw things up if you switch profiles while the former profile still has SeaMonkey running. A far better idea to share an email account with more than one user is to use IMAP and then different profiles would have access via a server to the same mail. But if you insist. Copy the WinXP profile folder [SOME_SALT].default to some commonly shared location on Win8.1. For this example I will choose C:\Users\Public\SeaMonkey The path to the profile will not be: C:\Users\Public\SeaMonkey\[SOME_SALT].default Then in each profile goto: %APPDATA%\Mozilla\SeaMonkey Edit the profile.ini [General] StartWithLastProfile=1 [Profile0] Name=default ; Change IsRelative for 1 to 0 IsRelative=0 ; comment out the existing NEW profile ; Path=Profiles/[WIN8.1_SALT].default ; and add absolute path to profile in Public Path=\Users\Public\SeaMonkey\[SOME_SALT].default Do this for both profiles with the same info. Of course you need to replace [SOME_SALT] with whatever your WinXP profile salt was. When you are in either profile will will be using the *same* profile folder. So this really is a bad idea. List of caveats * profile location must be writable from both profiles * you must fully logout from one profile before logging if from the other * it still might get foobared despite above precautions. -- Take care, Jonathan --- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windows 8.1 installation question
Jonathan N. Little wrote: It can be done but it is a very bad idea, because you can really screw things up if you switch profiles while the former profile still has SeaMonkey running. A far better idea to share an email account with more than one user is to use IMAP and then different profiles would have access via a server to the same mail. Firefox and Thunderbird have the same issues. It's really not a good idea to try to share a profile. Even if you've done it safely up until now, it's still a disaster waiting to happen. There's several better work-arounds: 1) Working from a common Windows user ID, as suggested elsewhere in this discussion; 2) If the server supports it, using IMAP, and where all your mail is stored on the server (and mirrored locally if desired). 3) I haven't played with it, but the Mozilla Sync tool might be usable. 4) If you're determined to stay with POP, there are ways of having multiple users share the same mailbox, although it takes some tinkering to do that. Primarily, that's a matter of adjusting mail retention settings (e.g., setting mail to not be deleted from the server immediately after download, typically for something like 15 or 30 days). When I've done this in the past, I find it also useful to add BCC: to myself, so that each profile access has copies of sent messages copied to the inbox. Plus, for the purposes of long-term storage, it generally helps if you designate one profile or the other as the Primary profile, and the other(s) as Secondary. That's not an official designation, just something you determine yourself. One additional twist -- for me, since I have several mail accounts, and I do the majority of my work from a specific profile on a specific machine, I do prefer POP, and I consider that to be my primary. However, I do mail access from a number extra points, including Thunderbird on my primary working machine, and Seamonkey, Thunderbird or web mail on other machines. In those other profiles, I use IMAP (because the servers support that), and in each instance, I tweak the client so that copies of sent mail are saved not to the Sent Mail folder, but to the Inbox. Additionally, on my primary POP client, I set retention for 15 days. With that setup, I have read access to virtually anything current, no matter which machine or client I'm using, and anything that I write on a secondary client will always be the inbox, where the primary POP client will download (and I can subsequently file in my archives). However, if you're in the process of moving to a new computer, now is a really good time to get away from trying to share a profile. Just because it's technically possible (and that you've done it in the past), doesn't mean that you should continue doing it. Smith ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windows 8.1 installation question
On 12/30/2014 5:34 PM, Dick Hoffman wrote: Thanks for all the replies to my query. I'm now mulling things over and am questioning why we need two accounts in Win8.1; setting up just one account that we share will satisfy Win8's requirement for an account but result in the more-or-less equivalent of what we have on the XP system. This may not be the most elegant solution but sounds like the easiest. (BTW, we are having similar issues with other software products that have profile-like components separate from their program folders, such as Open Office.) Dick ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Windows 8.1 installation question
We are slowly moving off an XP system to a new computer under Win 8.1. I've installed SeaMonkey 2.30 and used Mozbackup to copy the profile from the XP system to the 8.1 system. On the XP system, my wife and I share a single SeaMonkey profile and share an email account. On the Win 8.1 system the profile was placed under my account as C:\Users\Dick\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla...)and when my wife signed on it built a new profile for her in her account as C:\Users\Jean\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla Is there a way to set up a profile folder in a common area somewhere so that we have one shared profile as we did under XP? If so where and how do I do it? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
David E. Ross wrote: On 12/12/2014 9:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: This evening, I cleared all private data (including cache and cookies), and then visited nhl.com. Immediately after aborting their troublesome javascript,* I inspected my cookies and discovered that google.com had set a cookie. Now, my cookie policy at Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security | Cookies is Allow cookies for the originating website only (no third-party cookies). So how was Google able to set a cookie if I never visited their site? It's bad enough that they update their dossier on me when I visit their own sites, do they have to do it everywhere else, too?\ More to the point, how can I set SeaMonkey to do as it says and block third-party cookies? * -- They have a series of annoying scripts that grind SM to a halt and must be aborted before the site becomes usable. The URLs are constantly changing; today's version was at http://cdn.nhle.com/projects/ice3-ui/com.nhl.ice3.ui.t5.components/GlobalPageImports/dist/js/GlobalPageImports.min.js?v=8.9:1. And I'm constantly updating my custom filter in AdBlock Plus. That isn't my question. I ignore the presence of third-party cookies. I merely mark the file cookies.sqlite as read-only. Before that, I deleted all cookies and then carefully visited only those Web sites where I wanted cookies. I terminated SeaMonkey before marking the file read-only; that assured me that session-only cookies were deleted. Persistent cookies have an expiry date, and will not be used once they pass that date. You would have to keep on doing that every time you find a cookies is not working any more. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
On 12/14/2014 6:37 AM, WaltS48 wrote: On 12/14/2014 03:28 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 11:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 10:36 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: Have you tried the Allow cookies for the originating site only (no third-party cookies) setting? I refer you to my original query, which you apparently have not read. Slipped my mind when replying. Did you try a test profile, visit no web sites, check cookies. What did you find? See the response I gave to »Q« 16 minutes ago downthread. So you didn't try a test profile. Okay, I started my SeaMonkey with the test profile. Had the 2 Google cookies I mentioned earlier. Cleared cookies, history, cache, and everything else I could check. Restarted SeaMonkey with the test profile, had the 2 Google cookies again, repeated the Clear history, restart process and the 2 Google cookies come back on every restart. Let me set Block Cookies from This Website, the website being http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/, clear history, restart and they're back. Block Cookies from The Website under Tools Cookie Manager is still enabled. Let me try checking When removing, block the listed websites from setting future cookies in the Cookies tab of Data Manager and using Remove there also. APPLAUSE! No Google cookies! That was an adventure. :) An interesting one, but not really relevant to my query. I don't get Google cookies on startup as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. I don't get them merely by launching the browser as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. (I don't understand what clearing history has to do with cookies, but be that as it may...) I do get precisely one Google cookie by visiting nhl.com, and since Google isn't the originating site, that makes them third-party cookies, which SeaMonkey claims it's blocking. How can Google set a third-party cookie from nhl.com when my setting says to reject third-party cookies? I must conclude that SM's cookie-handling routine is not working correctly. Sorry for the unnecessary noise. Then you need to file a bug report, or nhl.com is setting it and it isn't a third-party cookie. Since a lot appears to be broken in SeaMonkey lately, you could switch to Firefox. If nhl.com is setting the cookie, then it is indeed a third-party cookie. My suspicion is that the nhl.com server is creating Web pages that include fragments (e.g., images, search boxes) supplied by Google or other sources. SeaMonkey is instructed by links and scripts within the nhl.com Web pages to request those fragments from third-party servers; the replies include cookies from those servers. I have the extension Live HTTP Headers from https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/seamonkey/addon/live-http-headers/. I used it while surfing the Web sites for the four financial institutions where I do online transactions. Two of those sites -- for credit unions -- requested fragments from Facebook servers. Since Facebook is now collecting information on Web users who do not even have Facebook accounts, I reread the privacy policies of those two credit unions and determined this situation violated their stated policies. One credit union modified their Web site almost immediately to stop pulling fragments from Facebook. I had to complain to the federal credit union regulators -- that they should force the credit union to abide by their own privacy policy -- before the other credit union took action. Note: The addons.mozilla.org page for Live HTTP Headers might indicate that it is not available for the current version of SeaMonkey. All it requires is a tweak for compatibility. -- David E. Ross I am sticking with SeaMonkey 2.26.1 until saved passwords can be used when autocomplete=off. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1064639. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
On 12/15/2014 10:02 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: NoOp wrote: Ah, forgot that I had adblock-plus turned on, went back and turned off adblock-plus reloaded the page - now I get the google NID cookie (and a billion others). Huh. ABP blocks the Google cookie but SM doesn't. That's because I've specifically set up filters in ABP to block most Google cookies. On the NHL.com site I'm showing these filters: ||google-analytics.com^ ||apis.google.com/js/* Clear cookies, cache et al - set cookies to not accept cookes from 3rd party sites, reload nhl.com only see cookies from hnl.com. That's been my routine, but I still get the Google NID cookie. I about:config check to see what is being set in network.cookie.cookieBehavior when you toggle between 'Block Cookies' and 'Allow cookies for the originating website only (no third-party cookies'. It should be switching between zero and one. The bug reports listed here might make an interesting read: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.cookie.cookieBehavior This may also be of interest: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Cookies_Preferences_in_Mozilla I don't know if there is a more recent version (later than 2004). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
On 12/15/2014 10:00 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: NoOp wrote: On 12/14/2014 12:28 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 11:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 10:36 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: Have you tried the Allow cookies for the originating site only (no third-party cookies) setting? I refer you to my original query, which you apparently have not read. Slipped my mind when replying. Did you try a test profile, visit no web sites, check cookies. What did you find? See the response I gave to »Q« 16 minutes ago downthread. So you didn't try a test profile. Okay, I started my SeaMonkey with the test profile. Had the 2 Google cookies I mentioned earlier. Cleared cookies, history, cache, and everything else I could check. Restarted SeaMonkey with the test profile, had the 2 Google cookies again, repeated the Clear history, restart process and the 2 Google cookies come back on every restart. Let me set Block Cookies from This Website, the website being http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/, clear history, restart and they're back. Block Cookies from The Website under Tools Cookie Manager is still enabled. Let me try checking When removing, block the listed websites from setting future cookies in the Cookies tab of Data Manager and using Remove there also. APPLAUSE! No Google cookies! That was an adventure. :) An interesting one, but not really relevant to my query. I don't get Google cookies on startup as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. I don't get them merely by launching the browser as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. (I don't understand what clearing history has to do with cookies, but be that as it may...) I do get precisely one Google cookie by visiting nhl.com, and since Google isn't the originating site, that makes them third-party cookies, which SeaMonkey claims it's blocking. How can Google set a third-party cookie from nhl.com when my setting says to reject third-party cookies? I must conclude that SM's cookie-handling routine is not working correctly. It must be from something other than just viewing the main page. If I allow cookies and visit nhl.com, I get cookies from: 207.net doubleclick.net imrworldwide.com nhl.com No Google cookie. Weird. Do you have Google cookies blocked in your Data Manager permissions? That was my AdBlock Plus settings (see other reply). I don't see the first three (I assume you mean 2o7.net) because they're listed with blocks in my permissions list. Yes, typo - should be 2o7.net OT: The 2o7.net cookie is interesting... in the SeaMonkey cookie manager the content merely shows (in this instance): Content: 84542986.5892. However, AdBlockPlus shows the actual info that the are gathering: http://nhl.112.2o7.net/b/ss/nhlnhlleaguecom,nhlglobal/1/H.25.4/s59635920441447?AQB=1pccr=truevidn=2A482E310501352F-4138C0247763ndh=1t=16%2F11%2F2014%208%3A22%3A57%202%20480fid=4B1CB8D773B42251-1A2D27C3FD024F38ns=nhlpageName=nhl%3Aen%3Ahomepage%3Aindexg=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nhl.com%2Fcc=USDch=homepageevents=event2c1=indexv3=D%3DpageNamev4=D%3Dchc5=nhlv5=nhlc6=11%3A00%20amv6=11%3A00%20amc7=tuesdayv7=tuesdayc8=weekdayv8=weekdayc9=pagev9=D%3Dc9c13=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nhl.com%2Fc16=leaguev18=registered-not%20logged%20inc23=NHL.com%20-%20The%20National%20Hockey%20Leaguev33=D%3Dc1c36=nov36=D%3Dc16c48=en-usv60=D%3Dc36v74=D%3Dc48h1=homepage%2Cindexs=1366x768c=24j=1.8.5v=Nk=Ybw=1366bh=291p=DivX%20Browser%20Plug-In%3BDivX%C2%AE%20Web%20Player%3BGnome%20Shell%20Integration%3BQuickTime%20Plug-in%207.6.6%3BQuickTime%20Plug-in%207.6.9%3BRealPlayer%209%3BShockwave%20Flash%3BVLC%20Multimedia%20Plugin%20%28compatible%20Videos%203.10.1%29%3BWindows%20Media%20Play er%20Plug-in%3BWindows%20Media%20Player%20Plug-in%2010%20%28compatible%3B%20Videos%29%3BiTunes%20Application%20Detector%3Bmplayerplug-in%20is%20now%20gecko-mediaplayer%201.0.8%3BAQE=1 btw: 2o7.net is an Adobe Co cookie: http://www.adobe.com/privacy/analytics.html?f=2o7 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: EE wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 11:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 10:36 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: Have you tried the Allow cookies for the originating site only (no third-party cookies) setting? I refer you to my original query, which you apparently have not read. Slipped my mind when replying. Did you try a test profile, visit no web sites, check cookies. What did you find? See the response I gave to »Q« 16 minutes ago downthread. So you didn't try a test profile. Okay, I started my SeaMonkey with the test profile. Had the 2 Google cookies I mentioned earlier. Cleared cookies, history, cache, and everything else I could check. Restarted SeaMonkey with the test profile, had the 2 Google cookies again, repeated the Clear history, restart process and the 2 Google cookies come back on every restart. Let me set Block Cookies from This Website, the website being http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/, clear history, restart and they're back. Block Cookies from The Website under Tools Cookie Manager is still enabled. Let me try checking When removing, block the listed websites from setting future cookies in the Cookies tab of Data Manager and using Remove there also. APPLAUSE! No Google cookies! That was an adventure. :) An interesting one, but not really relevant to my query. I don't get Google cookies on startup as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. I don't get them merely by launching the browser as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. (I don't understand what clearing history has to do with cookies, but be that as it may...) I do get precisely one Google cookie by visiting nhl.com, and since Google isn't the originating site, that makes them third-party cookies, which SeaMonkey claims it's blocking. How can Google set a third-party cookie from nhl.com when my setting says to reject third-party cookies? I must conclude that SM's cookie-handling routine is not working correctly. You could default to blocking cookies and make exceptions for those that you need. I do that, and I have no unwanted cookies. A tempting idea, I'll grant you. But it would be a hassle because so many sites malfunction without them; it would take years to build up a list of exceptions from scratch. Still, I'm sorely tempted... You could use a cookie handling extension which makes it much less hassle to add exceptions. I use CS Lite. It gives a good interface for cookie handling and viewing. I did have to bump up the max version for SeaMonkey in the install.rdf file in the installer to get it to install, but it works. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question (SOLVED)
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Apparently there's a difference between Accept cookies for current session only and Allow for Session, which could only make sense to a computer. I would interpret the first setting as meaning to allow cookies for this session, but no further sessions. The Allow for Session keeps cookies in RAM, not on the hard drive, and they disappear when you close the browser. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: Using my production profile for SeaMonkey. I just set my *Cookie Acceptance Policy* to Allow cookies for the original website (no third-party cookies). Left the *Cookie Retention Policy* set to Accept Cookies Normally. OK, your policy is the same as mine except for Accept cookies normally (I have Accept cookies for current session only). Let's see what happens if I change to your setting... No difference, I still get the Google NID cookie and the NHL cookie set. I restored the setting to Accept cookies for current session only. Now here's something weird... You already know my default policy is to accept only session cookies. I looked at the permissions for google.com in the Data Manager, and it said Allow for Session, which sounds like the same thing, right? But if they're the same thing, SM wouldn't remember the google.com setting, would it? So I checked the box to Use default, and now I don't get the Google cookie. Apparently there's a difference between Accept cookies for current session only and Allow for Session, which could only make sense to a computer. Perhaps the allow for session permission specifically for google.com overrides the global default no third-party cookies setting, allowing google.com cookies for the session even if they're third-party cookies. Whether or not that's correct/expected behaviour is another question... It would be clearer if the site-specific permissions reflected the range of options available under Edit Preferences Privacy Security. Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
On 12/12/2014 9:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: This evening, I cleared all private data (including cache and cookies), and then visited nhl.com. Immediately after aborting their troublesome javascript,* I inspected my cookies and discovered that google.com had set a cookie. Now, my cookie policy at Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security | Cookies is Allow cookies for the originating website only (no third-party cookies). So how was Google able to set a cookie if I never visited their site? It's bad enough that they update their dossier on me when I visit their own sites, do they have to do it everywhere else, too?\ More to the point, how can I set SeaMonkey to do as it says and block third-party cookies? * -- They have a series of annoying scripts that grind SM to a halt and must be aborted before the site becomes usable. The URLs are constantly changing; today's version was at http://cdn.nhle.com/projects/ice3-ui/com.nhl.ice3.ui.t5.components/GlobalPageImports/dist/js/GlobalPageImports.min.js?v=8.9:1. And I'm constantly updating my custom filter in AdBlock Plus. That isn't my question. I ignore the presence of third-party cookies. I merely mark the file cookies.sqlite as read-only. Before that, I deleted all cookies and then carefully visited only those Web sites where I wanted cookies. I terminated SeaMonkey before marking the file read-only; that assured me that session-only cookies were deleted. -- David E. Ross I am sticking with SeaMonkey 2.26.1 until saved passwords can be used when autocomplete=off. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1064639. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
NoOp wrote: On 12/14/2014 12:28 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 11:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 10:36 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: Have you tried the Allow cookies for the originating site only (no third-party cookies) setting? I refer you to my original query, which you apparently have not read. Slipped my mind when replying. Did you try a test profile, visit no web sites, check cookies. What did you find? See the response I gave to »Q« 16 minutes ago downthread. So you didn't try a test profile. Okay, I started my SeaMonkey with the test profile. Had the 2 Google cookies I mentioned earlier. Cleared cookies, history, cache, and everything else I could check. Restarted SeaMonkey with the test profile, had the 2 Google cookies again, repeated the Clear history, restart process and the 2 Google cookies come back on every restart. Let me set Block Cookies from This Website, the website being http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/, clear history, restart and they're back. Block Cookies from The Website under Tools Cookie Manager is still enabled. Let me try checking When removing, block the listed websites from setting future cookies in the Cookies tab of Data Manager and using Remove there also. APPLAUSE! No Google cookies! That was an adventure. :) An interesting one, but not really relevant to my query. I don't get Google cookies on startup as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. I don't get them merely by launching the browser as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. (I don't understand what clearing history has to do with cookies, but be that as it may...) I do get precisely one Google cookie by visiting nhl.com, and since Google isn't the originating site, that makes them third-party cookies, which SeaMonkey claims it's blocking. How can Google set a third-party cookie from nhl.com when my setting says to reject third-party cookies? I must conclude that SM's cookie-handling routine is not working correctly. It must be from something other than just viewing the main page. If I allow cookies and visit nhl.com, I get cookies from: 207.net doubleclick.net imrworldwide.com nhl.com No Google cookie. Weird. Do you have Google cookies blocked in your Data Manager permissions? I don't see the first three (I assume you mean 2o7.net) because they're listed with blocks in my permissions list. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
NoOp wrote: Ah, forgot that I had adblock-plus turned on, went back and turned off adblock-plus reloaded the page - now I get the google NID cookie (and a billion others). Huh. ABP blocks the Google cookie but SM doesn't. Clear cookies, cache et al - set cookies to not accept cookes from 3rd party sites, reload nhl.com only see cookies from hnl.com. That's been my routine, but I still get the Google NID cookie. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
EE wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 11:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 10:36 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: Have you tried the Allow cookies for the originating site only (no third-party cookies) setting? I refer you to my original query, which you apparently have not read. Slipped my mind when replying. Did you try a test profile, visit no web sites, check cookies. What did you find? See the response I gave to »Q« 16 minutes ago downthread. So you didn't try a test profile. Okay, I started my SeaMonkey with the test profile. Had the 2 Google cookies I mentioned earlier. Cleared cookies, history, cache, and everything else I could check. Restarted SeaMonkey with the test profile, had the 2 Google cookies again, repeated the Clear history, restart process and the 2 Google cookies come back on every restart. Let me set Block Cookies from This Website, the website being http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/, clear history, restart and they're back. Block Cookies from The Website under Tools Cookie Manager is still enabled. Let me try checking When removing, block the listed websites from setting future cookies in the Cookies tab of Data Manager and using Remove there also. APPLAUSE! No Google cookies! That was an adventure. :) An interesting one, but not really relevant to my query. I don't get Google cookies on startup as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. I don't get them merely by launching the browser as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. (I don't understand what clearing history has to do with cookies, but be that as it may...) I do get precisely one Google cookie by visiting nhl.com, and since Google isn't the originating site, that makes them third-party cookies, which SeaMonkey claims it's blocking. How can Google set a third-party cookie from nhl.com when my setting says to reject third-party cookies? I must conclude that SM's cookie-handling routine is not working correctly. You could default to blocking cookies and make exceptions for those that you need. I do that, and I have no unwanted cookies. A tempting idea, I'll grant you. But it would be a hassle because so many sites malfunction without them; it would take years to build up a list of exceptions from scratch. Still, I'm sorely tempted... -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question (SOLVED)
WaltS48 wrote: Using my production profile for SeaMonkey. I just set my *Cookie Acceptance Policy* to Allow cookies for the original website (no third-party cookies). Left the *Cookie Retention Policy* set to Accept Cookies Normally. OK, your policy is the same as mine except for Accept cookies normally (I have Accept cookies for current session only). Let's see what happens if I change to your setting... No difference, I still get the Google NID cookie and the NHL cookie set. I restored the setting to Accept cookies for current session only. Now here's something weird... You already know my default policy is to accept only session cookies. I looked at the permissions for google.com in the Data Manager, and it said Allow for Session, which sounds like the same thing, right? But if they're the same thing, SM wouldn't remember the google.com setting, would it? So I checked the box to Use default, and now I don't get the Google cookie. Apparently there's a difference between Accept cookies for current session only and Allow for Session, which could only make sense to a computer. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 11:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 10:36 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: Have you tried the Allow cookies for the originating site only (no third-party cookies) setting? I refer you to my original query, which you apparently have not read. Slipped my mind when replying. Did you try a test profile, visit no web sites, check cookies. What did you find? See the response I gave to »Q« 16 minutes ago downthread. So you didn't try a test profile. Okay, I started my SeaMonkey with the test profile. Had the 2 Google cookies I mentioned earlier. Cleared cookies, history, cache, and everything else I could check. Restarted SeaMonkey with the test profile, had the 2 Google cookies again, repeated the Clear history, restart process and the 2 Google cookies come back on every restart. Let me set Block Cookies from This Website, the website being http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/, clear history, restart and they're back. Block Cookies from The Website under Tools Cookie Manager is still enabled. Let me try checking When removing, block the listed websites from setting future cookies in the Cookies tab of Data Manager and using Remove there also. APPLAUSE! No Google cookies! That was an adventure. :) An interesting one, but not really relevant to my query. I don't get Google cookies on startup as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. I don't get them merely by launching the browser as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. (I don't understand what clearing history has to do with cookies, but be that as it may...) I do get precisely one Google cookie by visiting nhl.com, and since Google isn't the originating site, that makes them third-party cookies, which SeaMonkey claims it's blocking. How can Google set a third-party cookie from nhl.com when my setting says to reject third-party cookies? I must conclude that SM's cookie-handling routine is not working correctly. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
On 12/14/2014 03:28 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 11:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 10:36 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: Have you tried the Allow cookies for the originating site only (no third-party cookies) setting? I refer you to my original query, which you apparently have not read. Slipped my mind when replying. Did you try a test profile, visit no web sites, check cookies. What did you find? See the response I gave to »Q« 16 minutes ago downthread. So you didn't try a test profile. Okay, I started my SeaMonkey with the test profile. Had the 2 Google cookies I mentioned earlier. Cleared cookies, history, cache, and everything else I could check. Restarted SeaMonkey with the test profile, had the 2 Google cookies again, repeated the Clear history, restart process and the 2 Google cookies come back on every restart. Let me set Block Cookies from This Website, the website being http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/, clear history, restart and they're back. Block Cookies from The Website under Tools Cookie Manager is still enabled. Let me try checking When removing, block the listed websites from setting future cookies in the Cookies tab of Data Manager and using Remove there also. APPLAUSE! No Google cookies! That was an adventure. :) An interesting one, but not really relevant to my query. I don't get Google cookies on startup as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. I don't get them merely by launching the browser as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. (I don't understand what clearing history has to do with cookies, but be that as it may...) I do get precisely one Google cookie by visiting nhl.com, and since Google isn't the originating site, that makes them third-party cookies, which SeaMonkey claims it's blocking. How can Google set a third-party cookie from nhl.com when my setting says to reject third-party cookies? I must conclude that SM's cookie-handling routine is not working correctly. Sorry for the unnecessary noise. Then you need to file a bug report, or nhl.com is setting it and it isn't a third-party cookie. Since a lot appears to be broken in SeaMonkey lately, you could switch to Firefox. -- One of the millions of Firefox makes me happy users https://input.mozilla.org/en-US/feedback/firefox/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
On 12/14/14, Paul B. Gallagher pau...@pbgdashtranslations.com wrote:
WaltS48 wrote:
On 12/13/2014 11:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
WaltS48 wrote:
On 12/13/2014 10:36 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
WaltS48 wrote:
Have you tried the Allow cookies for the originating site only (no
third-party cookies) setting?
I refer you to my original query, which you apparently have not read.
Slipped my mind when replying.
Did you try a test profile, visit no web sites, check cookies. What did
you find?
See the response I gave to »Q« 16 minutes ago downthread.
So you didn't try a test profile.
Okay, I started my SeaMonkey with the test profile. Had the 2 Google
cookies I mentioned earlier. Cleared cookies, history, cache, and
everything else I could check.
Restarted SeaMonkey with the test profile, had the 2 Google cookies
again, repeated the Clear history, restart process and the 2 Google
cookies come back on every restart.
Let me set Block Cookies from This Website, the website being
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/, clear history, restart and
they're back. Block Cookies from The Website under Tools Cookie
Manager is still enabled.
Let me try checking When removing, block the listed websites from
setting future cookies in the Cookies tab of Data Manager and using
Remove there also. APPLAUSE! No Google cookies!
That was an adventure. :)
An interesting one, but not really relevant to my query.
I don't get Google cookies on startup as you do, so I don't need to cure
a problem I don't have.
I don't get them merely by launching the browser as you do, so I don't
need to cure a problem I don't have.
(I don't understand what clearing history has to do with cookies, but be
that as it may...)
I do get precisely one Google cookie by visiting nhl.com, and since
Google isn't the originating site, that makes them third-party cookies,
which SeaMonkey claims it's blocking.
How can Google set a third-party cookie from nhl.com when my setting
says to reject third-party cookies? I must conclude that SM's
cookie-handling routine is not working correctly.
I went to nhl.com did a view source - could this
script type='text/javascript'
src='http://www.googletagservices.com/tag/js/gpt.js'
or this
(function() {
var po = document.createElement('script'); po.type =
'text/javascript'; po.async = true;
po.src = 'https://apis.google.com/js/plusone.js?onload=onLoadCallback';
var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0];
s.parentNode.insertBefore(po, s);
})();
set a first-party cookie?
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Re: Third-party cookie question
On 12/14/2014 12:28 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 11:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 10:36 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: Have you tried the Allow cookies for the originating site only (no third-party cookies) setting? I refer you to my original query, which you apparently have not read. Slipped my mind when replying. Did you try a test profile, visit no web sites, check cookies. What did you find? See the response I gave to »Q« 16 minutes ago downthread. So you didn't try a test profile. Okay, I started my SeaMonkey with the test profile. Had the 2 Google cookies I mentioned earlier. Cleared cookies, history, cache, and everything else I could check. Restarted SeaMonkey with the test profile, had the 2 Google cookies again, repeated the Clear history, restart process and the 2 Google cookies come back on every restart. Let me set Block Cookies from This Website, the website being http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/, clear history, restart and they're back. Block Cookies from The Website under Tools Cookie Manager is still enabled. Let me try checking When removing, block the listed websites from setting future cookies in the Cookies tab of Data Manager and using Remove there also. APPLAUSE! No Google cookies! That was an adventure. :) An interesting one, but not really relevant to my query. I don't get Google cookies on startup as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. I don't get them merely by launching the browser as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. (I don't understand what clearing history has to do with cookies, but be that as it may...) I do get precisely one Google cookie by visiting nhl.com, and since Google isn't the originating site, that makes them third-party cookies, which SeaMonkey claims it's blocking. How can Google set a third-party cookie from nhl.com when my setting says to reject third-party cookies? I must conclude that SM's cookie-handling routine is not working correctly. It must be from something other than just viewing the main page. If I allow cookies and visit nhl.com, I get cookies from: 207.net doubleclick.net imrworldwide.com nhl.com No Google cookie. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
On 12/14/2014 09:51 AM, NoOp wrote: On 12/14/2014 12:28 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: ... (I don't understand what clearing history has to do with cookies, but be that as it may...) I do get precisely one Google cookie by visiting nhl.com, and since Google isn't the originating site, that makes them third-party cookies, which SeaMonkey claims it's blocking. How can Google set a third-party cookie from nhl.com when my setting says to reject third-party cookies? I must conclude that SM's cookie-handling routine is not working correctly. It must be from something other than just viewing the main page. If I allow cookies and visit nhl.com, I get cookies from: 207.net doubleclick.net imrworldwide.com nhl.com No Google cookie. Ah, forgot that I had adblock-plus turned on, went back and turned off adblock-plus reloaded the page - now I get the google NID cookie (and a billion others). Clear cookies, cache et al - set cookies to not accept cookes from 3rd party sites, reload nhl.com only see cookies from hnl.com. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
On 12/14/2014 12:59 PM, NoOp wrote: On 12/14/2014 09:51 AM, NoOp wrote: On 12/14/2014 12:28 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: ... (I don't understand what clearing history has to do with cookies, but be that as it may...) I do get precisely one Google cookie by visiting nhl.com, and since Google isn't the originating site, that makes them third-party cookies, which SeaMonkey claims it's blocking. How can Google set a third-party cookie from nhl.com when my setting says to reject third-party cookies? I must conclude that SM's cookie-handling routine is not working correctly. It must be from something other than just viewing the main page. If I allow cookies and visit nhl.com, I get cookies from: 207.net doubleclick.net imrworldwide.com nhl.com No Google cookie. Ah, forgot that I had adblock-plus turned on, went back and turned off adblock-plus reloaded the page - now I get the google NID cookie (and a billion others). Clear cookies, cache et al - set cookies to not accept cookes from 3rd party sites, reload nhl.com only see cookies from hnl.com. Using my production profile for SeaMonkey. I just set my *Cookie Acceptance Policy* to Allow cookies for the original website (no third-party cookies). Left the *Cookie Retention Policy* set to Accept Cookies Normally. Removed all nhl.com and google.com cookies and cleared Private Data. Restarted SeaMonkey, went to nhl.com, did not see the google.com NID cookie. Retested several times without restarting SeaMonkey with the same result. No NID cookie was set. It appears to me that Allow cookies for the original website (no third-party cookies) is working correctly here and with your SeaMonkey. -- One of the millions of Firefox makes me happy users https://input.mozilla.org/en-US/feedback/firefox/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: EE wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: This evening, I cleared all private data (including cache and cookies), and then visited nhl.com. Immediately after aborting their troublesome javascript,* I inspected my cookies and discovered that google.com had set a cookie. Now, my cookie policy at Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security | Cookies is Allow cookies for the originating website only (no third-party cookies). So how was Google able to set a cookie if I never visited their site? It's bad enough that they update their dossier on me when I visit their own sites, do they have to do it everywhere else, too?\ More to the point, how can I set SeaMonkey to do as it says and block third-party cookies? * -- They have a series of annoying scripts that grind SM to a halt and must be aborted before the site becomes usable. The URLs are constantly changing; today's version was at http://cdn.nhle.com/projects/ice3-ui/com.nhl.ice3.ui.t5.components/GlobalPageImports/dist/js/GlobalPageImports.min.js?v=8.9:1. And I'm constantly updating my custom filter in AdBlock Plus. That isn't my question. Even though I default to blocking cookies, I added an exception to block Google cookies, just to make sure. That works. I have no Google cookies. That's problematic for me because I do have a gmail account and sometimes use it to login to other sites (as soon as I'm done, I clear the cookies and resume living privately). nhl.com is not one of those, and AFAIK has not been bought by Google the way Yahoo has. I thought it was Microsoft that bought Yahoo? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 11:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 10:36 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: Have you tried the Allow cookies for the originating site only (no third-party cookies) setting? I refer you to my original query, which you apparently have not read. Slipped my mind when replying. Did you try a test profile, visit no web sites, check cookies. What did you find? See the response I gave to »Q« 16 minutes ago downthread. So you didn't try a test profile. Okay, I started my SeaMonkey with the test profile. Had the 2 Google cookies I mentioned earlier. Cleared cookies, history, cache, and everything else I could check. Restarted SeaMonkey with the test profile, had the 2 Google cookies again, repeated the Clear history, restart process and the 2 Google cookies come back on every restart. Let me set Block Cookies from This Website, the website being http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/, clear history, restart and they're back. Block Cookies from The Website under Tools Cookie Manager is still enabled. Let me try checking When removing, block the listed websites from setting future cookies in the Cookies tab of Data Manager and using Remove there also. APPLAUSE! No Google cookies! That was an adventure. :) An interesting one, but not really relevant to my query. I don't get Google cookies on startup as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. I don't get them merely by launching the browser as you do, so I don't need to cure a problem I don't have. (I don't understand what clearing history has to do with cookies, but be that as it may...) I do get precisely one Google cookie by visiting nhl.com, and since Google isn't the originating site, that makes them third-party cookies, which SeaMonkey claims it's blocking. How can Google set a third-party cookie from nhl.com when my setting says to reject third-party cookies? I must conclude that SM's cookie-handling routine is not working correctly. You could default to blocking cookies and make exceptions for those that you need. I do that, and I have no unwanted cookies. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: This evening, I cleared all private data (including cache and cookies), and then visited nhl.com. Immediately after aborting their troublesome javascript,* I inspected my cookies and discovered that google.com had set a cookie. Now, my cookie policy at Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security | Cookies is Allow cookies for the originating website only (no third-party cookies). So how was Google able to set a cookie if I never visited their site? It's bad enough that they update their dossier on me when I visit their own sites, do they have to do it everywhere else, too?\ More to the point, how can I set SeaMonkey to do as it says and block third-party cookies? * -- They have a series of annoying scripts that grind SM to a halt and must be aborted before the site becomes usable. The URLs are constantly changing; today's version was at http://cdn.nhle.com/projects/ice3-ui/com.nhl.ice3.ui.t5.components/GlobalPageImports/dist/js/GlobalPageImports.min.js?v=8.9:1. And I'm constantly updating my custom filter in AdBlock Plus. That isn't my question. Even though I default to blocking cookies, I added an exception to block Google cookies, just to make sure. That works. I have no Google cookies. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
EE wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: This evening, I cleared all private data (including cache and cookies), and then visited nhl.com. Immediately after aborting their troublesome javascript,* I inspected my cookies and discovered that google.com had set a cookie. Now, my cookie policy at Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security | Cookies is Allow cookies for the originating website only (no third-party cookies). So how was Google able to set a cookie if I never visited their site? It's bad enough that they update their dossier on me when I visit their own sites, do they have to do it everywhere else, too?\ More to the point, how can I set SeaMonkey to do as it says and block third-party cookies? * -- They have a series of annoying scripts that grind SM to a halt and must be aborted before the site becomes usable. The URLs are constantly changing; today's version was at http://cdn.nhle.com/projects/ice3-ui/com.nhl.ice3.ui.t5.components/GlobalPageImports/dist/js/GlobalPageImports.min.js?v=8.9:1. And I'm constantly updating my custom filter in AdBlock Plus. That isn't my question. Even though I default to blocking cookies, I added an exception to block Google cookies, just to make sure. That works. I have no Google cookies. That's problematic for me because I do have a gmail account and sometimes use it to login to other sites (as soon as I'm done, I clear the cookies and resume living privately). nhl.com is not one of those, and AFAIK has not been bought by Google the way Yahoo has. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: EE wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: This evening, I cleared all private data (including cache and cookies), and then visited nhl.com. Immediately after aborting their troublesome javascript,* I inspected my cookies and discovered that google.com had set a cookie. Now, my cookie policy at Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security | Cookies is Allow cookies for the originating website only (no third-party cookies). So how was Google able to set a cookie if I never visited their site? It's bad enough that they update their dossier on me when I visit their own sites, do they have to do it everywhere else, too?\ More to the point, how can I set SeaMonkey to do as it says and block third-party cookies? * -- They have a series of annoying scripts that grind SM to a halt and must be aborted before the site becomes usable. The URLs are constantly changing; today's version was at http://cdn.nhle.com/projects/ice3-ui/com.nhl.ice3.ui.t5.components/GlobalPageImports/dist/js/GlobalPageImports.min.js?v=8.9:1. And I'm constantly updating my custom filter in AdBlock Plus. That isn't my question. Even though I default to blocking cookies, I added an exception to block Google cookies, just to make sure. That works. I have no Google cookies. That's problematic for me because I do have a gmail account and sometimes use it to login to other sites (as soon as I'm done, I clear the cookies and resume living privately). nhl.com is not one of those, and AFAIK has not been bought by Google the way Yahoo has. I'm afraid that Google is among those who insist on setting cookies. Check out this link - https://www.facebook.com/SafariUsersAgainstGooglesSecretTracking ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
HilsB wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: EE wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: This evening, I cleared all private data (including cache and cookies), and then visited nhl.com. Immediately after aborting their troublesome javascript,* I inspected my cookies and discovered that google.com had set a cookie. Now, my cookie policy at Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security | Cookies is Allow cookies for the originating website only (no third-party cookies). So how was Google able to set a cookie if I never visited their site? It's bad enough that they update their dossier on me when I visit their own sites, do they have to do it everywhere else, too?\ More to the point, how can I set SeaMonkey to do as it says and block third-party cookies? * -- They have a series of annoying scripts that grind SM to a halt and must be aborted before the site becomes usable. The URLs are constantly changing; today's version was at http://cdn.nhle.com/projects/ice3-ui/com.nhl.ice3.ui.t5.components/GlobalPageImports/dist/js/GlobalPageImports.min.js?v=8.9:1. And I'm constantly updating my custom filter in AdBlock Plus. That isn't my question. Even though I default to blocking cookies, I added an exception to block Google cookies, just to make sure. That works. I have no Google cookies. That's problematic for me because I do have a gmail account and sometimes use it to login to other sites (as soon as I'm done, I clear the cookies and resume living privately). nhl.com is not one of those, and AFAIK has not been bought by Google the way Yahoo has. I'm afraid that Google is among those who insist on setting cookies. Check out this link - https://www.facebook.com/SafariUsersAgainstGooglesSecretTracking Well aware of that, as I've said twice already. WTF does this have to do with nhl.com? And how can I get SeaMonkey to honor its promise to reject third-party cookies? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Google/Yahoo (was: Re: Third-party cookie question)
On 14/12/14 06:22, Paul B. Gallagher wrote Snip That's problematic for me because I do have a gmail account and sometimes use it to login to other sites (as soon as I'm done, I clear the cookies and resume living privately). nhl.com is not one of those, and AFAIK has not been bought by Google the way Yahoo has. Sorry, Paul, are you suggesting Google owns Yahoo?? I would have thought there would have been some sort of anti-competition thing going on if this were the case! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.29 Build identifier: 20140829003846 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:34.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.31 Build identifier: 20141020202138 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
On 12/13/2014 07:32 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: HilsB wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: EE wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: This evening, I cleared all private data (including cache and cookies), and then visited nhl.com. Immediately after aborting their troublesome javascript,* I inspected my cookies and discovered that google.com had set a cookie. Now, my cookie policy at Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security | Cookies is Allow cookies for the originating website only (no third-party cookies). So how was Google able to set a cookie if I never visited their site? It's bad enough that they update their dossier on me when I visit their own sites, do they have to do it everywhere else, too?\ More to the point, how can I set SeaMonkey to do as it says and block third-party cookies? * -- They have a series of annoying scripts that grind SM to a halt and must be aborted before the site becomes usable. The URLs are constantly changing; today's version was at http://cdn.nhle.com/projects/ice3-ui/com.nhl.ice3.ui.t5.components/GlobalPageImports/dist/js/GlobalPageImports.min.js?v=8.9:1. And I'm constantly updating my custom filter in AdBlock Plus. That isn't my question. Even though I default to blocking cookies, I added an exception to block Google cookies, just to make sure. That works. I have no Google cookies. That's problematic for me because I do have a gmail account and sometimes use it to login to other sites (as soon as I'm done, I clear the cookies and resume living privately). nhl.com is not one of those, and AFAIK has not been bought by Google the way Yahoo has. I'm afraid that Google is among those who insist on setting cookies. Check out this link - https://www.facebook.com/SafariUsersAgainstGooglesSecretTracking Well aware of that, as I've said twice already. WTF does this have to do with nhl.com? And how can I get SeaMonkey to honor its promise to reject third-party cookies? Start SeaMonkey with a test profile. Check cookies. I'll bet you see one for Google, as it is most likely set by the Google default search engine. My test profile had two Google cookies. Same name PREF, two different Content: ID's. Have you tried the Allow cookies for the originating site only (no third-party cookies) setting? -- One of the millions of Firefox makes me happy users https://input.mozilla.org/en-US/feedback/firefox/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
In news:i5udnddvg6jvvxbjnz2dnuu7-qmdn...@mozilla.org, Paul B. Gallagher pau...@pbgdashtranslations.com wrote: This evening, I cleared all private data (including cache and cookies), and then visited nhl.com. Immediately after aborting their troublesome javascript,* I inspected my cookies and discovered that google.com had set a cookie. Now, my cookie policy at Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security | Cookies is Allow cookies for the originating website only (no third-party cookies). So how was Google able to set a cookie if I never visited their site? My first guess is that it's the Google safebrowsing cookie. The browser connects to Google to get its lists of bad sites. After reports that the NSA was using the Google safebrowsing cookie to track people, Mozilla took a look at blocking the cookie, but AIUI it turned out that the safebrowsing API requires a cookie in order to work at all. It looks like they decided to sandbox the cookie somehow; I don't understand the details. I think they also got Google to promise never ever to use it for tracking or building dossiers. FWIW, the bugs are https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368255 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=897516 It's bad enough that they update their dossier on me when I visit their own sites, do they have to do it everywhere else, too?\ More to the point, how can I set SeaMonkey to do as it says and block third-party cookies? If my guess is right, turning off the safebrowsing features should do it. I dunno where they are in the SM UI. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
WaltS48 wrote: Have you tried the Allow cookies for the originating site only (no third-party cookies) setting? I refer you to my original query, which you apparently have not read. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
»Q« wrote: In news:i5udnddvg6jvvxbjnz2dnuu7-qmdn...@mozilla.org, Paul B. Gallagher pau...@pbgdashtranslations.com wrote: This evening, I cleared all private data (including cache and cookies), and then visited nhl.com. Immediately after aborting their troublesome javascript,* I inspected my cookies and discovered that google.com had set a cookie. Now, my cookie policy at Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security | Cookies is Allow cookies for the originating website only (no third-party cookies). So how was Google able to set a cookie if I never visited their site? My first guess is that it's the Google safebrowsing cookie. ... I don't think so. I tested as follows: From the last surviving browser window, clear private data (includes cookies and cache). Close the browser window. Open a fresh browser window, which by pref opens a blank page. Check cookies, nothing. Go to home page (my company website, which does not set cookies). Check cookies, nothing. Note that I have both safe browsing options enabled at Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security. I therefore conclude that Google is not setting a cookie on browser startup, and it's not setting one in order to evaluate whether my company website is or is not dangerous. The Google cookie I get from nhl.com is called NID, it's 131 characters of alphanumeric soup, and it varies from visit to visit. It's bad enough that they update their dossier on me when I visit their own sites, do they have to do it everywhere else, too?\ More to the point, how can I set SeaMonkey to do as it says and block third-party cookies? If my guess is right, turning off the safebrowsing features should do it. I dunno where they are in the SM UI. OK, let's try that... Nope, didn't change a thing. Google set another cookie called NID 131 characters long. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
On 12/13/2014 10:36 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: Have you tried the Allow cookies for the originating site only (no third-party cookies) setting? I refer you to my original query, which you apparently have not read. Slipped my mind when replying. Did you try a test profile, visit no web sites, check cookies. What did you find? -- One of the millions of Firefox makes me happy users https://input.mozilla.org/en-US/feedback/firefox/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 10:36 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: Have you tried the Allow cookies for the originating site only (no third-party cookies) setting? I refer you to my original query, which you apparently have not read. Slipped my mind when replying. Did you try a test profile, visit no web sites, check cookies. What did you find? See the response I gave to »Q« 16 minutes ago downthread. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
On 12/13/2014 11:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 12/13/2014 10:36 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WaltS48 wrote: Have you tried the Allow cookies for the originating site only (no third-party cookies) setting? I refer you to my original query, which you apparently have not read. Slipped my mind when replying. Did you try a test profile, visit no web sites, check cookies. What did you find? See the response I gave to »Q« 16 minutes ago downthread. So you didn't try a test profile. Okay, I started my SeaMonkey with the test profile. Had the 2 Google cookies I mentioned earlier. Cleared cookies, history, cache, and everything else I could check. Restarted SeaMonkey with the test profile, had the 2 Google cookies again, repeated the Clear history, restart process and the 2 Google cookies come back on every restart. Let me set Block Cookies from This Website, the website being http://www.seamonkey-project.org/start/, clear history, restart and they're back. Block Cookies from The Website under Tools Cookie Manager is still enabled. Let me try checking When removing, block the listed websites from setting future cookies in the Cookies tab of Data Manager and using Remove there also. APPLAUSE! No Google cookies! That was an adventure. :) -- One of the millions of Firefox makes me happy users https://input.mozilla.org/en-US/feedback/firefox/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
HilsB wrote on 14/12/2014 00:48: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: EE wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: This evening, I cleared all private data (including cache and cookies), and then visited nhl.com. Immediately after aborting their troublesome javascript,* I inspected my cookies and discovered that google.com had set a cookie. Now, my cookie policy at Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security | Cookies is Allow cookies for the originating website only (no third-party cookies). So how was Google able to set a cookie if I never visited their site? It's bad enough that they update their dossier on me when I visit their own sites, do they have to do it everywhere else, too?\ More to the point, how can I set SeaMonkey to do as it says and block third-party cookies? * -- They have a series of annoying scripts that grind SM to a halt and must be aborted before the site becomes usable. The URLs are constantly changing; today's version was at http://cdn.nhle.com/projects/ice3-ui/com.nhl.ice3.ui.t5.components/GlobalPageImports/dist/js/GlobalPageImports.min.js?v=8.9:1. And I'm constantly updating my custom filter in AdBlock Plus. That isn't my question. Even though I default to blocking cookies, I added an exception to block Google cookies, just to make sure. That works. I have no Google cookies. That's problematic for me because I do have a gmail account and sometimes use it to login to other sites (as soon as I'm done, I clear the cookies and resume living privately). nhl.com is not one of those, and AFAIK has not been bought by Google the way Yahoo has. I'm afraid that Google is among those who insist on setting cookies. Check out this link - https://www.facebook.com/SafariUsersAgainstGooglesSecretTracking As usual a facebook page is unreadable and full of unneeded infos. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Third-party cookie question
This evening, I cleared all private data (including cache and cookies), and then visited nhl.com. Immediately after aborting their troublesome javascript,* I inspected my cookies and discovered that google.com had set a cookie. Now, my cookie policy at Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security | Cookies is Allow cookies for the originating website only (no third-party cookies). So how was Google able to set a cookie if I never visited their site? It's bad enough that they update their dossier on me when I visit their own sites, do they have to do it everywhere else, too?\ More to the point, how can I set SeaMonkey to do as it says and block third-party cookies? * -- They have a series of annoying scripts that grind SM to a halt and must be aborted before the site becomes usable. The URLs are constantly changing; today's version was at http://cdn.nhle.com/projects/ice3-ui/com.nhl.ice3.ui.t5.components/GlobalPageImports/dist/js/GlobalPageImports.min.js?v=8.9:1. And I'm constantly updating my custom filter in AdBlock Plus. That isn't my question. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Third-party cookie question
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: This evening, I cleared all private data (including cache and cookies), and then visited nhl.com. Immediately after aborting their troublesome javascript,* I inspected my cookies and discovered that google.com had set a cookie. Now, my cookie policy at Edit | Preferences | Privacy Security | Cookies is Allow cookies for the originating website only (no third-party cookies). So how was Google able to set a cookie if I never visited their site? It's bad enough that they update their dossier on me when I visit their own sites, do they have to do it everywhere else, too?\ More to the point, how can I set SeaMonkey to do as it says and block third-party cookies? * -- They have a series of annoying scripts that grind SM to a halt and must be aborted before the site becomes usable. The URLs are constantly changing; today's version was at http://cdn.nhle.com/projects/ice3-ui/com.nhl.ice3.ui.t5.components/GlobalPageImports/dist/js/GlobalPageImports.min.js?v=8.9:1. And I'm constantly updating my custom filter in AdBlock Plus. That isn't my question. -- Vink home:http://ciudadpatricia.com User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:34.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/34.0 SeaMonkey/2.31b2 Build identifier: 20141020202138 /* * Oops. The kernel tried to access some bad page. We'll have to * terminate things with extreme prejudice. */ die_if_kernel(Oops, regs, error_code); -- From linux/arch/i386/mm/fault.c ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Dropbox question
Bill Spikowski wrote: A technical question for Dropbox users: Usually I interact with Dropbox through the local folder on my computer; Dropbox uploads and downloads changed files without my interaction. However, when I email a colleague a link to a file or folder I've posted on Dropbox, I like to test the link before sending it. (Dropbox is confusing enough for regular users; new users are often completely baffled, even when the link is correct!) One way I've verified the upload is by right-clicking on the Dropbox desktop icon, then selecting View on dropbox.com, then looking at my new folder or files and verifying the time and file sizes. However, that has suddenly stopped working for me in Seamonkey, although it still works in Firefox and Chrome. Dropbox has made a recent change that's trouble for me; the other way I verified these links was by pasting them in my outgoing email in Seamonkey, then clicking on the link before sending the email and making sure I'm being sent to the right file. Dropbox now defeats that approach; their explanation is that when a file is already on your local computer, you get redirected there instead of to the actual link on dropbox.com. Either of my old methods worked fine, but I prefer to stay within Seamonkey rather than switching browsers, especially when I'm on other computers and don't recall my passwords. Any suggestions? Dropbox doesn't seem to have any real tech support, and I haven't been able to find anyone else reporting this problem through Google. If Dropbox have made the connection between the URL you used and your local machine, does that not mean the link was correct in the first place? I use a personal Dropbox account to store files for a small hobby forum that I help run and none of my users have ever reported a difficulty accessing files. Dropbox is hopelessly slow for photographs and brings the forum to a crawl but ideal for text files ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
net flix question
i have windows vista basic and when i try yto get on net flix i get the following no common encyption error code ssl_error_cypher_overlay but when i use firefox i can get right on, can someone tell me what i am doing wrong, or if i can get it right. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: net flix question
On 12/08/2014 11:47 AM, john sumner wrote: i have windows vista basic and when i try yto get on net flix i get the following no common encyption error code ssl_error_cypher_overlay but when i use firefox i can get right on, can someone tell me what i am doing wrong, or if i can get it right. What is the URL? Do you get this on the basic netflix page (netflix.com) or at login, or something else? The error is caused by SSLv3/Poodle issues. Click on Help|Troubleshooting Information and scroll down to 'Library Versions' and copy past the NSSSL section to your reply. Example: NL 3.17.2 Basic ECC3.17.2 Basic ECC ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: net flix question
On 12/08/2014 12:49 PM, NoOp wrote: On 12/08/2014 11:47 AM, john sumner wrote: i have windows vista basic and when i try yto get on net flix i get the following no common encyption error code ssl_error_cypher_overlay but when i use firefox i can get right on, can someone tell me what i am doing wrong, or if i can get it right. What is the URL? Do you get this on the basic netflix page (netflix.com) or at login, or something else? The error is caused by SSLv3/Poodle issues. Click on Help|Troubleshooting Information and scroll down to 'Library Versions' and copy past the NSSSL section to your reply. Example: NL3.17.2 Basic ECC3.17.2 Basic ECC Sorry, forgot to add: please go to Edit|Preferences|PrivacySecurity|SSL and tell us what you have checked in the 'SSL Protocol Versions' section. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Dropbox question
Ray_Net wrote: Bill Spikowski wrote on 06/12/2014 23:13: A technical question for Dropbox users: Usually I interact with Dropbox through the local folder on my computer; Dropbox uploads and downloads changed files without my interaction. However, when I email a colleague a link to a file or folder I've posted on Dropbox, I like to test the link before sending it. (Dropbox is confusing enough for regular users; new users are often completely baffled, even when the link is correct!) One way I've verified the upload is by right-clicking on the Dropbox desktop icon, then selecting View on dropbox.com, then looking at my new folder or files and verifying the time and file sizes. However, that has suddenly stopped working for me in Seamonkey, although it still works in Firefox and Chrome. Dropbox has made a recent change that's trouble for me; the other way I verified these links was by pasting them in my outgoing email in Seamonkey, then clicking on the link before sending the email and making sure I'm being sent to the right file. Dropbox now defeats that approach; their explanation is that when a file is already on your local computer, you get redirected there instead of to the actual link on dropbox.com. Either of my old methods worked fine, but I prefer to stay within Seamonkey rather than switching browsers, especially when I'm on other computers and don't recall my passwords. Any suggestions? Dropbox doesn't seem to have any real tech support, and I haven't been able to find anyone else reporting this problem through Google. You say that they said: when a file is already on your local computer, you get redirected there instead of to the actual link on dropbox.com. So it's not a problem with the SM browser. Any browser will follow the dropbox mechanism. Right -- this one isn't a SM problem; but as it eliminates my alternate approach, so the SM problem below becomes more critical to me! You have just the SM problem: right-clicking on the Dropbox desktop icon, then selecting View on dropbox.com, then looking at my new folder or files and verifying the time and file sizes. However, that has suddenly stopped working for me in Seamonkey, although it still works in Firefox and Chrome. Exactly. If no other Dropbox users report this problem, I'll try to track down some errant SM extension that might be causing this behavior . . . . ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Dropbox question
Bob Minchin wrote: Bill Spikowski wrote: A technical question for Dropbox users: Usually I interact with Dropbox through the local folder on my computer; Dropbox uploads and downloads changed files without my interaction. However, when I email a colleague a link to a file or folder I've posted on Dropbox, I like to test the link before sending it. (Dropbox is confusing enough for regular users; new users are often completely baffled, even when the link is correct!) One way I've verified the upload is by right-clicking on the Dropbox desktop icon, then selecting View on dropbox.com, then looking at my new folder or files and verifying the time and file sizes. However, that has suddenly stopped working for me in Seamonkey, although it still works in Firefox and Chrome. Dropbox has made a recent change that's trouble for me; the other way I verified these links was by pasting them in my outgoing email in Seamonkey, then clicking on the link before sending the email and making sure I'm being sent to the right file. Dropbox now defeats that approach; their explanation is that when a file is already on your local computer, you get redirected there instead of to the actual link on dropbox.com. Either of my old methods worked fine, but I prefer to stay within Seamonkey rather than switching browsers, especially when I'm on other computers and don't recall my passwords. Any suggestions? Dropbox doesn't seem to have any real tech support, and I haven't been able to find anyone else reporting this problem through Google. If Dropbox have made the connection between the URL you used and your local machine, does that not mean the link was correct in the first place? I use a personal Dropbox account to store files for a small hobby forum that I help run and none of my users have ever reported a difficulty accessing files. This is a recent problem -- just in the past week. As to your question -- I haven't a clue, since Dropbox keeps its inner workings hidden from users. I found the product almost unusable until I stumbled upon the way I use it -- keeping a local folder on the desktop of each of my computers that I can interact with using normal file management tools and even without an internet connection; and only accessing Dropbox.com when I need to verify that a file I want to share has uploaded properly and the link I'm about to send a colleague connects to that file. Perhaps I'm not even using their product correctly; I've tried to get tech help from them a few times without success. Whenever I get frustrated with Dropbox, I try another file sharing services, only to find even bigger problems (e.g., my recipients must create an account; or they get bombed with advertising; or the download page has additional links designed to trick my colleagues; or the interface has just as many peculiarities as Dropbox or an even-more-baffling interface). Then I slink back to Dropbox -- until the cycle resumes! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Dropbox question
GerardJan wrote on 07/12/2014 09:24: | GO AWAY with your NULL reply ! I speak with Bill Spikowski ONLY ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Dropbox question
Ray_Net wrote: GerardJan wrote on 07/12/2014 09:24: | GO AWAY with your NULL reply ! I speak with Bill Spikowski ONLY Sorry, I had no keyboard sincerely -- Vink home:http://ciudadpatricia.com User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:34.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/34.0 SeaMonkey/2.31b2 /* * Oops. The kernel tried to access some bad page. We'll have to * terminate things with extreme prejudice. */ die_if_kernel(Oops, regs, error_code); -- From linux/arch/i386/mm/fault.c ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Dropbox question
A technical question for Dropbox users: Usually I interact with Dropbox through the local folder on my computer; Dropbox uploads and downloads changed files without my interaction. However, when I email a colleague a link to a file or folder I've posted on Dropbox, I like to test the link before sending it. (Dropbox is confusing enough for regular users; new users are often completely baffled, even when the link is correct!) One way I've verified the upload is by right-clicking on the Dropbox desktop icon, then selecting View on dropbox.com, then looking at my new folder or files and verifying the time and file sizes. However, that has suddenly stopped working for me in Seamonkey, although it still works in Firefox and Chrome. Dropbox has made a recent change that's trouble for me; the other way I verified these links was by pasting them in my outgoing email in Seamonkey, then clicking on the link before sending the email and making sure I'm being sent to the right file. Dropbox now defeats that approach; their explanation is that when a file is already on your local computer, you get redirected there instead of to the actual link on dropbox.com. Either of my old methods worked fine, but I prefer to stay within Seamonkey rather than switching browsers, especially when I'm on other computers and don't recall my passwords. Any suggestions? Dropbox doesn't seem to have any real tech support, and I haven't been able to find anyone else reporting this problem through Google. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Dropbox question
Bill Spikowski wrote on 06/12/2014 23:13: A technical question for Dropbox users: Usually I interact with Dropbox through the local folder on my computer; Dropbox uploads and downloads changed files without my interaction. However, when I email a colleague a link to a file or folder I've posted on Dropbox, I like to test the link before sending it. (Dropbox is confusing enough for regular users; new users are often completely baffled, even when the link is correct!) One way I've verified the upload is by right-clicking on the Dropbox desktop icon, then selecting View on dropbox.com, then looking at my new folder or files and verifying the time and file sizes. However, that has suddenly stopped working for me in Seamonkey, although it still works in Firefox and Chrome. Dropbox has made a recent change that's trouble for me; the other way I verified these links was by pasting them in my outgoing email in Seamonkey, then clicking on the link before sending the email and making sure I'm being sent to the right file. Dropbox now defeats that approach; their explanation is that when a file is already on your local computer, you get redirected there instead of to the actual link on dropbox.com. Either of my old methods worked fine, but I prefer to stay within Seamonkey rather than switching browsers, especially when I'm on other computers and don't recall my passwords. Any suggestions? Dropbox doesn't seem to have any real tech support, and I haven't been able to find anyone else reporting this problem through Google. You say that they said: when a file is already on your local computer, you get redirected there instead of to the actual link on dropbox.com. So it's not a problem with the SM browser. Any browser will follow the dropbox mechanism. You have just the SM problem: right-clicking on the Dropbox desktop icon, then selecting View on dropbox.com, then looking at my new folder or files and verifying the time and file sizes. However, that has suddenly stopped working for me in Seamonkey, although it still works in Firefox and Chrome. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another bookmark question
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Bill Spikowski wrote: I was organizing bookmarks today and messed something up. Dragging folders of bookmarks is sometimes flaky, with folders ending up in the wrong place, but I've never actually LOST any folders. This time I'm afraid I have, about a dozen folders that are pretty important to me. I have a backup of places.sqlite from yesterday, but I'd rather not replace the current file because I have made a lot of other bookmark changes since yesterday. Is there a way to extract just the lost folders from yesterday's places.sqlite and paste it into my current file? I have the SQLite Manager extension installed, but I have no clue how it works, or if it can accomplish what I want to do. Here's one clumsy workaround, others may think of something better: 1) Export your current configuration as Bookmarks.HTML. Rename it so you can identify it, e.g., MangledBookmarks.HTML. 2) With SM closed, copy/paste the backup places.sqlite over the existing one. 3) Launch SM and import MangledBookmarks.HTML, which should create a separate bookmark folder. 4) Drag and drop the lost folders back to where you want them. Delete whatever folders you no longer need. 5) Lather, rinse, repeat. ;-) YES -- that worked like a charm! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
