Re: speech shutting off

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

I have had this happen and even using the conrtrol alt w  hot key comand 
does not bring window eyes back up.


On 2/14/2016 11:51 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

did you use  the w e hot keys to restart it?
i think its control alt w.
i don't remember. i change the keys to control alt insert 10 years ago.
hate to say it but this has been happening several times per day
but it can also happen when the computer hybernates or is it sleep 
mode now? and you wake it up.




-Original Message- From: richard kurlander via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:46 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: speech shutting off

using windoweyes/ es 9.2.3 and windows 8.1 at random speech cuts
off can't do anything on the computer. I was idle on the computer and
this happened. had to power down with power and restart. what is going 
on?


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Re: speech shutting off

[net bat via Talk]

did you use  the w e hot keys to restart it?
i think its control alt w.
i don't remember. i change the keys to control alt insert 10 years ago.
hate to say it but this has been happening several times per day
but it can also happen when the computer hybernates or is it sleep mode now? 
and you wake it up.




-Original Message- 
From: richard kurlander via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 8:46 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: speech shutting off

using windoweyes/ es 9.2.3 and windows 8.1 at random speech cuts
off can't do anything on the computer. I was idle on the computer and
this happened. had to power down with power and restart. what is going on?

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speech shutting off

[richard kurlander via Talk]

using windoweyes/			es 9.2.3 and windows 8.1 at random speech cuts 
off can't do anything on the computer. I was idle on the computer and 
this happened. had to power down with power and restart. what is going on? 	


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Upgrading? Is that automatically generated or manually?

[Andre via Talk]

Since AI Squared will be closed tomorrow, I was just wondering if I order my
upgrade online, will I be able to download a fully functioning program, or
does someone in the AI Squared office have to create one for me to download?
I want to go from 9.1 to 9.3.

 

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Re: Fw: WE and windows 10

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Tony,
If you need an immediate response from tech support, I would recommend calling 
during business hours. Also, we would never ignore a customer's support 
request. Emails can get lost, blocked, etc. So, again, if you have an urgent 
need, just give us a call. Please note that Ai Squared will be closed on Monday 
in observance of Presidents Day. 
Thanks,
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On February 14, 2016 12:24:12 PM Tony C via Talk  
wrote:

> Maybe, they will get this one.
>
> From: Window-Eyes Support 
> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 7:18 AM
> To: Tony C 
> Cc: Aaron Smith ; Steve Clower 
> Subject: RE: WE and windows 10
>
> Hi,
>
> 1.   What web browser, what antivirus?
>
> 2.   What web browser and what sites, do you have links as examples?
>
> 3.   Sounds like some invisible window is there.  Does this happen every 
> single time you close an application?
>
> 4.   Try going to apps/diagnostics/refresh accessibility libraries.  Also 
>  if you just reload Window-eyes does the functionality return?
>
> 5.   
>
>  
>
> Window-Eyes Product Support
> Ai Squared
> 725 Airport North Office Park
> Fort Wayne, IN 46825
> (802) 362-3612
> www.aisquared.com
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: Tony C [mailto:tch...@mediacombb.net] 
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 3:16 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Support 
> Subject: WE and windows 10
>
>  
>
> Hi guys, I’m still fighting with the same issues. 1. I’ll be arrowing down 
> reading a webpage and window eyes just looses focus and quits talking until I 
> alt tab to bring the page back into focus.
>
> 2. Window eye starts reading anywhere in the page it decides to. Very seldom 
> is in at the top.
>
> 3. When I close the program I have open the desktop is on the screen but 
> window eyes doesn’t see it untill I hit alt f4 a second time.
>
> 4. A lot of the times after being on the web for a while, ie: watching Hulu, 
> etc when I close the program window eyes will not go to the desktop even 
> thought the desktop is there. windows key M or D makes no differencd. When 
> this occurs if I hit alt f4 IiI get the usual “what do you want the computer 
> to do” except when I try to arrow down Window eyes doesn’t read the choices. 
> In both cases even though window eyes does not read the desktop or the other 
> choices, they are working, this has been verified by a sighted person. For 
> example window eyes isn’t reading the desktop but I can hit W for windows 
> live mail (WE says nothing) but WLM highlites and I can hit enter and WLM 
> opens.
>
> Anything I can do to fix this it really gets quite frustrating.
>
> Tony Childers
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RE: WE or Windows issue

[Jim Ruby via Talk]

I would think remote access if it produced the same problem would be safer
and less ware and tare on the computer too.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+jim=blindsea@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 2:44 PM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WE or Windows issue

looks like remote access could maybe be used instead of paying for the 
shipping which can be pretty expensive.

-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 1:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: WE or Windows issue

Over many years of using Window Eyes I have sent GW my computers in
order to resolve WE issues.  The first time after GW was sure it was a
Windows problem not a WE issue they finally asked me to send them my
desktop tower.  I did just that and after they investigated the problem
it was indeed a Window Eyes problem and they sent back my desktop with a
modified version of WE that resolved the issue.
More recent right after the release of Windows 10 I was experiencing a
terrible lag issue while using file explorer.  Again Ai Squared
suggested I send them my laptop and they kept it for about 5 days
investigating the issue.  This time it seemed to be a Windows 10 issue
and they could not resolve the issue.  The next major update to Windows
10 resolved the issue.
I wonder how many other WE users have ever sent in their computers to GW
or Ai Squared to resolve issues and whether the issue turned out to be a
Window Eyes  or some other problem.
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Re: WE or Windows issue

[Tony C via Talk]

looks like remote access could maybe be used instead of paying for the 
shipping which can be pretty expensive.


-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 1:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: WE or Windows issue

Over many years of using Window Eyes I have sent GW my computers in
order to resolve WE issues.  The first time after GW was sure it was a
Windows problem not a WE issue they finally asked me to send them my
desktop tower.  I did just that and after they investigated the problem
it was indeed a Window Eyes problem and they sent back my desktop with a
modified version of WE that resolved the issue.
More recent right after the release of Windows 10 I was experiencing a
terrible lag issue while using file explorer.  Again Ai Squared
suggested I send them my laptop and they kept it for about 5 days
investigating the issue.  This time it seemed to be a Windows 10 issue
and they could not resolve the issue.  The next major update to Windows
10 resolved the issue.
I wonder how many other WE users have ever sent in their computers to GW
or Ai Squared to resolve issues and whether the issue turned out to be a
Window Eyes  or some other problem.
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Re: no browsemode

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

this happens no matter what page i am on if i shut down nvda and bring 
up window eyes i can not get anyplace with any of the browsers unless i 
close and reopen them.


On 2/14/2016 12:15 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:

I have not seen this -- can you site a particular page where this
happens?

Singing Sparrow via Talk  wrote:


I have also noticed this and Yes this has happened to me as well.
Here is an interesting point to make  if you use lets say
  window eyes for a bit and then want to switch to NVDA after you have
gotten done using NVDA and shut NVDA off and turn on window eyes the
browsers no matter if you are using internet explorer, fire fox, or
google crome you have to always go out of the browser because you have
no browse mode to rely on this is something that has been happening
since window eyes 9.0 through 9.3
On 2/14/2016 9:35 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I now have for the second time, that when starting Internet explorer,
the browse mode is not working. Restarting WE or killing does nog help.
Jaws or Nvda will work with internet without any problem.
This is in Internet explorer, Firefox and Chrome.
After a reboot the problem is solved, but it is frustrating.
Are there other people who recognize this?

Regards, Mareten
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RE: WE

[Karyn Campbell via Talk]

In the case of Web Root Security Anywhere, it was not white-listed.  This means 
that the antivirus  software grabs some of the DLL files and corrupts your 
installation of WE.

We know this as we have experience with it on both a Windows 8.1 machine as 
well as a Windows 10 machine.  Chris Grabowski confirmed that this product did 
not white-list WE.

We finally got Web Root Security Anywhere removed from both machines with the 
help of Best Buy's Geek Squad.  Once this was done, Ray re-installed 9.0 on the 
Windows 8.1 machine and downloaded 9.3 and all is working as it should.

He was unable to use the installation he had on our external hard drive as Web 
Root corrupted that installation.  For this reason, he went  to AI Squared's 
website and downloaded 9.3 for my Windows 10 mahine as the method he used for 
the Windows 8.1 machine would not work. I am happy to say that I am now running 
WE 9.3 on this machine and I'm one happy camper.

If anyone offers you Web Root Security Anywhere, run from it as it grabs DLL 
files and corrupts your WE installation.

I would agree that accessibility of antivirus packages is the next frontier in 
accessibility to technology.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com and likely Viper Antivirus 
on both machines.
Using WE   9.3 on HP Pavilion running Windows 8.1 with Office 2013 and I.E. 11 
as well as Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and 
I.E. 11 as default browser and Viper Antivirus on boht machines.




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Re: WE

[Tony C via Talk]

I'm using Mcaffee on my windows 10 pc and AVG on my windows 8 machine.

-Original Message- 
From: Karyn Campbell via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 3:07 PM
To: 'Tom Kingston' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: WE

In the case of Web Root Security Anywhere, it was not white-listed.  This 
means that the antivirus  software grabs some of the DLL files and corrupts 
your installation of WE.


We know this as we have experience with it on both a Windows 8.1 machine as 
well as a Windows 10 machine.  Chris Grabowski confirmed that this product 
did not white-list WE.


We finally got Web Root Security Anywhere removed from both machines with 
the help of Best Buy's Geek Squad.  Once this was done, Ray re-installed 9.0 
on the Windows 8.1 machine and downloaded 9.3 and all is working as it 
should.


He was unable to use the installation he had on our external hard drive as 
Web Root corrupted that installation.  For this reason, he went  to AI 
Squared's website and downloaded 9.3 for my Windows 10 mahine as the method 
he used for the Windows 8.1 machine would not work. I am happy to say that I 
am now running WE 9.3 on this machine and I'm one happy camper.


If anyone offers you Web Root Security Anywhere, run from it as it grabs DLL 
files and corrupts your WE installation.


I would agree that accessibility of antivirus packages is the next frontier 
in accessibility to technology.


Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com and likely Viper 
Antivirus on both machines.
Using WE   9.3 on HP Pavilion running Windows 8.1 with Office 2013 and I.E. 
11 as well as Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with Office 2013 
and I.E. 11 as default browser and Viper Antivirus on boht machines.





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Re: Did the list die?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Supposedly.  Since the window eyes office thing.  I'm not sure how far that 
goes, though.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 9:26 AM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Did the list die?

Am I right or wrong, doesn't WE have some kind of partnership with
microsoft. I know now WE is in with Office.

-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 3:07 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Did the list die?

Hi Nick: That is true indeed.
There are some Internet and other things WindowEyes handles better than the
other readers, not many but some.
The point for me is that no matter who is creating software it should flat
out work properly or it is not ready for prime time production.
With a screen reader that is almost impossible since they have to deal with
other peoples work, people who create the programs the screen reader is
trying to read and navigate.
This, however, is no excuse but a valid reason for some problems that a
screen reader with a limited staff just wont be able to address for every
individual client and every individual third party program.
That is why management is so important, that is it has to Organize,
prioritize  and Implement those features deemed most important to their
clients.
For a screen reader company I would guess it is to get every window in the
Windows Operating System working very, very well, then the Internet and then
other third party applications like Office and only then develop for other
third party applications.
I would stress the entire Microsoft Platform, all programs Microsoft puts
out as my first priority with an eye twoard a few other very popular
programs but then I am not the top dog anyplace nor would I want to be -
allot of stress indeed.
But there is money in making professional tools and popular programs
accessible and before you ever touch a keyboard as a developer you do a cost
/ benefit analysis of the project even if just an informal discussion and
Microsoft and a few non Microsoft programs are widely used in business,
industry and Finance and that is where the bulk of my work would be targeted
since Government and Industry will pay for the screen reader that works the
best with packages their employees use and greenies are, despite some
people, very very important to the survival of any company.
No company, no screen reader.
I would also let my client base know what is on the table for review like in
an agile project management senario so they get an idea of what is high
priority and what is low priority to have an open discussion of what and why
some things may, or not, get addressed in the near to intermediate future -
at least I would try that out to help get more input of real value from my
client base if I were a small development team with limited resources or I
think I would try it - perhaps not just never been there done that.
Anyway, you are correct but for the fact that WE does not work flawlesly
with the Windows10 operating system in my opinion and that in my case would
be job1 with the internet job2 which also seems to need some work.
Rick USA.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 2:59 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Did the list die?

I bet it's a trade off.  The more you use the likes of these other free
creen readers, I bet you'll find issues you don't have with WE.

On 2/13/2016 7:51 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up on WE, 
but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader for stuff 
because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn

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Re: no browsemode

[via Talk]

I have not seen this -- can you site a particular page where this
happens?

Singing Sparrow via Talk  wrote:

> I have also noticed this and Yes this has happened to me as well.
> Here is an interesting point to make  if you use lets say
>  window eyes for a bit and then want to switch to NVDA after you have
> gotten done using NVDA and shut NVDA off and turn on window eyes the
> browsers no matter if you are using internet explorer, fire fox, or
> google crome you have to always go out of the browser because you have
> no browse mode to rely on this is something that has been happening
> since window eyes 9.0 through 9.3
> On 2/14/2016 9:35 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I now have for the second time, that when starting Internet explorer,
> > the browse mode is not working. Restarting WE or killing does nog help.
> > Jaws or Nvda will work with internet without any problem.
> > This is in Internet explorer, Firefox and Chrome.
> > After a reboot the problem is solved, but it is frustrating.
> > Are there other people who recognize this?
> >
> > Regards, Mareten
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We're Back Up on Window-Eyes

[Ray Campbell via Talk]

Hello All:

 

Some of you may remember we had an issue getting Window-Eyes to work on both
our Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 machines about a month or so ago.  Thanks to
the fine folks at AI Squared, we learned Webroot Secure Anywhere was the
problem; it was blocking certain Window-Eyes components from installing
correctly.

 

I finally had a chance yesterday to get remote help from Geek Squad to
remove Webroot, which you need as it has a CAPTCHA you have to solve before
it will let you uninstall it.  Well, I did that, then completely uninstalled
and re-installed WE and Wala, everything works.  It's so nice to have our
primary screen reader back up and running like a top.

 

Thanks,

 

 

Ray Campbell

ray153...@gmail.com

Skype: ray650315

Blog: farmers-boy.livejournal.com

Twitter: @packerbackerray

Facebook: www.facebook.com/packerbackerray

 

Support the Illinois Council of the Blind at our GoFundMe page:
www.gofundme.com/icb2015.

 

 

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Re: Did the list die?

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

How can you not care who's at fault?  If you want something to work, it 
would help to know the possible reason it doesn't.


On 2/14/2016 12:49 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
I'm about to give up on support. Everytime I've contacted them since 
windows 7 it's ended up if they can't fix it to be blamed on windows. 
I don't care whose at fault, I just need it to work at least to where 
it isn't a frustration everytime I use the PC. I've been using PC's 
since Dos 6.22 and windows 95. There has always been some things that 
were problem areas, but the basics always seemed to work ok, which 
isn't the case now. Hell, there are dialog boxes that come up in 
windows they We will not read or only read part of.


-Original Message- From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 11:36 AM
To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Did the list die?

Hi there!
I certainly haven't given up on W.E. nor will I! I love it even though
it has a few miner issues.  Never have used JAWs on a regular basis so
really can't make any realy judgments on that one, but W.E. beats NVDA
hands down! And until someone comes up with a screenreader that "I"
consider to be better I will stick with what I know.  Just my 2 sense
worth, whatever that might be worth these days! TNX A Great Day! de
.

On 14-Feb-16 02:59, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
I bet it's a trade off.  The more you use the likes of these other 
free creen readers, I bet you'll find issues you don't have with WE.


On 2/13/2016 7:51 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up 
on WE, but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen 
reader for stuff because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But 
Damn

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Re: WE

[Tony C via Talk]

I understand that different configurations can cause differences. The WLM 
thing has been an issue for at least 3 years. I've downloaded NVDA and it 
isn't doing these things. I'm going to download the demo of the shark and 
see if it's doing these things. I've heard from a few jaws users and though 
they may be havijng some issues these are them.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 7:56 PM
To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WE

It's working fine here. No problems on the web. I don't use WLM.

Regarding anti-virus software? It doesn't matter to sighted folks
because they're not using a screen-reader, which by its very nature can
be seen as a key logger because it hooks the keyboard at a low level. I
saw this with Webroot. There is nothing AI can do other than ask them to
whitelist it in their program. And if it's too much to ask we can't use
that anti-malware. So they make the choice for us.

Tom


On 2/13/2016 8:27 PM, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote:

Tony, you are right there have been other people that have said the same
things, that window eyes has been the cause of the troubles they have
been having but asquared has told people that it is your computer and
not our products when a person can confirm that it is not a persons
computer, when other screen readers, work and that window eyes always
seems to bring on the problems.


On 2/13/2016 9:59 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:

Why is it that ;everytime I have had problems with WE reading the web,
WLM, I always get the same response in the end, “ it’s a windows
issue, or a windows focun issue”. It shouldn’t matter what virus
protection I’m using, it doesn’t matter to the sighted people. If
sighted people were limited to only being able to use a certain virus
protection or two, because of a program not being able to cope with it
then they would use a different program or contact tech support and
get it fixed, since win 7, 8 and now 10 the same issues are happening,
and I can’t really see where any of the issues have been fixed.
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Re: Did the list die?

[Tony C via Talk]

Am I right or wrong, doesn't WE have some kind of partnership with 
microsoft. I know now WE is in with Office.


-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 3:07 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Did the list die?

Hi Nick: That is true indeed.
There are some Internet and other things WindowEyes handles better than the 
other readers, not many but some.
The point for me is that no matter who is creating software it should flat 
out work properly or it is not ready for prime time production.
With a screen reader that is almost impossible since they have to deal with 
other peoples work, people who create the programs the screen reader is 
trying to read and navigate.
This, however, is no excuse but a valid reason for some problems that a 
screen reader with a limited staff just wont be able to address for every 
individual client and every individual third party program.
That is why management is so important, that is it has to Organize, 
prioritize  and Implement those features deemed most important to their 
clients.
For a screen reader company I would guess it is to get every window in the 
Windows Operating System working very, very well, then the Internet and then 
other third party applications like Office and only then develop for other 
third party applications.
I would stress the entire Microsoft Platform, all programs Microsoft puts 
out as my first priority with an eye twoard a few other very popular 
programs but then I am not the top dog anyplace nor would I want to be - 
allot of stress indeed.
But there is money in making professional tools and popular programs 
accessible and before you ever touch a keyboard as a developer you do a cost 
/ benefit analysis of the project even if just an informal discussion and 
Microsoft and a few non Microsoft programs are widely used in business, 
industry and Finance and that is where the bulk of my work would be targeted 
since Government and Industry will pay for the screen reader that works the 
best with packages their employees use and greenies are, despite some 
people, very very important to the survival of any company.

No company, no screen reader.
I would also let my client base know what is on the table for review like in 
an agile project management senario so they get an idea of what is high 
priority and what is low priority to have an open discussion of what and why 
some things may, or not, get addressed in the near to intermediate future - 
at least I would try that out to help get more input of real value from my 
client base if I were a small development team with limited resources or I 
think I would try it - perhaps not just never been there done that.
Anyway, you are correct but for the fact that WE does not work flawlesly 
with the Windows10 operating system in my opinion and that in my case would 
be job1 with the internet job2 which also seems to need some work.

Rick USA.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 2:59 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: Re: Did the list die?

I bet it's a trade off.  The more you use the likes of these other free
creen readers, I bet you'll find issues you don't have with WE.

On 2/13/2016 7:51 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up on WE, 
but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader for stuff 
because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn

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Re: Did the list die?

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

Yes they do to provide window eyes for  free of charge if you purchase 
microsoft office or if you subscribe to office 365 but you would have to 
pay for dectalk access 32,  vocalizer, or Eloquence to be able to use 
them in the free version of window eyes.


On 2/14/2016 8:26 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Am I right or wrong, doesn't WE have some kind of partnership with 
microsoft. I know now WE is in with Office.


-Original Message- From: Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 3:07 AM
To: 'Nick Sarames' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Did the list die?

Hi Nick: That is true indeed.
There are some Internet and other things WindowEyes handles better 
than the other readers, not many but some.
The point for me is that no matter who is creating software it should 
flat out work properly or it is not ready for prime time production.
With a screen reader that is almost impossible since they have to deal 
with other peoples work, people who create the programs the screen 
reader is trying to read and navigate.
This, however, is no excuse but a valid reason for some problems that 
a screen reader with a limited staff just wont be able to address for 
every individual client and every individual third party program.
That is why management is so important, that is it has to Organize, 
prioritize  and Implement those features deemed most important to 
their clients.
For a screen reader company I would guess it is to get every window in 
the Windows Operating System working very, very well, then the 
Internet and then other third party applications like Office and only 
then develop for other third party applications.
I would stress the entire Microsoft Platform, all programs Microsoft 
puts out as my first priority with an eye twoard a few other very 
popular programs but then I am not the top dog anyplace nor would I 
want to be - allot of stress indeed.
But there is money in making professional tools and popular programs 
accessible and before you ever touch a keyboard as a developer you do 
a cost / benefit analysis of the project even if just an informal 
discussion and Microsoft and a few non Microsoft programs are widely 
used in business, industry and Finance and that is where the bulk of 
my work would be targeted since Government and Industry will pay for 
the screen reader that works the best with packages their employees 
use and greenies are, despite some people, very very important to the 
survival of any company.

No company, no screen reader.
I would also let my client base know what is on the table for review 
like in an agile project management senario so they get an idea of 
what is high priority and what is low priority to have an open 
discussion of what and why some things may, or not, get addressed in 
the near to intermediate future - at least I would try that out to 
help get more input of real value from my client base if I were a 
small development team with limited resources or I think I would try 
it - perhaps not just never been there done that.
Anyway, you are correct but for the fact that WE does not work 
flawlesly with the Windows10 operating system in my opinion and that 
in my case would be job1 with the internet job2 which also seems to 
need some work.

Rick USA.


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 2:59 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: Re: Did the list die?

I bet it's a trade off.  The more you use the likes of these other free
creen readers, I bet you'll find issues you don't have with WE.

On 2/13/2016 7:51 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up 
on WE, but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader 
for stuff because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn

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Re: Did the list die?

[Tony C via Talk]

I'm about to give up on support. Everytime I've contacted them since windows 
7 it's ended up if they can't fix it to be blamed on windows. I don't care 
whose at fault, I just need it to work at least to where it isn't a 
frustration everytime I use the PC. I've been using PC's since Dos 6.22 and 
windows 95. There has always been some things that were problem areas, but 
the basics always seemed to work ok, which isn't the case now. Hell, there 
are dialog boxes that come up in windows they We will not read or only read 
part of.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 11:36 AM
To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Did the list die?

Hi there!
I certainly haven't given up on W.E. nor will I! I love it even though
it has a few miner issues.  Never have used JAWs on a regular basis so
really can't make any realy judgments on that one, but W.E. beats NVDA
hands down! And until someone comes up with a screenreader that "I"
consider to be better I will stick with what I know.  Just my 2 sense
worth, whatever that might be worth these days! TNX A Great Day! de
.

On 14-Feb-16 02:59, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
I bet it's a trade off.  The more you use the likes of these other free 
creen readers, I bet you'll find issues you don't have with WE.


On 2/13/2016 7:51 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up on 
WE, but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader for 
stuff because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn

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Re: no browsemode

[Tony C via Talk]

Yes, yes, yes,...

-Original Message- 
From: Davy Cuppens via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 11:13 AM
To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: no browsemode

Hi Marten

I can reproduce this phenomenon. I must admit to express the feeling that I
am not that happy with wineyes 9 at all. It does not feel smooth and stable
at all.
Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Singing Sparrow via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 5:35 PM
To: Marten Post Uiterweer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: no browsemode

I have also noticed this and Yes this has happened to me as well.
Here is an interesting point to make  if you use lets say
 window eyes for a bit and then want to switch to NVDA after you have
gotten done using NVDA and shut NVDA off and turn on window eyes the
browsers no matter if you are using internet explorer, fire fox, or
google crome you have to always go out of the browser because you have
no browse mode to rely on this is something that has been happening
since window eyes 9.0 through 9.3
On 2/14/2016 9:35 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I now have for the second time, that when starting Internet explorer,
the browse mode is not working. Restarting WE or killing does nog help.
Jaws or Nvda will work with internet without any problem.
This is in Internet explorer, Firefox and Chrome.
After a reboot the problem is solved, but it is frustrating.
Are there other people who recognize this?

Regards, Mareten
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Re: no browsemode

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, What kinda upset me is that a week or so ago I was emailing back and 
forth with WE support. They ask me a couple of questions and I sent a reply 
with my answers. Now, it was getting late in the day on Fri, so when I 
didn't get a answer back I thought "no big deal, I'll hear from them on Mon" 
I have not as of this minute hear a word back from them. I sent a message 
this Fri with the sam information and we'll see if maybe they can at least 
let me know if they got it or not ar tell me to kiss their butts, or 
sojmething.

/Tony C

-Original Message- 
From: Singing Sparrow via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:35 AM
To: Marten Post Uiterweer ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: no browsemode

I have also noticed this and Yes this has happened to me as well.
Here is an interesting point to make  if you use lets say
 window eyes for a bit and then want to switch to NVDA after you have
gotten done using NVDA and shut NVDA off and turn on window eyes the
browsers no matter if you are using internet explorer, fire fox, or
google crome you have to always go out of the browser because you have
no browse mode to rely on this is something that has been happening
since window eyes 9.0 through 9.3
On 2/14/2016 9:35 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I now have for the second time, that when starting Internet explorer,
the browse mode is not working. Restarting WE or killing does nog help.
Jaws or Nvda will work with internet without any problem.
This is in Internet explorer, Firefox and Chrome.
After a reboot the problem is solved, but it is frustrating.
Are there other people who recognize this?

Regards, Mareten
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Fw: WE and windows 10

[Tony C via Talk]

Maybe, they will get this one.

From: Window-Eyes Support 
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 7:18 AM
To: Tony C 
Cc: Aaron Smith ; Steve Clower 
Subject: RE: WE and windows 10

Hi,

1.   What web browser, what antivirus?

2.   What web browser and what sites, do you have links as examples?

3.   Sounds like some invisible window is there.  Does this happen every 
single time you close an application?

4.   Try going to apps/diagnostics/refresh accessibility libraries.  Also  
if you just reload Window-eyes does the functionality return?

5.   

 

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From: Tony C [mailto:tch...@mediacombb.net] 
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 3:16 PM
To: Window-Eyes Support 
Subject: WE and windows 10

 

Hi guys, I’m still fighting with the same issues. 1. I’ll be arrowing down 
reading a webpage and window eyes just looses focus and quits talking until I 
alt tab to bring the page back into focus.

2. Window eye starts reading anywhere in the page it decides to. Very seldom is 
in at the top.

3. When I close the program I have open the desktop is on the screen but window 
eyes doesn’t see it untill I hit alt f4 a second time.

4. A lot of the times after being on the web for a while, ie: watching Hulu, 
etc when I close the program window eyes will not go to the desktop even 
thought the desktop is there. windows key M or D makes no differencd. When this 
occurs if I hit alt f4 IiI get the usual “what do you want the computer to do” 
except when I try to arrow down Window eyes doesn’t read the choices. In both 
cases even though window eyes does not read the desktop or the other choices, 
they are working, this has been verified by a sighted person. For example 
window eyes isn’t reading the desktop but I can hit W for windows live mail (WE 
says nothing) but WLM highlites and I can hit enter and WLM opens.

Anything I can do to fix this it really gets quite frustrating.

Tony Childers
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RE: Did the list die?

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi: Go to the WE Website where they have their lists and check if they turned 
off your subscription.
Mine was turned off due to bounces which can automatically happen.
You have to turn it back on to get messages again.
You will need your password for the lists but there is a button or something 
that will send it to you if you forgot it.
This has happened to others, me most recently, so don’t feel ba\d, it is not 
that you are doing anything wrwrong they just don’t have their list set up 
properly 
me thinks.
If you just cant use WindowEyes anymore others have used a screen reader called 
JAWS and some slog through one called NVDA so you wont be left in the dark 
totally.
JAWS has a 45 minut demo mode and costs almost a grand, NVDA is free I think.
I don’t know what is going on with WindowEyes, my philosophy is your fault, my 
fault nobodys fault just make it work properly.
Windows10 is a beast but the guys at AISquared are paid to handle the beast so 
hopefully they will get it all under control even if it is Windows10, the WE 
old school design or even our individual computer settings.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 9:52 PM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Did the list die?

No, the list didn't die.  But I don't know if you are getting this.  I did 
not give up on window eyes.  I can't.  I don't know what I would do.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 7:51 PM
To: window-eyes
Subject: Did the list die?

Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up on WE, 
but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader for stuff 
because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn
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RE: Did the list die?

[Rick Thomas via Talk]

Hi Nick: That is true indeed.
There are some Internet and other things WindowEyes handles better than the 
other readers, not many but some.
The point for me is that no matter who is creating software it should flat out 
work properly or it is not ready for prime time production.
With a screen reader that is almost impossible since they have to deal with 
other peoples work, people who create the programs the screen reader is trying 
to read and navigate.
This, however, is no excuse but a valid reason for some problems that a screen 
reader with a limited staff just wont be able to address for every individual 
client and every individual third party program.
That is why management is so important, that is it has to Organize, prioritize  
and Implement those features deemed most important to their clients.
For a screen reader company I would guess it is to get every window in the 
Windows Operating System working very, very well, then the Internet and then 
other third party applications like Office and only then develop for other 
third party applications.
I would stress the entire Microsoft Platform, all programs Microsoft puts out 
as my first priority with an eye twoard a few other very popular programs but 
then I am not the top dog anyplace nor would I want to be - allot of stress 
indeed.
But there is money in making professional tools and popular programs accessible 
and before you ever touch a keyboard as a developer you do a cost / benefit 
analysis of the project even if just an informal discussion and Microsoft and a 
few non Microsoft programs are widely used in business, industry and Finance 
and that is where the bulk of my work would be targeted since Government and 
Industry will pay for the screen reader that works the best with packages their 
employees use and greenies are, despite some people, very very important to the 
survival of any company.
No company, no screen reader.
I would also let my client base know what is on the table for review like in an 
agile project management senario so they get an idea of what is high priority 
and what is low priority to have an open discussion of what and why some things 
may, or not, get addressed in the near to intermediate future - at least I 
would try that out to help get more input of real value from my client base if 
I were a small development team with limited resources or I think I would try 
it - perhaps not just never been there done that.
Anyway, you are correct but for the fact that WE does not work flawlesly with 
the Windows10 operating system in my opinion and that in my case would be job1 
with the internet job2 which also seems to need some work.
Rick USA.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 2:59 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Did the list die?

I bet it's a trade off.  The more you use the likes of these other free 
creen readers, I bet you'll find issues you don't have with WE.

On 2/13/2016 7:51 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
> Hi, I know a few people have told me that they are about to give up on WE, 
> but did everyone?? I’ve been having to use other screen reader for stuff 
> because WE is getting to be really frustrating. But Damn
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