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Re: WE suddenly notifying me I have an evaluation copy

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Well Darrell, If you take a listen to any text of your choosing with 
JAWS, and compare the same reading with Window-Eyes, you can definitely 
hear the difference.



JAWS Eloquence barely completes the last word of any sentence, then 
rapidly moves right to the first word in the next with virtually no 
pause or letup. And no, all of the applied settings at JAW's command 
will not help with this apparently programmed defect.



If I wish to speed up my reading on my own, I can certainly do so, but I 
simply don't need to have my reading done at a pace that would drive me 
nuts if a human reader did the same.



As many varieties of readers commercial or staff that the Talking Book 
program uses, I have encountered none that would read in that manner. 
This is something I simply cannot put up with, or abide.



On 3/23/2023 4:43 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

What do you mean that eloquence for JAWS doesn't read properly?
Thanks,
Darrell


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf Of 
Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 5:41 PM
To: Amanda Lee via Talk 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: Re: WE suddenly notifying me I have an evaluation copy

Amanda, Please!, Please!, say it isn't so!


Has Code Factory shut down their server permanently, or is this a temporary 
problem.


I must say that I really like Eloquence, but haven't been totally
satisfied with either Code Factory's version, nor that which comes with
JAWS.


The one problem I find with the factory's version is that it goes past
my most comfortable WE reading speed of 41  to either a step or so below
or above. And JAWS Eloquence doesn't pause appropriately between
sentences, which doesn't seem to bother enough users for Vispairo
(spelling) to do anything about it.


Sure wish I  hadn't gotten rid of, or maybe lost would be more like it,
my version of Window-Eyes with an independent version of Eloquence, so
that I might be able to use it with any screen reader, at least
theoretically anyway.


I really might be much more willing to completely switch over to either
JAWS or NVDA if I could only hear Eloquence the way I wish to hear it.




On 3/23/2023 2:42 PM, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote:

Actually Window-Eyes for Office still works, provided you have a licensed
version of Microsoft Office.

I had some issues for awhile, but when I recently set up a new computer, it
was really easiest for me to run the file and use it to finish setting up
the computer.

The annoying issue though is that Code Factory has shut down their server
for the three different licenses that I purchased for Eloquence and none
were fully used.

That's not related to GW Micro or Vispero.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 1:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: WE suddenly notifying me I have an evaluation copy

I wish that windowe eyes for office still worked.
Thanks,
Darrell


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 1:45 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: amandainparadise...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: WE suddenly notifying me I have an evaluation copy

Unfortunately, although I agree with the sentiments, there are flaws in this
petition.

It is not going to occur, that if a company purchased other competing
businesses to promote their own, that they will regard this as anything but
a hostile demand.

What I would like to see however, is that at least the fully developed
version of Window-Eyes was still available to purchase or upgrade as well as
that itps related apps and software is made available for access to licensed
owners of the software.

I wish you luck and hope that I am incorrect that Vispero will allow another
Screen Reader to compete with JAWS or Fusion.

Kind regards,

Amanda Lee



-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2023 5:02 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Sky Mundell 
Subject: Re: WE suddenly notifying me I have an evaluation copy

Hello David. I hate to break it to you, but I don't think there is a way to
fix the problem.
Speaking of W.E, I did a petition to Vispero to try to get it back, but it
probably won't make a difference. Here it is.
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.change%2F=05%7C01%7C%7Cc238107d545e4280ea5008db2be76492%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638152045042253530%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=P%2BXP0HhN0MeoEnuaWSMhO2bmVRPtxGzTStjthKmHZyQ%3D=0.
org%2Fp%2Fvispero-petition-to-get-the-window-eyes-screen-reader-back-onto-th
e-market-b135ee08-520d-4e6d-a4b4-1bd4cfad81ad=05%7C01%7C%7C3706991d6228
4c7ed22508db2bc659be%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C6381519031
43996065%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI
6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D

Re: WE suddenly notifying me I have an evaluation copy

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Amanda, Please!, Please!, say it isn't so!


Has Code Factory shut down their server permanently, or is this a 
temporary problem.



I must say that I really like Eloquence, but haven't been totally 
satisfied with either Code Factory's version, nor that which comes with 
JAWS.



The one problem I find with the factory's version is that it goes past 
my most comfortable WE reading speed of 41  to either a step or so below 
or above. And JAWS Eloquence doesn't pause appropriately between 
sentences, which doesn't seem to bother enough users for Vispairo 
(spelling) to do anything about it.



Sure wish I  hadn't gotten rid of, or maybe lost would be more like it, 
my version of Window-Eyes with an independent version of Eloquence, so 
that I might be able to use it with any screen reader, at least 
theoretically anyway.



I really might be much more willing to completely switch over to either 
JAWS or NVDA if I could only hear Eloquence the way I wish to hear it.





On 3/23/2023 2:42 PM, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote:

Actually Window-Eyes for Office still works, provided you have a licensed
version of Microsoft Office.

I had some issues for awhile, but when I recently set up a new computer, it
was really easiest for me to run the file and use it to finish setting up
the computer.

The annoying issue though is that Code Factory has shut down their server
for the three different licenses that I purchased for Eloquence and none
were fully used.

That's not related to GW Micro or Vispero.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 1:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Darrell Bowles 
Subject: RE: WE suddenly notifying me I have an evaluation copy

I wish that windowe eyes for office still worked.
Thanks,
Darrell


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 1:45 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: amandainparadise...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: WE suddenly notifying me I have an evaluation copy

Unfortunately, although I agree with the sentiments, there are flaws in this
petition.

It is not going to occur, that if a company purchased other competing
businesses to promote their own, that they will regard this as anything but
a hostile demand.

What I would like to see however, is that at least the fully developed
version of Window-Eyes was still available to purchase or upgrade as well as
that itps related apps and software is made available for access to licensed
owners of the software.

I wish you luck and hope that I am incorrect that Vispero will allow another
Screen Reader to compete with JAWS or Fusion.

Kind regards,

Amanda Lee



-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2023 5:02 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Sky Mundell 
Subject: Re: WE suddenly notifying me I have an evaluation copy

Hello David. I hate to break it to you, but I don't think there is a way to
fix the problem.
Speaking of W.E, I did a petition to Vispero to try to get it back, but it
probably won't make a difference. Here it is.
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.change.
org%2Fp%2Fvispero-petition-to-get-the-window-eyes-screen-reader-back-onto-th
e-market-b135ee08-520d-4e6d-a4b4-1bd4cfad81ad=05%7C01%7C%7C3706991d6228
4c7ed22508db2bc659be%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C6381519031
43996065%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI
6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=uwNEqT%2B6ml6mAsmH0e9S34jlK%2B
glfV8941DmxBtQU90%3D=0
Then, after I did the petition, I put the petition on the audio games.net
forum
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.audio
games.net%2Ftopic%2F47955%2Fwhy-i-did-the-petition-to-get-the-windoweyes-scr
een-reader-back%2F=05%7C01%7C%7C3706991d62284c7ed22508db2bc659be%7C84df
9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638151903143996065%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbG
Zsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3
000%7C%7C%7C=rTHSQ69hxEJLtT1EQqlG7Gj9%2F5QZgekc5bGNcAITgPQ%3D
=0

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.audio
games.net%2Ftopic%2F41363%2Fpetition-to-get-windoweyes-screen-reader-back-on
to-the-market%2F=05%7C01%7C%7C3706991d62284c7ed22508db2bc659be%7C84df9e
7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638151903143996065%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZs
b3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C300
0%7C%7C%7C=2%2Fujj2W9DTqagau%2BOnXY5q1wD71c%2Bh%2F%2B3jZm1qBD%2FEI%3D&
reserved=0

On Mar 21, 2023, at 9:51 AM, David Hoff Jr via Talk

 wrote:

I have the latest version of WE (9.5.4.0), install several years ago,
on Windows 7. About a week ago I started getting a notice at bootup
that I have an evaluation copy only and should contact  the I Square

office.

So far this is just an irritant, but I am concerned it may stop
working in the near future. Has 

Re: Thunderbird problem

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Mike,


Although I sure hope that someone has a satisfactory solution to your 
issue, I'm afraid that WE is simply becoming less and less usable as 
time goes on.



As for me and Thunderbird, If I wish to simply read a message, I have to 
select the entire message with ctrl+a, and use the read to end combo 
ctrl+shift+r, but there is really no way to use the editor, all of this 
at least with the 64bit version. Chances are that if I had not chosen to 
upgrade in this way, Thunderbird would be more manageable. As it is, I 
have to move to either The Fish, or NVDA to make any significant use of 
Thunderbird.



Another way to read text in a message is to save to either a text or 
html file, but what a PITA.



Frankly, the thing tha t keeps me attached to WE is the Winamp scripts, 
and not least, WE's version of Eloquence. I really do not like the 
reading pace of Eloquence with JAWS, and increasingly NVDA. I will have 
to admit though, to using an illegal version of IBM Eloquence with NVDA, 
and can't make use of my Code Factory edition of same with either screen 
reader for some reason.



Anyway, that is only my two cents worth on the matter, and I'm quite 
sure that is just about all it is worth .



Have a great day,


Larry

On 10/30/2022 7:46 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Everyone


Continuing the thread of email, I have a different issue.


For a couple of years now Thunderbird is proving almost impossible to 
edit or modify the text I am writing.  Writing continuously there 
isn't any difficulties.  However, if I need to cursor up to check what 
I have written, I then start to get duplicate lines. Usually, there is 
just one additional line but if I need to go up or down repeatedly, I 
will get more and more copies of the same line.



I don't think these extra lines are actually there but WE certainly 
keeps reading them.



Sometimes I have to resort to writing the text in notepad and then 
copying it across.  Since I moved to Windows 11 notepad is also 
becoming a problem.



With thanks


Mike.


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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Ah yes Rick, what you say is so true. I wish everyone whose found 
comfort and satisfaction with a particular voice to be able to keep and 
maintain it. I just wish the people at FS would take seriously this 
pacing issue. I really can't believe that so many people can be 
satisfied with such unnatural verbal delivery.



I really don't wish to argue about this, because I, at least on this 
issue, know that my mind can never be changed, not out of stubbornness, 
but on the knowledge that most people do not speak like JAWS speaks or 
reads in natural conversation.



With that, I will wish everyone a safe and happy day ,


Larry



On 1/10/2022 8:58 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
I have had triple talk USB for manyh years, and I use it with wineyes 
all the time and for my money it pronounces every word correctly, and 
does well with punctuation.  Even though it does not have a human 
voice it is very easy to understand.  I do have deck talk usb too, but 
I do not like it because it sounds like it has way to much to drink.  
When I use JAWS I use Kloe for my voice.  She seems to be the clearest 
of all the voices with the exception of David.  Either way there are 
some good synths, and some really poor ones.  I guess it comes down to 
which one a  person prefers.

Regards Rick

On 1/10/2022 8:35 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
That's really weird.  DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than 
eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when 
they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so 
they had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as 
good as the external, but it's still better than eloquence.  Artic is 
the first synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one 
of those evas things with dos in it.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Glad ya like it, and I hope you never lose it.

On 1/10/2022 8:35 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
That's really weird.  DecTalk is so much clearer and louder than 
eloquence. It's even better if you have an external one; because when 
they made dectalk 32, they apparently lost the original specs, so they 
had to cobble it together however they could, so it's not as good as 
the external, but it's still better than eloquence.  Artic is the 
first synthetic speech I had in my first computer, which was one of 
those evas things with dos in it.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2022 1:43 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

I remember back over 30 years ago, when I was trying to put my first PC 
together, I thought I just had to have Dectalk, because that is what I 
heard when getting introduced to OCR stand alone products, such as 
Kurzweil and Arkenstone. When listening to the Kurzweil stand alone, the 
synth was Dectalk, while the Arkenstone was being demonstrated to me 
using Artic BusinessVision. I really hated that Artic speech, but due to 
financial constraints ended up with Artic anyway, and I actually learned 
to like it. Now, I don't know if I could ever return to Artic After all 
of these years (even if it were at all possible), but one thing for 
certain, I cannot stand Dectalk.




On 1/8/2022 12:04 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
Wow! I really like Eloquence, especially compared to (what is it) deck 
talk? Whatever

the WE default speech synthesizer is.
On 1/8/2022 11:57 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Browse mode to read emails?  I'm not doing it on the web.  Oh, the 
thing I don't like about eloquence, which is what jaws has, is not 
only that it sounds like it's drunk with a plugged up nose, but that 
if there is no punctuation mark after a certain amount of time, it 
starts winding down like its batteries are dying.  After all these 
years, they have never fixed that. Shame on them!  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 10:15 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Pam, if you are reading email with Thunderbird, you are definitely using 
browse mode. As a matter of fact, when I go to reply to a message, I 
must turn off browse mode before I can begin composing the message.



Ah, Ive just gotta mention this little funny. When writing the word 
"composing," I mistakenly wrote the word "composting."



Now what I'm telling you about browse mode isn't compost. Try turning on 
Browse mode and see if that works. Some times the answers and solutions 
aren't that simple, but who knows, maybe it will work for you.



Now as for Eloquence, I'll have to agree with you about the descending 
pitch in those circumstances, but that isn't quite the deal breaker that 
the reading delivery is proving to be.



And BTW, this issue is not only evident with Eloquence with JFW, but all 
other synths included with the program as well.



I also don't hear the speech as in any way slurred, but if I did, I 
would also have a problem with it as well. Of course, most of this that 
we think we hear is indeed quite subjective, with the possible exception 
of my particular complaint .



Long live Eloquence, with all its faults,

Larry



On 1/8/2022 10:57 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Browse mode to read emails?  I'm not doing it on the web.  Oh, the 
thing I don't like about eloquence, which is what jaws has, is not 
only that it sounds like it's drunk with a plugged up nose, but that 
if there is no punctuation mark after a certain amount of time, it 
starts winding down like its batteries are dying.  After all these 
years, they have never fixed that. Shame on them!  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 10:15 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

I realize that this might be a long shot, and at the same time, a big 
duh, but are you sure that browse mode is actually kicking in?



Shoot, I guess if this starts happening to me, I would probably be 
tempted  to finally give up on WE altogether.



I, like all of us WE die-hards, are still so comfortable with this once 
great screen reader. I must admit to being a bit timid when it comes to 
completely submitting to the ways of the shark.



The main reason, outside of WE's overall ease of use for sticking with 
WE has more to do with JAW's read all settings. IMHO, JAWS simply 
doesn't allow enough of an appropriate pause between the end and 
beginnings of sentences. It reads in such a way that I simply wouldn't 
tolerate from a human reader. I mean, if narrators/readers on commercial 
recordings, or in house so to speak were to read in such a manner, let's 
just say that they would fail the audition.



I say all of this just to say that I am a user of Bookshare, and do 
quite a bit of reading on my PC, and WE's verbal pacing using Eloquence 
to me is more human sounding than these more human sounding voices, but 
only because of the way these people at Vespero (spelling) have chosen 
to manipulate speech delivery in say all mode.



As it stands, when using JAWS, I have to use Code Factory Eloquence, 
which reads more to my satisfaction, but with another issue. That 
version of Eloquence simply passes up my favored normal rate of speed 
of  Window-Eyes's 41 to a step or two higher than I' like to read most 
of the time.




I also use IE for DAISY text books, but for little else.


WE is just a combination good/bad habit that I know I am ultimately 
going to have to break, and I'm sure most of you all have come to the 
same conclusion. There are things that WE will not read that both JAWS 
and Narrator will, but on rare occasion, WE will still come through, but 
these are becoming les and less frequent as time goes on. Too bad.



Oh well, I've rambled on far longer than I planned too. Don't wish to 
get into any arguments about all of this. But just suffice it to say, 
that we sure lost a hell of a great product with a fine company behind it.



On 1/7/2022 6:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I am using windows 7 and I have that problem.  I checked to see, in 
the control pannel, whether the set file for thunderbird was at the 
top, and it was.  But I still can't read the body of a message. Pam.


-Original Message- From: Rick Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2022 12:47 PM
To: Donald Roberts via Talk
Cc: Rick Jarvis
Subject: Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2



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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Well Bernie, I have a feeling that focus annoyance isn't one of those 
things that will go away any time soon. I mean, if others find that to 
be the pain that we do, you think that people would complain in droves, 
but apparently not.



I'm sure glad you got the message body issue worked out though. 
Hopefully I wont be running into anything  as serious as that with the 
bird round here.


Take care and stay safe,

Larry


On 1/6/2022 5:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:
Hi Lary,  Yes, I have been having the same issue.  It is quite 
annoying.  I am not sure when this behavior began.  Also, near the end 
of last November,TB did an upgrade and suddenly I was not able to get 
any new messages.  I think it might have something to do with changing 
longin procedures on my two email providers   I rolled back my system 
to the checkpoint that was done at the time of the TB upgrade and 
voila all was well again except for the focus switching issue.  Bernie


On 1/6/2022 2:41 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Rick,


I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have had 
to learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is that 
Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the mail 
account/server I happen to be using at the time.



Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I 
might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of 
mail boxes, more specifically, my inbox.



Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found 
a way around it?



PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, 
I apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original 
issue. Just hope I don't confront that one in the future.



Larry



On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and 
thunderbird.  I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to 
read everything with no problems.

Wish I could help you regards Rick

On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. 
Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began 
several months ago.


Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen 
reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 
2021 to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I 
can no longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W 
E with Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I 
can read the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body.


Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud 
Hutton indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which 
nowneeded to be disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder 
whether this could be the problem when attempting to read email 
using Thunderbird. If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I 
would appreciate knowing which W E apps need to be disabled.


I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read 
email using W E.


Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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Re: Window-eyes 9.5.4 and Thunderbird 91.2

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Rick,


I, like you, am not experiencing this issue. The one issue I have had to 
learn to put up with for the past couple of months or so is that 
Thunderbird losing focus whenever a new message comes onto the mail 
account/server I happen to be using at the time.



Whenever arrowing through a list of messages, no matter which box I 
might be in, this happens. It throws me back to the first level of mail 
boxes, more specifically, my inbox.



Are by chance you experiencing this issue, and if so, have you found a 
way around it?



PS It just occurred to me that I might be hijacking a thread. If so, I 
apologize. I certainly hope you have by now solved the original issue. 
Just hope I don't confront that one in the future.



Larry



On 1/6/2022 11:47 AM, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
Rick here, and I am not having that problem with wineyes and 
thunderbird.  I don't know what settings I have, but I am able to read 
everything with no problems.

Wish I could help you regards Rick

On 10/22/2021 2:07 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
I am running a recent version of Windows 10 on my Dell desktop. 
Although I currently use Thunderbird 91.2, this problem began several 
months ago.


Whenever possible, I prefer to use Window-eyes 9.5.4 as my screen 
reader of choice. When something doesn't work, I switch to Jaws 2021 
to see whether things work better. When it comes to email, I can no 
longer use Window-eyes and must use Jaws. If I try to use W E with 
Thunderbird, I can no longer read the body of any message. I can read 
the to, from, and subject fields but not the message body.


Although I don't recall the specifics, several months ago, Rud Hutton 
indicated that there were some Window-eyes apps which nowneeded to be 
disabled in recent versions of Windows 10. I wonder whether this 
could be the problem when attempting to read email using Thunderbird. 
If anyone remembers what I am talking about, I would appreciate 
knowing which W E apps need to be disabled.


I realize this is a long shot, but I would certainly prefer to read 
email using W E.


Thanks in advance for feedback.

Don Roberts

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Re: W E and Thunderbird

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

One thing you might take notice of is that WE will not read the options 
dialog box. I loaded NVDA at the same time, and NVDA read the options 
flawlessly, I guess, but WE would definitely not read them at all.





On 7/18/2021 5:24 PM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:
you may re-load t-bird so WE can get a focus, I've had some success 
that way.


Curtis Delzer
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K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

cur...@calweb.com

On 7/18/2021 1:17 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
If no one on this list uses both Window-eyes 9.5.4 as well as 
Thunderbird 78.1.10, I am probably up the creek without a paddle. I 
should also mention that I am running probably the latest version of 
Windows 10 on an HP elite book 840.


I have never had the below problem on older versions of Thunderbird, 
but I just installed the latest version of Thunderbird on this new 
laptop.


It is difficult to describe because I can't find a consistent pattern 
in addition to which it shows up but far less frequently when using 
Jaws 2021. At any rate what happens is that the message lists work 
fine, but when I open an individual message, I see normal headers and 
all links, absolutely no message body. On one occasion when using W E 
and attempting to read a TB message, I saw something which said 
something like "document to saved files" or something similar. The 
intermittent problems are of course the most difficult to diagnose. 
When I checked in Thunderbird, Thunderbird.set is loaded, and of 
course that wave file of the birds loaded as well.


Sorry for the seemingly unrelated frragments of info, but as stated 
previously, I can't find a consistent pattern, and I am tearing out 
what little hair I have left.


A few months ago, Rod Hutton mentioned some problematic files with 
recent versions of Windows 10 and W E. This seems unlikely in this 
instance because Jaws also occasionally shows this issue.
At this point I feel compelled to ask whether there is any other 
viable email option. The version of mail which comes with Windows 10 
is in my opinion a bad joke. W E can read the message list and the 
reading pain, but pressing enter accomplishes nothing. If I use Jaws 
with mail, I can read the entire message, but Jaws won't announce the 
sender's name unless I have misconfigured it.



Ideas please.

Thanks.

Don Roberts

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Re: found notepad problem I think

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Hey Butch, I actually intended to respond much earlier to your issue 
with Notepad, but happy you were able to finally figure out the source.



I had a similar issue with Thunderbird some time ago. I thought it was 
some how associated with Thunderbird itself, and kind of embarrassed 
myself a bit when asking members of the Thunderbird list how they might 
go about silencing a cute, but annoying sound affect of a loud 
thunderclap, along with a loudly tweeting bird I mean, this thing would 
some time even go off while using the program, or maybe when moving from 
one app to another with the alt-f4 keys. Of course, none on the list 
were experiencing this annoyance but me, and some were wishing that 
their version of Thunderbird would thunder and tweet at them like that.



Well, it didn't take me long to consider that a script might be 
responsible for the sound. So, I did a search through all .wav files on 
my system, and low and behold, I found the offending sound affect, and I 
proceeded to delete the sound with TotalRecorder, and insert silence 
where the thunderbird used to be, and all was well. Of course the script 
was TBEnhanced.



I must be getting a bit slow in my advanced age, because that incident 
didn't occur to me until others suggested that this might be the 
problem, or maybe you actually figured it out for yourself .



Anyway, just had to share that experience with you.


On 6/26/2021 9:33 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
Thanks. It turned out to be some script someone wrote that was run 
whenever notepad was opened.  The script was called notepad2. Took me 
quite a while to find it, but once I did, I dumped that script and 
back to normal.

Thanks.
On Sun, 27 Jun 2021, Rod Hutton wrote:


Hi Butch,

I did a Google search and found that notepad2 is a program that can 
be found on github.

Here is the URL:

https://github.com/zufuliu/notepad2

Somehow the computer you have was tweaked by someone and that program 
was installed.
I�m not sure if you have any experience with github, but it is 
usually possible to uninstall any  github packages.


I hope this helps,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: Talk 
 on behalf 
of Butch Bussen via Talk 

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 3:15:04 AM
To: Tom Kingston via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen 
Subject: found notepad problem I think

A script called notepad2.  Oddly enough, it doesn't show up under app or
73
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Re: JAWS and read-all

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

David, Thanks much for the tip. I will look into it.



On 6/22/2021 2:35 AM, David Pedersen via Talk wrote:

Larry,
Quick note. If you already bought TextAloud, get in touch with Nextup.  Let 
them know your email address, used when purchasing. They should be able to look 
you up, and send you your license key again. OK, so TextAloud will have been 
upgraded meanwhile, and you may have lost the original installation file. Yet, 
with the license key at hand, you will only neede to pay the upgrade price, 
which might be some dollars saved for your next milkshake.
You find their contact info on the homepage.



From: Talk  on behalf of 
Larry Higgins via Talk 
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 6:48 PM
To: David Pedersen via Talk 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: Re: JAWS and read-all

David and all,


Sorry about the delayed response to this renewed thread concerning my
issue with Say all and JFW. Father's Day and other family matters.

Like you David, I can't recommend TextAloud highly enough. Although I do
not use it at present, my previous version was lost a couple of hard
drive crashes ago, It really can come in handy for putting .mp3 readings
on another device, and being able to manipulate the speed of the text
presentation. Not to mention, not having to put up with the irritating
reading rhythm issues
we are talking  about.

Like now with any screen reader I might use, I always chose to use
Eloquence as my preferred synthesizer with TextAloud.

I think I will definitely consider purchasing it again in the near
future. It is definitely a good and useful product.

Let me just say what I need to say about the previous suggestions in
this post. But before I do, I really wish to thank you all for your
moral support as well as technical advice on the matter.

I may go to the trouble of trying these tricks with text and punctuation
and the dictionary, although I must say that seems to me to be a whole
lot of trouble to have to go too for trying to restore what should be
the normal reading rhythm, not to mention, unintended consequences. But
thanks nevertheless for these suggestions.

What really has me befuddled is how JAWS users can be apparently so
contented with such a manner and style of reading. I've heard one JFW
list member speak of it as preferring it as a way of speeding up his
reading just that much more, especially since he prefers to read at a
faster clip as a rule. I like being able to speed read when both
practical and necessary, but I much prefer to read at what one might
consider a middle or moderate speed when I set out to read especially
nonfiction works, where I wish to think right along with my reading. I
prefer to keep both processes as much in sync as at all possible, not to
read as if I were hurrying  to a fire . Hope that makes sense.
But people's various comfort levels are strictly their business. I just
don't like reading with a sense of involuntary impatience, which is what
this rhythm sounds like to me.

Oh well, I  think I'd better cease my ramblings before I end up
confusing everybody.

I would be grateful for any further ideas and discussion concerning this
issue.

Thanks again all of you for your kind  patients and suggestions,

Larry




On 6/19/2021 12:50 AM, David Pedersen via Talk wrote:

Richard, TextAloud is a standalone software, for converting a text  > file or 
document into spoken audio. It was devoped for sighted

users, > like students or others who has to read lengthy multitudes of
texts. > The idea is that by use of audio, the reading can be performed
even > on the go - when you are not near any computer. It further may
prove > helpful with people who are dyslectics, as they can read by
audio, > without struggling with their reading capacities. > > As such,
and as a reply to your question, no TextAloud will not > enterfere with
the reading performed by the screen reader. In its > basic nature,
TextAloud can - and is supposed to - be operated all > without any
screen reader installed. That is, for a sighted person. > True, I did
mention the software in connection with the screen > reader, namely due
to the extra length the developers have gone, so > as to ensure the
software - and all its menus and settings, are all > accessible to the
blind. Meaning, they clearly are quite aware our > needs. Not too often
you come across teams that are such willing. > > You will still be using
the screen reader for all your computer > activity. TextAloud you will
load when you want to read a text > document, either it be a word
document, a PDF, or a plain text file. > And yes, it holds a build-in
text editor, so you might as well let > it replace your current editor,
for many tasks. > > Since it is offered as a shareware, you could
download and install > it, and do your playing. I do think it is
something like amonth you > get, before you have to pay. And I wonder if
I paid s

Re: JAWS and read-all

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

er as best you can, and then try replacing some of > the commas and 
periods with different combinations of punctuations. > The benefit of 
using several alternatives throughout the document, is > that as you 
perform a say-it-all operation, you will see how well > this or that one 
works. Once you have narrowed down a couple of > alternatives, try them 
out in the complete document. Use the > Find/Replace feature, to quickly 
implement a given combination, in > all cases. > > Whenever you are 
satisfied, it is a breeze to enter the correct info > in the dictionary, 
and enjoy the experience. Might not be a total > fix, but even some 
enhancement will do your ears well. > > Last solution would be, to get 
in touch with the manufacturer of your > synth (if possible), letting 
them know your issue. Hope for an > upgrade to the synth, and who knows 
if you happened to solve an issue > for the many. > > > 
 From: Richard Petty > 
 Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 6:22 AM > 
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'  Cc: > 
'David Pedersen'  Subject: RE: JAWS and > 
read-all > > I used Eloquence with Window-Eyes for years and it paused 
as it > should for punctuation. It read expressively. Eloquence 
operating > with JAWS does not pause. I've tried multiple settings 
without > success. > > Please help with a question about TextAloud. Can 
TextAloud operate > with a screen reader such as JAWS to enhance the 
reading experience > while using the screen reader? From your message, 
David, I fear you > are indicating the answer is no. Still, I thought I 
would at least > check. > > Thank you. > > Richard Petty > > > 
-Original Message- From: Talk > 
 On > 
Behalf Of David Pedersen via Talk Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 4:57 > PM 
To: Larry Higgins via Talk  Cc: David > 
Pedersen  Subject: Re: JAWS and read-all > > 
Larry, I know what you are talking, and among other things, it's one > 
of the reasons why I don't use Jaws much. As one of the others > pointed 
out, it might to a certain degree depend on the synthesizer. > But like 
you stated, you have tested several synths, and the many > settings. 
Have to admit, that even under WinEyes I have seen the > behavior with 
certain, less known synths. One of my synths here, has > the breaks you 
would expect to have at the period, ehenever it comes > to a comma. And 
likewise, when it comes to a comma, it will only have > the pausing that 
you normally would have at the end of a phrase. > This all causes the 
narrating to make long pauses in the middle of > the phrase, and almost 
no pausing between the sentences - meaning > tthat you many times loose 
the mainpoint in thhhe text. > > Afraid I do not have much other 
comfort here, but letting you know > you are not alone. And it is most 
likely the result of sluggish > handling, in the synth, just as much as 
in the screen reader. By the > way, I do see it even under the TalkBack 
with Android, combined with > some synths. > > Agreed, with Jaws it 
seems to be the case with all synthesizers, > leading me to conclude 
that the screen reader does not communicate > well enough with the 
synths - or, could it be that I just have not > tested the right synths. 
Smiles. > > If you want to read books, and you really want to put a bit 
of > resources into the project, I would suggest you check out the > 
shareware named TextAloud, manufactured by Nextup.com. It will leave > 
you numerous ways of tayloring your reading experience. You have many > 
adjustments for speed, and pausing. You can, if you want the extra > 
job, have given parts of a text read out with an alternative voice, > 
like whatever is enclosed in parenthesis, or quotations. All you need > 
is the TextAloud software, and one or more SAPI voices. Nextup sells > 
you what you need, and offers you high-end voices, like the Ivona and > 
Vocalizer ones - all to affordable prices. The software developing > 
team is well aware of screen reader users, hence the software has > 
setups for you and me. Smiles. And, they are quick and friendly in > 
helping you out, should you send them a message. Best of all, you > even 
get the chance of converting your text files into MP3s, that you > can 
actually generate your personalized audiobook of t he the file, > and 
replay it on your portable player wherever you want. Even if you > want 
to split a long text into individual smaller files, like if you > want 
each chapter of your book to be in its own file, it has helpful > 
features to perform such automatically, in a rather short and > 
intuitive manner. > > OK, so it does not solve your issue, when browsing 
the net, or > sorting your mailbox. But it would greatly help you out,

JAWS and read-all

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

To whomever might be left to read this, I hope that you might have some 
suggestions, or at least observations on what I consider to be almost a 
deal-breaking issue when it comes to re-upping my annual subscription to 
JAWS. BTW, I have brought this to the attention to JFW list members, but 
have received no satisfactory answers. This issue is the way that JAWS 
and its say-all feature paces its reading of any document, no matter 
what synthesizer might be being used. I like to call it "reading rhythm."



When reading, the phrasing is rushed in my opinion, meaning that the 
ends and beginnings of sentences are so close together that it is hard 
for me to process what went before before I've had a chance to mentally 
prepare myself for the next phrase, or sentence, whichever might present 
itself while reading.



I do not have this issue with WE. WE has a pleasant reading pace-rhythm.

I have tried all of the settings provided in the say-all options,  but 
none of them restore that kind of rhythm, not to my liking.



On another list, when I occasionally have to make mention of 
Window-Eyes, I get the old song and dance about giving up Window-Eyes 
(an end of life product) in favor of the latest screen reading product, 
and I would do just that if I could find a way around this kind of 
unpleasant style of reading. This really does take away from my 
enjoyment of reading with my PC.



If anybody who might be left is of the same opinion, or has any ideas as 
to how to get around this rather vexing issue, please respond ASAP 
. Your solidarity, not to mention wisdom will be gratefully 
appreciated.



Sincerely,


Larry


PS. I will observe, that NOAA Weather stations do not use the JFW style 
when presenting weather info, so why should I have to put up with this 
as a blind computer user and voracious PC book reader?



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Re: Can't find a Window-Eyes command

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Donald,


I  just went through the hotkey manager with a fine tooth comb, and can 
find no such command.



Are you absolutely sure that WE got as far as to even introduce such a 
command before its tragic end of life? I believe both JAWS and NVDA have 
such a command, or maybe a way of accessing such a function built into 
windows 10, but I really don't believe Window-Eyes ever introduced 
anything relating to that particular function.


On 3/20/2021 8:41 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Would someone please tell me the Window-Eyes command to append to 
clipboard.



Thanks.


Don Roberts


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Re: JAWS and Eloquence

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

This may indeed not be an issue for every Eloquence user, to each his 
own. However, although I wasn't even aware that NVDA came with 
Eloquence, if I use Code Factory's version of Eloquence, the pauses are 
the same as WE. The only issue I have with CF is that it goes a step 
above and a step below my preferred reading speed, but I have ways of 
getting around that. I can use Goldwave's text to speech to create .mp3 
files for listening to long stretches for books and such.



What can I say?, if most people actually prefer to have their speech 
delivery this way, then more power to them, but for me, it takes a heck 
of a lot of getting used too.



On 3/2/2021 5:06 AM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:

This has not really bothered me. I turned on WE and did notice the
difference. I also tried NVDA with Eloquence and it is like JAWS with no
pauses. Maybe it was WE that changed Eloquence to have the pauses?
- Original Message -
From: "Larry Higgins via Talk" 
To: "WindowEyes List" 
Cc: "Larry Higgins" 
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 11:15 AM
Subject: JAWS and Eloquence


Listers,

I know that this is a list devoted to our beloved Window-Eyes, and
die-hards like you and me, so excuse having to bring up the fish.

As it is, I am an occasional user of said screen reader, but for me
there has been a major turnoff since the very first time I
attempted to befriend the thing . It goes as follows. And I
really hope that some of you have dealt with this issue successfully.

It would seem that the folks who write the codes for JAWS have chosen to
muck with their version of the Eloquence synthesizer, and by doing so,
have messed up the pacing of it's delivery.

The problem as I have experienced it is the matter of how Eloquence
manages sentences. Instead of an appropriate pausing between sentences,
JAWS Eloquence takes no pause at all for periods, but continues in a
kind of blue streak affect that doesn't give one even enough
time to digest the sentence as its own entity, you might say.

I definitely prefer WE's pacing when it comes to sentences in
particular. I'm not talking about a pregnant pause between sentences
like you would get if you set it up to make such pauses, but a more
natural pause in the manner of the Window-Eyes presentation.


I hope this is all making sense, but it seems to me that some of you
Eloquence users might know just what I am talking about, and also how to
solve the problem. But who knows, maybe JAWS has simply created through
their own version of Eloquence this issue,
and that their is no solution at all other than a slight rewrite of
their code which I'm sure I would have to move heaven and earth to
convince them to do.

Speaking of code, when I use my Code Factory Eloquence, the sentence
pacing is correct, but they have their speed settings such that it goes
a step either above or below my preferred reading level.
I don't consider myself to be a total slow-poke when it comes to
reading, though I like to set my reading speed at 41 when using
Window-Eyes, a leisurely pace for me, but I am not quite sure of the
exact speed that WE would indicate if they had been using Code Factory
as their default version of Eloquence.

Anyway, if some kind user would please tell me if indeed there is or is
not a solution for this, and for me anyway, major issue, I would really
appreciate hearing from you.

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to get serious about learning JAWS, as
my yearly subscription started in September of last year, but WE is
still working reasonably for the apps I most often use, though less and
less so it seems with each new update. But, I'm going to have to decide
if it is worth paying that annual subscription fee to maintain it, or
start focusing on NVDA or Narrator as my screen reader of choice.

A big thanks in advance for any advice you all might have on this issue,


Larry

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Of Eloquence and JAWS, an attempt at clarification

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Listers,


I still hope that someone can share their experience with JAWS Eloquence.


What I wish to note is that I brought this issue up on the JFW List a 
few months ago, and received no satisfactory suggestions on the issue, 
and the attitude I was faced with was more or less learn to live with 
it, or even those who denied the problem altogether. That is why I chose 
to bring it here, just hoping that a fellow Window-Eyes user might be in 
a position to offer some advice.



Just thought you might appreciate knowing my reasons for choosing to 
post my inquiry here.



Sincerely,


Larry

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JAWS and Eloquence

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Listers,

I know that this is a list devoted to our beloved Window-Eyes, and 
die-hards like you and me, so excuse having to bring up the fish.


As it is, I am an occasional user of said screen reader, but for me 
there has been a major turnoff since the very first time I 
attempted to befriend the thing . It goes as follows. And I 
really hope that some of you have dealt with this issue successfully.


It would seem that the folks who write the codes for JAWS have chosen to 
muck with their version of the Eloquence synthesizer, and by doing so, 
have messed up the pacing of it's delivery.


The problem as I have experienced it is the matter of how Eloquence 
manages sentences. Instead of an appropriate pausing between sentences, 
JAWS Eloquence takes no pause at all for periods, but continues in a 
kind of blue streak affect that doesn't give one even enough

time to digest the sentence as its own entity, you might say.

I definitely prefer WE's pacing when it comes to sentences in 
particular. I'm not talking about a pregnant pause between sentences 
like you would get if you set it up to make such pauses, but a more 
natural pause in the manner of the Window-Eyes presentation.



I hope this is all making sense, but it seems to me that some of you 
Eloquence users might know just what I am talking about, and also how to 
solve the problem. But who knows, maybe JAWS has simply created through 
their own version of Eloquence this issue,
and that their is no solution at all other than a slight rewrite of 
their code which I'm sure I would have to move heaven and earth to 
convince them to do.


Speaking of code, when I use my Code Factory Eloquence, the sentence 
pacing is correct, but they have their speed settings such that it goes 
a step either above or below my preferred reading level.
I don't consider myself to be a total slow-poke when it comes to 
reading, though I like to set my reading speed at 41 when using 
Window-Eyes, a leisurely pace for me, but I am not quite sure of the 
exact speed that WE would indicate if they  had been using Code Factory 
as their default version of Eloquence.


Anyway, if some kind user would please tell me if indeed there is or is 
not a solution for this, and for me anyway, major issue, I would really 
appreciate hearing from you.


Unfortunately, I'm going to have to get serious about learning JAWS, as 
my yearly subscription started in September of last year, but WE is 
still working reasonably for the apps I most often use, though less and 
less so it seems with each new update. But, I'm going to have to decide 
if it is worth paying that annual subscription fee to maintain it, or 
start focusing on NVDA or Narrator as my screen reader of choice.


A big thanks in advance for any advice you all might have on this issue,


Larry

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Re: Has anyone tried the latest version of Winamp with WE9.5.4.0?

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Hey Rod, great to hear from you, and to know that you are still alive 
and well. All are still up and walkin' round here.



As for Winamp, that option for two versions of Winamp on the same 
machine kinda escaped my memory. As of this moment, I haven't done 
anything with the new beta. I thought I'd give it a try on Monday, but I 
happened to be listening to an audio stream at the time and didn't wish 
to interrupt my listening, so I aborted the installation. I will get 
back to it some time this week, I'm sure, and will let ya know how 
things turned out.



Again, thanks for the reminder,


Larry



On 8/30/2020 4:42 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:


Hi Larry,

I’ve been thinking over your note for the last while.

I have not tried the newest Winamp, but it occurs to me that if this newer 
Winamp is anything like the older one, then you could install it in a different 
folder from your current installation and it wouldn’t mess up the older 
installation.
Of course, whatever icon it places on the desktop would refer to the newer 
installation rather than your original installation.
Okay, that would be the first complication, namely, you would be advised to 
rename the desktop icon of your original Winamp so that you would not lose it 
after the new installation overwrote it.
You could then proceed to test the Jeff Bishopscript functionality and see if 
it works.
The only way it would work is if the developer of the newer Winamp keeps the 
names of the key components of the original Winamp application since the Jeff 
Bishop script is tied to these.
Anyway, these are some observations from me, perhaps something to chew on. 
Smile.

Take care,

Rod
  


Sent from my iPod


On Aug 18, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
 wrote:

Guess the subject says it all.


I was looking around  on another list this morning, and someone pointed out a 
link that I never would have thought would play in Winamp, because it seems to 
be accessible only from a specific Web page. In other words, the extension, 
such as it was couldn't possibly be played with Winamp 5.666, but apparently be 
played with 5.8 Beta.


So what I am really asking. Do the Jeff Bishop scripts still work well with the 
latest version of Winamp? I mean, just trying to test this web link might not 
be worth it to me if the scripts will not function as well as they do now.


Any helpful  input on this will be greatly appreciated,


Larry

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Has anyone tried the latest version of Winamp with WE9.5.4.0?

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Guess the subject says it all.


I was looking around  on another list this morning, and someone pointed 
out a link that I never would have thought would play in Winamp, because 
it seems to be accessible only from a specific Web page. In other words, 
the extension, such as it was couldn't possibly be played with Winamp 
5.666, but apparently be played with 5.8 Beta.



So what I am really asking. Do the Jeff Bishop scripts still work well 
with the latest version of Winamp? I mean, just trying to test this web 
link might not be worth it to me if the scripts will not function as 
well as they do now.



Any helpful  input on this will be greatly appreciated,


Larry

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Re: Weather or not

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Boy, sure wish I'd done that.



On 8/10/2020 4:54 PM, Jim Elsner via Talk wrote:

Thanks Mike as I tried your suggestion and it is working.
Jim

On 8/8/2020 4:15 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello


I had the same problem and nothing i did would resolve the problem.  
In the end I copied the "ini" file from another machine and that 
solved the problem.  Keep a copy somewhere safe because I have found 
this to be a reoccurring issue.



Best wishes


Mike.

On 08/08/2020 01:33, Jim Elsner via Talk wrote:
I have a windows 10 machine running we 9.540.  I can not get the 
weather or not utility to work. When I go in and try to set cities 
or zip codes it tells me it can not find the address.  I have it 
working fine on a Win 7 home system.  Please advise.

Jim


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Re: Another test

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Thanks Tom. Sure hope I've got this thing fixed once and for all.


Just wondering, how does this still survive? I'm sure glad it does, but ...

On 7/10/2020 8:46 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Both test messages came through.



On 7/10/2020 9:28 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:


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Another test

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test

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This is only a test.


Still trying to put this list perminantly in my Thunderbird address book.

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Re: Some browser keys not working

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Thanks, and most of all, good luck.


Larry


On 4/3/2020 2:43 PM, Mike via Talk wrote:
ThanksLarry. I've managed to get the pro version which I shouldn't 
have downloaded.  I'll give the loval dealer a call on Monday.  I had 
intended renewing my licence this year and so this is making up my 
mind for me.



Many thanks for your help


Mike.

On 03/04/2020 19:51, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
Mike, Something tells me that you already have this link, but I will 
provide it anyway.



https://www.freedomscientific.com/



According to a post I received about the offer, there is a button on 
the page that should lead you to the free download. You will have to 
fill out a form, then you can move to what I believe I remember being 
a download  link, though it might also be a button.



Also, if I remember, this info goes back to the 20th of March, or 
there abouts, so I can only hope that the offer is still valid.



Let  me know how it goes.



On 4/3/2020 12:57 PM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry


I can't find the download for the trial of Jaws.  Also I can't 
update because my registration has caused Freedom Scientifics Web 
Site to have a funny turn.  Could you please point me in the right 
direction please.



Best wishes


Mike.

On 03/04/2020 18:54, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

I couldn't have said  it better myself.


Stay well,


Larry


On 4/3/2020 12:52 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:
Hi, Yep! I’m angry about it too. Jaws just doesn’t work nearly as 
seamlessly as WE did. And, FS sucks.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 12:44 PM
To: tony c via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working

No doubt about that, but some of us would like to be able to squeeze
the  very life out of it while there is still time.


As I said before in a post of over a week or so ago, I was 
planning to

purchase the annual license the very day the free version of JAWS was
announced, or it would be more accurate to say, the day I was made 
aware
of it, so don't plan to use WE forever. But, what a great screen 
reader
to lose, especially to such a company as Freedom Scientific. I'm 
still

very angry about that.


Enough said.

On 4/3/2020 12:37 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:
I, Window eyes is almost un-useable now with all the updates. 
Soon in a windows update IE will be removed altogether which at 
that time will just about finish of windoweyes.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: Mike via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working

Mike, On that, I have no answer. I guess my question would have 
to be,

are you having any similar difficulties with JAWS lately? If not, I
think that maybe there might possibly be an  updated version of the
common file. But, you must remember, I am still mystified by the 
little

miracle, you might say.


I really would suggest installing the latest version of JAWS, but 
make

sure you sign up for the free trial, and try to install it entirely
separately from the version presently on your system.


Again, I am still somewhat in the dark as to why it worked, I 
only know

it did .

On 4/3/2020 11:40 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry


Thanks for replying.  I've got Jaws 2018 installed on the machine.
Does it matter which version of jaws I have?  Perhaps I needa newer
version.


Best wishes


Mike.

On 03/04/2020 17:12, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Mike,


You might not believe the answer I am  prepared to give you, 
but you

might want  to just give this a shot.


To  begin with I feel  pretty sure that I might have posted about
this over  the past couple of months, but I really can't be 
entirely

sure how often.


What you might try, sign up for and download and install the free
offer from Freedom Scientific for JAWS which will last through 
June
30th. The reason, while I was wrestling with the same issues, I 
could

find no solution no matter what I tried. Settings were of no  use.
But, after installing JAWS, WE and all of its features once again
came alive.


A pretty drastic step I know, but it might be the solution.


Apparently there is a common file used by all screen reading 
programs
that use browse mode. I don't know if it is missing, or if it 
might
have become corrupted, but that is the only reason I can come 
up with

for this working as well as it did.


Anyway, think about it, and maybe give it a try.


HTH,


Larry



On 4/3/2020 10:53 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Everyone

I am having problems with Window-eyes on my laptop. This was a 
new

machine last August and it is running Windows 10 Home 64.

   I am using We 9.5.4.0.  with internet explorer 11 many of 
the keys
to move are not working.  E.g F to jump to edit fields, l for 
links,

C to jump to combo boxes.  This is making it extremely tedious to
find things. Also I am not hearing anything as I type into edit
boxes.  I have tried removing We

Re: Some browser keys not working

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Mike, Something tells me that you already have this link, but I will 
provide it anyway.



https://www.freedomscientific.com/



According to a post I received about the offer, there is a button on the 
page that should lead you to the free download. You will have to fill 
out a form, then you can move to what I believe I remember being a 
download  link, though it might also be a button.



Also, if I remember, this info goes back to the 20th of March, or there 
abouts, so I can only hope that the offer is still valid.



Let  me know how it goes.



On 4/3/2020 12:57 PM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry


I can't find the download for the trial of Jaws.  Also I can't update 
because my registration has caused Freedom Scientifics Web Site to 
have a funny turn.  Could you please point me in the right direction 
please.



Best wishes


Mike.

On 03/04/2020 18:54, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

I couldn't have said  it better myself.


Stay well,


Larry


On 4/3/2020 12:52 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:
Hi, Yep! I’m angry about it too. Jaws just doesn’t work nearly as 
seamlessly as WE did. And, FS sucks.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 12:44 PM
To: tony c via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working

No doubt about that, but some of us would like to be able to squeeze
the  very life out of it while there is still time.


As I said before in a post of over a week or so ago, I was planning to
purchase the annual license the very day the free version of JAWS was
announced, or it would be more accurate to say, the day I was made 
aware

of it, so don't plan to use WE forever. But, what a great screen reader
to lose, especially to such a company as Freedom Scientific. I'm still
very angry about that.


Enough said.

On 4/3/2020 12:37 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:
I, Window eyes is almost un-useable now with all the updates. Soon 
in a windows update IE will be removed altogether which at that 
time will just about finish of windoweyes.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: Mike via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working

Mike, On that, I have no answer. I guess my question would have to be,
are you having any similar difficulties with JAWS lately? If not, I
think that maybe there might possibly be an  updated version of the
common file. But, you must remember, I am still mystified by the 
little

miracle, you might say.


I really would suggest installing the latest version of JAWS, but make
sure you sign up for the free trial, and try to install it entirely
separately from the version presently on your system.


Again, I am still somewhat in the dark as to why it worked, I only 
know

it did .

On 4/3/2020 11:40 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry


Thanks for replying.  I've got Jaws 2018 installed on the machine.
Does it matter which version of jaws I have?  Perhaps I needa newer
version.


Best wishes


Mike.

On 03/04/2020 17:12, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Mike,


You might not believe the answer I am  prepared to give you, but you
might want  to just give this a shot.


To  begin with I feel  pretty sure that I might have posted about
this over  the past couple of months, but I really can't be entirely
sure how often.


What you might try, sign up for and download and install the free
offer from Freedom Scientific for JAWS which will last through June
30th. The reason, while I was wrestling with the same issues, I 
could

find no solution no matter what I tried. Settings were of no  use.
But, after installing JAWS, WE and all of its features once again
came alive.


A pretty drastic step I know, but it might be the solution.


Apparently there is a common file used by all screen reading 
programs

that use browse mode. I don't know if it is missing, or if it might
have become corrupted, but that is the only reason I can come up 
with

for this working as well as it did.


Anyway, think about it, and maybe give it a try.


HTH,


Larry



On 4/3/2020 10:53 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Everyone

I am having problems with Window-eyes on my laptop. This was a new
machine last August and it is running Windows 10 Home 64.

   I am using We 9.5.4.0.  with internet explorer 11 many of the 
keys
to move are not working.  E.g F to jump to edit fields, l for 
links,

C to jump to combo boxes.  This is making it extremely tedious to
find things. Also I am not hearing anything as I type into edit
boxes.  I have tried removing We and reinstalling but get the same
result.  My other machines are both working normally.

   Any suggestions would be appreciated

    Mike

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Re: Some browser keys not working

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

I couldn't have said  it better myself.


Stay well,


Larry


On 4/3/2020 12:52 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:

Hi, Yep! I’m angry about it too. Jaws just doesn’t work nearly as seamlessly as 
WE did. And, FS sucks.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 12:44 PM
To: tony c via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working

No doubt about that, but some of us would like to be able to squeeze
the  very life out of it while there is still time.


As I said before in a post of over a week or so ago, I was planning to
purchase the annual license the very day the free version of JAWS was
announced, or it would be more accurate to say, the day I was made aware
of it, so don't plan to use WE forever. But, what a great screen reader
to lose, especially to such a company as Freedom Scientific. I'm still
very angry about that.


Enough said.

On 4/3/2020 12:37 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:

I, Window eyes is almost un-useable now with all the updates. Soon in a windows 
update IE will be removed altogether which at that time will just about finish 
of windoweyes.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: Mike via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working

Mike, On that, I have no answer. I guess my question would have to be,
are you having any similar difficulties with JAWS lately? If not, I
think that maybe there might possibly be an  updated version of the
common file. But, you must remember, I am still mystified by the little
miracle, you might say.


I really would suggest installing the latest version of JAWS, but make
sure you sign up for the free trial, and try to install it entirely
separately from the version presently on your system.


Again, I am still somewhat in the dark as to why it worked, I only know
it did .

On 4/3/2020 11:40 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry


Thanks for replying.  I've got Jaws 2018 installed on the machine.
Does it matter which version of jaws I have?  Perhaps I needa newer
version.


Best wishes


Mike.

On 03/04/2020 17:12, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Mike,


You might not believe the answer I am  prepared to give you, but you
might want  to just give this a shot.


To  begin with I feel  pretty sure that I might have posted about
this over  the past couple of months, but I really can't be entirely
sure how often.


What you might try, sign up for and download and install the free
offer from Freedom Scientific for JAWS which will last through June
30th. The reason, while I was wrestling with the same issues, I could
find no solution no matter what I tried. Settings were of no  use.
But, after installing JAWS, WE and all of its features once again
came alive.


A pretty drastic step I know, but it might be the solution.


Apparently there is a common file used by all screen reading programs
that use browse mode. I don't know if it is missing, or if it might
have become corrupted, but that is the only reason I can come up with
for this working as well as it did.


Anyway, think about it, and maybe give it a try.


HTH,


Larry



On 4/3/2020 10:53 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Everyone

I am having problems with Window-eyes on my laptop.  This was a new
machine last August and it is running Windows 10 Home 64.

   I am using We 9.5.4.0.  with internet explorer 11 many of the keys
to move are not working.  E.g F to jump to edit fields, l for links,
C to jump to combo boxes.  This is making it extremely tedious to
find things. Also I am not hearing anything as I type into edit
boxes.  I have tried removing We and reinstalling but get the same
result.  My other machines are both working normally.

   Any suggestions would be appreciated

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Re: Some browser keys not working

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

No doubt about that, but some of us would like to be able to squeeze 
the  very life out of it while there is still time.



As I said before in a post of over a week or so ago, I was planning to 
purchase the annual license the very day the free version of JAWS was 
announced, or it would be more accurate to say, the day I was made aware 
of it, so don't plan to use WE forever. But, what a great screen reader 
to lose, especially to such a company as Freedom Scientific. I'm still 
very angry about that.



Enough said.

On 4/3/2020 12:37 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:

I, Window eyes is almost un-useable now with all the updates. Soon in a windows 
update IE will be removed altogether which at that time will just about finish 
of windoweyes.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 11:48 AM
To: Mike via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Some browser keys not working

Mike, On that, I have no answer. I guess my question would have to be,
are you having any similar difficulties with JAWS lately? If not, I
think that maybe there might possibly be an  updated version of the
common file. But, you must remember, I am still mystified by the little
miracle, you might say.


I really would suggest installing the latest version of JAWS, but make
sure you sign up for the free trial, and try to install it entirely
separately from the version presently on your system.


Again, I am still somewhat in the dark as to why it worked, I only know
it did .

On 4/3/2020 11:40 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry


Thanks for replying.  I've got Jaws 2018 installed on the machine.
Does it matter which version of jaws I have?  Perhaps I needa newer
version.


Best wishes


Mike.

On 03/04/2020 17:12, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Mike,


You might not believe the answer I am  prepared to give you, but you
might want  to just give this a shot.


To  begin with I feel  pretty sure that I might have posted about
this over  the past couple of months, but I really can't be entirely
sure how often.


What you might try, sign up for and download and install the free
offer from Freedom Scientific for JAWS which will last through June
30th. The reason, while I was wrestling with the same issues, I could
find no solution no matter what I tried. Settings were of no  use.
But, after installing JAWS, WE and all of its features once again
came alive.


A pretty drastic step I know, but it might be the solution.


Apparently there is a common file used by all screen reading programs
that use browse mode. I don't know if it is missing, or if it might
have become corrupted, but that is the only reason I can come up with
for this working as well as it did.


Anyway, think about it, and maybe give it a try.


HTH,


Larry



On 4/3/2020 10:53 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:


Hello Everyone

I am having problems with Window-eyes on my laptop.  This was a new
machine last August and it is running Windows 10 Home 64.

  I am using We 9.5.4.0.  with internet explorer 11 many of the keys
to move are not working.  E.g F to jump to edit fields, l for links,
C to jump to combo boxes.  This is making it extremely tedious to
find things. Also I am not hearing anything as I type into edit
boxes.  I have tried removing We and reinstalling but get the same
result.  My other machines are both working normally.

  Any suggestions would be appreciated

   Mike

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Re: Some browser keys not working

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Mike, On that, I have no answer. I guess my question would have to be, 
are you having any similar difficulties with JAWS lately? If not, I 
think that maybe there might possibly be an  updated version of the 
common file. But, you must remember, I am still mystified by the little 
miracle, you might say.



I really would suggest installing the latest version of JAWS, but make 
sure you sign up for the free trial, and try to install it entirely 
separately from the version presently on your system.



Again, I am still somewhat in the dark as to why it worked, I only know 
it did .


On 4/3/2020 11:40 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello Larry


Thanks for replying.  I've got Jaws 2018 installed on the machine.  
Does it matter which version of jaws I have?  Perhaps I needa newer 
version.



Best wishes


Mike.

On 03/04/2020 17:12, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Mike,


You might not believe the answer I am  prepared to give you, but you 
might want  to just give this a shot.



To  begin with I feel  pretty sure that I might have posted about 
this over  the past couple of months, but I really can't be entirely 
sure how often.



What you might try, sign up for and download and install the free 
offer from Freedom Scientific for JAWS which will last through June 
30th. The reason, while I was wrestling with the same issues, I could 
find no solution no matter what I tried. Settings were of no  use. 
But, after installing JAWS, WE and all of its features once again 
came alive.



A pretty drastic step I know, but it might be the solution.


Apparently there is a common file used by all screen reading programs 
that use browse mode. I don't know if it is missing, or if it might 
have become corrupted, but that is the only reason I can come up with 
for this working as well as it did.



Anyway, think about it, and maybe give it a try.


HTH,


Larry



On 4/3/2020 10:53 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:



Hello Everyone

I am having problems with Window-eyes on my laptop.  This was a new 
machine last August and it is running Windows 10 Home 64.


 I am using We 9.5.4.0.  with internet explorer 11 many of the keys 
to move are not working.  E.g F to jump to edit fields, l for links, 
C to jump to combo boxes.  This is making it extremely tedious to 
find things. Also I am not hearing anything as I type into edit 
boxes.  I have tried removing We and reinstalling but get the same 
result.  My other machines are both working normally.


 Any suggestions would be appreciated

  Mike

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Re: Some browser keys not working

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Mike,


You might not believe the answer I am  prepared to give you, but you 
might want  to just give this a shot.



To  begin with I feel  pretty sure that I might have posted about this 
over  the past couple of months, but I really can't be entirely sure how 
often.



What you might try, sign up for and download and install the free offer 
from Freedom Scientific for JAWS which will last through June 30th. The 
reason, while I was wrestling with the same issues, I could find no 
solution no matter what I tried. Settings were of no  use. But, after 
installing JAWS, WE and all of its features once again came alive.



A pretty drastic step I know, but it might be the solution.


Apparently there is a common file used by all screen reading programs 
that use browse mode. I don't know if it is missing, or if it might have 
become corrupted, but that is the only reason I can come up with for 
this working as well as it did.



Anyway, think about it, and maybe give it a try.


HTH,


Larry



On 4/3/2020 10:53 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:



Hello Everyone

I am having problems with Window-eyes on my laptop.  This was a new 
machine last August and it is running Windows 10 Home 64.


 I am using We 9.5.4.0.  with internet explorer 11 many of the keys to 
move are not working.  E.g F to jump to edit fields, l for links, C to 
jump to combo boxes.  This is making it extremely tedious to find 
things. Also I am not hearing anything as I type into edit boxes.  I 
have tried removing We and reinstalling but get the same result.  My 
other machines are both working normally.


 Any suggestions would be appreciated

  Mike

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Re: Test

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Well Rod, I got to thinking even before the JAWS Opportunity arived and 
when trying to make up my mind about getting on the plan, that whatever 
was hanging up WE on my system just might do the same with JAWS. So that 
is why it occured to me that I might want to give a certain  Web site a 
try to see how it would go, and that's where I made the discovery. Was a 
rather curious way to repair things, but I'll take it. Sure beats a 
total reinstall.



Now, remember to wash your hands, stay well, and stay put,


Larry

On 3/24/2020 11:22 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom and Larry

Actually, nothing is screwed up, because I have seen this for a long time on 
this list.
Tom, if you check the carbon copy field Of Larry’s message to you, you will 
see, As I did, that your name is within it.
Larry, the clean address for sending email to this list is:

talk@lists.window-eyes.com

as for your browser problem being solved by some miracle, Larry, wonders never 
cease!

Columbo would’ve got a kick out of this one, a?
Big grin

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 24, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk  
wrote:

Hi Larry,
I only got one copy of this message. But something is messed up because the 
header says it's to me via the talk list rather than to the Window-Eyes 
discussion list, which is just the formal name of the talk list.
It sounds like it's time for some address book house cleaning.
Good luck,
Tom



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Listers,
This, as the subject indicates, is a test message.
I would like to know from you, Tom  Kingston, if you happened to receive two copies 
of this message. I am trying to make a change in my Thunderbird address book from an 
entry that shows your name every time I try to site a nickname for this group. Guess 
I don't get around to checking the address book often enough. Some day I'll figure 
out how all this stuff works .
Larry
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Seems to have worked

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And away we go!

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One more time

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Take three, or is it four? Hopefully this will do it.

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Re: Test

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On 3/24/2020 6:45 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
Tom, Thanks  for that helpful info. I'm still trying to find a way to 
do that, but can't get it by answering a fellow lister. I had another 
name for a while, and had to chop his name off the address in order to 
get it to work, but probably got the same result I got with my post to 
you.




Ya know how it is, you automatically get an entry in the book when you 
send a message to an address, but for some reason, I can't get one to 
wind up in my adress book from this list, unless it has a name 
associated with it.



Oh well, I  guess it will  work out some how.


Thanks again,


Larry



On 3/24/2020 5:50 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,
I only got one copy of this message. But something is messed up 
because the header says it's to me via the talk list rather than to 
the Window-Eyes discussion list, which is just the formal name of the 
talk list.

It sounds like it's time for some address book house cleaning.
Good luck,
Tom


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Listers,


This, as the subject indicates, is a test message.


I would like to know from you, Tom  Kingston, if you happened to 
receive two copies of this message. I am trying to make a change in 
my Thunderbird address book from an entry that shows your name every 
time I try to site a nickname for this group. Guess I don't get 
around to checking the address book often enough. Some day I'll 
figure out how all this stuff works .



Larry

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Re: Test

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Tom, Thanks  for that helpful info. I'm still trying to find a way to do 
that, but can't get it by answering a fellow lister. I had another name 
for a while, and had to chop his name off the address in order to get it 
to work, but probably got the same result I got with my post to you.




Ya know how it is, you automatically get an entry in the book when you 
send a message to an address, but for some reason, I can't get one to 
wind up in my adress book from this list, unless it has a name 
associated with it.



Oh well, I  guess it will  work out some how.


Thanks again,


Larry



On 3/24/2020 5:50 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,
I only got one copy of this message. But something is messed up 
because the header says it's to me via the talk list rather than to 
the Window-Eyes discussion list, which is just the formal name of the 
talk list.

It sounds like it's time for some address book house cleaning.
Good luck,
Tom


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Listers,


This, as the subject indicates, is a test message.


I would like to know from you, Tom  Kingston, if you happened to 
receive two copies of this message. I am trying to make a change in 
my Thunderbird address book from an entry that shows your name every 
time I try to site a nickname for this group. Guess I don't get 
around to checking the address book often enough. Some day I'll 
figure out how all this stuff works .



Larry

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Test

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Listers,


This, as the subject indicates, is a test message.


I would like to know from you, Tom  Kingston, if you happened to receive 
two copies of this message. I am trying to make a change in my 
Thunderbird address book from an entry that shows your name every time I 
try to site a nickname for this group. Guess I don't get around to 
checking the address book often enough. Some day I'll figure out how all 
this stuff works .



Larry

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Wonders never sease

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Listers, and Rod Hutton in particular, since he and I have been trying 
to figure this one out for a while.


OK, lets start from the beginning.

Early this morning, I learned on another list that FS is offering JAWS 
for home users free of charge from today (apparently) until June 30. The 
interesting thing from my perspective was that I was planning to 
purchase the annual subscription today, until this opportunity suddenly 
presented itself. But here is the kicker.


For some reason, after installing JAWS, it occurred to me that maybe I 
should check and see if this installation might make some kind of a 
difference with Window-Eyes's browse mode, and lo and behold, 
Window-Eyes seems to have now Ben rehabilitated. for an example, I can 
now go to the BARD site using IE, and my headers are back. I can also 
tab backward from the login edit box and go directly to the login 
button, where I couldn't do that, at least not since I brought my 
computer home from the shop.


I have no idea what might have been the problem, other than that some 
how a component of Windows having to do with browse mode might either 
have been missing, or maybe simply corrupted. And that's why I turned to 
those far more technically savvy for some insight into what might be 
going on with this thing.


I decided to opt for the JAWS annual plan because I really need to get 
used to being without Window-Eyes as soon as at all possible. But to 
think that by installing it's former rival would have lead to its 
resurrection is quite baffling.


Oh well, I've got nothing else to say about it at the moment, so I will 
await any input from you all, if you should think that this phenomena is 
at all as interesting to you as it is to me .


Larry

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Re: A big problem with Winamp, help please!

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

David,


Thanks much for the URL for the cleaner. Although I have managed to 
solve my Winamp issue with a system restore, I am having an issue with 
Window-Eyes which renders browse mode a bit unstable, and can't figure 
out why I am the only one using Windows 10 who seems to be having a 
problem using WE.



My reasons for using an end of life product like Window-Eyes are plenty, 
not the least of which is not wanting to even consider purchasing JAWS, 
due to both, the money involved, and their cut throat ways, and the way 
they went after Window-Eyes in what I suspect was a rather underhanded 
manner. But then again, that is just personal opinion and suspicion. 
Maybe the guys at GWMicro could have played things a little smarter, but 
the loss of both the product and such a good company with such fine 
staff was IMHO a travesty.



Sorry, really didn't mean to digress in such a manner, but there are 
just some things for which I find WE quite Necessary, especially as they 
relate to Reading my books from Bookshare. It looks like IE11 is the 
only handy way I can find to read them, and WE and their browse mode in 
their present condition on my system leave much to be desired. But, who 
knows, maybe RegClean may play an important part in clearing things up.



Thanks for reading this far. I will be shouting from the rooftops as 
well as the Net if I finally come up with a solution.



Take care,


Larry

On 2/28/2020 12:50 PM, David via Talk wrote:

As for trouble with the Registry, CCleaner might be of some help. You
find it at

      ccleaner.com

The Home Standard version, is free of charge. Basically, long as you do
not change the factory settings, it might be safe enough to run. But you
might want to  go through the settings, to make sure it does what you
want, and nothing more. In the Main menu, choose Options, then Settings.
Work your way through the tabs, and it will at least give you an idea
what kind of issues the cleaner will care for.


Note that a cleaner will not repair anything. It will remove things that
seem to be outdated or left-overs, even broken. In other words, if your
MP3's do not play, the cleaner might not fix that in itself. But it
might remove a broken connection between your file type and the player.
This will leave the MP3 connection open so to speak, and you then will
be able to reconnect it with your chosen player. Broken connections, or
associations, may cause trouble to many things on your computer, since
they serve as a road map for the computer to know where to take given
info, and what to do about it. Such broken stuff might come from
uninstalling, updating or otherwise changing software on your PC. They
can even arise as a consequence of a power failure, a failed or
cancelled operation, a forced shut down of the system, or any untold
reasons.


Another software that I have been benefitting from, and which takes care
of different issues, is SpyBot Search and Destroy. One place to get that
one from, is:

      ninite.com


SpyBot is an Anti-Spyware. But due to the fact that spyware includes a
number of techniques, and some of them meddle with many things on your
computer, a side-effect of SpyBot is that it might happen to clean out
things that solves technical issues. Again, the benefit of such, is that
it leaves you with a more clean PC, and makes it easier for you to
troubleshoot. Leaving factory settings usually is the best way, but it
leaves you certain control over its activity.


Both the above cleaners do work with WinEyes. They are, as most modern
software, quite mouse entensive. As a note, I just tested them this
morning when cleaning up my system, with Jaws 18 and likewise NVDA.
Clearly, WinEyes offered you the best control. Even in CCleaner's latest
version, NVDA worked only so well, and Jaws failed altogether. WinEyes
got the job done. Funny how different screen readers work, and how the
old approach sometimes is the better go.


All of this, only for your information.


David

On 2/26/2020 9:40 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Hey Rod, that's OK, we all have days like that. I just decided to go
for it, because since other extensions were being likewise effected, I
just deduced that it must definitely be a registry issue. Certainly a
chance worth taking, especially since I didn't figure it could do any
real damage considering that I hadn't installed anything else over the
past week.


I did uninstall and reinstall Winamp, but to no avail. I started to
realize that the registry might be an issue when I tried to change the
preference through the default app extensions option, and found that
there was nothing for .mp3 without that Winamp URL Command Handler thing.


I did download your copy of the last version of Winamp

. I've forgotten, but that might be the version I am already running.


Hmm, no it isn't mine is in the 5 range. I'll have to fix that right
away.


When it comes  to WE, I think we might should discuss that in private.
If you can help me

Re: test again

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Hey Tom, thanks for that. I was having a bit of a problem with 
Thunderbird never adding this list


 to the address book. Every time I would type anything into the too 
field having to do with the Window-Eyes list, I would get the address of 
a list subscriber, making it necessary to delete that name in order to 
post. I really didn't want to take the chance on  that subscriber 
getting  my every post in his inbox. Not that would be that many, but 
I'm sure it might become an annoyance.


Have a good evening,

Larry



On 3/1/2020 7:04 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Both came through.
Hth,
Tom


On 3/1/2020 7:14 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Maybe we will get it right this time.

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test again

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Maybe we will get it right this time.

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Trying to place this list in my address book both the easy and hard way 
at the same time, so to speak. Bear with me please.


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Re: A big problem with Winamp, help please!

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Hey Rod, that's OK, we all have days like that. I just decided to go for 
it, because since other extensions were being likewise effected, I just 
deduced that it must definitely be a registry issue. Certainly a chance 
worth taking, especially since I didn't figure it could do any real 
damage considering that I hadn't installed anything else over the past week.



I did uninstall and reinstall Winamp, but to no avail. I started to 
realize that the registry might be an issue when I tried to change the 
preference through the default app extensions option, and found that 
there was nothing for .mp3 without that Winamp URL Command Handler thing.



I did download your copy of the last version of Winamp

. I've forgotten, but that might be the version I am already running.


Hmm, no it isn't mine is in the 5 range. I'll have to fix that right away.


When it comes  to WE, I think we might should discuss that in private. 
If you can help me resurrect/revive this thing, it would be most 
helpful. I'm afraid I've lost your address with all the issues of late, 
so maybe you could send me a message so that I can get you back in my 
address book.



I can give you a couple of examples of where it is letting me down, and 
that is with IE11. As it is, I can get only one key to echo, well maybe 
two, the period, and the space bar


. Also headers and all other browse mode functionality is gone. Very 
frustrating.



OK, that is enough for the present. Hope to talk to you soon.


Larry








at 1:19 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk  wrote:

thought I'd better make that correction.


On 2/24/2020 12:11 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
Hello listers,


And I sure hope you can help me with this one.


For some reason, as of earlier this morning, Winamp wants to treat my .mp3 files  as if 
they are audio streams. I hear something, or did, like"URL file handler file 
type," and the files will no longer play. If I load an mp3 audio stream that uses an 
m3u file, it will load that stream, just not regular mp3 files.


Please don't tell me I should move to another player, because I'm sure that 
either this issue or another could arise when using Foobar, or any other player 
for that matter. I stick with it because Jeff Bishops app works so well.


I know that very soon, I'll have to give up on WE altogether, because after 
recently getting my computer back from the shop, WE seems to be falling apart 
before my very ears. Right now I am in the middle of a project, and I really 
would like to be able to use Winamp to play mp3 files as usual.


Any help would be greatly appreciated,


Thanks,


Larry

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Well, it worked!

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Well, just finished doing a system restore, which didn't take any more 
than about 15 minutes. That was really a surprise. So far so good. Looks 
like we are back in the saddle again. I just hope and pray it doesn't 
happen again any time soon.



A big thanks to everybody who offered help and advice. Sure glad this 
list is still here. Some good people here.



Have a great day, like I am so far .

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Re: A big problem with Winamp, help please!

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

mp wouldn't 
play. Got the Winamp URL Command Handler instead. Have gone way back 
to try .mp3 files, and still no joy


"Does WinAmp have any Email or Online forum? If so, try asking there if
any users have experienced similar troubles. In itself, I don't see how,
or why, WinEyes would be of any trouble in the issue you are facing.
Unless the WinAmp app would have got messed up, but that would be
quickly determined. Simply go to WinEyes Controlpanel, and turn off all
apps - then see if that would be the bottleneck. Very likely not, but
then you at least got something to spend your time and nerves on. Sorry
for the joke. I just meant to say, if you want to turn every stone,
there you have a pebble."



I might try that, but it really seems unlikely that there would be  
such a connection




I'd leave to other users of your player, to help you further. These were
just some guess-work suggestions; places I often start when the computer
is playing up on me. Sometimes, even closing the computer all down, and
then letting it cold-boot from scratch, might solve a chunk of 
naggings."



I'll probably give myself an hour or two for     openness to any 
further suggestions, and then it will be time begin the process.





On 2/25/2020 5:36 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:


Oh yeah Rod, Winamp is the default for .mp3 files. It always has been.
The weirdness of it all is that the nature of the .mp3 file has been
changed

  to something else. Only God knows what. What I've been getting when
running them is another description namely - Winamp URL Command
Handler, and there is no such choice given either in Winamp settings,
or in Windows. I have tried changing the setting both in Windows
properties and default app  settings in settings, but to no avail. I
can't seem to change these settings in Winamp at all, there seems to
be no way to actually select them. This situation is most unusual to
say the least. This only started happening this morning, so I am
really at a loss as to what might be going on.

The only thing I can think of to do for it is to use system restore,
and see if maybe the registry hasn't become corrupted.

Someone on another list suggested that there might be some files that
winamp might preserve in case people wish to simply reinstall, but
nevertheless keep their settings, and I can certainly see that as a
possibility. I can't decide if I should once again uninstall Winamp
and then go  to the various folders that pertain to Winamp and delete
all of them in order to make sure I really get a clean restart, but I
dunno. If you have any suggestions, I'd be very happy to hear them.

Oh well, I'm pretty tired of it now, so will take this on tomorrow.

Wish me luck. I'm sure gonna miss Winamp if I can't solve this problem.

I'm definitely gonna miss WE, but I'm coming close to just having to
let it go. It just hasn't functioned well since bringing  the computer
home the other day.

I attempted to update my HP Pavilion through the  support assist, but
after doing so, I couldn't load Windows. Anyway, all of this is making
me a little on the nervous side.

Oh well, will put it all to bed for now, including me.

Good to hear from you.


On 2/24/2020 5:22 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,

I would say that somehow Winamp is no longer your default application
for playing mp3 files.
Windows hasn’t changed that much such that you can still go to a
folder and use the context key and use the options to change the
default program for opening them.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from my iPad


On Feb 24, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk
 wrote:

thought I'd better make that correction.


On 2/24/2020 12:11 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
Hello listers,


And I sure hope you can help me with this one.


For some reason, as of earlier this morning, Winamp wants to treat
my .mp3 files  as if they are audio streams. I hear something, or
did, like"URL file handler file type," and the files will no longer
play. If I load an mp3 audio stream that uses an m3u file, it will
load that stream, just not regular mp3 files.


Please don't tell me I should move to another player, because I'm
sure that either this issue or another could arise when using
Foobar, or any other player for that matter. I stick with it
because Jeff Bishops app works so well.


I know that very soon, I'll have to give up on WE altogether,
because after recently getting my computer back from the shop, WE
seems to be falling apart before my very ears. Right now I am in
the middle of a project, and I really would like to be able to use
Winamp to play mp3 files as usual.


Any help would be greatly appreciated,


Thanks,


Larry

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Re: A big problem with Winamp, help please!

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Rod, I am not using Station Playlist, at least not to my knowledge 

, only Winamp. The only audio program of any significant that I am using 
regularly is Total Recorder, and that still handles .mp3 files both from 
without and within. Same with Groove Music and WMP. They each will bring 
up both file  formats from File Explorer without problems


.

While tabbing through the long file extensions list yesterday, I noticed 
that there were other extensions with the URL file handler designation 
as well. There was one with a numeric extension that I had never heard 
of as well as a couple of og* like extensions. But I found it curious 
that .ogg itself was nowhere to be foun in that listd.



I did also try playing an .ogg file from a list presented via Cortana, 
and also got the strange designation, and it, like .mp3 would not play


 through Explorer.


You can bet that there is nobody whom I would trust more than you 
concerning these issues. Please send me the folder and I will give it a 
perusal before I take the step toward restoration .



Thanks,


Larry


On 2/25/2020 4:46 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,

I know that you are using Station Playlist, something about which I have no 
experience, and so I am thinking it is influencing your situation.
However, it may be simply that some component of the plugins folder has gone 
missing or been corrupted.
First things first, though, and so I must ask if you are certain that you are 
using the output plugin which you have always used, that is, one which is 
capable of playing mp3 files.
I am certain that you know how to check the current output plugin, but just to 
be sure that you have checked this first.
Certainly reinstalling Winamp will put things back in order, but perhaps a 
simpler solution would be to compare your plugin folder with mine and at least 
know that you have all the necessary files in order to make the default output 
plugins work properly.
I can certainly zip up my folder and send it along if you want it.
Performing surgery on running software can be a bit of a brain tease, but I 
have learned a lot about how Winamp works to say that I have enough experience 
to solve a lot of problems.
Of course, I know my needs, and they are quite simple and specific.
However, as you know, I have learned enough about Window-Eyes apps to solve 
quite a few problems.
I even wrote my own Winamp script, which is how I was able to diagnose the 
little punctuation problem you were having with Jeff Bishop’s app a while back.
It is really a matter of how much time and effort you want to expend digging 
into your problem, and there is really only so much someone else can do to help 
you on your machine while they are only sitting in front of their machine, not 
yours.
Anyway, I look forward to hearing from you.

Take care,

Rod

Sent from my iPad


On Feb 24, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
 wrote:

Oh yeah Rod, Winamp is the default for .mp3 files. It always has been. The 
weirdness of it all is that the nature of the .mp3 file has been changed
  to something else. Only God knows what. What I've been getting when running 
them is another description namely - Winamp URL Command Handler, and there is 
no such choice given either in Winamp settings, or in Windows. I have tried 
changing the setting both in Windows properties and default app  settings in 
settings, but to no avail. I can't seem to change these settings in Winamp at 
all, there seems to be no way to actually select them. This situation is most 
unusual to say the least. This only started happening this morning, so I am 
really at a loss as to what might be going on.

The only thing I can think of to do for it is to use system restore, and see if 
maybe the registry hasn't become corrupted.

Someone on another list suggested that there might be some files that winamp 
might preserve in case people wish to simply reinstall, but nevertheless keep 
their settings, and I can certainly see that as a possibility. I can't decide 
if I should once again uninstall Winamp and then go  to the various folders 
that pertain to Winamp and delete all of them in order to make sure I really 
get a clean restart, but I dunno. If you have any suggestions, I'd be very 
happy to hear them.

Oh well, I'm pretty tired of it now, so will take this on tomorrow.

Wish me luck. I'm sure gonna miss Winamp if I can't solve this problem.

I'm definitely gonna miss WE, but I'm coming close to just having to let it go. 
It just hasn't functioned well since bringing  the computer home the other day.

I attempted to update my HP Pavilion through the  support assist, but after 
doing so, I couldn't load Windows. Anyway, all of this is making me a little on 
the nervous side.

Oh well, will put it all to bed for now, including me.

Good to hear from you.



On 2/24/2020 5:22 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
Hi Larry,

I would say that somehow Winamp is no longer your default application for 
playing mp3 files

Re: A big problem with Winamp, help please!

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Oh yeah Rod, Winamp is the default for .mp3 files. It always has been. 
The weirdness of it all is that the nature of the .mp3 file has been changed


 to something else. Only God knows what. What I've been getting when 
running them is another description namely - Winamp URL Command Handler, 
and there is no such choice given either in Winamp settings, or in 
Windows. I have tried changing the setting both in Windows properties 
and default app  settings in settings, but to no avail. I can't seem to 
change these settings in Winamp at all, there seems to be no way to 
actually select them. This situation is most unusual to say the least. 
This only started happening this morning, so I am really at a loss as to 
what might be going on.


The only thing I can think of to do for it is to use system restore, and 
see if maybe the registry hasn't become corrupted.


Someone on another list suggested that there might be some files that 
winamp might preserve in case people wish to simply reinstall, but 
nevertheless keep their settings, and I can certainly see that as a 
possibility. I can't decide if I should once again uninstall Winamp and 
then go  to the various folders that pertain to Winamp and delete all of 
them in order to make sure I really get a clean restart, but I dunno. If 
you have any suggestions, I'd be very happy to hear them.


Oh well, I'm pretty tired of it now, so will take this on tomorrow.

Wish me luck. I'm sure gonna miss Winamp if I can't solve this problem.

I'm definitely gonna miss WE, but I'm coming close to just having to let 
it go. It just hasn't functioned well since bringing  the computer home 
the other day.


I attempted to update my HP Pavilion through the  support assist, but 
after doing so, I couldn't load Windows. Anyway, all of this is making 
me a little on the nervous side.


Oh well, will put it all to bed for now, including me.

Good to hear from you.


On 2/24/2020 5:22 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,

I would say that somehow Winamp is no longer your default application for 
playing mp3 files.
Windows hasn’t changed that much such that you can still go to a folder and use 
the context key and use the options to change the default program for opening 
them.

Good luck,

Rod
  


Sent from my iPad


On Feb 24, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
 wrote:

thought I'd better make that correction.


On 2/24/2020 12:11 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
Hello listers,


And I sure hope you can help me with this one.


For some reason, as of earlier this morning, Winamp wants to treat my .mp3 files  as if 
they are audio streams. I hear something, or did, like"URL file handler file 
type," and the files will no longer play. If I load an mp3 audio stream that uses an 
m3u file, it will load that stream, just not regular mp3 files.


Please don't tell me I should move to another player, because I'm sure that 
either this issue or another could arise when using Foobar, or any other player 
for that matter. I stick with it because Jeff Bishops app works so well.


I know that very soon, I'll have to give up on WE altogether, because after 
recently getting my computer back from the shop, WE seems to be falling apart 
before my very ears. Right now I am in the middle of a project, and I really 
would like to be able to use Winamp to play mp3 files as usual.


Any help would be greatly appreciated,


Thanks,


Larry

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Re: A big problem with Winamp, help please!

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

thought I'd better make that correction.

On 2/24/2020 12:11 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Hello listers,


And I sure hope you can help me with this one.


For some reason, as of earlier this morning, Winamp wants to treat my 
.mp3 files  as if they are audio streams. I hear something, or did, 
like"URL file handler file type," and the files will no longer play. 
If I load an mp3 audio stream that uses an m3u file, it will load that 
stream, just not regular mp3 files.



Please don't tell me I should move to another player, because I'm sure 
that either this issue or another could arise when using Foobar, or 
any other player for that matter. I stick with it because Jeff Bishops 
app works so well.



I know that very soon, I'll have to give up on WE altogether, because 
after recently getting my computer back from the shop, WE seems to be 
falling apart before my very ears. Right now I am in the middle of a 
project, and I really would like to be able to use Winamp to play mp3 
files as usual.



Any help would be greatly appreciated,


Thanks,


Larry

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A big problem with Winp, help please!

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Hello listers,


And I sure hope you can help me with this one.


For some reason, as of earlier this morning, Winamp wants to treat my 
.mp3 files  as if they are audio streams. I hear something, or did, 
like"URL file handler file type," and the files will no longer play. If 
I load an mp3 audio stream that uses an m3u file, it will load that 
stream, just not regular mp3 files.



Please don't tell me I should move to another player, because I'm sure 
that either this issue or another could arise when using Foobar, or any 
other player for that matter. I stick with it because Jeff Bishops app 
works so well.



I know that very soon, I'll have to give up on WE altogether, because 
after recently getting my computer back from the shop, WE seems to be 
falling apart before my very ears. Right now I am in the middle of a 
project, and I really would like to be able to use Winamp to play mp3 
files as usual.



Any help would be greatly appreciated,


Thanks,


Larry

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Re: One hell of a head scratcher

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Well, I kinda made a move toward Chrome this past Sunday, and got 
distracted by I don't remember what. If I want to keep reading my 
Bookshare books, guess that's what I'm gonna have to do.



I have tried the new Chromium Edge, and so far  I am amazed as to how 
well it still seems to work with WE. The major problem being is the 
DAISY issue.



As for Net Bat's suggestion to try opening a new account and see if 
things don't clear up, I have never done that before, so hope that 
process doesn't prove to be tricky. I have had enough computer drama to 
last me for at least a year over the past week.



If anyone can come up with anything else, or encourage changing 
accounts, guess that would be fine, just as long as it works .





On 2/18/2020 1:17 PM, tony c via Talk wrote:

I have noticed that with every windows update IE becomes less and less stable 
and lest functional. I’ve started using Chrome a lot more trying to make the 
switch before I’m forced to do it all at once. Lol   

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: net bat2 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 12:00 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat2
Subject: Re: One hell of a head scratcher

what can i tell ya!
are you useing i e or edge?
if it is the original edge w e may not work with it. it might work with the
just released chrome based edge browser.
it is suppose to be a windows update so you may not have it yet.
even so you may have to turn off a setting in edge.
i don't remember what its called. something like u i  automation? its a edge
setting. even the last jaws update did not support this setting until now and
had to be disabled.
***
do you have another account on your computer you can try?
my problem with w e was the number pad keys would be remapped almost every time
i loaded window eyes.
like the number 5 key was the left mouse button. then it was both the left and
right mous button when i pressed it the next time i loaded w e.
i changed the key to another key but it was remapped to the escape key. not the
key i changed it to.
but this only happened with my administrator account. the standard account
worked fine.
i tried copying the default profile folder from one account to the other. same
problem.
this is with windows 10 19.9
i deleted the administrator  account. it asked me if i wanted to keep my files.
i said yes. after i deleted it i used the same account user name and all of the
files and desktop icons were transfered to the new account.
the only problem is it set w e,jaws and n v d a back to the factory defaults.
but the number pad keys now work with w e the way its suppose to do.
i did not reinstall w e.


-Original Message-
From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 7:03 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: One hell of a head scratcher

Hello listers,



I will begin by stating that I am using Window-Eyes 9.5.4.0.

I sure hope that there are enough people with the expertise left on this
list that might be prepared to help me with a rather vexing issue.


To name the issue first. I can no  longer get WE to take any input from
the keyboard, at least as it relates to using browse mode. I can  no
longer move from header to header for example, or for that matter, even
set bookmarks. I mean, WE has just gone nearly completely dead when
using IE11. But now for the rest of the story.


I recently experienced an computer access issue after updating my HP
Pavilion computer through the Support Assist feature. My theory on that
is that the newer BIOS was not compatible with Windows 10, as strange as
that might sound. This apparently been an issue among HP users, and
especially Pavilion users. These desktop computers use an AMD CPU, and
the thinking is that AMD and MS aren't communicating with each other
very well lately. Anyway, I plan to call my Geek Squad people back today
to see if they can't clarify just what might have happened. As it is,
The Geeks left me with an 1803 build, Where as before I was up to 1903,
but at this point, I don't dare to update to 1909 fearing that the same
issue might arise.


Now back to WE. I have reinstalled, and fiddled  around with things in
the control  panel, but to no avail.


The thing is, it works with both Chromium Edge (latest stable build) as
well as Thunderbird, as both will allow the use of WE in browse mode,
but not IE.


If someone could please give me any pointers, it would be greatly
appreciated.


Oh yes, as a post script, IE is still important to me because apparently
Edge is still not able to work with DAISY text books from Bookshare.


I have to say that this thing really kinda creeps me out. IE is
practically a dead zone.




OK, Enough of the drama, any help again would really be appreciated.


Larry


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Re: One hell of a head scratcher

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

One correction. I was previously up to Win10 version 1909. The issue 
came up weeks after making that update.


On 2/18/2020 9:03 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Hello listers,



I will begin by stating that I am using Window-Eyes 9.5.4.0.

I sure hope that there are enough people with the expertise left on 
this list that might be prepared to help me with a rather vexing issue.



To name the issue first. I can no  longer get WE to take any input 
from the keyboard, at least as it relates to using browse mode. I can  
no longer move from header to header for example, or for that matter, 
even set bookmarks. I mean, WE has just gone nearly completely dead 
when using IE11. But now for the rest of the story.



I recently experienced an computer access issue after updating my HP 
Pavilion computer through the Support Assist feature. My theory on 
that is that the newer BIOS was not compatible with Windows 10, as 
strange as that might sound. This apparently been an issue among HP 
users, and especially Pavilion users. These desktop computers use an 
AMD CPU, and the thinking is that AMD and MS aren't communicating with 
each other very well lately. Anyway, I plan to call my Geek Squad 
people back today to see if they can't clarify just what might have 
happened. As it is, The Geeks left me with an 1803 build, Where as 
before I was up to 1903,  but at this point, I don't dare to update to 
1909 fearing that the same issue might arise.



Now back to WE. I have reinstalled, and fiddled  around with things in 
the control  panel, but to no avail.



The thing is, it works with both Chromium Edge (latest stable build) 
as well as Thunderbird, as both will allow the use of WE in browse 
mode, but not IE.



If someone could please give me any pointers, it would be greatly 
appreciated.



Oh yes, as a post script, IE is still important to me because 
apparently Edge is still not able to work with DAISY text books from 
Bookshare.



I have to say that this thing really kinda creeps me out. IE is 
practically a dead zone.





OK, Enough of the drama, any help again would really be appreciated.


Larry


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One hell of a head scratcher

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Hello listers,



I will begin by stating that I am using Window-Eyes 9.5.4.0.

I sure hope that there are enough people with the expertise left on this 
list that might be prepared to help me with a rather vexing issue.



To name the issue first. I can no  longer get WE to take any input from 
the keyboard, at least as it relates to using browse mode. I can  no 
longer move from header to header for example, or for that matter, even 
set bookmarks. I mean, WE has just gone nearly completely dead when 
using IE11. But now for the rest of the story.



I recently experienced an computer access issue after updating my HP 
Pavilion computer through the Support Assist feature. My theory on that 
is that the newer BIOS was not compatible with Windows 10, as strange as 
that might sound. This apparently been an issue among HP users, and 
especially Pavilion users. These desktop computers use an AMD CPU, and 
the thinking is that AMD and MS aren't communicating with each other 
very well lately. Anyway, I plan to call my Geek Squad people back today 
to see if they can't clarify just what might have happened. As it is, 
The Geeks left me with an 1803 build, Where as before I was up to 1903,  
but at this point, I don't dare to update to 1909 fearing that the same 
issue might arise.



Now back to WE. I have reinstalled, and fiddled  around with things in 
the control  panel, but to no avail.



The thing is, it works with both Chromium Edge (latest stable build) as 
well as Thunderbird, as both will allow the use of WE in browse mode, 
but not IE.



If someone could please give me any pointers, it would be greatly 
appreciated.



Oh yes, as a post script, IE is still important to me because apparently 
Edge is still not able to work with DAISY text books from Bookshare.



I have to say that this thing really kinda creeps me out. IE is 
practically a dead zone.





OK, Enough of the drama, any help again would really be appreciated.


Larry


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Re: AW: edge, jaws and copy

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

This is a test. This is only a test.


On 2/15/2020 12:33 PM, Luciano Ortelli via Talk wrote:


Hi Joan,

I'm able to copy and paste from Edge to Notepad/Editor and to Word by
selecting text holding down Shift and copying and pasting it in the usual
manner: Control+c followed by Control+v.

My system: Windows 10/1909, MS Office 365 Personal, Jaws 2020.

Good luck and kind regards,

Luciano


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Talk  Im
Auftrag von joan buzza via Talk
Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Februar 2020 16:24
An: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: joan buzza 
Betreff: edge, jaws and copy

I just got a new pc.  I am using windows 10, office 365, Microsoft edge and
the latest version of jaws. Prior to this pc, I was using window eyes and
sometimes n v d a.  I have many, many questions, but I will start with this
one.

  


Is there any way to copy anything on edge with jaws?  Presently, I am
relying on n v d a, because I cannot find a way with jaws.

Thanks for your help.  You will be hearing from me again.

  


Joan

  


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Re: Removal display of location

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

David, I think I know what he is talking about, but I have no solution 
either. Seems to me however that there is some setting within Windows 
itself that keeps beginners in mind, meaning that in order to get such 
users used to the Windows environment, that such descriptions are turned 
on and off via some setting, but for the life of me, I cannot remember 
what it is or where it is to be found.



I have the same issue here, and someone on another list suggested that I 
turn off Tooltips to deal with this annoying extra verbiage. If anybody 
has any information as to where the setting I am speaking of is located, 
don't hesitate to put the information out there. This is really a PITA.




On 2/6/2020 11:15 PM, David via Talk wrote:

Not sure if I understood your query fully. But maybe this is what you
are looking for?


Go to the WE Control Panel, and scroll to Verbose. Expand with
Right-Arrow, Scroll down to Miscellaneous, and then use your Tab-key.
You will find some settings for index speaking.



David

On 2/7/2020 12:07 AM, gemini43--- via Talk wrote:

How do you eliminate the speaking of Item locations from desktop items and
other locations of items.

   


I am running Win7 64bit and Window Eyes 9.4

   


Thanks for any help.

   


Jim

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Re: In a real jam

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Yep, We be jammin' now .

On 6/5/2019 11:06 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,

Glad that all is well again, that is, that the jam you were in has now been 
mixed with some rich peanut butter, and zipped into a healthy sandwich. Smirk.

Cheers,

Rod

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From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: June 5, 2019 9:10 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: Re: In a real jam

Back in the saddle 


Thanks,


Larry.

On 6/5/2019 2:58 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,

I put the 7Zip installer in my DropBox for you.
The URL to my DropBox folder is:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.l
y%2F2gX64M0data=02%7C01%7C%7C10654ecef07a4df8d0a608d6ea1bb16a%7C8
4df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636953801987442321sdata
=9rvVnjzWv3obJE2Ivb1f%2BIzigzaycvHjkDW9FN%2FKe0A%3Dreserved=0
The file you need to find is:
7z1805-x64.exe
I would be inclined to uninstall Winzip from add remove programs and then 
install 7Zip.
There are no special configuration steps for 7Zip,at least the one I put in my 
DropBox.
I just installed it only now on one of my virtual machines just to test it out, 
and it was quick and painless.
When you run the installer, simply tab to the Install button, press
it, and stand back. Smile After that, there is a close button to press, but 
that's it.

Good luck,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: June 5, 2019 2:34 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: In a real jam

       Well Listers,


I really managed to get myself into one this time. I sure hope someone can help 
me out of this mess.


Just last week, it became necessary to replace my Dell PC with another
one, so this time I went with an HP. I'm pretty sure that makes no
real difference in terms of my present issue.

On my Dell, I had 7Zip running in my context menu for extracting, and
or zipping files, and became quite comfortable with it. So, thought
I'd try putting it on my new system. I downloaded the 64bit edition of
the program, and it showed up in my context menu as it should, but out
of all the options available, it had no option for extracting files.


I should say, I at least can find no such option.


Now, this could make it totally impossible to extract either
Bookshare,

or NLS Talking Books on my system.

I called the MS Answer Desk this morning, and asked the guy assigned
to help me if he couldn't possibly restore the default program used by
Windows, but he did something I was kind of surprised at. He replaced
the extraction option with Win zip, and I can find no option for
extracting files with Win zip either.

To make matters worse, he installed an evaluation copy, which I will
have to pay for, provided I end up getting it to cooperate.

I sure hope I don't have to do anything drastic, like refreshing
Windows, but at least this time, I do have cloud storage backup.

This really shouldn't have been this complicated. Sure wish I'd left
well enough alone.

If anybody has any ideas, or real assistance to provide in getting out
of this one, it sure would be gratefully appreciated.

Maybe a bit of phone assistance might be in order. If someone wants to
volunteer, please kindly answer me off list.


Got any ideas Rod ?


Sincerely,


Larry


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Re: In a real jam

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Back in the saddle 


Thanks,


Larry.

On 6/5/2019 2:58 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,

I put the 7Zip installer in my DropBox for you.
The URL to my DropBox folder is:
http://bit.ly/2gX64M0
The file you need to find is:
7z1805-x64.exe
I would be inclined to uninstall Winzip from add remove programs and then 
install 7Zip.
There are no special configuration steps for 7Zip,at least the one I put in my 
DropBox.
I just installed it only now on one of my virtual machines just to test it out, 
and it was quick and painless.
When you run the installer, simply tab to the Install button, press it, and 
stand back. Smile
After that, there is a close button to press, but that's it.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: June 5, 2019 2:34 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: In a real jam

      Well Listers,


I really managed to get myself into one this time. I sure hope someone can help 
me out of this mess.


Just last week, it became necessary to replace my Dell PC with another
one, so this time I went with an HP. I'm pretty sure that makes no
real difference in terms of my present issue.

On my Dell, I had 7Zip running in my context menu for extracting, and or
zipping files, and became quite comfortable with it. So, thought I'd
try putting it on my new system. I downloaded the 64bit
edition of the program, and it showed up in my context menu as it
should, but out of all the options available, it had no option for
extracting files.


I should say, I at least can find no such option.


Now, this could make it totally impossible to extract either Bookshare,

or NLS Talking Books on my system.

I called the MS Answer Desk this morning, and asked the guy assigned to
help me if he couldn't possibly restore the default program used by
Windows, but he did something I was kind of surprised at. He replaced
the extraction option with Win zip, and I can find no option for
extracting files with Win zip either.

To make matters worse, he installed an evaluation copy, which I will
have to pay for, provided I end up getting it to cooperate.

I sure hope I don't have to do anything drastic, like refreshing
Windows, but at least this time, I do have cloud storage backup.

This really shouldn't have been this complicated. Sure wish I'd left
well enough alone.

If anybody has any ideas, or real assistance to provide in getting out
of this one, it sure would be gratefully appreciated.

Maybe a bit of phone assistance might be in order. If someone wants to
volunteer, please kindly answer me off list.


Got any ideas Rod ?


Sincerely,


Larry


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Re: In a real jam

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Hey Rod,


Thanks so very much again. I will get up there within the next hour or 
so, after dinner that is .



Just wondering about something though.


This might sound a little trivial, but is there a difference in the add 
remove routine and that of the uninstall Programs option? It seems that 
the uninstall program might be a bit faster, though I'm not sure about 
safer. But I guess we all no that MS would never steer us wrong.



The uninstall programs is also in the control panel. Just curious.


Thanks again,

Larry

On 6/5/2019 2:58 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,

I put the 7Zip installer in my DropBox for you.
The URL to my DropBox folder is:
http://bit.ly/2gX64M0
The file you need to find is:
7z1805-x64.exe
I would be inclined to uninstall Winzip from add remove programs and then 
install 7Zip.
There are no special configuration steps for 7Zip,at least the one I put in my 
DropBox.
I just installed it only now on one of my virtual machines just to test it out, 
and it was quick and painless.
When you run the installer, simply tab to the Install button, press it, and 
stand back. Smile
After that, there is a close button to press, but that's it.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: June 5, 2019 2:34 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: In a real jam

      Well Listers,


I really managed to get myself into one this time. I sure hope someone can help 
me out of this mess.


Just last week, it became necessary to replace my Dell PC with another
one, so this time I went with an HP. I'm pretty sure that makes no
real difference in terms of my present issue.

On my Dell, I had 7Zip running in my context menu for extracting, and or
zipping files, and became quite comfortable with it. So, thought I'd
try putting it on my new system. I downloaded the 64bit
edition of the program, and it showed up in my context menu as it
should, but out of all the options available, it had no option for
extracting files.


I should say, I at least can find no such option.


Now, this could make it totally impossible to extract either Bookshare,

or NLS Talking Books on my system.

I called the MS Answer Desk this morning, and asked the guy assigned to
help me if he couldn't possibly restore the default program used by
Windows, but he did something I was kind of surprised at. He replaced
the extraction option with Win zip, and I can find no option for
extracting files with Win zip either.

To make matters worse, he installed an evaluation copy, which I will
have to pay for, provided I end up getting it to cooperate.

I sure hope I don't have to do anything drastic, like refreshing
Windows, but at least this time, I do have cloud storage backup.

This really shouldn't have been this complicated. Sure wish I'd left
well enough alone.

If anybody has any ideas, or real assistance to provide in getting out
of this one, it sure would be gratefully appreciated.

Maybe a bit of phone assistance might be in order. If someone wants to
volunteer, please kindly answer me off list.


Got any ideas Rod ?


Sincerely,


Larry


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Re: In a real jam

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Steve,


Thanks  for your  quick response.


I actually did manage to get Winzip to extract a talking book, but I 
believe the option was announced as adding to zip file, or something of 
that nature, which left me a bit confused.



I keep getting nagged by Winzip, and although I know it might be 
necessary toward getting people to finally give up and buy the product, 
it is nevertheless quite annoying. So, think I might just reinstall 
7Zip, and see if I can't get used to their similar wording.



Do  you happen to be using the latest version yourself? If so, maybe you 
can walk me through their configuration menu, and help me decide just 
what to checand what not.



One thing the 7Zip did, after I went through the exercise of checking 
and unchecking the boxes, when pressing the OK button, it told me that 
access to 7Zip was denied. Thought that might be an administrative 
issue, so even asked the guy at MS to make sure I managed to do all that 
right. Anyway, he told me that I did have full admin rights, or at least 
that he completed the process.



I really hate to admit it, maybe it is a matter of age, but these 
computer problems can raddle me a bit more than they used too.



Oh well, please let me know what you think.


Thanks very much again,


Larry



On 6/5/2019 2:00 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Larry,

When you brought up the context menu, are you sure that you had a zip file 
selected?  For example, if you delete a file, sometimes no file is selected 
even if the current file is a zip file.  The MS person would probably have seen 
that, though.

Also, did you have an old 7-zip install file that you used or did you download 
the latest?  Be sure to get the latest file.  Sorry if this has already been 
covered.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 1:34 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: In a real jam

      Well Listers,


I really managed to get myself into one this time. I sure hope someone
can help me out of this mess.


Just last week, it became necessary to replace my Dell PC with another
one, so this time I went with an HP. I'm pretty sure that makes no
real difference in terms of my present issue.

On my Dell, I had 7Zip running in my context menu for extracting, and or
zipping files, and became quite comfortable with it. So, thought I'd
try putting it on my new system. I downloaded the 64bit
edition of the program, and it showed up in my context menu as it
should, but out of all the options available, it had no option for
extracting files.


I should say, I at least can find no such option.


Now, this could make it totally impossible to extract either Bookshare,

or NLS Talking Books on my system.

I called the MS Answer Desk this morning, and asked the guy assigned to
help me if he couldn't possibly restore the default program used by
Windows, but he did something I was kind of surprised at. He replaced
the extraction option with Win zip, and I can find no option for
extracting files with Win zip either.

To make matters worse, he installed an evaluation copy, which I will
have to pay for, provided I end up getting it to cooperate.

I sure hope I don't have to do anything drastic, like refreshing
Windows, but at least this time, I do have cloud storage backup.

This really shouldn't have been this complicated. Sure wish I'd left
well enough alone.

If anybody has any ideas, or real assistance to provide in getting out
of this one, it sure would be gratefully appreciated.

Maybe a bit of phone assistance might be in order. If someone wants to
volunteer, please kindly answer me off list.


Got any ideas Rod ?


Sincerely,


Larry


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In a real jam

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

    Well Listers,


I really managed to get myself into one this time. I sure hope someone 
can help me out of this mess.



Just last week, it became necessary to replace my Dell PC with another
one, so this time I went with an HP. I'm pretty sure that makes no
real difference in terms of my present issue.

On my Dell, I had 7Zip running in my context menu for extracting, and or
zipping files, and became quite comfortable with it. So, thought I'd
try putting it on my new system. I downloaded the 64bit
edition of the program, and it showed up in my context menu as it
should, but out of all the options available, it had no option for
extracting files.


I should say, I at least can find no such option.


Now, this could make it totally impossible to extract either Bookshare,

or NLS Talking Books on my system.

I called the MS Answer Desk this morning, and asked the guy assigned to
help me if he couldn't possibly restore the default program used by
Windows, but he did something I was kind of surprised at. He replaced
the extraction option with Win zip, and I can find no option for
extracting files with Win zip either.

To make matters worse, he installed an evaluation copy, which I will
have to pay for, provided I end up getting it to cooperate.

I sure hope I don't have to do anything drastic, like refreshing
Windows, but at least this time, I do have cloud storage backup.

This really shouldn't have been this complicated. Sure wish I'd left
well enough alone.

If anybody has any ideas, or real assistance to provide in getting out
of this one, it sure would be gratefully appreciated.

Maybe a bit of phone assistance might be in order. If someone wants to
volunteer, please kindly answer me off list.


Got any ideas Rod ?


Sincerely,


Larry


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Do you still have that Winamp script?

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Hey Rod,


Kinda hate to ask, but do you still happen to have that edited Jeff 
Bishop Winamp script hanging around? If you do, I could sure use it 
again. I actually may have it here, but it is a .vbs file, and I've 
forgotten just where I need to place it. Maybe that would do it, unless 
it happens to be a copy of the unedited one.



My computer recently lost its voice, so had to replace it with another one.


I purchased some Cloud storage through IDrive, and duely backed up most 
of my stuff, but for some reason, my downloads folder didn't make it 
through. And that brings up another possible request.



Could you please send me the library of Window-Eyes scripts/apps. Those 
were in the downloads folder too.



At some point, I may have to hook the old PC up again, and copy what I 
need to a thumb drive and transfer to my new one, but that takes lots of 
time, and my sighted wife has to help, and timing that right isn't 
always easy.



OK, poor me . But if you could possibly help me once again, it 
would surely be gratefully appreciated.



And yes, I do have a copy of the Window-Eyes you gave me, so that should 
be good to go for a while. I really thank you for that.




Oh well, have a great day. Will be going to what promises to be a good 
birthday party for one of our trivia buddys today, so a good time should 
be had by all.



BTW, I downloaded and installed a new copy of Thunderbird the other day, 
but for some reason, didn't manage to get the spell checker installed. 
Do you have any idea how to go about doing that? But first things first, 
really do need those scripts.



Thanks,


Larry


P
S Also lost my address book 


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Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Don,


Have you tried a restart of your system? I'm only suggesting this 
because it works for me when it comes to bookmarks in IE11 especially 
when reading Bookshare books.



At times I cannot use bookmarks, because the command, either to set them 
up, or to go to one of them just isn't recognized. All I get is the 
ding. Most of the time though, a system restart solves the problem.



If you haven't yet given that a try, and maybe you have, do so, and 
maybe the tool kit might start to function again. So far, my new 1809 
installation has given me no problems using WE the way I'm used to using 
it.


HTH,

Larry


On 5/14/2019 12:33 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Hope this list is still active.  I just installed Windows 10 version 
1809 and was delighted to find that on my Dell desktop, W E 9.5.4.0 
works well with one minor exception.  Whenever Window-eyes loads, I 
get an error when the GW tool kit loads. However, if I click on the 
restart app choice, no error message is received. Does anyone know 
what is happening here?



Incidentally, I reinstalled the GW tool kit app with the same results.


Don Roberts


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Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

I finally just called the Disability folks at mMicrosoft and took care 
of it. Seems to be working fine, after a bit of readjusting things.


On 5/15/2019 8:10 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

I received the 1809 update last week on two computers I own.

-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 12:26 PM
To: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

Oh well, I wasn't that lucky. my last paid version was way too old when
that offer was given.


I'm now using a copy some  one was kind enough to give me after WE
reached end of life, otherwise, I would be in a real pickle.


I used WE for Office for a year or so, due to lack of funds, but my
wife's teacher license for office expired leaving me with another dead
product. No two is more like it because WE for Office would no longer
work either.


I'm just going to have to spring for a techno upgrade. Also need
 to replace my graphics card because the one I was using seased to
function with the 1803 feature upgrade. Need to amend that as well. I
haven't yet received the 1809 upgrade, and that was released last
September, if I remember correctly. Think I'd better finally get my arse
in gear and call the MS Accessibility folks and finally solve the
mystery as to why this has taken so long. It might have something to do
with the graphics card, but that is anybody's guess.


On 5/14/2019 1:39 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Larry,

Because I owned WE, and had 2 SMAs, I was able to get Jaws for free.

-Bob
r...@ringwald.com


-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 11:05 AM
To: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

Don,  With all the authority and credibility of a non expert on this
matter, I fear that what this means is that some of our apps may no
longer function so well.


I guess if I don't bend, I will break. Meaning that I might have too,
but totally against my will, be forced to buy a subscription to Jaws.
Man, is that gona hurt something awful.

On 5/14/2019 12:33 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Hope this list is still active.  I just installed Windows 10 version 
1809
and was delighted to find that on my Dell desktop, W E 9.5.4.0 works 
well
with one minor exception.  Whenever Window-eyes loads, I get an 
error when
the GW tool kit loads. However, if I click on the restart app 
choice, no

error message is received. Does anyone know what is happening here?


Incidentally, I reinstalled the GW tool kit app with the same results.


Don Roberts


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Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Oh well, I wasn't that lucky. my last paid version was way too old when 
that offer was given.



I'm now using a copy some  one was kind enough to give me after WE 
reached end of life, otherwise, I would be in a real pickle.



I used WE for Office for a year or so, due to lack of funds, but my 
wife's teacher license for office expired leaving me with another dead 
product. No two is more like it because WE for Office would no  longer 
work either.



I'm just going to have to spring for a techno upgrade. Also need
 to replace my graphics card because the one I was using seased to 
function with the 1803 feature upgrade. Need to amend that as well. I 
haven't yet received the 1809 upgrade, and that was released last 
September, if I remember correctly. Think I'd better finally get my arse 
in gear and call the MS Accessibility folks and finally solve the 
mystery as to why this has taken so long. It might have something to do 
with the graphics card, but that is anybody's guess.



On 5/14/2019 1:39 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Larry,

Because I owned WE, and had 2 SMAs, I was able to get Jaws for free.

-Bob
r...@ringwald.com


-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 11:05 AM
To: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

Don,  With all the authority and credibility of a non expert on this
matter, I fear that what this means is that some of our apps may no
longer function so well.


I guess if I don't bend, I will break. Meaning that I might have too,
but totally against my will, be forced to buy a subscription to Jaws.
Man, is that gona hurt something awful.

On 5/14/2019 12:33 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Hope this list is still active.  I just installed Windows 10 version 
1809
and was delighted to find that on my Dell desktop, W E 9.5.4.0 works 
well
with one minor exception.  Whenever Window-eyes loads, I get an error 
when

the GW tool kit loads. However, if I click on the restart app choice, no
error message is received. Does anyone know what is happening here?


Incidentally, I reinstalled the GW tool kit app with the same results.


Don Roberts


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Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

That's my take on it too.


I am also a Winamp user, and figure that neither JAWS or NVDA will ever 
be able to work with it as well.



I am also a subscriber to Bookshare, and find that IE will work with 
their DAISY formatted books quite adaquitly.



The last, but not least thing I also have to consider is Eloquence, 
still my favorite speech voice. IE though is really becoming a bit 
problematic on more and more pages, so I am going to have to do 
something soon I'm afraid.



I don't really want to go the Code Factory rout  due to their validation 
scheme, and if I reluctantly move to JAWS, that will be one hassle I 
wont have to face.



Oh the joys of blindness.


On 5/14/2019 1:20 PM, Evan Reese via Talk wrote:

I've already had to do it.
My Window Eyes will absolutely not work with Skype anymore, and it 
won't work with Firefox either.
But I still use WE whenever I can, for instance I'm using it now to 
write this. It works great with Windows Live Mail, and it works better 
with Winamp, my main audio player, than JAWS probably ever will.

I'll use it as long as I possibly can for whatever I can.
Evan

-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:05 PM
To: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

Don,  With all the authority and credibility of a non expert on this
matter, I fear that what this means is that some of our apps may no
longer function so well.


I guess if I don't bend, I will break. Meaning that I might have too,
but totally against my will, be forced to buy a subscription to Jaws.
Man, is that gona hurt something awful.

On 5/14/2019 12:33 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Hope this list is still active.  I just installed Windows 10 version 
1809 and was delighted to find that on my Dell desktop, W E 9.5.4.0 
works well with one minor exception.  Whenever Window-eyes loads, I 
get an error when the GW tool kit loads. However, if I click on the 
restart app choice, no error message is received. Does anyone know 
what is happening here?



Incidentally, I reinstalled the GW tool kit app with the same results.


Don Roberts


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Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Don,  With all the authority and credibility of a non expert on this 
matter, I fear that what this means is that some of our apps may no 
longer function so well.



I guess if I don't bend, I will break. Meaning that I might have too, 
but totally against my will, be forced to buy a subscription to Jaws. 
Man, is that gona hurt something awful.


On 5/14/2019 12:33 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Hope this list is still active.  I just installed Windows 10 version 
1809 and was delighted to find that on my Dell desktop, W E 9.5.4.0 
works well with one minor exception.  Whenever Window-eyes loads, I 
get an error when the GW tool kit loads. However, if I click on the 
restart app choice, no error message is received. Does anyone know 
what is happening here?



Incidentally, I reinstalled the GW tool kit app with the same results.


Don Roberts


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Re: Using O C R to read text from a Jpeg

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Sounds kinda strange.


I guess the next thing I'd try is doing a search on your disk for the 
specific file name, and after finding it, copy the path from the entry 
in the search list, and then doing the path copy and paste and opening 
it up in Virtual bew, and making sure you are using the OCR option..



I can't think  of why you should end up converting the contents of the 
email message unless  virtual view  is some how converting the email 
message itself. And if that is the case, then maybe opening the .JPG 
file from the search results might be the way to go.



Good luck, and HTH,

Larry


On 4/3/2019 6:38 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Larry, I did try that initially which is what prompted my inquiry. For 
some reason, when I opened the Jpeg, all I heard was the text of the 
email which contained the Jpeg, nothing from the Jpeg itself.



Don Roberts


On 4/3/2019 10:02 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Donald,


Why don't you just try putting it through the process and tell us 
what happened? Or, maybe you have already don so?



You never  know with 'puters, experience tells us, but there really 
should be no difference. After all, the .PDFs are often nothing but 
images in series, as far as I know anyway. And considering where when 
the   .PDF is Primarily text that scanning isn't necessary, than an 
image file rather it be a .JPG, or a graphic .PDF should make no  
difference. But just run it through the process and see what happens.



I went looking for a .JPG to give it a try myself, but don't have any 
on my hard drive at present.




On 4/3/2019 10:13 AM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
An acquaintance sent me a Jpeg which contained text she wanted me to 
read. I know how to O C R other files containing images of text, but 
isn't the process different if it is a Jpeg rather than something 
like a PDF?



Thanks.


Don Roberts


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Re: question about foreground staging

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Ah yes, it does show up spoken as a dialog box every now and then, but 
of course it has no content. You can bring up a context menu of sort by 
pressing the alt key, but if I remember correctly, it only has the 
options to move or to  close, and the close option seems to do 
absolutely nothing.



On 4/3/2019 8:24 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:


Larry,
This is strange. 32770 is the class name for a standard Windows 
dialog, like those used within programs for opening files or a Save As 
dialog. I suspect the title bar hot key might give you this if a 
dialog pops up that has no title or name.
I'll try to remember to check this if I can ever catch the foreground 
staging window.



On 4/2/2019 7:35 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
Tom, Don't know if this might give you a clew as to what is going on 
with foreground staging, but what might be an  error code 32770 some 
times comes when pressing ctrl-shift-T rather than foreground staging 
being spoken.



Sure hope this helps, because I am having the same problem at the 
moment. It comes and goes. And it sure does make tabbing from window 
to window a bit of  a pain.



On 4/2/2019 6:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing 
them. It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for 
you. Oh the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful.

Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this 
crazy anomaly.  It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a 
while. Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long 
as a restart.  Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most 
part. The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three 
windows open at a time. Then, none of the windows speak when 
alt-tabbing and more likely than not, they do not speak when I land 
on them. Anyway, I will be through my moving soon enough and won't 
need to worry about it again, grin.  Well, maybe not for a month or 
so.  Thanks for trying to figure it out.


Carol


On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As 
I said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after 
ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing.
I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But 
I can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know 
what "enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the 
Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the 
system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't 
in the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is 
because when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes 
open and is then minimized to the tray.
All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the 
Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of 
the foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it 
is I can write a script to stomp on it. Smile.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Here is an update on the foreground staging issue.  It came bacdk 
again today.  The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive 
and inside the music folder.  I clicked on a song to play and the 
foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was 
nothing showing on the screen.  There are a couple of interesting 
items here to report.  The screen was my Winamp screen, although 
it would not say anything.  I could navigate through the track I 
was playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen 
was. The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and 
reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, 
that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced 
something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few 
times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground 
staging issue.  Today, at least, the foreground staging window 
will go away for a while if I restart WE.


Carol



On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi carol,
I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real 
problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I 
get it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. 
It's gone and doesn't come back.
I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I 
connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste 
what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it 
might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just 
Windows+D and it's gone.
I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything 
is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem 
with MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're 
just shrinking 

test

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Re: question about foreground staging

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Tom, Don't know if this might give you a clew as to what is going on 
with foreground staging, but what might be an  error code 32770 some 
times comes when pressing ctrl-shift-T rather than foreground staging 
being spoken.



Sure hope this helps, because I am having the same problem at the 
moment. It comes and goes. And it sure does make tabbing from window to 
window a bit of  a pain.



On 4/2/2019 6:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. 
It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh 
the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful.

Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy 
anomaly.  It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. 
Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a 
restart.  Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. 
The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows 
open at a time.  Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and 
more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them.  Anyway, 
I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about 
it again, grin.  Well, maybe not for a month or so.  Thanks for 
trying to figure it out.


Carol


On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I 
said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after 
ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing.
I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I 
can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what 
"enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the 
Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the 
system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in 
the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because 
when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and 
is then minimized to the tray.
All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the 
Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the 
foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I 
can write a script to stomp on it. Smile.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Here is an update on the foreground staging issue.  It came bacdk 
again today.  The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive 
and inside the music folder.  I clicked on a song to play and the 
foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was 
nothing showing on the screen.  There are a couple of interesting 
items here to report.  The screen was my Winamp screen, although it 
would not say anything.  I could navigate through the track I was 
playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was.  
The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. 
Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I 
landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said 
"enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be 
in the same time period as the foreground staging issue.  Today, at 
least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I 
restart WE.


Carol



On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi carol,
I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real 
problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get 
it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's 
gone and doesn't come back.
I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I 
connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste 
what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it 
might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just 
Windows+D and it's gone.
I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything 
is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with 
MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just 
shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the 
proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a 
window.
All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do 
things. Hopefully you'll find one that works.

Good luck,
Tom


On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for writing.  In my case, I would go to the folder I 
wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files 
I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already 
open, was that WE would read absolutely nothing except the title 
bar read command would say "foreground staging."  Windows-d would 
open the desktop back up, but the folders I already had open 
would not speak.  A reboot did solve the problem 

Re: question about foreground staging

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Damn!


I just took a look at Bookshare's listings for annoyances, and found no 
book regarding annoyances associated with Windows 10, only up to Windows 
7. I guess there just weren't enough annoyances in Windows 10 to fill 
enough pages .


On 4/2/2019 6:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. 
It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh 
the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful.

Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy 
anomaly.  It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. 
Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a 
restart.  Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. 
The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows 
open at a time.  Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and 
more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them.  Anyway, 
I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about 
it again, grin.  Well, maybe not for a month or so.  Thanks for 
trying to figure it out.


Carol


On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I 
said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after 
ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing.
I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I 
can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what 
"enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the 
Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the 
system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in 
the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because 
when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and 
is then minimized to the tray.
All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the 
Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the 
foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I 
can write a script to stomp on it. Smile.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Here is an update on the foreground staging issue.  It came bacdk 
again today.  The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive 
and inside the music folder.  I clicked on a song to play and the 
foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was 
nothing showing on the screen.  There are a couple of interesting 
items here to report.  The screen was my Winamp screen, although it 
would not say anything.  I could navigate through the track I was 
playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was.  
The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. 
Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I 
landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said 
"enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be 
in the same time period as the foreground staging issue.  Today, at 
least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I 
restart WE.


Carol



On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi carol,
I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real 
problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get 
it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's 
gone and doesn't come back.
I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I 
connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste 
what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it 
might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just 
Windows+D and it's gone.
I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything 
is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with 
MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just 
shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the 
proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a 
window.
All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do 
things. Hopefully you'll find one that works.

Good luck,
Tom


On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for writing.  In my case, I would go to the folder I 
wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files 
I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already 
open, was that WE would read absolutely nothing except the title 
bar read command would say "foreground staging."  Windows-d would 
open the desktop back up, but the folders I already had open 
would not speak.  A reboot did solve the problem for now. I 
canned the Microsoft Disability desk and the person there did not 
know what I was talking about.  He did, although, quote help me 
out by 

Re: a Winamp question

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Donald,


I think you misremembered the command. The command, or key combo is 
alt+shift+k.



In order to pan from left to right, at least as far as I know, is to go 
to the equalizer using alt+g, then using your left and right arrow keys. 
That always works for me




On 4/1/2019 10:24 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
A few days ago, I posted a message inquiring about making certain that 
when using Winamp I was completely in the center of the right and left 
stereo channels. I got a response suggesting I use control alt k to 
make sure I had things centered. When reflecting on this, I wondered 
if this wasn't a Jaws command rather than a command in a Window-eyes 
Winamp script. If in fact it is a Jaws command, is there a comparable 
command for Window-eyes? Additionally, I really want to pan right to 
left and left to right. How do I do this in Window-eyes? What is the 
Jaws command to pan?



Thanks.


Don Roberts


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Re: Weather or not issue

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

ing,
might have been taken a totally different place in town, from where you
sit at the moment. Weather conditions might be given specifically, or as
an average of all the measurements reported for that city. It all will
depend on exactly what weather service the app retrieves its info from.

Just to round it all up, As modern technology develops, more and more
decimals can be added to your positioning coordinate values - meaning
smaller and smaller steps can be measured. It is not unlikely that you
already would be able to give a quite accurate coordinate, for each room
of your house. Just imagine that your bedroom is one decimal place
closer to Equator, and that might be why you feel so warm and comfie in
bed. Hahaha. Might sound like a joke, but reality is that given the
right equipment, it is not totaly a dream to have such exact
measurements. OK then, to what extent it will affect the temperature of
your room, was a mere joke.

Larry, I hope this helped you a bit. On the website I refered you to,
they have a bit more info on the coordinates. And if you want even more
details, try looking up online dictionaries, on the terms of Longitudes
and Latitudes.

David

On 2/4/2019 4:11 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Butch,


I for one would appreciate seeing your weather.ini file.


Sorry David, I haven't yet had time to look at your instructions, but
plan to do so.


I find it kind of interesting  that if one fills in the zip code of a
particular location, that it equates to the longitude or latitude of a
particular city

. Any ideas as to how this works, or is this a big "duh" on my part

I could put up my weather ini file if that would help.  Mine has 3
cities in it, but you could likely edit it.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 3 Feb 2019, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote:


Thanks for this.  I don't have a .ini from a prior installation just
yet.  I can follow this syntax just fine though and appreciate your
being so thoughtful as to how to code these entries.  I fortunately
do have some of the coordinates for the points of interest I want to
follow and thanks for sharing a more accessible site as well.

Kind regards,

Amanda Lee


-Original Message-
From: Talk

On Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: David 
Subject: Re: Weather or not issue

OK, guys.
This, is going to be a rather long message, so work your way through.
I will try to share my findings on the issue you are having, with
the WeatherOrNot app. These are based on some fooling around, and
quick searchings on the net, so take them for what they are worth. I
do have no clue exactly where, how or what the Weather app extracts
its info, so you will have to do your own playing around. But when I
tried the following steps, it at least gave me some results. Smiles.

As someone suggested, please make it a habit of backing up any file
before you modify it at all.

OK, the first thing we need to know, is the Longitude and Latitude
coordinates, in a decimal format, for the city or place you are
trying to add. I did try a few webpages, and here is one that I
found to be fairly easy to operate with WinEyes:
https://www.latlong.net/

When opening the page, go to the first Edit box, and here enter your
city. Like:
      Toronto, On
for finding the city of Toronto in the province of Ontario, in Canada.
Once you have typed your info, hit the Enter key.
Please note, it seems that you will have to manually turn back on
Browse Mode here.

The page will now come up with its results. If it found the exact
city or place, it will give you two edit boxes, right beneath the
Find-button on the page. They will hold the necessary numbers, for
the  Longitude and Latitude. Copy and paste them into your ini file,
as will be described below.

In a few cases, I noticed the page came up with more than one choice
for the city. They then were presented in a table, with a link for
each city. You would simply choose the wanted link, hit Enter, and
go to the text line, that gives you the coordinates. Copy and paste
the given info into your ini file.

How To Modify The Ini File?
Now that we have found the needed info to direct the app, let's get
to the real job. And, yes, it is a bit of typing to be done. We will
go by it, step by step.

First, open your WE control panel, and hit Alt-F, followed by the
letter E. The user profile folder will open.

Keep pressing the W, til you get to the file named:
      WeatherOrNot.ini
, and hit Enter on it. It should open in something like Notepad.
Please note, from here, it will be good to have your synth spell out
all punctuations, and even Upper- and Lower-cased characters, as
they are all important.

In the ini file, scroll down to the line that reads
      [Locations]
. Do NOT modify this line.

Hit the End-key, to go to the end of the line, and then Hit Enter.
You now have a blank line for entering your personalized info.
What the app wants her

Re: Weather or not issue

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

 
your new location. this section, it is, that controls how and what 
info the app will read to you.


A section, always starts out with a header. That is, a line enclosed 
in brackets. The header, should be an exact copy of the info you 
entered to the left of the Equal sign, in your location line. It is 
case, and character sensitive, so make sure you get an one-by-one 
copy of your location line. In our example, it will look like this:

    [Toronto, ontario]
. Press Enter when you are done.

Now that we have established the section, it is time to set it all up.
The section should hold four fields. They are placed on individual 
lines, their name spelled all in lower-cases, and ends with an Equal 
sign, and your wanted setting. Lets get to them one by one.


name=
Here enter the name of the location, that you want read out to you, 
whenever you press the hotkey. It could be the city name, or some 
kind of an alias - like home, work, grandma's place, or whatever. Our 
example line could be:

    name=Toronto
or,
    Name=Big city of Canada.
Please note, that you can use a mix of upper- and lower-cased 
characters, along with normal punctuation (except from the Equal 
sign), or even numbers - in your string here.


temp=
Behind the Equal sign, enter a lower-cased c, for Celcius; or a 
lowercased f, for having the temperature read in degrees Fahrenheit.
Obviously, it seems there should be a way to have the app read both 
formats, and my guess is that you simply enter either cf, or fc, in 
this field.


wind=
Here enter ms, for meter-per-second; or mph, to have the app giving 
you the windspeed in miles-per-hour. A couple more measurements 
should be available, far as I can see, but you will do your own playing.


status=OK
Huh? Don't ask me what this means. But apparently the app wants you 
to tell it that you, your old auntie, or the pizza you had for dinner 
last night was OK. Give it what it wants, and hope for the best. 
Smiles. If you decide to fool with this line, and feel you can make 
any sense of it, get back and enlighten us all. Hit Enter when you 
are all done.


You know what?
You now are almost done. Only two very important steps are left. But 
before we take care of them, let me just sum up the lines we entered 
in our example.


[Locations]
Toronto, Ontario=43.651890, -79.381710
[Toronto, Ontario]
name=A Fun Place To Visit
temp=c
wind=mph
status=OK

Yep. And now to the final steps.
First one, surprisingly enough, will be to hit the Alt-F4, and 
choosing to save our updates to the file.


Second step, is to restart the app.
Go to the WE control panel, and hit the Alt-A.
Hit the Right-Arrow, to expand the App managing.
Scroll down to App Managing, and hit Enter.
here, press the W, till you get to the WeatherOrNot app.
Either hit the Alt-R to reload, or hit the Alt-E twice to turn it off 
and back on.


Boys and Girls, job should be done. though a rather long description, 
your new location now should be ready to be announced, whenever you 
hit the app hotkey. Anything not working? Well, let the list know, 
and see if there might be a workaround.


Oh, and let me add one extra goodie to it all. If you have more than 
one location, you can add them on to your ini file. The steps will be 
all the same. You need one location line, and a whole section for 
each location. When the read-aloud is taking place, the app will read 
to you the locations and their info, consequtively. That is, it will 
read the locations, in the order they are listed in the [Locations] 
part of the ini file. So make sure you organize the lines in the 
order you want things read out.


To have a small break between each location, you could try to enter a 
period-sign, and a space character as the beginning of each name-string.

Like:
name=. My Home Place

Enjoy your playing.

David

On 2/3/2019 6:12 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,

I have the current versions of GW Toolkit, 8.6.8, as well as Weather 
or Not, 4.0.0.
The app is working fine for me, giving me my current weather 
conditions.

I tried adding your city, but I get the same error as you.
I have tried looking at the code of the app, in the hope of 
determining and possibly changing the weather information server it 
uses.
Unfortunately, the app is encrypted, making it impossible to do 
anything with it.
Given that I can confirm that the app works, I can only suggest that 
if you ever used the app to get your local weather, see if you can 
find an old backup copy of the Weather Or Not ini file, and paste it 
into the Profile folder.
The file you need is named weatherornot.ini, and, before pasting it 
into the Profiles folder, you should probably rename the current one 
to something like weatherornot.ini.current.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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From: Talk 
On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: February 2, 2019 1:44 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subjec

Re: Weather or not issue

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Thanks Lloyd, however, I am  just a real devotee of my Eloquence Reed voice.



On 2/3/2019 1:11 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
If you are using Windows 10, you can use NVDA with the new OneCore 
voices from Microsoft. Not quite as responsive as ESpeak, but the 
David desktop or mobile voice is not bad, in my opinion.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 10:39 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Weather or not issue

Sure looks like I might be quickly approaching that point. I still need
to purchase a license for Eloquence, then I might really begin to tackle
it. Right now, I am able to read my Bookshare books quite well with IE
and WE to my satisfaction, so guess not in the biggest hurry, but I'm
beginning to feel the heat .

On 2/3/2019 7:42 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,

If you're open to using NVDA, there is a similar add-on for it called 
Weather Plus.


Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
 On Behalf 
Of Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: February 3, 2019 8:30 AM
To: Loy Green via Talk 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: Re: Weather or not issue

That's what happens here as well. I'm absolutely certain that I no
longer have an old .ini file to take potential advantage of. So, guess
this is only the beginning .

On 2/3/2019 6:36 AM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:
I am getting the same here, however the cities that I have 
previously entered still work.

    - Original Message -
    From: Larry Higgins via Talk
    To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
    Cc: Larry Higgins
    Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 1:44 PM
    Subject: Weather or not issue


    OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a 
solution for

    my problem, but here goes anyway.


    Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to 
my list
    of weather conditions around the country, but when either 
entering the
    city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying 
something
    along the lines of "can't fine the city," or something of that 
nature.
    It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get 
the same

    error message.


    Is this a permanent issue, or might there be a solution.


    Hopefully,


    Larry

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Re: Weather or not issue

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Sure looks like I might be quickly approaching that point. I still need 
to purchase a license for Eloquence, then I might really begin to tackle 
it. Right now, I am able to read my Bookshare books quite well with IE 
and WE to my satisfaction, so guess not in the biggest hurry, but I'm 
beginning to feel the heat .


On 2/3/2019 7:42 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,

If you're open to using NVDA, there is a similar add-on for it called Weather 
Plus.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: February 3, 2019 8:30 AM
To: Loy Green via Talk 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: Re: Weather or not issue

That's what happens here as well. I'm absolutely certain that I no
longer have an old .ini file to take potential advantage of. So, guess
this is only the beginning .

On 2/3/2019 6:36 AM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:

I am getting the same here, however the cities that I have previously entered 
still work.
- Original Message -
From: Larry Higgins via Talk
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Larry Higgins
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 1:44 PM
Subject: Weather or not issue


OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a solution for
my problem, but here goes anyway.


Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to my list
of weather conditions around the country, but when either entering the
city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying something
along the lines of "can't fine the city," or something of that nature.
It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get the same
error message.


Is this a permanent issue, or might there be a solution.


Hopefully,


Larry

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Re: Weather or not issue

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

That's what happens here as well. I'm absolutely certain that I no 
longer have an old .ini file to take potential advantage of. So, guess 
this is only the beginning .


On 2/3/2019 6:36 AM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:

I am getting the same here, however the cities that I have previously entered 
still work.
   - Original Message -
   From: Larry Higgins via Talk
   To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Cc: Larry Higgins
   Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 1:44 PM
   Subject: Weather or not issue


   OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a solution for
   my problem, but here goes anyway.


   Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to my list
   of weather conditions around the country, but when either entering the
   city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying something
   along the lines of "can't fine the city," or something of that nature.
   It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get the same
   error message.


   Is this a permanent issue, or might there be a solution.


   Hopefully,


   Larry

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Re: Weather or not issue

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Well Amanda, I just found my zipped file of WE apps, installed the 
GWToolkit, closed out WE, started it up again, and still no go. I'm not 
sure of the date on this on either, but it's all I've got available to 
me. As far as I know, this is the latest.





On 2/2/2019 2:59 PM, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote:

I'm referring to the GwToolkit


The files unfortunately take on the current date in my windows 10 system so
I am not certain of their original dates.


My file for Weather or not

-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 3:04 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen 
Subject: Re: Weather or not issue

My Weatherornot files are from May 6 of 2016. Or are you talking about the
GWToolkit?



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 2:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Amanda Lee
Subject: RE: Weather or not issue

I have exactly the same issue after reinstalling window-Eyes.  Weather Or
Not does require GW Toolkit.  I notice in the About info, that it says it's
from 2008.  I wonder if this is the correct version?  If not,then hope I can

find the appropriate one somewhere.  I really miss this App too!

Kind regards,

Amanda Lee


-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf

Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 1:44 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: Weather or not issue

OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a solution for my
problem, but here goes anyway.


Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to my list
of weather conditions around the country, but when either entering the
city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying something
along the lines of "can't  fine the city," or something of that nature.
It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get the same
error message.


Is this a permanent issue,  or might there be a solution.


Hopefully,


Larry

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Weather or not issue

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a solution for 
my problem, but here goes anyway.



Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to my list 
of weather conditions around the country, but when either entering the 
city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying something 
along the lines of "can't  fine the city," or something of that nature. 
It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get the same 
error message.



Is this a permanent issue,  or might there be a solution.


Hopefully,


Larry

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Re: Mail Client

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Bernie,


I just thought about disabling the TB enhancement script, or as they now 
are called "apps," to see if that would make a difference. I am going to 
shut down T-Bird for a while and see if that wont do the trick, and if I 
can do as well without it ... Will shout it from the rooftop if it does.





On 12/26/2018 3:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,  I also just checked the version of TB and like you I am
running the 32-bit version.  So, for now, don't think that is your problem.

On 12/26/2018 4:02 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Well Bernie, what it does here is say inbox just fine when first
pressing the tab key, and if I'm lucky, it will let me tab down to the
contents, but soon after going there, things start to happen, (God
only knows what), and I have to wait from anywhere from three to five
minutes for things to settle down, then things are fine.


I'm not sure if I have the 32 bit version or 64, or if that would even
make a difference, but it really is a pain to have to keep it open
throughout the day, rather than going through all of that all over again.


OK, that was easy. Just checked the about  dialog box, and I'm
apparently running the 32 bit version. Maybe I'll have to look at
upgrading to see if that would make a difference. Hopefully wont make
things even worse.


Oh well.


Thanks much,


Larry



On 12/26/2018 1:17 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:


Hi Larry,  I do not have any ad ons so I don't have any suggestion
regarding whether it would make a difference if they are removed or
not.  One thing I have noticed when starting Thunder bird,is that it
often doesn't speak when the program is loaded but it is really there.
One way I can check this is after starting it, I wait for about three
seconds and then press the tab key and it usualy responds by saying "in
box.  Sorry I can't help more.  Bernie

On 12/26/2018 1:36 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Bernie,


Just wondering if you have any issues when starting Thunderbird. Here,
it takes an eternity to go through its paces and finally settle down.
I have been advised to remove all add-ons, but I only have one, and
that is spellcheck, which I had removed at one time, but no
difference. I couldn't do email if I didn't have spellchecker .


Maybe if I could remove all of the other features like chat,
newsgroups  etc that might help, but I really can't figure out how to
do that, or even if it is possible. But there are sure lots of things
I'm sure I could do without, can't remember them all. Only need T-Bird
to read, write and send mail, nothing else.


Do you have any ideas? If so, I'm all ears .


Thanks,


Larry


On 12/26/2018 10:43 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,  Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update
Tbird
to version 60.  With the update installed, it is running fine on
windows
1809 and the last version of WE.  I have no problems either reading or
composing messages.  I have been reading messages on this list and
have
been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick and
others.  I believe the problem might be coming from the WE
setfiles.  I
will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out.

On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just
haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I
think I have those version numbers correct.  Anyway no feature update
yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer
model, but I'm not certain about that either.


Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same .




On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a
component of the problem?

On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll
wake
up with the same issue any day now.


Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE.

On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't
read my
saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent
messages.
Woah
is I.

On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote:

Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it
does give
no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me:

       No Cursor Found.


I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i
Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are
deleted. But
any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End -
yields no
speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have
tried the
Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help
there
either.


Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest
Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still
running
under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while.



David

On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Ki

Re: Mail Client

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Well Bernie, what it does here is say inbox just fine when first 
pressing the tab key, and if I'm lucky, it will let me tab down to the 
contents, but soon after going there, things start to happen, (God only 
knows what), and I have to wait from anywhere from three to five minutes 
for things to settle down, then things are fine.



I'm not sure if I have the 32 bit version or 64, or if that would even 
make a difference, but it really is a pain to have to keep it open 
throughout the day, rather than going through all of that all over again.



OK, that was easy. Just checked the about  dialog box, and I'm 
apparently running the 32 bit version. Maybe I'll have to look at 
upgrading to see if that would make a difference. Hopefully wont make 
things even worse.



Oh well.


Thanks much,


Larry



On 12/26/2018 1:17 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:


Hi Larry,  I do not have any ad ons so I don't have any suggestion
regarding whether it would make a difference if they are removed or
not.  One thing I have noticed when starting Thunder bird,is that it
often doesn't speak when the program is loaded but it is really there.
One way I can check this is after starting it, I wait for about three
seconds and then press the tab key and it usualy responds by saying "in
box.  Sorry I can't help more.  Bernie

On 12/26/2018 1:36 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Bernie,


Just wondering if you have any issues when starting Thunderbird. Here,
it takes an eternity to go through its paces and finally settle down.
I have been advised to remove all add-ons, but I only have one, and
that is spellcheck, which I had removed at one time, but no
difference. I couldn't do email if I didn't have spellchecker .


Maybe if I could remove all of the other features like chat,
newsgroups  etc that might help, but I really can't figure out how to
do that, or even if it is possible. But there are sure lots of things
I'm sure I could do without, can't remember them all. Only need T-Bird
to read, write and send mail, nothing else.


Do you have any ideas? If so, I'm all ears .


Thanks,


Larry


On 12/26/2018 10:43 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,  Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update Tbird
to version 60.  With the update installed, it is running fine on windows
1809 and the last version of WE.  I have no problems either reading or
composing messages.  I have been reading messages on this list and have
been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick and
others.  I believe the problem might be coming from the WE setfiles.  I
will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out.

On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just
haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I
think I have those version numbers correct.  Anyway no feature update
yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer
model, but I'm not certain about that either.


Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same .




On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a
component of the problem?

On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll
wake
up with the same issue any day now.


Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE.

On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't
read my
saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent messages.
Woah
is I.

On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote:

Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it
does give
no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me:

      No Cursor Found.


I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i
Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are
deleted. But
any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End -
yields no
speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have
tried the
Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help
there
either.


Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest
Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still
running
under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while.



David

On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Another thing you can try is Control+Insert+C. This makes
Window-Eyes
search for the cursor. It will usually say either "uses system
cursor"
or "no cursor found."
Regards,
Tom


On 12/21/2018 4:19 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Thanks Bob, yeah, similar issues - fortunately my Thunderbird
contains
spell check (I thinkit's Thunderbird which provides the spell
check, but
who knows). What stinks is, if I leave the composing window, I
won't
know where I am in the e-mail. I have to assume the cursor is
where I
left i

Re: Mail Client

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Bernie,


Just wondering if you have any issues when starting Thunderbird. Here, 
it takes an eternity to go through its paces and finally settle down. I 
have been advised to remove all add-ons, but I only have one, and that 
is spellcheck, which I had removed at one time, but no difference. I 
couldn't do email if I didn't have spellchecker .



Maybe if I could remove all of the other features like chat, newsgroups  
etc that might help, but I really can't figure out how to do that, or 
even if it is possible. But there are sure lots of things I'm sure I 
could do without, can't remember them all. Only need T-Bird to read, 
write and send mail, nothing else.



Do you have any ideas? If so, I'm all ears .


Thanks,


Larry


On 12/26/2018 10:43 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,  Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update Tbird
to version 60.  With the update installed, it is running fine on windows
1809 and the last version of WE.  I have no problems either reading or
composing messages.  I have been reading messages on this list and have
been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick and
others.  I believe the problem might be coming from the WE setfiles.  I
will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out.

On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just
haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I
think I have those version numbers correct.  Anyway no feature update
yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer
model, but I'm not certain about that either.


Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same .




On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a
component of the problem?

On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll
wake
up with the same issue any day now.


Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE.

On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't read my
saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent messages.
Woah
is I.

On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote:

Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it
does give
no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me:

         No Cursor Found.


I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i
Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are
deleted. But
any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - yields no
speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have
tried the
Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help
there
either.


Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest
Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still
running
under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while.



David

On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Another thing you can try is Control+Insert+C. This makes
Window-Eyes
search for the cursor. It will usually say either "uses system
cursor"
or "no cursor found."
Regards,
Tom


On 12/21/2018 4:19 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Thanks Bob, yeah, similar issues - fortunately my Thunderbird
contains
spell check (I thinkit's Thunderbird which provides the spell
check, but
who knows). What stinks is, if I leave the composing window, I
won't
know where I am in the e-mail. I have to assume the cursor is
where I
left it.

On 12/20/2018 9:38 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Nick,

I am using windows 10, win-eyes 9.5.4., and WLM. The same thing
has
been
happening to me. It didn't used to do this. It started happening
all of
a sudden for no apparent reason.

If I bring up WLM, I can write an email and see what I am writing.
after
that, while writing the 2nd email, I can't see or hear what I am
writing.

I have to close WLM and thenn open it. Then I can see what I am
writing.
But again, only the first email. Then have to close and re-open
WLM
again.

-Bob


-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Mail Client

If anyone has a solution to the arrow problem I have, you are
welcome to
e-mail me privately:

nicksara...@msn.com

When I am composing a message, I am unable to read what I have
just
written.

On 12/20/2018 9:01 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

I'm not sure just how much I've ultimately got to add here, but I
must
at least say this.


My version of Thunderbird updated on me without either
permission or
encouragement. Naturally I did a double-take and hoped and prayed
that
my ability to edit would continue, and with my good luck or
divine
intervention, it continued to function as it should.


One thing that really annoys me is that every 

Re: Mail Client

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just 
haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I 
think I have those version numbers correct.  Anyway no feature  update 
yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer 
model, but I'm not certain about that either.



Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same .




On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a
component of the problem?

On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll  wake
up with the same issue any day now.


Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE.

On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't read my
saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent messages. Woah
is I.

On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote:

Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it does give
no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me:

        No Cursor Found.


I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i
Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are deleted. But
any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - yields no
speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have tried the
Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help there
either.


Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest
Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still running
under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while.



David

On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Another thing you can try is Control+Insert+C. This makes Window-Eyes
search for the cursor. It will usually say either "uses system cursor"
or "no cursor found."
Regards,
Tom


On 12/21/2018 4:19 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Thanks Bob, yeah, similar issues - fortunately my Thunderbird contains
spell check (I thinkit's Thunderbird which provides the spell
check, but
who knows). What stinks is, if I leave the composing window, I won't
know where I am in the e-mail. I have to assume the cursor is where I
left it.

On 12/20/2018 9:38 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Nick,

I am using windows 10, win-eyes 9.5.4., and WLM. The same thing has
been
happening to me. It didn't used to do this. It started happening
all of
a sudden for no apparent reason.

If I bring up WLM, I can write an email and see what I am writing.
after
that, while writing the 2nd email, I can't see or hear what I am
writing.

I have to close WLM and thenn open it. Then I can see what I am
writing.
But again, only the first email. Then have to close and re-open WLM
again.

-Bob


-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Mail Client

If anyone has a solution to the arrow problem I have, you are
welcome to
e-mail me privately:

nicksara...@msn.com

When I am composing a message, I am unable to read what I have just
written.

On 12/20/2018 9:01 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

I'm not sure just how much I've ultimately got to add here, but I
must
at least say this.


My version of Thunderbird updated on me without either permission or
encouragement. Naturally I did a double-take and hoped and prayed
that
my ability to edit would continue, and with my good luck or divine
intervention, it continued to function as it should.


One thing that really annoys me is that every time I go to open
up the
program, it takes an eternity to load and otherwise settle down.
I was
told that I  should remove all add ons, but the only one I have
is the
spellchecker, and removing that didn't help either, but I wasn't
going
to go without that  one anyway.


I said all that only to say that I haven't encountered the editing
problem at all, up to this point anyway - knock on wood.



On 12/20/2018 6:15 AM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:

On this Windows 7 machine I am still using Windows Live Mail 2012.
I'm
not sure where you can get it. You would need the SET files and
apps
that GW developed for it. It has its quirks, but works well for me.
You may want to work with Thunderbird and NVDA, but I have no
experience with that combination.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: David via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:02 AM
To: WE English Mailinglist
Cc: David
Subject: Mail Client

Listers,

Could need a bit of info here.


As you know, the latest updates to Thunderbird, have broken the
accessibility when writing new messages, as well as replying to any
message received. Seeing how they slowly broke down any
cooperation with
WE in Firefox, I do take the guess, this is just the beginning
of the
end for our ability to use Thunderbird alon

Re: Mail Client

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll  wake 
up with the same issue any day now.



Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE.

On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't read my
saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent messages. Woah
is I.

On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote:

Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it does give
no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me:

       No Cursor Found.


I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i
Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are deleted. But
any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - yields no
speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have tried the
Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help there
either.


Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest
Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still running
under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while.



David

On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Another thing you can try is Control+Insert+C. This makes Window-Eyes
search for the cursor. It will usually say either "uses system cursor"
or "no cursor found."
Regards,
Tom


On 12/21/2018 4:19 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Thanks Bob, yeah, similar issues - fortunately my Thunderbird contains
spell check (I thinkit's Thunderbird which provides the spell check, but
who knows). What stinks is, if I leave the composing window, I won't
know where I am in the e-mail. I have to assume the cursor is where I
left it.

On 12/20/2018 9:38 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Nick,

I am using windows 10, win-eyes 9.5.4., and WLM. The same thing has
been
happening to me. It didn't used to do this. It started happening all of
a sudden for no apparent reason.

If I bring up WLM, I can write an email and see what I am writing.
after
that, while writing the 2nd email, I can't see or hear what I am
writing.

I have to close WLM and thenn open it. Then I can see what I am
writing.
But again, only the first email. Then have to close and re-open WLM
again.

-Bob


-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Mail Client

If anyone has a solution to the arrow problem I have, you are
welcome to
e-mail me privately:

nicksara...@msn.com

When I am composing a message, I am unable to read what I have just
written.

On 12/20/2018 9:01 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

I'm not sure just how much I've ultimately got to add here, but I must
at least say this.


My version of Thunderbird updated on me without either permission or
encouragement. Naturally I did a double-take and hoped and prayed that
my ability to edit would continue, and with my good luck or divine
intervention, it continued to function as it should.


One thing that really annoys me is that every time I go to open up the
program, it takes an eternity to load and otherwise settle down. I was
told that I  should remove all add ons, but the only one I have is the
spellchecker, and removing that didn't help either, but I wasn't going
to go without that  one anyway.


I said all that only to say that I haven't encountered the editing
problem at all, up to this point anyway - knock on wood.



On 12/20/2018 6:15 AM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:

On this Windows 7 machine I am still using Windows Live Mail 2012.
I'm
not sure where you can get it. You would need the SET files and apps
that GW developed for it. It has its quirks, but works well for me.
You may want to work with Thunderbird and NVDA, but I have no
experience with that combination.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: David via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:02 AM
To: WE English Mailinglist
Cc: David
Subject: Mail Client

Listers,

Could need a bit of info here.


As you know, the latest updates to Thunderbird, have broken the
accessibility when writing new messages, as well as replying to any
message received. Seeing how they slowly broke down any
cooperation with
WE in Firefox, I do take the guess, this is just the beginning of the
end for our ability to use Thunderbird along with WinEyes. I do
cling to
my WinEyes, among other things, due to the fact that it is the only
screen reader that to a certain extent works with some websites I am
relying on. Like for instance our local grocery store, where neither
NVDA or Jaws will let me do my shopping properly. Only good old
WinEyes.


Anyway, I want to have a backup for my mailing activity, the day when
Mozilla finally pulls the plug for WinEyes and Thunderbird. What
alternatives do we have, now adays? I know some of you have mentioned
Becky. Is that the only one? Outlook, OK, but that demands me running
Offic

Re: Mail Client

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

I'm not sure just how much I've ultimately got to add here, but I must 
at least say this.



My version of Thunderbird updated on me without either permission or 
encouragement. Naturally I did a double-take and hoped and prayed that 
my ability to edit would continue, and with my good luck or divine 
intervention, it continued to function as it should.



One thing that really annoys me is that every time I go to open up the 
program, it takes an eternity to load and otherwise settle down. I was 
told that I  should remove all add ons, but the only one I have is the 
spellchecker, and removing that didn't help either, but I wasn't going 
to go without that  one anyway.



I said all that only to say that I haven't encountered the editing 
problem at all, up to this point anyway - knock on wood.




On 12/20/2018 6:15 AM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
On this Windows 7 machine I am still using Windows Live Mail 2012. I'm 
not sure where you can get it. You would need the SET files and apps 
that GW developed for it. It has its quirks, but works well for me. 
You may want to work with Thunderbird and NVDA, but I have no 
experience with that combination.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: David via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:02 AM
To: WE English Mailinglist
Cc: David
Subject: Mail Client

Listers,

Could need a bit of info here.


As you know, the latest updates to Thunderbird, have broken the
accessibility when writing new messages, as well as replying to any
message received. Seeing how they slowly broke down any cooperation with
WE in Firefox, I do take the guess, this is just the beginning of the
end for our ability to use Thunderbird along with WinEyes. I do cling to
my WinEyes, among other things, due to the fact that it is the only
screen reader that to a certain extent works with some websites I am
relying on. Like for instance our local grocery store, where neither
NVDA or Jaws will let me do my shopping properly. Only good old WinEyes.


Anyway, I want to have a backup for my mailing activity, the day when
Mozilla finally pulls the plug for WinEyes and Thunderbird. What
alternatives do we have, now adays? I know some of you have mentioned
Becky. Is that the only one? Outlook, OK, but that demands me running
Office - and does it work with all versions of office? Should I decide
to go for things like Becky, will there be a steep learning curve? And
will there be any particular settings or twixings to be done in my
screen reader?


Any feedback you might have, I am open ears. If you have some idea as to
the functionality with any of the other screen readers, along with a
given mail client, I want to know your experiences. Would be great,
could I find a mail client, which worked with whichever screen reader i
happen to have up running at any time.


Oh, and two more questions:

Where to get the client you might suggest? And is it for free, Annual
payment, or Lifetime priced?


Thanks alot, all of you.



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Re: MS Office 365/2019

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Hey Rod, and sorry I hadn't gotten back to ya much sooner.Too many 
little  distractions I guess,  But thanks for what I'm sure will be very 
helpful info.


My dear wife however is finding it hard to find out just what edition or 
subscription plan she actually has. Can you please tell me where she 
should look for that bit of info?


As for me, We is still working out pretty well, although I am looking 
forward to getting the Code Factory version of Eloquence so I can make 
good use of NVDA, and the new Narrator command set which will be coming 
with 1809, when I am finally updated. I am not in too big a hurry, 
considering the bugs that they apparently still need to work out.


 Other than that, not much going on round here, and I guess this is 
good . Hope things are going well for you and yours.


Take care, and thanks again,

Larry


On 11/28/2018 9:27 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,

If your wife is subscribed to Office 365 Personal, then you could install it on 
a second PC, but you would have to use the same Microsoft Account.
Alternatively, if she is subscribed to Office 365 Home, then she can share her 
subscription with up to four additional Microsoft Account holders, and she 
would have to do this in her Office account management section on the web.
As for uninstalling Office, I went to add or remove programs on my system, 
where I have Office 365 installed, and this conveniently has a single entry for 
Office 365, such that removing it would be a simple matter of uninstalling the 
one item.
You could google in order to learn the specific instructions for the version of 
Office you have.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: November 28, 2018 9:17 AM
To: Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: Re: MS Office 365/2019

Hey guys,


Not to hijack a thread or anything, but I have a question about Office 365.


My dear wife is a subscriber to 365, and I'm wondering if it is possible
for two people using different computers, her a laptop and me a PC, to
take advantage of the same subscriber license. Admittedly, I don't use
Office much, but when I have the need, I would like to know it is there.
the online copy I have on my system expired a while ago, so thought this
might be an option.


And while I'm at it. What do I have to do to uninstall a non working
office sweet, considering that it contains so many apps. Is there a one
step process, or do I need to uninstall all of them one at a time?


Thanks,


Larry


On 11/28/2018 7:10 AM, Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk wrote:

Thanks Rod.

I have been using Office 2010.  I just bought a new laptop and wanted to 
upgrade Office.  I am not concerned on having the latest version, however, if 
2019 works with Window-eyes, I will go that direction.  Since I don't care 
about constant updates to Office, I have to decide on Office 365 or Office 2019 
local.  With the local install, I don't have to worry about an upgrade being 
installed and WE not working with it, until win-eyes stops working with Windows 
all together.

David Ayers
-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf 
Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 5:45 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: MS Office 365/2019

Hi David,



Ah, the word "issues" begs a response, didn't ya know. Smile
The ongoing issue using Office 365 is that you have to expect that Microsoft 
likes to change the layout and hot keys you have become familiar with from time 
to time, and this can make you crazy.
This ongoing update process is what you buy into when you subscribe to Office 
365, since you always receive updates to all parts of Office as they are rolled 
out.
Microsoft claims to be committed to improving the accessibility of Office over 
time, and so Office 365 is the version of Office which will witness these 
improvements in the most timely manner possible.

Wow, I hope I'm not sounding like a Microsoft commercial! Smile

Seriously, though, at this time, and even since I subscribe to Office 365 in 
2015 when Windows 10 came out, from an accessibility point of view, I'm having 
no focus issues using Window-Eyes with Outlook, Word, and Excel within the 
Office 365 suite.

I'm happy to respond to any other specific questions which might arise for you.



All the best,



Rod Hutton



Sent from Outlook for Windows



-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk
Sent: November 26, 2018 10:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Ayers, David (ITCS) 
Subject: MS Office 365/2019



Hello,



Is anyone using MS Office 365/2019 with WE 9.5.4?  If so, are there any issues?



Thanks, David



David Ayers

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Re: MS Office 365/2019

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Hey Rod, and sorry I hadn't gotten back to ya much sooner.Too many 
little  distractions I guess,  But thanks for what I'm sure will be very 
helpful info.



My dear wife though is finding it hard to find out just what edition or 
subscription plan she actually has. Can you please tell me where she 
should look for that bit of info?



As for me, We is still working out pretty well, although I am looking 
forward to getting the Code Factory version of Eloquence so I can make 
good use of NVDA, and the new Narrator command set which will be coming 
with 1809, when I am finally updated. I am not in too big a hurry, 
considering the bugs that they apparently still need to work out.



Other than that, not much going on round here, and I guess this is good 
. Hope things are going well for you and yours.



Take care, and thanks again,


Larry



On 11/28/2018 9:27 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Larry,

If your wife is subscribed to Office 365 Personal, then you could install it on 
a second PC, but you would have to use the same Microsoft Account.
Alternatively, if she is subscribed to Office 365 Home, then she can share her 
subscription with up to four additional Microsoft Account holders, and she 
would have to do this in her Office account management section on the web.
As for uninstalling Office, I went to add or remove programs on my system, 
where I have Office 365 installed, and this conveniently has a single entry for 
Office 365, such that removing it would be a simple matter of uninstalling the 
one item.
You could google in order to learn the specific instructions for the version of 
Office you have.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: November 28, 2018 9:17 AM
To: Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: Re: MS Office 365/2019

Hey guys,


Not to hijack a thread or anything, but I have a question about Office 365.


My dear wife is a subscriber to 365, and I'm wondering if it is possible
for two people using different computers, her a laptop and me a PC, to
take advantage of the same subscriber license. Admittedly, I don't use
Office much, but when I have the need, I would like to know it is there.
the online copy I have on my system expired a while ago, so thought this
might be an option.


And while I'm at it. What do I have to do to uninstall a non working
office sweet, considering that it contains so many apps. Is there a one
step process, or do I need to uninstall all of them one at a time?


Thanks,


Larry


On 11/28/2018 7:10 AM, Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk wrote:

Thanks Rod.

I have been using Office 2010.  I just bought a new laptop and wanted to 
upgrade Office.  I am not concerned on having the latest version, however, if 
2019 works with Window-eyes, I will go that direction.  Since I don't care 
about constant updates to Office, I have to decide on Office 365 or Office 2019 
local.  With the local install, I don't have to worry about an upgrade being 
installed and WE not working with it, until win-eyes stops working with Windows 
all together.

David Ayers
-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf 
Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 5:45 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: MS Office 365/2019

Hi David,



Ah, the word "issues" begs a response, didn't ya know. Smile
The ongoing issue using Office 365 is that you have to expect that Microsoft 
likes to change the layout and hot keys you have become familiar with from time 
to time, and this can make you crazy.
This ongoing update process is what you buy into when you subscribe to Office 
365, since you always receive updates to all parts of Office as they are rolled 
out.
Microsoft claims to be committed to improving the accessibility of Office over 
time, and so Office 365 is the version of Office which will witness these 
improvements in the most timely manner possible.

Wow, I hope I'm not sounding like a Microsoft commercial! Smile

Seriously, though, at this time, and even since I subscribe to Office 365 in 
2015 when Windows 10 came out, from an accessibility point of view, I'm having 
no focus issues using Window-Eyes with Outlook, Word, and Excel within the 
Office 365 suite.

I'm happy to respond to any other specific questions which might arise for you.



All the best,



Rod Hutton



Sent from Outlook for Windows



-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk
Sent: November 26, 2018 10:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Ayers, David (ITCS) 
Subject: MS Office 365/2019



Hello,



Is anyone using MS Office 365/2019 with WE 9.5.4?  If so, are there any issues?



Thanks, David



David Ayers

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Re: MS Office 365/2019

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Hey guys,


Not to hijack a thread or anything, but I have a question about Office 365.


My dear wife is a subscriber to 365, and I'm wondering if it is possible 
for two people using different computers, her a laptop and me a PC, to 
take advantage of the same subscriber license. Admittedly, I don't use 
Office much, but when I have the need, I would like to know it is there. 
the online copy I have on my system expired a while ago, so thought this 
might be an option.



And while I'm at it. What do I have to do to uninstall a non working 
office sweet, considering that it contains so many apps. Is there a one 
step process, or do I need to uninstall all of them one at a time?



Thanks,


Larry


On 11/28/2018 7:10 AM, Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk wrote:

Thanks Rod.

I have been using Office 2010.  I just bought a new laptop and wanted to 
upgrade Office.  I am not concerned on having the latest version, however, if 
2019 works with Window-eyes, I will go that direction.  Since I don't care 
about constant updates to Office, I have to decide on Office 365 or Office 2019 
local.  With the local install, I don't have to worry about an upgrade being 
installed and WE not working with it, until win-eyes stops working with Windows 
all together.

David Ayers
-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf 
Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 5:45 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: MS Office 365/2019

Hi David,



Ah, the word "issues" begs a response, didn't ya know. Smile
The ongoing issue using Office 365 is that you have to expect that Microsoft 
likes to change the layout and hot keys you have become familiar with from time 
to time, and this can make you crazy.
This ongoing update process is what you buy into when you subscribe to Office 
365, since you always receive updates to all parts of Office as they are rolled 
out.
Microsoft claims to be committed to improving the accessibility of Office over 
time, and so Office 365 is the version of Office which will witness these 
improvements in the most timely manner possible.

Wow, I hope I'm not sounding like a Microsoft commercial! Smile

Seriously, though, at this time, and even since I subscribe to Office 365 in 
2015 when Windows 10 came out, from an accessibility point of view, I'm having 
no focus issues using Window-Eyes with Outlook, Word, and Excel within the 
Office 365 suite.

I'm happy to respond to any other specific questions which might arise for you.



All the best,



Rod Hutton



Sent from Outlook for Windows



-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Ayers, David (ITCS) via Talk
Sent: November 26, 2018 10:18 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Ayers, David (ITCS) 
Subject: MS Office 365/2019



Hello,



Is anyone using MS Office 365/2019 with WE 9.5.4?  If so, are there any issues?



Thanks, David



David Ayers

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Re: Talk Digest, Vol 1191, Issue 1

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

You continue to receive these messages simply because WE is no longer in 
production. Our beloved WE will never be updated or upgraded again, and 
that also goes for apps. As they say in the business, WE is at the end 
of life, meaning that is dead, never to rise again. That's it!



On 10/8/2018 7:38 AM, rgarrett5--- via Talk wrote:

Greetings,

When ever I attempt to update Aps in WE, I get a message that update failed.
Using Windows 10 and the latest version of WE.  Also, using Office 2016 and
I get some funky behavior on occasion.  Any input appreciated.  Bob Garrett

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2. Re: Considering Voice over (Tony C)
3. Re: Considering Voice over (Rod Hutton)
4. Re: ChromeBook Accessibility (Rod Hutton)
5. Re: Considering Voice over (George Savory)
6. Re: Considering VoiceOver (geo...@optonline.net)
7. Re: Considering VoiceOver (Butch Bussen)
8. RE: Considering VoiceOver (Amanda Lee)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 21:55:19 +
From: Manny Gee 
To: "talk@lists.window-eyes.com" 
Subject: Considering Voice over
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Aloha to all,

I too am in the same boat.

I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going over to
Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and the voice-over.

I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac.

I have a jaws question.

Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes.

Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc.

Good luck to all,

Manny




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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:32:40 -0500
From: "Tony C" 
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: Considering Voice over
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Hi, II  have thought about the Mac also, but you almost need three hands and
35 fingers to do some of the commands, and the price is high too.

-Original Message-
From: Manny Gee via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 4:55 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Manny Gee
Subject: Considering Voice over

Aloha to all,

I too am in the same boat.

I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going over to
Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and the voice-over.

I find that the iPad is easier to learn than the Mac.

I have a jaws question.

Does Jaws have a configuration setting that mimics Window Eyes.

Also, how do you stop Jaws from announcing the alt key, the tab key etc.

Good luck to all,

Manny



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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 00:34:54 +
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Hi Tony,

Actually, that is a little bit of a misconception.
If you buy the apple magic keyboard with numeric keypad, there are a lot of
dedicated navigation keys.
Also, you can do quite a bit with control option and the arrow keys for
navigation.

Best,

Rod

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On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:32 PM, Tony C via Talk 

wrote:

Hi, II  have thought about the Mac also, but you almost need three hands

and 35 fingers to do some of the commands, and the price is high too.

-Original Message- From: Manny Gee via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 4:55 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Manny Gee
Subject: Considering Voice over

Aloha to all,

I too am in the same boat.

I am inclined, to agree with Denis, to give Jaws a try, since going
over to Mac is having to learn 2 system, is the operating system and

Re: A new issue with Thunderbird

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Thanks Loy, that did it.


On 6/7/2018 12:15 PM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:

Go to view, then layout, there you can check or unchec message pane.
   - Original Message -
   From: Tom Kingston via Talk
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   Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 1:10 PM
   Subject: Re: A new issue with Thunderbird



   It’s in the View menu. I’m on my iPad so I can’t check. I think it’s F8 show 
preview pane.
   Hth,
   Tom

   Dropped from my iDrone

   > On Jun 7, 2018, at 11:32 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk 
 wrote:
   >
   > OK guys, this should be pretty easy to solve, but for the life of me I can't 
figure it out .
   >
   >
   > For some reason, Thunderbird has started showing a message pane every time 
I move to a message in a mail box. I probably wouldn't have noticed this right off 
the bat if I didn't get these messages about T-Bird preventing remote content, 
which comes up far more than I would like.
   >
   >
   > How do you stop this pane from opening up? I'm not sure if I've ever had 
this issue before.
   >
   >
   > I had an issue a while back where the answer was to press F-11, but that 
doesn't do it for me this time.
   >
   >
   > Come to think of it, it seems that at that time I was reminded about 
malware or something, but that was a while ago.  Any help with this would really 
be appreciated.
   >
   >
   > Thanks,
   >
   >
   > Larry
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A new issue with Thunderbird

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

OK guys, this should be pretty easy to solve, but for the life of me I 
can't figure it out .



For some reason, Thunderbird has started showing a message pane every 
time I move to a message in a mail box. I probably wouldn't have noticed 
this right off the bat if I didn't get these messages about T-Bird 
preventing remote content, which comes up far more than I would like.



How do you stop this pane from opening up? I'm not sure if I've ever had 
this issue before.



I had an issue a while back where the answer was to press F-11, but that 
doesn't do it for me this time.



Come to think of it, it seems that at that time I was reminded about 
malware or something, but that was a while ago.  Any help with this 
would really be appreciated.



Thanks,


Larry

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Re: How do you open up Firefox highlighting a specific file

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Hmm, I was kinda trying to avoid that hassle, but if I do it once, and 
maybe set a bookmark, and put a shortcut on the desktop, maybe that will 
work out well enough.



I don't use Firefox much at all, so little as to almost be able to say 
not at all, but the NVDA manual says that NVDA works better with Firefox 
than any of the other browsers.



Hey, just too  many changes demanded at once .




On 6/6/2018 5:54 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
I don't use Firefox. But try Control+O from within Firefox. You should 
be able to either enter the path and file name or move through the 
folder tree and find it.

Hth,
Tom


On 6/6/2018 5:55 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Here I am again,


While experimenting with NVDA this morning, I was trying to open up a 
DAISY file from Bookshare via Firefox, but found that I could find no 
way of doing it through the context menu.



As it is, I have been opening these files using IE, but wanted to 
check out NVDA's performance using Firefox. Windows doesn't seem to 
provide an easy way to open files with Firefox, because it isn't 
included in the list of programs.



Am I missing something, or is there really no way?


Thanks,


Larry

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How do you open up Firefox highlighting a specific file

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Here I am again,


While experimenting with NVDA this morning, I was trying to open up a 
DAISY file from Bookshare via Firefox, but found that I could find no 
way of doing it through the context menu.



As it is, I have been opening these files using IE, but wanted to check 
out NVDA's performance using Firefox. Windows doesn't seem to provide an 
easy way to open files with Firefox, because it isn't included in the 
list of programs.



Am I missing something, or is there really no way?


Thanks,


Larry

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Re: A bit of bad news concerning my MS Office app, and a related GMail question

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Tom, all I wish is that no matter what the respective environments might 
contain ist that some how  by some miracle, that she would have a 
garbage dump of her own, otherwise known as an archive, that I could 
explorer. However, I don't know how easy it would be via Web browser to 
do a real search of all that stuff. But it probably doesn't matter all 
that much at this point I guess.



I knew that my love affair with WE would have to come to an end, but 
guess I wasn't expecting for it to end so abruptly .



I'll letcha know what happens, and I'm sure I'll have plenty more 
questions relating to NVDA, and Narrator.



And let me say right off the bat, I hate these Microsoft synth voices 
for a n umber of reasons that I wont go into now. Suffice it to say, 
this is going to be quite an adjustment.



TTYL,


Larry


On 6/6/2018 1:03 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Larry,

Be it that you have that all folder and your wife isn't using a client 
I assume your gMail was setup with the now standard iMap protocol 
rather than the old pop protocol. So your mail should all be on the 
server. But I haven't used the gMail page in ages. So good luck.


Tom


On 6/6/2018 10:13 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Well my dear listers,


It looks like restoring my license of Office may turn out to be 
difficult, if not impossible. The hitch is that my dear wife, who was 
an English teacher at a local community college was eligible to 
acquire a copy of Office, either free, or at a considerable discount, 
I don't rightly remember. We downloaded and installed the copy in 
somewhere around the first of April, or near the end of March of 
2015. I don't think either of us were aware of the possibility that 
the license might have a limited duration, but apparently it did.



It was suggested by the kind lady at the accessibility desk that I 
might locate the email that we might have received from the school 
verifying the license, but I don't think, in fact I know, that my 
wife has no recall of such an email containing the validation key, 
and I don't recall receiving such an email either. But here is where 
the GmMail question comes in.



I've noticed that in Thunderbird under my GMail account, that there 
is a box called all mail. In this box is over 5 emails going back 
to September of 2016. That is a long way back, but it only goes back 
as far as the beginning of my account with them.



Besides wondering where all this mail is being stored, either on the 
server, or if it is all still on my system, I'm wondering if since my 
wife doesn't use an offline client, if there might be a chance that 
she could have access to such a folder/box on her personal Web GMail 
page. If we could excavate as far down as April of 2015, we might 
actually find what we are looking for.



With this, I'd better get ready to restart my computer. So if anybody 
could give me any info on this question, it would certainly be 
greatly and gratefully appreciated.



Thanks,


Larry





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A bit of bad news concerning my MS Office app, and a related GMail question

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Well my dear listers,


It looks like restoring my license of Office may turn out to be 
difficult, if not impossible. The hitch is that my dear wife, who was an 
English teacher at a local community college was eligible to acquire a 
copy of Office, either free, or at a considerable discount, I don't 
rightly remember. We downloaded and installed the copy in somewhere 
around the first of April, or near the end of March of 2015. I don't 
think either of us were aware of the possibility that the license might 
have a limited duration, but apparently it did.



It was suggested by the kind lady at the accessibility desk that I might 
locate the email that we might have received from the school verifying 
the license, but I don't think, in fact I know, that my wife has no 
recall of such an email containing the validation key, and I don't 
recall receiving such an email either. But here is where the GmMail 
question comes in.



I've noticed that in Thunderbird under my GMail account, that there is a 
box called all mail. In this box is over 5 emails going back to 
September of 2016. That is a long way back, but it only goes back as far 
as the beginning of my account with them.



Besides wondering where all this mail is being stored, either on the 
server, or if it is all still on my system, I'm wondering if since my 
wife doesn't use an offline client, if there might be a chance that she 
could have access to such a folder/box on her personal Web GMail page. 
If we could excavate as far down as April of 2015, we might actually 
find what we are looking for.



With this, I'd better get ready to restart my computer. So if anybody 
could give me any info on this question, it would certainly be greatly 
and gratefully appreciated.



Thanks,


Larry





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Re: May be I should know this, but ...

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Thanks Tom. As usual, when you give an explanation, it tends to clear 
things up very well .




Please get ready to kindly give me assistance with another issue some 
time this evening. Hopefully you can anyway.


I am presently in WE demo mode, because it appears that all of a sudden 
my Office 13 is no longer valid, making it impossible to run WE for 
Office as a normal copy of WE.


OK, I said more than I intended in this message. Anyway, this may 
present me with no other choice but to run narrator, and I do have some 
questions about that, that is if you are up for that. But I must go fix 
myself some supper, because my dear wife is, and will be in the hospital 
for the next three days or so, so I am batching so to speak . my 
demo session will run out shortly, so will have to reboot after dinner. 
What a hassle!


Again Tom, thanks for answering my question so well.

Larry


On 6/5/2018 5:21 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
Just to expand a bit on what John said, The Window-Eyes program is 
installed in the Program Files (x86) folder, as is all 32 bit programs 
on 64 bit Windows. And that is where it is run from. All the program 
components and modules are there.
The AppData profile folders are just your personal configuration 
folders. For example, let's say you and your wife both use 
Window-Eyes. You can each have your own profile with your own set 
files, dictionaries, apps, etc.
This is why you can wipe out a profile and Window-Eyes will just 
create a new one using the default template, which will be built from 
the files in the Program Files (x86) folder.

Regards,
Tom


On 6/5/2018 5:47 PM, john schwery via Talk wrote:
Larry, on my system, I have both 32 and 64 bit programs.  The 32 bit 
programs are installed to the x86 directory.


At 05:25 PM 6/5/2018, Larry Higgins via Talk, wrote:
OK John, I'm sure that's true, but why even put it there when, as it 
at least appears to me, the program, WE that is, is actually run 
from the app data folder,  or am I some how mistaken about this. 
Please straighten me out on this one . On 6/5/2018 11:35 AM, 
john schwery via Talk wrote: > Larry, that directory is where a 64 
bit os puts 32 bit programs. > > At 11:10 AM 6/5/2018, Larry Higgins 
via Talk, wrote: >> Listers, It has occurred to me to ask this a 
number of times, but >> just never got around to it. While trying to 
help a fellow lister  >> yesterday, I found myself looking into 
the Program Files (X86) >> folder, forgetting that is a folder 
apparently without purpose. >> However, I'm sure it must serve some 
purpose or it wouldn't be there. >> I of course know about the 
appdata subfolder, that being the real >> seat of WE, but why that 
one. Could it serve as the backup? That's >> it, Larry 
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Re: May be I should know this, but ...

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

OK John, I'm sure that's true, but why even put it there when, as it at 
least appears to me, the program, WE that is, is actually run from the 
app data folder,  or am I some how mistaken about this. Please 
straighten me out on this one .



On 6/5/2018 11:35 AM, john schwery via Talk wrote:

Larry, that directory is where a 64 bit os puts 32 bit programs.

At 11:10 AM 6/5/2018, Larry Higgins via Talk, wrote:
Listers, It has occurred to me to ask this a number of times, but 
just never got around to it. While trying to help a fellow lister  
yesterday, I found myself looking into the Program Files (X86) 
folder, forgetting that is a folder apparently without purpose. 
However, I'm sure it must serve some purpose or it wouldn't be there. 
I of course know about the appdata subfolder, that being the real 
seat of WE, but why that one. Could it serve as the backup? That's 
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May be I should know this, but ...

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Listers,


It has occurred to me to ask this a number of times, but just never got 
around to it.



While trying to help a fellow lister  yesterday, I found myself looking 
into the Program Files (X86) folder, forgetting that is a folder 
apparently without purpose. However, I'm sure it must serve some purpose 
or it wouldn't be there.



I of course know about the appdata subfolder, that being the real seat 
of WE, but why that one. Could it serve as the backup?



That's it,


Larry

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Re: toggle and not whole phrase

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Richard,


Sorry I couldn't go further toward helping you to  solving your issue. 
However what Tom and I suggested might do the trick. But if your IT guy 
is offering to reimage, then you can't get any better than that,  though 
that might be a bit drastic, but go for it nevertheless.




I tried renaming the Default folder, and had to go through a 
reinstallation of apps, but it did work for me.


Good luck,

Larry


On 6/4/2018 10:20 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:

Told my it guy about it and also other problems and he said he  is going to 
reimage my machine  with a later build, hope that will work, since don't have 
that problem at home.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rkurlan=schools.nyc@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2018 11:15 AM
To: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk 
Cc: Tom Kingston 
Subject: Re: toggle and not whole phrase

Just go to the folder via the file menu, Explore profile folder in the WE 
control panel. Then Control+Insert+F4 or Alt+Tab back to WE and shut it down. 
Then run Narrator and make the change.

On 6/4/2018 10:01 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:

I was able to turn narrator now how do I get to the we folders? If you can call 
me and walk me through it I  would appreciate it. 2128021633

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Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2018 9:29 AM
To: Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk 
Cc: Larry Higgins 
Subject: Re: toggle and not whole phrase

Richard, just try this. Shut down WE, then run Narrator, and then rename the 
folder.


On 6/4/2018 7:44 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:

Not letting me rename saying folder is in use. If  you are in the us. Call me 
at 2128021633 and maybe you can walk me through  this.

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On Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 9:36 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: David 
Subject: Re: toggle and not whole phrase

Or, you can get directly to it, by opening the WE Control Panel -
Ctrl+Backslash, then Hit Alt-F, and the letter E for Explore. You now
are directly in the WE Profile folder, and if you hit the Backspace key, you 
will go one level up. Here you can make your backup copy of the whole folder, 
and do your renaming if you so desire.


On 6/3/2018 2:44 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Richard,

The profile folder is contained within the following folder, that is, the 
parent of the default profile folder  can be opened by typing the following 
command at the Run dialog:

%appdata%\gw micro\window-eyes\users

The Run dialog, incidentally, can be opened by pressing Windows-R.
Once this folder is open, you can highlight the folder called default, which is 
the profile folder, and you can then rename it by adding the characters .Bak to 
the end of the folder name, and then restart WE as Tom suggests.

Hth,

Rod

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On 2018-06-03, 2:09 AM, "Talk on behalf of richard kurlander via Talk" 
 wrote:

where do you find the profile folder?At 10:53 AM 6/2/2018, you wrote:
>Sorry, Richard, but as I said, I have no idea what's causing it.
>It's very seldom that I see it. And I either re-open the control
>panel or reload WE. I can't even remember which.
>Is it doing this every time you open the control panel? Does it do
>it if you reboot and open the control panel with no other programs
>open? If so, I'd probably close WE and rename my profile folder to
>default.back and reload WE. It will create a new default folder.
>That's more or less like a soft reset without having to uninstall
>and reinstall WE.
>Tom
>
>
>On 6/2/2018 6:27 AM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote:
>>tom it's weird since on my machine at home using win ver 1803 at
>>work using win ver 1607 even when I am in keyboard settings for me
>>to hear the right thing I must hit enter twice very weird. do you
>>think something wrong with windoweyes defaults? tried reinstalling
>>that no luck.At 04:13 PM 6/1/2018, you wrote:
>>>I have seen this. But it's so rare I can't remember if I figured
>>>out why it was happening. I think just exiting the control panel
>>>and re-entering it solved the problem.
>>>If you're a sleeper, that is, one who never shuts down but only
>>>puts the system to sleep for weeks on end, a reboot or cold boot
>>>often solves quirky behaviors due to the inevitable memory leaks
>>>and other imperfections in an imperfect ecosystem.
&