Re: Steve Clower

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I sincerely hope not.  But I guess what I hope doesn't matter.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 9:20 AM
To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

It's also news to me as well.  With several employees leaving AI Squared, it
looks like the writing is on the wall for Window Eyes!

-Original Message- 
From: Reeva Webb via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:54 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; kitty hevener
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

:( this is news to me. I must have missed the email announcing he was
leaving. Need anymore proof we is going to be killed off yet?



On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:08 AM kitty hevener via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


reg, a few weeks ago, he emailed us to say he was leaving.  I forgot
exactly
what his last date was, but perhaps it has happened.

-Original Message-
From: Reg Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:03 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Steve Clower

After having striven mightily to help me with a Sonar problem, my last
mail to Steve Clower got an automated reply, indicating that he has left
A I Squared.  This was a bit sudden wasn't it?

If you have any support matters pending with Steve, you might want to
make sure that they are still in the works.

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RE: Steve Clower

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Yes by far Jaws isbetter then NVDA.  Remember you get what you pay for or
don't pay for.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:02 PM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Steve Clower

At the risk of being shot down, I'm curious for those of you who've switched
from JAWS or still use it how it compares to Window Eyes.  When I first
needed a screen reader and picked Window Eyes it was largely because I was
told the customer service was so much better than for JAWS, and I truly was
impressed how easy it was to reach someone at GW.  This list has been my
larger source for WE help, but I've needed to call GW a few times over the
years.  Let's say that VFO gives me a transfer to JAWS by some miracle.  Is
that better than NVDA?   I guess if there is a group list this for NVDA
users and some good sources for learning the program, I'll adjust to that,
but so far I've found it very verbose and I don't know the ways to adjust it
yet.  I completely understand that not having to pay for a screen reader is
very tempting, but I don't want that to be my only reason for choosing a
screen reader once I cannot use WE anymore.  




 

-Original Message-
From: Don H [mailto:lmdd...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 9:54 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

Well I don't like change when it comes to my technology but knowing that WE
has no long term future I have began the process of learning to use NVDA.  I
must say I am very impressed with NVDA and am finding in many cases that
NVDA works better than WE.  I do have two SMA's left and it will be
interesting if they are honored in some way.  I would think a cash refund
would be in order but having delt with FS in the past know it won't be
handled in a way that benefits the user.

On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
> Well said, Grumpy Dave. I'm disappointed, but if a business can't make it,
they do what they can.  I unfortunately think I paid for an SMA and haven't
used it up, so I'm hoping VFO will give me some sort of credit for that if
I'm told to switch.  I've never used JAWS and only played with NVDA a tad.
I don't like transition, so I hope we can support each other as users for as
long as possible.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:11 PM
> To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Steve Clower
>
> I don't think GW Micro sold its Customer's out.
>
> Cash Flow has been a problem for a while, and GW Micro started to sell
> future Upgrades to make up for the low Cash Flow.   JAWS does this, and
> I forget what they are called.   SMA's?
>
> Anyway, when you sell future upgrades at a discount, chances are that
money is going to pay today's Pay roll and Expenses, and when Tommorow
comes, well when tomorrow comes, and cash is still short, you start making
Crazy Deals with the Devil.
>
> Allowing a Free version to anyone owning a copy of MS Office was a
> questionable choice for GW Micro to do.   Perhaps they received a token
> Royalty from Microsoft for every Free Copy Registered.Hard to know,
> since no one is telling why that deal with Microsoft was done, and what
> GW Micro hoped to gain from it.Money of course, but how?
>
> I enjoyed dealing with the original cast of Characters at GW Micro.
> Good Mid-west values and I think they gave award winning effort when
producing their Screen Reader, and then supporting it after the sale.
>
> I doubt if GW Micro sold us out.  But, when a Company doesn't have the
cash to hire more talent to keep up with the latest Operating System, as
well as everything else GW Micro  was doing.
>
> Hard to really know what the Newest Parent Company intends.  This is one
of the problems when getting swallowed by a larger fish, which then
> gets swallowed by even a larger fish.   Communication is bad enough even
> within a small Company like GW Micro, but add a couple of extra layers and
it's a wonder that anything good gets out the door, or even done!
>
>
> Customers?  What Customers?   We have Customers?
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
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RE: Steve Clower

[Van Lant, Robin via Talk]

At the risk of being shot down, I'm curious for those of you who've switched 
from JAWS or still use it how it compares to Window Eyes.  When I first needed 
a screen reader and picked Window Eyes it was largely because I was told the 
customer service was so much better than for JAWS, and I truly was impressed 
how easy it was to reach someone at GW.  This list has been my larger source 
for WE help, but I've needed to call GW a few times over the years.  Let's say 
that VFO gives me a transfer to JAWS by some miracle.  Is that better than 
NVDA?   I guess if there is a group list this for NVDA users and some good 
sources for learning the program, I'll adjust to that, but so far I've found it 
very verbose and I don't know the ways to adjust it yet.  I completely 
understand that not having to pay for a screen reader is very tempting, but I 
don't want that to be my only reason for choosing a screen reader once I cannot 
use WE anymore.  




 

-Original Message-
From: Don H [mailto:lmdd...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 9:54 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

Well I don't like change when it comes to my technology but knowing that WE has 
no long term future I have began the process of learning to use NVDA.  I must 
say I am very impressed with NVDA and am finding in many cases that NVDA works 
better than WE.  I do have two SMA's left and it will be interesting if they 
are honored in some way.  I would think a cash refund would be in order but 
having delt with FS in the past know it won't be handled in a way that benefits 
the user.

On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
> Well said, Grumpy Dave. I'm disappointed, but if a business can't make it, 
> they do what they can.  I unfortunately think I paid for an SMA and haven't 
> used it up, so I'm hoping VFO will give me some sort of credit for that if 
> I'm told to switch.  I've never used JAWS and only played with NVDA a tad.  I 
> don't like transition, so I hope we can support each other as users for as 
> long as possible.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:11 PM
> To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Steve Clower
>
> I don't think GW Micro sold its Customer's out.
>
> Cash Flow has been a problem for a while, and GW Micro started to sell
> future Upgrades to make up for the low Cash Flow.   JAWS does this, and
> I forget what they are called.   SMA's?
>
> Anyway, when you sell future upgrades at a discount, chances are that money 
> is going to pay today's Pay roll and Expenses, and when Tommorow comes, well 
> when tomorrow comes, and cash is still short, you start making Crazy Deals 
> with the Devil.
>
> Allowing a Free version to anyone owning a copy of MS Office was a
> questionable choice for GW Micro to do.   Perhaps they received a token
> Royalty from Microsoft for every Free Copy Registered.Hard to know,
> since no one is telling why that deal with Microsoft was done, and what
> GW Micro hoped to gain from it.Money of course, but how?
>
> I enjoyed dealing with the original cast of Characters at GW Micro.
> Good Mid-west values and I think they gave award winning effort when 
> producing their Screen Reader, and then supporting it after the sale.
>
> I doubt if GW Micro sold us out.  But, when a Company doesn't have the cash 
> to hire more talent to keep up with the latest Operating System, as well as 
> everything else GW Micro  was doing.
>
> Hard to really know what the Newest Parent Company intends.  This is one of 
> the problems when getting swallowed by a larger fish, which then
> gets swallowed by even a larger fish.   Communication is bad enough even
> within a small Company like GW Micro, but add a couple of extra layers and 
> it's a wonder that anything good gets out the door, or even done!
>
>
> Customers?  What Customers?   We have Customers?
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
>
> --
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RE: Steve Clower

[Dennis Long via Talk]

You get what you pay for or not.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:57 AM
To: 'Don H'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Van Lant, Robin'
Subject: RE: Steve Clower

Glad that your looking at NVDA. It's a fantastic screen reader.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 8:54 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

Well I don't like change when it comes to my technology but knowing that WE
has no long term future I have began the process of learning to use NVDA.  I
must say I am very impressed with NVDA and am finding in many cases that
NVDA works better than WE.  I do have two SMA's left and it will be
interesting if they are honored in some way.  I would think a cash refund
would be in order but having delt with FS in the past know it won't be
handled in a way that benefits the user.

On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
> Well said, Grumpy Dave. I'm disappointed, but if a business can't make 
> it,
they do what they can.  I unfortunately think I paid for an SMA and haven't
used it up, so I'm hoping VFO will give me some sort of credit for that if
I'm told to switch.  I've never used JAWS and only played with NVDA a tad.
I don't like transition, so I hope we can support each other as users for as
long as possible.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:11 PM
> To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Steve Clower
>
> I don't think GW Micro sold its Customer's out.
>
> Cash Flow has been a problem for a while, and GW Micro started to sell
> future Upgrades to make up for the low Cash Flow.   JAWS does this, and
> I forget what they are called.   SMA's?
>
> Anyway, when you sell future upgrades at a discount, chances are that
money is going to pay today's Pay roll and Expenses, and when Tommorow
comes, well when tomorrow comes, and cash is still short, you start making
Crazy Deals with the Devil.
>
> Allowing a Free version to anyone owning a copy of MS Office was a
> questionable choice for GW Micro to do.   Perhaps they received a token
> Royalty from Microsoft for every Free Copy Registered.Hard to know,
> since no one is telling why that deal with Microsoft was done, and what
> GW Micro hoped to gain from it.Money of course, but how?
>
> I enjoyed dealing with the original cast of Characters at GW Micro.
> Good Mid-west values and I think they gave award winning effort when
producing their Screen Reader, and then supporting it after the sale.
>
> I doubt if GW Micro sold us out.  But, when a Company doesn't have the
cash to hire more talent to keep up with the latest Operating System, as
well as everything else GW Micro  was doing.
>
> Hard to really know what the Newest Parent Company intends.  This is 
> one
of the problems when getting swallowed by a larger fish, which then
> gets swallowed by even a larger fish.   Communication is bad enough even
> within a small Company like GW Micro, but add a couple of extra layers 
> and
it's a wonder that anything good gets out the door, or even done!
>
>
> Customers?  What Customers?   We have Customers?
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
>
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>
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RE: Steve Clower

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Glad that your looking at NVDA. It's a fantastic screen reader.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 8:54 AM
To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

Well I don't like change when it comes to my technology but knowing that WE
has no long term future I have began the process of learning to use NVDA.  I
must say I am very impressed with NVDA and am finding in many cases that
NVDA works better than WE.  I do have two SMA's left and it will be
interesting if they are honored in some way.  I would think a cash refund
would be in order but having delt with FS in the past know it won't be
handled in a way that benefits the user.

On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:
> Well said, Grumpy Dave. I'm disappointed, but if a business can't make it,
they do what they can.  I unfortunately think I paid for an SMA and haven't
used it up, so I'm hoping VFO will give me some sort of credit for that if
I'm told to switch.  I've never used JAWS and only played with NVDA a tad.
I don't like transition, so I hope we can support each other as users for as
long as possible.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:11 PM
> To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Steve Clower
>
> I don't think GW Micro sold its Customer's out.
>
> Cash Flow has been a problem for a while, and GW Micro started to sell
> future Upgrades to make up for the low Cash Flow.   JAWS does this, and
> I forget what they are called.   SMA's?
>
> Anyway, when you sell future upgrades at a discount, chances are that
money is going to pay today's Pay roll and Expenses, and when Tommorow
comes, well when tomorrow comes, and cash is still short, you start making
Crazy Deals with the Devil.
>
> Allowing a Free version to anyone owning a copy of MS Office was a
> questionable choice for GW Micro to do.   Perhaps they received a token
> Royalty from Microsoft for every Free Copy Registered.Hard to know,
> since no one is telling why that deal with Microsoft was done, and what
> GW Micro hoped to gain from it.Money of course, but how?
>
> I enjoyed dealing with the original cast of Characters at GW Micro.
> Good Mid-west values and I think they gave award winning effort when
producing their Screen Reader, and then supporting it after the sale.
>
> I doubt if GW Micro sold us out.  But, when a Company doesn't have the
cash to hire more talent to keep up with the latest Operating System, as
well as everything else GW Micro  was doing.
>
> Hard to really know what the Newest Parent Company intends.  This is one
of the problems when getting swallowed by a larger fish, which then
> gets swallowed by even a larger fish.   Communication is bad enough even
> within a small Company like GW Micro, but add a couple of extra layers and
it's a wonder that anything good gets out the door, or even done!
>
>
> Customers?  What Customers?   We have Customers?
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
>
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Re: Steve Clower

[Don H via Talk]

Well I don't like change when it comes to my technology but knowing that 
WE has no long term future I have began the process of learning to use 
NVDA.  I must say I am very impressed with NVDA and am finding in many 
cases that NVDA works better than WE.  I do have two SMA's left and it 
will be interesting if they are honored in some way.  I would think a 
cash refund would be in order but having delt with FS in the past know 
it won't be handled in a way that benefits the user.


On 11/23/2016 10:46 AM, Van Lant, Robin via Talk wrote:

Well said, Grumpy Dave. I'm disappointed, but if a business can't make it, they 
do what they can.  I unfortunately think I paid for an SMA and haven't used it 
up, so I'm hoping VFO will give me some sort of credit for that if I'm told to 
switch.  I've never used JAWS and only played with NVDA a tad.  I don't like 
transition, so I hope we can support each other as users for as long as 
possible.




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:11 PM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

I don't think GW Micro sold its Customer's out.

Cash Flow has been a problem for a while, and GW Micro started to sell
future Upgrades to make up for the low Cash Flow.   JAWS does this, and
I forget what they are called.   SMA's?

Anyway, when you sell future upgrades at a discount, chances are that money is 
going to pay today's Pay roll and Expenses, and when Tommorow comes, well when 
tomorrow comes, and cash is still short, you start making Crazy Deals with the 
Devil.

Allowing a Free version to anyone owning a copy of MS Office was a
questionable choice for GW Micro to do.   Perhaps they received a token
Royalty from Microsoft for every Free Copy Registered.Hard to know,
since no one is telling why that deal with Microsoft was done, and what
GW Micro hoped to gain from it.Money of course, but how?

I enjoyed dealing with the original cast of Characters at GW Micro.
Good Mid-west values and I think they gave award winning effort when producing 
their Screen Reader, and then supporting it after the sale.

I doubt if GW Micro sold us out.  But, when a Company doesn't have the cash to 
hire more talent to keep up with the latest Operating System, as well as 
everything else GW Micro  was doing.

Hard to really know what the Newest Parent Company intends.  This is one of the 
problems when getting swallowed by a larger fish, which then
gets swallowed by even a larger fish.   Communication is bad enough even
within a small Company like GW Micro, but add a couple of extra layers and it's 
a wonder that anything good gets out the door, or even done!


Customers?  What Customers?   We have Customers?

Grumpy Dave




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RE: Steve Clower

[Van Lant, Robin via Talk]

Well said, Grumpy Dave. I'm disappointed, but if a business can't make it, they 
do what they can.  I unfortunately think I paid for an SMA and haven't used it 
up, so I'm hoping VFO will give me some sort of credit for that if I'm told to 
switch.  I've never used JAWS and only played with NVDA a tad.  I don't like 
transition, so I hope we can support each other as users for as long as 
possible.




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+robin_van_lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:11 PM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

I don't think GW Micro sold its Customer's out.

Cash Flow has been a problem for a while, and GW Micro started to sell
future Upgrades to make up for the low Cash Flow.   JAWS does this, and
I forget what they are called.   SMA's?  

Anyway, when you sell future upgrades at a discount, chances are that money is 
going to pay today's Pay roll and Expenses, and when Tommorow comes, well when 
tomorrow comes, and cash is still short, you start making Crazy Deals with the 
Devil.  

Allowing a Free version to anyone owning a copy of MS Office was a
questionable choice for GW Micro to do.   Perhaps they received a token
Royalty from Microsoft for every Free Copy Registered.Hard to know,
since no one is telling why that deal with Microsoft was done, and what
GW Micro hoped to gain from it.Money of course, but how?  

I enjoyed dealing with the original cast of Characters at GW Micro. 
Good Mid-west values and I think they gave award winning effort when producing 
their Screen Reader, and then supporting it after the sale.  

I doubt if GW Micro sold us out.  But, when a Company doesn't have the cash to 
hire more talent to keep up with the latest Operating System, as well as 
everything else GW Micro  was doing.  

Hard to really know what the Newest Parent Company intends.  This is one of the 
problems when getting swallowed by a larger fish, which then
gets swallowed by even a larger fish.   Communication is bad enough even
within a small Company like GW Micro, but add a couple of extra layers and it's 
a wonder that anything good gets out the door, or even done!  


Customers?  What Customers?   We have Customers?  

Grumpy Dave




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Re: Steve Clower

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

My problem with NVDA is, I can't use my tripletalk with it.  I wished that 
NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout.


-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 2:57 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

Have been a WE user since version 1.1 if my memory serves me correctly.
Seeing the writing on the wall I have began the process of learning NVDA
and I am finding it very useable.I think that GW sold us out a long
time ago and the only direction WE will now go is down.  So sorry to
think and say that as I have always felt that WE was the best scren
reader out there.  I guess nothing lasts forever in todays world.

On 11/22/2016 4:46 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:

I have made that decision with respect to personal computing.

Hauled out my MacBook purchased over a year ago last weekend.  Got sighted 
assistance to crank into proper life. And made real progress with 
VoiceOver.  A long way to go, but I plan to buy the book from Mosen 
Consulting on learning to use Pages. Already using Mail and plan to play 
with Safari very soon.   Ok: Apple's customer service isn't great either, 
(apart from sales), but accessibility is better than the VFO and Microsoft 
combination, and for me it is a point of principle now.


Maybe I'm unreasonable.  When Humanware shifted out of New Zealand (where 
I live) I decided never to buy another Humanware product.  And - I've 
stuck to that position for almost 10 years. I did understand Humanware's 
business decision, which of itself, made perfect sense. As things 
stand - I don't plan to buy another VFO product.  My money is worth 
something, and given the abysmal customer relations we are seeing, VFO and 
I fundamentally disagree on how much my customer patronage should be 
valued.


Although we on this list have these discussions based on an event such as 
the departure of respected virtual friend, staff turnover is natural and 
healthy.  Staff turnover is not for me the central point.  My concern is 
the arrogant disregard from Corporate VFO when loyal customers start by 
asking reasonable questions, based on reasonable concerns.


We should probably conclude that the list is not being monitored by senior 
VFO Executives.  I do not expect staff to try and defend the behaviours of 
the senior executive.  I expect Vice Presidents and above to lead 
accountability to their customers.


VFO is a multi-national, multi-million dollar corporate, receiving 
Government contracts in numerous countries.  So: if people can make 
informed choices regarding alternatives to what they currently have, vote 
with feet, dollars, word of mouth advertising and everything else that is 
available.



Vaughan.


Vaughan.



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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2016 11:04 a.m.
To: Tony Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

Tell you what - if we're forced to by Shark, I may just forget about 
Windows machines as much as I can.  Being forced into a screenreader and 
culture I don't like is like having our new president-elect take officve. 
I like neither of them.  Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao





On 11/22/2016 4:56 PM, Tony Hernandez via Talk wrote:

I wrote an e-mail to i...@vfo-group.com asking about this. Perhaps if
enough people did the same, they might feel it appropriate to give
some kind of info about this. It's worth a shot. What's the worst they
could do in response?


On 11/22/2016 11:59 AM, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote:

You know I feel this as well; The thing is that Since Asquared bought
out GWMicro the software has not gotten any better; the tech support
has gotten lax in what they do; and lets face it the main
contributers for the Window eyes screen reader have all but gone.

So Yes I do agree the writing is on the wall for window eyes.



On 11/22/2016 8:20 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

It's also news to me as well.  With several employees leaving AI
Squared, it looks like the writing is on the wall for Window Eyes!

-Original Message- From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:54 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; kitty hevener
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

:( this is news to me. I must have missed the email announcing he
was leaving. Need anymore proof we is going to be killed off yet?



On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:08 AM kitty hevener via Talk <
talk@lists.win

Re: Steve Clower

[David via Talk]

screen reader, at least if it is a paid-for version, will keep running. 
And for many a user, that might be the case, long enough to let you get 
ready for some of tomorrow's technology. Admittedly, things look strange 
at the moment, and maybe that is their way of preparing the market for 
the shock of it all being discontinued. But my screen reader works for 
today, and tomorrow will have more than enough with its own anxieties.



On 11/22/2016 11:57 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> Have been a WE user since version 1.1 if my memory serves me 
> correctly. Seeing the writing on the wall I have began the process of 
> learning NVDA and I am finding it very useable. I think that GW sold 
> us out a long time ago and the only direction WE will now go is down.  
> So sorry to think and say that as I have always felt that WE was the 
> best scren reader out there.  I guess nothing lasts forever in todays 
> world.
>
> On 11/22/2016 4:46 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>> I have made that decision with respect to personal computing.
>>
>> Hauled out my MacBook purchased over a year ago last weekend. Got 
>> sighted assistance to crank into proper life. And made real progress 
>> with VoiceOver.  A long way to go, but I plan to buy the book from 
>> Mosen Consulting on learning to use Pages. Already using Mail and 
>> plan to play with Safari very soon.   Ok: Apple's customer service 
>> isn't great either, (apart from sales), but accessibility is better 
>> than the VFO and Microsoft combination, and for me it is a point of 
>> principle now.
>>
>> Maybe I'm unreasonable.  When Humanware shifted out of New Zealand 
>> (where I live) I decided never to buy another Humanware product.  And 
>> - I've stuck to that position for almost 10 years. I did understand 
>> Humanware's business decision, which of itself, made perfect 
>> sense. As things stand - I don't plan to buy another VFO 
>> product.  My money is worth something, and given the abysmal customer 
>> relations we are seeing, VFO and I fundamentally disagree on how much 
>> my customer patronage should be valued.
>>
>> Although we on this list have these discussions based on an event 
>> such as the departure of respected virtual friend, staff turnover is 
>> natural and healthy.  Staff turnover is not for me the central 
>> point.  My concern is the arrogant disregard from Corporate VFO when 
>> loyal customers start by asking reasonable questions, based on 
>> reasonable concerns.
>>
>> We should probably conclude that the list is not being monitored by 
>> senior VFO Executives.  I do not expect staff to try and defend the 
>> behaviours of the senior executive.  I expect Vice Presidents and 
>> above to lead accountability to their customers.
>>
>> VFO is a multi-national, multi-million dollar corporate, receiving 
>> Government contracts in numerous countries.  So: if people can make 
>> informed choices regarding alternatives to what they currently have, 
>> vote with feet, dollars, word of mouth advertising and everything 
>> else that is available.
>>
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to 
>> emailing or faxing any new referrals.
>>
>> Vaughan Dodd, Regional Disability Advisor.
>>
>> Desk2desk: 97187.
>> Email: vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz.
>> For referrals: email fax_gnlis001_health_disabil...@msd.govt.nz.
>>
>> Our up-to-date desk file is located at:
>> http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2016 11:04 a.m.
>> To: Tony Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Steve Clower
>>
>> Tell you what - if we're forced to by Shark, I may just forget about 
>> Windows machines as much as I can.  Being forced into a screenreader 
>> and culture I don't like is like having our new president-elect take 
>> officve.  I like neither of them.  Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/22/2016 4:56 PM, Tony Hernandez via Talk wrote:
>>> I wrote an e-mail to i...@vfo-group.com asking about this. Perhaps if
>>> enough people did the same, they might feel it appropriate to give
>>> some kind of info about this. It's worth a shot. What's the worst they
>>> coul

Re: Steve Clower

[Dave via Talk]

I don't think GW Micro sold its Customer's out.

Cash Flow has been a problem for a while, and GW Micro started to sell
future Upgrades to make up for the low Cash Flow.   JAWS does this, and
I forget what they are called.   SMA's?  

Anyway, when you sell future upgrades at a discount, chances are that
money is going to pay today's Pay roll and Expenses, and when Tommorow
comes, well when tomorrow comes, and cash is still short, you start
making Crazy Deals with the Devil.  

Allowing a Free version to anyone owning a copy of MS Office was a
questionable choice for GW Micro to do.   Perhaps they received a token
Royalty from Microsoft for every Free Copy Registered.Hard to know,
since no one is telling why that deal with Microsoft was done, and what
GW Micro hoped to gain from it.Money of course, but how?  

I enjoyed dealing with the original cast of Characters at GW Micro. 
Good Mid-west values and I think they gave award winning effort when
producing their Screen Reader, and then supporting it after the sale.  

I doubt if GW Micro sold us out.  But, when a Company doesn't have the
cash to hire more talent to keep up with the latest Operating System, as
well as everything else GW Micro  was doing.  

Hard to really know what the Newest Parent Company intends.  This is one
of the problems when getting swallowed by a larger fish, which then
gets swallowed by even a larger fish.   Communication is bad enough even
within a small Company like GW Micro, but add a couple of extra layers
and it's a wonder that anything good gets out the door, or even done!  


Customers?  What Customers?   We have Customers?  

Grumpy Dave




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Re: Steve Clower

[Dave via Talk]

Matthew, I strongly disagree with your Political comments.And it is
best that you keep them at least off this list.  

With that being said, I would like to talk to someone that would have
rather had the election go another way.  Would you be willing to talk
with me, either by Phone, or by direct Email?I would like to know
why you hold the opinion you express.  And Sharing it here, is not the
right thing to do.  

My direct Email is dlh...@centurylink.net

If you want to speak by phone, I can either send you my number, or you
can send me yours.

I hope you are willing.

grumpy Dave


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Re: Steve Clower

[Don H via Talk]

Have been a WE user since version 1.1 if my memory serves me correctly. 
Seeing the writing on the wall I have began the process of learning NVDA 
and I am finding it very useable.I think that GW sold us out a long 
time ago and the only direction WE will now go is down.  So sorry to 
think and say that as I have always felt that WE was the best scren 
reader out there.  I guess nothing lasts forever in todays world.


On 11/22/2016 4:46 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:

I have made that decision with respect to personal computing.

Hauled out my MacBook purchased over a year ago last weekend.  Got sighted 
assistance to crank into proper life. And made real progress with VoiceOver.  A 
long way to go, but I plan to buy the book from Mosen Consulting on learning to 
use Pages. Already using Mail and plan to play with Safari very soon.   Ok: 
Apple's customer service isn't great either, (apart from sales), but 
accessibility is better than the VFO and Microsoft combination, and for me it 
is a point of principle now.

Maybe I'm unreasonable.  When Humanware shifted out of New Zealand (where I 
live) I decided never to buy another Humanware product.  And - I've stuck to 
that position for almost 10 years. I did understand Humanware's business 
decision, which of itself, made perfect sense. As things stand - I don't 
plan to buy another VFO product.  My money is worth something, and given the 
abysmal customer relations we are seeing, VFO and I fundamentally disagree on 
how much my customer patronage should be valued.

Although we on this list have these discussions based on an event such as the 
departure of respected virtual friend, staff turnover is natural and healthy.  
Staff turnover is not for me the central point.  My concern is the arrogant 
disregard from Corporate VFO when loyal customers start by asking reasonable 
questions, based on reasonable concerns.

We should probably conclude that the list is not being monitored by senior VFO 
Executives.  I do not expect staff to try and defend the behaviours of the 
senior executive.  I expect Vice Presidents and above to lead accountability to 
their customers.

VFO is a multi-national, multi-million dollar corporate, receiving Government 
contracts in numerous countries.  So: if people can make informed choices 
regarding alternatives to what they currently have, vote with feet, dollars, 
word of mouth advertising and everything else that is available.


Vaughan.


Vaughan.



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faxing any new referrals.

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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2016 11:04 a.m.
To: Tony Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

Tell you what - if we're forced to by Shark, I may just forget about Windows 
machines as much as I can.  Being forced into a screenreader and culture I 
don't like is like having our new president-elect take officve.  I like neither 
of them.  Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao




On 11/22/2016 4:56 PM, Tony Hernandez via Talk wrote:

I wrote an e-mail to i...@vfo-group.com asking about this. Perhaps if
enough people did the same, they might feel it appropriate to give
some kind of info about this. It's worth a shot. What's the worst they
could do in response?


On 11/22/2016 11:59 AM, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote:

You know I feel this as well; The thing is that Since Asquared bought
out GWMicro the software has not gotten any better; the tech support
has gotten lax in what they do; and lets face it the main
contributers for the Window eyes screen reader have all but gone.

So Yes I do agree the writing is on the wall for window eyes.



On 11/22/2016 8:20 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

It's also news to me as well.  With several employees leaving AI
Squared, it looks like the writing is on the wall for Window Eyes!

-Original Message- From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:54 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; kitty hevener
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

:( this is news to me. I must have missed the email announcing he
was leaving. Need anymore proof we is going to be killed off yet?



On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:08 AM kitty hevener via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


reg, a few weeks ago, he emailed us to say he was leaving.  I
forgot exactly what his last date was, but perhaps it has happened.

-Original Message-
From: Reg Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:03 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject:

RE: Steve Clower

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

I have made that decision with respect to personal computing.

Hauled out my MacBook purchased over a year ago last weekend.  Got sighted 
assistance to crank into proper life. And made real progress with VoiceOver.  A 
long way to go, but I plan to buy the book from Mosen Consulting on learning to 
use Pages. Already using Mail and plan to play with Safari very soon.   Ok: 
Apple's customer service isn't great either, (apart from sales), but 
accessibility is better than the VFO and Microsoft combination, and for me it 
is a point of principle now.

Maybe I'm unreasonable.  When Humanware shifted out of New Zealand (where I 
live) I decided never to buy another Humanware product.  And - I've stuck to 
that position for almost 10 years. I did understand Humanware's business 
decision, which of itself, made perfect sense. As things stand - I don't 
plan to buy another VFO product.  My money is worth something, and given the 
abysmal customer relations we are seeing, VFO and I fundamentally disagree on 
how much my customer patronage should be valued.

Although we on this list have these discussions based on an event such as the 
departure of respected virtual friend, staff turnover is natural and healthy.  
Staff turnover is not for me the central point.  My concern is the arrogant 
disregard from Corporate VFO when loyal customers start by asking reasonable 
questions, based on reasonable concerns.

We should probably conclude that the list is not being monitored by senior VFO 
Executives.  I do not expect staff to try and defend the behaviours of the 
senior executive.  I expect Vice Presidents and above to lead accountability to 
their customers.

VFO is a multi-national, multi-million dollar corporate, receiving Government 
contracts in numerous countries.  So: if people can make informed choices 
regarding alternatives to what they currently have, vote with feet, dollars, 
word of mouth advertising and everything else that is available.


Vaughan.


Vaughan.



Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to emailing or 
faxing any new referrals.

Vaughan Dodd, Regional Disability Advisor.

Desk2desk: 97187.
Email: vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz.
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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2016 11:04 a.m.
To: Tony Hernandez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

Tell you what - if we're forced to by Shark, I may just forget about Windows 
machines as much as I can.  Being forced into a screenreader and culture I 
don't like is like having our new president-elect take officve.  I like neither 
of them.  Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao




On 11/22/2016 4:56 PM, Tony Hernandez via Talk wrote:
> I wrote an e-mail to i...@vfo-group.com asking about this. Perhaps if 
> enough people did the same, they might feel it appropriate to give 
> some kind of info about this. It's worth a shot. What's the worst they 
> could do in response?
>
>
> On 11/22/2016 11:59 AM, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote:
>> You know I feel this as well; The thing is that Since Asquared bought 
>> out GWMicro the software has not gotten any better; the tech support 
>> has gotten lax in what they do; and lets face it the main 
>> contributers for the Window eyes screen reader have all but gone.
>>
>> So Yes I do agree the writing is on the wall for window eyes.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/22/2016 8:20 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
>>> It's also news to me as well.  With several employees leaving AI 
>>> Squared, it looks like the writing is on the wall for Window Eyes!
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Reeva Webb via Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:54 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; kitty hevener
>>> Subject: Re: Steve Clower
>>>
>>> :( this is news to me. I must have missed the email announcing he 
>>> was leaving. Need anymore proof we is going to be killed off yet?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:08 AM kitty hevener via Talk < 
>>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> reg, a few weeks ago, he emailed us to say he was leaving.  I 
>>>> forgot exactly what his last date was, but perhaps it has happened.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Reg Webb via Talk
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:03 AM
>>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>>> Subject: Steve Clower
&

Re: Steve Clower

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

Tell you what - if we're forced to by Shark, I may just forget about 
Windows machines as much as I can.  Being forced into a screenreader and 
culture I don't like is like having our new president-elect take 
officve.  I like neither of them.  Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao





On 11/22/2016 4:56 PM, Tony Hernandez via Talk wrote:
I wrote an e-mail to i...@vfo-group.com asking about this. Perhaps if 
enough people did the same, they might feel it appropriate to give 
some kind of info about this. It's worth a shot. What's the worst they 
could do in response?



On 11/22/2016 11:59 AM, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote:
You know I feel this as well; The thing is that Since Asquared bought 
out GWMicro the software has not gotten any better; the tech support 
has gotten lax in what they do; and lets face it the main 
contributers for the Window eyes screen reader have all but gone.


So Yes I do agree the writing is on the wall for window eyes.



On 11/22/2016 8:20 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
It's also news to me as well.  With several employees leaving AI 
Squared, it looks like the writing is on the wall for Window Eyes!


-Original Message- From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:54 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; kitty hevener
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

:( this is news to me. I must have missed the email announcing he was
leaving. Need anymore proof we is going to be killed off yet?



On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:08 AM kitty hevener via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


reg, a few weeks ago, he emailed us to say he was leaving.  I forgot
exactly
what his last date was, but perhaps it has happened.

-Original Message-
From: Reg Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:03 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Steve Clower

After having striven mightily to help me with a Sonar problem, my last
mail to Steve Clower got an automated reply, indicating that he has 
left

A I Squared.  This was a bit sudden wasn't it?

If you have any support matters pending with Steve, you might want to
make sure that they are still in the works.

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RE: Steve Clower

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

I feel the need to develop this discussion point, as the betrayal of customers 
has extended to at least another company in the VFO group.

I have an Optelec braille display, the 40 cell Alva Comfort.  The Optelec 
website has not offered  Windows 10  drivers, its hot key references for 
Window-Eyes have not been updated - there are incorrect  hot key labels.  I am 
wondering about support to users generally.

I find it inconsistent that Freedom Scientific is charging ahead, while the 
rest of us are being told that there was to be a transition period.  
Window-eyes is not charging ahead, my braille display looks as if it will not 
be developed or even repaired.

In situations llike this, it requires a small number of us to make lots of 
noise, so if there are people who do not llike the noise we are making - select 
all and delete.  Having written to VFO, based on sensible suggestions from list 
members, and not got even an autoresponse, I've concluded that they have failed 
the 101 Introduction to marketing paper when they enrolled with Trump 
University!

I shan't say for a second time what VFO stands for out of respect to those who 
might be offended by language.


Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2016 5:59 a.m.
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Reeva Webb
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

You know I feel this as well; The thing is that Since Asquared bought out 
GWMicro the software has not gotten any better; the tech support has gotten lax 
in what they do; and lets face it the main contributers for the Window eyes 
screen reader have all but gone.

So Yes I do agree the writing is on the wall for window eyes.



On 11/22/2016 8:20 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
> It's also news to me as well.  With several employees leaving AI 
> Squared, it looks like the writing is on the wall for Window Eyes!
>
> -Original Message- From: Reeva Webb via Talk
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:54 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; kitty hevener
> Subject: Re: Steve Clower
>
> :( this is news to me. I must have missed the email announcing he was 
> leaving. Need anymore proof we is going to be killed off yet?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:08 AM kitty hevener via Talk < 
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>> reg, a few weeks ago, he emailed us to say he was leaving.  I forgot 
>> exactly what his last date was, but perhaps it has happened.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Reg Webb via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:03 AM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Steve Clower
>>
>> After having striven mightily to help me with a Sonar problem, my 
>> last mail to Steve Clower got an automated reply, indicating that he 
>> has left A I Squared.  This was a bit sudden wasn't it?
>>
>> If you have any support matters pending with Steve, you might want to 
>> make sure that they are still in the works.
>>
>> --
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Re: Steve Clower

[Tony Hernandez via Talk]

I wrote an e-mail to i...@vfo-group.com asking about this. Perhaps if 
enough people did the same, they might feel it appropriate to give some 
kind of info about this. It's worth a shot. What's the worst they could 
do in response?



On 11/22/2016 11:59 AM, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote:
You know I feel this as well; The thing is that Since Asquared bought 
out GWMicro the software has not gotten any better; the tech support 
has gotten lax in what they do; and lets face it the main contributers 
for the Window eyes screen reader have all but gone.


So Yes I do agree the writing is on the wall for window eyes.



On 11/22/2016 8:20 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
It's also news to me as well.  With several employees leaving AI 
Squared, it looks like the writing is on the wall for Window Eyes!


-Original Message- From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:54 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; kitty hevener
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

:( this is news to me. I must have missed the email announcing he was
leaving. Need anymore proof we is going to be killed off yet?



On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:08 AM kitty hevener via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


reg, a few weeks ago, he emailed us to say he was leaving.  I forgot
exactly
what his last date was, but perhaps it has happened.

-Original Message-
From: Reg Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:03 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Steve Clower

After having striven mightily to help me with a Sonar problem, my last
mail to Steve Clower got an automated reply, indicating that he has 
left

A I Squared.  This was a bit sudden wasn't it?

If you have any support matters pending with Steve, you might want to
make sure that they are still in the works.

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Re: Steve Clower

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

You know I feel this as well; The thing is that Since Asquared bought 
out GWMicro the software has not gotten any better; the tech support has 
gotten lax in what they do; and lets face it the main contributers for 
the Window eyes screen reader have all but gone.


So Yes I do agree the writing is on the wall for window eyes.



On 11/22/2016 8:20 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
It's also news to me as well.  With several employees leaving AI 
Squared, it looks like the writing is on the wall for Window Eyes!


-Original Message- From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:54 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; kitty hevener
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

:( this is news to me. I must have missed the email announcing he was
leaving. Need anymore proof we is going to be killed off yet?



On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:08 AM kitty hevener via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


reg, a few weeks ago, he emailed us to say he was leaving.  I forgot
exactly
what his last date was, but perhaps it has happened.

-Original Message-
From: Reg Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:03 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Steve Clower

After having striven mightily to help me with a Sonar problem, my last
mail to Steve Clower got an automated reply, indicating that he has left
A I Squared.  This was a bit sudden wasn't it?

If you have any support matters pending with Steve, you might want to
make sure that they are still in the works.

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Re: Steve Clower

[brice Mijares via Talk]

	Well I'll be damned if I'll buy a new screen reader. I'll use NVDA or 
Narrator .

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Re: Steve Clower

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

It's also news to me as well.  With several employees leaving AI Squared, it 
looks like the writing is on the wall for Window Eyes!


-Original Message- 
From: Reeva Webb via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:54 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; kitty hevener
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

:( this is news to me. I must have missed the email announcing he was
leaving. Need anymore proof we is going to be killed off yet?



On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:08 AM kitty hevener via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


reg, a few weeks ago, he emailed us to say he was leaving.  I forgot
exactly
what his last date was, but perhaps it has happened.

-Original Message-
From: Reg Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:03 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Steve Clower

After having striven mightily to help me with a Sonar problem, my last
mail to Steve Clower got an automated reply, indicating that he has left
A I Squared.  This was a bit sudden wasn't it?

If you have any support matters pending with Steve, you might want to
make sure that they are still in the works.

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Re: Steve Clower

[Lynn White via Talk]

Chris is blind, for what it's worth.


On 11/21/2016 12:46 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
When it comes to Chris, frankly I don't care. Kris's knowledge and 
advice are just too valuable IMHO to shine this kind of light, or 
whatever it is on him. I understand the concern, but let us please not 
get carried away.


On 11/21/2016 12:29 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:

I think Chris is still there but don't if know he is sighted.
  - Original Message -
  From: David via Talk
  To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Reeva Webb
  Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 1:22 PM
  Subject: Re: Steve Clower


  just a practical question here:


  Out of the Window-Eyes staff left, is there any Blind or Visually
  Impaired person left? Or, is it all sighted people now?


  Seems to me, a developing staff and customer service of a screen 
reader,

  or any products for the blind, should at least prioritized having some
  representatives for the target customer group. Otherwise, we soon 
would
  find ourselves misunderstood, whenever we point out challenges and 
issues.




  David

  On 11/21/2016 7:09 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
  > Makes one wonder how Window Eyes can survive ling term with everyone
  > leaving.
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RE: Steve Clower

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Sky,

Narrator will have braille support soon according to Microsoft's Chief 
Accessibility Officer:

https://www.coolblindtech.com/spotlight-interview-with-jenny-lay-flurrie-chief-accessibility-officer-at-microsoft/

She also mentioned the Window-Eyes for Office offer, which implies it won't 
disappear soon, but this is only my guess.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 5:16 PM
To: 'Vaughan Dodd' <vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'David' <trailerda...@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Steve Clower

To add to all of this, NVDA is going to have contracted braille input in
grade 2 braille in the next version of it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 2:10 PM
To: 'David'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Steve Clower

Happy for us to start speculating - staff turnover is a fact of life, and
the context of this has been said well in the message below.

For myself: (but only on the home front) I'm stepping up my learning of the
Mac, so that if the takeover by VFO was simply to buy out competition to
JFW, I won't have to buy a screen reader I would not choose to use.

The six months transition is about up, and the evidence from my stand point
as being a customer who feels very disenfranchised is that VFO is  not a
company I would choose to do business with.

Vaughan.



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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016 8:38 a.m.
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List; 'Reeva Webb'
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

People come and go, just like times. :)


Big thing is not just that someone leaves, but to what extend someone
knowledgeable and experienced comes in, to fill their shoes. And for sure,
it adds up to quite a number of staff members, leaving in very short time.
Were they forced to, did they decide the new company was not for them, or
did they already have plans - just needed an excuse? I do not think anyone
of us should start spiculating.


I am concerned to see so many leave at the same time, or at least in a
shorter period. The words we were told earlier:

 "no changes for the first six months..."

Sure did not stick, did they. But noone could promise such a thing. 
Personal decisions are hard to predict. yet we all would know, that a
company fusion - openly admitted or not - ALWAYS causes slim-downs. One
question seems valid here, and that is to what extend this slimming down
only took place in the Window-Eyes department, or if it actually found its
way all cross the new board.


Biggest mistake I find the new company does, is to leave their customers in
vain, and speculating. Good information on what is taking place, what would
be the plans (if any exists), and how reorganization will affect the
customers - all seems to be valid concerns for the market. Had they given us
the notice that EVERY staff member of the Window-Eyes team would be
dismissed in six months, well then it would have been a sad news, but it at
least would have left us all informed. Had they told us open-heartedly, that
they were planning to replace them with someone else - over whoever knows
how long a time frame - at least we would have known what was going on,
hence could have dealt with the facts. But the way it is now, we just keep
spiculating. And honestly list members, it is not going to take us anywhere.


Sad to see them all leaving, but more concerned what is going to be the
replacement, or outcome of it all. For now, I am going to enjoy the screen
reader the way it is. Except from that, I have put all further app
development for the community on ice, till things are cleared up. 
And I guess few other developers are going to be overly eager on maintaining
and invent apps, long as we do not know what the future of the screen reader
will be.


Just keep in mind, it is just about six months now, so who knows if we soon
will have some more and leading information from the administration
department. Whatever will be, I guess noone cares to tell us, until they
find it the right time. Smiles.


On 11/21/2016 8:06 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
wrote:
> If Mr. Clower is gone, and Mr. Raul Gallegos gone a thousand ages 
> before him, the thas indeed hit; tornado and gale-like force winds 
> will finally give Window-Eyes the LAST PUSH out to sea!
>
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Re: Steve Clower

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I don't have a clue how long they will keep window-eyes around, nor do I 
know who might be left as far as blind programmers.  I've known Doug 
since 1983, (back in the apple days), and he is the only sighted person 
I've ever met who really can imagine things from our point of view.  He 
knows what is needed to make a program talk and talk well.  As long as 
Doug is on the project, never fear, we're covered.



73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Mon, 21 Nov 2016, 
Loy via Talk wrote:



I think Chris is still there but don't if know he is sighted.
 - Original Message -
 From: David via Talk
 To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Reeva Webb
 Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 1:22 PM
 Subject: Re: Steve Clower


 just a practical question here:


 Out of the Window-Eyes staff left, is there any Blind or Visually
 Impaired person left? Or, is it all sighted people now?


 Seems to me, a developing staff and customer service of a screen reader,
 or any products for the blind, should at least prioritized having some
 representatives for the target customer group. Otherwise, we soon would
 find ourselves misunderstood, whenever we point out challenges and issues.



 David

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RE: Steve Clower

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

To add to all of this, NVDA is going to have contracted braille input in
grade 2 braille in the next version of it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 2:10 PM
To: 'David'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Steve Clower

Happy for us to start speculating - staff turnover is a fact of life, and
the context of this has been said well in the message below.

For myself: (but only on the home front) I'm stepping up my learning of the
Mac, so that if the takeover by VFO was simply to buy out competition to
JFW, I won't have to buy a screen reader I would not choose to use.

The six months transition is about up, and the evidence from my stand point
as being a customer who feels very disenfranchised is that VFO is  not a
company I would choose to do business with.

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016 8:38 a.m.
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List; 'Reeva Webb'
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

People come and go, just like times. :)


Big thing is not just that someone leaves, but to what extend someone
knowledgeable and experienced comes in, to fill their shoes. And for sure,
it adds up to quite a number of staff members, leaving in very short time.
Were they forced to, did they decide the new company was not for them, or
did they already have plans - just needed an excuse? I do not think anyone
of us should start spiculating.


I am concerned to see so many leave at the same time, or at least in a
shorter period. The words we were told earlier:

 "no changes for the first six months..."

Sure did not stick, did they. But noone could promise such a thing. 
Personal decisions are hard to predict. yet we all would know, that a
company fusion - openly admitted or not - ALWAYS causes slim-downs. One
question seems valid here, and that is to what extend this slimming down
only took place in the Window-Eyes department, or if it actually found its
way all cross the new board.


Biggest mistake I find the new company does, is to leave their customers in
vain, and speculating. Good information on what is taking place, what would
be the plans (if any exists), and how reorganization will affect the
customers - all seems to be valid concerns for the market. Had they given us
the notice that EVERY staff member of the Window-Eyes team would be
dismissed in six months, well then it would have been a sad news, but it at
least would have left us all informed. Had they told us open-heartedly, that
they were planning to replace them with someone else - over whoever knows
how long a time frame - at least we would have known what was going on,
hence could have dealt with the facts. But the way it is now, we just keep
spiculating. And honestly list members, it is not going to take us anywhere.


Sad to see them all leaving, but more concerned what is going to be the
replacement, or outcome of it all. For now, I am going to enjoy the screen
reader the way it is. Except from that, I have put all further app
development for the community on ice, till things are cleared up. 
And I guess few other developers are going to be overly eager on maintaining
and invent apps, long as we do not know what the future of the screen reader
will be.


Just keep in mind, it is just about six months now, so who knows if we soon
will have some more and leading information from the administration
department. Whatever will be, I guess noone cares to tell us, until they
find it the right time. Smiles.


On 11/21/2016 8:06 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
wrote:
> If Mr. Clower is gone, and Mr. Raul Gallegos gone a thousand ages 
> before him, the thas indeed hit; tornado and gale-like force winds 
> will finally give Window-Eyes the LAST PUSH out to sea!
>
> Sincerely,
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> Denver, Coloradosunami
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[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Happy for us to start speculating - staff turnover is a fact of life, and  the 
context of this has been said well in the message below.

For myself: (but only on the home front) I'm stepping up my learning of the 
Mac, so that if the takeover by VFO was simply to buy out competition to JFW, I 
won't have to buy a screen reader I would not choose to use.

The six months transition is about up, and the evidence from my stand point as 
being a customer who feels very disenfranchised is that VFO is  not a company I 
would choose to do business with.

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2016 8:38 a.m.
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List; 'Reeva Webb'
Subject: Re: Steve Clower

People come and go, just like times. :)


Big thing is not just that someone leaves, but to what extend someone 
knowledgeable and experienced comes in, to fill their shoes. And for sure, it 
adds up to quite a number of staff members, leaving in very short time. Were 
they forced to, did they decide the new company was not for them, or did they 
already have plans - just needed an excuse? I do not think anyone of us should 
start spiculating.


I am concerned to see so many leave at the same time, or at least in a shorter 
period. The words we were told earlier:

 "no changes for the first six months..."

Sure did not stick, did they. But noone could promise such a thing. 
Personal decisions are hard to predict. yet we all would know, that a company 
fusion - openly admitted or not - ALWAYS causes slim-downs. One question seems 
valid here, and that is to what extend this slimming down only took place in 
the Window-Eyes department, or if it actually found its way all cross the new 
board.


Biggest mistake I find the new company does, is to leave their customers in 
vain, and speculating. Good information on what is taking place, what would be 
the plans (if any exists), and how reorganization will affect the customers - 
all seems to be valid concerns for the market. Had they given us the notice 
that EVERY staff member of the Window-Eyes team would be dismissed in six 
months, well then it would have been a sad news, but it at least would have 
left us all informed. Had they told us open-heartedly, that they were planning 
to replace them with someone else - over whoever knows how long a time frame - 
at least we would have known what was going on, hence could have dealt with the 
facts. But the way it is now, we just keep spiculating. And honestly list 
members, it is not going to take us anywhere.


Sad to see them all leaving, but more concerned what is going to be the 
replacement, or outcome of it all. For now, I am going to enjoy the screen 
reader the way it is. Except from that, I have put all further app development 
for the community on ice, till things are cleared up. 
And I guess few other developers are going to be overly eager on maintaining 
and invent apps, long as we do not know what the future of the screen reader 
will be.


Just keep in mind, it is just about six months now, so who knows if we soon 
will have some more and leading information from the administration department. 
Whatever will be, I guess noone cares to tell us, until they find it the right 
time. Smiles.


On 11/21/2016 8:06 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
wrote:
> If Mr. Clower is gone, and Mr. Raul Gallegos gone a thousand ages 
> before him, the thas indeed hit; tornado and gale-like force winds 
> will finally give Window-Eyes the LAST PUSH out to sea!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Coloradosunami
>
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RE: Steve Clower

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Does anyone have the orgininal email steve posted about leaving I missed
that.  I'm sorry to see him go.  He was always very helpful.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 2:07 PM
To: 'Reeva Webb'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Steve Clower

If Mr. Clower is gone, and Mr. Raul Gallegos gone a thousand ages before
him, the thas indeed hit; tornado and gale-like force winds will finally
give Window-Eyes the LAST PUSH out to sea!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
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Re: Steve Clower

[David via Talk]

People come and go, just like times. :)


Big thing is not just that someone leaves, but to what extend someone 
knowledgeable and experienced comes in, to fill their shoes. And for 
sure, it adds up to quite a number of staff members, leaving in very 
short time. Were they forced to, did they decide the new company was not 
for them, or did they already have plans - just needed an excuse? I do 
not think anyone of us should start spiculating.


I am concerned to see so many leave at the same time, or at least in a 
shorter period. The words we were told earlier:

 "no changes for the first six months..."

Sure did not stick, did they. But noone could promise such a thing. 
Personal decisions are hard to predict. yet we all would know, that a 
company fusion - openly admitted or not - ALWAYS causes slim-downs. One 
question seems valid here, and that is to what extend this slimming down 
only took place in the Window-Eyes department, or if it actually found 
its way all cross the new board.


Biggest mistake I find the new company does, is to leave their customers 
in vain, and speculating. Good information on what is taking place, what 
would be the plans (if any exists), and how reorganization will affect 
the customers - all seems to be valid concerns for the market. Had they 
given us the notice that EVERY staff member of the Window-Eyes team 
would be dismissed in six months, well then it would have been a sad 
news, but it at least would have left us all informed. Had they told us 
open-heartedly, that they were planning to replace them with someone 
else - over whoever knows how long a time frame - at least we would have 
known what was going on, hence could have dealt with the facts. But the 
way it is now, we just keep spiculating. And honestly list members, it 
is not going to take us anywhere.


Sad to see them all leaving, but more concerned what is going to be the 
replacement, or outcome of it all. For now, I am going to enjoy the 
screen reader the way it is. Except from that, I have put all further 
app development for the community on ice, till things are cleared up. 
And I guess few other developers are going to be overly eager on 
maintaining and invent apps, long as we do not know what the future of 
the screen reader will be.


Just keep in mind, it is just about six months now, so who knows if we 
soon will have some more and leading information from the administration 
department. Whatever will be, I guess noone cares to tell us, until they 
find it the right time. Smiles.


On 11/21/2016 8:06 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:
> If Mr. Clower is gone, and Mr. Raul Gallegos gone a thousand ages before
> him, the thas indeed hit; tornado and gale-like force winds will finally
> give Window-Eyes the LAST PUSH out to sea!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Coloradosunami
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RE: Steve Clower

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

If Mr. Clower is gone, and Mr. Raul Gallegos gone a thousand ages before
him, the thas indeed hit; tornado and gale-like force winds will finally
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Sincerely,
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Re: Steve Clower

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

When it comes to Chris, frankly I don't care. Kris's knowledge and 
advice are just too valuable IMHO to shine this kind of light, or 
whatever it is on him. I understand the concern, but let us please not 
get carried away.


On 11/21/2016 12:29 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:

I think Chris is still there but don't if know he is sighted.
  - Original Message -
  From: David via Talk
  To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Reeva Webb
  Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 1:22 PM
  Subject: Re: Steve Clower


  just a practical question here:


  Out of the Window-Eyes staff left, is there any Blind or Visually
  Impaired person left? Or, is it all sighted people now?


  Seems to me, a developing staff and customer service of a screen reader,
  or any products for the blind, should at least prioritized having some
  representatives for the target customer group. Otherwise, we soon would
  find ourselves misunderstood, whenever we point out challenges and issues.



  David

  On 11/21/2016 7:09 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
  > Makes one wonder how Window Eyes can survive ling term with everyone
  > leaving.
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Re: Steve Clower

[Loy via Talk]

I think Chris is still there but don't if know he is sighted.
  - Original Message - 
  From: David via Talk 
  To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Reeva Webb 
  Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 1:22 PM
  Subject: Re: Steve Clower


  just a practical question here:


  Out of the Window-Eyes staff left, is there any Blind or Visually 
  Impaired person left? Or, is it all sighted people now?


  Seems to me, a developing staff and customer service of a screen reader, 
  or any products for the blind, should at least prioritized having some 
  representatives for the target customer group. Otherwise, we soon would 
  find ourselves misunderstood, whenever we point out challenges and issues.



  David

  On 11/21/2016 7:09 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
  > Makes one wonder how Window Eyes can survive ling term with everyone 
  > leaving.
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Re: Steve Clower

[David via Talk]

just a practical question here:


Out of the Window-Eyes staff left, is there any Blind or Visually 
Impaired person left? Or, is it all sighted people now?


Seems to me, a developing staff and customer service of a screen reader, 
or any products for the blind, should at least prioritized having some 
representatives for the target customer group. Otherwise, we soon would 
find ourselves misunderstood, whenever we point out challenges and issues.



David

On 11/21/2016 7:09 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> Makes one wonder how Window Eyes can survive ling term with everyone 
> leaving.
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Re: Steve Clower

[Don H via Talk]

Makes one wonder how Window Eyes can survive ling term with everyone 
leaving.

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Re: Steve Clower

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

:( this is news to me. I must have missed the email announcing he was
leaving. Need anymore proof we is going to be killed off yet?



On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:08 AM kitty hevener via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> reg, a few weeks ago, he emailed us to say he was leaving.  I forgot
> exactly
> what his last date was, but perhaps it has happened.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Reg Webb via Talk
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:03 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Steve Clower
>
> After having striven mightily to help me with a Sonar problem, my last
> mail to Steve Clower got an automated reply, indicating that he has left
> A I Squared.  This was a bit sudden wasn't it?
>
> If you have any support matters pending with Steve, you might want to
> make sure that they are still in the works.
>
> --
> Reg
> 
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Re: Steve Clower

[Alan Paganelli via Talk]

i'm sorry to hear that. Steve helped me out of many tight corner! He seem like 
he was a very nice fellow! I wish him well in whatever he's going to do next!



Alan

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> On Nov 21, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Reg Webb via Talk  
> wrote:
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> After having striven mightily to help me with a Sonar problem, my last
> mail to Steve Clower got an automated reply, indicating that he has left
> A I Squared.  This was a bit sudden wasn't it?
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> If you have any support matters pending with Steve, you might want to
> make sure that they are still in the works.
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