Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

Thank you, Samuel.

-Original Message- 
From: Samuel Wilkins via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 2:27 PM
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.


--
Regards,

Samuel Wilkins

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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Drew Clark via Talk]

but before jaws, jonathan mosen used window eyes. 

Sent from my  window eyes mail app done by me! 

> On 15 Oct 2016, at 9:10 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Vaughn. They defenatly do have a foothold in the market and they can
> control it to their advantage. I bet Erick comes to NZ to promote JAWS to
> agencies, and not to mshen Jonathan Mosen used to work for them.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:00 PM
> To: Nick Sarames; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
> 
> Their place in the market is virtually secure: they have an almost 
> international monopoly on screen reader software.
> 
> 
> Vaughan.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/15/2016 1:32 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> It's not enough to complain, you have to find a way to show them that
>> this would hurt their place in the market.
>> 
>>> On 10/14/2016 8:30 PM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
>>> Hello list.
>>> 
>>> Start a petition and send it to this company stating you do not want to
>>> see Window Eyes phased out.
>>> 
>>> Kenneth Son.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 10/14/2016 18:51, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
>>>> No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
>>>> around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you
>>>> expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did
>>>> when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the
>>>> product and that you are a loyal user.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going
>>>>> to be
>>>>> fazed out?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Talk
>>>>> 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
>>>>> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
>>>>> To: bj colt via Talk
>>>>> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello John,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
>>>>> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
>>>>> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
>>>>> other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
>>>>> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
>>>>> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
>>>>> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
>>>>> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
>>>>> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
>>>>> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
>>>>> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
>>>>> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
>>>>> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
>>>>> pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are
> developing
>>>>> both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
>>>>> Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: this is only speculation, no official announcement has been made. wasRe: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

True, but it's precisely because of the lack of an official announcement, 
not to mention Freedom Scientific's past lawsuits against GW Micro, that 
people are convinced that Window-Eyes' days are numbered. I for one hope not 
of course but I'll use it as long as I can before making a decision whether 
to go Mac or grit my teeth and use NVDA.


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 4:46 PM
To: geo...@optonline.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: this is only speculation, no official announcement has been made. 
wasRe: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes


No official announcement has been made on the status of Window-eyes.
Some of you are so convinced it's going away, yet nothing has come down.
Why don't you wait for an official announcement before making the next
step? Or, better yet, if you *really* value Window-eyes as a
screenreader, write to them and let them know that their efforts would
be worth something, if some decision were to be made.  JAWS gets a lot
of its use from government contracts, so Window-eyes could have a
foot-hold on the consumer end, if they were to make it available at a
reduced price, or continue to offer the free version, which I think they
still do. so i do believe there is a place for it.



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Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I didn't care for the NVDA version of Eloquence. It wouldn't save my 
settings.


-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 7:24 PM
To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Vaughan Dodd'
Subject: RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Also, I read that NVDA screen reader will be coming out with contracted
braille input in grade 2 braille. NVDA's braille support is on par with
JAWS, in my opinion, and NVDA updates very very frequently.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:18 PM
To: 'Vaughan Dodd'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Absolutely right, Vaughn.

-Original Message-
From: Vaughan Dodd [mailto:vdodd...@vodafone.co.nz]
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Yes: but it also meant that no money was going into Window-Eyes
developments.


The insiders in this industry have a lot to answer for.  They correctly
commented positively on the opportunity to get a good screen reader into
the hands of many more blind people, but they were silent on issues of
ongoing investment into research and development, future releases, and
the need for new tools to deal with applications which are less
intuitively accessible.


I don't see how Microsoft would want to continue subsidising
Window-Eyes.  Windolw-Eyes needs development, and Office wil surely
undergo changes over time which adversely affect  usability for
Window-Eyes users.  And Microsoft thinks Narrator will be its answer -
an insult to the thinking  blind person who relies on screen readers to
do more than browse the web.




Vaughan.




On 10/15/2016 8:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did.

This

office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM
To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As

soon

as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put

to

it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have to

cough

up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school.

Which

will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support

goodbye

too, y'all.




On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I
am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it,
amongst other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that
if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind
people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work
fund.  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for
younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as
IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and
they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another
way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't
pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid
work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use
out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that
they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing
that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double

standards.


--
Regards,

Samuel Wilkins

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RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Also, I read that NVDA screen reader will be coming out with contracted
braille input in grade 2 braille. NVDA's braille support is on par with
JAWS, in my opinion, and NVDA updates very very frequently.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:18 PM
To: 'Vaughan Dodd'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Absolutely right, Vaughn.

-Original Message-
From: Vaughan Dodd [mailto:vdodd...@vodafone.co.nz] 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Yes: but it also meant that no money was going into Window-Eyes 
developments.


The insiders in this industry have a lot to answer for.  They correctly 
commented positively on the opportunity to get a good screen reader into 
the hands of many more blind people, but they were silent on issues of 
ongoing investment into research and development, future releases, and 
the need for new tools to deal with applications which are less 
intuitively accessible.


I don't see how Microsoft would want to continue subsidising 
Window-Eyes.  Windolw-Eyes needs development, and Office wil surely 
undergo changes over time which adversely affect  usability for 
Window-Eyes users.  And Microsoft thinks Narrator will be its answer -  
an insult to the thinking  blind person who relies on screen readers to 
do more than browse the web.




Vaughan.




On 10/15/2016 8:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did.
This
> office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM
> To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>
> They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As
soon
> as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put
to
> it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have to
cough
> up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school.
Which
> will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
> upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support
goodbye
> too, y'all.
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello John,
>>
>> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
>> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I
>> am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it,
>> amongst other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that
>> if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind
>> people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work
>> fund.  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for
>> younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as
>> IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and
>> they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another
>> way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't
>> pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid
>> work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use
>> out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that
>> they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing
>> that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double
> standards.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Samuel Wilkins
>>
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>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
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RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Absolutely right, Vaughn.

-Original Message-
From: Vaughan Dodd [mailto:vdodd...@vodafone.co.nz] 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:13 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Yes: but it also meant that no money was going into Window-Eyes 
developments.


The insiders in this industry have a lot to answer for.  They correctly 
commented positively on the opportunity to get a good screen reader into 
the hands of many more blind people, but they were silent on issues of 
ongoing investment into research and development, future releases, and 
the need for new tools to deal with applications which are less 
intuitively accessible.


I don't see how Microsoft would want to continue subsidising 
Window-Eyes.  Windolw-Eyes needs development, and Office wil surely 
undergo changes over time which adversely affect  usability for 
Window-Eyes users.  And Microsoft thinks Narrator will be its answer -  
an insult to the thinking  blind person who relies on screen readers to 
do more than browse the web.




Vaughan.




On 10/15/2016 8:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did.
This
> office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM
> To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>
> They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As
soon
> as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put
to
> it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have to
cough
> up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school.
Which
> will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
> upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support
goodbye
> too, y'all.
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello John,
>>
>> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
>> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I
>> am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it,
>> amongst other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that
>> if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind
>> people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work
>> fund.  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for
>> younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as
>> IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and
>> they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another
>> way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't
>> pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid
>> work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use
>> out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that
>> they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing
>> that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double
> standards.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Samuel Wilkins
>>
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>
>
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Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Yes: but it also meant that no money was going into Window-Eyes 
developments.



The insiders in this industry have a lot to answer for.  They correctly 
commented positively on the opportunity to get a good screen reader into 
the hands of many more blind people, but they were silent on issues of 
ongoing investment into research and development, future releases, and 
the need for new tools to deal with applications which are less 
intuitively accessible.



I don't see how Microsoft would want to continue subsidising 
Window-Eyes.  Windolw-Eyes needs development, and Office wil surely 
undergo changes over time which adversely affect  usability for 
Window-Eyes users.  And Microsoft thinks Narrator will be its answer -  
an insult to the thinking  blind person who relies on screen readers to 
do more than browse the web.





Vaughan.




On 10/15/2016 8:46 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did. This
office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM
To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As soon
as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put to
it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have to cough
up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school. Which
will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye
too, y'all.




On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I
am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it,
amongst other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that
if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind
people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work
fund.  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for
younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as
IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and
they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another
way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't
pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid
work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use
out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that
they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing
that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double

standards.


--
Regards,

Samuel Wilkins

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RE: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hi Vaughn. They defenatly do have a foothold in the market and they can
control it to their advantage. I bet Erick comes to NZ to promote JAWS to
agencies, and not to mshen Jonathan Mosen used to work for them.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:00 PM
To: Nick Sarames; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Their place in the market is virtually secure: they have an almost 
international monopoly on screen reader software.


Vaughan.




On 10/15/2016 1:32 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
> It's not enough to complain, you have to find a way to show them that
> this would hurt their place in the market.
>
> On 10/14/2016 8:30 PM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
>> Hello list.
>>
>> Start a petition and send it to this company stating you do not want to
>> see Window Eyes phased out.
>>
>> Kenneth Son.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/14/2016 18:51, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
>>> No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
>>> around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you
>>> expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did
>>> when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the
>>> product and that you are a loyal user.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going
>>>> to be
>>>> fazed out?
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Talk
>>>>
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>>>
>>>> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
>>>> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
>>>> To: bj colt via Talk
>>>> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>>>>
>>>> Hello John,
>>>>
>>>> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
>>>> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
>>>> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
>>>> other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
>>>> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
>>>> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
>>>> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
>>>> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
>>>> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
>>>> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
>>>> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
>>>> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
>>>> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
>>>> pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are
developing
>>>> both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
>>>> Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.
>>>>
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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Their place in the market is virtually secure: they have an almost 
international monopoly on screen reader software.



Vaughan.




On 10/15/2016 1:32 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

It's not enough to complain, you have to find a way to show them that
this would hurt their place in the market.

On 10/14/2016 8:30 PM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:

Hello list.

Start a petition and send it to this company stating you do not want to
see Window Eyes phased out.

Kenneth Son.



On 10/14/2016 18:51, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you
expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did
when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the
product and that you are a loyal user.




On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going
to be
fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.



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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[David via Talk]

is even a requirement for your car to be aproved on the 
road, that it has this piece of equipment installed. Same could be said 
about many other things in our daily life. Had there only been one or 
two manufacturers on the market, they could simply just sit down and 
claim no such equipment would be technically possible, and leave the 
accident statistics to raise. Having more than one actor on the scene 
sometimes will prove beneficial for development, and can be done without 
any kind of competing simply just by learning from each other, and 
sometimes even cooperating. Or, what do you think about the day when 
Philips and Sony cooperated to kicked out the CD-player on the market? 
Just for one example.

With an ever-decreasing staff in the former GWMicro, it is natural that 
the market asks the question:
"What is actually going on?"
But do we have any information as to whether this decline of staff also 
takes place in the old FS-line? Is it all over the company they are 
slimming down?

I for one, will be sad to see a screen reader that I have come to rely 
on, leave the market; should such be the final outcome. Yet, sometimes 
changes prove beneficial - though hard to take in the first place. Hope 
would be they keep the Win-Eyes running - in some form - up till the 
point when the computers that we all know will no longer be the case of 
the day. Who knows how long Windows itself even will be in business. Now 
aday everyone wants smartphones, or tablets. And tomorrow - Why, who 
knows?

Sure, those of us who are using a paid-for version of WE, will still be 
able to use it - even if it should be discontinued from future 
development and support. And should the mailinglists be turned down, 
someone will put up a privately administered list, and we will all go 
there. But the bad day will be for those who are on payment-plans, or 
even the ones who use the free-version. Yet, it would be useless to 
spiculate with the information currently available, what will happen to 
these groups. Hopefully the new company will have something in store for 
them.

David

On 10/14/2016 10:26 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
> No one really knows.  Doug said back in June no changes at least for the next 
> six months, so maybe they will give us some news soon so we all can stop 
> speculating. I don't have a public job so I will not buy JAWS, I can get 
> along with Window Eyes for a while even if they discontinue it. Then I'll use 
> NVDA.
>- Original Message -
>From: darren harris via Talk
>To: 'Samuel Wilkins' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 4:17 PM
>Subject: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
>fazed out?
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
>On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
>Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
>To: bj colt via Talk
>Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>
>Hello John,
>
>I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
>speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
>not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
>other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
>Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
>wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
>Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
>people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
>technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
>think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
>We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
>Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
>would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
>pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
>both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
>Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.
>
>
>--
>Regards,
>
>Samuel Wilkins
>
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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

I agree with the others who have made comments such as "writing on the 
wall" and shifts in personnel.



We should take it as fact that Window-"
Eyes development is no more.  We should regard VFO as stealthy, 
predatory and arrogant.



They were asked to comment, as a way of halting the speculation. They 
have not.   They have our software maintenance agreements, so they could 
offer us JFW at a heavily discounted price for acquisition of the new 
version 18.  I can't use NVDA at work, and I regard the SMA as a 
contractual arrangement.



In my book, VFO has causded me to be "very f.. off."


Vaughan.




On 10/15/2016 9:17 AM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.




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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

It's not enough to complain, you have to find a way to show them that 
this would hurt their place in the market.

On 10/14/2016 8:30 PM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
> Hello list.
>
> Start a petition and send it to this company stating you do not want to
> see Window Eyes phased out.
>
> Kenneth Son.
>
>
>
> On 10/14/2016 18:51, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
>> No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
>> around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you
>> expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did
>> when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the
>> product and that you are a loyal user.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going
>>> to be
>>> fazed out?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>>
>>> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
>>> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
>>> To: bj colt via Talk
>>> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>>>
>>> Hello John,
>>>
>>> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
>>> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
>>> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
>>> other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
>>> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
>>> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
>>> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
>>> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
>>> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
>>> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
>>> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
>>> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
>>> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
>>> pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
>>> both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
>>> Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Kenneth Son via Talk]

Hello list.

Start a petition and send it to this company stating you do not want to 
see Window Eyes phased out.


Kenneth Son.



On 10/14/2016 18:51, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays 
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you 
expect the same type of customer service and great products as you did 
when ai squared was around. This will let them know you care about the 
product and that you are a loyal user.





On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going 
to be

fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] 


On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.




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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays 
around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you expect 
the same type of customer service and great products as you did when ai 
squared was around. This will let them know you care about the product 
and that you are a loyal user.





On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.




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this is only speculation, no official announcement has been made. was Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

No official announcement has been made on the status of Window-eyes.  
Some of you are so convinced it's going away, yet nothing has come down.
Why don't you wait for an official announcement before making the next 
step? Or, better yet, if you *really* value Window-eyes as a 
screenreader, write to them and let them know that their efforts would 
be worth something, if some decision were to be made.  JAWS gets a lot 
of its use from government contracts, so Window-eyes could have a 
foot-hold on the consumer end, if they were to make it available at a 
reduced price, or continue to offer the free version, which I think they 
still do. so i do believe there is a place for it.




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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[via Talk]

I have not heard that it is.  Everybody seems to be speculating.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: darren harris via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 4:17 PM
To: 'Samuel Wilkins' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.


--
Regards,

Samuel Wilkins

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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Loy via Talk]

No one really knows.  Doug said back in June no changes at least for the next 
six months, so maybe they will give us some news soon so we all can stop 
speculating. I don't have a public job so I will not buy JAWS, I can get along 
with Window Eyes for a while even if they discontinue it. Then I'll use NVDA.
  - Original Message - 
  From: darren harris via Talk 
  To: 'Samuel Wilkins' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 4:17 PM
  Subject: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes


  Hi all,

  Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
  fazed out?

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
  [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
  On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
  Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
  To: bj colt via Talk
  Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

  Hello John,

  I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is 
  speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am 
  not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst 
  other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if 
  Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people 
  wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.  
  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger 
  people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT 
  technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they 
  think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.  
  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for 
  Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you 
  would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own 
  pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing 
  both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out 
  Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.


  -- 
  Regards,

  Samuel Wilkins

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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

No not definite, just reading writing on the wall.




On Friday, October 14, 2016, darren harris via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
> fazed out?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris =
> btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ]
> On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
> Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
> To: bj colt via Talk
> Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
>
> Hello John,
>
> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
> not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
> other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
> Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
> wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
> Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
> people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
> technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
> think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
> We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
> Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
> would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
> pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
> both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
> Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Samuel Wilkins
>
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Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Don H via Talk]

Knowing the history of FS and the fact that all the old GW staff are 
either retiring or taking new jobs elsewhere I would place my bet on WE 
being gone within a short time.  Dam shame that the best screen reader 
ever is going away.


On 10/14/2016 3:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.



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is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[darren harris via Talk]

Hi all,

Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is wineyes going to be
fazed out?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
To: bj colt via Talk
Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is 
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am 
not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst 
other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if 
Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people 
wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.  
Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger 
people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT 
technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and they 
think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another way.  
We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't pay for 
Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work, so you 
would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of your own 
pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are developing 
both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but phasing out 
Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.


-- 
Regards,

Samuel Wilkins

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Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Jim via Talk]

Hi!

Well I guess if it is true that Window-Eyes is being fased out, the 
blind and visually impaired community is getting the very short end in 
the name of proffits..? Listen, I know that proffits are what keeps a 
business going, but having no real choices in the screen reader market 
is going way too far! Of course we all can complain forever, and there 
will probably be absolutely no one to listen..? Oh well, I will continue 
to use Window-Eyes for as long as it works and then see what options are 
there.  My appologies for complaining but I am not sure of what else I 
can do at this point..?  Thanks & 73 de .



On 14-Oct-16 15:39, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As
soon as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be
put to it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have
to cough up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle
school. Which will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye
too, y'all.




On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am not
switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other
reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes
goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get
into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.  Moreover, one of
the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering,
and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about
NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or
compromise security in another way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't
want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for
equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every
computer you use out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have
heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are
doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double
standards.


--
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Samuel Wilkins

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Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Loy via Talk]

Do you suppose that VFO might keep Window Eyes as the free screen reader for 
Office subsidized by Microsoft? 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sky Mundell via Talk 
  To: 'Reeva Webb' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Samuel Wilkins' 
  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 3:46 PM
  Subject: RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes


  Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did. This
  office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM
  To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

  They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As soon
  as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put to
  it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have to cough
  up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school. Which
  will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
  upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye
  too, y'all.




  On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
  talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

  > Hello John,
  >
  > I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is 
  > speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I 
  > am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, 
  > amongst other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that 
  > if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind 
  > people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work 
  > fund.  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for 
  > younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as 
  > IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and 
  > they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another 
  > way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't 
  > pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid 
  > work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use 
  > out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that 
  > they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing 
  > that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double
  standards.
  >
  >
  > --
  > Regards,
  >
  > Samuel Wilkins
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RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Pluss, they won't even make JAWS free for office like Window-eyes did. This
office deal was a chance for everybody to brake away from JAWS

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM
To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As soon
as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put to
it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have to cough
up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school. Which
will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye
too, y'all.




On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hello John,
>
> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is 
> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I 
> am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, 
> amongst other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that 
> if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind 
> people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work 
> fund.  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for 
> younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as 
> IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and 
> they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another 
> way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't 
> pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid 
> work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use 
> out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that 
> they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing 
> that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double
standards.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Samuel Wilkins
>
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RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Exactly right!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:39 PM
To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As soon
as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be put to
it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have to cough
up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle school. Which
will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye
too, y'all.




On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hello John,
>
> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is 
> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I 
> am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, 
> amongst other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that 
> if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind 
> people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work 
> fund.  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for 
> younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as 
> IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and 
> they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another 
> way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't 
> pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid 
> work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use 
> out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that 
> they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing 
> that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double
standards.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Samuel Wilkins
>
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Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

They gonna kill off magic. Trust me. Fs always knew magic was trash. As
soon as the shark and zt get reworked to work well together. Magic will be
put to it's deserved death, zt fusion and we will be killed  and i'll have
to cough up stupid amount of money to upgrade the shark i had in middle
school. Which will still cost me arm and leg even with vfo's "generous"
upgrade pricing. Oh, yeah, kiss ai2's actually helpful tech support goodbye
too, y'all.




On Friday, October 14, 2016, Samuel Wilkins via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hello John,
>
> I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is
> speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I am not
> switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, amongst other
> reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if Window-Eyes
> goes, it provides a significant problem for blind people wanting to get
> into work, as not everyone has an access to work fund.  Moreover, one of
> the few ways we can work, especially for younger people, is volunteering,
> and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT technicians are paranoid about
> NVDA, since it is open source, and they think it could contain a virus or
> compromise security in another way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't
> want NVDA, and they won't pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for
> equipment for unpaid work, so you would have to buy a license for every
> computer you use out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have
> heard that they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are
> doing that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double
> standards.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Samuel Wilkins
>
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Re: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes

[Samuel Wilkins via Talk]

Sorry, that wasn't meant for the list, please ignore it.  It was meant 
for BJ Colt.



On 14/10/2016 20:27, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:

Hello John,

I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know, there is 
speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it is, I 
am not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it, 
amongst other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that 
if Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind 
people wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work 
fund.  Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for 
younger people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as 
IT technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source, and 
they think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another 
way.  We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't 
pay for Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid 
work, so you would have to buy a license for every computer you use 
out of your own pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that 
they are developing both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing 
that, but phasing out Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double 
standards.





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Samuel Wilkins

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