Re: [Talk-transit] [Talk-GB] NaPTAN - Time for the rest?
Can a WMS tileserver.map be generated (from the source shp files)? This can be used as another option for the community to make use of the data. Thanks, Sam On 3/16/10, Oliver O'Brien m...@oliverobrien.co.uk wrote: Great idea - I've put together just such a visualisation, have a look at: http://gibin.geog.ucl.ac.uk/~ollie/lonelybuses/ At z12 it's generated on-demand so might be a bit slow in places. I've used 30m as the cut-off distance between the busstops and the centreline of any kind of highway. Ollie Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:06:22 -0700 From: Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com If there are potentially lots of areas, then I'm wondering if there is a way to visualise these unmapped places. Search for bus stops where no highway=* within some distance of them? Maybe the distance would be the NaPTAN accuracy plus a few metres. This would either make a good list, or the bus stops could be displayed as large red dots on the no-names layer. ___ Talk-GB mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] [Talk-GB] NaPTAN - Time for the rest?
Currently openbusmap.org is a quick hack using an iframe to the original site. This means that if you click permalink the permalink will open in that frame. If you open in a new tab/window from that link, you'll get a permalink. Shaun On 16 Mar 2010, at 22:05, Richard Mann wrote: I tried to supply a lat lon and failed dismally. I find German rail services fascinating, but I suspect I may be in a minority for openbusmap.org users. Is that easy to fix (being able to supply a lat/lon, maybe even generating an openbusmap.org permalink)? Cyclists may also like to ponder whether a good bus service actually does them quite a few favours, even if they don't use it themselves. Certainly has here in Oxford. Richard On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: The cycle map and regular chatter have seen coverage blossom. Obviously bus stops aren't as interesting to fellow OSM nutters as cycle routes; and the cycle map was an early mover and got onto the front page of the main web site. But can't we make a bit more of an effort to push this across the GB community? :-) I sallied forth on this issue at WhereCampEU - topics of how to improve the public transit data in OSM came up a surprising number of times on Saturday. Step One: Register a better domain name for people who can't remember how to type the double-dots in http://www.öpnvkarte.de/ . Et voila, now we have http://openbusmap.org thanks to Shaun. Step Two: Have a (UK?) public transport hack-weekend. Peter Miller offered to sponsor this at said WhereCampEU, so that just needs organising. Step Three: Good editor support. Potlatch2 already supports things like NAPTAN cardinal compass directions. There's more to do on that front... That's a start, and IMHO doing what the cyclemap did (i.e. provide a compelling end-use) does as much as YAOSMIT (that's Yet Another OSM Inspection Tool). The tools have their place, but only for the most hard-core contributors. I see contributors as progressing through the following stages, where only a small proportion ever make it to the next stage: 1) Not interested or aware of the subject in question 2) Liking an end-use of the subject (e.g. opencyclemap.org, openbusmap.org) 3) Fiddling with the data in places that's important to them 4) Getting interested in wider QA of the data using inspection tools I think we need to support 2 and 3 to get a much larger number of people involved in buses etc in the UK. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [talk-ph] advise on tagging barangay health centers
i've been convincing my boss at the national telehealth center, UP Manila, to use openstreetmap.org and this would be a good use case for us. Let me know how we can help on your proposal to use OSM for health projects. I'm sure we can pitch in some ideas on this kind of project. :) -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Kalayaan Group of Islands boundary
Ian has started adding the US-Spain-UK border treaty limits around the Sabah-Spratly Islands area: http://osm.org/go/4lauR Do you think this would invite edit wars from other OSMers in countries that also claim some or all of the Spratlys? In addition (warning: geeky), the border treaty limits were stated via geographic coordinates but in an unspecified geographic datum. Do you think these are applicable to the WGS84 datum we are using? Eugene (osm:seav) -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Kalayaan Group of Islands boundary
Thee is a chance that a possible edit war *could* happen, but it would be best if the editors from the other countries add the claims of their home countries (within the Spratlys). The downside to it is that it can be confusing due to overlapping claims. At least it's better than a possible revert-remove other claims-add own claims edit war. BTW, I was planning to extend the boundary to the Scarborough Shoal (which is considered as part of Philippine territory due to geographical proximity, clamied by China due to its historical importance) and Island of Palmas area (not part of Philippine territory per a decision of the Permanent Court of Arbitration in 1928), but I think that that's too much (for now). And it's more clear that Sabah and the Palmas area are no longer parts of Philippine territory (in my opinion). PS: I could add a boundary (with admin_level=6) around the islands in the Spratlys that are controlled by the Philippines, since Kalayaan is al municipality in Palawan. Tony Montana: Me, I want what's coming to me. Manny Ribera: Oh, well what's coming to you? Tony Montana: The world, chico, and everything in it. - http://ianlopez1115.wordpress.com/ --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com Subject: [talk-ph] Kalayaan Group of Islands boundary To: OSM talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 11:41 PM Ian has started adding the US-Spain-UK border treaty limits around the Sabah-Spratly Islands area: http://osm.org/go/4lauR Do you think this would invite edit wars from other OSMers in countries that also claim some or all of the Spratlys? In addition (warning: geeky), the border treaty limits were stated via geographic coordinates but in an unspecified geographic datum. Do you think these are applicable to the WGS84 datum we are using? Eugene (osm:seav) -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Kalayaan Group of Islands boundary
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Ian has started adding the US-Spain-UK border treaty limits around the Sabah-Spratly Islands area: http://osm.org/go/4lauR Do you think this would invite edit wars from other OSMers in countries that also claim some or all of the Spratlys? I suggest we post this to OSM-talk international list. Our ASEAN neighbors maybe able to catch the discussion. A tag for disputed territories maybe necessary as well. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[OSM-talk-be] Mapping party Turhout: Cake is ready
Fellow mappers, I am pleased to put attention to the announced mapping part on Sunday March 28 in Turnhout. It's because the location to meet is fixed in space-time (thanks Luc!), at Brasserie 't Stadspark, Parklaan 56, Turnhout. Open at 10:00 (summertime). We seem to have networking, food and drinks at our disposal. Take a power strip with your laptop though, since I don't know if there are enough powerplugs for everyone ;) Also as a side-note, but relevant to some, is the availability of 'The Cake' diagram, which will be used during the day to organise the mapping party with respect to who should or could go where. There is a Garmin image available base on that drawing to play with, hope it will turnout to be useful in Turnhout. If you must or need you can already pick a part of the cake in advance to do some part before entering that morning, but leave some for others :) In that case update the wikipage a bit, so that we know in the morning that some stuff is already processed. Check http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Activities#Mapping_party_Turnhout on the day before the event for the latest details. Regards, Ivom ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk] get latitude / longitude of points?
Hello, thanks a lot for your hint. http://postgis.refractions.net/documentation/manual-svn/ST_X.html http://postgis.refractions.net/documentation/manual-svn/ST_Y.html select st_X(st_transform(way,4326)), st_Y(st_transform(way,4326)) from planet_osm_point where ... I tried it like this: select st_X(st_transform(way,4326)), st_Y(st_transform(way,4326)) from planet_osm_point where name='Berlin' and place='city'; But this lead to this error: FEHLER: transform: couldn't project point (1.48918e+06 6.894e+06 0): failed to load NAD27-83 correction file (-38) TIP: PostGIS was unable to transform the point because either no grid shift files were found, or the point does not lie within the range for which the grid shift is defined. Refer to the ST_Transform() section of the PostGIS manual for details on how to configure PostGIS to alter this behaviour. So i looked it up in the documentation for st_Transform(). I got: select PostGIS_Full_Version(); postgis_full_version POSTGIS=1.4.1 GEOS=3.2.0-CAPI-1.6.0 PROJ=Rel. 4.7.1, 23 September 2009 USE_STATS (1 Zeile) So to my understanding, my version of Proj is fine, right? I then tried to google for that error and got some discussion threads. But none of them seemed to have a really usable solution. Is there any hint you could give me to solve this problem? Maybe there's a way around this in mapnik? Thanks for any hints, Torsten. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Getting 403-Forbidden from my app that WAS on sale on the appstore
On 16/03/10 01:45, Grant Slater wrote: what is your app's user-agent? It's (and yes this is really what it sends) True%20Maps and I blocked it yesterday because I believed it was responsible for the massive spike in map api calls over the last few days. Specifically about 25% of Saturday's map calls came from it, which then increased to 60% on Sunday. At the point when I blocked it yesterday it was responsible for 36% of the calls so far on Monday. On 16 March 2010 01:40, IgnacioZzigna...@gmail.com wrote: I´m getting 403-forbidden from my application True Offline Maps that WAS on sale on the IPhone appstore. I had to remove my app from the appstore because of this. Could someone please tell me why I am getting (and everyone else using my app) this error? I haven't seen any politic on the use of the API so I assume what I was doing was right (downloading data for offline usage on the IPhone). In fact I've mentioned my application in a previous post here... The api map call is for editors, not for downloading data for large numbers of end users to use for routing etc. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] get latitude / longitude of points?
Ah.. gridshift! Mmm, projections! http://postgis.refractions.net/pipermail/postgis-users/2009-July/024043.html The error is proj related; or your 900913 projection is missing from the databases spatial_ref_sys table. Torsten Mohr wrote: Hello, thanks a lot for your hint. http://postgis.refractions.net/documentation/manual-svn/ST_X.html http://postgis.refractions.net/documentation/manual-svn/ST_Y.html select st_X(st_transform(way,4326)), st_Y(st_transform(way,4326)) from planet_osm_point where ... I tried it like this: select st_X(st_transform(way,4326)), st_Y(st_transform(way,4326)) from planet_osm_point where name='Berlin' and place='city'; But this lead to this error: FEHLER: transform: couldn't project point (1.48918e+06 6.894e+06 0): failed to load NAD27-83 correction file (-38) TIP: PostGIS was unable to transform the point because either no grid shift files were found, or the point does not lie within the range for which the grid shift is defined. Refer to the ST_Transform() section of the PostGIS manual for details on how to configure PostGIS to alter this behaviour. So i looked it up in the documentation for st_Transform(). I got: select PostGIS_Full_Version(); postgis_full_version POSTGIS=1.4.1 GEOS=3.2.0-CAPI-1.6.0 PROJ=Rel. 4.7.1, 23 September 2009 USE_STATS (1 Zeile) So to my understanding, my version of Proj is fine, right? I then tried to google for that error and got some discussion threads. But none of them seemed to have a really usable solution. Is there any hint you could give me to solve this problem? Maybe there's a way around this in mapnik? Thanks for any hints, Torsten. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Getting 403-Forbidden from my app that WAS on sale onthe appstore
On 16/03/10 08:41, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Be aware also of the Acceptable Use Policy: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy That's tiles - we're talking about the map api call here. Tom Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of IgnacioZ Sent: 16 March 2010 1:41 AM To: osm Subject: [OSM-talk] Getting 403-Forbidden from my app that WAS on sale onthe appstore Hello I´m getting 403-forbidden from my application True Offline Maps that WAS on sale on the IPhone appstore. I had to remove my app from the appstore because of this. Could someone please tell me why I am getting (and everyone else using my app) this error? I haven't seen any politic on the use of the API so I assume what I was doing was right (downloading data for offline usage on the IPhone). In fact I've mentioned my application in a previous post here... I am not sure if this is the place to ask, if not, who could I ask to have this application be able to use the api again? Thanks in advance, Ignacio. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2749 - Release Date: 03/15/10 19:33:00 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Getting 403-Forbidden from my app that WAS on sale on the appstore
On 16 March 2010 08:29, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: It's (and yes this is really what it sends) True%20Maps and I blocked it yesterday because I believed it was responsible for the massive spike in map api calls over the last few days. IgnacioZ, speak to the Trapi guys: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Trapi Their version of the API is optimised for bulk downloading. Mailing List: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tilesathome / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Getting 403-Forbidden from my app that WAS on sale onthe appstore
Then is some further discussion on the same for the API also required and a policy, perhaps similar to the format of tiles, established? There are data limits for an individual call still so presumably it's just an extension of that in words rather than an API limit? Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Tom Hughes [mailto:t...@compton.nu] Sent: 16 March 2010 8:51 AM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: 'IgnacioZ'; 'osm' Subject: Re: Getting 403-Forbidden from my app that WAS on sale onthe appstore On 16/03/10 08:41, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Be aware also of the Acceptable Use Policy: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy That's tiles - we're talking about the map api call here. Tom Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of IgnacioZ Sent: 16 March 2010 1:41 AM To: osm Subject: [OSM-talk] Getting 403-Forbidden from my app that WAS on sale onthe appstore Hello I´m getting 403-forbidden from my application True Offline Maps that WAS on sale on the IPhone appstore. I had to remove my app from the appstore because of this. Could someone please tell me why I am getting (and everyone else using my app) this error? I haven't seen any politic on the use of the API so I assume what I was doing was right (downloading data for offline usage on the IPhone). In fact I've mentioned my application in a previous post here... I am not sure if this is the place to ask, if not, who could I ask to have this application be able to use the api again? Thanks in advance, Ignacio. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2749 - Release Date: 03/15/10 19:33:00 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2749 - Release Date: 03/15/10 19:33:00 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Getting 403-Forbidden from my app that WAS on sale onthe appstore
On 16/03/10 09:35, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:# Then is some further discussion on the same for the API also required and a policy, perhaps similar to the format of tiles, established? There are data limits for an individual call still so presumably it's just an extension of that in words rather than an API limit? It's less about volume and more about what you're doing with the data where the map api is concerned. I mean obviously the intent is to limit the volume of calls, but we've tended to do that by saying that the point is that it should be used as part of an editing cycle where you are fetching data with the intention of changing it rather than just in order to use it in a read only way. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreet Maps in Word press
I'm working on improving GeoPress for this purpose, stay tuned http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/geopress/ == Mikel Maron == +254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron http://mapkibera.org/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti From: Roman Neumüller r.neumul...@gmail.com To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 6:23:55 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreet Maps in Word press Hi John, Unfortunately the osm plugin from http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/osm/ still is not available on wordpress.com - you'll have to get your own blog... Roman Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:52:22 -0800 (PST) From: John Yumbya jyum...@yahoo.com Subject: [OSM-talk] OpenStreet Maps in Word press To: talk@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: 104871.31525...@web113805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ho do I have an open street map on my wordpress blog. Thanks Sincerely yours, John Y Mutua __ iMap Africa Nairobi, Kenya Web Blog: http://imapafrica.wordpress.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Getting 403-Forbidden from my app that WAS on sale onthe appstore
Tom Hughes wrote: I mean obviously the intent is to limit the volume of calls, but we've tended to do that by saying that the point is that it should be used as part of an editing cycle where you are fetching data with the intention of changing it rather than just in order to use it in a read only way. I've added some text to the API page on the wiki. Feel free to clarify further if needed. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=APIdiff=443539oldid=438535 cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Getting-403-Forbidden-from-my-app-that-WAS-on-sale-on-the-appstore-tp4741122p4742741.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for walkers / hikers - getting it going!
Hi I've been looking at this thread with interest and it is probably at risk of resurrecting the endless (?) debate about the use of foot-way, path etc. tags. Without expressing any personal view, to avoid reopening that debate, I would merely note that - rightly or wrongly - the highway=footway tag has been enormously used both for smooth paved urban and suburban paths (wheelchair / pram / shopping trolley friendly) and for invisible-on-the-ground rural or back country paths that are interrupted by obstacles such as gradients, gates, stiles, scrambles, etc. - and for everything in between. Equally, the highway=path tag has been used widely - but not often for the most urban paved paths. This is - whether or not we like it - the current situation. There have been many proposals for change, rationalisation or consolidation - some are very good, maybe others less so! Such is life. The use of the sac scale is - perhaps not surprisingly - mostly restricted at present to paths in the more 'challenging' rural areas - e.g. hill and mountain country, especially in continental Europe (again not surprisingly given its origins). It provides very valuable information for walkers in this sort of area - but (again unsurprisingly, given its pedigree) does not differentiate well at the bottom end of the scale between various kinds of 'easy' paths - e.g. (a) a well marked and signed path in a 'honey pot' region of the countryside that is unpaved and has stiles and/or gates that would make e.g. wheelchair or pram access difficult vs. (b) an urban paved footpath that gives access, for all classes of user, say, to a town park or a shopping mall. I cannot really make any recommendation beyond the usual one - dredge through the numerous wiki entries and the numerous threads on talk lists! I suppose that this has not been very helpful ... sorry! Mike On 19:59, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: .. I'm still unclear how one is supposed to distinguish between a smooth, wide urban footpath and a hiking trail. A footpath can be traversed by a weelchair, perambulator or shopping trolley? Regards, Nick *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, Maritime Safety Queensland or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** -- */Mike Harris/* ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] get latitude / longitude of points?
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Torsten Mohr tm...@s.netic.de wrote: Hello, thanks a lot for your hint. http://postgis.refractions.net/documentation/manual-svn/ST_X.html http://postgis.refractions.net/documentation/manual-svn/ST_Y.html select st_X(st_transform(way,4326)), st_Y(st_transform(way,4326)) from planet_osm_point where ... I tried it like this: select st_X(st_transform(way,4326)), st_Y(st_transform(way,4326)) from planet_osm_point where name='Berlin' and place='city'; But this lead to this error: Try transforming via 3395, which always works for me. For reasons I've never bothered investigating a direct transform from 900913-4326 doesn't work, but 900913-3395-4326 does. e.g. st_X(st_transform(st_transform(way, 3395), 4326)) Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10
Hi! I have been in touch with Graham as well, and posted my idea on the GSoC 2010 ideas page. This is just to keep talk list posted. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GSoC_Project_Ideas_2010#OpenStreetMap_Mashup_generator Please fire your suggestions and comments. Thanks! Regards -- Sajjad Anwar | http://geohackers.in | Blog: http://sajjad.in ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10
Hello, I don't want to break enthusiasm from anyone but the deadline was the 12th of March, meaning that we are 4 days behind the deadline. Has anyone contacted Google for an extension? I don't mind seeing great ideas discussed here, on the contrary, but then, we have to keep in mind that they won't be for a GSOC unless someone contacted Google. Emilie Laffray ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, I don't want to break enthusiasm from anyone but the deadline was the 12th of March, meaning that we are 4 days behind the deadline. Has anyone contacted Google for an extension? I don't mind seeing great ideas discussed here, on the contrary, but then, we have to keep in mind that they won't be for a GSOC unless someone contacted Google. Uh oh looks like you are mistaken. Graham has already placed the OpenStreetMap's proposal and application to Google as seen here. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2010 The ideas are jotted down at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GSoC_Project_Ideas_2010 Regards. -- Sajjad Anwar | http://geohackers.in | Blog: http://sajjad.in ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I don't want to break enthusiasm from anyone but the deadline was the 12th of March, meaning that we are 4 days behind the deadline. Has anyone contacted Google for an extension? I don't mind seeing great ideas discussed here, on the contrary, but then, we have to keep in mind that they won't be for a GSOC unless someone contacted Google. Emilie Laffray Emilie, the deadline for our application to GSoC was the 12th, which Graham filled out and submitted. We did not need to have a full list of projects and mentors at that time. Once we (OpenStreetMap) get accepted into GSoC for 2010 and get allotted a number of funded students, then we have to decide how to split that allotment up between the various project proposals from students. In short, no deadlines were missed, it's just that Google's timeline and forms are confusing. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-transit] NaPTAN - Time for the rest?
Thomas Wood wrote: On 13 March 2010 17:25, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: ... NaPTAN can add value but that is best realised by someone local to the import managing it. I would argue that NaPTAN does add value in undermapped parts of the country - the vast majority of NaPTAN stops are correct. I agree that NaPTAN can and does add value and I expect that the data will get imported. Peter's suggestion of using more up-to-date data for the areas that have not yet been imported makes good sense. In response to your request for a discussion, I wanted to point out that there are errors in the data and these errors are usually only corrected by someone checking the stops on the ground. Most of the errors I have found in the 2100 stops I've checked are not related to position, but about 6% of all these stops were missing on the ground. Cheers, Chris ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Getting 403-Forbidden from my app that WAS on sale onthe appstore
Form the description of True Maps at http://www.appstorehq.com/true-offline-mapslite-iphone-144457/app - Search and Edit POI. True maps will allow you to search for specific places of interest nearby and to even add your owns totally offline. Since true maps will interact directly with openstreetmap your POI will also be available to everyone! This seems like a bit of a dilemma. On the one hand we want a mass market POI editing tool to capture all those long tail contributors, on the other hand that's never going to happen if we block any prospective app as soon as it starts to become popular. 80n On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 16/03/10 09:35, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:# Then is some further discussion on the same for the API also required and a policy, perhaps similar to the format of tiles, established? There are data limits for an individual call still so presumably it's just an extension of that in words rather than an API limit? It's less about volume and more about what you're doing with the data where the map api is concerned. I mean obviously the intent is to limit the volume of calls, but we've tended to do that by saying that the point is that it should be used as part of an editing cycle where you are fetching data with the intention of changing it rather than just in order to use it in a read only way. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Getting 403-Forbidden from my app that WAS on sale onthe appstore
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:56 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Form the description of True Maps at http://www.appstorehq.com/true-offline-mapslite-iphone-144457/app - Search and Edit POI. True maps will allow you to search for specific places of interest nearby and to even add your owns totally offline. Since true maps will interact directly with openstreetmap your POI will also be available to everyone! This seems like a bit of a dilemma. On the one hand we want a mass market POI editing tool to capture all those long tail contributors, on the other hand that's never going to happen if we block any prospective app as soon as it starts to become popular. Sounds like the database maintainers would prefer that the App use tiles for viewing the map and only log in to get data via the API if the user wants to edit the map, like the way the Slippy Map works. -Jeff On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 16/03/10 09:35, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:# Then is some further discussion on the same for the API also required and a policy, perhaps similar to the format of tiles, established? There are data limits for an individual call still so presumably it's just an extension of that in words rather than an API limit? It's less about volume and more about what you're doing with the data where the map api is concerned. I mean obviously the intent is to limit the volume of calls, but we've tended to do that by saying that the point is that it should be used as part of an editing cycle where you are fetching data with the intention of changing it rather than just in order to use it in a read only way. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Jeff Spirko spi...@gmail.com spi...@lehigh.edu WD3V |= The study of non-linear physics is like the study of non-elephant biology. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] get latitude / longitude of points?
On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 08:19 +0100, Torsten Mohr wrote: Hello, thanks a lot for your hint. http://postgis.refractions.net/documentation/manual-svn/ST_X.html http://postgis.refractions.net/documentation/manual-svn/ST_Y.html select st_X(st_transform(way,4326)), st_Y(st_transform(way,4326)) from planet_osm_point where ... I tried it like this: select st_X(st_transform(way,4326)), st_Y(st_transform(way,4326)) from planet_osm_point where name='Berlin' and place='city'; But this lead to this error: FEHLER: transform: couldn't project point (1.48918e+06 6.894e+06 0): failed to load NAD27-83 correction file (-38) TIP: PostGIS was unable to transform the point because either no grid shift files were found, or the point does not lie within the range for which the grid shift is defined. Refer to the ST_Transform() section of the PostGIS manual for details on how to configure PostGIS to alter this behaviour. So i looked it up in the documentation for st_Transform(). I got: select PostGIS_Full_Version(); postgis_full_version POSTGIS=1.4.1 GEOS=3.2.0-CAPI-1.6.0 PROJ=Rel. 4.7.1, 23 September 2009 USE_STATS (1 Zeile) So to my understanding, my version of Proj is fine, right? I then tried to google for that error and got some discussion threads. But none of them seemed to have a really usable solution. Is there any hint you could give me to solve this problem? Sometimes the nad files are not included in the base proj installation. - On Fedora you need to install the proj-nad package. - On Ubuntu you may need to install proj-data. Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Getting 403-Forbidden from my app that WAS on sale onthe appstore
Sorry I included only Jeff on this reply, forwarding to the rest... On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:49 PM, IgnacioZ zigna...@gmail.com wrote: But with that model you can't have offline maps edition which I think is particularly useful for mobiles. There are several places you don't have internet available: if you like hiking, or maybe underwater, or you are doing some trekking on an interesting new place, or you just don't want to be online because it drains a lot of battery, or because you are travelling and don't want to pay for the costs of being connected. And for offline editing it is important to have the previous data offline also, not only the tiles. Ignacio. On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Jeff Spirko spi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:56 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Form the description of True Maps at http://www.appstorehq.com/true-offline-mapslite-iphone-144457/app - Search and Edit POI. True maps will allow you to search for specific places of interest nearby and to even add your owns totally offline. Since true maps will interact directly with openstreetmap your POI will also be available to everyone! This seems like a bit of a dilemma. On the one hand we want a mass market POI editing tool to capture all those long tail contributors, on the other hand that's never going to happen if we block any prospective app as soon as it starts to become popular. Sounds like the database maintainers would prefer that the App use tiles for viewing the map and only log in to get data via the API if the user wants to edit the map, like the way the Slippy Map works. -Jeff On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 16/03/10 09:35, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:# Then is some further discussion on the same for the API also required and a policy, perhaps similar to the format of tiles, established? There are data limits for an individual call still so presumably it's just an extension of that in words rather than an API limit? It's less about volume and more about what you're doing with the data where the map api is concerned. I mean obviously the intent is to limit the volume of calls, but we've tended to do that by saying that the point is that it should be used as part of an editing cycle where you are fetching data with the intention of changing it rather than just in order to use it in a read only way. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Jeff Spirko spi...@gmail.com spi...@lehigh.edu WD3V |= The study of non-linear physics is like the study of non-elephant biology. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap ftp server
Dear Richard (Degelder), This is good news. Thank you for this. I've forwarded this to Frank as well. A question for you and Benjamin. Would it be possible to run a server similar to the Corine import server, used by the French community at Think|Haus? This would render the GeoBase data in a way that it can be displayed on top of existing OSM. This allows a casual user to view and evaluate the GeoBase data and mark it for inclusion or exclusion from OSM. Best regards, Richard (Weait) On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Richard Degelder rtdegel...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry about the delays since the last comments but we ran into some issues. At this time however we are about to make an ftp server available for the processed GeoBase files that we are using for the import into OSM. The server will be hosted by Think|Haus, the Hamilton ON Hacker Space. The idea is that there will be upload privileges granted to those that are processing the GeoBase for OSM files and wanting to store the results on a server for anyone to access. The files will be accessible to anyone wanting to downloading them, there are no restictions on accessing them. Those wanting to comment on the idea and wanting to participate should contact Benjamin Tompkins at benjamin at thinkhaus.org Thank you. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] get latitude / longitude of points?
Hello, first, thank you all for your hints. You might also consider importing with osm2pqsql with the -l flag (use lat/lon) that way your database will be in a EPSG:4326 official projection (which 900913 is not) and you will have an easier life if you want to convert between projections. I am also a *fan* of using wgs84 in my postgis database when it comes to OSM data under the simple rule of fist that it is in my opinion best to keep data in the projection it was created with and for GPS this is always wgs84. For my national dutch data derived from official government bodies; my rule is store it in EPSG:28992 (the official dutch projection) because that is the coordinate-system they survey in. I think this is the next thing i'll try. I just downloaded the latest version of planet_osm and i'll install in WGS84 (if that does not break any other programs / scripts). I mainly use mapnik. It also looks natural to me to install in WGS84 and if that also solves some problems, that's great. Best regards, Torsten. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Getting 403-Forbidden from my app that WAS on sale onthe appstore
Ignacio, having watched the admins at work for many years, I can summarize the situation as follows : 1. They are doing it in their spare time. They are supportive of new apps, but they don't always have time to write new code, test it and roll it out. 2. Over the years the API has improved significantly due to new hardware and software, but at the same time the number of users has grown substantially. 3. A lot of people get angry very quickly if they can edit. 4. There are two good alternatives to scraping the API: (a) Replicate (part of) the planet, like Cloudmade, Geofabriek and the rendering servers are doing or (b) download the weekly planet and split or extract it. Weekly extracts are perfectly reaonable for offline apps. My guess is that more than half the objects in the database is more than 1 year old, so adding another week will not make a significant difference (except for the rare case of crisis mapping). If an offline editor encounters a conflict when syncing, then it should notify the user and let him fix it manually with Potlatch. Regards, Nic On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:58 PM, IgnacioZ zigna...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry I included only Jeff on this reply, forwarding to the rest... On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:49 PM, IgnacioZ zigna...@gmail.com wrote: But with that model you can't have offline maps edition which I think is particularly useful for mobiles. There are several places you don't have internet available: if you like hiking, or maybe underwater, or you are doing some trekking on an interesting new place, or you just don't want to be online because it drains a lot of battery, or because you are travelling and don't want to pay for the costs of being connected. And for offline editing it is important to have the previous data offline also, not only the tiles. Ignacio. On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Jeff Spirko spi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:56 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Form the description of True Maps at http://www.appstorehq.com/true-offline-mapslite-iphone-144457/app - Search and Edit POI. True maps will allow you to search for specific places of interest nearby and to even add your owns totally offline. Since true maps will interact directly with openstreetmap your POI will also be available to everyone! This seems like a bit of a dilemma. On the one hand we want a mass market POI editing tool to capture all those long tail contributors, on the other hand that's never going to happen if we block any prospective app as soon as it starts to become popular. Sounds like the database maintainers would prefer that the App use tiles for viewing the map and only log in to get data via the API if the user wants to edit the map, like the way the Slippy Map works. -Jeff On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 16/03/10 09:35, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:# Then is some further discussion on the same for the API also required and a policy, perhaps similar to the format of tiles, established? There are data limits for an individual call still so presumably it's just an extension of that in words rather than an API limit? It's less about volume and more about what you're doing with the data where the map api is concerned. I mean obviously the intent is to limit the volume of calls, but we've tended to do that by saying that the point is that it should be used as part of an editing cycle where you are fetching data with the intention of changing it rather than just in order to use it in a read only way. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Jeff Spirko spi...@gmail.com spi...@lehigh.edu WD3V |= The study of non-linear physics is like the study of non-elephant biology. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap ftp server
Great! That sounds like an excellent 3rd option. This would add onto what we aready have will have: -the high detailed Toporama WMS layer the low detailed larger area wms layer (to be used for reference as well as tracing) -the .osm files that are organized by NTS tile size from canvec (that will include all of the Toporama features (including road data) - to be used to 'copy in' and merge attach to existing data -and the geobase data of province sized data (which includes roads) also includes features that we have not yet dealt with. It will be great to see the geobase data available as a WFS system to mirror the work done by the coraine import. Thanks for sharing this! (As an aside) What would also be great is if the geobase data could be hosted to serve WMS tile.maps, so then it adds 1 more option for the mappers to work with. James Dupont can explain how the tileservers work (also wms.openstreetmap.de now exists, but i dont know if it could handle the volume of the geobase collection.) (As another aside) Does the Toporama wms layer include ALL of the map features that are available from NRCan? Sorry to cross-post but its all related. Cheers, Sam On 3/16/10, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Dear Richard (Degelder), This is good news. Thank you for this. I've forwarded this to Frank as well. A question for you and Benjamin. Would it be possible to run a server similar to the Corine import server, used by the French community at Think|Haus? This would render the GeoBase data in a way that it can be displayed on top of existing OSM. This allows a casual user to view and evaluate the GeoBase data and mark it for inclusion or exclusion from OSM. Best regards, Richard (Weait) On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Richard Degelder rtdegel...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry about the delays since the last comments but we ran into some issues. At this time however we are about to make an ftp server available for the processed GeoBase files that we are using for the import into OSM. The server will be hosted by Think|Haus, the Hamilton ON Hacker Space. The idea is that there will be upload privileges granted to those that are processing the GeoBase for OSM files and wanting to store the results on a server for anyone to access. The files will be accessible to anyone wanting to downloading them, there are no restictions on accessing them. Those wanting to comment on the idea and wanting to participate should contact Benjamin Tompkins at benjamin at thinkhaus.org Thank you. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] GeoEye Imagery Tiles for Chile
Second try. I need to find someone with the technical expertise necessary to generate tiles that would be used as a Potlatch editor background. The URLs for the WMS (probable source for the tiles?) can be found at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2010_Chile_earthquake/Imagery_and_data_sources#GeoEye_and_DigitalGlobe Thanks a lot to anyone capable of achieving this elusive goal. Regards, Julio Costa OpenStreetMap Chile http://www.openstreetmap.cl/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM-discussions/votings dispersed -bundle under one official umbrella
There is an ongoing discussion in order to integrate more OSM-applications to the main site. But the same problem applies to the discussions, votings and solutions. Not only the OSM software, but also the discussions and votings about OSM are dispersed to many locations (i.e. forums, mailing lists, OSM-Wiki, websites etc.). Every group does its own thing, discusses the same subject and votes or agrees to different solutions. One needs countless accounts and countless passwords in order to participate. This mailing list here and the following location is one of the examples: http://osm.uservoice.com/forums/41047-general?lang=en It would be wise, to bundle the discussions to one location. Because this cannot be done for all languages, there should be !!ONE!! official location, where all the language discussions and votings are under !!ONE!! official umbrella. A good example is Wikipedia, where all the discussions, votings and solutions are done and published at Wikipedia itsself. A appropriate solution should be found for OSM as well. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-discussions/votings dispersed -bundle under one official umbrella
Tirkon tirko...@yahoo.de wrote: There is an ongoing discussion in order to integrate more OSM-applications to the main site. But the same problem applies to the discussions, votings and solutions. Not only the OSM software, but also the discussions and votings about OSM are dispersed to many locations (i.e. forums, mailing lists, OSM-Wiki, websites I forgot the user account discussions: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tirkon etc.). Every group does its own thing, discusses the same subject and votes or agrees to different solutions. One needs countless accounts and countless passwords in order to participate. This mailing list here and the following location is one of the examples: http://osm.uservoice.com/forums/41047-general?lang=en It would be wise, to bundle the discussions to one location. Because this cannot be done for all languages, there should be !!ONE!! official location, where all the language discussions and votings are under !!ONE!! official umbrella. A good example is Wikipedia, where all the discussions, votings and solutions are done and published at Wikipedia itsself. A appropriate solution should be found for OSM as well. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] GeoEye Imagery Tiles for Chile
The JRC has also set up a WMS-C ... Cristiano, can this be queried via spherical mercator tiling scheme? (for example /zoom/x/y.jpg)? == Mikel Maron == +254(0)724899738 @mikel s:mikelmaron http://mapkibera.org/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti From: Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl To: OSM-talk talk@openstreetmap.org; talk-cl talk...@openstreetmap.org; h...@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 6:39:50 AM Subject: [HOT] GeoEye Imagery Tiles for Chile Second try. I need to find someone with the technical expertise necessary to generate tiles that would be used as a Potlatch editor background. The URLs for the WMS (probable source for the tiles?) can be found at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2010_Chile_earthquake/Imagery_and_data_sources#GeoEye_and_DigitalGlobe Thanks a lot to anyone capable of achieving this elusive goal. Regards, Julio Costa OpenStreetMap Chile http://www.openstreetmap.cl/___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk-nl] Mapping Party: Zondag 28 maart, Turnhout België
Hoi, Via deze weg wil ik de nederlandse OpenStreetMap gemeenschap uitnodigen om af te zakken over de zuidelijke landsgrens om op Zondag 28 maart deel te nemen aan de dan geplande Mapping Party in Turnhout. Meer info vind je hier http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Activities#Upcoming_activities Op die pagina vind je ook een doodle link, daar kan je je zelf bijzetten als zeker gaat komen. Het is niet verplicht, het is maar dat we een idee hebben hoeveel volk we moeten verwachten. Groeten, Ivom ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[talk-au] More Nearmap imagery
The northern Victorian coverage has been extended west to Albury in NSW and it looks like there is an additional section to the south that hasn't finished processing yet. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Incorrectly expanding abbreviations
For names such as this (towns and businesses) I agree that expanding/contracting the name may be incorrect. - Ben. On 16 March 2010 11:34, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The only examples Ben gave were churches and a train station. The churches would be a fairly grey area so I'm not going to touch that but that's only half the picture, since the wiki page also covers things like towns and businesses where the official name contains the contracted version of saint and really is incorrect to expand it. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[Talk-br] Relatório Semanal: 16/03/2010
*Status dos Projetos OSM-br* * B250C - Brasil 250 Cidades* Página do Projeto: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Brazil/Brasil_250_Cidades ***2a. fase* Conectividade em *62,31%* *(+1,07%)* Grid Atualizado (html): http://mapaslivres.org/cidades-distancias.html (13 Mb) Grid Atualizado (zip): http://mapaslivres.org/cidades-distancias.ziphttp://mapaslivres.org/cidades-distancias.html(2 Mb) *JOSM - Tradução ao português* Página do Projeto: https://translations.launchpad.net/josm/trunk/+pots/josm Indicador: Percentual de strings traduzidas em *57.97% (-0,22%)* *Site osm.org - Tradução ao português * Página do Projeto: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:OpenStreetMap/stats/trunk/site Indicador: String Traduzidas em *100%* *Potlach* - *Tradução ao português* Página do Projeto: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:OpenStreetMap/stats/trunk/potlatch Indicador: String Traduzidas em *100%* ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] Programa de Emprestimo de GPS
Pessoal, Como já tinha adiantado uns meses antes, foi liberado uma verba adicional para os países que tiveram representantes ano passado no Scolarship Program. Discutindo com o Arlindo achamos melhor direcionar essa verba pra iniciar um programa de empréstimo de aparelhos GPS. As diretrizes e criterios do programa estão listadas em http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Programa_GPS-Brazil Vamos divulgar no blog e na home do wiki nos proximos dias, mas se alguem já quiser se candidatar (ou estimular conhecidos a se candidatar) fique a vontade. []s ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Spam
Am Montag 15 März 2010 19:30:43 schrieb Andreas Labres: On 15.03.10 16:37, Bernd Wurst wrote: Mit welchem Suchbegriff? captcha geknackt** bei Heise? http://www.heise.de/suche/?q=%22captcha+geknackt*%22*search_submit=Sucherm=search Keine Trefer. Aber auch die Treffer beim Weglassen der Sonderzeichen handeln davon, dass es *möglich* ist bzw. dass es *einer* geschafft hat, einzelne Captchas zu knacken. Und das bei Prestige-Seiten, die zu knacke ich als Spammer auch sehr viel Energie rein stecken würde. Ich kenne selbst keine Website, die Spamprobleme hat obwohl es ein Captcha gibt. Na dann kann ich Dir schon mal mein Honeypot-Forum nennen... ich schick Dir gern ein Log, was sich da so tut... ;) Weißt du, ich finde diesen Thread grade inhaltlich überhaupt nicht mehr interessant, da es nichts neues gibt. Nur ist es leider so, dass du seit 3-4 Mails großspurig behauptest, du könntest irgendwie massenweise Beweise für deine abwegigen Theorien liefern. Du lieferst aber keinen einzigen. Du tust so als würdest du das nicht machen weil es so viele Beweise gibt. Ich habe weiterhin (wie schon zu Beginn) den Eindruck, dass es sich nur um Einzelfälle handelt. Diesen Eindruck kannst du bisher nicht stören. Ich will auch keine Logfiles (die ich mir mit den genannten Captcha-Crack- Programmen selbst bauen kann) sondern URLs von Seiten, die Spam-Kommentare oder Spam-Profile haben obwohl bei der Registrierung ein Captcha benutzt wird. Es gibt viele Seiten, die nach einem spontanen Login ein öffentliches Profil erlauben und von Spammern gerne benutzt werden. Keine von den mir bekannten (mit dem Problem) hat ein Captcha. Wenn ein Captcha selten was nützt, dann muss es auch massenhaft solche Seiten geben, die Captcha-geschützt sind und das Problem dennoch haben. Sonst bleibe ich bei meiner Theorie: Captchas sind kein 100%-Schutz aber sie helfen dennoch enorm viel, weil nur wenige Spammer den Aufwand treiben, diese zu knacken. Das war die letzte Mail von mir zu dem Thema. Gruß, Bernd -- Anonyme Poster kann man nach Belieben beleidigen, man beleidigt ja niemand konkretes. - Sven Paulus, de.admin.net-abuse.news, 31.8.1999 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] All in One bald effizienter und mit detaillierterer Abdeckung
Hi, Am 16.03.2010 03:14, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: könnte es evtl. auch sein, dass von diesen 2134 Kacheln auf dem Gerät nur 2025 ankommen, und Du es bisher nur noch nicht bemerkt hast, weil diese 109 Kacheln irgendwo liegen, wo es nicht auffällt? Nö, da hätte mkgmap einen Error gebracht, beim Zusammenstellen der Kacheln in eine gmapsupp.img. Mapsource oder sendmap hätten das wahrscheinlich still und leise einfach weggelassen -- Viele Gruesse Computerteddy ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Straßenbahnen, Straßen, Busse
Am 15.03.2010 23:06 schrieb Dimitri Junker o...@dimitri-junker.de: Hallo, Ich mag mich irren, aber ich glaube, das entsprechende Schild verbietet in der Regel keinen Fußv... Du willst ernsthaft auf einer Busspur zu Fuß gehen? Also wenn mir irgendwann mal ein OSM-Navi sowas erzählt beschwere ich mich aber. Dimitri ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http... ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Straßenbahnen, Straßen, Busse
Es war vo einer Straße die Rede, die nur von Bussen befahren werden darf. Eine Busspur ist i.d.R. ein Fahrstreifen für Busse auf einer normalen Straße. (Hier in Köln gibts das aber auch baulich getrennt, zwischen Neumarkt und Rudolfplatz). Ein Beispiel wäre der ZOB in Bonn - auf dessen Asphaltflächen ist mindestens motorisierter Verkehr außer Bussen ausgesperrt, Fußgänger müssen sie aber benutzen, um zu den Bussteigen zu kommen... Nach deinem tagging dürften sie das nicht. Gruß, Martin Am 15.03.2010 23:06 schrieb Dimitri Junker o...@dimitri-junker.de: Hallo, Ich mag mich irren, aber ich glaube, das entsprechende Schild verbietet in der Regel keinen Fußv... Du willst ernsthaft auf einer Busspur zu Fuß gehen? Also wenn mir irgendwann mal ein OSM-Navi sowas erzählt beschwere ich mich aber. Dimitri ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http... ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bericht zur QS-Session auf der FOSSGIS
Hi, Jochen Topf schrieb: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 09:07:20PM +0100, Jan Tappenbeck wrote: wo finde ich denn den erwähnten turn-restriction analyzer Von wem erwähnt? Ich weiss nichts von einem turn-restriction analyzer. Wenn Du den OSMI-View zum Routing meinst, der ist unter http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=routing , der macht aber nichts mit turn-restrictions. den OSM Restriction Analyser findest du unter: http://osm.virtuelle-loipe.de/restrictions/ sehr nette Seite, wie ich finde! gruesse pascal ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Ist das Richtig - Cycleway auf Track
Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: Hi ! ich habe bisher immer Radwege als eigene Wege erstellt aber nun habe ich folgendes gefunden: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/10488389 Da hat einer einen seperaten Radweg gezeichnet http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/48850115 und o.g. Bundesstraße auch mit einem Track versehen obwohl nur ein Weg da ist. Ist doch falsch ?? Im Prinzip ja ;-) Die Bundestraße hat im September den cycleway=track bekommen, der separate Radweg kam erst im Januar hinzu. Der user (tonkow1993) hätte natürlich bei der Gelegenheit den tag von der Bundesstraße wegnehmen können. Es gibt natürlich auch Sonderfälle, wo der Radweg in einer Fahrtrichtung baulich abgesetzt ist, in Gegenrichtung aber nicht. Da hilft nur ein Ortstermin. Gruß, ajoessen ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bericht zur QS-Session auf der FOSSGIS
Hi, Jan Tappenbeck wrote: wo finde ich denn den erwähnten turn-restriction analyzer http://osm.virtuelle-loipe.de/restrictions/ Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bericht zur QS-Session auf der FOSSGIS
Hallo, Pascal Neis wrote: den OSM Restriction Analyser findest du unter: http://osm.virtuelle-loipe.de/restrictions/ Hmpf, ich muss mir angewoehnen, erst alle Mails durchzulesen und dann zu antworten ;-) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] ORS down?
Am Donnerstag 11 März 2010 11:34:26 schrieb Pascal Neis: sobald ich die neuen URLs kenne werde ich sie dir schicken. ORS scheint ja wieder da zu sein, die URL habe ich gerade gefunden. Gibt es denn jetzt schon eine bessere Lösung ohne wieder alles ändern zu müssen (HTML-Quelltext) wenn sich bei openrouteservice was ändert (Serverumzug)? MfG, Chris.. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bot Vorschlag: St. NAME -- Sankt NAME
Am 15. März 2010 22:16 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: Wenn da aber schon die A.-v.-D.-Hülshoff steht wird niemand mehr die langfassung draus machen ... Wieso? Was ist denn das Problem an der Automobilclub-von-Deutschland-Hülshoff-Straße? (außer daß der Name etwas seltsam klingt) ;-) Gruß, Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Onkel Didi baut Autobahnen
On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, Bernd Wurst wrote: ... Warum gibt es keinen RSS-Feed, der über Änderungen in einem speziellen Gebiet berichtet? [1] Und warum ist der osm history viewer so schwer zu finden? Wieviel einfacher als einen eigenen Tag auf der Hauptseite willst du es denn haben? Oder ist das nicht was du mit dem osm history viewer meinst? Der hat im uebrigen auch einen RSS-Feed, mit dem man beliebige (rechteckige) Gebiete ueberwachen kann. Allerdings mit dem ueblichen big changesets problem. Das wird die OpenStreetMap Watch List (OWL) [1] hoffentlich bald loesen, wenn die Entwicklung davon abgeschlossen ist. Ansonsten kann man moeglicherweise auch noch LiveEditMapViewerJ [2] dafuer verwenden. Es ist zwar kein RSS feed, und beherscht auch nur Nodes. Aber damit kann man in Echtzeit (durch die minutely diffs also mit ca. einer minute Rueckstand) sehen wo welche nodes gerade editiert werden und sich die details dazu ansehen. Das sind meiner Meinung nach die Dinge, die solcherlei Probleme zwar nicht verhindern aber reduzieren und vor allem bemerkbar machen können. Bei Wikipedia lesen tausende Leute den IRC-Feed der aktuellsten Änderungen und fast jede Änderung wird von irgendjemandem bemerkt und angeschaut. Das war schon so bevor es die gesichteten Versionen gab und hat auch da schon funktioniert. Also mit den bereits genannten tools von ito und dem twitter bot, gibt es eigentlich auch in OSM schon einige Moeglichkeiten. Werden die denn verwendet? Was braeuchte man damit die noch besser funktionieren? [1]: Ja, es gibt die Yet-another-Stupid-Login-Lösung von ITO. Deren Feed lenkt mich aber nicht auf eine Liste der geänderten Objekte sondern auf eine Login- Seite, deren Login-Daten ich spätestens fünf Minuten nach Profilerstellung vergessen hatte. Das ist ein Core-Feature, das dringend auf OSM-Seite gemacht werden müsste. Ich kopiere mir bisher ab und an den Username aus dem Feed-Item und schaue dessen letzte Edits an. Das ist umständlich. Gruß, Bernd Kai [1] http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/owl_viewer/ [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/LiveMapViewer ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Straßenbahnen, Straßen, Busse
Moin, Dimitri Junker schrieb: Ich mag mich irren, aber ich glaube, das entsprechende Schild verbietet in der Regel keinen Fußverkehr; Du willst ernsthaft auf einer Busspur zu Fuß gehen? Also wenn mir irgendwann mal ein OSM-Navi sowas erzählt beschwere ich mich aber. Erstens ist das grundsätzlich nur die ge-tag-te Realität ... Und zweitens kommt das Gehen-Wollen - wie meist - auf den Einzelfall an. Ich trage es dem Router nicht nach, wenn er mich beim Fußgänger-Routing über einen besser (höher) bewerteten, sichereren Fußweg leitet. Ich würde es ihm aber nachtragen, wenn er mich stattdessen *auf der gefährlicheren Straße ohne Fußweg* leitet. Der optimale Router bewertet also je nach Situation - und dafür darf man es ihm nicht von vornherein verbieten, wenn es in der Realität nunmal erlaubt ist, denn mit letzterem verbaut man dem Router von vorherein die Chance. Gruß Georg ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fahrschule
Am 10.03.2010 03:07, schrieb geo.osm: Ich schau da immer bei OSMdoc nach was es so gibt und wie oft das verwendet wird. http://osmdoc.com/de/tags Sind die Daten auf osmdoc veraltet? Auf der Page steht /Please note:/ The data is from /August 2009/ and I'm working on an update. hmm -- Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Spam
hi, gibt es neben dieser mal wieder heftigen Diskussion jemanden, der sich um das eigentliche Problem kümmert? gruss walter - Ich geh zugrunde. wer kommt mit? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Spam-tp4736693p4742795.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Onkel Didi baut Autobahnen
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 08:28:42AM +, Kai Krueger wrote: On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, Bernd Wurst wrote: Warum gibt es keinen RSS-Feed, der über Änderungen in einem speziellen Gebiet berichtet? [1] Und warum ist der osm history viewer so schwer zu finden? Wieviel einfacher als einen eigenen Tag auf der Hauptseite willst du es denn haben? Oder ist das nicht was du mit dem osm history viewer meinst? Sorry, da habe ich mich undeutlich ausgedrückt. Ich meine so was: http://osm.cdauth.de/history-viewer/ Der hat im uebrigen auch einen RSS-Feed, mit dem man beliebige (rechteckige) Gebiete ueberwachen kann. Allerdings mit dem ueblichen big changesets problem. Da hast du recht, den RSS-Feed von der normalen Changeset-Liste muss ich mir auch mal wieder anschauen. Ich hatte das mal gemacht als der ganz neu war, da war es zu langsam in der Abfrage. Probiere ich aus, danke. Das wird die OpenStreetMap Watch List (OWL) [1] hoffentlich bald loesen, wenn die Entwicklung davon abgeschlossen ist. Hey, endlich mal ein tool, das auf dem dev-Server entwickelt wird und keine .com-Adresse hat. Hoffentlich wird das dann auch integriert und für Normalbenutzer findbar. Also mit den bereits genannten tools von ito und dem twitter bot, gibt es eigentlich auch in OSM schon einige Moeglichkeiten. Werden die denn verwendet? Was braeuchte man damit die noch besser funktionieren? Ich bin jetzt ca. 3 Jahre bei OSM und lese diese Mailingliste (soweit das Menschenmöglich ist). Zum Editieren benutze ich JOSM und ich logge mich ab und an mal auf der Website ein. Dennoch ist es mir bisher nicht möglich, einen halbwegs brauchbaren Überblick über die verschiedenen Tools zu haben. Zu viele frickeln irgendwo im stillen Kämmerlein an einem Tool, der eine erwähnt es mal hier, der andere dort. Ich weiß nicht wie, aber es sollte irgendwie ein Konzept geben, wo man alle solche Dinge sammelt und vergleicht. Gruß, Bernd pgp7WC3Jkeqcw.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Spam in den Blogs
nee, das verstehst du absolut richtig. Die Spammer haben OSM entdeckt. Verfolgen kannst Du das Ganze im anderen Thread (Spam?). Da wird gerade darüber diskussiert, ob ein eventuell zu installierender Schutzmechanismus auch wirklich sicher ist. Ich glaube/hoffe aber, dass unsere Admins schon dran sind. gruss walter - Ich geh zugrunde. wer kommt mit? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Spam-in-den-Blogs-tp4742769p4742819.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Spam
gibt es neben dieser mal wieder heftigen Diskussion jemanden, der sich um das eigentliche Problem kümmert? Das Thema läuft zur Zeit auch auf der Dev-Liste. Und Tom Hughes sagte dort folgendes: I think it probably is reaching the point where we need to do something, but I'm still considering exactly what - they're aren't really any brilliant solutions unfortunately. Mostly likely we will wind up adding a moderation queue and moderating new users first few diary entries. Gruß, Lars ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Spam
danke - Ich geh zugrunde. wer kommt mit? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Spam-tp4736693p4743147.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Garmin Europa:all in one karte auf eTrex
Am 16. März 2010 04:37 schrieb Daniela Duerbeck daniela.duerb...@gmx.de: Johann H. Addicks wrote: Beim Etrex geht's, auf GarminXT... leider nicht. Boundary und OSB machen die Kartendarstellung leider bisweilen SEHR träge. Aber das ist ein Garmin-Bug, dass das nicht geht. Schade eigentlich, aber gibt ja noch andere Karten ;-) Dann bau Dir doch die Karten selber. Soo komplziert ist das nicht. Du mußt ja auch nicht mit komplizierten Layern beginnen. Mach doch einfach eine ganz einfache Karte selber. Du brauchst ja nicht alle Layer runterzuladen. Wenn du den ganzen FIXME-Kram nicht brauchst und der Boundarylayer nervt, dann lad dir eben nur das gbasemap.img.bz2 runter: http://dev.openstreetmap.de/aio/europe/gbasemap.img.bz2 Packs aus, benenn es um in gmapsupp.img, schiebs aufs Gerät und fertig. Grüße Christoph ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Straßenbahnen, Straßen, Busse
Hallo, Wenn es eine Straße ist, also ein Fußweg mit dazugehört, ist Fußverkehr natürlich zugelassen. Klar, hab ich aber noch nie gesehen Dimitri ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Straßenbahnen, Straßen, Busse
Hallo, Ein Beispiel wäre der ZOB in Bonn - auf dessen Asphaltflächen ist mindestens motorisierter Verkehr außer Bussen ausgesperrt, Fußgänger müssen sie aber benutzen, um zu den Bussteigen zu kommen... Nach deinem tagging dürften sie das nicht. muß man sie entlang gehen oder kreuzen? Brauchen wir ggf. neben foot=ye/no noch ein cross für Straßen die man an beliebigem Punkt kreuzen darf? Wahrscheinlich sieht Euer Bushof doch so aus wie unserer, also abwechselnd Busspuren und Platformen. Kreuzen darf man die Buspuren dann entweder an markierten Übergängen (crossing=...) oder überall(dafür gibt es wohl noch nichts) Dimitri ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] ORS down?
On Tuesday 16 March 2010 09:16:21 Christian Knorr wrote: Gibt es denn jetzt schon eine bessere Lösung ohne wieder alles ändern zu müssen (HTML-Quelltext) wenn sich bei openrouteservice was ändert (Serverumzug)? spricht was gegen OpenRouteService.org zu benutzen? ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Spam in den Blogs
Am 16. März 2010 11:25 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: Hi ! da hat ein kendragrimm endlos lange auflistungen mit Mist hinterlegt Bitte den Spam nicht hier in den Listen wiederholen... Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Straßenbahnen, Straßen, Busse
Am 16. März 2010 12:37 schrieb Dimitri Junker o...@dimitri-junker.de: Wenn es eine Straße ist, also ein Fußweg mit dazugehört, ist Fußverkehr natürlich zugelassen. Klar, hab ich aber noch nie gesehen das ist z.B. dann der Fall, wenn die Busspur baulich getrennt ist. http://maps.google.de/maps?hl=deie=UTF8hq=hnear=Rom,+Latium,+Italienll=41.884268,12.501004spn=0,359.986267z=17layer=ccbll=41.884189,12.500891panoid=bz6ih8yy150GJdVEmFTVqQcbp=12,80.98,,0,7.88 bzw. gibt es auch andere Fälle (hier z.B. reine Busstraße, wenn auch nicht sehr lang: http://maps.google.de/maps?hl=deie=UTF8hq=hnear=Rom,+Latium,+Italienll=41.876192,12.512076spn=0,359.986267z=17layer=ccbll=41.875876,12.510311panoid=PluiYKyE47wsR_TaFWKTSwcbp=12,342.63,,0,4.23 Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Onkel Didi baut Autobahnen
Am 16. März 2010 11:43 schrieb Bernd Wurst be...@bwurst.org: Ich weiß nicht wie, aber es sollte irgendwie ein Konzept geben, wo man alle solche Dinge sammelt und vergleicht. +1 es gab - wenn ich mich recht erinnere - vor mittelkurzem doch hier schonmal die Idee und eine erste Version einer WIkiseite, wo Links zu verschiedenen Karten gesammelt wurden. Hat jemand zufällig den Link parat? M.E. sollte es auf der Startseite oder einer 1. Unterseite mind. 5 Unterkategorien geben: - Karten, die auf OSM-Daten beruhen, ggf. unterteilt in Hobbyprojekte und kommerzielle Anbieter, sowie mit einer Spalte, welcher Bereich abgedeckt wird - Tools für OSM (history analyzer, getright, geofabrik-tools, ...), Datenkonvertierer, ... - Editoren - Renderer - Router irgendwie gibts das ja auch alles schon, aber gibt es das auch schon zentral von einer Seite verlinkt? Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] ORS down?
Ein Mensch ohne Nachnamen schrieb: spricht was gegen OpenRouteService.org zu benutzen? Dagegen sprach bislang, dass die Domain openrouteservice.org über irgendeinen (kostenlosen? sehr günstigen? überteuerten?) Domain-Forwarder gelaufen ist, der ein Problem hatte. Entweder ein Kompetenzproblem in Richtung Sicherheit oder ein gut kaschiertes Betrugs-Geschäftsmodell: Das Forwarding landete zu einem niedrigen Prozentsatz nicht bei der vom Kunden gewünschten Domain sondern bei einem Malware/Phishing-Hoster. Mit dem Erfolg, dass die Domomain (openrouteservice) auf den Blacklists von (mindestens einer) Windows-Internet-Security-Suite gelandet ist. Und solange die da nicht aus der Liste getilgt ist, dann man das Forwarding sicher reparieren/portieren etc... die Domain bleibt dann verbrannt, weil potentielle Nutzer dort nicht hinkommen werden, eben wegen der Sicherheitswarnung ihres Browsers. -jha- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Onkel Didi baut Autobahnen
Ich stelle mir gerade vor, es gäbe solch' lange Threads in den Wikipedia- Namensräumen bei jedem Vandalismus oder auch nur (wie hier - anzunehmenderweise-) bei jedem Anfänger-Editier-Unfall. Schaut's doch realistisch an: -Es gab eine Fehlbearbeitung -Der Fehler war offensichtlich -Der Fehler wurde zeitnah bemerkt -Der Fehler war problemlos revertierbar Das war doch nun wirklich Best-Case-Szenario. Worüber diskutieren wir? Dass wir gerne schlimmere Edits hätten? -jha- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Spam in den Blogs
Bitte den Spam nicht hier in den Listen wiederholen... Dein Wort in Gottes Gehörgang. Bei einer derart behüteten Community wie Openstreetmap funktioniert es offensichtlich sogar -vom Spammer vermutlich völlig unbeabsichtig- noch als virales Marketing, indem die ahnungslosen Insassen die URLs noch in mehrfach gut volltextindizierte Archive weiterpushen -jha- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] ORS down?
Am Dienstag 16 März 2010 14:20:00 schrieb Johann H. Addicks: Ein Mensch ohne Nachnamen schrieb: spricht was gegen OpenRouteService.org zu benutzen? Darauf wollte ich hinaus. Dagegen sprach bislang, dass die Domain openrouteservice.org über irgendeinen (kostenlosen? sehr günstigen? überteuerten?) Domain-Forwarder gelaufen ist, der ein Problem hatte. Evanzo. /Ein/ Problem? :( Entweder ein Kompetenzproblem in Richtung Sicherheit oder ein gut kaschiertes Betrugs-Geschäftsmodell: Das Forwarding landete zu einem niedrigen Prozentsatz nicht bei der vom Kunden gewünschten Domain sondern bei einem Malware/Phishing-Hoster. Mit dem Erfolg, dass die Domomain (openrouteservice) auf den Blacklists von (mindestens einer) Windows-Internet-Security-Suite gelandet ist. Na toll! Da sieht man mal was das für Kreise ziehen kann. Mein *kopfschüttel* hört nicht auf. Und solange die da nicht aus der Liste getilgt ist, dann man das Forwarding sicher reparieren/portieren etc... die Domain bleibt dann verbrannt, weil potentielle Nutzer dort nicht hinkommen werden, eben wegen der Sicherheitswarnung ihres Browsers. Wie ist da die Aussicht auf Erfolg? Gibt's da schon Erfahrungswerte? -jha- Danke, Chris... ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Spam in den Blogs
Am Dienstag 16 März 2010 14:58:00 schrieb Johann H. Addicks: Bei einer derart behüteten Community wie Openstreetmap funktioniert es offensichtlich sogar -vom Spammer vermutlich völlig unbeabsichtig- noch als virales Marketing, indem die ahnungslosen Insassen die URLs noch in mehrfach gut volltextindizierte Archive weiterpushen Vielleicht hat der Spammer das gesehen und so nen Lachkrampf bekommen, dass er nicht mehr weiter Spammen kann. Dann wäre es eine gute Tat gewesen. ;-) Gruß, Bernd -- Ross: Hi. Joey: Wenn dieser Kerl 'hi' sagt, möchte ich ihn am liebsten umbringen. - Friends (am. Sitcom) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Straßenbahnen, Straßen, Busse
Am 16. März 2010 12:44 schrieb Dimitri Junker o...@dimitri-junker.de: muß man sie entlang gehen oder kreuzen? Brauchen wir ggf. neben foot=ye/no noch ein cross für Straßen die man an beliebigem Punkt kreuzen darf? Wahrscheinlich sieht Euer Bushof doch so aus wie unserer, also abwechselnd Busspuren und Platformen. Kreuzen darf man die Buspuren dann entweder an markierten Übergängen (crossing=...) oder überall(dafür gibt es wohl noch nichts) Man darf sie kreuzen, entlanggehen und auch sonst alles... zu Fuß. Um vom Vorplatz des Hauptbahnhofes zu den Bussteigen zu kommen, muß man die Ein-/Ausfahrtsfläche für die Busse queren und das je nach Bussteig in einer Richtung, die eher parallel zur Fahrtrichtung ist als senkrecht dazu. Das ist aber eigentlich auch egal, da es einfach keinerlei Verbot von Fußverkehr in diesem Bereich gibt. (weder auf den Busspuren noch (logisch) auf den Bussteigen) Daher hielte ich es auch für flasch, hier ein generelles no zu setzen und nur Busse auszuklammern... hier die Situation: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=degeocode=q=bonnie=UTF8hq=hnear=Bonn,+Nordrhein-Westfalen,+Deutschlandll=50.731934,7.0994spn=0.00129,0.003484t=kz=19 Gruß, Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] ORS down?
On Tuesday 16 March 2010 15:12:16 Christian Knorr wrote: Dagegen sprach bislang, dass die Domain openrouteservice.org über irgendeinen (kostenlosen? sehr günstigen? überteuerten?) Domain-Forwarder gelaufen ist, der ein Problem hatte. Evanzo. /Ein/ Problem? :( soweit ich das sehe geht es immernoch ueber Evanzo. Ist das Problem beim Domaininhaber bekannt? Ist naemlich irgendwie schade das der ORS nur umstaendlich genutzt werden kann weil 1,20 im Jahr gespart werden konnten. gruss Fabian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] ORS down?
Am Dienstag 16 März 2010 18:14:45 schrieb Fabian: On Tuesday 16 March 2010 15:12:16 Christian Knorr wrote: Dagegen sprach bislang, dass die Domain openrouteservice.org über irgendeinen (kostenlosen? sehr günstigen? überteuerten?) Domain-Forwarder gelaufen ist, der ein Problem hatte. Evanzo. /Ein/ Problem? :( soweit ich das sehe geht es immernoch ueber Evanzo. Ist das Problem beim Domaininhaber bekannt? Da sind noch ganz andere Probleme bekannt, aber das interessiert die nicht. Bzw. schon, sie drohten mir mit Verstoß gegen AGB (Anwalt vielleicht auch, kann mich nicht mehr erinnern) beim Versuch denen die Sicherheitslücke zu erklären. Ist naemlich irgendwie schade das der ORS nur umstaendlich genutzt werden kann weil 1,20 im Jahr gespart werden konnten. Ich bin ja auch auf evanzo reingefallen, weil er so günstig war. Aber ist auch derbe langsam. Zumindest bei mir. gruss Fabian Chris.. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Onkel Didi baut Autobahnen
Am 16. März 2010 14:19 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: es gab - wenn ich mich recht erinnere - vor mittelkurzem doch hier schonmal die Idee und eine erste Version einer WIkiseite, wo Links zu verschiedenen Karten gesammelt wurden. Hat jemand zufällig den Link parat? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/List_of_OSM_based_Services Cheers Colin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Wanderwege
Liebe OSMer, der Deutsche Wanderverband ist der Dachverband der regionalen Wandervereine, die in Deutschland das Wanderwegenetz pflegen. Fachverantwortliche für die Pflege vor Ort sind die Wegewarte. Im November ist die jährliche zweitägige Tagung der 40 Hauptwegewarte. Der AK digitales Wandern ist der think tank des Wandervereins und bereitet diese Tagung vor. Ein Thema wird sein: digitale WW-Erfassung. Mit der digitalen WW-Erfassung sollen die örtlichen Wegewarte und Vereine die Wanderwege über Tracks aktuell erfassen. Dargestellt wird das Ganze a) über die TK-50, b) über OSM. Das System ist im Aufbau und soll im November veröffentlicht werden. Der Geschätsführer des Wandervereins und der Fachwart für Wegearbeit laden uns zur Sitzung des AK digitales Wandern ein. Wir sollen dort über OSM informieren (ca 1 h), Fragen beantworten, und vielleicht gemeinsam über Kooperationen nachdenken. Termin: Do. 15. April in Köln (nachmittags). Bei Interesse bitte direkt bei mir melden. Disku gerne hier. Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wanderwege
Markus schrieb: Der Geschätsführer des Wandervereins und der Fachwart für Wegearbeit laden uns zur Sitzung des AK digitales Wandern ein. Wir sollen dort über OSM informieren (ca 1 h), Fragen beantworten, und vielleicht gemeinsam über Kooperationen nachdenken. Termin: Do. 15. April in Köln (nachmittags). Teilnehmen kann ich da leider nicht aber ich finde das ganze echt toll. Hatte schonmal Wegewarte des DAV angeschrieben aber nie eine Antwort bekommen. Dass die (ja, ich weiß: DAV != Deutscher Wanderverband) jetzt von sich aus die Initiative ergreifen, das find ich wirklich super. Bin sehr gespannt, was dabei herauskommt! Grß, olvagor ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Wie taggen? Wegweiser als Gedenkstein
Hallo, ich habe da einen Wegweiser (besser Richtungsweiser) für Greifenberg, Pommern (Polnisch Gryfice), der als Gedenkstein dient. Im Sinne von verlorene Ostgebiete und gleichzeitig heutiger Partnerstadt. Ich denke, der Gedenkcharakter überwiegt hier. Also taggen als Gedenkstein, oder wie seht ihr das? Grüße René ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Wie taggen? Parkplatz mit Parkscheibe
Hallo zusammen, wie war das noch mit Parkplätzen und Parkscheiben? maxstay=x Stunden ist klar. Wie gibt man am besten die Zeit an, während der man die Parkscheibe benutzen muss? Mo-Fr 08:00-18:00 opening hours passt ja nicht, weil man den Parkplatz 24/7 benutzen kann. Aus dem selben Grund passen die Angaben mit den access-Zeitangaben auch nicht wirklich. Grüße René ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Stadtteile und Städte
Hi! Wenn ich auf meinem Garmin nach Städten in der Nähe suche, bekomme ich jede Menge Treffer: Obersendling, Fürstenried, Forstenried, etc. Das sind aber keine Städte, sondern Stadtteile, oder schlimmer noch, Bezirksteile von München. Jetzt frage ich mich, wie man dem Garmin (mit mkgmap) beibringt, dass diese Städte alle eigentlich München sind. Ein privates sed-Skript, das das osm-File lokal korrigiert, wäre eine Idee. Gibt es eine bessere? Viele Grüße von Dani ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Aktualisierung der Openlinkkarte?
Hallo Welt, weiß jemand etwas näheres warum die Karte http://olm.openstreetmap.de nicht mehr aktualisiert wird? Ich bekam zum Chemnitzer Linuxtag Fragen dazu gestellt und wir haben auch diverse Dinge ergänzt. Der Datenbestand ist aber vom 8.2., früher ging das regelmäßiger? Jörg -- There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't... signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-it] Ciclovie: footway, cycleway, path; designated e official: una proposta di utilizzo
Ciao, ho recentemente percorso la ciclovia del Villoresi (MI) e mi sono nuovamente reso conto che il concetto di pista ciclabile in Italia è estremamente variegato. Considerando la convenzione italiana di riservare path ai sentieri (campagna o montagna) e il recente tag access=official, mi è venuto in mente questo schema di mappatura. 1. percorso pedonale in città: sono quei tratti ad es. di marciapiede chiaramente riservati ai pedoni, sufficientemente lontani da una strada da meritarsi una way autonoma, ma sprovvisti di cartello blu col simbolo di pedone: highway=footway. 2. percorso pedonale ufficiale: tutti quei percorsi (asfaltati o ben pavimentati) col cartello blu col simbolo di pedone: highway=footway + foot=official. In questo caso il tag foot=official trova la sua spiegazione: serve per distinguere i percorsi pedonali naturali (punto 1) da quelli esplicitamente ufficiali. 3. percorso ciclabile in sede propria: il cartello blu ha il solo simbolo della bicicletta. Propongo highway=cycleway + bicycle=official, a somiglianza del punto 3. Anche in questo caso l'aggiunta di bicycle=official non è standard secondo il wiki, ma il significato è quello e ribadire non fa male. Inoltre dà la possibilità che esistano highway=cycleway senza bicycle=official, in parallelo a 1 (non ho trovato esempi finora) 4. percorso ciclopedonale: cartello blu col doppio simbolo pedone e bici. Ignoriamo temporaneamente il fatto che ci sia la sbarra verticale che divide pedone e bici oppure no. Questo è sicuramente il caso più complesso. Stando al wiki questo è il caso per cui è nato path, ma la regola italiana limita l'uso di path ai percorsi non asfaltati (es. sentiero nei campi, in montagna). Non ero d'accordo sulla convenzione ma comunque è ragionevole. Poiché non esiste highway=cycleway_and_footway, bisogna usare footway o cycleway. Propongo highway=cycleway + bicycle=official + foot=official con queste motivazioni: a. motivazione vera ma emotiva: sono un ciclista, preferisco taggare per le bici b. motivazione razionale: in generale il CdS permette ai pedoni di andare anche dove è loro vietato, in alcuni casi. Inoltre spesso il cartello di percorso ciclabile in realtà è posto su itinerari ciclopedonali. Spesso i pedoni sanno che possono andare sui percorsi ciclabili (in Italia). In ogni caso il tag foot=official rende chiaro che i pedoni vi possono andare. Infine se c'è la sbarra di divisione tra pedone e bici si può aggiungere segregated=yes (nel caso contrario segregated=no) ma in ogni caso non fare affidamento al cartello che è spesso sbagliato. 5. percorso campestre (es. terra battuta) dove bici e pedoni sono ammessi ma manca il cartello blu: highway=path + foot=yes + bicycle=yes. Se si ritiene che, oltre a essere ammessi, il percorso sia esplicitamente realizzato per bici o pedoni (ad esempio in un parco) sostituire yes con designated. Ad esempio se il percorso è inserito all'interno di una ciclovia (ma non ha il cartello blu) può essere bicycle=designated 6. strada di servizio (ad es. alzaia) dove il traffico è permesso a poche categorie di utenti (agricoltori, forestali, proprietari di pass) ed è designato come percorso ciclabile ma manca il cartello blu: highway=service oppure highway=track (a seconda delle caratteristiche della strada) + foot=designated + bicycle=designated + access=private. Se invece è anche presente il cartello blu (penso che sia un'oscenità per il CdS, ma si trova) allora foot=official e/o bicycle=official In questo modo si dà un senso alla distinzione tra designated e official; tra footway e path; ed è abbastanza compatibile con le attuali convenzioni (ad esclusione forse del punto 4) Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ciclovie: footway, cycleway, path; designated e official: una proposta di utilizzo
On 3/16/10, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com wrote: Considerando la convenzione italiana di riservare path ai sentieri (campagna o montagna) e il recente tag access=official, mi è venuto in mente questo schema di mappatura. [snippone galattico] mi piace 4. percorso ciclopedonale: cartello blu col doppio simbolo pedone e bici. [...] Propongo highway=cycleway + bicycle=official + foot=official con queste motivazioni: a. motivazione vera ma emotiva: sono un ciclista, preferisco taggare per le bici da pedone che guarda con sospetto quelle cose dall'equilibrio precario sono comunque emotivamente d'accordo inoltre, tra i due il mezzo che ha piu` esigenze tecniche e` la bicicletta: una pista ciclopedonale deve essere fatta in modo tale che le biciclette possano viaggiarci e a quel punto i requisiti dei pedoni sono bene o male automatici, mi sembra giusto segnare la strada come cycleway 5. percorso campestre (es. terra battuta) dove bici e pedoni sono ammessi ma manca il cartello blu: highway=path + foot=yes + bicycle=yes. userei anche track nel caso in cui il percorso sia abbastanza ampio da permettere il passaggio di mezzi motorizzati (di solito in quei casi anche se c'e` un divieto c'e` sempre qualche eccezione per proprietari di campi, gestori di parchi o simili) -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' homepage: http://www.trueelena.org email: elena.valha...@gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ciclovie: footway, cycleway, path; designated e official: una proposta di utilizzo
2010/3/16 Elena of Valhalla elena.valha...@gmail.com: 4. percorso ciclopedonale: cartello blu col doppio simbolo pedone e bici. [...] Propongo highway=cycleway + bicycle=official + foot=official con queste motivazioni: a. motivazione vera ma emotiva: sono un ciclista, preferisco taggare per le bici da pedone che guarda con sospetto quelle cose dall'equilibrio precario sono comunque emotivamente d'accordo Sono contento che un pedone sia d'accordo con un ciclista ;-) 5. percorso campestre (es. terra battuta) dove bici e pedoni sono ammessi ma manca il cartello blu: highway=path + foot=yes + bicycle=yes. userei anche track nel caso in cui il percorso sia abbastanza ampio da permettere il passaggio di mezzi motorizzati (di solito in quei casi anche se c'e` un divieto c'e` sempre qualche eccezione per proprietari di campi, gestori di parchi o simili) Giustissimo. Aspetto ancora qualche commento, poi provo a mettere insieme alcune foto per illustrare i vari casi e infine pensavo di fare una paginetta wiki per documentare lo schema. Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ciclovie: footway, cycleway, path; designated e official: una proposta di utilizzo
Ciao Federico, sono d'accordo con le soluzioni che hai pensato e penso che una pagina wiki sia utilissima per chi come me non ha capito molto come usare tutti questi tag prima del tuo messaggio. grazie! Tiziano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Ciclabili in provincia di Pavia e di Lodi
Ciao, con la mappatura delle ciclovie della provincia di Milano ben avviata, e con la prossima disponibilità della CTR della provincia di Lodi, mi chiedevo se ci fossero in lista dei lodigiani o dei pavesi (oltre a Simone :-) interessati a estendere la mappatura a Sud di Milano - sempre che ci sia qualcosa da mappare... In particolare a Lodi c'è Ciclodi che so essere molto attiva, ma la mappa non registra niente: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.397lon=9.318zoom=10layers=00B0FTF Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ciclabili in provincia di Pavia e di Lodi
mi chiedevo se ci fossero in lista dei lodigiani o dei pavesi (oltre a Simone :-) interessati a estendere la mappatura a Sud di Milano - sempre che ci sia qualcosa da mappare... Io. Sperando di avere il tempo di andare a girare in bici. Ma mi pare che non ci sia piu` molto, negli ultimi mesi l'area tra milano e pavia si e` molto riempita (non per merito mio, sono fermo dall'autunno). Manca giusto qualche sterrata nel parco del ticino, ma proprio poco (cosi` a memoria, senza controllare). /alessandro ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ciclabili in provincia di Pavia e di Lodi
2010/3/16 Alessandro Rubini rubini-l...@gnudd.com: mi chiedevo se ci fossero in lista dei lodigiani o dei pavesi (oltre a Simone :-) interessati a estendere la mappatura a Sud di Milano - sempre che ci sia qualcosa da mappare... Io. Sperando di avere il tempo di andare a girare in bici. Ma mi pare che non ci sia piu` molto, negli ultimi mesi l'area tra milano e pavia si e` molto riempita (non per merito mio, sono fermo dall'autunno). C'è così poco di ciclabile in provincia di Lodi? La OpenCycleMap è quasi un deserto. Neanche nella zona della Muzza? Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ciclabili in provincia di Pavia e di Lodi
2010/3/16 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com: C'è così poco di ciclabile in provincia di Lodi? La OpenCycleMap è quasi un deserto. Neanche nella zona della Muzza? Ho appena contattato Ciclodi che mi ha indicato una mappa (cartacea) di tutte le ciclabili della provincia: http://www.ciclodi.it/sottocategoria.asp?Id=38 Sono interessati ad una versione per Garmin! (ce l'abbiamo quasi, basterebbe inserire le ciclabili di Lodi su OSM...) Ho proposto come collaborazione un possibile incontro OSM-Ciclodi per spiegare il progetto e illustrare loro come mappare le ciclabili. Vi sembra un approccio corretto? Nel caso si andasse avanti per questa strada, si vuole aggregare qualcuno come esperto mappatore OSM? Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Quality assurement - restriction analyser
Non sò se sapete che Skobbler [3], un servizio di mappe/routing a pagamento per l'iphone (e android fra un po) con oltre 100.000 utenti che lo usano (sta nella Top10 del mela appstore [1]), ha cambiato le sue mappe ed adesso usa solo Openstreetmap. Questo fatto - nonostante che si tratta di un servizio a pagamento - è interessante per OSM, perché loro hanno implementato anche un back-channel cioè i utenti possono indicare i errori della mappa rilevati durante l'uso. Si tratta di ca. 1000 errori al giorno che vengono segnalate al momento. Appena Skobbler riesce a formattare questi segnalazioni in un modo più utile ( ;-) ) saranno resi disponibile alla comunità per megliorare i dati, probabilmente in Openstreetbug. A precindere di questo vi segno una pagina per visualizare e controllare i turn restrictions [2], dato che questi non servono solo a Skobbler ma a tutti chi usano i dati. ciao, Martin [1] http://www.23hq.com/dieterdreist/photo/5445677 [2] http://osm.virtuelle-loipe.de/restrictions/?zoom=12lat=41.88375lon=12.50361layers=B00TT [3] http://beta.skobbler.it/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Cercasi mentore zona Milano-Lodi-Piacenza
Dal MTB-Forum.it: sto cercando un mentore che sia tra milano lodi piacenza e cremona che mi insegni a lavorare con Josm ( mi muovo io)per mappare un po di tracciati della zona (/vorrrei mappare una serie di percorsi sul piacentino che ho inmente e che ho visto non esserci in openmtbmap)/ su OSM e Openmtbmap.purtroppo non ho molto tempo a disposizione per smanettare e vorrei imparare velocementegrazie e ciao Arturo Riferimenti: - post: http://www.mtb-forum.it/community/forum/showpost.php?p=3730688postcount=2076 Ciao /niubii/ Nessun virus nel messaggio in uscita. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 9.0.790 / Database dei virus: 271.1.1/2750 - Data di rilascio: 03/16/10 08:33:00 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Cercasi mentore zona Milano-Lodi-Piacenza
2010/3/16 niubii f.pelu...@libero.it: sto cercando un mentore che sia tra milano lodi piacenza e cremona che mi insegni a lavorare con Josm ( mi muovo io)per mappare un po di tracciati Martedì prossimo c'è l'incontro a Lodi: potrebbe presentarsi lì! Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] aree coincidenti e nodi...
Federico Cozzi ha scritto: Quello che stai suggerendo tu sono quello che fino a poco tempo fa si chiamavano advanced multipolygon. Sono appena ripassato sulla pagina wiki dei multipolygon e ora non si chiamano più advanced: sono stati fusi con i multipolygon normali. Pensavo che non fossero ancora usabili ma invece la pagina wiki non accenna a particolari problemi. Ci sarebbe da aggiornare i confini italiani, per trasformare le relazioni da type=boundary a type=multipolygon + boundary=administrative. Qualcuno sa farlo con un bot? -- Giacomo Boschi http://gwilbor.wordpress.com/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] aree coincidenti e nodi...
2010/3/16 Giacomo Boschi gwil...@email.it: Ci sarebbe da aggiornare i confini italiani, per trasformare le relazioni da type=boundary a type=multipolygon + boundary=administrative. Qualcuno sa farlo con un bot? Cosa c'è che non va in type=boundary + boundary=administrative come sono attualmente? Come da wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Boundaries iiizio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] aree coincidenti e nodi...
iiizio iiizio ha scritto: Come da wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Boundaries Niente di problematico, ma c'è che adesso sono state rese superflue dalla nuova implementazione dei multipoligoni, vedi: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multipolygon#Tags Se interpreto bene quello che c'è scritto, i multipoligoni ora sono più potenti delle relazioni boundary, e quindi si può mappare confini più complessi. -- Giacomo Boschi http://gwilbor.wordpress.com/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] aree coincidenti e nodi...
2010/3/16 Giacomo Boschi gwil...@email.it: Se interpreto bene quello che c'è scritto, i multipoligoni ora sono più potenti delle relazioni boundary, e quindi si può mappare confini più complessi. E' vero ma l'uso attuale è ben testato e più o meno funziona tutto (se non altro riusciamo a mappare i confini italiani). L'approccio alternativo potrebbe avere qualche problema: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Relation:boundary#Use_type.3Dmultipolygon_instead Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ciclovie: footway, cycleway, path; designated e official: una proposta di utilizzo
-Original Message- From: talk-it-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-it- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Federico Cozzi Sent: martedì 16 marzo 2010 9.20 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: [Talk-it] Ciclovie: footway, cycleway, path; designated e official: una proposta di utilizzo 1. percorso pedonale in città: sono quei tratti ad es. di marciapiede chiaramente riservati ai pedoni, sufficientemente lontani da una strada da meritarsi una way autonoma, ma sprovvisti di cartello blu col simbolo di pedone: highway=footway. +1 2. percorso pedonale ufficiale: tutti quei percorsi (asfaltati o ben pavimentati) col cartello blu col simbolo di pedone: highway=footway + foot=official. In questo caso il tag foot=official trova la sua spiegazione: serve per distinguere i percorsi pedonali naturali (punto 1) da quelli esplicitamente ufficiali. Se c'è il cartello blu per me è foot=official anche se non sono asfaltati/ben pavimentati. Per lo stato della pavimentazione ci sono tag tipo surface e smoothness. 3. percorso ciclabile in sede propria: il cartello blu ha il solo simbolo della bicicletta. Propongo highway=cycleway + bicycle=official, a somiglianza del punto 3. +1 4. percorso ciclopedonale: cartello blu col doppio simbolo pedone e bici. Ignoriamo temporaneamente il fatto che ci sia la sbarra verticale che divide pedone e bici oppure no. Questo è sicuramente il caso più complesso. Stando al wiki questo è il caso per cui è nato path, ma la regola italiana limita l'uso di path ai percorsi non asfaltati (es. sentiero nei campi, in montagna). Non ero d'accordo sulla convenzione ma comunque è ragionevole. Poiché non esiste highway=cycleway_and_footway, bisogna usare footway o cycleway. Propongo highway=cycleway + bicycle=official + foot=official con queste motivazioni: a. motivazione vera ma emotiva: sono un ciclista, preferisco taggare per le bici In assenza di motivazione emotive, do pari dignità anche a: highway=path + bicycle=official + foot=official Oltre ad essere più neutra (ok, motivazione emotiva), obbliga a aggiungere esplicitamente i tag di accesso. Anche la tua proposta in realtà lo fa. Ma secondo me è più probabile che induca i mappatori più pigri a prendere la scorciatoia dei valori di default, risparmiando sui tag (es.: highway=cycleway + foot=official o highway=footway + bicycle=official). I valori di default, anche se documentati, non li amo perché per essere affidabili richiederebbero che tutte le volte che il valore non è noto andasse inserito *=unknown, e dubito che venga fatto regolarmente. Infine se c'è la sbarra di divisione tra pedone e bici si può aggiungere segregated=yes (nel caso contrario segregated=no) ma in ogni caso non fare affidamento al cartello che è spesso sbagliato. I cartelli sbagliati (spesso sembra che vengano messi a caso) creano dei veri dilemmi. 5. percorso campestre (es. terra battuta) dove bici e pedoni sono ammessi ma manca il cartello blu: highway=path + foot=yes + bicycle=yes. Se si ritiene che, oltre a essere ammessi, il percorso sia esplicitamente realizzato per bici o pedoni (ad esempio in un parco) sostituire yes con designated. Ad esempio se il percorso è inserito all'interno di una ciclovia (ma non ha il cartello blu) può essere bicycle=designated Qui non sono d'accordo sull'uso di rilassato di designated. Anche se tale uso è assai diffuso (è il motivo principale per cui si è ideato il tag official), preferirei non appoggiarlo. Se è esplicitamente realizzato per bici o pedoni, è probabile che ci sia un access=no/private/ecc che da più forza ai valori permessi (yes). 6. strada di servizio (ad es. alzaia) dove il traffico è permesso a poche categorie di utenti (agricoltori, forestali, proprietari di pass) ed è designato come percorso ciclabile ma manca il cartello blu: highway=service oppure highway=track (a seconda delle caratteristiche della strada) + foot=designated + bicycle=designated + access=private. Anche qui come al punto sopra, se manca il cartello preferisco un semplice yes all'ambiguo designated. Se invece è anche presente il cartello blu (penso che sia un'oscenità per il CdS, ma si trova) allora foot=official e/o bicycle=official +1 In questo modo si dà un senso alla distinzione tra designated e official; tra footway e path; ed è abbastanza compatibile con le attuali convenzioni (ad esclusione forse del punto 4) Si distingue designated da official, ma assegnando a designated un significato (invero già diffuso) diverso da quello che aveva in origine. Cambiare il significato ufficiale di un tag per adattarsi ad un suo utilizzo improprio non credo sia una buona idea. Preferirei puntare alla sparizione del tag designated (attualmente fonte di ambiguità), eventualmente introducendo e documentando un tag nuovo che abbia ufficialmente il significato che hai in mente. Dalla tua analisi manca (giustamente, visto che sei un ciclista) il caso dei marciapiedi che corrono paralleli alla strada. Per me è importante
Re: [Talk-it] aree coincidenti e nodi...
-Original Message- From: talk-it-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-it- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Giacomo Boschi Sent: martedì 16 marzo 2010 17.31 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: Re: [Talk-it] aree coincidenti e nodi... Se interpreto bene quello che c'è scritto, i multipoligoni ora sono più potenti delle relazioni boundary, e quindi si può mappare confini più complessi. Nel caso di confini che non siano un semplice poligono, se usassimo la relazione multipoligono, in cui membri devono avere un ruolo outer o inner, come risolviamo il conflitto con i ruoli exclave/enclave che adesso vengono assegnati ai membri della relazione type=boundary? Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] aree coincidenti e nodi...
2010/3/16 Giacomo Boschi gwil...@email.it: iiizio iiizio ha scritto: Come da wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Boundaries Niente di problematico, ma c'è che adesso sono state rese superflue dalla nuova implementazione dei multipoligoni, vedi: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multipolygon#Tags Se interpreto bene quello che c'è scritto, i multipoligoni ora sono più potenti delle relazioni boundary, e quindi si può mappare confini più complessi. Secondo me con le relazioni boundary si riescono a fare le stesse cose delle multipolygon, comprese enclave e exclave. Inoltre, visto che sta funzionando tutto, perché cambiare? iiizio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [LOLUG] vediamoci e nuova carta tecnica lodigiana
Il 12 marzo 2010 21.13, Luca Foppiano l...@foppiano.org ha scritto: On 03/11/2010 02:59 PM, giuliano wrote: mi piacerebbe esserci, ma ho un impegno: confidare in una traccia scritta dell'intervento e' troppo ? :- credo che al massimo ci saranno le slide... Luca Qualcuno si offre volontario per fare / preparare una presentazione? Immagino si possa riciclare del materiale già usato. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ciclabili in provincia di Pavia e di Lodi
2010/3/16 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com: In particolare a Lodi c'è Ciclodi che so essere molto attiva, ma la mappa non registra niente: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.397lon=9.318zoom=10layers=00B0FTF Però vedo che lì vengono visualizzate solo le highways=cycleway (strade ciclabili) e non le cycleway=* (strade con piste cliclabili, track, numerose in provincia, o lane). Anche perchè nella provincia di Lodi ne ho messe, e non poche! Ciao, Matteo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
