[Talk-transit] Using route part relations in Route relations
Hi, I mapped all the PT going through my city during the past years. There are many common parts to these itineraries and it's cumbersome to have to mend them one by one on a regular basis. It would be a lot easier if it were possible to create route part relations, for example from one stop to the next and then be able to use these relations in the actual route relations. This would enable to map deviations for longer lasting road works as well. I could of course simply do this, but then no map rendering will be displaying them correctly anymore... If we could, one day, get this through and decided, I can create a Python script to help with the transition and another one to regularly do quality control checks. These scripts would run inside JOSM. Kind regards, Polyglot ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Using route part relations in Route relations
On 7/24/2012 6:38 AM, Jo wrote: It would be a lot easier if it were possible to create route part relations, for example from one stop to the next and then be able to use these relations in the actual route relations. This would enable to map deviations for longer lasting road works as well. There already exists relation type=route,route=bus. type=route_master then includes members of this relation. Does this address your issue? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route_master ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Using route part relations in Route relations
On 24/07/12 13:19, Mike N wrote: On 7/24/2012 6:38 AM, Jo wrote: It would be a lot easier if it were possible to create route part relations, for example from one stop to the next and then be able to use these relations in the actual route relations. This would enable to map deviations for longer lasting road works as well. So you want route part which might be used by several different routes and its variants. I get your point and have to say I had thought about similar before but I think it was/will get reject cause of complexity. You will end up with at least one more level of relations with the relation hierarchy even though it would save me a lot of work especially where I have several lines with up to six or seven variants all following the same road. There already exists relation type=route,route=bus. type=route_master then includes members of this relation. Does this address your issue? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route_master This is used to get all route variants in one relation cu fly ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Using route part relations in Route relations
On 7/24/2012 10:32 AM, Jo wrote: Well, to be honest, I had hoped that everybody who is doing PT would have been screaming for this by now. It's a message on talk-fr by somebody who wants to start doing this for cycle route relations that triggered me into proposing it yet again. I have proposed it already when the PT scheme was introduced, but they didn't want to include it back then, as they feared it might be hard enough already to get it passed, without it. Of course it's an extra layer in the hierarchy, but it would be a lot more logical than the way it's done now. As far as adding complexity goes, it would actually reduce the number of relations a particular way would be part of. Somebody told me they got a bit scared after seeing this video: I see what you're referring to now. At one time I had fantasies of turning my OSM routes + a GTFS tool that works with OSM data over to the local transit authority to use with OpenTripPlanner. However when I performed the steps to modify a route by adding a loop in the center, I was quickly corrected. While they'll be able to use OpenTripPlanner, their future work will be with some general GTFS management tool, not OSM. ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[talk-ph] NSO's DATOS shapefiles
(To the moderator, please remove the earlier message pending in moderation where I mistakenly attached a file instead of sending a link. Thanks) Hi list. I've been handed some shapefiles which didn't come with projections, and was told they're from the DATOS kit of NSO. I've been trying find out its projection but couldn't seem to find the right one. The only thing I know is that it's definitely not WGS84. Would anyone from here know? Some screen grabs are available here: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B5WqkwUUAUG4SWwwZVBGQ3VtbFE. The bottom layer is from the NSO Datos, the upper layers are in WGS84. Best, Niko ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk-be] De Lijn
In Roeselare vallen naar mijn weten geen lijnen weg, maar wordt er wel op minder tijdstippen bediend. Over het kaart genereren, dat hangt er van af wat voor soort kaart je wil: + zoombaar/panbaar of niet + automatisch updatend of niet + online beschikbaar of gewoon door te sturen via mail Ik weet niet hoe het zit met jouw regio, maar voor mij is het busnetwerk zeker nog niet compleet. Dus is er geen nood om te reageren. Mappen van buslijnen is tamelijk intensief, en het duurt een eindje voor je een volledige lijn hebt. Groeten, Sander Op 22 juli 2012 21:59 schreef Marc Coevoet sintsix...@gmail.com het volgende: Hello, (it only concerns dutch people). Morgen gaat de Lijn weer een verandering doorvoeren, en op 1 september nog eens. Is er iemand die meer gegevens heeft, want bvb voor mij splitst de bus Ieper De panne op in Ieper Veurne en overstap. Wellicht is er per buslijn wel wat dat verandert, met de besparingen. Ik vraag me af hoe snel wij kunnen reageren met de gegevens? In ieder geval het recentste bestand dat ik kan afhalen is van 21/7/2012. Is er iemand die een kaart kan genereren bvb? Marc -- The Penguin has arrived - and he's not going away - ever. What's on Shortwave guide: choose an hour, go! http://shortwave dot tk 700+ Radio Stations on SW http://swstations dot tk 300+ languages on SW http://radiolanguages dot tk __**_ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-behttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-legal-talk] License question: odbl use case
Hi, with your help, I'll try to answer my own question posted (in full length) here: http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/14449/license-question-odbl-use-case I'd first like to mention that my customers, by now, are actively contributing to OSM and we absolutely want to stick to this spirit (not least, in our own interest)! However, I'd like to discuss the following legal issues/questions: 1) If I remain with the purchased geodata and CloudMade services, is it okay to simply stick to the attribution as before? I think the question can be answered with yes if proper notice/credits are provided because of the following reasons: The overlay (purchased geodata) is completely independent from the OSM data (see ODBL/Use Cases[1] 3.1 On-line map service using OSM data together with other data sources) and the CloudMade services can be assumed to fulfill all license requirements. A special case might state the calculation of the cost component for each job that is *derived* from the distance of the route. But I think this is no problem either as the transformation is trivial[2] and simply based on the (published) pricing table of the bike courier service. Is that correct? The second question is: 2) Would it be possible to extend the geocoding of addresses by openstreetmap services (eg. via Nominatim)? ... The example mainly falls into the section 4 Embedding OSM data into other products/applications (see ODBL/Use Cases[1]). The questions are: Is the derived (non substantial) data publicly used? (consequently 3.3 Using OSM mapping data together with confidential data for analysis purposes from the ODBL/Use Cases[1] would not come into account) I think yes: the distribution (in form of a web service) to the staff and customers of the courier service clearly states a public use! Is this correct? I think the more crucial point is the combination of the (copyright protected) purchased geodata and OSM data. This is clearly an improvement plugging gaps in a commercial product (see 5 Negative Use Cases from ODBL/Use Cases[1]). Of course the problem is, that I'm not allowed to publish the purchased geodata under the ODBL. The question is: Am I allowed to combine the purchased geodata with OSM data if I publish at least all modification made to the OSM-derived-data? In other words: Are the ODBL license requirements fulfilled, if I publish all changes to the data extracted from OSM for example by publishing: 1. the script that queries/filters data from OSM 2. the log (machine readable diff) of all changes to this derived data Does this fulfill the ODBL? Thank you very much in advance for your answers! Juergen. References: [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Use_Cases [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Trivial_Transformations_-_Guideline other sources: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ODBL http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ/ODbL http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Common_licence_interpretations ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL Produced Work
Hello, The currently accepted wisdom is that there exists a separate channel, apart from copyright, in which database right persists no matter what copyright license is used. This means that *if* somebody took lots and lots of CC-BY-SA-published OSM maps and reverse-engineered them into a new database, this database would then *automatically* fall under ODbL even if that was not mentioned in the CC-BY-SA product. This may sound hardly believeable to some but it is indeed not an uncommon concept. Imagine that I prepare an article about how Dyson's bagless vacuum cleaners work, and upload that to Wikipedia under CC-BY-SA. Which is totally legal. Then you download the article and you go: Ha! This is CC-BY-SA so no further restrictions can be added. I will build this vacuum cleaner and flood the world with inexpensive and eco-friendly Dupont cleaners! - Sure enough, after a while Dyson will come knocking and sue you for infringement of their patent. As you said it, _their patent_. Do you state that ODbL license is equal to a patent when it comes to protect the data (apart from being 'free and open')? I think you need a better example to break the hardly believeable spell. Sincerely, Tadeusz Knapik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL Produced Work
Hi, On 24.07.2012 18:01, Tadeusz Knapik wrote: Do you state that ODbL license is equal to a patent when it comes to protect the data (apart from being 'free and open')? No, I mentioned the patent as an example of non-copyright IP that persists even through a CC-BY-SA chain where it is not mentioned at all. I think you need a better example No; the example is good enough for me, thank you ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL Produced Work
Hello, Do you state that ODbL license is equal to a patent when it comes to protect the data (apart from being 'free and open')? No, I mentioned the patent as an example of non-copyright IP that persists even through a CC-BY-SA chain where it is not mentioned at all. So, in my understanding you have just explained that an imaginery screwdriver can be used to hammer a nail, 'cause nails can be hammered, and giving a hammer as an example. Please do not feel offended, I just hoped for a good explanation of ODbL's 'viralness', escpecially when taking into consideration Produced Work chain, and tiles' CC-By-SA license with separate channel with any other rights inside. I understand patents work that way (ie. you can't recreate something), but making it into a license doesn't seem clear to me, and I don't think I've seen a lawyer stating somethink like this. It would be great to have it explained. Sincerely, Tadeusz Knapik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL Produced Work
On 07/24/2012 08:19 PM, Tadeusz Knapik wrote: Hello, ODbL has an attribution requirement. This lets you know where the original database is from, and your responsibilities should you recreate part of it. Should you recreate part of the original database, you know your responsibilities due to the link to the license from the attribution. There's no magic, the ODbL just follows its data using attribution. (Also, viral is a misnomer. Copyleft is inherited from a parent rather than caught from a neighbor.) - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL Produced Work
Hello, ODbL has an attribution requirement. This lets you know where the original database is from, and your responsibilities should you recreate part of it. Should you recreate part of the original database, you know your responsibilities due to the link to the license from the attribution. There's no magic, the ODbL just follows its data using attribution. Yes, but I can do my Produced Work and it'll CC-By-SA (let's say I just do tiles from map of my area), attributing it. Someone else will use my work (use the tiles, enriching it with self-generated trails, added mountain tops etc), and put it on CC-By-SA (my CC-By-SA doesn't order him to attribute OSM, he uses my product). And then another one will use this last map to retrace the whole area into his CC-By-SA map. Where is the point of breaking ODbL license? Sincerely, Tadeusz Knapik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL Produced Work
Hello, doesn't order him to attribute OSM, he uses my product). And then another one will use this last map to retrace the whole area into his CC-By-SA map. Where is the point of breaking ODbL license? You have to maintain attribution under BY-SA, so OSM has to be attributed at each point and no break will occur. Ok, but how an attribution itself should overcome CC-By-SA's rights? I mean if the last-in-the-chain user sees OSM, and even looks at the ODbL license, how could he assume the ODbL license applies to him instead of CC-By-SA, and in which case? What determines which actions are permitted, and which are not, and which license's rights are stronger? CC-By-SA's points 3a, 3b, 4a, 4b doesn't seem to leave place for another copyrights inside, and from my point of view they don't have to as (in my NAL-opinion) ODbL doesn't try to impose on Produced Work any rights other than attribution (point 4.3: Notice for using output). If ODbL should apply to a database retraced from CC-By-SA tiles (let's rememeber they also contain someone else's work, like those trails and mountain tops - so it's not just 'tiles from and ODbL map'), it would have to create ODbL's Derivative Database, which conflicts with CC-By-SA imposing CC-By-SA on an Adaptation. And as the product _is_ CC-By-SA, you can't say it does not apply... Sincerely, Tadeusz Knapik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL Produced Work
On 07/24/2012 10:01 PM, Tadeusz Knapik wrote: Hello, doesn't order him to attribute OSM, he uses my product). And then another one will use this last map to retrace the whole area into his CC-By-SA map. Where is the point of breaking ODbL license? You have to maintain attribution under BY-SA, so OSM has to be attributed at each point and no break will occur. Ok, but how an attribution itself should overcome CC-By-SA's rights? It doesn't. It just advertises the database. I mean if the last-in-the-chain user sees OSM, and even looks at the ODbL license, how could he assume the ODbL license applies to him instead of CC-By-SA, and in which case? What determines which actions are permitted, and which are not, and which license's rights are stronger? Each license covers the material that it covers. If the user uses the database, or a substantial part of it, the attribution ensures that they know the requirements for using the database. CC-By-SA's points 3a, 3b, 4a, 4b doesn't seem to leave place for another copyrights inside, and from my point of view they don't have to as (in my NAL-opinion) ODbL doesn't try to impose on Produced Work any rights other than attribution (point 4.3: Notice for using output). Sure, this is about retaining the freedom to work with the data that has been used to produce the produced work. If ODbL should apply to a database retraced from CC-By-SA tiles (let's rememeber they also contain someone else's work, like those trails and mountain tops - so it's not just 'tiles from and ODbL map'), it would have to create ODbL's Derivative Database, which conflicts with CC-By-SA imposing CC-By-SA on an Adaptation. And as the product _is_ CC-By-SA, you can't say it does not apply... BY-SA doesn't cover databases though (any potential changes in 4.0 notwithstanding). ODbL is still a comparatively new license and it is reasonable to have questions about it. I would recommend going to the people who wrote it and asking them directly, which you can do on the odc-dicuss list: http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/odc-discuss - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL Produced Work
Hello, instead of CC-By-SA, and in which case? What determines which actions are permitted, and which are not, and which license's rights are stronger? Each license covers the material that it covers. mountain tops - so it's not just 'tiles from and ODbL map'), it would have to create ODbL's Derivative Database, which conflicts with CC-By-SA imposing CC-By-SA on an Adaptation. And as the product _is_ CC-By-SA, you can't say it does not apply... BY-SA doesn't cover databases though (any potential changes in 4.0 notwithstanding). Saying so doesn't make any part of CC-By-SA licensed material uncovered by the license. It might not be designed for databases, but it doesn't mean a database is not an Adaptation. ODbL is still a comparatively new license and it is reasonable to have questions about it. I would recommend going to the people who wrote it and asking them directly, which you can do on the odc-dicuss list: http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/odc-discuss One list a day ;) Sincerely, Tadeusz Knapik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL Produced Work
From: Rob Myers [mailto:r...@robmyers.org] Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL Produced Work BY-SA doesn't cover databases though (any potential changes in 4.0 notwithstanding). It's important to note that this is only true where databases (like OSM) are not protected in some form by copyright. For significant parts of the world copyright and only copyright protects OSM. Also, it neglects the possibility of an implied license, but that would need to be tested in the courts. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
What about editor facebook support for editors? :) No, I'm actually serious - Vegard Engen mapped insert changeset comment here, near a place in the changeset. ? Of course with a few links in the post that appears on facebook. - Vegard On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 08:25:45PM -0700, Mikel Maron wrote: Great spirit! Now that we're past this milestone, it opens up our headspace and energy for building what's next Wish there was a place to consistently capture these ideas, and put movement behind them. There's a bunch of stuff on the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Usability http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Things_To_Do Several lists, groups, processes. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Design_Mailing_List http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Engineering_Working_Group My interest is still in building out social features http://brainoff.com/weblog/2012/03/30/1773 * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Matt Williams li...@milliams.com To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward On 23 July 2012 16:54, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Sören Gasch said: * Improve ease of editing (like wheelmap, a simple editor that lets you amend JUST the tags - name, opening hoursm, url etc..). There will be the Amenity Editor which kind of does what you propose. See - http://ae.osmsurround.org/ - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Amenity_Editor and Roland Olbricht said: * Make it easy to users to view the data (eg clicking a node/way could bring up data about it - the url and opening hours tags are not visible in map renders but is very useful to many end users) There is already a prototype that does show all data http://overpass-api.de/open_layers_popup.html Wow these both look really good. The editor would really decrease the barrier to entry (e.g. shop owners could easily add their opening hours). What's holding this project back from being more prominently placed on the map front page / How can I help? Also, there's also the newer iD (http://www.geowiki.com/, http://www.geowiki.com/iD/) which is aiming to be a simple tag and POI editor. It's not fully working yet but I imagine that development will happen fast. -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- - Vegard Engen, member of the first RFC1149 implementation team. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
On 23 July 2012 18:39, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) gra...@dalmuti.net wrote: How great would it be to add details of a way or feature while you are stood right next to it? I was doing this today, with Vespucci. Ian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
Vespucci does look interesting. Does it let you add a way just by walking it? The screenshots suggest you have to walk it then examine the GPS trace and manually draw the way in top of it. Sadly its Android-only - so no good for my iPhone or for Blackberry and WinMo users. The iD project looks like a better base because it is being written in Javascript/HTML5, so potentially could be available on all smartphones + tablets. Anyway, just wanted to add that I actually quite like the idea of Facebook integration. Obviously it's not for everyone and should be very optional. But it would be a great way to raise interest and possibly draw in new mappers. GrahamS On Tue, Jul 24, 2012, at 08:29 AM, Ian Sergeant wrote: On 23 July 2012 18:39, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) [1]gra...@dalmuti.net wrote: How great would it be to add details of a way or feature while you are stood right next to it? I was doing this today, with Vespucci. Ian. References 1. mailto:gra...@dalmuti.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
I wouldn't want Vespucci to draw a way based on a GPS trace. It does one better: The GPS trace is drawn as a blue line and in the background it provides Bing tiles (or map tiles, if you'd prefer those). So a way can be drawn based on a GPS trace combined with aerial imagery. OK, it's not automatic, but GPS traces on their own are often too imprecise, as far as I'm concerned (both in cities and in forests). The other problem is that many more nodes than strictly necessary would be used to describe the way. Just my 2 cents, Polyglot 2012/7/24 Graham Stewart gra...@dalmuti.net Vespucci does look interesting. Does it let you add a way just by walking it? The screenshots suggest you have to walk it then examine the GPS trace and manually draw the way in top of it. Sadly its Android-only - so no good for my iPhone or for Blackberry and WinMo users. The iD project looks like a better base because it is being written in Javascript/HTML5, so potentially could be available on all smartphones + tablets. Anyway, just wanted to add that I actually quite like the idea of Facebook integration. Obviously it's not for everyone and should be very optional. But it would be a great way to raise interest and possibly draw in new mappers. GrahamS On Tue, Jul 24, 2012, at 08:29 AM, Ian Sergeant wrote: On 23 July 2012 18:39, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) gra...@dalmuti.net wrote: How great would it be to add details of a way or feature while you are stood right next to it? I was doing this today, with Vespucci. Ian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
Vegard Engen mapped insert changeset comment here, near a place in the changeset. ? According to the wiki [0] that exists already: https://apps.facebook.com/osmpinboard/ I've not tried it, however, and get an error telling me that the app doesn't support https browsing - which I think is the default for facebook now. I've been told about it working in the past though. Joseph [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Facebook On 24 July 2012 07:54, veg...@engen.priv.no wrote: What about editor facebook support for editors? :) No, I'm actually serious - Vegard Engen mapped insert changeset comment here, near a place in the changeset. ? Of course with a few links in the post that appears on facebook. - Vegard On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 08:25:45PM -0700, Mikel Maron wrote: Great spirit! Now that we're past this milestone, it opens up our headspace and energy for building what's next Wish there was a place to consistently capture these ideas, and put movement behind them. There's a bunch of stuff on the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Usability http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Things_To_Do Several lists, groups, processes. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Design_Mailing_List http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Engineering_Working_Group My interest is still in building out social features http://brainoff.com/weblog/2012/03/30/1773 * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Matt Williams li...@milliams.com To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward On 23 July 2012 16:54, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Sören Gasch said: * Improve ease of editing (like wheelmap, a simple editor that lets you amend JUST the tags - name, opening hoursm, url etc..). There will be the Amenity Editor which kind of does what you propose. See - http://ae.osmsurround.org/ - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Amenity_Editor and Roland Olbricht said: * Make it easy to users to view the data (eg clicking a node/way could bring up data about it - the url and opening hours tags are not visible in map renders but is very useful to many end users) There is already a prototype that does show all data http://overpass-api.de/open_layers_popup.html Wow these both look really good. The editor would really decrease the barrier to entry (e.g. shop owners could easily add their opening hours). What's holding this project back from being more prominently placed on the map front page / How can I help? Also, there's also the newer iD (http://www.geowiki.com/, http://www.geowiki.com/iD/) which is aiming to be a simple tag and POI editor. It's not fully working yet but I imagine that development will happen fast. -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- - Vegard Engen, member of the first RFC1149 implementation team. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
2012/7/24 Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com [cut]. My interest is still in building out social features http://brainoff.com/weblog/2012/03/30/1773 On social part, I was thinking that the Events listed on the wiki should also go into the main site. Following your ideas, an Events near you section? On the main map could go an overlay with markers signaling an upcoming event (starting 1 month before for example), so that also non-registered users could see that and maybe go to a conference or a mapping party [I contacted an user to explain an edit, and referenced the mapping parties that we were hosting in Genoa and he didn't hear nothing about that -there was an article on local newspaper- ]. If there's possibility to create events, an user could have the list What event I attended, What event is coming near me, Contact the host, and so on.. There's more users on the map than on the wiki! * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron Regards, Stefano ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
vegard wrote: What about editor facebook support for editors? :) No, I'm actually serious - Vegard Engen mapped insert changeset comment here, near . ? Potlatch 1 actually did that with Twitter. But then Twitter started requiring OAuth and I really couldn't be bothered to code an OAuth library in ActionScript 1. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Very-Happy-Looking-forward-tp5717753p5718196.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] City routing grid for Australia and the US
I checked the terms for the Google Maps API and noticed that the collection of data, as done by the tool, is forbidden. Does anyone know of any other services which could provide reference distances? - Svavar Kjarrval On 23/07/12 21:42, Pieren wrote: I've not checked the tool in details but if I understand correctly, the reference distance numbers are coming from Google API. Imo, massively extracting distance like this is a copyright infringement, even if it's just to compare, in the same way using GMaps to check the street names correctness in OSM. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] City routing grid for Australia and the US
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 7/24/2012 2:59 PM, Svavar Kjarrval wrote: Does anyone know of any other services which could provide reference distances? Does anyone have a pre-redaction planet that could have an OSRM instance created? I would think that this would not violate the ODBL or CC-BY of either state if it is just used for route comparison. Does anyone know if Mapquest stopped diff consumption when the bot ran? When I first looked I thought they had stopped but now I can't route across Australia so maybe they were just a little behind when I looked before. Or maybe Cloudmade? They seem to still be able to route across Australia... Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] City routing grid for Australia and the US
Clodmade's (most!(!)) current data is from last December. Close enough? Dunno if you can query their API on the distance, so u gotta check that out. I just got a response from them the other day asking about when it will be updated and the response was that their engineers are assigned to other things... So, it seems that it will be one pre-redaction OSM reference for a while. Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Mike N nice...@att.net Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:04:33 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] City routing grid for Australia and the US On 7/24/2012 2:59 PM, Svavar Kjarrval wrote: Does anyone know of any other services which could provide reference distances? Does anyone have a pre-redaction planet that could have an OSRM instance created? I would think that this would not violate the ODBL or CC-BY of either state if it is just used for route comparison. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] City routing grid for Australia and the US
On 24/07/12 19:04, Mike N wrote: On 7/24/2012 2:59 PM, Svavar Kjarrval wrote: Does anyone know of any other services which could provide reference distances? Does anyone have a pre-redaction planet that could have an OSRM instance created? I would think that this would not violate the ODBL or CC-BY of either state if it is just used for route comparison. I was thinking more about as a general QA thing, not just post-redaction. - Svavar Kjarrval ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Some questions about using ODbL Produced Work
On 07/24/2012 08:51 PM, Tadeusz Knapik wrote: Hello, ODbL has an attribution requirement. This lets you know where the original database is from, and your responsibilities should you recreate part of it. Should you recreate part of the original database, you know your responsibilities due to the link to the license from the attribution. There's no magic, the ODbL just follows its data using attribution. Yes, but I can do my Produced Work and it'll CC-By-SA (let's say I just do tiles from map of my area), attributing it. Someone else will use my work (use the tiles, enriching it with self-generated trails, added mountain tops etc), and put it on CC-By-SA (my CC-By-SA doesn't order him to attribute OSM, he uses my product). And then another one will use this last map to retrace the whole area into his CC-By-SA map. Where is the point of breaking ODbL license? You have to maintain attribution under BY-SA, so OSM has to be attributed at each point and no break will occur. - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline generation resumed
Minor update: I am now running three times a day. Exact upload times depend on runtime which is largely a factor of dev server speed. Errors points are definitely going down. Many thanks for David Groom for both hosting the visualization and for often fixing errors before I can get to them, even though I know when my runs finish. From: Paul Norman [mailto:penor...@mac.com] Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:55 PM To: 'osm-talk' Subject: [OSM-talk] Coastline generation resumed I have resumed my daily generation of coastline files. These are generated with the coastcheck program[1] from my jxapi database starting at 5 AM pacific time. They take 3-4 hours to generate and upload, depending on my internet speed at the time. The completed files are uploaded to http://pnorman.dev.openstreetmap.org/coastlines/ If opening these shapefiles in QGIS be sure to create a spatial index for tolerable performance. There is a visualization of errors at http://www.wightpaths.co.uk/coast/ Many of the errors appear to be short errors between ways that became disconnected. More complicated errors are often best fixed by deleting the bad coastline and retracing. [1]: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/coastcheck/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk-nl] hulp bij revert changeset nodig
Hallo, In een poging de residential landuse van Deurne te herstellen is er iets goed fout gegaan waardoor er een aantal fietspaden zijn vernield en over het hele dorp zijn uitgestrooid. Kan iemand mijn changesets weer terugzetten of uitleggen hoe dat moet? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12476086 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12476264 ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] hulp bij revert changeset nodig
Op di 24 jul 2012 23:16:34 schreef Minko: Hallo, In een poging de residential landuse van Deurne te herstellen is er iets goed fout gegaan waardoor er een aantal fietspaden zijn vernield en over het hele dorp zijn uitgestrooid. Kan iemand mijn changesets weer terugzetten of uitleggen hoe dat moet? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12476086 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12476264 12476264 liet zich makkelijk terugzetten, dat is nu gebeurd. 12476086 is duidelijk lastiger, kijk je even of het nog nodig is? ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] hulp bij revert changeset nodig
Bedankt Oliver, Draai 12476086 ook helemaal terug dan teken ik de bebeouwde kom maar opnieuw in Zie http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/6332489 Deze nodes waren ook onderdeel van fietspaden en die zijn helemaal verstoord door mijn edits: 286886874 (ook onderdeel van weg 26200440) 286886861 (ook deel van ways 26200443 en 26200438) 286886059 (ook onderdeel van weg 26200341) 284044922 (ook deel van ways 40674968, 40674969 en 26020434) 284044920 (ook onderdeel van weg 40674968) 928930638 283980692 (ook onderdeel van weg 26015475) 12476264 liet zich makkelijk terugzetten, dat is nu gebeurd. 12476086 is duidelijk lastiger, kijk je even of het nog nodig is? ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] hulp bij revert changeset nodig
OK, de landuse=residential blijft dan dus 'gebroken' achter, maar ik begrijp dat dat het resultaat was van de redactie. Ook 12476086 is nu teruggedraaid Op wo 25 jul 2012 00:05:08 schreef Minko: Bedankt Oliver, Draai 12476086 ook helemaal terug dan teken ik de bebeouwde kom maar opnieuw in Zie http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/6332489 Deze nodes waren ook onderdeel van fietspaden en die zijn helemaal verstoord door mijn edits: 286886874 (ook onderdeel van weg 26200440) 286886861 (ook deel van ways 26200443 en 26200438) 286886059 (ook onderdeel van weg 26200341) 284044922 (ook deel van ways 40674968, 40674969 en 26020434) 284044920 (ook onderdeel van weg 40674968) 928930638 283980692 (ook onderdeel van weg 26015475) 12476264 liet zich makkelijk terugzetten, dat is nu gebeurd. 12476086 is duidelijk lastiger, kijk je even of het nog nodig is? ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] hulp bij revert changeset nodig
Klopt, weg 6332489 moet eigenlijk gedelete worden en de landuse helemaal opnieuw ingetekend. Ik had niet in de gaten dat die weg 6332489 aan allemaal fietspaden geplakt zat en daardoor is het dus fout gegaan. Bedankt! - Oorspronkelijk bericht - OK, de landuse=residential blijft dan dus 'gebroken' achter, maar ik begrijp dat dat het resultaat was van de redactie. Ook 12476086 is nu teruggedraaid ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[talk-au] Redaction recovery
Hi All I can give assistance retracing roads from bing concentrating on motorways and primary roads - I've made a start in South Sydney. Let me know if there's anywhere more urgent. I map mostly in Birmingham UK wher we're now pretty complete and are mostly tracing buildings from bing and addressing which is slow tedious work - so this provides a bit of welcome relief. It also reminds me of my visit to Oz 4 years ago - might even revisit some favourite places virtually! Regards Brian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery
Hi Brian, Good have you on board Brian. Take a look at the Hume Hwy and M5 motorway if you get a chance. Both head south west out of Sydney. Regards, Michael On 24/07/2012 8:23 PM, Brian Prangle wrote: Hi All I can give assistance retracing roads from bing concentrating on motorways and primary roads - I've made a start in South Sydney. Let me know if there's anywhere more urgent. I map mostly in Birmingham UK wher we're now pretty complete and are mostly tracing buildings from bing and addressing which is slow tedious work - so this provides a bit of welcome relief. It also reminds me of my visit to Oz 4 years ago - might even revisit some favourite places virtually! Regards Brian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to find missing bits?
Thanks - looks like I'm not on enough lists. It also looks like Godzilla ate Bendigo. http://osm.org/go/uG3Hnzs Steve On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Now that the CLEANMAP/BADMAP server has been disabled, what's a good way to find missing bits? Are there any sites that compare pre- and post- redaction? As announced on dev@ http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2012-July/025318.html OSMI. Sorry for the long link. http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=redactionbotlon=132.84375lat=-21.45920zoom=3overlays=overview,bot_point_superseded,bot_line_superseded_cp,bot_line_superseded,bot_point_modified,bot_line_modified_cp,bot_line_modified,bot_point_deleted,bot_line_deleted_cp,bot_line_deleted ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Redaction recovery
They should both be OK, with the exception of a minor hickup along the way (which may also be fixed in the mean time), what does nead work are the last 200k or so of the Paific Highway in to Brisbane. In any case I would wait till OSRM has been updated (9:00 CEST tomorrow) it makes it far easier to pinpoint gaps and other issues. If you have spare time grab a tile from rebuild.poole.ch and trace a bit, for example of Sydney. Simon PS: to all BTW does it make sense to add regions for further cities to the task manager? Am 24.07.2012 12:34, schrieb Michael Hampson: Hi Brian, Good have you on board Brian. Take a look at the Hume Hwy and M5 motorway if you get a chance. Both head south west out of Sydney. Regards, Michael On 24/07/2012 8:23 PM, Brian Prangle wrote: Hi All I can give assistance retracing roads from bing concentrating on motorways and primary roads - I've made a start in South Sydney. Let me know if there's anywhere more urgent. I map mostly in Birmingham UK wher we're now pretty complete and are mostly tracing buildings from bing and addressing which is slow tedious work - so this provides a bit of welcome relief. It also reminds me of my visit to Oz 4 years ago - might even revisit some favourite places virtually! Regards Brian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] LTUAE
Hi from another newbie By way of introduction I have been mapping only for a few weeks. Based in the Northern Beaches area of Sydney. Heard about OSM on a forum I belong to and took a look. Have played around a bit extracting data from the map and making my own routable map for the gps. I have a particular interest in travelling long distances and thought that OSM would be a great resource for adding stuff that I research e.g. 24 hour petrol stations in rural areas and sharing that with other like minded people. Initially cut my teeth on some small modifications like adding detail to poi's fixing a couple of local street names speed limits etc, even put in a driveway at the local kfc up the road whoo hoo. Ended up duplicating spit road / military road from spit bridge to neutral bay and tried very hard not to break anything along the way. Turned out ok I think, and I even discovered Tramway Lane at Neutral Bay which was a real buzz :) Very sad to see so much go but somehow I get the feeling that OSM is here to stay and although various australian cities and rural centres have been hit very hard by the redaction process I have no doubt it will be rebuilt to it's former glory. Just may take a while for the detail to get populated. The map was blank once before right? I travel a fair bit and spend a lot of time travelling from Sydney to taree, sydney melbourne by various routes, nsw south coast and quite a bit in the central west of NSW. Off to Border Village on the SA / WA border next week for a beer and a hamburger and stay overnight and then come back to sydney so will have the opportunity maybe to do some minor mapping on the way back home. Planning to be away 4 days total. Meeting with a largish group of travellers and will take the opportunity to see if I can encourage some participation from that diverse group who meet there once a year and live all over australia. In fact that might even be some of those in here already, I'm not sure. I have been working on through roads mainly, and intend to continue to do that until I can go places. Once that main stuff I know is done I will start on the local area say from Dee Why to Mosman if I haven't collapsed into a screaming heap by then. So far I have done: Metroad 10 from Neutral bay to Mona Vale. Pittwater road from Brookvale to Manly, sydney road to seaforth and wakehurst parkway to narrabeen Metroad 3 from mona vale to the pacific highway (will continue along ryde road tomorrow if I get a chance. The pacific Highway from gore hill to pearces corner at hornsby. State highway 29 boundary street roseville through warringah road dee why. Forest way from frenchs forest to terry hills. Sydney newcastle freeway from pennant hills road north to mount white so far. Just going a little more slowly there as I fix up a couple of interchagnes etc. Have been aligning the roads to gps traces or on some minor streets where I have been where there are very few or no traces to bing imagery. Also done various other through roads in our local area. A couple of questions: 1. I am still getting my head around a couple of things regarding relations and just want to check I am on the right track. Basically I ended up copying from examples where they were available. But for metroad 10 for example, there were 2 x relations for metroad ten. I expected they were for north and south bound routes as that is the way they appeared to be listed in some other areas I checked so that is what I have done. Put one relation for north and the other for south. If that's not right let me know and I will fix. Not sure how a routing relation works anyway. 2. for the road naming where the ref tag for metroad 10 was MR10 I have changed those to network=MR and ref=10. Same for the other roads I have worked on. Not *certain* that is correct though either so if someone could enlighten me would be good thanks. 3. state highway 29 continues from boundary street along pacific highway and then along delhi road, which makes that small section of the pacific highway sh29 *and* mr1. what should I use to reflect that? Just my own view on the redaction process. No issue with people who declined the licence agreement. However it was annoying for me to see one of the very first things I used for practice vanish in a puff of smoke. It was just a building outline, a coles supermarket. I named it, put in the opening hours, telephone number, full address details eg addr: city: etc etc. I turned it into a thing of beauty by entering approx 10 odd pieces of information, just for practice and learning. I thought it a bit harsh just because someone traced a building roof everything I added went as well. Tracing the building would have taken less than a minute. I spent 40 minutes researching and entering that extra detail on that single item. No big deal, it was just practice (and learning) after all, but after that and then seeing a couple of the ways I had drawn go
Re: [talk-au] LTUAE
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:02 PM, John Inkson jink...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi from another newbie Hey John, great to have you on board :-) For your questions on relations, the holy bible is here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations. Copying other existing relations as a start may seem like a good idea but, unfortunately, there's a good chance the existing ones are wrong... :-P My advice would be stick to the wiki, and ask specific questions like you have done. Even better if you can provide a *direct* link in your email to the relation(s) in question. ... If it is any encouragement, for the old hands around in here. I am only new by a few weeks and I knew full well what was coming re the redaction process. I've decided to hang around and do what I can. So, I came here at the worst time and have decided to stay. I don't think I will be alone in that. There will be others as well. That is great encouragement indeed! :-) Roy ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Establishing Priorities on the Central Coast
Hi Ben, I'd really like to establish those (re-)mapping tasks, but lack the experience with OSM to lead it. Would you fancy collaborating? I think someone with your experience would be invaluable. My suggestion would be as follows: 1. Coastline (I think mostly okay) 2. Water bodies (already started) 3. Railways 4. Motorway / freeway 5. Trunk / primary / secondary / tertiary (ideal opportunity to discuss classification) 6. Local 7. Tracks etc. (Get those 4B enthusiasts involved) 8. Waterways 9. Paths / cycleways NOTE: Nos 7-9 need not be relegated to last - those with local knowledge (and an interest in those areas) can jump right in. Same for #3 (I nominate you!)... SO, any takers interested in getting organised on the N.S.W. Central Coast? (For arguement's sake, let's call it Woy Woy to Swansea - unless someone has a preferred recommendation). Let me know... Cheers, Paul. -Original Message- From: Ben Johnson Sent: 23 Jul 2012 17:58:34 GMT To: Paul HAYDON Cc: Talk-AU OSM Subject: Re: [talk-au] Re-Mapping (RE: various posts) Paul, The road hierarchy on the Central Coast (and everywhere) is, i guess, based on a combination of contributor perceptions and people trying to make sense of guidelines in the OSM wiki. There will always be debate about road classifications because so many factors can justify the relative importance of a road, and those criteria vary from country to country. Once the RTA (or RMS or whatever they're called this week) get around to removing all those pesky green cover-plates off the road signs to reveal the new routes I think we'll have a clearer picture. I doubt SR83 will exist for much longer - certainly not via Donnison Street at least, but possibly a new B route via Manns Road. There's a swag of local streets and classifications in our area that need review... so if you believe something is wrong and you have sound reasoning, then feel free to change them. Ben Sent from my iPad On 21/07/2012, at 9:51, Paul HAYDON cadmana...@live.com.au wrote: How is the road network hierarchy established? Consult any number of maps (internet and other) and you'll see differing arrangements (esp. trunk/primary, but also what qualifies as secondary tertiary). For example, on the Central Coast of N.S.W., the motorway/freeway is simple, and the Central Coast Hwy was tagged as trunk (now decimated, certainly around The Entrance). The Pacific Hwy north of Gosford is only tagged primary, so clearly not as simple as road-type. Google Maps has it reversed (Pacific Hwy more important), but Bing does not. Just wondering... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LTUAE
But for metroad 10 for example, there were 2 x relations for metroad ten. I expected they were for north and south bound routes as that is the way they appeared to be listed in some other areas I checked so that is what I have done. Put one relation for north and the other for south. If that's not right let me know and I will fix. Not sure how a routing relation works anyway. For the Sydney metroads I have added directional route relations, that use two directional relations for each metroad. This allows the connectivity of the route to be checked quickly during the reconstruction phase, and otherwise does no harm. When we have reached the next stage of maturity we can decide if we want to merge them back into a single route relation with directional elements. So, yes, what you have done is correct. 2. for the road naming where the ref tag for metroad 10 was MR10 I have changed those to network=MR and ref=10. Same for the other roads I have worked on. Not *certain* that is correct though either so if someone could enlighten me would be good thanks That is correct. See the Australian tagging guidelines in the wiki. 3. state highway 29 continues from boundary street along pacific highway and then along delhi road, which makes that small section of the pacific highway sh29 *and* mr1. what should I use to reflect that? It can be part of both route relations. Just my own view on the redaction process. No issue with people who declined the licence agreement. However it was annoying for me to see one of the very first things I used for practice vanish in a puff of smoke. It was just a building outline, a coles supermarket. I named it, put in the opening hours, telephone number, full address details eg addr: city: etc etc. I turned it into a thing of beauty by entering approx 10 odd pieces of information, just for practice and learning. I thought it a bit harsh just because someone traced a building roof everything I added went as well. Tracing the building would have taken less than a minute. I spent 40 minutes researching and entering that extra detail on that single item. Your change sets are still available. You should be able to at least refer to the info you have added. And yes, the loss of data in this way is the hardest. One person just traces from an aerial and then does not agree. Others survey, add cycle facilities, names etc that are lost to OSM. I don't know if it still possible to better use some of this unattached data in the database down the track. Ian ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Establishing Priorities on the Central Coast
Paul, I'll do a little bit around Woy Woy when I visit in a few weeks. Let me know if there is anything specific you need looked at. Regards, Michael On 25/07/2012 3:49 AM, Paul HAYDON wrote: SO, any takers interested in getting organised on the N.S.W. Central Coast? (For arguement's sake, let's call it Woy Woy to Swansea - unless someone has a preferred recommendation). ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LTUAE
Hi, If someone is going through the Lane Cove tunnel / Gore Hill junctions, or the Eastern Distributor / Harbour Tunnel junctions. There is a bit of complex topology here that is pretty essentially for getting our through routing right again. Ian. On 25 July 2012 08:55, Michael Hampson mhamp...@fastmail.com.au wrote: Ian, I did see some relations on the M4 that were broken, I'll go back and check them. Must learn more about relations too. Glad to hear you a sticking around John. :) Regards, Michael On 25/07/2012 8:18 AM, Ian Sergeant wrote: But for metroad 10 for example, there were 2 x relations for metroad ten. I expected they were for north and south bound routes as that is the way they appeared to be listed in some other areas I checked so that is what I have done. Put one relation for north and the other for south. If that's not right let me know and I will fix. Not sure how a routing relation works anyway. For the Sydney metroads I have added directional route relations, that use two directional relations for each metroad. This allows the connectivity of the route to be checked quickly during the reconstruction phase, and otherwise does no harm. When we have reached the next stage of maturity we can decide if we want to merge them back into a single route relation with directional elements. So, yes, what you have done is correct. 2. for the road naming where the ref tag for metroad 10 was MR10 I have changed those to network=MR and ref=10. Same for the other roads I have worked on. Not *certain* that is correct though either so if someone could enlighten me would be good thanks That is correct. See the Australian tagging guidelines in the wiki. 3. state highway 29 continues from boundary street along pacific highway and then along delhi road, which makes that small section of the pacific highway sh29 *and* mr1. what should I use to reflect that? It can be part of both route relations. Just my own view on the redaction process. No issue with people who declined the licence agreement. However it was annoying for me to see one of the very first things I used for practice vanish in a puff of smoke. It was just a building outline, a coles supermarket. I named it, put in the opening hours, telephone number, full address details eg addr: city: etc etc. I turned it into a thing of beauty by entering approx 10 odd pieces of information, just for practice and learning. I thought it a bit harsh just because someone traced a building roof everything I added went as well. Tracing the building would have taken less than a minute. I spent 40 minutes researching and entering that extra detail on that single item. Your change sets are still available. You should be able to at least refer to the info you have added. And yes, the loss of data in this way is the hardest. One person just traces from an aerial and then does not agree. Others survey, add cycle facilities, names etc that are lost to OSM. I don't know if it still possible to better use some of this unattached data in the database down the track. Ian ___ Talk-au mailing listTalk-au@openstreetmap.orghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-br] Finalmente, dados da SPTrans abertos!
Que massa! Poderia comentar um pouco como foi o processo para conseguir ter acesso aos dados? Eu adoraria poder fazer o mesmo aqui no Rio de Janeiro. []s 2012/7/24 vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com Pessoal, Conseguimos abrir os dados da SPTrans! Os arquivos contém as coordenadas das paradas de ônibus da cidade de São Paulo, além de informações de horários e linhas. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3291375/gtfs_sptrans_2012.zip Logo subirei estes originais no mapaslivres.org. Vamos importar ao OpenStreetMap? Abs, Vitor George mapaslivres.org twitter.com/mapaslivres ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Finalmente, dados da SPTrans abertos!
O Rio de Janeiro tem não só informação dos pontos como também das linhas, pois elas já constaram no Google Maps. Recentemente elas foram retiradas, não sei o motivo. Aqui o governo tem também informações sobre construções da cidade, que são os bloquinhos que aparecem em níveis altos de zoom e que poderiam ser diretamente convertidos em building=yes. Eu já consegui alguns dados (disponibilizados no site do IPP, vide [1]) e, embora não tenha tido autorização formal, apenas de boca do responsável pelo setor, fiz algumas importações. No entanto, essas informações sobre construções da cidade, bem como outras informações como todos os nomes de todos os logradouros, não constam desse set de dados disponibilizado no site [2], mas constam no site para visualização [3]. 1: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Brazil/RJ/Rio_de_Janeiro/Import_IPP 2: http://portalgeo.rio.rj.gov.br/_pcontrole/estrutura/arvs/testearcims.asp?gsite=basegeo 3: http://portalgeo.rio.rj.gov.br/ipp_viewer/?config=cadlog.xml []s 2012/7/24 vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com Oi Arlindo, Quero fazer um post detalhado no Mapas Livres, mas, resumidamente, usamos a Lei de Acesso a Informação. Já faz anos que o Google Maps tem os dados de transporte de São Paulo, mas a SPTrans nunca os liberou para o público geral, apesar de vários pedidos. Assim que a lei entrou em vigor fizemos um pedido à SPTrans, que foi negado inicialmente. Disseram que o pedido foi muito genérico. A lei permite que o cidadão entre com um recurso em até 5 dias. Então, detalhei no recurso os dados que queria conforme estão no site da SPTrans. Assim, não teve muita forma de escapar e nos enviaram os dados. Quem fez todo o trabalho de enfrentar a burocracia foi a Patricia Cornils, que faz parte da lista Transparência Hacker. Com certeza o processo pode ser seguido em outras cidades que não liberam os dados cordialmente. Mas há que atentar também que nem sempre as cidades tem informações georeferenciadas sobre transportes. Acredito que o Rio de Janeiro e grandes capitais tenham os dados, mas é bom fazer uma pesquisa antes para evitar ter o pedido negado com razão. Abraço, Vitor George mapaslivres.org twitter.com/mapaslivres 2012/7/24 Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com Que massa! Poderia comentar um pouco como foi o processo para conseguir ter acesso aos dados? Eu adoraria poder fazer o mesmo aqui no Rio de Janeiro. []s 2012/7/24 vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com Pessoal, Conseguimos abrir os dados da SPTrans! Os arquivos contém as coordenadas das paradas de ônibus da cidade de São Paulo, além de informações de horários e linhas. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3291375/gtfs_sptrans_2012.zip Logo subirei estes originais no mapaslivres.org. Vamos importar ao OpenStreetMap? Abs, Vitor George mapaslivres.org twitter.com/mapaslivres ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Imobiliaria
Também surgiram umas dúvidas aqui. Qual tag utilizar para guaritas/quiosques policiais e para garagens de ônibus? Em 6 de junho de 2012 21:31, vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com escreveu: Oi Eduardo, Segundo o Taginfo, as pessoas estão utilizando as tags * 'shop=estate_agent'* e *'office=estate_agent'*: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=estate#values No wiki ainda não existe um consenso sobre qual é a correta, mas está pendendo mais para *'shop=estate_agent'*. Eu usaria esta. Vitor George mapaslivres.org twitter.com/mapaslivres On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Eduardo Medeiros eduardoamedei...@gmail.com wrote: Alguém já registrou uma imobiliária? Utilizou o office=estate_agent? []s, Eduardo Medeiros ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Neuer OSMI-Layer fuer Lizenzwechsel-Resultate
Moin! Klasse tool! Vielen Dank! Nun habe ich noch ein weiteres Problem: Ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, dass es für die Autobahnen A39 und A7 (andere habe ich nun nicht geprüft) eine route-Relation gab. Die scheinen jedoch jetzt verschwunden. Kann ich irgendwie noch feststellen, ob die im Rahmen des Redaction-Prozesses gelöscht wurde oder schon vorher nicht (mehr) da war? Gruß Andre Am 23.07.2012 12:23, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hi, auf http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=redactionbotlon=7.84268lat=48.78466zoom=5 gibt es einen neuen OSMI-Layer, der zeigt, was beim Lizenzwechsel-Bot passiert ist: ROT - Sachen, die der Bot geloescht hat. Der OSMI zeigt noch die alten Tags an, aber bitte nur angucken, nicht nach OSM hinein uebernehmen! ORANGE - Sachen, die der Bot geaendert hat. GELB - Sachen, die der Bot geanedert hat und die seitdem von jemand anders nochmal angefasst wurden. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!
Hallo Werner Interessant, was du da in deinem Mail vom 24. Juli 2012 00:38 schreibst. Letztlich sagst du damit, dass jedes OSM Objekt identifiziert oder zumindest verfolgt werden kann, wenn man vom ihm 1. die OSM ID(?), 2. die Version und 3. das Change-Datum (aus der Historie) verwaltet, oder? D.h. dass eine externe Datenbank jedem OSM Objekt eine eigene (permanente/stabile) ID zuordnen könnte, was meine Frage eingangs löst. Ich bin ein wenig verunsichert, weil du schreibst ... habe ich mal einen Prototypen geschrieben, der ... aus der OSM-DB ein Objekt zu jedem Zeitpunkt ermitteln kann.. Was ich - bzw. Linked Open Data und Projekte wie query-to-map oder OpenMetadata ja möchten, ist eine eindeutige, permanente ID - solange es das Objekt gibt. Weiter hast du geschrieben: Die Ermittlung ist ohne komplette Datenbank mit OSM-Historie sehr aufwändig. Ja; das habe ich auch gemerkt, als ich ein Extrakt (z.B. ein Land) mit aktuell halten wollte. Ist es nun mit deine Prototyp möglich oder nicht? Anmerkungen: * Bei der Eindeutigkeit gibt es eine gewisse Unschärfe, weil die Changesets AFAIK nicht atomar in die OSM-Datenbank eingetragen werden. Du meinst es braucht eine zeitliche Toleranz, eine Zeitspanne (von z.B. einigen Minuten)? * Ich weiß nicht ob der Code mit Objekten noch geht, die vom Redaction Bot verändert wurden. Ok. Aber was kann der Bot anders machen als das was unbedarfte Mapper und Editoren tun (löschen+neu einfügen sollte ja erkannt werden mit deinem Ansatz)? Grüsse, Stefan Am 24. Juli 2012 00:38 schrieb Werner Hoch werner...@gmx.de: Hallo, Am Sonntag, den 22.07.2012, 21:22 +0200 schrieb Stefan Keller: 1. Sind OSM ID's wirklich instabil? bzw. Wann ändern IDs ungewollt/unfreiwillig? Oben wird die Overpass Permanent ID erwähnt (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API/Permanent_ID ) und dort steht: ...you shouldn't use an object ID, because the OSM IDs may change at any time. Das würde ich gerne mal näher analysieren: Ein klarer Fall für ein Löschen und Neu-Einfügen (mit neuer ID) scheint mir zu sein, wenn das auch in der realen Welt der Fall ist: Wenn z.B. ein Gebäude abgerissen und neu erstellt wird, oder ein wichtiger Einzelbaum gefällt und neu gepflanzt wird. Soeben realisiere ich, dass wenn Nodes (mit Tags) lagemässig verschoben werden, ein neuer Node mit neuer ID und neuen Koordinaten und den geretteten Tags erzeugt wird (zumindest in JOSM), während dessen alte Koordinaten als normaler Way-Node zurückbleiben. Das ist aber kein logisch zwingender Grund, sondern technischer Mangel. Dieses Problem lässt sich umgehen, wenn man nicht mit der Version des Weges arbeitet, sondern zusätzlich mit einem Datum. Ein way X lässt sich zu jedem Zeitpunkt und immer gleich aus OSM (und der OSM-Historie) extrahieren. Dieses Objekt(mit Datum) ist stabil. Diese Information ließen sich cachen und bei Bedarf gegen die Objekte mit aktuellerem Datum abgleichen. Wie kommt man an das Objekt mit ObjektID+Datum? -- alle referenzierten Objekte mit dem entsprechenden Datum ermitteln. Die Ermittlung ist ohne komplette Datenbank mit OSM-Historie sehr aufwändig. Vor einigen Jahren habe ich mal einen Prototypen geschrieben, der über die API aus der OSM-DB ein Objekt zu jedem Zeitpunkt ermitteln kann: Beschreibung: http://www.h-renrew.de/h/osm/tools/osmhistory.html Quelltext: https://github.com/werner2101/python-osm Anmerkungen: * Bei der Eindeutigkeit gibt es eine gewisse Unschärfe, weil die Changesets AFAIK nicht atomar in die OSM-Datenbank eingetragen werden. * Ich weiß nicht ob der Code mit Objekten noch geht, die vom Redaction Bot verändert wurden. Grüße Werner ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!
Moin, Am 23.07.2012 23:41, schrieb Stefan Keller: Hallo Henning Am 23. Juli 2012 18:45 schrieb aighes o...@aighes.de: Am 23.07.2012 17:41, schrieb Stefan Keller: Kannst du mal ein konkretes Beispielszenario nennen, wo das so ist? Siehe oben den Link zur Bushaltestelle in meiner Antwort vom 23. Juli 2012 13:34 an Georg. Scheint übrigens in JOSM zurzeit auch für Eingeweihte eine Herausforderung zu sein, so einen Node zu verschieben und die ID beizubehalten. JOSM - utilsplugin2 - Punkt extrahieren Wenn man sich denn überhaupt der Problemstellung bewusst ist, dass die ID unbedingt mitverschoben werden muss. Das ist der Knackpunkt. Verstehe ich nicht. Wenn es in der BBox nicht mehr ist, wird es wohl nicht mehr das gleiche Objekt sein, dass man gemeint hat. In jedem Fall sollte dann das Projekt überprüfen, ob ihre Daten noch zu dem neuen Objekt passen. Es gibt etliche Gebiete, die ab Orthofotos abdigitalisiert wurden und die um mehrere Meter (bis zu 30!) falsch sind, weil die Orthofotos falsch waren. Da steht man mit BBox sprichwörtlich im Schilf. Also als konkretes Beispiel halte ich eine Suche nach einer Bushaltestelle innerhalb von 50 m jetzt nicht unbedingt für problematisch, ganz abgesehen davon, dass diese einen konkreten Namen haben (sollten). Bei ganz genau einer bestimmten von 4 Sitzbänken nebeneinander fehlt mir persönlich so ein bisschen die Notwendigkeit der Objektunterscheidung - aber nun gut, dass mag jemand anders sehen. Bist Du wirklich sicher, dass sich der Aufwand, ggf. hundert(e) von Projekt-IDs einzupflegen und auch zu warten, lohnt, um ggf. ein(zelne) Objekt(e) auch außerhalb ihrer Positions-Box (möglicherweise in Timbuktu statt in Deutschland) wiederzufinden? Um bei Deinem Beispiel zu bleiben: Ein Projekt verweist (meinetwegen per Projekt-ID) auf diese Bushaltestelle, die als einzelnes Objekt auf dem Straßen-way in OSM vorhanden ist. Jetzt wird diese Bushaltestelle in OSM als zwei Objekte abseits der Straße verändert. Welches Objekt soll jetzt die Projekt-ID bekommen, beide Haltestellen oder nur eine ganz bestimmte? Oder die stop-area-Relation? Oder gehört diese ID womöglich zum Node der Straße? Das bist dann nicht Du, der das dann entscheiden muss! Derjenige, der das externe Projekt kennt und entsprechende Schlüsse ziehen kann. Sondern das ist Mapper Joe, der von Deinem Projekt keine Ahnung hat und nur so eine komische Projekt-ID als Tag vorfindet. Du must in jedem Fall hinterherarbeiten, ganz egal ob a) die ID dann mehrfach vorhanden ist b) die ID jetzt gar nicht mehr vorhanden ist, aber das Objekt sich noch in der Box befindet c) oder das Objekt mit oder ohne ID nicht mehr in der Positions-Box gefunden wird Denn ich gehe stark davon aus, dass es Dir nicht egal ist, ob sich _Dein_ Objekt mit der ID plötzlich in Timbuktu befindet. D. h. Du prüfst doch sowieso gegen, ob sich das Objekt noch in einer gewissen Box befindet. Warum dann nicht gleich so? Gruß Georg ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neuer OSMI-Layer fuer Lizenzwechsel-Resultate
Hallo Frederik, neuen OSMI-Layer Super! Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] LKW Mautinformationen
Moin, Am 23.07.2012 22:32, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Euer Ja/Nein-Gemisch finde ich nicht gut ueberlegt: Eine Autobahn kostet Maut, wenn sie in Deutschland ist und nicht explizit als mautfrei getaggt ist, oder wenn sie in einem anderen Land ist und explizit als mautpflichtig getaggt ist. Eine Bundesstrasse kostet immer dann Maut, wenn sie explizit als mautpflichtig getaggt ist. Eine niederrangige Strasse kostet nie Maut, wenn sie in Deutschland ist, egal wie sie getaggt ist... [Den Punkt lasse ich mal außen vor] Da blickt doch keiner mehr durch. Loriot würde jetzt sagen (lassen): Ach! Das ist doch eigentlich nur genau das, was die entsprechenden Gesetze vom Nutzer (mautpflichtigen Autofahrer) auch verlangen ... In einem Land mit genereller Mautpflicht für einen bestimmten Straßentyp würde ich auch explizit die Ausnahmen taggen. In einem Land mit expliziter Mautpflicht für bestimmte Abschnitte eines Straßentyps würde ich auch explizit die Abschnitte taggen. Gruß Georg ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neuer OSMI-Layer fuer Lizenzwechsel-Resultate
Moin, auch von mir vielen Dank! Am 24.07.2012 08:11, schrieb Andre Hinrichs: Ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, dass es für die Autobahnen A39 und A7 eine route-Relation gab. Kann ich irgendwie noch feststellen, ob die im Rahmen des Redaction-Prozesses gelöscht wurde oder schon vorher nicht (mehr) da war? vielleicht irgendwie über http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Germany/Autobahn? Gruß Georg ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Vorschlag Supersedes
Hallo, Manuel Reimer wrote: Stefan Tiran wrote: Ein neuer Vorschlag: Wie wäre es damit, es so wie im Usenet zu machen? Wenn ein Objekt durch ein anderes ersetzt wird, auf das neue einen supersedes-Tag setzen, der als Wert die alte Objekt-ID hält. Das löst nicht das Problem Node wird durch Way ersetzt. Man kann durchaus Typ und Objekt-ID in einen String kodieren. Das zeigt JOSM mit seinem Feature Download Object seit einiger Weile. Einfach ein n, w, oder r der ID voranstellen und schon ist klar, was gemeint ist. Liebe Grüße, Stefan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!
Am 24.07.2012 09:56, schrieb Stefan Keller: Letztlich sagst du damit, dass jedes OSM Objekt identifiziert oder zumindest verfolgt werden kann, wenn man vom ihm 1. die OSM ID(?), 2. die Version und 3. das Change-Datum (aus der Historie) verwaltet, oder? Nein...du kannst mit ID und Datum immer das Objekt bekommen, dass du in deine DB eingetragen hast. Bsp.: Du verknüpfst gestern eine Bushaltestelle mit deiner DB. Heute lösche ich die Bushaltestelle und trage eine neue ein. Dann kannst du aus der History DB das Objekt so bekommen, wie es gestern war. Was ich dann mit dem Objekt gemacht habe, kannst du auch in Erfahrung bringen, aber das muss dann nicht mehr das Objekt sein, auf das sich deine DB bezieht. Da diese weiterverfolgung nicht geht, kannst du dir aber auch gleich die Daten aus OSM kopieren und in deine DB einfügen. Da ist der Aufwand geringer. Denn so eine History-DB ist mit Sicherheit nicht ohne ;) Henning ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!
Stefan Keller wrote: Folgendes fehlt in deiner Zusammenfassung: Mit der OSM-IDs ist die Gefahr grösser als mit der UUID, dass das Projekt das Objekt verliert (da es einer gelöscht und mit denselben Tags neu erstellt hat). Wenn jemand das Objekt ändert, dann muss das Projekt so oder so überprüfen. Daher die UUID, bzw. die Projekt-ID Eben. Die Tendenz geht dahin, dass ein Mapper ggf. alle Tags übernimmt. Erst recht auch die, die er nicht kennt. Aber es ist doch immer ein Objekt an nahezu einer Koordinate, oder? Dann frag' halt die Overpass-API nach allen Bildstöcken in einer gewissen BBox. Eine BBox taugt nicht als Identifikator. Wenn das Objekt verschoben wurde, dann ist es weg, ausserhalb der BBOX. Nicht nur das. Ich müsste für alle Bildstöcke (ca. 30 Stück) eine BBox ermitteln und speichern. Zudem gibt es Stellen, an denen Bildstöcke relativ nah beieinander stehen. Gruß Manuel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!
aighes wrote: Folgendes fehlt in deiner Zusammenfassung: Mit der OSM-IDs ist die Gefahr grösser als mit der UUID, dass das Projekt das Objekt verliert (da es einer gelöscht und mit denselben Tags neu erstellt hat). Wenn jemand das Objekt ändert, dann muss das Projekt so oder so überprüfen. Daher die UUID, bzw. die Projekt-ID Kannst du mal ein konkretes Beispielszenario nennen, wo das so ist? $GEBAEUDE ist aktuell noch als Node eingezeichnet und jemand zeichnet den Gebäudeumriss ein und überträgt alle Tags vom Node auf den neu geschaffenen Way. Beispiele gibt es viele. Problem ist und bleibt, dass man, wenn man direkt Daten von der OSM-Datenbank in einem Projekt verwenden will, irgendwie eine Referenz auf bestimmte Objekte benötigt. Prinzipiell ist es nämlich in zweierlei Hinsicht praktisch, Geodaten direkt in der OSM-DB zu pflegen. Zum einen gibt es hier gute Tools um die via GPS ermittelten Daten in der Karte einzutragen und auch zu benennen und/oder mit weiteren Infos zu versehen. Zum anderen profitiert auch die OSM gleich mit, wenn solche Daten direkt in deren DB gepflegt und verwaltet werden. Auch andere Projekte könnten so die Daten (z.B. alle Bildstöcke) anzeigen. Gruß Manuel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!
Roland Olbricht wrote: Wenn doch jede Sehenswürdigkeit genug Material für eine Webseite hat (Foto und/oder Text reicht), dann mache am besten diese als Webseiten zugänglich (z.B. mit Basisurl + UUID als URL aus der Datenbank) und trage die URL als url=... oder website=... ein. Dann sieht jeder Mapper sofort, dass die Objekte wichtig genug sind, eine Website zu haben und kann damit umgehen, da im Gegensatz zur UUID ja der Zweck des Tags ohne Recherche erkennbar ist. ... aber es kann keiner einem anderen Mapper verbieten eine andere Webseite oder einen anderen Link auf ein Bild zu hinterlegen. Ich hatte ursprünglich tatsächlich vor, die Verknüpfung zwischen Object-ID und Bild auch in der OSM zu pflegen, habe mich aber bewusst dagegen entschieden, weil ich auf unserer Vereinskarte auch nur unsere Bilder sehen will. Ich will vermeiden, dass jemand ein vermeintlich schöneres Bild an einen Bildstock hängt und dieses dann auf dem Weg auf unsere Karte kommt. Aus dem Grund kommen auch nur Position und Name (ggf. noch start_date, wenn bekannt) aus der OSM-DB. Die Verbindung zwischen Bild und OSM-ID mache ich dann auf unserem Server. Gruß Manuel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!
Stefan Keller wrote: * Bisher haben wir von externen Datenbanken gesprochen - also Mehrzahl: Gehört so eine externe Datenbank nicht eigentlich zur OSM Infrastruktur? Nicht, wenn der Betreiber der externen DB ganz bewusst verhindern will, dass jemand seine Daten ändert. In meinem Fall eben Verknüpfung zwischen OSM-ID (da ich aktuell noch diese nutze, da kein anderes Merkmal brauchbar) und einem Foto. Die Summe der Daten visualisiere ich dann auf einer Karte für unseren Heimat- und Geschichtsverein. Ich will ganz bewusst verhindern, dass jemand ein anderes Bild für das für mich interessante Objekt hinterlegt. Auf unserer Karte will ich auch nur unsere Bilder sehen. Gruß Manuel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] LKW Mautinformationen
Am 24.07.2012 00:00, schrieb aighes: Hallo Frederik, meiner Meinung nach ist die Maut eine Eigenschaft der Straße und sollte daher auch an der Straße getaggt werden und nicht an einer Routenrelation. Für eine Auswertung wäre es auch deutlich einfacher, wenn die Wege (in irgendeiner Form) entsprechend getaggt sind. Bei anderen Eigenschaften eines Weges erfassen wir ja auch nicht Start- und Endpunkt der Eigenschaft, sondern geben dem Weg diese Eigenschaft. Ich sehe jetzt erstmal keinen Grund hiervon abzuweichen. Henning ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de +1 falls gewünscht, kann man ja zusätzlich den Start und Endpunkt taggen. Jimmy ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Kartenauswertung erweitert
HI ! aufgrund der Hinweise habe ich die Auswertung verbessert Großkraftwerk Mannheim (Kohle): http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/152506744 = http://www.tappenbeck.net/osm/maps/deu/index.php?id=1019lat=49.44126lon=8.49607zoom=14layers=BTTTlang=de Wasserkraftwerk Mannheim-Feudenheim: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/59701027 = http://www.tappenbeck.net/osm/maps/deu/index.php?id=1019lat=49.47604lon=8.52911zoom=14layers=BTTTlang=de Danke für die Hinweise. Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Kartenauswertung verbessert
HI ! aufgrund der Hinweise habe ich die Auswertung verbessert Großkraftwerk Mannheim (Kohle): http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/152506744 = http://www.tappenbeck.net/osm/maps/deu/index.php?id=1019lat=49.44126lon=8.49607zoom=14layers=BTTTlang=de Wasserkraftwerk Mannheim-Feudenheim: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/59701027 = http://www.tappenbeck.net/osm/maps/deu/index.php?id=1019lat=49.47604lon=8.52911zoom=14layers=BTTTlang=de Danke für die Hinweise. Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Kartenauswertung erweitert
HI ! aufgrund der Hinweise habe ich die Auswertung verbessert Großkraftwerk Mannheim (Kohle): http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/152506744 = http://www.tappenbeck.net/osm/maps/deu/index.php?id=1019lat=49.44126lon=8.49607zoom=14layers=BTTTlang=de Wasserkraftwerk Mannheim-Feudenheim: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/59701027 = http://www.tappenbeck.net/osm/maps/deu/index.php?id=1019lat=49.47604lon=8.52911zoom=14layers=BTTTlang=de Danke für die Hinweise. Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] 3-fach hällt besser ...
Hi ! bevor ich wieder Rückmeldungen zu dem 3-fach-Posting bekomme. Ich wollte die eMail parallel an eine Dritte Person verschicken und mein Thunderbird hat angemerkt das dieses mit dem Konto nicht geht. Wenn man eine solche Meldung bekommt, dann entsteht der Eindruck da ist auch wirklich nichts rausgegangen. Das dem aber nicht so war sehen wir an dem 3-fach-Posting. Sorry Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kartenauswertung erweitert
Moin Jan, Biomassekraftwerke sind unterschiedlich mit generator:source=biomass/biofuel/biogas gekennzeichnet. Du fragst im Overlay Biomasse offenbar nur biofuel ab. Viele Grüße Stephan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] LinkedOSMDB (War: Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!)
Ich möchte den Diskussionsfaden von Permanente/stabile OSM IDs! zusammenfassen wie folgt: Den Anwendungsfall, den ich einem Lösungskonzept zuführen möchte, sind Nachnutzer und (OSM-)externe Datenbanken (nennen wir es Fachinformationssystem X, das z.B. Schlafbänke als Objekte der Realität verwaltet). Das Fachinformationssystem X verwaltet eigene, zusätzliche Eigenschaften eines Objekts der Realität jemand hat Schlafbänke vorgeschlagen :-) und möchte sich mit der OSM DB verknüpfen. Dazu kann sie sich - wie von Frederik skizziert - auf eine externe Datenbank verlassen, nennen wir sie LinkedOSMDB (siehe auch z.B. OpenMetaMap, die sich noch auf OSM IDs stützt). Die LinkedOSMDB bietet in Richtung Fachinformationssystem X hin eine eindeutige und stabile ID (z.B. ein URI à la Linked Open Data, oder ein TOID à la UK's MasterMap oder die Swiss OID à la Interlis: http://www.interlis.ch/oid/oid_d.php). Dazu gehört natürlich auch eine schnelle API. Und Richtung OSM Datenbank hin zeigt sie auf OSM-Objekte. In OSM geht es nun darum, einen Ansatz zu finden, um eine ID eines OSM-Objekts zu gewährleisten, die zusammen mit dem Objekt der Realität eindeutig ist und stabil bleibt. Genau genommen, ist mit eindeutig im Rahmen eines bestimmten Kontextes gemeint. Und ich spreche bewusst von stabil und nicht von permanent, denn es ist nicht das oberste Ziel, IDs auf gelöschte Objekte - die auch in der Realität gelöscht wurden - zu erhalten - das wäre eine zusätzliche Historisierungs-Dienstleistung. Die Meldung Objekt bzw. ID nicht (mehr) vorhanden genügt. Die OSM ID ist es nicht und soll es auch nicht werden, wie Frederik das beschrieben hat. Ein Vorschlag geht offenbar in Richtung fuzzy links bzw. semantische ID. Dabei spielt ein Mapper den Identifizierer und definiert und speichert eine Query (z.B. ref+network) auf OSM Objekte (vgl. dazu http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Query-to-map). Das ist schon mal ein guter Ansatz (z.B. ist name=Matterhorn weltweit wohl eindeutig für ein bestimmtes Objekt der Realität). Er ist gut und genügt ev. für query-to-map-Anwendungen. Er ist aber für die oben erwähnten Anwendungsfälle nicht hinreichend, denn er deckt nur einen Teil von OSM Objekten ab: Was ist mit Parkbänken und Briefkästen. Als Verbesserung schlage ich vor, dass die ID potentiell für jedes OSM Objekt einsetzbar ist und als ID erkennbar sein soll. Vorschlag: linkedosmdb_id=...! Man beachte, dass damit nicht automatisch sämtliche OSM-Objekte damit aufgebläht werden und dass es keine UUID sein muss, die universumweit eindeutig ist (das geht auch kürzer als mit 64 Zeichen, wie TOID und Swiss OID zeigen). Diese ID ist nicht zusammengesetzt (bei network+ref sieht man dem Key network alleine keine ID-Eigenschaft an und man sieht auch nicht, dass sie zusammengehören!). Und Koordinaten inkl. BoundaryBox kommen auch nicht in Frage, denn das Objekt ist ja immer noch dasselbe, wenn deren Lage ein paar Koordinatenstellen weniger hat oder wenn es verschoben wird, weil jemand die Bushaltestelle an den richtigeren Ort schiebt, die Orthophotos falsch georeferenziert waren oder Koordinaten sich ändern, weil Kontinente herumdriften!!! Eine offene Frage bleibt für mich: Was als Projekt-ID sinnvoller ist: Sollen nebst linkedosmdb_id=... weitere Keys zugelassen sein (gegeben sie sind ebenfalls nicht-zusammengesetzt und als ID erkennbar und erheben ebenfalls den Anspruch, stabil zu sein, wie eben bestimmte Objekt mit name=...) ? LG, Stefan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] LinkedOSMDB (War: Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!)
Hallo, On 24.07.2012 23:12, Stefan Keller wrote: Ein Vorschlag geht offenbar in Richtung fuzzy links bzw. semantische ID. Dabei spielt ein Mapper den Identifizierer und definiert und speichert eine Query (z.B. ref+network) auf OSM Objekte (vgl. dazu http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Query-to-map). Das ist schon mal ein guter Ansatz (z.B. ist name=Matterhorn weltweit wohl eindeutig für ein bestimmtes Objekt der Realität). Er ist gut und genügt ev. für query-to-map-Anwendungen. Er ist aber für die oben erwähnten Anwendungsfälle nicht hinreichend, denn er deckt nur einen Teil von OSM Objekten ab: Was ist mit Parkbänken und Briefkästen. Ich denke, dann muss man an diesem Konzept noch verfeinern. Als Verbesserung schlage ich vor, dass die ID potentiell für jedes OSM Objekt einsetzbar ist und als ID erkennbar sein soll. Das finde ich nicht gut. Ich denke, die Link-Datenbank kann auch Parkbaenke identifizieren mit einer Anfrage wie: Diejenige amenity=bench, die dem Punkt lat=y,lon=x am naechsten ist. - in dem Fall ist eine Punktposition Teil des hinterlegten Links, was ich aber gar nicht schlecht finde, selbst bei sowas wie Matterhorn, einfach um eine groessere Stabilitaet auch gegenueber Spaesschen (jemand erfindet eine Insel in der Suedsee und taggt dort ein natural=peak name=Matterhorn) gewappnet zu sein. Natuerlich sind solche Links dann unter Umstaenden nicht mehr garantiert eindeutig, aber: Entweder gibt es kein identifizierendes Merkmal, z.B. man meint konkret die Parkbank mit der Plakette gestiftet von Dr. Mueller, dann sollte man *das* in OSM taggen (inscription=gestiftet...) und dann kann man darauf auch einen Link setzen (eine Parkbank im Umkreis von 50m um den Punkt X, mit Inschrift...). Oder es gibt kein identifizierendes Merkmal, weil da eben drei Parkbanke stehen und alle gleich sind - aber *dann* gibt es auch keinen Anlass, auf speziell eine der drei verlinken zu wollen. Da waeren uebrigens noch allerhand interessante Sperenzchen denkbar - man koennte z.B. auch einen Link setzen auf eine Gruppe von 3-5 Parkbaenken in der unmittelbaren Naehe der Position X oder so etwas. Und wie gesagt, man koennte ja staendig automatische Analysen machen und diese Links aufloesen, und in einer Datenbank das Aufloese-Ergebnis festhalten und Aenderungen visualisieren - die Permanent-ID X, der folgende Abfrage hinterlegt ist und die 17mal pro Woche nachgefragt wird, ergab gestern noch die OSM-ID A als Resultat, heute ergab sie B. Solche IDs koennten sogar geflaggt werden als muesste mal ein Mensch kontrollieren. Das ist doch ein viel maechtigeres Konzept, als OSM seine eigenen IDs aufzubuerden. Vorallem laesst es auf besere Weise Raum fuer Wettbewerb - wenn der Betreiber der Link-Datenbank schlurt, dann kann jemand anders die Datenbank komplett kopieren und eine eigene Version davon betreiben, ohne dass man jetzt in OSM alle linkedosmdb-Tags noch kopieren muss auf freelinkdb oder was auch immer ;) Eine offene Frage bleibt für mich: Was als Projekt-ID sinnvoller ist: Sollen nebst linkedosmdb_id=... weitere Keys zugelassen sein (gegeben sie sind ebenfalls nicht-zusammengesetzt und als ID erkennbar und erheben ebenfalls den Anspruch, stabil zu sein, wie eben bestimmte Objekt mit name=...) ? Wie gesagt, fuer mich ist die Gesamtheit aller Eigenschaften der potentielle Key eines Objekts, und wenn diese Gesamtheit nicht ausreicht, um das Objekt zu identifizieren, dann ist dieses Objekt auch nicht des Identifizierens wuerdig. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] LinkedOSMDB (War: Permanente/stabile OSM IDs!)
Hallo, Am 24. Juli 2012 23:55 schrieb Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hallo, On 24.07.2012 23:12, Stefan Keller wrote: Ein Vorschlag geht offenbar in Richtung fuzzy links bzw. semantische ID. Dabei spielt ein Mapper den Identifizierer und definiert und speichert eine Query (z.B. ref+network) auf OSM Objekte (vgl. dazu http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Query-to-map). Das ist schon mal ein guter Ansatz (z.B. ist name=Matterhorn weltweit wohl eindeutig für ein bestimmtes Objekt der Realität). Er ist gut und genügt ev. für query-to-map-Anwendungen. Er ist aber für die oben erwähnten Anwendungsfälle nicht hinreichend, denn er deckt nur einen Teil von OSM Objekten ab: Was ist mit Parkbänken und Briefkästen. Ich denke, dann muss man an diesem Konzept noch verfeinern. Als Verbesserung schlage ich vor, dass die ID potentiell für jedes OSM Objekt einsetzbar ist und als ID erkennbar sein soll. Das finde ich nicht gut. Ich denke, die Link-Datenbank kann auch Parkbaenke identifizieren mit einer Anfrage wie: Diejenige amenity=bench, die dem Punkt lat=y,lon=x am naechsten ist. - in dem Fall ist eine Punktposition Teil des hinterlegten Links, was ich aber gar nicht schlecht finde, selbst bei sowas wie Matterhorn, einfach um eine groessere Stabilitaet auch gegenueber Spaesschen (jemand erfindet eine Insel in der Suedsee und taggt dort ein natural=peak name=Matterhorn) gewappnet zu sein. Gute Idee, sich gegen solche Spaesschen zu wappnen. Ich habe einfach Bedenken mit Koordinaten arbeiten. Die machen fast noch grösseren Kummer als die OSM-ID. Dann kann die LinkedOSMDB ja gleich bei der OSM-ID bleiben und versuchen, diese bzw. das dazugehörige Objekt zu tracken (das meine ich nicht abwertend). Natuerlich sind solche Links dann unter Umstaenden nicht mehr garantiert eindeutig, aber: Entweder gibt es kein identifizierendes Merkmal, z.B. man meint konkret die Parkbank mit der Plakette gestiftet von Dr. Mueller, dann sollte man *das* in OSM taggen (inscription=gestiftet...) und dann kann man darauf auch einen Link setzen (eine Parkbank im Umkreis von 50m um den Punkt X, mit Inschrift...). Oder es gibt kein identifizierendes Merkmal, weil da eben drei Parkbanke stehen und alle gleich sind - aber *dann* gibt es auch keinen Anlass, auf speziell eine der drei verlinken zu wollen. Diese Relevanz-These scheint mir etwas gewagt: Wieso sollte ich als für die Erhaltung der Parkbänke verantwortliche Parkverwaltung zwei nebeneinander stehende knallrote Parkbänke (ohne Plakette) nicht verlinken wollen? Da waeren uebrigens noch allerhand interessante Sperenzchen denkbar - man koennte z.B. auch einen Link setzen auf eine Gruppe von 3-5 Parkbaenken in der unmittelbaren Naehe der Position X oder so etwas. Und wie gesagt, man koennte ja staendig automatische Analysen machen und diese Links aufloesen, und in einer Datenbank das Aufloese-Ergebnis festhalten und Aenderungen visualisieren - die Permanent-ID X, der folgende Abfrage hinterlegt ist und die 17mal pro Woche nachgefragt wird, ergab gestern noch die OSM-ID A als Resultat, heute ergab sie B. Solche IDs koennten sogar geflaggt werden als muesste mal ein Mensch kontrollieren. Stimmt. Gute Ideen. Das ist doch ein viel maechtigeres Konzept, als OSM seine eigenen IDs aufzubuerden. Vorallem laesst es auf besere Weise Raum fuer Wettbewerb - wenn der Betreiber der Link-Datenbank schlurt, dann kann jemand anders die Datenbank komplett kopieren und eine eigene Version davon betreiben, ohne dass man jetzt in OSM alle linkedosmdb-Tags noch kopieren muss auf freelinkdb oder was auch immer ;) Guter Punkt. Um dem vorzubeugen würde ich als LinkedOSMDB-Betreiber die ID-Werte analog dem TOID und Swiss-OID-Prinzip definieren. Das verhindert, dass zwei DBs dieselbe ID-Werte zweimal vergeben. Andererseits lässt sich das Umkopieren und Ergänzen nur verhindern wenn die neue freelinkdb genau denselben geografischen Bereich umfasst. Deckt die freelinkdb einen grösseren Bereich ab, ist etwas was vorher eindeutig war, plötzlich nicht mehr unbedingt so (z.B. ist name=Stuttgart für Deutschland wohl eindeutig, weltweit aber nicht mehr). Eine offene Frage bleibt für mich: Was als Projekt-ID sinnvoller ist: Sollen nebst linkedosmdb_id=... weitere Keys zugelassen sein (gegeben sie sind ebenfalls nicht-zusammengesetzt und als ID erkennbar und erheben ebenfalls den Anspruch, stabil zu sein, wie eben bestimmte Objekt mit name=...) ? Wie gesagt, fuer mich ist die Gesamtheit aller Eigenschaften der potentielle Key eines Objekts, und wenn diese Gesamtheit nicht ausreicht, um das Objekt zu identifizieren, dann ist dieses Objekt auch nicht des Identifizierens wuerdig. Wie oben gesagt, finde ich die Relevanz-These (identifizierwürdige-Parkbänke-müssen-ein-besonderes-Merkmal-haben) etwas gewagt. Die Gesamtheit aller Eigenschaften, sprich Tags, kann doch im selben Objekt über die Zeit variieren, ohne dass sich das Objekt der Realität auch nur im
[osm-ve] walking papers
Hola a todos, Si van a trabajar con walking papers revisar la página del wiki de OSM [1] ya que ahora han cambiado de walking paper a Field papers[2]. Creo que todavía no está listo el pluging de field papers para el JOSM así que mejor hacer una prueba pequeña del funcionamiento antes de ponerse a recolectar data y luego no tener una manera fácil de llevarla al mapa. Yo estuve con la gente de OSM en Barcelona (España) mapeando el Zoo y entregamos field papers a los participantes del evento pero creo que no se ha podido subir la data por que falta el pluging. Lo que hay del zoo de Barcelona es lo que hemos puesto los que fuimos con nuestros GPS. [1]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Walking_Papers [2]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Field_Papers -- Saludos, Bolo www.geoinquiets.cat ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve
Re: [osm-ve] Maracay Mapa Borrado
Buenas Tardes Pues revisando los sitios en los que he ayudado un poco me doy cuenta que tiene que ser la licencia y no vandalismo. Por ejemplo cuando empece a trabajar en El Limon (Maracay) solo habia alli tres avenidas, Universidad, Caracas y Principal. Por no eliminar y agregar otra vez (en ese momento me parecio lo correcto) adapte mis datos, y lo existente lo modifique para acercarlo a la realidad. Salvo La avenida Universidad que por ser tan larga me iba a dar mas dolores de cabeza arreglarla que hacerla de nuevo. Si revisamos el mapa del El Limon http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=10.30604lon=-67.62922zoom=15layers=M Faltan precisamente las avenidas Caracas y Principal del limon. El resto es mio :-). La data existente en aquel momento debio pertenecer a alguien que no acepto la licencia ODbL y por lo tanto se borró. Casos similares he visto en otras zonas de Maracay-Palo Negro-Cagua donde tambien ocurrio. De haberlo sabido En estos momentos no puedo colaborar mucho por problemas de tiempo, sin embargo hare un esfuerzo por arreglar lo que pueda de las zonas que mas conozco. Saludos Virgilio Ramos Afortunadamente si hay buenas imagenes de bing en Maracay. Otra ciudad que recuperar. El 22 de julio de 2012 19:14, hyan...@gmail.com hyan...@gmail.comescribió: Maracay tiene cobertura Bing. El día 22 de julio de 2012 18:40, hyan...@gmail.com hyan...@gmail.com escribió: Enlace permanente (permanent link) de Maracay http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=10.2435lon=-67.6004zoom=12layers=M Para obtenerlo hay que dar click al enlace en la parte inferior-derecha del mapa. El día 22 de julio de 2012 17:54, J. Hernán Ramírez R. hernan.rami...@gmail.com escribió: Haz un zoom de la zona y envía el link para revisar -- Salva un árbol. No imprimas este correo a menos que sea realmente necesario. - J. Hernán Ramírez R Blog - Linux User #97.898 - Twitter @HernanRamriez Mapas Libres OpenStreetmap Venezuela - 2012/7/22 J. Rojas rojas...@gmail.com Ok fijandome en otra zona tenemos el mismo inconveniente que con La Victoria, en este caso les dejo el Link Maracay para que observen que tambien cierta data ha sido eliminada. creo que hemos perdido informacion en otra zona hay que seguir chequeando. -- J. Rojas ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve -- J. Rojas ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve
Re: [osm-ve] Maracay Mapa Borrado
Hola, Si, eso era a lo que me referia, me parecia demasiada casualidad que todo pase al mismo tiempo en dos versiones de OSM distintas. En todo caso, que lastima todo lo que se perdio. Saludos, Carmen 2012/7/24 vra...@geocad.com.ve: Buenas Tardes Pues revisando los sitios en los que he ayudado un poco me doy cuenta que tiene que ser la licencia y no vandalismo. Por ejemplo cuando empece a trabajar en El Limon (Maracay) solo habia alli tres avenidas, Universidad, Caracas y Principal. Por no eliminar y agregar otra vez (en ese momento me parecio lo correcto) adapte mis datos, y lo existente lo modifique para acercarlo a la realidad. Salvo La avenida Universidad que por ser tan larga me iba a dar mas dolores de cabeza arreglarla que hacerla de nuevo. Si revisamos el mapa del El Limon http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=10.30604lon=-67.62922zoom=15layers=M Faltan precisamente las avenidas Caracas y Principal del limon. El resto es mio :-). La data existente en aquel momento debio pertenecer a alguien que no acepto la licencia ODbL y por lo tanto se borró. Casos similares he visto en otras zonas de Maracay-Palo Negro-Cagua donde tambien ocurrio. De haberlo sabido En estos momentos no puedo colaborar mucho por problemas de tiempo, sin embargo hare un esfuerzo por arreglar lo que pueda de las zonas que mas conozco. Saludos Virgilio Ramos Afortunadamente si hay buenas imagenes de bing en Maracay. Otra ciudad que recuperar. El 22 de julio de 2012 19:14, hyan...@gmail.com hyan...@gmail.comescribió: Maracay tiene cobertura Bing. El día 22 de julio de 2012 18:40, hyan...@gmail.com hyan...@gmail.com escribió: Enlace permanente (permanent link) de Maracay http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=10.2435lon=-67.6004zoom=12layers=M Para obtenerlo hay que dar click al enlace en la parte inferior-derecha del mapa. El día 22 de julio de 2012 17:54, J. Hernán Ramírez R. hernan.rami...@gmail.com escribió: Haz un zoom de la zona y envía el link para revisar -- Salva un árbol. No imprimas este correo a menos que sea realmente necesario. - J. Hernán Ramírez R Blog - Linux User #97.898 - Twitter @HernanRamriez Mapas Libres OpenStreetmap Venezuela - 2012/7/22 J. Rojas rojas...@gmail.com Ok fijandome en otra zona tenemos el mismo inconveniente que con La Victoria, en este caso les dejo el Link Maracay para que observen que tambien cierta data ha sido eliminada. creo que hemos perdido informacion en otra zona hay que seguir chequeando. -- J. Rojas ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve -- J. Rojas ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve
Re: [Talk-it] Boundaries
Il 22 luglio 2012 22:16, Alexander Roalter alexan...@roalter.it ha scritto: Mi sai dire quali comuni altoatesini mancano? Non ho accesso a un shape-file, ma un server WMS della provincia con le confini comunali (e partemente anche le confini dei frazioni (se sono stati comuni autonomi [] Chiedo scusa, si è trattato di un mio errore, i confini altoatesini sono a posto. C'erano delle way non taggate come boundary=administrative ma correttamente inserite nella relativa relation, e lo script che uso per controllare i confini non le considerava. Penso comunque di procedere all'import dei dati istat 2011 in versione non generalizzata, sono molto più precisi rispetto a quelli del 2001. PS: attenzione con il server wms della provincia, nei metadati di parecchi layer (compreso quello delle unità amministrative) c'è scritto Modello dati ancora proprietario. -- * Matteo Gottardi | matg...@tin.it * ICQ UIN 20381372 * Linux - the choice of a GNU generation * GPG Fingerprint: * B9EE 108F 52C8 D50C B667 B1F2 AB56 8A01 BA3D 36A1 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Navit Map Conversion Warnings for Italy
si, e andrebbero sistemate. sono verosimilmente una conseguenza del licence bot che è passato scorsa settimana in italia. Ho chiesto a Rainer se pubblica costantemente una lista degli errori da qualche parte su internet, per averla sempre aggiornata. On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 3:28 PM, beppebo...@libero.it beppebo...@libero.it wrote: scusate ma cosa significa? mancano tutte ste cose? Messaggio originale Da: erfab...@gmail.com Data: 23/07/2012 13.10 A: openstreetmap list - italianotalk-it@openstreetmap.org Ogg: Re: [Talk-it] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Navit Map Conversion Warnings for Italy Buono a sapersi. ps: il tizio è quello che mantiene la repo di Navit per maemo/N900 Il 22/07/2012 20:19, Simone Cortesi ha scritto: apparso sulla lista internazionale... -- Forwarded message -- From: Rainer Dorsch m...@bokomoko.de Date: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 8:10 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Navit Map Conversion Warnings for Italy To: t...@openstreetmap.org Hello, I post here a number of warning I saw for Italy, when converting the map for navit: OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/73035 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/87285 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/87286 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/104634 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/106389 turn restriction: multiple from members OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/106390 turn restriction: multiple to members OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/116839 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/116842 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/139179 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/149186 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/163277 turn restriction: via member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/165260 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/166062 turn restriction: to member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/166650 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/167710 turn restriction: to member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/184122 turn restriction: multiple from members OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/240760 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/269857 turn restriction: via member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/269995 turn restriction: to member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/269997 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/278289 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/286106 turn restriction: to member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/357251 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/365763 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/373729 turn restriction: to member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/383988 turn restriction: to member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/384649 turn restriction: to member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/399283 turn restriction: via member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/446249 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/446250 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/446808 turn restriction: to member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/536898 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/557868 turn restriction: from member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/557870 turn restriction: to member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/557874 turn restriction: to member missing OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/570788 turn restriction: multiple via member OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/898237 turn restriction: multiple to members OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/915395 turn restriction: multiple
[Talk-it] Risultati curiosi dopo la redaction del bot
Stavo guardando la mappa di Novara, quando ho visto questo: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.45578lon=8.60292zoom=17layers=M Già mi immagino i macchinisti che affrontano il tratto guidato e si superano l'un l'altro all'interno della staccata del tornantino :-D Avete visto anche voi qualche risultato divertente della pulizia del bot? Fateceli vedere! Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Boundaries
Am 24.07.2012 08:18, schrieb Matteo Gottardi: Il 22 luglio 2012 22:16, Alexander Roalter alexan...@roalter.it ha scritto: PS: attenzione con il server wms della provincia, nei metadati di parecchi layer (compreso quello delle unità amministrative) c'è scritto Modello dati ancora proprietario. Ok, l'ho appena visto. Un'altra cosa: quale miglioramento si può aspettare dagli nuovi dati ISTAT? Per esempio qui alla confine Chienes/San Lorenzo (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.78733lon=11.86212zoom=17layers=M) c'è una tratta che si estende per circa 250x50 metri a est, e che non è visibile nel layer dell unità amministrative, ma guardando nel catastro, si vede che quel pezzo fa parte delle parcelle 293 e 198/1 del comune di chienes (o meglio: comune catastale di casteldarne). Una parcella può trovarsi solo in un comune, così questo pezzo come si trova adesso a OSM è corretto. E un'ultima domanda: è ragionevole usare i fiumi come membro della relazione se il fiume è parte integrale della definizione del confine? I.E. se il fiume cambiasse il suo percorso, anche la confine dovrebbe cambiare? Questo, almeno nel XIX secolo (e forse anche nel XX secolo) era il caso con il confine tra vipiteno e stilves/campo trens. -- cheers, Alex ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Gallerie commerciali
Io metterei footway. È quello che sono: dei percorsi pedonali. Pedestrian fa più zona pedonale, una strada che è chiusa al traffico veicolare regolare. Ad esempio, su una footway di norma non mi aspetto di trovare il nome della strada o dei numeri civici (ci sono eccezioni). Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Gallerie commerciali
Am 24.07.2012 14:20, schrieb Simone Saviolo: Io metterei footway. È quello che sono: dei percorsi pedonali. Pedestrian fa più zona pedonale, una strada che è chiusa al traffico veicolare regolare. Ad esempio, su una footway di norma non mi aspetto di trovare il nome della strada o dei numeri civici (ci sono eccezioni). Ciao, Simone Poi mi sembra anche che a pedestrian almeno in teoria è possibile andarci in macchina, mentre con footway aspetto una strada di dimensione ridotte, dove non è possibile fisicamente passare con la macchina (eccetto i Blues Brothers) -- cheers, Alex ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Boundaries
On 24/07/2012 12:37, Alexander Roalter wrote: E un'ultima domanda: è ragionevole usare i fiumi come membro della relazione se il fiume è parte integrale della definizione del confine? I.E. se il fiume cambiasse il suo percorso, anche la confine dovrebbe cambiare? Sì. Carlo -- .' `. | Registered Linux User #443882 |a_a | | http://counter.li.org/ .''`. \_)__/ +--- : :' : /( )\ ---+ `. `'` |\`/\ Registered Debian User #9 | `- \_|=='|_/ http://debiancounter.altervista.org/ | ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Gallerie commerciali
On 2012-07-24 at 14:20:06 +0200, Simone Saviolo wrote: Io metterei footway. È quello che sono: dei percorsi pedonali. Pedestrian fa più zona pedonale, una strada che è chiusa al traffico veicolare regolare. Ad esempio, su una footway di norma non mi aspetto di trovare il nome della strada o dei numeri civici (ci sono eccezioni). e per contro, in una pedestrian mi aspetto di poter incontrare un'ambulanza (spero raramente). -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Download xml fermate autobus Atac
Salve a tutti, visto che mi sono rimesso a lavoro per la mia Tesi di Laurea vi inoltro nuovamente la domanda. E' possibile fare un download di tutte le fermate che un autobus incontra con la propria tratta in formato XML? Per fare un esempio concreto, per la linea 786 il formato XML dei nodi (come stop) ma comprensivi dei dati come nome, id della fermata, latitudine e longitudine node id=1640387735 lat=41.9041585 lon=12.4436047 version=1 timestamp=2012-02-20T12:09:25Z changeset=10739808 uid=217070 user= Davio tag k=highway v=bus_stop/ tag k=name v=Valle Aurelia/ tag k=ref v=72274/ /node Ho trovato la seguente pagine nel wiki http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1692857 ma nel fare il download del file xml non ho le informazioni come il tag ref che è essenziale per quello che mi serve. Se devo costruirmelo da zero mi metto a lavoro, ma vorrei sapere se c'è un modo per farlo fare al Server ;). Grazie e resto in attesa 2012/5/16 Daniele Palla Palladino pa...@danielepalladino.it Forse non mi sono spiegato o forse non ho capito io la tua risposta. A me servirebbe un xml che mi dica le fermate dell'autobus di una certa linea della linea XYZ Le informazioni che mi prendo nel modo che mi dici ce le ho già avendo fatto una query a overpass per tutte le fermate di roma 2012/5/16 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Se chiedi ad Overpass con network=ATAC dovresti trovare tutto. Altrimenti potresti prendere un estratto del Lazio (da GFOSS) e filtrare secondo un bounding box ed i tags che ti interessano (highway=bus_stop e public_transport...) ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Daniele Palla Palladino http://www.danielepalladino.it/ -- Daniele Palla Palladino http://www.danielepalladino.it/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Download xml fermate autobus Atac
Se non erro Martin ti aveva risposto usando le OverPassAPI Tra l'altro, dal tuo primo post, sono migliorate parecchio. Se poi la cosa non ti garba, allora ti consiglio di andare di Osmium e di farti il parser dell'area che ti interessa, oppure configurare osm2pgsql scaricando il file .xml dal planet o prendendo la parte che riguarda il lazio dal sito di gfoss.it e successivamente ritagliarlo usando osmosis sulla zona che ti interessa. Ciao 2012/7/24 Daniele Palla Palladino pa...@danielepalladino.it: Salve a tutti, visto che mi sono rimesso a lavoro per la mia Tesi di Laurea vi inoltro nuovamente la domanda. E' possibile fare un download di tutte le fermate che un autobus incontra con la propria tratta in formato XML? Per fare un esempio concreto, per la linea 786 il formato XML dei nodi (come stop) ma comprensivi dei dati come nome, id della fermata, latitudine e longitudine node id=1640387735 lat=41.9041585 lon=12.4436047 version=1 timestamp=2012-02-20T12:09:25Z changeset=10739808 uid=217070 user=Davio tag k=highway v=bus_stop/ tag k=name v=Valle Aurelia/ tag k=ref v=72274/ /node Ho trovato la seguente pagine nel wiki http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1692857 ma nel fare il download del file xml non ho le informazioni come il tag ref che è essenziale per quello che mi serve. Se devo costruirmelo da zero mi metto a lavoro, ma vorrei sapere se c'è un modo per farlo fare al Server ;). Grazie e resto in attesa 2012/5/16 Daniele Palla Palladino pa...@danielepalladino.it Forse non mi sono spiegato o forse non ho capito io la tua risposta. A me servirebbe un xml che mi dica le fermate dell'autobus di una certa linea della linea XYZ Le informazioni che mi prendo nel modo che mi dici ce le ho già avendo fatto una query a overpass per tutte le fermate di roma 2012/5/16 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Se chiedi ad Overpass con network=ATAC dovresti trovare tutto. Altrimenti potresti prendere un estratto del Lazio (da GFOSS) e filtrare secondo un bounding box ed i tags che ti interessano (highway=bus_stop e public_transport...) ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Daniele Palla Palladino http://www.danielepalladino.it/ -- Daniele Palla Palladino http://www.danielepalladino.it/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Maurizio Napo Napolitano http://de.straba.us ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Risultati curiosi dopo la redaction del bot
2012/7/24 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com Stavo guardando la mappa di Novara, quando ho visto questo: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.45578lon=8.60292zoom=17layers=M Già mi immagino i macchinisti che affrontano il tratto guidato e si superano l'un l'altro all'interno della staccata del tornantino :-D Ah ah... tutti in piedi sul divano :) Avete visto anche voi qualche risultato divertente della pulizia del bot? Fateceli vedere! Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- == Our support, Your Success! Visit http://opensdi.geo-solutions.it for more information. == Ing. Daniele Romagnoli Senior Software Engineer GeoSolutions S.A.S. Via Poggio alle Viti 1187 55054 Massarosa (LU) Italy phone: +39 0584 962313 fax: +39 0584 962313 http://www.geo-solutions.it http://twitter.com/geosolutions_it --- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] traduzione bicycle_rental in josm
Il giorno 20 luglio 2012 18:18, Fabri erfab...@gmail.com ha scritto: Onde evitare che i nuovi utenti mappino i noleggiatori di bici come stazioni del bike sharing, non si potrebbe tradurre il preimpostato in Trasporto - Bici, come Stazione del Bike Sharing invece di Noleggio ? +1 -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Boundaries
Il 24/07/2012 15:03, Carlo Stemberger ha scritto: On 24/07/2012 12:37, Alexander Roalter wrote: E un'ultima domanda: è ragionevole usare i fiumi come membro della relazione se il fiume è parte integrale della definizione del confine? I.E. se il fiume cambiasse il suo percorso, anche la confine dovrebbe cambiare? Sì. A me (che spesso ho a che fare con questioni come queste per lavoro) risulta di no: il fiume cambia corso ma il confine rimane dov'è. Ma in molti tratti, dove il corso del fiume non è mutato, la risposta può essere sì: il confine si trova in mezzo al fiume, e nessuno ha mai messo dei termini per individuarlo con precisione, quindi la stessa linea può rappresentare il waterway=river e fare parte della relazione che individua il confine. Guido ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] distanze città italiane
Il giorno 24 luglio 2012 01:57, Carlo Stemberger carlo.stember...@gmail.com ha scritto: On 23/07/2012 20:05, Groppo O wrote: Altri casi si possono rintracciare dentro questa lista (aggiornata a ieri): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/User:Groppo/Motorway_e_** motorway_link_senza_oneway%3D*http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Groppo/Motorway_e_motorway_link_senza_oneway%3D* Dalla lista toglierei le rotonde: lo so che i default sarebbero da evitare, ma in questo caso il default oneway=yes è uno dei pochissimi noto a tutti e da tutti rispettato. Quando ne trovate una cancellate pure la riga, o se preferite aggiungete Rotonda nella colonna Note, come è stato fatto. Ciao, Groppo Grazie per l'elenco! Carlo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Gallerie commerciali
Vedo che la tendenza è di taggare questi casi come footway. Grazie a tutti per le risposte. Ciao, Groppo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Boundaries
Il 24 luglio 2012 12:37, Alexander Roalter alexan...@roalter.it ha scritto: Un'altra cosa: quale miglioramento si può aspettare dagli nuovi dati ISTAT? I nuovi dati sono molto più particolareggiati rispetto a quelli attuali. Ho messo su http://www.gomatteo.net/new.gpx.gz e http://www.gomatteo.net/old.gpx.gz i confini nuovi e quelli correnti. Se provi a confrontarli ti rendi conto di come i vecchi siano molto approssimativi, mentre i nuovi seguono spesso elementi naturali (come fiumi o creste) o artificiali (es. strade). Una parcella può trovarsi solo in un comune, così questo pezzo come si trova adesso a OSM è corretto. Non ne sono sicuro al 100%, ma credo che una particella possa trovarsi in un solo comune _catastale_, ma non è detto che quest'ultimo coincida con quello amministrativo. Comunque è possibilissimo che si tratti di un errore/approssimazione dei confini istat. E un'ultima domanda: è ragionevole usare i fiumi come membro della relazione se il fiume è parte integrale della definizione del confine? I.E. se il fiume cambiasse il suo percorso, anche la confine dovrebbe cambiare? Questo, Credo sia corretto inserirlo nella relazione: se il fiume demarca un confine, è giusto che confine e fiume coincidano topologicamente. Nel caso il fiume cambiasse il suo corso, non ho idea di cosa succederebbe ai confini :) Ciao, Teo -- * Matteo Gottardi | matg...@tin.it * ICQ UIN 20381372 * Linux - the choice of a GNU generation * GPG Fingerprint: * B9EE 108F 52C8 D50C B667 B1F2 AB56 8A01 BA3D 36A1 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Download xml fermate autobus Atac
Nell'xml completo della relazione dovresti trovare tutto: http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/relation/1692857/full Su github, se ti interessa, trovi il codice in Java che ho usato usato/uso per sincronizzare il gtfs di Torino che tra le tante cose (per fare la sincronizzazione) tiene i dati delle relazioni sincronizzate in formato osm con il db (senza scaricare tutto) che se ho ben capito è quello che ti serve Davide On Jul 24, 2012 4:37 PM, Daniele Palla Palladino pa...@danielepalladino.it wrote: Salve a tutti, visto che mi sono rimesso a lavoro per la mia Tesi di Laurea vi inoltro nuovamente la domanda. E' possibile fare un download di tutte le fermate che un autobus incontra con la propria tratta in formato XML? Per fare un esempio concreto, per la linea 786 il formato XML dei nodi (come stop) ma comprensivi dei dati come nome, id della fermata, latitudine e longitudine node id=1640387735 lat=41.9041585 lon=12.4436047 version=1 timestamp=2012-02-20T12:09:25Z changeset=10739808 uid=217070 user= Davio tag k=highway v=bus_stop/ tag k=name v=Valle Aurelia/ tag k=ref v=72274/ /node Ho trovato la seguente pagine nel wiki http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1692857 ma nel fare il download del file xml non ho le informazioni come il tag ref che è essenziale per quello che mi serve. Se devo costruirmelo da zero mi metto a lavoro, ma vorrei sapere se c'è un modo per farlo fare al Server ;). Grazie e resto in attesa 2012/5/16 Daniele Palla Palladino pa...@danielepalladino.it Forse non mi sono spiegato o forse non ho capito io la tua risposta. A me servirebbe un xml che mi dica le fermate dell'autobus di una certa linea della linea XYZ Le informazioni che mi prendo nel modo che mi dici ce le ho già avendo fatto una query a overpass per tutte le fermate di roma 2012/5/16 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Se chiedi ad Overpass con network=ATAC dovresti trovare tutto. Altrimenti potresti prendere un estratto del Lazio (da GFOSS) e filtrare secondo un bounding box ed i tags che ti interessano (highway=bus_stop e public_transport...) ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Daniele Palla Palladino http://www.danielepalladino.it/ -- Daniele Palla Palladino http://www.danielepalladino.it/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Boundaries
On 07/24/2012 09:35 PM, Matteo Gottardi wrote: Non ne sono sicuro al 100%, ma credo che una particella possa trovarsi in un solo comune _catastale_, ma non è detto che quest'ultimo coincida con quello amministrativo. Questo è un'ottimo argomento. Nel caso da me indicato, proprio non lo so, ma potrò chiedere a qualcuno, forse si può dare più luce a questo affare. -- Cheers, Alex ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-co] UN-SPIDER: ESA Call for study proposals: Improving disaster response capacity
-- Forwarded message -- From: Asjad Naqvi asjadna...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:22 AM Subject: [CrisisMappers] UN-SPIDER: ESA Call for study proposals: Improving disaster response capacity To: crisismapp...@googlegroups.com Saw it in the news feed today. Some of you might have already seen it so apologies for cross posting! Asjad http://www.un-spider.org/about-us/news/en/5835/2012-07-17t110500/esa-call-study-proposals-improving-disaster-response ESA's Integrated and Telecommunications related Applications Department (IAP) launched an open competitive Invitation to Tender (ITT) for Improving Disaster Response Capacity. It calls for feasibility study proposals aiming to satisfy the needs and constraints of the relevant users and other stakeholders and increase the efficiency and effectiveness of their operations through the use of integrated space-based applications and associated services. The specification of such integrated applications and associated services shall employ at least two different types of space assets such as Telecommunications, Earth Observation, and Navigation with existing terrestrial assets. The study shall also devise suitable mechanisms to enable rapid and guaranteed access to both leased and on-demand satellite communication capabilities. The proposed procedures must incorporate an improved procurement scheme for SatCom capacity and a viable and sustainable governance mechanism to support it. Furthermore, this effort aims at enhancing international collaboration preferably in cooperation with an international organisation dedicated to the use of space-based assets and applications for disaster management. It is intended, if successful, to be followed up by a Demonstration Project, in order to eventually establish a sustainable service solution to improve Disaster Response Capacity on a global scale. The competition closes on 3 October 2012. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CrisisMappers group. To post to this group, send email to crisismapp...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to crisismappers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/crisismappers?hl=en. -- Por favor, no me envíe documentos con extensiones .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, .mdb, mdbx OpenOffice es libre: se puede copiar, modificar y redistribuir libremente. Gratis y totalmente legal. http://GaleNUx.com es el sistema de información para la salud --///-- Teléfono USA: (347) 688-4473 (Google voice) skype: llamarafredyrivera ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Tasking Tool, Redaction Bot cleanup
Hi Brian, I would tend to agree with you. For HOT it may work well as most of that mapping is done from aerial imagery by people all over the world. However for organising local mapping efforts it doesn't work so well. One example is that you seem to have to divide up tasks by the map squares - you can't for example have a list of features to map (like we did with the allotments project). The current cake and wiki table system seems to work just as well (probably better) Rob On , Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rob Not very user friendly - I see there are 26 tasks but there's none showing on the map to click on. Randomly clicking on the map gives me a tile as a task and prompts me that the data will appear in JOSM if it's already running - it doesn't. Re-reading your mail I see it says select a square so this is probably how it works but it's not obvious on first use! Most of the stuff in West Brom lost on redaction is POIs which will require a ground survey - I replaced almost all the ways before April 1st Regards Brian On 23 July 2012 17:25, rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, As suggested I have signed up to the tasking tool and defined an area for West Bromwich to Wednesbury for redaction bot cleanup. If you are interested in getting involved, log in using your OSM details and select a square to work with: http://rebuild.poole.ch/job/24 The redaction bot has impacted on the following nodes/ways: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=redactionbotlon=-2.00656lat=52.53362zoom=13overlays=overview,bot_point_superseded,bot_line_superseded_cp,bot_line_superseded,bot_point_modified,bot_line_modified_cp,bot_line_modified,bot_point_deleted,bot_line_deleted_cp,bot_line_deleted Thoughts on the usefulness / lack of usefulness of this tasking tool are welcome (I already have some thoughts but will not bias your opinion at this stage). Regards, Rob ps I can set up new areas if anyone is interested. ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Extracting data from OSM (for use in JOSM or elsewhere)
Hi All, We have spoke about how to extract data from OSM in previous meetings. For example How do I get just the allotments in Coventry?. I have written up a diary entry that might help make this clearer: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/RobJN/diary/17325 Regards, Rob ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-se] Bostadsytor och lantgårdar
Hej Jag vet inte vad som är fel eller inte i detta fallet. Ville mest se om jag kunde göra en karta när trådstartaren skrev sitt första mail. Har dock kollat min query i databasen och den ger ungefär 5500 resultat så det är ju en del att gå igenom om man vill göra det. Dock de röda byggnaderna=building=yes och landuse=residential är la fel sätt att tagga? Dock vet jag inget som blir fel av att tagga så så att fixa det känns kanske lite lågprioriterat? MvH Tobias Den 23 juli 2012 10:45 skrev Anders Arnholm and...@arnholm.se: Joakim Fors skrev 2012-07-23 10:13: Jag tycker nog det är korrekt att tagga ensamstående hus gårdsplan som landuse=residential. Det är snarare landuse=farmyard som är ett specialfall om det bedrivs (jordbuks)verksamhet dä Fritidshus, torp och annat som inte är aktiva lantbruk borde om jag fattat det rätt vara landuse=residential. An area of land with farm buildings like farmhouse, dwellings, farmsteads, sheeds, stables, barns, equipment sheds, feed bunkers, etc. plus the open space in between them and the shrubbery/trees around them. These areas are often fenced in. (american english: barnyard) Farmyard passar inte alls på villor och torp ute i skogen som Sverige är fullt av. ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-se] Köpa en riktig GPS
Tack för all input! Även om det verkar vara en bra idé att köpa en handhållen gps på sikt känner jag inte för att lägga ut de pengarna i dagsläget. Att köra en gps-logger med blåtand kopplad till mobilen känns mest attraktivt just nu i och med att det går att använda den istället för inbyggda enligt tipset på app av Stefan Henrikson. Det känns faktiskt som att vinsten med att köra helt handburen gps blir ganska liten jämfört med att köra separat gps via bt till Smartphone som har bra kartappar. Telefonen jag har (SGS3) har dessutom riktigt bra batteritid så det är lugnt att använda inbyggda gps:en på den i tid och otid också om man vill det. Tack än en gång för alla tips! Mvh Björn Lindahl http://lindahl.net/+ 2012/7/24 Kristoffer Malmström mit...@gmail.com§§ Jag tycker att trådstartaren var inne på en bra linje. Att använda en extern blutooth gps är ingen dum idé, det är billigt och duger minst lika bra som en handburen gps. Du kan dessutom ha den i fickan eller lös i bilen och kan fortfarande använda alla smarta funktioner i din telefon, som inte finns i en handburen gps. Batteri-tiden brukar dessutom bli väldigt mycket bättre i telefonen om man använder en bt gps istället för den interna och bt gps'ers batteri håller oftast flera dagar beroende på hur mycket man använder den såklart. Kan tyvärr inte rekommendera någon bt gps själv förutom att ta valfri av dessa http://www.prisjakt.nu/kategori.php?l=s90649539 / Kristoffer (Malmis) bengt bäverman skrev 2012-07-23 23:59: Jag har haft flera olika handhållna GPS:er från både Garmin och Magellan. Alla dessa har varit mycket bättre än den jag har i min iPhone. Noggrannheten är väldigt mycket bättre. Både när det gäller att hitta en viss punkt i verkligheten (som vid Geocaching) och när det gäller att logga ett spår. Jag kan använda min eTrex 30 hela dagen på en sats batterier och logga en punkt varje sekund. Noggrannheten är nästan alltid 3 meter och ibland ännu noggrannare. Det är rätt ofta som min iPhone är lite vilsen när det inte är öppen terräng med god sikt söderut mot sateliterna. Jag kan inte nog rekommendera en egen handhållen GPS om man känner sig lite mer seriös när det gäller att skapa kartor. vänligen Bengt B Den 23 juli 2012 23:37 skrev Christian Asker christian.as...@gmail.com : Hallå. Jag köpte en Garmin eTrex 30 för två veckor sedan och är mycket nöjd. Batteritiden är bra, man kan lägga in egna kartor (tex OSM) och en hel del annat smått och gott. Men det jag gillar bäst är att GPS-mottagningen är bra och ganska okänslig för om man är i skog osv. Apparaten tar emot signaler både från GPS och Glonass, vilket ger ökad noggrannhet för det mesta. Den kostar en slant (ca 2100) men jag tycker den är klart prisvärd! Jag använde tidigare en smartphone (X10 mini), men skillnaden mot en riktig GPS är stor, särskilt som jag ofta mappar stigar i skogen. Min första riktiga GPS är en Garmin Foretrex 301 som kostar runt 1200. Det är en handleds-GPS, men har hyfsad mottagning. Den är dock något sämre än eTrex 30. Funkar bra till OSM-mappning, samtidigt som man kan ha den till löpning. Mvh Christian 2012-07-23 11:43, Björn Lindahl skrev: Ursäkta om det är en fråga som anses ha ställts allt för många gånger men det är lite förvirrande att hitta vettig och produktinformation som är up-to-date när man söker. Min Samsung Galaxy S3 ger ganska mediokra loggar ibland och skulle därför vilja ha en hyfsad gps-logger att ha som referens. Jag är dock inte villig att lägga ner några större pengar på en, ca max 1000kr. Går det att hitta en, gärna med bluetooth för det priset eller behöver man gå upp i pris för att hitta en som ger bra precision? Ska man leta efter gps:er med specifika gps-chip eller vad är viktiga faktorer att titta efter? Jag såg någon tipsa om en Holux M-241 någonstans, är det en av de bättre budget-gps:erna? Tack på förhand. ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-se] Köpa en riktig GPS
Garmin släppte ju nyss en rätt intressant pryl: https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=109827 Lär ska komma på marknaden någon gång i augusti för under 1000 kr. Vet sen inte hur det är med precisionen i praktiken men alltid trevligt med många punkter så man i alla fall kan få ett bättre medelvärde. /Joakim On 24 jul 2012, at 11:30, Björn Lindahl wrote: Tack för all input! Även om det verkar vara en bra idé att köpa en handhållen gps på sikt känner jag inte för att lägga ut de pengarna i dagsläget. Att köra en gps-logger med blåtand kopplad till mobilen känns mest attraktivt just nu i och med att det går att använda den istället för inbyggda enligt tipset på app av Stefan Henrikson. Det känns faktiskt som att vinsten med att köra helt handburen gps blir ganska liten jämfört med att köra separat gps via bt till Smartphone som har bra kartappar. Telefonen jag har (SGS3) har dessutom riktigt bra batteritid så det är lugnt att använda inbyggda gps:en på den i tid och otid också om man vill det. Tack än en gång för alla tips! Mvh Björn Lindahl http://lindahl.net/+ 2012/7/24 Kristoffer Malmström mit...@gmail.com§§ Jag tycker att trådstartaren var inne på en bra linje. Att använda en extern blutooth gps är ingen dum idé, det är billigt och duger minst lika bra som en handburen gps. Du kan dessutom ha den i fickan eller lös i bilen och kan fortfarande använda alla smarta funktioner i din telefon, som inte finns i en handburen gps. Batteri-tiden brukar dessutom bli väldigt mycket bättre i telefonen om man använder en bt gps istället för den interna och bt gps'ers batteri håller oftast flera dagar beroende på hur mycket man använder den såklart. Kan tyvärr inte rekommendera någon bt gps själv förutom att ta valfri av dessa http://www.prisjakt.nu/kategori.php?l=s90649539 / Kristoffer (Malmis) bengt bäverman skrev 2012-07-23 23:59: Jag har haft flera olika handhållna GPS:er från både Garmin och Magellan. Alla dessa har varit mycket bättre än den jag har i min iPhone. Noggrannheten är väldigt mycket bättre. Både när det gäller att hitta en viss punkt i verkligheten (som vid Geocaching) och när det gäller att logga ett spår. Jag kan använda min eTrex 30 hela dagen på en sats batterier och logga en punkt varje sekund. Noggrannheten är nästan alltid 3 meter och ibland ännu noggrannare. Det är rätt ofta som min iPhone är lite vilsen när det inte är öppen terräng med god sikt söderut mot sateliterna. Jag kan inte nog rekommendera en egen handhållen GPS om man känner sig lite mer seriös när det gäller att skapa kartor. vänligen Bengt B Den 23 juli 2012 23:37 skrev Christian Asker christian.as...@gmail.com: Hallå. Jag köpte en Garmin eTrex 30 för två veckor sedan och är mycket nöjd. Batteritiden är bra, man kan lägga in egna kartor (tex OSM) och en hel del annat smått och gott. Men det jag gillar bäst är att GPS-mottagningen är bra och ganska okänslig för om man är i skog osv. Apparaten tar emot signaler både från GPS och Glonass, vilket ger ökad noggrannhet för det mesta. Den kostar en slant (ca 2100) men jag tycker den är klart prisvärd! Jag använde tidigare en smartphone (X10 mini), men skillnaden mot en riktig GPS är stor, särskilt som jag ofta mappar stigar i skogen. Min första riktiga GPS är en Garmin Foretrex 301 som kostar runt 1200. Det är en handleds-GPS, men har hyfsad mottagning. Den är dock något sämre än eTrex 30. Funkar bra till OSM-mappning, samtidigt som man kan ha den till löpning. Mvh Christian 2012-07-23 11:43, Björn Lindahl skrev: Ursäkta om det är en fråga som anses ha ställts allt för många gånger men det är lite förvirrande att hitta vettig och produktinformation som är up-to-date när man söker. Min Samsung Galaxy S3 ger ganska mediokra loggar ibland och skulle därför vilja ha en hyfsad gps-logger att ha som referens. Jag är dock inte villig att lägga ner några större pengar på en, ca max 1000kr. Går det att hitta en, gärna med bluetooth för det priset eller behöver man gå upp i pris för att hitta en som ger bra precision? Ska man leta efter gps:er med specifika gps-chip eller vad är viktiga faktorer att titta efter? Jag såg någon tipsa om en Holux M-241 någonstans, är det en av de bättre budget-gps:erna? Tack på förhand. ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Talk-se] Köpa en riktig GPS
Intressant. Tack för tipset angående GLO från Garmin. Ska hålla ögonen på den när det närmar sig. Med vänlig hälsning -- Christoffer Holmstedt Den 24 juli 2012 11:39 skrev Joakim Fors joa...@joakimfors.org: Garmin släppte ju nyss en rätt intressant pryl: https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=109827 Lär ska komma på marknaden någon gång i augusti för under 1000 kr. Vet sen inte hur det är med precisionen i praktiken men alltid trevligt med många punkter så man i alla fall kan få ett bättre medelvärde. /Joakim On 24 jul 2012, at 11:30, Björn Lindahl wrote: Tack för all input! Även om det verkar vara en bra idé att köpa en handhållen gps på sikt känner jag inte för att lägga ut de pengarna i dagsläget. Att köra en gps-logger med blåtand kopplad till mobilen känns mest attraktivt just nu i och med att det går att använda den istället för inbyggda enligt tipset på app av Stefan Henrikson. Det känns faktiskt som att vinsten med att köra helt handburen gps blir ganska liten jämfört med att köra separat gps via bt till Smartphone som har bra kartappar. Telefonen jag har (SGS3) har dessutom riktigt bra batteritid så det är lugnt att använda inbyggda gps:en på den i tid och otid också om man vill det. Tack än en gång för alla tips! Mvh Björn Lindahl http://lindahl.net/+ 2012/7/24 Kristoffer Malmström mit...@gmail.com§§ Jag tycker att trådstartaren var inne på en bra linje. Att använda en extern blutooth gps är ingen dum idé, det är billigt och duger minst lika bra som en handburen gps. Du kan dessutom ha den i fickan eller lös i bilen och kan fortfarande använda alla smarta funktioner i din telefon, som inte finns i en handburen gps. Batteri-tiden brukar dessutom bli väldigt mycket bättre i telefonen om man använder en bt gps istället för den interna och bt gps'ers batteri håller oftast flera dagar beroende på hur mycket man använder den såklart. Kan tyvärr inte rekommendera någon bt gps själv förutom att ta valfri av dessa http://www.prisjakt.nu/kategori.php?l=s90649539 / Kristoffer (Malmis) bengt bäverman skrev 2012-07-23 23:59: Jag har haft flera olika handhållna GPS:er från både Garmin och Magellan. Alla dessa har varit mycket bättre än den jag har i min iPhone. Noggrannheten är väldigt mycket bättre. Både när det gäller att hitta en viss punkt i verkligheten (som vid Geocaching) och när det gäller att logga ett spår. Jag kan använda min eTrex 30 hela dagen på en sats batterier och logga en punkt varje sekund. Noggrannheten är nästan alltid 3 meter och ibland ännu noggrannare. Det är rätt ofta som min iPhone är lite vilsen när det inte är öppen terräng med god sikt söderut mot sateliterna. Jag kan inte nog rekommendera en egen handhållen GPS om man känner sig lite mer seriös när det gäller att skapa kartor. vänligen Bengt B Den 23 juli 2012 23:37 skrev Christian Asker christian.as...@gmail.com: Hallå. Jag köpte en Garmin eTrex 30 för två veckor sedan och är mycket nöjd. Batteritiden är bra, man kan lägga in egna kartor (tex OSM) och en hel del annat smått och gott. Men det jag gillar bäst är att GPS-mottagningen är bra och ganska okänslig för om man är i skog osv. Apparaten tar emot signaler både från GPS och Glonass, vilket ger ökad noggrannhet för det mesta. Den kostar en slant (ca 2100) men jag tycker den är klart prisvärd! Jag använde tidigare en smartphone (X10 mini), men skillnaden mot en riktig GPS är stor, särskilt som jag ofta mappar stigar i skogen. Min första riktiga GPS är en Garmin Foretrex 301 som kostar runt 1200. Det är en handleds-GPS, men har hyfsad mottagning. Den är dock något sämre än eTrex 30. Funkar bra till OSM-mappning, samtidigt som man kan ha den till löpning. Mvh Christian 2012-07-23 11:43, Björn Lindahl skrev: Ursäkta om det är en fråga som anses ha ställts allt för många gånger men det är lite förvirrande att hitta vettig och produktinformation som är up-to-date när man söker. Min Samsung Galaxy S3 ger ganska mediokra loggar ibland och skulle därför vilja ha en hyfsad gps-logger att ha som referens. Jag är dock inte villig att lägga ner några större pengar på en, ca max 1000kr. Går det att hitta en, gärna med bluetooth för det priset eller behöver man gå upp i pris för att hitta en som ger bra precision? Ska man leta efter gps:er med specifika gps-chip eller vad är viktiga faktorer att titta efter? Jag såg någon tipsa om en Holux M-241 någonstans, är det en av de bättre budget-gps:erna? Tack på förhand. ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list
Re: [Talk-se] Köpa en riktig GPS
Jag kan inte svara för vilka chip som sitter i BT-dongel-GPSerna, men det är stor skillnad mellan chippen i noggrannhet, snabbheten att hitta var den är vid uppstart och hur känslig den är för dålig sikt till satelliterna. Ofta är de dyrare modellerna tydligt mycket bättre. Jag är inne på min fjärde handhållna nu (började med en enkel) så jag vet... Jag har fått för mig att de enklaste donglarna är sämre än de handhållna... YMMV. /Bengt 24 jul 2012 kl. 11:30 skrev Björn Lindahl b.lind...@gmail.com: Tack för all input! Även om det verkar vara en bra idé att köpa en handhållen gps på sikt känner jag inte för att lägga ut de pengarna i dagsläget. Att köra en gps-logger med blåtand kopplad till mobilen känns mest attraktivt just nu i och med att det går att använda den istället för inbyggda enligt tipset på app av Stefan Henrikson. Det känns faktiskt som att vinsten med att köra helt handburen gps blir ganska liten jämfört med att köra separat gps via bt till Smartphone som har bra kartappar. Telefonen jag har (SGS3) har dessutom riktigt bra batteritid så det är lugnt att använda inbyggda gps:en på den i tid och otid också om man vill det. Tack än en gång för alla tips! Mvh Björn Lindahl http://lindahl.net/+ 2012/7/24 Kristoffer Malmström mit...@gmail.com§§ Jag tycker att trådstartaren var inne på en bra linje. Att använda en extern blutooth gps är ingen dum idé, det är billigt och duger minst lika bra som en handburen gps. Du kan dessutom ha den i fickan eller lös i bilen och kan fortfarande använda alla smarta funktioner i din telefon, som inte finns i en handburen gps. Batteri-tiden brukar dessutom bli väldigt mycket bättre i telefonen om man använder en bt gps istället för den interna och bt gps'ers batteri håller oftast flera dagar beroende på hur mycket man använder den såklart. Kan tyvärr inte rekommendera någon bt gps själv förutom att ta valfri av dessa http://www.prisjakt.nu/kategori.php?l=s90649539 / Kristoffer (Malmis) bengt bäverman skrev 2012-07-23 23:59: Jag har haft flera olika handhållna GPS:er från både Garmin och Magellan. Alla dessa har varit mycket bättre än den jag har i min iPhone. Noggrannheten är väldigt mycket bättre. Både när det gäller att hitta en viss punkt i verkligheten (som vid Geocaching) och när det gäller att logga ett spår. Jag kan använda min eTrex 30 hela dagen på en sats batterier och logga en punkt varje sekund. Noggrannheten är nästan alltid 3 meter och ibland ännu noggrannare. Det är rätt ofta som min iPhone är lite vilsen när det inte är öppen terräng med god sikt söderut mot sateliterna. Jag kan inte nog rekommendera en egen handhållen GPS om man känner sig lite mer seriös när det gäller att skapa kartor. vänligen Bengt B Den 23 juli 2012 23:37 skrev Christian Asker christian.as...@gmail.com: Hallå. Jag köpte en Garmin eTrex 30 för två veckor sedan och är mycket nöjd. Batteritiden är bra, man kan lägga in egna kartor (tex OSM) och en hel del annat smått och gott. Men det jag gillar bäst är att GPS-mottagningen är bra och ganska okänslig för om man är i skog osv. Apparaten tar emot signaler både från GPS och Glonass, vilket ger ökad noggrannhet för det mesta. Den kostar en slant (ca 2100) men jag tycker den är klart prisvärd! Jag använde tidigare en smartphone (X10 mini), men skillnaden mot en riktig GPS är stor, särskilt som jag ofta mappar stigar i skogen. Min första riktiga GPS är en Garmin Foretrex 301 som kostar runt 1200. Det är en handleds-GPS, men har hyfsad mottagning. Den är dock något sämre än eTrex 30. Funkar bra till OSM-mappning, samtidigt som man kan ha den till löpning. Mvh Christian 2012-07-23 11:43, Björn Lindahl skrev: Ursäkta om det är en fråga som anses ha ställts allt för många gånger men det är lite förvirrande att hitta vettig och produktinformation som är up-to-date när man söker. Min Samsung Galaxy S3 ger ganska mediokra loggar ibland och skulle därför vilja ha en hyfsad gps-logger att ha som referens. Jag är dock inte villig att lägga ner några större pengar på en, ca max 1000kr. Går det att hitta en, gärna med bluetooth för det priset eller behöver man gå upp i pris för att hitta en som ger bra precision? Ska man leta efter gps:er med specifika gps-chip eller vad är viktiga faktorer att titta efter? Jag såg någon tipsa om en Holux M-241 någonstans, är det en av de bättre budget-gps:erna? Tack på förhand. ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Talk-se] Bostadsytor och lantgårdar
Ja, det var ju inte meningen att trampa på några tår. Det finns massvis av tillfällen då det är korrekt att tagga residential i små ytor. Som Tobias säger ska man ju dock inte tagga både landuse och building, plus som sagt de fall där byggnader har taggats med landuse av något skäl. Fler idéer till sådant som inte direkt är fel men kan behöva kollas upp är icke-runda rondeller och byggnader som avviker något litet från att vara rätvinkliga. Alla rondeller ska inte vara runda, och det finns gott om hus som inte är rätvinkliga, men jag tror ändå att man kan plocka några feltaggade av att kolla upp det åtminstone. Ett annat problem som jag har noterat är folk som taggar villaträdgårdar som landuse=grass, bara för att få en grön bakgrund. Detta måste väl vara fel? /Andreas 2012/7/24 Tobias Johansson t...@mensa.se: Hej Jag vet inte vad som är fel eller inte i detta fallet. Ville mest se om jag kunde göra en karta när trådstartaren skrev sitt första mail. Har dock kollat min query i databasen och den ger ungefär 5500 resultat så det är ju en del att gå igenom om man vill göra det. Dock de röda byggnaderna=building=yes och landuse=residential är la fel sätt att tagga? Dock vet jag inget som blir fel av att tagga så så att fixa det känns kanske lite lågprioriterat? MvH Tobias Den 23 juli 2012 10:45 skrev Anders Arnholm and...@arnholm.se: Joakim Fors skrev 2012-07-23 10:13: Jag tycker nog det är korrekt att tagga ensamstående hus gårdsplan som landuse=residential. Det är snarare landuse=farmyard som är ett specialfall om det bedrivs (jordbuks)verksamhet dä Fritidshus, torp och annat som inte är aktiva lantbruk borde om jag fattat det rätt vara landuse=residential. An area of land with farm buildings like farmhouse, dwellings, farmsteads, sheeds, stables, barns, equipment sheds, feed bunkers, etc. plus the open space in between them and the shrubbery/trees around them. These areas are often fenced in. (american english: barnyard) Farmyard passar inte alls på villor och torp ute i skogen som Sverige är fullt av. ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-ar] borrados
Ya habían avisado que la mayoría de las estaciones de servicio las había agregado un usuario que no aceptó la licencia, yo pude cambiar algunas antes de q pasara La Bestia El 24/07/2012 08:03, talk-ar-requ...@openstreetmap.org escribió: Envíe los mensajes para la lista Talk-ar a talk-ar@openstreetmap.org Para subscribirse o anular su subscripción a través de la WEB http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ar O por correo electrónico, enviando un mensaje con el texto help en el asunto (subject) o en el cuerpo a: talk-ar-requ...@openstreetmap.org Puede contactar con el responsable de la lista escribiendo a: talk-ar-ow...@openstreetmap.org Si responde a algún contenido de este mensaje, por favor, edite la linea del asunto (subject) para que el texto sea mas especifico que: Re: Contents of Talk-ar digest Además, por favor, incluya en la respuesta sólo aquellas partes del mensaje a las que está respondiendo. Asuntos del día: 1. Re: borrados (Fabian Alejandro) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 19:21:50 -0300 From: Fabian Alejandro fager...@gmail.com To: talk-ar@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ar] borrados Message-ID: CA+-gVSoqb5qySX0r8Hm23nPGsv=u9nbgw2o9v0whsc0vwqm...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 por catmarca encontré que faltan varios tags amenity=fuel saludos. próxima parte Se ha borrado un adjunto en formato HTML... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ar/attachments/20120723/6b7f04cc/attachment-0001.html -- ___ Talk-ar mailing list Talk-ar@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ar Fin de Resumen de Talk-ar, Vol 37, Envío 9 ** ___ Talk-ar mailing list Talk-ar@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ar
Re: [Talk-at] Redaction Reduction - Koordinationsseite für Wien
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:14:16 +0200, Markus Straub markus.straub...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, super! Dann kann das koordinierte Vorgehen beginnen. in der Beschreibung sollte an denke ich noch erwähnen, dass nicht nur die Wege auf ihre Existenz kontrolliert werden sollten sondern auch Straßennahmen und Einbahnen. Naja, diese Informationen stehen leider im ViennaGIS nicht zur Verfügung, daher glaube ich nicht, dass die im taskmanager gut aufgehoben sind. Unabhängig von der Redaction Reduction wäre es vermutlich auch einmal sinnvoll eine MegaMappingParty zu veranstalten und ganz Wien mit mapping-papers zuzupflastern. MfG David LG, Markus P.S.: ich werde in Bälde alle Citybike-stationen überprüfen bzw einpflegen.. On 2012-07-21 10:21, David Schmitt wrote: Hi, ich hab' jetzt mal testhalber eine TaskManager Instanz auf meinem Server aufgesetzt: http://osmtm.black.co.at/ Dort kann man sich einen Task reservieren und so verhindern, dass man mit anderen, die gerade in der gleichen Region arbeiten, Konflikte erzeugt. Auch hilft es dafür zu sorgen, dass alles angesehen wird. Zur Zeit habe ich einmal nur einen Job für Wien eingerichtet. Gerne richte ich auch Jobs für andere Gegenden oder andere Aufgaben ein. Macht es Sinn auch einen Link am Wiki zu platzieren? Wenn ja, wo? MfG David ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
