Re: [Talk-es] Toponimia en Galicia

[dcapillae]

Gracias de nuevo por la iniciativa. Comento la respuesta de la Fundéu.

Primero aclarar que la respuesta de la RAE y la Fundéu van a coincidir. La
una asesora a la otra, luego van a decir lo mismo. En el caso de la Xunta de
Galicia, aunque no respondan, tampoco importa. La respuesta será similar a
la del IGN, es decir, que como todas las Administración públicas al servicio
de los ciudadanos están obligadas a cumpliar la ley y bla, bla, bla.

Concretamente en España, muchos topónimos de las zonas bilingües (Cataluña,
Comunidad Valenciana, Galicia, Islas Baleares y el País Vasco) cuentan con
dos formas, una perteneciente a la lengua española y otra propia de la
lengua autonómica cooficial. Lo natural es que los hablantes seleccionen una
u otra en función de la lengua en la que estén elaborando el discurso. En
consecuencia, los hispanohablantes pueden emplear siempre que exista, la
forma española de estos nombres geográficos, y transferir aquellos topónimos
que posean una expresión única, catalana, gallega o vasca.

No hay mucho que comentar. Es lo mismo que venimos reiterando desde el
principio, que donde exista un topónimo en español, ese es el nombre en
español del lugar, y donde no exista se usa la adaptación en español del
topónimo existen en gallego, catalán o vasco. Lo natural, vamos.






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[OSM-talk-ie] Administrative Boundary -v- Boundary

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

I tidied up the boundary of Cruiserath townland in Dublin 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5409087#map=15/53.4170/-6.3773 if 
someone could check it. I'm not happy that I got it all correct.

Looking at some of the adjacent townlands, especially those to the south, some 
seem to have an 'Administrative Boundary' while others have a 'Boundary'. I'm 
not sure what the difference is. I think they definitely need a look.

Colm

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Re: [Talk-es] Toponimia en Galicia

[dcapillae]

Gracias por la iniciativa.

Los organismos oficiales van a responder siempre a los ciudadanos que ellos
usan la toponomía oficial, faltaría más. Están obligados por ley. Todas las
Administraciones públicas lo están. Nadie está cuestionando la toponomía
oficial de A Coruña. Tampoco ninguno de los que intervenimos en este foro
somos una Administración pública. No le pidamos al IGN que dialogue de tú a
tú con una comunidad de usuarios porque no lo va a hacer.


> Como es evidente, la pluralidad lingüística española se refleja
> irremediablemente en los nombres geográficos. Los distintos organismos
> competentes en la materia luchan por conservar, o en algunos casos
> recuperar, la toponimia tradicional de las distintas regiones. Para ello
> se invierten multitud de esfuerzos, económicos, temporales y humanos, con
> el objetivo de investigar y localizar la forma correcta de los topónimos.
> Y se insta a la divulgación y uso de los mismos por parte de las distintas
> Administraciones públicas, organismos públicos o privados y los
> ciudadanos.

Si los nombres geográficos reflejan la pluralidad lingüística existente en
España, reflejémos esos nombres en el mapa. Este es un proyecto
plurilingüístico. No hay problema con eso. No nos dediquemos a hacer lo que
hacen las Administraciones públicas, invertir sus esfuerzos y el dinero de
todos los contribuyentes para imponer el uso de su toponomía oficial, cada
cual la suya.

No necesito consultar el BOE para saber como me refiero a los lugares que
conozco en mi lengua materna, como no lo necesitan ninguna de las millones
de personas que hablan español. La lengua no se rige por leyes, pese a que
algunos intenten someterla por ese medio.

Del mismo modo que nosotros no somos una Administración pública, OSM tampoco
es un instituto geográfico nacional ni ninguna agencia gubernamental sujeta
a leyes constitucionales. No nos regimos por la Constitución española ni por
ninguna otra. Los topónimos existen en múltiples de idiomas y en este
proyecto los reflejamos todos, no los de la lengua oficial del Estado. Ni
del Estado español ni de ningún otro. Este es un proyecto comunitario,
pluriilingüístico e internacional.

Lo he dicho ya en reiteradas ocasiones en este hilo. Lo voy a volver a
repetir: nuestras «leyes» consisten en respetar las convenciones de
etiquetado de OSM, respetar las lenguas y respetar los usos, por el bien del
mapa y por el bien de la comunidad.

Iros a decirle a los franceses que no se puede usar «La Corogne» porque no
ha sido aprobado por las leyes españolas ni aparece en la toponomía oficial
del IGN. Lo más seguro es que os manden a paseo. Lo mismo dirá un argentino
al que intentan imponerle la toponomía oficial española. Un disparate de
dimensiones épicas. ¡Berlanga resucitado!



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Re: [Talk-pt] Proposta de revisão da padronização de estradas em PT

[Pedro Lima]

Boa noite a todos

Concordo no geral com a proposta, no entanto gostaria de acrescentar uma
questão relativamente à classificação para etiqueta trunk
esta etiqueta deve ser usada apenas em estradas com o sinal H25- Via
reservada a automóveis e motociclos:
[image: image.png]
Exemplo: Variante Nascente de Famalicão
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3611152#map=14/41.4049/-8.5139=N

Cumprimentos,
Pedro Lima
(PLima785)


Em qua, 26 de jun de 2019 às 15:07, António Madeira 
escreveu:

> Obrigado pela tua resposta, Alexandre.
>
> 1. Essa é uma questão técnica que terá de ser resolvida com pesquisa.
> Normalmente, os PDM têm essa informação. Não encontrei informação geral num
> só documento, apenas em decretos de lei dispersos na rede. Idealmente, a
> proposta contemplaria a existência de mapeadores em todos os concelhos que
> pudessem conferir estas alterações.
>
> 2. No caso do exemplo que deste, só se marcaria a avenida principal como
> primária se tivesse condições equivalentes a uma cintura interna, deste
> género (duas pistas, separador, poucos cruzamentos, etc.):
> https://mapio.net/images-p/19704005.jpg
>
> A descrição das funções hierárquicas que deixei na proposta visa
> distinguir o que é uma avenida com escoamento prioritário dentro da malha
> urbana ou uma simples avenida/rua que pode ser uma estrada municipal e, por
> conseguinte, apenas secundária.
>
> Cumprimentos,
> António.
>
>
> Às 09:31 de 26-06-2019, Alexandre Moleiro escreveu:
>
> Olá.
>
> Genericamente concordo com a proposta, tenho no entanto duas questões:
>
> 1. Enquanto mapeador que se baseia muito no que está no terreno a questão
> das Estradas Nacionais desclassificadas é algo difícil. Se não tiver à mão
> a legislação respectiva como vou saber que a EN270 é principal ou
> secundária? Não haverá forma de criar scripts que verifiquem a boa
> etiquetagem das Estradas Nacionais desclassificadas?
>
> 2. A nível urbano penso que que também se devem usar as terciárias, de
> forma a hierarquizar as condições de escoamento dentro do casco urbano. Um
> exemplo será uma vila que apenas é servida por estradas secundárias e de
> menor importância, faz sentido marcar a avenida principal da vila como
> primária ?
>
> Cumprimentos
> Alexandre
>
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 22:59, António Madeira via Talk-pt <
> talk-pt@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>> Saudações a todos.
>>
>> Apesar de o conteúdo de qualquer mapa atual abranger inúmeros elementos
>> para outros tantos fins, continua a ser verdade que a sua principal
>> função é poder informar qual o melhor caminho e/ou o mais rápido do
>> ponto A ao ponto B.
>> Recentemente, e com base no que tenho visto no mapeamento do OSM em
>> Portugal e no terreno, referi no grupo do Telegram que a rede rodoviária
>> em Portugal requer uma revisão e uma melhor padronização. É comum
>> encontrar estradas secundárias, terciárias e até primárias desenhadas
>> sem qualquer critério aparente, seja por desconhecimento ou engano.
>> Após uma análise minuciosa do PDM de Leiria, cheguei à conclusão que,
>> não raras vezes, a atual padronização não contempla muitas das situações
>> que se verificam no terreno, principalmente ao nível de estradas
>> secundárias e terciárias, mas também ao nível de mapeamento dentro dos
>> grandes centros urbanos (talvez o mais problemático). Transpondo os
>> critérios que tenho vindo a adotar no concelho de Leiria, lanço à
>> discussão a proposta preliminar que tomei a liberdade de elaborar com
>> base em conceitos hierárquicos bem definidos e que partilho em seguida.
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GvzSe9eBCCMubJxDGOAfF9akRcuJkqeKFVUju6EVpmI/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Portugal/Padroniza%C3%A7%C3%A3o
>>
>> Todos os comentários são bem-vindos.
>>
>>
>> Cumprimentos,
>> António Madeira.
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Re: [Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

[David Woolley]

On 02/09/2019 23:13, Warin wrote:


On 3/9/19 2:53 am, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:

On 02/09/2019 14:58, David Woolley wrote:
This could conflict with a trend that I believe is developing, at 
least for more formal roads, of removing signage, because it 
distracts drivers, and relying on satellite navigators to provide the 
information instead.


What evidence have you of this "trend"?



I too, would like to hear of evidence of this 'trend'.



Google "reducing sign clutter" for the general principle.  Use of sat 
nav as an alternative I might have heard on the radio, or in a local 
paper.  However 
 
is the only reference I can find to that, online, in a quick search.


I think, in practice, it why local councils often don't bother to fix 
AWOL and broken street name signs, even when told about them.


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Re: [Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

[Warin]

On 3/9/19 2:53 am, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:

On 02/09/2019 14:58, David Woolley wrote:
This could conflict with a trend that I believe is developing, at 
least for more formal roads, of removing signage, because it 
distracts drivers, and relying on satellite navigators to provide the 
information instead.


What evidence have you of this "trend"?



I too, would like to hear of evidence of this 'trend'.






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Re: [Talk-es] Toponimia en Galicia

[yo paseopor]

Tal y como comenté sobre este debate, para desengrasar un poco, decidí
hacer una consulta a cuatro organismos:

-Real Academia de la Lengua Española
-Instituto Geográfico Nacional
-Xunta de Galicia
-Fundéu BBVA

De momento he obtenido estas dos respuestas. He de decir que los organismos
que han respondido, lo han hecho de forma considerada, extensa
(especialmente la del IGN) y argumentando sus puntos de vista. Les estoy
muy agradecido y tal y como se acabe esta polémica les transmitiré nuestro
agradecimiento por su participación.
Os engancho los textos.



Buzón toponimia.ign

Estimado «yopaseopor»,


El correo es extenso pero sepa usted que tan sólo es un resumen de todo lo
que afecta a la normalización y oficialización de la toponimia en España,
un país con una gran riqueza lingüística. Espero que le sirva para hacerse
una idea del trabajo y esfuerzos que se realizan cuando se determina la
forma oficial de un topónimo. No es una decisión baladí, siempre lleva un
debate y un procedimiento administrativo que garantiza la participación de
todos los ciudadanos.



Empiezo por la conclusión: Desde el Instituto Geográfico Nacional se
promueve el uso de la forma oficial de los topónimos españoles en la
cartografía.

Concretamente sobre el topónimo sobre el que su grupo debate, la forma
oficial es «A Coruña» y es la que se utiliza en toda la información
geográfica del Instituto Geográfico Nacional. Esta denominación fue
aprobada mediante la Ley 2/1998, de 3 marzo, sobre el cambio de
denominación de La Coruña y Orense (
https://boe.es/buscar/pdf/1998/BOE-A-1998-5184-consolidado.pdf). Conviene
aclarar, aunque pueda resultar evidente, que en la documentación anterior a
la publicación de esta Ley figurará la denominación anterior.

En respuesta a sus preguntas concretas:

¿Debe mantenerse la versión en castellano "La Coruña" aun no siendo
oficial, para el castellano?

No. Eso es una forma anterior. Sólo conservada en el histórico de cambios.

¿Debe mostrarse en el mapa para castellanohablantes el topónimo oficial
aunque este no sea en castellano?

Sí. La única forma es la oficial, sin atender al idioma ¿O si usted de
llama Jorge debe dejar que le llamen Jordi en el área catalanohablante o
George en los países sajones?

¿Qué prevalece?

La toponimia oficial.



Para su conocimiento, a continuación incluyo algunas explicaciones sobre la
normativa y denominaciones relativas a la toponimia.



· Sobre la normativa relativa a los Nombres Geográficos:

La Constitución Española de 1978 indica en su artículo 3 apartado 1 «El
castellano es la lengua oficial del Estado. Todos los Españoles tienen el
deber de conocerla y el derecho a usarla» y apartado 2 «Las demás lenguas
españolas serán también oficiales en las respectivas comunidades autónomas
de acuerdo con sus Estatutos».

Así existen en España las siguientes lenguas oficiales y cooficiales:
castellano para todo el territorio español; Gallego, cooficial en Galicia;
Euskera, cooficial en País Vasco/Euskadi; Catalán cooficial en
Cataluña/Catalunya, Illes Balears y la Comunitat Valenciana, donde se
denomina valenciano y Aranés en la Val d’Aran, cooficial con el castellano
y el catalán.

Finalmente el apartado 3 del mencionado artículo 3 de la C.E., indica que
«La riqueza de las distintas modalidades lingüísticas de España es un
patrimonio cultural que será objeto de especial respeto y protección».



El Real Decreto 1545/2007, por el que se regula el Sistema Cartográfico
Nacional indica expresamente que el Nomenclátor Geográfico Nacional
recogerá las denominaciones oficiales referenciadas geográficamente que
deben utilizarse en la cartografía oficial. El Nomenclátor Geográfico
Nacional estará constituido por la armonización del Nomenclátor Geográfico
Básico de España y los Nomenclátores Geográficos de cada una de las
Comunidades Autónomas.

El Nomenclátor Geográfico Básico de España, que debe ser realizado por el
Instituto Geográfico Nacional, comprenderá todas las denominaciones
oficiales georreferenciadas a escala 1:25.000 y menores, tanto en
castellano como en las lenguas oficiales correspondientes.

La Ley 14/2010, sobre las infraestructuras y los servicios de información
geográfica en España (trasposición de la Directiva INSPIRE) considera al
Nomenclátor Geográfico Básico de España y al resto de Nomenclátores y bases
de datos toponímicas georreferenciadas oficiales como parte de la
Información Básica de Referencia (información geográfica necesaria para que
cualquier usuario y aplicación pueda referenciar sus datos. Proporciona una
localización precisa para la información, permite cruzar datos de distintas
fuentes y sirve para interpretar datos situándolos en un ámbito geográfico).



Ley 10/2015, para la salvaguardia del Patrimonio Cultural Inmaterial. El
artículo 2, en el que se define el concepto de patrimonio cultural
inmaterial, dice que la toponimia tradicional como instrumento para la
concreción de la denominación geográfica de los territorios tendrá la

Re: [OSM-talk] bus stops signs in the usa.

[Andy Townsend]

On 02/09/2019 21:03, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:

if the number is on the sign, and there is no tag for route #
is that not the name which will show on the map ?

Different maps show different information on bus stops.  As an example, 
here's how OSM's Transport Map displays two bus stops in Nottingham:


https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/502375294#map=19/52.96490/-1.17252=TN

(the two form one stop area, and that stop area is shown)

Here's another* map:

https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=21=52.9649694=-1.1726692

That doesn't show the stop area but does show some information about the 
reference number of the bus stop from a field that's valid for most bus 
stops in OSM in the UK (but not elsewhere).


Other maps will show different things again.  As long as you make sure 
that you use valid tags in OSM (e.g. don't misuse the "name" field on a 
bus stop for something which is not the name) everything will be OK.


Best Regards,

Andy

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[OSM-talk] Local Chapter application - Ireland

[Ciarán Staunton]

Hi Everyone,
It really is heartening to see the overwhelming positive reaction to OSM
Ireland's chapter application. I am party to this application, but since
there was a discussion I am permitting myself to just be a mapper and
community member in a couple of comments.

On the island of Ireland issue: we did this because mappers from Northern
Ireland were already engaged with us, and we even held a meetup in Belfast.
As a formal structure nobody was going to exclude people who have already
given so much to the informal network that has existed for a decade.

In any event there was detailed consultation with OSMUK who told us: "For
the avoidance of doubt, OSM UK is supportive of the inclusion of Northern
Ireland in OSM Ireland in addition to it's existing inclusion within the
OSM UK defined region." With this level of co-operation already in place
between OSMUK and OSMIRL we could look at having a joint *SOTM* in Belfast
in 2021 or 2022 to commemorate the centennial placement of the border on
the island, and to prove that mappers transcend everything.
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Re: [OSM-talk] bus stops signs in the usa.

[Nuno Caldeira]

you are taling about the bus stop id.

Às 21:03 de 02/09/2019, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk escreveu:

if the number is on the sign, and there is no tag for route #
is that not the name which will show on the map ?




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[OSM-talk] bus stops signs in the usa.

[80hnhtv4agou--- via talk]

if the number is on the sign, and there is no tag for route #
 
is that not the name which will show on the map ?


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Bureau de Poste -> Agence (?) en Mairie

[marc marc]

Le 02.09.19 à 16:35, Jacques Lavignotte a écrit :
> https://datanova.legroupe.laposte.fr/explore/dataset/laposte_poincont2/table/?disjunctive.caracteristique_du_site_postal_insee_du_geocodage=vouneuil-sous-biard
>  
> 
> 
> 16354A a fermé et remplacé par 14079D
> J'ai supprimé 16354A

perso je préfixe tout par was: et je met un end_date
parce que pendant un certain temps le bureau fermé
va rester dans certains fichiers opendata et le risque
n'est pas faible que quelqu'un le recrée sans connaître
toute l'histoire. ex typique : osmose croit que ce bureau
est tjs ouvert et propose même de mettre à jour l'accessibilité.

> créé 14079D incomplet (74003788) car qui est maintenant l'exploitant ? 
> C'est le personnel municipal qui vend les timbres.

la commune ?
operator=municipality
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Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping new housing developments in midlothian for Spokes cycle map

[Jez Nicholson]

Hi Donald,

We would of course love to help, that's 'we' as in 'OSMUK', but of course
it isn't something that can be done remotely. We will tweet about it on our
account to publicise.please suggest if there's anything else we could
do.

Regards,
 Jez

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 3:22 PM Donald Noble  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The Lothian cycle charity Spokes are planning to update their paper maps
> [1] based partially on OSM data. They have asked for new developments in
> Midlothian to be updated before the end of October if possible. The main
> items requiring mapping are roads and road names, but other details are
> helpful.
>
> I have created a page [2] on the OSM wiki to list areas of new development
> that I am aware of, or are partially mapped on OSM. This can be used to
> track when they were last surveyed. It can also be used to track other
> areas that need mapping.
>
> Any input on this task is gratefully received, even if it is just an email
> to tell me of a development site I have missed.
>
> Cheers, Donald
>
> [1] http://www.spokes.org.uk/spokes-maps/
> [2]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Midlothian_New_Development
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Re: [Talk-es] Elección de la importancia de las calles en Madrid

[Alejandro Moreno]

Menudo currazo. Muchas gracias por tanta información.

Estos días le echaré un ojo.

El lun., 2 sept. 2019 20:07, yo paseopor  escribió:

> Como información os puedo explicar que la comunidad catalana usó el
> catálogo de vías editado por el Ajuntament de Barcelona. Eso hizo
> importantes cambios, como la "partición" de la Diagonal en diversos niveles
> según la movilidad real de la ciudad.
>
> Aquí veo algo que lo puede definir
>
> https://www.madrid.es/UnidadesDescentralizadas/UDCUrbanismo/PGOUM/InstruccionViaPublica/Ficheros/fic2.pdf
>
> Pero tengo una mala noticia, y es que ya en 2016, un conocido ;) de esta
> lista ya propuso ese documento al Ayuntamiento
>
> https://datos.madrid.es/portal/site/egob/menuitem.3efdb29b813ad8241e830cc2a8a409a0/?vgnextoid=086c550b763f8510VgnVCM201f4a900aRCRD=102612b9ace9f310VgnVCM10171f5a0aRCRD=default
>
> Dicho lo cual existen documentos técnicos que os podrían ayudar a
> definirlas
>
> https://www.madrid.es/UnidadesDescentralizadas/UDCUrbanismo/PGOUM/InstruccionViaPublica/Ficheros/fic4.1.pdf
>
> El documento entero, del año 2000
>
> http://www.carreteros.org/normativa/travesias/pdfs/ccaa_pdf/ivp_ay_madrid.pdf
>
> He encontrado algo que valdría pero es de 1995
> http://oa.upm.es/49147/1/1995_calles_HA.pdf pág 31
>
> Este sería el Decreto que define cada categoría , de 2010
>
> https://www.madrid.es/UnidadesDescentralizadas/UDCUrbanismo/PGOUM/Acuerdos%20PGOUM/Ficheros/COMPENDIOPGOUM%2097%20edjulio%202009%20version%20marzo%202010con%20Anexosp.pdf
>
> Actual no lo he encontrado, lo siento, sólo lo de 1995 :(
> Salut i mapes
> yopaseopor
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 1:36 PM Ismael Aderdor Domingo 
> wrote:
>
>> Estoy muy de acuerdo contigo. En general, parece que las etiquetas en
>> muchas calles no están puestas en base a criterios objetivos.
>>
>> Más que hablar de calles concretas, creo que habría que fijar algún
>> criterio para aplicar una etiqueta u otra.
>>
>> El lun., 2 sept. 2019 a las 9:36, Alejandro Moreno ()
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Buenos días.
>>>
>>> Os escribo porque en Villa de Vallecas (Madrid) hay varias avenidas que
>>> no están marcadas como primary ni como secondary y para mí sí deberían
>>> serlo correspondientes a la nueva parte que se ha hecho en el PAU de
>>> Vallecas. Puesto que no sé si hay algún criterio definido para este tipo de
>>> calles en Madrid dejo aquí mi propuesta para consensuarla.
>>>
>>> Calles primary:
>>> - Avenida del Mayorazgo.
>>> - Avenida Ensanche de Vallecas
>>>
>>> Calle Secondary:
>>> - Avenida de la Gavia
>>> - Avenida de las Suertes
>>> - Avenida de Cartagena de Indias
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Talk-es] Elección de la importancia de las calles en Madrid

[yo paseopor]

Como información os puedo explicar que la comunidad catalana usó el
catálogo de vías editado por el Ajuntament de Barcelona. Eso hizo
importantes cambios, como la "partición" de la Diagonal en diversos niveles
según la movilidad real de la ciudad.

Aquí veo algo que lo puede definir
https://www.madrid.es/UnidadesDescentralizadas/UDCUrbanismo/PGOUM/InstruccionViaPublica/Ficheros/fic2.pdf

Pero tengo una mala noticia, y es que ya en 2016, un conocido ;) de esta
lista ya propuso ese documento al Ayuntamiento
https://datos.madrid.es/portal/site/egob/menuitem.3efdb29b813ad8241e830cc2a8a409a0/?vgnextoid=086c550b763f8510VgnVCM201f4a900aRCRD=102612b9ace9f310VgnVCM10171f5a0aRCRD=default

Dicho lo cual existen documentos técnicos que os podrían ayudar a definirlas
https://www.madrid.es/UnidadesDescentralizadas/UDCUrbanismo/PGOUM/InstruccionViaPublica/Ficheros/fic4.1.pdf

El documento entero, del año 2000
http://www.carreteros.org/normativa/travesias/pdfs/ccaa_pdf/ivp_ay_madrid.pdf

He encontrado algo que valdría pero es de 1995
http://oa.upm.es/49147/1/1995_calles_HA.pdf pág 31

Este sería el Decreto que define cada categoría , de 2010
https://www.madrid.es/UnidadesDescentralizadas/UDCUrbanismo/PGOUM/Acuerdos%20PGOUM/Ficheros/COMPENDIOPGOUM%2097%20edjulio%202009%20version%20marzo%202010con%20Anexosp.pdf

Actual no lo he encontrado, lo siento, sólo lo de 1995 :(
Salut i mapes
yopaseopor




On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 1:36 PM Ismael Aderdor Domingo 
wrote:

> Estoy muy de acuerdo contigo. En general, parece que las etiquetas en
> muchas calles no están puestas en base a criterios objetivos.
>
> Más que hablar de calles concretas, creo que habría que fijar algún
> criterio para aplicar una etiqueta u otra.
>
> El lun., 2 sept. 2019 a las 9:36, Alejandro Moreno ()
> escribió:
>
>> Buenos días.
>>
>> Os escribo porque en Villa de Vallecas (Madrid) hay varias avenidas que
>> no están marcadas como primary ni como secondary y para mí sí deberían
>> serlo correspondientes a la nueva parte que se ha hecho en el PAU de
>> Vallecas. Puesto que no sé si hay algún criterio definido para este tipo de
>> calles en Madrid dejo aquí mi propuesta para consensuarla.
>>
>> Calles primary:
>> - Avenida del Mayorazgo.
>> - Avenida Ensanche de Vallecas
>>
>> Calle Secondary:
>> - Avenida de la Gavia
>> - Avenida de las Suertes
>> - Avenida de Cartagena de Indias
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

[Dave F via Talk-GB]

Hi

Bullet point replies:

 * Under the PROW section why are the 'yes' values not 'designated'?
 * byway_open_to_all_traffic - Why is motor vehicle 'private/no'?
 * Clarify which tags are optional (ie horse for Footpaths)
 * Designated ways aren't limited to
   footway/bridleway/cycleway/track/path/service/steps. Many are on
   residential roads & above
 * Access rights unknown - Can NT inform OSM of the rights?
 * The use of 'discouraged' should be discouraged. It's far too subjective.

Plus Frederik's first two paragraphs.

What data is NT providing to aid the additions of these paths? Boundary 
& water features would be useful.


I note on this page:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access_provisions_in_the_United_Kingdom#Byways

The legalese 'vehicle' tag is incorrectly suggested to indicate the 
subjective ability:


"some byways may deteriorate and become no longer passable by any 
vehicle. If this is the case consider using vehicle=no"


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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView - updates

[Nick Whitelegg]

To update: users can now view their own uploaded panoramas even if they haven't 
been approved yet.


Nick



From: Nick Whitelegg 
Sent: 01 September 2019 10:32:20
To: Stefan Baebler 
Cc: osm-talk 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView - updates



Hello Stefan,


Thanks for the that. ll be a very quick job to show photos to authors without 
approval, so will do that very soon - today or tomorrow.


Nick




From: Stefan Baebler 
Sent: 30 August 2019 23:27:48
To: Nick Whitelegg 
Cc: Simon Polster ; osm-talk 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView - updates

Yes, this is the one.
I don't mind waiting for the approval process, but when the user has no 
feedback "thanks for the photo, please wait few days for review before it can 
be seen" it might give impression that something didn't work, discouraging them 
from further uploads. You could even show the photos (on map and panorama) to 
their logged-in authors/uploaders without any approval.

Interestingly, when i open my uploaded panorama on the phone (same as the 
picture was taken with) it says:
"Your panorama is too big for your device! It's 8704px wide, but your device 
only supports images up to 8192px wide. Try another device. (If you are the 
author try scaling down the image.)"
Some quick googling confirmed that this is a WebGL device driver limitation.
https://github.com/mpetroff/pannellum/issues/444

br,
Štefan

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 7:23 PM Nick Whitelegg 
mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk>> wrote:


Hello Stefan,


Sorry - I have to approve panos before they go live, I've done this now. This 
is to guard against panos with privacy violations or unsuitable content. I 
presume yours is the one in the Alps at:


https://www.opentrailview.org/?id=82


I generally check for updates daily. This is the only one I can see, did you 
try others? Note that you have to upload them one at a time, it will not do 
multiple file uploads in one go.


Thanks for your suggestions, will implement them as soon as I can.


Thanks,

Nick


From: Stefan Baebler mailto:stefan.baeb...@gmail.com>>
Sent: 30 August 2019 07:46:23
To: Nick Whitelegg 
mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk>>
Cc: Simon Polster mailto:sid...@posteo.de>>; osm-talk 
mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org>>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView - updates

Thanks, the uploading works now!

However, I cannot see my uploaded photospheres anywhere on the site, not even 
while being logged in, logging in again Neither on the map nor on some 
list. Not sure if it was successful or not.

Few suggestions:
- make it so that the uploader sees his own uploads immediately (no pending 
approvals etc needed) with a status clearly shown
- allow for lower zoom levels. Panning away from your demo area is slow in high 
zooms.
- search box should trigger searching when enter key is pressed
- after login you should remove oauth_token from the URL (either via JavaScript 
history.push or http redirect)
- persist current coordinates in the URL, so it is easy to share and bookmark 
links (there are plugins for leaflet, eg leaflet-hash)
- make the site more mobile friendly (text is extremely unreadable, buttons 
hard to hit...)

Thanks,
Stefan

V sre., 28. avg. 2019 19:11 je oseba Nick Whitelegg 
mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk>> napisala:


Hello Stefan,


Have increased limit to 15 MB now - let me know if you still have problems. 
Still not mobile friendly just yet - will do this when I have the time.


Thanks,

Nick


From: Stefan Baebler mailto:stefan.baeb...@gmail.com>>
Sent: 25 August 2019 22:33:38
To: Nick Whitelegg 
mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk>>
Cc: Simon Polster mailto:sid...@posteo.de>>; osm-talk 
mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org>>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView - updates

Hi!

I have problems uploading full 360°*180° photospheres. All of them are around 
10MB, and could not find any below 5MB to test with. The error does not say 
much - no photo uploaded and no error code.

The size limit should be raised (eg to 15MB) in my opinion as there is no easy 
option to compress such images (eg by lowering the resolution).

Also the website is really hard to use on mobile devices. :-(

Br,
Stefan




V pet., 16. avg. 2019 19:05 je oseba Nick Whitelegg 
mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk>> napisala:


Hello Simon,


Glad it's working for you!


It looks like it should be possible to show the view field on the map - a 
Leaflet plugin exists to draw semicircles for example, so I'll have a look into 
that - shouldn't be too difficult to implement.


Thanks,

Nick


From: Simon Polster mailto:sid...@posteo.de>>
Sent: 15 August 2019 18:17:46
To: talk@openstreetmap.org 
mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org>>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenTrailView - updates

Looks very nice and works very smoothly for me, thank you!

One functionality I 

[OSM-talk-be] Next 'OSM Arlon' meetup 16 September 2019 in Habay-la-Neuve / Prochaine réunion "OSM Arlon" le 16 septembre 2019 à Habay-la-Neuve

[Pierre Parmentier]

Hello!
Bonjour !

The next *OpenStreetMap Pays d'Arlon* meetup is scheduled on Monday 16
September 2019 at 19:30. Everyone is welcome, from the perfect beginner to
the experienced
mapper!

La prochaine rencontre des contributeurs d'*OpenStreetMap Pays d'Arlon*
aura lieu le lundi 16 septembre 2019 à 19.30 h. Tout qui est intéressé par
OSM est le bienvenu, du parfait débutant au cartographe expérimenté.
N'hésitez pas à venir si vous êtes juste intrigué par le projet
OpenStreetMap et la cartographie participative.

Au programme : accueil des nouveaux contributeurs, préparation de la
journée de formation du 23 octobre 2019 *Itinéraires balisés et
OpenStreetMap*, avancement du bâti dans la région, dernières réalisations
des contributeurs, activités OSM à Aubange, etc.

Nous nous rencontrerons cette fois-ci à Habay. Adresse : Syndicat
d'Initiative de Habay, Rue de Luxembourg 3, 6720 Habay-la-Neuve (Place
Pierre Nothomb).

https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=49.7277=5.6452#map=14/49.7277/5.6452
Happy mapping!

Bonne carto !

juminet & foxandpotatoes
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Re: [Talk-GB] Canoeing infrastructure/river features

[Andy Townsend]

On 02/09/2019 17:50, Edward Bainton wrote:
Just a quick question: what sort of role should overpass turbo play in 
my researches on this topic (and on canoe portages especially)?


I use it all the time when looking for things that people might have 
mapped using tags that I wasn't aware of.  In your case I'd definitely 
try searching values for words like "canoe" or others that you think 
people might have used (see e.g. 
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/search?q=canoe#values ).  If 
nothing else that'll identify areas to look where people have added 
other things.


Using that method you can find e.g. 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1739117028 (which is tagged as a 
tourism=theme_park?) and if you query the map or turn the data layer on 
you'll also see https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6764328677 .


Best Regards,

Andy



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Re: [Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

[Dave F via Talk-GB]

On 02/09/2019 14:58, David Woolley wrote:
This could conflict with a trend that I believe is developing, at 
least for more formal roads, of removing signage, because it distracts 
drivers, and relying on satellite navigators to provide the 
information instead.


What evidence have you of this "trend"?
If anything, I believe resistance to sat-navs is on the increase, given 
the number of news stories of juggernauts stuck down country lanes.


DaveF

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[Talk-GB] Canoeing infrastructure/river features

[Edward Bainton]

Hi again Jez & others,

Just a quick question: what sort of role should overpass turbo play in my
researches on this topic (and on canoe portages especially)?

Is it an inductive browse for 'the feel of the map'? Do people like stats
when discussing new/changed tags, and if so what sort?

Answers to any other questions that I don't know to ask would be great too.
Thanks,

Edward/eteb3
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Re: [Talk-ca] Inconsistencies in names for admin_level=5 boundaries in Québec

[Matthew Darwin]

Merci Pierre.

On 2019-09-02 12:13 p.m., Pierre Béland wrote:

Bonjour Matthew,

l'Office de toponomie du Québec (http://www.toponymie.gouv.qc.ca) 
que nous utilisons comme référence pour les noms de lieux au Québec 
publie une page avec les noms de régions 
http://www.toponymie.gouv.qc.ca/ct/normes-procedures/regles-ecriture/comment-ecrire-region-administrative-touristique.html




vs m-dash vs n-dash to separate names (compare 
Gaspésie–Îles-de-la-Madeleine vs Abitibi-Témiscamingue)


Les noms sont écrits avec des tirets plutot que des espaces, et les 
noms composés de deux sous-régions sont séparés par double tiret.


- Saguenay–Lac-Saint-Jean qui regroupe Saguenay et Lac-Saint-Jean  
(j'ai corrigé selon commission de toponymie et enlevé espace blanc)

- Gaspésie–Îles-de-la-Madeleine

Il y a une exception semble-t-il à la règle (ou oubli?) pour 
Abitibi–Témiscamingue,


vs bracketed numbers appended to the name (Laval, Montréal)
Noms + Numéro, lorsque ville et région portaient le même nom, j'ai 
ajouté le no. de région

- Laval (13)
- Montréal (06)

vs spaces between names (compare Abitibi-Témiscamingue vs Saguenay - 
Lac-Saint-Jean


on devrait enlever les espaces

Pierre


Le lundi 2 septembre 2019 11 h 24 min 08 s UTC−4, Matthew Darwin 
 a écrit :



Hello,

I was looking at the admin_level=5 boundaries in Québec, and I 
notice they appear to not be named consistently (list below).  
Possible issues:


  * m-dash vs n-dash to separate names (compare
Gaspésie–Îles-de-la-Madeleine vs Abitibi-Témiscamingue)
  * spaces between names (compare Abitibi-Témiscamingue vs Saguenay
- Lac-Saint-Jean
  * bracketed numbers appended to the name (Laval, Montréal)

I am not an expert in how admin_level=5 boundaries in Québec, were 
setup, so I am just going to point out the difference here and leave 
it to someone else to adjust as necessary.


(The reason I'm looking at this is to consider to make Québec 
regsion into multiple parts for faster processing in OSMOSE, based 
on admin_level=5)



Abitibi-Témiscamingue
Bas-Saint-Laurent
Capitale-Nationale
Centre-du-Québec
Chaudière-Appalaches
Côte-Nord
Estrie
Gaspésie–Îles-de-la-Madeleine
Lanaudière
Laurentides
Laval (13)
Mauricie
Montérégie
Montréal (06)
Nord-du-Québec
Nunavik
Outaouais
Saguenay - Lac-Saint-Jean

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Re: [Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

[Andy Townsend]

On 02/09/2019 16:57, Mark Goodge wrote:
I'm a little puzzled by one of the lines on the permissions grid on 
that page. There's a line for "Legal RoW but access discouraged", with 
a suggested tagging of "discouraged/private" for pedestrians (and 
similar tags for other users).


Quite apart from the fact that "private" is simply wrong for any 
public right of way, the use of "discouraged" for pedestrian users 
seems to me to also conflict with the wiki, which suggests that this 
is a functional tag (the wiki example is HGV traffic on narrow roads). 


I suspect that the issues that they're trying to deal with here are:

 * Rights of way such as byways open to all traffic that have traffic
   regulation orders on them because they are currently not navigable.
   I've certainly seen example where a PRoW was closed to foot, horse
   and vehicle traffic even though it likely wasn't the walkers doing
   the damage.

 * Paths in moorland (where here it _is_ the walkers doing the damage),
   perhaps in CROW act areas, that need to be closed temporarily to
   allow heather etc. to regrow.

But public rights of way come in all shapes and sizes, from broad, 
well-maintained paths to barely visible routes across difficult 
terrain. If we want to tag their relative ease of use, then surely a 
more appropriate tag than "discouraged" should be used. If a right of 
way on foot exists, then it is, ultimately, up to the user whether 
they use it or not.


Indeed - but from reading what the NT have said I don't think they're 
opposed to tagging of surface, trail_visibility etc. to enable people to 
make their own mind up.


(as an aside https://map.atownsend.org.uk/ does look at various subtags 
on non-PRoWs and won't show some paths on that basis)




The reason why I'm uneasy with this here, is that it relates to 
similar concerns already expressed by Frederik Ramm. There's quite a 
lot of NT property which is crossed by public rights of way, but that 
the NT would prefer people not to use as they provide a route onto the 
property that bypasses the "official" entrance. I can understand why 
they'd want to do that, but I don't think it's appropriate to reflect 
that in how the paths are mapped in OSM.


Indeed, but I think we'd need an example where that was happening?  I've 
often found myself inside an NT property "by accident" via a PRoW that 
doesn't go through a main entrance, but can't remember ever remember 
being prevented from using it or even "persuaded not to".  The exception 
is where big for-pay events are held and PRoWs are temporarily closed - 
a non-NT example of that I can think of is Chatsworth Country Fair.


Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [Talk-ca] Inconsistencies in names for admin_level=5 boundaries in Québec

[Pierre Béland via Talk-ca]

Bonjour Matthew, 

l'Office de toponomie du Québec (http://www.toponymie.gouv.qc.ca) que nous 
utilisons comme référence pour les noms de lieux au Québec publie une page avec 
les noms de régions 
http://www.toponymie.gouv.qc.ca/ct/normes-procedures/regles-ecriture/comment-ecrire-region-administrative-touristique.html


vs m-dash vs n-dash to separate names (compare Gaspésie–Îles-de-la-Madeleine vs 
Abitibi-Témiscamingue)

Les noms sont écrits avec des tirets plutot que des espaces, et les noms 
composés de deux sous-régions sont séparés par double tiret.

- Saguenay–Lac-Saint-Jean qui regroupe Saguenay et Lac-Saint-Jean  (j'ai 
corrigé selon commission de toponymie et enlevé espace blanc)
- Gaspésie–Îles-de-la-Madeleine

Il y a une exception semble-t-il à la règle (ou oubli?) pour 
Abitibi–Témiscamingue,
vs bracketed numbers appended to the name (Laval, Montréal)
Noms + Numéro, lorsque ville et région portaient le même nom, j'ai ajouté le 
no. de région- Laval (13)
- Montréal (06)
vs spaces between names (compare Abitibi-Témiscamingue vs Saguenay - 
Lac-Saint-Jean
on devrait enlever les espaces
 
Pierre 
 

Le lundi 2 septembre 2019 11 h 24 min 08 s UTC−4, Matthew Darwin 
 a écrit :  
 
   
Hello,
 
I was looking at the admin_level=5 boundaries in Québec, and I notice they 
appear to not be named consistently (list below).  Possible issues:

   - m-dash vs n-dash to separate names (compare Gaspésie–Îles-de-la-Madeleine 
vs Abitibi-Témiscamingue)
   - spaces between names (compare Abitibi-Témiscamingue vs Saguenay - 
Lac-Saint-Jean
   - bracketed numbers appended to the name (Laval, Montréal)
 
I am not an expert in how admin_level=5 boundaries in Québec, were setup, so I 
am just going to point out the difference here and leave it to someone else to 
adjust as necessary.
 
(The reason I'm looking at this is to consider to make Québec regsion into 
multiple parts for faster processing in OSMOSE, based on admin_level=5)
 
 

 
 
Abitibi-Témiscamingue
 Bas-Saint-Laurent
 Capitale-Nationale
 Centre-du-Québec
 Chaudière-Appalaches
 Côte-Nord
 Estrie
 Gaspésie–Îles-de-la-Madeleine
 Lanaudière
 Laurentides
 Laval (13)
 Mauricie
 Montérégie
 Montréal (06)
 Nord-du-Québec
 Nunavik
 Outaouais
 Saguenay - Lac-Saint-Jean
 
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Re: [Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

[Mark Goodge]

On 02/09/2019 14:30, Jez Nicholson wrote:
Following on from their talk at the OSMUK AGM, the National Trust have 
now created an official 'organised edit' page for their footpath project 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/National_Trust_Paths


I'm a little puzzled by one of the lines on the permissions grid on that 
page. There's a line for "Legal RoW but access discouraged", with a 
suggested tagging of "discouraged/private" for pedestrians (and similar 
tags for other users).


Quite apart from the fact that "private" is simply wrong for any public 
right of way, the use of "discouraged" for pedestrian users seems to me 
to also conflict with the wiki, which suggests that this is a functional 
tag (the wiki example is HGV traffic on narrow roads). But public rights 
of way come in all shapes and sizes, from broad, well-maintained paths 
to barely visible routes across difficult terrain. If we want to tag 
their relative ease of use, then surely a more appropriate tag than 
"discouraged" should be used. If a right of way on foot exists, then it 
is, ultimately, up to the user whether they use it or not.


The reason why I'm uneasy with this here, is that it relates to similar 
concerns already expressed by Frederik Ramm. There's quite a lot of NT 
property which is crossed by public rights of way, but that the NT would 
prefer people not to use as they provide a route onto the property that 
bypasses the "official" entrance. I can understand why they'd want to do 
that, but I don't think it's appropriate to reflect that in how the 
paths are mapped in OSM.


Mark

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Re: [Talk-pt] Removing "WikiProject" prefix

[Pedro Lima]

+1

A Seg, 2 de set de 2019, 11:46, Nuno Pedrosa 
escreveu:

> Parece-me bem!
>
> Nuno
>
> > On 1 Sep 2019, at 14:52, dcapillae  wrote:
> >
> > [Mensagem em inglês com tradução automática para português]
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am Daniel, from Spain. I would like to change the name of the wiki
> pages related to the Portugal mapping project to remove the "Wikiproject"
> prefix according to the pages name conventions [1].
> >
> > The name of the pages related to the Portugal mapping project would be
> "Portugal" (name of place) instead of "Wikiproject Portugal", as
> recommended by the wiki conventions. It is a change that I have already
> made in United States [2], Canada [3], Spain [4], Australia [5], New
> Zealand [6], South Africa [7], and all Spanish-speaking countries [8]. The
> pages of Israel, Denmark, Norway, United Kingdom, Italy, Germany and
> Philippines have also been renamed (soon also France).
> >
> > All pages with "WikiProject" prefix will be redirected automatically.
> There will be no broken links in any case.  I'll make sure everything works
> correctly, just like now.
> >
> > Do you like the idea? I have posted this message on the wiki in case you
> prefer to comment there [9].
> >
> > Thank you for you attention! Greetings from Spain.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> > [Tradução automática]
> >
> > Hola,
> >
> > Eu sou o Daniel, de Espanha. Eu gostaria de mudar o nome das páginas
> wiki relacionadas ao projeto de mapeamento de Portugal para remover o
> prefixo "Wikiprojeto" de acordo com as convenções de nomes de páginas [1].
> >
> > O nome das páginas relacionadas ao projeto de mapeamento de Portugal
> seria "Portugal" (nome do lugar) em vez de "Wikiprojeto Portugal", como
> recomendado pelas convenções wiki. É uma mudança que já fiz nos Estados
> Unidos [2], Canadá [3], Espanha [4], Austrália [5], Nova Zelândia [6],
> África do Sul [7] e todos os países de língua espanhola [8]. As páginas de
> Israel, Dinamarca, Noruega, Reino Unido, Itália, Alemanha e Filipinas
> também foram renomeadas (em breve também em França).
> >
> > Todas as páginas com o prefixo "WikiProject" serão redireccionadas
> automaticamente. Não haverá links quebrados em nenhum caso.  Vou
> certificar-me de que tudo funciona correctamente, tal como agora.
> >
> > Gosta da ideia? Eu postei esta mensagem no wiki no caso de você preferir
> comentar lá [9].
> >
> > Obrigado pela sua atenção! Saudações da Espanha.
> >
> > Cumprimentos,
> > Daniel
> >
> > [1]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki_organisation#Pages_naming_convention
> > [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States
> > [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada
> > [4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Spain
> > [5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australia
> > [6] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/New_Zealand
> > [7] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/South_Africa
> > [8]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Spanish_speaking_countries
> > [9]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_Portugal#Removing_.22WikiProject.22_prefix
> >
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Re: [Talk-pt] Vandalismo no mapa de Portugal - Souto - Gondomar

[Pedro Lima]

Ok sem problema

A Seg, 2 de set de 2019, 12:50, Topo Lusitania Lusitania via Talk-pt <
talk-pt@openstreetmap.org> escreveu:

>
> Bom dia
>
> Lamento ter de escrever este mail.
> Há um individuo de nome José Moura (link abaixo) que deliberadamente
> alterou zonas na povoação do Souto falsificando o mapa.
> Os erros são de tal modo graves que exigiram uma rápida correcção, sem
> aguardar as suas explicações.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/José%20Moura
> 
>
> Cumprimentos
> TL
> (Explicações mais detalhadas poderão ser enviadas)
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[Talk-ca] Inconsistencies in names for admin_level=5 boundaries in Québec

[Matthew Darwin]

Hello,

I was looking at the admin_level=5 boundaries in Québec, and I notice 
they appear to not be named consistently (list below). Possible issues:


 * m-dash vs n-dash to separate names (compare
   Gaspésie–Îles-de-la-Madeleine vs Abitibi-Témiscamingue)
 * spaces between names (compare Abitibi-Témiscamingue vs Saguenay -
   Lac-Saint-Jean
 * bracketed numbers appended to the name (Laval, Montréal)

I am not an expert in how admin_level=5 boundaries in Québec, were 
setup, so I am just going to point out the difference here and leave 
it to someone else to adjust as necessary.


(The reason I'm looking at this is to consider to make Québec regsion 
into multiple parts for faster processing in OSMOSE, based on 
admin_level=5)



Abitibi-Témiscamingue
Bas-Saint-Laurent
Capitale-Nationale
Centre-du-Québec
Chaudière-Appalaches
Côte-Nord
Estrie
Gaspésie–Îles-de-la-Madeleine
Lanaudière
Laurentides
Laval (13)
Mauricie
Montérégie
Montréal (06)
Nord-du-Québec
Nunavik
Outaouais
Saguenay - Lac-Saint-Jean

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Sotm Heidelberg : on y va ensemble ?

[Thomas Gratier]

Bonjour,

Pour info, suite à la relance de Frédéric et n'ayant pas eu l'impression
que cela allait bougé, je me suis organisé de mon côté pour le logement et
le déplacement.
Cela fait donc une réservation en moins à gérer.

Cordialement

Thomas Gratier



Le mer. 28 août 2019 à 16:23, Christine Karch  a
écrit :

> Bonjour,
>
> un petit indication pour SotM à Heidelberg: la conférence est presque
> complète ...
>
> Á bientôt
>
> Christine
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Re: [Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

[Mark Goodge]

On 02/09/2019 14:58, David Woolley wrote:

On 02/09/2019 14:48, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Sometimes they want us to add a "vehicle=no" to a track that has
absolutely no signposts whatsoever locally, meaning that nobody can
verify that vehicles are forbidden and no local motorist would be turned
away


This could conflict with a trend that I believe is developing, at least 
for more formal roads, of removing signage, because it distracts 
drivers, and relying on satellite navigators to provide the information 
instead.


That's certainly not a trend in the UK. At the moment, the problem is 
the opposite: how to ensure that people obey the signs rather than 
following sat-nav. For example:


https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/lorry-driver-sat-nav-nightmare-683052

One of the issues with relying on sat-nav is that the device data often 
isn't updated very often. Unless the government can impose some kind of 
legally binding SLA on the device manufacturers to ensure that all data 
updates are performed within a specified period of time, then you can't 
rely on people having current information. If a road is closed, then 
people need to know it's closed from the moment it's closed - waiting 
for their navigation software to update isn't good enough!


Whilst this probably doesn't currently apply to prohibitions, a logical 
extension, at some time in the near future, might be to make the 
electronic map definitive in all cases.


If we ever do get a situation where the electronic map is the definitive 
record of prohibitions and other relevant mapping data, then it will 
need to be available via an open licence (presumably OGL, here in the 
UK). So presumably we'd be able to import that directly into OSM via an 
API call or data dump. But it would probably need a set of specific tags 
that don't conflict with those used by people mapping from observation.


Mark

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[OSM-talk-fr] Bureau de Poste -> Agence (?) en Mairie

[Jacques Lavignotte]

Bonjour,

https://datanova.legroupe.laposte.fr/explore/dataset/laposte_poincont2/table/?disjunctive.caracteristique_du_site_postal_insee_du_geocodage=vouneuil-sous-biard

16354A a fermé et remplacé par 14079D

J'ai supprimé 16354A et créé 14079D incomplet (74003788) car qui est 
maintenant l'exploitant ? C'est le personnel municipal qui vend les timbres.


Merci, J.

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Re: [Talk-es] Toponimia en Galicia

[Diego Cruz]

Hola, Daniel:

Concuerdo punto por punto con tu análisis, como he indicado en esta lista y
en el grupo de Telegram. En este último, por cierto, yo no he percibido
ambiente de bronca en ningún momento, aunque las posturas se hayan
defendido categóricamente (si acaso ha habido algo de sarcasmo en alguna
ocasión). Es más, algunos usuarios han dicho que se alegraban de que
pudiésemos hablar de ello civilizadamente. Si se ha debatido en más foros y
ha habido broncas y supremacismo, lo desconozco.

Un saludo a todos
Diego

El lun., 2 sept. 2019 a las 14:47, dcapillae ()
escribió:

> Buenos días.
>
> Comparto uno de mis mensajes intercambiados con Iván por si ayuda a
> clarificar cómo se deberían usar las etiquetas de nombres. El mensaje es
> mío, no es de Iván, así que no me preocupa especialmente compartirlo.
>
>
> Hola, Iván.
>
> Gracias por tu respuesta. Perdóname una contestación tan extensa. Léela con
> atención, por favor. Permíteme un comentario inicial sobre tu referencia a
> la lista de correo.
>
> Sí, la lista de correo española es un poco jungla. A mí tampoco me gusta
> participar de ella, pero es lo que tenemos. Debemos usarla para
> comunicarnos. Intentaré poner de mi parte para que sea un foro más
> agradable
> de visitar.
>
> Si te parece bien, dejemos a la sociedad al margen de todo esto. Yo no me
> identifico con sociedad alguna, mucho menos con la opinión mayoritaria de
> ninguna lista o grupo de usuarios de OSM. También debemos dejar al margen
> las motivaciones políticas. No debemos imponer nuestra voluntad política al
> mapa. No quiero despreciar tus motivos ni ofender tus sentimientos, pero ni
> las motivaciones política ni nuestros sentimientos nos van a ayudar a
> resolver el problema. Hablemos de cómo poner las etiquetas en casos de
> nombres multilingües [A]. Deberíamos llegar a entendernos como dos
> mapeadores con experiencia en estos temas, porque la solución está en cómo
> usar correctamente esas etiquetas.
>
> Tenemos que partir de un punto inicial en el que estemos de acuerdo. Si te
> parece bien, ese punto podría ser que la ciudad de A Coruña tiene un nombre
> y ese nombre es «A Coruña». [1]
>
> El segundo punto en el que deberíamos estar de acuerdo es que «A Coruña» es
> además el nombre oficial de la ciudad, es decir, que no solo es el nombre
> por el que todo el mundo la conoce si no que además ha sido aprobado por un
> organismo gubernamental. [2]
>
> El tercer punto en el que vamos a coincidir es que A Coruña tiene además
> otros nombres, nombres en otros idiomas, que no son oficiales pero que
> igualmente se usan en función de las comunidades lingüísticas a las que
> hagamos referencia [3]: tiene nombre en español, en ruso, en catalán, en
> inglés, en francés… Estos nombres no son oficiales ni están aprobados por
> ningún organismo gubernamental, como tampoco lo estaba originalmente el
> nombre en gallego. Son nombres que las comunidades lingüísticas usan para
> referirse a lugares en distintos idiomas. Si las Cortes españolas o la
> Xunta
> de Galicia desaparecieran de un día para otro, A Coruña seguiría siendo «A
> Coruña».
>
> ¿Estamos de acuerdo en estos tres puntos? Pienso que podemos estar de
> acuerdo. Son de sentido común. Empecemos a comentar cada uno respecto a
> cómo
> etiquetarlos en OSM.
>
> [1] El primero es obvio. El nombre de A Coruña debe ir en el espacio de
> nombres principal, la etiqueta «name»:
>
> name = A Coruña
>
> [2] Pasemos al segundo punto, el nombre oficial. En principio, uno pensaría
> que para el nombre oficial podría ser adecuado usar la etiqueta
> «official_name=». Sin embargo, seŕia un error usarla para el caso de A
> Coruña. La etiqueta «official_name=» está pensada para clarificar
> situaciones en las que el nombre común y el nombre oficial no coinciden. En
> el caso de A Coruña, coinciden, luego no es aplicable. Se usa en casos como
> este:
>
> name = Chile
> official_name = República de Chile
>
> O bien,
>
> name = Venezuela
> official_name = República Bolivariana de Venezuela
>
> En la lista de correo he publicado un mensaje explicando por qué añadir la
> etiqueta «official_name=» no le aporta nada al nombre de A Coruña [B].
>
> [3] Llegamos al punto tres, el auténtico meollo del problema. ¿Cómo
> resuelve
> OSM el tema de lugares que tienen nombres en distintos idiomas? Pues muy
> sencillo, reservando un espacio de nombres específico para cada idioma,
> «name:xx=*». Estas etiquetas no entran en conflicto entre sí, que es de lo
> que se trata, de evitar el conflicto entre mapeadores individuales que
> hablan distintas lenguas. Tampoco sustituyen al espacio de nombres
> principal, que es bueno, el que todo el mundo a escala planetaria reconoce
> sin importar el idioma que use. Que A Coruña tenga una etiqueta «name:fr=La
> Corogne» o «name:es=La Coruña» no entra en conflicto con su nombre
> principal, el oficial, el que todo el mundo conoce, A Coruña.
>
> En hispanoamérica A Coruña y Ourense son reconocidas por sus nombres en
> español, 

Re: [Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

[Jez Nicholson]

Indeed, Frederik speaks wise words.

The role of OSMUK has been to handhold, that is 'support or guide (someone)
during a learning process or a period of change'. We've been there to
encourage them to work with the community to identify how they might tag,
and for them to publish their plans.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 2:48 PM Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 02.09.19 15:30, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> > Following on from their talk at the OSMUK AGM, the National Trust have
> > now created an official 'organised edit' page for their footpath
> > project
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/National_Trust_Paths
>
> It sounds like a well thought out plan.
>
> From a DWG perspective there's one small warning light that I have in my
> head, triggered by terms like "standard" and "validated": It must be
> clear to everyone involved that ultimate authority over what gets mapped
> and how does not lie with the National Trust, and neither does OSMUK
> have a mandate to enter into agreements on behalf of the OSM community
> that would determine exactly which ways may be mapped, and what tags to
> use.
>
> As long as everyone in this project is clear that it is ultimately local
> mappers who get to say what goes in, and that they don't need agreement
> from the National Trust or from OSMUK, then I guess all is well.
>
> At DWG, we frequently have issues where organisations like the NT (or
> smaller, local woodland trusts and the like) would like OSM to delete
> outright a track that clearly exists in reality, because they say it
> "leads to misunderstandings" or "is not official" or "is dangerous" or
> something. To which of course the usual reply is "let us tag the correct
> situation in OSM, but a track that clearly exists cannot be deleted".
> Sometimes they want us to add a "vehicle=no" to a track that has
> absolutely no signposts whatsoever locally, meaning that nobody can
> verify that vehicles are forbidden and no local motorist would be turned
> away - this is also a case where we'd usually say "put up a sign, or put
> up with cars".
>
> Sometimes the goals of these conservation organisations are opposed to
> those we have in OSM - they often want to direct human activity in a
> certain desired way, whereas we want to depict reality as good as we can
> and let humans make their choice based on that.
>
> A cooperation like the one described here can be beneficial to all sides
> if one is aware of exactly where the parties have the same goals, and
> where the goals might differ, and establish clear rules for these cases.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
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Re: [Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

[David Woolley]

On 02/09/2019 14:48, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Sometimes they want us to add a "vehicle=no" to a track that has
absolutely no signposts whatsoever locally, meaning that nobody can
verify that vehicles are forbidden and no local motorist would be turned
away


This could conflict with a trend that I believe is developing, at least 
for more formal roads, of removing signage, because it distracts 
drivers, and relying on satellite navigators to provide the information 
instead.


Whilst this probably doesn't currently apply to prohibitions, a logical 
extension, at some time in the near future, might be to make the 
electronic map definitive in all cases.


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Re: [Talk-es] Dehesas

[dcapillae]

Hola, Diego.

Si ves que pasa el tiempo y nadie comenta, te recomiendo que pasados unos
días vuelvas a mover el tema en la lista de etiquetado. Allí la gente es
bastante participativa, pero a veces unos temas se montan sobre otros y van
quedando relegados los más antiguos. En esos casos, un comentario del autor
del hilo puede reanimar el debate.

Yo también estoy siguiendo los comentarios. Si puedo aportar algo, lo haré.
Tu propuesta parece que inicialmente ha sido bien recibida.



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Re: [Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 02.09.19 15:30, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> Following on from their talk at the OSMUK AGM, the National Trust have
> now created an official 'organised edit' page for their footpath
> project 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/National_Trust_Paths

It sounds like a well thought out plan.

From a DWG perspective there's one small warning light that I have in my
head, triggered by terms like "standard" and "validated": It must be
clear to everyone involved that ultimate authority over what gets mapped
and how does not lie with the National Trust, and neither does OSMUK
have a mandate to enter into agreements on behalf of the OSM community
that would determine exactly which ways may be mapped, and what tags to use.

As long as everyone in this project is clear that it is ultimately local
mappers who get to say what goes in, and that they don't need agreement
from the National Trust or from OSMUK, then I guess all is well.

At DWG, we frequently have issues where organisations like the NT (or
smaller, local woodland trusts and the like) would like OSM to delete
outright a track that clearly exists in reality, because they say it
"leads to misunderstandings" or "is not official" or "is dangerous" or
something. To which of course the usual reply is "let us tag the correct
situation in OSM, but a track that clearly exists cannot be deleted".
Sometimes they want us to add a "vehicle=no" to a track that has
absolutely no signposts whatsoever locally, meaning that nobody can
verify that vehicles are forbidden and no local motorist would be turned
away - this is also a case where we'd usually say "put up a sign, or put
up with cars".

Sometimes the goals of these conservation organisations are opposed to
those we have in OSM - they often want to direct human activity in a
certain desired way, whereas we want to depict reality as good as we can
and let humans make their choice based on that.

A cooperation like the one described here can be beneficial to all sides
if one is aware of exactly where the parties have the same goals, and
where the goals might differ, and establish clear rules for these cases.

Bye
Frederik

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[Talk-GB] National Trust Paths organised edit page

[Jez Nicholson]

Following on from their talk at the OSMUK AGM, the National Trust have now
created an official 'organised edit' page for their footpath project
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/National_Trust_Paths
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Re: [Talk-GB] Fixing shop=yes, now it no longer renders on the default OSM map

[Stuart Reynolds]

And this is the problem. One of the shop=yes entries in Southend on sea is The 
Range. I wasn’t sure how to tag it (I was using iD for speed, and it’s list of 
defined shop tags is fairly minimal) so I tried an overpass query on Name=The 
Range.

I have found, variously (aside from those without a shop tag at all) 
“houseware”, “household”, “doityourself”, “department_store”.

I would suggest that “houseware” or “household” (is this a recognised tag?) 
comes closest, or maybe even (from the Wiki - I haven’t found live examples 
yet) “variety_store"

But how to tell! There isn’t a standardised approach, by any stretch of the 
imagination.

Regards,
Stuart Reynolds
for traveline south east and anglia

On 2 Sep 2019, at 14:20, Jez Nicholson 
mailto:jez.nichol...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Whilst we are on the subject of shops (I hope this isn't dragging the 
discussion too far off topic) people may be interested how editors like iD and 
Vespucci get lists of UK shop names to suggest in drop-downs. The Name 
Suggestion Index contains json encoded descriptions of retail brands and can be 
browsed using https://osmlab.github.io/name-suggestion-index/  this page lets 
you enter 'gb' as a county code to show only UK shops.

I don't know (yet) how iD generates its list of shop types. This may be 
hard-coded and/or pre-generated from the NSI.

The excellent 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Retail_chains_in_the_United_Kingdom OSM 
Wiki page is a good driver for getting content into the NSI as we include 
evidence of the name with an image.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 1:59 PM Jez Nicholson 
mailto:jez.nichol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks for the heads up.

I specifically use it when I know that a shop exists, and am due to survey it 
to say what it is. So I guess it doesn't hurt if those aren't rendered..but 
please, people in general, don't just delete them.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 1:43 PM Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) 
mailto:robert.whittaker%2b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Since version 4.22 of the Carto map style (which was deployed a few
days ago), the generic shop=yes tag is no longer rendered on the
default OSM-Carto map at https://www.openstreetmap.org/ . For details
of the decision see
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3697 .

In Great Britain,
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/shop#values shows we
currently have 7,772 objects tagged with shop=yes, which represents
4.18% of our total shop=* objects. These objects will no longer appear
on the default map (unless they have other renderable tags). To have
the objects display again, we need to give them more specific shop=*
tags. Often, an appropriate shop value can be deduced from the shop
name, its website, or other existing tagging on OSM, without needing a
ground survey.

Any mappers with a few minutes to spare might like to have a look at
their local area, and see if there are any shop=yes objects they could
re-tag with a more specific value. Some resources to help:

* Overpass Turbo query to find shop=yes objects:
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/M0w (Pan/zoom to the area of interest, then
click on run. Try a smaller area if the query times out.)

* OSM WIki Key:Shop page, with values for common shop types:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shop

* Taginfo GB shop values:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/shop#values (Use the search
box at the top right of the *table* to get suggestions for the common
tag for a particular shop type.)

Best wishes,

Robert.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Fixing shop=yes, now it no longer renders on the default OSM map

[Jez Nicholson]

Whilst we are on the subject of shops (I hope this isn't dragging the
discussion too far off topic) people may be interested how editors like iD
and Vespucci get lists of UK shop names to suggest in drop-downs. The Name
Suggestion Index contains json encoded descriptions of retail brands and
can be browsed using https://osmlab.github.io/name-suggestion-index/  this
page lets you enter 'gb' as a county code to show only UK shops.

I don't know (yet) how iD generates its list of shop types. This may be
hard-coded and/or pre-generated from the NSI.

The excellent
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Retail_chains_in_the_United_Kingdom OSM
Wiki page is a good driver for getting content into the NSI as we include
evidence of the name with an image.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 1:59 PM Jez Nicholson 
wrote:

> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> I specifically use it when I know that a shop exists, and am due to survey
> it to say what it is. So I guess it doesn't hurt if those aren't
> rendered..but please, people in general, don't just delete them.
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 1:43 PM Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) <
> robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Since version 4.22 of the Carto map style (which was deployed a few
>> days ago), the generic shop=yes tag is no longer rendered on the
>> default OSM-Carto map at https://www.openstreetmap.org/ . For details
>> of the decision see
>> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3697 .
>>
>> In Great Britain,
>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/shop#values shows we
>> currently have 7,772 objects tagged with shop=yes, which represents
>> 4.18% of our total shop=* objects. These objects will no longer appear
>> on the default map (unless they have other renderable tags). To have
>> the objects display again, we need to give them more specific shop=*
>> tags. Often, an appropriate shop value can be deduced from the shop
>> name, its website, or other existing tagging on OSM, without needing a
>> ground survey.
>>
>> Any mappers with a few minutes to spare might like to have a look at
>> their local area, and see if there are any shop=yes objects they could
>> re-tag with a more specific value. Some resources to help:
>>
>> * Overpass Turbo query to find shop=yes objects:
>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/M0w (Pan/zoom to the area of interest, then
>> click on run. Try a smaller area if the query times out.)
>>
>> * OSM WIki Key:Shop page, with values for common shop types:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shop
>>
>> * Taginfo GB shop values:
>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/shop#values (Use the search
>> box at the top right of the *table* to get suggestions for the common
>> tag for a particular shop type.)
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Robert.
>>
>> --
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>> https://osm.mathmos.net/
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Re: [Talk-it] tangenziale ovest a Racconigi (CN)

[Andrea Pellegrini]

Ciao,
Ho aggiunto il tratto di strada e le 3 rotonde: #73999541 
.

Come ho scritto nella descrizione della modifica, è necessario verificare 
l’esatta posizione delle rotonde in quanto attraverso le immagini satellitari 
(solo quelle di Maxar) non erano ancora presenti. Mi sono basato sui disegni 
della Provincia.

Aggiungo che è necessario anche verificare come viene attraversato il Canale 
Brunotta. Probabilmente, essendo piccolo è solo intubato (e quindi non credo 
vada inserito un ponte).

Ultimo dubbio è sulla denominazione, l’ho segnato come SP30, in quanto il 
tratto è utile a superare il centro per innestarsi su quella strada.


Spero di non aver fatto troppi danni.

Ciao Ciao


Andrea Pellegrini
346 705 0039 
Via Superga, 5
Pino Torinese (TO) Italy

pe...@andreapellegrini.net
 andreapellegrini.net 


> On 31 Aug 2019, at 08:47, Lorenzo Rolla  wrote:
> 
> Buongiorno a tutti. Leggo sulla Stampa che martedì 3 settembre verrà 
> inaugurata la tangenziale ovest di Racconigi (CN). Qualcuno più esperto 
> potrebbe procedere all'aggiornamento? Grazie e buon fine settimana. Lorenzo
> 
> https://www.lastampa.it/cuneo/2019/08/30/news/pronta-dopo-vent-anni-di-progetti-e-rinvii-la-tangenziale-ovest-di-racconigi-1.37396793
>  
> 
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id#map=17/44.76744/7.66814 
> 
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id#map=16/44.7471/7.6786 
> 
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Re: [talk-cz] OSM pivo 3Q/2019

[Tom Ka]

Brno klasika: U kormidla 18:00.


On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 14:26 Milan Cerny  wrote:

> Připomínám, ve středu je opět termín OSM piva.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12zGtW414R9se_g_87FdmpHj2B6xO1gf5mG94avTmFb4/edit#gid=1556834962
>
> Milan
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Re: [Talk-GB] Fixing shop=yes, now it no longer renders on the default OSM map

[Jez Nicholson]

Thanks for the heads up.

I specifically use it when I know that a shop exists, and am due to survey
it to say what it is. So I guess it doesn't hurt if those aren't
rendered..but please, people in general, don't just delete them.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 1:43 PM Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) <
robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Since version 4.22 of the Carto map style (which was deployed a few
> days ago), the generic shop=yes tag is no longer rendered on the
> default OSM-Carto map at https://www.openstreetmap.org/ . For details
> of the decision see
> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3697 .
>
> In Great Britain,
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/shop#values shows we
> currently have 7,772 objects tagged with shop=yes, which represents
> 4.18% of our total shop=* objects. These objects will no longer appear
> on the default map (unless they have other renderable tags). To have
> the objects display again, we need to give them more specific shop=*
> tags. Often, an appropriate shop value can be deduced from the shop
> name, its website, or other existing tagging on OSM, without needing a
> ground survey.
>
> Any mappers with a few minutes to spare might like to have a look at
> their local area, and see if there are any shop=yes objects they could
> re-tag with a more specific value. Some resources to help:
>
> * Overpass Turbo query to find shop=yes objects:
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/M0w (Pan/zoom to the area of interest, then
> click on run. Try a smaller area if the query times out.)
>
> * OSM WIki Key:Shop page, with values for common shop types:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shop
>
> * Taginfo GB shop values:
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/shop#values (Use the search
> box at the top right of the *table* to get suggestions for the common
> tag for a particular shop type.)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Robert.
>
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> https://osm.mathmos.net/
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Re: [Talk-es] Toponimia en Galicia

[dcapillae]

Buenos días.

Comparto uno de mis mensajes intercambiados con Iván por si ayuda a
clarificar cómo se deberían usar las etiquetas de nombres. El mensaje es
mío, no es de Iván, así que no me preocupa especialmente compartirlo.


Hola, Iván.

Gracias por tu respuesta. Perdóname una contestación tan extensa. Léela con
atención, por favor. Permíteme un comentario inicial sobre tu referencia a
la lista de correo.

Sí, la lista de correo española es un poco jungla. A mí tampoco me gusta
participar de ella, pero es lo que tenemos. Debemos usarla para
comunicarnos. Intentaré poner de mi parte para que sea un foro más agradable
de visitar.

Si te parece bien, dejemos a la sociedad al margen de todo esto. Yo no me
identifico con sociedad alguna, mucho menos con la opinión mayoritaria de
ninguna lista o grupo de usuarios de OSM. También debemos dejar al margen
las motivaciones políticas. No debemos imponer nuestra voluntad política al
mapa. No quiero despreciar tus motivos ni ofender tus sentimientos, pero ni
las motivaciones política ni nuestros sentimientos nos van a ayudar a
resolver el problema. Hablemos de cómo poner las etiquetas en casos de
nombres multilingües [A]. Deberíamos llegar a entendernos como dos
mapeadores con experiencia en estos temas, porque la solución está en cómo
usar correctamente esas etiquetas.

Tenemos que partir de un punto inicial en el que estemos de acuerdo. Si te
parece bien, ese punto podría ser que la ciudad de A Coruña tiene un nombre
y ese nombre es «A Coruña». [1]

El segundo punto en el que deberíamos estar de acuerdo es que «A Coruña» es
además el nombre oficial de la ciudad, es decir, que no solo es el nombre
por el que todo el mundo la conoce si no que además ha sido aprobado por un
organismo gubernamental. [2]

El tercer punto en el que vamos a coincidir es que A Coruña tiene además
otros nombres, nombres en otros idiomas, que no son oficiales pero que
igualmente se usan en función de las comunidades lingüísticas a las que
hagamos referencia [3]: tiene nombre en español, en ruso, en catalán, en
inglés, en francés… Estos nombres no son oficiales ni están aprobados por
ningún organismo gubernamental, como tampoco lo estaba originalmente el
nombre en gallego. Son nombres que las comunidades lingüísticas usan para
referirse a lugares en distintos idiomas. Si las Cortes españolas o la Xunta
de Galicia desaparecieran de un día para otro, A Coruña seguiría siendo «A
Coruña».

¿Estamos de acuerdo en estos tres puntos? Pienso que podemos estar de
acuerdo. Son de sentido común. Empecemos a comentar cada uno respecto a cómo
etiquetarlos en OSM.

[1] El primero es obvio. El nombre de A Coruña debe ir en el espacio de
nombres principal, la etiqueta «name»:

name = A Coruña

[2] Pasemos al segundo punto, el nombre oficial. En principio, uno pensaría
que para el nombre oficial podría ser adecuado usar la etiqueta
«official_name=». Sin embargo, seŕia un error usarla para el caso de A
Coruña. La etiqueta «official_name=» está pensada para clarificar
situaciones en las que el nombre común y el nombre oficial no coinciden. En
el caso de A Coruña, coinciden, luego no es aplicable. Se usa en casos como
este:

name = Chile
official_name = República de Chile

O bien,

name = Venezuela
official_name = República Bolivariana de Venezuela

En la lista de correo he publicado un mensaje explicando por qué añadir la
etiqueta «official_name=» no le aporta nada al nombre de A Coruña [B].

[3] Llegamos al punto tres, el auténtico meollo del problema. ¿Cómo resuelve
OSM el tema de lugares que tienen nombres en distintos idiomas? Pues muy
sencillo, reservando un espacio de nombres específico para cada idioma,
«name:xx=*». Estas etiquetas no entran en conflicto entre sí, que es de lo
que se trata, de evitar el conflicto entre mapeadores individuales que
hablan distintas lenguas. Tampoco sustituyen al espacio de nombres
principal, que es bueno, el que todo el mundo a escala planetaria reconoce
sin importar el idioma que use. Que A Coruña tenga una etiqueta «name:fr=La
Corogne» o «name:es=La Coruña» no entra en conflicto con su nombre
principal, el oficial, el que todo el mundo conoce, A Coruña.

En hispanoamérica A Coruña y Ourense son reconocidas por sus nombres en
español, Orense y La Coruña. Si vas a una agencia de viajes en Argentina,
verás que se refieren a Ourense y A Coruña en español. Es normal (como
curiosidad te diré que al unirme a la comunidad argentina de OSM no me
reconocieron como español sino como «gallego»).

Yo mismo uso «La Coruña» cuando escribo textos en español. No usaría ese
nombre si estuviese escribiendo un texto en otro idioma o hablando a una
audiencia que no habla español. Tampoco lo usaría en una publicación
oficial, porque su nombre oficial no es ése. Solo lo usaría cuando me
dirigiera a una audiencia de hispanohablantes en su idioma, lo mismo que
usaría el nombre en francés si me estuviese dirigiendo a un público
francófono.

Todos esos nombres en distintos idiomas están en uso y 

[Talk-GB] Fixing shop=yes, now it no longer renders on the default OSM map

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

Since version 4.22 of the Carto map style (which was deployed a few
days ago), the generic shop=yes tag is no longer rendered on the
default OSM-Carto map at https://www.openstreetmap.org/ . For details
of the decision see
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3697 .

In Great Britain,
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/shop#values shows we
currently have 7,772 objects tagged with shop=yes, which represents
4.18% of our total shop=* objects. These objects will no longer appear
on the default map (unless they have other renderable tags). To have
the objects display again, we need to give them more specific shop=*
tags. Often, an appropriate shop value can be deduced from the shop
name, its website, or other existing tagging on OSM, without needing a
ground survey.

Any mappers with a few minutes to spare might like to have a look at
their local area, and see if there are any shop=yes objects they could
re-tag with a more specific value. Some resources to help:

* Overpass Turbo query to find shop=yes objects:
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/M0w (Pan/zoom to the area of interest, then
click on run. Try a smaller area if the query times out.)

* OSM WIki Key:Shop page, with values for common shop types:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shop

* Taginfo GB shop values:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/shop#values (Use the search
box at the top right of the *table* to get suggestions for the common
tag for a particular shop type.)

Best wishes,

Robert.

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Re: [Talk-es] Toponimia en Galicia

[dcapillae]

Buenos tardes.

Mucho me temo que la actitud de Iván no ha cambiado. [1]

Ya hemos discutido bastante sobre este tema en la lista y en el wiki [2]. No
vamos discutir para siempre ni consentir una guerra de edición en el mapa.
Si en unos días no hay respuesta positiva, tendré que denunciar el caso al
Grupo de Trabajo de Datos [3]. No creo que pueda hacer más de lo que estoy
haciendo por resolverlo amigablemente.


[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/73992311
[2]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES_talk:Espa%C3%B1a/Normalizaci%C3%B3n
[3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data_working_group



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[Talk-pt] Vandalismo no mapa de Portugal - Souto - Gondomar

[Topo Lusitania Lusitania via Talk-pt]

Bom dia

Lamento ter de escrever este mail.
Há um individuo de nome José Moura (link abaixo) que deliberadamente alterou 
zonas na povoação do Souto falsificando o mapa.
Os erros são de tal modo graves que exigiram uma rápida correcção, sem aguardar 
as suas explicações.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/José%20Moura

Cumprimentos
TL
(Explicações mais detalhadas poderão ser enviadas)

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Import traces sentier Lacs des volcans d’Auvergne

[THEVENON Julien via Talk-fr]

   Le vendredi 30 août 2019 à 09:29:55 UTC+2, Irina  a écrit 
:  
 
   > Bonjour à tous

Bonjour,
Au final plein de mails sur des considerations juridiques mais j ai l 
impression que personne ne t a repondu
> Grands mercis à nouveau pour vos contributions. > J’ai téléchargé en mode 
> identifiable les 4 fichiers qui constituent l’ensemble du GR30 :
> -Auto 30-JUL-19 09.48.57 AM.gpx appelé 
> SentierLaBourboule-SalonduCapucin-MontDore
> -Auto 31-JUL-19 09.47.00 AM.gpx appelé SentierLaBourboule-LacdeServières 
> -Auto 01-AUG-19 08.54.34 AM.gpx appelé SentierLacdeServières-Montlosier
> -Current.gpx appelé SentierMontlosier-SalonduCapucin-MontDore
 
Super d avoir uploade les traces !

> Mais j’avoue ne pas savoir trop quoi en faire : sur cette page par exemple 
> (voir schéma joint https://framagenda.org/s/S6iyM9jSS2t9Yig) 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?gpx=3086917#map=20/45.58652/2.78412 où > 
> je visionne (ligne rose) les traces du fichier ‘Auto 30-JUL-19 09.48.57 
> AM.gpx’, je voudrais déplacer une petite portion ou raccorder 2 morceaux, 
> mais je n’arrive pas à trouver la façon de faire...
Vu la capture d ecran personnellement j aurais tendance a te conseiller d 
utiliser l editeur JOSM, je le trouve plus adapte pour ce genre d editions.Tu 
peux facilent bouger les ways, les couper les raccorder etc

> Faut-il recréer une ligne en repassant sur les 200km de l’ensemble des traces 
> ?
 
Non. Ce qu il faut c est suivre ta trace pour voir si des portions ont deja ete 
tracees ou si d autres sont manquantes.Si des sections sont manquantes alors il 
faut que tu les traces a la main en decalquant par dessus ta trace GPS avec les 
bon tags et que tu les raccordes aux traces existantes. A toi de mettre le 
nombre de points qui vont bien en fonction de la geometrie de la trace ( pas de 
besoin d un point tous les 10cm si c est une grande ligne droite )

>Sinon, je vois que certaines portions sont déjà décrites (sentier, route…) 
>mais que la nouvelle trace déposée n’est pas tout à fait en correspondance 
>avec…Suivant les conditions meteo, la precision de ton GPS ou celles de traces 
>anciennes etc tu peux voir des ecarts, la correspondance n est pas forcement 
>parfaite
Dans ce cas la il faut que tu juges en fonction de ton bon sens et des sources 
disponibles (moyenne des traces uploadees dans OSM, imagerie cadastres etc ) 
quel est le meilleur trace et si necessaire modifier l existant

 > Comment faire un seul linéaire qui représente le sentier qu’on pourrait 
 > dénommer ‘Lacs des volcans d’Auvergne’, 

Je pense que tu ne pourras pas avoir un seul way, c est plutot une sucession de 
ways differents qui mis bout a bout forment l itineraire
> avec par exemple ces identifiants "highway=path", trail_visibility=excellent 
> (sinon quoi d’autre?), surface=*, name=sentier Lacs des volcans d’Auvergne, 
> ref=* ?
Si les informations comme highway trail_visibility surface etc sont manquante 
sur certains ways tu les rajoutes.Pour ce qui est de name et ref comme il s 
agit d un itineraire j aurais plutot tendance a creer une relation route et a 
les renseigner dessus

Julien
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Re: [Talk-es] Elección de la importancia de las calles en Madrid

[Ismael Aderdor Domingo]

Estoy muy de acuerdo contigo. En general, parece que las etiquetas en
muchas calles no están puestas en base a criterios objetivos.

Más que hablar de calles concretas, creo que habría que fijar algún
criterio para aplicar una etiqueta u otra.

El lun., 2 sept. 2019 a las 9:36, Alejandro Moreno ()
escribió:

> Buenos días.
>
> Os escribo porque en Villa de Vallecas (Madrid) hay varias avenidas que no
> están marcadas como primary ni como secondary y para mí sí deberían serlo
> correspondientes a la nueva parte que se ha hecho en el PAU de Vallecas.
> Puesto que no sé si hay algún criterio definido para este tipo de calles en
> Madrid dejo aquí mi propuesta para consensuarla.
>
> Calles primary:
> - Avenida del Mayorazgo.
> - Avenida Ensanche de Vallecas
>
> Calle Secondary:
> - Avenida de la Gavia
> - Avenida de las Suertes
> - Avenida de Cartagena de Indias
>
>
> Un saludo.
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Re: [Talk-es] Toponimia en Galicia

[dcapillae]

Buenas días.

Ayer contacté con Iván por mensaje privado. Las motivaciones políticas de
estos cambios son evidentes, ya han quedado de manifiesto. Iván está
equivocado pero le cuesta reconocerlo. Quizás no lo reconozca nunca, no lo
sé.

Me ha dado permiso para compartir nuestra conversación en este foro, aunque
no lo voy a hacer salvo que sea estrictamente necesario. Finalmente,
prefiere evitar cualquier polémica y dejará de modificar los topónimos en
español. Eso me ha dicho.

También me ha comentado que estas cosas le desaniman mucho. Le comprendo, a
mí también. Por eso digo que estas polémicas estériles deberíamos evitarlas.
La cuestión de los nombres multilingües ya está resuelta en OSM y muy bien
resuelta [1]. Cualquier polémica con respecto a este tema, a ver si queda
claro de una vez por todas y para siempre, es innecesaria. Evitémoslas
entonces.

Volviendo a mi conversación con Iván, me gustaría hacer un poco de
autocrítica. Me ha comentado que las conversaciones en otros foros han sido
broncas e irrespetuosas. No sé si será cierto, no participo en esos foros.
Yo solo uso la lista, el wiki y el sitio web de OSM para comunicarme con
vosotros. No obstante, puede que el tono de mis mensajes en este foro haya
animado las malas contestaciones en otros. Pido disculpas si ha sido así,
aunque no sé hasta qué punto puedo considerarme responsable de los
comentarios de terceras personas en foros en los que ni siquiera participo.
Le he dicho a Iván que colaboraré para que esta lista sea un lugar más
amable. Empecemos por no crear polémicas innecesarias.

A mí no me preocupa crear polémica o resultar provocador, pero esa polémica
y esa provocación debe servir para algo. Enfrentar unas lenguas con otras o
unos territorios con otros no conduce a nada salvo a faltarnos el respeto
los unos a los otros y, en última instancia, a matarnos unos a otros. Esto
se tiene que terminar y la comunidad española tiene que hacer algo al
respecto. Muchas veces en pensado en comunicarme directamente con la
Fundación para tratar este tema, pero aún tengo un mínimo de confianza en
esta comunidad. A ver si reaccionamos todos de una vez, dejamos de perder el
tiempo en polémicas estériles, de desanimarnos los unos a otros con censuras
y comentarios fuera de tono y nos dedicamos a lo que nos gusta, a editar el
mapa, a colaborar unos con otros y a crear comunidad.

El nombre de A Coruña es A Coruña. Su nombre en español es La Coruña. El
nombre de Ourense es Ourense. Su nombre en español es Orense. Quien inicie
una guerra de edición sobre este tema debe ser reportado inmediatamente al
Grupo de Trabajo de Datos. No solo se trata de mantener la corrección en el
etiquetado o de cuidar de la base de datos, como apuntaba Miguel en un
mensaje previo, se trata también de proteger a esta comunidad de actitudes
indeseables que no conducen a nada y nos perjudican a todos.

Por favor, poned de vuestra parte. Yo colaboro con todo el mundo sin
importarme que idioma hable, que comida coma o a que dios rece. Su ideología
política no me interesa, no le voy a preguntar si es militante de ningún
partido. Me da igual. Lo que no quiero es participar de una comunidad en la
que se dedica más tiempo a atacar el idioma de los demás que a colaborar
para que todos los idiomas encuentre su espacio en el mapa.

Yo colaboraré si vosotros colaboráis.

A Iván decirle, como le comenté en privado, que reconsidere su postura y que
no se desanime. Esperemos que todo esto pase y no vuelva a ocurrir nunca
más. Insisto en lo que decía al principio, es vuestra responsabilidad.

Atentamente,
Daniel

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names



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Re: [Talk-pt] Removing "WikiProject" prefix

[Nuno Azevedo]

Plenamente de acordo.



 
Nuno MAS Azevedo
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No dia 02/09/2019, às 10:44, Jorge Gustavo Rocha  escreveu:

> +1
> 
> Obrigado!
> 
> Às 14:52 de 01/09/19, dcapillae escreveu:
>> [Mensagem em inglês com tradução automática para português]
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am Daniel, from Spain. I would like to change the name of the wiki
>> pages related to the Portugal mapping project to remove the
>> "Wikiproject" prefix according to the pages name conventions [1].
>> 
>> The name of the pages related to the Portugal mapping project would be
>> "Portugal" (name of place) instead of "Wikiproject Portugal", as
>> recommended by the wiki conventions. It is a change that I have already
>> made in United States [2], Canada [3], Spain [4], Australia [5], New
>> Zealand [6], South Africa [7], and all Spanish-speaking countries [8].
>> The pages of Israel, Denmark, Norway, United Kingdom, Italy, Germany and
>> Philippines have also been renamed (soon also France).
>> 
>> All pages with "WikiProject" prefix will be redirected automatically.
>> There will be no broken links in any case.  I'll make sure everything
>> works correctly, just like now.
>> 
>> Do you like the idea? I have posted this message on the wiki in case you
>> prefer to comment there [9].
>> 
>> Thank you for you attention! Greetings from Spain.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Daniel
>> 
>> 
>> [Tradução automática]
>> 
>> Hola,
>> 
>> Eu sou o Daniel, de Espanha. Eu gostaria de mudar o nome das páginas
>> wiki relacionadas ao projeto de mapeamento de Portugal para remover o
>> prefixo "Wikiprojeto" de acordo com as convenções de nomes de páginas [1].
>> 
>> O nome das páginas relacionadas ao projeto de mapeamento de Portugal
>> seria "Portugal" (nome do lugar) em vez de "Wikiprojeto Portugal", como
>> recomendado pelas convenções wiki. É uma mudança que já fiz nos Estados
>> Unidos [2], Canadá [3], Espanha [4], Austrália [5], Nova Zelândia [6],
>> África do Sul [7] e todos os países de língua espanhola [8]. As páginas
>> de Israel, Dinamarca, Noruega, Reino Unido, Itália, Alemanha e Filipinas
>> também foram renomeadas (em breve também em França).
>> 
>> Todas as páginas com o prefixo "WikiProject" serão redireccionadas
>> automaticamente. Não haverá links quebrados em nenhum caso.  Vou
>> certificar-me de que tudo funciona correctamente, tal como agora.
>> 
>> Gosta da ideia? Eu postei esta mensagem no wiki no caso de você preferir
>> comentar lá [9].
>> 
>> Obrigado pela sua atenção! Saudações da Espanha.
>> 
>> Cumprimentos,
>> Daniel
>> 
>> [1]
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki_organisation#Pages_naming_convention
>> 
>> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States
>> [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada
>> [4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Spain
>> [5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australia
>> [6] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/New_Zealand
>> [7] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/South_Africa
>> [8] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Spanish_speaking_countries
>> [9]
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_Portugal#Removing_.22WikiProject.22_prefix
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Talk-es] Toponimia en Galicia

[dcapillae]

Buenas días.

No se decide por votación los topónimos en español. Parece que no acabamos
de entenderlo. No nos corresponde a nosotros decidir como la comunidad
hispanohablante se refiere a los sitios, como no le corresponde a la
comunidad gallega decidir como se refiere a los sitios en gallego. Los
lugares tienen nombre en muchos idiomas y podemos reflejarlos todos en el
mapa sin conflicto alguno. Hay etiquetas para todos.

Toda esta polémica, lo he dicho y lo repito, es innecesaria. Andar votando
por una u otra opción cuando solo hay una solución correcta, que es la de
tener un mapa multilingüe sin conflictos entre idiomas, no ayuda en nada.
Para eso tenemos las etiquetas «name:xx» para no estar perdiendo el tiempo
en estas polémicas estériles.

P. D.: He conversado con Iván. Intentaré comentaros luego cómo ha sido
nuestra conversación.



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Re: [Talk-es] Topónimos Galicia

[Miguel Sevilla-Callejo]

Estimado Iago,

Contesto directamente a tu correo y sin leer las múltiples respuestas que
ha habido con anterioridad pues este tema, o muy similar se ha debatido en
ocasiones anteriores y te rogaría que miraras lo que se habló y
relacionaras tú propuesta en esa línea.

Entiendo tu propuesta, creo que tiene su sentido en términos políticos y de
oficialidad pero no desde la perspectiva de la base de datos que es
OpenStreetMap.

Sinceramente no puedo estar de acuerdo contigo con el name:es="A Coruña"
puesto que en castellano o español (llámalo como quieras, por favor, no nos
perdamos en esto) el nombre no es ese, es La Coruña. Yo no lo uso, no te
voy a discutir en ningún caso que hay que poner  el genérico name="A
Coruña" pero si voy a una base de datos en el que tengo los topónimos de en
varios idiomas espero encontrar el valor que se ajuste al mismo.

Así mismo te recuerdo que existen etiquetas que recogen la acepción
oficial: official_name:"A Coruña".

Acabo de ver que en OSM que se ha ido cambiando el etiquetado de esta
ciudad en las últimas horas. Creo que esta NO es la manera de proceder,
para ajustarse a las opiniones de unos u otros. Esto creo que no va
contigo, pues no puedo más que agradecerte que escribieras aquí con tu
propuesta pero, para los otros lectores, creo que estas no son maneras de
proceder.

Me temo que en esta y otras propuestas está primando más cuestiones
políticas que la edición y la mejora de la base de datos de OSM. Por favor,
intentemos seguir un poco el sentido común y si se quiere, se puede
complementar con el etiquetado que se requiere.

Así mismo me gustaría saber en detalle lo que opina la comunidad gallega al
respecto (quizá ya hay respuestas, luego lo leo, si puedo) puesto que no
estamos hablando de un pequeño pueblo en el que existe un topónimo en
desuso, se trata de una de las capitales gallegas a las que, nos guste o
no, se la sigue llamando, en castellano/español, con la "L" delante.
¿Podrías decirme que esta última afirmación no es así? Y si no es as así,
¿por qué hemos de seguir tu propuesta?

No quiero sembrar la polémica pero este tema es un tema sensible en la
comunidad por lo que rogaría que tengamos un debate sereno, con sentido
común, sin cargas políticas y en la que lleguemos a un acuerdo en el que
podamos saber ceder y ver los argumentos de todas las partes.

Un saludo y a seguir editando que aún queda mucho que incluir.

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On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 at 00:12, Iago Casabiell 
wrote:

> Para llegar a un consenso creo que todos deberíamos opinar:
> name=A Coruña
> name:gl=A Coruña
> name:es=A Coruña
> La toponimia oficial se centra en como llamar a las localidades españolas
> en español, y deja de lado la toponimia extranjera, por lo tanto
> name:es=Londres pero name:es=A Coruña.
>
> En mi humilde opinión, creo que tanto la comunidad española como la
> comunidad latinoamericana deberían respetar la toponimia oficial en
> español, acordada democraticamente.
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Re: [Talk-pt] Removing "WikiProject" prefix

[Jorge Gustavo Rocha]

+1

Obrigado!

Às 14:52 de 01/09/19, dcapillae escreveu:
> [Mensagem em inglês com tradução automática para português]
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am Daniel, from Spain. I would like to change the name of the wiki
> pages related to the Portugal mapping project to remove the
> "Wikiproject" prefix according to the pages name conventions [1].
> 
> The name of the pages related to the Portugal mapping project would be
> "Portugal" (name of place) instead of "Wikiproject Portugal", as
> recommended by the wiki conventions. It is a change that I have already
> made in United States [2], Canada [3], Spain [4], Australia [5], New
> Zealand [6], South Africa [7], and all Spanish-speaking countries [8].
> The pages of Israel, Denmark, Norway, United Kingdom, Italy, Germany and
> Philippines have also been renamed (soon also France).
> 
> All pages with "WikiProject" prefix will be redirected automatically.
> There will be no broken links in any case.  I'll make sure everything
> works correctly, just like now.
> 
> Do you like the idea? I have posted this message on the wiki in case you
> prefer to comment there [9].
> 
> Thank you for you attention! Greetings from Spain.
> 
> Regards,
> Daniel
> 
> 
> [Tradução automática]
> 
> Hola,
> 
> Eu sou o Daniel, de Espanha. Eu gostaria de mudar o nome das páginas
> wiki relacionadas ao projeto de mapeamento de Portugal para remover o
> prefixo "Wikiprojeto" de acordo com as convenções de nomes de páginas [1].
> 
> O nome das páginas relacionadas ao projeto de mapeamento de Portugal
> seria "Portugal" (nome do lugar) em vez de "Wikiprojeto Portugal", como
> recomendado pelas convenções wiki. É uma mudança que já fiz nos Estados
> Unidos [2], Canadá [3], Espanha [4], Austrália [5], Nova Zelândia [6],
> África do Sul [7] e todos os países de língua espanhola [8]. As páginas
> de Israel, Dinamarca, Noruega, Reino Unido, Itália, Alemanha e Filipinas
> também foram renomeadas (em breve também em França).
> 
> Todas as páginas com o prefixo "WikiProject" serão redireccionadas
> automaticamente. Não haverá links quebrados em nenhum caso.  Vou
> certificar-me de que tudo funciona correctamente, tal como agora.
> 
> Gosta da ideia? Eu postei esta mensagem no wiki no caso de você preferir
> comentar lá [9].
> 
> Obrigado pela sua atenção! Saudações da Espanha.
> 
> Cumprimentos,
> Daniel
> 
> [1]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki_organisation#Pages_naming_convention
> 
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States
> [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada
> [4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Spain
> [5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australia
> [6] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/New_Zealand
> [7] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/South_Africa
> [8] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Spanish_speaking_countries
> [9]
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_Portugal#Removing_.22WikiProject.22_prefix
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Main road deleted in error

[Tom Pfeifer]

https://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/ was helpful here,
showing two changesets from a new user in this area.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/73950349 contains the problem.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/95719417/history has been undeleted now, 
connectivity appear ok.

On 01.09.2019 21:26, Colm Moore wrote:

Hi,

Shangort Road in Galway city has been deleted. I'm not sure how to find the 
changeset to undo this.

Any ideas?

Colm



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[talk-cz] Fwd: [FreeGeoCZ] Fwd: [OSGeo-Discuss] invitation to speak and attend SotM Southeast Europe

[Jan Macura]

Přeposílám z jiného mail-listu. Je to sice paradoxně dál, než německý
Heidelberg, ale mohla by to být zajímavá akce.
Já jsem naneštěstí toho času zrovna v jiné části Evropy...

H.

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Subject: [FreeGeoCZ] Fwd: [OSGeo-Discuss] invitation to speak and attend
SotM Southeast Europe
To: FreeGeoCZ 


Zdravím a přeposílám jedno pozvání

J

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Date: po 2. 9. 2019 v 9:59
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss] invitation to speak and attend SotM Southeast
Europe
To: 
Cc: Arianit Dobroshi 


Dear all,


This is a call for speakers for our State of the Map Southeast Europe
conference to be held on 25-27 October in Prizren, Kosovo.


Our aim is to jumpstart OSM in the region, make connections in the
community, upgrade OSM and GIS skills and showcase use cases to about
150 attendees. We can fund some speakers from our region and wider
Europe and can discuss sponsored speakers as well.


See the conference website here http://www.sotmsee.org and call for
speakers here https://forms.gle/g6VGJMRaquZchFE87


If you have questions, don’t hesitate to ask or find us around at
FOSS4G Bucharest and SotM Heidelberg.


If you would otherwise like just to attend, we will be arranging
transport from region's capital cities to Prizren and provide
accommodation in dormitories in Prizren. Your application for this
will have to be approved.


Looking forward to meeting some of you.


Thank you,


Besfort

SotM SEE / FLOSSK

sotm...@flossk.org



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[OSM-talk-fr] Quand le plus est l'ennemi du raisonnable !

[Vladimir Vyskocil]

> On 31 Aug 2019, at 21:18, GarenKreiz  > wrote:
> 
> Bonsoir,
> 
> Pas sûr qu'il s'agisse d'erreurs ou de vandalisme car c'est semble-t-il un 
> parc national célèbre pour ses falaises de grès. Le mapping pourrait être 
> légitime si chaque falaise fait une dizaine de mètres de hauteur : ce type 
> d'information intéresse sûrement les grimpeurs pour mieux se repérer.


Clairement ici la densité des “falaises” serait beaucoup trop importante pour 
que cela soit possible, à la rigueur un way avec natural=cliff par gros rocher 
mais voila à quoi cela ressemble sur une petite partie de la zone :



> 
> Les photos du coin donnent envie d'aller y faire un tour pour vérifier la 
> topographie de la zone!

J’y vais fin octobre !

> 
> Cordialement
> 
>  Garenkreiz


Vladimir


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Re: [Talk-es] Toponimia en Galicia

[Aitor Freire Astray via Talk-es]

Buen día,

Gracias Jorge por tu ejercicio de síntesis. Voy a intentar ser lo más
aséptico posible.

He seguido el debate en la lista y en el Telegram y he de confesar que he
ido cambiando de opinión según iba leyendo.

OSM es un proyecto colaborativo y al final somos l@s que mapeamos l@s que
decidimos, y en el caso particular que nos ocupa, la comunidad
hispanohablante.

Creo que se han expresado y defendido las diferentes opiniones de forma más
que suficiente, tod@s conocemos los argumentos de un@s y otr@s, y llegados
a este punto pienso que las posiciones están fijadas y más debate no va a
llevar a un mayor consenso (aunque igual me equivoco).

Podríamos usar tu resumen de punto de partida y votar lo que consideramos
más apropiado. Por mi parte, yo me comprometo a respetar lo que se decida.

De las opciones que planteas, mi voto es para la opción 2.

Un saludo!


El dom., 1 sept. 2019 22:35, Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso 
escribió:

> Sigue sin llegarse a una solución desde el grupo de Telegram aunque creo
> que ha ido algo mejor la situación.
>
> Se han comentado unas aproximaciones que puede que solucionen en parte los
> problemas aunque no se ha llegado a un acuerdo, ni una única postura.
> Corregirme si me equivoco en algo pero estas aproximaciones han salido.
>
> Aproximación 1
> name=A Coruña
> name:gl=A Coruña
> name:es=La Coruña
> official_name=A Coruña
>
> Aproximación 2
> name=A Coruña
> name:gl=A Coruña
> name:es=A Coruña
> alt_name:es=La Coruña
>
> Aproximación 3
> name=A Coruña
> name:gl=A Coruña
> name:es=A Coruña
> alt_name:es=La Coruña
> official_name=A Coruña
>
> Aproximación 4
> name=A Coruña
> name:gl=A Coruña
> name:es=La Coruña
> official_name:es=A Coruña
>
> Creo que representar la oficialidad de "A Coruña", aunque ya este en name
> no es mala solución. Por lo que la aproximación 1 y 4 me parecen que pueden
> ser soluciones correctas.
> La 2 y la 3 no. Se sigue dejando a name:es sin lo que tiene que ser y es
> incorrecto.
> Entiendo el sentimiento de que quede claro que es un nombre oficial y
> reconocido. Y creo que es como tiene que ser. "A Coruña" es el nombre
> oficial reconocido por España. Pero eso no quita que el nombre en el
> idioma, no en el país, en el idioma español o castellano si queréis
> quitarle el país, es "La Coruña".
>
> Dentro de la aproximación 1 y 4 me gusta más la 1 pero no tendría problema
> con ninguna de las 2.
>
> Creo que todos tenemos que intentar ver las 2 partes y buscar un punto
> medio. La linea de los sentimientos, lo hago porque nos quieren hacer de
> menos. En ambas partes y en ambos sentidos. Es una línea muy difusa. Lo que
> nos puede parecer que es para no dañarnos al final lo que hace es dañar al
> de al lado. Reconocer la oficialidad de "A Coruña" lo veo correcto y es la
> verdad y cómo tiene que ser, pero negar como se dice en el idioma español
> que es "La Coruña" veo ir contra el idioma. Entiendo el sentimiento y que
> hay gente que lo usa para mal, sobre todo en la parte política. Pero de eso
> no tenemos la culpa el resto de hispanohablantes, por unos cuantos no
> tenemos que sufrir millones.
>
>
>
>
> El dom., 1 sept. 2019 a las 21:49, dcapillae ()
> escribió:
>
>> Gracias, Jorge.
>>
>> Yo también estoy en contacto. Esperemos convencerle.
>>
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[Talk-es] Elección de la importancia de las calles en Madrid

[Alejandro Moreno]

Buenos días.

Os escribo porque en Villa de Vallecas (Madrid) hay varias avenidas que no
están marcadas como primary ni como secondary y para mí sí deberían serlo
correspondientes a la nueva parte que se ha hecho en el PAU de Vallecas.
Puesto que no sé si hay algún criterio definido para este tipo de calles en
Madrid dejo aquí mi propuesta para consensuarla.

Calles primary:
- Avenida del Mayorazgo.
- Avenida Ensanche de Vallecas

Calle Secondary:
- Avenida de la Gavia
- Avenida de las Suertes
- Avenida de Cartagena de Indias


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[Talk-es] semanarioOSM Nº 475 2019-08-20-2019-08-26

[theweekly . osm]

Hola, el semanario Nº 475, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/12353/

¡Disfruta!

¿Sabías que también puedes enviar mensajes para la nota semanal sin ser 
miembro? Simplemente ingresa a https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login con tu 
cuenta de OSM. Lee más sobre cómo escribir una publicación aquí: 
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm 

semanarioOSM? 
¿Dónde?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
¿Quién?: 
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[Talk-cl] semanarioOSM Nº 475 2019-08-20-2019-08-26

[theweekly . osm]

Hola, el semanario Nº 475, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/12353/

¡Disfruta!

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[OSM-co] semanarioOSM Nº 475 2019-08-20-2019-08-26

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[Talk-cu] semanarioOSM Nº 475 2019-08-20-2019-08-26

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[talk-latam] semanarioOSM Nº 475 2019-08-20-2019-08-26

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Re: [Talk-africa] [OSM-Talk-ZA] Fwd: [Osmf-talk] SotM 2020

[Bernelle Verster]

Many thanks Enock

I agree a dedicated, local team is needed, and am confident we will
further supplement the already good team we have [1]. Michael Graaf,
board member of Wikimedia-ZA, was already one of the first to sign up.

The bid as it stands is as much as I'm able to do before the deadline
tomorrow. Others are welcome to add/edit as needed.

[1] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_2020/Call_for_venues/CapeTown#Team

best regards
Bernelle

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 8:30 PM Enock Seth Nyamador  wrote:
>
> Hi Bernelle,
>
> Great convo! Cape Town hosted 2018 Wikimania [1] and will be a good bet for 
> SOTM global of course. IMHO a really dedicated and especially local team is 
> needed to pull off this. Persons with SOTM experience should be a plus. Their 
> could be lot of remote interest though; but commitment is a possible issue.
>
> Better still doing doing this with Wikimedia ZA  could be a better deal like 
> from 2017 [2] cc @David Richfield
>
> 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2018
> 2. https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/09/22/community-digest-italy-sotm/
>
> Le jeu. 29 août 2019 à 19:52, David Richfield  a 
> écrit :
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'll be attending this year's SOTM in Heidelberg, because it's just
>> around the corner from where I live (Worms). If there's anyone I can
>> speak to or anything I can find out while I'm there, let me know.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 at 14:53, Edson Nicolai via Talk-ZA
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Bernelle,
>> >
>> > I‘ve added my name to the list. I’ll be checking back to see if there’s 
>> > any update.
>> >
>> > Cheers.
>> >
>> > Ed Nicolai
>> >
>> > Music Video/TV Ad Director - Motion Graphics
>> >
>> > Namibia: +264 81 43 31 374
>> > Angola: +244 945 75 23 11
>> > Zambia: +260 967617783
>> >
>> > eddynico...@me.com - eddynico...@gmail.com [for emergencies only]
>> >
>> > > On 28 Aug 2019, at 1:36 PM, Bernelle Verster  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi Edson
>> > >
>> > > Replying to all for interest:
>> > >
>> > > Team:
>> > > I need team members listed on the page to show strength of numbers,
>> > > basically. So, for starters, please add your name (thanks Geoffrey!).
>> > > Also, please share this bid to your networks!
>> > >
>> > > Insider knowledge:
>> > > I don't know the OSM community nor do I know the SotM format. I have
>> > > organised the Debian Conference in Cape Town before (DebConf16), which
>> > > I think is a similar culture.
>> > >
>> > > Format:
>> > > My interest in getting involved, and also my concern that I may
>> > > 'corrupt' the format, is that I am interested in using OSM in games,
>> > > urban metabolism visualisations and information design, and organising
>> > > a conference is a great way to learn and connect. I would like the
>> > > conference to have tracks addressing these things, which hopefully
>> > > would also incentivise creatives and people who otherwise may not be
>> > > interested in OSS mapping stuff to attend - bringing new blood and
>> > > pretty things. I need help to keep the conference true to the SotM
>> > > format.
>> > >
>> > > Remote participation:
>> > > For accessibility, but also for the increasing concern about
>> > > (long-haul) flights and climate change, I would like a greater
>> > > emphasis on remote participation. Ideally, an avatar in a virtual
>> > > world :) Like, SimCity for OSM! (not that far fetched, but probably a
>> > > lot of work) Ideas needed on how to improve accessibility here.
>> > >
>> > > Location:
>> > > My current favourite is the University of Cape Town Rondebosch campus,
>> > > as I know how things work there and we have a staff member on the team
>> > > (DebConf16 was held there). I still need a letter of support from a
>> > > relevant department/faculty to give us a venue discount. Does this
>> > > suit people in terms of access, transport, whatever? Other ideas? If
>> > > anyone wants to help with catering or venue quotes, also get in touch
>> > > please. Feel free to add known costs to the wiki as an indication to
>> > > the bid committee, see Heidelberg (this year's SotM) bid as example:
>> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_2019/Call_for_venues/Heidelberg
>> > >
>> > > regards
>> > > B
>> > >
>> > >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 2:06 PM Edson Nicolai via Talk-ZA
>> > >>  wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi Bernelle,
>> > >>
>> > >> I’m based in Luanda, and couldn’t attend previous conferences, but 
>> > >> looking at the possible dates on the page, I might attend this one.
>> > >>
>> > >> Let me know what info you might need from me and how I can help at all.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Ed Nicolai
>> > >>
>> > >> Music Video/TV Ad Director - Motion Graphics
>> > >>
>> > >> Namibia: +264 81 43 31 374
>> > >> Angola: +244 945 75 23 11
>> > >> Zambia: +260 967617783
>> > >>
>> > >> eddynico...@me.com - eddynico...@gmail.com [for emergencies only]
>> > >>
>> >  On 28 Aug 2019, at 12:59 PM, Bernelle Verster  
>> >  wrote:
>> > 

Re: [Talk-africa] [OSM-Talk-ZA] Fwd: [Osmf-talk] SotM 2020

[David Richfield]

Hi all,

I'll be attending this year's SOTM in Heidelberg, because it's just
around the corner from where I live (Worms). If there's anyone I can
speak to or anything I can find out while I'm there, let me know.

Cheers,

David

On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 at 14:53, Edson Nicolai via Talk-ZA
 wrote:
>
> Hi Bernelle,
>
> I‘ve added my name to the list. I’ll be checking back to see if there’s any 
> update.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Ed Nicolai
>
> Music Video/TV Ad Director - Motion Graphics
>
> Namibia: +264 81 43 31 374
> Angola: +244 945 75 23 11
> Zambia: +260 967617783
>
> eddynico...@me.com - eddynico...@gmail.com [for emergencies only]
>
> > On 28 Aug 2019, at 1:36 PM, Bernelle Verster  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Edson
> >
> > Replying to all for interest:
> >
> > Team:
> > I need team members listed on the page to show strength of numbers,
> > basically. So, for starters, please add your name (thanks Geoffrey!).
> > Also, please share this bid to your networks!
> >
> > Insider knowledge:
> > I don't know the OSM community nor do I know the SotM format. I have
> > organised the Debian Conference in Cape Town before (DebConf16), which
> > I think is a similar culture.
> >
> > Format:
> > My interest in getting involved, and also my concern that I may
> > 'corrupt' the format, is that I am interested in using OSM in games,
> > urban metabolism visualisations and information design, and organising
> > a conference is a great way to learn and connect. I would like the
> > conference to have tracks addressing these things, which hopefully
> > would also incentivise creatives and people who otherwise may not be
> > interested in OSS mapping stuff to attend - bringing new blood and
> > pretty things. I need help to keep the conference true to the SotM
> > format.
> >
> > Remote participation:
> > For accessibility, but also for the increasing concern about
> > (long-haul) flights and climate change, I would like a greater
> > emphasis on remote participation. Ideally, an avatar in a virtual
> > world :) Like, SimCity for OSM! (not that far fetched, but probably a
> > lot of work) Ideas needed on how to improve accessibility here.
> >
> > Location:
> > My current favourite is the University of Cape Town Rondebosch campus,
> > as I know how things work there and we have a staff member on the team
> > (DebConf16 was held there). I still need a letter of support from a
> > relevant department/faculty to give us a venue discount. Does this
> > suit people in terms of access, transport, whatever? Other ideas? If
> > anyone wants to help with catering or venue quotes, also get in touch
> > please. Feel free to add known costs to the wiki as an indication to
> > the bid committee, see Heidelberg (this year's SotM) bid as example:
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_2019/Call_for_venues/Heidelberg
> >
> > regards
> > B
> >
> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 2:06 PM Edson Nicolai via Talk-ZA
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Bernelle,
> >>
> >> I’m based in Luanda, and couldn’t attend previous conferences, but looking 
> >> at the possible dates on the page, I might attend this one.
> >>
> >> Let me know what info you might need from me and how I can help at all.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ed Nicolai
> >>
> >> Music Video/TV Ad Director - Motion Graphics
> >>
> >> Namibia: +264 81 43 31 374
> >> Angola: +244 945 75 23 11
> >> Zambia: +260 967617783
> >>
> >> eddynico...@me.com - eddynico...@gmail.com [for emergencies only]
> >>
>  On 28 Aug 2019, at 12:59 PM, Bernelle Verster  
>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> I submitted a bid to host the 2020 State of the Map conference in Cape
> >>> Town, South Africa [1].
> >>>
> >>> The deadline for this bid is Saturday 31 August 2019. At the moment we
> >>> have a very small team, and no interest from the OSM community in
> >>> South Africa. I am willing to lead the bid but will have to withdraw
> >>> if there is not sufficient interest to help organise it.
> >>>
> >>> Please add your names and give indications of suitable
> >>> venues/locations and catering options if you have opinions on this.
> >>>
> >>> regards
> >>> Bernelle (indiebio)
> >>>
> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_2020/Call_for_venues/CapeTown
> >>>
>  On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:47 AM Bernelle Verster  
>  wrote:
> 
>  Hi
> 
>  There is now a bid for Cape Town. I don't have a team yet, so this
>  group posting is to call any interested peoples to add their name and
>  share ideas for what they'd like to see.
> 
>  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_2020/Call_for_venues/CapeTown
> 
>  You can find me through email or IRC (indiebio).
> 
>  regards
>  Bernelle
> 
> > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 6:56 AM Enock Seth Nyamador 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > FYI
> >
> > -- Forwarded message -
> > De : Christine Karch 
> > Date: mar. 18 juin 2019 à 23:59
> > Subject: [Osmf-talk] SotM 2020
> > 

Re: [Talk-africa] [CLUG-announce] [OSM-Talk-ZA] Fwd: [Osmf-talk] SotM 2020

[Kyle Robbertze]

Hi Bernelle,

On 2019/08/28 14:35, Bernelle Verster wrote:
> Hi Edson
> 
> Replying to all for interest:
> 
> Team:
> I need team members listed on the page to show strength of numbers,
> basically. So, for starters, please add your name (thanks Geoffrey!).
> Also, please share this bid to your networks!

I have added my name to the list. I am keen to help, provided the dates
do not clash with DC20. It would be great to work with everyone again.

> 
> Insider knowledge:
> I don't know the OSM community nor do I know the SotM format. I have
> organised the Debian Conference in Cape Town before (DebConf16), which
> I think is a similar culture.
> 
> Format:
> My interest in getting involved, and also my concern that I may
> 'corrupt' the format, is that I am interested in using OSM in games,
> urban metabolism visualisations and information design, and organising
> a conference is a great way to learn and connect. I would like the
> conference to have tracks addressing these things, which hopefully
> would also incentivise creatives and people who otherwise may not be
> interested in OSS mapping stuff to attend - bringing new blood and
> pretty things. I need help to keep the conference true to the SotM
> format.
> 
> Remote participation:
> For accessibility, but also for the increasing concern about
> (long-haul) flights and climate change, I would like a greater
> emphasis on remote participation. Ideally, an avatar in a virtual
> world :) Like, SimCity for OSM! (not that far fetched, but probably a
> lot of work) Ideas needed on how to improve accessibility here.

This is something the DC video team is working on for DC20 and I would
love an opportunity to test and integrate that into another conference.
> 
> Location:
> My current favourite is the University of Cape Town Rondebosch campus,
> as I know how things work there and we have a staff member on the team
> (DebConf16 was held there). I still need a letter of support from a
> relevant department/faculty to give us a venue discount. Does this
> suit people in terms of access, transport, whatever? Other ideas? If
> anyone wants to help with catering or venue quotes, also get in touch
> please. Feel free to add known costs to the wiki as an indication to
> the bid committee, see Heidelberg (this year's SotM) bid as example:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_2019/Call_for_venues/Heidelberg

UCT is definitely a good choice of venue.

Cheers
Kyle

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Re: [Talk-africa] [OSM-Talk-ZA] Fwd: [Osmf-talk] SotM 2020

[Edson Nicolai via Talk-africa]

Hi Bernelle,

I‘ve added my name to the list. I’ll be checking back to see if there’s any 
update.

Cheers.

Ed Nicolai

Music Video/TV Ad Director - Motion Graphics

Namibia: +264 81 43 31 374
Angola: +244 945 75 23 11
Zambia: +260 967617783

eddynico...@me.com - eddynico...@gmail.com [for emergencies only]

> On 28 Aug 2019, at 1:36 PM, Bernelle Verster  wrote:
> 
> Hi Edson
> 
> Replying to all for interest:
> 
> Team:
> I need team members listed on the page to show strength of numbers,
> basically. So, for starters, please add your name (thanks Geoffrey!).
> Also, please share this bid to your networks!
> 
> Insider knowledge:
> I don't know the OSM community nor do I know the SotM format. I have
> organised the Debian Conference in Cape Town before (DebConf16), which
> I think is a similar culture.
> 
> Format:
> My interest in getting involved, and also my concern that I may
> 'corrupt' the format, is that I am interested in using OSM in games,
> urban metabolism visualisations and information design, and organising
> a conference is a great way to learn and connect. I would like the
> conference to have tracks addressing these things, which hopefully
> would also incentivise creatives and people who otherwise may not be
> interested in OSS mapping stuff to attend - bringing new blood and
> pretty things. I need help to keep the conference true to the SotM
> format.
> 
> Remote participation:
> For accessibility, but also for the increasing concern about
> (long-haul) flights and climate change, I would like a greater
> emphasis on remote participation. Ideally, an avatar in a virtual
> world :) Like, SimCity for OSM! (not that far fetched, but probably a
> lot of work) Ideas needed on how to improve accessibility here.
> 
> Location:
> My current favourite is the University of Cape Town Rondebosch campus,
> as I know how things work there and we have a staff member on the team
> (DebConf16 was held there). I still need a letter of support from a
> relevant department/faculty to give us a venue discount. Does this
> suit people in terms of access, transport, whatever? Other ideas? If
> anyone wants to help with catering or venue quotes, also get in touch
> please. Feel free to add known costs to the wiki as an indication to
> the bid committee, see Heidelberg (this year's SotM) bid as example:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_2019/Call_for_venues/Heidelberg
> 
> regards
> B
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 2:06 PM Edson Nicolai via Talk-ZA
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Bernelle,
>> 
>> I’m based in Luanda, and couldn’t attend previous conferences, but looking 
>> at the possible dates on the page, I might attend this one.
>> 
>> Let me know what info you might need from me and how I can help at all.
>> 
>> 
>> Ed Nicolai
>> 
>> Music Video/TV Ad Director - Motion Graphics
>> 
>> Namibia: +264 81 43 31 374
>> Angola: +244 945 75 23 11
>> Zambia: +260 967617783
>> 
>> eddynico...@me.com - eddynico...@gmail.com [for emergencies only]
>> 
 On 28 Aug 2019, at 12:59 PM, Bernelle Verster  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> I submitted a bid to host the 2020 State of the Map conference in Cape
>>> Town, South Africa [1].
>>> 
>>> The deadline for this bid is Saturday 31 August 2019. At the moment we
>>> have a very small team, and no interest from the OSM community in
>>> South Africa. I am willing to lead the bid but will have to withdraw
>>> if there is not sufficient interest to help organise it.
>>> 
>>> Please add your names and give indications of suitable
>>> venues/locations and catering options if you have opinions on this.
>>> 
>>> regards
>>> Bernelle (indiebio)
>>> 
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_2020/Call_for_venues/CapeTown
>>> 
 On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:47 AM Bernelle Verster  
 wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 There is now a bid for Cape Town. I don't have a team yet, so this
 group posting is to call any interested peoples to add their name and
 share ideas for what they'd like to see.
 
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_2020/Call_for_venues/CapeTown
 
 You can find me through email or IRC (indiebio).
 
 regards
 Bernelle
 
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 6:56 AM Enock Seth Nyamador  
> wrote:
> 
> FYI
> 
> -- Forwarded message -
> De : Christine Karch 
> Date: mar. 18 juin 2019 à 23:59
> Subject: [Osmf-talk] SotM 2020
> To: , Talk Openstreetmap 
> 
> 
> 
> Hello OSM community,
> 
> at the moment we have no venue for SotM 2020. There are no candidates
> even yet. Hello world! Is there any OSM community who would like to host
> SotM spontaneous? We extend the call for bids until end of August. We
> would like to present the SotM 2020 in Heidelberg during SotM 2019.
> 
> Please use our wiki form for the formal part of your bid [1]. But don't
> hesitate to ask questions to the SotM working 

Re: [Talk-it] Fermata per autobus turistici

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 2. Sep 2019, at 07:40, Francesco Ansanelli  wrote:
> 
> Osmose giustamente produce errori se si usa highway=bus_stop, senza un 
> public_transport.


non è giusto a mio parere, è superfluo e prima o poi toglieranno questo test da 
Osmose. 



> Stranamente non ci sono esempi con il tag turist_bus=yes e questo mi fa 
> pensare che non sia ancora molto diffuso.


si escludono tourist_bus (la classe autobus, non usata per il trasporto 
pubblico) e highway=bus_stop (fermata del trasporto pubblico), quindi la 
combinazione sarebbe probabilmente un errore 


> Aspetto ancora qualche feedback e poi vedrò come fare.


+1, io avevo anche chiesto nel forum tedesco nel merito, se ottengo una 
risposta concreta ti faccio sapere.


Ciao Martin 
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