Re: [Talk-at] Graz+Innsbruck: »Schiene und Straße wurden getrennt«
Huhu... Na geh, net scho wieder... Ja bitte Andreas, schreib ihn an. Und ich bin dafür auf den gemeinsamen Straße/Schienen ways sowie auf den Relations mit dem Tag note zu dokumentieren, dass das Auftrennen in eigene Ways nicht erwünscht ist, mit Link zum Mailarchiv. Könntest du ihn bitte auch gleich zum Grazer August-Stammtisch einladen? Ich bin zwar nicht da, aber andere ÖPNV-Kundige schon. Danke, lg Michi On 13/08/15 07:26, Andreas Uller wrote: Hallo! Ich bin ja grundsätzlich dagegen, die Schienen von den Straßen zu trennen, wenn die Straßenbahn auf der Straße fährt und keinen eigenen Gleiskörper hat. Deine verlinkten Beispiele sind ja noch extremer: Das ist ja (fast) ein selbständiger Gleiskörper, der schon von der Hauptfahrbahn getrennt gezeichnet ist. Da dort aber auch Taxis und Busse fahren dürfen, wurde dort zu den Schienen auch ein highway getagged. Nun hat der User Weltstaat auch das noch aufgeteilt. Da der User sich erst vor 1 Monat angemeldet hat, nehme ich mal an, er hat die bisherigen Diskussionen auf dieser Liste diesbezüglich noch nicht mitbekommen (Zusammenfassung hier: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Graz#Stra.C3.9Fenbahnen_Graz). Ich wäre daher dafür, ihm das mitzuteilen und bitten, es rückgängig zu machen. Wenn er das nicht selbst rückgängig machen kann/will, sollte es jemand anderes machen. Da mir der ÖV in Graz besonders am Herzen liegt, würde ich mich auch anbieten, das zu machen; auf Wunsch natürlich auch in Innsbruck. Andreas -- Michael Maier, Student of Telematics @ Graz University of Technology OpenStreetMap Graz http://osm.org/go/0Iz@paV http://wiki.osm.org/Graz http://wiki.osm.org/Graz/Stammtisch signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[OSM-talk] History of specific areas
Is there a tool available to search for the history of items in a specific area? OSM History Viewer only works if you have the id of an object. I don't know if OWL can do it because it is offline. I don't have the id for the node, I just know something was there and has been deleted at some point. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-it] Strada provinciale chiusa per frana
Come mappare una strada chiusa al traffico per frana? C'è solo un passaggio per pedoni e bici, le auto non possono passare. Devo interrompere la way nel punto della frana e congiungere i due tronconi con una footway? ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-lt] Dzyvų dzyvai...
Stebuklai Lietuvoj darosi. Medžiai miškuose masiškai auga iki pat centrinės kelio linijos, žolė pievose želia iki centrinės kelio linijos, visos automagistralės pievom apžėlusios, traktoriai žemę aria iki pat kelių centro linijos ir t.t. Apokalipsė tikriausiai... ;-) -- Tomas ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-lt] Dzyvų dzyvai...
On 2015.08.13 11:17, Tomas Straupis wrote: Stebuklai Lietuvoj darosi. Medžiai miškuose masiškai auga iki pat centrinės kelio linijos, žolė pievose želia iki centrinės kelio linijos, visos automagistralės pievom apžėlusios, traktoriai žemę aria iki pat kelių centro linijos ir t.t. Apokalipsė tikriausiai... ;-) Tomai, pamiršai paminėti didžiausią dzyvą -- beveik visi keliai vos linijos (t.y. 0,000m) pločio :-) Ar tai problema? Aš asmeniškai problemos nematau. Greičiau susitarimo [nebuvimo] reikalas. Ir ar tikrai mes turime tiek daug neturinčių ką veikti „resursų“, kurie vietoje vieno vektoriaus žymėtų tris, o paskui su kiekvienu pasikeitimu taisytų vėlgi visus tris? Pardon, bet aš į šitokių resursų kategoriją nepapuolu. -- Aidas Kasparas ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-lt] Dzyvų dzyvai...
2015.08.13 11:54, Aidas Kasparas rašė: On 2015.08.13 11:17, Tomas Straupis wrote: Stebuklai Lietuvoj darosi. Medžiai miškuose masiškai auga iki pat centrinės kelio linijos, žolė pievose želia iki centrinės kelio linijos, visos automagistralės pievom apžėlusios, traktoriai žemę aria iki pat kelių centro linijos ir t.t. Apokalipsė tikriausiai... ;-) Tomai, pamiršai paminėti didžiausią dzyvą -- beveik visi keliai vos linijos (t.y. 0,000m) pločio :-) Ar tai problema? Aš asmeniškai problemos nematau. Greičiau susitarimo [nebuvimo] reikalas. Ir ar tikrai mes turime tiek daug neturinčių ką veikti „resursų“, kurie vietoje vieno vektoriaus žymėtų tris, o paskui su kiekvienu pasikeitimu taisytų vėlgi visus tris? Pardon, bet aš į šitokių resursų kategoriją nepapuolu. Bet ir dabar 3 vektoriai (kelio vidurio, pievos iš vienos pusės, dirbamo lauko iš kitos, etc.) yra – vienas ant kito. Kai reikia tik tokiame trigubame vektoriuje pastumti tašką – ne problema, bet jei reikia kažką sudėtingesnio padaryti... ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-es] Consulta sobre etiquetado en OSM
No puedo más que dar las gracias Con todo lo que me has pasado han desaparecido todas mis dudas Muchas gracias! El 12 de agosto de 2015, 16:42, Jorge Juan jjch...@gmail.com escribió: Hola Guillermo. ¡Bienvenido! ¿Podrías poner un ejemplo concreto que no puedas solucionar con la documentación que ya hay en [1]? Quizá lo más oficial que hay al etiquetar una carretera es el código de la misma, que en OSM se pone con ref=... como en ref=N-120. Por otro lado, si la carretera tiene un nombre oficial, debe estar publicado en algun sitio. En [2] tienes algunas referencias donde se publican nombres oficiales. Este sería el nombre a poner con la etiqueta name= De forma más general, en [3] tienes como indicar nombres alternativos y traducciones a otros idiomas, con etiquetas como name:fr=..., name_1, name_2, etc. o alt_name [4]. También está official_name, pero sospecho que esta etiqueta no está tan extendida como name. Yo, por ejemplo, usaría name para poner el nombre oficial, siempre que este nombre sea conocido y de uso común, y sólo usaría official_name para el nombre oficial y name para el nombre común en caso de que el nombre oficial sea totalmente desconocido y el común sea extremadamente común. Supongo que con estas etiquetas tienes bastantes opciones sin tener que inventar ninguna más. A estas alturas del proyecto OSM el problema no suele ser que falten etiquetas, sino que hay múltiples formas de hacer etiquetados válidos con las etiquetas existentes. En cualquier caso, algunas reglas básicas son: usa el sentido común (esta es tan bonita como inutil), etiqueta de forma uniforme con el entorno, lee mucha documentación. Un saludo. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Normalizaci%C3%B3n#V.C3.ADas_interurbanas [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Normalizaci%C3%B3n#Clasificaci.C3.B3n_seg.C3.BAn_la_Comunidad_Aut.C3.B3noma [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:alt_name El 12 de agosto de 2015, 12:16, Guillermo Marqués Rodríguez ludovic...@gmail.com escribió: Hola Lo que estoy viendo es que existen carreteras en las que la denominación oficial es diferente a la que te puedas encontrar en los carteles de las carreteras-señales de puntos kilométricos, y por eso me preguntaba si se podría crear un tag para poner la denominación oficial sin que esto supusiera un engorro para el resto de usuarios Un saludo El 12 de agosto de 2015, 12:08, Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso sanc...@gmail.com escribió: Hola. Aprobación aprobación tampoco se necesita expresamente pero si que debes comentarlo. En la wiki hay muchas etiquetas que están pendiente de aprobación o que se están votando, pero que ya se están usando. Si un tag solo la usas tu y no la conoce nadie de poco vale. También puede que vayas a crear un tag que ya existe pero se pone de otra manera y de nuevo todo tu trabajo sería inútil. Hay que intentar estandarizar porque sino es un descontrol que sería imposible de utilizar los datos introducidos. Además si pones tag diferentes al que se debe poner luego tendrá que ir otro detrás arreglándolo por lo que sería trabajo doble. Un saludo El El mié, 12 ago 2015 a las 11:41, Guillermo Marqués Rodríguez ludovic...@gmail.com escribió: Buenos días a todos Soy nuevo en el mundo OSM y me encuentro con muchas dudas-preguntas, más o menos a través de la wiki me voy encontrando en este mundo, pero me esta surgiendo una duda con los tags - Entiendo que existen tags para definir el tipo de elemento que es: carreteras autovía, carretera primaria, carretera secundaria... - Y que dentro de cada tag, vuelven a existir tags para definir las características como es el sentido, el nombre de la carretera. Mi pregunta es, si quisiera añadir un nuevo tag dentro del segundo grupo, el que define las características de la carretera, necesitaría comunicarlo al resto de usuarios para su aprobación o al ser de segundo nivel ya no requiere la aprobación de los mismos Un saludo ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Jorge Juan Telegram.me/JorgeJuan https://telegram.me/JorgeJuan ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-it] Discordanza tracce GPS e dati
Il 13/Ago/2015 06:58, Marco Bodrato bodr...@mail.dm.unipi.it ha scritto: Ciao, On Thu, August 13, 2015 12:45 am, Francesco Pelullo wrote: Il 12/ago/2015 19:46, dani rijeka danirijeka.l...@gmail.com ha scritto: Se le tracce GPS caricate su OSM discordano da una sorgente dati certa e georeferenziata come la Carta Tecnica Provinciale disponibile in CC-BY (seppur leggermente, soprattutto mancanza di dettagli fini come due tornanti di un sentiero trasformati in una linea retta, o una scorciatoia presa come traccia del sentiero ufficiale), Nelle aree protette spesso è richiesto di seguire i sentieri ufficiali, perché tagliare le curve crea tracce che poi guidano lo scorrimento d'acqua con conseguente maggiore erosione e danni all'ecosistema, quindi andrei cauto prima di suggerire scorciatoie inserendole in una mappa. Infatti nel caso di specie un sentiero che nella realtà ha parecchi tornanti a brevissima distanza l'uno dall'altro, in OSM risulta una serpentina con curve relativamente morbide (credo sia stata fatta una linea media tra le varie tracce GPS caricate). Non è un'area protetta quindi il problema naturalistico della scorciatoia non sussiste, è solo una questione di mappatura. È accettabile inserire dettagli che risultano dalla Carta ma non dalle tracce GPS? Io mapperei quello che c'è nella realtà e che chiunque altro può verificare. Il concetto di realtà è totalmente astratto e in quanto tale inadatto a decidere cosa inserire in una mappa e cosa no. I toponimi, i confini amministrativi... sono reali? Se in mezzo alla strada c'è realmente un sasso, devo mapparlo? Se la traccia di una scorciatoia è realmente evidente e sempre più profonda perché sta diventando un ruscello, ma i gestori naturalistici della zona stanno tentando di arginare il danno e far ricrescere la vegetazione, chiedendo la collaborazione a tutti perché non la si calpesti, dobbiamo segnarla come sentiero? Il problema è che si dovrebbe conoscere quello che si inserisce, solo così si può sapere cosa è rilevante e cosa no, se il raddrizzamento di una curva dipende da una momentanea defaiance della registrazione GPS o dalla necessità di evitare una frana, se la scorciatoia rimasta sulle tracce GPS è stata presa per evitare un animale selvatico oppure il sentiero si è modificato per la crescita della vegetazione... Non potendo andare sul posto e volendo comunque mappare la zona... si è costretti a scegliere quale sia la fonte più affidabile. Infatti il caso di specie è una zona che conosco a memoria :) -- http://bodrato.it/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [OSM-talk] History of specific areas
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 1:22 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: I don't know if OWL can do it because it is offline. Is OWL gone forever? My recollection is I was living in Salem and just joined the project more recently than OWL's been online. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] History of specific areas
On 13/08/2015 07:22, Maarten Deen wrote: Is there a tool available to search for the history of items in a specific area? OSM History Viewer only works if you have the id of an object. I don't have the id for the node, I just know something was there and has been deleted at some point. If we were talking about ways, then Potlatch 1 would be the way to go, but that doesn't work with nodes. However, you can often get to where you need to by guessing something else that would have been added (or deleted) at the same time, finding the changeset, and finding the other thing that you're looking for there. Alternatively, someone may have a data extract for the date and area that you're interested in - but you'd need to say where and when that was, of course. If none of that works it'll there's the full history planet - see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/History_API_and_Database and the links from it (but that'll be a lot of work). Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] History of specific areas
On Thursday 13 August 2015 08:22:59 Maarten Deen wrote: Is there a tool available to search for the history of items in a specific area? OSM History Viewer only works if you have the id of an object. I don't know if OWL can do it because it is offline. I don't have the id for the node, I just know something was there and has been deleted at some point. I think you may be looking for WhoDidIt: http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/ -- The field from of an email is about as reliable as the address written on the back of an envelope. Use OpenPGP to verify that this message is sent by me. You can find my public key in the public directories, like pool.sks-keyservers.net. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-it] Discordanza tracce GPS e dati
Il 13/ago/2015 06:58, Marco Bodrato bodr...@mail.dm.unipi.it ha scritto: Ciao, Il concetto di realtà è totalmente astratto e in quanto tale inadatto a decidere cosa inserire in una mappa e cosa no. Rispondo sinteticamente dal cellulare: non è questo il caso. Se l'utente ha una conoscenza diretta del luogo, ed i tornanti esistono, si devono riportare in mappa. Ciao /niubii/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-at] Graz+Innsbruck: »Schiene und Straße wurden getrennt«
Hallo, ich verstehe das Problem nicht. Solange die beiden Ways nicht unterschiedliche Layer, haben müssen die sowieso gleich ausgewertet werden, wie als ob alle Tags auf einem Way wären. Nach der gleichen Logik dürften ja dann auch an einander grenzende Gebäude nicht mit beiden Ways über (mind.) 2 Nodes verbunden sein, sondern nur eines der Gebäude die Mauer repräsentieren. Schwierigkeiten bei der Bearbeitung kann ich auch nicht verstehen. In JOSM markiere ich den betroffenen Bereich halt mit gedrückter Alt-Taste solange bis der gewünschte Weg selektiert ist. Das verwendet man eh täglich beim Bearbeiten von verbundenen Landuses. Getrennte Wege finde ich hier sogar besser, weil ich mir dann schnell spezielle Filter auf zB alles was highway und alles way railway ist machen kann und dann je nach Bedarf nur das eine oder andere einblende. Dass das Mapping des öffentlichen Verkehrs im Hauptbereich des dort ansässigen Alpha-Mappers einheitlich sein soll ist schon wichtig, aber dogmatisch nur den einen Ansatz zu verfolgen halte ich für falsch. Speziell für höhere Zoomstufen/Detailmapping wird später sowieso das Mappen der einzelnen Schienenstränge Usus und dann muss man sich sowieso was überlegen, wie die Zusammengehörigkeit von Straße und Schienen dann definiert wird. flaimo 2015-08-13 7:26 GMT+02:00 Andreas Uller a.ul...@gmx.at: Hallo! Ich bin ja grundsätzlich dagegen, die Schienen von den Straßen zu trennen, wenn die Straßenbahn auf der Straße fährt und keinen eigenen Gleiskörper hat. Deine verlinkten Beispiele sind ja noch extremer: Das ist ja (fast) ein selbständiger Gleiskörper, der schon von der Hauptfahrbahn getrennt gezeichnet ist. Da dort aber auch Taxis und Busse fahren dürfen, wurde dort zu den Schienen auch ein highway getagged. Nun hat der User Weltstaat auch das noch aufgeteilt. Da der User sich erst vor 1 Monat angemeldet hat, nehme ich mal an, er hat die bisherigen Diskussionen auf dieser Liste diesbezüglich noch nicht mitbekommen (Zusammenfassung hier: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Graz#Stra.C3.9Fenbahnen_Graz). Ich wäre daher dafür, ihm das mitzuteilen und bitten, es rückgängig zu machen. Wenn er das nicht selbst rückgängig machen kann/will, sollte es jemand anderes machen. Da mir der ÖV in Graz besonders am Herzen liegt, würde ich mich auch anbieten, das zu machen; auf Wunsch natürlich auch in Innsbruck. Andreas *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 12. August 2015 um 22:25 Uhr *Von:* Simon Legner simon.leg...@gmail.com *An:* OpenStreetMap AT talk-at@openstreetmap.org *Betreff:* [Talk-at] Graz+Innsbruck: »Schiene und Straße wurden getrennt« Hallo, User Weltstaat hat gestern und heute in Graz+Innsbruck einen Teil des Straßenbahnnetzes vom Straßennetz separiert. Dabei wurden – soweit ich das gesehen habe und entgegen früheren vergleichbaren Aktionen in Innsbruck – die ÖPNV-Relationen angepasst. Allerdings liegen manche Schienenstränge direkt auf/unter den Straßen und nutzen die gleichen Nodes [1]. Dies erschwert einerseits die Bearbeitung, weil man nur mehr mühsam den richtigen der beiden Wege selektieren kann. Andererseits erscheint es mir konzeptuell falsch: wenn man diese Variante verfolgt, dann müssen Straße und Schiene völlig unabhängig voneinander gemappt werden und dürfen keine gemeinsame Nodes haben. Mit einem weinenden Auge blicke ich auf die zu Anfangszeiten schön abstrahierten Straßenzüge zurück, aber der Zahn der Zeit lässt sich wohl nicht aufhalten – oder doch? Grüße aus Tirol! Simon [1] z.B. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/26187127 und https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/365330155 ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-it] Strada provinciale chiusa per frana
Credo che vada lasciata la way, indicando che l'accesso è consentito solo a pedoni e biciclette nel tratto in questione, mettendo access=no agli altri veicoli. Il giorno 13 agosto 2015 08:25, solitone solit...@mail.com ha scritto: Come mappare una strada chiusa al traffico per frana? C'è solo un passaggio per pedoni e bici, le auto non possono passare. Devo interrompere la way nel punto della frana e congiungere i due tronconi con una footway? ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for Default Map style - pull requested is opened
W dniu 13.08.2015 11:22, Lester Caine napisał(a): producing tiles still eludes me :( Lack of time is the problem, but a decent set of instructions to work with openstreetmap-carto and manage a branch off the current style would be helpful! You may try to contact cquest (https://github.com/cquest), who stands behind high profile OSM FR branch. -- The train is always on time / The trick is to be ready to put your bags down [A. Cohen] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Changeset comments
Hi Should I receive notifications to my OSM website inbox for replies to any changeset comments I write? I vaguely remember getting one for the first one I wrote, but I've had no satisfactions since. I thin think any changeset comments should be listed in outbox as a convenient record. Cheers Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-GB] 259-260-261-262 – July
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue #259-260-261-262 (July 2015), is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu Enjoy! -- ## Manfred ## www.weeklyOSM.eu ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] History of specific areas
On 2015-08-13 11:46, Ruben Maes wrote: On Thursday 13 August 2015 08:22:59 Maarten Deen wrote: Is there a tool available to search for the history of items in a specific area? OSM History Viewer only works if you have the id of an object. I don't know if OWL can do it because it is offline. I don't have the id for the node, I just know something was there and has been deleted at some point. I think you may be looking for WhoDidIt: http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/ Looks promising, but does not really help. The RSS feed only goes back to this year and it is hard searching in changesets for deleted nodes. Deleted nodes do not show an icon in front of them like existing nodes do so you'd have to click each node's history to investigate. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-lt] Dzyvų dzyvai...
pamiršai paminėti didžiausią dzyvą -- beveik visi keliai vos linijos (t.y. 0,000m) pločio :-) Tai du skirtingų tipų duomenys: 1. Dabartiniai KELIŲ vektoriai sudaro kelių grafą, skirtą maršrutams skaičiuoti. Iš šių vektorių paišant žemėlapį yra apytiksliai SPĖJAMAS kelio plotas. 2. Miškai, pievos ir pan. yra iš karto tiksliai žymimi PLOTAI, kurie jokiame grafe nedalyvauja. Žodžiu vieni pagal standartinį gis yra VEKTORIAI, o kiti PLOTAI - skirtingų tipų geometrijos. Kelio plotas Lietuvoje žymimas labai retai (paprastai tik privažiavimo keliams, kurie dažnai perauga iš kelio į aikšteles, kurių geometrijos vektorius tikrai neperduoda). Ir pažymėjus plotą visada turi būti pridėtas ir vektorius, nes ploto informacija niekaip nedalyvauja maršrutizavimo grafe (nebent kartais per klaidą sudalyvauja neteisingai). Sutinku, kad mažų kelių plotais žymėti gal ir nebūtina ir atitinkamai miško, pievos, dirbamos žemės nebūtina pastumti, juk su smulkiais keliais ir paklaida nedidelė gaunasi - keli metrai. Kitas reikalas motorway/trunk/primary/secondary/tertiary keliai, kurie yra tikrai platūs. Va prie jų centro, mano galva, nereikėtų pritempinėti žemėnaudos. Didelio išlošimo „žymėjimo paprastumui“ aš kol kas nematau: kaip teisingai Aurimas pastebi, vis tiek braižomi tie papildomi vektoriai, tik jie eina vienas ant kito, kartais kuriami ryšiai prieš tai kelią dalinant į mažus gabaliukus, kas irgi nėra labai „greitas“ procesas. O rezultate geometrija gaunasi stipriai neteisinga. Kuriant ryšius kelių informacija padalinama į stipriai didesnį atskirų vektoriukų skaičių, dėl to pasidaro stipriai sunkiau redaguoti kelių info. Suprantu ir kitą dalyką, kad jei kada nors pilnai įgyvendinsime topologijos tikrinimą, tai vienas iš klaidų tipų bus „tušti/neužpildyti“ plotai. Bet tada ir kelius bus galima plotais žymėti ir tas skyles užkamšyti. (Dabar topologijos prasme tikrinami tik plotų susikirtimai/persidengimai). Ir ar tikrai mes turime tiek daug neturinčių ką veikti „resursų“, kurie vietoje vieno vektoriaus žymėtų tris, o paskui su kiekvienu pasikeitimu taisytų vėlgi visus tris? Pardon, bet aš į šitokių resursų kategoriją nepapuolu. Kalba apie tai, kad dabar esantys vieni resursai nepridarytų papildomo darbo kitiems esamiems resursams :-) Na ir kad būtų vienas susitarimas, tada bus mažiau pykčių/nesusipratimų. Mano pasiūlymas būtų toks: Nuo motorway iki tertiary (imtinai) kelius įsivaizduoti kaip pažymėtus plotais ir atitinkamai žymėti greta esančius miškus, pievas, dirbamas žemes. (Su residential/industrial/commercial ir pan. kita kalba, nes tai nėra fiziniai objektai, tai atskira irgi plati tema, kurią siūlyčiau aptarti kitą kartą). Kokie būtų konkretūs prieštaravimai mano pasiūlymui arba argumentai pritraukimui prie centro linijos? (Kol kas buvo tik argumentas dėl žymėjimo paprastumo, gal yra dar kas nors?) -- Tomas ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Démolition église
je pensais plutot au préfixe destroyed et non demolished. Le point géodésique ne devrait aussi pas etre enlevé physiquement avant le passage d'un géomètre qui ira en poser d'autres. et éventuellement même en améliorer la précision si l'ancien relevé était ancien. parmi les candidats il y a maintenant les positions des antennes mobiles et peut-être a proximité des bâtiments hauts observables a distance. il n'estvpsinurile de regarder autour s'il y a de nouveaux relevés. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk] 259-260-261-262 – July
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue #259-260-261-262 (July 2015), is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu Enjoy! -- ## Manfred ## www.weeklyOSM.eu ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comments
On 13/08/15 11:17, Dave F. wrote: Should I receive notifications to my OSM website inbox for replies to any changeset comments I write? I vaguely remember getting one for the first one I wrote, but I've had no satisfactions since. No, you should get an email. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comments
On 13/08/2015 11:30, Tom Hughes wrote: On 13/08/15 11:17, Dave F. wrote: Should I receive notifications to my OSM website inbox for replies to any changeset comments I write? I vaguely remember getting one for the first one I wrote, but I've had no satisfactions since. No, you should get an email. Tom Hmm.. strange. I get replies to normal messages I send. I wonder if I'm alone in this. Not sure what a 'satisfaction' is, either. Cheers Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for Default Map style - pull requested is opened
On 12/08/15 23:18, Andrew Hain wrote: We have a great opportunity for a spot of promotion. Publish a post on our blog announcing the new style and explaining the reasoning behind it. Don’t forget to remind people that there’s a wide variety of map styles out there that you can even write your own style. It is perhaps time to review the front page yet again to provide better links to some of the alternatives. This is a major WTF change which will affect a LOT of third party users of the current map. The changes to date have been bad enough, but I WAS hoping to have an alternative rendering engine working by now so I can switch my UK location maps to retain the main selling point for using OSM over Google ... the roads are the right colours ... but while I've got the planet file replicating and tilemill is running, getting the current style setup actually producing tiles still eludes me :( Lack of time is the problem, but a decent set of instructions to work with openstreetmap-carto and manage a branch off the current style would be helpful! -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-es] Detector de caminos automáticamente en JOSM
Muy buenas a la comunidad, Hace mucho, mucho tiempo que me llevo preguntando por algún plug-in o extensión para poder detectar y dibujar caminos automáticamente a partir de ortofotos y no tener que ir nodo a nodo siguiendo su trazado. Sé que ha habido intentos por generar una extensión (Bing Road detect API), pero me dá que su desarrollo se ha paralizado y cuando intento seguir los pasos de su instalación, la web folk-ntu. no funciona. Por lo tanto, es inviable su uso. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing_road_detect_API Sé que el Bing Road Detect aparace instalado de serie en Merkaartor, pero no he tenido narices de hacerlo funcionar. ¿Cuánto tiempo nos ahorraríamos si pudiéramos mapear automáticamente caminos a partir de ortofotos? ¿Cómo podría aumentar la precisión del mapa y acabar de mapear caminos del mundo de un modo más efectivo, simple y con mayor velocidad? Hace poco he conseguido hacer funcionar el plug-in Scanaerial. Lo único que este plug-in solo detecta patrones de colores y te dibuja, principalmente lagunas. Además, lo intenté con un camino amplio, a ver cómo era su comportamiento, y lo que hace es generar una vía cerrada siguiendo los límites del camino. Vamos, que para el propósito que tenía no es válido. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Scanaerial Si algún desarrollador esta leyendo esto, ¿sería viable hacer funcionar bien el Bing Road Detect? ¿Sería viable modificar el plugin Scanaerial para que detectara patrones lineales de caminos en vez de patrones de colores cerrados? Por favor, las ventajas de tener un detector automático haría que el proyecto creciera a un ritmo seguro que elevadísimo. No me creo que sea un proceso extremadamente complicado. Animo a que valoréis la posibilidad y que comentéis si hay alguna alternativa, la comentéis. Un saludo a todos, Mario -- ### *Mario Modesto Mata* *Grupo de Antropología Dental* (CENIEH http://www.cenieh.es) *Primeros Pobladores de Extremadura* (EPPEX http://iphes.urv.cat/eppex/) Mis *fotografías*: [image: logo] https://losojosdeantecessor.wordpress.com/ ### ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for Default Map style - pull requested is opened
On 13/08/15 10:37, Daniel Koć wrote: W dniu 13.08.2015 11:22, Lester Caine napisał(a): producing tiles still eludes me :( Lack of time is the problem, but a decent set of instructions to work with openstreetmap-carto and manage a branch off the current style would be helpful! You may try to contact cquest (https://github.com/cquest), who stands behind high profile OSM FR branch. Have worked through that crib sheet ... I'm down as far as 'Dependencies' and have TileMill installed, but while the project is visible, it will not load, giving errors which I need to find time to work through. Suspect access to database is the first problem as the changes of user name did not work ... but what I am missing is an osm.xml file for the tile generator ... I think :( -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-lt] Dzyvų dzyvai...
On 2015.08.13 13:02, Tomas Straupis wrote: Suprantu ir kitą dalyką, kad jei kada nors pilnai įgyvendinsime topologijos tikrinimą, tai vienas iš klaidų tipų bus „tušti/neužpildyti“ plotai. Bet tada ir kelius bus galima plotais žymėti ir tas skyles užkamšyti. (Dabar topologijos prasme tikrinami tik plotų susikirtimai/persidengimai). Na, aš siūlyčiau kitokį sprendimo variantą tam -- ne plotais žymėti kelius, o palikti vektorius, bet pridėti pločio atributą ir geometriją specifiniams taikymams paskaičiuoti pagal centro liniją ± pusė pločio. Ir ar tikrai mes turime tiek daug neturinčių ką veikti „resursų“, kurie vietoje vieno vektoriaus žymėtų tris, o paskui su kiekvienu pasikeitimu taisytų vėlgi visus tris? Pardon, bet aš į šitokių resursų kategoriją nepapuolu. Kalba apie tai, kad dabar esantys vieni resursai nepridarytų papildomo darbo kitiems esamiems resursams :-) Na ir kad būtų vienas susitarimas, tada bus mažiau pykčių/nesusipratimų. Mano pasiūlymas būtų toks: Nuo motorway iki tertiary (imtinai) kelius įsivaizduoti kaip pažymėtus plotais ir atitinkamai žymėti greta esančius miškus, pievas, dirbamas žemes. (Su residential/industrial/commercial ir pan. kita kalba, nes tai nėra fiziniai objektai, tai atskira irgi plati tema, kurią siūlyčiau aptarti kitą kartą). Kokie būtų konkretūs prieštaravimai mano pasiūlymui arba argumentai pritraukimui prie centro linijos? (Kol kas buvo tik argumentas dėl žymėjimo paprastumo, gal yra dar kas nors?) Dėl vienas prieš tris vektorius. Aš kalbėjau ar verta mišką skelti į du plotus, jei per jį eina netgi tas pats motorway. Jei skaidome, gaunam 3 vektorius, jei ne -- tai lieka tik vienas. -- Aidas Kasparas ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
[Talk-at] Graz+Innsbruck: »Schiene und Straße wurden getrennt«
Hallo! Der Verantwortliche meldet sich zu Wort: Wie ihr ja schon bemerkt habt bin ich neu in der OSM Community. Deshalb wusste ich auch nichts über euren Beschluss und die vergangenen Diskussionen darüber (habe ich jetzt nachgeholt). Ich habe mir Mühe gegeben, bei meinen Edits die Relationen nicht zu zerschießen und auch sonst die Funktionalität der Daten nicht einzuschränken. Ich hoffe, das ist mir einigermaßen gelungen. Wenn mir Fehler unterlaufen sind, tut es mir leid und ich werde mich selbstverständlich darum kümmern. Was die Grundsatzdiskussion Schienen und Straße trennen betrifft, bin ich anderer Meinung und würde gern nochmal darüber reden. Ich werde mich morgen, spätestens am Samstag wieder melden und bitte euch meine Edits bis dahin nicht rückgängig zu machen. Ich hoffe ich habe nicht für zuviel Aufregung gesorgt und entschuldige mich, dass ich nicht gleich recherchiert habe, ob über das Thema schon gesprochen wurde. Grüße, Jonathan ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-lt] Dzyvų dzyvai...
Na, aš siūlyčiau kitokį sprendimo variantą tam -- ne plotais žymėti kelius, o palikti vektorius, bet pridėti pločio atributą ir geometriją specifiniams taikymams paskaičiuoti pagal centro liniją ± pusė pločio. Na galutinis variantas kelių atžvilgiu yra kelių žymėjimas DVIEJŲ tipų objektais, nes yra du vienas nuo kito nepriklausomi panaudojimai: 1. Vektoriai - naudojama kelių grafui kurti (naudojama maršrutizavime). 2. Plotai - naudojami kelių plotui žymėti (naudojama dėliojant žemėlapio „mozaikas“). Į šitą objektų klasifikaciją patenka ir miškai, pievos ir pan. Taigi šios klasės tipo objektams galima taikyti topologijos taisykles: nepersidengti. Pavyzdžiui anksčiau pievų, dirbamų žemių beveik nežymėjom, bet dėl to vieno miško prie kito nepritraukinėjom - palikdavome tuščią plotą, kuris dabar užpildomas kitais objektais. Mano galva taip pat turėtų būti ir su keliais. Jei aš esu ant kelio, man žemėlapis neturėtų sakyti, kad esu miške ar pievoje. Taigi jei kelio ploto nepaišome, tai nereiškia, kad ant viršaus turime užpaišyti kažką kitą, ko ten nėra. Variantas su kelio pločio nurodymu būtų labai įdomus ir teoriškai įmanomas, bet praktiškai sunkiai panaudojamas dėl kelių priežasčių: 1. Stipriai sudėtingėtų mapnik, qgis ar kitų įrankių žemėlapio braižymo taisyklės. 2. Sankryžose, autobusų stotelėse ir pan. vis tiek tektų nurodyti realias geometrijas plotais, o ne matematinėmis formulėmis. 3. Lietuvoje išradinėtume savo sistemą. Abejoju, kad pas mus atsirastų resursų, kurie kurtų programas kelio plotų išskaičiavimui iš papildomų atributų. Dėl vienas prieš tris vektorius. Aš kalbėjau ar verta mišką skelti į du plotus, jei per jį eina netgi tas pats motorway. Jei skaidome, gaunam 3 vektorius, jei ne -- tai lieka tik vienas. Klausimas ar didelio poligono skėlimas gerai, ar blogai :-) Gerai: paprastėja geometrija. Kai kurie įrankiai arba nesugeba, arba bent jau stipriai susimąsto pamatę super sudėtingos geometrijos objektą (pvz. geofabriko shape extractai apskrtai praleisdavo sudėtingas geometrijas, todėl trūko daug miškų). Ta proga Lietuvoje eilė didžiulių miškų buvo specialiai padalinta į gabalus dalinant juos pagal realiai esančius miško tarpus - geležinkelius, aukštos įtampos linijas, didžiuosius kelius, valstybių sienas ir pan. Kuriant garmino žemėlapius kai kurie dideli poligonai yra specialiai dalinami į mažesnius ir paprastesnius, tik neįlindę į patį žemėlapio failą mes to nematome. Blogai: daugiau objektų. Bet žiūrint į pirmą punktą daugiau objektų gal ir nėra blogai... :-) P.S. Mano pirmos pastabos nereiškia, kad dabar reikia pulti žymėti kelių plotus. Reikia tik „palikti vietą“ būsimam kelių plotų žymėjimui. -- Tomas ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
I appreciate that there are strong feelings about this topic, but we could certainly use more constructive language and have a civilized conversation. You're one of the people that needs to shut the hell up is not a great way to win hearts and minds and especially not a great representation of our community. Please reconsider your approach here, Russ. On Aug 13, 2015 1:01 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Frederik Ramm writes: Hi, On 08/11/2015 07:09 AM, Russ Nelson wrote: If you have ever said delete things you don't see, then you need to shut the hell up, because you are making the map worse. Just stop! Delete things you don't see (with some notable exceptions, abandoned railways not being among them). Yep. You're one of the people who needs to shut the hell up. I wasn't going to name names -- thank you for fingering yourself as one of the guilty parties. Thanks for your cooperation in ceasing this practice, I really appreciate your help. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-it-trentino] consiglio mappa da proiettare
La domanda sarebbe questa: avete da consigliarmi un possibile sfondo (OSM o anche altro) che potrebbe andare bene per questo scopo? Per intenderci, una via di mezzo tra il classico OSM e Stamen Watercolor, senza troppi dettagli, ma adatto ad essere proiettato. In qgis puoi usare tre plugin utili al tuo scopo - OpenLayers plugin appena lo usi questo ti riproietta tutto in EPSG:3857 (la google mercator per intenderci) Fra i TMS trovi disponibili diversi servizi fra qui quella di Mapquest, quella dell'HOT OSM e quelle di Stamen - QuickMapService plugin questo invece scarica le tile dal server remoto e le riproietta secondo la proiezione che hai in uso Qui trovi OSM, Mapquest ed altre Inoltre ha una funzione dove scarica altri tms da contributi esterni - TileLayerPlugin questo ti permette di caricare diversi TMS (ricordati però di riproiettare tutto in EPSG:3857) Le specifiche su come fare ad aggiungere le trovi qui https://github.com/minorua/TileLayerPlugin http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/82075/how-to-add-a-custom-map-tile-layer Se vuoi qualche idea di TMS alternative fa un salto qui http://mc.bbbike.org/ per trovare le url basta che guardi la chiamata ad una delle tile e poi diventa facile my2cents ___ Talk-it-trentino mailing list Talk-it-trentino@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it-trentino
Re: [Talk-ca] Looking for competent OSM editors to improve the map on Toronto area and Toronto PATH
Hi George, I have a few employers who are dedicating part of their funding to improve the map on Toronto and Toronto PATH, specially. This is a funded effort. How much of this funding will flow through to the mappers doing the work? This sharing economy can go *both* ways, too. More details, please contact Darren Jones, at … Darren could always join this list and ask directly. It sounds like he has specific requests. The PATH's signage and mapping has always been broken by design. Retailers didn't want too many people rushing past: lost people spend more. There have been apps in the past (one good one from a few years back that was maintained manually for a few months - then the developer moved away, and it died) but nothing stuck. cheers, Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
sent from a phone Am 13.08.2015 um 13:54 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: Leave the node data in OSM, change the tag building=yes to building=demolished the key building does follow some semantic rules, the value should be yes, no or a building type. Demolished is not a building type but a lifecycle state. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
On Thursday 13 August 2015 21:54:39 Warin wrote: Leave the node data in OSM, change the tag building=yes to building=demolished (may not be rendered nor official OSM tagging) add a note as to who/why .. I advocate using demolished:building=yes as described in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix. This is clearer for data consumers. -- The field from of an email is about as reliable as the address written on the back of an envelope. Use OpenPGP to verify that this message is sent by me. You can find my public key in the public directories, like pool.sks-keyservers.net. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 21:54:39 +1000 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: For example a demolished building .. may have a new building built on the same spot .. with the same outline. Leave the node data in OSM, change the tag building=yes to building=demolished (may not be rendered nor official OSM tagging) add a note as to who/why .. and then if rebuilt change the tag back to building=yes... with a source tag please. If the site has a different shaped building then the nodes will have to be changed, or the site gets used for something else .. then change it. But untill then leave the old data there. This is a bad idea. Maybe [note=this building is demolished] to protect against mapping from outdated aerial images may be OK. But expecting data consumers displaying buildings to filter out building=demolished, building=razed, building=proposed etc etc is a really bad idea. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
Snipped for PC below, meanings remain. On 13/08/2015 9:30 PM, Ian Dees wrote: I appreciate that there are strong feelings about this topic, but we could certainly use more constructive language and have a civilized conversation. Passion is what can make a good mapper. But keep it in perspective people. Please reconsider your approach here, Russ. On Aug 13, 2015 1:01 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com mailto:nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Frederik Ramm writes: Hi, On 08/11/2015 07:09 AM, Russ Nelson wrote: If you have ever said delete things you don't see, then you are making the map worse. Just stop! Delete things you don't see (with some notable exceptions, abandoned railways not being among them). Yep. You're one of the people. I wasn't going to name names -- thank you for fingering yourself as one of the guilty parties. Thanks for your cooperation in ceasing this practice, I really appreciate your help. I have deleted things I did not see. For years I passed that spot and never saw these things One day I went there to do some mapping not just passing.. those thing I deleted .. they were there So I put them back... but I hope I learnt a lesson.. if there is something in OSM; I really should not deleted it/them. I can change the tags, and certainly add notes, fixmes ... but not remove unless I'm absolutely certain that the information can never be used in the future! For example a demolished building .. may have a new building built on the same spot .. with the same outline. Leave the node data in OSM, change the tag building=yes to building=demolished (may not be rendered nor official OSM tagging) add a note as to who/why .. and then if rebuilt change the tag back to building=yes... with a source tag please. If the site has a different shaped building then the nodes will have to be changed, or the site gets used for something else .. then change it. But untill then leave the old data there. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-it-trentino] consiglio mappa da proiettare
Ciao a tutti, Scrivo qui per chiedevi un piccolo consiglio: Lunedì prossimo 17 a Caldonazzo si terrà un incontro pubblico sul tema attuale e caldo (purtroppo) della Valdastico Nord, dove parleranno alcuni esperti. Mi piacerebbe preparare da proiettare un paio di slide con, sullo sfondo, la mappa della zona interessata, con qualche freccia/bollino/testo inserito sopra con QGIS o un programma di grafica. La domanda sarebbe questa: avete da consigliarmi un possibile sfondo (OSM o anche altro) che potrebbe andare bene per questo scopo? Per intenderci, una via di mezzo tra il classico OSM e Stamen Watercolor, senza troppi dettagli, ma adatto ad essere proiettato. Magari qualcuno di voi ha già fatto qualcosa di simile... grazie! michele ___ Talk-it-trentino mailing list Talk-it-trentino@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it-trentino
Re: [Talk-it-trentino] consiglio mappa da proiettare
Grazie Napo! Se vuoi qualche idea di TMS alternative fa un salto qui http://mc.bbbike.org/ per trovare le url basta che guardi la chiamata ad una delle tile e poi diventa facile E tra questi trovo sicuramente quello che fa per me! 2015-08-13 14:31 GMT+02:00 Maurizio Napolitano napoo...@gmail.com: La domanda sarebbe questa: avete da consigliarmi un possibile sfondo (OSM o anche altro) che potrebbe andare bene per questo scopo? Per intenderci, una via di mezzo tra il classico OSM e Stamen Watercolor, senza troppi dettagli, ma adatto ad essere proiettato. In qgis puoi usare tre plugin utili al tuo scopo - OpenLayers plugin appena lo usi questo ti riproietta tutto in EPSG:3857 (la google mercator per intenderci) Fra i TMS trovi disponibili diversi servizi fra qui quella di Mapquest, quella dell'HOT OSM e quelle di Stamen - QuickMapService plugin questo invece scarica le tile dal server remoto e le riproietta secondo la proiezione che hai in uso Qui trovi OSM, Mapquest ed altre Inoltre ha una funzione dove scarica altri tms da contributi esterni - TileLayerPlugin questo ti permette di caricare diversi TMS (ricordati però di riproiettare tutto in EPSG:3857) Le specifiche su come fare ad aggiungere le trovi qui https://github.com/minorua/TileLayerPlugin http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/82075/how-to-add-a-custom-map-tile-layer Se vuoi qualche idea di TMS alternative fa un salto qui http://mc.bbbike.org/ per trovare le url basta che guardi la chiamata ad una delle tile e poi diventa facile my2cents ___ Talk-it-trentino mailing list Talk-it-trentino@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it-trentino
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
On Thursday 13 August 2015 15:10:14 Mateusz Konieczny wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 21:54:39 +1000 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: For example a demolished building .. may have a new building built on the same spot .. with the same outline. Leave the node data in OSM, change the tag building=yes to building=demolished (may not be rendered nor official OSM tagging) add a note as to who/why .. and then if rebuilt change the tag back to building=yes... with a source tag please. If the site has a different shaped building then the nodes will have to be changed, or the site gets used for something else .. then change it. But untill then leave the old data there. This is a bad idea. Maybe [note=this building is demolished] to protect against mapping from outdated aerial images may be OK. But expecting data consumers displaying buildings to filter out building=demolished, building=razed, building=proposed etc etc is a really bad idea. Or you use demolished:building=yes as I said an hour ago. This is clearer than a note IMO, allows to retain all tags of the demolished building for reference and caters for potential data consumers interested in demolished buildings. -- The field from of an email is about as reliable as the address written on the back of an envelope. Use OpenPGP to verify that this message is sent by me. You can find my public key in the public directories, like pool.sks-keyservers.net. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] History of specific areas
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015, at 09:31, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 1:22 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: I don't know if OWL can do it because it is offline. Is OWL gone forever? My recollection is I was living in Salem and just joined the project more recently than OWL's been online. Unfortunately, for now the answer is yes. But this may change in the future. So I guess it's not gone forever. Maybe... Paweł _ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-it] Strada provinciale chiusa per frana
sent from a phone Am 13.08.2015 um 15:42 schrieb solitone solit...@mail.com: On 13/08/15 11:53, Dario Crespi wrote: Credo che vada lasciata la way, indicando che l'accesso è consentito solo a pedoni e biciclette nel tratto in questione, mettendo access=no agli altri veicoli. E' che la strada lì è proprio franata, non c'è più, ce solo uno stretto passaggio per pedoni e bici. per me la tua proposta di spezzare la strada dov'è franata e cambiare il valore highway li in path avrebbe senso. Aggiungerei anche un tag note per spiegare cos'è successo ciao Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
On 13/08/15 14:59, Max wrote: so here is a concrete example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=16/41.7971/-88.3293 there is a hole in the abandoned railway, which orgiginally was probably going through. How would you map this? This is a perfect example of something which should be covered by OHM, but a stop date on the abandoned track bed would flag that information. The missing bit should have information somewhere that shows when it was lifted and the new structures added. It would not surprise me if the service road foundation was the old track bed anyway? What IS there needs mapping ;) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-it] Strada provinciale chiusa per frana
On 13/08/15 11:53, Dario Crespi wrote: Credo che vada lasciata la way, indicando che l'accesso è consentito solo a pedoni e biciclette nel tratto in questione, mettendo access=no agli altri veicoli. E' che la strada lì è proprio franata, non c'è più, ce solo uno stretto passaggio per pedoni e bici. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-uy] Definición de localidades
Sin ánimo de polemizar, el SGM no es el encargado oficial de determinar localidades. Todo lo relacionado con localidades realmente oficiales, o sea creadas por decretos o leyes, se asienta mediante planos de mensura registrados en Catastro, que es en definitiva el encargado del mantenimiento de la información. Por eso plantee en mensaje anterior lo de dejar claro de que hablamos cuando se dice localidad, o sea distinguir localidad catastral, de zona censal o de por ejemplo una zona habitada como puede ser Arrocera El Tigre, que es una empresa donde vive gente y el INE lo censa en forma independiente. De todas maneras, la idea era mejorar el mapa, para que fuera mas entendible por el usuario común y que bueno se de el intercambio de opiniones. Saludos El 13 de agosto de 2015, 9:55, Gustavo Miraballes agusgo...@gmail.com escribió: Estimados, ni las localidades del Ine y ni las localidades catastrales son un reflejo de las localidades reales. Solo las localidades determinadas por el SGM son las oficiales. En todos los casos nos estaríamos quedando corto si queremos reflejar la realidad. Alguien va a participar del evento State of de Map LatAm 2015 a realizarse en Santiago de Chile, el mes que viene? slds, El 11 de agosto de 2015, 10:23, aml...@adinet.com.uy aml...@adinet.com.uy escribió: Estimados: dado que tenemos algunos problemitas de definición de límites de localidades según las fuentes usadas del INE y de que Catastro esta publicando shp de todo el pais de las localidades actualizadas, planteo sería correcto usar estas nuevas fuentes como definición de localidades. Ej: ciudad de Treinta y Tres esta partida en dos segíun el INE, ciudad de Treinta y Tres y una localidad ficta llamada Ejido de Treinta y tres, (cosa que confunde a los usuarios) esta debe desaparecer y fusionar las dos areas, para que se adecue a la realidad. Algunas localidades estan en proceso de actualización en catastro y se me informó estarían a fin de año, no se si será cierto. Poniendo énfasis, en que Catastro es la autoridad en esta información y su mantenimiento y que ahora entró en una etapa de compartir datos, les dejo la inquietud y vemos que hacemos. saludos ___ Talk-uy mailing list Talk-uy@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-uy ___ Talk-uy mailing list Talk-uy@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-uy
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
so here is a concrete example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=16/41.7971/-88.3293 there is a hole in the abandoned railway, which orgiginally was probably going through. How would you map this? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-in] Map your waste
Its rainy season now in Bengaluru and we see clogs in sewage manholes in most of the roads in the city when it rains heavily. Volunteers of Free Software Movement Karnataka(FSMK) http://fsmk.org/ are organizing 'Map your waste' mapping event using OpenStreetMap and requesting the OSM community to join this mapping event. The idea is to survey the area in the vicinity/neighborhood for sewage manholes, sewage lines and public toilets using Fieldpapers https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Field_Papers and OSMtracker https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSMtracker/Keypad-Mapper_3 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Keypad-Mapper_3/Mapillary https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapillary in GPS-enabled android device. And then comeback to add the data to OSM using id https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Id/JOSM https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM editor. For adding the data, we'll be using manhole=sewer https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:manhole tag and manmade=pipeline with type=sewage https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpipeline tags to add sewage lines. Any suggestions on using tags are welcome. Currently there are no manhole http://taginfo.openstreetmap.in/keys/manhole#overview or sewage http://taginfo.openstreetmap.in/tags/man_made=pipeline#combinations objects mapped in India OSM(different tags used?) and looks like a unique mapping effort. :) More details here - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India/Events/Map_your_waste,_FSMK_Bengaluru -- Yogesh K S Sent from an Electronic Device ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Max abonneme...@revolwear.com wrote: so here is a concrete example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=16/41.7971/-88.3293 there is a hole in the abandoned railway, which orgiginally was probably going through. How would you map this? https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk You could keep the way there, and tag it railway=razed. That's kind of a compromise, as the data is still there, but should pretty much only render on OpenRailwayMap. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Demolished_Railway ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-br] Solicitação LAI (Lei de Acesso à Informação) ao IPP sobre o Geolog
Bom dia, Existem poucos casos em que a lei de acesso à informação (*LEI Nº 12.527, DE 18 DE NOVEMBRO DE 2011. http://legislacao.planalto.gov.br/legisla/legislacao.nsf/Viw_Identificacao/lei%2012.527-2011?OpenDocument)* não se aplica. No caso de bases cartográficas, não vejo uma forma de enquadrá-la como sigilosa, pois isso seria um grande absurdo e poderia ser punido por esta própria lei. Eu pretendo preparar um modelo de carta comercial para que qualquer interessado possa ter acesso a qualquer base cartográfica do país. []s -- Helton Nogueira *UCHOA* :: engenheiro.uc...@gmail.com *Information Technology and Geospatial Specialist - Project Manager* *OSGeo Charter Member (www.osgeo.org http://www.osgeo.org)* +55 *85* 8886-3909 (OI - *WhatsApp*) :: +55 *85* 9716-7769 (TIM) :: +55 *85* 3037-8689 (MULTIPLAY) Blog: helton.uchoa.com/ LinkedIn: br.linkedin.com/in/heltonuchoa/ Facebook: www.facebook.com/HeltonNogueiraUchoa Twitter: https://twitter.com/helton_uchoa (@helton_uchoa) Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/channels/engenheirouchoa Papers: http://pt.scribd.com/heltonuchoa Em 13 de agosto de 2015 11:58, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com escreveu: Prezados senhores do Instituto Pereira Passos, Quero saber quais são os termos de licença do Cadlog. Em especial: 1) O Cadlog é domínio público? Se o Cadlog não for de domínio público: 2) Posso utilizá-lo para fins comerciais? 3) Posso fazer trabalhos derivados em cima do mapa (ou seja, modificá-lo e publicar)? 4) Se eu fizer um trabalho derivado, esse trabalho tem que dar atribuição? 5) Se tiver atribuição, essa atribuição tem que ficar como legenda do mapa ou pode ficar em uma página apartada? Obrigado pela atenção. Att., Arlindo Pereira -- Forwarded message -- From: prefeitura_da_cidade_do_rio_de_jane...@rio.rj.gov.br Date: 2015-08-11 15:27 GMT-03:00 Subject: Re: Subprefeitura/Administração Regional - 2049648 To: cont...@arlindopereira.com *OUVIDORIA DA PREFEITURA DO RIO DE JANEIRO* Prezado(a) Sr(a). ARLINDO SARAIVA PEREIRA JUNIOR, Agradecemos o seu contato. Queira por gentileza contactar diretamente o instituto, conforme dados abaixo, para maiores detalhes. Sem mais, Geral 2976- Recepção 2976-6594 / 2976-6595 Assessoria de Comunicação 2976-6605 e 2976-6462 ascom.ipp...@gmail.com Atenciosamente, Ouvidoria da Prefeitura - GERAL Visite o nosso Portal na Internet. E seja bem-vindo ao mundo da Prefeitura! Esta mensagem não pode ser respondida diretamente pelo seu e-mail. Para se comunicar com a Ouvidoria, cadastre nova solicitação em http://www.rio.rj.gov.br/ouvidoria ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comments
By the way, is there any way to enumerate all the changesets discussions in which a given user has commented ? There is of course http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussions but it doesn't cover that use case. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-pt] Conduta errática de um utilizador
Olá Francisco Já sabes um pouco a minha opinião sobre esse mapeador. Penso que o castigo que teve no DWG adiantou de muito pouco. De facto deixei um feedback nessa edição que mandaste, e ele corrigiu. No entanto mandei mensagem pessoal para ele e nenhuma resposta. Além disso, e depois de o prevenir duas vezes sobre o facto do potlach2 ser bastante susceptivel a deixar vias desligadas, ele continua a usá-lo e em vez de ter cuidado extra, continua a deixar vias abertas. Ontem mesmo avisei-o sobre uma ligação à A5 que ele deixou em aberto, tendo ele corrigido umas horas depois. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23837817#map=19/38.72576/-9.41100 Ontem, também à noite para não estar a massacrá-lo, acabei por corrigir um ramal de saída da A28 perto de matosinhos que ele tinha deixado aberto há 9 dias. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25704103/history#map=17/41.19644/-8.68627 A questão é que o utilizador em questão não tem sensabilidade, para reconhecer o prejuízo que estas vias abertas deixam (logo em vias rápidas/autoestradas de grande afluência) . Principalmente quando existem soluções de navegação por GPS que usam os dados em tempo real do openstreetmap. Penso que ele só se importa em deixar as vias todas redondas e perfeitas, mesmo que isso implique deixar algumas abertas e vir completá-las no dia seguinte (foi essa a ideia que me deu da única mensagem das 5 que lhe enviei que me respondeu). Ele pratica um couch mapping (mapeamento de sofá) sem colaboração com a comunidade que pode ser na minha opinião mais prejudicial do que benéfico. Não tenho nada contra essa prática de mapear com base em imagens satélites (eu também o faço). Como a nossa comunidade é pequena em Portugal, é perfeitamente aceitável, desde que haja coordenação e quando alguém me aponta algo (como já o fizeram), ao menos me digne a responder à outra pessoa a agradecer ter encontrado um lapso que eu cometi (afinal errar é humano). Agora voltando ao assunto do tópico, é prática comum dele fazer edições como essa à ponte raínha santa (da minha cidade), que na minha opinião não traz nada de novo, a não ser talvez tornar os contornos das estradas mais redondos. Contudo, por mais que fique mais realista ou bonito, não justifica andar a apagar vias e reconstruir de novo, e com isso apagar trabalho que alguns contribuidores no seu pouco tempo livre contribuíram (e merecem o devido reconhecimento). Por isso, na minha opinião por esta edição trazer mais prejuízo que benefícios deveria ser revertida, e ser-lhe enviada uma mensagem a dar conta do sucedido. 2015-08-13 12:29 GMT+01:00 f.dos.san...@free.fr: Viva, Outra vez, queria a vossa opinião sob este changeset : - https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33224656 Para mim há muito ways apagados que indica provavelmente que não houve respeito e melhoria do trabalho anterior mas retirada completa para colocar outro trabalho no mesmo lugar. Vi por exemplo que os turn:lanes já não lá estão : - https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/121173722/history - https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/286675662/history - https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/286674653/history - https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/286675863/history Outro caso este way (lanes=2) foi apagado : - https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/362807552/history E foi colocado 2 highway (de classificação diferente) no mesmo lugar : - http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/364797191 - http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/364797207 O que pensam (sobretudo o pessoal de Coimbra) deste changeset ? Francisco ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt
Re: [Talk-uy] Fwd: Definición de localidades
Soy nuevo en este foro pero comparto la solución propuesta. Saludos De: Ing Angel Lago aml...@adinet.com.uy Para: Talk-uy Talk-uy@openstreetmap.org Enviados: Jueves, 13 de Agosto 2015 15:01:15 Asunto: [Talk-uy] Fwd: Definición de localidades -- Mensaje reenviado -- De: Ing Angel Lago aml...@adinet.com.uy Fecha: 13 de agosto de 2015, 13:07 Asunto: Re: [Talk-uy] Definición de localidades Para: Gustavo Miraballes agusgo...@gmail.com Entendido. Seguimos.en contacto, Saludos El 13/08/2015 12:58, Gustavo Miraballes agusgo...@gmail.com escribió: Estoy de acuerdo. El 13 de agosto de 2015, 12:35, Ing Angel Lago aml...@adinet.com.uy escribió: BQ_BEGIN Justamente fue donde empeze este tema. Porque Ejido de Treinta y Tres no existe.Nadie conoce ese nombre. Ni siquiera es un barrio,.simplemente esa zona es.ciudad de t y Tres. Despues me entere que pasaba en otros lados. En concreto entonces, les parece bien si fusiono ciudad de.T.y.Tres con esa zona designada Ejido de T y Tres, que en realidad es parte de la ciudad? Saludos El 13/08/2015 11:49, Gustavo Miraballes agusgo...@gmail.com escribió: BQ_BEGIN Sin duda que el intercambio de opiniones enriquece. Para asegurar que el usuario común pueda ubicar su zona, barrio o localidad por la forma en que la conoce, en nuestro grupo de trabajo hemos decidido no atarnos al nomenclator de Ine o Castro y contemplar la forma en que la gente le llama. saludos El 13 de agosto de 2015, 10:54, Ing Angel Lago aml...@adinet.com.uy escribió: BQ_BEGIN Sin ánimo de polemizar, el SGM no es el encargado oficial de determinar localidades. Todo lo relacionado con localidades realmente oficiales, o sea creadas por decretos o leyes, se asienta mediante planos de mensura registrados en Catastro, que es en definitiva el encargado del mantenimiento de la información. Por eso plantee en mensaje anterior lo de dejar claro de que hablamos cuando se dice localidad, o sea distinguir localidad catastral, de zona censal o de por ejemplo una zona habitada como puede ser Arrocera El Tigre, que es una empresa donde vive gente y el INE lo censa en forma independiente. De todas maneras, la idea era mejorar el mapa, para que fuera mas entendible por el usuario común y que bueno se de el intercambio de opiniones. Saludos El 13 de agosto de 2015, 9:55, Gustavo Miraballes agusgo...@gmail.com escribió: BQ_BEGIN Estimados, ni las localidades del Ine y ni las localidades catastrales son un reflejo de las localidades reales. Solo las localidades determinadas por el SGM son las oficiales. En todos los casos nos estaríamos quedando corto si queremos reflejar la realidad. Alguien va a participar del evento State of de Map LatAm 2015 a realizarse en Santiago de Chile, el mes que viene? slds, El 11 de agosto de 2015, 10:23, aml...@adinet.com.uy aml...@adinet.com.uy escribió: BQ_BEGIN Estimados: dado que tenemos algunos problemitas de definición de límites de localidades según las fuentes usadas del INE y de que Catastro esta publicando shp de todo el pais de las localidades actualizadas, planteo sería correcto usar estas nuevas fuentes como definición de localidades. Ej: ciudad de Treinta y Tres esta partida en dos segíun el INE, ciudad de Treinta y Tres y una localidad ficta llamada Ejido de Treinta y tres, (cosa que confunde a los usuarios) esta debe desaparecer y fusionar las dos areas, para que se adecue a la realidad. Algunas localidades estan en proceso de actualización en catastro y se me informó estarían a fin de año, no se si será cierto. Poniendo énfasis, en que Catastro es la autoridad en esta información y su mantenimiento y que ahora entró en una etapa de compartir datos, les dejo la inquietud y vemos que hacemos. saludos ___ Talk-uy mailing list Talk-uy@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-uy BQ_END BQ_END BQ_END BQ_END BQ_END ___ Talk-uy mailing list Talk-uy@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-uy ___ Talk-uy mailing list Talk-uy@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-uy
Re: [Talk-ca] IGO : premier logiciel libre de l'Administration publique québécoise en géomatique!
Bonjour à tous et à toutes, En ce 13 août, le ministère de la Sécurité publique du Québec (MSP) est heureux d’annoncer officiellement dans un communiqué ( http://www.newswire.ca/fr/news-releases/igo-le-tout-premier-logiciel-libre-de-ladministration-publique-quebecoise-en-geomatique-521785081.html) la mise en ligne d’IGO (Infrastructure géomatique ouverte : http://igouverte.org/), le premier logiciel gratuit en géomatique utilisant une licence libre en français produite par l'administration publique québécoise : http://igouverte.org/information/2015/08/13/Lancement%20de%20IGO/ L'espace de partage du code source a été déposé dans un des sites d'hébergement les plus répandus au monde, soit GitHub : https://github.com/infra-geo-ouverte/igo notamment pour faciliter les contributions externes. N'hésitez pas à communiquer avec l'équipe d'IGO pour plus d'information : info(a)igouverte.org ou à vous inscrire à la liste courriel publique : http://listes.securitepublique.gouv.qc.ca/sympa/info/igo-publique. Pour en savoir plus sur IGO ou contribuer à son développement, vous pouvez consulter son site Web: www.igouverte.org/contribuer/ Mentionnons finalement qu’IGO respecte les standards ouverts internationaux en géomatique et s'appuie sur des logiciels libres existants dans l'industrie. Merci de votre collaboration. Au plaisir, Nicolas Gignac ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [OSM-talk] New road style for Default Map style - pull requested is opened
On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 10:22 +0100, Lester Caine wrote: On 12/08/15 23:18, Andrew Hain wrote: We have a great opportunity for a spot of promotion. Publish a post on our blog announcing the new style and explaining the reasoning behind it. Don’t forget to remind people that there’s a wide variety of map styles out there that you can even write your own style. It is perhaps time to review the front page yet again to provide better links to some of the alternatives. This is a major WTF change which will affect a LOT of third party users of the current map. The changes to date have been bad enough, but I WAS hoping to have an alternative rendering engine working by now so I can switch my UK location maps to retain the main selling point for using OSM over Google ... the roads are the right colours ... but while I've got the planet file replicating and tilemill is running, getting the current style setup actually producing tiles still eludes me :( Lack of time is the problem, but a decent set of instructions to work with openstreetmap-carto and manage a branch off the current style would be helpful! Whilst the new style is better than google in that there is colour in the roads, google's and mappilarys mass of white roads make aligning yourself very difficult when browsing the map. One thing I do wonder is were was the discussion as to why we need a new style and if so what we would like to see. I do recall any mailing list discussion about something so fundamentally important to OSM. Phil (trigpoint) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-uy] Fwd: Definición de localidades
Sin duda que el animo es mejorar, si hay que cambiar criterios se cambian, lo que no me parece adecuado es apresurarse en cambiar el mapa antes de lograr un nuevo criterio general y no solo tratar el tema puntual de Treinta y Tres, pero si de todas formas lo queres cambiar, hacelo, porque hacia corregir esas falencias es donde hay apuntar con un nuevo criterio. Al final, ¿que autoridad determina las localidades?, ¿Catastro o SGM? ¿Que ley u otra reglamentacion le da dicha autoridad? Saludos, M. From: amlago aml...@adinet.com.uy To: talk-uy Talk-uy@openstreetmap.org Sent: Jueves, 13 de Agosto 2015 15:01:15 Subject: [Talk-uy] Fwd: Definición de localidades -- Mensaje reenviado -- De: Ing Angel Lago aml...@adinet.com.uy Fecha: 13 de agosto de 2015, 13:07 Asunto: Re: [Talk-uy] Definición de localidades Para: Gustavo Miraballes agusgo...@gmail.com Entendido. Seguimos.en contacto, Saludos El 13/08/2015 12:58, Gustavo Miraballes agusgo...@gmail.com escribió: Estoy de acuerdo. El 13 de agosto de 2015, 12:35, Ing Angel Lago aml...@adinet.com.uy escribió: BQ_BEGIN Justamente fue donde empeze este tema. Porque Ejido de Treinta y Tres no existe.Nadie conoce ese nombre. Ni siquiera es un barrio,.simplemente esa zona es.ciudad de t y Tres. Despues me entere que pasaba en otros lados. En concreto entonces, les parece bien si fusiono ciudad de.T.y.Tres con esa zona designada Ejido de T y Tres, que en realidad es parte de la ciudad? Saludos El 13/08/2015 11:49, Gustavo Miraballes agusgo...@gmail.com escribió: BQ_BEGIN Sin duda que el intercambio de opiniones enriquece. Para asegurar que el usuario común pueda ubicar su zona, barrio o localidad por la forma en que la conoce, en nuestro grupo de trabajo hemos decidido no atarnos al nomenclator de Ine o Castro y contemplar la forma en que la gente le llama. saludos El 13 de agosto de 2015, 10:54, Ing Angel Lago aml...@adinet.com.uy escribió: BQ_BEGIN Sin ánimo de polemizar, el SGM no es el encargado oficial de determinar localidades. Todo lo relacionado con localidades realmente oficiales, o sea creadas por decretos o leyes, se asienta mediante planos de mensura registrados en Catastro, que es en definitiva el encargado del mantenimiento de la información. Por eso plantee en mensaje anterior lo de dejar claro de que hablamos cuando se dice localidad, o sea distinguir localidad catastral, de zona censal o de por ejemplo una zona habitada como puede ser Arrocera El Tigre, que es una empresa donde vive gente y el INE lo censa en forma independiente. De todas maneras, la idea era mejorar el mapa, para que fuera mas entendible por el usuario común y que bueno se de el intercambio de opiniones. Saludos El 13 de agosto de 2015, 9:55, Gustavo Miraballes agusgo...@gmail.com escribió: BQ_BEGIN Estimados, ni las localidades del Ine y ni las localidades catastrales son un reflejo de las localidades reales. Solo las localidades determinadas por el SGM son las oficiales. En todos los casos nos estaríamos quedando corto si queremos reflejar la realidad. Alguien va a participar del evento State of de Map LatAm 2015 a realizarse en Santiago de Chile, el mes que viene? slds, El 11 de agosto de 2015, 10:23, aml...@adinet.com.uy aml...@adinet.com.uy escribió: BQ_BEGIN Estimados: dado que tenemos algunos problemitas de definición de límites de localidades según las fuentes usadas del INE y de que Catastro esta publicando shp de todo el pais de las localidades actualizadas, planteo sería correcto usar estas nuevas fuentes como definición de localidades. Ej: ciudad de Treinta y Tres esta partida en dos segíun el INE, ciudad de Treinta y Tres y una localidad ficta llamada Ejido de Treinta y tres, (cosa que confunde a los usuarios) esta debe desaparecer y fusionar las dos areas, para que se adecue a la realidad. Algunas localidades estan en proceso de actualización en catastro y se me informó estarían a fin de año, no se si será cierto. Poniendo énfasis, en que Catastro es la autoridad en esta información y su mantenimiento y que ahora entró en una etapa de compartir datos, les dejo la inquietud y vemos que hacemos. saludos ___ Talk-uy mailing list Talk-uy@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-uy BQ_END BQ_END BQ_END BQ_END BQ_END ___ Talk-uy mailing list Talk-uy@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-uy ___ Talk-uy mailing list Talk-uy@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-uy
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
Brad, How do I know if there is a razed railway there? That is, if I'm on the ground and there's a building, how do I know it's a razed railway? - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
On 13/08/2015 11:24 PM, Ruben Maes wrote: On Thursday 13 August 2015 15:10:14 Mateusz Konieczny wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 21:54:39 +1000 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: For example a demolished building .. may have a new building built on the same spot .. with the same outline. Leave the node data in OSM, change the tag building=yes to building=demolished (may not be rendered nor official OSM tagging) add a note as to who/why .. and then if rebuilt change the tag back to building=yes... with a source tag please. If the site has a different shaped building then the nodes will have to be changed, or the site gets used for something else .. then change it. But untill then leave the old data there. This is a bad idea. Maybe [note=this building is demolished] to protect against mapping from outdated aerial images may be OK. But expecting data consumers displaying buildings to filter out building=demolished, building=razed, building=proposed etc etc is a really bad idea. Or you use demolished:building=yes as I said an hour ago. This is clearer than a note IMO, allows to retain all tags of the demolished building for reference and caters for potential data consumers interested in demolished buildings. I like it Ruben. demolished: it is. Not just for use on buildings, but bridges, poles .. any structure that could be rebuilt to the same dimensions, especially any with foundations that could be reused. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-in] Map your waste
Slight change on the venue. This will be a decentralized mapping event happening at colleges in coordination with GNU/Linux User Groups. Updated the wiki page - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India/Events/Map_your_waste Comments and suggestions welcome. On Thursday 13 August 2015 08:13 PM, Yogesh योगि wrote: Its rainy season now in Bengaluru and we see clogs in sewage manholes in most of the roads in the city when it rains heavily. Volunteers of Free Software Movement Karnataka(FSMK) http://fsmk.org/ are organizing 'Map your waste' mapping event using OpenStreetMap and requesting the OSM community to join this mapping event. The idea is to survey the area in the vicinity/neighborhood for sewage manholes, sewage lines and public toilets using Fieldpapers https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Field_Papers and OSMtracker https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSMtracker/Keypad-Mapper_3 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Keypad-Mapper_3/Mapillary https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapillary in GPS-enabled android device. And then comeback to add the data to OSM using id https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Id/JOSM https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM editor. For adding the data, we'll be using manhole=sewer https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:manhole tag and manmade=pipeline with type=sewage https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpipeline tags to add sewage lines. Any suggestions on using tags are welcome. Currently there are no manhole http://taginfo.openstreetmap.in/keys/manhole#overview or sewage http://taginfo.openstreetmap.in/tags/man_made=pipeline#combinations objects mapped in India OSM(different tags used?) and looks like a unique mapping effort. :) More details here - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India/Events/Map_your_waste,_FSMK_Bengaluru -- Yogesh K S Sent from an Electronic Device ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- Yogesh K S Sent from an Electronic Device ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
[Talk-it] Istat e numeri romani
A quanto pare istat non li vorrebbe più..leggendo questo articolo di un noto quotidiano americano *City **council* *to* *change** database **but* *not** street **signs**.* Rome’s city council has backtracked after voting to phase out Roman numerals from the city’s street signs and documents. The plan, which caused controversy among Rome residents and politicians, followed a recommendation from national statistics agency Istat which said that Italy’s numerical system should be updated and standardised. The change would have meant that streets such as Via XX Settembre, Corso Vittorio Emanuele II and Via Pio V, for example, would receive new plaques reading “Via Venti Settembre”, “Corso Vittorio Emanuele Secondo” and “Via Pio Quinto”. The city backtracked on its plans, at least partially, after Italy’s culture minister Dario Franceshini said he hoped Rome would reconsider the move because: “Roman numerals are a part of our identity.” The measure will not now be introduced on new street plaques but the city’s database will adopt the system “for technical reasons.” ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-GB] UK/GB OpenStreetMap survey results
This looks to be quite a good list of objectives. I would suggest adding discussions with the existing local groups. How might they fit in should a national group be formed? What might a national group be able to provide in the way of support to local groups. I would hope that any national body would have some “weight” compared to individuals and the existing local groups in terms of engaging with “major organisations” , potential Corporate support and sponsors. I’m not sure I see the point of a national body if it isn’t able to facilitate this. I say “facilitate” because OSM seems to be very much about local and individual initiatives and I think it is important that this doesn’t change significantly if such a group is formed. When it comes to an “engagement initiative” this could in theory be the launch of a new UK rendering of OSM data but as suggested it is probably unrealistic, if an inclusive new rendering is to be developed, in the time scale. Personally the idea of a vector based system appeals as it seems you could render a “specialist” map with very little server resources. If my understanding is correct you would only need to “serve” the script to render the vector data which would come from a central server, so I’m hoping a £35/pa LAMP account might be all that you would need. Another possibility for an engagement imitative might be some sort of “state of the UK map” event. I doubt SOTM will be returning to the UK any time soon and it would seem appropriate for a national body to look at supporting this type of event. I guess developing some sort of “policy”/constitution under which it will operate will be a reasonable priority. Hopefully this can be based on another (national) organisation rather than starting from scratch. Regards Dudley Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 11:18:50 +0100 From: bpran...@gmail.com To: rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com CC: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] UK/GB OpenStreetMap survey results Seeing as the survey put technical stuff like a new render low on the priority list ( it got one of the lowest strongly agree scores) lets refocus on the community stuff that the survey indicated should be more of a priority. A new UK render should be a separate task and discussion in my opinion. Here's my tuppence worth on 100 days 100 members 10 Corporate members (if we decide that's what we want) 1 Flagship sponsor 1 Engagement Initiative launched with 1 new instance underway Website and social media in place Online shop with merchandise (e.g hiviz vests) 5 contacts identified in major organisations discussions underway with OSM data user organisations Committee/Board 2 meetings 1 online policy vote Sponsor pack in place Media Pack in Place 1 Press release 1 indepth piece of media coverage Regards Brian On 1 August 2015 at 12:53, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Thank you for taking the time to fill out the A UK OpenStreetMap group? survey. In the 3 weeks since the survey first opened we received a total of 101 responses. This is a great response rate and indicates that many people are interested in the prospect of such a group. So what do the results show? Please follow the link below for a break down of the results and some suggestions as to next steps for this group. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A8rKyKUW0X01n-JEMLwEUT4ktX-7WrxNP03YTkZs6lU/edit# I look forward to hearing your views on this. If possible please send replies to talk-gb@openstreetmap.org so that other members can view your comments (emails sent to this address are publicly visible). Best wishes, Rob ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
How do I know if there is a razed railway there? That is, if I'm on the ground and there's a building, how do I know it's a razed railway? - Serge Personally, I haven't used that tag much, I'm not that into railways. :) When I have, it's usually when I'm doing some remote mapping in the US, there's an imported railway from TIGER which I can see aligns with track remnants in two spots (often already tagged railway=abandoned), but in between there is new development which has totally removed the tracks and regraded the land for housing, highway, mall, etc. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] osmose: analyse croisement BANO/OSM à tester...
slt, je pense qu'il y a une amélioration a faire sur les route avec indice comme ici : http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#zoom=16lat=48.35267lon=1.30634item=7170 osm vs route500 D 129.3 vs D129.3 Le mercredi 05 août 2015 à 14:16 +0200, Christian Quest a écrit : Le 05/08/2015 11:33, Yves Pratter a écrit : Pour l'instant c'est en test uniquement sur le serveur dev d'osmose, il est préférable d'avoir vos retours avant de mettre ça sur l'instance de prod, donc c'est ici: http://dev.osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#item=7170class=33 (voies à tracer) Nickel pour les quelques cas que j’ai regardé : lotissement en construction ou rues bien visibles sur Bing :) http://dev.osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#item=7170class=32 (name à ajouter) Correct. La puce n’est pas exactement sur le tracé de la route… et surtout il y a des rues aux alentours sans noms et sans retour de la part d’Osmose : http://dev.osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#item=7170class=32zoom=17lat=46.940308lon=6.03245layer=Mapnik-osmfroverlays=FFFT Oui, l'analyse pêche par excès de prudence ;) Souvent quand un manque est signalé il y a du grain à moudre sur la zone... http://dev.osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#item=7170class=31 (name à modifier) Semble correct. Idem pour la puce http://dev.osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#item=7170class=30 (cas ambigus) Là c’est plus problématique. Il en sort pleins (peut-être celles qui manques pour « name à ajouter » ?) Beaucoup ? de faux positifs : http://dev.osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#item=7170class=30zoom=17lat=46.914597lon=6.30978layer=Mapnikoverlays=FFFT Ici une rue est correctement nommée, l’autre est à corriger (Rue du Tilleul à la place de Rue des Tilleuls ») Bien sûr la limite ce sont les noms récupérées par les scripts BANO sur le cadastre... si ils sont incorrects, osmose va proposer une correction qui n'a pas lieu d'être. L'analyse tient compte des signalements faits sur http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/fantoir/ Les voies où l'on a indiqué un problème sont éliminées de l'analyse. http://dev.osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#item=7170class=30zoom=16lat=46.9126lon=6.3407layer=Mapnikoverlays=FFFT Rue Branly proposé à la place de Rue Édouard Branly, idem pour Eiffel, Mermoz… Propose « Rue Edgard Fauré » avé l’assent ;-) … Pareil... à signaler sur http://cadastre.openstreetmap.fr/fantoir/ L'analyse pourrait aussi proposer l'ajout du ref:FR:FANTOIR plutôt que de juste proposer de changer le name=*. C'est un moyen d'indiquer que c'est la bonne voie (BANO pourra faire son rapprochement) même si le libellé ne correspond pas (et donc que c'est une erreur dans FANTOIR). Je vais voir pour ajouter ça dans les cas de noms divergents. -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-in] Mapping workshop at Kozhikode Collectorate on Aug 14
Kindly inform me if there is anyone in chennai who can help me to learn the concept of mapping using the tools provided by OSM mapbox s c shankar On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote: There is a OSM mapping workshop being organized by Gopinath from Blue Yonder with the help of Kozhikode district administration at the Collectorate tomorrow morning. The agenda is to train a volunteer mapping team of around 20 to be comfortable collecting data using various tools and mapping it on OpenStreetMap. I'll be in Kozhikode tomorrow whole day for this along with my team mate Pratik from Mapbox. For tomorrow we will map out the area around the Collectorate [1] in maximum detail using Mapillary and other mobile apps. This is part of a larger project to spread community mapping in Kerala. If there are any local mappers interested in attending and helping out, do get in touch with Gopi offthread asap. [1] https://mail.google.com/mail/u/1/#inbox?compose=14f259b9b7bdf6b9 -- Arun Ganesh (planemad) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Planemad http://j.mp/ArunGanesh ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in -- S.C. Shankar Mob: 9841016723 ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
Ian Dees writes: I appreciate that there are strong feelings about this topic, but we could certainly use more constructive language and have a civilized conversation. I would love to have a civilized conversation with civilized people who don't destroy other people's work. You're asking for constructive language about destruction, without any apparent irony. It's really just a small handful of people who think it's okay not just to delete things, but to counsel other people to delete things. I didn't see it, so I deleted it is a reason for a ban, not an excuse against being banned. Of course, the defining problem here is what are these things? Are they something that is obvious to everyone? Or are they something that you can barely see as a shadow on an aerial photo, a bit of vegetation in the wall between fields, or a small depression in a field, or cinders where there ought to be sandy loam? I will cheerfully acknowledge that I am expert at locating abandoned railbeds, and that my expert's eye can see things other people don't see. This isn't Wikipedia. We allow original research and expert testimony. So, is OSM to contain only the obvious that everyone can see? Or should it contain everything that can be seen? I'll leave the issue of railway=dismantled where I agree that there is nothing to be seen for hundreds of feet for another day. Clearly we are talking now about railway=abandoned that can be easily discerned on the ground and from aerial photos. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: It's really just a small handful of people who think it's okay not just to delete things, but to counsel other people to delete things. I didn't see it, so I deleted it is a reason for a ban, not an excuse against being banned. Russ, I doubt that you mean it this way, but if you set the bar too high, then you're essentially asking people to disprove a negative. Of course, the defining problem here is what are these things? Are they something that is obvious to everyone? Or are they something that you can barely see as a shadow on an aerial photo, a bit of vegetation in the wall between fields, or a small depression in a field, or cinders where there ought to be sandy loam? I will cheerfully acknowledge that I am expert at locating abandoned railbeds, and that my expert's eye can see things other people don't see. This isn't Wikipedia. We allow original research and expert testimony. We allow original research and expert testimony, but we also don't require it. So, is OSM to contain only the obvious that everyone can see? Or should it contain everything that can be seen? We have generally not required specialized knowledge or equipment for observations in the past and I don't think that we should change that going forward. I'll leave the issue of railway=dismantled where I agree that there is nothing to be seen for hundreds of feet for another day. Clearly we are talking now about railway=abandoned that can be easily discerned on the ground and from aerial photos. The issue of areal photos vs on the ground observation is an interesting one. Is there a way to observe these tracks on the ground other than in aggregate via areal imagery? If so, can you post photos of ground observable features and place those photos on the wiki page for the tag? - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
Serge Wroclawski writes: That is, if I'm on the ground and there's a building, how do I know it's a razed railway? Tracks buried in the asphalt are usually a good indication. You don't need to get out your tape measure to see if the cracks are 4' 8.5 apart. I don't have any pictures of the building, but it's in the description. https://www.flickr.com/photos/russnelson/286222501/in/album-72157603830566601/ Don't believe me? Here's the rails on the other side of the building: https://www.flickr.com/photos/russnelson/286222504/in/album-72157603830566601/ If that's not enough, the presence of buildings with loading doors are boxcar height and spacing ought to suggest that a railroad went past. Or how about a spur track? Had to connect to something, right? https://www.flickr.com/photos/russnelson/2154335831/in/album-72157603830566601/ -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
On 2015-08-14 05:09, Russ Nelson wrote: Ian Dees writes: I appreciate that there are strong feelings about this topic, but we could certainly use more constructive language and have a civilized conversation. I would love to have a civilized conversation with civilized people who don't destroy other people's work. You're asking for constructive language about destruction, without any apparent irony. It's really just a small handful of people who think it's okay not just to delete things, but to counsel other people to delete things. I didn't see it, so I deleted it is a reason for a ban, not an excuse against being banned. I beg your pardon? I read this as nothing can be deleted, since you say that deleting something you don't see (which usually means it's not there) is reason for a ban. I'm sure you don't mean it like that or that I'm reading it wrong. Please elaborate. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
Maarten Deen writes: I beg your pardon? I read this as nothing can be deleted, since you say that deleting something you don't see (which usually means it's not there) is reason for a ban. No, nobody is going to get banned for just one action. But if they consistently go around deleting things because *they* didn't see the thing, and are counselled that that is not how we do things, and persists in doing it (and advising others to do it), yeah, deleting things that can be seen is reason to ban somebody, just as is any other kind of damage to the map data. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads
On 2015-08-14 07:44, Russ Nelson wrote: Maarten Deen writes: I beg your pardon? I read this as nothing can be deleted, since you say that deleting something you don't see (which usually means it's not there) is reason for a ban. No, nobody is going to get banned for just one action. But if they consistently go around deleting things because *they* didn't see the thing, and are counselled that that is not how we do things, and persists in doing it (and advising others to do it), yeah, deleting things that can be seen is reason to ban somebody, just as is any other kind of damage to the map data. That last statement is something different than I didn't see it, so I deleted it So I'm still confused. Please confine the answer to the deletion of things that are not present. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-es] Mapeo de rutas de bus
Sergio, puedes consultar esta página de rutas de autobús en Madrid http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bus_routes_in_Madrid Incluso sería bueno que crearas una similar para llevar cuenta del proyecto y su avance de manera que otras personas puedan contribuir de forma coordinada. En las rutas que yo hago incluyó el recorrido y las paradas. Estas últimas las creo como platform y, a veces, les añado las etiquetas de bus_stop (por si algún programa usa las etiquetas antiguas). ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-it] Strada provinciale chiusa per frana
per me la tua proposta di spezzare la strada dov'è franata e cambiare il valore highway li in path avrebbe senso. Aggiungerei anche un tag note per spiegare cos'è successo +1 Il giorno 13 agosto 2015 16:04, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com ha scritto: sent from a phone Am 13.08.2015 um 15:42 schrieb solitone solit...@mail.com: On 13/08/15 11:53, Dario Crespi wrote: Credo che vada lasciata la way, indicando che l'accesso è consentito solo a pedoni e biciclette nel tratto in questione, mettendo access=no agli altri veicoli. E' che la strada lì è proprio franata, non c'è più, ce solo uno stretto passaggio per pedoni e bici. per me la tua proposta di spezzare la strada dov'è franata e cambiare il valore highway li in path avrebbe senso. Aggiungerei anche un tag note per spiegare cos'è successo ciao Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[OSM-talk-fr] Subject=Re: SeFaireConnaitre :(
Bonjour, Comme convenu avec Christian, nous avons lancé des développements sur les différents points que vous avez listés, pour améliorer la qualité de nos publications, et vous éviter les différents problèmes qu'elles ont pu causer. Nous allons désormais traiter les géolocalisation en amont, pour ne pas avoir à publier un POI et le déplacer ensuite. Dans la mesure du possible, les POI seront synchronisés avec la base BAN. Les doublons seront traités, en suppression ou en fusion. Il y a du passif concernant les publications que nous avons faites jusqu'ici, nous allons traiter ces différents POI pour les corriger. Vous trouverez ci dessous le message que nous avons transmis à Christian suite à son alerte, et evidemment nous serons plus attentifs à la liste de diffusion pour mieux traiter les anomalies. Nous sommes à l'écoute de vos retours et suggestions. bonne journée L'équipe SFC Bonjour Christian, je prends connaissance de votre mail, et de la liste de discussion, avec de nouveaux messages depuis le mois de mai. Des messages et des échanges qui ne sont pas satisfaisant, ni pour la communauté, et évidemment pas pour nous, c'est un euphémisme. Très clairement notre souhait n'est pas de nous appuyer sur la communauté pour faire notre travail, nous voulons être autonomes et corriger nos erreurs lorsque nous en faisons, quand à polluer les bases, n'en parlons même pas c'est à l'opposé de notre volonté. Je prends note d'un certain nombre de points, qui sont à traiter de notre côté car ils correspondent à la réalité de nos process : - nous utilisons une référence GPS et pas une référence adresse, à ce stade, nous ne faisons pas le rapprochement strict, mais a minima, nous vérifions manuellement la cohérence des données soit avec OSM, soit avec le cadastre, et positionnons le POI sur le batiment. je note la sortie de la base BAN qui devrait permettre le faire ce rapprochement automatique sur une partie des POI. - le fait que nous créions un POI, pour le corriger immédiatement est vrai, c'est actuellement notre process, nous allons donc le revoir, et nous créer des outils pour traiter cela en amont - la vérification des doublons est intégrée dans nos process, si des doublons sont créés ce sont des erreurs, et donc je vais faire en sorte que nous soyons plus attentifs sur ce point. Nous avons fait beaucoup de modifications suite à vos précédents retours sur nos process (novembre), pour prendre en compte les éléments que vous aviez remontés. Nous avons fait des repasses sur les points que nous avions créés pour améliorer la géolocalisation lorsqu'elle était mauvaise, cette repasse est toujours en cours étant donné le volume, à date nous avons 3000 POI, nous sommes repassés sur 1500, 500 restent à traiter, et nous avons 1000 POI qui n'ont pas été publiés. Le process auparavant automatique est désormais passé en semi-automatique, pour intégrer les vérifications, permettre une géolocalisation de meilleure qualité, et ne pas créer de doublons. Nous allons continuer à travailler dans ce sens et prendre en compte vos retours dans nos process. Par rapport aux retours de la mailing list je retiens les points suivants : - Des personnes remontent que la qualité de la géolocalisation est meilleure qu'auparavant, sans éluder les autres problèmes ou les anomalies restantes, je prends cela plutôt positivement car nous avons travaillé sur ce point. - Il y a un problème de process, que nous allons revoir, pour ne pas créer un point mal geolocalisé et le relocaliser ensuite, afin de vous éviter le bruit que cela génère. - les points ne sont pas croisés avec les bases d'adresses, nous allons travailler sur ce point, notamment avec BAN, pour les adresses qui ne seraient pas accessibles ou vérifiables via ces bases nous continuerons sur la géolocalisation GPS, et si nous ne pouvons pas localiser précisément alors nous ne publierons pas. - nous avons taggué les url de certains POI sur demande d'un de notre client qui voulait intégrer le tracking dans ses outils, nous ne le ferons plus Voila à date ce que je peux vous dire en termes d'action de notre côté. Effectivement nous n'avons pas été attentifs aux messages de la mailing list, nous allons faire en sorte de la surveiller plus attentivement pour être plus réactifs en cas de probleme, et en tout cas plus constructifs. Je vais faire en sorte de lancer le dev de ces outils de notre côté, sur BANO et sur les traitements amont de géolocalisation, en l'attente de ces outils je vais suspendre les nouvelles publications. Nous continuerons à traiter les 500 points sur lesquels nous ne sommes pas encore repassés. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-it] Strada provinciale chiusa per frana
E' che la strada lì è proprio franata, non c'è più, ce solo uno stretto passaggio per pedoni e bici. Ah, ok. pensavo fosse solo ostruita. Allora anche per me va bene la tua proposta. Il giorno 13 agosto 2015 16:04, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com ha scritto: sent from a phone Am 13.08.2015 um 15:42 schrieb solitone solit...@mail.com: On 13/08/15 11:53, Dario Crespi wrote: Credo che vada lasciata la way, indicando che l'accesso è consentito solo a pedoni e biciclette nel tratto in questione, mettendo access=no agli altri veicoli. E' che la strada lì è proprio franata, non c'è più, ce solo uno stretto passaggio per pedoni e bici. per me la tua proposta di spezzare la strada dov'è franata e cambiare il valore highway li in path avrebbe senso. Aggiungerei anche un tag note per spiegare cos'è successo ciao Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
