Re: [talk-ph] UN-SPIDER is using OSM data
I compared the road data from NAMRIA and OSM and Google MapMaker: http://www.flickr.com/photos/esambale/sets/72157624161537611/ On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: Oops, typo error You do? That's nice. -Original Message- From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com] Sent: 6/16/2010 10:24:49 AM To: mur...@mail2engineer.com Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] UN-SPIDER is using OSM data link should be: http://www.un-spider.org/story/gist-data-sets-philippines I now work for the UN? :) On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: http://www.un-spider.org/story/gist-data-sets-philippinest -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- . ___ Get the Free email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com Unlimited Email Storage – POP3 – Calendar – SMS – Translator – Much More! -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] UN-SPIDER is using OSM data
what about between OSM and MapMaker? would be interesting to see how they compare. maning sambale wrote: I compared the road data from NAMRIA and OSM and Google MapMaker: http://www.flickr.com/photos/esambale/sets/72157624161537611/ On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: Oops, typo error You do? That's nice. -Original Message- From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com] Sent: 6/16/2010 10:24:49 AM To: mur...@mail2engineer.com Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] UN-SPIDER is using OSM data link should be: http://www.un-spider.org/story/gist-data-sets-philippines I now work for the UN? :) On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: http://www.un-spider.org/story/gist-data-sets-philippinest -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- . ___ Get the Free email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com Unlimited Email Storage – POP3 – Calendar – SMS – Translator – Much More! ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] UN-SPIDER is using OSM data
On my list. :) On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Ronny Ager-Wick r...@develo.ltd.uk wrote: what about between OSM and MapMaker? would be interesting to see how they compare. maning sambale wrote: I compared the road data from NAMRIA and OSM and Google MapMaker: http://www.flickr.com/photos/esambale/sets/72157624161537611/ On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: Oops, typo error You do? That's nice. -Original Message- From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com] Sent: 6/16/2010 10:24:49 AM To: mur...@mail2engineer.com Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] UN-SPIDER is using OSM data link should be: http://www.un-spider.org/story/gist-data-sets-philippines I now work for the UN? :) On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: http://www.un-spider.org/story/gist-data-sets-philippinest -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- . ___ Get the Free email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com Unlimited Email Storage – POP3 – Calendar – SMS – Translator – Much More! ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] SLEx Star Toll link
Really its done? nice I just drove by here today on my way to batangas, too bad you couldnt drive down it, maybe perhaps if you had a motorcycle you could get past the barriers and zoom down it and back before anyone catches you :) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] UN-SPIDER is using OSM data
quarter grid road density comparison of osm and g's mapmaker. http://maker.geocommons.com/maps/17156 Interpretation later. For now, go figure. :) On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Ronny Ager-Wick r...@develo.ltd.uk wrote: what about between OSM and MapMaker? would be interesting to see how they compare. maning sambale wrote: I compared the road data from NAMRIA and OSM and Google MapMaker: http://www.flickr.com/photos/esambale/sets/72157624161537611/ On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: Oops, typo error You do? That's nice. -Original Message- From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com] Sent: 6/16/2010 10:24:49 AM To: mur...@mail2engineer.com Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] UN-SPIDER is using OSM data link should be: http://www.un-spider.org/story/gist-data-sets-philippines I now work for the UN? :) On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: http://www.un-spider.org/story/gist-data-sets-philippinest -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- . ___ Get the Free email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com Unlimited Email Storage – POP3 – Calendar – SMS – Translator – Much More! ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Wolfram|Alpha is using OSM data
Hi guys, As mentioned on the main OSM mailing list, Wolfram|Alpha (that cool computational-not-search engine) uses OSM data for showing overview maps of places on earth. Here's Manila: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=manila(scroll down a bit to see the map). You can even choose various scale (zoom) levels (though not using a slippy map method). Nice! ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[OSM-talk-be] This week in OSM mailing lists (June 9 - 16)
Hi all, Another week, another summary. Not a lot of interesting discussions in talk@ this week, but luckily we still have tagg...@... Greetings Ben * OSM in WolframAlpha WolframAlpha now displays an OSM map when you ask information of a city http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Brussels * Cable distribution cabinets (tagging@) Originally about the tag for small cabinets that distribute electricity to homes. Evolved in a new discussion about the power=* tags that don't mean in English what their tags suggest: a power station is power=generator, a power substation is power=station and then there's power=substation http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power=cable_distribution_cabinet * highway=motorway/motorroad implications (tagging@) Question on what these tags should imply (e.g. oneway=yes, bicycle=no...) Usual discussion that these tags mean different things in different countries. * Aerodrome classification (tagging@) Currently all airports, airfields and heliports are just tagged with aeroway=aerodrome and we can an extra tag to discern between international airports and small airstrips. But what should be the basis for this classification? Some want to use numbers like the amount of air movements, other want a more subjective approach. And then there's the question of which tag to use (aeroway=airstrip, aeroway=small, importance=3...) Discussion also over here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Airports#What_about_small_airstrips_that_shouldn.27t_be_given_the_same_prominence_on_the_map_as_major_airports.3F * Tagging proposals (tagging@) * Fitness trails (in Flanders known as Fit-o-meter) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route=fitness_trail ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Ben Welsh ben.we...@gmail.com wrote: Long story short: I'm curious whether our boundaries might have a home in the OSM database. I don't know a ton about the project, but I've always IMHO they might be useful, on the basis that they're not just any old informal boundaries, they have the credibility of a major newspaper behind them. On the other hand, if they really do just change arbitrarily, that's less valuable. OSM does need to think more carefully about what exactly is in and out of scope. Some people want everything if it's verifiable. Others want to draw limits. The exact same debate goes on constantly at Wikipedia, but is much more sophisticated. At the very least, the names would be useful in nominatim or whatever, to help find stuff. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] openstreetmap.org up
Thank you, Tom and anyone else involved in working on this. Much appreciated as always. And, to quote, Richard Weait, http://donate.openstreetmap.org/;. Mike At 06:44 PM 15/06/2010, Grant Slater wrote: OSM Talk, Website and API is now up and running again after earlier issues. Happy mapping. Thanks Grant OSM Sysadmin Team ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Outline of island does not change
Hi! More than one month ago I tracked a small harbor in Croatia (Lucina, Dugi Otok) and edited and uploaded the new map data using Josm. Nevertheless, if I look at the map using the OSM online viewer the new outline of the island is not rendered. It still shows the old imprecise one. What is the reason for that behavior? Best regards, Bernhard signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Search index not updated?
Hi! Several months ago I added some farms (place=farm) in my region. I also added names (name=... + place_name=...) as well as addresses using the addr:*= scheme. I also added roads with names. Nevertheless, if I try to find them by using the search bar of the OSM online viewer they do not show up. What am I doing wrong? Best regards, Bernhard signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Outline of island does not change
On 16 June 2010 07:48, Bernhard R. Fischer b...@abenteuerland.at wrote: More than one month ago I tracked a small harbor in Croatia (Lucina, Dugi Otok) and edited and uploaded the new map data using Josm. Nevertheless, if I look at the map using the OSM online viewer the new outline of the island is not rendered. It still shows the old imprecise one. What is the reason for that behavior? The coastline rendering is only updated infrequently (monthly or so, if I recall correctly) so you may need to wait just a little longer to see your changes on the Mapnik map. I think you should see the new outline if you switch the map style to the Tiles at Home map though. Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Search index not updated?
On 16 June 2010 08:15, Bernhard R. Fischer b...@abenteuerland.at wrote: Several months ago I added some farms (place=farm) in my region. I also added names (name=... + place_name=...) as well as addresses using the addr:*= scheme. I also added roads with names. Nevertheless, if I try to find them by using the search bar of the OSM online viewer they do not show up. What am I doing wrong? The Nominatim search index is dated back at the start of March[1] so it's nothing you've done wrong, just that the search index is running behind a little. Not sure what the status is there, but perhaps someone else has some more information about when it's expected to be updated next. [1] http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Search index not updated?
2010/6/16 Bernhard R. Fischer b...@abenteuerland.at: Hi! Several months ago I added some farms (place=farm) in my region. I also added names (name=... + place_name=...) as well as addresses using the addr:*= You might also want to look at place=isolated_dwelling (and probably a subtag for the farm like isolated_dwelling=farm, and or landuse=farmyard, or building=farm, ...) cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and r egional boundaries for L.A.?
A compromose would be to add the centre of each neighbourhood (as locality=place or similar) but not the exact boundaries. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?
On 16 June 2010 18:46, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: A compromose would be to add the centre of each neighbourhood (as locality=place or similar) but not the exact boundaries. That doesn't tell you what objects exist inside those boundaries... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?
2010/6/16 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: OSM does need to think more carefully about what exactly is in and out of scope. The scope is IMHO the worldmap drawn with the knowledge of locals, that's why I'd consider these informal neighbourhoods precious to our data, even more as they are not official boundaries so OSM could maybe become the main source for them. I'm actually against too much discussion about relevancy of things to be put into the db. It might be problematic to insert ephemeral stuff, especially if it does not get maintained, but besides this I'd personally like to see as much information as possible inserted. Things (e.g. those areas, alternative names, ...) that only the locals know of (but to them is commonly known), and that is not written in other publications or even on the ground I'd consider the most precious data to collect. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?
On 16/06/10 10:04, John Smith wrote: On 16 June 2010 18:46, Ed Avise...@waniasset.com wrote: A compromose would be to add the centre of each neighbourhood (as locality=place or similar) but not the exact boundaries. That doesn't tell you what objects exist inside those boundaries... Does that matter if the boundaries are essentially guesswork inventions anyway? It sounds like these aren't any sort of officially defined areas, but more the kind of fluid local names for approximate areas. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?
On 16 June 2010 19:17, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Does that matter if the boundaries are essentially guesswork inventions anyway? If we used that logic we would only ever map from very hi-res very high accurate aerial imagery then because anything less is mostly guess work... It sounds like these aren't any sort of officially defined areas, but more the kind of fluid local names for approximate areas. Actually it's worst than that, at least here, because when you are near a suburb border different databases can place you in different suburbs. I think most databases are generated from extrapolations, but the original boundaries would have been drawn up on paper, and some times they do shift but older suburbs tend to be pretty static. Also suburb boundaries here sometimes have signs up on major roads when you move between them. That said, suburbs are somewhat different in Australia to similarly named places in the US, there is more of them and they cover smaller areas. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Humanitarian Presets in French (assistance needed)
Hi Kate, A translation proposal is now in github, under a fork at : http://github.com/rodo/OpenStreetMap-Humanitarian-Tags/blob/master/humanitarian_presets_josm.xml I have assumed that, like the key=... content, the values=... was not to be translated, for interoperability (it was sometimes already in French). Please let me know if this assumption was wrong. Nice to be able to contribute to help Haiti remotely again. Jean-Guilhem ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?
We already had a discussion about something smaller than suburbs last year: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-September/041903.html But I don't know if you consider quarters or districts differently as neighborhoods. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Humanitarian Presets in French (assistance needed)
Hi Jean-Guilhem, That is correct about the key= and the values=. Thank you so much for your help! -Kate On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com wrote: Hi Kate, A translation proposal is now in github, under a fork at : http://github.com/rodo/OpenStreetMap-Humanitarian-Tags/blob/master/humanitarian_presets_josm.xml I have assumed that, like the key=... content, the values=... was not to be translated, for interoperability (it was sometimes already in French). Please let me know if this assumption was wrong. Nice to be able to contribute to help Haiti remotely again. Jean-Guilhem ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Search index not updated?
On Wednesday 16 June 2010 10:38:55 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/6/16 Bernhard R. Fischer b...@abenteuerland.at: Hi! Several months ago I added some farms (place=farm) in my region. I also added names (name=... + place_name=...) as well as addresses using the addr:*= You might also want to look at place=isolated_dwelling (and probably a subtag for the farm like isolated_dwelling=farm, and or landuse=farmyard, or building=farm, ...) Martin, Thanks FYI. It is really very difficult to orient yourself in this jungle of available tags and if they are already accepted or just proposed. I also tried to add some lights to the marine map but this is even more difficult. At least for me, it looks like if there are 5 different proposals for one and the same thing Best regards, Bernhard signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?
This sounds like a good compromise to me, as most people will have a general agreement of where a given neighborhood is located, but differ about where the boundaries are located. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 08:46:09 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and r egional boundaries for L.A.? A compromose would be to add the centre of each neighbourhood (as locality=place or similar) but not the exact boundaries. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?
At the risk of over complicating things, let me give a little more info. LA County is a fragmented place with many different cities and unincorporated areas puzzled together. Our neighborhoods are in fact three different types of areas consolidated. 1. Cities divided into neighborhoods. i.e. http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/city/los-angeles/ 2. Complete cities, drawn by their formal boundaries. i.e. http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/neighborhood/west-hollywood/ 3. Unincorporated areas that are Census Defined Places: http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/neighborhood/east-los-angeles/ On top of that, there are dozens of small unincorporated areas that are basically islands floating between everything else. We've lumped them in with a bordering neighborhood: http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/unincorporated/list/page/1/ Why did we throw all these together and call them neighborhoods? Because our goal is to have a single common denominator we can spread across the entire county and use for comparison. That's why we build them out of Census tracts, so we could rack up demographics about them all. i.e.: http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/income/median/neighborhood/list/ As time goes on, we plan to divide up all of the cities into smaller neighborhoods, not just Los Angeles, we did in a first round last year. In cases where cities have official hood boundaries (LA does not) we'll likely use those. More info about the project and process is here: http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/about/ On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 5:23 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: This sounds like a good compromise to me, as most people will have a general agreement of where a given neighborhood is located, but differ about where the boundaries are located. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 08:46:09 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and r egional boundaries for L.A.? A compromose would be to add the centre of each neighbourhood (as locality=place or similar) but not the exact boundaries. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- palewire.com work: 213-473-2624 cell: 213-254-5570 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Search index not updated?
There is a find command in Maperitive so you can work directly with the .osm data and tags and aren't restricted to the indexing. Cheerio John On 16 June 2010 08:17, Bernhard R. Fischer b...@abenteuerland.at wrote: On Wednesday 16 June 2010 10:38:55 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/6/16 Bernhard R. Fischer b...@abenteuerland.at: Hi! Several months ago I added some farms (place=farm) in my region. I also added names (name=... + place_name=...) as well as addresses using the addr:*= You might also want to look at place=isolated_dwelling (and probably a subtag for the farm like isolated_dwelling=farm, and or landuse=farmyard, or building=farm, ...) Martin, Thanks FYI. It is really very difficult to orient yourself in this jungle of available tags and if they are already accepted or just proposed. I also tried to add some lights to the marine map but this is even more difficult. At least for me, it looks like if there are 5 different proposals for one and the same thing Best regards, Bernhard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin Is the license attribution they are using OK? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Frank Sautter openstreet...@sautter.com wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin Cool. Is the license attribution they are using OK? Not according to the FAQ: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 05:47:05PM +0200, Frank Sautter wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin I can't see anything about OSM on that page!? What does it show you? Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Frank Sautter openstreet...@sautter.comwrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin Is the license attribution they are using OK? Down at the bottom of every W|A page they have a Source Information link. In there, under the Mapping data source information they show OpenStreetMap (CC-BY-SA). » http://www.openstreetmap.org/ with a link to OpenStreetMap.org. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regionalboundaries for L.A.?
Nashville, Tennessee, where I live, is much the same way. In the last sixty years, Nashville has gone from being a city perhaps three or four miles across to being a metro area perhaps twenty-five miles across, swallowing up numerous smaller communities and subdivisions in the process. Those areas that have retained some degree of local government have formal boundaries, but there are disagreements about where one unincorporated area shades into another. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:23:12 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.? On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Ben Welsh ben.we...@gmail.com wrote: At the risk of over complicating things, let me give a little more info. LA County is a fragmented place with many different cities and unincorporated areas puzzled together. Our neighborhoods are in fact three different types of areas consolidated. [ ... ] Dear Ben, It must have been great fun to participate in this project. I see that you and the Los Angeles Times understand the problems related to crowd sourcing neighborhood boundaries perfectly. See You gotta stop is somewhere http://www.latimes.com/includes/projects/img/thumb-westside-300x100.png Also this neighborhood map for Tarzana is wonderful. http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/comments/11501/ Your consultation with the community in Los Angeles (650 user-generated maps, 100 revisions) sounds like you have substantial interest and perhaps even consensus locally. I think that's wonderful. Presuming that the participation in your project is likely to reduce border disagreements, I think it would be a nice addition to OSM. I notice that you publish your data as cc-nc-sa. To include it in OSM you would have to agree to allow OSM to publish it as cc-by-sa and then ODbL after the license upgrade. Of course you would lose the explicit Los Angeles Times credit as well since OSM expects a simplified Maps and Data CCBYSA OpenStreetMap (and Contributors) And again, I think it is important to get feedback from others in the Los Angeles OSM community. Have a look over at talk-us. They might have something similar in the works. I'm sure you find the conjecture by all of us seagulls interesting but we all know that one active local mapper on the ground is better than a self-important expert from Toronto. ;-) Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
16.06.2010 17:47, Frank Sautter wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin That's great! It's a useful way to present OSM and it demonstrates growing popularity. If we want to reach a larger audience, we need to be present on search engines and the like - and as Google is unlikely to replace Google Maps with OSM anytime soon, so it's the smaller, more specialized services that might adopt OSM as their map link target first. It's somewhat discouraging, though, that *every time* anyone uses OSM, we instantly react with this: Is the license attribution they are using OK? Imo, it is. They name OSM as a data source directly below the image and let you access osm.org when you click on the image. They also give more detailled attribution (with the license abbreviation and another link to osm.org) on the Source information page. That's where all the other data sources are listed, too - considering the large number of sources, it's clearly resonable to have a separate page for sources. Technically, they don't provide the license URL directly (only indirectly through the link to OSM), but I don't consider that a relevant problem. Tobias Knerr ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Adding UK post box information
Ed Avis e...@... writes: For example the following row from ... gets turned into the following in OSM: node with lat=51.5729084, lon=-0.0116965, and tags: amenity=post_box ref=E10 18 postal_code=E10 5AH addr:street=Capworth Street I would suggest that you DON'T add these extra two pieces of information, for several reasons, based on the 400+ PB locations that I've surveyed over the last 18 months: 1. The Street name (indeed, streets plural) can be gleaned just by looking at the map. 2. When a road gets renamed (or remodeled), you've have to make sure all the postboxes dependent on that thoroughfare get renamed. 3. The RM file frequently refers to roads that are misspelled, don't exist, or are the non-obvious choice where several roads intersect at/near a PB. I've come across e.g. one called The Crescent even though the PB is nowhere near that road, but it is near *A* crescent, which is just called XXX road. 4. PBs are not always named after thoroughfares (sometimes PHs, shops, or colloquial names for an area, which would not be relevant on a modern map) Similarly, for Post Codes: 1. Not all boxen have full post codes. 2. Many postboxen have incorrect codes 3. Some have generic codes, such as xxx 1AA, which is usually the address of a PDO 4. Sometimes the postcode comes from a (not very) nearby building. It appears to me that adding these two extra tags postal_code and addr:street (and sometimes addr:housenumber) from the data file should be okay, but I wanted to check with this list. If these are felt to be a step too far then I will just add the lat,lon and ref. Yes, just please add the lat/long and ref fields. People don't really care about what the strict postcode or name is for a given PB; they just want to know where it is. If they've already found it on the map, there's nothing to be gained by saying that this box is called High Street. Adding the last collection times would be an idea, but then this would suffer from needing to be updated and might fall foul of copyright stuff. As I've said, I've collected data (and pictures) for some 400 PB in SGxx and ALxx. These were originally collected for postboxr, but that site has become unmaintained, and I'd rather upload them to a saner platform such as OSM. Should I be uploading them to OSM or to dracos's place, given the questions over the directionality ? What mechanism exists for people doing a mass upload, but only for a small part of the UK's boxen ? How would duplicates be managed ? What do people think ? Richard M Willis [in SG2] ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
2010/6/16 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Imo, it is. They name OSM as a data source directly below the image and let you access osm.org when you click on the image. They also give more detailled attribution (with the license abbreviation and another link to osm.org) on the Source information page. That's where all the other data sources are listed, too - considering the large number of sources, it's clearly resonable to have a separate page for sources. it might be OK or not, but generally we explain in our wiki how we like to be attributed in the web-context, that is supplying cc-by-sa linked to creative commons and Openstreetmap, not too difficult, is it? cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
It's somewhat discouraging, though, that *every time* anyone uses OSM, we instantly react with this: +1 It's really good to see OSM being used for something that isn't a pet project of someone in this community. It was great to go to WolframAlpha, type in my home town and see a map that I had contributed to. I thought the level of attribution was fine. More of this please! Jumping on users of the data with the usual how's the attribution? will ultimately do more harm than good. Joseph On 16 June 2010 17:29, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: 16.06.2010 17:47, Frank Sautter wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin That's great! It's a useful way to present OSM and it demonstrates growing popularity. If we want to reach a larger audience, we need to be present on search engines and the like - and as Google is unlikely to replace Google Maps with OSM anytime soon, so it's the smaller, more specialized services that might adopt OSM as their map link target first. It's somewhat discouraging, though, that *every time* anyone uses OSM, we instantly react with this: Is the license attribution they are using OK? Imo, it is. They name OSM as a data source directly below the image and let you access osm.org when you click on the image. They also give more detailled attribution (with the license abbreviation and another link to osm.org) on the Source information page. That's where all the other data sources are listed, too - considering the large number of sources, it's clearly resonable to have a separate page for sources. Technically, they don't provide the license URL directly (only indirectly through the link to OSM), but I don't consider that a relevant problem. Tobias Knerr ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?
I think it's a good idea but needs a good idea for the tagging with these different combinations and dividing. neighborhood names are common in other cities too and well known to locals. So it is valuable info for osm and should be rendered too. currently some are added as place nodes and also rendered as such. having them as an area is even better. sure there will be debates about exact boundary but over time either osm converges to the locally used ones or osm will tell people where they are and they may get used to follow osm On 16 Jun 2010, at 6:13 , Ben Welsh wrote: At the risk of over complicating things, let me give a little more info. LA County is a fragmented place with many different cities and unincorporated areas puzzled together. Our neighborhoods are in fact three different types of areas consolidated. 1. Cities divided into neighborhoods. i.e. http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/city/los-angeles/ 2. Complete cities, drawn by their formal boundaries. i.e. http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/neighborhood/west-hollywood/ 3. Unincorporated areas that are Census Defined Places: http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/neighborhood/east-los-angeles/ On top of that, there are dozens of small unincorporated areas that are basically islands floating between everything else. We've lumped them in with a bordering neighborhood: http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/unincorporated/list/page/1/ Why did we throw all these together and call them neighborhoods? Because our goal is to have a single common denominator we can spread across the entire county and use for comparison. That's why we build them out of Census tracts, so we could rack up demographics about them all. i.e.: http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/income/median/neighborhood/list/ As time goes on, we plan to divide up all of the cities into smaller neighborhoods, not just Los Angeles, we did in a first round last year. In cases where cities have official hood boundaries (LA does not) we'll likely use those. More info about the project and process is here: http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/neighborhoods/about/ On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 5:23 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: This sounds like a good compromise to me, as most people will have a general agreement of where a given neighborhood is located, but differ about where the boundaries are located. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 08:46:09 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and r egional boundaries for L.A.? A compromose would be to add the centre of each neighbourhood (as locality=place or similar) but not the exact boundaries. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- palewire.com work: 213-473-2624 cell: 213-254-5570 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Calling all bulk importers
Hi, If you have been involved in bulk import of data from third-parties, may I ask you to check that this is on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Cataloguehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue . Why? Now we have final versions of everything, the License Working Group is checking compatibility with the proposed change to the Open Database License. We are aware that in some cases the donor's permission will need to asked. We like to leave you as much time as possible to do that and to be prepared to assist you if needed. There is a new support page here. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Bulk_Import_Support_Page Mike License Working Group ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
Hi, Frank Sautter wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin Interesting, they seem to have their own rendering as well. A little yesterday perhaps with no slippy map and zooming via a dropdown but surely a good start. Should like to find out how current they are (they say based on current OpenStreetMap data). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
Am Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2010, um 18:41:36 schrieb Joseph Reeves: It's somewhat discouraging, though, that *every time* anyone uses OSM, we instantly react with this: +1 It's really good to see OSM being used for something that isn't a pet project of someone in this community. It was great to go to WolframAlpha, type in my home town and see a map that I had contributed to. I thought the level of attribution was fine. More of this please! Jumping on users of the data with the usual how's the attribution? will ultimately do more harm than good. +1 from me The attribution is given just not to visible. Still fine for me I like the map beeing used not hidden because everyone fears the licence Joerg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
On Wednesday 16 June 2010 18:00:11 Ian Dees wrote: Down at the bottom of every W|A page they have a Source Information link. In there, under the Mapping data source information they show OpenStreetMap (CC-BY-SA). » http://www.openstreetmap.org/ with a link to OpenStreetMap.org. Yeah. And that looks fine to me. We get the same attribution as anyone else WA is using. -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Aviso: Este e-mail es confidencial y no debería ser usado por nadie que no sea el destinatario original. No se permite la reproducción mediante fotocopia, walkie-talkie, emisora de radioaficionado, satélite, televisión por cable, proyector, señales de humo, código morse, braille, lenguaje de signos, taquigrafía o cualquier otro medio. Bajo ningún concepto debe traducirse al francés este e-mail. Este e-mail no puede ser ridiculizado, parodiado, juzgado en una competición, o leído en voz alta con un acento gracioso llevando un bigote falso y/o cualquier tipo de sombrero, incluyendo pero no limitándose a pañuelos. No inciten ni provoquen a este e-mail. Si está medicándose, puede experimentar nauseas, desorientación, histeria, vómitos, pérdida temporal de la memoria a corto plazo y malestar general al leer este e-mail. Consulte a su médico o farmacéutico antes de leer este e-mail. Todas las modelos descritas en este e-mail son mayores de 18 años. Este e-mail se reserva el derecho de admisión. Si ha recibido este e-mail por error es probablemente porque estaba borracho cuando escribí la dirección del destinatario. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Frank Sautter openstreet...@sautter.com wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin Cool. Is the license attribution they are using OK? Not according to the FAQ: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F I didn't see the attribution on the bottom. Seems a little strange to do half attribution but as long as it's there, great. - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Frank Sautter openstreet...@sautter.com wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin Nice catch. That's super. Is the license attribution they are using OK? It looks good to me. Different from what we recommend for what is predominantly a map, but their page is not predominantly a map. ccbysa allows appropriate attribution with similar prominence: Such credit may be implemented in any reasonable manner; provided, however, that in the case of a Derivative Work or Collective Work, at a minimum such credit will appear where any other comparable authorship credit appears and in a manner at least as prominent as such other comparable authorship credit. I'm thrilled to see OSM on Wolfram Alpha. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
On 17 June 2010 03:47, Frank Sautter openstreet...@sautter.com wrote: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Berlin Is the license attribution they are using OK? I think it depends on whether you can seperate the map that Wolfram|Alpha have created from the rest of their content. If the map is seen as separate from the rest of the page, then I think it's probably fine. However, I think that it's a stretch to say that the single map component is seperate from the rest of the result. The whole thing creates a single creative work. Therefore, I think that every result that uses an OSM map should be licenced under CC-BY-SA or similar: *Share Alike* — If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the same or similar license to this one [1] However, from the sounds of this discussion, the OSM community seems to really be caring about the attribution requirement. If so, I think the group should reduce its licencing requirements to CC-BY. This would reflect the intention of what people are after in practice. -Tim [1] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
Tim, Tim McNamara wrote: The whole thing creates a single creative work. The term single creative work is not used in the CC license text. Displaying OSM content and other content side-by-side does not form a work derived from OpenStreetMap according to community consensus. You need to do more than just display them side by side if you wanted to trigger the share-alike clause. (Compare: Just because a music CD contains one track licensed CC-BY-SA, this doesn't mean the whole CD has to be, even if the CC-BY-SA licensed track has been selected to match the theme. The whole has not been built upon the part.) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
On 17 June 2010 10:00, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Tim McNamara wrote: The whole thing creates a single creative work. The term single creative work is not used in the CC license text. Displaying OSM content and other content side-by-side does not form a work derived from OpenStreetMap according to community consensus. Sorry if I've neglected to look into this issue in more detail. May I ask, which community consensus are you referring to? OSM or CC? My understanding was the intention behind a share-alike clause is to compel people using the work to release their works under similar licences. If the OSM community doesn't really care about forcing licencing on others, then I actually think we have reached the same conclusion. See my notes in the last paragraph. You need to do more than just display them side by side if you wanted to trigger the share-alike clause. (Compare: Just because a music CD contains one track licensed CC-BY-SA, this doesn't mean the whole CD has to be, even if the CC-BY-SA licensed track has been selected to match the theme. The whole has not been built upon the part.) I don't think this is the correct analogy to draw. I feel that a result of a search query is more like a single track on a CD. Elements within the result query (or the track) can be divided further, but the whole result/track is a single work. If you include another artist's work inside that track, I assume that would trigger the share-alike clause. The real thrust of my argument was that if widespread adoption of OSM attributation is the goal of the community, then OSM should reduce its licencing requirements. Shifting to CC-BY would align more strongly with the comments I've seen in this thread. Tim ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
On 16 June 2010 23:09, Tim McNamara paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz wrote: Sorry if I've neglected to look into this issue in more detail. May I ask, which community consensus are you referring to? OSM or CC? My understanding was the intention behind a share-alike clause is to compel people using the work to release their works under similar licences. If the OSM community doesn't really care about forcing licencing on others, then I actually think we have reached the same conclusion. See my notes in the last paragraph. I am interested in our map data, so that we can make great maps, great routing apps, [insert other great things here] So if they improve our _map data_, I want the improvements to be able to be fed back into our map data. Things beyond the map data I am not interested in. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data
On Thursday 17 June 2010 00:41:43 Grant Slater wrote: Things beyond the map data I am not interested in. Aw, c'mon. You ARE interested in beer and map cakes. :-P -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?
Hi Ben, I'm just wondering: are the suggestions/improvements by your readers based on anything else than Google Maps?[1] Regards, Thomas [1] e.g. http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/debates/westside/#comment-form ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?
Apollinaris, our boundaries have a classification system we roughed out. How well they would mesh with OSM is something I'd love to hear a critique on. Simplifying things a bit, the taxonomy of our database is two tiers: Neighborhoods and Regions. Neighborhoods come in three types: 1, parts of a city; 2, complete cities; 3, unincorporated areas. And each neighborhood (i.e. Santa Monica) belongs to a larger region (i.e. The Westside). The regions are, by design, untied from any municipal boundaries, since the general sense in LA is that many of the commonly understood regions are broken up into several cities. A great example is the San Fernando Valley, which has a small island in the middle, namely the city of San Fernando. The strangeness of the municipal boundaries is actually one of the main reasons we wanted to do this. * * Thomas, if I understand you right, you are asking about the mapping tiles, correct? All of our mapping tiles are drawn from Google. Though we're using OpenLayers, rather than the Google API, most of the time to pull them in. In the future, I would love to make custom tiles with Mapnik and Cascadenik, but I haven't found the time. Burning our hood boundaries into the map is almost too much fun to pass up. On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Thomas Ineichen osm.mailingl...@t-i.chwrote: Hi Ben, I'm just wondering: are the suggestions/improvements by your readers based on anything else than Google Maps?[1] Regards, Thomas [1] e.g. http://projects.latimes.com/mapping-la/debates/westside/#comment-form ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- palewire.com work: 213-473-2624 cell: 213-254-5570 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Q: Is OSM interested in neighborhood and regional boundaries for L.A.?
On 17 June 2010 14:38, Ben Welsh ben.we...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas, if I understand you right, you are asking about the mapping tiles, correct? All of our mapping tiles are drawn from Google. Though we're using OpenLayers, rather than the Google API, most of the time to pull them in. In the future, I would love to make custom tiles with Mapnik and Cascadenik, but I haven't found the time. Burning our hood boundaries into the map is almost too much fun to pass up. His concern is with the ambiguity of Google TCs about deriving things from their map, however Ed Parsons clarified this a little bit when he stated you could publicly distribute your favourite hiking trail and so on, but not vectorise every street, it seems to me boundaries wouldn't really be the same as vectorising every street. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
On 16 June 2010 16:30, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I think Peter Ross is correct in that orienteering is the sport with the closest mapping needs to bushwalking. The orienteering information Peter posted seem to have a lot of features specific to that sport... As for the rest of the POIs etc you pointed out that seems pretty straight forward, I found this hiking style sheet: http://beta.letuffe.org/mapnik-styles/hiking_without_contours.xml Although it doesn't have the images referenced so I'll need to find some replacements. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Playing with transparent layers
While playing round with mapnik style sheets I came across a noname style sheet which makes a red line for the way: http://beta.letuffe.org/mapnik-styles/noname.xml I extended it a little by making it render up to z7, and it also ignores unnamed roundabouts: http://maps.bigtincan.com/?z=7ll=-27.496,152.998layer=BT It's not surprising that the areas with the most unnamed streets also have the most aerial imagery available. The reason I played with this style sheet was due to people complaining about the time it takes CloudMade to refresh their nonamed tiles, I have the server setup to be z0-z8 expire once a week, z9-z12 expire in 2 days and z13-z18 expire in 4 hours. I was expiring tiles in real time but the application to handle that runs on a single core so the server ended up getting behind well behind in updates at times, I would have thought a lot more of the tile stuff would have been multi-process or at least multi-threaded. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Playing with transparent layers
I forgot to mention, the author of the style sheet uses the following tags to hide streets with no names, or at least no sign posts: tag k='validate:no_name' v='no_sign'/ tag k='validate:no_name' v='yes'/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Proposal to update weather monitoring_stations using BoM data.
On 16 June 2010 21:56, {Tim} m526244+osm...@gmail.com wrote:
In the absence of any objection I intend proceeding with this scheme on
the coming Monday (21st June, 2010).
Can you please update a couple of stations and paste links showing
what you plan to do?
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Re: [talk-au] Proposal to update weather monitoring_stations using BoM data.
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, John Smith wrote:
On 16 June 2010 21:56, {Tim} m526244+osm...@gmail.com wrote:
In the absence of any objection I intend proceeding with this scheme on
the coming Monday (21st June, 2010).
Can you please update a couple of stations and paste links showing
what you plan to do?
specific request to check hillston airport
Station Details ID: 075032 Name: HILLSTON AIRPORT
and hay airport
Station Details ID: 075019 Name: HAY AIRPORT AWS
as i have found those ones and moved them already
the numbers on the BoM web site are to 2 decimal places only so way out
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Re: [talk-au] Proposal to update weather monitoring_stations using BoM data.
On 16 June 2010 22:24, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: specific request to check hillston airport Station Details ID: 075032 Name: HILLSTON AIRPORT and hay airport Station Details ID: 075019 Name: HAY AIRPORT AWS as i have found those ones and moved them already the numbers on the BoM web site are to 2 decimal places only so way out The CSV file we found on the BOM site has 4dp which if accurately measured would be within 10m... Site Dist Site_name Start End Lat Long SourceSta Height (m) Bar_htWMO AWS_start AWS_end 075019 75HAY AIRPORT AWS 2007 .. -34.5412 144.8345 GPSNSW 92.0 92.5 94702 2007.. 075032 75HILLSTON AIRPORT1881 .. -33.4915 145.5249 GPSNSW 122.0120.2 94700 .... AWS = Automated Weather Station (electronic) WMO = World Meteorological Organization ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Calling all bulk importers
Important information for folks who have imported data. -- Forwarded message -- From: Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz Date: Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:21 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Calling all bulk importers To: t...@openstreetmap.org Hi, If you have been involved in bulk import of data from third-parties, may I ask you to check that this is on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue . Why? Now we have final versions of everything, the License Working Group is checking compatibility with the proposed change to the Open Database License. We are aware that in some cases the donor's permission will need to asked. We like to leave you as much time as possible to do that and to be prepared to assist you if needed. There is a new support page here. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Bulk_Import_Support_Page Mike License Working Group ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] State of the Map 2010 - Girona Spain
Hello Australian list, Are any of you planning to attend SotM 2010? Because you should. Book your ticket to SotM now. http://stateofthemap.org/register-now/ If you are considering attending SotM but don't know if it will be worthwhile, I say this. Yes, it will be worthwhile. There is no better way to meet three hundred other OpenStreetMap contributors. There is no better way to spend a weekend, or longer with folks as enthusiastic about OSM as you are. There is no better way to meet and mingle with so many of the founders, early adopters, developers and contributors at one time. I guarantee that you will learn something in casual conversation, over a beverage, that will guide your mapping and inspire you for the next year. Now I can't predict what you will learn or by whom you will be inspired but it will happen. It always happens. The upcoming State of the Map conference, 2010 edition is going to be loaded with great presentations, awesome workshops and more Mappy Goodness than you can shake a stick at. But it will also be a lot of fun. Some of the fun will be the ad-hoc enjoyment of a thoughtful cartography conversation among peers. Some of the fun will be learning about and enjoying the culture and hospitality of our hosts in Girona, Spain. And some of the fun will be singing songs about maps at the top of our lungs. I know that you have been waiting to see the schedule for State of the Map 2010. And now I know that you will love it. The SotM team has done a spectacular job of soliciting and acquiring a great line-up of speakers and topics. You will want to buy your ticket and book your trip now. http://stateofthemap.org/register-now/ Day One: Business and Workshop Day Friday http://stateofthemap.org/schedules/friday/ Day Two: Community, Tech, Quality and Scholarship Tracks Saturday http://stateofthemap.org/schedules/saturday/ Day Three: Tools, Imports, Humanitarian and Cartography Tracks Sunday http://stateofthemap.org/schedules/sunday One sign of an excellent conference program is having too many hard choices between concurrent sessions. This schedule passes that test. This is a conference not to be missed. The SotM 2010 organizing committee sends us the following contest challenge: Do you remember the 2008 Limerick Limerick contest? And the 2009 Amsterdam Haikus? Then you should be asking yourself What kind of poetry will we have to master this SotM10?. Unfortunately for you, this year there won't be a poetry contest. This time we'll be doing something different. As the State of the Map 2010 venue is actually a concert hall, we'll host the first official OpenStreetMap Concert Contest. The rules are simple: * Make a song, or change the lyrics of an existing song. The song must be about OSM, maps, GPS, GIS software, or cartography. * You may assemble a band to play the song together (or play solo). * You may use the concert hall A/V facilities (amplifiers, audio inputs, video playback, etc). Please do talk with the SotM10 organising committee if you plan to. * You will be required to play the song during SotM10. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Generating good looking PDF/SVG maps?
Hi. Does anyone have any pointers for generating high quality PDF or SVG maps (suitable for printing)? I have a couple of use cases in mind: * My other half would love a large (e.g. A0 size) printed street map. I have found places that can print that size from PDF, but I'm not sure how to generate the file. * It would be handy to be able to make a printed map for the BUG (Bicycle User's Group) I'm in (and presumably others). A straight OSM-PDF process would work in some situations (like what mapsomatic does, but with the cycle map rendering rules). For others SVG would be better (so the resulting map can be enhanced). My current thinking is that Mapnik would be the best tool for this. Does anyone know of some step-by-step instructions that would help with this? - Ben. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
I'm a bushwalker and I'm attempting to map the Blue Mountains, including roads, tracks, cliffs and watercourses. A key reason is that I'd like to be able to use OSM to auto-generate maps for my website, which I currently have to create by hand eg http://ozultimate.com/bushwalking/walk/239/bob_turners_track01.pdf My maps also don't have contours, which I would like. Most bushwalkers use and are used to normal contour maps such as those produced by the NSW Dept of Lands. I'd suggest keeping a style sheet similar to them. I have maps for other states and they are similar, though each has its variations. For examples, have a look at http://imagery.maps.nsw.gov.au/ Zoom in and select Topographic maps (Current series) under Display images Other than contours, the key things bushwalkers want to see for navigation are: - tracks - render as dashed black line - width/length of of dash dependent on difficulty/visibility - current mapnik rendering is ok for normal tracks, perhaps should be a little longer - fire trails with car=no as longer thick black dash - fire trails with car=yes as red dash - ideally there needs to be more granularity of track difficulty - track_visibility=* is probably useful - sac_scale=* is less useful as it is too specific to alpine areas - however, something indicating difficulty/exposure would be useful - harder tracks would have shorter/thinner black dash - cliffs - render as solid red line with ticks on the cliff side - watercourses - render as solid blue or dashed blue line depending on width eg - river - wide solid blue - stream - thin solid blue - intermittent stream - thin dashed blue - main deficiency in tagging is the need for an intermittent watercourse tag eg waterway=stream_non_perennial or intermittent=yes - waterfalls - render as thin blue line across watercourse - above features should all have names render - other topographic features like peaks, passes, ranges, ridges, spurs, valleys - should have names render but probably no other marker - some of those (eg ridges, spurs) don't seem to have any method in OSM (proposed or otherwise) for tagging at the moment cheers t...@ozultimate.com Canyoning? try http://ozultimate.com/canyoning Bushwalking? try http://ozultimate.com/bushwalking On 15/06/2010 7:57 PM, John Smith wrote: Some of us were discussing making a custom hiking map styles on IRC earlier so we can print out such maps or use them in presentations to show bush walkers the potential of what they can get back out of OSM. I don't think any of us has had much to do with hiking maps, so is anyone on this list an experienced hiker that could help us come up with a suitable hiking map style sheet? I've also been playing with contour lines on OSM map tiles, but I think instead of cluttering up the common mapnik rendering this would be better in a hiking style. http://maps.bigtincan.com/?z=14ll=-27.097,152.532layer=B00TT ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Residential landuse
I'm doing some work on the outskirts of Brisbane, where the properties start to get bigger, doing some clean up. And I got to wondering about residential landuse. At one end of the scale, you have inner city housing (350-1000 sq m lots), and there's no question they are residential. At the other, there's huge farms with a house - they're not. But what's the dividing line? How big an acreage do you get to before you decide that landuse=residential doesn't really apply any more? What's the consensus? I know of a whole area of houses with 5 acre lots, and they don't do any farming - you just have a big house with a lot of lawn. Is this residential? Further out, I know of an area where the lots are more like 20-30 acres - they're not all lawn, but they're not used for farming or anything either. A couple of them have a pony for the kids, but that doesn't make it a farm. These are used only as residences, but I to me I think we're getting way past the limit of size for marking them as residential landuse. Or am I wrong? Any guidelines or suggestions? Stephen ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:57 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Some of us were discussing making a custom hiking map styles on IRC earlier so we can print out such maps or use them in presentations to show bush walkers the potential of what they can get back out of OSM. In case you need some more examples/inspiration, see e.g.: http://www.derm.qld.gov.au/register/p02885aa.pdf I personally think it'd be good to create a style that is similar to those already established and in common use. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse
Stephen, I am facing the same issue in Bendigo. I have been considering suggesting a landuse=rural_residential tag. AS you state, these blocks are too small for farming and are therefore still residential. In general, these sort of areas are on the periphery of townships and are a transition into traditional farming areas. According to the Local Government Act 1993 (NSW) ( http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/lga1993182/sch99.html) *rural residential land means land that: * *(a) is the site of a dwelling, and * *(b) is not less than 2 hectares and not more than 40 hectares in area, and * *(c) is either: * *(i) not zoned or otherwise designated for use under an environmental planning instrument, or * *(ii) zoned or otherwise designated for use under such an instrument for non-urban purposes, and * *(d) does not have a significant and substantial commercial purpose or character. * As per the definition above it really comes down to a zoning issue. So if you can find a map that shows the planning zones (such as Planning Maps Online in Victoria http://www.dse.vic.gov.au/mapshare/) then it will provide a rough guide as to what land use it may be. This also relates to a thread that I bought up some time ago questioning the current interpretation of landuse in the OSM context. Land use is often used as the proxy for all of the following, however they are distinct. - land use - farming, horticulture etc - land cover - trees, bare ground, water etc - land management - National Park, State Park etc - land tenure (or ownership) I am not going to get on a high horse over the above definitions, but so long as we as mappers understand that landuse=* often overlaps the above definitions. Craig I'm doing some work on the outskirts of Brisbane, where the properties start to get bigger, doing some clean up. And I got to wondering about residential landuse. At one end of the scale, you have inner city housing (350-1000 sq m lots), and there's no question they are residential. At the other, there's huge farms with a house - they're not. But what's the dividing line? How big an acreage do you get to before you decide that landuse=residential doesn't really apply any more? What's the consensus? I know of a whole area of houses with 5 acre lots, and they don't do any farming - you just have a big house with a lot of lawn. Is this residential? Further out, I know of an area where the lots are more like 20-30 acres - they're not all lawn, but they're not used for farming or anything either. A couple of them have a pony for the kids, but that doesn't make it a farm. These are used only as residences, but I to me I think we're getting way past the limit of size for marking them as residential landuse. Or am I wrong? Any guidelines or suggestions? Stephen ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse
On 17 June 2010 10:39, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I am facing the same issue in Bendigo. I have been considering suggesting a landuse=rural_residential tag. AS you state, these blocks are too small for Aren't they commonly known as hobby farms if you have a few animals for tax purposes? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
On 17 June 2010 07:17, Tom Brennan webs...@ozultimate.com wrote: Other than contours, the key things bushwalkers want to see for Do you have any suggestions on how contours should be marked? eg every 10m elevation, or 5 or 50 or ... ? navigation are: - tracks - render as dashed black line Can you put this in OSM terms? - ideally there needs to be more granularity of track difficulty - track_visibility=* is probably useful - sac_scale=* is less useful as it is too specific to alpine areas - however, something indicating difficulty/exposure would be useful This came up on IRC the other day, there the suggestion with sac scale was it should be limited to things SAC has actually evaluated, and there is no equivalent body in Australia so there probably needs a new/different tag for difficulty ratings in Australia difficulty:au=* ? - intermittent stream - thin dashed blue - main deficiency in tagging is the need for an intermittent watercourse tag eg waterway=stream_non_perennial or intermittent=yes I don't think we have a tag for this at present, out of those 2 choices intermittent=yes is shorter, although we probably should with all the dry creek beds out there most of the time. In any case what ever is decided needs to be documented. - other topographic features like peaks, passes, ranges, ridges, spurs, valleys - should have names render but probably no other marker - some of those (eg ridges, spurs) don't seem to have any method in OSM (proposed or otherwise) for tagging at the moment Peaks usually get the elevation printed, any thoughts on how to tag the rest? A lot of these might fit under the natural=* section... natural=cliff etc... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse
I am sure they are called numerous things, what is the most appropriate/most commonly recognised term in the Australian context? A farm is an area of land that you derive the majority of your income from. Given the drought of the last decade it could be argued that there are many more hobby farms across the southern states. Personally I don't like the term, but if it is a majority consensus then I will fall into line :) On 17 June 2010 11:07, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2010 10:39, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I am facing the same issue in Bendigo. I have been considering suggesting a landuse=rural_residential tag. AS you state, these blocks are too small for Aren't they commonly known as hobby farms if you have a few animals for tax purposes? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse
On 17 June 2010 11:33, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: A farm is an area of land that you derive the majority of your income from. Given the drought of the last decade it could be argued that there are many more hobby farms across the southern states. Personally I don't like the term, but if it is a majority consensus then I will fall into line :) They're called hobby farms in the tax code I think, a search of ato.gov.au brought up quite a few references to the term. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse
are we mapping for tax purposes? what is it referred to in the local government act (or planning act) of your particular state. not all of these properties will be classified as a hobby farm ie I may have 40 hectares but only grow a few weeds. On 17 June 2010 11:37, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2010 11:33, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: A farm is an area of land that you derive the majority of your income from. Given the drought of the last decade it could be argued that there are many more hobby farms across the southern states. Personally I don't like the term, but if it is a majority consensus then I will fall into line :) They're called hobby farms in the tax code I think, a search of ato.gov.au brought up quite a few references to the term. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse
On 17 June 2010 11:40, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: are we mapping for tax purposes? We map what ever is verifiable, a tax purpose might be verifiable :D what is it referred to in the local government act (or planning act) of your particular state. No idea, I've always known them to be called hobby farms. not all of these properties will be classified as a hobby farm ie I may have 40 hectares but only grow a few weeds. Are we able to get hold of that information any more than the tax status? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Generating good looking PDF/SVG maps?
On 17 June 2010 06:16, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: My current thinking is that Mapnik would be the best tool for this. I don't know what produces a SVG file, but if you click on the export tag on the main OSM website you can export areas as SVG. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse
My argument is that a tax purpose is not a land use - you can run a small business (tax purpose) from a residential address but it doesn't make it a commercial property. On 17 June 2010 11:42, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2010 11:40, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: are we mapping for tax purposes? We map what ever is verifiable, a tax purpose might be verifiable :D what is it referred to in the local government act (or planning act) of your particular state. No idea, I've always known them to be called hobby farms. not all of these properties will be classified as a hobby farm ie I may have 40 hectares but only grow a few weeds. Are we able to get hold of that information any more than the tax status? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:30 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: - ideally there needs to be more granularity of track difficulty - track_visibility=* is probably useful - sac_scale=* is less useful as it is too specific to alpine areas - however, something indicating difficulty/exposure would be useful This came up on IRC the other day, there the suggestion with sac scale was it should be limited to things SAC has actually evaluated, and there is no equivalent body in Australia so there probably needs a new/different tag for difficulty ratings in Australia difficulty:au=* ? Try Australian Standard AS 2156.1-2001 (Walking tracks - Classification and signage) http://infostore.saiglobal.com/store2/Details.aspx?ProductID=260163 (not free, but try e.g. the following page for some details: http://hikingbackpacking.suite101.com/article.cfm/australian_bushwalking_track_classifications) P.S. In Queensland, the EPA (www.epa.qld.gov.au) website used to tell you which walking tracks fell into which class, but it seems this site has recently been re-developed into http://www.derm.qld.gov.au/, which seems to have lost some of this info... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:07 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2010 10:39, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I am facing the same issue in Bendigo. I have been considering suggesting a landuse=rural_residential tag. AS you state, these blocks are too small for Aren't they commonly known as hobby farms if you have a few animals for tax purposes? IMHO landuse=* shouldn't map discrete things (like hobby farms, or A rural residential block of land), it's meant to map use. What is the land *used* for? Stephen said himself that the land is used only as residences, so landuse=residential. If Stephen said the land was used for hobby farming, then landuse=hobby_farming -- But that's not what Stephen said. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
On 17 June 2010 13:49, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Try Australian Standard AS 2156.1-2001 (Walking tracks - Classification and signage) http://infostore.saiglobal.com/store2/Details.aspx?ProductID=260163 (not free, but try e.g. the following page for some details: http://hikingbackpacking.suite101.com/article.cfm/australian_bushwalking_track_classifications) I think it was James that pointed out there was 6 track grades in Australia, although he didn't explicitly reference the Australian standard on it, but his point was there didn't seem to be any organisation keeping a list of these nation wide. So it seems this might be something OSM could do. Any suggestions on tag naming? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse
I don't disagree Roy. I still argue that the land use isn't wholly residential and that these peri-urban areas are a distinct land use. The other alternative is another tag to help (those who want to) distinguish between types of landuse? On 17 June 2010 13:54, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:07 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2010 10:39, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I am facing the same issue in Bendigo. I have been considering suggesting a landuse=rural_residential tag. AS you state, these blocks are too small for Aren't they commonly known as hobby farms if you have a few animals for tax purposes? IMHO landuse=* shouldn't map discrete things (like hobby farms, or A rural residential block of land), it's meant to map use. What is the land *used* for? Stephen said himself that the land is used only as residences, so landuse=residential. If Stephen said the land was used for hobby farming, then landuse=hobby_farming -- But that's not what Stephen said. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse
On 17 June 2010 14:09, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I don't disagree Roy. I still argue that the land use isn't wholly residential and that these peri-urban areas are a distinct land use. The other alternative is another tag to help (those who want to) distinguish between types of landuse? You could always sub-type instead of a new type... landuse=residential residential=semi-rural or something like that ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Proposal to update weather monitoring_stations using BoM data.
On 17 June 2010 14:06, {Tim} m526244+osm...@gmail.com wrote:
In essence there's six cases, varying in reliability of the result:
1. Example: Ballina Airport AWS
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/741763977
* Site already exists in OSM; both WMO:id and name details match those
from BoM data; not updated since changeset 4762601 (John's original
NOAA bulk load).
* Location updated; old values copied into NOAA:lat, NOAA:lon, added
attribution source:note, and BOM:ID (new data).
* I consider this merge case seems pretty trustworthy.
You may need to attribute more specifically, eg
attribution=Based on Bureau of Meteorology, Australia
I'm not sure what they specifically asked for, in some cases you also
need to specifically attribute a URL
3. Examples: Beaudesert Drumley Street
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/774393256
or: Hay Airport
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/774393252
* Completely new site; BoM data lists WMO:id which doesn't occur
in any current OSM node.
Is this a new site, or does it no longer operate?
I thought about including stations that no longer operate and use an
end_date=* tag but eventually decided against it because some of these
ended up in the middle of what is now the gateway motorway.
5. Example: Alstonville Post Office
I think NOAA only lists weather stations that measure temperature,
many post offices only measure rainfall, so they would be missing for
that reason, you might want to add a note indicating that these need
to be checked for what they actually measure.
matched by any of the other methods, in desperation I tried a simple
name search across all OSM monitoring_stations to see if anything
might turn up. This means such ridiculous combinations as Thule, NSW
being matched with about three stations near Thule Airbase in
Greenland!
You could have used a bbox to exclude areas outside of Australia, eg:
http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/*%5Bman_made=monitoring_station%5D%5Bbbox=110,-45,155,-10%5D
The co-ords above only include the area approximately covering the
Australian mainland and Tasmania, if you want external territories
such as Christmas Island and Norfolk Island, you'll need to extend it
a bit further.
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Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 2:11 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2010 14:09, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I don't disagree Roy. I still argue that the land use isn't wholly residential and that these peri-urban areas are a distinct land use. The other alternative is another tag to help (those who want to) distinguish between types of landuse? You could always sub-type instead of a new type... landuse=residential residential=semi-rural +1. Although I don't really see that much information is added by residential=semi-rural, at least it stays out of the way :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
On 17/06/10 15:27, John Smith wrote: tagging names... AS2156=* isn't descriptive enough, the standard covers several aspects from gradients to publicity, this document was interesting, if nothing else for the publicity section on the bottom of page 5: http://www.bluemountainsguides.com.au/documents/Western_Arthurs_Appendices.pdf AS 2156 Class 6+, publicity guidelines: All publicity to be discouraged. Routes not to be identified on maps except for internal (ie Service) management purposes. Authors will be encouraged to keep route descriptions vague (eg in accounts of past expeditions). Photographers and publishers will be encouraged not to identify the precise location of photographs taken in trackless areas. I may have raised this issue in the past. Walking tracks are never signposted or otherwise marked through declared wilderness areas. This includes some sections of the Australian Alps Walking Track. Maps should not show tracks in those specific wilderness areas. It's every man to herself, so to speak. John H ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Hikers on this list?
On 17 June 2010 15:46, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I may have raised this issue in the past. Walking tracks are never signposted or otherwise marked through declared wilderness areas. This includes some sections of the Australian Alps Walking Track. Maps should not show tracks in those specific wilderness areas. It's every man to herself, so to speak. I knew someone had brought it up in the past, but I'm wondering if we could map it as an area rather than a line? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Residential landuse
+1 nothing is ever perfect in everyones eyes, but I can live with it :) On 17 June 2010 15:19, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 2:11 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2010 14:09, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I don't disagree Roy. I still argue that the land use isn't wholly residential and that these peri-urban areas are a distinct land use. The other alternative is another tag to help (those who want to) distinguish between types of landuse? You could always sub-type instead of a new type... landuse=residential residential=semi-rural +1. Although I don't really see that much information is added by residential=semi-rural, at least it stays out of the way :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[Talk-br] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Calling all bulk importers
Informação importante para os que realizaram ou estão realizando importações aqui no Brasil. -- Forwarded message -- From: Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz Date: Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 1:21 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Calling all bulk importers To: t...@openstreetmap.org Hi, If you have been involved in bulk import of data from third-parties, may I ask you to check that this is on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue . Why? Now we have final versions of everything, the License Working Group is checking compatibility with the proposed change to the Open Database License. We are aware that in some cases the donor's permission will need to asked. We like to leave you as much time as possible to do that and to be prepared to assist you if needed. There is a new support page here. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Bulk_Import_Support_Page Mike License Working Group ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] THW und andere Organisationen
Hi Jan, wie würdet Ihr THW-Stützpunkte und andere Tagen ?? Es gibt da einen Vorschlag: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Emergency_service emergency_service=technical name=THW Ortsverband XYZ operator=THW Tschuess Michael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wiki bzgl. ref auf motorway_link ändern/ergänzen und ref dort ersetzen/entfernen?
Am 14.06.2010 um 00:49 schrieb Bodo Meissner b...@bodo-m.de: Am 14.06.2010 00:05, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 13. Juni 2010 19:20 schrieb steffterra steffte...@me.com: Dass der Weg eine Autobahnauffahrt ist, und wo die hinfuehrt, steht schon in den Daten. Du meinst es steht in den Daten in dem der motorway_link mit dem motorway einen gemeinsamen knoten hat, oder meinst Du etwas anderes? Im Prinzip ja, es ist aber noch mehr: der motorway-link hat ja eine Richtung, und es ist nicht irgendein node sondern der letzte Node, der gleichzeitig die Autobahn ist, wo er hinführt. Diese Redundanz, di e Du vorschlägst, macht für mich an dieser Stelle daher keinen Sinn. ( Bei Ausfahrten ist es das selbe in grün). Es gibt auch komplexere Konstruktionen, bei denen das nicht mehr so einfach zu verfolgen ist. Beispiel: Autobahndreieck Allgäu http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.687261lon=10.368329zoom=1 8 Von der A7 in nördlicher Richtung zweigt eine Parallelspur ab, die a uch wieder auf die A7 führt. Davon geht dann wieder die Verbindung z ur A980 ab. Dererlei Beispiele gibt es viele. Hier müßte man entlang der Route alle *_link-Stücke verfolgen, bis man auf eine andere Straße (nicht *_link) trifft und ggf. das dortig e ref verwenden. +1 Wenn man manuell festgelegte Werte an die *_link-Stücke klebt, erlei chtert das dem Router bzw. dem Routing-Karten-Generator die Arbeit. Dafür mache ich es aber nicht. Ich nutzte das aber gerne als positiven Nebeneffekt. Letztendlich taggt man damit ja auch die Information, die auf dem Richtungsschild steht. Alternativ könnte man natürlich auch in einer Relation die beteiligten *._links einer Richtung zusammenfassen. Doch nicht nur die Auswertung, auch die Erstellung wäre unverhältnismäßig aufwendiger. Außerdem würde das implizieren, dass dann auch bei einem einfachen motorway_link statt eines einfachen destination_ref die unnötigerweise aufwändigere Relation zu nutzten wäre... Deshalb bin ich für den destination_ref-key auf allen *._links, die zu Autobahnen und allen baulichen Arten von Bundesstrassen führen, da der destiination_ref auch dort so ausgeschildert ist. Und da scheinbar in vielen Fällen der Mißbrauch des ref-Tags gängige Praxis ist, wäre es sicher sinnvoll, die Information in ein besser geeignetes Tag wie das vorgeschlagenen destination_ref zu ver lagern. +1, und dass das gängige Praxis ist, zeigt aber auch, dass es eigentlich kein Proposal benötigt, ihn umzubenennen. Der Key wird ja nicht neu erfunden, nur weil man ihn sinnvoller benennt. Der Bedarf ist da, gängige Praxis ist erwiesen, also nur noch umbenennen in die sinnvollere Schreibweise. Ich denke, es schadet nichts, den vorgeschlagenen Key zu verwenden, auch wenn das möglicherweise redundant ist. Da es aber bisher nicht der gängigen Praxis entspricht, Der ref am _link ist gängige Praxis, also ist es nur eine Frage der Umbenennung am _link und keine Proposal-Fragestellung nach dem generellen Bedarf. S.o. würde ich das zuerst als Proposed_feature eintragen. Eigentlich eben nicht nötig, s.o. Alternative: häufig in der DB verwenden und dann mit Verweis auf die Verbreitung direkt ohne Proposal als Key eintragen. Der falsche ref am _link ist weit verbreitet, deshalb würde ich das mit dem Umbenennen vorhandener _falscher_ ref's an _links ins Wiki schreiben (natürlich mit Hinweis auf echte ref's an _links, wenn diese tatsächlich so ausgeschildert oder in offiziellen Papieren so bezeichnet werden. Siehe dazu aktueller Wikieintrag bei motorway_link). Wenn jemand ein Programm schreibt, das die korrekten destination_ref- Werte für alle motorway_link ermitteln kann, ist das vielleicht ein Hinweis, daß man auf destination_ref verzichten kann. Das geht sicher, ist aber dann eigentlich schon ein Routingprogramm - und damit sind wir wieder am Anfang der Diskussion. Dass es aber eine (nicht umsonst auch ausgeschilderte) Information ist, wird dabei ignoriert und man reduziert es auf die Router-Diskussion. Aber was bisher komplett vernachlässigt wurde, ist die Tatsache, dass der Key destinatin_ref auch wunderbar an Bundesstrassen eingesetzt werden kann, an denen die Richtung zu einer Autobahn ausgeschildert ist, so wie es häufig in Städten aber auch im ländlichen Bereich der Fall ist. Da ist gar keine Redundanz gegeben, wenn es nicht getaggt wird und ist auch wiederum nicht nur für Router eine sinnvolle Ergänzung. steffterra ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Verkehrszeichen Tool Update
Hi! On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:36:28PM +0200, Sebastian Hohmann wrote: ich hatte in einem anderen Thread schon auf mein Tool hingewiesen, mit dem man sich Verkehrszeichen zusammenklicken kann und die passenden Tags dazu erhält. Nun ist es etwas erweitert und hat auch eine neue Adresse: http://osmtools.de/traffic_signs/ Bugs können natürlich durchaus noch drin sein, insbesondere bei der Zusammenstellung der Tags (und gerade die sollte natürlich so korrekt wie möglich sein). Es können auch durchaus noch Verkehrszeichen fehlen. Ich habe die meisten aus dem Wiki[1] übernommen. Das Tool ist als Ergänzung zum Wiki gedacht, inbesondere für Anfänger. Netter Ansatz! Eventuell könntest Du die Schilder etwas kleiner machen, dann passt mehr auf den Bildschirm. Erkennen sollte man sie immernoch können, die sind ja dafür gemacht, dass man sie auch auf der Straße erkennen kann, wenn man weit weg ist. Wenn man zweimal das gleiche Schild anklickt, ist es 2mal in der Auswahl. Das könntest Du noch abfangen. Etwas schwierig ist, dass manche Zusatzschilder direkt in ein Tag umgesetzt werden (Radfahrer frei), andere nicht (Anlieger frei). Das liegt natürlich an den Tags und nicht an Dir. Aber vielleicht kannst Du versuchen, das irgendwie zu visualisieren. So denkt man leicht: Ich hab das Schild angeklickt und es ist in der Auswahl zu sehen, aber unter Tags steht nur Nichts ausgewählt. Würde ja reichen, wenn da steht: Nur Zusatzschild vorhanden, wählen Sie ein Haupt-Schild aus oder sowas. Super wäre es natürlich, wenn Schilder, die nie zusammen auftreten können, zu einem Fehler führen, bzw. nicht auswählbar sind. Ich sehe, Du hast die Definition der Schilder im Javascript-Code. Eventuell kannste das in eine eigene JSON-Datei auslagern, dann können andere das auch leicht verwenden. Und eine tabellarische Übersicht daraus wäre vielleicht für die Powermapper interessant, die lange Diskussionen führen wollen, welche Tags nun wie zugeordnet werden sollen. :-) Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Preise für OSM-Umfrage
Martin Simon grenzde...@gmail.com wrote: Naja, nach fast 2 Jahren kann man's ja nochmal wagen. ;-) Ich hatte mir das Layout gestern nochmal angeschaut. Spreadshirt T-Shirts mit Flexdruck haben ja eine tolle Qualität. Ich hab mir selber dort schon ein Shirt anfertigen lassen. Allerdings gibt es da gleich zwei Probleme. Die maximale Motivgröße von 30x30cm und die Mindestlinienbreite von 1.5mm Gruss Sven -- Das allgemeine Persönlichkeitsrecht (Art. 2 Abs.1 i.V.m. Art.1 Abs. 1GG) umfasst das Grundrecht auf Gewährleistung der Vertraulichkeit und Integrität informationstechnischer Systeme. (BVerfG, 1BvR 370/07) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Verkehrszeichen Tool Update
Hallo, man könnte bspw. wenn bicycle=no auf bicycle=yes|designated trifft eine Meldung ausgeben, dass es quatsch ist. Übrigens hast du Lieferverkehr mit access=delivery drin. Ich kenne es als goods=*. Viele Grüße, aighes -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Verkehrszeichen-Tool-Update-tp5183636p5185450.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Verkehrszeichen Tool Update
Am 16. Juni 2010 10:15 schrieb aighes h.scholl...@googlemail.com: Übrigens hast du Lieferverkehr mit access=delivery drin. Ich kenne es als goods=*. Lieferverkehr frei *=delivery wird ähnlich dem Anlieger frei-Schild *=destination verwendet. goods sind kleine LKWs bis 3.5t. Diese Klassifizierung gibt es in Deutschland laut STVO nicht. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:access André ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Verkehrszeichen Tool Update
Am 16. Juni 2010 07:23 schrieb Martin Simon grenzde...@gmail.com: Fahrradstraße ist eine Verkehrsregelung, die Fahrradfahrern auf damit ausgestatteten *Straßen* mehr Rechte einräumt und Motorfahrzeuge erst einmal ausschließt. Daher ist es eher unangebracht, die Straße selbst als Radweg, also Sonderweg für Radfahrer, zu taggen. Die Straße sollte meines Erachtens ihre normale Klassifikation erhalten (residential, unclassified, service, etc.) und die Verkehrsregelung Fahrradstraße separat getaggt werden (cycleroad=yes oder, wie hier[1] dokumentiert mit bicycle=designated). oder beides. Ich bin ja nach wie vor der Ansicht, dass Fahrradstraßen durchaus auch einen eigenen highway-tag bekommen könnten, wie Fußgängerzonen und verkehrsberuhigte Bereiche auch, aber solange die access-tags alle richtig gesetzt sind und ein cycleroad=yes eindeutig den Status Fahrradstraße dokumentiert kann man auch mit Subtags gut leben. Ein schlichtes bicycle=designated alleine finde ich dagegen zu wenig, weil es die Fahrradstraße nicht eindeutig beschreibt, Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Preise für OSM-Umfrage
Zitat Sven Geggus: Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tshirt_competition Aah ich erinenre mich! Das SURVEYOR shirt geällt mir ganz gut. Leider nur PNG kein Vektormotiv. Sonst hätte ich einfach mal nen Spreadshirt Shop aufgemacht. Darf man jetzt bei Spreadshirt OSM-Karten auf ein Tshirt drucken? Ich hab das vor ueber einem Jahr mal versucht, keine Chance. Zitat: Es tut uns sehr leid, Dir mitteilen zu müssen, dass das gewünschte Motiv (siehe unten) mit hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit urheberrechtlich geschützt ist. Dieser Teil der Bestellung kann somit nicht bearbeitet werden. Dabei hatte ich die Attribuierung in die Grafik gut sichtbar eingefuegt. Auf eine ausfuehrliche Erklaerung von mir mit Verweis auf Projekt und Lizenz kam die Mitteilung, dass die Bestellung storniert wurde. Ein spaeterer erneuter Versuch brachte das gleiche Ergebnis. Vorgefertigte Antworten, keine Reaktion auf meine Einlassungen und Erklaerungen. Mit mir nicht mehr. -- Michael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fahrrad-Access-Map
Walter Nordmann schrieb: hi falk, es wurde schon an mehreren stellen die meinung vertreten, dass wir in osm sowas nicht machen. die entscheidung, einen solchen weg zu nehmen, liegt letzendlich beim radfahrer. er kann doch sicher dort absteigen und das bike ein stückchen schieben. das gleiche gilt für treppen; da muss ja nicht jeder runterfahren - aber wenn er es kann und es ihm spass macht... wenn es verboten ist, stehen da auch schilder. Jaja, die Katze zum Trocknen in die Mikrowelle stecken, nur weil nicht dran steht, dass man das nicht machen darf? ;-) Laut http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:access * no (Benutzung nicht erlaubt oder nicht möglich.) Die englische Version schließt zwar letzteres nicht ein, aber no heißt halt einfach nur nein ohne das Warum des Neins (verboten/unmöglich) Gruß Mueck ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fahrrad-Access-Map
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 05:38:41PM +0200, Florian Gross wrote: Ich würde da fast zu bicycle=no tendieren. Je nachdem, ob man nur Verbote so taggen würde oder auch die physikalisch (fast) unmögliche Passierbarkeit. Das bringt wieder die hier schon früher diskutierte Frage des subjektiven Taggens auf: Ich würde eigentlich auch gerne wissen, wie ich Wege taggen soll, die ich gefahren bin und mir anschließend sage: Ich wünschte, ich würde niemals über solche Wege geroutet werden. Dazu zähle ich auch fast nicht mehr sichtbare Pfade 'trail_visibility=bad' oder sowas. Ich habe keine Ahnung, ob Router sowas berücksichtigen und setze daher einfach ein 'bycicle=no' mit der objektiven Motivation, daß man mit dem Fahrrad bei schlecht erkennbaren Wegen die Natur kaputt macht. Sicher kann man dieses Argument hinterfragen, aber ich sehe kein anderes wirksames Mittel, Router davon abzuhalten (die Masse der) Fahrradfahrer hier entlangzuschicken. Wer mit dem Mountainbike sowieso überall langfahren will, der wird auch die Abweichung von einer Route in Kauf nehmen. Die Angabe von mtb:scale ist in solchen Fällen nicht immer hilfreich, denn ich befürchte, daß eine explizite Angabe dieses Tags Router geradezu auf solche Wege aufmerksam macht, die ich aber lieber vermeiden möchte - oder gibt es Mountainbiker, die umgestürzte Bäume, schlammige Wege (eigentlich eher Bäche), Brennessel und Gesträuchbewuchs so sehr lieben? Sowas bin ich neulich lang und habe den Mann verflucht, der das als offiziellen Wanderweg (in meiner gedruckten Wanderkarte dick rot eingezeichnet) markiert hat. Viele Grüße Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fahrrad-Access-Map
Am Mittwoch 16 Juni 2010, 13:48:47 schrieb Heiko Jacobs: Walter Nordmann schrieb: hi falk, es wurde schon an mehreren stellen die meinung vertreten, dass wir in osm sowas nicht machen. die entscheidung, einen solchen weg zu nehmen, liegt letzendlich beim radfahrer. er kann doch sicher dort absteigen und das bike ein stückchen schieben. das gleiche gilt für treppen; da muss ja nicht jeder runterfahren - aber wenn er es kann und es ihm spass macht... wenn es verboten ist, stehen da auch schilder. Jaja, die Katze zum Trocknen in die Mikrowelle stecken, nur weil nicht dran steht, dass man das nicht machen darf? ;-) Laut http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:access * no (Benutzung nicht erlaubt oder nicht möglich.) Die englische Version schließt zwar letzteres nicht ein, dann ist die deutsche Version falsch. no = Verbot ist klar und eindeutig definiert durch das Vorhandensein einer bestimmten Beschilderung. die Moeglichkeit des Fahrens damit auch noch abbilden zu wollen, ist schlichtweg Unsinn, denn diese haengt massgeblich von Material und Koennen des Fahrers ab. Der sollte das aufgrund eines Taggings der physischen Gegebenheiten (wie z.B. trackgrades, surface, ...) selbst entscheiden koennen. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Preise für OSM-Umfrage
Michael Buege mich...@buegehome.de wrote: Ich hab das vor ueber einem Jahr mal versucht, keine Chance. Zitat: Es tut uns sehr leid, Dir mitteilen zu müssen, dass das gewünschte Motiv (siehe unten) mit hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit urheberrechtlich geschützt ist. Die sind wohl schon mal abgemahnt worden. Trotzdem wundert mich das. Wenn ich einen Shop aufmache bestätige ich doch bei jedem Shirt, dass ich damit eben gerade nicht Rechte von dritten verletze. Da müsste man dann wohl mal anrufen. Das Motiv von dem ich hier rede hat aber gar keine Karte drauf. T-Shirt Karten Könnte man sicher recht einfach mit nem modifizierten Osmarender style bauen. Gruss Sven -- Der wichtigste Aspekt, den Sie vor der Entscheidung für ein Open Source-Betriebssystem bedenken sollten, ist, dass Sie kein Windows-Betriebssystem erhalten. (von http://www.dell.de/ubuntu) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fahrrad-Access-Map
Am 16. Juni 2010 14:17 schrieb Andreas Tille andr...@an3as.eu: Ich habe keine Ahnung, ob Router sowas berücksichtigen und setze daher einfach ein 'bycicle=no' mit der objektiven Motivation, daß man mit dem Fahrrad bei schlecht erkennbaren Wegen die Natur kaputt macht. Sicher kann man dieses Argument hinterfragen, aber ich sehe kein anderes wirksames Mittel, Router davon abzuhalten (die Masse der) Fahrradfahrer hier entlangzuschicken. Wer mit dem Mountainbike sowieso überall langfahren will, der wird auch die Abweichung von einer Route in Kauf nehmen. Stimmt. ich habe auch motor_vehicle=no an meine Wohnstraße getaggt, mit der objektiven Motivation, daß man mich nicht in meiner Nachtruhe stören möge. Ist mir egal, ob das richtig oder falsch ist oder ob ich an einer Durchgangsstraße wohne, mich interessiert nur meine Motivation und daß möglichst viele Router und Renderer das machen, was ich will. Gruß, Martin (Eine andere Frage ist, ob es in deinem Wald nicht wirklich per Verordnung verboten ist, auf unbefestigten Wegen Fahrrad zu fahren. Das könntest du natürlich mal prüfen.) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fahrrad-Access-Map
Am 16.06.2010 14:38, schrieb Martin Simon: Wer mit dem Mountainbike sowieso überall langfahren will, der wird auch die Abweichung von einer Route in Kauf nehmen. Stimmt. ich habe auch motor_vehicle=no an meine Wohnstraße getaggt, mit der objektiven Motivation, daß man mich nicht in meiner Nachtruhe stören möge. -1 Chris der sich nicht sicher ist, ob das als Scherz gemeint war ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fahrrad-Access-Map
wenn es verboten ist, stehen da auch schilder. Auf Pfaden im Wald darf man zumindest in Thüringen theoretisch überhaupt nicht Rad fahren, wenn es nicht ausdrücklich erlaubt ist. Auf Pfaden ist das laut Thüringer Waldgesetz §6 (3) verboten. Da stehen keine Schilder. Gruß Burkhard ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fahrrad-Access-Map
Am Dienstag 15 Juni 2010, 17:12:56 schrieb Falk Zscheile: highway=path, foot=yes, bridge=yes Was spricht gegen ein highway=footway? Ich meine, wenn der Baumstamm so gebaut ist, dass man da mit einem handelsüblichen Fahrrad nicht weiter kommt, dann ist das definitiv eine Brücke, die für die Nutzung zu Fuß gedacht ist. Es wird wohl auch kein Pferd und kein Auto weiter kommen, schätze ich mal. Also ist es ein Fußweg. Gruß, Bernd -- Leben ist das was passiert, während du eifrig dabei bist andere Pläne zu machen. - John Lennon signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM-T-Shirt-Shop
Hallo Sven, T-Shirt Karten Könnte man sicher recht einfach mit nem modifizierten Osmarender style bauen. Das ist eine geniale Geschäftsidee: *individuelle T-Shirts mit Landkarte* - Web-Interface mit OSM-Karte - mit Zoom, Scroll und Rechteck Kartenausschnitt wählen - Style auswählen - Schriftzug? - beidseitig? - Grösse, Form und Farbe des Shirts - Lieferadresse - Zahlungsart fertig... Vielleicht hat ja jemand Lust? Gruss, Markus PS: Wäre auch ein super Werbemittel für OSM. Jeder Touristenort (weltweit!) will eigene Shirts mit Karte... ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fahrrad-Access-Map
Am 16. Juni 2010 15:04 schrieb Bernd Wurst be...@bwurst.org: Am Dienstag 15 Juni 2010, 17:12:56 schrieb Falk Zscheile: highway=path, foot=yes, bridge=yes Was spricht gegen ein highway=footway? Ich meine, wenn der Baumstamm so gebaut ist, dass man da mit einem handelsüblichen Fahrrad nicht weiter kommt, dann ist das definitiv eine Brücke, die für die Nutzung zu Fuß gedacht ist. Es wird wohl auch kein Pferd und kein Auto weiter kommen, schätze ich mal. Also ist es ein Fußweg. Fußweg ist für mich nur das was neben der Straße läuft oder das entsprechende Verkehrszeichen hat. Alles andere ist für mich highway=path, foot=yes. Offensichtlich weicht unsere Terminologie voneinander ab, aber in der Sache sage ich doch mit meinem tagging genau das, was du mit highway=footway ausdrücken würdest -- ein weg der für Fußgänger geeignet ist, oder? Gruß, Falk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
