Re: [talk-au] Morton Bay National Park should have it's ID numbers under ref=

[Andrew Harvey]

I agree.

On Thu., 3 May 2018, 2:02 pm Joel H.,  wrote:

> Hello, I'm just noticing around Moreton Bay Marine Park. Many
> nature_reserves are currently formatted as follows:
>
> name= Honeymoon Bay (MNP05)
>
> Shouldn't this be:
>
> name= Honeymoon Bay
>
> ref= MNP05
>
> ?
>
>
> -Joel
>
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Re: [Talk-cz] Prušánky

[Jan Martinec]

A co si zabrat nějaké území v OpenGeoFiction? Softwarově shodné s OSM, jen
to není podle reálného světa...

Zdar,
HPM

Dne čt 3. 5. 2018 7:00 uživatel Marián Kyral  napsal:

> Ahoj,
> jestli je řeč o tomhle sandboxu:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:P%C3%ADskovi%C5%A1t%C4%9B_pro_editace
> , tak tam sice můžeš editovat bez obav, ale změny se pak nerenderují, což
> je z pohledu výuky na prd.
>
> Jinak můžeš panu učiteli doporučit, aby se přihlásil do konference. Tady
> mu na jeho otázky rádi odpovíme.
>
> Marián
>
> -- Původní e-mail --
> Od: Honza Cibulka 
> Komu: 'OpenStreetMap Czech Republic' 
> Datum: 2. 5. 2018 10:42:35
> Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Prušánky
>
> Zdar vespolek,
>
> tak byli to deváťáci, který měl na starosti učitel Pavel Janeček, mluvil
> jsem s nim. Pošlete mu na pvlj...@centrum.cz něco k tomu sandboxu?
>
>
>
> Jinak ví o tom, prej děckům řek, ať to uvedou do původního stavu, ale
> děcka...
>
>
>
> *From:* Petr Schönmann 
> *Sent:* středa 2. května 2018 10:24
> *To:* OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-cz] Prušánky
>
>
>
> Obávám se že stále bude situace bez jakékoliv odpovědi. Nejlepší způsob
> asi bude každému editorovi poslat zprávu, changeset koment se žádostí na
> kontaktní informaci na pana učitele. Spousta editací jsou blbosti, ale
> najde se i pár co opravdu něco přidá. Takže za mně je ideální sbírat jména
> useru na revert ale zároveň každému napsat ( copypaste ) text kde požádáme
> o mail, tel. ... whatever na pana učitele co je v OSM vzdělává.
>
>
>
> st 2. 5. 2018 v 10:16 odesílatel Marián Kyral  napsal:
>
> Zkus.
> loni jsme zkoušeli email - bez odpovědi.
>
> Marián
>
> -- Původní e-mail --
> Od: Honza Cibulka 
> Komu: 'OpenStreetMap Czech Republic' 
> Datum: 2. 5. 2018 10:14:19
> Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Prušánky
>
> A napsat/zavolat do tý školy? Takhle pokrokovej učitel informatiky tam
> bude imho jenom jeden a s nim se půjde domluvit.
>
>
>
> *From:* Marián Kyral 
> *Sent:* středa 2. května 2018 10:02
> *To:* OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-cz] Prušánky
>
>
>
> Napsal jsem k tomu changesetu komentář. Ale moc si od něj neslibuji.
>
> Marián
>
> -- Původní e-mail --
> Od: Marián Kyral 
> Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
> Datum: 2. 5. 2018 9:29:11
> Předmět: [Talk-cz] Prušánky
>
> A jéje :-(
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/58603761
>
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Re: [Talk-cz] Prušánky

[Marián Kyral]

Ahoj,
jestli je řeč o tomhle sandboxu: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:P%C
3%ADskovi%C5%A1t%C4%9B_pro_editace , tak tam sice můžeš editovat bez obav,
ale změny se pak nerenderují, což je z pohledu výuky na prd.

Jinak můžeš panu učiteli doporučit, aby se přihlásil do konference. Tady mu
na jeho otázky rádi odpovíme.

Marián

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Od: Honza Cibulka 
Komu: 'OpenStreetMap Czech Republic' 
Datum: 2. 5. 2018 10:42:35
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Prušánky
"


Zdar vespolek,

tak byli to deváťáci, který měl na starosti učitel Pavel Janeček, mluvil
jsem s nim. Pošlete mu na pvlj...@centrum.cz(mailto:pvlj...@centrum.cz) něco
k tomu sandboxu?

 

Jinak ví o tom, prej děckům řek, ať to uvedou do původního stavu, ale
děcka...

 

From: Petr Schönmann 
Sent: středa 2. května 2018 10:24
To: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Subject: Re: [Talk-cz] Prušánky

 


Obávám se že stále bude situace bez jakékoliv odpovědi. Nejlepší způsob asi
bude každému editorovi poslat zprávu, changeset koment se žádostí na
kontaktní informaci na pana učitele. Spousta editací jsou blbosti, ale najde
se i pár co opravdu něco přidá. Takže za mně je ideální sbírat jména useru
na revert ale zároveň každému napsat ( copypaste ) text kde požádáme o mail,
tel. ... whatever na pana učitele co je v OSM vzdělává.


 



st 2. 5. 2018 v 10:16 odesílatel Marián Kyral  napsal:

"

Zkus.
loni jsme zkoušeli email - bez odpovědi.

Marián

-- Původní e-mail --
Od: Honza Cibulka 
Komu: 'OpenStreetMap Czech Republic' 
Datum: 2. 5. 2018 10:14:19
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Prušánky
"


A napsat/zavolat do tý školy? Takhle pokrokovej učitel informatiky tam bude
imho jenom jeden a s nim se půjde domluvit.

 



 From: Marián Kyral 
 Sent: středa 2. května 2018 10:02
 To: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
 Subject: Re: [Talk-cz] Prušánky



 

Napsal jsem k tomu changesetu komentář. Ale moc si od něj neslibuji.

Marián

-- Původní e-mail --
Od: Marián Kyral 
Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org(mailto:talk-cz@openstreetmap.org)
Datum: 2. 5. 2018 9:29:11
Předmět: [Talk-cz] Prušánky
"
A jéje :-(

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/58603761
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/58603761)

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[talk-au] Morton Bay National Park should have it's ID numbers under ref=

[Joel H.]

Hello, I'm just noticing around Moreton Bay Marine Park. Many
nature_reserves are currently formatted as follows:

name= Honeymoon Bay (MNP05)

Shouldn't this be:

name= Honeymoon Bay

ref= MNP05

?


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[talk-au] crisis mapping volunteer survey

[Tait Brimacombe]

Hi,

I am writing to invite you to participate in a short survey for a University of 
Adelaide, Australia interdisciplinary research project - Humanitarian 
Emergencies in a Digital World. We are looking for volunteers have previously, 
or are currently, engaged in crisis mapping activities. You may have been 
involved in some of these activities through your connection to OpenStreetMap 
Australia network.

This research project seeks to understand why people all over the world 
participate in crisis responses, in particularly why people choose to 
volunteer, their experiences of the process and their perceptions of the 
impact. This project aims to contribute to our understanding of the how 
processes such as crowdsourcing and crisis mapping help to inform the 
situational awareness of humanitarian aid workers during emergencies.

You can find more information about the research project, and what it means to 
participate, in a document available 
(here).
 If you are interested in participating in the survey, you can do so using this 
following link: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/S32HP8X

Alternatively, please feel free to circulate through your relevant networks.

Thank you,

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Re: [Talk-ca] A new available source of trail data in the Nanaimo area

[James]

Hopefully the names of said trails are not so vulgar as past experiences.
If they have surveyed all of the trails themselves and are making the data
available, I don't see an issue with using it(other than it being grossly
inacurate)

On Wed, May 2, 2018, 9:19 PM Doug Hembry,  wrote:

> Greetings..
> I wanted to bring to the attention of Vancouver Island mappers a source of
> some trail data in the Nanaimo area that I don't feel competent to handle
> myself. On a recent vacation visit to friends in Nanaimo, I learned that an
> association called the Back Country Horsemen of British Columbia have
> surveyed many of their customary riding trails around McKay Lake, resulting
> in a shapefile that they are prepared to make available to OSM.
>
> Originally, hearing about this shapefile, and expecting just a few trails
> clustered around the lake, I offered to import the data to OSM myself, but
> was surprised to find that it described quite a large network of trails
> covering a significant area. On reflection, given that I'm based in the SF
> Bay area in CA, and have zero local knowledge, I abandoned that idea. With
> the permission of my contact in the association, I'm asking if any local
> mappers might be interested in looking at the data with a view to importing
> it to OSM.
>
> The GPS survey appears to have been carefully done, and displayed in JOSM
> it conforms closely to those parts of the trails that are visible in
> imagery. The downside is that information describing physical
> characteristics (type of highway: path, track, road?; width, surface,
> smoothness, etc) is mostly absent. As is information about permissions
> (horse, bike, ATVs, private or public, etc), jurisdiction, and supporting
> amenities (eg, car parks, signage, water). Some of the trails do have
> names.  So clearly some digging or surveying for the missing data would be
> necessary. (Possibly some association members might be willing to help, but
> I didn't bring up the possibility). But the point is, that this data
> describes real trails that are currently in use for equestrian recreation.
> And I believe (but am not certain) that the Trans-Canada trail (Great
> Trail?) intersects this trail network.
>
> So that's it... Anyone who is interested in looking into this source
> should feel free to contact Lynn deVries of Back Country Horsemen of BC at
> nese...@gmail.com who can provide a copy of the shapefile.
>
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[Talk-ca] A new available source of trail data in the Nanaimo area

[Doug Hembry]

Greetings..
I wanted to bring to the attention of Vancouver Island mappers a source of some 
trail data in the Nanaimo area that I don't feel competent to handle myself. On 
a recent vacation visit to friends in Nanaimo, I learned that an association 
called the Back Country Horsemen of British Columbia have surveyed many of 
their customary riding trails around McKay Lake, resulting in a shapefile that 
they are prepared to make available to OSM.

Originally, hearing about this shapefile, and expecting just a few trails 
clustered around the lake, I offered to import the data to OSM myself, but was 
surprised to find that it described quite a large network of trails covering a 
significant area. On reflection, given that I'm based in the SF Bay area in CA, 
and have zero local knowledge, I abandoned that idea. With the permission of my 
contact in the association, I'm asking if any local mappers might be interested 
in looking at the data with a view to importing it to OSM.

The GPS survey appears to have been carefully done, and displayed in JOSM it 
conforms closely to those parts of the trails that are visible in imagery. The 
downside is that information describing physical characteristics (type of 
highway: path, track, road?; width, surface, smoothness, etc) is mostly absent. 
As is information about permissions (horse, bike, ATVs, private or public, 
etc), jurisdiction, and supporting amenities (eg, car parks, signage, water). 
Some of the trails do have names.  So clearly some digging or surveying for the 
missing data would be necessary. (Possibly some association members might be 
willing to help, but I didn't bring up the possibility). But the point is, that 
this data describes real trails that are currently in use for equestrian 
recreation. And I believe (but am not certain) that the Trans-Canada trail 
(Great Trail?) intersects this trail network.

So that's it... Anyone who is interested in looking into this source should 
feel free to contact Lynn deVries of Back Country Horsemen of BC at 
nese...@gmail.com who can provide a copy of the 
shapefile.

Best..
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Re: [OSM-talk] How INSPIRE data are sold in your countries

[Rob Nickerson]

A quick look at the EU code tells us:

"Member States should therefore make available, as a minimum and free of
charge, the services *for discovering and*, subject to certain specific
conditions, *viewing* spatial data sets."

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=OJ:L:2007:108:TOC

So you can look but not necessarily use under licence. That seems to depend
on what each country decides to do. The missed a trick but this was over 10
years ago now when views were different.

Best,

*Rob*

On 3 May 2018 at 00:21, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> INSPIRE sets the framework for geospatial (meta)data in the EU and
> requires member states to commit to having certain types of data available
> in a defined exchange format. When I was involved in this more closely,
> there was not the assumption that the data would be free (as in beer), and
> as far as I know the conditions of availability to citizens were not
> enshrined in the INSPIRE directive.
>
> NL makes a lot of spatial data under INSPIRE freely available, see
> https://www.pdok.nl/en
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 2, 2018, at 17:10, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
>
> INSPIRE is an EU requirement. As far as I know the UK makes all their
> INSPIRE data open for free, although I am not sure if they had to under the
> EU rules of if they just decided to. See:
>
> https://data.gov.uk/location/inspire
>
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Re: [Talk-de] Gehweg kurzes Stück nicht straßenbegleitend, oder path ohne Widmung?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am 2. Mai 2018 um 15:28 schrieb Peilscheibe :

> Um diesen Weg von der Wendeplatte aus zu erreichen, muss man nicht den
> Gehweg der Fideliostraße benutzen sondern kann direkt von der
> Wendeplatte aus da drauf:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ktp0w5q0r56msf/Fidelio_W01_sm.JPG?dl=0 und
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4k0ogryoq79hpsv/Fidelio_W02_sm.JPG?dl=0




ich kann ja noch akzeptieren, dass dieser Weg hier u.U. strittig ist, und
evtl. als allgemeiner Weg interpretiert werden kann. Ich denke aber, dass
man da trotzdem nicht drauffahren darf von der Straße aus, da man dazu den
Gehweg befahren müsste, man müsste also vor dem Gehweg jeweils absteigen
und bis zur Straße schieben, selbst wenn man auf dem Weg fahren dürfte ;-)




>
> Am Ende des Wegs muss man dann einen Gehweg queren, so wie das an jeder
> Grundstückseinfahrt und auch an Überwegen der Fall ist.
>


an Grundstückseinfahrten ist der Gehweg abgesenkt, man darf nicht einfach
irgendwo mit dem Fahrzeug über den Gehweg auf sein Grundstück fahren,
sondern an festgelegten Grundstücksüberfahrten, deren Anlage und ggf.
Änderung man beantragen muss.



>
>
> Der zweite Weg https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/119519407 , von der
> Wendeplatte nach Süden, ist eigentlich gar kein Weg. Von der Wendeplatte
> aus muss man den Gehweg der Figarostraße queren und die beiden
> Bordsteine überwinden:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m36yj06dj9eoafy/Fidelio_S01_sm.JPG?dl=0 und
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cn15i46ln65t8cw/Fidelio_S02_sm.JPG?dl=0
> Es ist auch hier nicht notwendig, den Gehweg entlang der Wendeplatte zu
> benutzen, man kann direkt von dieser neben der Leitplanke drüberhoppeln,
> wenn dort frei ist.
>


man darf eben nicht einfach über den Gehweg "drüberhoppeln", mit dem
Fahrrad so wenig wie mit dem Auto.
In diesem Fall treffen sich 2 Gehwege (straßenbegleitend) an einem Punkt,
da gibt es an keiner Stelle auch nur den Anflug des Verdachts eines
allgemeinen Weges. Mindestens da würde ich Dich bitten, den allgemeinen
"path" noch näher zu spezifizieren oder gleich einen highway=footway und
footway=sidewalk zu taggen.

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Re: [OSM-talk] How INSPIRE data are sold in your countries

[Martijn van Exel]

INSPIRE sets the framework for geospatial (meta)data in the EU and requires 
member states to commit to having certain types of data available in a defined 
exchange format. When I was involved in this more closely, there was not the 
assumption that the data would be free (as in beer), and as far as I know the 
conditions of availability to citizens were not enshrined in the INSPIRE 
directive. 

NL makes a lot of spatial data under INSPIRE freely available, see 
https://www.pdok.nl/en

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 2, 2018, at 17:10, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
> 
> INSPIRE is an EU requirement. As far as I know the UK makes all their INSPIRE 
> data open for free, although I am not sure if they had to under the EU rules 
> of if they just decided to. See:
> 
> https://data.gov.uk/location/inspire
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] How INSPIRE data are sold in your countries

[Rob Nickerson]

INSPIRE is an EU requirement. As far as I know the UK makes all their
INSPIRE data open for free, although I am not sure if they had to under the
EU rules of if they just decided to. See:

https://data.gov.uk/location/inspire


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Re: [OSM-talk] How INSPIRE data are sold in your countries

[Kathleen Lu]

Hi,
Openaddress.io lists a lot of open address data sources by country. A lot
of it is CC-BY or ODbL or similar licenses (not all of it compatible with
OSM), though you have to look at each individual location to see what it is
specifically.
For example:
https://github.com/openaddresses/openaddresses/blob/master/sources/de/he/city_of_frankfurtammain.json
leads you to this open data portal:
http://www.offenedaten.frankfurt.de/home/ and this license:
https://www.govdata.de/dl-de/by-2-0
And this is only for address data.
Good luck.
-Kathleen


On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 12:01 PM nebulon42  wrote:

> In Austria we have a lot of open data (mostly CC-BY) like:
> * aerial imagery with pixel resolution of ~ 30cm
> * digital basemap
> * DEM out of ALS data with 10m distance
> * address data
> and various other data sets. For OpenStreetMap it was possible to get an
> exception or modification from the attribution clause.
>
> But there are also products that are pricy. Example: DEM with 5m
> distance ~ 170.000 Euro for all of Austria, licensed by the Federal
> Office of Metrology and Surveying. But I really don't know much about
> license costs of other datasets. I'm sure that they exist.
>
> nebulon42
>
> Am 2018-05-02 um 17:07 schrieb Honza Cibulka:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am in the middle of court proceedings related to prices which Czech
> > state GIS authority asks for INSPIRE data (for context, it´s about
> > hundreds of thousands Euro for altimetry dataset, which is basically off
> > reach for anyone).
> >
> >
> >
> > I want to know what is common practice among other EU countries, how
> > your governments are setting prices of state-created GIS data, and how
> > restrictive licensing terms are (our license basically forbids use of
> > state data to create OSM).
> >
> >
> >
> > Of course I know that British Ordnance Survey maps are free for
> > download, but I need more examples, preferable from countries with legal
> > systems similar to us, like Slovakia, Germany, Austria, Hungary, Poland,
> > Spain and others...
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for all info you could send me.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jan Cibulka
> >
> > tel.: +420 776 307 158 <+420%20776%20307%20158>
> >
> > datastory.cz 
> >
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Plan de village

[osm . sanspourriel]

De même le plan de situation (en bas à droite devrait être séparé par un 
trait léger (et l'emprise du plan affiché sur ce plan comme celui du 
plan détaillé du bourg sur la carte principale).


Allez, toujours pour peaufiner :
- il est question dans le texte d'accroche de la vallée du Lignon qui 
coupe la commune en deux. Hors les noms de rivières/ruisseaux sont 
absents et il n'y a peu d'information sur le relief. Un ombrage à la 
OpenTopoMap  pourrait 
être un plus.
- sur le plan d'ensemble des flèches peuvent remplacer les 3 "direction" 
afin d'alléger la carte (mettre les trois villes correspondantes en 
italique afin de les distinguer des villes représentées ?).
- à tester : afficher les premières occurrences des lettre du tri de 
l'index en gras :


Route des *B*arrages
Impasse du *C*ercle
Chemin de *D*avoissenne

(permet une lecture plus rapide et une compréhension du critère de tri 
moins évident qu'à l'habitude du fait de l'utilisation des noms complets 
des types de voirie: Routes des Barrages, pas/Barrage (route des)/ ou 
/Barrages (rte des)/).


Peut-être d'ailleurs mettre toujours l'initiale du tri dans une autre 
police ou en demi-gras :


Route des *B*arrages
Chemin des Bordeaux
Impasse du *C*ercle

- ordonner logiquement les 4 plans : soit de droite à gauche (du plus 
global au plus local) ou à défaut (du fait de la place disponible) les 
numéroter (1=plan de situation, 2=plan des villages, 3=plan de la 
commune, 4=plan du bourg).


- peut-être mettre la légende ci-dessus par exemple en haut à gauche. 
Surtout s'il n'y a pas d'ordre logique évident.


- j'aurais mis le © des données et de la carte sous le "Source et ©" du 
texte.


Mais c'est du peaufinage, la version "brute" est déjà un beau travail.
Jean-Yvon

Le 02/05/2018 à 17:46, Cédric Frayssinet - lis...@frayssinet.org a écrit :

Le 02/05/2018 à 11:54, JB a écrit :

Bonjour,
Je partage la carte de village que j'ai créée : 
http://randocarto.fr/demo/SaintGeorges_A1_300dpi.png
En bricolant un peu, c'est à reproduire ailleurs. Les outils sont mis 
à disposition ici : https://github.com/JBacc1/Village_map



C'est très chouette !

Éventuellement, il manquerait juste un cadre sur la carte délimitant 
le Centre-Bourg qui est en zoom à gauche et supprimer les petites 
flèches du nom de rues puisqu'on les a sur le zoom ; enfin, c'est mon 
avis :)



Pour se faire une idée, il y a quelques dizaines d'heures de travail, 
entre amélioration des données OSM, transformation des données brutes 
vers quelques chose de plus fin pour le rendu, mise en page finale… 
Comme pour les autres cartes papier, ce n'est pas du prêt à rendre. 
Bidouillages à prévoir.


Cela veut donc dire que si on te donne un village, tu ne peux pas nous 
faire la même chose, dommage ^^


Cédric



Voilà voilà,
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Re: [OSM-talk] How INSPIRE data are sold in your countries

[nebulon42]

In Austria we have a lot of open data (mostly CC-BY) like:
* aerial imagery with pixel resolution of ~ 30cm
* digital basemap
* DEM out of ALS data with 10m distance
* address data
and various other data sets. For OpenStreetMap it was possible to get an
exception or modification from the attribution clause.

But there are also products that are pricy. Example: DEM with 5m
distance ~ 170.000 Euro for all of Austria, licensed by the Federal
Office of Metrology and Surveying. But I really don't know much about
license costs of other datasets. I'm sure that they exist.

nebulon42

Am 2018-05-02 um 17:07 schrieb Honza Cibulka:
> Hello,
> 
> I am in the middle of court proceedings related to prices which Czech
> state GIS authority asks for INSPIRE data (for context, it´s about
> hundreds of thousands Euro for altimetry dataset, which is basically off
> reach for anyone).
> 
>  
> 
> I want to know what is common practice among other EU countries, how
> your governments are setting prices of state-created GIS data, and how
> restrictive licensing terms are (our license basically forbids use of
> state data to create OSM).
> 
>  
> 
> Of course I know that British Ordnance Survey maps are free for
> download, but I need more examples, preferable from countries with legal
> systems similar to us, like Slovakia, Germany, Austria, Hungary, Poland,
> Spain and others...
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for all info you could send me.
> 
>  
> 
> Jan Cibulka
> 
> tel.: +420 776 307 158
> 
> datastory.cz 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Quarterly Project: Post Offices

[David Woolley]

On 02/05/18 18:52, ael wrote:

I am confused:-)  How should a Royal mail local delivery office be
tagged? It seems that it is not amenity=post_office. I notice that
I have used post_depot once some time ago, but that doesn't seem to be
in the wiki (or in the presets for josm). Yet I am sure that I got it
from somewhere. Not that it seems very natural.


I'm fairly sure this came up a couple of months ago and the answer was 
amenity=post_depot; operator=Royal Mail.  It's not, in principle, 
different from Hermes or TNT.


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Re: [Talk-it] OSM e Wikipedia al Parco del Vulture 5 - 6 maggio

[Alessandro Palmas]

Il 02/05/2018 12:39, Francesco Pelullo ha scritto:

Praticamente è casa mia.
Salvo emergenze, potrei esserci.



Bene, registrati e a sabato allora (sperando non piova).

Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT

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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Quarterly Project: Post Offices

[ael]

On Wed, May 02, 2018 at 05:17:56PM +0100, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:
> We're now one month in to the current Quarterly Project, which aims to
> use some official Post Office Ltd. branch data released under the OGL
> to help improve the mapping of Post Offices in OpenStreetMap.

I am confused :-) How should a Royal mail local delivery office be
tagged? It seems that it is not amenity=post_office. I notice that 
I have used post_depot once some time ago, but that doesn't seem to be
in the wiki (or in the presets for josm). Yet I am sure that I got it
from somewhere. Not that it seems very natural.

I would have thought that this a common situation, so I am a bit bemused
that it doesn't seem to be covered anywhere. Or am I missing
something blindingly obvious?

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] May Meeting

[Andy Robinson]

Sorry, will be in Germany.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:br...@mappa-mercia.org] 
Sent: 02 May 2018 14:13
To: OSM Group WM
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] May Meeting

 

Hi everyone

Just a reminder we are NOT meeting tomorrow but the following Thursday May 
10th. May I suggest Knowle/Dorridge (rail station in Dorridge for those 
arriving by public transport) in Solihull and meetup in the Red Lion Knowle for 
8pm?

Let me know if you're intending to attend

Regards

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[Talk-GB] UK Quarterly Project: Post Offices

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

We're now one month in to the current Quarterly Project, which aims to
use some official Post Office Ltd. branch data released under the OGL
to help improve the mapping of Post Offices in OpenStreetMap.

As you can see from the graph at
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postoffice/#history there has been a
slow but steady increase in the total number of matched branches
(blue) and a decrease in the number of closed branches removed (red).
There's also been a good start on adding reference numbers to the
existing branches (green) to help verify matches and keep things in
sync with the official data.

There's still a lot to do though. In particular, there are around 3800
branches in the official list that are not currently mapped in OSM,
and around 1000 amenity=post_office objects that correspond to
branches that are probably now closed. How may of these can we survey
and fix in the next two months?

To make life easier, there's a comparison tool at
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postoffice/progress/ which is currently
updated more-or-less daily. Click through to your postcode area to see
a map showing the discrepancies between OSM and the official list.
Detailed suggestions for mapping actions based on these maps can be
found at http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postoffice/mapping-notes.html .

One issue that was raised earlier was that since the official branch
data is only updated annually, it will become out of date as branches
open and close. It would therefore be useful to have a way of
suppressing these false positives in the tool. I think the best way to
handle this would be to maintain an "updates" list of newly opened and
recently closed branches, that can be fed in to the tool. I'll have a
look at setting something up shortly.

Best wishes,

Robert.

-- 
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Re: [Talk-de] Gehweg kurzes Stück nicht straßenbegleitend, oder path ohne Widmung?

[Bernhard Weiskopf]

Wenn keine abweichende Regelung (durch ein Schild) besteht, gelten die 
Grundregeln der StVO: 
"§ 2 Straßenbenutzung durch Fahrzeuge; 
Abs. (1) Fahrzeuge müssen die Fahrbahnen benutzen, ..."

Wenn das eine Fahrbahn nach § 2 Abs. 1 StVO ist, dürfen dort auch PKW und LKW 
fahren.
Wenn das keine Fahrbahn nach § 2 Abs. 1 StVO ist, dürfen dort auch keine 
Fahrräder fahren.

In Wohngebieten ist meiner Meinung nach meistens der zweite Fall vorherrschend.

Die Eigenschaft "Gehweg" bleibt in § 2 Abs. 1 StVO unbeachtet, hat damit also 
nichts zu tun.

Bernhard


> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Peilscheibe [mailto:peilsche...@gmail.com]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2018 15:29
> An: talk-de@openstreetmap.org
> Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Gehweg kurzes Stück nicht straßenbegleitend, oder
> path ohne Widmung?
> 
> On 27.04.2018 22:19, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> >> Aber da die durchfahrt zwischen der Figaro und Fideliostraße mit dem
> >> Rad zu verbieten fühlt sich genauso kaputt an.
> > m.E. ist es verboten,
> 
> An anderer Stelle in der Diskussion wurde der Begriff "Gehweg" ins Spiel
> gebracht. Es geht hier aber nicht darum, ob man auf Gehwegen mit dem
> Rad fahren darf. Das darf man natürlich nicht, es sei denn, man ist ein Kind,
> das das zehnte Lebensjahr noch nicht vollendet hat oder dessen
> Begleitperson. Das ist übrigens de jure ein Unterschied zu einem expliziten
> Verbot, repräsentiert in der Realität durch Zeichen 254 und in OSM durch
> bicycle=no.
> 
> 
> Wir stehen hier aber grundsätzlich der Frage gegenüber, wie man mit
> allgemeinen Wegen in Wohngebieten umgeht, die kein straßenbegleitender
> Gehweg sind. Das gibt es in "klein", wie hier, und in "groß", wo ganze
> Wegenetze zwischen den Wohnanlagen zu finden sind.
> Selbige finden wir hier in Stuttgart (aber sicher auch anderswo) sowohl mit
> als auch ohne verkehrsbeschränkende Beschilderung vor.
> 
> Weil erlaubt, was nicht verboten ist, darf man auf allgemeinen Wegen, die
> nicht beschildert sind, auch mit dem Rad fahren. [1] Bordsteine sind
> übrigens kein juristisches Hindernis für Fahrräder.
> 
> 
> Wir kommen zu den Details.
> Im konkreten Fall handelt es sich um eine Sackgasse, für die von der
> Straßenverkehrsbehörde keine Aussage zur Weiterführung einzelner
> Verkehrsarten gemacht wurde - am östlichen Ende der Fideliostraße ist ein
> Zeichen 357 angebracht:
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildtafel_der_Verkehrszeichen_in_der_Bund
> esrepublik_Deutschland_seit_2017#/media/File:Zeichen_357_-
> _Sackgasse,_StVO_1992.svg
> und
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6autcht6a2q7g75/Fidelio_Beschilderung_sm.
> JPG?dl=0
> 
> Die Fideliostraße führt von dort zu einer Wendefläche, die in OSM durch
> einen Node repräsentiert ist. Von dieser Wendefläche geht in westlicher
> Richtung ein Weg ab, der zwischen einer öffentlichen Grünanlage und
> Privatgrundstücken entlang führt. Dieser Weg
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24020307 ist kein
> straßenbegleitender Gehweg, weil da keine Straße ist.
> Der Weg sieht so aus:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/vjphnpoauz850vi/Fidelio_W03_sm.JPG?dl=0
> Links die öffentliche Grünfläche mit Hecke, dahinter eine Sitzbank und zwei
> Bäume drauf.
> Von der anderen Seite sieht das so aus:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/g9r0omwc3c5esx2/Fidelio_W04_sm.JPG?dl=0
> Links der erwähnte Weg, rechts der straßenbegleitende Gehweg der
> Figarostraße.
> Um diesen Weg von der Wendeplatte aus zu erreichen, muss man nicht
> den Gehweg der Fideliostraße benutzen sondern kann direkt von der
> Wendeplatte aus da drauf:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ktp0w5q0r56msf/Fidelio_W01_sm.JPG?dl=0
> und
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4k0ogryoq79hpsv/Fidelio_W02_sm.JPG?dl=0
> Am Ende des Wegs muss man dann einen Gehweg queren, so wie das an
> jeder Grundstückseinfahrt und auch an Überwegen der Fall ist.
> 
> 
> Der zweite Weg https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/119519407 , von der
> Wendeplatte nach Süden, ist eigentlich gar kein Weg. Von der Wendeplatte
> aus muss man den Gehweg der Figarostraße queren und die beiden
> Bordsteine überwinden:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m36yj06dj9eoafy/Fidelio_S01_sm.JPG?dl=0
> und
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cn15i46ln65t8cw/Fidelio_S02_sm.JPG?dl=0
> Es ist auch hier nicht notwendig, den Gehweg entlang der Wendeplatte zu
> benutzen, man kann direkt von dieser neben der Leitplanke
> drüberhoppeln, wenn dort frei ist.
> 
> 
> 
> Conclusio, und das deckt sich mit dem Tenor der Diskussion der Stuttgarter
> Community am letzten Stammtisch:
> Beide in Frage stehenden Wegebeziehungen sind keine ausgewiesene
> Radverkehrsführung und auch sicherlich keine Routenempfehlung für
> Radfahrende.
> Es liegt jedoch kein explizites Verbot vor, §2 Abs. 1 StVO greift nicht, weil
> hier jeweils keine Fahrbahn existiert, die zu benutzen wäre und auch keine
> andere verbotsbegründende Rechtsverordnung bekannt ist. Also nichts,
> was ein bicycle=no rechtfertigt.
> 
> 
> >ich würde ggf. permissive taggen falls ich da regelmäßig durchfahren
> >würde
> 
> 

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Plan de village

[Cédric Frayssinet]

Le 02/05/2018 à 11:54, JB a écrit :
> Bonjour,
> Je partage la carte de village que j'ai créée :
> http://randocarto.fr/demo/SaintGeorges_A1_300dpi.png
> En bricolant un peu, c'est à reproduire ailleurs. Les outils sont mis
> à disposition ici : https://github.com/JBacc1/Village_map


C'est très chouette !

Éventuellement, il manquerait juste un cadre sur la carte délimitant le
Centre-Bourg qui est en zoom à gauche et supprimer les petites flèches
du nom de rues puisqu'on les a sur le zoom ; enfin, c'est mon avis :)


> Pour se faire une idée, il y a quelques dizaines d'heures de travail,
> entre amélioration des données OSM, transformation des données brutes
> vers quelques chose de plus fin pour le rendu, mise en page finale…
> Comme pour les autres cartes papier, ce n'est pas du prêt à rendre.
> Bidouillages à prévoir.

Cela veut donc dire que si on te donne un village, tu ne peux pas nous
faire la même chose, dommage ^^

Cédric


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> JB.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Plan de village

[Nicolas Moyroud]

JB l'artisan de la cartographie qui nous produit des beaux petits rendus 
façonnés à la main avec amour ! Mon ami tes cartes sentent bon le pétrin 
d'antan comme ta boulangerie. ;-)


Au plaisir de te retrouver à Pessac pour nous présenter tout ça.

Nicolas

Le 02/05/2018 à 17:17, Vincent de Château-Thierry a écrit :

Bonjour,


De: "Cyrille DERORY" 
Le 2 mai 2018 à 11:54, JB < jb...@mailoo.org > a écrit :

Je partage la carte de village que j'ai créée :
http://randocarto.fr/demo/SaintGeorges_A1_300dpi.png

(...)

Voilà voilà,

Bravo bravo ;)
Tu nous montre ça "en vrai" dans un mois à Pessac ?





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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Plan de village

[Vincent de Château-Thierry]

Bonjour,

> De: "Cyrille DERORY" 
> Le 2 mai 2018 à 11:54, JB < jb...@mailoo.org > a écrit :
> 
> Je partage la carte de village que j'ai créée :
> http://randocarto.fr/demo/SaintGeorges_A1_300dpi.png
(...)
> Voilà voilà,

Bravo bravo ;)
Tu nous montre ça "en vrai" dans un mois à Pessac ?

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Re: [OSM-talk] How INSPIRE data are sold in your countries

[James]

Canada: Canvec data is free from NRCan

On Wed, May 2, 2018, 11:13 AM Honza Cibulka,  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am in the middle of court proceedings related to prices which Czech
> state GIS authority asks for INSPIRE data (for context, it´s about hundreds
> of thousands Euro for altimetry dataset, which is basically off reach for
> anyone).
>
>
>
> I want to know what is common practice among other EU countries, how your
> governments are setting prices of state-created GIS data, and how
> restrictive licensing terms are (our license basically forbids use of state
> data to create OSM).
>
>
>
> Of course I know that British Ordnance Survey maps are free for download,
> but I need more examples, preferable from countries with legal systems
> similar to us, like Slovakia, Germany, Austria, Hungary, Poland, Spain and
> others...
>
>
>
> Thanks for all info you could send me.
>
>
>
> Jan Cibulka
>
> tel.: +420 776 307 158
>
> datastory.cz
>
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[OSM-talk] How INSPIRE data are sold in your countries

[Honza Cibulka]

Hello,

I am in the middle of court proceedings related to prices which Czech state
GIS authority asks for INSPIRE data (for context, it´s about hundreds of
thousands Euro for altimetry dataset, which is basically off reach for
anyone).

 

I want to know what is common practice among other EU countries, how your
governments are setting prices of state-created GIS data, and how
restrictive licensing terms are (our license basically forbids use of state
data to create OSM). 

 

Of course I know that British Ordnance Survey maps are free for download,
but I need more examples, preferable from countries with legal systems
similar to us, like Slovakia, Germany, Austria, Hungary, Poland, Spain and
others...

 

Thanks for all info you could send me.

 

Jan Cibulka

tel.: +420 776 307 158

  datastory.cz

 

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Plan de village

[Cyrille DERORY]

Bonjour,

merci pour le travail et cela fait d'autant plus plaisir de voir le
lieu-dit "Rory" sur la carte quand l'origine de mon patronyme vient de cet
endroit.

Cyrille Derory

Le 2 mai 2018 à 11:54, JB  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
> Je partage la carte de village que j'ai créée :
> http://randocarto.fr/demo/SaintGeorges_A1_300dpi.png
> En bricolant un peu, c'est à reproduire ailleurs. Les outils sont mis à
> disposition ici : https://github.com/JBacc1/Village_map
> Pour se faire une idée, il y a quelques dizaines d'heures de travail,
> entre amélioration des données OSM, transformation des données brutes vers
> quelques chose de plus fin pour le rendu, mise en page finale… Comme pour
> les autres cartes papier, ce n'est pas du prêt à rendre. Bidouillages à
> prévoir.
> Voilà voilà,
> JB.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

[Adam Snape]

As long as we're dealing with advisory signs erected by an official body
rather than a vigilante neighborhood busybody, I think the
maxspeed:advisory= tag would be appropriate.

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Re: [Talk-de] Gehweg kurzes Stück nicht straßenbegleitend, oder path ohne Widmung?

[Peilscheibe]

On 27.04.2018 22:19, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> Aber da die durchfahrt zwischen der Figaro und Fideliostraße mit dem Rad
>> zu verbieten fühlt sich genauso kaputt an.
> m.E. ist es verboten,

An anderer Stelle in der Diskussion wurde der Begriff "Gehweg" ins Spiel
gebracht. Es geht hier aber nicht darum, ob man auf Gehwegen mit dem Rad
fahren darf. Das darf man natürlich nicht, es sei denn, man ist ein
Kind, das das zehnte Lebensjahr noch nicht vollendet hat oder dessen
Begleitperson. Das ist übrigens de jure ein Unterschied zu einem
expliziten Verbot, repräsentiert in der Realität durch Zeichen 254 und
in OSM durch bicycle=no.


Wir stehen hier aber grundsätzlich der Frage gegenüber, wie man mit
allgemeinen Wegen in Wohngebieten umgeht, die kein straßenbegleitender
Gehweg sind. Das gibt es in "klein", wie hier, und in "groß", wo ganze
Wegenetze zwischen den Wohnanlagen zu finden sind.
Selbige finden wir hier in Stuttgart (aber sicher auch anderswo) sowohl
mit als auch ohne verkehrsbeschränkende Beschilderung vor.

Weil erlaubt, was nicht verboten ist, darf man auf allgemeinen Wegen,
die nicht beschildert sind, auch mit dem Rad fahren. [1]
Bordsteine sind übrigens kein juristisches Hindernis für Fahrräder.


Wir kommen zu den Details.
Im konkreten Fall handelt es sich um eine Sackgasse, für die von der
Straßenverkehrsbehörde keine Aussage zur Weiterführung einzelner
Verkehrsarten gemacht wurde - am östlichen Ende der Fideliostraße ist
ein Zeichen 357 angebracht:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildtafel_der_Verkehrszeichen_in_der_Bundesrepublik_Deutschland_seit_2017#/media/File:Zeichen_357_-_Sackgasse,_StVO_1992.svg
und
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6autcht6a2q7g75/Fidelio_Beschilderung_sm.JPG?dl=0

Die Fideliostraße führt von dort zu einer Wendefläche, die in OSM durch
einen Node repräsentiert ist. Von dieser Wendefläche geht in westlicher
Richtung ein Weg ab, der zwischen einer öffentlichen Grünanlage und
Privatgrundstücken entlang führt. Dieser Weg
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24020307 ist kein straßenbegleitender
Gehweg, weil da keine Straße ist.
Der Weg sieht so aus:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vjphnpoauz850vi/Fidelio_W03_sm.JPG?dl=0
Links die öffentliche Grünfläche mit Hecke, dahinter eine Sitzbank und
zwei Bäume drauf.
Von der anderen Seite sieht das so aus:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g9r0omwc3c5esx2/Fidelio_W04_sm.JPG?dl=0
Links der erwähnte Weg, rechts der straßenbegleitende Gehweg der
Figarostraße.
Um diesen Weg von der Wendeplatte aus zu erreichen, muss man nicht den
Gehweg der Fideliostraße benutzen sondern kann direkt von der
Wendeplatte aus da drauf:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ktp0w5q0r56msf/Fidelio_W01_sm.JPG?dl=0 und
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4k0ogryoq79hpsv/Fidelio_W02_sm.JPG?dl=0
Am Ende des Wegs muss man dann einen Gehweg queren, so wie das an jeder
Grundstückseinfahrt und auch an Überwegen der Fall ist.


Der zweite Weg https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/119519407 , von der
Wendeplatte nach Süden, ist eigentlich gar kein Weg. Von der Wendeplatte
aus muss man den Gehweg der Figarostraße queren und die beiden
Bordsteine überwinden:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/m36yj06dj9eoafy/Fidelio_S01_sm.JPG?dl=0 und
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cn15i46ln65t8cw/Fidelio_S02_sm.JPG?dl=0
Es ist auch hier nicht notwendig, den Gehweg entlang der Wendeplatte zu
benutzen, man kann direkt von dieser neben der Leitplanke drüberhoppeln,
wenn dort frei ist.



Conclusio, und das deckt sich mit dem Tenor der Diskussion der
Stuttgarter Community am letzten Stammtisch:
Beide in Frage stehenden Wegebeziehungen sind keine ausgewiesene
Radverkehrsführung und auch sicherlich keine Routenempfehlung für
Radfahrende.
Es liegt jedoch kein explizites Verbot vor, §2 Abs. 1 StVO greift nicht,
weil hier jeweils keine Fahrbahn existiert, die zu benutzen wäre und
auch keine andere verbotsbegründende Rechtsverordnung bekannt ist. Also
nichts, was ein bicycle=no rechtfertigt.


>ich würde ggf. permissive taggen falls ich da regelmäßig durchfahren
>würde

permissive: "Der Eigentümer duldet die öffentliche Benutzung. Die
Erlaubnis oder Duldung kann der Eigentümer jedoch jederzeit widerrufen."

Das passt nicht für öffentliche Wege.


Grüße, P.


[1] Die Aussage eines zu einem ähnlichen Fall befragten Fachanwalts für
Verkehrsrecht lautete sinngemäß: Am Ende steht immer ein
Einzelfallurteil eines Gerichts, aber bis dahin darf der Bürger davon
ausgehen, dass er öffentliche Wege benutzen darf, wenn sie ihm nicht
explizit verboten sind.


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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] May Meeting

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

Just a reminder we are NOT meeting tomorrow but the following Thursday May
10th. May I suggest Knowle/Dorridge (rail station in Dorridge for those
arriving by public transport) in Solihull and meetup in the Red Lion Knowle
for 8pm?

Let me know if you're intending to attend

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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

[David Woolley]

On 02/05/18 13:03, Craig Wallace wrote:
A 20 sign with a green circle is advisory. A 20 sign with a red circle 
is a legal limit.

Some advisory limits are signed as "Slow zone" or similar.


Advisory signs can be put up with no formality.  Legal speed limits 
require a traffic regulation order, with the associated public 
announcements and public consultation periods.  That's the main reason 
you are likely to see advisory signs.


In another thread, on a different forum, this came up for cycle lanes. 
A lot of UK cycle lanes are advisory, meaning cars can park on them with 
impunity, so they are often of limited use.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

[SK53]

I think they are popular in Flintshire around schools. I was certainly
somewhat disconcerted by them when I first encountered them.

It occurs to me that it may be worth mapping these because of their obvious
intent to confuse, but only using highway=traffic_sign.

Jerry

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> On 2018-05-02 14:03, Craig Wallace wrote:
>
> A 20 sign with a green circle is advisory.
>
>
> Such signs have apparently no legal status whatsoever.
>
> See this FoI request:
> https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/20_mph_speed_limit_signs_with_gr
>
> There may be a difference in liability, if you exceed an advised max speed
> and have a crash as a result of that, you have some explaining to do. A
> sign with no legal standing whatsoever surely cannot be used in this
> context.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

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On 2018-05-02 14:03, Craig Wallace wrote:

> A 20 sign with a green circle is advisory.

Such signs have apparently no legal status whatsoever. 

See this FoI request: 
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/20_mph_speed_limit_signs_with_gr 

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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

[Tobias Zwick]

Hey Phil

The quest pin is still in your application's cache. The app downloaded
the quest more than 8 months ago.
In any case, no need to worry. In case you solve a quest that turns out
to be outdated (=there is a conflict with actual data), it will discard
that answer and invalidate the cache of the area. You can manually
invalidate the cache in the settings.

For more information, see here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete/FAQ#How_does_the_app_handle_uploads.3F

Cheers
Tobias

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> Tobias
> A quick question on speedlimit quests in Street Complete. I have
> attached a screenshot of an area showing some missing speed limits.
> 
> The problem is they are mapped, for example Bynner Street
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/48394860
> 
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[Talk-GB] A few too many icons at The Tower of London

[Dave F]

Hi

In the latest OSM-Carto upgrade an icon was added for historic=castle.

Which highlights a bit of a problem with the tagging of The Tower of 
London (1)


The walls are split individually as the turrets have names.

Most of those tags are duplicated with an building=castle.

 I think there should be one historic=castle on the perimeter object 
(2) & have building=castle on any internal structures


This follows the same tagging model as schools etc.

Any better suggestions?

DaveF

(1) https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/369139030#map=18/51.50799/-0.07589
(2) https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/370870741








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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

[Craig Wallace]

On 2018-05-02 11:53, Jez Nicholson wrote:
Oh, this is fun. So, correct me if i'm wrong: a "20 mph zone" doesn't 
have/need repeaters because it is not actually the legal speed limit. 
It is advisory to travel at that speed because traffic calming makes 
it hard not to.


A 20 sign with a green circle is advisory. A 20 sign with a red circle 
is a legal limit.

Some advisory limits are signed as "Slow zone" or similar.

It seems some of the advisory 20mph are now being replaced with legal 
limits.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

[Philip Barnes]

Single or dual carriageway has nothing to do with restricted access. It is 
whether or not each direction is a different physically separate carriageway. 
The division can be a strip of grass.

Phil (trigpoint) 

On 2 May 2018 12:34:56 BST, Tobias Zwick  wrote:
>Also,
>
>6. Did you come up with the term "restricted" or is the term actually
>used within the same context as single / dual carriageway in the UK
>legislation? Because, that term is usually used for quite another thing
>in OSM context (restricted access roads). But, as long as the nsl_*
>taggings in themselves are consistent (in that they use the terms from
>the UK legislation), that's fine, I guess. Otherwise, we should perhaps
>look for a more fitting name before I cast it into code.
>
>Tobias
>
>On 01/05/2018 20:19, Jason Cunningham wrote:
>> I had a bit of an interest in tagging speed limits a few years back.
>> It's way more complicated than it should be in the UK. Researching
>led
>> me down a bit of a rabbit hole of legislation & case law.
>> 
>> I made the following personal notes about UK limits and how to
>recognise
>> them, which I think is mostly correct.
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Jamicu/UK_Speed_Limits
>> 
>> I personally tagged restricted roads as 
>maxspeed:type=UK:nsl_restricted
>> 
>> All a bit of a mess though.
>> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

[Adam Snape]

Restricted Road is the correct formal term for roads where the default
30mph limit applies. That said, it is not a term that most people will
recognise (unlike single/dual carriageway).

Adam

On Wed, 2 May 2018, 12:36 Tobias Zwick,  wrote:

> Also,
>
> 6. Did you come up with the term "restricted" or is the term actually
> used within the same context as single / dual carriageway in the UK
> legislation? Because, that term is usually used for quite another thing
> in OSM context (restricted access roads). But, as long as the nsl_*
> taggings in themselves are consistent (in that they use the terms from
> the UK legislation), that's fine, I guess. Otherwise, we should perhaps
> look for a more fitting name before I cast it into code.
>
> Tobias
>
> On 01/05/2018 20:19, Jason Cunningham wrote:
> > I had a bit of an interest in tagging speed limits a few years back.
> > It's way more complicated than it should be in the UK. Researching led
> > me down a bit of a rabbit hole of legislation & case law.
> >
> > I made the following personal notes about UK limits and how to recognise
> > them, which I think is mostly correct.
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Jamicu/UK_Speed_Limits
> >
> > I personally tagged restricted roads as  maxspeed:type=UK:nsl_restricted
> >
> > All a bit of a mess though.
> >
> > Jason
> >
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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

[Tobias Zwick]

Also,

6. Did you come up with the term "restricted" or is the term actually
used within the same context as single / dual carriageway in the UK
legislation? Because, that term is usually used for quite another thing
in OSM context (restricted access roads). But, as long as the nsl_*
taggings in themselves are consistent (in that they use the terms from
the UK legislation), that's fine, I guess. Otherwise, we should perhaps
look for a more fitting name before I cast it into code.

Tobias

On 01/05/2018 20:19, Jason Cunningham wrote:
> I had a bit of an interest in tagging speed limits a few years back.
> It's way more complicated than it should be in the UK. Researching led
> me down a bit of a rabbit hole of legislation & case law.
> 
> I made the following personal notes about UK limits and how to recognise
> them, which I think is mostly correct.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Jamicu/UK_Speed_Limits
> 
> I personally tagged restricted roads as  maxspeed:type=UK:nsl_restricted
> 
> All a bit of a mess though.
> 
> Jason
> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

[David Woolley]

On 02/05/18 12:06, Adam Snape wrote:
Sorry, for clarity, both '20 mph zones' and '20mph limits' are actual 
legal limits, not just advisory. In the former case, the sign on entry 
to the zone coupled with the traffic calming is thought to be enough to 
make drivers aware of the reduced speed required.


The traffic calming does not effectively reduce the speed to 20mph. 
What tends to happen is that vehicles accelerate to about 40mph between 
humps, then slam on the brakes.  It needs to be, and is, a legal limit, 
even though the police will rarely measure and enforce speeds on such roads.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

[John Aldridge]

On 02-May-18 11:55, Philip Barnes wrote:



I believe it's DoT policy not to allow 30mph repeaters (at least,
someone told me that).


True for roads with street lighting, but quite common, and required, on 30 mph 
roads with no street lights.


Ah, yes, thank you (both) for the clarification. And, for completeness, 
here's the reference



http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/10/made



http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/10/part/4/paragraph/2/made


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Re: [Talk-de] Geoportal Wiesbaden WMS

[Matthias Gutjahr]

Hi Joachim,

vielen Dank! Bin gespannt auf die Antwort.

Viele Grüße
Matthias

Am 2. Mai 2018 um 11:59 schrieb Joachim Kast :

> Hallo Matthias,
>
> ich habe mit dem Vermessungsamt der Stadt Wiesbaden telefoniert und eine
> "offizielle" Anfrage für das DOP gestellt.
>
> Viele Grüße
> Joachim  (Ansprechpartner für Behörden)
>
>
> > Hallo,
> >
> > die Stadt Wiesbaden bietet schon seit knapp zwei Jahren auf ihrem
> Geoportal
> > unter dem Namen "OpenWIMap" WMS URLs für offenbar regelmäßig
> aktualisierte
> > Orthophotos u.ä. an unter einer CC BY-NC-SA Lizenz:
> > http://geoportal.wiesbaden.de/OpenWIMap.html . Soweit ich weiß, sind die
> > Bilder daher nicht fürs Mappen in OSM nutzbar.
> >
> > Es gibt aber Behörden, die explizit eine Ausnahme machen für OSM (z.B.
> > drüben in Main:
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mainz/amtliche_Daten_f%C3%BCr_OSM).
> >
> > Weiß jemand, wie diesbezüglich die Lage in Wiesbaden ist? Gab es
> vielleicht
> > schon eine Anfrage bei der Stadt? Ist da irgendwo etwas dokumentiert (auf
> > dieser Liste und im Forum habe ich bisher nichts gefunden)? Was kann man
> da
> > ggf. unternehmen?
> >
> > Viele Grüße
> > Matthias
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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

[Philip Barnes]

On 2 May 2018 11:53:20 BST, Jez Nicholson  wrote:
>Oh, this is fun. So, correct me if i'm wrong: a "20 mph zone" doesn't
>have/need repeaters because it is not actually the legal speed limit.
>It is
>advisory to travel at that speed because traffic calming makes it hard
>not
>to.

My local town centre has a 20 mph speed limit, but no traffic calming. Although 
its a medieval town so may be narrow street count? 

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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

[Adam Snape]

A 20 mph zone is a 20mph speed limit area. 20 mph repeater signs are judged
not to be necessary because the traffic calming measures physically limit
the speed of traffic.

A 20 mph limit simply imposed on an existing road without traffic calming
is deemed to require repeaters to differentiate it from a 30mph road.

On Wed, 2 May 2018, 11:54 Jez Nicholson,  wrote:

> Oh, this is fun. So, correct me if i'm wrong: a "20 mph zone" doesn't
> have/need repeaters because it is not actually the legal speed limit. It is
> advisory to travel at that speed because traffic calming makes it hard not
> to.
>
> On Wed, 2 May 2018 at 11:36 Adam Snape  wrote:
>
>> The school lights I'm aware of which refer to a maximum speed are
>> advisory rather than mandatory. The actual legal speed limit remains the
>> same.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Wed, 2 May 2018, 11:17 Brian Prangle,  wrote:
>>
>>> Just to further complicate matters there can also be conditional 20 mph
>>> speed limits on roads passing schools, so they're default 30mph unless the
>>> condition is met when they're 20 mph  - condition is usually flashing
>>> lights during school opening and closing times
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> On 1 May 2018 at 20:11, Tobias Zwick  wrote:
>>>
 Wow, this now is really helpful information! So good that you are on
 this list, this is exactly the kind of thing I was seeking when posting
 to here!
 Some replies and notes:

 1.
 > It even more common to believe that Restricted Roads are not NSL
 > roads. NSL Restricted Roads are a type of NSL road.

 How does it matter though? What does the keyword "NSL" imply?

 2. Also, what about dual carriageways (nsl_dual) that are lit? Will they
 then also default to 30 mph if there is no explicit sign that indeed one
 can go faster than that?

 3. So, from the document, I understand an "LSL for individual roads"
 would be "maxspeed:type=sign" translated to OSM while "LSL for zones"
 would be "maxspeed:type=GB:zoneXX" translated to OSM.
 I see in "OSM speak", we drop the "LSL" for these, but do not for the
 "NSL" stuff. General question, not directed specifically to you: Isn't
 that inconsistent?

 4. I see you use "UK:something". I think to use "GB:something" has
 somewhat established itself over UK by now, looking at taginfo. (Also,
 the ISO-3166 of United Kingdom is GB)

 5. I see you use "UK:zone_XX" instead of "UK:zoneXX". Also looking at
 taginfo, I think that the latter somewhat established itself over the
 former now: About 100,000 usages of XX:zoneYY, about 34,000 usages of
 XX:zone:YY and about 0 usages of XX:zone_YY

 ---

 By the way, offtopic this:
 Do not assume though that the UK is the only country with unnecesary
 complex maxspeed legislation. Look at this flow-chart created by Minh
 Nguyễn after researching this for Ohio, US: :-D

 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ohio/Map_features#Speed_limits

 Cheers
 Tobias

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 > I had a bit of an interest in tagging speed limits a few years back.
 > It's way more complicated than it should be in the UK. Researching led
 > me down a bit of a rabbit hole of legislation & case law.
 >
 > I made the following personal notes about UK limits and how to
 recognise
 > them, which I think is mostly correct.
 > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Jamicu/UK_Speed_Limits
 >
 > I personally tagged restricted roads as
 maxspeed:type=UK:nsl_restricted
 >
 > All a bit of a mess though.
 >
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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

[Philip Barnes]

On 2 May 2018 11:46:35 BST, John Aldridge  wrote:
>On 01-May-18 16:29, Philip Barnes wrote:
>>> And yes, you may have to go back several roads before you see the
>>> speed limit sign. No all local authorities put up the repeater signs
>>> but that doesn't mean that the speed limit stops applying.
>> 
>> And 30mph limits don't need repeaters, for example it is possible to
>pass a 30mph limit outside Glenfield and certainly get several miles
>across the city without seeing another sign.
>
>I believe it's DoT policy not to allow 30mph repeaters (at least, 
>someone told me that).
>
True for roads with street lighting, but quite common, and required, on 30 mph 
roads with no street lights. 

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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

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On Wed, 2 May 2018, 11:47 John Aldridge,  wrote:

> I believe it's DoT policy not to allow 30mph repeaters (at least,
> someone told me that
>

This is correct on street lit where the 30mph limit would apply by default.
30mph repeaters can (and should) be used if a 30mph limit applies elsewhere.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

[Jez Nicholson]

Oh, this is fun. So, correct me if i'm wrong: a "20 mph zone" doesn't
have/need repeaters because it is not actually the legal speed limit. It is
advisory to travel at that speed because traffic calming makes it hard not
to.

On Wed, 2 May 2018 at 11:36 Adam Snape  wrote:

> The school lights I'm aware of which refer to a maximum speed are advisory
> rather than mandatory. The actual legal speed limit remains the same.
>
> Adam
>
> On Wed, 2 May 2018, 11:17 Brian Prangle,  wrote:
>
>> Just to further complicate matters there can also be conditional 20 mph
>> speed limits on roads passing schools, so they're default 30mph unless the
>> condition is met when they're 20 mph  - condition is usually flashing
>> lights during school opening and closing times
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On 1 May 2018 at 20:11, Tobias Zwick  wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, this now is really helpful information! So good that you are on
>>> this list, this is exactly the kind of thing I was seeking when posting
>>> to here!
>>> Some replies and notes:
>>>
>>> 1.
>>> > It even more common to believe that Restricted Roads are not NSL
>>> > roads. NSL Restricted Roads are a type of NSL road.
>>>
>>> How does it matter though? What does the keyword "NSL" imply?
>>>
>>> 2. Also, what about dual carriageways (nsl_dual) that are lit? Will they
>>> then also default to 30 mph if there is no explicit sign that indeed one
>>> can go faster than that?
>>>
>>> 3. So, from the document, I understand an "LSL for individual roads"
>>> would be "maxspeed:type=sign" translated to OSM while "LSL for zones"
>>> would be "maxspeed:type=GB:zoneXX" translated to OSM.
>>> I see in "OSM speak", we drop the "LSL" for these, but do not for the
>>> "NSL" stuff. General question, not directed specifically to you: Isn't
>>> that inconsistent?
>>>
>>> 4. I see you use "UK:something". I think to use "GB:something" has
>>> somewhat established itself over UK by now, looking at taginfo. (Also,
>>> the ISO-3166 of United Kingdom is GB)
>>>
>>> 5. I see you use "UK:zone_XX" instead of "UK:zoneXX". Also looking at
>>> taginfo, I think that the latter somewhat established itself over the
>>> former now: About 100,000 usages of XX:zoneYY, about 34,000 usages of
>>> XX:zone:YY and about 0 usages of XX:zone_YY
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> By the way, offtopic this:
>>> Do not assume though that the UK is the only country with unnecesary
>>> complex maxspeed legislation. Look at this flow-chart created by Minh
>>> Nguyễn after researching this for Ohio, US: :-D
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ohio/Map_features#Speed_limits
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Tobias
>>>
>>> On 01/05/2018 20:19, Jason Cunningham wrote:
>>> > I had a bit of an interest in tagging speed limits a few years back.
>>> > It's way more complicated than it should be in the UK. Researching led
>>> > me down a bit of a rabbit hole of legislation & case law.
>>> >
>>> > I made the following personal notes about UK limits and how to
>>> recognise
>>> > them, which I think is mostly correct.
>>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Jamicu/UK_Speed_Limits
>>> >
>>> > I personally tagged restricted roads as
>>> maxspeed:type=UK:nsl_restricted
>>> >
>>> > All a bit of a mess though.
>>> >
>>> > Jason
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

[John Aldridge]

On 01-May-18 16:29, Philip Barnes wrote:

And yes, you may have to go back several roads before you see the
speed limit sign. No all local authorities put up the repeater signs
but that doesn't mean that the speed limit stops applying.


And 30mph limits don't need repeaters, for example it is possible to pass a 
30mph limit outside Glenfield and certainly get several miles across the city 
without seeing another sign.


I believe it's DoT policy not to allow 30mph repeaters (at least, 
someone told me that).


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Re: [Talk-it] OSM e Wikipedia al Parco del Vulture 5 - 6 maggio

[Francesco Pelullo]

Praticamente è casa mia.
Salvo emergenze, potrei esserci.

Ciao
/niubii/


Il mer 2 mag 2018, 12:30 Alessandro Palmas 
ha scritto:

> Ciao lista,
> sabato 5 e domenica 6 maggio saremo in Basilicata a Monticchio Laghi (1),
> vicino a Rionero in Vulture per una due giorni dal titolo "*Voci e mappe
> libere nel Parco del Vulture"* durante i quali mapperemo i dintorni e
> miglioreremo voci Wikipedia di luoghi intorno al neonato Parco del Vulture.
> Saranno presenti anche soci CAI coi quali parleremo della mappatura della
> sentieristica.
>
> La partecipazione è gratuita ma è necessaria la registrazione a questo
> link (2)
>
> Qui sotto il programma delle giornate
>
> Alessandro Ale_Zena
>
> *Programma*
>
> Sabato 5 maggio
>
> ore 9.00-9.30 Presentazione Wikipedia (cosa è e come funziona)
> ore 9.30-10.00 Presentazione OpenStreetMap (cosa è e come funziona)
> In seguito ci sarà la suddivisione dei partecipanti tra chi sceglierà il
> percorso Wikipedia e chi sceglierà il percorso OpenStreetMap.
> ore 10.00-13.00 (percorso Wikipedia)
>  Introduzione a Wikipedia: come funziona, come si partecipa, come si
> costruisce insieme
> conoscenza libera
>  Creazione di nuovi contenuti in Wikipedia inerenti il Parco del Vulture.
> (Materiale bibliografico messo a disposizione del prof. Spicciarelli da
> consultare come guida e riferimento
> per la creazione di nuove voci).
> 10.00-13.00 (percorso OpenStreetMap)
>  Introduzione a OpenStreetMap: cosa è OSM, i dati geografici, come si
> gestiscono le mappe.
>  Inserimento di prime informazioni su openstreetmap.org (strade, chiese,
> etc.) I confini del parco.
>  Installazione e principi d'uso delle app Osmand e Wheelmap.
> ore 14.00-17.00 (percorso OpenStreetMap)  Breve uscita fuori porta per
> mappare alcune informazioni con la APP OsmAND e Wheelmap. Inserimento delle
> informazioni rilevate con lo smartphone su openstreetmap.org
>
> Domenica 6 maggio
>
> ore 9.00-13.00 (percorso OpenStreetMap) Suddivisione in gruppi per
> escursioni sul territorio: attraverso lo smartphone, si procederà alla
> geolocalizzazione e mappatura dei sentieri dell'area del Vulture, dei beni
> culturali, monumen-
> tali e archeologici del territorio
> ore 14.00-17.00 (percorso OpenStreetMap)  Rientro in aula e inserimento
> delle informazioni prese sul territorio all'interno della piattaforma
> openstreetmap.org.
>
>
> 1) https://osm.org/go/xc4Hwpl?m=
> 2) https://goo.gl/forms/uiQXKcKz3LIVsn713
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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

[Adam Snape]

The school lights I'm aware of which refer to a maximum speed are advisory
rather than mandatory. The actual legal speed limit remains the same.

Adam

On Wed, 2 May 2018, 11:17 Brian Prangle,  wrote:

> Just to further complicate matters there can also be conditional 20 mph
> speed limits on roads passing schools, so they're default 30mph unless the
> condition is met when they're 20 mph  - condition is usually flashing
> lights during school opening and closing times
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
> On 1 May 2018 at 20:11, Tobias Zwick  wrote:
>
>> Wow, this now is really helpful information! So good that you are on
>> this list, this is exactly the kind of thing I was seeking when posting
>> to here!
>> Some replies and notes:
>>
>> 1.
>> > It even more common to believe that Restricted Roads are not NSL
>> > roads. NSL Restricted Roads are a type of NSL road.
>>
>> How does it matter though? What does the keyword "NSL" imply?
>>
>> 2. Also, what about dual carriageways (nsl_dual) that are lit? Will they
>> then also default to 30 mph if there is no explicit sign that indeed one
>> can go faster than that?
>>
>> 3. So, from the document, I understand an "LSL for individual roads"
>> would be "maxspeed:type=sign" translated to OSM while "LSL for zones"
>> would be "maxspeed:type=GB:zoneXX" translated to OSM.
>> I see in "OSM speak", we drop the "LSL" for these, but do not for the
>> "NSL" stuff. General question, not directed specifically to you: Isn't
>> that inconsistent?
>>
>> 4. I see you use "UK:something". I think to use "GB:something" has
>> somewhat established itself over UK by now, looking at taginfo. (Also,
>> the ISO-3166 of United Kingdom is GB)
>>
>> 5. I see you use "UK:zone_XX" instead of "UK:zoneXX". Also looking at
>> taginfo, I think that the latter somewhat established itself over the
>> former now: About 100,000 usages of XX:zoneYY, about 34,000 usages of
>> XX:zone:YY and about 0 usages of XX:zone_YY
>>
>> ---
>>
>> By the way, offtopic this:
>> Do not assume though that the UK is the only country with unnecesary
>> complex maxspeed legislation. Look at this flow-chart created by Minh
>> Nguyễn after researching this for Ohio, US: :-D
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ohio/Map_features#Speed_limits
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tobias
>>
>> On 01/05/2018 20:19, Jason Cunningham wrote:
>> > I had a bit of an interest in tagging speed limits a few years back.
>> > It's way more complicated than it should be in the UK. Researching led
>> > me down a bit of a rabbit hole of legislation & case law.
>> >
>> > I made the following personal notes about UK limits and how to recognise
>> > them, which I think is mostly correct.
>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Jamicu/UK_Speed_Limits
>> >
>> > I personally tagged restricted roads as  maxspeed:type=UK:nsl_restricted
>> >
>> > All a bit of a mess though.
>> >
>> > Jason
>> >
>> >
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[Talk-it] OSM e Wikipedia al Parco del Vulture 5 - 6 maggio

[Alessandro Palmas]

  
  
Ciao lista,
sabato 5 e domenica 6 maggio saremo in Basilicata a Monticchio Laghi
(1), vicino a Rionero in Vulture per una due giorni dal titolo "Voci
  e mappe libere nel Parco del Vulture" durante i quali
mapperemo i dintorni e miglioreremo voci Wikipedia di luoghi intorno
al neonato Parco del Vulture.
Saranno presenti anche soci CAI coi quali parleremo della mappatura
della sentieristica.

La partecipazione è gratuita ma è necessaria la registrazione a
questo link (2)

Qui sotto il programma delle giornate

Alessandro Ale_Zena

Programma

Sabato 5 maggio

ore 9.00-9.30 Presentazione Wikipedia (cosa è e come funziona)
ore 9.30-10.00 Presentazione OpenStreetMap (cosa è e come funziona)
In seguito ci sarà la suddivisione dei partecipanti tra chi
sceglierà il percorso Wikipedia e chi sceglierà il percorso
OpenStreetMap.
ore 10.00-13.00 (percorso Wikipedia)
 Introduzione a Wikipedia: come funziona, come si partecipa, come si
costruisce insieme
conoscenza libera
 Creazione di nuovi contenuti in Wikipedia inerenti il Parco del
Vulture. (Materiale bibliografico messo a disposizione del prof.
Spicciarelli da consultare come guida e riferimento
per la creazione di nuove voci).
10.00-13.00 (percorso OpenStreetMap)
 Introduzione a OpenStreetMap: cosa è OSM, i dati geografici, come
si gestiscono le mappe.
 Inserimento di prime informazioni su openstreetmap.org (strade,
chiese, etc.) I confini del parco.
 Installazione e principi d'uso delle app Osmand e Wheelmap.
ore 14.00-17.00 (percorso OpenStreetMap)  Breve uscita fuori porta
per mappare alcune informazioni con la APP OsmAND e Wheelmap.
Inserimento delle informazioni rilevate con lo smartphone su
openstreetmap.org

Domenica 6 maggio

ore 9.00-13.00 (percorso OpenStreetMap) Suddivisione in gruppi per
escursioni sul territorio: attraverso lo smartphone, si procederà
alla
geolocalizzazione e mappatura dei sentieri dell'area del Vulture,
dei beni culturali, monumen-
tali e archeologici del territorio
ore 14.00-17.00 (percorso OpenStreetMap)  Rientro in aula e
inserimento delle informazioni prese sul territorio all'interno
della piattaforma openstreetmap.org.


1) https://osm.org/go/xc4Hwpl?m=
2) https://goo.gl/forms/uiQXKcKz3LIVsn713
  


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Re: [Talk-GB] Implicit speed limits: What to tag in built-up areas?

[Brian Prangle]

Just to further complicate matters there can also be conditional 20 mph
speed limits on roads passing schools, so they're default 30mph unless the
condition is met when they're 20 mph  - condition is usually flashing
lights during school opening and closing times

Regards

Brian

On 1 May 2018 at 20:11, Tobias Zwick  wrote:

> Wow, this now is really helpful information! So good that you are on
> this list, this is exactly the kind of thing I was seeking when posting
> to here!
> Some replies and notes:
>
> 1.
> > It even more common to believe that Restricted Roads are not NSL
> > roads. NSL Restricted Roads are a type of NSL road.
>
> How does it matter though? What does the keyword "NSL" imply?
>
> 2. Also, what about dual carriageways (nsl_dual) that are lit? Will they
> then also default to 30 mph if there is no explicit sign that indeed one
> can go faster than that?
>
> 3. So, from the document, I understand an "LSL for individual roads"
> would be "maxspeed:type=sign" translated to OSM while "LSL for zones"
> would be "maxspeed:type=GB:zoneXX" translated to OSM.
> I see in "OSM speak", we drop the "LSL" for these, but do not for the
> "NSL" stuff. General question, not directed specifically to you: Isn't
> that inconsistent?
>
> 4. I see you use "UK:something". I think to use "GB:something" has
> somewhat established itself over UK by now, looking at taginfo. (Also,
> the ISO-3166 of United Kingdom is GB)
>
> 5. I see you use "UK:zone_XX" instead of "UK:zoneXX". Also looking at
> taginfo, I think that the latter somewhat established itself over the
> former now: About 100,000 usages of XX:zoneYY, about 34,000 usages of
> XX:zone:YY and about 0 usages of XX:zone_YY
>
> ---
>
> By the way, offtopic this:
> Do not assume though that the UK is the only country with unnecesary
> complex maxspeed legislation. Look at this flow-chart created by Minh
> Nguyễn after researching this for Ohio, US: :-D
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ohio/Map_features#Speed_limits
>
> Cheers
> Tobias
>
> On 01/05/2018 20:19, Jason Cunningham wrote:
> > I had a bit of an interest in tagging speed limits a few years back.
> > It's way more complicated than it should be in the UK. Researching led
> > me down a bit of a rabbit hole of legislation & case law.
> >
> > I made the following personal notes about UK limits and how to recognise
> > them, which I think is mostly correct.
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Jamicu/UK_Speed_Limits
> >
> > I personally tagged restricted roads as  maxspeed:type=UK:nsl_restricted
> >
> > All a bit of a mess though.
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name:* tags in the local language

[Janko Mihelić]

pon, 30. tra 2018. u 08:28 Yuri Astrakhan  napisao
je:

>
> "official_language" is not a good tag name because it does not match the
> meaning, e.g. the official languages of Canada are both en & fr, but
> "name"
> tag is always in English except for Quebec, where it is in French.
>

 I agree that "official_language" has a much too restrictive meaning. It
will bury us in bureaucracy of "what is actually official".
"default_language" is a bit vague, but maybe a better fit to solve this
problem.

So just look at a region, see in what language >90% of the labels are, and
add default_language=*. It's not going to be 100% accurate, but infinitely
better then nothing. Than try to get closer to 100% by adding
default_language to subregions, and in the end, individual objects.

I like that approach.

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Re: [OSM-ja] 高速道路の定義について(まとめページ)

[Ras and Road]

Ras and Road です。

hayashiさん、
まず、私の投稿で不快な思いをさせたようで、お詫びします。
決して挑発したり茶化すような意図はないのですが、配慮が足りていなかったようです。申し訳ありませんでした。

私が確認したかったのは、
motorwayを自動車専用道路から高速道路ナンバリングされた道路へ変更することにより、歩行者・自転車・小型二輪ユーザーが利用するであろうルーティング機能へあらわれる影響について、
それが推定なのか、それとも事実（または事実の伝聞）なのか、です。

hayashiさんとのやりとり、ならびにGraphHopperやその他のルーティング機能を試してみて、
motorwayを自動車専用道路から高速道路ナンバリングされた道路へ変更しても、同時にaccess=*を正しく設定すれば影響はなさそうだと考えるようになりました。
とは言え、所詮は十件程度の確認ですので不十分かも知れません。一人で考えていても仕方がないのでこの場で質問した経緯です。（前回、ここまで書けば誤解は招かなかったでしょうか）

もうひとつ、
あまのさんのhayashiさんへの4/24の質問についてお聞きしました。4/15分ではありません。
以下に引用しますので、あらためて確認いただけますか。

> >「自動車専用道路」は「国で最高品質の道路」とみなすことができます。
> > また、「自動車専用道路」という言葉には２つの意味がありますが実体は同じですので、標識にアクセス制限の意味があるからと言っても道路品質が担保していないということにはなりえません。
> > また、日本の法令上、"いわゆる「高速道路」ならば「自動車専用道路」である"という論理が成立しますので、、定義が曖昧な「いわゆる高速道路」よりも、定義がはっきりしていて識別が簡単な「自動車専用道路」
>
> この部分が、私にはどうしてもわかりません。
> このように成り立つ、根拠法令、施行規則、通達その他を具体的に取り上げて述べて頂けないでしょうか？

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Re: [Talk-de] Geoportal Wiesbaden WMS

[Joachim Kast]

Hallo Matthias,

ich habe mit dem Vermessungsamt der Stadt Wiesbaden telefoniert und eine
"offizielle" Anfrage für das DOP gestellt.

Viele Grüße
Joachim  (Ansprechpartner für Behörden)


> Hallo,
> 
> die Stadt Wiesbaden bietet schon seit knapp zwei Jahren auf ihrem Geoportal
> unter dem Namen "OpenWIMap" WMS URLs für offenbar regelmäßig aktualisierte
> Orthophotos u.ä. an unter einer CC BY-NC-SA Lizenz:
> http://geoportal.wiesbaden.de/OpenWIMap.html . Soweit ich weiß, sind die
> Bilder daher nicht fürs Mappen in OSM nutzbar.
> 
> Es gibt aber Behörden, die explizit eine Ausnahme machen für OSM (z.B.
> drüben in Main:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mainz/amtliche_Daten_f%C3%BCr_OSM).
> 
> Weiß jemand, wie diesbezüglich die Lage in Wiesbaden ist? Gab es vielleicht
> schon eine Anfrage bei der Stadt? Ist da irgendwo etwas dokumentiert (auf
> dieser Liste und im Forum habe ich bisher nichts gefunden)? Was kann man da
> ggf. unternehmen?
> 
> Viele Grüße
> Matthias

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[OSM-talk-fr] Plan de village

[JB]

Bonjour,
Je partage la carte de village que j'ai créée : 
http://randocarto.fr/demo/SaintGeorges_A1_300dpi.png
En bricolant un peu, c'est à reproduire ailleurs. Les outils sont mis à 
disposition ici : https://github.com/JBacc1/Village_map
Pour se faire une idée, il y a quelques dizaines d'heures de travail, 
entre amélioration des données OSM, transformation des données brutes 
vers quelques chose de plus fin pour le rendu, mise en page finale… 
Comme pour les autres cartes papier, ce n'est pas du prêt à rendre. 
Bidouillages à prévoir.

Voilà voilà,
JB.

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Re: [Talk-cz] FOto rozcestníků nejde nahrát

[Miroslav Suchy]

Dne 2.5.2018 v 10:01 majka napsal(a):
> U těch 10 MB se dostáváme u 100% kvality JPG na velikost 8000x6000 pixelů. 
> Opravdu to někdo bude tisknout na skoro
> metrovou fotku?

Tisknout ne. Ale když je ten rozcestník vyfocen z trošku větší vzdálenosti 
(nejde se k němu blíže dostat, autor chce aby
byla vidět ukočující značka o metr níže) tak pak nejdou přečíst refy. Už 
jsem viděl i fotky, kde jsem nemohl přečíst
ani ta velká písmena na směrovníku.

Mirek

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Re: [Talk-it] Via Lucis

[liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu]

On 02/05/18 10:49, demon.box wrote:

liste_girarsi wrote

support=wall


perchè support=wall ? io farei support=wall_mounted in quanto è un quadro
attaccato al muro e non fissato in cima al muro, non credi?

--enrico


Sì è giusto come dici, avevo scritto di fretta e non ricordavo il valore 
support.



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Re: [Talk-cz] Prušánky

[Milan Cerny]

To je zase nadělení, tentokrát dalece přesahující Prušánky a okolí.

Mohl by prosím někdo revertnout tento chset?

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/58604007#map=15/50.0690/14.4628

Zbořená křižovatka u Edenu, jestli se to dostane do navigací, tak potěš...

Moc díky.

Milan


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> Od: Marián Kyral 
> Komu: "OpenStreetMap Czech Republic" 
> Datum: 02.05.2018 10:02
> Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Prušánky
>
>Napsal jsem k tomu changesetu komentář. Ale moc si od něj neslibuji.
>
>Marián
>
>-- Původní e-mail --
>Od: Marián Kyral 
>Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
>Datum: 2. 5. 2018 9:29:11
>Předmět: [Talk-cz] Prušánky
>"A jéje :-(
>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/58603761
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Via Lucis

[demon.box]

liste_girarsi wrote
> support=wall

perchè support=wall ? io farei support=wall_mounted in quanto è un quadro
attaccato al muro e non fissato in cima al muro, non credi?

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Re: [Talk-cz] Prušánky

[Marián Kyral]

Tak ten první to asi bude:
http://www.hodnoceniucitelu.cz/ucitel/pavel-janecek-9517/

Marián

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"Koukám, že mají nový web. https://www.zakladniskolaprusanky.cz/kontakty/

Můžeš zkusit napsat těm dvěma učitelům co učí na druhém stupni. Jeden z nich
to bude. Případně bude vědět, na koho se obrátit.

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Obávám se že stále bude situace bez jakékoliv odpovědi. Nejlepší způsob asi
bude každému editorovi poslat zprávu, changeset koment se žádostí na
kontaktní informaci na pana učitele. Spousta editací jsou blbosti, ale najde
se i pár co opravdu něco přidá. Takže za mně je ideální sbírat jména useru
na revert ale zároveň každému napsat ( copypaste ) text kde požádáme o mail,
tel. ... whatever na pana učitele co je v OSM vzdělává.




st 2. 5. 2018 v 10:16 odesílatel Marián Kyral  napsal:

"
Zkus.
loni jsme zkoušeli email - bez odpovědi.

Marián

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A napsat/zavolat do tý školy? Takhle pokrokovej učitel informatiky tam bude
imho jenom jeden a s nim se půjde domluvit.

 



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Napsal jsem k tomu changesetu komentář. Ale moc si od něj neslibuji.

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A jéje :-(

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/58603761
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Koukám, že mají nový web. https://www.zakladniskolaprusanky.cz/kontakty/

Můžeš zkusit napsat těm dvěma učitelům co učí na druhém stupni. Jeden z nich
to bude. Případně bude vědět, na koho se obrátit.

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"
Obávám se že stále bude situace bez jakékoliv odpovědi. Nejlepší způsob asi
bude každému editorovi poslat zprávu, changeset koment se žádostí na
kontaktní informaci na pana učitele. Spousta editací jsou blbosti, ale najde
se i pár co opravdu něco přidá. Takže za mně je ideální sbírat jména useru
na revert ale zároveň každému napsat ( copypaste ) text kde požádáme o mail,
tel. ... whatever na pana učitele co je v OSM vzdělává.




st 2. 5. 2018 v 10:16 odesílatel Marián Kyral  napsal:

"
Zkus.
loni jsme zkoušeli email - bez odpovědi.

Marián

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A napsat/zavolat do tý školy? Takhle pokrokovej učitel informatiky tam bude
imho jenom jeden a s nim se půjde domluvit.

 



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 Sent: středa 2. května 2018 10:02
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Napsal jsem k tomu changesetu komentář. Ale moc si od něj neslibuji.

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A jéje :-(

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/58603761
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Obávám se že stále bude situace bez jakékoliv odpovědi. Nejlepší způsob asi
bude každému editorovi poslat zprávu, changeset koment se žádostí na
kontaktní informaci na pana učitele. Spousta editací jsou blbosti, ale
najde se i pár co opravdu něco přidá. Takže za mně je ideální sbírat jména
useru na revert ale zároveň každému napsat ( copypaste ) text kde požádáme
o mail, tel. ... whatever na pana učitele co je v OSM vzdělává.

st 2. 5. 2018 v 10:16 odesílatel Marián Kyral  napsal:

> Zkus.
> loni jsme zkoušeli email - bez odpovědi.
>
> Marián
>
> -- Původní e-mail --
> Od: Honza Cibulka 
> Komu: 'OpenStreetMap Czech Republic' 
> Datum: 2. 5. 2018 10:14:19
> Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Prušánky
>
> A napsat/zavolat do tý školy? Takhle pokrokovej učitel informatiky tam
> bude imho jenom jeden a s nim se půjde domluvit.
>
>
>
> *From:* Marián Kyral 
> *Sent:* středa 2. května 2018 10:02
> *To:* OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-cz] Prušánky
>
>
>
> Napsal jsem k tomu changesetu komentář. Ale moc si od něj neslibuji.
>
> Marián
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> Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
> Datum: 2. 5. 2018 9:29:11
> Předmět: [Talk-cz] Prušánky
>
> A jéje :-(
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/58603761
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Zkus.
loni jsme zkoušeli email - bez odpovědi.

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imho jenom jeden a s nim se půjde domluvit.

 



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 Sent: středa 2. května 2018 10:02
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Napsal jsem k tomu changesetu komentář. Ale moc si od něj neslibuji.

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A jéje :-(

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Re: [Talk-cz] FOto rozcestníků nejde nahrát

[Marián Kyral]

Ahoj,
v tomhle případě to nebyl rozcestník, ale informační tabule. A tam se každý
pixel počítá. Jinak nejdou malá písmenka přečíst ;-)

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On Wed, 2 May 2018 at 09:18, Marián Kyral  wrote:

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Tak jsme s Michalem nakonec zjistili, že se do configu php nedopatřením
dostalo omezení velikosti souboru pro upload na 8MB. Správně má být 10 MB,
to si formulář kontroluje.

"



Tedy, koukám jaký jsem troškař - fotky rozcestníků mám poslední dobou pod
0.5 MB. Fakt má smysl fotit a nahrávat specificky rozcestníky do takhle
velkých souborů? 



Fotka 2400x2400 pixelů (podle mě až extrém, většinou jen nahlížíme na
počítači) bude mít při barvách 24bit/pixel v JPG kvalitě 100%  asi 1.2 MB,
kvalitě 90% 600 KB. Vytisknout se dá v pohodě při dpi 300 na A4, tedy 20 x
20 cm, při polovičním dpi na dvojnásobnou velikost. I pro případné OCR by to
mělo být až dostatečné, daleko víc bude záležet na kvalitě fotky ohledně
zaostření, kontrastu a šumu.




U těch 10 MB se dostáváme u 100% kvality JPG na velikost 8000x6000 pixelů.
Opravdu to někdo bude tisknout na skoro metrovou fotku?






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Re: [Talk-cz] Prušánky

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Již se tak stalo, bez reakce.
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/2017-May/016908.html

st 2. 5. 2018 v 10:11 odesílatel Honza Cibulka  napsal:

> A napsat/zavolat do tý školy? Takhle pokrokovej učitel informatiky tam
> bude imho jenom jeden a s nim se půjde domluvit.
>
>
>
> *From:* Marián Kyral 
> *Sent:* středa 2. května 2018 10:02
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>
>
>
> Napsal jsem k tomu changesetu komentář. Ale moc si od něj neslibuji.
>
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Samozřejmě. Vždycky je toho víc. Zítra bude třeba další třída.
Počkal bych, až se vyřádí a pak to revertnul všechno najednou.

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Je toho víc




https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Johny%20Kl%C3%A1til/history
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Johny%20Kl%C3%A1til/history)

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Pedo_Opicka/history
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Pedo_Opicka/history)


https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Wenut/history
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Wenut/history)


https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%E2%99%A5%20NAYA%20%E2%99%A5/history
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%E2%99%A5%20NAYA%20%E2%99%A5/history)

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Ella
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Ella)☺☻♥♦♣♠•◘○/history




Honza






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A jéje :-(

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/58603761
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A napsat/zavolat do tý školy? Takhle pokrokovej učitel informatiky tam bude 
imho jenom jeden a s nim se půjde domluvit.

 

From: Marián Kyral  
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To: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
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Napsal jsem k tomu changesetu komentář. Ale moc si od něj neslibuji.

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A jéje :-(

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Napsal jsem k tomu changesetu komentář. Ale moc si od něj neslibuji.

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On Wed, 2 May 2018 at 09:18, Marián Kyral  wrote:

> Tak jsme s Michalem nakonec zjistili, že se do configu php nedopatřením
> dostalo omezení velikosti souboru pro upload na 8MB. Správně má být 10 MB,
> to si formulář kontroluje.
>

Tedy, koukám jaký jsem troškař - fotky rozcestníků mám poslední dobou pod
0.5 MB. Fakt má smysl fotit a nahrávat specificky rozcestníky do takhle
velkých souborů?

Fotka 2400x2400 pixelů (podle mě až extrém, většinou jen nahlížíme na
počítači) bude mít při barvách 24bit/pixel v JPG kvalitě 100%  asi 1.2 MB,
kvalitě 90% 600 KB. Vytisknout se dá v pohodě při dpi 300 na A4, tedy 20 x
20 cm, při polovičním dpi na dvojnásobnou velikost. I pro případné OCR by
to mělo být až dostatečné, daleko víc bude záležet na kvalitě fotky ohledně
zaostření, kontrastu a šumu.

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Je toho víc

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Johny%20Kl%C3%A1til/history
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Pedo_Opicka/history
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Wenut/history
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https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Ella☺☻♥♦♣♠•◘○/history

Honza


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[Talk-de] Geoportal Wiesbaden WMS

[Matthias Gutjahr]

Hallo,

die Stadt Wiesbaden bietet schon seit knapp zwei Jahren auf ihrem Geoportal
unter dem Namen "OpenWIMap" WMS URLs für offenbar regelmäßig aktualisierte
Orthophotos u.ä. an unter einer CC BY-NC-SA Lizenz:
http://geoportal.wiesbaden.de/OpenWIMap.html . Soweit ich weiß, sind die
Bilder daher nicht fürs Mappen in OSM nutzbar.

Es gibt aber Behörden, die explizit eine Ausnahme machen für OSM (z.B.
drüben in Main:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mainz/amtliche_Daten_f%C3%BCr_OSM).

Weiß jemand, wie diesbezüglich die Lage in Wiesbaden ist? Gab es vielleicht
schon eine Anfrage bei der Stadt? Ist da irgendwo etwas dokumentiert (auf
dieser Liste und im Forum habe ich bisher nichts gefunden)? Was kann man da
ggf. unternehmen?

Viele Grüße
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Re: [Talk-it] ZTL 'designated'

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sent from a phone

> On 2. May 2018, at 09:04, Federico Cortese  wrote:
> 
> +1, per tutte le ZTL che ho inserito ho usato sempre motor_vehicle=private
> più le specifiche eccezioni (disabled=yes, delivery=yes, ecc.).



si, ma in questo caso (consegne richiedono un’autorizzazione) non metterei 
delivery (è già compreso in motor_vehicle)


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[Marián Kyral]

A jéje :-(

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/58603761

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Re: [Talk-cz] FOto rozcestníků nejde nahrát

[Marián Kyral]

Tak jsme s Michalem nakonec zjistili, že se do configu php nedopatřením
dostalo omezení velikosti souboru pro upload na 8MB. Správně má být 10 MB,
to si formulář kontroluje.

Opraveno, prosím vyzkoušej.

Marián


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Prý nějaký problém php vs. databáze. Snad se to zítra povede zprovoznit.

Marián

Dne 1.5.2018 v 13:11 Marián Kyral napsal(a):

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Ahoj,
taky mi to nefunguje. Napsal jsem Michalovi. Uvidíme, kdy se k tomu dostane.

Marián

Dne 30.4.2018 v 21:40 Václav Kroupar napsal(a):

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Upload mi hlásí: Chyba serveru! Fotografii se nepodařilo uložit na server.
Detail: No bbox provided.

Fňuk, po dlouhé době jsem něco vyfotil a nemůžu se pochlubit




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Re: [Talk-it] ZTL 'designated'

[Federico Cortese]

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 10:27 PM Any File  wrote:

> Nel caso in questione, direi che in mancanza di meglio, access=private
> sia la cosa più utile e che meglio si avvicina a rappresentare la
> realtà (in fin dei conti serve un permesso del proprietario della
> strada)


motor_vehicle=private è più indicato, access=private preclude anche bici e
pedoni.

Ciao,
Federico

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Re: [Talk-it] ZTL 'designated'

[Federico Cortese]

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 11:29 Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

> access=designated non vuol dire niente, è sconsigliato, "designated" è un
valore per forme di movimento specifici, come "foot=designated",
"motor_vehicle=designated".
> Invece di description potresti usare il tag formale
"limited_traffic_zone".

> Per "diverse categorie quali taxi, veicoli per disabili, consegna merci
provvisti di autorizzazione, residenti provvisti di autorizzazione,
eventuali autorizzati ad hoc per il passaggio in data specifica da varchi
specifici."
> farei così:

> motor_vehicle=private (se le bici sono escluse dal divieto, bisogna
studiare il cartello)
> taxi=yes
> disabled=yes

> quindi il motor_vehicle=private già comprende tutti i casi delle
autorizzazioni, omce residenti, consegne, ad hoc, polizia ed altri
autorizzati delle pa, nettazza urbana, ecc. ecc.
> Probabilmente si vuole anche un psv=yes


+1, per tutte le ZTL che ho inserito ho usato sempre motor_vehicle=private
più le specifiche eccezioni (disabled=yes, delivery=yes, ecc.).

Ciao,
Federico

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