Re: [talk-au] Mass Edit Proposal - South Australia's Arterial Traffic Network

[Daniel O'Connor]

Sigh, here we go again.

Can't be stuffed registering to add comments on that thread.

This proposal goes against the "map what's on the ground" principles that
countless others have surveyed or made good faith judgement calls on.

I am unclear why we are still attempting to have any conversation about
this: previous efforts to map in the style proposed were to the point we
considered it nearly vandalism.
This only slightly changes the approach. I have no faith this materially
improves the map.

I don't want to be out on a bike ride and find misclassified tracks cutting
across private property from armchair mapping. I don't want to go for a
drive and end up routed down things that aren't residential streets because
a ghost record of a road that was never built is marked as residential in a
rural council's data set.

And most specifically for this dataset, I don't want trucks going down what
is at most a highway tertiary but is officially a highway secondary or
similar based on someone who *isn't in the government* trying to push a
government dataset as gospel, ignoring mapping efforts that have preceded
it.




On Sun, Mar 3, 2024, 6:05 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick 
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> Please have a look at
> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/mass-edit-proposal-south-australias-arterial-traffic-network/110006/2
> & comment if you wish.
>
> NB I am only posting this to get the word out, the proposal has nothing at
> all to do with me!
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [talk-au] Road corridors with no road - what access?

[Daniel O'Connor]

In SA, there are a number of "Unmade Road Reserves". Where it gets a bit
interesting is when someone either illegally fences it off; or applies for
it to be transferred to them via something like Roads (Opening and Closing)
Regulations 2021.

Generally, I've mapped these were there is a path, track or similar made by
people, and where there are gates/restrictions/similar; modelled what is
seen on the ground + left a note/sent email to various councils, who tend
to be terrible at replying.

You* could* map some of these as "highway: proposed" but there may not be
much value in it, since a lot of these have been around for decades and
never turned into roads or other access because it is impractical.

The UK has a similar problem.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access_provisions_in_the_United_Kingdom
https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/35408/rights-of-way-mapping-united-kingdom



On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:15 PM Adam Horan  wrote:

> When comparing satellite imagery and various maps on Vic Maps, you can
> find what seem to be road corridors that don't have roads in them. (I'm
> looking on https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/ and
> https://mapshare.vic.gov.au/mapsharevic/ and when you show parcel data
> you can see these linear areas that extend off the end of roads, usually in
> rural areas. These linear areas do not show parcel information, unlike the
> surrounding blocks)
>
> They tend to be visible in sat imagery too as scrubby or rougher land
> compared to the fields and paddocks around them.
>
> I would love to be able to legally (and safely) use these as walking and
> running routes in my  surrounding countryside, and also allow others to do
> so. They're attractive as they're traffic free.
>
> I'll link to some examples below, but I'll ask my questions here:
> 1. How can I validate if these are unbuilt roads, and how can I check what
> the access is?
> 1a. I guess as these aren't main roads that they belong to the local
> council?
> 2. If a path is already present then I can map that as a simple path, but
> how could I map and tag the land?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adam
>
> Example 1 :  Lambert Road, Pearcedale
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-38.1829/145.2334
> If you look on VicMap you can see the corridor extends to the west to meet
> with Middle Road.
> https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/#share=s-2TIhhoK5rNdNfc4m2WxVtMMraiG
> https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=-38.182821%7E145.233097=17.8=h
> This one seems pretty clear to me as there's a nice clear wooded line,
> when I recently passed this on Middle Rd you could see an unfenced section.
>
> Example 2 : NW extension of 'Favorite Hill Rd' to North Road
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-38.17566/145.23470
> https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/#share=s-5PIrhAi6EP5M1ivchIyH9lfyGxF
> https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=-38.174379%7E145.236276=17.3=h
>
> This one is visible on sat imagery, however it does seem to be fenced off
> from the established road.
>
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Re: [talk-au] How to efficiently improve AU address coverage?

[Daniel O'Connor]

While OSM doesn't have layers, https://openaddresses.io/ more or less acts
as the address layer. The datasets there aren't all ODBL, but they are
generally open. It includes GNAF. Given how frequently addresses update, to
keep it in sync with OSM would be pretty significant and hard to reconcile
with surveyed, on the ground data.

Getting addresses into OSM is useful for routing, etc, but there might be
more niche datasets that can be of value.

Maproulette is potentially a good way to generate *probably correct but
needs verification *data.
Are there questions you can frame that people can answer with remote
mapping?

IE:
Company X has said they will put solar on all of their stores by (date),
but there are no solar panels within 50m of (store.location)
Company Y shut down, is this store still open?
School area Z doesn't have any sports fields/buildings/etc - are there any
to be mapped?
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Re: [talk-au] VIC Traffic Lights MapRoulette import

[Daniel O'Connor]

https://maproulette.org/challenge/38490/task/155741018 seems a bit weird!

Is it possible to easily split the pedestrian crossings from traffic lights?
Some appear to just be "crossings" for example -
https://maproulette.org/challenge/38490/task/155740397 - no lights/etc.
Worth mapping, but a fair bit different!

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> I've prepared an import proposal at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/VIC_Traffic_Lights#Import_Data
> for missing traffic lights from DTP data.
>
> The import has been prepared as a MapRoulette challenge at
> https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/38490.
>
> Any feedback or issues appreciated.
>
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Re: [talk-au] listing of objects wikipedia/wikidata/etc tags with some problems

[Daniel O'Connor]

This seems useful. How often do your reports re-run? (manually?) Would be
good to chip away at issues and get a sense of progress.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 4:44 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au <
talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> I have created
> https://matkoniecz.github.io/OSM-wikipedia-tag-validator-reports/
> which lists OSM objects that have some problems requiring review
>
> There is a report for number of areas, including for Australia:
>
>
> https://matkoniecz.github.io/OSM-wikipedia-tag-validator-reports/Australia.html
> (merged report for Australia)
>
> Or more specifically for parts of Australia (links later).
>
> If anyone is interested: feel free to use this list to fix this bogus
> wikipedia/wikidata links.
>
> Please, let me know if anything is confusing, incorrect, invalid or broken.
> Or if you want some specific area/country not listed so far.
>
> 
>
> There are also reports at
>
> https://matkoniecz.github.io/OSM-wikipedia-tag-validator-reports/Australia%20-%20obvious.html
> which are about a bit different issues, but they depend on a local data
> or community and some may need upgrade to human review and
> some may need to be hidden:
>
> Is OSM data for wikipedia/wikidata tags good enough that
> following wikipedia redirects (where wikidata matches) could be
> done automatically?
> Or is it requiring human review (because someone added wikidata
> of redirect targets with bot, for example)?
>
> https://matkoniecz.github.io/OSM-wikipedia-tag-validator-reports/Australia%20-%20obvious.html#wikipedia%20wikidata%20mismatch%20-%20follow%20wikipedia%20redirect
>
> Would you expect wikipedia tags to link English language Wikipedia
> where possible? Or is linking any language version OK?
>
> Would you consider useful to add wikipedia tag where only wikidata tag
> is present as useful (for increased human readability of tags)?
>
> Would you consider useful to add wikidata tag where only wikipedia tag
> is present as useful (for increased stability of tags and to allow
> fixing redirects if wikipedia article changes title in the future)?
>
> 
>
> specific areas (once this issues are fixed I will enable more areas,
> until entire Australia is being checked)
>
> Tasmania - 25 reported issues
>
> https://matkoniecz.github.io/OSM-wikipedia-tag-validator-reports/Australia:%20Tasmania.html
>
> New South Wales - 29 issues
>
> https://matkoniecz.github.io/OSM-wikipedia-tag-validator-reports/Australia:%20New%20South%20Wales%20(Nowa%20Po%C5%82udniowa%20Walia).html
>
> Queensland (found 36 problems)
>
> https://matkoniecz.github.io/OSM-wikipedia-tag-validator-reports/Australia:%20Queensland.html
>
> And also following with 0 reported issues right now, thanks to
> people who fixed them!
> Australia Capital Territory
>
> https://matkoniecz.github.io/OSM-wikipedia-tag-validator-reports/Australia%20Capital%20Territory.html
>
> Christmas Island
>
> https://matkoniecz.github.io/OSM-wikipedia-tag-validator-reports/Australia:%20Christmas%20Island%20(Wyspa%20Bo%C5%BCego%20Narodzenia).html
>
> Cocos Islands
>
> https://matkoniecz.github.io/OSM-wikipedia-tag-validator-reports/Australia:%20Cocos%20(Keeling)%20Islands%20(Wyspy%20Kokosowe).html
>
> Northern Territory
>
> https://matkoniecz.github.io/OSM-wikipedia-tag-validator-reports/Australia:%20Northern%20Territory%20(Terytorium%20P%C3%B3%C5%82nocne).html
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Re: [talk-au] New Bing imagery?

[Daniel O'Connor]

Adelaide metro areas have had some updated imagery (great!) but sadly some
of the mapwithai training is based on previous versions; and it's now a
little inaccurate.

Fingers crossed, updated imagery will result in updated AI feature
extraction shortly.

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 1:12 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

>
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Sept 2021 at 12:35, Adam Horan  wrote:
>
>> What I did notice though is that some footpath shapes matched those in
>> openstreetmap, paths through parks and nature reserves especially.
>>
>
> Including one that I mapped only a matter of weeks ago!
>
> Thanks
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Re: [talk-au] [EXTERNAL] Re: Low quality road classification contributions in SA via Microsoft Open Maps Team - contact point?

[Daniel O'Connor]

Through overpass, plus random sampling as I'm editing; I'm still seeing a
substantial amount of misclassifications.

https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1aIk

~2400 ways.

https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1aIl

Most of these outside of townships appear to be still very poorly
classified, and last edited 2 months ago.

Has any correction been done whatsoever?

On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 3:39 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

>
> Thanks everybody for your comments.
>
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 at 16:23, cleary  wrote:
>
>>
>> I am insanely jealous that you can go driving in the countryside.
>>
>
> Sorry to make you feel bad! :-(
>
>  Thanks
>
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[talk-au] Low quality road classification contributions in SA via Microsoft Open Maps Team - contact point?

[Daniel O'Connor]

I've noticed and raised https://github.com/microsoft/Open-Maps/issues/65 to
no response in the last 24 hours, ditto to changeset comments; and it looks
like the team is still chugging away. Not all of the edits are wrong, but a
lot are.

Overpass suggests up to ~5000 highway=residential or highway=unclassified
roads with blank names are present in around ~2500 changesets; but I'm not
sure how far back OSMCha looks.

Do we have a better contact point?

I'm concerned that it's about to route a lot of people through private
farms; thinking it's just normal; public road.

Example:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_car=-34.9046%2C137.7851%3B-34.8955%2C137.7808
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Re: [talk-au] Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal

[Daniel O'Connor]

On Thu, 27 May 2021, 8:09 pm Andrew Davidson,  wrote:

> On 25/5/21 4:41 pm, Daniel O'Connor wrote:
> > I'd make a polite argument there is still value in at least the suburb,
> > possibly postcode being still provided.  When exporting data via
> > overpass as CSV; it's not currently easy or obvious to appropriately
> > bring in the parent attributes; even if it is for a Real Human looking
> > at the map.
> > There's a fair number of use cases for "data in a spreadsheet
> > friendly format" I feel.
>
> You don't need to add addr:suburb to get that, all you need is a little
> Python.
>

Look, as a dev as well, yes this is absolutely doable.
If this were a one click addon to an overpass query or otherwise massively
dropped the barriers for non devs, fantastic.
But at least for me personally, the folks like us that can do a data import
ALSO have the skills to handle bulk edits for maintenance, I feel we should
make it as easy as possible to use the resulting data.


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Re: [talk-au] Victorian Vicmap Address Import Proposal

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On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 8:59 PM Andrew Davidson  wrote:

> On 21/5/21 9:23 pm, Andrew Harvey via Talk-au wrote:
> >
> > For now the iD preset doesn't show the any inherited attributes, so
> > it will prompt mappers to supply these fields. While it might be
> > redundant, it's also not wrong, would you go so far as removing these
> > fields other mappers manually add?
>
> Ideally, if we agreed that anything beyond addr:street was not
> necessary, we would ask the iD developers to change the AU address
> format to:
>

I'd make a polite argument there is still value in at least the suburb,
possibly postcode being still provided.  When exporting data via overpass
as CSV; it's not currently easy or obvious to appropriately bring in the
parent attributes; even if it is for a Real Human looking at the map.
There's a fair number of use cases for "data in a spreadsheet
friendly format" I feel.

Yes, it does come with a maintenance problem when suburbs change or
postcodes merge, but I feel that's one problem for one set of folks - us
maintainers - vs a repeated problem for many simple data consumers.
Ideally, as maintainers, we would over time semi automated this with
tooling (much like the proposed import)
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Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 160, Issue 14

[Daniel O'Connor]

Just to flag a note of caution here - I'd recommend small scale evaluations
*only* at this stage; or if you do bigger test imports; in a sandbox
environment.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sandbox_for_editing#Experiment_with_the_API_.28advanced.29

If there is interest; later we can create a bunch of tasking manager jobs
for importing small chunks at a time; plus write up the plan(s) as needed


On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 5:10 PM John Bryant  wrote:

> Hi Warren, I've split it out into .osm files for each of the WA suburbs
> [1], see attached small example file for King's Park. Does something like
> this work? I can drag and drop them into JOSM, but I'm not 100% sure if
> they're formatted or attributed correctly to be most useful.
>
> Cheers
> John
>
> [1]
> https://data.gov.au/dataset/ds-dga-6a0ec945-c880-4882-8a81-4dbcb85e74e5/details
>
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 09:58, Warren  wrote:
>
>> Hi John
>> I use  JOSM.  Any file format that I can bring in as a layer would be
>> fine.   I can then select, copy and paste the tracings into an active layer
>> for upload, checking  as I go.  Certainly faster than tracing by hand.
>> I am not sure when JOSM get chocked by file size, but say Perth or the
>> South West of WA may be enough of a reduction.
>> Thanks
>>
>> On 21/10/2020 9:20 am, John Bryant wrote:
>>
>> Hi Warren, I could probably help with this. What would be a good size for
>> a chunk? What would be a useful format?
>>
>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 07:21, Warren 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I am in the eastern suburbs of Perth where minimal buildings have been
>>> traced.  I would be happy to check trace data in my area, lets face it
>>> hand tracing is not much fun  and very time consuming.  I think some
>>> inaccuracies are acceptable, they can be modified as they become
>>> apparent.
>>> The data at https://github.com/microsoft/AustraliaBuildingFootprints is
>>> much too large for me to handle.
>>> Is  someone more skillful than me able to break this data set into bite
>>> sized chunks?
>>>
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Re: [talk-au] Microsoft Australian building footprints

[Daniel O'Connor]

Looks like my other message didn't go through.

Agree re the slight rotational issues; and it being at about the level of a
new-intermediate contributor from the samples around Adelaide I managed to
look at.

I found sometimes, it would mistake bright concrete as part of a building
footprint.

Because of the simple way I split the files up, I've only got sporadic
coverage - a few buildings per street from my 10% sample. I'm not sure if
the original file is sorted by longitude/latitude in any way; or if the
model simply missed many of these. @Andrew Harvey  -
can you shed some light on this?

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 12:30 PM Andrew Harvey 
wrote:

> Also buildings which are touching like a shop fronts are just one polygon,
> but I don't think you'd ever be able to do this too reliably without a
> survey anyway. Even if there is a small gap between buildings eg a garage
> and residence sometimes it will join them into a single polygon.
>
> What I feel it does do well is actually identify buildings, I haven't
> found any false positives, only a few false negatives where a building is
> hidden under dense tree coverage.
>
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 12:52, Andrew Harvey 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 at 21:20, Simon Poole  wrote:
>>
>>> Just as a comment: there is nothing so time consuming as fixing badly
>>> mapped buildings (essentially drawing them from scratch is nearly always
>>> faster), I would only import building outlines that are at a quality level
>>> that you would not want to change them except if the building itself has
>>> been modified.
>>>
>>
>> I took a look at these building footprints from Microsoft in Sydney,
>> where we have high resolution aerial imagery with usually pretty good
>> positional accuracy and orthorectification.
>>
>> The MS buildings aren't as good as hand tracing would be, but better than
>> some of the worst mapping done through the HOT tasking manager building
>> tracing projects.
>>
>> Compared to the DCS aerial imagery the alignment (rotation) is usually a
>> fair bit off, but "good enough" basic footprints, the shape is just okay,
>> not great, not terrible.
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[talk-au] Microsoft Australian building footprints

[Daniel O'Connor]

Hi folks,
I was wondering how mapbox had coverage of areas that hadn't been traced
into OSM; and after a bit of digging came across this ODBL data:
https://github.com/microsoft/AustraliaBuildingFootprints

As fun as hand tracing data is; I'd be pretty keen to swap to small scale
imports of this, suburb by suburb in my area.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Microsoft_Building_Footprint_Data
details the data in more general terms, and links to a few import proposals.

Anyone feel like exploring and validating the quality of the data in their
areas?
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Re: [talk-au] Working with local government

[Daniel O'Connor]

Take a look at...  https://opencouncildata.org/ perhaps. There is a mailing
list (quiet at the moment); a set of standards for a bunch of open data (
http://standards.opencouncildata.org/); etc.

There isn't a specific one for cycling infrastructure; but its a good model
they can perhaps follow; and the community imports what is
relevant/useful. There are a lot of victorian councils they could get some
advice from on a lot of these issues, which may help.


On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 2:54 PM Andrew Harvey 
wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 at 14:52, Greg Dutkowski 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Bicycle Network Tasmania are trying to improve the quality of cycling
>> infrastructure information in OSM.
>> Much has been done by volunteers in various jurisdictions, and we have
>> done lots locally, but the tagging is quite complex for cycle paths and not
>> always correct.
>>
>
> Hi and nice to see you're getting involved with mapping cycle
> infrastructure in Tassie.
>
>
>> The Hobart councils we work with are concerned with the quality of the
>> data in OSM and the ability of anyone to change it.
>>
>
> I would try to reframe that. The fact that anyone can update OSM means
> that the dataset can be more accurate and current. Same with quality of the
> data, because you have a whole range of contributors and downstream data
> users there's more eyes looking at it and using it and so more opportunity
> to spot issues.
>
> City of Sydney and Transport for NSW have been rolling out popup covid
> cycleways and there's multiple OSM community members + TfNSW staff going in
> mapping these throughout their construction lifecycle.
>
> Does anyone know of any examples we could learn from of local government
>> itself working to keep OSM data up to date?
>>
>
> I'm not sure of local government but Transport for NSW
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW make edits in OSM.
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Re: [talk-au] Fire Station Operators

[Daniel O'Connor]

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:14 PM Andrew Harvey 
wrote:

> This MapRoulette challange is mostly about adding the operator and
> operator:wikidata tags and also branch if you can.
>
>
If you do see other attributes like solar (rare), or water tanks (less
rare); please do map those too.

Map of stations with a solar panel within 50m:
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Py1

Map of stations with a water tank nearby:
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Py2

Those are two bits of infrastructure it's reasonably easy to ask a council
to look at purchasing; where it makes sense.
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Re: [talk-au] presenting #NorthernBeachesSolar pet project

[Daniel O'Connor]

Nice work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZf3SJ1V-iQ and  https://openclimatefix.org/
may be also of interest.


One of the pet ideas for this data I had was generating a number of
overpass queries looking for big commercial real estate without solar
deployed; to form the basis of advocacy campaigns.

For example; Wesfarmers has a program to deploy solar to the majority of
its Bunnings warehouses:
https://sustainability.wesfarmers.com.au/our-stories/bunnings/bunnings-continues-its-solar-rollout/


Or a number of large shopping centres are rolling out solar carparks.

This kinds of efforts have a very direct energy efficiency payoff; so
potentially a persuasive letter becomes that final tipping point from
"Maybe we should" to "everyone else is doing it".

Similar things could be done for council, federal real estate.

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 11:00 PM Sebastian Spiess  wrote:

> Hello All and Happy New Year,
>
> I'd like to present my latest pet project:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:ConsEbt/NorthernBeachesSolar
>
>
> Inspired by an UK based project
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_the_United_Kingdom/Rooftop_Solar_PV
> I wanted to do something similar in front of my doorstep.
>
> The wiki gives some details about tags I'm using as well as three
> changesets that are part of this project.
>
>
> I wanted to share this and collect some feedback or comments.
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] Map features for OSM & new street-level imagery in Australia

[Daniel O'Connor]

>
>
>
> *Port Adelaide Enfield*
>
> The City of Port Adelaide Enfield has uploaded 228,000 images and just shy
> of 1,000 km of coverage. They are using the uploaded imagery to update
> their traffic sign inventory.
>
> This imagery consists of road surveys but also surveys of the footpaths
> taken on quad bikes.
>
>
>
That's... a pretty amazing level of detail! A few other contributors and I
have chipped away at buildings in the council; and we've maybe got 40%?
coverage. Getting addresses onto those or number of levels seemed out of
reach by ground survey.

Will be interesting to see what can be derived from the two datasets
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Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed edits to Australian Tagging Guidelines on tagging footpaths/cycleways (Was: Discussion D: mapping ACT for cyclists – complying with ACT law)

[Daniel O'Connor]

+1.

Do have to amend the bits around not legal for SA cyclists to be on
footpaths given
https://www.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/23438/DPTI-Cycling-and-the-Law-Booklet.pdf

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 3:31 PM Andrew Davidson  wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 3:09 PM Herbert.Remi via Talk-au <
> talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>> There are almost no paths in the ACT compliant with Australian Tagging
>> Guidelines
>>
>
> Thanks for bringing that to our attention. Turns out that a "helpful" wiki
> user radically changed the suggested way to tag footpaths and cycleways
> back in May this year:
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_Guidelines=revision=1849762=1845590
>
> I propose that we revert the page back to what it said before these edits.
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Re: [talk-au] Maproullette challenge for feedback - Australian Brands without Wikidata

[Daniel O'Connor]

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:32 PM Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> PS – where it’s a building it wants to update each node of the building –
> not sure if this is a roulette issue or something else
>
>
>
That is annoying, I think its a maproullette issue - the queries look for
named nodes, named ways; when it generates tasks; it seems to be adding
the corner nodes too.

I might suggest people skip these; and there is
https://github.com/osmlab/maproulette3/issues/732 available to add shortcut
keys; though I can't find a more specific bug report around the test
generation. Might experiment and try to get good reproduce steps.
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Re: [talk-au] Maproullette challenge for feedback - Australian Brands without Wikidata

[Daniel O'Connor]

>
>
> For example my personal preference is to tag the
>
> name: brand + branch
>
> eg. so Westfield Chatswood is tagged
>
> name=Westfield Chatswood
> brand=Westfield
> branch=Chatswood
> brand:wikidata= -> wikidata for Westfield brand
> wikidata= -> wikidata for Westfield Chatswood
>
> Same applies to bank branches, car shops etc.
>
>>
>>
Yeah, I agree on this one a bit.
Its odd; because some things you clearly would label like that, but they
often don't put up signage to that effect; but they'd refer to specific
locations like that on a "find a branch" or "find a store" type page.

It might be worth having a discussion around this ID behaviour if there's a
strong local use case? https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pull/6389 added
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[talk-au] Maproullette challenge for feedback - Australian Brands without Wikidata

[Daniel O'Connor]

Hey folks,
Since ID now includes some handy presets and some recommendations to
"upgrade tags", I thought I'd trial out a challenge to find all Woolworths
supermarkets without wikidata.

https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/8118

1) Is this kind of challenge and the resulting armchair mapping of interest?
2) If so, what Australian retail brand(s) would you include (banks,
supermarkets, fast food, etc) in later challenges?
3) Are there any big negatives to this people can think of?

The main motivation I have is for when mid to large sized chains go out of
business, get bought or renamed - a single Brand key makes it a lot easier
to find things for later survey/cleanup/etc.
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Re: [talk-au] POI - address details

[Daniel O'Connor]

My preference is to infer; because suburbs have a nasty habit of changing
their boundaries and postcodes very frequently.

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 11:23 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 at 23:01, Sebastian Spiess  wrote:
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> this question originates from the discussion about the NSW address
>> import, see here:
>> https://gitlab.com/dionmoult/osm-nsw-address-import/issues/7
>>
>> My view is that addresses are more than just the Street name and house
>> number (plus Unit number).
>>
>> When I put POIs on the map I also add City, postcode and state - the
>> full address.
>>
>> I understand that this information might be redundant as the city or
>> suburb boundary is 'passing' it down, however to me the address is
>> incomplete for the POI.
>>
>> When using data consumers they do not necessary pass down the city to
>> the POI and it will be missing in their listing, e.g. when searching.
>>
>> What are the views here?
>>
>
> Repeating a comment made on that Gitlab discussion
>
> "My understanding is that we don't need to include this data, because it
> is possible to automatically infer the city and state from the boundaries,
> which are already in OSM.
>
> For instance, here is a link to what happens
> 
> when I use the OSM  website to search for 44-60
> Menangle Street, Picton.
> Note the result from Nominatim includes the council area, the state, the
> postcode and the country. But if you click on it, you will find that the
> way only includes the addr:housenumber, addr:street and building tags."
>
> I've just tried it for a few addresses in my area eg 4 Pipit Parade
> Burleigh Waters to get "No results found"
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=4%20Pipit%20Parade%20Burleigh%20Waters#map=15/-28.0748/153.4368
>
> but a search as just 4 Pipit Parade returns
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=4%20Pipit%20Parade#map=19/-28.07430/153.42918,
> including "suburb" (but it's actually not), city, state, postcode, country;
> & when you click on that reference, you get
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4305436990, which shows the suburb
> correctly as Burleigh Waters, not Miami - & I created that address, so I
> know how it was loaded! :-)
>
> AFAIK, there are no suburb boundaries yet loaded for the Gold Coast area,
> so it would appear ? that the system is possibly selecting the physically
> closest shown suburb name as the suburb, rather than the actual suburb that
> has been loaded as part of the address?
>
> Does that sound feasible?
>
> If so, it's wrong, so how do we correct it?
>
> Incidentally, OSMand correctly finds 4 Pipit Parade, Burleigh Waters, but
> will also find it if you search via Miami, but then displays it as Burleigh
> Waters.
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [talk-au] Importing Hobsons Bay City Council tree data into OSM

[Daniel O'Connor]

Side note: http://www.opentrees.org may be of interest to you, takes a
number of tree datasets in a standard format, renders them.


On Sun, 14 Apr. 2019, 10:16 pm David Sisourath, 
wrote:

> Thanks Andrew, I have looked at all of the tags in the raw data and have
> created a Python file to process this.
>
>
>
> I have considered the ‘Unknown’, ‘Not Applicable’ and also removed the
> trees where they are ‘stumps’ or ‘vacant’.
>
>
>
> The data is linked here:
>
> https://data.gov.au/dataset/ds-dga-80051ffe-04d5-4602-b15b-60e0d0e3d153/
>
>
>
> I have actually proceeded with a test import on a small area in Seabrook.
> A reason why I think a source tag would be useful is the identification of
> imported trees in subsequent updates from Council being imported.
>
>
>
> I note that this test import is easily reversible by me if plans do not
> eventuate.
>
>
>
> The test import changeset is here:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69182499#map=16/-37.8860/144.7627
>
>
>
> Also, there is a non-existent boundary through Seabrook Primary School
> that renders on Mapnik. I noticed this during the test import and am unsure
> of the issue here.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Andrew Harvey 
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 14, 2019 9:56:38 PM
> *To:* David Sisourath
> *Cc:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Importing Hobsons Bay City Council tree data
> into OSM
>
> Great working on sourcing those waivers!
>
> Do you either have a sample .osm file or could you post an example of what
> tags/values will be imported? Can you say anything further about how you
> will transform the data? ie. removing "Unknown" values etc.
>
> Regarding the source tag, I think it must be on the changeset, but can
> optionally be on each object as well. It was once pointed out to me that
> the source on the object may lead to editors thinking they can't
> change/touch the object, and it can also be misleading when changes
> subsequently happen. Mind you, I still add source, source:geometry,
> source:name etc. tags where I feel it's appropriate manually, I just don't
> think it's essential to have them on each object.
>
> Feel free to post a link to this thread
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2019-April/012577.html as
> a changeset tag or comment to help link the import back to this discussion.
>
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 at 15:35, David Sisourath 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I intend to import tree data in the Hobsons Bay LGA into OSM.
>>
>>
>>
>> The data has been verified by myself with aerial imagery and DELWP/VicMap
>> boundaries.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will be importing small squares of data at a time, including the tree
>> circumference, species (if known) or genus (if species unknown). Tree
>> circumference in the data are grouped by ranges of 150mm. I have taken the
>> maximum of these ranges to be the circumference in my code.
>>
>>
>>
>> A source tag will be attached to each tree node imported,
>> source=data.gov.au:Hobsons Bay City Council, and also on the relevant
>> changesets.
>>
>>
>>
>> A waiver has been signed by Hobsons Bay and is available on both the
>> Australian Data Catalogue page and the Contributors
>> 
>> page.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any questions or feedback regarding the import would be highly
>> appreciated, including whether the approach to the circumference tag, and
>> source tag is acceptable.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Sign detections from OpenStreetCam

[Daniel O'Connor]

Ah, nice - and compared to the mapillary ones, has picked out school
zone/hours/etc very well (at least in the example provided)

Will be great when https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4851 gets
into ID; possibly https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/5666 gets
sorted out too.



On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 4:14 AM Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> You will remember from my previous messages to this list that
> OpenStreetCam held a competition to collect imagery in Australia (as well
> as in New Zealand). The winners have their gift cards, but the community as
> a whole gains as well. Our map team used the contributed imagery to
> generate a large enough training set for our sign detection platform to
> learn 45+ (and growing) Australia-specific sign types. You can use the
> detected signs to map in JOSM (iD in the future) if you install the
> OpenStreetCam plugin.
>
> New imagery captured will be analyzed for signs almost immediately. If you
> go to your own trips you can click on the ‘detections’ tab to see results.
> Example: https://openstreetcam.org/details/999263/314/detections
>
> Note that none of this data will be added to OSM automatically — it is
> available for the community to use.
>
> Here’s a blog post with some more detail:
> http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/02/openstreetcam-detect-signs-in-australia-newzealand/
>
>
> I hope that you will keep contributing to OSC to improve coverage and
> generate more of this useful mapping data.
>
> Happy mapping,
>
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Re: [talk-au] [SA] Road name changes

[Daniel O'Connor]

I'm happy to contribute; it would be good to redo the data.sa.gov.au
dataset process again and clean up the last few hundred that didn't get
assessed + new changes.

One of the other periodic checks I do; tracking down all landuse:
construction / highway: construction a few times a year.

Would be good to get that on a schedule (overpass query on a cron job?
calendar entries with "go run this script/query/etc") or similar?


On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:44 AM Alex Sims  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> Chasing up a road change in the public notices in The Advertiser today I
> found some opportunities for improvement for OpenStreetMap:
>
>
>
>- Road name changes for council roads are notified by Public Notices
>and to emergency services and flow through to the data.sa.gov.au
>dataset, but we seem to have no process for making changes from here. My
>example in point is Laing Street, Pooraka which I’ve fixed after being
>wrong for 18 months
>- Road name changes for state owned roads are similar, with no change
>tracking (I think) from data.sa.gov.au to OpenStreetMap)
>
>
>
> Placename changes are collated at
> https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/planning-and-property/planning-and-land-management/suburb-road-and-place-names/place-name-proposals
> which I look at. The changes are about 3-4 a year so not huge, I tend to
> get to these.
>
>
>
> Anyone (from SA) like to take these on the delta changes for road names?
>
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] more SEO spam?

[Daniel O'Connor]

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 6:53 AM  wrote:

> Hi, I'm thinking  it might be worth emailing the businesses being
> advertised and telling them that the SEO company that they engaged is
> making edits that they might not want their business associates.
> Tony
>
> > Concur. Be ruthless. These people are akin to nuisance callers and
> > should be publicly flogged.
>

I know its really annoying for us to deal with low quality spammy notes;
but it might be of more value to extend an olive branch to the business -
they've indicated they'd like their business mapped (mistakenly going with
a spammy company); that's practically an invitation to ask them for all of
the details that would be otherwise difficult to get via survey.

If they get pushed towards a novice friendly approach to sharing their
data, that's a better outcome IMO
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Re: [talk-au] more SEO spam?

[Daniel O'Connor]

Onosm.org generates a structured note.

Source code at https://github.com/osmlab/onosm.org

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:41 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

>
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 06:51, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>
>> You can point businesses to https://www.onosm.org/ which gives
>> businesses an easy way to add themselves. It generates a note on OSM, that
>> mappers can then turn into an actual node or whatever OSM type is relevant
>> to add the information to the map in a responsible way.
>> Martijn
>>
>
> Martijn
>
> With things like that site, & I know Osmand has a similar "report a
> problem" setting, do you have any idea as to where do they actually get
> reported to?
>
> Does this one just generate an OSM Note? & with what explanation?
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [talk-au] Building Import for Ballarat - interest?

[Daniel O'Connor]

On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 4:53 PM Andrew Davidson  wrote:

> The old data.gov.au permission is no longer sufficient to use a dataset
> in OSM. The first thing you are going to have to do is approach the Council
> and get them to sign the wavier.
>
>>
>>
If it is no longer sufficient, can you update the wiki with *why *(links,
prior mailing list discussion or similar) -
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission
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Re: [talk-au] Building Import for Ballarat - interest?

[Daniel O'Connor]

I've started https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ballarat_Building_Import ;
will capture all of the various TODOs there shortly
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[talk-au] Building Import for Ballarat - interest?

[Daniel O'Connor]

Hey folks,
Another mapper, Pierce, has pointed out
https://data.gov.au/dataset/ballarat-3d-buildings is available.

>From a cursory review, the data seems to be similar to
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geelong_Building_Import - also CC BY A
3.0, and I think covered by the existing data.gov.au explicit permission.

The data mostly offers a building footprint (shape) and a height attribute
in metres; about 44,000 buildings - call it about 44? mapping hours to
merge, import a small batch, run validations, review, upload?

I'm not a Ballarat local, but it is a heavily mapped town with substantial
existing buildings - many of these would gain height data.

1) Are people interested in an import like this?
2) Are there locals who can help spot check the data against local
knowledge, to assess how accurate it is before any import; and after?
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Re: [talk-au] Mapping houses and addresses in Sydney

[Daniel O'Connor]

For knowing "whats mapped" at a high level, I like http://qa.poole.ch - I
believe it has filters for unmapped addresses.

On the ground stuff - streetcomplete does really well at prompting for
things without address, highly recommend.



Setting up a task manager instance; I reckon it could make a lot of sense
for us as a community. We seem to be a small group who punch above our
weight in terms of how spread out we are but have much we have mapped.
Alternatively, maproulette tasks.

It seems to work well for US imports of address/buildings/etc; and its
reasonable to expect that:
- One day; the gnaf will be suitable for import or
- LPI Basemap NSW addresses or otger data.gov.au imports for an entire
town/area/etc make sense.
- There will be communities within the AU mapping crowd with focuses
(camping; cycling; tourism; public transport spring to mind)

Looking at https://github.com/hotosm/tasking-manager/blob/develop/README.md
it seems like python/postgres are the main server hosting requirements.

On Sun, 17 Jun. 2018, 11:17 am Dion Moult,  wrote:

> Wow, seems a little overkill to put the task there where it seems the
> objective is for humanitarian needs :) Australian house addresses are
> hardly humanitarian in nature :)
>
> Dion Moult
>
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On June 17, 2018 9:30 AM, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>
> You could put a project up on the HOT Task manager as a low priority and
> then send folks the link
>
> https://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute?difficulty=ALL
>
>
> Cheers - Phil,
> On the road with his iPad
>
> On 16 Jun 2018, at 10:29 pm, Dion Moult  wrote:
>
>
> As a continuation of this thread just wondering if there was a way to
> divide up Sydney into a grid and automatically check the progress of
> whether that zone has been mapped or not. Is there a standard approach for
> this?
>
>
>
> Dion Moult
>
>
>
>
>
>  Original Message 
> On 6 Jun 2018, 09:39, Warin < 61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 06/06/18 08:51, Dion Moult wrote:
> > Thanks Andrew et all,
> >
> > Yes, I have used the ESRI imagery layer. Thanks for the heads up of the
> LPI base map. Before I go too far, can one of you please look at the work
> I've done so far if I'm doing things correctly? Here is a small sample in
> the suburb of Epping that I have traced houses and added addresses:
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-33.78071/151.06628
> >
> > In that scenario I did not trace off the LPI imagery, but instead traced
> off ESRI. I noticed if I enable the LPI imagery, the houses don't line up.
> Should this be fixed? If so, what's the best way?
>
>
> Any imagery can have a 'offset' from where it should be. And that offset
> will vary as you go up and down hills.
>
> The LPI Imagery has much better resolution and less parallax error than
> the other sources .. I prefer it to any other images for its accuracy.
>
> That said it is usefull to check with other images for more up to date
> things. I found in Coffs Harbour that the DigitalGlobe stuff is more
> current.
>
>
> I'll leave others to comment on that address stuff.. no expert on that
> (yet). :)
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Re: [talk-au] Wagga to Echuca survey

[Daniel O'Connor]

dont forget to share with the upstream source, otherwise they will be
forever wrong


On Sat, 21 Apr. 2018, 8:44 pm Nick Hocking,  wrote:

> Andrew wrote "According to the Geographical Names Board "Bullenbung
> Creek" is the old name and "Bullenbong Creek" is the new name (and by new
> we are talking
> since July 1972)."
>
> Ok thanks - I'll put Bullenbung in as Alt-name.
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Re: [talk-au] Tathra Fires

[Daniel O'Connor]

So all we need is permission to use the LPI addressess for all of NSW and
> someone with the time and skill to do the import and we'll have a useful
> NSW map :-)
>
>

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#New_South_Wales_Land_and_Property_Information
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:source=NSW_LPI_Base_Map

The address data appears to be explicitly shared from reading that, have at
it :P
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[talk-au] Retail Food Group store closings - project for the next few months

[Daniel O'Connor]

>From the news today, RFG (Gloria Jeans, Brumby's, Michel’s Patisserie,
Pizza Capers, Crust, a few others) look like they might be closing up to
200 of their stores


Supposedly, they have ~1150 stores in total and the below query highlights
about ~150; so we've got a bit over 10% modelled - probably more with minor
spelling variations

If you are interested in checking your local area; here's a handy overpass
query:
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/wHS
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Re: [talk-au] Potential data import

[Daniel O'Connor]

:( https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/planner/ appears to have swapped over
to google maps, sigh

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Andrew Harvey <andrew.harv...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 20 Feb. 2018 1:41 pm, "Daniel O'Connor" <daniel.ocon...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> A good example of a transport agency already doing this is Adelaide Metro;
> who both publish data as GTFS and provide tools based on openstreetmap;
> their internal data.
>
>
> I'm interested to know more about this, are there any more details?
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Re: [talk-au] Potential data import

[Daniel O'Connor]

>From here, you might be interested in emailing the maintainer and asking if
they will specifically license that dataset as ODBL (
https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/), an open data license suitable
for datasets.


Their standard terms of use are:
*Content sharing*

*All content produced by Transperth on online properties, is protected by
copyright. However, you are encouraged to share our content provided that
you credit us as the source (by including our official social media handle
for the platform you are sharing on, see individual channels for details)
and do not change the sense or misrepresent us.*

They may be open to it, particularly if you explain the use case - import
to openstreetmap; to make available to a wide variety of applications such
as Maps.me, public transport routing tools like OSRM, etc. A good example
of a transport agency already doing this is Adelaide Metro; who both
publish data as GTFS and provide tools based on openstreetmap; their
internal data.

More details on how imports work:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Process
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Re: [talk-au] Location "signs" - what are they?

[Daniel O'Connor]

I tend to treat these in rural areas as "city limit signs" ("Welcome to X").
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_sign#Tagging

I would maybe tag a residential area with the sign name for a
'neighbourhood' / 'real estate development vanity naming' sign as per
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dneighbourhood

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 4:12 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

> Asked about these on the Tagging list but didn't get any response so
> thought I'd try here.
>
> Discussions re Public Art, made me wonder what to call these location (?)
> signs.
>
> These two aren't suburbs, only real-estate developments / perhaps
> "neighbourhoods?
>
> https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.0958424,153.4424594,3a,
> 75y,316.46h,87.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sad969aKOue4bvLQYIjpB
> zg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
>
> https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.0536126,153.3996352,3a,
> 75y,23.46h,80.66t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1s4kuMyAx5URHiMzxctVSV
> zA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i47?hl=en
>
> This one though is for a suburb, & was built to show all the services that
> were available in Burleigh Heads at that time & has been in place for
> something like 50 years! (& some of those services aren't actually
> available any more!)
>
> https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.0884156,153.4519354,3a,
> 37.5y,267.38h,116.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7dO5hySbj_W3Rsbw
> mX1qkQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
>
> So, is there a tag for this type of "signage"?
>
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Re: [talk-au] New proposed subdivision roads

[Daniel O'Connor]

We have explicit permission for https://data.sa.gov.au/data/dataset/roads
to be imported, which *in theory* is the exact same dataset in use by the
http://location.sa.gov.au/viewer/


Broadly, if its in the shapefile, its good to use.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/sa.data.gov.au_explicit_permission


I don't think anyone has verified if whats used by location.sa.gov.au is
powered by the files published to data.sa.gov.au, but its a reasonable bet.




On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM,  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I would like some help with https://www.openstreetmap.org/
> changeset/55510413
> The user has had a previous block.
> The user quotes locationsa as a data source for the addition of new
> proposed roads.
> Three questions
> does the source support the roads?
> Is the licence OK?
> Are they tagged right, they are not dashed on the map?
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
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Re: [talk-au] Adelaide Mapping Event

[Daniel O'Connor]

I'm in! Point me at the things to map!

On 15/07/2017 2:02 PM,  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
>
>
> I’m from Maptime Melbourne, we have found that using library meeting rooms
> has been good. They tend to have decent wifi and plenty of space for people
> to sit.
>
>
>
> We have a Slack channel with the Maptime Sydney people (and David!). I’ve
> sent you an invitation to join via email if you’re interested.
>
>
>
> Philip
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Alex Sims 
> *Sent: *Saturday, 15 July 2017 4:49 AM
> *To: *OSM Australian Talk List 
> *Subject: *[talk-au] Adelaide Mapping Event
>
>
>
> Dear David,
>
>
>
> Please keep sending the emails.
>
>
>
> Adelaide desperately needs a mapping session/meetup, so here goes
>
>
>
> This has been suggested in the Grange/Henley Beach area to support tourism.
>
>
>
> I’m thinking Saturday 26th August or Saturday 23rd September, meet at 2pm
> finish at 4pm, need suggestion for a venue that would accomodate
> non-mapping partners etc. Assume that everyone brings their own mapping
> gear and internet.
>
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 Jul 2017, at 10:38 am, David Dean  wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> (If you don't want me to send these emails to you, please let me know and
> I'll stop)
>
>
>
> As a follow up to our earlier successful RGSQ Mapping Days event (
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Brisbane/Mapping_
> Parties/2017-06_RGSQ_Mapping_Days), we are having a short, casual,
> one-day follow up event at Nundah in associate with the RGSQ's Nundah Map
> Group.
>
>
>
> This will be on Friday 4th August from around 10-16:30, and further
> details are available on the OSM wiki at https://wiki.openstreetmap.
> org/wiki/Brisbane/Events/2017-08-04_Nundah_Mapping_Party.
>
>
>
> Please feel free to follow that link for more details, and please let me
> know within the next two weeks if you wish to attend. The location is still
> TBA, but will be in the Nundah area, probably at the BCC Nundah Library.
>
>
>
> I apologise for this event being on a weekday. If you cannot attend,
> please wait for the next one, which will hopefully be at a slightly more
> work-friendly time!
>
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Re: [talk-au] Keeping SA roads up to date

[Daniel O'Connor]

Would be good to setup monthly run of https://github.com/q-bits/osm-scripts
but I lack the ability to do it.

It might not detect roundabouts; but will pick out name differences and
unknown roads. We got it down to under 300 at one point, I think.



On 25 Apr 2017 11:31 AM, "Alex Sims"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I “dogfood” OpenStreetMap and use it in my GPS for directions. I was a bit
> surprised when I came across an almost two year old roundabout on a main
> road that wasn’t mapped. I’ve mapped it now at http://www.openstreetmap.
> org/changeset/48106706#map=15/-35.5205/138.6359
>
> This seems to be a problem that, as editors were not picking and mapping
> up this change. Maybe no editors travels this way, but still I was a bit
> embarrassed by the non-editors in the car.
>
> I found a number of data sources with no hint of it such as aerial imagery
> or Strava cycling data. GPS tracks hints at it but I can’t be sure. I did
> find it in the Roads data set on data.sa.gov.au but not on “State
> Maintained Roads”.
>
> As a suggestion, it looks as though we need some sort of comparison
> process for generations of “State Maintained Roads” to identify and
> validate changes. Another solution is to recruit more editors.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
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Re: [talk-au] 2016 aerial imagery for Canberra.

[Daniel O'Connor]

I added a stub of an issue -
https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index/issues/297

Will flesh out with more details (or just comment there so we have all the
required fields sorted!)

On 13 Mar 2017 8:45 AM, "Andrew Davidson"  wrote:

> If someone knows how to add this to the layer index the boundary of
> coverage is available from here:
>
> http://actmapi-actgov.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/5739476dd
> d854f3b9f47bef679378f30_1
>
> The Canberra mapping community is very small and if I can convince the
> other member to switch to JOSM then that pretty much solves the problem of
> other editors ;-)
>
> On 2017-03-13 05:35, Simon Poole wrote:
>
>> Andrew
>>
>> This should likely be added as a source to
>> https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index , and naturally it would be
>> nice if we could find somebody to run a mapproxy instance or similar so
>> that it could be used in iD and other editors that don't support WMS
>> servers. We (SOSM) would likely offer, but it doesn't really make sense
>> to ship the bits around half the globe and back again.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> Am 12.03.2017 um 03:16 schrieb Andrew Davidson:
>>
>>> I have added some instructions to the wiki on how to use the 2016
>>> aerial imagery of Canberra in JOSM:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:source%3DACT2016
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Re: [talk-au] Residential Coordinates

[Daniel O'Connor]

Perhaps a good use for this kind of data would be a feed of *buildings not
mapped*

IE:
 - Grab data as you are doing or via a platform like morph.io
 - Overpass queries to find out if there is any building geometry at given
coordinates
 - Produce an RSS feed or similar (Maproulette? To-fix?)

I manually do something similar with planningalerts, to find buildings
being demolished or built in my area.

The rental information itself is probably better in a separate repo - its
likely to change frequently with leases. A number of commercial data
providers sell this kind of thing; so there's obviously some use for it...
just perhaps not in OSM itself.

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Timur Behlul  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have been scraping rental properties off the net for an analysis I am
> doing on Sydney. In the process I geo-coded these properties using Bing
> Maps. There are around 100,000 properties.
>
> Would this informaiton be useful. I can I upload it to OSM even though I
> used Bing Maps to geo-code them?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Timur
>
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Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

[Daniel O'Connor]

Straw men seem to be popular this afternoon. The question is not whether or
not you map an unincorporated area but how should you map it?


One of your first actions was deletion from what I understand of the
changesets, after a brief look.

Until now you havent conveyed that message (your concern is how to map)
well.

Consider using more open ended, less accusing language, you might find a
better outcome. Nobody here has a goal of making the map worse.
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Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

[Daniel O'Connor]

Just want to point out the advice from the wiki:

*Don't map your local legislation, if not bound to objects in reality*
*Things such as local traffic rules should only be mapped through the
objects which represent these rules on the ground, e.g. a traffic sign,
road surface marking. Other rules that can not be seen in some way should
not be mapped, as they are not universally verifiable.*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unincorporated_area
Can you physically define it? Yes
>From survey?  maybe.

I think getting into the details of *who* or *what* administers something
is irrelevant; or at least highly marginal compared to the *is it ground
truthable?* parts of it.
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Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

[Daniel O'Connor]

Its an interesting one - unlike suburbs, LGAs don't really have a physical
presence or much you can survey; even though they have a spatial
relationship/are often defined by physical features.
For being surveyable... maybe you get a 'welcome to foo shire' sign or two.

I would say that* if an LGA is suitable to be added*, Unincorporated Areas
and other weird things like http://www.ncl.net.au/ (A town owned by a
corporation that provides services *like* an LGA, but isn't legally an LGA)
should be suitable too.


In terms of actually using the data; I find that relying on the ABS data
and treating that as a separate data set is often quite useful. I'd be
inclined to not worry too much about adding them in; particularly when they
do fun things like merge frequently - maintenance pain in the behind and a
half!



On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 8:45 AM, cleary  wrote:

>
> I have been adding administrative boundaries in NSW and SA using the
> Government data for which OSM has been given explicit permission. I am
> currently working on the "Pastoral Unincorporated Area" in SA and
> another mapper commented that it was inappropriate. I responded but my
> response appears not to have satisfied the other mapper.  I then found
> that the same mapper had deleted the "Unincorporated Area of New South
> Wales" because it was not administered by a council.
>
> Both of these "unincorporated" areas are defined and designated in the
> respective government datasets, that is (1) South Australian Government
> Data - Local Government Areas and (2) LPI NSW Administrative Boundaries
> - Local Government.
>
> The issue for the other mapper appears to be the acceptability of the
> form of governance of these areas. While the majority of local
> government areas are administered by councils, this model works less
> well in areas which are sparsely populated. The Pastoral Unincorporated
> Area in South Australia is administered by a designated authority, the
> Outback Communities Authority, which is not a council either in name or
> in the usual sense. I am aware of three other designated local
> government areas in South Australia that do not have councils - two are
> administered by the indigenous residents although they appear to have
> some form of executive committee to make routine decisions. One
> designated local government area does not appear to have a council and I
> have not ascertained the form of governance.  In the Unincorporated Area
> of New South Wales, responsibilities are dispersed and do not rest with
> any one body, for example roads are managed by the Roads and Maritime
> Services (state authority) and there are local advisory committees in
> some isolated communities.
>
> The key issue is whether the form of governance in an area should
> determine whether or not areas should be mapped in OSM. It seems to me
> to be akin to removing Northern Territory and ACT on the basis that they
> have different forms of governance and are not proper states!
>
> The comments on the Pastoral Unincorporated Area can be viewed at
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/44528330#map=12/-34.3720/140.4687
> The relation for the Pastoral Unincorporated Area is at
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6804541
> The deleted relation for Unincorporated Area of New South Wales is at
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5892272 and refers to Changeset
> #44531564
>
> Do other members of the OSM community have a view on whether the form of
> governance should determine what areas are shown on the map and
> particularly whether local government areas should be included if they
> are not administered by councils.
>
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Re: [talk-au] City of Melbourne data

[Daniel O'Connor]

I'll put my hand up for (slowly) importing addresses; have begun sketching
out a plan in
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/data.melbourne.vic.gov.au-addresses

Dataset:
https://data.melbourne.vic.gov.au/Property-Planning/Address-Points/a7rp-xtya

Sent email re explicit permission (all datasets), will add to wiki.


On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Daniel O'Connor <daniel.ocon...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> A good dataset may be address point data, if available. I know we have
> GNAF, but we've been unable to get the explicit permission needed.
>
> Coverage is OK at the moment, so any import would be better as a
> semi-manual, street by street kind of thing.
>
>
> Public toilets, BBQs, Playgrounds, Park names, etc also spring to mind.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Steve Bennett <stevag...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>   I'm a long time contirbutor (user:Stevage) but a bit quiet of late. I'm
>> now working as Senior Open Data Specialist at City of Melbourne (email:
>> opend...@melbourne.vic.gov.au), and have just got approval for our data
>> to be used in OpenStreetMap.
>>
>> So: If someone would like to email that address and formally request
>> permission to use current and future open data in OSM, I'd be very happy to
>> respond in the affirmative.
>>
>> Also: is anyone interested in importing any of our data? You can see most
>> of our public spatial data at maps.melbourne.vic.gov.au (to actually
>> access it, go to data.melbourne.vic.gov.au). If there is interesting
>> data on the maps site that's not on the open data portal, we'll prioritise
>> getting it out.
>>
>> Perhaps some of the street furniture datasets (bike hoops, water
>> fountains etc) would be good starting points?
>>
>> Steve
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Re: [talk-au] City of Melbourne data

[Daniel O'Connor]

A good dataset may be address point data, if available. I know we have
GNAF, but we've been unable to get the explicit permission needed.

Coverage is OK at the moment, so any import would be better as a
semi-manual, street by street kind of thing.


Public toilets, BBQs, Playgrounds, Park names, etc also spring to mind.


On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Steve Bennett  wrote:

> Hi all,
>   I'm a long time contirbutor (user:Stevage) but a bit quiet of late. I'm
> now working as Senior Open Data Specialist at City of Melbourne (email:
> opend...@melbourne.vic.gov.au), and have just got approval for our data
> to be used in OpenStreetMap.
>
> So: If someone would like to email that address and formally request
> permission to use current and future open data in OSM, I'd be very happy to
> respond in the affirmative.
>
> Also: is anyone interested in importing any of our data? You can see most
> of our public spatial data at maps.melbourne.vic.gov.au (to actually
> access it, go to data.melbourne.vic.gov.au). If there is interesting data
> on the maps site that's not on the open data portal, we'll prioritise
> getting it out.
>
> Perhaps some of the street furniture datasets (bike hoops, water fountains
> etc) would be good starting points?
>
> Steve
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Re: [talk-au] New to open street maps, looking for advice to get started

[Daniel O'Connor]

Another SA person; welcome :)

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Australia talks a bit
about some of the things happening.

In general, a lot of roads are accurate across the state; due to
data.sa.gov.au datasets - names, maybe a little less so. Bus stops...
fairly accurate from a GTFS feed.

Addresses like you've added are great; keep on collecting 'em :) There's a
few mobile tools that make it easy to record data; like Vespucci, if you
are wandering around your neghbourhood.


I find food related businesses really useful when using openstreetmap data,
as well as things like drinking fountains (surprisingly useful but sparsely
mapped!)


AdelaideMetro's journey planner uses Openstreetmap as a base layer, so a
few of us have worked on major transport interchanges or shopping centres
with a reasonable amount of detail.

If you are going through the CBD; capturing building levels or building
height can be really neat

Check out
http://demo.f4map.com/#lat=-34.9306077=138.5964838=16
or
https://osmbuildings.org/?lat=-34.92743=138.5999=16=0=30

and finally if you find yourself running out of stuff to map; consider data
collection via Mapillary or OpenStreetView.


On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:26 PM, Luke Picciau 
wrote:

> Hi, This is my first time posting to a mailing list so sorry if I mess it
> up.
>
> I just found out about the open street map project and love the idea. So
> far I have just been tracing buildings from the bing satellite images and
> adding info to locations. Here is some of my work
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-34.94778/138.63054 Username is
> Qwertii. What I was looking to find out is what should I get started with
> and where would I best be spending my time? I don't want to spent ages
> drawing out things that could just be done with a simple script. What
> things should I work on? Are there any pages I should read as a new user?
>
> Any advice would be awesome.
>
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Re: [talk-au] Residential/commercial property boundaries

[Daniel O'Connor]

> What a shame. It seems that in lieu of having any buildings marked out,
using property borders would have been a useful way to indicate addresses

In general its a huge rabbit hole to get stuck down if using cadastre/data
where government works in the torrens title first, addresses second
approach.
There is an idea of a 'real property description' in common use in the
property/finance industry,  based on joining the human readable address to
a collection of lot/plan references owned by a person.
One is a location label system (addresses as labels), one is a legal
concept,  and partly related to the physical representation of it as a
spatial boundary.

What becomes a huge pain is when those three concepts don't all fit
perfectly - a fence built a metre too far 10 years ago resulting in a judge
getting involved throws it all out of whack, or when a property is going to
be subdivided (house knocked down,  proposal made to council but not
final,  even if there is a new fence up), or even worse a multiple parcel
property under the same ownership worth multiple addresses - think larger
farms for example.

80% of the time its fine,  the rest is a mess of edge cases based on a
system designed around paper meeting GIS; and people using aliases,
nicknames,  vanity suburbs and more when labeling where things are.
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Re: [talk-au] GNAF (address) data to be released under open license

[Daniel O'Connor]

> Those individuals who are concerned should lobby the government NOW. Not
wait for the licence to be declared, nor any requirements made.

There is already a commitment for CC-BY-3.0 or better due to
http://www.ausgoal.gov.au/creative-commons  and http://data.gov.au/about

Prematurely lobbying the teams who are responsible for this without
understanding prior commitments they've made; and without evidence they'll
violate those commitments might do more harm than good.


The web link in the above ref  (http://data.australia.gov.au) is no longer
> valid ...


Irrelevant: data.gov.au and data.australia.gov.au are the same site run by
the department of finance, the explicit permission was given in response to
an email titled *data.gov.au  feedback*. The older URL
was simply retired after the Gov 2.0 taskforce was over and pilot phase was
done.



> At the moment if looks like you have to subscribe and then they send you
> out the data.


Please read the original announcement carefully. Specifically: "The G-NAF
and Administrative Boundaries datasets will be published under an open data
licence at no cost to end users on data.gov.au in February 2016."
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[talk-au] GNAF (address) data to be released under open license

[Daniel O'Connor]

Hi all,
Many of you may be interested in
https://blog.data.gov.au/news-media/blog/geocoded-national-address-data-be-made-openly-available

Provided the license is CC-BY-3.0 or better; we already have explicit
permission to use said data:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission

For those of you interested in what specific data this is, I'd encourage
you to have a read of:
https://www.psma.com.au/sites/default/files/g-naf_product_description.pdf

Of interest to us:
 * Address points with geocoding and full structured address information
 * Authoritive street names for a given suburb, with geocoding (points
though, not polylines)
 * Authoritative suburb/locality points, geocoded - likely of better
accuracy than ABS "Statistic Suburb" data.
 * Data refreshed quarterly; sourced from local and state government (so
emailing your council to submit a data correction from survey is plausible)
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Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Daniel O'Connor]

Nice!
On 11/05/2015 6:01 PM, ODG:Data SA dat...@sa.gov.au wrote:

 Hi All



 We will be releasing a new Data.SA website by 1 June which will enable
 some feedback to be provided to dataset owners.  Users of Data.SA will also
 be able to comment on a dataset, request a dataset and submit case studies
 where open data has been used to solve a problem or provide a service.
 This will help citizens engage with those who release the data.



 Cheers

 Open Data Team



 *From:* Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, 13 March 2015 5:26 PM
 *To:* simon.coste...@ga.gov.au
 *Cc:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Henry Haselgrove; ODG:Data SA
 *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au.
 [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]



 Hi Simon,
 We are communicating back corrections via the LGAs; which in turn is fed
 to DPTI and presumably onto datasets like GNAF eventually.
 We are still feeling out the best way to track issues or questions. I
 personally like github as a slightly more effective  way than person to
 person email; as it radiates information well.

 Unfortunately it's not to friendly to binary files/shapefiles; so it is
 best used for feedback rather than as a publication spot (perhaps there are
 things that can be done with CKAN to get the best of both worlds).

 I think we as a community would be very interested in any suggestions to
 make feedback more relevant/effective/streamlined. At SA's unleashed
 (govhack) last year, a number of us got talking to the folks behind
 data.sa.gov.au and this kind of problem - how can we show what value is
 being created with open data, how can we turn it into a two way
 conversation, etc.

 On 13/03/2015 5:04 PM, simon.coste...@ga.gov.au wrote:

 Hi there,

 Does any of this feedback go back to the custodians in South Australia?

 I am looking at improving some of the feedback loops.

 Thanks,
 Simon

 Simon Costello
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 Environmental Geoscience Division  |  GEOSCIENCE AUSTRALIA
 
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 Email:  simon.coste...@ga.gov.aumailto:simon.coste...@ga.gov.au
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 On 10 Mar 2015, at 11:01 am, Henry Haselgrove haselgr...@gmail.com
 mailto:haselgr...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree… with a dataset this large prioritisation is important. All your
 specific suggestions for culling parts from missing.osm sound good. It
 would be easy to add an option to the scripts to exclude highway={primary,
 secondary, track}. And the suggestions you made via github look good too.

 However, I think that some more significant changes to the script should
 be done before this data is unleased onto maproulette. The roads that are
 currently in missing.osm fall (more or less) under three categories:
 -- roads that are completely absent in OSM
 -- roads that appear in OSM, but have an empty name
 -- roads that appear in OSM and have a non-empty name
 which is different to the datasa name, either because OSM is wrong or
 datasa is wrong (or because both are right, such as “Mount Magnificent
 Road” versus “Mt. Magnificent Road”)

 I propose to modify the script to automatically exclude as much as
 possible from the third category. Because, it will be hard for an armchair
 mapper to decide whether OSM or datasa is wrong in those cases. I could try
 to do this over the coming week.

 I’m not sure I agree that the Adelaide metro area should be given
 particular priority over other areas. But I’m probably biased, since I grew
 up in rural SA!

 Probably we should make a posting to the osm “imports” list before too
 much longer, to let them know what we’re thinking.

 From: Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, 9 March 2015 5:32 AM
 To: Henry Haselgrove
 Cc: Alex Sims; OSM Australian Talk List
 Subject: Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au
 http://data.sa.gov.au

 So, after doing this manually for a bit; it's generally working well.

 There are some where spot checking against other sources suggests the
 dataset is wrong, how do you suggest we indicate these?

 I've put in NOTE or FIXME on the relevant way.


 The thing that is troubling me is the size of the dataset - a few hours
 work barely makes a dent.

 I've taken to deleting all Primary/Trunk, Secondary and Track ways from
 the data set; and then cropping stuff down to the metro adelaide area; and
 it's still very sizable.


 I'd be really keen on maproulette at this point - you seem to be able to
 produce updated files fairly regularly, adding a few bash

Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au

[Daniel O'Connor]

For those of your that are interested, we've made a fair number of
improvements to the process and edited quite a large number of ways.

You can see the improvement via http://qa.poole.ch/ - compared to other
states/places, South Australia is showing a very low density of errors. New
Zealand, Northern Territory and Tasmania seem comparable or slightly better.

There are approximately 5000 unnamed roads remaining, and 4000 naming
differences to check after that.
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Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Daniel O'Connor]

Hi Simon,
We are communicating back corrections via the LGAs; which in turn is fed to
DPTI and presumably onto datasets like GNAF eventually.
We are still feeling out the best way to track issues or questions. I
personally like github as a slightly more effective  way than person to
person email; as it radiates information well.

Unfortunately it's not to friendly to binary files/shapefiles; so it is
best used for feedback rather than as a publication spot (perhaps there are
things that can be done with CKAN to get the best of both worlds).

I think we as a community would be very interested in any suggestions to
make feedback more relevant/effective/streamlined. At SA's unleashed
(govhack) last year, a number of us got talking to the folks behind
data.sa.gov.au and this kind of problem - how can we show what value is
being created with open data, how can we turn it into a two way
conversation, etc.
On 13/03/2015 5:04 PM, simon.coste...@ga.gov.au wrote:

 Hi there,

 Does any of this feedback go back to the custodians in South Australia?

 I am looking at improving some of the feedback loops.

 Thanks,
 Simon

 Simon Costello
 Group Leader, National Location Information  |  EGD Management
 Environmental Geoscience Division  |  GEOSCIENCE AUSTRALIA
 
 Phone:  +61 2 6249 9716tel:+61%202%206249%209716Fax:  +61 2 6249
 tel:+61%202%206249%20
 Email:  simon.coste...@ga.gov.aumailto:simon.coste...@ga.gov.au
 Web:  www.ga.gov.auhttp://www.ga.gov.au/
 Cnr Jerrabomberra Avenue and Hindmarsh Drive Symonston ACT
 GPO Box 378 Canberra ACT 2601 Australiax-apple-data-detectors://3
 Applying geoscience to Australia’s most important challenges



 On 10 Mar 2015, at 11:01 am, Henry Haselgrove haselgr...@gmail.com
 mailto:haselgr...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree… with a dataset this large prioritisation is important. All your
 specific suggestions for culling parts from missing.osm sound good. It
 would be easy to add an option to the scripts to exclude highway={primary,
 secondary, track}. And the suggestions you made via github look good too.

 However, I think that some more significant changes to the script should
 be done before this data is unleased onto maproulette. The roads that are
 currently in missing.osm fall (more or less) under three categories:
 -- roads that are completely absent in OSM
 -- roads that appear in OSM, but have an empty name
 -- roads that appear in OSM and have a non-empty name
 which is different to the datasa name, either because OSM is wrong or
 datasa is wrong (or because both are right, such as “Mount Magnificent
 Road” versus “Mt. Magnificent Road”)

 I propose to modify the script to automatically exclude as much as
 possible from the third category. Because, it will be hard for an armchair
 mapper to decide whether OSM or datasa is wrong in those cases. I could try
 to do this over the coming week.

 I’m not sure I agree that the Adelaide metro area should be given
 particular priority over other areas. But I’m probably biased, since I grew
 up in rural SA!

 Probably we should make a posting to the osm “imports” list before too
 much longer, to let them know what we’re thinking.

 From: Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, 9 March 2015 5:32 AM
 To: Henry Haselgrove
 Cc: Alex Sims; OSM Australian Talk List
 Subject: Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au
 http://data.sa.gov.au

 So, after doing this manually for a bit; it's generally working well.

 There are some where spot checking against other sources suggests the
 dataset is wrong, how do you suggest we indicate these?

 I've put in NOTE or FIXME on the relevant way.


 The thing that is troubling me is the size of the dataset - a few hours
 work barely makes a dent.

 I've taken to deleting all Primary/Trunk, Secondary and Track ways from
 the data set; and then cropping stuff down to the metro adelaide area; and
 it's still very sizable.


 I'd be really keen on maproulette at this point - you seem to be able to
 produce updated files fairly regularly, adding a few bash scripts to turn
 that into curl friendly statements seems achievable.

 Going to start sending a few pull requests your way to get us started on
 this.



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Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au

[Daniel O'Connor]

https://github.com/CloCkWeRX/osm-scripts/tree/add_maproulette is what I
started last night.

Biggest missing part is a persistent identifier, because I manipulated the
samples via JOSM first (thus nuking a repeatable task id); and it's not
100% clear around if I should be creating One Big Task GeoJSON or a lot of
little ones.

I doubt my ruby script is going to scale well to the whole dataset either;
so if you wanted to produce .geojson in the format of
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/CloCkWeRX/osm-scripts/add_maproulette/maproulette/task.json

then the rest is pretty easy!

See http://dev.maproulette.org/api/challenges?return_inactive=1 for the
project stub.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Henry Haselgrove haselgr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I agree… with a dataset this large prioritisation is important. All your
 specific suggestions for culling parts from missing.osm sound good. It
 would be easy to add an option to the scripts to exclude highway={primary,
 secondary, track}. And the suggestions you made via github look good too.



 However, I think that some more significant changes to the script should
 be done before this data is unleased onto maproulette. The roads that are
 currently in missing.osm fall (more or less) under three categories:

 -- roads that are completely absent in OSM

 -- roads that appear in OSM, but have an empty name

 -- roads that appear in OSM and have a non-empty name
 which is different to the datasa name, either because OSM is wrong or
 datasa is wrong (or because both are right, such as “Mount Magnificent
 Road” versus “Mt. Magnificent Road”)



 I propose to modify the script to automatically exclude as much as
 possible from the third category. Because, it will be hard for an armchair
 mapper to decide whether OSM or datasa is wrong in those cases. I could try
 to do this over the coming week.



 I’m not sure I agree that the Adelaide metro area should be given
 particular priority over other areas. But I’m probably biased, since I grew
 up in rural SA!



 Probably we should make a posting to the osm “imports” list before too
 much longer, to let them know what we’re thinking.



 *From:* Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, 9 March 2015 5:32 AM
 *To:* Henry Haselgrove
 *Cc:* Alex Sims; OSM Australian Talk List
 *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au



 So, after doing this manually for a bit; it's generally working well.



 There are some where spot checking against other sources suggests the
 dataset is wrong, how do you suggest we indicate these?



 I've put in NOTE or FIXME on the relevant way.





 The thing that is troubling me is the size of the dataset - a few hours
 work barely makes a dent.



 I've taken to deleting all Primary/Trunk, Secondary and Track ways from
 the data set; and then cropping stuff down to the metro adelaide area; and
 it's still very sizable.





 I'd be *really* keen on maproulette at this point - you seem to be able
 to produce updated files fairly regularly, adding a few bash scripts to
 turn that into curl friendly statements seems achievable.



 Going to start sending a few pull requests your way to get us started on
 this.





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Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au

[Daniel O'Connor]

So, after doing this manually for a bit; it's generally working well.

There are some where spot checking against other sources suggests the
dataset is wrong, how do you suggest we indicate these?

I've put in NOTE or FIXME on the relevant way.


The thing that is troubling me is the size of the dataset - a few hours
work barely makes a dent.

I've taken to deleting all Primary/Trunk, Secondary and Track ways from the
data set; and then cropping stuff down to the metro adelaide area; and it's
still very sizable.


I'd be *really* keen on maproulette at this point - you seem to be able to
produce updated files fairly regularly, adding a few bash scripts to turn
that into curl friendly statements seems achievable.

Going to start sending a few pull requests your way to get us started on
this.


On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Henry Haselgrove haselgr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Well spotted, Alex. It is interesting that both of the errors you have
 found have been in the “type” part of the name (e.g., street/lane/terrace
 etc). There seems to be approximately 1000 roads where the difference
 between the OSM and datasa versions is the type (excluding cases that could
 easily be determined to be typos in OSM, like terace, cresent,  etc). I
 wonder what proportion of those 1000 are errors in datasa?



 I have decided to modify my scripts so that they omit from “missing.osm”
 cases where the difference is only in the road-type portion of the name.
 The script will now put these cases into a different file,
 “different_road_type.osm”, instead. Except, the cases of obviously
 misspelled OSM road types will stay in missing.osm.



 I have placed my latest versions of missing.osm and
 different_road_type.osm in the Google Drive folder. I have also pushed the
 new versions of the scripts to Github.



 Incidentally, the scripts now put the tag “upload=false” into the .osm
 files, so that if you accidentally hit “Upload” in JOSM when you are on
 that layer bad things won’t happen!



 Cheers,



 Henry



 *From:* Alex Sims [mailto:a...@softgrow.com]
 *Sent:* Thursday, 26 February 2015 1:35 AM
 *To:* OSM Australian Talk List
 *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au



 I’ve started finding errors not on OpenStreetMap but in the DPTI data.



 I’ve documented a fix process at
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/South_Australian_Roads#Errors_in_the_source_data



 It’s not as easy as an edit on the Map but it should work



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Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au

[Daniel O'Connor]

Neat. So map roulette would solve the 'no need to fix
On 22/02/2015 11:20 AM, Henry Haselgrove haselgr...@gmail.com wrote:



 *  From:* Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com
 daniel.ocon...@gmail.com]
  Softgrow has done some work in metro Adelaide around checking roads:
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Australia

 Thanks. I had seen the edits Softgrow has done, but I wasn’t aware it was
 documented anywhere

 * From:* Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com]
 * Sent:* Saturday, 21 February 2015 3:39 AM

  Couple of false positives:

  Knox Terrace (Metro area, near waterfall gully) - it's a bit windy and
 for some reason not matched



 Actually this is not a false positive. The OSM version of the name has too
 many R’s !!



  Some of the walking trails near mt lofty

  OBahn busway probably should be excluded.

  There's a lot of little laneways, etc that are worthwhile adding in on
 their own.



  Given that importing this is probably not a great idea, what other ways
 could you present the data - as a list with clickable links to the
 coordatines/OSM way?

  Or even better,
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapRoulette/Challenges ?



 I will try to give this some thought. I just had a brief look at
 MapRoulette, but I don’t really understand yet what the technical
 requirements are.



 Just loading the .osm file as a separate layer in JOSM seems to be a
 reasonable way to use the data. Potentially, I could re-generate the file
 often, to provide an up-to-date indication of what is left to do. However
 there would be no easy way for someone to mark for others the fact that a
 way doesn’t really need changing; and that could lead to some duplicated
 effort.



 Incidentally, I noticed that you used some of the data in the last 24hrs
 to update road names on KI. I decided to have a go too, adding some missing
 roads, also to KI. The procedure of copying a road from one layer to
 another, joining it to existing ways, and uploading, seems to be fairly
 easy once you get into the rhythm. I was able to add around one missing
 road every 30 seconds or so.



 By the way, I have just put an updated version of “missing.osm” in my
 Google Drive folder, based on the state of OSM today (rather than 9 Feb,
 like the previous one).



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Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au

[Daniel O'Connor]

Neat. So map roulette would solve the 'no need to fix' signal to others.

To make a project is just using curl plus json to describe it and add
tasks. Uh can't find github link right now but the api is pretty clear.

Happy to help set that up later today/this week, as well as get the process
automated (git, 1x cron, etc)

 On 22/02/2015 11:20 AM, Henry Haselgrove haselgr...@gmail.com wrote:



   From: Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com]
  Softgrow has done some work in metro Adelaide around checking roads:
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Australia

 Thanks. I had seen the edits Softgrow has done, but I wasn’t aware it
was documented anywhere

  From: Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Saturday, 21 February 2015 3:39 AM

  Couple of false positives:

  Knox Terrace (Metro area, near waterfall gully) - it's a bit windy and
for some reason not matched



 Actually this is not a false positive. The OSM version of the name has
too many R’s !!



  Some of the walking trails near mt lofty

  OBahn busway probably should be excluded.

  There's a lot of little laneways, etc that are worthwhile adding in on
their own.



  Given that importing this is probably not a great idea, what other
ways could you present the data - as a list with clickable links to the
coordatines/OSM way?

  Or even better,
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapRoulette/Challenges ?



 I will try to give this some thought. I just had a brief look at
MapRoulette, but I don’t really understand yet what the technical
requirements are.



 Just loading the .osm file as a separate layer in JOSM seems to be a
reasonable way to use the data. Potentially, I could re-generate the file
often, to provide an up-to-date indication of what is left to do. However
there would be no easy way for someone to mark for others the fact that a
way doesn’t really need changing; and that could lead to some duplicated
effort.



 Incidentally, I noticed that you used some of the data in the last 24hrs
to update road names on KI. I decided to have a go too, adding some missing
roads, also to KI. The procedure of copying a road from one layer to
another, joining it to existing ways, and uploading, seems to be fairly
easy once you get into the rhythm. I was able to add around one missing
road every 30 seconds or so.



 By the way, I have just put an updated version of “missing.osm” in my
Google Drive folder, based on the state of OSM today (rather than 9 Feb,
like the previous one).


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Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au

[Daniel O'Connor]

Softgrow has done some work in metro Adelaide around checking roads:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Australia

I would be keen for:
- New roads (housing developments etc) in metro, outer metro areas first
- Identifying naming conflicts in metro areas next

The later I would recommend manual checking of (happy to help) to avoid
clobbering roads that simply need splitting using a process like the one on
the sa project page.
On 21/02/2015 12:20 PM, Henry Haselgrove haselgr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,



 I have recently been looking at the “roads” dataset on data.sa.gov.au,
 and trying to figure out if there is a good way to use it in OSM.



 One thing I have tried so far is to process the data in a manner that
 identifies roads that are missing or incorrectly tagged in OSM.  The result
 is a .osm file that contains approximately 20,000 ways from data.sa.gov.au
 that are either missing or named differently to what is in OSM. The data
 covers not only SA but also the western 100km of VIC. I don’t think that
 automatically merging this data into OSM would be a good idea, unless
 anyone knows of a clever way to do that. However I reckon the file could be
 a valuable source for manual edits.



 I put a brief description of my work on the wiki:



 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/South_Australian_Roads



 I would be interested in other ideas you might have for how to use the
 source dataset. I should mention that, in the .osm file I have distilled so
 far, I tried to include only public roads, by excluding any way that does
 not have a name. About half of the source dataset consists of unnamed ways,
 which seem to be a combination of private access roads and driveways, and
 rural tracks. Perhaps some of this data could be useful in OSM too.



 Cheers,



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Re: [talk-au] Proposed import of SA waterbodies data

[Daniel O'Connor]

Secondly, is it better to do 4x imports for each feature set; starting at
the most high level feature layer?

I mean there are commonly things you just don't expect, so a trial run with
large obvious features is probably best; pushing further into detail.

Third one; why just features with names?
Part of the motivation for mapping smaller dams has been for things like
XPlane (realistic terrain); and excluding unnamed features would
potentially make the data set less useful than it could be

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.com
wrote:

 What's the level of detail like for small bodies of water?

 For example, I've put in some manual effort around small dams in places
 like http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/-35.0894/138.8376 - i'd be
 curious to see a preview of this sort of area with the merged data.

 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Henry Haselgrove haselgr...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi All,



 The South Australian government provides a dataset called “Waterbodies”
 on the website data.sa.gov.au.

 It contains information about approximately 150,000 lakes, reservoirs,
 wetlands, and dams throughout the state (and in some margin around the
 state). The SA government gave explicit permission for data from
 data.sa.gov.au to be used in OSM.



 I  have created the following wiki page to describe a plan I have to
 import some of the waterbodies data:

 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/South_Australian_Waterbodies



 Any feedback you have about the plan would be greatly appreciated!



 Thanks,



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Re: [talk-au] Proposed import of SA waterbodies data

[Daniel O'Connor]

What's the level of detail like for small bodies of water?

For example, I've put in some manual effort around small dams in places
like http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/-35.0894/138.8376 - i'd be
curious to see a preview of this sort of area with the merged data.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Henry Haselgrove haselgr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi All,



 The South Australian government provides a dataset called “Waterbodies” on
 the website data.sa.gov.au.

 It contains information about approximately 150,000 lakes, reservoirs,
 wetlands, and dams throughout the state (and in some margin around the
 state). The SA government gave explicit permission for data from
 data.sa.gov.au to be used in OSM.



 I  have created the following wiki page to describe a plan I have to
 import some of the waterbodies data:

 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/South_Australian_Waterbodies



 Any feedback you have about the plan would be greatly appreciated!



 Thanks,



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Re: [talk-au] City of Melbourne data imports

[Daniel O'Connor]

 One thing we could do is import some of their data into OSM. For example:
 - addresses


Addresses may be one of the more useful data sets, and you might want to
look at things like openaddresses.io as well - though I did open up a pull
request for VicMap data.

A similar import is
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/NYC_Buildings_Addresses
 - speaking to folks on the imports list will be useful, as there are
undoubtedly lessons learned etc that are applicable.

If they have the data, building footprints are also pretty neat.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geelong_Building_Import is one I did a
few months ago - some of the geospatial team there are dead keen on open
data and would no doubt be happy to talk with their melbourne counterparts
as well.
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Re: [talk-au] City of Melbourne data imports

[Daniel O'Connor]

Oh, and I nearly forgot: one of the issues with data is bitrot - you'll
want to think about not only the initial data import, but how best to keep
it up to date.

I've found subscribing to a feed of data from planningalerts.org.au is a
good indicator for when housing or addresses in my area are possibly going
to be invalidated.


On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.com
wrote:


 One thing we could do is import some of their data into OSM. For example:
 - addresses


 Addresses may be one of the more useful data sets, and you might want to
 look at things like openaddresses.io as well - though I did open up a
 pull request for VicMap data.

 A similar import is
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/NYC_Buildings_Addresses
  - speaking to folks on the imports list will be useful, as there are
 undoubtedly lessons learned etc that are applicable.

 If they have the data, building footprints are also pretty neat.
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geelong_Building_Import is one I did a
 few months ago - some of the geospatial team there are dead keen on open
 data and would no doubt be happy to talk with their melbourne counterparts
 as well.

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[talk-au] Data set of interest: Geelong roads (incl speed limits, one way, cycle attributes)

[Daniel O'Connor]

Hey all,
Some work went in earlier to import a number of geelong roofprints, and I
got to talking with the data provider, Martin, about data sets that might
be of interest to the community.

I've just spotted:
http://data.gov.au/dataset/7014a203-2e73-46f8-87b6-09e29172bb08

You can see most of the roads in Geelong are well named:

http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=highwayslon=144.38091lat=-38.1zoom=11overlays=name_missing_major,name_missing_minor,name_fixme

There's a lot less data for minor roads:
http://www.itoworld.com/map/124?lon=144.34969lat=-38.15224zoom=11

Presumably a lot are the default.

Interestingly, the data set contains *One Way*, *Cycle* and *Truck Route* flags
as well.

It would be a big deal to import all of this by hand or even script a bunch
of it, so perhaps cleaning up the primary and secondaries would be an
easier starting point (and most useful for routing):

http://www.itoworld.com/map/125?lon=144.32227lat=-38.15209zoom=12
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Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

[Daniel O'Connor]

 This is interesting. Looking at 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australian_government_public_information_datasets,
it seems ABS data should already be fine to use, and is indeed already in
use for suburbs. However from the import plan page 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/ABS_Data, the import
doesn't seem to have gotten too far, and also questions the accuracy of the
data.

 Given that many suburbs in NSW are currently indicated by nodes, would an
import of the ABS boundaries, however inaccurate, be better than nothing?

Possibly,  but to go further than the concerns in the abs data page - these
aren't suburbs,  just approximations for statistics at a fixed point in
time. That means there are areas where the population count is low and
distorts the reporting area.
As you would expect that's more remote areas, but it does make the data
different from the gazetted suburb lists.

If you had a process mapped out to migrate/redraw these when local data or
updated abs data is avail,  it'd be a lot more valuable than a one time
import.
Given its been raised before,  might be worth checking the imports and talk
Au archives for more nuanced opinions too.
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Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

[Daniel O'Connor]

So, the SA stuff is the result of an import.

A corresponding data set might be:
https://sdi.nsw.gov.au/sdi.nsw.gov.au/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid=%7B012BD68E-569E-4965-A4B0-48CBBBA64FF4%7D

... though you'd want to get in contact with the maintainers and get an
alternative licence+explicit permission to import it.



On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Michael Gratton m...@vee.net wrote:


 Hey list,

 So I just returned from Adelaide and was rather impressed with how well
 mapped the place is. In particular, it was cool that metro suburb
 boundaries were mapped out, such that searching for streets worked well.

 Does anyone know what the status is for adding suburb boundaries for
 Sydney? It would be nice to have that sorted out over here, too.

 //Mike





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Re: [talk-au] Wither Sydney suburb boundaries?

[Daniel O'Connor]

Oh, and streets too are the result of open data -
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Australia#Roads - well
worth doing if you have a public transport agency that consumes
openstreetmap for some of its journey planning, etc.





On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Daniel O'Connor
daniel.ocon...@gmail.comwrote:

 So, the SA stuff is the result of an import.

 A corresponding data set might be:

 https://sdi.nsw.gov.au/sdi.nsw.gov.au/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid=%7B012BD68E-569E-4965-A4B0-48CBBBA64FF4%7D

 ... though you'd want to get in contact with the maintainers and get an
 alternative licence+explicit permission to import it.



 On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Michael Gratton m...@vee.net wrote:


 Hey list,

 So I just returned from Adelaide and was rather impressed with how well
 mapped the place is. In particular, it was cool that metro suburb
 boundaries were mapped out, such that searching for streets worked well.

 Does anyone know what the status is for adding suburb boundaries for
 Sydney? It would be nice to have that sorted out over here, too.

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Re: [talk-au] Data Quality for addresses

[Daniel O'Connor]

Would be really good to tackle a lot of this with semi-automated importing
of open address data sets (Vicmap, for example).

We've been pretty lucky here in SA, with Alex Sims spending the last 4
months attaching data from data.sa.gov.au for road names (2800 entries
added! WOO).
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Australia#Roads

The motivation was to help our local transport system, Adelaide Metro,
which uses open street map tooling for route planning.


There's also been open data sets for buildings in Geelong, which have been
a boon - mixing in address data with them would push things heavily towards
completion.
I think some Tassie councils have a similar data set or two available.

Interestingly a lot of local or state governments probably have this data
available (the GNAF comes from *somewhere*), it'd be neat to have a
conversation about publishing that openly - particularly now that google
appears to be address complet-ish and importing LIDAR traces of buildings
too.


Imagine if things like planningalerts.org.au ended up with tighter
integration to OSM - being able to use OSM data for geocoding, and flagging
modifications to the map (new building, building demolished, new property
development, etc) - that'd be a really neat use case.

Alternatively, if foursquare started mixing together OSM data with their
existing datasets and contributing that back - I'd love a pretty detailed
map of food, restaurants, and much more based on crowd sourced data,
address completion, etc - half the posts on reddit boil down to I'm moving
to X, where's a good place to eat/live/etc?

I'm sure there's a bunch more use cases out there :)


On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 13/04/2014 7:51 AM, Richard Weait wrote:

 Dear All,

 Geofabrik has extended their address inspector layer to cover the
 whole world.  Previously, this data quality layer was only available
 in Europe.  It highlights potential errors in addressing, of
 inspection (and repair ?) by mappers.  Have a look!
 http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=addresseslon=115.86923lat=-32.01434zoom=16overlays=buildings,buildings_with_addresses,postal_code,no_addr_street,street_not_found,nodes_with_addresses_defined,nodes_with_addresses_interpolated,interpolation,interpolation_errors,connection_lines,nearest_points,nearest_roads

 If this link is too long to work for you, try up to the second /
 character, then zoom around.  I've centered on a street not found
 error.  One of you might have fixed it before the rest get to see it.
 :-)

  Street numbering is a long way down my 'todo' list! :) ...
 Missing roads/paths. (lots, many not 'local' to me but of interest in
 forth coming trips)
 Missing features (of use to me) - toilets, drinking water, etc (I can do
 these locally and no trips .. but not usually before a trip)
 Missing Street Names. (local, and then on a trip)
 Incorrect (wrong) features. (Local where I have some knowledge of what is
 wrong)
 Inappropriate layers. (Local, but could do anywhere!) ... there don't
 apear to be tools for this ... nor inspectors. Eg a road at layer -5 ..
 without tunnel. Parks at any layer other than 0. and so on.

 They are all more important to me than street addresses. Good luck to you
 if you want to chase this.



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[talk-au] Adelaide oval vs r21473635

[Daniel O'Connor]

I know the area has been redeveloped, but from driving past it on occasion,
the remapping doesn't at all look like my mental picture of it.

Changeset/remapping:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/21473635#map=17/-34.91607/138.59736

Any other mappers with knowledge of the area or project able to comment?

Given neither google maps or bing show the same details as the current
remapping, I'm wondering where the source data came from?
There's a few 3d models or flythroughs, but they don't seem to be free/open
data. The current mapping seems very precise (not like you'd expect if
drawn from memory/survey via a mobile device or whatever)
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Re: [talk-au] QLD GTFS Data Imports

[Daniel O'Connor]

 Bus stops sounds great although there is a stack load (thousands) of
 existing Brisbane Stops imported from a no longer accessible source (QROTI)
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/QROTI
 (Here is a quick example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/739929)


http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1RH - JOSM tells me there's 8,000+



 I'm more than happy to help out with importing although I don't know which
 way to jump on this because of potential route degradation the removal of
 existing stops will bring with it but I also acknowledge that the existing
 data is potentially incorrect given it is no longer maintained.

 If there is any way to review routes that have stop nodes
 (highway:bus_stop and public_transport:platform) associated to them that
 would be a good indicator of impact to these relations.


http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1RI


  If the ratio of stops to route relations is low enough then it would be
 grounds for removing all stops and adding them back into the route
 relations once the import was complete.  Here is one of my local routes
 with stops associated to it: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3316448 
 (The
 stops would be removed from that route if my suggestion was adopted)

 I suspect that might be more damaging than not.

Perhaps the best steps might be to try a tool like go-sync, or something
that can example the GTFS data and find existing bus stops by lat/long.

We'd want a few reports - OSM bus stops that aren't matched to a gtfs stop
(manual deletion candidates), new gtfs stops, and of course, the ones that
are a quick/simple match.

Let's start a write up and take it to the imports list for further advice.
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Re: [talk-au] QLD GTFS Data Imports

[Daniel O'Connor]

So, I might spend an hour or two generating a few .osm files with imported
data, so we can get an picture of what it looks like without doing an
import.

https://github.com/CloCkWeRX/data.gov.au-qconnect-gtfs is a quick repo I
added with all of the data extracted, and an initial.osm which shows every
bus stop in QLD, roughly.


On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Jason Ward jasonjwa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Daniel,

 Wow that is a lot.  I looked at
 http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=qroti#keys and was considering
 these as candidates for removal and replacement with the new gtfs data /
 positioning.

 I presume nodes tagged without these key:value tags would come under the
 standard duplication checks you've described.  That said I expect that the
 qroti tagged nodes could also be handled in the same way with an extra step
 for this dataset to remove those key:value tags as a post process step (OR
 as a pre-process step if that is more appropriate).

 Importantly, we'd need to update the qroti wiki page ( with information
 about this import and the actions taken to remove this information).

 I've just signed up to the import list too.

 Re: Go-Sync I note that one of the assumptions that software operates
 under is that few bus stops have already been mapped in OSM for the city
 served by the agency with a bolded section directly under that assumption
 in the Wiki noting *GO_Sync should not be used in areas where the local
 OSM mapping community has already mapped a substantial number of the
 agency's bus stops.*


 Cheers,

 Jason


 On 26 December 2013 12:14, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.comwrote:





 Bus stops sounds great although there is a stack load (thousands) of
 existing Brisbane Stops imported from a no longer accessible source (QROTI)
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/QROTI
 (Here is a quick example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/739929)


 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1RH - JOSM tells me there's 8,000+



 I'm more than happy to help out with importing although I don't know
 which way to jump on this because of potential route degradation the
 removal of existing stops will bring with it but I also acknowledge that
 the existing data is potentially incorrect given it is no longer maintained.

 If there is any way to review routes that have stop nodes
 (highway:bus_stop and public_transport:platform) associated to them that
 would be a good indicator of impact to these relations.


 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1RI


   If the ratio of stops to route relations is low enough then it would
 be grounds for removing all stops and adding them back into the route
 relations once the import was complete.  Here is one of my local routes
 with stops associated to it:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3316448 (The stops would be
 removed from that route if my suggestion was adopted)

 I suspect that might be more damaging than not.

 Perhaps the best steps might be to try a tool like go-sync, or something
 that can example the GTFS data and find existing bus stops by lat/long.

 We'd want a few reports - OSM bus stops that aren't matched to a gtfs
 stop (manual deletion candidates), new gtfs stops, and of course, the ones
 that are a quick/simple match.

 Let's start a write up and take it to the imports list for further advice.



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Re: [talk-au] data.qld.gov.au explicit permission request

[Daniel O'Connor]

On Thursday, December 5, 2013, Jason Ward wrote:

 Hi again,

 There has been a response from TMR and the necessary permission has been
 obtained (for their datasets 
 accessiblehttps://data.qld.gov.au/organizationon the
 data.qld.gov.au portal).  I have an administrative query to be cleared by
 TMR before I make any amendments to the Wiki.

 Its a start and the gtfs data will shortly be okay to use (once the
 attribution goes up).


So, how would we like to approach this? Bus stop import and reconcile with
existing data? Full routes? something else?

I did a gtfs bus stop import for SA via a josm plugin, but managed to
accidentally add a few doubled stops a year ago or so. I would probably
look at a few custom tools to generate .osm files and avoid dupes this time
around, so it can be repeatedly sync'd

Happy to help write up the various import plans.
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Re: [talk-au] South Australia - Public Transport / OSM data

[Daniel O'Connor]

Alrighty, so:

1) The import of SA suburb boundaries is now effectively complete

2) Minor cleanup work (simplified ways that don't quite join with their
other boundaries) remains, but for routing purposes unless someone is on a
boat in a river, things should be fairly OK.
These are only an issue for very detailed polygons, and I'm fixing by
removing excess nodes.

3) I had issues with Daw Park, and one or two other areas (regional or
existing features), which I'll be cleaning up shortly - either by applying
the tags to the existing feature or by manually tracing.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/South_Australian_Suburb_Boundaries has
more detail.



Through work (property valuation) I'm pushing for us to start marking out
property developments and share that data.

We already get access to plans and physically travel out there across the
nation, so introducing a tool like vespucchi to record a really rough
polygon while in the field isn't too much of a stretch.


Alternatively, we can probably find a number of property development
companies publishing plans via google or planning alerts, and organize for
mappers to go survey in the area.

http://www.planningalerts.org.au/authorities#sa - I wrote a scraper for
this some time ago; it might need a bit of attention to get working again (
http://www.planningalerts.org.au/authorities/edala/applicationsspecifically).
Presumably you'd only want land area  1 acre or something
to be flagged; as standard resi development stuff isn't going to get a new
name.




On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Walker, Garth (DPTI) 
garth.wal...@sa.gov.au wrote:

 Hi Daniel,

 For our purposes we do use both, but key are suburbs and suburb boundaries.

 Particularly of newly created suburbs and residential developments.



 I’ve seen some of Clockwerx contributions. Keep up the good work.

 We have noticed the layers have improved in the last little while.



 *From:* Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Thursday, 28 November 2013 12:08 AM
 *To:* waldo000...@gmail.com
 *Cc:* Walker, Garth (DPTI); talk-au@openstreetmap.org
 *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] South Australia - Public Transport / OSM data



   Smaller Shopping Centres, Councils and other places of interest not
 named.



 Garth, when you say Council; do you mean the spatial LGA level
 description, or even just suburbs/suburb boundaries?



 If its the latter, you might be interested in

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/South_Australian_Suburb_Boundaries

 ... which is about 300/1800 locations imported so far - hopefully, you
 should see improvements to routing as a result, particularly in tiny
 suburbs.





 On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Daniel O'Connor 
 daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote:

 With

  Street Address Limitations ( missing streets and street numbers)



 At the moment, this is a bit painful, but quite possible to fix up
 manually.





 The full extent of the problem is visible through the OSM inspector,
 highways layer.


 http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=highwayslon=138.53329lat=-34.91724zoom=10overlays=name_missing_major,name_missing_minor,name_fixme



 We actually have the data and explicit permission for this available to us:

 http://data.sa.gov.au/dataset/roads



 ... it's just tricky to manually find and name things using tools like
 QGIS.



 I tend to:

  - Load OSMI

  - Find a dense area of unnamed roads
  - Manually check and reconcile each one against the shapefile



 While there might be better ways, and this won't catch roads that blend
 into each other; it's at least a start.



 Annoyingly, OSMI refreshes once a week so you don't see much progress.







 Would people be interested if I started up a mapcraft job to work on this
 sort of thing?

 http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/288 is an example of one doing building
 mapping - naming roads is probably a lot easier.



 On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 5:23 PM, waldo000...@gmail.com 
 waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:

 Exciting to have you on board, Garth. I'm in Brisbane but would be happy
 to help with 'armchair' tasks if and when they arise. Hope you get a good
 response from SA mappers.

 Cheers,

 Roy



 On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Walker, Garth (DPTI) 
 garth.wal...@sa.gov.au wrote:

 Hi all,

 I was lucky enough to get in contact with Alex Sims who is the local OSM
 contact for media here in SA.



 I’m working on supporting one of our Public Transport Initiatives Open
 Trip Planning which uses OSM mapping data, and looking to the community for
 support to enhance the current mapping data available for metropolitan
 South Australia.



 Currently we’ve identified that there are several areas of OSM which
 require tagging for pedestrian access, which impacts our open trip planning
 routing options.



 · Street Address Limitations ( missing streets and street numbers)

 · walking paths data not included across many of the highways
 (North East and Main North Gepps cross) connected to transport

[talk-au] Dataset of interest: Geelong buildings

[Daniel O'Connor]

Hi all,
Just saw http://data.gov.au/dataset/41527e85-0907-4faf-b5f4-e9655b23d128appear
on my RSS feeds.

Would there be interest in importing this data?

Along with perhaps
http://services.land.vic.gov.au/landchannel/content/vicmapdata?productID=1?
(Explicit permission for this data set would be needed)

If so, and if there are local geelong mappers on the list I could work
with, I'll happily write up the proposal in more detail.
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Re: [talk-au] Adding residential properties?

[Daniel O'Connor]

I started out with buildings, but got a bit excited in my local area;
getting down into trees, power lines, fences, driveways etc.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/-34.84928/138.52277

Not super pretty looking.


Nowdays, I tend to map the primary houses only, and perhaps significant
features like a tennis court or pool if present.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-34.8808/138.5473

I wouldn't worry about tracing the individual parcels of land - there are
better data sets which are maintained by various governments, either at
cost or as open data (vicmap cadastre, psma's cadlite, etc); but to my
knowledge no one is flying LIDAR equipped planes over AU cities and
publishing the data yet re buildings.

Anyway once you get past your street/block/etc; I'd recommend you start
tracing buildings along your way to work or a similar commute.
That lets you use a tool like Vespucci OSM Editor or Keypad Mapper 3 to
collect data, if you are a public transport user or tend to walk from A to
B.

Another piece of data that is quite interesting is building:levels.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building:levels

If you work in the city as I do, it becomes fairly easy to tag the multiple
story buildings with the same tools.
http://osmbuildings.org/?lat=-34.92556lon=138.60092zoom=16




On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

  From: Will Rouesnel [mailto:w.roues...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:34 AM
  To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
  Subject: [talk-au] Adding residential properties?
 
  A simple example starting with my own house - how should residential
  buildings be tagged?
 
  The block they sit on is more of a land use concern, but the specific
  buildings don't occupy the entire block - and seem like they should be
  tagged house.
 
  Is this a correct way to go about things? The goal here would be to get
  my local area updated with street numbers so generated addresses can
  provide navigation to specific locations.
 
  Would it be correct to trace the outline of the blocks, and label them
  with the address and tag the land as residential use? Would this be
  likely to accomplish the overall goal (provide street numbers for my
  area)?

 My practice is

 - Add the buidings from imagery, generally with building=house and
   building=shed

 - Add address info from a survey, either with field papers + pen or
   geotagged photos

 - Add other interesting features from the survey (paths, mailboxes, etc)

 - Trace out the landuse, generally as larger than single blocks, but
   using separate polygons for areas split on major roads

 This generally involves an initial imagery-based mapping for buildings,
 trees, paths, and other stuff visible from imagery, a survey, then a
 final mapping using survey notes + imagery.

 It helps having buildings mapped already when collecting addresses.


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Re: [talk-au] Can I delete these suburbs

[Daniel O'Connor]

Are they by chance a new development or similar?

Can ask at work, have valuers/appraiser who probably know the area from
survey/local knowledge.
On 03/12/2013 4:25 PM, Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I'm looking at changesets
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/17084700
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/17084304

 and I'm beginning to think these streets and suburbs off Hillier Road and
 Redbanks road with many un-named streets simply do not exist.

 There are no public roads and I think they are just paddocks.

 Are there any steps I should take before deleting them?

 Alex

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Re: [talk-au] South Australia - Public Transport / OSM data

[Daniel O'Connor]

Updated the wiki.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Australia#Mapcraft_Projects.2C_Imports_and_more


On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Alex Sims softg...@internode.on.netwrote:

 Hi,

 I had a bit of a go at the missing street names last night and have
 developed a workflow and and measures. I'd invite any armchair mappers to
 help me on this.

 I'm getting through about 100 missing names per hour so there is about 28
 hours of armchair mapping here that will help quite a bit. I've done most
 of the bit between Churchill Road, Grand Junction Road, Hampstead Road and
 the ring route.

 Measures:
 Sum the number of missing names and major roads for each OSMI update using
 the following scripts: As of 2013-11-26 20:52 (UTC) its 304 major and
 2607 minor = 2911 total

 wget 
 http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/view/highways/wxs?SERVICE=WFSVERSION=1.0.0REQUEST=GetFeatureBBOX=138.42,-35.35,138.92,-34.56TYPENAME=name_missing_major;
 -O - | grep ms:way_id | wc -l

 wget 
 http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/view/highways/wxs?SERVICE=WFSVERSION=1.0.0REQUEST=GetFeatureBBOX=138.42,-35.35,138.92,-34.56TYPENAME=name_missing_minor;
 -O - | grep ms:way_id | wc -l


 Workflow:
 step 1 - Identify a rectangular area (bounding box) to work on from
 http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=highwayslon=138.61652lat=-34.89897zoom=11overlays=name_missing_major,name_missing_minor
 step 2 - Download Roads.zip from http://data.sa.gov.au/dataset/roadswhich has 
 street names in it
 step 3 - Create a new vector layer in QGIS from roads.zip (takes a minute
 or two)
 step 4 - select the bounding box identified in step 1 in QGIS (the
 bounding box tool is in a pull-down icon)
 step 4 - export the selected objects in this layer to a new shapefile.
 This gives something that JOSM will load quickly
 step 5 - Open up JOSM and open the shapefile from step 4 (needs the
 OpenData plug in), this should be fairly quick and painless
 step 6 - As a new layer, download part of the area identified at step 1 to
 work on
 step 7 - press validate
 step 8 - for each unnamed way identified at step 7, zoom to it and then
 alter the visible layer to identify the name, then edit in the correct name
 and use a tag source:name=data.sa.gov.au. Remove fixme=name tags if
 present
 step 9 - repeat steps 7 and 8 until no unnamed ways are left
 step 10 - time permitting have a look at other JOSM identified validation
 errors
 step 11 - repeat step 6 to 10 until the whole area is covered
 step 12 - repeat steps 1 to 11 until all of Adelaide is fixed

 Alex


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 To:
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 Subject:
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Re: [talk-au] South Australia - Public Transport / OSM data

[Daniel O'Connor]

Also, added a mapcraft project to help share/visualize progress/generate a
bounding box easily.
http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/337



On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Daniel O'Connor
daniel.ocon...@gmail.comwrote:

 Updated the wiki.

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Australia#Mapcraft_Projects.2C_Imports_and_more


 On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Alex Sims softg...@internode.on.netwrote:

 Hi,

 I had a bit of a go at the missing street names last night and have
 developed a workflow and and measures. I'd invite any armchair mappers to
 help me on this.

 I'm getting through about 100 missing names per hour so there is about 28
 hours of armchair mapping here that will help quite a bit. I've done most
 of the bit between Churchill Road, Grand Junction Road, Hampstead Road and
 the ring route.

 Measures:
 Sum the number of missing names and major roads for each OSMI update
 using the following scripts: As of 2013-11-26 20:52 (UTC) its 304 major
 and 2607 minor = 2911 total

 wget 
 http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/view/highways/wxs?SERVICE=WFSVERSION=1.0.0REQUEST=GetFeatureBBOX=138.42,-35.35,138.92,-34.56TYPENAME=name_missing_major;
 -O - | grep ms:way_id | wc -l

 wget 
 http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/view/highways/wxs?SERVICE=WFSVERSION=1.0.0REQUEST=GetFeatureBBOX=138.42,-35.35,138.92,-34.56TYPENAME=name_missing_minor;
 -O - | grep ms:way_id | wc -l


 Workflow:
 step 1 - Identify a rectangular area (bounding box) to work on from
 http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=highwayslon=138.61652lat=-34.89897zoom=11overlays=name_missing_major,name_missing_minor
 step 2 - Download Roads.zip from http://data.sa.gov.au/dataset/roadswhich 
 has street names in it
 step 3 - Create a new vector layer in QGIS from roads.zip (takes a minute
 or two)
 step 4 - select the bounding box identified in step 1 in QGIS (the
 bounding box tool is in a pull-down icon)
 step 4 - export the selected objects in this layer to a new shapefile.
 This gives something that JOSM will load quickly
 step 5 - Open up JOSM and open the shapefile from step 4 (needs the
 OpenData plug in), this should be fairly quick and painless
 step 6 - As a new layer, download part of the area identified at step 1
 to work on
 step 7 - press validate
 step 8 - for each unnamed way identified at step 7, zoom to it and then
 alter the visible layer to identify the name, then edit in the correct name
 and use a tag source:name=data.sa.gov.au. Remove fixme=name tags if
 present
 step 9 - repeat steps 7 and 8 until no unnamed ways are left
 step 10 - time permitting have a look at other JOSM identified validation
 errors
 step 11 - repeat step 6 to 10 until the whole area is covered
 step 12 - repeat steps 1 to 11 until all of Adelaide is fixed

 Alex


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 From:
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 To:
 talk-au@openstreetmap.org talk-au@openstreetmap.org
 Cc:

 Sent:
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 Subject:
 [talk-au] South Australia - Public Transport / OSM data


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 require tagging for pedestrian access, which impacts our open trip planning
 routing options.



 · Street Address Limitations ( missing streets and street
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Re: [talk-au] Gold Coast Suburb Boundaries

[Daniel O'Connor]

If you want to do something that helps, but aren't sure where to begin on
the technical parts; try doing the following up on the first step of the
import guidelines' advice: ask for explicit permission.

Here's two other examples of it working successfully
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/sa.data.gov.au_explicit_permission

If you can't get an answer from data.qld.gov.au (
https://data.qld.gov.au/dataset/locality-boundaries-queensland) consider
approaching NRM; who might have a closer relationship with the data set
maintainer (
http://www.nrm.qld.gov.au/services_resources/item_details.php?item_id=32736)



On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 6:38 AM, Steve Dalton st...@refactor.com.au wrote:

 Thanks everyone,  that great info.  I'll talk to the council about it.
 They are keen to help.  They might be able to also help with overall qld to
 issue.

 In meantime I'll see if I can manually fix my suburb

 Sent from my Android phone
 On 27 Nov 2013 05:18, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi.

 In terms of Is there a way to enter it? suburb/town boundaries are an
 admin boundary. Make a relation of the ways that enclose the area with
 boundary=admin. Check the wiki for the right level for towns/suburbs. (I
 think 8 but I could be wrong.)

- Ben Kelley.
  On 27 Nov 2013 00:03, Steve Dalton st...@refactor.com.au wrote:

 Hi All

 Finally found the AU OSM list!

 I'm currently doing a bit of work with OSM for a client and I've
 stumbled on a problem I had some time ago. Gold Coast suburbs are
 completely wrong!

 I'm pretty new to OSM - so forgive my ignorance here, but from what I
 can see the administrative boundary for suburb is just set from a
 point and it just calculates your suburb from the nearest
 administrative point. So I live in Parkwood (no point has been set for
 this), my street comes up as Nerang and the street next to me comes up
 as Helensvale!

 If I was to get hold of proper suburb boundaries from the council - is
 there any way to even enter it? I can't quite see how. Has anyone in
 other cities done this? I did see some reference to Adelaide in the
 list archives but as I've not done a lot of geospatial work some of
 the terms and formats were new to me.

 There is quite a bit of support for Open Data at the moment in Gold
 Coast City council, so would appreciate any advice from other
 contributors on the best format for data, best way to get this data
 into OSM (if possible) and how best to work with the council.

 I would really like to encourage OSM usage more in my local area - but
 with a fundamental problem like this - it's a bit embarrassing. My
 general response to things like this is to use RMS's words We can fix
 that! but I'm a little stumped here on how to go about it, so any
 help appreciated.

 Many thanks
 Steve

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Re: [talk-au] South Australia - Public Transport / OSM data

[Daniel O'Connor]

With
 Street Address Limitations ( missing streets and street numbers)

At the moment, this is a bit painful, but quite possible to fix up manually.


The full extent of the problem is visible through the OSM inspector,
highways layer.
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=highwayslon=138.53329lat=-34.91724zoom=10overlays=name_missing_major,name_missing_minor,name_fixme

We actually have the data and explicit permission for this available to us:
http://data.sa.gov.au/dataset/roads

... it's just tricky to manually find and name things using tools like QGIS.

I tend to:
 - Load OSMI
 - Find a dense area of unnamed roads
 - Manually check and reconcile each one against the shapefile

While there might be better ways, and this won't catch roads that blend
into each other; it's at least a start.

Annoyingly, OSMI refreshes once a week so you don't see much progress.



Would people be interested if I started up a mapcraft job to work on this
sort of thing?
http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/288 is an example of one doing building
mapping - naming roads is probably a lot easier.


On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 5:23 PM, waldo000...@gmail.com 
waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:

 Exciting to have you on board, Garth. I'm in Brisbane but would be happy
 to help with 'armchair' tasks if and when they arise. Hope you get a good
 response from SA mappers.
 Cheers,
 Roy


 On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Walker, Garth (DPTI) 
 garth.wal...@sa.gov.au wrote:

 Hi all,

 I was lucky enough to get in contact with Alex Sims who is the local OSM
 contact for media here in SA.



 I’m working on supporting one of our Public Transport Initiatives Open
 Trip Planning which uses OSM mapping data, and looking to the community for
 support to enhance the current mapping data available for metropolitan
 South Australia.



 Currently we’ve identified that there are several areas of OSM which
 require tagging for pedestrian access, which impacts our open trip planning
 routing options.



 · Street Address Limitations ( missing streets and street
 numbers)

 · walking paths data not included across many of the highways
 (North East and Main North Gepps cross) connected to transport
 infrastructure, such as railway stations, and bus interchanges. Grange is a
 hot spot, as has been Aldinga, Blackwood and Belair, Mclaren vale ( which
 looks like its improving) and some areas around

 · Southern and Northern suburb areas not detailed

 · Smaller Shopping Centres, Councils and other places of
 interest not named.





 I’d be very happy to help as I am also involved with the Government Open
 Data program at http://data.sa.gov.au/

 I’m keen on building some good relationships with contributors and
 application developers so would like to gather some more support for OSM in
 South Australia.



 Hope to hear from you all.



 Kind Regards



 *Garth Walker*

 *Customer Information Project Officer*

 *Client Experience Project Manager*



 Customer Experience | Public Transport Services

 Department of Planning, Transport and Infrastructure

 GPO BOX 1553, Adelaide, SA, 5001

 Government of South Australia



 *Telephone (Primary): (08) 8218 2108 %2808%29%208218%202108*

 *Email: garth.wal...@sa.gov.au garth.wal...@sa.gov.au*

 Web: www.dpti.sa.gov.au http://www.dtei.sa.gov.au/

 For all your public transport information go to www.adelaidemetro.com.au





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Re: [talk-au] South Australia - Public Transport / OSM data

[Daniel O'Connor]

  Smaller Shopping Centres, Councils and other places of interest not
named.

Garth, when you say Council; do you mean the spatial LGA level description,
or even just suburbs/suburb boundaries?

If its the latter, you might be interested in
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/South_Australian_Suburb_Boundaries
... which is about 300/1800 locations imported so far - hopefully, you
should see improvements to routing as a result, particularly in tiny
suburbs.


On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Daniel O'Connor
daniel.ocon...@gmail.comwrote:

 With
  Street Address Limitations ( missing streets and street numbers)

 At the moment, this is a bit painful, but quite possible to fix up
 manually.


 The full extent of the problem is visible through the OSM inspector,
 highways layer.

 http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=highwayslon=138.53329lat=-34.91724zoom=10overlays=name_missing_major,name_missing_minor,name_fixme

 We actually have the data and explicit permission for this available to us:
 http://data.sa.gov.au/dataset/roads

 ... it's just tricky to manually find and name things using tools like
 QGIS.

 I tend to:
  - Load OSMI
  - Find a dense area of unnamed roads
  - Manually check and reconcile each one against the shapefile

 While there might be better ways, and this won't catch roads that blend
 into each other; it's at least a start.

 Annoyingly, OSMI refreshes once a week so you don't see much progress.



 Would people be interested if I started up a mapcraft job to work on this
 sort of thing?
 http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/288 is an example of one doing building
 mapping - naming roads is probably a lot easier.


 On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 5:23 PM, waldo000...@gmail.com 
 waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:

 Exciting to have you on board, Garth. I'm in Brisbane but would be happy
 to help with 'armchair' tasks if and when they arise. Hope you get a good
 response from SA mappers.
 Cheers,
 Roy


 On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Walker, Garth (DPTI) 
 garth.wal...@sa.gov.au wrote:

 Hi all,

 I was lucky enough to get in contact with Alex Sims who is the local OSM
 contact for media here in SA.



 I’m working on supporting one of our Public Transport Initiatives Open
 Trip Planning which uses OSM mapping data, and looking to the community for
 support to enhance the current mapping data available for metropolitan
 South Australia.



 Currently we’ve identified that there are several areas of OSM which
 require tagging for pedestrian access, which impacts our open trip planning
 routing options.



 · Street Address Limitations ( missing streets and street
 numbers)

 · walking paths data not included across many of the highways
 (North East and Main North Gepps cross) connected to transport
 infrastructure, such as railway stations, and bus interchanges. Grange is a
 hot spot, as has been Aldinga, Blackwood and Belair, Mclaren vale ( which
 looks like its improving) and some areas around

 · Southern and Northern suburb areas not detailed

 · Smaller Shopping Centres, Councils and other places of
 interest not named.





 I’d be very happy to help as I am also involved with the Government Open
 Data program at http://data.sa.gov.au/

 I’m keen on building some good relationships with contributors and
 application developers so would like to gather some more support for OSM in
 South Australia.



 Hope to hear from you all.



 Kind Regards



 *Garth Walker*

 *Customer Information Project Officer*

 *Client Experience Project Manager*



 Customer Experience | Public Transport Services

 Department of Planning, Transport and Infrastructure

 GPO BOX 1553, Adelaide, SA, 5001

 Government of South Australia



 *Telephone (Primary): (08) 8218 2108 %2808%29%208218%202108*

 *Email: garth.wal...@sa.gov.au garth.wal...@sa.gov.au*

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Re: [talk-au] South Australia - Public Transport / OSM data

[Daniel O'Connor]

Yeah, that'd be really, really great if SA could publish cadastre and other
information openly.

It'd be interesting to know what's already available via the land services
group - I know for example that cadastre and address info is published and
integrated by the PSMA to make GNAF/Cadlite information; but presumably
that's not an easy process to open up to the public at the drop of a hat.

That said, just last week I was speaking to a few commercial entities who
were helping with the publication of vicmap data - taking the raw
shapefiles and slicing/dicing/serving it up to business, to take away the
integration pains - so there are clear examples of both the public and
commercial sectors benefiting from this sort of open data.



On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:


  ·Street Address Limitations ( missing streets and street numbers)


 Make a dataset like this available for inclusion in openstreetmap

 http://www.data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/vicmap-address/4875

 Would resolve the above fairly rapidly.

 Cheers
 Ross


 ·walking paths data not included across many of the highways (North East

 and Main North Gepps cross) connected to transport infrastructure, such
 as railway stations, and bus interchanges. Grange is a hot spot, as has
 been Aldinga, Blackwood and Belair, Mclaren vale ( which looks like its
 improving) and some areas around

 ·Southern and Northern suburb areas not detailed

 ·Smaller Shopping Centres, Councils and other places of interest not
 named.

 I’d be very happy to help as I am also involved with the Government Open
 Data program at http://data.sa.gov.au/

 I’m keen on building some good relationships with contributors and
 application developers so would like to gather some more support for OSM
 in South Australia.


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Re: [talk-au] Fwd: {Adelaide Metro Developer Group} Open Street Maps Contribution

[Daniel O'Connor]

Would be great to participate in that convo.

Have being doing a lot of HOT stuff with Haiyan, and that has generated a
lot of possibilities for what I do during work hours (property industry) -
custom tiles,  how quickly satellite data was acquired,  use of the task
manager.

While my work interests are more on land than routing, would be neat to see
what can be useful to them.
On 20/11/2013 4:40 PM, Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I met this afternoon with Garth Walker from the SA Government DPTI who’s
 using OpenStreetMap data with OpenJourneyPlanner for public transport
 journey planning on Adelaidemetro.com.au

 One thing that came up early on was a lot of footpaths crossing but not
 meeting highways giving them and their users issues, e.g. from KeepRight


 http://www.keepright.at/report_map.php?zoom=13lat=-34.91529lon=138.52762layers=B0Tch=0%2C191%2C192%2C193%2C194%2C195%2C196%2C197%2C198show_ign=1show_tmpign=1

 If anyone is feeling like some armchair mapping here it would be most
 appreciated.

 One question I tried to answer for Garth is how could his area help
 OpenStreetMap locally. I had a couple of ideas:
 * A loan drone that I saw elsewhere today that can get images and
 integrates into OpenStreetMap and seems practical, (at least in France) for
 mapping areas without imagery quickly from 120m
 * A Friday afternoon meeting for them to show us how they use OpenStreetMap
 * Release of Survey Marks in SA for georeferencing

 Are there any more ideas?

 It was really helpful for me to find someone putting all of our hard work
 to good use in a public way.

 Alex

 Begin forwarded message:

 *From: *GW - Customer Experience garth.wal...@sa.gov.au
 *Subject: **{Adelaide Metro Developer Group} Open Street Maps
 Contribution*
 *Date: *20 November 2013 3:35:06 pm ACDT
 *To: *adelaide-metro-developer-gr...@googlegroups.com

 I'd like to say hi to the Open Street Maps community.

 We've identified a few areas of improvement for South Australian Open
 Street Maps which we would encourage contributors to focus on.
 It would be really helpful to us and we're keen on building a relationship
 with the community on this front.


 We're keen to see improvements to walking paths, official bike ways,
 accessibility detail, street address detail and points of interest such as
 tourist destinations.



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Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 76, Issue 5

[Daniel O'Connor]

Can I recommend for the smaller data sets, that conversion scripts are done
and published to github?

Ie: shp to geo json is done, then geojosn to osm, plus splitting, etc?
That allows you to preview, and when the underlying data changes, version
control it a little.

I have the same issues to solve for SA data (roads, boundaries, etc)

On Saturday, October 12, 2013, Li Xia wrote:

 We need to get the vicmap data in a form that will have maximum - can
 you be more specific?

 Do you have any experience in merging datasets in josm?

 Li.


 On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 Whatever process we undertake will have large manual elements to
 integrate the datasets and keep them updated.  Even if that is simply
 merging the datasets in josm.

 We need to get the vicmap data in a form that will have maximum
 utility to OSM mappers.

 Ian.

 On 12 October 2013 09:09, Li Xia m...@lixia.co wrote:
  Hi Nick,
 
  Yes, vicmap data does contain road geometry, names plus many more
  attributes.
 
  Vicmap also produces are raster version from this dataset so that work is
  already done. I will enquiry about getting access to this. However
 manually
  tracing and editing is a LOT of work.
 
  Does anyone know of a process where a mass import can be done without
  manually tracing imagery?
 
  The dataset is very comprehensive. Here's a quick summary of it's
 features:
 
  Release under Creative commons 3.0 license, dataset can be obtained in
  various formats from http://www.data.vic.gov.au/ The has heaps of
 datasets.
  I've downloaded most relevant datasets in shp format and combined the
  datasets into logical structure, download links below. If anyone is
 interest
  in other features such as forestry reserves, national parks etc, have a
 look
  and pull the data down from data.vic.
 
  Transport shp data documentation
  Hydro - shp data - documentation
  Administrative - shp data
 
  Li.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  Does anyone have experience on importing data? In particular avoiding
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Re: [talk-au] South Australia Suburb Boundries

[Daniel O'Connor]

Hrm, this email got filtered I think due to the attachments.

On Saturday, October 12, 2013, Daniel O'Connor wrote:

 Did the bits to produce .osm files (again on github); suitable to open up
 and view in JOSM.

 I spot checked two areas near me that I know well, and the accuracy is
 pretty high.

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/241675341
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/241667279

 I guess this discussion probably does want to head over to the imports
 list shortly.

 Any volunteers to help write up a fairly complete plan? I really don't
 fancy doing ~3000 suburb boundaries one by one in JOSM and checking them
 all myself; on top of doing all of the writeups/status updates/etc.
 Also, I have overseas travel in the coming weeks; so am likely to vanish
 half way through the conversation unless there's at least one other mapper
 with ownership.
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Plan_Outline



 On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Daniel O'Connor 
 daniel.ocon...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 
 'daniel.ocon...@gmail.com');
  wrote:

 I did look through a few of the existing tools; but most fell into the
 too hard basket. In the end, manually doing it via QGIS and exporting into
 the right projection was fairly easy.

 I've pushed to github what I've done; which is produce geojson  kml
 serializations of it - I had assumed geojson.io would let me export
 easily to OSM, but unfortunately that's not the case.

 Example:

 https://github.com/CloCkWeRX/data.sa.gov.au-suburb-boundaries/blob/master/suburbs/suburbs_0.geojson

 Repo:
 https://github.com/CloCkWeRX/data.sa.gov.au-suburb-boundaries/

 Anyway, I'm more or less going to stop there, unless someone wants to do
 a quick bit of geojson - osm; with the appropriate tagging and shoot in a
 pull request or two - I'll let others shepard it through the import process
 and de-duplication.




 On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Andrew Harvey 
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 'andrew.harv...@gmail.com');
  wrote:

 On 6 October 2013 18:25, Paul Norman penor...@mac.comjavascript:_e({}, 
 'cvml', 'penor...@mac.com');
 wrote:
  There are numerous tools for converting from shapefiles to .osm. Both
  shp-to-osm and ogr2osm work and you can find more info on the wiki.

 ogr2ogr v1.10 can also do it I believe.

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Re: [talk-au] South Australia Suburb Boundries

[Daniel O'Connor]

I did look through a few of the existing tools; but most fell into the too
hard basket. In the end, manually doing it via QGIS and exporting into the
right projection was fairly easy.

I've pushed to github what I've done; which is produce geojson  kml
serializations of it - I had assumed geojson.io would let me export easily
to OSM, but unfortunately that's not the case.

Example:
https://github.com/CloCkWeRX/data.sa.gov.au-suburb-boundaries/blob/master/suburbs/suburbs_0.geojson

Repo:
https://github.com/CloCkWeRX/data.sa.gov.au-suburb-boundaries/

Anyway, I'm more or less going to stop there, unless someone wants to do a
quick bit of geojson - osm; with the appropriate tagging and shoot in a
pull request or two - I'll let others shepard it through the import process
and de-duplication.




On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 6 October 2013 18:25, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
  There are numerous tools for converting from shapefiles to .osm. Both
  shp-to-osm and ogr2osm work and you can find more info on the wiki.

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[talk-au] New data sets - City of Gold Coast

[Daniel O'Connor]

Hey folks,
Just spotted a few updated/new data sets for
http://data.gov.au/organization/city-of-gold-coast

Included are:
Fitness Stations
The layer refers to a symbol indicating the location of Fitness Stations on
public land adjacent to waterways in the Gold Coast area.

Fences on Public Land
The layer refers to lines and symbols indicating the location of various
types of Fences (Bollards, Perimeter Fences, Barrier Fences, etc.) on
public land in the Gold Coast area.

Drinking Fountain
The layer refers to a symbol indicating the location of Drink Fountains on
public land in the Gold Coast area.

Cleaning Sinks
The layer refers to a symbol indicating the location of Cleaning Sinks (for
cleaning fish) on public land in the Gold Coast area.

Buildings
The layer refers to a polygon indicating the location of various types of
Buildings (Amenities Blocks, Kiosks, Sheds, etc.) on public land in the
Gold Coast area.

Boat Ramps
The layer refers to a polygon indicating the location of Boat Ramps on
public land in the Gold Coast area.

Bike Racks
The layer refers to a symbol indicating the location of Bike Racks on
public land in the Gold Coast area.

Public Barbeques
The layer refers to a symbol indicating the location of Barbeques on public
land in the Gold Coast area.


Most seems to be shapefiles, and given
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission
there
should be one less barrier to importing/making use of the data sets.
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Re: [talk-au] Vicmap licensing

[Daniel O'Connor]

Also: clarify  explicitly that attribution in the wiki is acceptable to
them.
On 17/09/2013 6:43 PM, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would send them the odbl licence and position it as 'is this ok with
 your open government stance? '

 neatly avoids cc by confusion, gives them an attitude to address,  and
 likely ends up with 'let it be free'
 On 17/09/2013 4:53 PM, Li Xia lisxia1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gday everyone,

 I've been talking to DSE about importing vicmap data into OSM under the
 CC license. Got this reply today...

 The Creative Commons licence requires you to Attribute the work/data as
 being Vicmap Data. We would like to sit down with you at some stage in
 early October and discuss the inclusion of Vicmap into OSM.?

 I'm not a legal buff, but if someone is, would you like to join me for
 this meeting?

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I would send them the odbl licence and position it as 'is this ok with your
open government stance? '

neatly avoids cc by confusion, gives them an attitude to address,  and
likely ends up with 'let it be free'
On 17/09/2013 4:53 PM, Li Xia lisxia1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gday everyone,

 I've been talking to DSE about importing vicmap data into OSM under the CC
 license. Got this reply today...

 The Creative Commons licence requires you to Attribute the work/data as
 being Vicmap Data. We would like to sit down with you at some stage in
 early October and discuss the inclusion of Vicmap into OSM.?

 I'm not a legal buff, but if someone is, would you like to join me for
 this meeting?

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Re: [talk-au] South Australia Suburb Boundries

[Daniel O'Connor]

 @ Daniel, I can not upload this shape file because I do not have the
permissions to do so (and I don't even know how), there are strict
guidelines witch need to be completed
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines it's more of a formal
process. I don't know what to do from here. I was talk to some experts on
the #osm IRC channel and it is way over my head.

So, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Shapefile#JOSM is the hol for
look at shapefile, get 1-2 polygon from it and upload it

If you do *one boundry* at a time, manually, and check, there's less of a
concern re automated imports.
If you do hundreds, yeah, that'll incur frowning.





On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 1 September 2013 09:34, Tony theoneintrain...@gmail.com wrote:
  does anyone have any issue with using this suburb boundary shape file
 for SA
  http://data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries
  ...
  Once I learn how to upload a shape file I will do it

 An import of this magnitude will obviously be considerably more
 complicated that just the conversion/uploading.

 You'll see some of the issues mentioned on the wiki
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import, and also discussed on the
 imports mailing list.
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/

 Perhaps you could start with a bit of a plan as to how you're going to
 handle overlaps and existing suburbs, coastline and river boundaries,
 etc.

 Then we can review the plan, and may be able to help with suggestions
 and some aspects of the conversion.

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Re: [talk-au] South Australia Suburb Boundries

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Re licensing, you are good to go -
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/sa.data.gov.au_explicit_permission
The activity log (http://data.sa.gov.au/dataset/activity/suburb-boundaries)
suggests it has been updated a few times, where the ABS data is likely
fixed at a point in time.

Can't hurt to ask the publisher/maintainer - Bill Watt, who I've just CC'd
here - about the differences between this and ABS data.



On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Tony theoneintrain...@gmail.com wrote:

 does anyone have any issue with using this suburb boundary shape file for
 SA http://data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries

 a couple of notes;

 1. this is not the same data as the ABS (see the .mht in the zip)

 2. the shape file is released under CC license

 Once I learn how to upload a shape file I will do it

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Re: [talk-au] Incorporating public information into OSM - Legal situation

[Daniel O'Connor]

CC-BY-A is fine to my knowledge - you can fulfill the attribution
requirements with an appropriate attribution in the wiki.
See:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australian_government_public_information_datasets
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Make_sure_data_license_is_OK

I'd go back and go one further and ensure we have explicit permission (ie:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.gov.au_explicit_permission),
which seems likely to be granted, and then knock yourself out :)


On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.auwrote:

 Hi

 I have been working on OSM maps for bushwalking and this has generated a
 fair bit of interest.  A few people have taken up mapping and one person
 approached me on lifting rivers and streams data from the 1:250,000
 publicly available data.  My response was no as it is likely copyrighted
 and OSM requires no restriction be placed on the data.  Not to be defeated
 he wrote to A/g Manager, Information  Product Management Policy Unit
 Information Management Corporate Services | GEOSCIENCE AUSTRALIA and
 received this reply.

 Thank you for your email enquiry in regards to copyright and Creative
 Commons. The material available as a free download under a Creative Commons
 Attribution 3.0 Australia licence is still under copyright. We are
 releasing many of our products under the CC-BY licence which means that you
 may share (copy, distribute and transmit the work), remix and make adaption
 or even make commercial use of the work. The only condition for using the
 product under this licence is that you must attribute Geoscience Australia.
 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/au/deed.en

 If you have any further questions or would like me to send you the
 attribution statement we require please let me know.

 Regards

 Given that this data (rough as it might be) might be available what is the
 OSM community thoughts on an Australia wide approach?  Basically has anyone
 been down this road.  I would imagine the challenge would be to identify
 what data is available under what license.

 Anyway your thoughts please.

 Cheers

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[talk-au] Two quick projects around SA (MapCraft)

[Daniel O'Connor]

Hey folks,
Thought I might share the two efforts below that I'm working on in the
Adelaide area:
http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/279
http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/278

I see a fair bit of discussion around different tagging approaches
happen on this list, and I'm curious how much folks are overlapping
with their edits.

Would folks on the AU list like a tool like MapCraft, if there is a
bit of collaboration happening?
If so, give it a shot, and I'd be interested in any ways to make it a
bit more user friendly you can think of -
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapCraft is recommended reading).

Its not my project, but I can hack away at features...

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[talk-au] data.sa.gov.au

[Daniel O'Connor]

The SA govt has joined many of the other state/local governments in
publishing open data.

The current implementation is powered by CKAN, and though I haven't seen it
yet, appears to be leveraging openstreetmap / cloudmade in some fashion.

Anyway, the majority of the data sets are CC-A licensed, and in either CSV
or Shapefile format:

Some initial things that might be worth importing/using as a
reference/looking into:
http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/major-and-minor-roads
http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/library-locations
http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/parks-and-reserves
http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/sa-playgrounds
http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/stormwater-nodes
http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/surface-water-catchments
http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/suburb-boundaries
and of course:
http://www.data.sa.gov.au/dataset/centrelink-office-locations

Not sure how much overlap with data.gov.au data sets (assume some).

Anyone want to have a look around and
1) Call out the things you think are missing
2) Call out the things you'd want to have imported or manually transcribed
into open street map
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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 6:59 PM, kristy van putten 
kristy.vanput...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Aussie OSM people!

 I would like to introduce myself, my name is Kristy Van Putten and I am
 currently living and working for the Australian Government in Indonesia as
 a the Spatial Analyst.  Over the last 2 years I have been managing the
 implementation of OSM across Indonesia in partnership with
 the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team. We have had amazing success, with
 ~1,000,000 buildings mapped in 2 years and well over 500 people trained.
 This initiative is based on finding out where people live in order to
 understand the impact of disasters. We also have the national mapping
 agency looking into ways to use the OSM data as part of their One Map
 Policy.


To drag us back on topic, particularly with regard to *understanding the
impact of disasters *I did a bit of work last weekend to mash together
various country fire authorities with open street map data.

Writeup @
http://clockwerx.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/consuming-georss-and-querying.html

Code @ https://github.com/CloCkWeRX/burning-down

I don't have it running on a server at the moment, but I thought it was a
good, simple example of how systems can leverage open data - getting a *
rough* idea of
1) For a fire, what's near by?
Forest, aka a bunch of fuel?
Houses?
Water? (Dams on property?)

Can I get a route from My Location to nearest Water Source? (I didn't build
this bit yet)

Sure a lot of this is possible with satellite imagery or a geospatial team
directly supporting firefighters given enough preparation; but why not
stick this on a smartphone like device - small, dimly intelligent
applications that sanity check a tired firefighter's judgement call?

2) Given an incremental feed of fires, construct a database. This sort of
thing seems useful for insurance companies (has the asset my customer is
talking about caught on fire? Should I get someone to check that?) and
other companies that want to know about the condition of buildings.

I'm sure there have to be other uses of disaster related information
meeting open map data, beyond those commercial applications.


My question to you:
What disaster data would you find most useful?
How would you use it?
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Re: [talk-au] Bicentennial National Trail

[Daniel O'Connor]

Am happy to help re technical convos - can talk about postgis/mapnik to
render, or other things like slippy map solutions
On Apr 30, 2013 5:35 PM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:

 On 30/04/13 14:29, Nick Hocking wrote:

  The other day I was riding the push bike along some trails and got
 talking to some horse riders.

 It turns out the Lady (Jenny) is the ACT coordinator for (and also
 the secretary of) the Bicentennial National Trail Ltd. Naturally I
 dropped the term Openstreetmap and it appears that they are very
 interested to hear about OSM and their mapping guy would like to talk
 to us about what they could do with OSM.

 Apparently they are doing quite a bit of remapping in Queensland, due
 to the floods, so I see BNT and OSM being very usefull to each other.
 I told Jenny that one of our Canberra mappers (John) had done quite a
 bit of work on the BNT in the ACT and they would love to talk to you
 about it, if you'd be agreeable to that.


 I'd be delighted to offer what help I can.  I haven't done any active
 mapping for a while, and the OSM BNT route needs to be remapped from the
 Barton Hwy east to the NSW border.  This is because the BNT has been
 rerouted through the new suburbs.

 I've created a relation for the BNT:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/**browse/relation/176684http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/176684

 I've also configured the route to show up on:
 http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.**org/en/?zoom=9lat=-34.76218**
 lon=149.35801route=1http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=9lat=-34.76218lon=149.35801route=1

 There it's marked using a symbol to represent the official trail marker
 (a yellow triangle with two vertical ochre stripes) as
 osmc:symbol=green::yellow_**triangle:||:red

  They also need to have topographical maps for their trail guides but
 I'm not sure whether OSM has that yet for Australia. It turns out
 that the trail I was riding on is part of the BNT but is not yet
 mapped as such in OSM, so I'll have to start surveying the southern
 part of the ACT's bit of the BNT when time permits. Therefore, my
 question is,  who is the best OSM person to advise BNT of the various
 technical details of using OSM map data.


 That's a good question.

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Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap in Government

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Hi,
I work in the property valuation industry, and have a strong interest in
mapping buildings, leisure areas like swimming pols or tennis courts and
more...

How did you sell the idea of mapping buildings in your recent project? I
have done what I can, but it is a hard slog to map my own city (adelaide),
let alone most metro areas - australians dont seem as interested.

I am looking at mashing up osm data with psma data sets to answer real
world questions, but it seems like I am out on my own here.

Are there others in gov using the geo commons?
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wrote:

 Hi Aussie OSM people!

 I would like to introduce myself, my name is Kristy Van Putten and I am
 currently living and working for the Australian Government in Indonesia as
 a the Spatial Analyst.  Over the last 2 years I have been managing the
 implementation of OSM across Indonesia in partnership with
 the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team. We have had amazing success, with
 ~1,000,000 buildings mapped in 2 years and well over 500 people trained.
 This initiative is based on finding out where people live in order to
 understand the impact of disasters. We also have the national mapping
 agency looking into ways to use the OSM data as part of their One Map
 Policy.

 I will be heading back to Geoscience Australia at the end of the year and
 there is some interest in trying to implement similar things in Australia.
  I have been asked to start thinking about putting a concept together,
 before I start formulating this concept I would be keen to draw on the
 Australian OSM community knowledge, and see what has already been tried, or
 thought of and how we can use this to shape a general concept for
 discussion.

 On a personal note I would be interested in hearing more about the OSM
 Australia activities, and people current goals with OSM.
 I have read about the Bicentennial National Trail team, has anyone thought
 of 4WD trails in OSM?  I would also be keen to find out if there are any
 Ozzy teaching OSM to schools or scout groups etc?

 Looking forward to talking to you all
 Cheers


 --

 *Kristy Van Putten*

 Spatial Analyst, Data Manager

 Australia-Indonesia Facility Disaster Reduction**

 Mb: +62 811 987 573


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Re: [talk-au] Optimising map rendering for recreational use

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 What do you guys think?


It's non trivial to do it this way, but:

   - Define a relationship between zoom level and number of ways/nodes
   within the bounding box
   - Sort the ways in a weighted fashion - roads first, land boundaries
   second, etc
   - Zoom level max, with 10 nodes to render: well, that should likely
   render everything
   - Zoom level max - 1 with 1 billion nodes to render - roads only

To actually set up the balance between zoom and what to render would be
hard, but I think that's a better approach than render hints.
Alternatively, after implementing it, you could add a 'render
weighting/interest' attribute to a lot of ways, which would be *like* a
render hint but also suitable for other purposes - ie: routing or search.
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Re: [talk-au] Adelaide Metro using OpenStreetmap/OpenTripPlanner instead of Google Transit

[Daniel O'Connor]

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com wrote:

 Adelaide Metro, the umbrella brand for public transport in Adelaide on
 their new (beta) website at

 http://www.adelaidemetro.com.**au/ http://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/

 are using OpenTripPlanner and OpenStreetmap for journey planning. Nice to
 see OpenStreetmap getting more, albeit unacknowledged exposure.


Are they pushing data into OSM? Or do we know if the installation has data
services available? (Good to see the bus stops are URIs!)

I remember approaching them several years ago, asking about data extracts
of timetables/stop locations/etc to do mashups - I met with them, but I
felt it went poorly at the time.

It's interesting to see this as basically an about face!
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Re: [talk-au] Adelaide Metro using OpenStreetmap/OpenTripPlanner instead of Google Transit

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All of the timetable data and stop data has been available for a year or so
 as GTFS format, although hidden on their old site under site map. There
 is a copy also on GitHub.

 Neat, wish I'd seen that sooner!

Getting back on topic


So I guess...
What's the best kind of contribution that would make their use of OSM more
relevant to the public?

I put in a suggestion around looking at different renders - something more
like the transport map would be useful (as it focused on bus stops and
roads only), but I really don't know enough about the tools to judge how
hard that is.

House/street numbering, place names come to mind, but what else would
people recommend?
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