OT: Cleartype (was: Weird LCD monitor bug)
Hello MAU, Thursday, October 28, 2004, 10:54:55 PM, you wrote: What is ClearType, something specific to XP? It is the software based anti-aliasing for on-screen fonts. The results depend on the screen type (its said to be best on LCD monitors). Well, personally, I can't get used to it. A lot of contrast is lost, especially on dense characters like m, maybe you get the idea. You can only optimize it for a certain set/type of fonts (its funny: people buy LCD's to get a sharper and more steady picture, and then MS supposes to apply ClearType so that the characters look all washy like on a 6 year old CRT again *ggg*). I use different fonts in various places and when one font (like the system font Tahoma) looks really good with ClearType, another (like the fixedwidth font in TB) looks horrible. The worst thing about ClearType is that you can *only* adjust your cleartype settings by visiting a M$ website with IE + an ActiveX control (someone please correct me, I'd be more than happy). -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Cleartype (was: Weird LCD monitor bug)
Hello Alexander, on 29.10.2004 at 09:18 you wrote: The worst thing about ClearType is that you can *only* adjust your cleartype settings by visiting a M$ website with IE + an ActiveX control (someone please correct me, I'd be more than happy). As far as I know, e.g. TuneUp Utilities (2004) can do this as well. ...or did I miss you?! -- Best regards, Manuel The Bat! 3.0.2.1, Windows XP Prof. 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Cleartype (was: Weird LCD monitor bug)
Hello Manuel, Friday, October 29, 2004, 9:22:27 AM, you wrote: The worst thing about ClearType is that you can *only* adjust your cleartype settings by visiting a M$ website with IE + an ActiveX control (someone please correct me, I'd be more than happy). As far as I know, e.g. TuneUp Utilities (2004) can do this as well. ...or did I miss you?! Haven't heard about this utility yet. I was talking about the MS website at http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleartype/tuner/1.htm If there's an off-line version of that site, let me know. :) -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Cleartype (was: Weird LCD monitor bug)
Hello Alexander, Friday, October 29, 2004, 09:17:11, you wrote: The worst thing about ClearType is that you can *only* adjust your cleartype settings by visiting a M$ website with IE + an ActiveX control (someone please correct me, I'd be more than happy). In my days without internet connection I made a tiny ClearType adjuster for offline use (20k). It still needs IE and ActiveX, but only for the local zone. You can find it here: http://www.maven.de/code/cleartype.zip -- Best regards, Daniel. http://www.maven.de [Break up a relationship - buy a computer!!] Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 1:23:18 AM, Michael L. Wilson threw back his cloak, climbed the podium, loudly cleared his throat and spoke: I love the bat! I love 3.0.2.2. It is fast, stable and wonderful. I have tested it on three machines, all different brands, with no problems. Wonderful release. What are you trying to say? That the problems are non-existent, even if SOME users report them? That is completely counter-productive. The goal of beta-testing is not voting who likes the newest version more, but determining the factors that cause bugs to exhibit themselves. Perhaps you could describe your system and your mail setup, so that those of us who had problems with 3.0.22 could compare it to theirs, and perhaps find the goddamn bug, instead of engaging in a pointless I love it I hate it kindergarten war? -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 Co dzieciaki w zeszytach wypisuj: Jurand do dugo yje, a potem zakacza swj ywot. Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M and perhaps find the goddamn bug, instead of engaging in a pointless M I love it I hate it kindergarten war? Breathe in. Breathe out. Now, think calm thoughts and breathe in ... - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Aided by BayesIt! 0.7.3, MyGate and rss2mail. PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 Comment: Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com; iQA/AwUBQYILEdttnLhkydF1EQKpugCaA4liFs4U6I0oHQhZu2jTz0c6/HUAoOtN EU+dav2SUA13MrQGqdnrfBIF =2abx -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello Stuart, M and perhaps find the goddamn bug, instead of engaging in a pointless M I love it I hate it kindergarten war? SH Breathe in. Breathe out. Now, think calm thoughts and breathe in ... Pranayama? :) -- 9Val Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: TB! hangs when deleting task in CC
Hello Martin, MW TB! loads fine but stalls on when synchronising a folder. When this MW happens I usually hit Del to delete the task and TB! continues to MW process other folders. With the latest beta TB! simply hangs. This MW happens every time... so I'm reverting to 3.0.1.33. Do you mean killing IMAP request or IMAP mail task? -- 9Val Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.2 is now available
Hello Marek, MM [+] Confirmation dialog for opening/replying more than 10 messages MM :-) Hmm, it wasn't in .01? -- 9Val Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
NFS wish: Action delete folder/Account
Hello TBBetaListers, With the NFS we can create a folder if it didn't exist, but we can't delete it ;( I've an Arch account here, with now nearly 195000 messages, that I use to archive some accounts every month with manual filters, When I delete this account without removing it from disk, TB open really more faster than when I restore it, but, once a month, I need to recreate it, run every 'Arch_filters', compress every folders and delete it again... Any trick, idea ? -- Regards, Alain :aggy: The Bat! 3.0.2.2 Rush Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: access violation when moving filter
Hello Alexander, I hold down alt while dragging a folder from incoming folder to read folder. Anyone else repro this? ASK Confirmed (I tried to move a common filter), and the sorting office only ASK works normal again after restarting TheBat. Can't reproduce, is it 100% reproduceable for you? -- 9Val Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hallo MaXxX, On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:42:10 +0200GMT (29-10-2004, 10:42 +0200, where I live), you wrote: M What are you trying to say? That the problems are non-existent, even M if SOME users report them? Don't know why Micheal wrote what he did, but the reason that I confirmed it was that I never saw a TB version as fast and smooth running as this one. The reason for beta testing is not to find bugs, but to test whether there are any. And in my daily use I don't find any. I confirmed the ClearType bug, but as I don't care very much for the ClearType view, I'm not very worried over it. So saying I like it is more a confirmation that I don't find any major bugs than the denial of the bugs others encounter. The knowledge that there are system this version is running properly is just as important as the knowledge that there are systems where bugs are encountered. -- Groetjes, Roelof If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you! The Bat! 3.0.2.2 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgp7Yed7EtyYG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello MaXxX, A reminder of what MaXxX typed on: 29 October 2004 at 11:13:59 GMT +0200 M instead of engaging in a pointless M I love it I hate it kindergarten war? So only the people it *doesn't* work for are allowed to report their findings? M That is completely counter-productive. Counter productive would be duping the developers into thinking it doesn't work at all, for anyone. See my previous. And just for the record, yes, I do love it, for me personally it's by far the fastest, most stable and best version yet and as a beta tester I feel I have an obligation to report that fact. -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 10:39 UTC 24 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello Nick On Thursday, October 28, 2004, at 8:02:50 PM, Tony wrote: Can't say I agree with anything you wrote, this is about the best, fastest and so far, most efficient and capable version I've used for years. Perhaps, but there are an awful lot of users such as myself who are unable to even close The Bat, so I would have to say that for us it's not the best. I've just tried the 3.0.2.2 and experienced the failure to close. That was on XP SP1 and XP SP2, on Pentium and Athalon, with and without the Achim's Bayes Filter. All combinations failed in the same way. My conclusion - roll on the next beta please, this one is broken -- regards, Graham Using The Bat! 3.0.2.1 assisted by under Windows XP 5.1 (Build 2600, Service Pack 1) -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. -- Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
My experiences with v3.0.2.2
At first, I decided to skip v3.0.2.2 due to the numerous reports about TB! not shutting down properly. The reports stating this version was blazingly fast made me curious though and I decided to give it a try. Now, one hour later, I am back to the stable release and ready to report my experience. When first launching v3.0.2.2, I noticed it launched considerable slower then any previous version I have been running. It seemed to be the population of my virtual folders which slowed things down, but I am not sure (all VFs I tested with is set to auto refresh and store state between sessions). I immediately tried to shut TB! down but could not. Killed it with the task manager and re-launched. Still slow, still not able to shut down properly. I repeated this four times in a row, before deciding to go back to the release version. Now my real problems started. I deleted the .exe and repaired the .msi installation to get the release version back. I started TB! and noticed it *still* started as slow as when I ran v3.0.2.2. I shut TB! down, deleted the file msgs.dump from all my VFs and re-launched, thus letting TB! repopulate my VFs and creating new msgs.dump files. At first, it started just as quick as it used to, but subsequent starts were mostly just as slow as with v3.0.2.2. I say mostly cause sometimes it started quickly. I did not find a pattern, but would say it started quickly two times out of ten. I restarted my computer and tried again with the same result. A few quick starts, but most of them was slow. I then deleted my TB! folder and all registry entries and restored from a backup made just before first installing v3.0.2.2 and now - finally, one hour later - my TB! is back and running as it was before. I will not install the v3.0.2.2 on this machine again, but can give it a try on a beta box later on if there is anything the developers would like me to test. Just let me know. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Graham I've just tried the 3.0.2.2 and experienced the failure to close. I've run through the open/close cycle a few times now and have experienced the failure to close problem only once so far, so what ever it is it's transient, to a point at least. - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Aided by BayesIt! 0.7.3, MyGate and rss2mail. PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com Every calendar's days are numbered. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 Comment: Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com; iQA/AwUBQYIXA9ttnLhkydF1EQJvCwCgl5WXZi8jImph5AX5K+63cChjAv8Anj7D 9WkuQ0fzfYM1dI+SfqBx4oAt =Z+TM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Life with Betas (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)
Hello MaXxX, On Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 4:24:31 PM MaXxX [M] wrote: [...] M but the MSI installer installs where it does usually, without the M option to install as a separate setup. *hmmm* I actually wasn't able to find a MSI-installer for 3.0.2.2 ... Where did you get it from? -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) If you are sitting, just sit. If you are walking, just walk. Above all, don't wobble. Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello Michael, A reminder of what Michael L. Wilson typed on: 29 October 2004 at 01:23:36 GMT +0200 MLW I love the bat! I love 3.0.2.2. It is fast, stable and wonderful. I MLW have tested it on three machines, all different brands, with no MLW problems. Wonderful release. Glad someone agrees with me, even I was beginning to think I was making it all up :) -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 10:06 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Hello Marcus, A reminder of what Marcus Ohlström typed on: 29 October 2004 at 12:23:06 GMT +0200 MO I am back to the stable release and ready to report MO my experience. Me too and I think I sussed it. After reading Marcus's post I decided to set up a Virtual Folder, something I don't normally use. I set it up to just monitor a colour group, posts from me to this list get assigned a colour... The Bat would NOT shut down and I had to use the 3 knuckle shuffle to close it. I deleted the VF and TB was as fast, clean and stable as ever again. So in order to prove or disprove this theory: A. Is there anyone who IS having trouble closing TB who is NOT using VF's? B. Anyone who is having NO trouble who IS using VF's? -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 11:40 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
On Friday, October 29, 2004, 12:57, Tony Boom wrote: So in order to prove or disprove this theory: A. Is there anyone who IS having trouble closing TB who is NOT using VF's? B. Anyone who is having NO trouble who IS using VF's? And what about those of you sometimes but not always having trouble closing TB!, are you using VFs or not? -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Dear Marcus, @29-Oct-2004, 13:04 +0200 (29-Oct 12:04 UK time) Marcus Ohlström [MO] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: So in order to prove or disprove this theory: A. Is there anyone who IS having trouble closing TB who is NOT using VF's? B. Anyone who is having NO trouble who IS using VF's? MO And what about those of you sometimes but not always having trouble MO closing TB!, are you using VFs or not? I always have trouble closing TB and I *do* use VFs. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpluRwfirzgX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Hi Marcus Ohlström and Marck D Pearlstone, Friday, October 29, 2004 you let us know -at least in parts- : @29-Oct-2004, 13:04 +0200 (29-Oct 12:04 UK time) Marcus Ohlström [MO] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: So in order to prove or disprove this theory: A. Is there anyone who IS having trouble closing TB who is NOT using VF's? B. Anyone who is having NO trouble who IS using VF's? I used VF's and had in 8 from 10 times problems with the shutdown of TB, reverted to RC7 and all was well. Then I deleted my VF's and upgraded again to the rush and in 5 from 5 attempts there were no more problems, Tb closed as it should. (BTW: No speed problems in acting, no change noticeable so far.) So maybe the theory is right! -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :star: Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Hello Tony, TB B. Anyone who is having NO trouble who IS using VF's? I use VFs and have no troubles on exiting -- 9Val Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello Nick, A reminder of what Nick Andriash typed on: 29 October 2004 at 05:04:21 GMT +0200 NA Perhaps, but there are an awful lot of users such as myself who are unable NA to even close The Bat, so I would have to say that for us it's not the best. I fully understand and sympathize with you Nick and everyone else who is having problems. However those that find it flawless should also make this fact known otherwise Ritlabs would assume it works for no one. Perhaps if everyone experienced the same problems it would make it easier to fix. Not reporting the fact it works perfectly for some would, I believe, be just as bad as if no one reported it didn't work. Please don't think I'm reveling in my good fortune and the fact it works for me, I have tried to recreate the problem, to try and pinpoint it by transferring from one PC to another and back again but I just can't. I get the same impeccable performance on both my Toshiba Laptop and my home built cobbled together P4 Desktop. -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 10:13 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Dear 9val, @29-Oct-2004, 14:38 +0300 (29-Oct 12:38 UK time) 9Val [9] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Tony: TB B. Anyone who is having NO trouble who IS using VF's? 9 I use VFs and have no troubles on exiting Quantification!!! I deleted my VFs. Exited. Hung. Terminated the task. Loaded TB. Exited. No hang. Repeated. All fine. Added back a VF. This time, I unticked the Store state checkbox. I can now load and exit freely. I will try re-enabling this state and see how I get on. Currently I have no hang on exit and have VFs. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpC8LC23b0te.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
On Friday, October 29, 2004, 13:38, 9Val wrote: TB B. Anyone who is having NO trouble who IS using VF's? I use VFs and have no troubles on exiting I noticed Marck suggested the bug is related to Store state between sessions. Can you confirm Marck's theory? Are there any more options than this you would like us to test 9val? I do not have time to try it myself at the moment, but will tomorrow if the issue has not been pinpointed by then. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
@29-Oct-2004, 12:43 Marck D Pearlstone [MDP] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to 9Val: TB B. Anyone who is having NO trouble who IS using VF's? 9 I use VFs and have no troubles on exiting MDP Quantification!!! MDP I deleted my VFs. Exited. Hung. MDP Terminated the task. MDP Loaded TB. Exited. No hang. Repeated. All fine. MDP Added back a VF. This time, I unticked the Store state checkbox. I MDP can now load and exit freely. I will try re-enabling this state and MDP see how I get on. MDP Currently I have no hang on exit and have VFs. Strike that. The hanging returned. I have to remove VFs to not hang on exit. To clarify, my VFs filter source folders looking for messages of a specific colour group and impose a specific view mode. Other than that, I can't say what the difference might be. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpG1gVYnU6K6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Hello 9Val, A reminder of what 9Val typed on: 29 October 2004 at 13:38:44 GMT +0200 9 I use VFs and have no troubles on exiting Well that blows that theory out the water then! -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 12:51 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Hello Marcus, So in order to prove or disprove this theory: A. Is there anyone who IS having trouble closing TB who is NOT using VF's? B. Anyone who is having NO trouble who IS using VF's? And what about those of you sometimes but not always having trouble closing TB!, are you using VFs or not? I use VFs quite sparingly and have not had any problems closing TB. I had a freeze when starting TB yesterday morning but, as it has not repeated yet, I didn't even report it. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Hello Marcus, A reminder of what Marcus Ohlström typed on: 29 October 2004 at 13:51:25 GMT +0200 MO I noticed Marck suggested the bug is related to Store state between MO sessions. Can you confirm Marck's theory? I can't no. Mine hangs if I use a VF whatever state the check boxes. If I don't use VF's at all, it runs as sweet as a sugar lump dipped in honey. -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 13:13 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
OT: ClearType messed up my fonts on W2K
Sorry for going OT, but since ClearType has been discussed here, there might be people knowing how I should cure my computer. Besides, this might be seen as a warning to other users not running XP to don't experiment with ClearType. I had not heard about ClearType until it was discussed here and decided to check it out. I realised it's an XP thing, but pointed my browser to http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleartype/tuner/1.htm anyway and ticked the box. This made my desktop flash quickly, as if some setting was changed and the desktop refreshed. I then clicked Next and was presented with a dialog stating: Please turn ClearType on before tuning your ClearType settings. The ClearType tuning pages can only be used with Windows XP. I gave it up and forgot about it, until I realised something has happened with a few of my fonts. For example, take a look at http://lexikon.nada.kth.se/lexin.shtml. In the middle of the screen, there are eight links which should be sharp but are not. The attached image is a screenshot from my computer. On another computer next to me, like mine a W2KSP4 box with all the latest patches and the same brand of LCD monitor, the links look sharp. The only difference is I have tried to enable ClearType while my colleague has not (we do not have the same brand of graphics card either, but the fonts did look sharp on my computer as well before messing with ClearType, so that is probably irrelevant). Since I am running a W2K box, I am not allowed to enable it, and since I cannot enable it I cannot disable it. Still, some of my fonts are messed up. What to do? -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc attachment: cleartype.PNG Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Dear Tony, @29-Oct-2004, 13:16 Tony Boom [TB] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marcus: MO I noticed Marck suggested the bug is related to Store state MO between sessions. Can you confirm Marck's theory? TB I can't no. Mine hangs if I use a VF whatever state the check TB boxes. If I don't use VF's at all, it runs as sweet as a sugar TB lump dipped in honey. This I can now confirm. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgp3O6LXcS0hr.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
VFs and closing troubles [was Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2]
Hello Marcus! On Friday, October 29, 2004, 6:04 AM, you wrote: Tony B. So in order to prove or disprove this theory: Tony B. A. Is there anyone who IS having trouble closing TB who is Tony B. NOT using VF's? I had 5 experiences of a freeze on Exit immediately after installing v. 3.0.2.2. They were identical to the freezes I had sometimes experienced while using v. 3.0.2.1. I was deliberately testing, in different situations, in v. 3.0.2.2. I was always able to Close TB! quickly with the Task Manager when this happened. I do not use Virtual Folders. Since the evening of October 27 I have repeatedly closed and re-launched The Bat! with absolutely no problem. I think my early difficulties were probably because of glitches with my ISP-CC relationship. So I don't really figure into this mix of people having troubles any more. Tony B. B. Anyone who is having NO trouble who IS using VF's? MO And what about those of you sometimes but not always having MO trouble closing TB!, are you using VFs or not? I am not using VFs. This is the best version of The Bat! I have ever used. There are a couple of very minor problems for me, still, with it: 1) My--apparently local to me--failure to copy Smileys from RTV to the MicroEd window. 2) My desire for a Cancel button in the Sorting Office. I stand by my earlier Confirm in the 3.0.2.2 is awesome thread. :) But, with Roelof and Tony, that's not to say that the major bugs others are experiencing don't exist or shouldn't be addressed. Of course, all of us want those fixed, developers included. And after that, the Feature Requests could get noticed, too. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: ClearType messed up my fonts on W2K
Hello Marcus Ohlström everyone else 29-Okt-2004 14:17, you wrote: What to do? Disable the simple font smoothing. Right-click on the desktop and select the properties, it may be in Appearance | Advanced or something, I can't tell you exactly where the setting is in W2K, but its there and apparently the website enabled it. :-) AFAIK all Windows versions before XP already had that function for bold/large fonts... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Gumperson's Law: The probability of anything happening is in inverse ratio to its desirability. Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3022 is awfull
Hello MAU, Thursday, October 28, 2004, 6:16:49 PM, you wrote: M Hello Allie, Set the test client to leave messages on the server. M No, because if I do I will _not_ be using my normal working environment M as I never leave messages on server. M Anyway, don't worry about me. There have been times in the past, and may M be in the future, that I do not engage in beta testing. But when I do, M _I_ decide to do so and _I_ decide to take the risk. Also, if normally M just do a daily backup, while I am beta testing I may easily set my M Second Copy 2000 to backup TB several times a day. The trick (for me at least) has been to start off conservatively and then as things look as though they are working well, begin to move more of the normal activity over to the beta until it is the main instance (assuming it works well enough for that wink). So on an initial install I will leave copies on the server so that if things crash badly I can still recover my email. When things have worked well for a while I will start adding plugins, filters, macros (actually I don't have many of those) and such and finally ... iff all of the above work well, I will stop using the old install and start clearing the server from the beta. It is more work, I have not lost any data doing things this way. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: ClearType messed up my fonts on W2K
On Friday, October 29, 2004, 14:17, Marcus Ohlström wrote: Since I am running a W2K box, I am not allowed to enable it, and since I cannot enable it I cannot disable it. Still, some of my fonts are messed up. What to do? I found it! If it's of interest to others, untick Start | Settings | Control Panel | Display | Effects | Smooth edges of screen fonts. Back to normal, pew. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Hello Marck D Pearlstone everyone else 29-Okt-2004 13:51, you wrote: Strike that. The hanging returned. I have to remove VFs to not hang on exit. I just un-ticked the store state between sessions in 3.0.1.33, then loaded 3.0.2.2 - tried to exit - it worked. But then I tried again - and it hangs again. I did not yet go thru process of complete removal of all my VFs... thats 7 VFs with mighty delicate :) filtering, I have to back up first... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Like a mutation, an idea may be recorded at the wrong time, to lie latent like a reccessive gene and spring once more to life in an auspicious era. -- Loren Eiseley Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Question about Virtual Folders
Hello MAU everyone else 28-Okt-2004 23:25, you wrote: Look at his message headers: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 MailMan could be configured to reject such messages... g,dr -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Lyall's Fundamental Observation: The most important leg of a three legged stool is the one that's missing. Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Hello Tony, A reminder of what Tony Boom typed on: 29 October 2004 at 14:02:00 GMT +0200 TB So try 3022 without the VF's and let us know what occurs. Of course, it would help if my posts were delivered to this list in the sequence I sent them... Now that is an ISP problem :) -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 13:16 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 05:10 AM, Stuart Hemming wrote: Graham I've just tried the 3.0.2.2 and experienced the failure to close. I've run through the open/close cycle a few times now and have experienced the failure to close problem only once so far, so what ever it is it's transient, to a point at least. I've just installed this new beta on my machine here at work. Runs well and exits without problems. This exiting issue is quite an interesting problem. Seems that for those who have the hang, TB! is stuck doing something at shutdown. For one, I don't compress folders on exit. That could be something to look at. Are those having the problem compressing folders on exit? I can't really think of what else one could do upon exiting. The CC could be stuck doing something else. I keep my CC hidden at all times and work only with my IMAP accounts. No POP retrieval, though I have two POP accounts. One legacy and the other a storage account. -- -=[ Allie ]=- ... Overload--core meltdown sequence initiated. __ Running TB! v3.0.2.2 Rush or SquirrelMail WebMail for IMAP IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Flickering Ticker in and around startup
Hi all, Is anyone seeing the mail-ticker flickering soon after startup? Mine is set to always show and there's some transparency applied. The flickering doesn't last for long, but it's there. -- -=[ Allie ]=- ... I'm Not Schizophrenic, And Neither Am I. __ Running TB! v3.0.2.2 Rush or SquirrelMail WebMail for IMAP IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 5:43:40 AM, Marck wrote: Strike that. The hanging returned. I have to remove VFs to not hang on exit. Ditto here as well. I had reverted back to an earlier release, but had a terrible time restoring everything. Finally, after about 30 minutes I was finally able to get everything back to normal. Back to 3.0.2.2 and this time I've deleted those pesky VF's, and voila! I no longer have problems associated with closing TB. -- -=Nick Andriash=- -=Creston, B.C. Canada=- The Bat! Pro v3.0.2.2 Rush on Win XP Pro Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Cleartype (was: Weird LCD monitor bug)
Hello Allie Martin everyone else 29-Okt-2004 13:37, you wrote: Seems like you need a decent monitor I don't think so. NEC 1760NX connected via DVI. Cleartype enhances font appearance. But its just another automatic and more or less dumb routine, thats why it doesn't work for every font... BTW, I bought my LCD monitor since it does give a sharper and flat picture. It's tremendously space efficient and generates much less heat. Dito. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 11:48:17 AM, the world was changed forever by what Tony Boom wrote: M instead of engaging in a pointless M I love it I hate it kindergarten war? So only the people it *doesn't* work for are allowed to report their findings? Reporting bugs is about reporting bugs. If you notice that for you the bug doesn't exhibit itself, it's good, note it where applicable. But loud labelling betas as wonderful, great, superb serves no purpose when there ARE bugs still, apparently. See, a bug either IS there or ISN'T there. A bug that appears even for 1% of the people IS there. Claiming otherwise is concealing it. Counter productive would be duping the developers into thinking it doesn't work at all, for anyone. No. It would make them look for the reasons behind such behaviour, though it might lead them the wrong way. -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 Random IRC quote: MaXxX and not a word about my pee. | MaXxX ... SpeeD, I mean. I gotta clean thi keyboar. | MaXxX --; Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Hello Nick, A reminder of what Nick Andriash typed on: 29 October 2004 at 14:47:06 GMT +0200 NA Back to 3.0.2.2 and this time I've deleted those pesky VF's, and voila! I no NA longer have problems associated with closing TB. And is it not the best version you've used so far? Discounting the fact you can't use VF's of course. -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 13:51 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Flickering Ticker in and around startup
Hello Allie, Friday, October 29, 2004, 8:42:33 AM, you wrote: Is anyone seeing the mail-ticker flickering soon after startup? Mine is set to always show and there's some transparency applied. The flickering doesn't last for long, but it's there. confirmed here -- Best regards, Timmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello MaXxX, A reminder of what MaXxX typed on: 29 October 2004 at 14:51:11 GMT +0200 M See, a bug either IS there or ISN'T there. A bug that appears even for M 1% of the people IS there. Claiming otherwise is concealing it. And if the other 99% didn't report that said bug doesn't affect them then the developers might assume that said bug affects 100% of the people using it instead of just 1%. If you know who is affected and who is not then comparisons can be made to track it down. A few of us have made those comparisons and we think we have it licked. OK, we may be on the wrong track, but it certainly isn't looking that way. Your a beta tester for Christ sake, stop bickering and beta test. -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 13:56 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 06:51 AM, Tony Boom wrote: 9 I use VFs and have no troubles on exiting Well that blows that theory out the water then! I use a single VF at home and can exit TB!. Admittedly, all the VF contains are messages for reply. I have no VF's here on this machine. -- -=[ Allie ]=- ... I am Lancelot of Borg. Resistance is feudal. __ Running TB! v3.0.2.2 Rush or SquirrelMail WebMail for IMAP IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Hello Alexander, A reminder of what Alexander S. Kunz typed on: 29 October 2004 at 14:49:13 GMT +0200 ASK I did not yet go thru process of complete removal of all my VFs... thats 7 ASK VFs with mighty delicate filtering, I have to back up first... Well, good luck. And if only for my benefit, please let us know your results. -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 14:03 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Flickering Ticker in and around startup
Hi Allie Is anyone seeing the mail-ticker flickering soon after startup? Mine is set to always show and there's some transparency applied. The flickering doesn't last for long, but it's there. flickers a bit and whizzes ! Speed setting not working _sometimes_ ... Cheers, Sean -- Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello Allie Martin everyone else 29-Okt-2004 14:40, you wrote: For one, I don't compress folders on exit. That could be something to look at. Are those having the problem compressing folders on exit? I disabled the compress/remove on exit for all folders that used it, it makes no difference (after first try it quitted fine, then it hung again). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 They came to a round hole in the sky... glowing like fire... this, the raven said, was a star. -- Eskimo Creation myth Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Question about Virtual Folders
On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 6:07:50 AM, Alexander wrote: Look at his message headers: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 MailMan could be configured to reject such messages... g,dr And what was wrong with my headers? As I've said before on this forum, I am forced to use Outlook at work, as it is the only Mail Client that I can effectively use and sync my Contacts with my Palm. So, from time to time you will see messages from me written with Outlook. If based on that you want to reject them, go ahead and do that. -- -=Nick Andriash=- -=Creston, B.C. Canada=- The Bat! Pro v3.0.2.2 Rush on Win XP Pro Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Mod: Bad language (was: 3022 is awesome)
Hello Marck, A reminder of what Marck D Pearlstone typed on: 29 October 2004 at 14:58:51 GMT +0200 MDP Please do not swear on this list. I think I may have violated that rule as well. Sorry! -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 14:06 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Flickering Ticker in and around startup
On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 07:59 AM, Tim Casten wrote: Is anyone seeing the mail-ticker flickering soon after startup? Mine is set to always show and there's some transparency applied. The flickering doesn't last for long, but it's there. confirmed here It actually flickers while in the process of sync'ing with a server. -- -=[ Allie ]=- ... Oxymoron: Spending Cuts. __ Running TB! v3.0.2.2 Rush or SquirrelMail WebMail for IMAP IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Flickering Ticker in and around startup
On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 07:59 AM, Tim Casten wrote: Is anyone seeing the mail-ticker flickering soon after startup? Mine is set to always show and there's some transparency applied. The flickering doesn't last for long, but it's there. confirmed here Just now it's scrolling at a speed that's making me unable to read any of the text. It's that fast. Yikes!!! Something is wrong with that ticker! :) -- -=[ Allie ]=- ... Health is the slowest rate at which one can die. __ Running TB! v3.0.2.2 Rush or SquirrelMail WebMail for IMAP IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 07:40 AM, Allie Martin wrote: I can't really think of what else one could do upon exiting. The CC could be stuck doing something else. I keep my CC hidden at all times and work only with my IMAP accounts. No POP retrieval, though I have two POP accounts. One legacy and the other a storage account. I see that I'm sorely late and missed the thread on VF's being the apparent cause of the problem. Ignore these late thoughts. :) -- -=[ Allie ]=- ... A friend: someone who likes you even after they know you. __ Running TB! v3.0.2.2 Rush or SquirrelMail WebMail for IMAP IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:00:43 +0200, MaXxX bared his fanged teeth, mounted his soapbox, cussed us all, and arrogantly proclaimed: loud labelling betas as wonderful, great, superb serves no purpose when there ARE bugs still, apparently. Max, I must respectfully disagree. Due to this thread, I finally steeled my courage and gave 3.0.2.2 a try. And I want to thank the developers for adding the ability to change case on a selected string. That works great. Regrettably, The Bat kept flapping her wings after I had banished her from my desktop. In consequence, I had to kill her with a Ctrl-Alt-Del process. Being a peace-loving man and conscience-stricken by such unaccustomed violence, I have reverted to the more docile 3.0.1.33. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro and The Bat! Pro 3.0.1.33 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 6:11:22 AM, Tony wrote: And is it not the best version you've used so far? Discounting the fact you can't use VF's of course. Actually I have never noticed a drop in speed with any of the Betas, as they have all been relatively fast for me, but then again it was during the latest release version that I started to use VF's and subsequently ran into problems with 'Rush'. Would I consider 'Rush' the be the best? No, of course not...not when there are glaring problems if one uses VF's. -- -=Nick Andriash=- -=Creston, B.C. Canada=- The Bat! Pro v3.0.2.2 Rush on Win XP Pro Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Hello Nick, A reminder of what Nick Andriash typed on: 29 October 2004 at 15:27:24 GMT +0200 NA Would I consider 'Rush' the be the best? No, of course not...not when there NA are glaring problems if one uses VF's. I can't argue with that. If you have something you want it to work fully even if you don't use it to it's full potential. -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 14:31 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Feature Req: Warn user if try to open many messages at once
In sort, by accident I pressed Enter while I have selected quite a few messages in a folder. Of course, hell broke loose but finally I managed to close bat by pressing on close button. I think a warning should be issued in order for such thing to be avoided. I think it should be an option for the bat, to make a warning when more than a configured number of messages are selected to open. It could say for example +-+ | You tried to open X messages. It could take a significant time and may | | slow down your computer. Do you want to Proceed? | | | | [YES] [NO] | | | | [] Don't ask again | +-+ Somewhere in Preferences could be assign the maximum number of messages to be opened without a warning (0) = no warning If you agree, please vote it at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3989 -- George M. Menegakis, System Network Administration Using The BAT! v3.0.2.1 on Microsoft Windows XPService Pack 2 v5.1 Build(2600) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello Avi, A reminder of what Avi Yashar typed on: 29 October 2004 at 15:33:50 GMT +0200 AY Being a peace-loving man and conscience-stricken by such AY unaccustomed violence, I have reverted to the more docile 3.0.1.33. Can you tell us if you was using VF's during your violent ordeal please? -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 14:37 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Hello Tony Boom everyone else 29-Okt-2004 15:04, you wrote: Seems like you're using smilies because... ASK I did not yet go thru process of complete removal of all my VFs... thats 7 ASK VFs with mighty delicate filtering, I have to back up first... ^^^here was one. ...so its actually a confirmation of mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, good luck. And if only for my benefit, please let us know your results. Will do. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers. -- H. L. Mencken Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Feature Req: Warn user if try to open many messages at once
Hello George, A reminder of what George M. Menegakis typed on: 29 October 2004 at 15:38:38 GMT +0200 GMM In sort, by accident I pressed Enter while I have selected quite a few GMM messages in a folder. Of course, hell broke loose I did that once with Photoshop and a folder full of photo's... I ran out an locked myself in my car for half hour :) -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 14:46 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Hello Alexander, A reminder of what Alexander S. Kunz typed on: 29 October 2004 at 15:43:16 GMT +0200 ASK ...so its actually a confirmation of ASK mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I see what you mean. I thought I tried that out for Mary and it worked OK? Not to worry. -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 14:49 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:38:31 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: Can you tell us if you was using VF's during your violent ordeal please? Tony, all that I did - as an initial test - was overwrite the TB executable, launch TB, start to compose a new message (with my default microed), tested the new ability to change case on a string in that new message, discarded the new message, and then tried to exit TB. Having read the horror stories on this subject, I wanted to be sure that I could close TB before using it extensively. And my first experience was as described. This new bat just refused to go away, causing me to resort to an unaccustomed and unseemly use of force. :-) So I guess the answer is No. I never looked at or used any VFs during that brief encounter with a most unfortunate end. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro and The Bat! Pro 3.0.1.33 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Dear Avi, @29-Oct-2004, 15:55 +0200 (29-Oct 14:55 UK time) Avi Yashar [AY] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: AY So I guess the answer is No. I never looked at or used any VFs AY during that brief encounter with a most unfortunate end. The question might be better asked as do you have any virtual folders in your folder tree? (at all - whatever version. The current theory is that the presence of these is causing the lock up on exit). -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpLHuRVpc40k.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [the_bat] Re: 3022 is awesome
Friday, October 29, 2004, 8:38:31 AM, (Internet Time - @610) you wrote: TB Can you tell us if you was using VF's during your violent ordeal please? Tony, I just tired the latest version and I only have one VF (*Junk Mail*). When I used the 3.2.2.2, I locked up. Went back to Ver 3.1.33 and deleted the VF and reran 3.2.2.2. Exited with no problem. Am going to continue to use this, 3.2.2.2, version without any VF and see how it goes. -- Best regards, Michael :texasflag: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Daily Bible Verses at http://freeop.blogspot.com/ Registered Linux User #367776 Drive not ready (R)etry (G)o to Impulse (C)all Geordi Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Question about Virtual Folders
Hello Nick Andriash everyone else 29-Okt-2004 15:10, you wrote: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 MailMan could be configured to reject such messages... g,dr And what was wrong with my headers? They're missing the threading information, and that is not your fault. As I've said before on this forum, I am forced to use Outlook at work, as it is the only Mail Client that I can effectively use and sync my Contacts with my Palm. So, from time to time you will see messages from me written with Outlook. If based on that you want to reject them, go ahead and do that. Nononono you misunderstood, no one would really want to do that... that above statement was meant as a joke (the g,dr above translates to grinning, ducking running). Its just so that you're apparently sending via MS Exchange server, and that strips all references: and in-reply-to: headers, so threading in TheBat is broken and your messages don't appear in the corresponding thread anymore. Thats why I repeatedly nag support the wish to introduce manual re-threading in TB, to add such stray messages to the correct thread manually. :) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 The problems of language here are really serious. We wish to speak in some way about the structure of atoms... but we cannot speak about atoms in ordinary language. -- Werner Heisenberg Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:01:49 +0100, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: The question might be better asked as do you have any virtual folders in your folder tree? (at all - whatever version. The current theory is that the presence of these is causing the lock up on exit). Yes I do: *Recent* and *Flagged*. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro and The Bat! Pro 3.0.1.33 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [the_bat] Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello Michael, A reminder of what Michael Acklin typed on: 29 October 2004 at 16:02:55 GMT +0200 MA Went back to Ver 3.1.33 and deleted the VF and reran 3.2.2.2. MA Exited with no problem. Well it continues to look as if it's VF's that are causing it then. Still leaves the problem of 9val never having used VF's and his still locks up... Possibly totally unrelated? -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 15:08 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Feature Req: Warn user if try to open many messages at once
Hi George M. Menegakis, Friday, October 29, 2004 you let us know -at least in parts- : Please ignore it. It is implemented in 3.0.2.2 I just tried it and TB asked me -as you noticed :-) great idea! -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :star: Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
A small spelling error in the Connection Centre
Hello Everyone! The Connection Centre says retrieiving header when it means retrieving. I've been noticing this for some time, as my ISP is occasionally slow in allowing the CC to have the headers and so I see the screen for awhile after clicking on Check Mail. Just thought it might be a good idea to correct it--look more professional to have dialogues and info correctly spelled. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Life with Betas (was: Re: 3022 is awfull)
On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 12:33:00 PM, Peter Palmreuther spewed forth what is to be beheld below: *hmmm* I actually wasn't able to find a MSI-installer for 3.0.2.2 ... Where did you get it from? I did not. The release versions have MSI installers, but given that Ritlabs' policies make their Releases no better than Betas... you know. :P -- |\ /| \~~~/ \~~~/ | \/ | /\ \~/ ICQ# 3146019 || /__\ /___\ /_\ /___\IQ# 3.14159 Random church bulletin blooper: For those of you who have children and don't know it, we have a nursery downstairs. Flyin' high with The Bat! v3.0.1.33 over the swamps of Windows 2000 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Howdy Marck, Friday, October 29, 2004, 1:18:30 PM, Marck wrotened: TB I can't no. Mine hangs if I use a VF whatever state the check TB boxes. If I don't use VF's at all, it runs as sweet as a sugar TB lump dipped in honey. MDP This I can now confirm. I may have misunderstood this problem, but when I attempted to close tb! it seemed to close properly. I didnt notice any trouble until I tried to reload it. After mounting a search mission I discovered that it was loitering with intent in my process tree. Is that the same experience as others are having or is this different? In case you wondered I have 5 VFs. -- Have Fun, | | |en is |\ohop [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz 598 MHz 1.00GB RAM I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally. Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [the_bat] Re: 3022 is awesome
On Friday, October 29, 2004, 16:10, Tony Boom wrote: Still leaves the problem of 9val never having used VF's and his still locks up... It's the opposite: He uses VFs but still can exit TB! normally. On the other hand, we have Mary who have never used VFs but did experience the hang on close issue. Note that she pointed out this could be unrelated though, for her it might be a connection issue. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Flickering Ticker in and around startup
Howdy Allie, Friday, October 29, 2004, 2:07:27 PM, Allie wrotened: AM On Friday, October 29, 2004, at 07:59 AM, Tim Casten wrote: Is anyone seeing the mail-ticker flickering soon after startup? Mine is set to always show and there's some transparency applied. The flickering doesn't last for long, but it's there. confirmed here AM It actually flickers while in the process of sync'ing with a server. Is this an IMAP issue with the ticker because I haven't noticed any of this behaviour. (To those of you who prefer plain English that meant: Cant Confirm) -- Have Fun, | | |en is |\ohop [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz 598 MHz 1.00GB RAM Bad command or filename. Go stand in the corner. Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Spell Check
Hello tbbeta, Am I missing something or is there no way to not spell check on quoted text. It's bad enough I have to fix all of my misspellings but I really do not like correcting someone elses. If there is no way to inhibit spell checking of quoted text then this is a feature that I would like to see added in upcoming releases. But maybe I'm just doing something wrong, thats why im asking. -- Best regards, Tim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello MaXxX, Friday, October 29, 2004, 2:42:10 AM, you wrote: M What are you trying to say? That the problems are non-existent, M even if SOME users report them? For certain users, systems and configurations. M That is completely counter-productive. The goal of beta-testing is M not voting who likes the newest version more, but determining the M factors that cause bugs to exhibit themselves. Has nothing to do with voting but rather pointing out that some of us are able to run this version with no hiccups. That is equally important as reporting problems in terms of beta testing. M Perhaps you could describe your system and your mail setup, so that M those of us who had problems with 3.0.22 could compare it to M theirs, snip And exactly which parts of the mail system do you want them to describe? I could shoot you my entire registry entry minus the license key if you think it would help. I could also shoot you various account files for filters, quick templates, and .ini settings. It's easier to find reasons a bug exists than to find reasons it doesn't. If I have a bunch of IE users telling me the CBT training module works just fine for them, and one or two telling me it doesn't, I'm going to look at the non-working machines first to find out why. At any rate my point is that if people don't speak up where there are no problems then the developers have to assume the problem is larger than it is. I agree with Michael, it is faster, I'm not experiencing the hanging connection center (so more stable), and I think it is wonderful that RITLabs is quashing bugs left and right lately. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Suggested new name for Depends adult undergarments: GRAMPERS! Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Spell Check
Hallo Tim, On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:51:26 -0400GMT (29-10-2004, 16:51 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TC Am I missing something or is there no way to not spell check on TC quoted text. You're right, that isn't possible. TC It's bad enough I have to fix all of my misspellings but I really TC do not like correcting someone elses. Well, you shouldn't. It's considered very bad form to quote somebody and simultaneously alter the text you're quoting. -- Groetjes, Roelof there are three things that come next, uh four... The Bat! 3.0.2.2 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpfDOl7Uvnjh.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Huge memory usage with 3.0.2.2
I ran out of memory while trying to burn a DVD, and looking at the Task Manager revealed that The Bat's VM size is 745MB! I have no idea what caused this (or why didn't Windows complain about lack of memory earlier). I have 8 POP3 accounts and 1 IMAP account and 768MB RAM total, running on Windows 2003. ,- | Module:thebat.exe | Full path: D:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe | File version: 3.0.2.2 Rush | Description: The Bat! E-Mail Client | PID: 388 | Parent PID:3952 (Explorer.EXE) | Priority: 8 | Threads: 8 | | Started at:27.10.2004 22:39:24 | Uptime:1 18:20:15 | | GDI Objects: 376 | USER Objects: 333 | | Processor Time: 00:05:31.314 0% | Privileged Time: 00:01:30.907 0% | User Time: 00:04:00.406 0% | Handle Count: 411 ! Page File Bytes: 781455360 | Page File Bytes Peak: 868069376 | Working Set: 57311232 | Working Set Peak: 431153152 | Pool Nonpaged Bytes: 74464 | Pool Paged Bytes:123540 | Private Bytes:781455360 | Page Faults: 770750 0/sec | Virtual Bytes: 1123184640 | Virtual Bytes Peak: 1423249408 | IO Data Bytes: 1956271060 0/sec | IO Read Bytes: 1896071494 0/sec | IO Write Bytes:60199566 0/sec | IO Other Bytes:18196799 0/sec | IO Data Operations: 341075 0/sec | IO Read Operations: 280496 0/sec | IO Write Operations: 60579 0/sec | IO Other Operations: 240067 0/sec `- -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ If God had intended us to go around naked, He would have made us that way. -- Olum's Observation (and see Martha's Maxim and Farrow's Finding) [The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows NT Clone 5.2.3790.] Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Spell Check
Hello Roelof, Friday, October 29, 2004, 10:58:27 AM, you wrote: Well, you shouldn't. It's considered very bad form to quote somebody and simultaneously alter the text you're quoting. Yes your right just very tiring clicking ignore for all the misspellings that are not mine. -- Best regards, Timmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Hello Tony, Friday, October 29, 2004, 6:51:41 AM, you wrote: TB Hello 9Val, TB A reminder of what 9Val typed on: TB 29 October 2004 at 13:38:44 GMT +0200 9 I use VFs and have no troubles on exiting TB Well that blows that theory out the water then! Not necessarily. It can easily be that some people do not have a problem with closing *AND* using VFs, but that doesn't mean that VFs are not at the heart of the problem. I mean, if ANY time a VF was used the system hung, I would be extremely concerned about the level of testing that the programmers are using before they release a new version for us. So from what I have seen here, VFs may very well be a necessary condition for the bug to manifest, but may not hang every install. That suggests that something in the VF code, or something that the VF code interacts with are the obvious places to start looking. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Hello George, Friday, October 29, 2004, 7:34:27 AM, you wrote: GMM I don't like it, the size keeps growing and growing! Jeez, even Word 2002 is GMM smaller than 3.0.2.2!!! To be fair, the word executable is less than 10% of Word. Take a look at all those DLLs out there! gasp GMM Maybe it's time for TB to get a more modular form based on Dlls loading on GMM demand. But, yes that would be nice! My needs are fairly simple. I would love to cut out a lot of the code I don't need g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Cleartype (was: Weird LCD monitor bug)
Hello Daniel Vollmer everyone else 29-Okt-2004 09:30, you wrote: In my days without internet connection I made a tiny ClearType adjuster for offline use (20k). It still needs IE and ActiveX, but only for the local zone. You can find it here: http://www.maven.de/code/cleartype.zip I just found something: http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/7/0/b7019730-0fa3-47a9-a159-98b80c185aad/setup.exe ...they heard the prayers? (parent page http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx) ... 'nuff OT now. :-} -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Gerrold's Laws of Infernal Dynamics: 1. An object in motion will be heading in the wrong direction. 2. An object at rest will be in the wrong place. Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: TB! hangs when deleting task in CC
9Val [9], wrote: MW TB! loads fine but stalls on when synchronising a folder. When this MW happens I usually hit Del to delete the task and TB! continues to MW process other folders. With the latest beta TB! simply hangs. This MW happens every time... so I'm reverting to 3.0.1.33. 9 Do you mean killing IMAP request or IMAP mail task? IMAP request, e.g. Message list from \\Martin Webster\Mailing lists\TBBETA. BTW, I'm giving 3.0.2.2 another go and it's working reasonably well now... except I can't shut it down as others have reported. -- .\\artin | ICQ 15893823 Change is certain. Progress is not. E H CARR ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! Version 3.0.2.2 Rush | Horde IMP WebMail IMAPS Server: Dovecot | OS: Windows XP Professional (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello Roelof, M No, because if I do I will _not_ be using my normal working environment M as I never leave messages on server. I know you're using Mercury as mail server and I'm not familiar with it, but my mail server enables me to send copies to an archive (I can set the archive to automatically expire to any period). I've been using Mailtraq for years now, but most mail servers I've tried in the past had a similar feature. Yes, I think it can be done with Mercury but I'm not doing it. M Anyway, don't worry about me. I won't. ;-) Thanks, what would you like to drink? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello Arjan, Set the test client to leave messages on the server. No, because if I do I will _not_ be using my normal working environment as I never leave messages on server. Then set the release version to leave messages on the server. That would serve no purpose and, anyway, that is not what I want to do. Thanks anyway, -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello Allie, Don't worry about him. :) Thanks Allie :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello MikeD, snipped a bit It is more work, I have not lost any data doing things this way. Doing it the way I do, I have not lost any data with any Beta version, at least yet :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awfull
Hello Arjan, You could do that: 1) by running The Beta! version simultaneously on another machine (just like I did until I got fed up with it). 2) by running The Beta! version simultaneously on the same machine, but as an independent program. This should not be very hard to understand. I know it's not hard to understand, it is that I want to do it the way I do it now. Because it's simple and safe enough for me, and I'm willing to take the risks that may be involved. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3022 is awesome
Hello Marck, The question might be better asked as do you have any virtual folders in your folder tree? (at all - whatever version. The current theory is that the presence of these is causing the lock up on exit). As I have said in some other message, I use quite a number of VFs and I haven't had a single problem on exiting TB... yet. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Spell Check
Hello Roelof, TC Am I missing something or is there no way to not spell check on TC quoted text. You're right, that isn't possible. Are we using the same product? My spell checker never (I quite sure) tries to spell check quoted text. Hm, very strange indeed. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Hello Marck, A reminder of what Marck D Pearlstone typed on: 29 October 2004 at 13:51:54 GMT +0200 MDP Strike that. The hanging returned. I have to remove VFs to not hang on MDP exit. Mine hangs if I have VF's regardless of check boxes. No VF = NO HANG. A reminder of what Charlene Ferrara typed on: 29 October 2004 at 13:54:24 GMT +0200 CF Then I deleted my VF's and upgraded again to the rush and in 5 from 5 CF attempts there were no more problems, Tb closed as it should. Could it be we're getting somewhere, making progress on this issue? A reminder of what 9Val typed on: 29 October 2004 at 13:38:44 GMT +0200 9 I use VFs and have no troubles on exiting Of course, there will always be at least one spanner being thrown about :) -- Best regards,Tony. _ The Bat! v3.0.2.2 Rush 29/10/2004 at 13:05 UTC 2ØØ4 - AWB Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Test
Hello TBBETA,
The reason for this test is that I get the following error message
when trying to send another message:
!29/10/2004, 22:58:53: SEND - Server reports error. The response is: 5.7.0 {mp011}
Sender address does not belong to logged in user
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Re: Spell Check
On Friday, October 29, 2004, 17:06, Tim Casten wrote: Yes your right just very tiring clicking ignore for all the misspellings that are not mine. Which editor are you using? As far as I remember, MicroEd has never spell checked quoted text. That is the only TB! editor I have ever used though, I don't know about the others. If you are using the Windows editor, I suppose it would help the developers to know if this problem was introduced together with the significantly reworked editor released with v3.0.2.2. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Fwd: NFS: Slow opening and adding filter conditions
This is a forwarded message From: Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 29, 2004, 10:58:41 PM Subject: NFS: Slow opening and adding filter conditions ===8==Original message text=== Hello TBBETA, I didn't get a reply on TBUDL, so I'll try here. The problem is consisting, and maybe someone over here is willing to create multiple filter conditions to test. This is the message: Quote At work, I use TB 3.0.1.33 under Win XP Pro SP2 with 512M RAM. Not sure about the processor speed, but it's a usually pretty fast computer. In the main account, I have 73 Incoming filters. Some have only one condition, others more. The more conditions a filter has, the slower it gets to open the particular filter, and even slower to add more conditions. All conditions are OR and on Header: Contains and Action: Move to folder X. When I open the filter with 45 OR conditions, it already opens very slow. Today I opened the filter with 56 conditions, as I had to add another one. Opening already took many seconds. But adding the new one took several minutes! Here are the details: 1.) Click on the filter (takes several seconds for the filter to display the many conditions, see above). 2.) Click on Add and chose the kind, such as OR, that goes pretty fast. 3.) Click on Sender (in order to choose Header) and this took minutes. Literally. I opened Windows task manager and saw TB's CPU usage in the high nineties while the rest of the computer (including the usually-flapping bat icon) froze. 4.) After a while (2 minutes or so) the CPU usage went down to zero, everything went back to normal, and I could add the email address. The filtering itself works fine. I didn't have this problem with TB 2.12. I also don't notice a slow-down when opening filters with just a few conditions, but from 10 or 20 upwards, it's noticable. With 45 still tolerable, if you really love TB. With 56 conditions, the opening time alone is already intolerable, forget about adding conditions. Reliably reproducible. Can anybody confirm? NB: I know my number of filters and conditions is unusually high, but shouldn't TB v3 be able to handle it as gracefully as v2.12 did? At least you get a clue why I said in the beta phase that filtering is crucial to me, I couldn't handle over 300 messages day without TB's superior filtering system. But adding a new email address to a filter taking minutes just takes the fun out of it. /Unquote -- TIA, Thomas. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html ===8===End of original message text=== -- Best regards, Thomasmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test
Hello Thomas,
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:00:24 +0700 GMT (29/10/2004, 23:00 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:
TF !29/10/2004, 22:58:53: SEND - Server reports error. The
TF response is: 5.7.0 {mp011} Sender address does not belong to
TF logged in user
The sender address *does* belong. This message came through didn't it?
I'll go hunting in the headers and see what's wrong with the other
message.
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Re: My experiences with v3.0.2.2
Hi Tony, On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:27:06 +0100 (8:27 AM here), Tony Boom [TB] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: TB I just set up a VF with conditions that could not be met so that TB nothing got filtered into it. TB hung 2 out of 5 times so I feel TB pretty confident that the fault lies somewhere with VF's. This version works very well for me. Obviously there is a bug as too many experienced users are experiencing the shut down problem. I've never used VF but have noticed that many that report this bug do. I believe your suspicions regarding VF are correct. I'm not brave enough to try your experiment ... I'd hate mess up a good thing over here. :) -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.0.2.2 Rush under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpMrsoebGins.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Spell Check
Hello Marcus, Friday, October 29, 2004, 12:01:16 PM, you wrote: Which editor are you using? As far as I remember, MicroEd has never spell checked quoted text. That is the only TB! editor I have ever used though, I don't know about the others. Yes, I'm using MicroEd! -- Best regards, Timmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Spell Check
Hello MAU, Friday, October 29, 2004, 11:42:01 AM, you wrote: Are we using the same product? My spell checker never (I quite sure) tries to spell check quoted text. Hm, very strange indeed. -- Best regards, Timmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.0.2.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
