Re: Filter on VF created from Search tool is wrong
Hi Miguel N Hope you don't mind being a test subject. :) M I don't mind being a 'test', but maybe I mind being a 'subject' ;-) ;) I'll go along with that. 'subject of gossip', perhaps, but not just any old 'subject'. -- Groetjes Natasha Pearce The Bat! 3.5 on Windows XP Professional 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP in 3.5
Hi Alto! On 16 May 2005 14:18:44 , you typed: AS (I don't need to add that though all tasks have aparently been AS completed, still the Connection Center has not closed, do I?) That's a thing i don't understand with Imap either. Isn't the connection centre supposed to be closed after all tasks have been completed even though you're online all the time as in you're having a broadband connection? Mi TB ignores the check box in the CC telling TB to close the centre after all tasks have been completed. Should it be like that and if not can one have TB behave like i want it to? Btw, TB only does this on Imap accounts for me not in Pop accounts. -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V3.5, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Yet another congratulate!
TB! now, at last, seems to remember the last message viewed in a folder when returning to that folder. This regardless of whether I delete messages and compress the folders (if I did in the earlier versions, TB! sure forgot immediately), restart TB! or, it seems do whatever possible. This was certainly one of the 'features' that made me feel familiar with TB!, I could always be sure I would have no idea of what message would show when I re-entered a folder. Now, I feel a little lost, wondering if it is still TB!. Everything works so smoothly, I don't have to waste time looking for the last viewed message, I could just go on reading from where I were. Phew, finally! Good work Ritlabs! -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bugs and changed behavior in v3.5
On Monday, May 16, 2005, 22:59, BWMarcotte wrote: Bug - I deleted messages from a thread but the number of total messages did not change. I attached a .png file showing the 7 remaining messages with the total number of messages in the thread still showing as 28. Further information: - The thread I was viewing was in a virtual folder. I changed focus to my saved messages folder then went back and the thread now states correctly 7 total messages. Confirmed. Have not tried it with a VF, but every step is reproducible in an ordinary folder. Changed behavior - In previous versions of The Bat (v 30133 and earlier) when I selected Move to Folder I was presented a folder list which mirrored the state of my folders (some open, some closed). Now, in v3.5 that folder list has every folder with sub-folders closed. I now need to take an addition step or steps to open the folder and sometimes the sub-folder to select where I wish to move the message. Confirmed. I too miss the old behaviour. If it's not too much work, please revert. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Bayes Filter and 3.5
Hi TBBETA I probably have a local problem, but the Bayes filter (Achim's one) has gone crazy and is classifying almost all TBBETA messages as spam. I've reclassified them as Not junk - but it still persists. Any suggestions? (To be fair - it is trapping real spam too, but it just seems to have gone crazy on TBBETA messages) -- Graham Windows XP 5.12600 The Bat!: 3.5 -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. -- Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bayes Filter and 3.5
Hallo Graham, On Tue, 17 May 2005 08:48:52 +0100GMT (17-5-2005, 9:48 +0200, where I live), you wrote: FG but it just seems to have FG gone crazy on TBBETA messages) Can't blame it for that, with the recent flow. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Taglines: bumper stickers for computer nerds. The Bat! 3.5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpCq1IBmzcXI.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
--On 16 May 2005 17:53 -0500 Allie Martin wrote about... Re: First Impressions: Did you reply to another message when sending this message? Yes I did. Don't see much point to the question otherwise. As soon as I get all the kids off to school and do my chores I'm going to read through all 4 PDF files I've downloaded. I have: advmulberry.pdf quickwin.pdf winref.pdf winstarted.pdf Are there any other you know of I should read? -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bayes Filter and 3.5
Found the (likely) problem... (My instance of) TB Release version 3.5 is not remembering the Bayes plugin. I checked and TB was configured to use the OLD (v2) plugin. I un-installed this plugin, and re-referenced the latest version (2.02 in a different directory). I closed TB, and re-opened - the old (v2.0.0) was still referenced. I repeated the re-configuration, but this time completely deleted the old folder with 2.0.0 in it. I restarted TB! and now TB! had NO anti-spam plugin. I reconfigured (yet again), restarted TB and once again, no anti-spam plugin was loaded. How can I convince TB that the Bayes filter is installed in the TB! program folder?? -- Regards Graham -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. -- Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bayes Filter and 3.5
How can I convince TB that the Bayes filter is installed in the TB! program folder?? This is drying me nuts.. TB just will NOT remember the plugin location -- Regards Graham -- Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates (which may be known outside the United States as Merck Frosst, Merck Sharp Dohme or MSD and in Japan, as Banyu) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. --attachment: failstoremember.png Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Some problems with mail ticker
Hello tbbeta, After the upgrade to version 3.5 I am having some problems with the mail ticker. Often (but not always) if I click on the mail ticker in order to open a mail the bat freezes. The view mail window does not open and I have to close and open again the bat. -- Fabio Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bugs and changed behavior in v3.5
B Changed behavior - B In previous versions of The Bat (v 30133 and earlier) when I B selected Move to Folder I was presented a folder list which B mirrored the state of my folders (some open, some closed). Now, B in v3.5 that folder list has every folder with sub-folders closed. B I now need to take an addition step or steps to open the folder B and sometimes the sub-folder to select where I wish to move the B message. I also find this quite irritating. I preferred the previous behaviour. -- Fabio Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
MailTicker + eToken problem
Hello, This bug not fixed in final 3.5 Release :( https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4594 -- Regards, Anton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Yet another congratulate!
Hello Marcus, This was certainly one of the 'features' that made me feel familiar with TB!, I could always be sure I would have no idea of what message would show when I re-entered a folder. Now, I feel a little lost, wondering if it is still TB!. Everything works so smoothly, I don't have to waste time looking for the last viewed message, I could just go on reading from where I were. Phew, finally! Good work Ritlabs! Fully agree, great achievement :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bayes Filter and 3.5
Hallo Graham, On Tue, 17 May 2005 09:00:40 +0100GMT (17-5-2005, 10:00 +0200, where I live), you wrote: FG (My instance of) TB Release version 3.5 is not remembering the Bayes FG plugin. I checked and TB was configured to use the OLD (v2) plugin. FG I un-installed this plugin, and re-referenced the latest version FG (2.02 in a different directory). I closed TB, and re-opened - the old FG (v2.0.0) was still referenced. I repeated the re-configuration, but FG this time completely deleted the old folder with 2.0.0 in it. I FG restarted TB! and now TB! had NO anti-spam plugin. I reconfigured FG (yet again), restarted TB and once again, no anti-spam plugin was FG loaded. More or less confirmed. I didn't have an older version installed in TB, but I can't get v2.0.2 to install properly either. On the Ritlabs forum somebody describes the same problem: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/forum/read.php?FID=5TID=1382 When I decided to remove BayesFilter the software panel of the configuration screen still told me I had an older version of BayesFilter installed. That was right, until I installed 2.0.2 a few minutes before on top of it. So it might have something to do with installations that didn't work out properly, but that's just guessing FG How can I convince TB that the Bayes filter is installed in the TB! FG program folder?? Dunno -- Groetjes, Roelof sorry, I don't date outside my species The Bat! 3.5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgp1RFhvFFeqt.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP in 3.5
On Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 2:12:17 AM [GMT -0500], Krister Ekstrom wrote: That's a thing i don't understand with Imap either. Isn't the connection centre supposed to be closed after all tasks have been completed even though you're online all the time as in you're having a broadband connection? Mi TB ignores the check box in the CC telling TB to close the centre after all tasks have been completed. Should it be like that and if not can one have TB behave like i want it to? Btw, TB only does this on Imap accounts for me not in Pop accounts. For POP accounts, TB! knows a task is finished with there's a disconnection from the server. The same applies for IMAP. However, for IMAP, completed tasks does not necessarily mean that TB! has disconnected from the server, hence the persistence of the connection centre. -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5 System Specs: http://www.landscreek.net/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Any fool can criticize, condemn, complain. And most do. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Outbox and Drafts revisited
Hello All, At the request of a user the Drafts were recently changed to appear in the Outbox marked as 'Read' in order to distinguish them from messages meant for despatch. With the possibility of sorting the two kinds of Outbox messages into different virtual folders it would be nice to have the option of making the Drafts again marked as 'Not read' so that the VF becomes bold when there are messages present. Please developers, is there any possibility of introducing this as an 'Option'? I notice now that since making VF's attached to my Outbox two new tabs have appeared at the foot of the folder list pane, named the same as my VF's. Is this a new feature? -- Best regards, Roger Flying with The Bat!, version 3.5, with antispam BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release, on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Outbox and Drafts revisited
Hello All, A few minutes ago I sent a message on this subject which concluded with the following paragraph: RP I notice now that since making VF's attached to my Outbox two new RP tabs Outbox and Drafts revisited have appeared at the foot of the RP folder list pane, named the same as my VF's. Is this a new RP feature? I realise now that the naming of the tabs the same as my VF's is just coincidence, and it is a new feature introduced by Ritlabs which I had not noticed before. -- Best regards, Roger Flying with The Bat!, version 3.5, with antispam BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release, on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Icon in taskbar - right click menu
Hallo Martin, On Tue, 17 May 2005 12:42:44 +0200GMT (17-5-2005, 12:42 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MS In the taskbar on the right side I have the icon of running TheBat! MS Right-click on the icon brings up a menu. If I go to Active MS Account - no account is set as active account. MS If I click one account in the account/folder the account is MS highlighted. But If I change the active account in the MS account/folder list the menu in the right-click menu in the taskbar MS doesn't follow - the old account is set as active. Confirmed -- Groetjes, Roelof '95 - The percentage of people who will have to upgrade their hardware The Bat! 3.5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpTq0F57wiPl.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Icon in taskbar - right click menu
Hello Martin, If I click one account in the account/folder the account is highlighted. But If I change the active account in the account/folder list the menu in the right-click menu in the taskbar doesn't follow - the old account is set as active. Confirmed. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5 Final a preview of issues to be tested
Hello Peter, Newly encountered issue(s): Yellowish icons, general use of .png files ?? If by this you mean the fact that after installing 3.5 final I (and others) seemed to not be able to use alternate sets of icons, I think this it has been fully clarified how to do so via a batskin.xml file. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some problems with mail ticker
I just realised that the problem is not the mail ticker..it seems to happen whenever i double click on a mail message in order to open the message in a new window. Almost 50% times the program freezes and I have to close and reopen. -- Fabio Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: System Hotkey question
Hello, Martin, Tuesday, May 17, 2005, you wrote: MS In Options - Preferences - System Hot Keys there is *nothing* set. MS As far as I remember Alt-F2 is Get New Mail for all. MS But I found that F11 does the same thing - but I never defined such MS a hot key... Customize - Main Menu (menu bar) - Tools - Send + Check for All With best regards. - TB! v.3.5 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 v.5.1.2600, up 2 days, 20h 1m 51s - BayesIt! 0.8.1, MyMacros 1.10, TBPajsMacro v.0.6.5.11 -- Konstantin Zhilenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]| ICQ: 7212604 | http://onyx.kiev.ua Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: System Hotkey question
Hallo Martin, On Tue, 17 May 2005 13:20:26 +0200GMT (17-5-2005, 13:20 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MS In Options - Preferences - System Hot Keys there is *nothing* set. Over there isn't anything too. But neither did I expect that. I've never used any system hot keys. MS As far as I remember Alt-F2 is Get New Mail for all. That's correct, still works over here. MS But I found that F11 does the same thing - Here too. MS but I never defined such a hot key... Just checked it, it did that already in 2.12 (I'm still running a copy on another system) -- Groetjes, Roelof Dogmatism: Puppyism come to its full growth. The Bat! 3.5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpuDV1vvkvfn.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Outbox and Drafts revisited
Hello All, Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 12:16:53 PM, among other things, I wrote: RP I notice now that since making VF's attached to my Outbox two new RP tabs Outbox and Drafts revisited have appeared at the foot of the RP folder list pane, named the same as my VF's. Is this a new RP feature? RP I realise now that the naming of the tabs the same as my VF's is just RP coincidence, and it is a new feature introduced by Ritlabs which I had RP not noticed before. It's not often I reply to myself but in this case I must! The original message was correct, the new tabs _are_ connected to the VF's. I tested this by deleting the VF's and reinstalling them. In the case of the first one reinstalled I had to close and reopen TB before the tab appeared but thereafter the tab appeared as soon as I created the VF. Strange! Next time I'll try to test first. -- Best regards, Roger Flying with The Bat!, version 3.5, with antispam BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release, on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.5 Multi-mon
Just installed 3.5 and discovered that it STILL has some multi-monitor issues. I have three monitors on my system, ordered [3] [1] [2] with [1] as primary, and run TheBat! on [3] maximized. First (minor) issue: All versions of TheBat! have been unable to restore to the correct monitor when the program is exited while maximized (they restore to monitor [1]). Oddly, if the program is exited when restored, the 3.5 versions *DO* come up on the correct monitor, so it appears that RIT is at least /trying/ to get this right. smile (Having done this for apps I've written, I know what a PITA it can be, I'm just hoping RIT can find a way to solve it for TheBat! as I did with my apps.) Second issue, part 1: The drop-down menu for Create a new message appears on monitor [1], while the drop-down menus for Receive new mail, Send queued mail, and Reply appear on the correct monitor (that's [3] for me). Second issue, part 2: The Create a new message drop-down lost one of its most useful features in the transition to v3.5: a hierarchical menu that showed groups at the top level and individual users within those groups. Why, oh why, did RIT take that away from us? -- Steve Valliere| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Electronic Visions, Inc. | http://www.electronicvisions.com Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No On-The-Fly Pwd installation ?
Hello Martin, Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 10:39:43 AM, you wrote: I tried to make a very fresh installation from MSI with On-The-Fly Pwd setup - the question just at the beginning of the installation. Are you sure that there were the question about the On-The-Fly? For Home Edition setup, there is no such question. Or, if the registry is not blank, there is no question also. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: System Hotkey question
Hello Martin, But I found that F11 does the same thing - but I never defined such a hot key... On the menu, see Tools/Send + Check for All -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No On-The-Fly Pwd installation ?
Hi Maxim, just now (on 05/17/2005 at 14:18) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you sure that there were the question about the On-The-Fly? For Home Edition setup, there is no such question. Or, if the registry is not blank, there is no question also. Just to confirm this. I didn't try OTFE, but I know from several people that they have massive problems with OTFE. They describe things in the similar way as Martin does. One reports that after Restoring the settings before OTFE in OTFE TB! claims that ikey would be missing. -- Bye, Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
View mode has changed... dialog
Every once in a while after performing a send/receive The Bat will be visible on screen but the window will not take focus (The Bat will not respond to mouse clicks nor alt-key combinations). In that case I right-click on The Bat in the toolbar and select close and then re-open The Bat and everything is fine again. But, with v3.5 asking to save the view mode changes my only recourse is to kill the bat from the task manager. Would it be possible to have an option regarding whether or not to ask to save view mode changes? -- Best regards, BWMarcotte Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Alternate Glyph for v3.5 available
Hello Tony, Monday, May 16, 2005, 1:03:44 PM, among other things, you wrote: TB Changed mine to size 24, perfect! Thank you very much. When I reinstalled batskin.xml I got the old problem of _very_ small icons. I'm using the same OS as you, what display setting are you using? -- Best regards, Roger Flying with The Bat!, version 3.5, with antispam BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release, on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Another alternate Glyph for v3.5 available (Small Edition)
Hello All, If you managed the symbol size via the 'Batskin.xml', there is the unpleasant effect which unsightly blurredly represents the Icons. This circumstance made a further version of the Minimal Design necessary. The SMALL Edition contains smaller symbols [1], which was optimized for a monitor solution of 640x480 pixel. Now, the icons are also represented clearly from the menu bar [2]. This version was also tested for bugs on Windows 98/Windows 2000 and Windows XP. See Screenshots [1],[2]+[3] If you would like to try them, please take a look at the readme file before installing the icon set. enjoy... ;) Preview: http://bat-mail.de.vu/minimal.html Download [28 KB]: http://thebat.orgavision.de/zip/minimal_batskin_SMALL_v335.zip -- best regards Miroslav Attachments / Dateianlagen: --- [1] minimal_small_vs_big.gif (8,91 KB) [2] minimal_small_menu.gif (6,38 KB) [3] GUI http://bat-mail.de.vu/samples/minimal_big_vs_small.gif (25 KB) BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://bat-mail.de.vu News-Ticker: http://thebat.orgavision.de/bat-mail.xml Klipfolio Klip: http://thebat.orgavision.de/klipfolioattachment: minimal_small_vs_big.gifattachment: minimal_small_menu.gif Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bayes Filter and 3.5
On Tue, 17 May 2005, at 09:17:18 [GMT +0100] (which was 10:17 where I live) Foster, Graham wrote: How can I convince TB that the Bayes filter is installed in the TB! program folder?? This is drying me nuts.. TB just will NOT remember the plugin location I have installed v.2.0.2 in program files and that works without problems. -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.5 Pro on Windows XP SP2 Request-PGP: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0x6C9F6CE78C32408B Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgpcq66KI1fl5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Lost Scheduler
Hello Stefan, On Tue, 17 May 2005, at 08:46:57 [GMT +0300] (which was 1:46:57 AM in NY, USA) Stefan Tanurkov wrote: Sorry. My mistake. All I had to do was expand the dialogue box for the tree and all to appear. Without doing this, it looked exactly as if I had the same problem as before...no way to add a new scheduled item. Please give me some screen shots or a mid link if you were explaining this before... Sure. Just to reiterate, I believe this to be a non-issue with v3.5. It just looked like it was the same problem I had previously. http://www.rosedreamdesign.com/TheBat/0505_sched.png is very close to what I originally saw with all TB releases between 3.024 rush and pre-3.5 releases. The dialogue box could be expanded but nothing additional was revealed nor was there a right-click menu. Now, with 3.5, I saw the very same when first launching the scheduler but when I dragged the window edges to expand it, more is revealed as shown in the second screenshot and all right-click functionality was functional. http://www.rosedreamdesign.com/TheBat/0505_sched_2.png I think this is everything that is supposed to show. My original babbling on this subject can be found here: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] These unique problems are always the most difficult to adequately explain. -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.5 Windows XP build 2600 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: Alternate Glyph for v3.5 available
Hello Roger. --On 17 May 2005 14:49 +0200 you wrote about Re[2]: Alternate Glyph for v3.5 available: When I reinstalled batskin.xml I got the old problem of _very_ small icons. I'm using the same OS as you, what display setting are you using? Nothing to do with display settings, it's the batskin.xml you need to edit. Open it up with notepad and near the top you'll see a section called sizes. Replace the top three lines of it with these ones and you should have size 24 icons, half way between size 16, the small ones and 32, the big ones. sizes size id=MenuIcons width=16 height=16 / size id=ToolbarIcons width=24 height=24 / size id=Buttons width=24 height=24 / -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No On-The-Fly Pwd installation ?
On Tue, 17 May 2005, at 14:41:03 [GMT +0200] (which was 14:41 where I live) Manuel Breitfeld wrote: just now (on 05/17/2005 at 14:18) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you sure that there were the question about the On-The-Fly? For Home Edition setup, there is no such question. Or, if the registry is not blank, there is no question also. Just to confirm this. I didn't try OTFE, but I know from several people that they have massive problems with OTFE. They describe things in the similar way as Martin does. One reports that after Restoring the settings before OTFE in OTFE TB! claims that ikey would be missing. Can't confirm. I am running OTFE since RC4 without a problem. -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.5 Pro on Windows XP SP2 Request-PGP: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0x6C9F6CE78C32408B Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgpC0bpetYOWS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: No On-The-Fly Pwd installation ?
On Tue, 17 May 2005, at 15:28:38 [GMT +0200] (which was 15:28 where I live) Martin Schoch wrote: Hi Martin, On Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:22:55 PM you wrote: Can't confirm. I am running OTFE since RC4 without a problem. My problem was OTFE _after_ a fresh new MSI installation of 3.5 Final. Yep, I read that earlier in this thread. In my case OTFE was already active when I installed 3.5 final. -- Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.5 Pro on Windows XP SP2 Request-PGP: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0x6C9F6CE78C32408B Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgp3szi5Y57Fq.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: AV Mail Dispatcher 3.5
Hello Ian! On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 8:23 AM, you wrote: Previous AV --- The Bat! --- Access violation at address 00444F98 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 0008. --- OK --- This matches one that I got with the Mail Dispatcher process button in RC9. I've had about 6 in v. 3.5, but none since I replied to your first 3.5 report on this. I'm quite puzzled as to why they occur. I'll stay alert and copy the next AV I get of this kind, and report it here. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Lost Scheduler
Hello James, Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 4:03:05 PM, you wrote: Sure. Just to reiterate, I believe this to be a non-issue with v3.5. It just looked like it was the same problem I had previously. Hmm. Did you try to resize the window and fiddle a bit with splitters? If it doesn't help, just exit TB!, fire up the RegEdit and delete the key HKCU\Software\Rit\The Bat!\SmartPad. HTH -- Best regards, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: ...still not fixed in RC9...
Hi 9Val! Yeah, 9Val, I know, just cosmetic stuff and nothing important. But I really think (like many others here in the beta list) that maybe old bugs should be fixed before adding cosmetic stuff like new icons. It seems that I'm associated with all un-fixed bugs and as antagonist of bug-fixes. Well, you could think anything, that doesn't change me in the reality :) I'm just talking to you because you are doing much of the external conversation out of Ritlabs here. Don't take it personal, When I say you I mean everybody at Ritlabs, or let me say so: I mean Ritlabs not single people there. Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.5 powered by Windows NT Clone 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Mod: HTML use (was: Anybody willing to share his/her TBBeta archive ?)
Hello Tim, Monday, May 16, 2005, 5:16:00 PM, you wrote: T I have them back to last march 04 moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Tim. ' Please do not send HTML messages to the list except for purposes of testing. While the merits of HTML are debatable, and have been discussed numerous times on the lists, the list rules prohibit HTML e-mail. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Smile, It makes people wonder what you're up to! Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 is now available
Hi all, great!! Another final version full of long known bugs! I can't wait until we have 4.0 Final, buggy as 3.5 Final but then with an upgrade fee. It's like Microsoft where I also do betatesting. You have a timetable and follow it, regardless of what should be done before releasing the software. As I mentioned in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] there are still many unfixed issues and non of these issues was commented or fixed between my last mail (RC9) until the final version: Connection Center appearance: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (noticed in RC5 or 6) Visual (folder bars) / Remote Desktop / SMIME / Windows Server 2003: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (noticed in 3.0.9.19, S/MIME also in the first and early beta 3.x versions) Also I'm still waiting for this 16 month old issue: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2333 See, most of the users are using finals of TB and will have to live with these cosmetic bugs months or years (if they do not upgrade). So in my opinion it would be better to fix all the open bugs and then continue to increase the version number from 3.0 to 3.5. I'm VERY VERY frustrated right now. It seems that only the showstopper bugs play a role here in the group. Everything which is not great but in some kind of way usable is ignored. For me mentioning not the showstoppers but the (as 9Val called these bugs before) cosmetic bugs, I feel more or less dispensable here in the group. Also I think that the Bug Tracking System you are offering on your website is useless and just holds people away from doing something useful. There are so many issues which are a year old or even much older. Again, 9Val, I don't want to be personal. I complain about Ritlabs and their betacycle and release policy, not about you. (Before somebody complains about this mail because it was mentioned during the last days: No, I did not read any of the ~900 messages I got during the weekend because I wasn't hat home and did not have the time yet to go through the mails.) Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.5 powered by Windows NT Clone 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Lost Toolbar Customizations
Hello TBBeta! Every time I start this version the Save Message(s) to a file and Delete button are hidden behind a . If I edit via View|Toolbars|Customize the items reappear and look fine. When I close The Bat! using either the X or Message|Exit Menu, the customization is lost and I have to go through this cycle again. Why won't these settings stick? Its not a question of not enough screen real estate, as there is plenty of room. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgp2v29UNSqGv.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 crashes
Hi, One more of the just-gone-crashes: Start Program, Click get mail Program vanishes without trace. Doing the same again worked then. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpStnVcAD1H9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 crashes
Hello Alto, Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 4:32:06 AM, you wrote: A One more of the just-gone-crashes: I had one about ten minutes ago pressing ESC to refresh a VF. Tried it again, and it worked as expected. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Can you teach an old Moderator new tricks? Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
v3.5 status
Hi, MS great!! Another final version full of long known bugs! I can't MS wait until we have 4.0 Final, buggy as 3.5 Final but then with an MS upgrade fee. It's like Microsoft where I also do betatesting. You MS have a timetable and follow it, regardless of what should be done MS before releasing the software. veryveryvery(!)biggrin I couldn't agree more in any way. Let's sum up v3.5 for a moment: - The ControlCenter malfunctions (AVs, vanishes, opens and closes wrongly or not at all, looses track of its connections), even if it did in v3.01. - The POP-Dispatcher is broken, even if it wasn't in v3.01. - The Search function gives AVs on some systems, even if it didn't in v3.01. - The Customize function gives AVs, false display (empty dialogs, wrong buttons) and generally undesired reactions (folder auto-width) - there wasn't such a thing in v3.01. Even if not all defects show up at every installation, that doesn't leave much that is working at all, does it? Moreover, - IMAP doesn't work even as bad as in v3.01, but worse. - The new look is - in my very humble opinion - much inferior to v3.01's simple presentation which already gave all the needed data but didn't obfuscate it with colour themes in which you can select every single colour nuance - except the very one you would like to change or set back to v3.01's colours. - The memory consumption has worsened, if anything. - The editor (MicroEd) still has the enter-bug (some already tried to make me understand that this would be a feature, but even those gentlemen had to agree that it is a hinderance, not a benifit). And then, last of all, we come to the common bugs that are present in each version of every program, where TheBat certainly makes no exception: - In v3.01, in Setup columns in the browse folder-window there was the option Auto width. In v3.5, it is no more. Since I'm using the same messagebase on different machens, one of them with a 21 display and one with a 17 one, I constantly have to resize columns. v3.01 did it automatically. Am I here at last allowed to call it a bug? Or did the option move to another place where I haven't been able to locate it yet? Only one thing I don't agree, and that's your comparison with Microsoft. I have contacted MS just recently. The matter was resolved in very few days to my fullest satisfaction. RITs support doesn't have a prayer here. They aparently need years just to notice something's wrong. That's why the time one could universally recommend TheBat is long gone. TheBat used to have a fine, almost unparalleled reputation among similar programs both for its capabilities, its safety and its reliability. It wasn't easy, but RIT has finally managed to kill that reputation - the capabilities would be fine if they worked, to trust a program this unstable would be a bit presumptuous, and about the reliability - well... Well. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp6svsaPZ6zM.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: NFS: Delete Task (was: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC8 is now available)
Hello MAU, On Thu, 12 May 2005 15:56:27 +0200 GMT (12/05/2005, 20:56 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: This has been going around for a few betas (RCs): M snipped M Looking at the Subject, what does this have to do with NFS? Aren't you M referring to CC (Connection Centre)? Yes, I mixed these abbreviations up. -- Cheers, Thomas. Wenn morgens frueh der Wecker rasselt, ist der schoenste Tag vermasselt. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Voice
Hello Goos, On Thu, 12 May 2005 16:26:56 +0200 GMT (12/05/2005, 21:26 +0700 GMT), Goos wrote: G is an integrated plugin for voice email available or planned G in TB? TF Come again? It sounded like you were mixing up voice mails and an TF e(lectronic)mail client. G Combining them. Adding spoken text to my written mails. I'm glad I'm ignoring this thread. 1,127 mails in TBBETA to go, and 303 on TBBUDL. :-( -- Cheers, Thomas. Man: Your place or mine? Woman: Both. You go to yours, and I'll go to mine. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Empty space (was: 3.5RC8 a preview of issues to be tested)
Hello Mary, On Thu, 12 May 2005 09:31:32 -0500 GMT (12/05/2005, 21:31 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: MB When scrolling, I have only one line of empty space. I still have empty space in the message list. More than one line. Especially when I delete messages off that list. MB Yes. Confirmed. It's the Account/Folder tree which is slightly MB improved in RC8. The slight improvement in the current version doesn't cut it for me. MB *But*: Select Bottom from Account/Folder tree context menu, and MB space the full height of the account tree pane is left below the MB display of the last listing on the Account/Folder tree. MB Can you confirm this? No, I don't have a problem in the account tree. But in the message list. With 1,125 messages to go in TBBETA alone, don't count on me seeing your reply, though. My point is: The message list is not fixed in the current release. -- Cheers, Thomas. Die Bewohner von Hinter-Indien haben suedlich unter dem Munde eine Oeffnung. Ich habe sie mir auf der Karte gemerkt. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Empty space (was: 3.5RC8 a preview of issues to be tested)
Hello Thomas! On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 11:33 AM, you wrote: With 1,125 messages to go in TBBETA alone, don't count on me seeing your reply, though. ... LOL So you get a PM CC with this! Never challenge a Bull! hehehe :evilbat: My point is: The message list is not fixed in the current release. Completely confirmed. But Stefan has implied that these aspects are a work-in-progress, in what he's said about moving columns and customise. So I have hope. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Alto! On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 11:31 AM, you wrote: ... doesn't leave much that is working at all, does it? Different strokes for different folks. I do have to disagree with your conclusion, while conceding the validity of your complaints. And in one aspect alone my experience has been completely different from yours: I have always received prompt attention from RitLabs, whether in customer service, Bug Track, or TBBETA. Everything of importance to me is working in 3.5. The points on which I myself have complained are quite insignificant in comparison to the great stability and utility of the program as it's working here. Not meaning to start a :flame_war: . Just giving another point of view: my own. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bayes Filter and 3.5
Graham, Iprobablyhavealocalproblem,buttheBayesfilter(Achim'sone) hasgonecrazyandisclassifyingalmostallTBBETAmessagesasspam. I'vereclassifiedthemasNotjunk-butitstillpersists.Any suggestions? (Tobefair-itistrappingrealspamtoo,butitjustseemstohave gonecrazyonTBBETAmessages) I have never been able to get either bayes filter to work. Am currently using the one you have. It never catches anything. Yes, I have trained it to where it stopped complaining about not enough. 250 scanned spam now. But in your case, it might be sufficient to set up a manual whitelist entry for tbbeta. -- Gleason UsingTheBat!v3.5onWindowsXP5.1Build2600 ServicePack2PrimarilyusingtheFastmail IMAPserverwhichusesCyrus. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: v3.5 status
Het was op dinsdag 17 mei 2005 om 19:21 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'v3.5 status' : Hallo Mary, ... doesn't leave much that is working at all, does it? MB Different strokes for different folks. Nice rhyming, and it ain't even close to Xmas yet. :banshee: MB Everything of importance to me is working in 3.5. The points on which MB I myself have complained are quite insignificant in comparison to the MB great stability and utility of the program as it's working here. have to agree... it may not be perfect yet, but then again, what IS? But 3.5 is running quite smoothly here, with no AV's and things that I use are working. Even IMAP. So, me happy... ;) -- regards, Cees I suppose you don't have any French cigarettes? No, but we wave English ones you can smoke with a foreign accent (from: Open All Hours) ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: :beta: 3.5 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Mod: HTML use (was: Bayes Filter and 3.5)
Hello Gleason, Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 11:24:34 AM, you wrote: G complaining about not enough. 250 scanned spam now. But in your G case, it might be sufficient to set up a manual whitelist entry G for tbbeta. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Gleason. ' Please do not send HTML messages to the list except for purposes of testing. While the merits of HTML are debatable, and have been discussed numerous times on the lists, the list rules prohibit HTML e-mail. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Hey la, hey la, the Moderator's back... Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hi, take 5 people and you get 5 different opinions. What I was trying to say is that TB 3.5 Beta was not in no way ready for release. There are so many bugs still not fixed. @ Mary and Cees: AVs and stuff like that are showstoppers for me. I was talking about minor things plus things that simply do not work (but indeed do not crash the program). Let me give some examples... See, I start TB under a Remote Desktop Connection with various resolutions. I have to ajust the width of the columns in the folder window (Name, Unread, Total) every day twice or more. I have to resize the size of Connection Center twice a day not talking about that I am not able to see Connection Center because it is started in the background. I cannot 100% see if a S/MIME certificate is valid. It is marked valid and in another window it is marked with an question mark. There are ugly white areas under the maillist even if there are more mails in the folder than fitting into the window (hope you can understand what I'm trying to say). Also I'm wondering why TB takes about 70MB of RAM and takes more than 4 times longer for starting and counting the mails than version 3.0. I am wondering why my address book file is getting bigger and bigger when I'm changing pictures of people. Also it is not getting smaller when deleting entries. I do not understand why the subject is changing back to the original subject when I reply to a mail and try to alter the subject and then go with TAB into the mail body. And and and... There are so many things not working or not working correct. I agree that the final version runs and does not show any AVs (at my place) but the non-showstopper problems and isues problems which are mentioned again and again do not let me think about a final product. Sometimes I really think that Ritlabs is trying to add more and more gimmick features to impress new customers but leave a battle field talking about the old features which do not work as the should and were announced. I know it's a problem because Ritlabs promised their paying customers features in the 2.x product cycle which were not implemented until release cycle 3.x and are still not implemented into 3.5. This is the reason I'm really frustrated about this beta cycle. And the beta cycle ended like always. Hey guys we are release the final version soon. Many people complain but the final is brought out anyway. I don't get it! @ Alto: I don't know what issues you got with Microsoft but my experience as a betatester since Windows 95 (going all the stony way through Win98, Win98SE, WinME, Win2000, WinXP, WinXP MCE, WinXP MCE SE, Win2003) do not let me think that Microsoft always handles it that way. Often I had to learn that they simply didn't care and just had the RTM date in mind where the master CD hat to find its way into the CD factory. But I also have to say that I also had many many situations where bugs (and also the cosmetic bugs) where treated as number one target and where fixed right away. Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.5 powered by Windows NT Clone 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hi Martin, In the message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which was apparently written on Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 7:13:03 PM. I believe you wrote: MS I do not understand why the MS subject is changing back to the original subject when I reply to a mail and MS try to alter the subject and then go with TAB into the mail body. It does this because the body is not different, if you edit it, and then change the subject it remains.. It annoys me intensely, but then for those who use threading, its a good way to discourage people for thread hijacking.. Personally it annoys me too -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Alternate Glyph for v3.5 available
Hello Tony, Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 3:10:22 PM, among other things, you wrote: TB Open it up with notepad and near the top you'll see a section called TB sizes. Replace the top three lines of it with these ones and you should TB have size 24 icons, half way between size 16, the small ones and 32, the TB big ones. TB sizes TB size id=MenuIcons width=16 height=16 / TB size id=ToolbarIcons width=24 height=24 / TB size id=Buttons width=24 height=24 / I had edited the second three rows from 32 to 24! Many thanks for your help. I agree that this size is just right. -- Best regards, Roger Flying with The Bat!, version 3.5, with antispam BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release, on Windows XP, version 5 1, build 2600 and Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Martin! On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 1:13 PM, you wrote: ... And and and... There are so many things not working or not working correct. I agree that the final version runs and does not show any AVs (at my place) but the non-showstopper problems and isues problems which are mentioned again and again do not let me think about a final product. I said to Alto that I conceded the validity of those complaints, from the expressed point of view. And I see why all these small things are stressing you, also. I'm not bothered. I have to reset the separation line in Mail Dispatcher every time it pops up. (My Spam filter is between my own ears, so I read every listing there.) But--I've adjusted--it's only one more micro-second of a mouse click. I feel your pain, but I wonder why you don't just drop back to 3.01, which was working for you. Unless writing these long lists of what's wrong, over and over, is helping sufficiently to relieve that stress. Sometimes it does help to blow off a little steam. :) On the other hand, you might be in a condition of burn-out as a beta tester and just need a break and some RR or a :batbeer: . :) Here endeth my current set of advice/opinions. :rn: nurse mode off. / Be well. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Another alternate Glyph for v3.5 available (Small Edition)
Hi Miroslav, This circumstance made a further version of the Minimal Design necessary. Looks very good. Only: when composing a new message, the histor, add to addressbook ... icons right from the To: field are displaced to the bottom left corner (they sit in the left bottom corner and only part of the icon is visible). -- Grüße, Martin Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Threading?
Can someone please reply to this post so that I can reply to that to see if I have my threading problem sorted. I can't reply to any previous posts, the solution I may have found won't allow it. Many thanks. -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hello Tony, Can someone please reply to this post so that I can reply to that to see if I have my threading problem sorted. :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hallo Tony, Can someone please reply to this post so that I can reply to that to see if I have my threading problem sorted. Here you are. -- Martin Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hello Martin. --On 17 May 2005 21:47 +0200 you wrote about Re: Threading?: ...what are you testing ;-) Threading. For some reason my headers are all to cock and people are complaining that they don't thread properly. I may have a fix for it so if anyone could let me know if my replies now thread OK I'll be grateful. -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hello MAU. --On 17 May 2005 21:49 +0200 you wrote about Re: Threading?: :-) Only smile of it works... Does it? -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
On Tuesday, May 17, 2005 @ 12:54:14 PM [-0700], Tony Boom wrote: :-) Only smile of it works... Does it? It did for me! -- Matt Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hello Tony. --On 17 May 2005 20:54 +0100 you wrote about Re: Threading?: of If, you plank, IF. Getting excited that's what it is :) -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 2:53:46 PM, Tony Boom wrote: I may have a fix for it so if anyone could let me know if my replies now thread OK I'll be grateful. these two did. what did you do? -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.5 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hello Tony, :-) Only smile of it works... Does it? It does because your headers are correct now. See: ,- [ ] | Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] `- -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hello Dwight. --On 17 May 2005 15:19 -0500 you wrote about Re: Threading?: these two did. what did you do? Lets see if a few more do before I get all excited and reveal my method. -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hello Tony Boom everyone else, on 17-Mai-2005 at 21:54 you (Tony Boom) wrote: :-) Only smile of it works... Does it? This reply was sorted where it should be (below MAU's message), so it seems like you found the solution. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Lost Toolbar Customizations
Hallo Kevin, On Tue, 17 May 2005 11:16:32 -0400GMT (17-5-2005, 17:16 +0200, where I live), you wrote: KC Every time I start this version the Save Message(s) to a file and KC Delete button are hidden behind a . Can't confirm. I even added two icons to the main toolbar without problems. Customizations are saved perfectly. My only problem is that have to use a workaround to make all toolbars disappear. -- Groetjes, Roelof Error finding PITY.SYS - Now get lost and whine at someone else. The Bat! 3.5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpaWm74gTECa.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hi Mary, ah now we are talking about me. ;-) We should talk about TB, not about me. But I don't have a problem with that. See, I'm not experiencing a burn-out syndrome as betatester and I don't feel pain about the bugs I still see in the program. It's more like I'm considering myself useless because nobody deals with cosmetic issues and I'm a chicken-hearted betatester and always wait some hours and the first reports of the fearless testers until I upgrade to a new version. So for me most of the time the non showstopper stuff is left. I participate in this group sind 1.6x I think and I often saw it happen like this. Cosmetic issues aren't important enough to delay a new final version. Complains from the whole betagroup are not enough important to delay a new final version. Sometimes I'm also missing real project coordination. Meaning for example that features are promised within the current release cycle (1.x, 2.x, 3.x) and were not implemented (partially not until now) or somehow implemented but not really working but other new and somehow spontaneous features are implemented and mainly effect whole beta cycles. But to make one thing clear: TB is still and always THE mail client for me even if it looks like a giant construction site to me at the moment. Also I want to be sure that I'm understood the right way: All my compliment to the programmer team of TB. I'm complaining about development priorities set by Ritlabs. But with one thing you're absolutly right: Writing about things I'm not happy with is a relieve. :-) Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.5 powered by Windows NT Clone 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hello Martin. --On 17 May 2005 21:52 +0200 you wrote about Re: Threading?: Here you are. Many thanks... Does it thread? -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hello MAU. --On 17 May 2005 22:22 +0200 you wrote about Re: Threading?: Hello Tony, It does because your headers are correct now. See: I sent an email to Mulberry support. Got an answer within the hour asking me to reply to the post they sent attaching my IMAP log. Less than an hour later I got an answer to what the cause was. 10 Minutes after that a solution which was to filter my list mail into local folders and reply from them instead of my IMAP folders. The problem was with my IMAP server. Storing the messages locally stops them having to be stored on an IMAP server which is where the problem occurs. The reason it doesn't happen with The Bat? Because TB! doesn't yet observe all the rules of the IMAP protocol and just ignores many of the commands issued by the server. OR so I was told. Soon as TB's IMAP does work reliably I can get back to it, MicroEd and ALT+L :) -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hello Alexander. --On 17 May 2005 22:16 +0200 you wrote about Re: Threading?: This reply was sorted where it should be (below MAU's message), so it seems like you found the solution. I have and it works. It's all your fault anyway, trust you to notice it :) -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hello Tony, ... I can get back to it, MicroEd and ALT+L :) You miss that, don't you? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Threading?
Hello Tony, The reason it doesn't happen with The Bat? Because TB! doesn't yet observe all the rules of the IMAP protocol and just ignores many of the commands issued by the server. Interesting enough. Do you have any concrete examples handy? The source of problems with IMAP in TB! is in the data structures used in the program and their usage with IMAP. The data structures were initially oriented to the local storage and this heavily influenced to the IMAP implementation. So, the next Beta cycle is going to be primarily about: - IMAP (many things will be rewritten) - Unicode/DBCS support - Submission Forms (as a key part of another project, but I see they can be used as a part of many solutions) I know that IMAP and Unicode become a really long story, but these are complex things with many stones under water - many can recall IMAP server-specific fixes and poor support for Unicode under Win9x... -- Best regards, Stefanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Another alternate Glyph for v3.5 available (Small Edition)
Hello Martin, Looks very good. Only: when composing a new message, the histor, add to addressbook ... icons right from the To: field are displaced to the bottom left corner (they sit in the left bottom corner and only part of the icon is visible). oops, a code line was missing in the xml file. please download the zip file again, sorry. Download [28 KB]: http://thebat.orgavision.de/zip/minimal_batskin_SMALL_v335.zip -- best regards Miroslav BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://bat-mail.de.vu News-Ticker: http://thebat.orgavision.de/bat-mail.xml Klipfolio Klip: http://thebat.orgavision.de/klipfolio Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hello MAU. --On 17 May 2005 22:48 +0200 you wrote about Re: Threading?: You miss that, don't you? ;-) I do, very much. I've gotten so used to MicroEd over the years and I never knew how much I'd miss ALT+L, a simple key combo that corrects all my anti-format habits and makes me look literate :) -- Tony. M. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
Hello Martin! On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 3:33 PM, you wrote: But to make one thing clear: TB is still and always THE mail client for me even if it looks like a giant construction site to me at the moment. LOL Yes. And, I think, if I may say so, that it's TB!-plus-me that all of us always talk about. As a diverse group of beta-testers, the sum of our individual findings and points-of-view is what helps both RitLabs and its developers. Also I want to be sure that I'm understood the right way: All my compliment to the programmer team of TB. I'm complaining about development priorities set by Ritlabs. I've been using TB! since v. 1.61 but only beta testing since 3.0. But I lurked on the beta list from about v. 2.06. And I concur with your criticism of RitLabs development priorities, in the main. But they are the ones with the business plan, and so they implement it. I'm no business woman, and The Bat! stays alive, so I have to think they know better about what their priorities should be than I do. I think it is clear, though, that you are not in a minority in wishing they would not do a final release of a version--as they did with both 3.0 and 3.5--without getting at least the newer features a bit less confusing. More than one of us would have liked to see at least one more RC before the final release this time. But with one thing you're absolutly right: Writing about things I'm not happy with is a relieve. :-) Thought so. I think most of the more annoying things are going to be fixed, in time. Like windows that don't remember. The move-to window that won't stay expanded, mirroring the current condition of the folder tree, for instance. I really miss that one. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Lost Toolbar Customizations
Hello Roelof, A reminder of what Roelof Otten typed on: May 17, 2005 at 22:29:58 GMT +0200 RO Hallo Kevin, RO On Tue, 17 May 2005 11:16:32 -0400GMT (17-5-2005, 17:16 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: KC Every time I start this version the Save Message(s) to a file and KC Delete button are hidden behind a . Try making a change to that toolbar, ie move trash up one and then back down, save changes and let it refresh. This seems to fix this problem for me. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.2 On Windows 2000 5.0 Build #2195 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: AV Mail Dispatcher 3.5
Hello Ian! On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 8:23 AM, you wrote: Reporting another AV when pressing the process button in the Mail Dispatcher. So here's my latest, with my 4:41 p.m. mail download: - Access violation at address 000444FA6 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 0014. - This makes 7 times for me in v. 3.5. As you can see, the address matches the first of yours below, Ian. --- The Bat! --- Access violation at address 00444FA6 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 03F6C000. --- OK --- Previous AV --- The Bat! --- Access violation at address 00444F98 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 0008. --- OK --- Wish we could find out what these are about. I have my Anti-virus set for automatic checking, approximately once an hour. Plus I have XP set for automatic notification of available downloads. Those are the only two things my firewall is set to let go in and out automatically. Still, could there be a conflict in server access from time to time here? I wish I knew of a log I could look in. The Sygate log isn't completely understandable to me. I have TDS3, but I don't know how to use it for that either. Anyway, it's my latest half-brain theory. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Another alternate Glyph for v3.5 available (Small Edition)
Hello Miroslav, Looks very good. Only: when composing a new message, the histor, add to addressbook ... icons right from the To: field are displaced to the bottom left corner (they sit in the left bottom corner and only part of the icon is visible). oops, a code line was missing in the xml file. please download the zip file again, sorry. Yep, that's perfect now! Thanks a lot! -- Martin Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
O Byte tmp files
Hello all, These past few days I have found a number (large a couple of days ago) of 0 byte batxxx.tmp files in my TEMP directory after exiting TB. Has anybody else seen this? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: O Byte tmp files
Hallo MAU, On Wed, 18 May 2005 00:59:02 +0200GMT (18-5-2005, 0:59 +0200, where I live), you wrote: M These past few days I have found a number (large a couple of days ago) M of 0 byte batxxx.tmp files in my TEMP directory after exiting TB. No. -- Groetjes, Roelof The shortest distance between two Points is a BossNode. The Bat! 3.5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpRD9n1Ais5m.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: O Byte tmp files
On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 00:59, MAU wrote: These past few days I have found a number (large a couple of days ago) of 0 byte batxxx.tmp files in my TEMP directory after exiting TB. Has anybody else seen this? Quoting and seconding Roelof: No -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
UI: Dictionary to add to not working in RMB menu
Right clicking on a word my spell checker did not now (Roelof, if you want to know :-), I noticed I could not select which dictionary to add the word to. IIRC, Dictionary to add to used to expand into, well, I don't know, I suppose a list of available dictionaries? Now, anyway, it is not expandable at all. Either it is as UI bug, or the list of spell checker TB! is using for this feature is corrupt. Besides this, my spell checking works as expected. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hi Stefan, On Wed, 18 May 2005 00:01:09 +0300 UTC (5/17/2005, 4:01 PM -0500 UTC my time), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: S The source of problems with IMAP in TB! is in the data structures used in S the program and their usage with IMAP. The data structures were initially S oriented to the local storage and this heavily influenced to the IMAP S implementation. This is a very well spoken statement. Thank you for your candor. S So, the next Beta cycle is going to be primarily about: - IMAP (many S things will be rewritten) snip this is very exciting news. I am looking forward to it. -- Gary Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: v3.5 status
On Tue, 17 May 2005 17:02:52 -0500, Mary Bull wrote: But with one thing you're absolutly right: Writing about things I'm not happy with is a relieve. :-) Thought so. I think most of the more annoying things are going to be fixed, in time. Yes. And by that time there will be the new annoying things to be complained about, of course. That's the problem. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: O Byte tmp files
Hi MAU These past few days I have found a number (large a couple of days ago) of MAU 0 byte batxxx.tmp files in my TEMP directory after exiting TB. MAU Has anybody else seen this? RO No. MO Quoting and seconding Roelof: No None found here so far. -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.5 on Windows XP Professional 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Submission forms (was: Re: Threading?)
On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, 23:01, Stefan Tanurkov wrote: So, the next Beta cycle is going to be primarily about: - IMAP (many things will be rewritten) - Unicode/DBCS support - Submission Forms (as a key part of another project, but I see they can be used as a part of many solutions) I never quite got what submission form was for. Before asking, I checked the manual and it turned out they are just what I thought they were. But that actualises another question: Do anyone really use them? If I understand correctly, this is - as long as it comes down to the client side - a TB! specific feature. Is TB! big enough for companies to develop features especially for TB! Or is this meant to be used within corporation and if so, do you (Ritlabs) know if it is? Just curious. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hello Tony, On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:17:46 +0100 GMT(5/17/2005, 4:17 PM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony Boom wrote: I'd miss ALT+L, a simple key combo that corrects all my anti-format habits and makes me look literate :) ROFLMAO! Boy can I relate to this comment! :-) -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: O Byte tmp files
Hello Natasha, RO No. MO Quoting and seconding Roelof: No None found here so far. Well, I'll keep an eye on them and see if I can more or less find out when and why they happen. Thanks to all. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: UI: Dictionary to add to not working in RMB menu
Hello Marcus, Now, anyway, it is not expandable at all. Either it is as UI bug, or the list of spell checker TB! is using for this feature is corrupt. Besides this, my spell checking works as expected. Confirmed. I'd say its a bug. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Restore problems
Hi Martin, On 17/05/2005 02:49 PM +0200, you wrote: I did a backup of everything of TheBat. It was installed in c:\programme\The Bat! . After that I deinstalled TheBat, cleared the registry and deleted the directory. Did you backup the registry key for TB! as well? It's likely that you did. For a new fresh installation I changed the directory name to c:programme\TheBat After installation I tried to restore everything. ... including the registry key which contains all the old file paths in it for installation and mail directories? Result: The folders and messages are stored to the *old* directory The Bat! So all messages are in two directories now... Somewhat strange. Not if the old registry has been restored. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: UI: Dictionary to add to not working in RMB menu
On Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 01:57, MAU wrote: Now, anyway, it is not expandable at all. Either it is as UI bug, or the list of spell checker TB! is using for this feature is corrupt. Besides this, my spell checking works as expected. Confirmed. I'd say its a bug. It's definitely a bug, the question is whether it's an UI bug or a spell checker bug. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: Threading?
Hi Stefan, On 18/05/2005 12:01 AM +0300, you wrote: Because TB! doesn't yet observe all the rules of the IMAP protocol and just ignores many of the commands issued by the server. Interesting enough. Do you have any concrete examples handy? Early in my Mulberry days, I had a problem with Mulberry not recognizing some signed messages as such. However, TB! had no such problems. It turned out that Mulberry followed the IMAP protocol to the letter and retrieves only that much message header information required. If the IMAP server was not buggy it would send the information about whether or not the message was signed. I reported this to MDaemon support and a fix was soon implemented. Tony's issue is just another example of how Mulberry depends on the IMAP server for parsing headers. This is part of the protocol. OTOH, TB! doesn't take advantage of this IMAP capability and doesn't fall victim to the servers buggy header parsing. -- Cheers, -= Allie M. =- Eat Healthy, Exercise, and Die Anyway ... Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Lost Scheduler
Hello Stefan, On Tue, 17 May 2005, at 17:37:03 [GMT +0300] (which was 10:37:03 AM in NY, USA) Stefan Tanurkov wrote: Sure. Just to reiterate, I believe this to be a non-issue with v3.5. It just looked like it was the same problem I had previously. Hmm. Did you try to resize the window and fiddle a bit with splitters? If it doesn't help, just exit TB!, fire up the RegEdit and delete the key HKCU\Software\Rit\The Bat!\SmartPad. HTH I'll try it. But could you, or anyone, send me a screenshot of what the scheduler is supposed to look like? -- Best regards, James Senick The Bat! v.3.5 Windows XP build 2600 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Mon, 16 May 2005 22:43:10 +0100, Clive Taylor wrote: MAU was right in an earlier message about your headers. For some reason the leading and trailing are being stripped from the message references. Yes. Mulberry shouldn't do that as it is against RFC-XXX (don't know which one) recommendations/rules. Compare mine in the post I just made in this thread from Mulberry and yours - there is a difference. Why it's happening I don't know, though. Let me quote the relevant header part of your message: | In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]@neurowerx.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | .12] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]@mailsnare.net | [EMAIL PROTECTED] This looks like a right mess. For one reason or another TB! adds backslashes before the dots in the domain part of the Message-ID in the In-Reply-To header line. Perhaps it thinks it should be treated as a regular Expression? Moreover, my antique TB! 2.12 doesn't even recognize the format [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a Message-ID! On the other hand there is Mulburry, incorrectly cutting off Message-ID's in the References headerline. Conclusion: Two mail clients not treating References ID's as they should do according to the relevant RFC. Oh welll, I've seen even worse... Arjan shrug -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions (correction)
(First message had inccorrectly quoted headerlines) On Mon, 16 May 2005 22:43:10 +0100, Clive Taylor wrote: MAU was right in an earlier message about your headers. For some reason the leading and trailing are being stripped from the message references. Yes. Mulberry shouldn't do that as it is against RFC-XXX (don't know which one) recommendations/rules. Compare mine in the post I just made in this thread from Mulberry and yours - there is a difference. Why it's happening I don't know, though. Let me quote the relevant header part of your message: | In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | .12] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] This looks like a right mess. For one reason or another TB! adds backslashes before the dots in the domain part of the Message-ID in the In-Reply-To header line. Perhaps it thinks it should be treated as a regular Expression? Moreover, my antique TB! 2.12 doesn't even recognize the format [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a Message-ID! On the other hand there is Mulburry, incorrectly cutting off Message-ID's in the References headerline. Conclusion: Two mail clients not treating References ID's as they should do according to the relevant RFC. Oh welll, I've seen even worse... Arjan shrug -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Empty space (was: 3.5RC8 a preview of issues to be tested)
Hello Mary, Wednesday, May 18, 2005, 12:11:08 AM, you wrote: MB LOL So you get a PM CC with this! Good idea! ;-) MB Never challenge a Bull! hehehe :evilbat: hehehe My point is: The message list is not fixed in the current release. MB Completely confirmed. Thanks. MB But Stefan has implied that these aspects are a work-in-progress, Too bad. It means I cannot use v3.5 in the office. This version is a nice toy for my home, but not what I need in a heavy production environment. And I thought TB is *the* tool for the heavy user, and not just a toy. MB So I have hope. :) Did they say when TB will move back from toy status to tool status? -- Best regards, Thomasmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
