Re: 3.51.9? Que?
Hi Stuart, I did.. Im half asleep but yes, I do have it It is mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It turned up this morning! -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.51.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.8.1, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2, SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a. Acupuncture is a jab well done. pgpD66Ozhv32o.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Filters
Hello Thomas, Monday, July 25, 2005, 2:09:00 AM, you wrote: DE Filter 1 catches spam and moves it to a spam folder. DE Filter 2 catches list and moves it to a list folder. DE Which one should take preference if the message get caught by both ? The one that is topmost, if Continue with other filters is not checked. Yep that is checked. (Don't ask it gets complicated) So the message can get caught by both filters. So I ask again which one should move it when it gets caught by both. ASK IIRC, the message is a fixed object during the filtering stage. If both ASK filters move the message, you should have two copies in the two destination ASK folders (I haven't tried that however). No. The keyword for the filter here is move, not copy. The message is an object in computer-speak, don't know what a fixed object is. Filter 1 moves the object (message) to the spam folder, filter 2 moves it to the list folder. So it ends up in the list folder only, there are no two copies (unless you browse deleted messages, but we won't go into this). He would have two copies has he told the filters to copy instead of move the message. ASK Maybe thats a topic for TBTECH? No, rather for TBUDL. It's not a very technical question, every user has filters like this so it's rather basic, and it's not a beta issue either. I have a filter for friends and one for lists. It is possible for a message to get caught by both. ASK To avoid that, I've set up my filters for mailinglists as subfilters. How complicated. The more straight-forward solution is to *not* check continue processing If you are not sure and get too many false positives, recalibrate your spam filter. The reason that I put it here is because filter activity was changes some time ago, and I was wondering if it had changes again. -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
some S/MIME bugs
Hello All, some S/MIME bugs: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4985 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4986 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4987 Can somebody confirm? Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.51.9 powered by Windows 2003 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hi all, take a look at the attached screenshot. What is going on and how do I get the usual Connection Center back? I already restarted TB but it apprears still this way. :-( Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.51.9 powered by Windows 2003 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org connection-center.gif Description: GIF image smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: some S/MIME bugs
Hello Martin, Monday, July 25, 2005, 11:33:37, you wrote: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4985 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4986 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4987 Can somebody confirm? Can't confirm without samples. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Again the answer: IDN-domains and TB?
Hi Maxim, just again the answer: are you going to implement IDN to TB and if yes when (almost ready, next week, next month, next year, next decade ;-) will you do this? Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.51.9 powered by Windows 2003 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Martin Sebald wrotes on 25/07/2005 at 19:43:53 +1100 subject Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window! : Hi all, take a look at the attached screenshot. What is going on and how do I get the usual Connection Center back? I already restarted TB but it apprears still this way. :-( Catch the border below the white surface with your mouse and drag it upwards... :) -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber-IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 215599852 - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] - YIM moimeme666fr - AIM moimeme666fr TheBat! 3.51.9 and Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.3 on Windows 2000 ___ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hallo Martin, On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:43:53 +0200GMT (25-7-2005, 10:43 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MS take a look at the attached screenshot. What is going on and how do I get MS the usual Connection Center back? I already restarted TB but it apprears MS still this way. :-( Press the details button. It's a bit difficult to understand what you mean with usual, but that's the difference with my CC. -- Groetjes, Roelof Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. - Robert A.Heinlein The Bat! 3.51.9 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpna7wBveiBL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hi Hendrik! take a look at the attached screenshot. What is going on and how do I get the usual Connection Center back? I already restarted TB but it apprears still this way. :-( Catch the border below the white surface with your mouse and drag it upwards... :) I cannot catch and drag this part of the window. The only things I can do is clicking on the four buttons on the bottom and resizing the window. The mouse does not change its cursor and noting happens when clicking somewhere below the white surface. Hm... Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.51.9 powered by Windows 2003 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: some S/MIME bugs
Hello all, Monday, July 25, 2005, Martin Sebald wrote: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4986 unable to reproduce, TB displays info about existing certificate, no crash. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.51.9 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Address Book macros not working in QTs
Hallo Natasha, On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:59:24 +1200GMT (25-7-2005, 1:59 +0200, where I live), you wrote: NVP I have a QT containing ABFromFName and a couple of other AB macros. A couple of NVP versions ago, these started appearing as blanks. Then in 3.51.8 this was fixed. NVP Now I'm back to being served blanks by my AB macros. I've done a little bit of testing, but this QT: ,- [ Test ] | %ABOFromFirstName was wondering about a bug on %ABOToFirstName | %ABFromFirstName tries to check it out `- gives this result: Natasha was wondering about a bug on tbbeta Roelof tries to check it out NVP Anyone else confirm? No. However, first I tried your macro: %ABFromFName and that didn't work, I checked the help and saw that it should be %ABFromFirstName. What really bothers me is that you think your macro was working in 3.51.8. Is it possible that you've got two QT's, one with the proper syntax and one that's failing? -- Groetjes, Roelof Windows 95 not found! (D)ance (C)heer (P)arty? The Bat! 3.51.9 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpPyOwIGNgWV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hi Roelof! take a look at the attached screenshot. What is going on and how do I get the usual Connection Center back? I already restarted TB but it apprears still this way. :-( Press the details button. It's a bit difficult to understand what you mean with usual, but that's the difference with my CC. Ah interesting. Something grey appeared in the lower part of the CC. But when downloading mails I don't see anything happening here. Everything is grey there, nothing, no text, no graphics appear there. Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.51.9 powered by Windows 2003 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Configuration file TBUSER.DEF (TBUSER.EEF in OTFE) is not backuped by internal Maintenance Centre
Hello, as I think, this is showstopper, such file must be backuped when user need this internal backup/restore when changing to OTFE mode and back. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4818 -- Thanks and Bye, Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.51.9 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Address Book macros not working in QTs
Hoi Roelof No. However, first I tried your macro: %ABFromFName and that didn't work, I checked the help and saw that it should be %ABFromFirstName. What really bothers me is that you think your macro was working in 3.51.8. Is it possible that you've got two QT's, one with the proper syntax and one that's failing? So I do! :thankyou: And having dealt with that problem exposed my other problem, which is that I had acquired a duplicate AB entry. Now deleted and all's well with my remaining QTs. Thanks for testing! And apologies for bringing a wetware error to the list. -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.51.9 Pro on Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hallo Martin, On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:37:24 +0200GMT (25-7-2005, 11:37 +0200, where I live), you wrote: Press the details button. It's a bit difficult to understand what you mean with usual, but that's the difference with my CC. MS Ah interesting. Something grey appeared in the lower part of the CC. But MS when downloading mails I don't see anything happening here. Everything is MS grey there, nothing, no text, no graphics appear there. Just to compare note, my cc looks like this attachment -- Groetjes, Roelof Say it with flowers. Give her a Triffid The Bat! 3.51.9 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAMattachment: Clipboard02.jpg pgpRBhNIGRXQ5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hi Roelof! Press the details button. It's a bit difficult to understand what you mean with usual, but that's the difference with my CC. Ah interesting. Something grey appeared in the lower part of the CC. But when downloading mails I don't see anything happening here. Everything is grey there, nothing, no text, no graphics appear there. Just to compare note, my cc looks like this attachment Yeah, my CC looked exactly the same until this morning. Well, I cannot tell if I pressed a key or clicked with the mouse by accident. It usually does not happen that I click without wanting to click, but I cannot tell for sure I did not. But how do I get the CC back like you (and almost everybody else) has it? Attached a screenshot how it looks now after pressing on details. Note: Nothing is happening in the grey window when up- or downloading mails. Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.51.9 powered by Windows 2003 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org connection-center_2.gif Description: GIF image smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hi all, after restarting TB everything is again as it should! Yippie! So I think that I pressed the details button by accident and the details vanished. After pressing details again a grey box appeared but nothing happened when downloading or uploading mails. See screenshot. After restarting TB everything is as it should. So I think this is a bug. Can anybody confirm? Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.51.9 powered by Windows 2003 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
last betas and regexp doesn't work right with special characters!
Hello! In the last few betas, the regexp-interpreter doesn't work right anymore. Example: %SetPattRegExp=#([\wäöüß ]*)#%- %REGEXPBLINDMATCH=#Schönen guten Tag#%- %SUBPATT=#1#%- Subpatt 1 should match on Schönen guten Tag, but it only finds Sch and this is very annoying :-( @9val, Max or someone else: Please fix this as soon as possible! -- Bye, Bernd Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: some S/MIME bugs
Hi Maxim! Can somebody confirm? Can't confirm without samples. Ok no problem. After deleting all S/MIME certificates out of a address book entry the checkbox Cert is still active https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4985 What kind of sample do you need here? A screenshot of the addressbook entry with the checked Cert? Well, no problem but why? Don't you believe what I'm writing? TB crashes when importing already existing S/MIME certificate to address book https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4986 What kind of samples can I provide here? S/MIME certificate shown as invalid in address book but shown as valid in signed mail https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4987 I can give you some screenshots. But they won't tell you more than I already have written into the bug report. In the message list the signature of the mail (so also the certificate in my opinion) is shown as valid and in the address book the same certificate (I imported it from the signed message into the address book) is shown as invalid with the notes I wrote into the bug report. Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.51.9 powered by Windows 2003 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: some S/MIME bugs
Hi Marek! https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4986 unable to reproduce, TB displays info about existing certificate, no crash. Hm strange. Well, like I wrote, I only tested this once and did not try it again. In fact I didn't want to test this I just wanted to import a certificate to the address book and did not remember that I already imported it weeks ago. Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.51.9 powered by Windows 2003 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hello Martin! On Monday, July 25, 2005, 5:20 AM, you wrote: But how do I get the CC back like you (and almost everybody else) has it? Have you checked out your setting in Options/Preferences/General? Just on a hope, set it to Always. Also, in Account/Properties/Options check Invoke Mail Dispatcher in Mail Management. Just something to try. If these options already are selected, change, and then change back. Then re-launch TB!, to try to get its attention? Just a thought. Maybe only something to do, like boiling water when the arrival of a new baby is imminent. Sorry about your problem. :woe: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.9 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
last betas and regexp doesn't work right with special characters!
Hello! In the last few betas, the regexp-interpreter doesn't work right anymore. Example: %SetPattRegExp=#([\wäöüß ]*)#%- %REGEXPBLINDMATCH=#Schönen guten Tag#%- %SUBPATT=#1#%- Subpatt 1 should match on Schönen guten Tag, but it only finds Sch and this is very annoying :-( @9val, Max or someone else: Please fix this as soon as possible! -- Bye, Bernd Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hello Martin! On Monday, July 25, 2005, 5:28 AM, you wrote: I think that I pressed the details button by accident and the details vanished. After pressing details again a grey box appeared but nothing happened when downloading or uploading mails. See screenshot. After restarting TB everything is as it should. Glad that solved it! So I think this is a bug. Can anybody confirm? Sorry, can't confirm. I followed your steps, and Details first hid and then reappeared, just as expected, when I pressed the button again. Freaky, huh? Hope it was a one-time occurrence only for you. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.9 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hallo Martin, On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:28:42 +0200GMT (25-7-2005, 12:28 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MS after restarting TB everything is again as it should! Yippie! Same for me, after I tried to reproduce it. MS So I think that I pressed the details button by accident and the details MS vanished. After pressing details again a grey box appeared but nothing MS happened when downloading or uploading mails. See screenshot. After MS restarting TB everything is as it should. MS So I think this is a bug. Can anybody confirm? Yes I can confirm. Steps to reproduce: Collect mail disable the details close TB start TB collect mail enable details the details pane stayed empty close TB start TB collect mail the details are shown as they should -- Groetjes, Roelof If the water is clean, you see the bottom, if dirty, you see yourself. The Bat! 3.51.9 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgprOdVnOJynE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hello Roelof! On Monday, July 25, 2005, 5:57 AM, you wrote: MS after restarting TB everything is again as it should! Yippie! Same for me, after I tried to reproduce it. MS So I think that I pressed the details button by accident and the details MS vanished. After pressing details again a grey box appeared but nothing MS happened when downloading or uploading mails. See screenshot. After MS restarting TB everything is as it should. MS So I think this is a bug. Can anybody confirm? Yes I can confirm. Steps to reproduce: Collect mail disable the details close TB start TB collect mail enable details the details pane stayed empty Not here. What am I missing? close TB start TB collect mail the details are shown as they should I will try one more time and report back. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.9 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hello Mary! On Monday, July 25, 2005, 6:03 AM, you wrote: Yes I can confirm. Steps to reproduce: Collect mail disable the details close TB start TB collect mail enable details the details pane stayed empty Not here. What am I missing? Okay. Confirmed. Details show in the Message Dispatcher but not in the Connection Centre when downloading mail. It's a bug, I think. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.9 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
When is Start/Duration of existing scheduller's event changed, its actions are lost
Hello all, I have strange problem, which I can confirm in my old installation and userbase, but can't confirm in newly installed TB in another folder, both uses 3.51.9 version. I have created new event, set its start, added action and closed event properties dialog. When I reopened this event, changed start/duration and closed event, action(s) are lost. Can somebody confirm? -- Thanks and Bye, Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.51.9 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hallo Martin, On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:28:42 +0200GMT (25-7-2005, 12:28 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MS So I think this is a bug. Can anybody confirm? Did you add it to bugtrack? -- Groetjes, Roelof Blessed are the pessimistic, for they hath made backups. The Bat! 3.51.9 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpYiwj6VzIvW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hi Roelof! So I think this is a bug. Can anybody confirm? Did you add it to bugtrack? No, not yet. I wanted to wait if this is one of the Martin Sebald only problems only or if it is a _real_ bug. ;-) Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.51.9 powered by Windows 2003 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hello Martin! On Monday, July 25, 2005, 6:24 AM, you wrote: So I think this is a bug. Can anybody confirm? Did you add it to bugtrack? No, not yet. I wanted to wait if this is one of the Martin Sebald only problems only or if it is a _real_ bug. ;-) Two confirmations, one from Roelof and one from Mary. I did three tests and the unwanted behavior occurred every time (once I stopped confusing the Connection Centre with the Message Dispatcher in my mind. g ) Put an issue report on BT and I will support it. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.9 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hi Mary! So I think this is a bug. Can anybody confirm? Did you add it to bugtrack? No, not yet. I wanted to wait if this is one of the Martin Sebald only problems only or if it is a _real_ bug. ;-) Two confirmations, one from Roelof and one from Mary. I did three tests and the unwanted behavior occurred every time (once I stopped confusing the Connection Centre with the Message Dispatcher in my mind. g ) Put an issue report on BT and I will support it. Done. :-) Thank you Mary and Roelof for helping me out with this issue. Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.51.9 powered by Windows 2003 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hi Mary, sorry, forgot the link: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4988 Regards, Martin -- The Bat! v3.51.9 powered by Windows 2003 5.2 Build 3790 Service Pack 1 ConCarne cooks best since 1998 http://www.concarne.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hello Martin! On Monday, July 25, 2005, 6:34 AM, you wrote: sorry, forgot the link: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4988 Support note added. It's important to be able to see Details! :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.9 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Connection Center, nearly everything is missing in the window!
Hi Martin Sebald, Monday, July 25, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : Yeah, my CC looked exactly the same until this morning. Well, I cannot tell if I pressed a key or clicked with the mouse by accident. It usually does not happen that I click without wanting to click, but I cannot tell for sure I did not. But how do I get the CC back like you (and almost everybody else) has it? Attached a screenshot how it looks now after pressing on details. Note: Nothing is happening in the grey window when up- or downloading mails. I can reproduce this at will, too. Forward and back. I added a support note on the Rit site. -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.51.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: When is Start/Duration of existing scheduller's event changed, its actions are lost
Hello Marek, Monday, July 25, 2005, 6:09:11 AM, you wrote: MM I have strange problem, which I can confirm in my old installation and MM userbase, but can't confirm in newly installed TB in another folder, MM both uses 3.51.9 version. MM I have created new event, set its start, added action and closed event MM properties dialog. When I reopened this event, changed start/duration MM and closed event, action(s) are lost. If you are referring to the scheduler then I'm sorry I can't confirm. I set it to do a file maintenance in the background and the start time etc. stuck. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.51.9 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
Hello All, The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_home_3-51.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_pro_3-51.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack.msi Here is a short list of changes: [-] Printing was not working good [-] (#0004977) Forwarding Filter does not work [-] Fix of colour group lost on IMAP after nested filter [-] (#0004871) Add address submenu was not working [-] (#0004978) Error No folders selected appears, when is folder maintenance of passw-protected account schedulled and account is protected [-] (#0004972) Attach menu was not updated [-] (#0004818) Configuration file TBUSER.DEF (TBUSER.EEF in OTFE) is not backuped by internal Maintenance Centre [-] TBUSER.DEF didn't migrate to TBUSER.EEF It is supposed to be a replacement of the currenlty downloadable 3.5.30. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
Hi Maxim Masiutin, Monday, July 25, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : Hello All, The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_home_3-51.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_pro_3-51.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack.msi Here is a short list of changes: [-] Printing was not working good [-] (#0004977) Forwarding Filter does not work [-] Fix of colour group lost on IMAP after nested filter [-] (#0004871) Add address submenu was not working [-] (#0004978) Error No folders selected appears, when is folder maintenance of passw-protected account schedulled and account is protected [-] (#0004972) Attach menu was not updated [-] (#0004818) Configuration file TBUSER.DEF (TBUSER.EEF in OTFE) is not backuped by internal Maintenance Centre [-] TBUSER.DEF didn't migrate to TBUSER.EEF It is supposed to be a replacement of the currenlty downloadable 3.5.30. Running fast, installation was a joy. Fine so far. Thank you for the work! -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
Hello Maxim! On Monday, July 25, 2005, 8:49 AM, you wrote: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_pro_3-51.msi Up and running. Went smoothly and easily. I'll report on new problems, if any, at the time that I spot them :) Thanks, as always, for all the fixes and for the hard work! :thankyou: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: last betas and regexp doesn't work right with special characters!
Hello Bernd, Bernd Distler wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): In the last few betas, the regexp-interpreter doesn't work right anymore. Confirmed as broken in 3.51.10 @9val, Max or someone else: Please fix this as soon as possible! Dreaming? :-) -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.51.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: last betas and regexp doesn't work right with special characters!
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:02:39 +0200, Boris Anders [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: @9val, Max or someone else: Please fix this as soon as possible! Dreaming? :-) Sometimes dreams come true ;-) -- Bye, Bernd Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:49:49 +0300, Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It is supposed to be a replacement of the currenlty downloadable 3.5.30. With broken RegEx? No, thank you. -- Bye, Bernd Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
Hello All, The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available from: So far so good. -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.8.1, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2, SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a. Now did you know all male tennis players are witches, for example Goran, even he's a witch. pgppr4GPsLIea.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
Monday, July 25, 2005, 8:49:49 AM, (Internet Time - @617) you wrote: Hello Maxim, MM [-] (#0004977) Forwarding Filter does not work Confirmed Fixed. Thanks... -- Best regards, Michael mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 3.51.10 Windows XP Professional/5.1 Service Pack 2 (build 2600) on a Single/Athlon XP (Thoroughbred) Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
Hello all, Monday, July 25, 2005, Maxim Masiutin wrote: [-] (#0004978) Error No folders selected appears, when is folder maintenance of passw-protected account schedulled and account is protected fixed, thanks. [-] (#0004818) Configuration file TBUSER.DEF (TBUSER.EEF in OTFE) is not backuped by internal Maintenance Centre file is backuped, but somehow wrong, because my TBUSER.DEF has 27kB and when I restored it with other global settings in OTFE installation, it has 4096 B only! Btw when is configuration file with GUI changes restored, some warning about ne GUI configuration file and program GUI should be reloaded then like when changing language. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.51.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Add address submenu is working (was: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available)
Hello Maxim, [-] (#0004871) Add address submenu was not working Note in BT this morning, fixed this afternoon. Thats the way *aha-aha* I like it *aha-aha* -- Martin TB! 3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Add address submenu still has errors! (was: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available)
Hello Peter, MM [-] (#0004871) Add address submenu was not working there is at least one error left in this section. I have one AB entry (myself) with 9 addresses which is assigned to two groups. If I click on Add address for example on Stefans entry first (who has two addresses) and after that navigate to and click on my own entry, I see Stefans addresses poping up. (See attached file) Can you reproduce this? I made a special addressbook entry with nine adresses, and tried to reproduce your error, but no matter how I try all works fine. What actions do you perform exactly (quick search etc) to get this error? -- Disclaimer: Sorry for not being able to reproduce your error. Not wanting to say that it's impossible that this error really occurs on your computer. It might also well be possible that I am not having the same context here that you have, thus not seeing your error here even though I would if I had the same context. Please don't get me wrong: I'm saying this just because last time I tried to help someone on this list I got a verbal slap in the face just because I could not reproduce the error... Martin TB! 3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Filters
Hello Thomas Fernandez everyone else, on 25-Jul-2005 at 03:09 you (Thomas Fernandez) wrote: ASK IIRC, the message is a fixed object during the filtering stage. If both ASK filters move the message, you should have two copies in the two destination ASK folders (I haven't tried that however). No. The keyword for the filter here is move, not copy. The message is an object in computer-speak, don't know what a fixed object is. Neither do I, therefore the quotation marks. Filter 1 moves the object (message) to the spam folder, filter 2 moves it to the list folder. So it ends up in the list folder only, there are no two copies (unless you browse deleted messages, but we won't go into this). He would have two copies has he told the filters to copy instead of move the message. Ah OK, my mistake, I remembered the old discussion how a message can be moved twice from the inbox to another folder and again to another folder, so a move is not really a move until all filters are done... I mixed it up. ASK To avoid that, I've set up my filters for mailinglists as subfilters. How complicated. The more straight-forward solution is to *not* check continue processing None of my filters continues processing. It was just an example how to avoid Davids problem. The subfilter method is not complicated, on the contrary - the message doesn't have to go thru all the filters (for every mailinglist). If the parent condition isn't met, they're simply skipped. And I can collapse the list of all my mailinglist filters in the sorting office, which leaves a much better overview. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Time is the best teacher; unfortunately, it kills all its students. Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.51.10: the 'delete' nit is back
Hello Maxim, Actually it returned in 9, but I saw that .10 was out before I posted it, so wanted to make sure that it was still around. Tab from the folder view to the folder list window, the preview window is gray with 'no message selected' displayed there. Crtl-A will select and highlight all of the messages in the list window, but 'delete' will not delete the messages. Once a message is selected delete works as expected. -- Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.51.10 w/BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: last betas and regexp doesn't work right with special characters!
Hello Bernd Distler everyone else, on 25-Jul-2005 at 12:34 you (Bernd Distler) wrote: In the last few betas, the regexp-interpreter doesn't work right anymore. Ah. Thats the reaon why my replace äöüß in the subject QT isn't working anymore. Dang! @9val, Max or someone else: Please fix this as soon as possible! As above. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Equations are more important to me, because politics is for the present, but an equation is something for eternity. -- Albert Einstein Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Bug, Virtual Folder
Hello tbbeta, I dont use message preview. If I start TB!, select a virtual folder and select a message, open in full windows mode, that message is not the same than the one that I selected from the message list. If I refresh the virtual folder (Esc on the message list), then the bug disappears. Can anyone confirm this. -- Vili The Bat 3.51.7 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 1 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10: the 'delete' nit is back
Monday, July 25, 2005, 10:39:07 AM, (Internet Time - @693) you wrote: Hello MikeD, M3 Hello Maxim, M3 Actually it returned in 9, but I saw that .10 was out before I M3 posted it, so wanted to make sure that it was still around. M3 Tab from the folder view to the folder list window, the preview M3 window is gray with 'no message selected' displayed there. M3 Crtl-A will select and highlight all of the messages in the list M3 window, but 'delete' will not delete the messages. M3 Once a message is selected delete works as expected. Confirmed. I get the same thing that MikeD gets every time. But I didn't know where the cursor was. It was invisible until I hit the ALT-A then all the message were high lighted. But the Trash Can was grey'd out. -- Best regards, Michael mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 3.51.10 Windows XP Professional/5.1 Service Pack 2 (build 2600) on a Single/Athlon XP (Thoroughbred) Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, Virtual Folder
Hello Vili everyone else, on 25-Jul-2005 at 11:42 you (Vili) wrote: Can anyone confirm this. Not here. I disable the preview pane. I quit TB. I restart TB. I select a view select a message. The new windows opens with that message. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) It's unfortunate, but the way the American people are, now that they have developed all of this capability, instead of taking advantage of it, they'll probably just piss it all away. -- President Lyndon B. Johnson, speaking about project Apollo Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
Maxim, On 7/25/05, Maxim Masiutin wrote: It is supposed to be a replacement of the currenlty downloadable 3.5.30. With the MSIs for both 3.51.9 and 3.51.10, you have added the above line at the end. I appreciate the spirit of this remark (as reflected in my comments on the 3.51, Communications, and Ethics thread. But, unfortunately, as I said there, it seems to me that with 3.51, instead of closing the 3.5.xx series, you have actually embarked on a completely new series of beta tests. From the comments that I am seeing from testers - for example, With broken RegEx? No, thank you. - it does not seem to me that we are very close to getting an acceptable, stable release. My suggestion remains the same (as mentioned in the 3.51, Communications, and Ethics thread): Drop back to 3.5.36 and package something from there - before you started trying to resolve some additional charset issues - for distribution as your 3.51 release. Once you have something on your Web site that non-beta-testers can download, you can pick up again with this 3.51.xx series of beta tests. Just my humble (or not-so-humble) thoughts regarding Ritlabs' responsibility to satisfy not just its beta testers but also its wider customer base... -- jaywalker Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.36 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
CSAPI under non-admin rights (was: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available)
Hello, Maxim! Here is a short list of changes: Can I hope that this bug https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4771 will fixed? Many users ask me about it. -- Ivan The Bat! 3.51.9 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Plugins: rss2mail 1.3; Protocols: multiple POP3 on LAN/Dial-up Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Add address submenu still has errors! (was: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available)
Hello Peter, MS What actions do you perform exactly (quick search etc) to get this error? Nothing special. ctrl+n, click on 'address book' icon on the right, choose group (Selbst as shown in the image), choose my name, RMB. That's all. Looks like putting a contact in a group is the trigger: when I put my test-contact with 9 emails into a group (its the only member there), exit addressbook, open new message, click on select addressbook button in To: field, select the group there and right-click on the *name* column I don't get the Add Adress item. But when I right-click on the e-mail column, the Add Adress item is there. Still no addresses from other persons here, but I guess our two errors are related. -- Martin TB! 3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
of beta tests. From the comments that I am seeing from testers - for example, With broken RegEx? No, thank you. - it does not seem to me that we are very close to getting an acceptable, stable release. .30 had big problems and needs to be replaced. We are not looking for a perfect release but a good enough one to replace one that was not good enough. Sometime people don't have an idea of relative difficulty (or time required) of fixing one thing or another, I think. Regex is not a simple fix. I see lots of holes in the customizable interface. You can put redo on a toolbar, but it doesn't do anything. You can put Inset an Image on a toolbar but it won't even appear. These are functions that are not available in the default toolbars. They seem to me to be placeholders for new functions when they become available. But release of the next TB shouldn't be held back because of that. My suggestion remains the same (as mentioned in the 3.51, Communications, and Ethics thread): Drop back to 3.5.36 and package something from there - before you started trying to resolve some additional charset issues - for distribution as your 3.51 release. Once you have something on your Web site that non-beta-testers can download, you can pick up again with this 3.51.xx series of beta tests. I disagree. The past few betas have been much, much better in general use. For the first time in months, I can say that I am delighted to be able to use TB as my full time email client. My suggestion is to get 3.51.10 out there. A lot of people will be gratified. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which uses Cyrus. Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bug, Virtual Folder
Uhm ah where's my brane... on 25-Jul-2005 at 17:53 you (Alexander S. Kunz) wrote: I select a view Of course, yeah, I select a view... NOT. I select a VF. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:44:19 -0700, Gleason Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: of beta tests. From the comments that I am seeing from testers - for example, With broken RegEx? No, thank you. - it does not seem to me that we are very close to getting an acceptable, stable release. .30 had big problems and needs to be replaced. We are not looking for a perfect release but a good enough one to replace one that was not good enough. So why don't we get a bugfixed release? No, we get a lot of new betas with not/bad (i don't mean not bad!) working unicode-support and in following of this a not working RegEx which currently is useless for most of the people. Don't forget the bugs in the editor because of unicode... Don't forget the bugs which are older than 2 years... Bugs in new interface... I disagree. The past few betas have been much, much better in general use. For the first time in months, I can say that I am delighted to be able to use TB as my full time email client. My suggestion is to get 3.51.10 out there. A lot of people will be gratified. And a lot of people getting more and more angry about new bugs and not working things. Sorry, but 3.51.10 is definitly not a version that should be announced as an release. -- Bye, Bernd Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
On 7/25/05, Gleason Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of beta tests. From the comments that I am seeing from testers - for example, With broken RegEx? No, thank you. - it does not seem to me that we are very close to getting an acceptable, stable release. .30 had big problems and needs to be replaced. We are not looking for a perfect release but a good enough one to replace one that was not good enough. Gleason, that is - and was - also my point. And we thought that we were close to that achievement with 3.5.36. Then we got the 3.51 MSI and were off on another round of beta testing that has continued now up to 3.51.10... and still I hear people saying that there are showstoppers. Okay, I am not the best judge of this, but I suspect that for many the problem with RegEx could be every bit as annoying as the absence of BayesIt (in 3.5.30). But I don't know that - especially as I prefer to use 3.5.36 (which is adequate for my purpose) and will not - cannot afford to - test any of the 3.51 series until I feel comfortable that it is not going to distort the content of my email messages. Sometime people don't have an idea of relative difficulty (or time required) of fixing one thing or another, I think. Regex is not a simple fix. I see lots of holes in the customizable interface. You can put redo on a toolbar, but it doesn't do anything. You can put Inset an Image on a toolbar but it won't even appear. These are functions that are not available in the default toolbars. They seem to me to be placeholders for new functions when they become available. Again, Gleason, you seem to be saying exactly the same thing as I am saying. But release of the next TB shouldn't be held back because of that. Agreed. Again, the same thing as I was saying. But what do you do about the problem with RegEx (for example)? Just ignore it? My suggestion remains the same (as mentioned in the 3.51, Communications, and Ethics thread): Drop back to 3.5.36 and package something from there - before you started trying to resolve some additional charset issues - for distribution as your 3.51 release. Once you have something on your Web site that non-beta-testers can download, you can pick up again with this 3.51.xx series of beta tests. I disagree. The past few betas have been much, much better in general use. For the first time in months, I can say that I am delighted to be able to use TB as my full time email client. My suggestion is to get 3.51.10 out there. A lot of people will be gratified. Yes, but people might also be annoyed by the new problems that have been introduced. Why not give them a workable version of the 3.5.xx series that they can fall back to if they don't like 3.51.10? Not every TB user is a beta tester. -- jaywalker Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.36 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
On 7/25/05, Bernd Distler wrote: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:44:19 -0700, Gleason Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: So why don't we get a bugfixed release? No, we get a lot of new betas with not/bad (i don't mean not bad!) working unicode-support and in following of this a not working RegEx which currently is useless for most of the people. Thank you, Bernd, for confirming my own impression of this 3.51.xx beta series. Don't forget the bugs in the editor because of unicode... Personally, I cannot forget this. It has me very nervous about testing, what to speak of using, any of the 3.51 series. Don't forget the bugs which are older than 2 years... Bugs in new interface... Also true. I disagree. The past few betas have been much, much better in general use. For the first time in months, I can say that I am delighted to be able to use TB as my full time email client. My suggestion is to get 3.51.10 out there. A lot of people will be gratified. And a lot of people getting more and more angry about new bugs and not working things. I agree entirely. Sorry, but 3.51.10 is definitly not a version that should be announced as an release. As I do not use it, I cannot give an informed opinion. But my gut feeling - and past experience - inclines me to believe that Bernd is right. -- jaywalker Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.36 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10: the 'delete' nit is back
On Monday, July 25, 2005 @ 8:39:07 AM [-0700], MikeD (3) wrote: Actually it returned in 9, but I saw that .10 was out before I posted it, so wanted to make sure that it was still around. Is this specific to POP accounts? Tab from the folder view to the folder list window, the preview window is gray with 'no message selected' displayed there. I don't see this with my IMAP or POP accounts. Crtl-A will select and highlight all of the messages in the list window, but 'delete' will not delete the messages. Delete worked ok on my system. Once a message is selected delete works as expected. N/A -- Matt Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
Gleason, one thing more that I neglected to say... On 7/25/05, Gleason Pace wrote: I disagree. The past few betas have been much, much better in general use. For the first time in months, I can say that I am delighted to be able to use TB as my full time email client. My suggestion is to get 3.51.10 out there. A lot of people will be gratified. I am happy for you that you can once again use TB as your full-time email client. Really I am. But I think that with your words you are only confirming the astute observation of Goncalo on the 3.51, Communications, and Ethics thread regarding the distinction between beta testing and beta using. It is my opinion that beta testers - or at least those who guide a beta testing program - must never forget that beta testing is primarily in service of a wider community of product users. Unless all product users are also beta testers, this primary purpose of beta testing must not be sidelined by the personal interests of the beta testers (who also choose to be beta users). -- jaywalker Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.36 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
Hello all, Monday, July 25, 2005, Gleason Pace wrote: I see lots of holes in the customizable interface. You can put redo on a toolbar, but it doesn't do anything. in MicroEd? MicroEd doesn't support Redo, it is implemented in HTML editor only. You can put Inset an Image on a toolbar but it won't even appear. You have right, but I saw this for the first time, did You reported this here or in BT already? These are functions that are not available in the default toolbars. You want all functions in toolbars?? My suggestion remains the same (as mentioned in the 3.51, Communications, and Ethics thread): Drop back to 3.5.36 and package something from there - before you started trying to resolve some additional charset issues - for distribution as your 3.51 release. Once you have something on your Web site that non-beta-testers can download, you can pick up again with this 3.51.xx series of beta tests. I disagree. The past few betas have been much, much better in general use. For the first time in months, I can say that I am delighted to be able to use TB as my full time email client. My suggestion is to get 3.51.10 out there. A lot of people will be gratified. Agree, last builds are very good and except some remaining issues they are good for release. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.51.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
Hello all, Monday, July 25, 2005, Bernd Distler wrote: of beta tests. From the comments that I am seeing from testers - for example, With broken RegEx? No, thank you. - it does not seem to me that we are very close to getting an acceptable, stable release. .30 had big problems and needs to be replaced. We are not looking for a perfect release but a good enough one to replace one that was not good enough. So why don't we get a bugfixed release? because it will never be released. I know many apps including for example great czech filemanager Servant Salamander, it had last final version in June 2003, currectly we have 9th beta after two years of new version development and many users migrated to Total Commander and others because of this. No, we get a lot of new betas with not/bad (i don't mean not bad!) working unicode-support and in following of this a not working RegEx which currently is useless for most of the people. Don't forget the bugs in the editor because of unicode... Don't forget the bugs which are older than 2 years... Bugs in new interface... full unicode support was not promised for 3.51, this is major thing and 3.51 has many improvements in this area, but not all, they will come in next versions. I disagree. The past few betas have been much, much better in general use. For the first time in months, I can say that I am delighted to be able to use TB as my full time email client. My suggestion is to get 3.51.10 out there. A lot of people will be gratified. And a lot of people getting more and more angry about new bugs and not working things. for example? What is bigger issue for You? -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.51.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re:The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
Hi Maxim On 25 July 2005 at 16:49:49 +0300 (which was 14:49 where I live) Maxim Masiutin rearranged electrons to get ... http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_pro_3-51.msi But you can not choose any of the languages that you do / do not want. -- Thank you for your time, ___ David |David Elliott| Software Engineer| _| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID 0x650F4534 | | Notice how easily it detaches.--Ro| The Bat! 3.51.10 On Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition Build 3790 (Service Pack 1) pgpbGkrHVq5r6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[3]: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
On 7/25/05, Marek Mikus wrote: My suggestion remains the same (as mentioned in the 3.51, Communications, and Ethics thread): Drop back to 3.5.36 and package something from there - before you started trying to resolve some additional charset issues - for distribution as your 3.51 release. Once you have something on your Web site that non-beta-testers can download, you can pick up again with this 3.51.xx series of beta tests. I disagree. The past few betas have been much, much better in general use. For the first time in months, I can say that I am delighted to be able to use TB as my full time email client. My suggestion is to get 3.51.10 out there. A lot of people will be gratified. Agree, last builds are very good and except some remaining issues they are good for release. I am confused, Marek. When you say except for some remaining issues, are you saying that 3.51.10 should be released to the public or not? No one is arguing that the 3.51.xx beta series is unproductive. The question is only why such a prolonged series has begun when the 3.5.xx series ended on such a poor release - the 3.5.30 that is on the RL download page for over a month now. Of course, this is a moot point if you believe that 3.51.10 should take the place of 3.5.30 on the RL Web site. Is that what you want? -- jaywalker Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.36 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
About 3.51 release
Hello All, I know, that there are a lot of complaints about 3.51 beta serie. Now I'll describe some reasons why we release it. Let's start from history and look for the citate from my little roadmap: 8-- from WinClipboard Currently main directions of TB! development are: - IMAP - Unicode support - HTML editor improvements - Customization 8-- Let's look more detailed - IMAP and Unicode support need a lot of architectural changes. They are not possible to be finished in one beta serie. So... On the one way we have 3.5.30 available for download, on the other way we have a lot of time + possibility to make deep changes. 3.51 is more stable than 3.5.30 and releasing it will give us possibility to go further, we can't do anything now without making serious changes. It is just the foundation we need to continue work and have good enough version available for downloading. Most interesting question for you is perhaps why we don't make just bug-fix release? Quite simple - there will be a lot of changes in core, so there is no sence in double work in fixing bugs, after that change big parts of core and fix new bugs while previous fixes will be dropped with old code. I'm open for other questions ;-) -- 9Val Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[3]: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
On 7/25/05, Marek Mikus wrote: My suggestion remains the same (as mentioned in the 3.51, Communications, and Ethics thread): Drop back to 3.5.36 and package something from there - before you started trying to resolve some additional charset issues - for distribution as your 3.51 release. Once you have something on your Web site that non-beta-testers can download, you can pick up again with this 3.51.xx series of beta tests. I disagree. The past few betas have been much, much better in general use. For the first time in months, I can say that I am delighted to be able to use TB as my full time email client. My suggestion is to get 3.51.10 out there. A lot of people will be gratified. Agree, last builds are very good and except some remaining issues they are good for release. I am confused, Marek. When you say except for some remaining issues, are you saying that 3.51.10 should be released to the public or not? No one is arguing that the 3.51.xx beta series is unproductive. The question is only why such a prolonged series has begun when the 3.5.xx series ended on such a poor release - the 3.5.30 that is on the RL download page for over a month now. Of course, this is a moot point if you believe that 3.51.10 should take the place of 3.5.30 on the RL Web site. Is that what you want? -- jaywalker Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.36 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About 3.51 release
Hello 9Val! On Monday, July 25, 2005, 2:12 PM, you wrote: I know, that there are a lot of complaints about 3.51 beta serie. Now I'll describe some reasons why we release it. 9Val, I am confused. I went to the public release page and found it there, and I have downloaded it. But nowhere can I find whether it is the 3.51.10 which I am now running, or whether it is that first 3.51 (3.5.36 in an .msi wrap). I like 3.51.10 okay. So, what exactly is the 3.51 version which is now on the public download page-- I don't like to proceed to installing it, while I feel in the dark about what I'm doing! Help? Please? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About 3.51 release
Thanks for the clarification, 9Val. Please see below for my perspective. On 7/25/05, 9Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's look more detailed - IMAP and Unicode support need a lot of architectural changes. They are not possible to be finished in one beta serie. So... On the one way we have 3.5.30 available for download, on the other way we have a lot of time + possibility to make deep changes. 3.51 is more stable than 3.5.30 and releasing it will give us possibility to go further, we can't do anything now without making serious changes. It is just the foundation we need to continue work and have good enough version available for downloading. I understand this. But what is not clear to me is why we went from 3.5.30 to 3.5.36 and then jumped to 3.51 without ever seeming to complete the 3.5.xx series. For example, I don't understand why 3.5.30 is available for download and not 3.5.36 or 3.5.37. Most interesting question for you is perhaps why we don't make just bug-fix release? Quite simple - there will be a lot of changes in core, so there is no sence in double work in fixing bugs, after that change big parts of core and fix new bugs while previous fixes will be dropped with old code. That makes sense to some extent. But, to my thinking, it is not entirely user-friendly. Over the extended period of time that RL will be making these big changes, many TB users will probably prefer to stick with a safe and stable version - one that has all of the components that they need and most of the components that they want. For example, I would guess that many TB users will prefer not to risk having their content distorted by an incomplete implementation of unicode (and I myself am alarmed by such a prospect). My guess is that 3.5.30 simply does not meet the requirements of many such TB users, if only because it lacks BayesIt support. -- jaywalker Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.36 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: TB Beta Process
Hi Greg, I did as suggested and installed the latest beta: 1 AV per https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4923 This appears to be resolved, however before posting in BTS I'm going to leave it running for a few days because I believe the issue may be related to the time TB is running. 2 auto reply per https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4934 This is still an issue and I would appreciate someone who uses exchange to confirm. -- Warmest regards, Paul Created using TheBat! 3.5.30 on Windows XP Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About 3.51 release
On 7/25/05, 9Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know, that there are a lot of complaints about 3.51 beta serie. Now I'll describe some reasons why we release it. Sorry, 9Val, I did not realize that you had already made a public release of 3.51 when you wrote this. I thought that you were talking about the beta series. Out of curiosity, what process did RL use to determine that you had received the approval from this body of beta testers for releasing 3.51? I don't say that I ever considered this to be a reasonable policy. I only ask because RL announced it as their policy, and I would like to know how the policy works in practice. -- jaywalker Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.36 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
Hello Wayne (replying to myself), On Monday, July 25, 2005, at 2:36:59 PM, you wrote re: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available: WH For me, the biggest issues are that: 1) TB will no longer delete WH messages off the server. I am using Outlook Express to do this WH every few days and 2) I can no longer delete/purge messages either WH via the Maintenance utility or upon exit from TB. By installing the new .msi, TB now will delete message older than a certain number of days off the server. The maintenance utility is now deleting some messages (14). However, I have it set to keep messages newer than 30 days, but there are many that were kept as far back as May 1st (received and created May 1st). Clearly, by installing a new .msi, something was reset. Reinstalling the previous public release did not help. However, I am still left with one problem: why won't it purge since the correct number of days. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.10 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About 3.51 release
Hello Mary, MB So, what exactly is the 3.51 version which is now on the public MB download page-- I don't like to proceed to installing it, while I feel MB in the dark about what I'm doing! The latest version - 3.51.10 -- 9Val Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About 3.51 release
Hello Jay, On Monday, July 25, 2005, at 3:39:53 PM, you wrote re: About 3.51 release: JW Out of curiosity, what process did RL use to determine that you had JW received the approval from this body of beta testers for releasing JW 3.51? I don't say that I ever considered this to be a reasonable JW policy. I only ask because RL announced it as their policy, and I JW would like to know how the policy works in practice. The overall policy perplexes me as well. Why would only some betas be placed on the beta page while others are not? 3.51.7, 3.51.9 and 3.51.10 were not. I have never understood the naming scheme. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.10 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About 3.51 release
Hello 9Val! On Monday, July 25, 2005, 2:45 PM, you wrote: MB So, what exactly is the 3.51 version which is now on the public MB download page-- I don't like to proceed to installing it, while I feel MB in the dark about what I'm doing! The latest version - 3.51.10 I like 3.51.10. Glad that's what you did! Thanks for the quick reply, too! :thankyou: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51.10: the 'delete' nit is back
Hello Matt, Monday, July 25, 2005, 1:04:18 PM, you wrote: MT On Monday, July 25, 2005 @ 8:39:07 AM [-0700], MikeD (3) wrote: Actually it returned in 9, but I saw that .10 was out before I posted it, so wanted to make sure that it was still around. MT Is this specific to POP accounts? I don't know if it is POP specific since I don't have IMAP to test with. Tab from the folder view to the folder list window, the preview window is gray with 'no message selected' displayed there. MT I don't see this with my IMAP or POP accounts. You cannot always get to this state. It is most common for a folder that was empty the last time you were in the folder so that there is no last message to point to. But even when that has been the case, sometimes TB will select a message when you tab over to the message list. Crtl-A will select and highlight all of the messages in the list window, but 'delete' will not delete the messages. MT Delete worked ok on my system. If you have a message selected (i.e. you can see it displayed in the preview window) delete will work fine. It is only when no message is selected (the preview window is grayed and says no message loaded) that this problem manifests. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
Hello Maxim, Monday, July 25, 2005, 3:49:49 PM, you wrote: The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_home_3-51.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_pro_3-51.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack.msi 404 - HTTP not found -- Best regards, Martin TheBat! 3.51.9 Pro on Windows 98 4 10 A Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
I finally figured it out (was The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available)
Hello Wayne, On Monday, July 25, 2005, at 3:43:17 PM, you wrote re: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available: WH By installing the new .msi, TB now will delete message older than a WH certain number of days off the server. WH The maintenance utility is now deleting some messages (14). However, I WH have it set to keep messages newer than 30 days, but there are many WH that were kept as far back as May 1st (received and created May 1st). WH Clearly, by installing a new .msi, something was reset. Reinstalling WH the previous public release did not help. However, I am still left WH with one problem: why won't it purge since the correct number of days. Both problems now seem to be fully resolved! I was missing the setting on the Account properties Mail Management deletion setting called purge undread messages! The combination of installing the .msi and changing this setting fixed the two main problems I was having!!! Yeh! -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.10 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About 3.51 release
Hello Jay, JW Out of curiosity, what process did RL use to determine that you had JW received the approval from this body of beta testers for releasing JW 3.51? There are no show-stoppers reported after last beta release JW I don't say that I ever considered this to be a reasonable JW policy. I only ask because RL announced it as their policy, and I JW would like to know how the policy works in practice. This policy doesn't mean, that official release will be published only after beta-testers will approve it - it will take ages. We should balance on the edge between your approval and our needs. Now we can't wait more - 3 developers are staying and waiting for serious changes while all possible fixes are done, others will take weeks. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.51.10 not available
Hi list http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_home_3-51.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_pro_3-51.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack.msi I am getting 404 - HTTP not found -- Best regards, Martin TheBat! 3.51.9 Pro on Windows 98 4 10 A Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: I finally figured it out (was The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available)
Hello Wayne! On Monday, July 25, 2005, 3:00 PM, you wrote: The combination of installing the .msi and changing this setting fixed the two main problems I was having!!! Yeh! I am really, really rejoiced for you! Thanks for the great info in this post! :thankyou: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About 3.51 release
Hello Jay, JW I understand this. But what is not clear to me is why we went from JW 3.5.30 to 3.5.36 and then jumped to 3.51 without ever seeming to JW complete the 3.5.xx series. Actually 3.51 is the same serie, it just uses new numbering system. I don't think it will be changed soon. JW That makes sense to some extent. But, to my thinking, it is not JW entirely user-friendly. Over the extended period of time that RL will JW be making these big changes, We'll avoid situation like with 3.5 which was prepared 6 months. JW many TB users will probably prefer to JW stick with a safe and stable version - one that has all of the JW components that they need and most of the components that they want. 3.51 is more stable than 3.5.30 and has the same components. If you are refering to 3.0.2.10 - it is your choice to use it or any other version. In some aspects 3.5 is far superior than older versions, while in some it really lacks maturity (in example, customizer interface). So the choice which version to use fully depends of your needs. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About 3.51 release
On Monday, July 25, 2005 at 3:14:42 PM [GMT -0500], 9val wrote: In some aspects 3.5 is far superior than older versions, With regards to IMAP it certainly is. -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.51.10 System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name -=-=- Happiness isn't getting what you want, it's wanting what you got Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: I finally figured it out (was The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available)
Hello Mary, On Monday, July 25, 2005, at 4:09:56 PM, you wrote re: I finally figured it out (was The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available): MB I am really, really rejoiced for you! Thanks for the great info in MB this post! :thankyou: A big thank you to you and all who helped me with this!!! :) -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.10 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
Marek, I see lots of holes in the customizable interface. You can put redo on a toolbar, but it doesn't do anything. in MicroEd? MicroEd doesn't support Redo, it is implemented in HTML editor only. And MicroEd is an externally supplied component. Actually I would prefer the html editor but it insists on adding an extra line between quoted text. The extra line is barely noticeable in TB's html editor. But as you message back and forth with somebody quoting text each time, the quoted lines move further apart, especially on the other end. You can put Inset an Image on a toolbar but it won't even appear. You have right, but I saw this for the first time, did You reported this here or in BT already? Have not reported it in BT. These are functions that are not available in the default toolbars. You want all functions in toolbars?? No, I was simply thinking that the ones not available in default toolbars are likely to not be done yet. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which uses Cyrus. Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About 3.51 release
On 7/25/05, 9Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JW many TB users will probably prefer to JW stick with a safe and stable version - one that has all of the JW components that they need and most of the components that they want. 3.51 is more stable than 3.5.30 and has the same components. If you are refering to 3.0.2.10 - it is your choice to use it or any other version. In some aspects 3.5 is far superior than older versions, while in some it really lacks maturity (in example, customizer interface). So the choice which version to use fully depends of your needs. Actually, 3.5.36 works better with Gmail than 3.0.2.10. But I am not talking about my options as a beta tester but rather the options of the general TB user. When I look at the TB download page, I see an option to download 3.51, 2.12, and 1.62. I don't see an option to download 3.0.2.10 or even 3.5.30. So these options that you talk about 9Val are more for the beta testers than the TB users. But, personally, two things are of most interest to me in respect to 3.51: o Can I rely on MicroEd to not distort the text of my email messages? o Will it give me an OTFE implementation that I can use (i.e. that will search my message base without hanging and also preserve my settings while migrating)? I cannot even consider using 3.51 unless I know that 3.51 will not do something unexpected to the text that I am writing. And, while I might use 3.51 if the content is preserved accurately, I won't feel satisfied with the release if I cannot use OTFE because of the search problem or if migrating to OTFE becomes a very painful process due to loss of settings. 9Val, can you please clarify the situation with 3.51 in respect to the above two questions. -- jaywalker Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.5.36 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
Martin Schoch wrotes on 26/07/2005 at 07:00:11 +1100 subject The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available : Hello Maxim, Monday, July 25, 2005, 3:49:49 PM, you wrote: The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_home_3-51.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_pro_3-51.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack.msi 404 - HTTP not found Same here maybe this version is already available as main download for everybody? BTW: is this really the 3.51.9 as Maxim wrote, or it is the 3.51.10 as discussed later in this list and mentioned in the subject line? -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber-IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 215599852 - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] - YIM moimeme666fr - AIM moimeme666fr TheBat! 3.51.9 and Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.3 on Windows 2000 ___ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
Hello all, Monday, July 25, 2005, Hendrik Oesterlin wrote: The Bat! 3.51.9 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_home_3-51.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_pro_3-51.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack.msi 404 - HTTP not found Same here maybe this version is already available as main download for everybody? BTW: is this really the 3.51.9 as Maxim wrote, or it is the 3.51.10 as discussed later in this list and mentioned in the subject line? it is 3.51.10 and files were moved to location for releases: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-51.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_home_3-51.msi -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.51.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP: Progress bar in Preview pane no longer works
Hi all, I've noticed that the progress bar that normally appears while large messages or attachments are being downloaded is now gone. That's one of the few pieces of feedback in IMAP that is now gone too. :((( -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.51.10 System Specs: http://specs.aimlink.name -=-=- Even in this corner of the galaxy, Captain, 2+2=4 ... Spock Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About 3.51 release and IMAP
Hi -=Curtis=-, --On Monday, July 25, 2005 3:24 PM -0500 you wrote in part: In some aspects 3.5 is far superior than older versions, With regards to IMAP it certainly is. I still cannot use it for IMAP. Most messages will not load, and I don't have time to either compress or click to another folder and back again, every time this happens to read mail, which is every 3rd or 4th email in my INBOX, only to have it happen over and over again. It is still unusable for me. What used to take me 10-15 minutest to go through email in the morning, now takes over an hour, and is unacceptable for my use. :) -- Gary Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 not available
lunes, 25 jul 2005 at 22:05, it seems you wrote:
I am getting
404 - HTTP not found
Try here:
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php
3.51.10 it's the actual stable version
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Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
lunes, 25 jul 2005 at 22:00, it seems you wrote:
404 - HTTP not found
It's is released as a stable version. Go to
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php
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Re: About 3.51 release
Hello 9Val, 9Val wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): 3 developers are staying and waiting for serious changes while all possible fixes are done, others will take weeks. So none bug of BugList can be fixed without serious changes? Why didn't you say anything - you might have kept friends. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About 3.51 release
Hello 9Val, 9Val wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Actually 3.51 is the same serie, it just uses new numbering system. I'm sure you said already something about numbering system but could you or somebody else please explain again (or send mid) how the new nubering system should be work? Oh, and if it really works that way: x.xx.x then I'm very disappoint and curious why you didn't chose x.xx.xx (and don't say that there are less zero's in Moldova). -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available
Hello Marek, Marek Mikus wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): So why don't we get a bugfixed release? because it will never be released. Ok, then fix only 100 bugs, release it and fix the next 100 bugs ... full unicode support was not promised for 3.51, Makes it even worse - because that not promised unicode support present lots of small bugs - even not using unicode. -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
OT: Sarcasm and irony (Was: Re: About 3.51 release)
Hello Peter, Peter Hampf wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): Why didn't you say anything - you might have kept friends. What is your sarcasm for? Where are your irony tags? -- Regards, Boris Anders, http://www.batboard.de Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
RARed betas reset Menu shortcuts
Hello tbbeta, I noticed a few weeks ago that when I install a RAR archived beta and run it, that it puts my customized Menu shortcuts back to default. Anyone else notice this? In my setup, I have changed my Tools, Send and Check for All to F9 so that it is consistent with the Outlook shortcut. Note: First, I had to change the View, Source menu it since it uses F9 by defualt. -- Cheers! Wayne Howard Using The Bat! version: 3.51.10 Directory Opus 8: The Explorer replacement and File Management solution for Windows See the tutorial: Getting to know Directory Opus: www.pretentiousname.com/opus/index.html#introduction Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: RARed betas reset Menu shortcuts
Hello Wayne! On Monday, July 25, 2005, 4:54 PM, you wrote: I noticed a few weeks ago that when I install a RAR archived beta and run it, that it puts my customized Menu shortcuts back to default. Anyone else notice this? Yes, it was from tbuser.def not being conserved. Was reported and then listed as fixed in 3.51.10. mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Note: Maxim wrote in the body of this message 3.51.9 but obviously he mis-typed. This is the announcement of 3.51.10, where the problem you refer to is fixed. It's nothing to do with the previous versions being in rar form. Just a bug, and was fixed. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: About 3.51 release
Hello 9Val everyone else, on 25-Jul-2005 at 21:12 you (9Val) wrote: I know, that there are a lot of complaints about 3.51 beta serie. Now I'll describe some reasons why we release it. I understand the pro release it now arguments. However, if I make this suggestion, maybe it would be a good idea to give that background information on the download page as well. And, since some users benefit from the changes in 3.50 and 3.51, while others find the problems of work in progress less attractive, wouldn't it be possible to offer all three of the v3 versions on the download page? I mean 3.0.1.33 and 3.5.0.(whatever the last version with the customisable GUI was, before you started the changes for unicode support) and the current 3.51. That way, the users can choose which version suits them best. Offering all three versions maybe would show the commitment to stability, while not sacrificing the benefit of the progress that has been made in the meantime. Just an idea. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. - Bokonon Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
