Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
On Thursday, October 12, 2006, 10:01:31 PM, Bob Riley on TBBETA wrote: Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 1:53:13 PM, Maxim wrote: Hello Tbbeta, It should fix the problems with OTFE of previous beta, and should work faster than before. But this ALPHA is not yet well tested, please use it with caution and let us know immediately of any problems that may ocur. I believe it is faster also. Congratulations to The Bat! Development Team. The Alpha does certainly seem to be faster... Faster even than the last release copy IMHO. Every time I see that ALPHA (beta) though I think of the movie Airplane 2 with the shuttle and Alpha Beta Base commanded by William Shatner. -- David Cá fhad é ó an tús go deireadh? Turas mór. Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
On Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 5:56:53 PM, Maxim Masiutin on TBBETA wrote: Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 12:30:28 AM, you wrote: HMdB But when I tried to insert a smiley with the Insert Smiley button I got HMdB messages Canvas does not allow drawing. HMdB The program did not freeze but had to close several windows with this HMdB message before I was able to close the composition window. Oops, that's one that I am *_not_* going to test! (Far too much problems with that one in the past) Do you mean that the problems with canvas did also exist in previous versions of The Bat!? :)) The Insert Smiley button seems to be working for me. -- David Cá fhad é ó an tús go deireadh? Turas mór Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
On Thursday, October 12, 2006, 12:53:59 PM, Gary on TBBETA wrote: On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:38:48 -0400 UTC (10/12/2006, 11:38 AM -0500 UTC my time), Gleason Pace wrote: G TB's Imap is looking very good these days. :yes: Not as long as it will not accept SSL certificates that I tell it too. TB! is totally unusable to me currently. Really? I'm having no problems using TB! with IMAP and SSL. -- David Cá fhad é ó an tús go deireadh? Turas mór Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA
On Thursday, October 12, 2006, 1:21:56 PM, Gary on TBBETA wrote: On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:04:51 -0400 UTC (10/12/2006, 12:04 PM -0500 UTC my time), David Calvarese wrote: Not as long as it will not accept SSL certificates that I tell it too. TB! is totally unusable to me currently. D Really? I'm having no problems using TB! with IMAP and SSL. I reported this earlier, 3-4 weeks ago. I have a remote server that only accepts SSL connection... the SSL cert has just expired... The cert is in my root TB! chain, has been for years. TB! will not allow me in, even though I (or anyone) must authenticate. That IMAP server does not allow port 143, regular connection, just dedicated SSL IMAP on port 993. Since the cert has been good for two years, just recently expired, TB! has decided it will not allow the connection... Every other IMAP client on the planet allows me to connect except TB! I do not like it when an email client tells me what it will or will not accept in an SSL connection, not putting that decision in the user's hands. It seems to forget that I must authenticate anyway. Since I cannot connect to this IMAP server, I cannot use TB! The address book, trusted CA should not dictate whether to accept the connection just because the cert is out of date. That is my decision. That is certainly odd... Sounds like a bug to me. -- David Cá fhad é ó an tús go deireadh? Turas mór Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
The Final Cut wrote: Hello On Sunday, February 27, 2005, at 5:03:35 PM You wrote: The reason other players have good HTML support is that these other player also write browsers. They implement their browser into their e-mail product. Do I have anything against TB writing their own browser... Nope. Would I rather they spend the time making TB a better and more solid product for *e-mail*. Definitely. Pocomail, incredimail, eurora, Express plus are all email clients that their programmers don't code browsers they all have great html supports too! Incredimail at least DOES call the IE engine.. I don't believe Poco does though. Not really sure about the other two. Anyway, we were asked to drop the topic, so I think we should, or at least move to TBot. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Tony Boom wrote: Hello David, A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on: 28 February 2005 at 01:23:50 GMT +0100 DC Actually what we had talked about was a check box to completely disable DC or enable that button, for those that want to turn the remote download DC feature completely off. Two buttons? One button would be enough. A message comes through that you want the images for, click the button. Next message you don't want to see the images, don't click the button. I see no reason to have a another button that turns a button on and off, you may as well leave it as it is and double click the html attachment, it'll be less effort. No, not a second button. A check box in your global prefs (or maybe even one on the account level) that totally disables the feature. For when kids are using TB! and may not show proper judgement in viewing remote images. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Tony Boom wrote: DC IMAP is really great if you need to access your mail on multiple DC computers. It's like having 'webmail' features through your email DC client. Multiple folders and everything stored on the remote server. OK, OK, don't rub it in, I'm envious enough :) Not too envious to use Thunderbird though! I use Fastmail for IMAP... They do IMAP Webmail. Best of both worlds. (They also do POP at the higher account levels). -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Goncalo Farias wrote: It's really easy then. They could provide us users a way to choose between the HTML internal engine or the IE engine. That way, everyone would be happy! :) Err, Wouldn't using the IE Engine be a big security hole? Gecko (From Firefox/Mozilla) would be a better idea. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Tony Boom wrote: Hello Leif, Also the reason I bowed out of the discussion. I want a bug free Bat before they make any new additions, they want html right now and Sod everyone else. I don't think any of us said it had to be 'right now' And as I've said before, I agree that bug fixes should come first. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Leif Gregory wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 13:15:41 [GMT -0500] (which was 11:15 AM where I live) you wrote: DC Err, Wouldn't using the IE Engine be a big security hole? Gecko DC (From Firefox/Mozilla) would be a better idea. Immensely accurate observation. None of us that want better HTML support and Remote Image support want it to be just slapped in. We expect RIT to do it in such a way that it isn't a security hole. Whether by limiting what tags are allowed, blocking Java/Javascript/ActiveX, or some other means. Or possibly, and preferably, all of the above. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: moving folders
Cees wrote: But seriously: I keep running into things... like, I just changed one account to IMAP. My choice, but... I wanted to change the folder-order. That USED to be possible with the combination of ALT+left mouse button, and then drag but now: nothing happens! I'm using Tbird at the moment because of the IMAP stuff... Though I suppose I'll reinstall TB and give it's IMAP another shot... Got something I want to try with GnuPG with it anyway. Just like so many other keycombo's don't work no more. Which I find quite annoying to be honest. Any thoughts on this matter? Not sure, might be because you're using the Alpha build... Speaking of keys not working, my Ctrl-F isn't working in Firefox at the moment either... . -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Tony Boom wrote: Hello David, A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:02:53 GMT +0100 DC I don't think any of us said it had to be 'right now' And as I've said DC before, I agree that bug fixes should come first. I know, and you are right, html should be available for those that want it. But can you see my point? Those of us that don't want it will be left with an unsupported version full of bugs. Fix all the bugs first, then implement html and at least the people who don't want the update will have at least a fully working client, including IMAP of course. Oh, I agree 100%. I certainly want better IMAP support and for some fixes to be made to the GnuPG (not PGP) support. Those have to happen before I can switch back, regardless of HTML support... If they do HTML first, I'll still be using Tbird till they get the IMAP/GnuPG stuff done. :) -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Tony Boom wrote: How about a button on the header pane that works on a per message basis. It only appears if the message is html and requires images to be downloaded. You click it, the pretty pictures appear and then it defaults to off for the next message? Actually what we had talked about was a check box to completely disable or enable that button, for those that want to turn the remote download feature completely off. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Tony Boom wrote: Not too long ago my host implemented IMAP. I've never used it before but would like to see what all the fuss is about. Trouble is if I try it with a half working IMAP client I'm afraid it'll put me off of it for life. IMAP is really great if you need to access your mail on multiple computers. It's like having 'webmail' features through your email client. Multiple folders and everything stored on the remote server. Well you know me and PGP, we have never got along. I'm using version 6.5.8 that Marck gave me years ago, it's working and I'm not changing it, even though I don't use it much. You using Imad's version of PGP 6.5.8 by any chance? -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Tony Boom wrote: Hello Allie, A Of course, if someone were to tell you that templates are for the A lazy, you'd say they didn't know what they were talking about, A wouldn't you? OK, I concede defeat, go ahead, Incredibat here we come :) None of us want anything like that Tony. Really. Incredimail is really 2 lies in one. It's neither Inredible or Email (at least not as Email should be). All we want is the option to be able to view it correctly withough having to use a web browser, thus letting us reply to it if we need/want to. -- Dave Calvarese PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Paul Van Noord wrote: I have never been challenged to reply to an HTML message. What is the problem? Unfortunately, I have at work. We have one vender that forces us to use HTML Email forms. Pain in the ass in my opinion, and it means we have to use a client that's capable of handling them without launching a web browser. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
NetVicious wrote: The perfect option will be a button or something to load the images of the current mail. And this should be made manually every time. That's what I suggested originally... And that works fine for me. (It's also the default way of operating in Thunderbird). -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Mary Bull wrote: The perfect option will be a button or something to load the images of the current mail. And this should be made manually every time. That's what I suggested originally... And that works fine for me. (It's also the default way of operating in Thunderbird). I would have no problem with that, provided it was not the default in TB! That way I could ignore the option, since I don't need it. Exactly! If you don't need the button, don't use it. :) And those who do need it could configure the button to be active. Umm, no. I'd prefer if the button stay off with no option to force it on. That way, if you want to view the HTML/remote Images you have to click the button for each and every message. Especially since each message is different and you probably don't want it set to ON. :) Are we getting close to consensus here? If so, please meet me on TBOT for some more savory pecan recipes. :) I really need to get some pecans and try that. :) -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Mary Bull wrote: Umm, no. I'd prefer if the button stay off with no option to force it on. That way, if you want to view the HTML/remote Images you have to click the button for each and every message. Especially since each message is different and you probably don't want it set to ON. :) Yes. This is what I want, also. Except, on the first download of a TB! version, I want the button to be in an Inactive mode, responding neither to OFF nor to ON. I would like, at the time of Install, to be asked whether I want that button to work or not. Would you have an objection to that? That would be fine with me. Even just a checkbox in the prefs to enable/disable the button's fuctionality and include/remove it from the toolbar would be fine with me. In fact, it's a very good idea to make it inactive completely unless someone wants to make it active. The same goes for the whitelisting that was talked about. Even TBird includes an option to disable the ability to whitelist people in the address book. So no, I would have no objections to being able to turn the fuction completely off. It's a very good idea in fact. I wouldn't have expected them to include the ability without a way to disable it too. Are we getting close to consensus here? If so, please meet me on TBOT for some more savory pecan recipes. :) I really need to get some pecans and try that. :) Bless you! Have you had time to do the sweet ones yet? Not yet, haven't gotten my hands on any pecans to try any of the recipes yet. I'm trying to wait till I can get a big bag in bulk someplace as most of what's readily available is the Planters kind. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Tony Boom wrote: GF They want an enhanced version with what other clients have best, you GF seem to want a client tailored to your personal needs and tastes! Er no, I want The Bat as it is with all the bugs ironed out before any completely new untested extras are added. I won't disagree with you there, the existing bugs and problems should be fixed before they add remote image support. I'd certainly want to see flawless IMAP support and better support for GnuPG (Along the lines of what Enigmail has) before messing with HTML. But I DO think we should get the HTML support after the bugs are fixed. Even without full HTML support, when the GnuPG and IMAP problems get fixed I'll be switching back to TB! from TBird. Those are my two main problems. HTML, in my personal email, would be a plus but I can get around it. Since I use an IMAP email service, I can just load that message up in the web interface (Yay Fastmail!) if I need to reply in HTML for the moment. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Paul Van Noord wrote: On 2/25/2005 The Final Cut wrote: TFC 3. peers? show me some and your sources Eudora, OE, Outlook, etc. Eudora MAYBE. Remotely. OE and Outlook no way! -- Dave Calvarese PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-dh.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Paul Van Noord wrote: On 2/25/2005 Richard Wakeford wrote: A 1600x1200 picture reduced to 320x240 for viewing in a newsletter will look worse than the same picture taken at 640x480. Why waste the resources for an inferior product? Then go buy a sub 1 MP camera. I prefer to take better quality pictures, so I have them to print out. -- Dave Calvarese PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Dave Gorman wrote: Paul Van Noord wrote: We're simply talking about building software that will allow the end user options as to how best the software can suit his/her needs. We're talking about letting the end user have the control, instead of the software manufacturer taking on a Microsoft-like We know what is best for you attitude. Perhaps a warning when when you click on it about the dangers... Even TBird is capable of sanatizing HTML before displaying it. Other email clients display proper HTML and Images if you ask them too, yet they still manage to keep you safe as well. I don't see why TB! can't do it too. Someone on this list called Pocomail a 'child's toy', but it's a child's toy that has basic functionality that TB! is currently lacking. Both the HTML/Image issue as well as (IIRC) proper IMAP support. -- Dave Calvarese PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Paul Van Noord wrote: 2/25/2005 2:25 PM Hi David, Conversely, POCO is missing much of TB's functionality and has had perpetual stability issues. I can't recall ever having a stability problem with Poco. Yes, Poco might be missing a lot of the advanced features... But it at least has all the basics. I won't get into Pocoscript. :) -- Dave Calvarese PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Tony Boom wrote: And the reason TB is lacking it is because it's taken us years of campaigning to keep it that way. I don't see why your so adamant to get full html support. You keep comparing TB to all these other email clients, if they're that good and do what you want then use one of them. Incredimail does html pretty well, it's crap at everything else but it'll do what your asking. Because most of the other clients are crappy otherwise. :) And at the moment, I AM using Thunderbird and not TB!. Because TB! has at least 1 problem with GnuPG that I can't get around. -- Dave Calvarese PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Tony Boom wrote: If TB! doesn't do what they want it to do and Poco or Thunderbird does then use that and join the relevant list and you can send html all day long without anyone moaning! Never said I wanted to send HTML email, I'm quite happy with text. I just want to be able to read it right when I choose to. I get a few newsletters that are not available as text only and that TB! just horribly mangled. -- Dave Calvarese PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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DC Because TB! has at least 1 problem with GnuPG that I can't get around. No, it doesn't, you may have a problem but you can get around it. It won't let you select multiple keys to encrypt to with GnuPG. There are ways around it, setting up groups in the gpg.conf file, or using a 3rd party utility like GPGShell to do it, but I shouldn't have to. -- Dave Calvarese PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Tony Boom wrote: Sorry David and that other chap with the illegal copy of TB! but for the sake of a few mouse clicks to get exactly what you want I don't see the point in ruining a perfectly good email program. Oh, I don't mind the double click all that much, it'd be annoying if I had a lot of them though. Though having to open them in a browser might make things interesting if I had to reply to an HTML that I had to read that way. How will adding features to it ruin TB!? I'm not saying to have it on by default or anything, but a simple button that says 'Display Remote images' wouldn't hurt. None of us are saying that TB! should do it OE's way and just display them. We just want the option to be able to click a button and have it display them if we want it too. And possibly being able to tag an address in the address book to 'Display Remote Images' or even 'Trust HTML email from people in your address book', though both of those have dangers to them. -- Dave Calvarese PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Tony Boom wrote: DC but I shouldn't have to. Why? If you need a tool to do a job then why shouldn't you use it if it does what you want it to do? I have a vacuum cleaner that cleans the carpet but I still have to push it up and down... But I shouldn't have to should I? They make Vacum cleaners that are self-propelled that you don't have to push. They also advertise themselves as 'Self Propelled'. Same with lawn mowers. TB! advertises that it has GnuPG support so it should support it. At least as good as it does PGP I think. Unlike the HTML/Image debate, this is just wanting functionality that is already advertised as supported. Same thing with the faulty IMAP support. If TB! would get it's act together with those two things, I'd gladly switch back from Thunderbird. -- Dave Calvarese PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Tony Boom wrote: Hello David, Plug their self in, recharge themselves, cut the grass, hoover the carpet and then empty their selves as well do they? Wow! need to get me one of those :) Funny you should mention that, there are both Vacums and lawn mowers that do that... DC If TB! would get it's act together with those two things, I'd gladly DC switch back from Thunderbird So for the sake of those two very minor details your forsaking all the rest of TB's undisputed power and functionality? That's like winning a brand new car and then going everywhere by bus because you don't like the colour. When IMAP is something you need, you have no choice. Or to use your analogy, perhaps the roads where you need to go are restricted to Bus travel. Each to his own I suppose... Must go now, I've been asked to move out the way for a minute by the vacuum cleaner :) Be sure to change it's filter for it. :) -- Dave Calvarese PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Double PGP sig
Peter Meyns wrote: Hi all, on Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:18:20 +0100GMT, I wrote a message that was signed twice. I don't know why this occurred. Maybe I should stick to GnuPG, but the newer versions don't work from within TB!... 1.41rc2 works in TB! -- Dave Calvarese PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-dh.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Quiet?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Hello David Calvarese everyone else, on 23-Feb-2005 at 00:33 you (David Calvarese) wrote: and the GnuPG support via Enigmail is better than the PGP support in TB! as well Then why's your message signed inline and not PGP/MIME? :-) Because I prefer inline signing over PGP/MIME. :) Enigmail can do PGP/MIME as well. Dave -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1rc1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCHL7lSlxKVhydU2ARA5pUAJ0QgAvbImLFc93QVeJhP+1bSwhn3QCfRicu XXn2EgHjhTr196nranCXUfQ= =uw9p -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Priority of IMAP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Michael Schneider wrote: Any words for this? RITlabs just prefers to code a new GUI but stabalize their product. Sorry, but I'm just mad about RITlabs and their behavior regarding IMAP :-( I'm a tad upset with them too. I've used (and registered) TB! since Version 1 and the IMAP support is still far behind what Thunderbird's (or God forbid, Outlook Express's) is. That's why I'm currently using Thunderbird, that and a few GnuPG quirks. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1rc1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCHIljSlxKVhydU2ARA+BPAJ99GpIFD5uJRoOO2LT+Q34zYK9rFgCeOsnV kWVGP1AepPiBZr4WSgqJ+tM= =Ul+H -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Quiet?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Hello David Calvarese everyone else, on 23-Feb-2005 at 18:35 you (David Calvarese) wrote: Then why's your message signed inline and not PGP/MIME? :-) Because I prefer inline signing over PGP/MIME. :) Enigmail can do PGP/MIME as well. Its the year 2005. I find that PGP gibberish is totally unneccessary, it can be avoided and the functionality stays the same (personally, I find the readability is increased, which I, personally again, find more functional in an email message) ... imagine there was something like inline HTML or whatever. Yikes! :-) There is 'Inline HTML'. It's what Outlook Express uses by default. :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1rc1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCHMXxSlxKVhydU2ARA/NDAJ0V+xc/SNq1xe0ZO8Weg4J6W180qQCfVz0u AQDI8Szm3URijpJdDCXk0h4= =4OsF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Quiet?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Hello David Calvarese everyone else, on 23-Feb-2005 at 19:05 you (David Calvarese) wrote: There is 'Inline HTML'. It's what Outlook Express uses by default. :) You know what I meant. Btw. now I know whats so ugly about your messages and why it jumped in my face so much - you have no sig delimiter to at least color your PGP gibberish grey (here). :-) I'm working on that... I'm pretty new to Thunderbird and I haven't figured out how to do that yet. :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1rc1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCHMtoSlxKVhydU2ARA6nfAJ42iFIwpUKP9yREC16Uje/yNN8UoACcDoTE EGj+JqVdRdydiQWbfKMjMMA= =j2qb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Quiet?
AC Martin wrote: Hi David, On 23/02/2005 01:28 PM, you wrote: I'm working on that... I'm pretty new to Thunderbird and I haven't figured out how to do that yet. :) Other than compatibility, I struggle to think of a meaningful reason for using inline PGP signatures. If you send PGP/MIME signatures to this list, you don't have to worry about users not being able to verify your sigs since the overwhelming majority use TB!, a PGP/MIME aware client, while others use clients that are also PGP/MIME aware. I'd recommend stretching Enigmail's legs a bit and setup a recipient specific rule for these lists to have posts PGP/MIME and not inline signed. The messages to other recipients will remain inline signed. :) I'll give it a shot... Any chance you can tell me how to do a sig like yours in Thunderbird? :) Dave signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test from GMail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Tony Boom wrote: Hello Gmail, A reminder of what Gmail on TBBETA typed on: 22 February 2005 at 10:41:46 GMT +0100 G OK. If this works I need to work out how to sign using smime. Any G clues anyone? You need to get yourself a certificate from thawte or verisign and then enable smime in Account Properties Options. He might try http://www.cacert.org/ as well for a free one. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1rc1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCGzGKSlxKVhydU2ARA3l9AJ4gPjygmF4VAMnqNhAzV1HynNCSIwCfViFh FEWBZ81iloBH+9e/4FryLJI= =HyEc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Quiet?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Tony Boom wrote: On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:03:10 +0100, Dick H wrote: By releasing a program in this embryonic state, there is a chance that it will disappoint a lot of people. Well I've got bored waiting so I'm playing with Poco. Poco's a nice little email program. I recommend it to those that don't need the power of TB! but want to get away from Outlook Express. As you can see from mail headers, I'm playing with Thunderbird. (The IMAP beats TB!'s hands down and the GnuPG support via Enigmail is better than the PGP support in TB! as well). Dave -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1rc1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCG8FmSlxKVhydU2ARA7z/AJ9/MDm9R6O1tZnXo/8oPUE9j8GynwCfYAF1 xp0Pn7QUogNScF2F6ItLpHs= =wsro -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TheBat and GMail: POP Question
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 at 11:51:16 +0100, Martin Schoch wrote: MS Hi list MS Question (perhaps a little bit OT): MS Does somebody use TheBat to fetch the mail from the pop of GMail? MS No chance over here. MS POP Setup: pop.gmail.com MS TLS (secured to dedicated port): 995 MS User: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MS Authentication: Regular Yep, I do. Working without a hitch/ -- Best regards, David See kludges for my pgp key. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 at 11:43:28 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: SH I've got it working!! Well, *I* haven't; my sysadmin guys opened up SH the relevant holes in the firewall. I haven't had chance to change SH things to try and post via gmail to this list, but a message to myself SH at work seemed to work and be disclaimer free! Congratulations! Lets hope all continues to go well for you! - -- Best regards, David See kludges for my pgp key. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: iQA/AwUBQhnoAEpcSlYcnVNgEQISdwCfYytLE/nNJXLMzDvn/6xUSX1ZWQQAn3l/ zn7bzSKVQha69z1qRmqKY8dQ =hYOp -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TheBat and GMail: POP Question
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 at 14:02:39 +0100, Martin Schoch wrote: MS Hi Francis MS On Monday, February 21, 2005 1:45:27 PM you wrote: And BTW, and really OT, I have got 50 invitations left (ask for it by private mail) MS Oh, I have an other 50 left ;-) Me too! I've got 50 on my gmail and 50 on my mother's... Everyone seems to have 50 now. -- Best regards, David See kludges for my pgp key. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! crashing on mail retrieval
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 at 15:12:15 +0100, Krister Ekstrom wrote: KE Hi Bat! folks, KE I fear this has been discussed before, but what happens is this: I try KE retrieving my pop3 mail and i get one message then suddenly, TB! KE closes and i'm out on the desktop again. I don't know if there's any KE message displaying before the crash, since i'm blind and don't have KE the time for checking messages with my screen reader before it occurs. KE If someone has had this problem and managed to solve it, please tell KE me how it was done. Since i can't retrieve any mail from my main KE account, please feel free to write me at KE mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with any hints you could provide. KE I have some old filters created with v2.x, could those be the problem KE and should i make new filters? Is there a quick way to delete the old KE filters if this should be the case? The filters look to be ok as seen KE from my standpoint, that is, they appear to want to move messages to KE the correct folders etc, but i could of course be wrong on this. KE Thanks much in advance and please pardon my utter ignorance. Hrm. I had the same problem. It was a problem with BayesIT loosing it's databases and crashing TB when it was trying to scan incomming mail. Might want to look into that. -- Best regards, David Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 at 09:12:24 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: DC Another possibility, if a giant PITA, is to leave TB running on his DC home machine and using remote desktop to connect to it to do his email DC and things. SH Dial up access only at home. Can you say phone bill? Ahhh. That crimps that. I'm out of ideas now. Unless... you get a unix shell account someplace and use tunneling to connect to their SMTP server. Not sure I'd even know how to set that up though. It's been awhile since I had to do it. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 13:32:37 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: SH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- SH Hash: SHA1 AY Not a bad point, Kevin. Stuart, you could probably use the Gmail SMTP SH SMTP is blocked by the firewall. Gmail SMTP uses SSL ports, not standard ones. Do you know if that is blocked as well? Lots of places block the normal ones but don't think to block the others. In Gmail's case, SMTP is on port 465 and POP is on 995, but dedicated SSL ports. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 13:17:18 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: SH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- SH Hash: SHA1 AM I have this sneaky feeling that Stuart's company sysadmins know about AM me and what I've been doing with his messages to the list. SH Do you think they're watching us now? Spooky! We are watching you! :) Sick the white apes from Congo on them. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 13:55:29 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: SH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- SH Hash: SHA1 DC In Gmail's case, SMTP is on port 465 and POP is DC on 995, but dedicated SSL ports. SH I tried those settings on a new TB! account with no luck. Ah well, it was worth a shot anyway. Be sure you have 'Secure to Dedicated Port (TLS)' selected. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 14:22:14 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: SH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- SH Hash: SHA1 DC Ah well, it was worth a shot anyway. Be sure you have 'Secure to DC Dedicated Port (TLS)' selected. SH Done that. It occurs to me that I've guessed the name of the SMTP/POP SH servers as gmail.com. Is this right? pop.gmail.com and smtp.gmail.com Also, you have to log into the website and enable POP access in your settings. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 14:35:48 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: AY No, it's pop.gmail.com and smtp.gmail.com. SH sighTried that. Cannot connect to server/sigh Well, it was worth a shot... Did you enable pop access via the gmail website like I mentioned? Any possibility of running a local smtp server on your PC? I think I recall seeing a few free ones around someplace. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 16:47:29 +0200, Avi Yashar wrote: Any possibility of running a local smtp server on your PC? I think I recall seeing a few free ones around someplace. AY If I am not mistaken, just about every lousy worm and spyware in AY circulation these days has its own SMTP server. :-( Yah, but I meant one he could sent messages through. :) -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 14:48:55 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: DC Any possibility of running a local smtp server on your PC? I think I DC recall seeing a few free ones around someplace. SH I'd still have to get the mail out, wouldn't I? Well, I know when I've worked places that blocked you from using an SMTP server other than theirs that using a local SMTP on my machine worked. Some ISPs even do that to you. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 15:08:50 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: AY FWIW, I use TB for almost all my email except receiving and sending AY messages to the tbbeta list. SH I haven't given up yet. I'm trying bribery on one of the sysadmins. If SH that doesn't work then I'll stick with what I've got. Give this a shot and see if it works if you would. http://www.softstack.com/freesmtp.html -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 14:45:49 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: DC pop.gmail.com and smtp.gmail.com SH OK. I've done that. The transport settings in TB! can be seen in the SH attached screenshot. Can you think of anything else I might be missing SH (I still can't connect although I can ping the server). No, that pretty much looks like what I have in mine. Can't think of anything else to try. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 16:32:46 +0100, MAU wrote: AM Good catch. :) Let's hope the filter works better, now that I've AM adjusted it. Let's see, shall we... M Like others have said, please take no offence in what I am going to say. M I have been following this sub-thread about your excessively long M signature, disclaimer, etc., and I think we all appreciate the problem M you have by your company imposed disclaimer and the effort Allie is M doing to help _you_ and all of us. M However, it really seems to me that, specially in consideration of M Allie's efforts, you could personally do a bit more on your side. M What is the need for this on your signature?: Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.7.12 Pre-release, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2, SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a and Universal Macro eXtender 2.1.1119 rc6 special. M This may be relevant when you are reporting a problem, but certainly not M in every message. Actually, I appreciate stuff like that because it points me to other addons for TB! that I may not have been aware of. rss2pop3 and UMX in this case. :) M And what a bout this?: Why does someone believe you when you say there are four billion stars, but check when you say the paint is wet? M I know you are not breaking any rules. But, to me, it is not a matter of M rules but of respect and consideration to others. But YMMV. -- Best regards, David Our Yellow Sun yields to the dark as I begin my web based lark. Flowing, turning, through the pipe, I grep for text and dump the hype. But as I ride through fibre trail, I test my faith as I read my mail. Even as my bandwidth fattens, I question life and 1-click patents. Although I ask and through I query, I know the truth, I grok the theory. Life is a multimedia of sins, so he who collects the most porn wins. - Evil Geniuses for Dummies/User Friendly Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 15:54:24 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: DC Well, I know when I've worked places that blocked you from using an DC SMTP server other than theirs that using a local SMTP on my machine DC worked. Some ISPs even do that to you. SH Well I've tried that here to no avail. Looks like bribery is the way to go then in this case. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 15:53:44 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: SH As I'm going through a firewall here I'm not sure how I'd set this up SH to find a DNS to point this software at. You should be able to find your DNS server by looking at the information for your network connection. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 16:22:46 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: DC You should be able to find your DNS server by looking at the DC information for your network connection. SH Can you say DHCP? 8-) SH Nothing set up here at all. It's all managed by those fiendishly SH clever bods upstairs. But the DHCP server should be telling your machine what the DNS is... -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 16:27:18 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: DC rss2pop3 and UMX in SH Good, aren't they. The jury is still out on RSS2pop3... I think maybe firefox does a better job with it's 'live bookmarks' feature. I'm not sure what to make of UMX though. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 17:39:04 +0100, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK on 15-Feb-2005 at 15:42 you (David Calvarese) wrote: Any possibility of running a local smtp server on your PC? I think I recall seeing a few free ones around someplace. ASK What difference would it make? SMTP talks to another SMTP on port 25, just ASK like TB talks to an SMTP on port 25. Well, I remember someone on the WELL suggesting it to work around that ISP that blocks out other SMTP servers besides theirs. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 16:45:52 +, Stuart Hemming wrote: SH Got the details, set 'em up. Tried to send myself a message both at SH work and on GMail and both times the free smtp server told me I was SH trying to send to an invalid recipient. Hrm. Not sure then. I've never used that particular piece of software before and I don't remember which one I used when I had the need... -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 17:53:54 +0100, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK on 15-Feb-2005 at 17:28 you (David Calvarese) wrote: But the DHCP server should be telling your machine what the DNS is... ASK In a LAN with a Domain Controller (or something) the DNS server will be ASK local machine. Our lan here isn't big enought o need that, so I've no experiance. We're lucky to have a switch and a router. :) -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 11:10:44 -0800, John Sherman wrote: SH OK. I've done that. The transport settings in TB! can be seen in the SH attached screenshot. Can you think of anything else I might be missing SH (I still can't connect although I can ping the server). JS Actually Stuart, the SMTP connection should be: JS Secure to regular port(STARTTLS) Mine is Secure to dedicated port and works fine. :) -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 21:31:41 +0200, Avi Yashar wrote: SH OK. I've done that. The transport settings in TB! can be seen in the SH attached screenshot. Can you think of anything else I might be missing SH (I still can't connect although I can ping the server). JS Actually Stuart, the SMTP connection should be: JS Secure to regular port(STARTTLS) Mine is Secure to dedicated port and works fine. :) AY Same here. Secure to regular port never worked for me. I just tried AY it again, and it still does not work for me. On the other hand, AY Secure to dedicated port works fine. Think we should move this to one of the other lists since this doesn't really concern any Beta version? -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 21:44:19 +0200, Avi Yashar wrote: Think we should move this to one of the other lists since this doesn't really concern any Beta version? AY Maybe. But then why stop a process where someone is getting immediate AY help for a problem that indirectly affects everyone on this list. As AY Tim just mentioned, what this is really about is gaining a handle on a AY signature that is ridiculously long - more than twice the length of AY most of the author's actual messages and sometimes as much as ten AY times as long as the author's actual messages. Given the number of AY reminders that we all receive from the moderators on this list in AY relation to top-quoting and sig delimiter, I think the topic is quite AY relevant to this list - even if it is still going under a rather AY irrelevant topic title. :-) AY Anyway, that's just my opinion, David. Perhaps others think differently. You might be right. Being that it's not his fault though, I don't think any mods or anything should bug him about it when they do slip though. One alternative is to set up a remailer though. He sends a message containing his message to a remailer and the remailer sends it on sans the appended company sig. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 at 22:10:51 +0200, Avi Yashar wrote: One alternative is to set up a remailer though. He sends a message containing his message to a remailer and the remailer sends it on sans the appended company sig. AY I believe that this is essentially the service that Allie is AY generously providing for Stuart now. Another possibility, if a giant PITA, is to leave TB running on his home machine and using remote desktop to connect to it to do his email and things. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: the next beta ? when ?
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 at 17:46:14 +, Tony Boom wrote: TB Hello Claude, TB A reminder of what Claude Renaud on TBBETA typed on: TB 12 February 2005 at 17:20:30 GMT +0100 CR the next beta ? when ? TB 29th February, late afternoon. Now you all know, can you all stop asking and let TB us get on with it please. So will that be 2, 3, or 4 PM? :) JUST KIDDING! :) -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.11 beta download?
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 at 22:51:20 +0300, Vadim Yavorsky wrote: VY Good evening, VY Sunday, February 13, 2005, 10:47:00 PM, you wrote: T the latest beta is 3.0.2.11, but I can't find a link for it. Did T search the archives but no luck. Last link I could find posted there T was to 3.0.2.10 and the beta page on the Ritlabs site only has a link T up to 3.0.2.8. VY She does not exist (3.0.2.11)... I'm inclined to agree. It's probably an internal only version. TBUpdate says 3.0.2.10 is the latest available for download. At least one person on here is using 3.0.2.12 though, but it's a development version. Odds are 3.0.2.11 was as well. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: The Bat! v2.05 Beta/1 is now available
Hello drifthat, Wednesday, March 10, 2004, 1:02:33 PM, you wrote: d Hello Zeynel, d Thursday, March 11, 2004, 1:25:39 AM, you wrote: ZA? Bug report: ZA? Please double click a word in message viewer. It can't select word ZA? properly. ZA? I am using XP SP1. d Confirm here. d win2k adv server + sp4 Confirmed on XP Pro SP1 -- Best regards, David mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.05 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Assisted by BayesIt! 0.4gm SE Current beta is 2.05 beta 1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Pre-release version of Avast plugin for The Bat!
Hello Tony, Sunday, November 23, 2003, 3:55:32 PM, you wrote: TB Hello Paul, TB A reminder of what Paul Cartwright typed on: TB 23 November 2003 at 15:26:12 GMT -0500 PC I'm not ready to get a DVD burner yet, I don't think they have PC the standards down yet. TB Which is why I bought one that's capable of both + and - I personally recommend the Hi-Val +/- Drive. Works really well, especially as it comes with Nero. Does CDs as well. As for AV programs... I was steared towards NOD32 by the group and I personally love it. It doesn't make much of an impact on the system when it's running like some other ones do. -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 2.01.50 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: anti spam software for The Bat: SpamPal
Hello Richard, Wednesday , February 19, 2003, 7:13:14 PM, you wrote: RMN Hello David, RMN On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, 7:03:19 PM, you wrote: D Yeah, I've heard about that. All of fastmail.fm seems to be D set that way. They're trying to get something done about it. RMN And then all of AOL is that way on one of the databases. I've marked RMN you as a friend and so your messages won't get bounced here. But, if RMN you have a selection of addresses, you might want to think about RMN where you use fastmail.fm. I suspect that some of this list may RMN never see any of your wisdom. Well, I have a dilema there. I can use fastmail and most people see it and I get all the emails in or I can use my ISPs email and everyone sees my stuff, but I don't get all the replies in case the ISP uses spam blocking. -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 1.63b6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Difficult to Learn?
Hello Leslie, Thursday, January 04, 2001, 6:14:40 PM, you wrote: LC Interesting comments... Below are samples of some of the comments I am beginning to read on different Mailing Lists I belong to. It seems the word is out that TB! is a difficult Program to learn, and that the Help File is in dire need of updating. LC I found The Bat not so much as difficult to learn, just different all LC round. LC But I honestly don't think the program is intended for first time LC Internet users - more of those who have been on it for a very long LC time and know a fair bit about email. I have to agree. The "basic" features of TB! are quite easy to use, if different from most other mail programs, and it is a bit harder to use than most that first time computer users would normaly be exposed to (I.E. Outlook Express), but it isn't any harder to use than say Netscape Communicator. Now, filters and macros are a bit more daunting, but not terribly bad to learn either. Better documentation would certainly help. Even the FAQ doesn't help all that much. But for anyone that has used the net for a long time, and especially for people that want more power and features, TB! is definatelly the way to go. I have to say I've used most halfway descent mail programs out there that are any good. Eudora Pro, OE, Netscape, Outlook, Poco (Which is certainly the EASIEST to use), Pine, and Pegasus are all good programs, but each have their own faults. I would have to say that Pegasus is the closest to TB! in 'feel' and Eudora Pro is the closest in power, but none match TB! for combining the two. Eudora also is a resource hog, something which more and more programs are getting trapped by. TB! Fortunately gives you plenty of power without being a major drain on system resource, even on a lowly Pentium 90 (My backup PC). -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys are available by emailing me with "SENDPGPKEYSTOME" as the subject line. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
