Re: Message not displaying in RTV
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 at 11:39:01 +0100 Eddie Castelli wrote: Unfortunately I see it very strange. you can see my Screen Shot. Is it this what is meant? www.EddieCastelli.com/pub/thebat/pic/ming-li.jpg Has anyone looked at this but me? This is really strange. The shown headers are correct (as far as I can tell), indicating this is the first message I wrote in response to Spike's question. But the content isn't. It started with something I wrote several months ago, when I just came back to the list (the first paragraph). The rest seems to be from several different sources. My best guess is Eddie has a corrupted message base. Or has anyone else received the same thing? The message in my Sent box and the one the list sent back to me certainly doesn't look like that. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 | WinXP SP-1 Current beta is 1.63b6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message not displaying in RTV
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 at 19:14:17 -0500 Allie Martin wrote: Go the the Viewer/Editor options. The option at the top will toggle the Viewer preference. Got it. Thanks! I tried, and the message displayed just fine here in RTV. I'm not sure if it's related, but I have seen html (or text/html combo) messages that display fine in the html pane, but not in the right charset in the plain text pane, even after I've manually selected the right encoding. These are usually Chinese messages (typically from Lookout Express users). Frankly, TB is a long way from East-Asian language friendly. I'm still patiently waiting for v2, but I have to admit I've started evaluating other options. The volume of Chinese email has been so high since I came back to Taiwan that the pain has almost negated all the benefits TB gives me. My wife has given up, and I'm barely hanging on. ML As I said in the message, it's an encoding for traditional Chinese, But shouldn't it display in the RTV if it displays in the plain text viewer? Yes, it is, here. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 | WinXP SP-1 Current beta is 1.63b6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: attachments
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 at 14:16:38 -0500 Timothy Casten wrote: Once you open up a attachment such as a word doc or excel file. When the application starts and once it is loaded, the name of the document takes on the bats coded numbers for that doc or excel file. Here TB uses the original file name, but maybe it's because I let TB store attachments in a directory, instead of with messages. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 | WinXP SP-1 Current beta is 1.63b6 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ritlabs SecureBat! - bug report
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 at 20:10:04 +0100 Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: This is very far from easy with SecureBat! because the folder names are encoded and the mailbases are encrypted. You've got to do some real work to find out where a particular folder is stored. Ah-so, looks like SecureBat! goes farther (in terms of security) than I imagined. They moved just fine in real time. I later had to shut down and restart the system (it may be Win2k, but it's still Windows and we all know what that means for up-time cycles). It was on reload that the folders turned up missing. Sounds like it's a SecureBat!-specific problem. Maybe the beast isn't really ready after all, and maybe that's why they haven't release it to the general public. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k Pro SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Bug: dangerously wants to connect unwantedly
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 at 23:20:35 +0700 tracer wrote: thebat will NOT write to the server and make password changes. NO email program does that and even CAN do that. Unless I misunderstand you, I believe TB CAN do that. From the Account menu ... Change POP3 password... It doesn't work on most of the servers I'm with, for they probably use different ways/servers to do the job. But I did successfully change my POP password in this way with some severs. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k Pro SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: potential bug - wrong display in mail dispatcher
On Friday, March 16, 2001 at 12:02:52 +0800 Thomas wrote: I couldn't find anything wrong here, except maybe an unusual wrapping in one Received header. I doin't know whether this has any bearing at all. I guess you mean the 4th "Received:" (from top), right? I checked the exported .msg just now, and it's all in one line, no wrapping. When posting, however, I took (copy-paste) it from within TB (after Alt-Ctrl-K), not from the exported file, and it somehow wrapped the line. Sorry if that mislead you. I will test-subscribe to that list to try out whether the same problem with the despatcher existsd here. Thanks a lot! ML --- Complete Header for the No. 4 Message from Account 2--- [...] ML To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't you say in the text that these 4 messages are the same, only on different servers? Why does it show "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" as recipient in account 1? Sorry if I didn't make it clear enough. Account 1 and 2 are different accounts in the real sense (with different email addresses), not just two accounts in TB of the same address. Both NY Times and CUNY's listserv don't allow one email address to subscribe to the same list twice. While I could change my subscription mode (or header style) of the same address, I won't get exactly the same message twice. To overcome that, I used two accounts on the same server (both @Home accounts). Messages no. 2 to 4 are the same messages sent to different accounts (in different mode or header style). Message 1 is in fact different, thought they're both standard "subscription confirmation requests" sent by CUNY listserv to new subscribers. Am I making it clearer. :-) Anyway, here you have Received headers, then Message-ID, and then another Received header. Is that RFC compliant? I certain can say nothing about RFC compliant (could somebody jump in here?), but I get that all the time (I mean Received headers divided by other headers, not necessarily Message-ID). -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k Pro SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: potential bug - wrong display in mail dispatcher
by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:19:38 -0800 Received: from mx9-sfba.mail.home.com (mx9-sfba.mail.home.com [24.0.95.240]) by h7.mail.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA27763; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:21:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from listserv.cuny.edu (listserv.cuny.edu [128.228.100.10]) by mx9-sfba.mail.home.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2FMKaH18115; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:20:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from listserv (listserv.cuny.edu) by listserv.cuny.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:25:04 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU by LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 7132825 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:25:03 -0500 Received: from mailcity.com (209.185.123.96) by listserv.cuny.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:25:03 -0500 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Thu Mar 15 14:20:09 2001 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Sender-Ip: 207.20.19.184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:20:09 -0800 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Discussion of opera and related issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Michael Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Subject: Alapage Thank You To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] END No.3 Header --- Complete Header for the No. 4 Message from Account 2--- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mh5-sfba.mail.home.com ([24.0.95.234]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:03:37 -0800 Received: from mx5-sfba.mail.home.com (mx5-sfba.mail.home.com [24.0.95.230]) by mh5-sfba.mail.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id DAA21532 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:04:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from content119a.lga2.nytimes.com (content119a.lga2.nytimes.com [208.48.26.162]) by mx5-sfba.mail.home.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2GB45b04802 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:04:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from listserv1 (listserv1.lga2.nytimes.com) by content119a.lga2.nytimes.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 5:05:38 -0500 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:14:26 -0500 From: The New York Times Direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: International Headlines from NYTimes.com Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] END No.4 Header -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k Pro SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TB1.png TB2.png TB1a.png TB2a.png
Re: potential bug - wrong display in mail dispatcher
On Wednesday, March 14, 2001 at 02:44:08 +0800 Thomas wrote: ML Hm, so it's only at my end. Strange, since it happens to so ML many servers (all 7 of them). I began to suspect it's caused by ML incompatibility between TB and DBCS-enabled systems. FYI, I have just enabled DBCS and tried. No problem over here, at my Hinet account. (Or any other, for that matter.) Maybe an OS problem? The good news: you're right, DBCS support isn't the problem. I took DBCS support completely out of my system (basically returning it back to a pure English system) and it's still the same. The bad news: I'm at wit's end about what happens. Any theory or wild suggestions? Ok, just took another good look at those messages in the mail dispatcher, and I found almost all of them come from two sources: New York Times' news letters and a mailing list called Opera-l (it's a mailing list about opera the art, not the software). Maybe we can get somewhere from this finding. I'll conduct more tests and report back tomorrow. BTW, Does anyone also subscribe to either of these? Or is anybody on a list hosted by CUNY (city university of N.Y.)? (Operal-l is the only list I belong that's hosted by CUNY, so I've no idea it's limited to that particular list or system-wide.) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k Pro SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
beta release procedure - two suggestions
Hello All,
It happens every so often when a new beta is released that some
people would jump the gun and then crying for "what's new" if--as it
usually happens--the announcement is made after a beta release.
In the rare cases where the announcement is made _before_ the
software is put on the server, some people would rush to the beta
page (or ftp server), see nothing to download, and then rush to the
list to protest ("you announce a new beta, why isn't it there?"). I
remember it even happened once that someone downloaded a "broken"
beta because the software was in the process of uploading to the
server when he/she was downloading.
See the dilemma?
Here are my humble suggestions, one to RIT, one to my fellow
Bats(wo)men:
1. Maybe it's better for RIT folks to prepare a "what's new"
document first, and bundle it with the beta program (in the .arj
file). Then upload the software, followed by the official
announcement on the TBBETA list. Doing so guarantees the software is
on the server and ready for download when the announcement is made.
And those who scout the server often and download it before the
announcement is made could learn what's new from the accompanied
document. If RIT could do this consistently, we can also be sure a
beta version on the FTP is not an public release should there be no
accompanied document (and no subsequent announcement). Those who
choose to download such software would have no right to complain.
2. Before RIT does adopt the suggested practice, could we all please
be a little patient in waiting for announcement? Usually it's in
preparation or even on its way. (Mailing list is no instant
messaging.) Couldn't we wait just a little longer? It's not as if
who break the news (that there's a new beta) would get a candy or
something. :-)
--
Best regards,
Ming-Li
The Bat! 1.51 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1
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Re: beta release procedure - two suggestions
On Wednesday, February 28, 2001, 6:33:07 AM, Thomas wrote: ML It happens every so often when a new beta is released that some ML people would jump the gun and then crying for "what's new" ML if--as it usually happens--the announcement is made after a ML beta release. The announcement *is* the beta release. Nobody should download before the announcement. 'Nough said. Ok, I stand corrected for the wording. I should say "the announcement is made after the software is put on the server. You missed my point, though. I'm not the one who jump the gun; never did, and never will. I'm merely trying to suggest a way that could easily preempt such mess from happening again. You've seen it, Maxim's announcement was only a couple of hours later than the software had been up on the server (I'm going by the ftp's date/time record here), and some people just couldn't wait. If Maxim could just wait a little while, make a whatsnew.txt (of which the content is exactly the same as the email announcement, minus the beta link at the top) and put it into the .rar file together with the software, wouldn't that be nice? I know, we should just sit and wait for the announcement (I mentioned that, too), but the fact is, some people just don't. New users are coming in every day (I hope), and some are bound to do the same thing. If RIT could change their practice just a little bit (which isn't hard, IMHO, since they have to document the changes in the announcement anyway), then we won't see this ever again. Unless you enjoy chiding those who jump the gun each time a new beta is out. There are things we can only lay out the rules and enforce them when they're breached. There are however problems that we can make some technical adjustment and they would just go away. In this case, I just see the latter as the better alternative. It's, of course, up the RIT to change the procedure, and I can't say they're wrong should they choose not to. I'm just a little tired to see such mess happening each time a new beta is out. And it will happen again as long as new users keep coming. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.51 Beta/1 | Win2k Pro SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: potential bug - wrong mail header
On Saturday, February 17, 2001, 7:38:29 AM, Marck wrote: Now I doubt that TB inserts CR/LF pairs after each line, it must be somewhere on the way. I'm guessing. I doubt that, too. But then it's hard to explain why this problem manifests itself (to me) only when I'm using TB. (Please see my original post and my reply to Dean.) FYI Nick Andriash reported exactly the same phenomenon. What's Nick's address? [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-). He's now working from an OperaMail account. I must have missed this. (I vaguely remember Nick's trouble with @home account about duplicated messages. I don't remember this one.) I'll get another account if I have to, though I really hate managing too many accounts. The problem, however, seems to point to TB's direction. As said in my other reply, Alexander from RITLabs is working on it, so we'll see. So far @home is holding up well enough for me, though two days are hardly enough for me to gain too much confidence in it, given the amount of horror stories I've heard. Thankfully I still have a backup of all messages on my school account's server, that makes the risk (of using @home's email service) much more bearable. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k Pro SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: A small bug / macro %TOFName
On Tuesday, January 23, 2001, 2:05:29 AM, David wrote: A Do you mean if a persons Christian name is 'Howard Phillip', A that only 'Howard' would appear when using macro %TOFName ? Yes. I have a friend whose name is "Jon Paul Steven Jones". He is known as "Jon Paul". He does not like "Jon-Paul" and considers it wrong, so do I. Therefore I will not use it. How should TB know what to use in this case, then? There's no possibility for that, is there? TB could only takes its best guess and the best guess is the "Jon", and you'll have to put in the right one by yourself should it guess wrong. If you like, you may put your friend in the Address Book, and use the newly introduced AB-related macros to tell TB exact what it should address a person. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49c | Win2k Pro SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: A small bug / macro %TOFName
On Tuesday, January 23, 2001, 8:46:11 AM, David wrote: Ming-Li I think that you misses the start of this thread. In the address book "Jon Paul Steven Jones" is put in as followes. I did read through the thread, but I guess I didn't tread carefully enough. Thanks for reminding me. ML and use the newly introduced AB-related macros to tell TB exact ML what it should address a person. Why not use the %TOFName macro? Ok, so what I said still stands. To tell TB to use the first name from the First Name field in AB, you use %ABTOFirstName. Please check the help file for further info about the %ABnnnppp macros. %TOFName (and its siblings) takes its input directly from the header fields, not your address book. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49c | Win2k Pro SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: be careful with the Mass mailing feature
On Sunday, December 03, 2000, 10:33:09 AM, Thomas wrote: MM I have following suggestion. MM When User select contacts and hit Mass mailing + qtemplate, TB will MM display following dialog window: Just open the message in the editor seems logical to me. I concur. To me, QT is template after all, and I couldn't think of an occasion where I want to send a template out without further editing. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/9 | Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: beta/6
On Sunday, November 12, 2000, 8:31:30 AM, Juergen wrote: I also downloaded the Beta/6 and it shows Beta/4. But the size is different. On the other hand: Did you see the date of the Beta/6' exe-file? [29.08.2000] Please note it's *1.46* beta4, not 1.48 beta4. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/4 | Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: beta/6
On Sunday, November 12, 2000, 9:21:45 AM, Juergen wrote: Please note it's *1.46* beta4, not 1.48 beta4. Yeah, but now it's the right version that Max uploaded. I know. :) I tried to keep quiet but then so many people were crying "it's beta4" without noticing it's the wrong version, :) so I decided to point that out. I got the new one as soon as Maxim uploaded it. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/6 | Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: run external program
On Wednesday, November 08, 2000, 3:21:02 AM, Daniel wrote: I tested the filter 'run external program' and got a question about it. If you send your mail for example to notepad.exe you can edit it easily. So far - so good. The problem is now, how to import it again. Is there another way than with /IMPORT ? I guess not. You have to call TB with the /import command switch from your editor (if it allows) to get it back into TB. You won't get two instances of TB; it's just another thread of the running TB. If you want to import the mail to the original place, u have to give the account and the folder name as options to the external program - otherwise u don't know where the mail comes from. Right. But TB! saves the exported mail to tempfile. If you change this tempfile, is it possible to import this file automatically to the origin account and folder (for example if you close notepad.exe the changed mail is reimported to the original place)? I'm afraid not. It would be a nice feature to have. If you're trying to edit your message headers before sending it out, there's a third-party utility (IIRC, it's called X-Ray) for it. Otherwise we'll out of luck for now. On a related note, being able to edit received mail right in TB is a feature in great demand. But RIT has got such a long list of wishes that we'll just have to wait and see. Using The Bat! 1.48 Beta/2 S/N 0D5837E3 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 Could you please these two line to your signature area? Well, it's up to you, of course. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/3 | Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report - Message Forward and space waste
On Thursday, November 09, 2000, 1:13:04 AM, Dirk wrote: The bug description: I have setup (all related settings) TB! to store Attachments in the Mail Body _not_ in the Attach Directory. I have setup this in _all_ Accounts. Same here. Every Time i create a Forward, TB! save the Forwarded message in the Attach Directory (but save the Message in the message body of the created message) and _never_ delete this. Not confirmed. Wathced the Attach directory closely and nothing happened when creating a forwarded message (either a plain message or a message with attachments). -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/3 | Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Setup Columns
On Thursday, November 09, 2000, 6:00:40 AM, wie wrote: How to change the Setup Columns at an account or a folder and make it default/use to all my account/all folder ?? Right click on a folder, select Properties, check the option "Use the account default column settings". You'll have to enable the option for all the folders you want to use the default column settings, since it's not checked when a new folder is created. (Yes, the ability to set properties for several folders/accounts at a time has been repeatedly requested.) After that, you may adjust the column settings in any folder with the option checked, and your change would be taken as the new "default column settings" for that account. IOW, when you change the column settings for a folder that uses the default column settings, all other folders with that option on would use the new settings as well. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/3 | Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Bug with using multiple Cookies
On Sunday, November 05, 2000, 6:08:26 AM, A. wrote: So if I define the following template: %Qinclude="%Cookie=""path to QT handles list""" %Cookie="cookie file" The outputting of the second %cookie macro will be affected in that it will take a cookie from the initial %cookie macros cookie file. A QT handle will therefore be seen. Confirmed. I also found if you switch the two lines, the QT included won't be seen at all. I.e., only the cookie from the "cookie file" would be there. Another observation: if you insert another line of %cookie between the two lines, like this: Begin Template= %Qinclude="%Cookie=""path to QT handles list""" %Cookie %Cookie="cookie file" End Template= then the second line would show the QT handle, but the third line would be correct. So before RIT fixes it, this may serves as a workaround, albeit awkward for You'll have to delete the wrong cookie by hand. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/1 | Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Thread watchers (was: The Bat! - suggestions)
On Wednesday, October 11, 2000, 6:44:22 AM, Thomas wrote: So it checks for each new message coming in whether this thread already exists somewhere in the message base and has been marked "ignore"? This can be awfully slow when you have thousands of messages, if I understand you correctly. In Agent, no. At least I don't feel it. AFAIK, all news messages carry full thread references in the headers (am I right?), so all Agent has to do before retrieving new messages of a group is to quickly scan through all the ignored threads and collect the message IDs of the "leading messages". The leading message of a thread doesn't have to exist. As long as there's one message in the thread exists, you can get the message ID of the leading message from its Reference field. I can certainly imagine other newsreaders opting to store this information in a permanent database. Agent chooses not to, and I haven't feel any performance penalty yet. For TB to implement this, it's more complicated. First of all, not all MUAs implement the Reference field, and TB has to use the In-Reply-To field to thread it. Simply keeping tag of the leading message IDs won't be enough for ignore/watch-ing purposes. Also, TB allows threading by fields other than Reference, and it allows changing threading methods on the fly. If TB wants to do this, it probably has to limit its application to only the "thread by reference" context. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/7 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Thread watchers (was: The Bat! - suggestions)
On Wednesday, October 11, 2000, 8:28:08 AM, Thomas wrote: ML In Agent, no. At least I don't feel it. AFAIK, all news ML messages carry full thread references in the headers (am I ML right?), so all Agent has to do before retrieving new messages ML of a group is to quickly scan through all the ignored threads "Qucikly scan" through the whole message base? The index file, not the message base. BTW, most of what I'm saying here are my own observation through the many years of usage. I don't have inside knowledge of how exactly Agent works, except that it creates a data file and an index file for each group. ML and collect the message IDs of the "leading messages". The ML leading message of a thread doesn't have to exist. I mean, Agent doesn't have to keep a list (virtually or physically) a list of all the IDs of all messages in a watched/ignored thread. It needs only the message ID of the message that starts the thread. All follow-up messages will carry that ID in their Reference field, so Agent could spot a new message from that thread simply by looking at the Reference field. You lost me. I give up. g Maybe I should take a look at Forte's Agent... That's even better. If you're serious in getting a newsreader (haven't you got one already?), though, I would suggest you start with Gravity or XNews, both having the same or similar capability. After all, Agent is basically dead. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/7 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
On Wednesday, October 11, 2000, 8:35:39 AM, A. wrote: TF In-reply-to cannot be used, unless 1.) everybody uses an email TF client that uses the ehader, and 2.) everybody uses a different TF ISP (just see how many people on this list alone are on GMX, TF Hotmail, or Yahoo to make Christian's point). Neither solution is ideal in all instances. Am I right that message IDs are generated by the MUA? If so, we may suggest TB to use our whole email address, not just the domain, to generate message IDs since the first part of an ID (before "@") may contain letters, not just numbers. Is there any downside to this? -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/7 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: LDAP Searching
On Monday, October 09, 2000, 1:13:56 AM, Graham wrote: I've not tried exactly what you are doing - but the 'IS this book tied to an LDAP directory' option gives TB! permission to store all search results in this 'address book' - To do that - every search scrubs down the previous search results - and starts with a new query on the remote LDAP directory. Have you tried to search an AB that's not associated with a LDAP directory (i.e., your personal AB)? I tried just now and couldn't find anything in my Personal AB, and the status field remain empty (unlike when searching a LDAP directory there would be messages like "connecting, searching, ..."). Is the search function for LDAP only? -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/7 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: funny characters instead of message in 1.47 Beta/5
On Sunday, October 01, 2000, 2:07:25 PM, Nick wrote: I was wondering if *you* had downloaded/installed the International Pack that would allow *you* to view messages written in a different language, providing of course that was the problem. ;o) The International Pack contains only localized versions of user interface (translated menus and such) for The Bat! and spell checker dictionaries. It has nothing to do with reading mail in unsupported encodings. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/5 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: MAPI Addressee Construction
On Friday, September 29, 2000, 9:34:00 AM, bill wrote: One other MAPI occurrence. I installed the tbmapi.dll through the /installmapi switch earlier this month. It installed itself as mapi32.dll. Fine. When the revised tbmapi.dll was released a couple of days ago I installed it using the same routine. However, MAPI still did not work with Agent. Upon checking the mapi32.dll it had *not* been overwritten by the new version of tbmapi.dll. It was still the old original version. Opened a DOS window and tried to copy tbmapi over mapi32. I got a 'sharing violation'. Rebooting to DOS achieved the required result. This happens when, among other possibilities, a program tries to call the dll and fails (hangs). The dll files remains open and thus couldn't be overwritten. I wonder if any other users are having a problem with MAPI because the old tbmapi is not being overwritten, or perhaps it is just a quirk of this machine. This may happen to anybody, and it should be added to the list of many quirks in TB's MAPI installation that RIT needs to work out before its official release. Generally speaking, I think it is in itself a bad idea trying to overwrite a dll file in the directories, and RIT would be wise to avoid this if it's at all possible. But sometimes MS just leaves you no choice. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/5 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: MAPI tests with new DLL
On Friday, September 29, 2000, 10:09:25 AM, Quin wrote: My mapistub.dll is 128kB. Both mapi32.dll and tbmapi.dll are 57kB which seems to indicate that TB! overwrote the original MS mapi32.dll. Yup. (I assume I can restore that original by duplicating the stub file and changing one copy's name to mapi32.dll? Note that my assumption is a question ;-) Yes, you can, though I don't know the benefit of doing that. But why would a file named tbmapi.dll overwrite on named mapi32.dll? I have no idea. My best guess is the /INSTALLMAPI switch simply copies itself into the system directory assuming you don't have mapi support (from anybody) installed at all, which could be wrong (i.e., in fact one already has mapi support installed) and TB's mapi installation killed the old one regardless. IOW, TB's TBMAPI.DLL *should* work with the original MAPI support in the system and make itself available as the mapi server of choice, AND the /INSTALLMAPI switch really shouldn't be used when there's already MS mapi32.dll in the system. Your experience (and Curtis' and maybe some others) suggests it's not working sometimes, and that should the kinks RIT needs to work out. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/5 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: MAPI tests with new DLL
On Saturday, September 30, 2000, 10:37:35 AM, Thomas wrote: (I assume I can restore that original by duplicating the stub file and changing one copy's name to mapi32.dll? Note that my assumption is a question ;-) ML Yes, you can, though I don't know the benefit of doing that. To go back to "before TB MAPI", the resotre option. Yup, that I know. :) I meant to say I didn't (and still don't) know the benefit of using one version of MAPI32.DLL over the other with TB. From what we've heard so far, on some systems, both work, while on others only one of them works. I think, and I am not sure whether it's my phantasy, that TBMAPI.DLL contains info to the OS's MAPI system that TB exists and should be used for this service. The original MAPI wouldn't know that. I'm not sure about that. I've never used the /INSTALLMAPI switch and I'm sure the mapi32.dll in my windows system32 folder is still the original MS version. Yet MAPI with TB is working, with a lone exception. What other mechanics would tell the application from within which you invoke MAPI that it is TB that has to be used? I would think some registry settings suffice, ideally. The instruction on the beta page and Stefan's clarification the other day implies the same. (Otherwise they should simply tell us to use the /INSTALLMAPI switch no matter what.) As an API, I think it's imperative for MS to make it somewhat open to the extent that other email programs can also be MAPI servers without having to passing their dll files as MS'. IOW, there should be a way for third-party programs to plug into the mapi system. Not that MS would care what I think, though. I won't be surprised if they have made it difficult, if not impossible, to achieve that. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/5 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
On Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 9:30:39 AM, Christian wrote: I don't print out many emails, but every now and then it happens. Things got better because I can print them using Message/Print, but not using the toolbar. I just tried stopping the printer from the print queue, then I printed a message from within The Bat. In the Queue I found the print job without a name. Printing from other application the print jobs have a name. I wonder if this could be the problem. I've never noticed this before (well, I almost never print email). Just tried and indeed it has no name, but it prints just fine. (I used the Print button on the toolbar). -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Odd folder behaviour. Bug?
On Sunday, September 17, 2000, 12:18:52 AM, Januk wrote: I have a dummy account set up in TB, and so I don't need the four default folders (Inbox, Outbox, Sent, Trash). Since they can't be deleted, I tried making them sub folders of a fifth folder. TB happily let me do this, but then every time I shut down TB, I would get an access error message and TB would hang. I could clear the error and shut down using the X button at the top right. Everything returned to normal when these folders were promoted to top level folders again. That's strange. I've been doing this all along. In fact, I've deleted some of the "default folders" after dragging them into subfolders. I did not, however, delete *ALL* such folders in a dummy account. I would at least leave one alone--the "Trash" folder, for I'm not sure what would happen if I delete a message in that account when there's no Trash folder. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46c | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: MAPI strange behavior
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 7:35:55 PM, Peter wrote: MAPI is working really strange when I'm sending the page from IE.. 1. When I am trying to send page which is Russian windows-1251 codepage it opens TB! window with Cyrillic (KOI8-R) codepage and with text translated from windows-1251. So the text is unreadable and I cannot add my own text. The attached web page is good though. I don't know a single word and have never visited a web page in Russian, but I did some experiment and couldn't reproduce what you described here. I went to your homepage by clicking on the link in your signature and clicked on the first link under the title "Ivan Shokin's diary (in Russian) Part II". My IE told me the encoding of the page is "Cyrillic (Windows)", and the source said "charset=windows-1251". I then used the "Send page by email" function and a TB message editing window popped up. The message editing pane was full of weird Chinese characters (the default locale of my English Win2k is Traditional Chinese), for the default message encoding is "none". I changed the message encoding to "Cyrillic (Windows-1251)" and those Chinese characters turned into Russian. (Though I don't understand a thing I tried to compare the pattern of them to the web page in IE and they appeared identical to me.) I could add my own text as well, though I could type only in English. 2. There is only part of text shown in text part window. Some of it is only in attached file. Can't confirm this either. BTW, my IE is version 5.5, if that matters. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: MAPI strange behavior
On Friday, September 15, 2000, 8:45:55 AM, Peter wrote:
I don't think it will work for you. The problem wirh different
charsets in Russian is that the same characters are mapped
differently. It is not font problem or something. It means that
Russian "A" for example which is C0 in windows-1251 supposed to be
changed to E0 in KOI8-R and so on.
So far I understand. It's the same with many other languages (like
Chinese).
So in viewer when you are changing codepage TB! just puts filter
to characters which will translate E0 to C0 and I will see "A"
letter.
I'm not sure I understand this. Do you mean if I receive a message
written in windows-1251, and I see a letter "A" (C0x in
windows-1251), then when I change the encoding ("View | Character
set") to KOI8-R, TB would translate C0x to E0x automatically and
still show "A" to me?
It doesn't work like that here (nor should it). If I change the
codepage for a received message, I want TB to ingore the original
charaset setting in the header and show me the message in the new
codepage I desire. That's how TB would behave here.
But if you will take text in windows-1251, put the filter
on it and show it in the editor window you will see garbage. It
doesn't matter what Russian codepage I will choose after it
because it will filter the text before the sending but not change
it on the screen.
I don't understand this, either. I've just tried again. I went to
your diary page, used the "Send Page by email" command in IE, and
changed the message encoding in TB's editing window to "Cyrillic
(windows-1251)". I then did it again, but this time I changed it to
"Cyrillic (KOI8-R)". Both showed the same text to me, and their
appeared to be the same as what I saw in IE. I then sent both of
them to myself, and they still looked the same to me, but view the
source of both in an editor would show that they're indeed in
different encoding. (The first character of the first paragraph in
your diary appears to be "B", but it's "C2x" in one message yet
"F7x" in the other.
2. There is only part of text shown in text part window. Some
of it is only in attached file.
ML Can't confirm this either.
Hm... This is strange. For example on my pages I see parts of
JavaScript text which I suppose not to see. On other pages I see
only part of text but probably it is the same script reason so TB!
cannot understand where is the end of the text.
Yes, I can see those JavaScript text as well. I think it's a bug
though I've no idea who should take it out (IE or TB), since I've
never used MAPI before. Is it that in MAPI a browser just dump the
source code on the email client and it's up to the latter to filter
out the scripts and html codes?
Nonetheless, I can see all the text, not just part of it, and I can
type, too.
If you like, I can send the two test messages (your diary page, one
in windows-1251, the other in KOI8-R) to you and you can see if
they're displayed properly.
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Ming-Li
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Re: beta/6
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 8:18:30 AM, Steve wrote: Exactly my point on the flip side: what can be accomplished with ini can also be accomplished be registry, theoretically. Easily moving from one computer to another is not one of them. Surviving an OS reinstall (basically the same thing) or an OS change is another. I'm not so sure. If the registry or an easily separable part of it contains only application specific data (aka a superset of all INIs), then it's also quite portable, isn't it? Most people lean against registry (myself included) because the way it's implemented in Windows, as far as I can tell. No, it is the registry. A single point of failure on the machine. A central repository of distributed information which may be used in other contexts. I am opposed not to the implementation but the whole concept. It's a trade-off, IMHO. Yes, it's a single point of failure, but also a single point of management. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/6 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: beta/6
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 9:18:42 AM, Steve wrote: I'm not so sure. If the registry or an easily separable part of it contains only application specific data (aka a superset of all INIs), then it's also quite portable, isn't it? This assumes you can /find/ the data in the first place. ??? Sorry, don't get it. Do you mean it's harder to find data in registry than in INIs? It's a trade-off, IMHO. Yes, it's a single point of failure, but also a single point of management. An unneeded point of management since most people cannot manage it. ??? Again, don't get it. Most people don't manage INIs, either. As long as appropriate tools are available, I think people who can manage INIs can manage the registry, too. I think it's you who said "Tools for automation, however,are what makes working with that data convenient." Didn't you. :) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/6 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Missing Filters
On Tuesday, September 12, 2000, 7:28:33 AM, David wrote: I did not have 2 exe's in diff directories I had 1 exe in the bat directory (most current exe) and 1 exe actually on the start menu. Having done a search reveals no additional bat files outside of the bat directory. The start menu of Windows is just another directory in Windows file system. My guess is that having used the new exe it 'updated' the filters. Then clicking on the older exe it must have messed up the 'updated' filters. Right, that's what I've been saying all along. This is the only thing that makes any sense. Of course I don't understand why tb would make those kind of changes but there you go. As RIT keep adding new functionality to the filters, it's only natural to make such changes. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/5 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: BUG: Advanced filtering fails
On Saturday, September 09, 2000, 8:33:23 AM, A. wrote: ML You may, however, suggest RIT to include the email address part ML in the message list virtual database, so it can be used in ML display filters. Why? Hit F7 and the search tool is there in front of you. It opens with the appropriate folder already selected for the search. Just tick sender and type in the string and you're done. Hit Esc just like with the main window to get rid of the display. I'm as content as you are with TB's current implementation in this regard, I merely told John should he really want that feature, he could send a request to RIT, which is a given right for each TB user, though it's another matter whether RIT would implement it. Moreover, which header fields or message attributes should be available in the message list, and hence available as display filter criteria, are basically a matter of preference. The search tool could find anything for you, but it doesn't prevent you from using the quick search, display filter, and alt-clicking, does it? While I have no complaint about TB's current selection, I see no commanding reason to argue that sender's email address shouldn't be included in this group, either. ML Of course, others may want to suggest other header fields to be ML included as well. It would ultimately be up to RIT to decide what to ML include and what to leave out, trying to strike the best balance ML between memory usage, speed, convenience, and flexibility. I'm glad ML it's not my job. :) I really don't see the point in mirroring a function that's already there. If it was more convenient I'd agree but it really isn't. The advanced filtering is placed among the message list display choices for a reason. Because it only searches for strings in the message list. The 'quick search' does this as well. Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough (I thought I did). I agree that display filters only search for strings in the message list for good reason, and I wasn't suggesting anything otherwise. I merely stated that it's conceivable for RIT to add one more message list column (sender's email address), and consequently put it in the display filter. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/5 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: BUG: Message list colour editor problem.
On Saturday, September 09, 2000, 9:35:17 AM, A. wrote: If you wish to change/modify the colour in one of the message list colours that you have defined, it can be annoyingly tedious because when you open the colour editor dialog, it doesn't start with the colour already defined. Instead it starts with black all the time! Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I can't confirm this. When I try to edit any of the existing color group, TB always show me the current color designation. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/5 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: CJK (again)
Hi Thomas, On my monitor. I right-click on a message, choose Central European, and still, no umlauts are displayed but Chinese characters instead. My choice "Central European" is ignored. :-( Ok, this has to do with the way C-Windows forces Chinese display on non-DBCS-aware software. It's been much improved in Win2k, for at least the same trick works here. My understanding is you hardly need Chinese display, but are simply stuck with a Chinese Windows system, right? Here's a trick: use regedit and go to the following key: [HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\fontassoc\Associated CharSet] and change the following entries' values as indicated: "ANSI(00)"="no" "OEM(FF)"="no" "CHINESBIG5(88)"="no" This trick will order your C-Win system not to force display Chinese. The downside is each application has to display Chinese on its own. In TB, it means you'll have to set the display font to a Chinese font (like "²Ó©úÅé" in C-Win). I believe nonetheless this downside means almost to you. :) If you have time, you may play with the four entries in the above mentioned registry key, setting some to yes and others to no. You'll find different applications use different ways to display text, and hence would be forced to display Chinese in different situations. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: CJK (again)
Hi Thomas, First the good news: Since v1.45, the print template works, and the first letter of a word in an idented line, is now printed fine! :-) Though I've never printed any email, it's good to know that. Secondly, I understand that v2 should be able to handle Double-Byte Languages correctly. High ASCII characters still display as Chinese characters, which is annoying, Yes, indeed! as I receive a lot of mail in German language. Therefore my question: will one of the next betas allow me to not only chose the character set when viewing messages but actually use the character set chosen? I'm not sure I understand you. What do you mean by "use the character set chosen"? When printing? or for message list display? I am really looking forward to it. Me too. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Account password
Hi Michael, If this works... why you don't simply delete/move the .cfg-file? Yup, you're right. That should work, too. It's just I didn't know the .cfg file is the only thing involved and I started my problem solving by creating a new account. (It's more a habit that I create a new test account whenever I want to mess around.) It's like going 3 quarter of a circle and not realizing it's short the other way round. Thanks for pointing that out. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Win2k -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Filter problems
Hi phil, I made a "Catch All Filter" for my personal use like this. [example snipped] Thanks, phil. If you read through the thread, however, you would find the problem I (or Marek) have isn't to come up with a perfect filter condition (string) that would catch all. The problem is, I have some "munual" filters that I don't want to run when I *re-filter* a folder. Marck suggested using a "catch-all" filter between automatic filters and manual filters as a "stop point", which I think is a good idea. Nevertheless, a catch-all filter has to move messages somewhere, and I don't want messages (that fall into the "catch-all" category) moved at all when I re-filter a folder. Hence the problem. Thanks anyway. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Win2k -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Browsing with left and rigt arrows
Hi Darius, Left and right arrows seems don't work as it must. Browsing in tree with arrows differs in Microsoft products and TheBat (folder list, message list). Try to use arrows keys in Explorer folder tree and TheBat folder tree and will see the difference "Must" is a strong word here, and I don't think TB *must* use keyboard the same way as Microsoft. Heck, even M$ doesn't always use keyboard the same way across all their products. Admittedly, everyone has some preoccupation about how keyboard should be defined in TB. The preoccupation is largely related to software one has learned, and differs from one user to another. The best way to solve this is to allow users to re-define keyboard assignments, which is unfortunately not possible at this moment, and is promised for v2. For this specific case, I don't agree with you, either. In Explorer folder tree pane, you need to press Right key once to expand folder one level first, and one more time to go down one level. The first one is equivalent to pressing the Plus key on the Num-keypad (which works the same way in TB). In TB, pressing the Right key would expand the folder tree one level and go down to it, which is more convenient. Same for the Left key. BTW, Left and Right arrow key doesn't seem to work in Explorer's file list pane in Details view, while they work in TB's message list. Since you mentioned message list, are you trying to suggest RIT to disable both keys in message list? -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Win2k -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: bad date handling
Hi David, Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:38:12 BST This doesn't conform to standard AFAIK, for it put "year" before "time". shows 3:38pm in the list. I know that this may be caused by not fully RFC compliant mailers (this was sent from Hotmail), but if these formats are in common use, then The Bat should attempt to handle them I agree TB should accommodate such non-conforming headers, or allow users to edit it directly in TB (now all you can do is to export it, edit it, and re-import it). Becky does the latter, and I miss the feature very much. That being said, I would also suggest you to send an email to Hotmail and ask them to go by the standard. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Win2k -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Browsing with left and rigt arrows
Hi Marck, Just a note of moderation here: a lot of non-native English speakers on this list (including the RIT programmers on occasion!) use the word "must" where "could", "should" and "aught" are clearly more apt. It is a matter of limited understanding and poor translation rather than the intention to use the imperative. My apology. As a non-native English speaker myself, I should have known better. Thanks for the reminder. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Win2k -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Filter problems
Hi Marek, I need to do following function: delete from folder (not to Trash) selected message by defined schortcut, but not, if is parked or flagged. I created following filtr: - String : @ - "Actions/Delete the messag"e selected - "Options/Execute action set of this rule" selected - Schotcut - Ctrl+Shift+Alt+O - "Advanced/Message is unparked" selected - "Advanced/Message is not flagged" selected When I apply this filtr by pressing this schortcut on parked message, this message disappears in this folder. When I change folder and select back to previous, message is still there - cosmetic bug. Confirmed. Same problem, when I uncheck options "Message is unparked" and "Message is not flagged" in section "Advanced. When I apply this filtr by pressing this schortcut on flagged message, this message is deleted! - section Advanced was not used, I think. You're right, when applying a filter on selected messages with a hotkey, no filtering conditions (including the search string, and conditions in the advanced pane) would be used, IF the source folder is the same as the destination folder, UNLESS the option "Check the selected messages against this rule" is checked. Confusing? You bet. And this is designed behavior, not a bug. (Speaking with a straight face. :-| ) What happened to parked messages in your case is accidental: parked messages can't be deleted with a filter no matter what (before unparking it first), not because TB abides to the condition you set. A bit of history (from someone with a little more than 2 month's experience): It's long been lamented that TB's filters, with all its prowess, couldn't be used without moving messages to a certain folder. Hence RIT designed sort of a backdoor trick as described above. (Or it's been there all long, I don't know.) So you may set both the source folder and the destination folder to Inbox, and apply the filter to other folders with a hotkey without those messages being moved to Inbox. IOW, pressing the hotkey would simply do the designated "actions" on selected messages, with no regard to any other condition. For your purpose, enable the ""Check the selected messages against this rule" will do. Theoretically, it would make TB move the matched messages to the destination folder (even if it's the same as the source folder), but it won't be a problem here since TB execute the "delete" action first, hence no messages left to move. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Win2k -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cancel sending
Hi Drunin, What I propose is to park message when sending is cancelled, or in other words, to introduce another explicit rule (first is manual parking) which directs 'parked/free' message state for this specific situation. Thus, cancelling a sending cancels all subsequent sendings until user frees the message. This does nothing with editing. Cancel just does more than cancelling an action. But, of course, it depends on your own preferences. I understood what you want. I merely tried (and obviously failed) to explain why it shouldn't be done this way. I think "Cancel" has been well established as "cancel current action", and I don't think attach too many consequences to it is a good idea. Secondly, I don't agree the "Draft" flag is equivalent to the "Parked" flag. I usually have several drafts in my Outbox, sitting there for days at time, waiting for further revision. (My wife and I have the habit of revising each other's mail if the intended recipient is our mutual friends, so we go over each other's Outbox from time to time, checking messages in "Draft" mode.) I certainly don't want them to be confused with completed messages of which the delivery was cancelled. IMO, your purpose is better served by an "Offline" tool button as suggested by others, which would stop checking/sending mail until it's told to go "online" again. Addition option/tool button can be arranged for people who want to halt, e.g., all checking but not sending, or vice versa. But changing the "Draft" status is not a good way of achieving this. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Win2k -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Can't send mail !!!
Hi anderson, I'm trying to try (!) The Bat! v1.44 but it doesn't send my mail. It says: "Server reports error: The response is: Invalid domain name" I purposefully changed my smtp server to an invalid name, the error message TB reported was "Could not connect to the server", not "Invalid domain name". Judging from the error message, the error was given by your server. I.e., your server refused to send your mail because of invalid domain in maybe your From or To address. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME under Win2k -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Can't send mail !!!
Hi anderson, Mind you that when I filter the message sent (through mail filter software, like XRay, for instance), everything is OK. Actually, it doesn't filter anything. I use the mail filter's default configuration. Thanks again. Does XRay allow you to export/log/dump(or whatever) the message it sends to a text file, so you can compare it to the one sent by TB? -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME under Win2k -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Disaster (was Re: censored. (Sorry, Marck))
Hi Daniel, Anyway, this has happened to me, and _it could happen to anybody else_. I would also mention that if this bug was "introduced" in 1.45 beta, then it still exists in the final version. In this case, could you please do us all a favor by telling us what exactly it happened. The story SyP told and your account have some discrepancies, (which is expected; who can tell others' story precisely), and so far we (sorry, I) can see no full picture of what happened. When? (Before upgrade, or after?) How? The "final version" you mentioned is the 1.45 release version (which is what I guessed when I saw your post), or 1.45 S/MIME, which is what you're using. Were there other unusual things when this happened (busy HD activity for an extended period of time, etc.)? If there's a bug, it has to be a very unusual one, since this is the first time we've heard this. The more detail you can give, the more likely RIT could trace it. I'm also very much tempted to reiterate the obvious (b* often), but since you're probably still in a bad mood, and it can't reverse what's happened, I'll stop here. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME under Win2k -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: BUG: no TO field after signing S/MIME + 8 bit
Hi Thomas, S I cannot send S/MIME signed email when high ascii is present in S the TO: field. After finishing the message, it just sits in the S Outbox with no "TO:". Allow a non-beta question: aren't email addresses supposed to not contain any high-ASCII characters? I think SyP is talking about the "real name" part of the "TO:" field. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/11 under Win2k -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: problem with action run external program
Hi Marek, When I run file test.vbs normally from for example wincommander, it is started and window with entered text is displayed. But TB on my PC don't start it. Until beta/5 it doesn't work completely (nothing happens). Now (beta/7) TB display error message during start and shutdown me. Sorry if I'm saying something you've already known. It works in wincommander (or Windows Explorer) is because .vbs is associated with Windows Scripting Host (WScript.exe), and wincommander use the registered program (or more likey, call the system shell) to open (execute) it. VBS file itself is just a data file. The "Run External Program" function in TB's filter seems to be designed to expect applications only, not associated data files. So you'll have to run wscript explicitly as I suggested in the previous post. Also there's no error message at my end, unless through local delivery, as said. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: problem with action run external program
Hi David, Does anyone know if this 'feature' will be enhanced to use the 'associates' as many window apps do. Certainly not me. Now before there is a avalanche of 'oh my god .. don't make this a useful program .. ' let me say that I don't want this to become bloat ware as so many (I am in the process of moving myself and others from Eudora to TheBat) programs have become. BUT if you are going to be in the windows environment there are some things (common ui principles, some functionality such as launching on request) that need to be included. I agree. On second thought, more consideration is needed. The "run external program" function in filter is designed to pass the message (currently being filtered) to an external program as a temporary file (using %1 as the parameter). To accommodate associated data file, TB has to check to make sure no %1 is passed, or know how to pass the parameter. I'm not good enough to know how complicated this will be, but it seems not as straightforward as I thought. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Threading suggestions
Hi Steve, Incorrect. what TB! is this: [example snipped] This is because C3 was posted after AA1 and BA1, therefore on a chronological order, default sort for me, when there is no references to tie it into the other messages, it defaults to the sort order, time, and sorts it in the overall list accordingly. To get it to do the selected behavior would mean changing the sort to subject which then throws new and old messages together. Are we using the same Bat? I just copied all messages since July 6th from my TBUDL/TBBETA folder to a test folder and tested there, in "Thread by Reference" View, sorted by "Received date/time". Under the thread you started with the subject "OK, what am I missing?", I deleted the level 4 message by Katsmeow which changed the subject to "Newbie questions" (yes, I agree TB should start a new thread for it). All its downstream messages (easily distinguishable with its different subject) are still under the same thread, except being promoted one level. Bingo. In fact, recall that we don't delete messages. We copy messages from the current database to the trash database and then, when the program shuts down we remove any messages marked delete in the current database. Assuming of course we have that option checked. We can also force the behavior from the folder menu. Gee, that's exactly what most 'nix clients do now, the difference is, TB! removes references to messages marked as deleted in the list. Ok, so what you want is basically an option to "show deleted messages", right? I would like that, too, plus a way to easily undelete one. Put the "pointless" flagging functionality to use, Steve. Flag the messages you want to delete and delete them manually when you see fit. Sorry, bzzzt, wrong. Correct answer is to remove that god-awful bloat. For people that want flags, here's my answer: Options:Message List Colors:New:Flag, define as you see fit. I use color groups, but I still like flagging for more temporary purposes. Because: 1. You can't assign color with one click. 2. You can hold down the Alt key and click on a flag (any flag) to show all flagged messages in a folder, the same way to find all messages from you by click on your name while holding down the Alt key. You can't do that with colored messages. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: problem with action run external program
Hi David, I'm not sure I would want a filter to automatically run something .. the reason being losing that control over what is started on the machine. This is one of the problems with oe .. viruses spread quickly if things are launched automatically. I'm confused. Isn't it you that want TB to behave as other Windows software does (about launching associated data file)? Anyway, I don't see it as much a problem. If you don't any program run automatically, don't make such a filter. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Threading suggestions
Hi Steve, The expand all threads key is indeed Ctrl-(Numpad)*. No, it is not. It is CNTL-*. How that * is inputted is meaningless so I fail to see why people insist on denoting the Numpad. Because it's Ctrl-(Numpad)*. the Ctrl-(Regular)* (i.e. Ctrl-Shift-*) would not work. If I'm not mistaken, the scan code sent when (Numpad)* is pressed is different from when Shift-8 is sent. Same with some (all?) other Numpad keys. Ah, this is why I asked to see the original since Ming-Li didn't quote this part in her reply. Ehhh, H, A, it's "his". Too bad I don't have a middle name like "Curtis" to use. But then, it's the first time this happened to me. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - bug report
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.45 Beta/6 Serial Number 8645E6FE under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 and would like to report a bug The bug description: Messages with 8-bit characters in the "To:" field corrupt after being moved from one account where "allow 8-bit characters in message header" is enabled, to another account where it's not. Steps to reproduce the bug: 1. Configure two accounts so that one has the option "allow 8-bit characters in message header" enabled (Acc. 1), the other has the same option disabled (Acc. 2). 2. In Acc. 1, create a message and put a name with at least one 8-bit character in the "To:" field. Save the message in the Outbox. 3. Move the message to the Outbox of Acc. 2. Before sending out, export the message to a .msg file and examine it with a text editor, should find the "To:" field is garbled and the keyword "To:" is gone. (Note, it appears ok in the preview pane, including the header.) 4. Send the message out. Despite the fact that the "To:" field is scrambled, it can still reach the intended address. Yet some extra blank lines would be introduced in the header, resulting in part of the header "drifting" into the message body. The following .msg files are attached to this report: 0001.MSG - test message exported from Acc. 1-Outbox 0002.MSG - test message exported from Acc. 2-Outbox 0003.MSG - test message exported from Acc. 2-Inbox Regards, Ming-Li -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org test message body test message body =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Szabolcs_P=E9ter?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit test message body
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hi Marck, Hmmm. Win98SE, bind attachments when sending not checked, default encoding Base64, file attachments stored in message bodies. It's definitely happening here. Another user (Eberhard Hafermalz) and I ran into a similar problem in late May using TB! version 1.42f. According to the bug report I sent the RITLabs, it occurred only when attaching .eml or .msg files (email text files). Both Mime and UUencode methods didn't work, while QP worked. The attachments weren't corrupt either, they just disappeared. That one has been fixed. I'm mentioning it only to let you know that there might be some very obscure conditions where mail attachment might fail. Personally I haven't met one since then, and no other users are reporting similar bugs, which means you might run into a rather obscure bug (potentially). To pinpoint this sort of bugs might be time-consuming at times, but I'm sure RITLabs would be thankful. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Summer time
Hi Graham, Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 06:06:14 -0400 Both of your messages are showing -0400 time zone and the wrong time, though "06:06:14 -0400" indeed equals to "11:06:14 +0100). That's strange, summer time is working properly here in the U.S. (My regular time zone is -0800; now it shows -0700). -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Summer time
Hi Graham, Our internet e-mail gateway is in the USA (New Jersey) Can this account for my problems? I'm not an expert (many others are more competent in answering this), but I don't think so. AFAIK, the "Date:" field in the header is written by your email client and it should make no difference where your gateway is. I just did a little experiment myself. I set my time zone to GMT with summer time enabled, and the message I sent had the "right" Date field as: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:37:35 +0100 Are you sure your computer time is set to the right time zone (please double check in the control panel)? Are you seeing the right time in the system tray? -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hi Leif, It appears that the "Address(es) must be listed in the address book"/"The address entry must belong to groups:" is an OR function to the filter strings. To clarify, here is an example. Sorry, not confirmed. I tried a similar one: String: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Location: Receipient, Presence: Yes String: test, Location: Subject, Presence: Yes Action: Send the message to Trash Advanced option: Address must be in the address book, Item: Sender The address entry must belong to group: Family When I sent myself a test message at "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", it got trashed. When I sent to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", which is a nickname of the same account, it landed in the Inbox untouched. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SOT: Summer time
Hi Tony, The quoting header above is all to cock and we traced this to the fact that, even though my PC is set to GMT, my ISP uses BST and that is what is causing the discrepancy. How your ISP set its clock will affect how it adds the "Received" time to your mail header (see the bunch of "Received:" lines at the top of a message header). I might be wrong but I don't think it has anything to do with the "Date:" field in your mail header. It's done by your email client before sending it out, and I don't think your ISP is going to change that. If you look at the header it says: On 05 July 2000 at 05:58:38 GMT -0400 (which was 10:58 where I live) 05:58:38 GMT -0400 is not 10:58 where I live, there is an hour adrift caused by my ISP using a different time setting. Again, the line you pointed to is done by TB! macros. TB! takes the Date field from the message you're quoting and compute your local time according to the time zone setting of your system. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Split window problem
Hi Allie, I'm unable to adjust the preview window size in this beta when the preview pane is made full-width. Anyone else notice this? No, it's working here. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Summer time
Hi Graham, Wednesday, July 05, 2000, 4:54:45 AM, you wrote: Hello Ming-Li Yep.. just triple checked this. Time now in London (BST) is 12:54:30 (and counting)... Good, now see what's in your header: Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:54:45 +0100 It's correct, isn't it? -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Filter defunctionated
Hi Jast, Just recently, about since June 28, a filter for marking my own messages as unread and with a color group, has stopped working on messages that I send through a mailing list and receive back again. It does work on messages I send myself. Since it works on messages you send to yourself, the filter setting should be fine. To be sure, I've just created a filter exactly as you described, and it does mark your message in both TBBETA and TBUDL as it should. Do you mean the problem occurs only on messages for one particular mailing list, or any mailing list (I'm trying to decipher what "a mailing list" mean). If it's the former, I would check if the list has changed its header. Some mailing lists would strip the original "From" information from the header. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Filter defunctionated
Hi Jast, Morning Ming-Li, Morning. Well, actually I'm just about to sleep. It's 5:30 pm here, But I've been up since midnight. Nope, it happens with all messages sent to and then received by a mailing list, be it TBUDL, TBBETA, or various egroups mailing lists - no difference. None of these lists has changed their header, and it *should* be properly detected. This is what confuses me. That's strange. "Your" filter is still working here. In fact, I almost missed your message because it's marked read already. :) -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Filter defunctionated
Hi Jast, - first filter in list - option checked: continue processing with other filters - actions checked: mark as read, mark with color group "own msgs" One thing just came to mind. Maybe you want to try unckecking the "continue processing with other filters" option, so the messages would stay in the Inbox but should be marked as specified. If they are properly marked in the Inbox, then the culprit lies in some other filter(s) down below. If they're not properly marked even in the Inbox, then that filter itself is the culprit. In that case, I would suggest deleting it and recreate one. Sometimes things are just weird. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: problem moving messages
Hi István, (Sorry if I got your name wrong, your name was not displayed correctly on my system, probably due to conflict with my default system language--Chinese (Taiwan), I hope it return to you as it was) Then, at least as I see it, we have a pretty quirky functionality (message mapping) winning out over a *legitimate* requirement of a user to be able to back up his mails. Unless, of course, he backs up *all* his mail. This, also in my personal opinion, is sloppy functionality. I am not a great programmer myself, but a crew that could write a mailer like this ought to be able to *fully* implement "store in separate directory". I beg to differ here. Maybe I started using email too long ago, when no email client could handle attachments more than saving them as files, I've always consider a saved attachment severed from its original message. Be it a document from my supervisor, or a picture from my mom, I then copy it to where it belongs, and back it up there. If I move the message around in TB!, I don't want its attachments to creep back into it no matter what. Now, my idea of how TB! should handle this apparently differs from yours and Andrew's (and maybe some others'). Someday if RITlab decides to follow your idea and do exactly what you want, I might voice my disagreement, but I won't say it's "sloppy functionality", for it's not fair. AFAIK, there is no email program (on Windows) that does what you say. If it's a wish, I respect it (though I disagree), but if you make it sound like Stefan didn't do his job, then I disagree. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: problem moving messages
Hi SyP, Huh, it never occured to me that a folder can be manpped to multiple accounts in the same time :( Is there anybody using this feature? What's the point? Hehe, I do--to have different "views" (column display, sorting order, etc.) of the same folder. When you have to switch back and forth between two particular settings (each of which would take several steps to set up) for a particular folder, it's quite handy to map it into two "virtual" folders. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
