Re: setting messages display

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Michael,

On Tue, 14 May 2002 05:41:24 GMTGMT (14-5-02, 7:41 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

MLC> I'd  like  to  be  able  to set the display (all messages, only unread
MLC> messages,  &c.) on a per-folder basis, and have the settings stick for
MLC> each folder. Is this possible?

No.

MLC> Almost  as  good  would  be  the  ability to use keyboard shortcuts to
MLC> change  views, but the only one that it seems possible to do this with
MLC> is 'all messages'. Somebody tell me I'm overlooking something, please?

This is no standard option in TB, but it's very easy to create
shortcuts that perform the desired action.
 (View -> Edit shortcuts)

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Re: Easier spam filtering

[Roelof Otten]

Hello James,

On Mon, 13 May 2002 22:08:52 -0400GMT (14-5-02, 4:08 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

JVH> The Bat has so many things, but I feel more concentration on spam
JVH> features is necessary.

I think it has lots of possibilities already.

JVH> 1. The Bat needs a way to a import a large list of spam keywords
JVH> and phrases.

The bigger the list, the easier to trigger non spam messages.

JVH> 2. Yahoo has a one click "Block this sender" feature. The Bat
JVH> needs a one click "This is spam" feature.

Create a spam filter based on an Address Book group, with a click on
the Sender you can add the address to the spam AB group.

JVH> 3. A point system could be implemented. The Bat should count spam
JVH> keywords, and tally up the points. Then automatically direct them
JVH> into folders like:
JVH> Inbox
JVH> Possibly Spam
JVH> Most likely Spam
JVH> Spam Trash

I wouldn't like three spam folders. I hardly get spammed, because I'm
carefull wqhere I publish my address. And that's the best way to
prevent spam.

JVH> 4. All spam should be "marked as read". I don't want to see the
JVH> bat wings flying for incoming spam emails.

That's a simple action that can be added to your spam filter

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setting messages display

[Michael L. Cusac]

I'd  like  to  be  able  to set the display (all messages, only unread
messages,  &c.) on a per-folder basis, and have the settings stick for
each folder. Is this possible?

Almost  as  good  would  be  the  ability to use keyboard shortcuts to
change  views, but the only one that it seems possible to do this with
is 'all messages'. Somebody tell me I'm overlooking something, please?

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Re: Re[3]: 1.60k

[r . burns]

> Seeing as I had to install Rar to unpack 1.60k, can someone in brief
> tell me why Rar instead of WinZip?  Is Rar supposed to be a better
> application?
> 
> -- 
> 
>  Pete
> 

Some small WinRAR online
tutorials:

http://www.uh.edu/infotech/services/documentation/2002/backup/Windows_File_Compression.html

http://riepersnest.tripod.com/rar/index.htm


Randy

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Re: Usage of Read Filter

[John Seymour]

Hello Raj,

Monday, May 13, 2002, 10:13:01 PM, you wrote:
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ACM>> The read filter set is applied automatically on a per message basis.
ACM>> When the message is marked as read, the filters are applied to it when
ACM>> you move to another message.

R> Thanks to one and all for the replies.

R> However  as  someone  mentioned,  it  was  not  triggering when I read it in the
R> preview  pane  (I  read  almost  all mails in that mode). And I did NOT have the
R> option of mark mail as read only when viewed in the preview pane.

R> I guess I will try a reinstall as suggested.

I have been testing this along with common folders (using them for
archive with read filters). I am set up to mark as read in two seconds
in the preview pain. If the message is already marked as read, then
the filter does not pick it up. If I view a new message in the preview
pane, as soon as I move to the next message the e-mail is filtered.

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Re[4]: 1.60k

[Joseph N.]

 Pete Milne wrote on Monday, May 13, 2002:

> Is Rar supposed to be a better application?

Yes.  More reliable, and easier to repair corrupted archives.



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Re[2]: Easier spam filtering

[James Van Horn]

The Bat has so many things, but I feel more concentration on spam features
is necessary.

1. The Bat needs a way to a import a large list of spam keywords and
phrases.

2. Yahoo has a one click "Block this sender" feature. The Bat needs a
one click "This is spam" feature.

3. A point system could be implemented. The Bat should count spam keywords,
and tally up the points. Then automatically direct them into folders like:
Inbox
Possibly Spam
Most likely Spam
Spam Trash

4. All spam should be "marked as read". I don't want to see the bat wings
flying for incoming spam emails.

Thanks,
James



Haico> On 13-5-2002 at 22:44, Haico wrote:

>>> filtering  on  keywords...  making  sure not to filter on words you're
>>> likely  to  receive  in  new  people's  emails.

>> You can also make a filter for those keywords and then direct them to
>> your inbox.. Your own name, name of the company and other keywords
>> which usually comes up in those messages..

Haico> Maybe that would be more suited for the "Sherlock" (process
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Re[2]: Usage of Read Filter

[Raj]

Allie,

On Sun, 12 May 2002, at 07:57:04 [GMT -0500] (which was 6:27 PM where I live) you
wrote:

ACM> The read filter set is applied automatically on a per message basis.
ACM> When the message is marked as read, the filters are applied to it when
ACM> you move to another message.

Thanks to one and all for the replies.

However  as  someone  mentioned,  it  was  not  triggering when I read it in the
preview  pane  (I  read  almost  all mails in that mode). And I did NOT have the
option of mark mail as read only when viewed in the preview pane.

I guess I will try a reinstall as suggested.

Thanks

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Re: 1.60k

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PM> Seeing as I had to install Rar to unpack 1.60k, can someone in
PM> brief tell me why Rar instead of WinZip? Is Rar supposed to be a
PM> better application?

A new Rar is jamming better.

A rare opportunity to be rarely raring with the new and advanced
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Re: 1.60k

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@14 May 2002, 18:14:16 -0600 (01:14 UK time) Pete Milne wrote in
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> Seeing as I had to install Rar to unpack 1.60k, can someone in brief
> tell me why Rar instead of WinZip?  Is Rar supposed to be a better
> application?

It creates a much smaller archive file which, over the many thousands
of TB users who download upgrades, represents a huge saving in
bandwidth for RITlabs.

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Re: Filtering mail lists

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi None,
On Mon, 13 May 2002 19:19:07 -0500, you wrote:

> 1. Set up each account.

Hehe... a given, otherwise you don't get the mail ;)

> 2. Set up a "dummy account" called Unsorted Mail. Just make up
> some bogus email address and then under
> Account//Properties//General//Options check "Ignore Check All
> Requests." Also Check "Mark message as read only when it is
> opened in a separate window."

Why setup a dummy account when TB! supports common folders, aliases, and
advanced filtering?

> 3. Now for each of the "real" account go to Account//Sorting
> Office/Filters//Incoming mail//New and create a filter which
> operates on all mail.  When it is done, hit Ctrl-C to copy it to
> the clip board.  Might want to move it ahead of the Known
> filter just to be picky.  Here is what is in my clipboard when I
> hit Crtl-C:

Why do you want to filter all mail into the unsorted mail box?  Why not just
filter each list on the account it comes into, into the appropriate common
folder?

> Now when you check all your accounts all mail will be transfered
> unread into the Inbox of Unsorted Mail.

No need for this if setup like I mentioned in my email.

> Now Create a Folder outside of any account called Sorted Mail.
> Under it create the various folders that meet your needs, such
> as Mailing Lists, Personal Mail etc etc.

Ahhh... now you're getting somewhere.  I still don't get the whole idea of the
"dummy account" thing.

> While you're at it, create a new folder outside of all accounts
> called Spam.

Always useful to have a spam folder just to dump the rubbish in.  Especially if
you deal with spamcop.net or manually do the abuse tracking.

> Now go in to Unsorted Mail and start setting up all your filters
> under Incoming Mail.  Have a filter at the bottom of the list
> called Spam which transfers all mail to Spam (ie all mail that
> hasn't already been filtered.)

See the thread on filtering that just popped up (Easy Spam Filtering)...
Something about the Sherlock method... eleminate all possible combinations, and
what you get left... must be spam (ie filter out your mailing lists, friends etc
put them into appropriate folders, and the final stuff will more than likely be
spam).
 
> Make sure you have a filter called "Personal Mail" which checks
> the recipient for being one of your email addresses.  You can
> use Alternatives for each account, or else you can set up an
> address book group with your account in it with all your email
> address listed in the entry.

This is the Known filter pre-built into TB! now.  That filter works straight
away for you.  All you need to do is switch it on ;)

> Now with this set up, when you check your mail, all of the mail
> for all accounts will go to Unsorted Mail/Inbox where it will
> stay, unread.  You can peek at it here if you want.  To transfer
> it to the storage folders, right mouse click and hit Re-filter
> messages.  Now the mail will all transfer from your Unsorted
> Mail/Inbox to all your various folders.

If you're doing that method, why not just put your filter on the "On Read"
event?  Would save extra mouse clicks.
 
> Now go check your Spam folder and create additional filters on
> the Unsorted Mail account to file anything you missed.  Repeat.

That's the idea... make sure you're not catching good mail, and make sure you're
catching the bad mail that slipped in.
 
> Kind of a lot of work, but this scenario allows you to set up
> all your email filters in one place rather than having to have
> duplicate filters on each account.

Now I see the idea of this idea.  And yes... a fair bit of work.  I still
believe that just setting the filters on the accounts is just as easy.  Or you
might as well just contact all of your mail providers, and get them to forward
it to one account, then filter from there.

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Re: Secure POP3 FAQ needed

[MikeM]

On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 at 8:36 PM Peter Palmreuther wrote:
|
|KG> have also heard that one can create his own certificate using OpenSSL.
|
|You will not need to build a certificate.
|You'll only need the public part of servers key to have imported into your
|address book into 'Trusted Root CA' part.
|
|If your University does not offer to download the public key you can 'work
|around' this.
|
|Fetch OpenSSL compiled for Win32 from
|http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/beta/openssl.rar
|Unrar it and open a command line shell (command.com or cmd.exe).
|
|Use this command from openssl-directory you extracted the content from
|RAR-archive to to connect to the server:
|
|openssl s_client -connect : -showcerts
|
| is usually 995 for POP3-over-SSL,  you really should
|know best :-)
|
|Some stuff appears on screen. Then .. suddenly there's a line starting:
|
|-BEGIN CERTIFICATE-
|
|>From _this line_, including it, until
|
|-END CERTIFICATE-
|
|also _including_, copy the whole block and save it with the help of
|Notepad, or any text editor of your choice, to a new text file.
|Call it to you preferences, but I'd suggest you make it's extension to
|'.pem'
|
|Now open up your TB!'s AB and go to 'Trusted Root CA'.
|Create a new contact, enter informations to your like.
|Enter the 'Certificates' tab and 'Import' the file you've just created.
|Save this new 'contact'.
|
|Enter the server settings of your mail account belonging to this server.
|At 'Transport' section change it to use 'Secure to dedicated port (TLS)'.
|
|You should be done. If not: copy the error message from log file
|(++A) and paste it here so we maybe can give further hints.
|
|KG> Maybe they could even post an FAQ sheet?
|
|Not yet :-) I'll need some _spare_ time for that :-)))
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Might it be possible to incorporate this behavior into TB, so that when it discovers a 
secure server; it gets the certificate, displays it and prompts me if I want to save 
the certificate?

While the above works, it does seem like a lot to ask an end-user to do, especially 
when other [inferior] email clients do it as I suggested.





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Re: Filtering mail lists

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Hello Ray,

Monday, May 13, 2002, 6:00:30 PM, you wrote:


RD> I belong to several mail lists - as a subscriber - and I have four
RD> different email accounts which the various mail lists are spread about.

RD> The way my present email app is set up, all four accounts are downloaded
RD> at the same time and mail list items are filtered into the relevant box
RD> (or folder) as they are downloaded.

RD> I have a common folder to all the accounts called 'Mail Lists' and this
RD> contains a folder for each list. Filtering is done on the Reply To header
RD> and the mail goes into the relevant folder for that list.

RD> Also, if I have a mail list folder selected and I then click on the
RD> 'Compose new email' icon, then the new email is set up with the correct
RD> outgoing email address for that mail list and my correct email address
RD> and sig file for that list.

RD> How do I do all the above in The Bat? So far it's eluded me. The only
RD> mail list help I can find refers to using The Bat as a server, which
RD> isn't what I want. I've investigated the Sorting Office but can't quite
RD> get my head around it - and also can't find a way of getting it to sort
RD> on ALL accounts and not just the Inbox of individual accounts.


You have the same situation as I do, here is what I've learned
and here is the approach I am currently using.

1. Set up each account.

2. Set up a "dummy account" called Unsorted Mail. Just make up
some bogus email address and then under
Account//Properties//General//Options check "Ignore Check All
Requests." Also Check "Mark message as read only when it is
opened in a separate window."

3. Now for each of the "real" account go to Account//Sorting
Office/Filters//Incoming mail//New and create a filter which
operates on all mail.  When it is done, hit Ctrl-C to copy it to
the clip board.  Might want to move it ahead of the Known
filter just to be picky.  Here is what is in my clipboard when I
hit Crtl-C:

BeginFilter
Name: All Mail
Active: 1
Source: \\None\Inbox
Target: \\Unsorted Mail\Inbox
CopyFolder: none
MainSet: 00
Actions:
AddGroups:
DelGroups:
ForwardTemplate:
ConfirmTemplate:
ReplyTemplate:
FwdAddr:
RedirectAddr:
NewAddr:
NewTemplate:
ExtCmd:
ExtFile:
ExtractDir:
ColourGroup: 
AddAddrItems: afiFrom,
DelAddrItems: afiFrom,
HotKey: 0
IsOfColour: 
SizeBigger: 0
SizeSmaller: 0
AgeOlder: 0
AgeNewer: 0
InAddrPos: 0
OutAddrPos: 0
InAddrGroups:
NoAddrGroups:
KillFile:
KillMethod: 0
SaveTemplate:
SndFile:
SysSound: 0
SoundTime: 0:00-0:00
AllowTime: 0:00-0:00
EndFilter


Now go to each account and open up Account//Sorting
Office/Filters//Incoming mail and hit Crtl-V to paste the filter
in.

Now when you check all your accounts all mail will be transfered
unread into the Inbox of Unsorted Mail.

Now Create a Folder outside of any account called Sorted Mail.
Under it create the various folders that meet your needs, such
as Mailing Lists, Personal Mail etc etc.

While you're at it, create a new folder outside of all accounts
called Spam.

Now go in to Unsorted Mail and start setting up all your filters
under Incoming Mail.  Have a filter at the bottom of the list
called Spam which transfers all mail to Spam (ie all mail that
hasn't already been filtered.)

Make sure you have a filter called "Personal Mail" which checks
the recipient for being one of your email addresses.  You can
use Alternatives for each account, or else you can set up an
address book group with your account in it with all your email
address listed in the entry.

Now with this set up, when you check your mail, all of the mail
for all accounts will go to Unsorted Mail/Inbox where it will
stay, unread.  You can peek at it here if you want.  To transfer
it to the storage folders, right mouse click and hit Re-filter
messages.  Now the mail will all transfer from your Unsorted
Mail/Inbox to all your various folders.

Now go check your Spam folder and create additional filters on
the Unsorted Mail account to file anything you missed.  Repeat.

Kind of a lot of work, but this scenario allows you to set up
all your email filters in one place rather than having to have
duplicate filters on each account.

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Re[3]: 1.60k

[Pete Milne]

Replying to your message of Monday, May 13, 2002, 6:08:23 PM:


Seeing as I had to install Rar to unpack 1.60k, can someone in brief
tell me why Rar instead of WinZip?  Is Rar supposed to be a better
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Re[2]: 1.60k

[Pete Milne]

Replying to your message of Monday, May 13, 2002, 5:46:58 PM:

M> If this is a rar file (which contains only exe file), from the beta
M> page, then just unrar it and copy over old thebat.exe file. (You could
M> rename old thebat.exe in tb160h.exe instead copy over it, though.)


Ok, piece of cake.  I am hoping this upgrade won't make me lose data,
screw up things or make me sterile.  Yes, I just backed up my data.

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Re: 1.60k

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On Mon, 13 May 2002, at 16:17:40 -0600 Pete wrote:

PM> I am now downloading The Bat! 1.60k  Is this a wise thing to do or
PM> should I say a step up from 'h'?

Ah... :-)

PM> Should I uninstall 'h' and then install 'k' or just install over it?

If this is a rar file (which contains only exe file), from the beta
page, then just unrar it and copy over old thebat.exe file. (You could
rename old thebat.exe in tb160h.exe instead copy over it, though.)

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Re: MAPI problem

[Tim Musson]

Hey Roberto,

My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60h) Personal
to write the following on Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 8:08:38 PM.

>> How can you tell that all the mail is being sent to your palm each
>> time?  Is there a log that lists each msg that is sync'd?

RB> By  the  timings I took with both Eudora and The Bat!, using the
RB> same mailbox (all messages are read, deleted all messages in the
RB> Palm unit before hotsync'n w/ each email proggie).

RB> Eudora 1st hotsync: 3min17s
RB> Eudora 2nd hotsync: 2s
RB> The Bat! 1st hotsync: 3min18s
RB> The Bat! 2nd hotsync: 3min18s

RB> That's  why I think that I'm having every message sent everytime
RB> I hotsync with The Bat!.

Was TB the 'active' 'top' application on the desktop?
How much mail is being synced?
I usually have 30-40 msgs, and it only takes a couple of seconds to
update each time (but it is generally over a min *if* TB is not the
active application).

>> I have noticed a couple of oddities

>> 1. You want to have TB the active window during the mail sync, or it
>>is 4-5 times slower. I think this is an issue with how TB has
>>implemented MAPI? but am not sure.

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Re: Back with the Bat! and a menu question

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On Mon, 13 May 2002, at 22:21:24 +0200 Gerrit wrote:

DE>> List-post:
DE>> List-archive:

GK> Is there a way for me to include these fields into the headers of my mail? I run a
GK> mailinglist with the bat, but cannot find macros for these fields.

I think you can do that with X-Ray Mail Assistant with {in|out}going
mail. This program is anyway written for TB, as I know.

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Re: Filtering mail lists

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi Ray,
On Tue, 14 May 2002 00:00:30 +0100, you wrote:

> The way my present email app is set up, all four accounts are downloaded
> at the same time and mail list items are filtered into the relevant box
> (or folder) as they are downloaded. 

Not too difficult to do.  Right mouse button click anywhere in the tree list,
select new, then common folder... call it mailing lists (or whatever).  You now
have a common folder to start with.  Repeat the procedure for each of your
lists.  Next if you want those folders to appear under your mailing list
folders, use the move in/out function (CTRL SHIFT left/right arrow).  You should
then be able to move it into the mailing lists folder.

> I have a common folder to all the accounts called 'Mail Lists' and this
> contains a folder for each list. Filtering is done on the Reply To header
> and the mail goes into the relevant folder for that list.

For the filtering, Account - Sorting Offices - Select the Incoming folder, and
click new.  Look on the right hand side, and you should know have the basics for
setting up rules.  Give it a useful name, then choose where you want it to be
moved to, then set the rules down the bottom.  If I've lost you here, click on
the help button, the images are pretty helpful in there.

> Also, if I have a mail list folder selected and I then click on the
> 'Compose new email' icon, then the new email is set up with the correct
> outgoing email address for that mail list and my correct email address
> and sig file for that list.

Yes you can do this... they're called folder templates, but as I'm sure you're
about to find out... they're not recommended by some of the people on the list,
as it's easy to select the wrong folder.  The easiest, and safest is the Address
Book Template.  Create a new address book entry for each list.  Include the
email addresses for the lists etc.  Now click on the "New" tab you should see in
the address item page.  Now create your template in there.  If you want to use a
specific sig file, just use the macros listed under the macro button (again if
I've lost you, the help button is great here).


> I've looked at the FAQ and it doesn't appear to answer what I want to do.

I hope this is a start.  I'm sure many more will post more technical details. 
But for now, I have done that off the top of my head, as I am at home, and I
don't run Windows here.

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Filtering mail lists

[Ray Dawson]

I'm new to The Bat and I'm trying to get it to behave as my email
application on another platform.

I belong to several mail lists - as a subscriber - and I have four
different email accounts which the various mail lists are spread about.

The way my present email app is set up, all four accounts are downloaded
at the same time and mail list items are filtered into the relevant box
(or folder) as they are downloaded. 

I have a common folder to all the accounts called 'Mail Lists' and this
contains a folder for each list. Filtering is done on the Reply To header
and the mail goes into the relevant folder for that list.

Also, if I have a mail list folder selected and I then click on the
'Compose new email' icon, then the new email is set up with the correct
outgoing email address for that mail list and my correct email address
and sig file for that list.

How do I do all the above in The Bat? So far it's eluded me. The only
mail list help I can find refers to using The Bat as a server, which
isn't what I want. I've investigated the Sorting Office but can't quite
get my head around it - and also can't find a way of getting it to sort
on ALL accounts and not just the Inbox of individual accounts.

Any help greatfully received as I want to use the Bat, but I'm finding it
difficult to set up.

I've looked at the FAQ and it doesn't appear to answer what I want to do.

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Re[3]: All the meail in my inbox has disappeared!

[Spike]

Hello Michael David,

Monday, May 13, 2002, 5:12:09 PM, in a galaxy far, far away, Michael wrote:

Michael David> And,  I'm  pretty sure that all the mail
Michael David> disappeared immediately after an  Access Violation
Michael David> error, and this was not the result of my somehow
Michael David> deleting  the messages. I get Access Violation
Michael David> errors a few times each day.  I'd  be interested
Michael David> to know if others are still getting these as well.

I used to get these Access Violation errors after repeated use of
IE on a Win98SE installation with TB! V1.53d.  IE has a known
(and severe) memory "leak" which can cause memory access errors
over time.  Since I have upgraded to Win2K, these have all
disappeared. This machine has 1GB of RAM, so how can one "run
out" of system resources or memory with that much installed?

I haven't rebooted this system since I installed Win2K, which was
5 days ago.  This is far better than my previous experience of 2
to 3 (forced) reboots a day on average with Win98SE!

The worst situation I faced in Win98SE was a cross connection of
messages with the wrong body text.  Shutting down and rebooting,
then restarting TB! corrected the errors each time.

Much has been said about it not being "wise" to upgrade Win98SE
to Win2K, but I have had few problems, and all were cured by
simply re-installing the software affected.  I only had to
uninstall and re-install one package, notably Roxio Easy CD
Creator.  This was recommended, but I failed to do so, much to my
own peril!  Live and learn!

Michael David> And, you are right - I should archive older messages. :)

Yes, as everyone should ;-)


I will not deviate further off-topic, but thought my experiences
with the OS change would be educational.

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1.60k

[Pete Milne]

Replying to your message of Monday, May 13, 2002, 7:19:54 AM:


I am now downloading The Bat! 1.60k  Is this a wise thing to do or
should I say a step up from 'h'?

Should I uninstall 'h' and then install 'k' or just install over it?

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Re[2]: All the meail in my inbox has disappeared!

[Michael David]

Hi Roelof!

The  messages that came back, after rebuilding the .tbi file were only
those  that  I  had expected; no perviously filtered or deleted emails
showed up.

And,  I'm  pretty sure that all the mail disappeared immediately after
an  Access  Violation error, and this was not the result of my somehow
deleting  the messages. I get Access Violation errors a few times each
day.  I'd  be  interested to know if others are still getting these as
well.

I  do  compress all folders, from time to time. I've also not seen any
significant  delay  on  larger  folders,  but  this  is  a pretty fast
machine, so that may be why.

And, you are right - I should archive older messages. :)

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Monday, May 13, 2002, 12:17:08 PM, you wrote:


> Since all of your messages that were deleted (or filtered to other
> folders) should have become visible too, you should delete them again
> and select from the menu: Folder - Compress all folders.
> That diminishes the size of your inbox and prevent the problem from
> occurring again.
> Might your inbox still be excessively big, I'd suggest that you start
> archiving the messages into different folders and afterwards compress
> your inbox again. I don't know what's the actual limit for the folder
> contents in TB, but I have found for myself that large folders take
> lot more time to be opened than smaller ones. I use 5000 msg's (or 20
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Re: Quote in a box

[Peter Fjelsten]

Marck,

On 03-05-2002 22:22, you wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
M> It's a couple of quick templates:

Thanks for those. Is there any way to reflow a vry long line
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like to make it reflow automatically within the box - but that is
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Re: Back with the Bat! and a menu question

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Gerrit,

On Mon, 13 May 2002 22:21:24 +0200GMT (13-5-02, 22:21 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

DE>> The options are not gray out when the correct header is present in the
DE>> message.
DE>> List-help:
DE>> List-unsubscribe:
DE>> List-subscribe:

GK> Is there a way for me to include these fields into the headers of
GK> my mail? I run a mailinglist with the bat, but cannot find macros
GK> for these fields.

Can't add them with TB.


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Re: Easier spam filtering

[Haico]

On 13-5-2002 at 22:44, Haico wrote:

>> filtering  on  keywords...  making  sure not to filter on words you're
>> likely  to  receive  in  new  people's  emails.

> You can also make a filter for those keywords and then direct them to
> your inbox.. Your own name, name of the company and other keywords
> which usually comes up in those messages..

Maybe that would be more suited for the "Sherlock" (process
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Re: middle mouse button scrolling

[Mandara]

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On Mon, 13 May 2002, at 07:02:10 -0700 Nick wrote:

NA> Who knows... one day RITLabs may fix the bug. ;o)

But, if this is just another improvement (in the art of scrolling, in
this case) and a matter of (an enhanced) new conception... 

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Re: Easier spam filtering

[Haico]

On 13-5-2002 at 22:10, Jonathan Angliss wrote:

Hi Jonathan,

> filtering  on  keywords...  making  sure not to filter on words you're
> likely  to  receive  in  new  people's  emails.

You can also make a filter for those keywords and then direct them to
your inbox.. Your own name, name of the company and other keywords
which usually comes up in those messages..

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Re: Easier spam filtering

[Lars Geiger]

Hi John,
On Monday, May 13, 2002 at 15:08:37 [GMT -0500], you wrote:

> One easy way is to filer mail with your email address as the recipient.

> [...]

> Most spam does not have your actual email address in the To field.

That is one way to do it. You could also make use of the new $KNOWN$
folder and the corresponding filter, although this isn't an option for
someone who is contacted by unknown people on a regular basis.


Some people also filter on HTML content in e-mails! ;-)


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Re[2]: middle mouse button scrolling

[Spike]

Hello Peter Fjelsten,

Monday, May 13, 2002, 2:02:55 PM, in a galaxy far, far away,
Peter wrote:

Peter Fjelsten> Spike,

Peter Fjelsten> On 13-05-2002 20:45, you wrote in 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
S>> Hello Peter FjelstenPeter,

Peter Fjelsten> It's just Peter Fjelsten :)

Oops, macro was doubled in error!  Corrected now.

S>> I think we're looking at a "bug" in the Microsoft driver, as if I
S>> use it, the problem occurs, if I use Logitech driver it goes
S>> away!  May I suggest we not confuse shoddy MicroShaft code with
S>> TB! code?? ;-)

Peter Fjelsten> Oups, sorry.

No problem!  Miscellaneous useless information macros added below!
;-)

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RE: Re[2]: Easier spam filtering

[John Bohumil]

Title: RE: Re[2]: Easier spam filtering






One easy way is to filer mail with your email address as the recipient.  Another more advanced technique I am starting to make use of is to add my multiple email addresses to my entry in my address book.  Since an address book entry can have multiple email addresses, this is handy.  You can add this address to a "Group" and using the advanced filtering options filter all email whose recipient address is in your "me" Group to a special folder.  This works slick, because it's easier to add new addresses to the Address Book list than to create a bunch of additional filter strings, at least for me :)  Most spam does not have your actual email address in the To field.


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From:   James Van Horn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Monday, May 13, 2002 3:01 PM
To: Jonathan Angliss
Subject:    Re[2]: Easier spam filtering

Hi Jonathan,

  I don't understand. How could I possibly filter all of the good mail?
I run a business and am contacted by new people all the time.

Thanks,
James

Jonathan> On Monday, May 13, 2002, Marck D Pearlstone wrote...

>> The simplest and most effective spam filter is the "Sherlock" (process
>> of elimination) method as originally suggested by Steve Lamb and
>> explained by Allie Martin:

Jonathan> Process of elimination works very well... until you start getting spam
Jonathan> in  mailing lists ;) I do fully agree with the idea though. Filter all
Jonathan> the   good   mail   into  your  mail  folder  (like  friends,  family,
Jonathan> colleagues), then filter lists, mail shots you requested etc, then the
Jonathan> rest  should simply be spam. But as I said, this is all okay in theory
Jonathan> until you start getting spam in your list boxes. I have to put my spam
Jonathan> filters  above all but this mailing list. I match on key subjects, and
Jonathan> phrases.



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Re: Back with the Bat! and a menu question

[Gerrit Kiers]

 Hello batters,

Monday, May 13, 2002, 2:05:04 PM, David Elliott wrote:

DE> The options are not gray out when the correct header is present in the
DE> message.

DE> List-help:
DE> List-unsubscribe:
DE> List-subscribe:
DE> List-owner:
DE> List-post:
DE> List-archive:

Is there a way for me to include these fields into the headers of my mail? I run a
mailinglist with the bat, but cannot find macros for these fields.

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Re: Easier spam filtering

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Monday, May 13, 2002, Marck D Pearlstone wrote...

> Hi Jonathan,

> Best  thing  there  is to put pressure on the ML admins to close the
> list  and  restrict  posting  to subscribers only. More and more are
> going that way all the time. We've always done that here.

Oh I understand that, but all of those lists that get hit by spam have
to  be  publicly  postable. For example [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a support
mailing  list.  We  get  at least 5 pieces of spam in there a day. And
some of the other ones need to be publicly postable too because of the
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Re: Easier spam filtering

[Allie C Martin]

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JVH> I don't understand. How could I possibly filter all of the good
JVH> mail? I run a business and am contacted by new people all the
JVH> time.

A good penultimate filter would be one that filters messages directly
addressed to you or your business.

A large quantity of spam aren't addressed directly to the recipient.

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Re: Easier spam filtering

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Jonathan,

@13 May 2002, 14:40:15 -0500 (20:40 UK time) Jonathan Angliss wrote in
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> Process of elimination works very well... until you start getting
> spam in  mailing lists ;)

Best thing there is to put pressure on the ML admins to close the list
and restrict posting to subscribers only. More and more are going that
way all the time. We've always done that here.

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Re: Easier spam filtering

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Monday, May 13, 2002, Allie C Martin wrote...

> That's an exceptional circumstance.

An exceptional circumstance that hits erm... about 9 of my mailing
lists ;)  But they they're all high profile (see www.undernet.org).

> At present my filter setup catches 99.99% of my spam messages
> (~12/day) and an occasional legitimate message.

lol... ~12? hehehehe... lucky you ;)  I processed 30 before I left for
work this morning... and that was between the hours of 12:30am and
5:00am :)

> Creating a new filter for each spam message is a tedious effort and
> places a lot of overhead on message processing when so many filter
> rules are present.

I know, which is why you can assign OR conditions to the filters...
not a separate filter then... well... not technically anyway.

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Re: Easier spam filtering

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Monday, May 13, 2002, James Van Horn wrote...

> Hi Jonathan,

> I  don't  understand.  How  could  I possibly filter all of the good
> mail? I run a business and am contacted by new people all the time.

Most  of  the  time,  a nice quick and easy way to get rid of a lot of
mail,  is check to make sure you're in the TO field. I'm assuming most
new  people would contact you directly, as with colleagues and such. A
lot  of  the  spam  I receive isn't even addressed to me... or doesn't
even  come  with  a TO or CC field (magic ;)). Another way is to start
filtering  on  keywords...  making  sure not to filter on words you're
likely  to  receive  in  new  people's  emails.  Common  ones  include
"credit",  "debt",  "mortgage",  "adult", "xxx", "porn" etc. These are
okay unless you work in a credit agency that specializes mortgages ;)

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Re[2]: Easier spam filtering

[James Van Horn]

Hi Jonathan,

  I don't understand. How could I possibly filter all of the good mail?
I run a business and am contacted by new people all the time.

Thanks,
James

Jonathan> On Monday, May 13, 2002, Marck D Pearlstone wrote...

>> The simplest and most effective spam filter is the "Sherlock" (process
>> of elimination) method as originally suggested by Steve Lamb and
>> explained by Allie Martin:

Jonathan> Process of elimination works very well... until you start getting spam
Jonathan> in  mailing lists ;) I do fully agree with the idea though. Filter all
Jonathan> the   good   mail   into  your  mail  folder  (like  friends,  family,
Jonathan> colleagues), then filter lists, mail shots you requested etc, then the
Jonathan> rest  should simply be spam. But as I said, this is all okay in theory
Jonathan> until you start getting spam in your list boxes. I have to put my spam
Jonathan> filters  above all but this mailing list. I match on key subjects, and
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Re: Easier spam filtering

[Allie C Martin]

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Jonathan Angliss [JA] wrote:
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JA> Process of elimination works very well... until you start getting
JA> spam in mailing lists ;) I do fully agree with the idea though.
JA> Filter all the good mail into your mail folder (like friends,
JA> family, colleagues), then filter lists, mail shots you requested
JA> etc, then the rest should simply be spam. But as I said, this is
JA> all okay in theory until you start getting spam in your list
JA> boxes. I have to put my spam filters above all but this mailing
JA> list. I match on key subjects, and phrases.

That's an exceptional circumstance.

At present my filter setup catches 99.99% of my spam messages
(~12/day) and an occasional legitimate message.

Creating a new filter for each spam message is a tedious effort and
places a lot of overhead on message processing when so many filter
rules are present.

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Re: Message list highlight - Newbie

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Monday, May 13, 2002, John Harned wrote...

> TB!  seems  to  properly order messages in folder message lists, but
> the  highlight  doesn't  automatically  go  to  the top of the order
> selected.  Also,  when I move from folder to folder it seems that if
> there is more than one page of messages, the list is always scrolled
> well down into the list. Is there some way to force the highlight to
> go to the top of the order which has been selected? I'm using 1.60c.

>From what I can see... TB! seems to remember what message you selected
in each folder when you move to another one. So if you select the last
message,  and jump to another folder, when you go back, it'll have the
last message selected.

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[regex-tutorial]: Part 1

[Gerd Ewald]

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Hi Bats(wo)men,

some days ago Daniel Grunberg asked for an English version of a
tutorial on regular expressions (TBTECH,
) which I published on
www.pro-privacy.de for the German beginners list.

First thing I did was a mail to Marck to find out whether there is
some interest in a translation.

Well, here it is. At least the first part. Marck checked the text and
transformed it into something you can read. Thank you, Marck! (My
translation was something between the following text and a translation
altavista did, hehe).

The whole tutorial will be subdivided in five parts. It will take some
time to prepare the next part, so you have to wait one or two weeks
for the next part to be published. Sorry! Anyway, we decided to
publish it in parts, so you can start learning regexian and you have a
chance to ask questions for better understanding.

Any part is posted to TBUDL using a special subject ("[regex
tutorial]") so that those of you who don't want to read it may define
a filter to kill the mail. Please use the same prefix in your subject
for any reply.

The tutorial is published on www.pro-privacy.de (look there for
"special") and on Marck's official FAQ at
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html


Ok, that's it. Let's start. I hope you will enjoy the tutorial :-)


START OF PART 1 ==

1. Introduction

Whenever I came across something interesting in a mail that was
created with TheBat! like "cleaned" Subject-strings or automagically
deleted PGP-lines, I would ask in one of the mailing lists: "How did
you do that?". Quite often I would receive a reply like "You will need
a regex for that!" And sometimes the result was something like:

%QUOTES="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(-BEGIN PGP
SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(- --|--\n|-BEGIN PGP
SIGNATURE)|\z)""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3"""

This is only a simple example of those cryptic looking combinations of
TB!-Macros and regular expressions which are simply called "regex" by
the TB-experts. To me it seemed a random sequence of characters; as if
a cat walked across my keyboard. Awkward, arbitrary and cryptic, that
at least was my impression until Januk Aggarwal (special thanks to
him) gave me a short introduction to regex at TBTECH and my workmate
Alfred Rübartsch gave me a copy of Jeffrey Friedls excellent book
"Mastering Regular Expressions".

Although I entered the fascinating world of Regular Expression with
the help of these two, I am still not an expert in the "regexian"
language. Anyway, as an advanced beginner, I have dared to write this
tutorial to hopefully explain some things and give a good start in
"Regular Expressions" to other beginners.

This tutorial is meant to bring you into closer contact with the regex
topic. Well, let's see how it works; let's see whether we will be able
to explain the "regex"-example above by the time we come to the end of
this tutorial.


2. Regular Expressions

2.1. What does "Regular Expression" mean?

Regex are not only used in TB! You can find them in quite a lot of
different UNIX-tools (e.g. grep), in some programming languages like
PERL (Practical Extraction and Report Language, sometimes called
'Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister' ) and even my editor
UltraEdit uses them.

Laura Lemay wrote in her book "PERL in 21 days" that the term "Regular
Expression" makes no sense at first sight (to be honest: even at
second sight it still makes no sense to me), because these are not
real expressions and furthermore no one really can explain why they
are "regular"! Well, let's ignore this; let's simply accept that the
term "Regular Expression" has its origin in formal algebra and that
they are indeed part of Mathematics.

The easiest and most convenient way to define "Regular Expression" is
to say: "They are search patterns to match characters in strings."

Those of you who have tried to find files using the DOS command line
or the search function in the Explorer may have used patterns like:

dir *.doc
copy *.??t c:\temp

These examples show patterns that consist of letters, stars, question
marks and other characters to define which files should be listed or
copied. In the first example only files that have the suffix "doc"
should be listed. In the second example only files that have a
three-letter suffix and a "t" as last character in the suffix should
be copied.

But these regex are merely wildcards! In no way as mighty as "Regular
Expressions". One can't compare them to real regex, which offer much
more than wildcards for characters.


3. Simple Patterns

To explain some regular expressions and to understand the examples
given in this tutorial we have to define how the regex will appear. I
will envelope the regular expression in quotation marks ("). If you
want to test the regex you will have to copy the part between the
"-characters. Testing regular expressions? Yes, sure, this is
possible.

You have to downlo

Re: Easier spam filtering

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi James,

@13 May 2002, 14:49:26 -0400 (19:49 UK time) James Van Horn wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Currently, it takes a Ctrl-Shift-F plus 6 clicks to create a spam
> filter for a given spam message.

> Please tell me there is an easier way!  Last year I received 50,000+
> emails.

The simplest and most effective spam filter is the "Sherlock" (process
of elimination) method as originally suggested by Steve Lamb and
explained by Allie Martin:

- ---8<
The easiest way to get rid of spam is by first excluding all mail that
is legitimately for you and then simply considering the rest spam.
With this method you hardly ever get legitimate mail ending up in the
spam folder or spam ending up in the inbox.

Order is important since TB processes filters from the top down.

First create filters for all your regular legitimate mail.

Then create a filter to place all other messages addressed to you in
the inbox or some other created 'sundry' folder.

Then create the spam filter, which should be the last filter in the
list. Set it up to place the rest of messages that do not satisfy any
of the other previous filter rules in a spam folder.

Typically this will be:

String: e, location: Kludges, Presence: Yes.

With this setup I assure you that your inbox will be clean. Very few
spammers address messages directly to you and that's the reason why
this method works so well. If the message is not from x, y, z, etc or
it's not addressed directly to me, then it MUST be spam. :)

You can very likely add some general spam filters for spam messages
addressed to you based on subject content.

I would also recommend that you make use of the spamcop service
http://spamcop.net. After a few months of use, incoming spam has
dropped from five per day to one or two per week. When spammers
realize that your address is one of those responsible for getting them
kicked off their current ISP, they soon take it off the list!
- ---8<

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Re: Easier spam filtering

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Monday, May 13, 2002, Marck D Pearlstone wrote...

> The simplest and most effective spam filter is the "Sherlock" (process
> of elimination) method as originally suggested by Steve Lamb and
> explained by Allie Martin:

Process of elimination works very well... until you start getting spam
in  mailing lists ;) I do fully agree with the idea though. Filter all
the   good   mail   into  your  mail  folder  (like  friends,  family,
colleagues), then filter lists, mail shots you requested etc, then the
rest  should simply be spam. But as I said, this is all okay in theory
until you start getting spam in your list boxes. I have to put my spam
filters  above all but this mailing list. I match on key subjects, and
phrases.


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Message list highlight - Newbie

[John Harned]

TB! seems to properly order messages in folder message
lists, but the highlight doesn't automatically go to the top
of the order selected. Also, when I move from folder to
folder it seems that if there is more than one page of
messages, the list is always scrolled well down into the
list. Is there some way to force the highlight to go to the
top of the order which has been selected? I'm using 1.60c.

Thanks, John

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Re: Hello, is this mic on?

[Roelof Otten]

Hello James,

On Mon, 13 May 2002 14:36:10 -0400GMT (13-5-02, 20:36 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

JVH> Did I sign up corectly?  Anyone here?

There's plenty of us over here.


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Easier spam filtering

[James Van Horn]

OK, guys, I need your help.

Currently, it takes a Ctrl-Shift-F plus 6 clicks to create a spam filter
for a given spam message.

Please tell me there is an easier way!  Last year I received 50,000+
emails.
   

Thanks,
James

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Re: middle mouse button scrolling

[Peter Fjelsten]

Spike,

On 13-05-2002 20:45, you wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
S> Hello Peter FjelstenPeter,

It's just Peter Fjelsten :)

S> I think we're looking at a "bug" in the Microsoft driver, as if I
S> use it, the problem occurs, if I use Logitech driver it goes
S> away!  May I suggest we not confuse shoddy MicroShaft code with
S> TB! code?? ;-)

Oups, sorry.

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Re[2]: middle mouse button scrolling

[Spike]

Hello Peter FjelstenPeter,

Monday, May 13, 2002, 12:36:07 PM, in a galaxy far, far away, Peter wrote:

Peter Fjelsten> Allie,

Peter Fjelsten> On 12-05-2002 22:55, you wrote in 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
A>> I've never noticed the problem though I'm using a Logitech MouseMan
A>> Optical.

Peter Fjelsten> Me neither and I am using a cheap Medion cordless mouse.


I think we're looking at a "bug" in the Microsoft driver, as if I
use it, the problem occurs, if I use Logitech driver it goes
away!  May I suggest we not confuse shoddy MicroShaft code with
TB! code?? ;-)

My Toshiba mouse driver on my laptop also performs normally (3
lines at-a-time) as well.

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Hello, is this mic on?

[James Van Horn]

Did I sign up corectly?  Anyone here?

Thanks,
James



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Re[2]: Usage of Read Filter

[Ricardo M. Reyes]

El lunes 13 de mayo de 2002, 9.22, Peter Palmreuther decía:

RMR>> but only when you read the message in a separate window. It's not
RMR>> launched when you read the message in the preview pane,

PP> Plainly wrong.

well, since everyone except my mother told me I was absolutely wrong
but TB still didn't trigger the filters when I read the messages in
the preview pane... I decided to wipe out TB and reinstall it.

I backed up the registry configuration, reinstalled and restored the
registry, but the problem persisted.

I deleted it again, reinstalled without restoring the registry, set
the options by hand, and now it works.

PP> Have a look at 'Account' / 'Properties' / 'Options' / 'Mark message as read
PP> only when it is open in a separate window' ... is it checked? 

no, it wasn't and it isn't checked. The messages get marked as read by
having them in the preview pane for 2 seconds.

PP> So ... all in all a really complex thing of several conditions and
PP> possibilities, but nevertheless working as expected :-)

yes, now.
but before there was something in the configuration (I don't know
what) that prevented it from working.

Thanks for the help anyway.

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Re[2]: Back with the Bat! and a menu question

[Michael Kreyling]

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Hello Ray,

On Monday, May 13, 2002, at 2:03:57 PM, Ray Dawson wrote this after talking
to me on the radio:

RD> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
RD>Nick Andriash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Krister, v1.60H is buggy. Go to the Beta site and download v1.60K as it'
>> the latest fixed version.

RD> Where is the beta site?

RD> I'm trying The Bat 1.60h for the first time and it does seem to have a
RD> few idiocyncracies which may be bugs. I don't mind a beta version if it
RD> sorts a few problems - although some are obviously down to my lack of
RD> knowledge.

RD> I also note from your sig that 1.60i is the current version, but 1.60h
is
RD> the one on the web site.

RD> Cheers,

RD> Ray D


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The beta site is here.
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Re: Back with the Bat! and a menu question

[Ray Dawson]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
   Nick Andriash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Krister, v1.60H is buggy. Go to the Beta site and download v1.60K as it'
> the latest fixed version.

Where is the beta site? 

I'm trying The Bat 1.60h for the first time and it does seem to have a
few idiocyncracies which may be bugs. I don't mind a beta version if it
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knowledge.

I also note from your sig that 1.60i is the current version, but 1.60h is
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Re: middle mouse button scrolling

[Peter Fjelsten]

Allie,

On 12-05-2002 22:55, you wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
A> I've never noticed the problem though I'm using a Logitech MouseMan
A> Optical.

Me neither and I am using a cheap Medion cordless mouse.

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Re: All the meail in my inbox has disappeared!

[Dean]

I can say I just had this happen to me.  I did not delete, however I was in
the process of saving attachments, posts, to my cd.  I was also going to
copy the entire bat program and had therefore just copied/exported the Rit
entries from the registry.

I rebooted after I was all done and wanted to get my regular programs
established in a clean start.  I started up the bat and whoosh gone was the
TBI of the Inbox.  The TBB was there with 27 mgs  but the TBI showed only
2 megs.  I did what was mentioned by Roelof and had to reboot again.  I
still didn't have anything showing up in the inbox - Until I started
looking through all of the other folders, which seemed to load very slowly.
 I then went back to the main inbox and after a slow start everything
 re-appeared.

The only thing I can think of that could have caused a problem was; I went
looking at other mail as the message center was downloading.  For some
reason I run into The program freezing and now this empty Inbox occurrence.

Do want to thank Roelof for the suggestion, was perfect timing for this to
come up;)

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Re: All the meail in my inbox has disappeared!

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Michael,

On Mon, 13 May 2002 10:10:30 -0400GMT (13-5-02, 16:10 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

MD>>> All  my  email  in my inbox has disappeared. The messages.tbb (about 1
MD>>> GB),   and  messages.tbi  (about  40MB)  are  still  in  the  > Move the messages.tbi to a temporary folder.

MD> Thanks - That did it!

>> When you'll enter the inbox, TB will notice the missing .tbi and will
>> recreate it. That would mean that all your deleted messages will
>> return, since the info of them being deleted is gone, but the
>> non-deleted should be accessible too.

Since all of your messages that were deleted (or filtered to other
folders) should have become visible too, you should delete them again
and select from the menu: Folder - Compress all folders.
That diminishes the size of your inbox and prevent the problem from
occurring again.
Might your inbox still be excessively big, I'd suggest that you start
archiving the messages into different folders and afterwards compress
your inbox again. I don't know what's the actual limit for the folder
contents in TB, but I have found for myself that large folders take
lot more time to be opened than smaller ones. I use 5000 msg's (or 20
MB, whatever comes first) as a useful limit.

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Re[2]: All the meail in my inbox has disappeared!

[Michael David]

Hi Roelof!

Thanks - That did it!

Thanks to all that helped. I do appreciate it! :)

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Sunday, May 12, 2002, 2:00:18 AM, you wrote:

> Hello Michael,

> On Sat, 11 May 2002 17:11:41 -0400GMT (11-5-02, 23:11 +0200GMT, where
> I live), you wrote:

MD>> All  my  email  in my inbox has disappeared. The messages.tbb (about 1
MD>> GB),   and  messages.tbi  (about  40MB)  are  still  in  the   Close TB
> Move the messages.tbi to a temporary folder.
> Start TB
> When you'll enter the inbox, TB will notice the missing .tbi and will
> recreate it. That would mean that all your deleted messages will
> return, since the info of them being deleted is gone, but the
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Re: All the meail in my inbox has disappeared!

[tracer]

Hello Michael David,
On Sat, 11 May 2002 21:52:44 -0400 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, May 12, 2002, 8:52:44 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Michael David wrote:


> Hi Mandara!

> Hmmm - I don't think I deleted them, and those messages are not in the
> Trash folder.  Is there some way to delete messages that they don't end
> up in the trash?

Yes, if you tell the thrash to empty the bin after closing the bat...

> So, are you saying I should move the messages .tbb and messages.tbi
> files to a new TB folder, and then compress the new folder?



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Re[2]: All the meail in my inbox has disappeared!

[Michael David]

Hi Allie!

50K or so - lots of attachemnts.

My total batmail folder is about 8GB. (I have several accounts)

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> Hash: SHA1

> Michael [M] wrote:
> ...
> I didn't really have anything to add but then I reread your original
> post and saw this:

M>> ... The messages.tbb (about 1 GB), and messages.tbi (about 40MB)
M>> are still in the \\Inbox folder, the unread
M>> and total messages numbers look correct. The messages just aren't
M>> showing up.

> Wow! An impressive inbox .tbb file size. Anyone else packing a
> message base of that size?

> How many messages did you have in that folder?

> How much RAM do you have on your system. Could this be a resource
> issue that we're dealing with here and you've hit a ceiling of sorts
> so the messages will not display?

> Do you normally compress your inbox folder/s?

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Re[2]: Back with the Bat! and a menu question

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Monday, May 13, 2002, 15:50, Miguel A. Urech wrote:

> Yes, it's pretty nice. It only works with 3 of the 20 lists I'm
> subscribed to, but it's pretty nice. Yes, and you're guessing right,
> the three that work are this one (TBUDL), TBBeta and TBtech. What a
> coincidence! ;-)

Almost the same here, although I'm subscribed to a yahoo-based list
where "Unsubscribe" works and another where "Post message" works.
Strange that some but not all of the headers are implemented.

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Re: Back with the Bat! and a menu question

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello Miguel,
 
13. maj 2002, 15:50:17, you wrote:

MAU> Yes, it's pretty nice. It only works with 3 of the 20 lists I'm
MAU> subscribed to, but it's pretty nice. Yes, and you're guessing right,
MAU> the three that work are this one (TBUDL), TBBeta and TBtech. What a
MAU> coincidence! ;-)

At least some options work with most lists I'm subscribed to. It
mainly depends on the list owner and the software used, which headers
(and therefore options) will be available...

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Re: middle mouse button scrolling

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello Nick,

Monday, May 13, 2002, 4:18:40 PM, you wrote:
> If  TB  is  the 'only' Program that is affected... and only the 1.6x
> versions,  as  1.5x  does  not  have  that  problem...  then  in  my
> estimation  it  'is'  TB  and  not  my  System. I have never had any
> problems  relating  to  scrolling  in  any  of  the  Programs I have
> installed. Only TB.

> Allie mentioned the Logitech Drivers as well, but I am reluctant to change
> Drivers just for the sake of one Program.

I  would be reluctant to change drivers, for the same reason as above.
I wonder if the mouse wheel button problem started at the same time as
when the size of the scrollbar had a problem being proportional to the
length of a message.

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Re: middle mouse button scrolling

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Costas Papadopoulos,

On Monday, May 13 2002 at 06:54 AM PDT, you wrote:

> I wonder if the mouse wheel button problem started at the same time as
> when the size of the scrollbar had a problem being proportional to the
> length of a message.

It may well have. All I know is that v1.5x does not have the problem,
while all 1.6x versions do. From where I sit all 1.6x versions are buggy,
and reverting back to the 1.5x versions is just not an option for me. I do
though like to follow TB's development and see what happens. Who knows...
one day RITLabs may fix the bug. ;o)
 

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Re: Back with the Bat! and a menu question

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello cedric,

> It's a pretty nice feature that automates the dealing with mailing
> lists...

Yes, it's pretty nice. It only works with 3 of the 20 lists I'm
subscribed to, but it's pretty nice. Yes, and you're guessing right,
the three that work are this one (TBUDL), TBBeta and TBtech. What a
coincidence! ;-)

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Re: Back with the Bat! and a menu question

[Gerard]

ON Monday, May 13, 2002, 1:44:30 PM, you wrote:

KE>   1: there is a
KE>   menu choise with a sub menu under Specials that's called Mailing list however as 
soon
KE>   as i try to do anything with this menu i can't because it's
KE>   unavailable, that is it seems to be grayed out and nothing i do, or
KE>   nothing i select in a message will make this menu available, can
KE>   someone please tell me what gives here?

 Krister,
 While you are reading this msg go to specials|Mailinglist and you will
 find its not grayed out anymore.
 This function is only available if the right list headers are present in
 an email, which is the case with all the emails in this list and some
 other lsit as well.
 I think its a neat function.


KE> 2: What does the "smartBat" do?

Smartbad is sort of a constant notepad with easy copy functions. Al lot
of discussions have been had about it. Just look in the archive.

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Re: Back with the Bat! and a menu question

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Krister Ekstrom,

On Monday, May 13 2002 at 04:44 AM PDT, you wrote:

> I've just started to evaluate the latest, well to my knowledge
>  anyway, version of TB v1.60 H.

Krister, v1.60H is buggy. Go to the Beta site and download v1.60K as it'
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Re: middle mouse button scrolling

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Clive Taylor,

On Sunday, May 12 2002 at 11:05 PM PDT, you wrote:

> I know it's irritating for you but I'm using Win98SE with a MS wheel
> mouse and am using the Logitech drivers that came with my recently
> expired Logitech wheelmouse. With both mice, the scrolling function
> works perfectly to whatever I set it in the driver options -- in all
> programmes. It's not TB, must be something on your system.

If TB is the 'only' Program that is affected... and only the 1.6x versions,
as 1.5x does not have that problem... then in my estimation it 'is' TB and
not my System. I have never had any problems relating to scrolling in any
of the Programs I have installed. Only TB.

Allie mentioned the Logitech Drivers as well, but I am reluctant to change
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Re: Back with the Bat! and a menu question

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Hi Krister

On 13 May 2002 at 13:44:30 +0200 (which was 12:44 where I live) Krister
Ekstrom wrote and made these points

> 1: there is a menu choise with a sub menu under Specials that's called
> Mailing list however as soon as i try to do anything with this menu i
> can't because it's unavailable, that is it seems to be grayed out and
> nothing i do, or nothing i select in a message will make this menu
> available, can someone please tell me what gives here?

The options are not gray out when the correct header is present in the
message.

List-help:
List-unsubscribe:
List-subscribe:
List-owner:
List-post:
List-archive:

> 2: What does the "smartBat" do?

Just a note pad. I don't use it myself as it does not have a spell check on
it.

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Re: Usage of Read Filter

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Ricardo,

On Sunday, May 12, 2002 at 4:26:43 PM you wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):

ACM>> The read filter set is applied automatically on a per message basis.
ACM>> When the message is marked as read, the filters are applied to it when
ACM>> you move to another message.

RMR> but only when you read the message in a separate window. It's not
RMR> launched when you read the message in the preview pane,

Plainly wrong.
Have a look at 'Account' / 'Properties' / 'Options' / 'Mark message as read
only when it is open in a separate window' ... is it checked? If so the
message will never get marked as read in preview pane and therefore the
filter will never be applied.
If not, the message will be marked read (after timeout set in account
options) and on focus change _away from message_ the read-filters will be
checked and applied if necessary.

I'm working this way the whole day on my administrative mails I get from
several servers and it works for sure.

RMR> even if it mark the message as read.

Read-filters will _never_ get applied when the message is manually marked
read _AND_ in above mentioned account settings a time out is given for
automatically 'mark read'.
If this time out is off the filters will be applied immediately if you set
the message to 'read' (e.g. via +M)

So ... all in all a really complex thing of several conditions and
possibilities, but nevertheless working as expected :-)
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Re: Back with the Bat! and a menu question

[cedric]

> 1: there is a menu choise with a sub menu under Specials that's called
> Mailing list however as soon as i try to do anything with this menu i
> can't because it's unavailable, that is it seems to be grayed out and
> nothing i do, or nothing i select in a message will make this menu
> available, can someone please tell me what gives here?

You have to highlight a message coming from a mailing-list before going
into this menu. This feature will read the "mailing list management
informations" that are contained in the header of the message. Those are
informations that the mailing list server adds to the headers of each
posted message and that actually gives the addresses to subscribe,
unsubscribe, or post a message to the concerned list. It's a pretty nice
feature that automates the dealing with mailing lists...


> 2: What does the "smartBat" do?

I still have no clue about that... I think it's a kind of "always on"
memo or something, but I don't know why it's contained in TB...

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Server Timeouts

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

Hello tbudl,

Is it possible to increase the default timeouts for mailservers within
TB? I connect to a mail server than can sometimes take a while to
respond, causing TB to timeout the connection and emit an Unwanted
Bleep!

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Back with the Bat! and a menu question

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hello TBUDL,
  I've just started to evaluate the latest, well to my knowledge
  anyway, version of TB v1.60 H. It's been a while since i worked with
  TB and now there are two things that have me confused. 1: there is a
  menu choise with a sub menu under Specials that's called Mailing list however as soon
  as i try to do anything with this menu i can't because it's
  unavailable, that is it seems to be grayed out and nothing i do, or
  nothing i select in a message will make this menu available, can
  someone please tell me what gives here?
  2: What does the "smartBat" do?
  If you don't want to clutter up the list, then please feel free to
  answer me privately on the following adress:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  I have sifted through all kinds of documentation but have yet to
  come up with an answer to these probably newbeish questions.
  TIA
  

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