Suggestion (RegEx Tester)

2002-07-14 Thread Tack

Hi Bat Guys,

  In 'The Bat FAQ/Regular expression tutorial', several references are
  made to a 'regex tester'. I could find no links to a 'regex tester',
  but found the one (searching google) that gets integrated with the
  Bat's help dialog.

  I think this could be better documented?

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Re: Message final glitches

2002-07-14 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello Joyce!

On Saturday, July 13, 2002 at 8:39:32 PM you wrote:

 1.  How  do  I  get  to stop TB from _always_ suggesting me a template
 (which in any case is always wrong for me?). Where do I switch it off?
 Can  I  switch it off selectively (according to address or folder?) or
 is it all/nothing at all?

1. Define templates that fit your needs (avoid folder templates).

2. Make a Quick Template with the %CLEAR macro in it and invoke it
before you enter anything else in your new message.



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Re: Suggestion (RegEx Tester)

2002-07-14 Thread Gerd Ewald

Hello Tack !

  
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:01:03 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was 14.07.2002, 09:01 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:


   In 'The Bat FAQ/Regular expression tutorial', several references are
   made to a 'regex tester'. I could find no links to a 'regex tester',
   but found the one (searching google) that gets integrated with the
   Bat's help dialog.

   I think this could be better documented?

Hmmm, if you mean the tutorial, there was a documentation.

,-- [ Tutorial ]
| You have to download a DLL written by Dirk Heiser  
|   
| (http://www.Dirk-Heiser.de/RegExTest/RegExTest_V0.3beta.zip)  
|   
| and copy it into your TB-directory. Then, when you open the TB-help,  
| you will find a tabfolder called RegEx. Or, if you are using the  
| CHM-Version of the help (this probably applies only to the German  
| version), you can use this DLL by creating a link on your desktop  
| which opens the DLL:  
|   
| %windir%\system32\rundll32.exe your_pathregextest.dll, Run
'--

But I think you mean that this is not documented in TB itself. Well,
the regex tester is a private program and not an official feature of
Ritlabs. Maybe Dirk might find some interest to offer it Ritlabs.

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Re: how to split digest mail to individual mail using the Bat ?

2002-07-14 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Adhitya,

On Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 10:23 GMT +0700, aliens probed Adhitya
Fajar Anggoro [AFA] and found:

AFA Recently a friend told me that The Bat can split digest e-mail
AFA into individual mail using macro command and stuff.

This is only true for MIME digests.  If you have a list that does
support MIME digests, you can split them with a filter.

Create a filter that will move the digest message to any folder.
Under the actions tab, select Run External Program and Extract
Attached Files to Specified directory.  The Extract option should
point to some empty temporary directory.  The Run option will run an
import operation using TB's command-line options.  The command-line
would look something like:
C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe 
/importu=accountname;F=folder;I=C:\Program Files\The Bat!\temp\*.msg;DEL

You should be able to figure out what needs to be changed in the above
using the help file.


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Re: Palm Synch

2002-07-14 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Joseph,

Wednesday, July 10, 2002 at 19:35 GMT -0500, was when inspiration
required Joseph N. [JN] to write:

JN Then I periodically export that AB into vCard format, and from TB!
JN import the vCard file into the TB! AB. [...]

Does Organizer support the LDIF file format?  If it does, then your
other problems may be minimized:

JN Is it more of a pain than I would like? Yes.

You can import LDIF files directly into TB's address book via a
command-line option /Import.  Though the help file doesn't say it, you
use almost exactly the same options as /Export to do the address book
importing.

The advantage of this is, you can make a simple batch file to do the
synchronizing.  Once you have a batch file, you can use Windows
Scheduler or something to do the synch at whatever interval is
convenient.

JN Lotus Org can have group lists which do not seem to come across as
JN TB! groups,

Again, using undocumented flags for /Import, you can import directly
into the group of choice (see /Export for details).  Having said that,
I remember when I transferred from Netscape, I moved my AB through the
LDIF format and my groups were created in TB as well.  I'm wondering
if Lotus Org will work the same.

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Undocumented Features

2002-07-14 Thread Tack

Hi Bat Guys,

  I came across some undocumented features somewhere (may have been in
  the FAQ), but I can't find them again.

  Can anyone point me in the right direction?

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Re: Re[2]: SMTP server report

2002-07-14 Thread Syafril Hermansyah

On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:07:00 -0500 Jonathan E. Brickman
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 With MERCURY/32 I need to use ClickOff for autominimization, but that
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Try 3rd party dial up utility that cames with Mercury/32. See under
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Re: SMTP server report

2002-07-14 Thread Syafril Hermansyah

On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:35:49 -0500 Jonathan E. Brickman
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 Anyone have a caching-only DNS server they like for Win32 ???

IIRC lot of Mercury users using DNSplus, but the better one is BIND
4.9.8 porting by Kahn (see www.isc.org), it is run under win9x too (if
you're using NT or W2K, the DNS is built in).


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Re[2]: AVG and message body

2002-07-14 Thread Ochrid

Hello Marek,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 1:19:59 AM, you wrote:


MM text of message is not checked by plugin, I don't really understand
MM why? You can't be infected from text in message body.

 I pasted  the eicar.com  in the message body.
suppose it was a real virus wouldn't it then be able to do it's
nasty job from the message itself, just as it would from the
attachment?

(As you can see: I am no expert, but want to be well protected).

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Re: Suggestion (RegEx Tester)

2002-07-14 Thread Marcus Ohlström


On Sunday, July 14, 2002, 09:01, Tack wrote:

   In 'The Bat FAQ/Regular expression tutorial', several references
   are made to a 'regex tester'. I could find no links to a 'regex
   tester', but found the one (searching google) that gets integrated
   with the Bat's help dialog.

Where do you find this regex tester? I've searched the help file with
no luck.


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Re[2]: Suggestion (RegEx Tester)

2002-07-14 Thread Tack

Hello Gerd,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 8:18:12 AM, you wrote:


GE But I think you mean that this is not documented in TB itself. Well,
GE the regex tester is a private program and not an official feature of
GE Ritlabs. Maybe Dirk might find some interest to offer it Ritlabs.

What I meant to say was...

The Bat's help menu has a link to the 'Unofficial Faq page' at...
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBFAQ.html : which has a link to
the 'Regular expression tutorial' at...
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Regex.html : which makes several
references like Try it in the regex tester., but does not tell you
where to find the regex tester.

I had to perform an internet searh for regex tester where I found a
newsgroup article with a link to download 'RegExTest_V0.3beta.zip'.

IMHO, I think a link to download 'RegExTest_V0.3beta.zip' should be
included in the tutorial. ;-)


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Re: Suggestion (RegEx Tester)

2002-07-14 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Tack,

@14 July 2002, 10:01 +0100  Tack [T] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Gerd Ewald:

GE But I think you mean that this is not documented in TB itself. Well,
GE the regex tester is a private program and not an official feature of
GE Ritlabs. Maybe Dirk might find some interest to offer it Ritlabs.

T What I meant to say was...

T The Bat's help menu has a link to the 'Unofficial Faq page' at...
T http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBFAQ.html : which has a link to
T the 'Regular expression tutorial' at...
T http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Regex.html : which makes several
T references like Try it in the regex tester., but does not tell you
T where to find the regex tester.

Yes it does! That's what Gerd said. Right there on the first page in
section 3.

T IMHO, I think a link to download 'RegExTest_V0.3beta.zip' should be
T included in the tutorial. ;-)

It is.

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Re: AVG and message body

2002-07-14 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Ochrid,

@14 July 2002, 11:04 +0200 (10:04 UK time)  Ochrid [O] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marek Mikus:

MM text of message is not checked by plugin, I don't really understand
MM why? You can't be infected from text in message body.

O  I pasted  the eicar.com  in the message body.
O suppose it was a real virus wouldn't it then be able to do it's
O nasty job from the message itself, just as it would from the
O attachment?

No. To to it's nasty job a virus needs to be in a position to be
executed; to have its instructions processed by the CPU or by an
interpreter. To do this, the instructions have to appear in an
executable form. A message body is not executable. Never. Not by any
means. It only becomes executable once the virus is removed from the
message body and saved in an executable form. Then it once again
becomes a risk. But the moment you do that AVG will scream. So you're
safe.

O (As you can see: I am no expert, but want to be well protected).

Indeed you aren't and indeed you are g.

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Re: Suggestion (RegEx Tester)

2002-07-14 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Marcus,

@14 July 2002, 11:07 +0200 (10:07 UK time)  Marcus Ohlström [MO] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

   In 'The Bat FAQ/Regular expression tutorial', several references
   are made to a 'regex tester'. I could find no links to a 'regex
   tester', but found the one (searching google) that gets integrated
   with the Bat's help dialog.

MO Where do you find this regex tester? I've searched the help file with
MO no luck.

See http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/regex.html#patterns and you
will be referred to: http://www.Dirk-Heiser.de/RegExTest/RegExTest.zip

BTW - if you guys were in earnest about reading the tutorial you'd
have found the link!

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Re[2]: AVG and message body

2002-07-14 Thread Ochrid

Hello Marck,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 11:31:48 AM, you wrote:

MDP Indeed you aren't and indeed you are g.

 Thanks for reassuring me on all accounts!


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Re: Message final glitches

2002-07-14 Thread Thomas F

Hello Joyce,

On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:39:32 +0200 GMT (14/07/02, 01:39 +0700 GMT),
Joyce Sala wrote:

JS 1.  How  do  I  get  to stop TB from _always_ suggesting me a template
JS (which in any case is always wrong for me?). Where do I switch it off?
JS Can  I  switch it off selectively (according to address or folder?) or
JS is it all/nothing at all?

You can choose Folder / Properties and then Template, Reply, Forward
and insert what you want. If you want nothing, I am not sure whether a
blank template does what you want, but the %Clear macro should do the
trick.

In the address book, you can also set templates per address. Do the
same as with the folders.

Once you have deleted all these templates and start typing everything
over and over again, you will miss them, I promise you. The templates
are a powerful tool that I do not want to miss any more.

JS 2. The OE and CC479 had a nice feature called follow
JS conversation, where you would get specific subjects highlighted,
JS regardless of sender. The color group is a permanent think and is
JS appropriate for senders, but is there something similar for
JS subjects? I must point out It's useless for me to work in
JS threads, because anyway I deal with people (or 80% of them) who
JS just don't know how to respect subject/thread definitions.

How about threading by reference? View / View Threads by /
References.

JS 3.  The  delete  function (both the button and the delete sub-menus)
JS seem  to  be  almost  always disabled. The only way I manage to delete
JS messages  is  to  move  it to trash and then tell it to empty it. It
JS works  for  a few minutes when I first open program and then it stops.
JS What am I doing wrong?

I don't know. I can always delete without problems.

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Re: AVG and message body

2002-07-14 Thread Thomas F

Hello Ochrid,

On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:04:06 +0200 GMT (14/07/02, 16:04 +0700 GMT),
Ochrid wrote:

O  I pasted  the eicar.com  in the message body.
O suppose it was a real virus wouldn't it then be able to do it's
O nasty job from the message itself, just as it would from the
O attachment?

No, this is technically not possible. A virus is a program that needs
to be executed in order to do harm. So far, it was necessary for the
user to click on the attachment. Klez is the first virus that
auto-executes due to the user-friendliness of OL/OE. Nevertheless,
the malicious code is executed, and that is the very point.

A virus scanner works by checking whether any known strings are found
in the attachment. The scanner actually has a huge database and
compares all strings it knows with the complete attachment. If it
finds a match, it will raise the alarm. Those strings are usually not
human-readable, as they are often part of compiled code.

A string that is contained in a plain-text message cannot be executed
and is therefore harmless. Even if it would match a string in the
virus database: plain text is simply not executable. Therefore, it
cannot do any nasty job.

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Re: Undocumented Features

2002-07-14 Thread Thomas F

Hello Tack,

On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:52:47 +0100 GMT (14/07/02, 14:52 +0700 GMT),
Tack wrote:

T   I came across some undocumented features somewhere (may have been in
T   the FAQ), but I can't find them again.

T   Can anyone point me in the right direction?

That appears to be difficult. If they are in the FAQ, they are
documented. If they are undocumented, how can we point you? Perhaps to
an undocument? ;-)

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Re: Filter question

2002-07-14 Thread Thomas F

Hello Jonathan,

On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 00:40:28 -0500 GMT (14/07/02, 12:40 +0700 GMT),
Jonathan Angliss wrote:

JA It is more likely to be the one in the account folder as each
JA account has its own set of filters, so would probably store it in
JA its [account] own folder.

This is absolutely correct. Sorry, I didn't point it out. You need to
copy the file account.srx from the account with the filters to the
account where you want the filters to be copied to. It is a good idea
to back up (rename) the file account.srx in the destination directory
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Re[2]: AVG and message body

2002-07-14 Thread Ochrid

Hello Thomas,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 11:35:21 AM, you wrote:


TF On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:04:06 +0200 GMT (14/07/02, 16:04 +0700 GMT),
TF Ochrid wrote:

O  I pasted  the eicar.com  in the message body.
O suppose it was a real virus wouldn't it then be able to do it's
O nasty job from the message itself, just as it would from the
O attachment?

TF No, this is technically not possible. A virus is a program that needs
TF to be executed in order to do harm. So far, it was necessary for the
TF user to click on the attachment. Klez is the first virus that
TF auto-executes due to the user-friendliness of OL/OE. Nevertheless,
TF the malicious code is executed, and that is the very point.

[explanation cut]

Thanks for your very clear explanation - I feel reassured.



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OT: Spool 32 error

2002-07-14 Thread Sudip Pokhrel

Hi Batpeople,

   Recently, upon starting the computer, I've been getting an error
   dialog titled 'Spool32' saying The program has performed illegal
   operation and will be shut down. Any idea what this is?

   I'd appreciate any help. Here are details of the error:

,- [ Begin ] -
| SPOOL32 caused an invalid page fault in module SPOOL32.EXE at
| 017f:00402015.
`- [  End  ] -

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Re: AVG and message body

2002-07-14 Thread William Moore


Hello Marck

Thank you for your email dated Sunday, July 14, 2002, 10:31:48 AM, in which you wrote:

MDP Indeed you aren't and indeed you are g.

Nicely put, Marck.

You may be interested in http://www.worldwidewords.org. The weekly
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Re: OT: Spool 32 error

2002-07-14 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Sudip,

@14 July 2002, 15:59 +0530 (11:29 UK time)  Sudip Pokhrel [SP] in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

SPRecently, upon starting the computer, I've been getting an error
SPdialog titled 'Spool32' saying The program has performed illegal
SPoperation and will be shut down. Any idea what this is?

SPI'd appreciate any help. Here are details of the error:

SP ,- [ Begin ] -
SP | SPOOL32 caused an invalid page fault in module SPOOL32.EXE at
SP | 017f:00402015.
SP `- [  End  ] -

This is to do with the Windows print spool mechanism and may be due to
one of many things, including DLL hell, incorrectly installed
printer, virus infection, bad printer driver, disk error, windows
configuration error, DLL corruption, faulty RAM... the list goes on.

Remedy? May be as brutal as reinstalling the OS :-(.

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Automatic Mail Checking.

2002-07-14 Thread Chris Weaven

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I've been using The Bat! for about 8 months now and love it, but I still
stumble across questions every now and again.

1. I'm soon going to change to a broadband connection, so I will always
be on-line. Is there a way to set TB! to always be prepared to receive
mails? What I mean is similar to if you were on a LAN, in that you don't
have to manually check for mail every 5 minutes or so. I'd like it to be
live, so it receives mail in real time, rather than when you manually
check.

2. I'd also like it to do this without the mail management box coming
up. At the moment I'm on dial-up so like to filter out large mails, but
with an always on broadband connection, I'd want it to download
everything as I receive it rather than all manually.

3. Finally, some of you may have read about TB! sometimes being slow to
respond, in a similar vain, I have the same problem for checking mail.
When I first log in and check, it's really fast checking the headers and
then downloading, but when I check again in about 5 minutes, it takes
ages just to download 3 headers and longer still to receive the mails.
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Mailticker display

2002-07-14 Thread Sudip Pokhrel

Hi Batpeople,

   I see Mailticker can be turned on/off at folder level but can it be
   set to notify the arrival of particular messages within a folder

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Re: Automatic Mail Checking.

2002-07-14 Thread Sudip Pokhrel

Hi Chris,

On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:53:20 +0100 GMT (Jul 14, 16:23 my time),
you [CW] wrote:

CW I'd like it to be live, so it receives mail in real time, rather
CW than when you manually check.

Go to Account/Properties/Option and set the Mailbox checking
parameters accordingly

CW I'd also like it to do this without the mail management box coming
CW up.

Go to Options/Preferences and in General tab set Display Connection
Center and/or Display MailTicker to Hide

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Re: Annoying error sound

2002-07-14 Thread Mihai

Hello Thomas,

Saturday, July 13, 2002, 11:45:57 PM, you wrote:

TF Hello Mihai,

TF On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 23:13:50 +0300 GMT (14/07/02, 03:13 +0700 GMT),
TF Mihai wrote:

M Until now, Roelof Otten aswered me but unfortunately the second answer
M does not apply because I'm using a LAN connection. If I follow
M his instructions TB won't get my mail beacause it wants to connect via
M Dial-up. It doesn't detect that I'm connected to the internet via LAN. :(

TF Options / Network  Admin / Local Area Network.

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Re: Annoying error sound

2002-07-14 Thread Mihai

Hello Roelof,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 2:05:51 AM, you wrote:

RO Hallo Mihai,

RO On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 23:13:50 +0300GMT (13-7-02, 22:13 +0200GMT, where
RO I live), you wrote:

M unfortunately the second answer does not apply because I'm using a
M LAN connection. If I follow his instructions TB won't get my mail
M beacause it wants to connect via Dial-up. It doesn't detect that
M I'm connected to the internet via LAN. :(

RO Have you ever considered to run your own mail server on your LAN? The
RO mail clients like TB will connect to the server whether there's an
RO internet connection or not. No more beeps, etc. The server can be told
RO to connect only to the net on certain times or in the case of existing
RO connection.

Hmmm, good idea. I didn't consider that. I know how to do a local mail server, that's 
not a problem
but I think it is to complicated for my needs.

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Re: OT: Spool 32 error

2002-07-14 Thread William Moore


Hello Marck

Thank you for your email dated Sunday, July 14, 2002, 11:27:05 AM, in which you wrote:

MDP Remedy? May be as brutal as reinstalling the OS :-(.

Have a look at http://aumha.org and use the search facility quoting
'spool32'. Lots of answers there.
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Re[2]: Suggestion (RegEx Tester)

2002-07-14 Thread Tack

Hello Marck,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 10:27:22 AM, you wrote:

T references like Try it in the regex tester., but does not tell
T you where to find the regex tester.

MDP Yes it does! That's what Gerd said. Right there on the first page in
MDP section 3.

T IMHO, I think a link to download 'RegExTest_V0.3beta.zip' should be
T included in the tutorial. ;-)

MDP It is.

I feel a little foolish now. Perhaps I should've looked through each
page, instead of searching for all instances of 'regex tester'
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Re[2]: Automatic Mail Checking.

2002-07-14 Thread Chris Weaven

Hi Sudip,

On Sunday, July 14, 2002 16:47 your local time, which was 12:17 my local
time, Sudip Pokhrel [SP] wrote;

CW I'd like it to be live, so it receives mail in real time, rather
CW than when you manually check.

SP Go to Account/Properties/Option and set the Mailbox checking
SP parameters accordingly

I've tried this, but my automatic checking doesn't appear to be working
anymore.

See previous thread called 'TB has stopped auto checking for mail'
started on 4th july.

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Re[2]: Undocumented Features

2002-07-14 Thread Tack

Hello Januk,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 9:44:55 AM, you wrote:


JA Well, if they are undocumented, by definition we can't point you to
JA documentation.  However, there is much experience on this list, so if
JA you ask us more specifically, there's a good chance that someone will
JA know the function you're looking for.

The feature 'Use Alt+Ins/Alt+Del to add/delete filter strings', for
example, is not documented in the Bat help: it is, however, documented
in some Bat FAQ under a listing entitled Undocumented Features. I
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Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-14 Thread angel rodriguez

Hello,

Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows XP
5.1 Build 2600

I have been using TB for about two years, but this problem is driving
me crazy.  I am new to the list and have spend a few hours in the
archives looking but have not found my problem.

I will describe the problem as best I can.

I check 11 different accounts on three different servers.  If I check
the with F2 it logs on an gets my mail.  If I use ALT F2 it check
most of the account and hangs on one or the other and I have this
message in the log.

!7/13/2002, 17:53:19: FETCH - Server reports error. The response is: -ERR Password 
supplied for tereno is incorrect.

The connecion box remains open.  At this point things are hung up.  I
can't even close TB even if I delete the task and close the connection
box.  I have to use the windows task manager to shut down TD and
reboot the computer before TB will work again.  I was checking my
account automatically every few minute that has been impossible for a
while, the checking task pile up.

I have completely uninstalled and reinstalled the TB.

I will glad provide any more information need to help troble shoot
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Re: Suggestion (RegEx Tester)

2002-07-14 Thread Marcus Ohlström


On Sunday, July 14, 2002, 11:34, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MO Where do you find this regex tester? I've searched the help file
MO with no luck.

 See http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/regex.html#patterns and you
 will be referred to: http://www.Dirk-Heiser.de/RegExTest/RegExTest.zip

 BTW - if you guys were in earnest about reading the tutorial you'd
 have found the link!

I did find the regex tester when Gerd Ewald first posted the regex
tutorial to this list. What I asked about was Tack's statement:

 I could find no links to a 'regex tester', but found the one
 (searching google) that gets integrated with the Bat's help dialog

I missinterpreted this, I thought Tack had found a regex tester
integrated somewhere in the help file you get if you hit F1. I
couldn't find this myself and therefore asked my question.

I have followed Gerd's regex tutorial carefully (which I'm sure Gerd
could verify), it's not that I'm not - as you state - in earnest about
reading the tutorial.

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Re: Automatic Mail Checking.

2002-07-14 Thread Paul Cartwright


On Sunday, July 14, 2002, 6:53 AM, you wrote:

CW 1. I'm soon going to change to a broadband connection, so I will always
CW be on-line. Is there a way to set TB! to always be prepared to receive
CW mails? What I mean is similar to if you were on a LAN, in that you don't
CW have to manually check for mail every 5 minutes or so. I'd like it to be
CW live, so it receives mail in real time, rather than when you manually
CW check.

I do this, I have it set to 9 minutes. I think I remember reading that
if you set it under 10 minutes it will stay connected and not ask for
your passwords each time ( it takes a little longer to do that)

CW 2. I'd also like it to do this without the mail management box coming
CW up. At the moment I'm on dial-up so like to filter out large mails, but
CW with an always on broadband connection, I'd want it to download
CW everything as I receive it rather than all manually.

mail management box? the mail center comes up every time it connects,
then disappears when it is finished. On my system it stays minimized, so
it never gets in my way.

CW 3. Finally, some of you may have read about TB! sometimes being slow to
CW respond, in a similar vain, I have the same problem for checking mail.
CW When I first log in and check, it's really fast checking the headers and
CW then downloading, but when I check again in about 5 minutes, it takes
CW ages just to download 3 headers and longer still to receive the mails.
CW Why would it do this?


I have it set to delete mail on the server, so when I watch the
connection center, it shows deleting mail on server, this does add a bit
of time, but on cablemodem, it is negligible;) , except on Friday nights
when TBUDL throws 100 messages at me!

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Re: Undocumented Features

2002-07-14 Thread Paul Cartwright


On Sunday, July 14, 2002, 4:44 AM, you wrote:

JA If you don't like that, you can play with the Menu Navigator (next to
JA the minimize button by default).  That can help you locate many
JA features as well.

  menu navigator? there is nothing next to my minimize button, or am I
on the wrong line? there was nothing in the help index about menu
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Re: Undocumented Features

2002-07-14 Thread Marcus Ohlström


On Sunday, July 14, 2002, 14:18, Paul Cartwright wrote:

   menu navigator? there is nothing next to my minimize button, or am
 I on the wrong line? there was nothing in the help index about menu
 navigator either.

Ritlabs had a hard time making the menu navigator look XP'ish. They
didn't succeed and therefore disabled this feature for you XP guys.

Try upgrading to W2K ;-)

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Re: Filter question

2002-07-14 Thread Allie C Martin

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JA Just out of curiousity, does anybody know if you can reference a
JA file on a webserver to use instead of a local file in the
JA selective downloads thing? Like for example:
JA http://www.mydomain.com/spammers.txt? Would be good... could then
JA start working on a central type of system to block more spammers,
JA and pool everybody's knowledge, and experiences ;)

From another machine on an LAN, yes, but not from off the internet.

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Re: Undocumented Features

2002-07-14 Thread Paul Cartwright

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On Sunday, July 14, 2002, 8:23 AM, you wrote:

   menu navigator? there is nothing next to my minimize button, or am
 I on the wrong line? there was nothing in the help index about menu
 navigator either.

MO Ritlabs had a hard time making the menu navigator look XP'ish. They
MO didn't succeed and therefore disabled this feature for you XP guys.

MO Try upgrading to W2K ;-)


heh heh, I HAD w2K, but then I got a new PC that came with XP!!
thanks, at least I know it isn't there!


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Re: Mailticker display

2002-07-14 Thread Peter Meyns

Hi Sudip,

on Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:37:37 +0530GMT (14.07.02, 13:07 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

SPI see Mailticker can be turned on/off at folder level but can it be
SPset to notify the arrival of particular messages within a folder

No. The only way to notify of particular messages is to filter them to a
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Re: Automatic Mail Checking.

2002-07-14 Thread Allie C Martin

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Chris Weaven [CW] wrote:

CW 1. I'm soon going to change to a broadband connection, so I will
CW always be on-line. Is there a way to set TB! to always be prepared
CW to receive mails? What I mean is similar to if you were on a LAN,
CW in that you don't have to manually check for mail every 5 minutes
CW or so. I'd like it to be live, so it receives mail in real time,
CW rather than when you manually check.

This cannot be done. TB! isn't a server in this sense which it would
have to be in order to be receptive to mail deliveries initiated
external to TB! TB! has to retrieve its mail.

CW 2. I'd also like it to do this without the mail management box
CW coming up. At the moment I'm on dial-up so like to filter out
CW large mails, but with an always on broadband connection, I'd want
CW it to download everything as I receive it rather than all
CW manually.

Just switch off the option to bring up the dispatcher with each mail
check. It's in the account properties under Mail Management.

CW 3. Finally, some of you may have read about TB! sometimes being
CW slow to respond, in a similar vain, I have the same problem for
CW checking mail. When I first log in and check, it's really fast
CW checking the headers and then downloading, but when I check again
CW in about 5 minutes, it takes ages just to download 3 headers and
CW longer still to receive the mails. Why would it do this?

Strange that it does. Are you running any applications that could
potentially interfere with TB!'s connections? A firewall perhaps?

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Re: Automatic Mail Checking.

2002-07-14 Thread Allie C Martin

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PC ask for your passwords each time ( it takes a little longer to do
PC that)

AFAIK, it does a password negotiation all the time.

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Re[3]: SMTP server report

2002-07-14 Thread DG Raftery Sr.

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Greetings Jonathan,

On Saturday, July 13, 2002, 3:07:00 PM, you wrote:

Jonathan With MERCURY/32 I need to use ClickOff for
Jonathan autominimization, but that is a tiny inconvenience compared to the
Jonathan benefit.

Why? Create a desktop shortcut, move it your startup folder, right click on
the program in your Startup Folder and select PROPERTIES then under RUN use
the drop down arrow and select MINIMIZED.

Why use a 3rd party app or solution to do what Windows can accomplish by
itself?

Just a thought.

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Re[2]: AVG and message body

2002-07-14 Thread myob

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 11:24:05 AM, William wrote:


WM You may be interested in http://www.worldwidewords.org. The weekly
WM newsletter is a good read.

Agreed.  It's always an excellent read!


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Re: Ignore template

2002-07-14 Thread Roelof Otten

Hallo Adam,

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:57:10 -0230GMT (12-7-02, 1:27 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

A Can you start a new message without the folder template if your main
A window is on a folder?
  
Yes, when you start a message to somebody with an Addressbook
template.

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OT: Win98 or Win XP

2002-07-14 Thread Sudip Pokhrel

Hi Batpeople,

   At home I have a stand alone PC with normal home usage. Should I
   stay with win98 or upgrade to XP?  Can you guys elucidate a point
   or two on the pros and cons? Sorry if this gets too OT but I wanted
   to get an impartial view on the matter from the users of both the
   systems. Anything different running TB! under XP?

   Or, should I take this to TBOT? BTW, is TBOT spam free?

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Re: OT: Win98 or Win XP

2002-07-14 Thread Adam Rykala

Date: 14 July 2002, Time: 14:46 
 
Hi Sudip, On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, at 19:16:45 [GMT +0545] (14:31 where I live) you wrote:

SP Hi Batpeople,

SPAt home I have a stand alone PC with normal home usage. Should I
SPstay with win98 or upgrade to XP?  Can you guys elucidate a point
SPor two on the pros and cons? Sorry if this gets too OT but I wanted
SPto get an impartial view on the matter from the users of both the
SPsystems. Anything different running TB! under XP?

SPOr, should I take this to TBOT? BTW, is TBOT spam free?


Considering the spec of your machine, I'd go to WinXp

I  left  the 9x series behind years ago and have never ever looked back. XP is
nowhere  near the devil people make it out to be. I don't have blue screens or
crashes at all...

No I don't work for MS...

But on my home server..e-smith rules!

A


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thousand. We close about eighteen hundred.
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Re: how to split digest mail to individual mail using the Bat ?

2002-07-14 Thread Adhitya Fajar Anggoro

e-mailnyaJanuk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--cut
L Create a filter that will move the digest message to any folder.
L Under the actions tab, select Run External Program and Extract
L Attached Files to Specified directory.  The Extract option should
L point to some empty temporary directory.  The Run option will run an
L import operation using TB's command-line options.  The command-line
L would look something like:
L C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe 
/importu=accountname;F=folder;I=C:\Program Files\The
L Bat!\temp\*.msg;DEL
--cut

If I'm not mistaken, that command is only to import messages.
What I want is when I receive an e-mail in digest mode, TB split
it automatically into individual e-mail.
e.g:
e-mail in digest mode:
---
from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

message 1
from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
subject

-
message 2
from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
subject
.
---
and so on in one big e-mail

I want TB to split it into individual e-mail
e-mail 1:
from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
subject


e-mail 2:
from [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Do you catch my imagination here ?

Thank you 4 responding.

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Re: how to split digest mail to individual mail using the Bat ?

2002-07-14 Thread Adhitya Fajar Anggoro

e-mailnya Thomas F [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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AFA Recently a friend told me that The Bat can split digest e-mail into
AFA individual mail using macro command and stuff.
AFA It means the Bat simply split those digest into individual mail and
AFA can be treated like one (simply read and reply those individual
AFA instead from having to highligh the message in digest I wanna to reply and
AFA press F4.

L No, this is not quite correct. In fact, as a matter of policy, TB does
L not allow you to change incoming mails at all. But then, if you want
L to have the mails individually, why do you subscribe to digest mode?

I'm still using dial up with max 33.6 kbps connection (mostly just
26.4) so digest mode really help me a lot. Cut my online time,
removing those unnecessary attachment.
That's why I'm happy with digest mode but hungry to find out how o
split those digest to individual...

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Re: OT: Win98 or Win XP

2002-07-14 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Sunday, July 14, 2002, 8:47:20 AM, Adam Rykala wrote:

 I  left  the 9x series behind years ago and have never ever looked
 back. XP is nowhere  near the devil people make it out to be. I
 don't have blue screens or crashes at all...

I have no complaints with XP, but you need to explore pretty
specifically whether your machine can handle the conversion. I have
two dell inspiron laptops and while the 8000 took to XP successfully,
and pretty smoothly, Dell says that 7000 is not convertible to XP, and
so I didn't take the risk of changing over.

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Re: how to split digest mail to individual mail using the Bat ?

2002-07-14 Thread Allie C Martin

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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Adhitya Fajar Anggoro [AFA] wrote:

AFA If I'm not mistaken, that command is only to import messages.
AFA What I want is when I receive an e-mail in digest mode, TB split
AFA it automatically into individual e-mail.

Bursting a digest cannot be done directly with TB!. Only indirectly,
and the indirect method is what Januk is indicating to you.

TB!'s filtering can extract attachments from a message and place them
in any folder on your system.

TB!'s filtering can also be made to run an external program/command.

Why not combine the two to achieve your objective?

Setup a filter that will catch the MIME digest.

In the action section set it up to do the following:

1) extract the message attachments to a folder on your system. You
could create a temp folder.

2) run an external command:

C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe
/importu=accountname;F=folder;I=C:\Program Files\The Bat!\temp\*.msg;DEL

This command will import the attachments, the messages within the
digest, to the TB! folder of your choice.

This is the same as Januk  said, only in more words.



The other thing is that if you're really receiving MIME digests which
can be burst into separate messages, you may find that you don't need
to do so. When you open the MIME digest, you should see that it has a
attachments, each one representing a separate message. Double click on
any of them to view the message. In the message view window go to the
menu and select View/Message List. You'll see that you can now browse
the messages as you would in a folder, replying to each as you
normally would.

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Re: OT: Win98 or Win XP

2002-07-14 Thread Adam Rykala

Date: 14 July 2002, Time: 15:55 
 
Hi Dwight, On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, at 09:29:04 [GMT -0500] (15:29 where I live) you wrote:

DAC On Sunday, July 14, 2002, 8:47:20 AM, Adam Rykala wrote:

 I  left  the 9x series behind years ago and have never ever looked
 back. XP is nowhere  near the devil people make it out to be. I
 don't have blue screens or crashes at all...

DAC I have no complaints with XP, but you need to explore pretty
DAC specifically whether your machine can handle the conversion. I have
DAC two dell inspiron laptops and while the 8000 took to XP successfully,
DAC and pretty smoothly, Dell says that 7000 is not convertible to XP, and
DAC so I didn't take the risk of changing over.


Laptops  do  tend to be a law amongst themselves though. I've found laptops to
be the hardest machines to upgrade full stop...

Desktops  tend  to  be  more general and normally upgrade fine. He's got a PIV
1.4GHz so it sounds relatively current


 Thought of the day :
 You'd think there were ENOUGH quotes, already...
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Re[2]: Filter question

2002-07-14 Thread Lynn Turriff



Sunday, July 14, 2002, 2:49:42 AM, you wrote:
[snip]

TF This is absolutely correct. Sorry, I didn't point it out. You need to
TF copy the file account.srx from the account with the filters to the
TF account where you want the filters to be copied to. It is a good idea
TF to back up (rename) the file account.srx in the destination directory
TF first.

Thanks to you both .. this'll make life easier :-)

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Re: OT: Win98 or Win XP

2002-07-14 Thread Jonathan Angliss

Hi Sudip,
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:16:45 +0545, you wrote:

 Hi Batpeople,
 
At home I have a stand alone PC with normal home usage. Should I
stay with win98 or upgrade to XP?  Can you guys elucidate a point
or two on the pros and cons? Sorry if this gets too OT but I wanted
to get an impartial view on the matter from the users of both the
systems. Anything different running TB! under XP?
 
Or, should I take this to TBOT? BTW, is TBOT spam free?

I personally prefer windows 98 (if using windows) because XP has many changes
that should just not have been made.  Although XP is a little more stable in
some cases (I managed to make it blue screen 5 times on friday night, the first
time I'd managed to do it in 3 months).  If you're planning on using Novell on
your network (not likely if it is a home network) then stay very far away from
XP until they fix their driver issue.  Unfortunately there are a small number of
things I cannot stand about it, but then there are some added features that are
pretty good, like the ability to hide icons in your system tray (a great feature
if you're not supposed to be using ICQ at work ;)).  Another thing I like is
XP's start menu, you have the option to set it to store your most recent/popular
programs, so they are 2 clicks away (Start - Then program) instead of several
clicks.

I guess it is personal preference... see if you can go into a PC shop, and play
about with it for a bit, and see what you think of it.  Took me about 3 weeks to
get used to where they'd moved everything, and some 'features' I'm still trying
to get used to.

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Re[2]: OT: Win98 or Win XP

2002-07-14 Thread Ochrid

Hello Jonathan,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 5:18:35 PM, you wrote:


JA like the ability to hide icons in your system tray (a great feature

It is, but before I had XP I used a wonderful little programme
from Mike Lin: http://www.mlin.net/ His tray saver is great!

(I still use his Clipomatic)

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Re: Filter question

2002-07-14 Thread Jonathan Angliss

Hi Allie,
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 07:23:39 -0500, you wrote:

 From another machine on an LAN, yes, but not from off the internet.

That's a shame... wonder if it'd be possible in the future.  I'd guessed it'd be
possible on a lan, because you can map drives, or use the \\machine
name\share name\file name and windows would handle the rest.

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Re: AVG and message body

2002-07-14 Thread Jonathan Angliss

Hi Thomas,
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:35:21 +0700, you wrote:

 No, this is technically not possible. A virus is a program that needs
 to be executed in order to do harm. So far, it was necessary for the
 user to click on the attachment. Klez is the first virus that
 auto-executes due to the user-friendliness of OL/OE. Nevertheless,
 the malicious code is executed, and that is the very point.

Technically Klez doesn't self execute itself... it creates an iframe tag (inline
frame) which forces it to open as OE/OL are more than happy running
frames/iframes.  When Klez generates its email that it attaches itself to, it
does something like this:

iframe src=name of attached executable

When OE/OL views it, it uses the attached file as the content of the iframe tag,
and as it is an executable instead of an html page, it runs it.  One of the many
reasons I cannot stand HTML in emails.

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PGP use created from GnuPG

2002-07-14 Thread Auktion

Hi, I am a newbie to The Bat! and it seems to be a valuable program
for me. I have one problem, however, maybe someone can help me:

I created PGP keys with GnuPG 1.0.6, which I want to use, because I
published them. I installed pgp dlls from The Bat! and put the link of
secring and pubring files to the GnuPG files. But The Bat! doesn't
recognize those keys and wants to create their own keys. Can
anyone give me a hint?

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Re: PGP use created from GnuPG

2002-07-14 Thread Adam Rykala

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Date: 14 July 2002, Time: 18:21

Hi Auktion, On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, at 19:04:53 [GMT +0200] (18:04 where I live) you 
wrote:

A Hi, I am a newbie to The Bat! and it seems to be a valuable program
A for me. I have one problem, however, maybe someone can help me:

A I created PGP keys with GnuPG 1.0.6, which I want to use, because I
A published them. I installed pgp dlls from The Bat! and put the link of
A secring and pubring files to the GnuPG files. But The Bat! doesn't
A recognize those keys and wants to create their own keys. Can
A anyone give me a hint?

1) Did you go to Tools -  OpenPGP -  Choose PGP Version and select GnuPG

2)  Make  sure  that  the path to the PGP executables is either c:\gnupg or in
your path


Try that - A




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Re: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-14 Thread Thomas F

Hello angel,

On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 06:42:32 -0500 GMT (14/07/02, 18:42 +0700 GMT),
angel rodriguez wrote:

ar I check 11 different accounts on three different servers.  If I check
ar the with F2 it logs on an gets my mail.  If I use ALT F2 it check
ar most of the account and hangs on one or the other and I have this
ar message in the log.

ar !7/13/2002, 17:53:19: FETCH - Server reports error. The response is: -ERR Password 
supplied for tereno is incorrect.

This is a pretty clear error message, I would think. Is it true
though?

ar The connecion box remains open.  At this point things are hung up.  I
ar can't even close TB even if I delete the task and close the connection
ar box.

It appears as if TB doesn't release the connection.

ar I have to use the windows task manager to shut down TD and reboot
ar the computer before TB will work again.

Reboot the computer? In one version (don't remember whch) I had to
restart TB, which was bad enough.

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Email Accounts Down - No Error messages in TB!

2002-07-14 Thread Greg Strong

Hello TBUDL,

I have a few email accounts down on one domain. TB! does not show any
error messages on either send or shows 0 emails to receive on test.

I know that some of the accounts should be receiving email, since they
are used for mail lists. I've checked a few of the mail lists' web
interface and new emails have been sent. These email accounts have a
web interface to access. I've access one of the web interfaces which
did not show any of the previously sent test emails.

I am able to successfully send and receive on other accounts. I have
contacted the provider but it is most likely it will be some time
before hearing back from them. I feel this is most likely a mail
server problem with the provider, but any ideals to narrow or identify
the problem would be appreciated?

What I don't understand is why TB! does NOT provide any error messages
on either send or receive of email. Any ideals that would help
expedite this would be greatly appreciated? TIA!

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Re: AVG and message body

2002-07-14 Thread Thomas F

Hello Jonathan,

On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:33:34 -0500 GMT (14/07/02, 22:33 +0700 GMT),
Jonathan Angliss wrote:

JA Technically Klez doesn't self execute itself... it creates an iframe tag (inline
JA frame) which forces it to open as OE/OL are more than happy running
JA frames/iframes.  When Klez generates its email that it attaches itself to, it
JA does something like this:

Thanks, I didn't know that. I only know that I used to blame people
for clicking on an attachment and thus actively infecting their
computer; with Klez they don't need to click any more. All they need
is to use OE/OL to open the mail.

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Re: how to split digest mail to individual mail using the Bat ?

2002-07-14 Thread Thomas F

Hello Allie,

On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:32:49 -0500 GMT (14/07/02, 21:32 +0700 GMT),
Allie C Martin wrote:

AFA If I'm not mistaken, that command is only to import messages.
AFA What I want is when I receive an e-mail in digest mode, TB split
AFA it automatically into individual e-mail.

ACM Bursting a digest cannot be done directly with TB!. Only indirectly,
ACM and the indirect method is what Januk is indicating to you.

Januk's reply was based on a MIME digest, mine on a digest that just
adds the messages together. Is the TB digest a MIME digest?

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Re: how to split digest mail to individual mail using the Bat ?

2002-07-14 Thread Allie C Martin

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ACM Bursting a digest cannot be done directly with TB!. Only
ACM indirectly, and the indirect method is what Januk is indicating
ACM to you.

TF Januk's reply was based on a MIME digest, mine on a digest that
TF just adds the messages together. Is the TB digest a MIME digest?

No. However ...

In the original message starting this thread Adhitya said:

 I'm joining lot of groups in yahoogroups using digest mode e-mail.

He's referring to mail from yahoogroups. I don't know if they're MIME
digests but have to assume in the interest of the discussion and the
inquiry.

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Re[2]: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-14 Thread angel rodriguez

Hello Thomas,

Yes, the error message is VERY clear and that is what makes the bells
go off.  The password is correct and if I reboot my computer and only
check mail manually with F2 it works well.  Once I go to ALT F2 I get
that and thing hang up.!!

TB has work well for me for a few years and I'm not ready to can it,
but I need to find out what is going on.  Rebooting anything is out of
the question the long run.

Warmly,

Angel

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Sunday, July 14, 2002, 7:54:46 AM, you wrote:

TF Hello angel,

TF On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 06:42:32 -0500 GMT (14/07/02, 18:42 +0700 GMT),
TF angel rodriguez wrote:

ar I check 11 different accounts on three different servers.  If I check
ar the with F2 it logs on an gets my mail.  If I use ALT F2 it check
ar most of the account and hangs on one or the other and I have this
ar message in the log.

ar !7/13/2002, 17:53:19: FETCH - Server reports error. The response is: -ERR 
Password supplied for tereno is incorrect.

TF This is a pretty clear error message, I would think. Is it true
TF though?

ar The connecion box remains open.  At this point things are hung up.  I
ar can't even close TB even if I delete the task and close the connection
ar box.

TF It appears as if TB doesn't release the connection.

ar I have to use the windows task manager to shut down TD and reboot
ar the computer before TB will work again.

TF Reboot the computer? In one version (don't remember whch) I had to
TF restart TB, which was bad enough.




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Re[4]: SMTP server report

2002-07-14 Thread Jonathan E. Brickman

Jonathan With MERCURY/32 I need to use ClickOff for
Jonathan autominimization, but that is a tiny inconvenience compared
Jonathan to the benefit.

 Why? Create a desktop shortcut, move it your startup folder, right
 click on the program in your Startup Folder and select PROPERTIES
 then under RUN use the drop down arrow and select MINIMIZED.

 Why use a 3rd party app or solution to do what Windows can
 accomplish by itself?

 Just a thought.

A rather good thought. I *was* using an icon called the Mercury
Loader; this, when copied into the Startup folder with minimized
running set, did not result in a minimized MERCURY/32. Just now,
however, thinking about your suggestion, I replaced this icon with the
regular Mercury for Win32 icon, also with minimized running
set...and for some reason, this one does produce the desired effect.
So, no more problem :)


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Re: Message final glitches

2002-07-14 Thread Tim Musson

Hey Dierk,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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DH 2. Make a Quick Template with the %CLEAR macro in it and invoke it
DH before you enter anything else in your new message.

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Re[2]: SMTP server report

2002-07-14 Thread Jonathan E. Brickman

 Anyone have a caching-only DNS server they like for Win32 ???

 IIRC lot of Mercury users using DNSplus, but the better one is BIND
 4.9.8 porting by Kahn (see www.isc.org), it is run under win9x too (if
 you're using NT or W2K, the DNS is built in).

I used to use the 4.9.8 port regularly; however, I found that it
sometimes caused some sort of registry problems vis a vis networking
when used in Win98 and especially WinME.

I am now working on trying to get MaraDNS to work.  It's designed for
Unix and also Cygwin; I am going to see how it performs under Cygwin,
and maybe try to get it to work under Mingw32.  If I can do the
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Re: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-14 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hi angel.

At 3:02 PM on Sunday, July 14, 2002 you wrote the following
about [Trouble checking mail with ALT F2]:

ar The password is correct and if I reboot my computer and
ar only check mail manually with F2 it works well. Once I
ar go to ALT F2 I get that and thing hang up.!!

  I'm wondering whether TB! is too fast for that ISP? I'm
  not sure why that would hang up the program completely 
  it surely shouldn't lock up your system.

  I don't know if you are set to send  receive in one pass
  but if so, try changing option to download only  see how
  that gets handled.

  Also I'm supposing task manger is not available to you
  either.

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Auto size subject column

2002-07-14 Thread Tim Musson

The,

  For some strange reason I turned off the option to auto-size the
  subject column as threads expand. Now I can't find where it is set.
  Can someone help me out?

   TIA

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Showing Position in Tree View, when viewing messages in extra window

2002-07-14 Thread Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer

Hello The Bat! ML,

  If I hopen an email in an extra window (eg via double click on
  message) and now move to the next or the previews message, the
  highlight bar from the tree view (or list) does not follow ...

  Is it possible to active this ? Or is this a planned feature ? This
  would be really great, especially when going through mailing lists.
  Cause then u always know where u are in the thread.

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Re[2]: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-14 Thread angel rodriguez

Hello Jan,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 2:57:08 PM, you wrote:

ar The password is correct and if I reboot my computer and
ar only check mail manually with F2 it works well. Once I
ar go to ALT F2 I get that and thing hang up.!!

JR   I'm wondering whether TB! is too fast for that ISP? I'm
JR   not sure why that would hang up the program completely 
JR   it surely shouldn't lock up your system.

I also wondered if it was a speed issue?

NO it does not lock up the system but I can't get TB to work again
unless I REBOOT the system.

JR   I don't know if you are set to send  receive in one pass
JR   but if so, try changing option to download only  see how
JR   that gets handled.

I will do that.

JR   Also I'm supposing task manger is not available to you
JR   either.

Yes, I have the Windows task manager.  What can I use it for in this
situation??


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Re: Auto size subject column

2002-07-14 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Tim,

It was foretold that on Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 16:10 GMT -0400, Tim
Musson [TM] would type:

TM   For some strange reason I turned off the option to auto-size the
TM   subject column as threads expand. Now I can't find where it is set.
TM   Can someone help me out?

 - Options
   - Preferences
 - Message List

It is the first option.
 
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Re: Email Accounts Down - No Error messages in TB!

2002-07-14 Thread Jonathan Angliss

Hi Greg,
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:15:01 -0500, you wrote:

 I am able to successfully send and receive on other accounts. I have
 contacted the provider but it is most likely it will be some time
 before hearing back from them. I feel this is most likely a mail
 server problem with the provider, but any ideals to narrow or identify
 the problem would be appreciated?

I have noticed sometimes (at least with 1.60c), TB! doesn't display an error
message if the connection attempt times out.  Unfortunately timeouts are not
customizable (something on the wishlist I think).  It could be a number of
issues causing it, like a temporary server issue, or bad connection.

 What I don't understand is why TB! does NOT provide any error messages
 on either send or receive of email. Any ideals that would help
 expedite this would be greatly appreciated? TIA!

As for not showing any messages about it not sending, I wouldn't know, I've
never actually had any problems in that area.  Does the mail leave your outbox?
Or does it just pop back up on failure to send?

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Re: Re[2]: SMTP server report

2002-07-14 Thread Jonathan Angliss

Hi Jonathan,
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:22:38 -0500, you wrote:

 I am now working on trying to get MaraDNS to work.  It's designed for
 Unix and also Cygwin; I am going to see how it performs under Cygwin,
 and maybe try to get it to work under Mingw32.  If I can do the
 latter, it will be very nice indeed.

Just out of curiousity, what is wrong with your ISPs DNS servers?  Why do you
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Re: AVG and message body

2002-07-14 Thread Jonathan Angliss

Hi Thomas,
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:25:46 +0700, you wrote:

 Thanks, I didn't know that. I only know that I used to blame people
 for clicking on an attachment and thus actively infecting their
 computer; with Klez they don't need to click any more. All they need
 is to use OE/OL to open the mail.

That was how I'd managed to filter the mail out before we got our mail scanner
in place, and everybody's virus scanner were updated... I added a procmail
(www.procmail.org) filter on the mail server to search for an iframe tag in
the emails.  Seeing as I've not actually seen any emails using frames, let alone
iframes, I wasn't too worried about false positives ;)

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Re[4]: SMTP server report

2002-07-14 Thread Jonathan E. Brickman

 I am now working on trying to get MaraDNS to work.  It's designed for
 Unix and also Cygwin; I am going to see how it performs under Cygwin,
 and maybe try to get it to work under Mingw32.  If I can do the
 latter, it will be very nice indeed.

 Just out of curiousity, what is wrong with your ISPs DNS servers?
 Why do you need to run your own servers?

Even on Cox Cablevision's broadband, sometimes the DNS response is
slow.  And using a modem, DNS is immensely better if one runs a
caching-only nameserver on the local machine.

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Re: Re[4]: SMTP server report

2002-07-14 Thread Jonathan Angliss

Hi Jonathan,
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:29:54 -0500, you wrote:

 Even on Cox Cablevision's broadband, sometimes the DNS response is
 slow.  And using a modem, DNS is immensely better if one runs a
 caching-only nameserver on the local machine.

I can understand using a caching-only DNS server, saves repeatitive lookups,
hence time... but you still have to do the initial lookup.  You may want to look
into trying other DNS servers if your ISP is slow at responding.  Which I guess
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Re: Email Accounts Down - No Error messages in TB!

2002-07-14 Thread Greg Strong

Hello Jonathan,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 4:12:56 PM, you wrote:

JA It could be a number of issues causing it, like a temporary server
JA issue, or bad connection.

I don't think it is a bad connection, because other email accounts
worked on same pass.

JA As for not showing any messages about it not sending, I wouldn't know, I've
JA never actually had any problems in that area.  Does the mail leave your outbox?
JA Or does it just pop back up on failure to send?

As far as TB! was concerned the log looked like everything okay.  It
was just like accounts that were working except on receive log
indicated 0 email when there should be some.

I did here back from tech support.  Apparently there is a problem with
mail jamming the spool. I will have to inquire because I was moved to
another server back in February or March due to inconsistent mail.

If I get this email back, then things working okay for now. g

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Re: Email Accounts Down - No Error messages in TB!

2002-07-14 Thread Jonathan Angliss

Hi Greg,
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:22:00 -0500, you wrote:

 Hello Jonathan,
 
 Sunday, July 14, 2002, 4:12:56 PM, you wrote:
 
 JA It could be a number of issues causing it, like a temporary server
 JA issue, or bad connection.
 
 I don't think it is a bad connection, because other email accounts
 worked on same pass.

You mean you have multiple accounts setup in TB!, collecting from the same
account on a server?

 As far as TB! was concerned the log looked like everything okay.  It
 was just like accounts that were working except on receive log
 indicated 0 email when there should be some.

Maybe it was picking up from the wrong server, where you do have 0 messages
waiting...?

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Re: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-14 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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@14 July 2002, 15:16 -0500 (21:16 UK time)  angel rodriguez [AR] in
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AR I also wondered if it was a speed issue?

AR NO it does not lock up the system but I can't get TB to work again
AR unless I REBOOT the system.

This sounds *so* much like a ZoneAlarm-puts-the-boot-in issue. Put my
mind at rest. Tell me you're not using good-ole ZA.

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Re: Email Accounts Down - No Error messages in TB!

2002-07-14 Thread Greg Strong

Hello Jonathan,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 5:29:05 PM, you wrote:

JA You mean you have multiple accounts setup in TB!, collecting from
JA the same account on a server?

No, but close.  I have multiple email accounts setup in TB! I have
multiple email accounts setup on the same mail server. The
relationship between TB! accounts and the mail server accounts is one
to one.

JA Maybe it was picking up from the wrong server, where you do have 0 messages
JA waiting...?

I never changed the incoming mail server in TB! account settings which
have worked fine for months for each account.  How could TB! pick up
from wrong server when nothing changed in TB!?

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Re: Showing Position in Tree View, when viewing messages in extra window

2002-07-14 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Clemens,

@14 July 2002, 22:15 +0200 (21:15 UK time)  Clemens 'Gullevek'
Schwaighofer [CS] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to
The Bat! Mailinglist:

CS   If I hopen an email in an extra window (eg via double click on
CS   message) and now move to the next or the previews message, the
CS   highlight bar from the tree view (or list) does not follow ...

No, that's because (if you look at the window header) you've opened a
*folder* and not a message. Turn on the message list in the folder
view and you'll see the message list attached to that particular
folder view.

CS   Is it possible to active this ? Or is this a planned feature ?

No it is not. The way it works is perfect, that each folder view has
its own message list and memory of which message is being viewed.

CS This would be really great, especially when going through mailing
CS lists. Cause then u always know where u are in the thread.

Not needed when you turn on the Message list. See View | Message
list.

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Re: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-14 Thread Greg Strong

Hello Marck,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 5:38:46 PM, you wrote:

MDP This sounds *so* much like a ZoneAlarm-puts-the-boot-in issue.
MDP Put my mind at rest. Tell me you're not using good-ole ZA.

This is starting to sound like a good-ole broken record on this
list.

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Re: Email Accounts Down - No Error messages in TB!

2002-07-14 Thread Jonathan Angliss

Hi Greg,
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:40:36 -0500, you wrote:

 No, but close.  I have multiple email accounts setup in TB! I have
 multiple email accounts setup on the same mail server. The
 relationship between TB! accounts and the mail server accounts is one
 to one.

Ahh... understood.

 I never changed the incoming mail server in TB! account settings which
 have worked fine for months for each account.  How could TB! pick up
 from wrong server when nothing changed in TB!?

Well you said they moved an account (maybe the offending account) to a different
server.  Some ISPs have mail servers setup (if large enough) to have a single
collecting server, but several servers running behind it with the accounts on
it.  If they'd moved the account from one server to another due to load issues,
the single access point might have pointed you to the wrong server for
collection... just speciculation... probably something worth taking up with your
ISP.

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Re: Email Accounts Down - No Error messages in TB!

2002-07-14 Thread Greg Strong

Hello Jonathan,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 5:48:57 PM, you wrote:

JA Well you said they moved an account (maybe the offending account)
JA to a different server.

Yes indeed I did.

JA Some ISPs have mail servers setup (if large enough) to have a
JA single collecting server, but several servers running behind it
JA with the accounts on it.

This one is probably large enough, since I know they have multiple
servers.

JA If they'd moved the account from one server to another due to load
JA issues, the single access point might have pointed you to the
JA wrong server for collection... just speciculation... probably
JA something worth taking up with your ISP.

Yes indeed!  In fact I already logged into on-line support to try an
add additional info on the original ticket, but support marked
completed.  :Þ(

I'll have to add new support ticket to get answer and refer to
original ticket.

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Re[2]: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-14 Thread angel rodriguez

Hello Marck,

 Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP
5.1 Build 2600

NO I am not,  but I just got a pavproxy.exe error and suspect that the
problem just might the the Panda Anitvirus I recently purchased.,

I also just upgraded to TB 1.61 and the connection dialog box hanging
up seems to have gone away.

I will know in a bit if it is the Panda.  I also upgraded that.

angel






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MDP Hi angel,

MDP @14 July 2002, 15:16 -0500 (21:16 UK time)  angel rodriguez [AR] in
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AR I also wondered if it was a speed issue?

AR NO it does not lock up the system but I can't get TB to work again
AR unless I REBOOT the system.

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Re[3]: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-14 Thread angel rodriguez

Hello angel,

 Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP
5.1 Build 2600

Well I am pretty sure that it something to do with the Panda.  When
the Panda is on thing screw up when the Panda is off things work like
they did before!! The way they should.

It may have to do with pavProxy.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to get the two to work.  I would hat
to have to choose but if I had to choose I would choose TB!

angel



Sunday, July 14, 2002, 6:03:05 PM, you wrote:

ar Hello Marck,

ar  Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP
ar 5.1 Build 2600

ar NO I am not,  but I just got a pavproxy.exe error and suspect that the
ar problem just might the the Panda Anitvirus I recently purchased.,

ar I also just upgraded to TB 1.61 and the connection dialog box hanging
ar up seems to have gone away.

ar I will know in a bit if it is the Panda.  I also upgraded that.

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Re: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-14 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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@14 July 2002, 17:46 -0500 (23:46 UK time)  Greg Strong [GS] in
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MDP This sounds *so* much like a ZoneAlarm-puts-the-boot-in issue.
MDP Put my mind at rest. Tell me you're not using good-ole ZA.

GS This is starting to sound like a good-ole broken record on this
GS list.

If ZA didn't *sometimes* interfere (and with more than just TB) for
some folks, then the same answer wouldn't keep coming back, would it?

Yes Greg, I get that maybe you have no problem with it... as yet g.
Please try not to impede other people from recommending what has
proven time and again to be a sound remedial course of action: dump ZA
and put on a firewall that lets the OS work without interference.

I have never let ZA near my systems because of the bad press it gets
here and elsewhere. Allie, my co-moderator here, has some first rate
horror stories of what it did to him. That's good enough for me. I
can't afford that kind of mess.

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Re: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-14 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi angel,

@15 July 2002, 18:09 -0500 (00:09 UK time)  angel rodriguez [AR] in
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AR Does anyone have any ideas on how to get the two to work. I would
AR hat to have to choose but if I had to choose I would choose TB!

Download the plug-in for Panda from
ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/Panda.BAV, install it using the
Options | Virus protection settings and turn off any mail checking
options within Panda itself. That will help.

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Re: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-14 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hi angel.

At 7:09 PM on Sunday, July 14, 2002 you wrote the following
about [Trouble checking mail with ALT F2]:

ar Well I am pretty sure that it something to do with the Panda.  When
ar the Panda is on thing screw up when the Panda is off things work like
ar they did before!! The way they should.

ar It may have to do with pavProxy.

  Aha! I tried Panda some time ago after reading an
  anti-virus report that gave it glowing comments  now that
  I think about it, I had a similar situation as you
  describe. I don't remember what TB! version I was using @
  the time but since it was a Panda trial I dumped it off my
  system.

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Re: Auto size subject column

2002-07-14 Thread Tim Musson

Hey Januk,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q/Post3) Educational' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 4:36:36 PM.

JA  - Options
JA- Preferences
JA  - Message List

JA It is the first option.
 
Yes, I think I am blind today...
Thanks!

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Re: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-14 Thread Greg Strong

Hello Marck,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 6:14:50 PM, you wrote:

MDP If ZA didn't *sometimes* interfere (and with more than just TB)
MDP for some folks, then the same answer wouldn't keep coming back,
MDP would it?

I agree. IIRC the common denominator with ZA (or ZAP)and TB! is that
the user has an always ON connections and auto downloads. My memory
may be wrong, but I'm still on the old dial up connection and
everything manual.  Hopefully in the near future I will be able to
upgrade this old PC and change to wide band connection. If my memory
is correct, I'll probably experience the problem. g

MDP Yes Greg, I get that maybe you have no problem with it... as yet
MDP g. Please try not to impede other people from recommending what
MDP has proven time and again to be a sound remedial course of
MDP action: dump ZA and put on a firewall that lets the OS work
MDP without interference.

On the contrary I have had problems with ZAP see
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. It works for me now, but the
quality of service is NOT going in a direction that I perceive is
favorable for long term. In the newsgroup grc.security.software under
subject Re: ZAP 3.0.133 comments, Message-ID:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have in fact brought up
the matter of conflicts with TB!. I'm pretty sure this newsgroup is
visited by ZL employees, so if ZL doesn't know about problems with TB!
they do now.

MDP I have never let ZA near my systems because of the bad press it gets
MDP here and elsewhere. Allie, my co-moderator here, has some first rate
MDP horror stories of what it did to him. That's good enough for me. I
MDP can't afford that kind of mess.

It depends upon what press you read, see
http://home.cnet.com/software/0-8668147-8-8666866-1.html?tag=top5.
I've often wondered how heavy the advertising dollar weighs in these
decision, or what perspective the products are being evaluated such as
level of computer experience, etc. I do agree with you in that users
experiences have more weight in formulating my decisions about
software. This is the main reason I am a member of this mail list. g

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Re: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-14 Thread Allie C Martin

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GS I agree. IIRC the common denominator with ZA (or ZAP)and TB! is
GS that the user has an always ON connections and auto downloads.

Nope. My agony occurred while I still used a dial-up modem connection.

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Re: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-14 Thread Allie C Martin

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Jan Rifkinson [JR] wrote:

JR Aha! I tried Panda some time ago after reading an anti-virus
JR report that gave it glowing comments  now that I think about it,
JR I had a similar situation as you describe. I don't remember what
JR TB! version I was using @ the time but since it was a Panda trial
JR I dumped it off my system.

What's bugging me more is the nasty interactions often occurring and
the reluctance to look in that direction as the source of the problem.

We *have* to sound like a broken record since TB! in and of itself is
well behaved. It will not connect beautifully and then stop after
that, with the problem being cured by a system reboot or restart of
TB!. If this is happening, the problem is not TB!.

I had the same problem with Panda when I tested it and this is why the
test period was extremely short for me.

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Re: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-14 Thread Greg Strong

Hello Allie,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 9:05:21 PM, you wrote:

ACM Nope. My agony occurred while I still used a dial-up modem connection.

I stand corrected.  It is interesting that some have problems while
others do not.  What OS did you use at the time? Was it intermittent
problem not identifiable, or otherwise?

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Re: Trouble checking mail with ALT F2

2002-07-14 Thread Allie C Martin

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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Greg Strong [GS] wrote:

ACM Nope. My agony occurred while I still used a dial-up modem
ACM connection.

GS I stand corrected. It is interesting that some have problems while
GS others do not. What OS did you use at the time? Was it
GS intermittent problem not identifiable, or otherwise?

At the time I was running Win2k SP1. So far, all that I witnessed
having the same problems as I had were running Win2k as well. It would
therefore seem to be a Win2k specific problem. Note however, that not
all Win2k users that use ZA have problems.

Those running Win98 don't seem to have problems of the nature I've
been referring to. I have no idea about XP but I'd watch out as an XP
user since it's just the later version of Win2k.

The problem was intermittent at first and always cured by a reboot.
Sometimes I had to reboot multiple times to correct the problem.
Initially the connection problems occurred only with TB!, then it
progressed to involve my internet connection in general. Disabling ZA
didn't help and it was this part that was most devastating in terms of
the frustration. I felt that disabling the firewall should nullify any
connection problems ZA would cause. Well, it didn't, and it took a
while for me to realize this. I was blaming Win2k the whole time!!

There's one good thing that came out of the experience. This was my
sensitization to the fact that adverse software interactions are
common and can be very difficult to pick up since we often blame the
malfunctioning application as the direct cause of the problem. Though
the application itself will usually be the cause of problems confined
to use of the application itself, don't forget the lurking software
interaction ESPECIALLY when others cannot reproduce the problem you're
experiencing.

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Re: OT: Win98 or Win XP

2002-07-14 Thread Chanchao

Hello Sudip,

Sunday, July 14, 2002, 8:31:45 PM, you wrote:

SP Hi Batpeople,

SPAt home I have a stand alone PC with normal home usage. Should I
SPstay with win98 or upgrade to XP?  Can you guys elucidate a point
SPor two on the pros and cons? Sorry if this gets too OT but I wanted
SPto get an impartial view on the matter from the users of both the
SPsystems. Anything different running TB! under XP?

If 98 ain't broken then don't fix it and keep it running until it either
breaks (experience regular or random crashes, freezes often, etc.) or it's
time to get a new computer, whatever comes first. Of course XP is much
better than 98 or ME, but when migrating from an older computer you will
first have to make sure you have enough memory (256 Mb I'd say) and then
make sure you get new drivers for all your hardware and then you could
upgrade.. This could be as easy as sitting back for half an hour drinking
coffee, or it could be long nights of hell. However as you're a 'The Bat!'
user you're likely to have a keen interest in computers and making them
work best so you'll probably upgrade anyway. :-)

I'm running XP now, though I feel that Windows 2000 was more stable, and as
I turned all the cartoony features of XP off anyway it's virtually the same
in functionality and appearance. For home use though I would probably stick
with XP over 2000; if I was in charge of a company network then I'd go with
Win 2K.

Cheers,
Chanchao



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Re: OT: Win98 or Win XP

2002-07-14 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Chanchao,

In Reference to your Posting on Sunday, July 14 2002 at 08:04 PM PDT,

 For home use though I would probably stick with XP over 2000; if I was
 in charge of a company network then I'd go with Win 2K.

Can you not take XP Pro and design it such that all the fancy/cartoony
stuff is gone set up your Networks such that most of the security
holes are patched, etc? I understand that MS will not be supporting Win 2K
for very much longer, so I'm curious if XP Pro can be just as secure and
stable as Win 2K if you know what you are doing.

-- 
Nick Andriash
Courtenay, B.C. Canada



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Re[2]: OT: Win98 or Win XP

2002-07-14 Thread Chanchao

Hello Nick,

Monday, July 15, 2002, 10:16:33 AM, you wrote:

 For home use though I would probably stick with XP over 2000; if I was
 in charge of a company network then I'd go with Win 2K.

NA Can you not take XP Pro and design it such that all the fancy/cartoony
NA stuff is gone set up your Networks such that most of the security
NA holes are patched, etc? I understand that MS will not be supporting Win 2K
NA for very much longer, so I'm curious if XP Pro can be just as secure and
NA stable as Win 2K if you know what you are doing.

Probably; in my case another problem could be that I'm still using Office


Cheers,
Chanchao



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