Re: The BAt and PDA's
Hi Jim Lanyon - On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, at 21:36:46 [GMT +] (which was 1:36 PM where I live) you wrote: Hello All, I have just received a company PDA with Windows CE. I would like to continue to use the Bat, does anyone know how to synchronise from PC to PDA? If you have an IMAP server, you can access and synchronize by connecting to that. I have a Windows Mobile device and connect to my IMAP server and all is well. I also use TB (mostly). Of course a CE device can also talk to POP3 but you lose the synchronization. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpZcbxA3HPrb.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automating the sending of an e-mail of a backup
Hi Tony Boom - On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, at 12:20:40 [GMT +] (which was 4:20 AM where I live) you wrote: Use a batch file to completely backup the registry entries and zip up the complete Bat directory and then schedule an ftp client, I use WS_FTP, to upload the full zip to your web space 2 minutes after. Attached is a png of wsftp schedule dialogue, as you can see you can set it to regularly upload any file from any location to any location at any time of day. Never tried it but I don't see why it shouldn't work. In a sense this is how we do it as well. A stand-alone backup program and an automated FTP utility to upload off-site. BTW, I would never rely an anything less than a fully functional, robust and dedicated back-up utility for this process. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpQ5Eteo910i.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Date of a sent message ?
Hi WilWilWil - On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, at 00:11:22 [GMT +0200] (which was 3:11 PM where I live) you wrote: Io, In the source of a message, I can see the date I've wrote it and saved. But if I don't send the message immediately, just save it, I can't find a way to know the date and time I've sent it (sometimes 3 days after wrote it). snip Is there an automatically way to add this date and time somewhere in the mail itself ? I've had the same problem myself. Here in the U.S. many companies are required to retain copies of e-mails for a number of years with accurate header information. This is one (and not the only one) reason that has precluded us from using TB on a department or corporate level. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpVZ11hE44QY.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Eleven clicks for a full backup
Hi Michael L. Wilson - On Sun, 17 Oct 2004, at 16:08:42 [GMT -0700] (which was 4:08 PM where I live) you wrote: My reply... I just tried it and it only took 9, and I was overwriting an existing file. Then a final click to close. So, 9 to run and 1 to close. Why don't you try and get it down to one to two? Please report back as to your progress. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpX8Yu0x9pZ4.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hi Thorvald Neumann - On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, at 07:53:03 [GMT +0200] (which was 10:53 PM where I live) you wrote: That's what they told me when 1.xx was around... ;) Exactly! -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.1 RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp7HCrwnlOkf.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Full backup includes filters?
Hi Thorvald Neumann - On Wed, 29 Sep 2004, at 13:23:58 [GMT +0200] (which was 4:23 AM where I live) you wrote: Just cehcking - if I do a full backup with everything everywhere ticked, doe the filters (account specific, and global) get backed up to and thus restored when necessary? Yes. Just did the same today morning... ;) Interesting. Doesn't work for me. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.0.19 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpeU2jejxmlo.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail filtering on IMAP folders?
Hi Allie Martin - On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, at 19:44:54 [GMT -0500] (which was 5:44 PM where I live) you wrote: Otherwise, TB!'s IMAP is very frustrating when it comes to auto-filtering. To say the least. sigh -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.0.19 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpVA6imtlNjm.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Purging with IMAP
Hi Mean Drake - On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, at 02:27:29 [GMT +0530] (which was 1:57 PM where I live) you wrote: Somehow I think there is a problem with IMAP folders. Using TB 3.0. What happens is that the messages that I delete locally move to trash but even though I empty trash, the messages on server do not get purged. How do I purge all messages on server using TB? You need to do a Folder/Purge+Compress. Don't forget TB's version of delete only marks the message for deletion. To actually remove the message from the server, it must be expunged. In TB's parlance, that is a purge compress. RT could certainly implement this better. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.0.19 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpM6wECBpBYP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Purging with IMAP
Hi Mean Drake - On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, at 03:26:53 [GMT +0530] (which was 2:56 PM where I live) you wrote: This doesn't Purge. As I mentioned, only FolderCompress+Purge as suggested by Kevin seems to work. You can also try Folder/Maintenance and then selectively apply Purge+Compress to whatever folders you want. Now, I haven't had a lot of success with this with the 3.0 beta copies. I have found that TB has a mind of its own sometimes and expunges messages from folders other than my selection. That is my experience but I suggest caution. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.0.19 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpn2bxvIoG32.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Purging with IMAP
Hi Mean Drake - On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, at 04:25:12 [GMT +0530] (which was 3:55 PM where I live) you wrote: Compressing reclaims space space locally and makes folder easier to read for TB by removing the dead space of already deleted mails from folders. Purging on IMAP will permanently delete emails in the inbox on server that have been marked for deletion. This is incorrect. Allie is correct in his description. From the TB documentation The Purge action will result in marking messages as deleted in folders where the messages either exceed the Keep for nn days property of the folder or exceed the folder's maximum message count, in which case older messages are marked deleted. This helps you to automatically manage the amount of space your mail base occupies as time goes by. (this is not available for IMAP as Allie indicated) Purge can be useful, for example, in a folder where you keep weekly price lists, a 7 day purge will make sure that only the current price list is kept. These messages stay in place, unseen, until the folder is Compressed. The Compress option removes messages marked as deleted from the message base files. This should be done periodically to keep used space to a minimum and to reclaim the space freed in purge, delete and filter operations. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.0.19 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgp7gVFRpv1Vh.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Undeletable mail
Hi Paul Cartwright - On Sat, 18 Sep 2004, at 15:20:18 [GMT -0400] (which was 12:20 PM where I live) you wrote: to be honest, I tried TB with my fastmail account a while back, and gave up. I ended up deleting the fastmail account and stuck to POP3 accounts for TB. Fastmail works fine with TB. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.0.15 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bouncing Emails
Hi Pete Holsberg - On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 16:33:51 [GMT -0400] (which was 1:33 PM where I live) you wrote: What other email clients have the ability to bounce emails? Mulberry -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v3.0.0.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpjuwcFWYyzl.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Icons in TB! v3 are too large
Hi Bob - On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, at 22:40:21 [GMT -0400] (which was 7:40 PM where I live) you wrote: Is there any way to change the size of the icons (glyphs) in TB! v3? Even when I use a glyphs.bmp file, the icons are spread too far apart and they take up too much screen space. Has anybody figured out how to return their size to normal? You are absolutely right. It looks terrible, IMO. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v3.0.0.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpce8KLYyK2T.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version3 ?!
Hi MAU - On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 12:35:56 [GMT +0200] (which was 3:35 AM where I live) you wrote: You are not going to find anything better out there at the moment. Maybe prettier, but not better. That depends on what you define as better. As an example, if one is looking for a robust IMAP client, there are several clients that are better. If one has their own server that can filter messages, TB's strength in this area isn't as important. No matter how you look at it, V3 is very buggy but, to each their own. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v3.0.0.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpY1GX4tILkx.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: So you just bought The Bat? Ritlabs says 'Get stuffed'
Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, at 01:33:28 [GMT +0100] (which was 5:33 PM where I live) you wrote: Then you don't get any support through this list then? Oh dear... And why would you say that? Unlike every other bit of software on the market which is entirely bug-free of course, yes Version 3.0 is nothing more than an early beta. The version available 90 days ago was equally buggy. I can certainly understand the attitude of the original poster. Yes, of course, it was an absolute fortune you had to fork out wasn't it hmmm... Well, that is certainly being a SA. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpHFNnCyZK0n.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: we need real *powerful* threading
Hi Alexander S. Kunz - On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, at 11:36:52 [GMT +0200] (which was 2:36 AM where I live) you wrote: Threading by references in TB is close-to perfect (the only things I am still missing are built-in function to manually add messages to a thread and manually break a thread). Exactly, IMO. Provision for connecting orphan threads would be extremely beneficial. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpEOSedQT18e.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: we need real *powerful* threading
Hi MAU - On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, at 12:13:30 [GMT +0200] (which was 3:13 AM where I live) you wrote: Hello Alexander, Take a look at www.rancho-k.com :) This does not work if one is using IMAP and it is a kludge at best, IMO. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpWSRE5A49pq.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: we need real *powerful* threading
Hi MAU - On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, at 20:21:54 [GMT +0200] (which was 11:21 AM where I live) you wrote: Hello Kevin, Sorry, I don't use IMAP. And it is a workaround until Ritlabs decides to integrate the functionality in TB. Better a kludge than nothing :) Don't be sorry and I understand that it might be better than nothing. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpRNSxjB4ztb.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Managing IMAP messages
Hi Allie Martin - On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, at 15:04:19 [GMT -0500] (which was 1:04 PM where I live) you wrote: Brave you are. :) TB!'s IMAP behaviour is quite unpredicable. Your friend may have a good time and thank for it. It's just as likely that he could have problems. Problems that we can't really help. Oh, how right you are... -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpBhN6TsKF2Y.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Message Priority Not Showing.
Hi Chris Weaven - On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, at 07:37:36 [GMT +0100] (which was 11:37 PM where I live) you wrote: I've received some mails that are 'High Priority' and 'Low Priority' and there's nothing flagging them in my inbox to state this!? A quick F9 on the message confirms the priority isn't normal! Can anyone else confirm this? I can certainly confirm (w/IMAP). Looks like another bug. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpIbsiiCX92f.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages lacking In-Reply-To: header and not threading
Hi Peter Meyns - On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, at 18:59:28 [GMT +0200] (which was 9:59 AM where I live) you wrote: Gerard's message threads correctly here, as do all the others of his. The In-Reply-To header doesn't seem to be needed when the references are there. hmm I'm not so sure. I can go back and look at various messages that I have received that did not thread (Gerard isn't the only instance) and in all cases, the In-Reply-To header is missing. Secondly, this only seems to be happening in TB discussion forums. I don't know if that means anything or not. sigh -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpsKa1f5iU27.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages lacking In-Reply-To: header and not threading (Was: Re: Harvest Sender Email Addresses??)
Hi Zonnet - On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, at 19:34:16 [GMT +0200] (which was 10:34 AM where I live) you wrote: Hi Allie, The answer is Xray. I remove everything that is not strictly needed. I am slightly paranoid. I left the msg id in and TB uses that to tread as far as I can see. Here is another message that doesn't have an In-Reply-To header that didn't thread on my end. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgplQ4KkfBLac.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages lacking In-Reply-To: header and not threading
Hi Roelof Otten - On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, at 21:15:20 [GMT +0200] (which was 12:15 PM where I live) you wrote: Hallo Kevin, On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:37:15 -0700GMT (9-8-2004, 19:37 +0200, where I live), you wrote: KA I'm not so sure. I can go back and look at various messages that I KA have received that did not thread (Gerard isn't the only instance) and KA in all cases, the In-Reply-To header is missing. Secondly, this only KA seems to be happening in TB discussion forums. I don't know if that KA means anything or not. sigh Is that on IMAP or POP? IMAP -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpqldX1BHxz3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages lacking In-Reply-To: header and not threading (Was: Re: Harvest Sender Email Addresses??)
Hi Roelof Otten - On Sun, 8 Aug 2004, at 23:49:11 [GMT +0200] (which was 2:49 PM where I live) you wrote: AM I've noted that your messages are not threading. Upon checking, they AM seem to lack the In-Reply-To: header which should contain the id of AM the message that you're replying to. Gerard's messages do contain the references header, that should be enough for threading. (It is over here.) Strangely enough, I see the reference headers in Gerard's message but not In-Reply-To header and his messages do not thread on my system either. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpzhfLgkn0ZN.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages lacking In-Reply-To: header and not threading
Hi Allie Martin - On Sun, 8 Aug 2004, at 20:02:58 [GMT -0500] (which was 6:02 PM where I live) you wrote: The other mystery is what is happening to the In-reply-to header that TB! usually generates when a reply message is generated. Good question. I am noticing the same thing. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpRipZPXKwVy.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MyMacros 1.11
Hi Michael L. Wilson - On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, at 17:27:25 [GMT -0700] (which was 5:27 PM where I live) you wrote: The version in The Bat! still lists it as 1.10. Mine shows 1.11 -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpMbyag2XJnY.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP/MIME
Hi Alexander S. Kunz - On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, at 12:39:58 [GMT +0200] (which was 3:39 AM where I live) you wrote: My constant annoyance is that apparently there's no way to tell TB to ALWAYS use PGP/MIME (the switch defaults to auto but I want it on). You could put %pgpmime in your templates. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpekWLEYMdfH.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP/MIME
Hi Alexander S. Kunz - On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, at 17:32:20 [GMT +0200] (which was 8:32 AM where I live) you wrote: I always thought that this would automatically sign and/or crypt the message? %PGPMIME sets the PGP/MIME option to on for the current message to ensure that the PGJP/MIME format is used when the message is signed OR encrypted. Obviously, if you want to use PGP/MIME, you want to sign your messages. Yes? -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpibC1UFUq5P.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP/MIME
Hi Alexander S. Kunz - On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, at 17:56:22 [GMT +0200] (which was 8:56 AM where I live) you wrote: Hello Kevin Amazon, 28-Jul-2004 17:43, you wrote: I always thought that this would automatically sign and/or crypt the message? %PGPMIME sets the PGP/MIME option to on for the current message to ensure that the PGJP/MIME format is used when the message is signed OR encrypted. Obviously, if you want to use PGP/MIME, you want to sign your messages. Yes? All I want is that *if* I use PGP, it shall be PGP/MIME, always. Not everyone whom I exchange mails with privately has and/or uses PGP. For those that are not using it, I don't want to be bothered by requesters that tell me no key can be found (thats why I was asking if %PGPMIME wouldn't invoke sign/encrypt automatically), and whatnot. Try %USEPGP. This will enable using of OpenPGP for encryption/signing of the current message. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpbEjBFMXhpw.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Actual folder of a message in a virtual folder
Hi Dan Grunberg - On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, at 10:13:46 [GMT -0400] (which was 7:13 AM where I live) you wrote: Is there a way of showing in a virtual folder, which folders the messages actually are in? Yes, set up a view mode specific to your virtual folder. Then, in View Mode Setup, set to display Folder. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v2.12.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpAnkWDo5sLd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Batworld.de in english?
Hi Darrin Rich - On Sat, 24 Jul 2004, at 18:10:45 [GMT -0700] (which was 6:10 PM where I live) you wrote: Hello , Batworld.de looks like it has a lot of information on the site. But since its not in english, I have no ideas what exactly is on there. Is there a site similar to this but in english? If so please provide link(s) Thanks Go to Google (or Babblefish or AltaVista) and translate the site into English. That's what I do and it works great. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpVLF8uthIQL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Severe timeout bug
Hi Joey Lindstrom - On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, at 11:35:03 [GMT -0600] (which was 10:35 AM where I live) you wrote: I've got about 9 or 10 email accounts. One of them checks a server on my local network, while all the others check a server on a remote network, which is connected to my network via a VPN. The VPN software runs on the two servers, and I use a RIP client on this Windows XP machine to obtain routing information (to route traffic via these two servers). The VPN connection is over a pair of DSL links, which occasionally hiccup and go down for 45 seconds or so before reestablishing. The problem occurs if The Bat! checks for mail during that time (and only occurs in V2.12, not V2.04). A little while after performing the upgrade, I noticed that my Connection Centre was open (but hidden behind the main window). I brought it to the foreground and found that most of my accounts were trying to check mail, and the timer said they'd been stuck trying for about 22 minutes. I selected ABORT ALL, and they all went away, though the Connection Centre remained open for some reason. From that point on, I could no longer shut down The Bat! normally. I would get a window complaining that there were still processes open, with choices of YES, NO, or MAYBE. None of them would successfully shut down The Bat!, and I had to use Task Manager to do it. When I rebooted this PC, I ran into the same problem almost immediately, because The Bat! loads up and checks mail on startup, and sometimes the RIP client hasn't yet received routing information for the VPN. On V2.04, The Bat! gives up gracefully when those mail checks fail, and subsequent mail checks work fine. Under 2.12, I get the same hang with the mail checks just sitting there waiting and waiting and waiting. Without getting into all the why's and wherefor's, you might want to download 2.12.03 that should fix your problems. It fixed some of mine regarding similar issues. All you need to do is rename the existing thebat.exe file in your program directory to something else, un-rar the beta copy and put the resultant thebat.exe in your program directory. If it doesn't work, you can always replace the executable with the original renamed version. Good luck. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpWbALhd9Io3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Severe timeout bug
Hi Joey Lindstrom - On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, at 11:49:04 [GMT -0600] (which was 10:49 AM where I live) you wrote: So this is a known issue addressed in the beta you've mentioned? Cool. Next question: where do I download it? The download page at www.ritlabs.com doesn't seem to mention it. By implication, partly. This may not help you at all but I almost bet it will as I indicated, it helped me with somewhat similar problems. The link is http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/. You may have to register. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgphYNerNPVVS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Does not send email
Hi Michael L. Wilson - On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, at 20:44:24 [GMT -0700] (which was 8:44 PM where I live) you wrote: I write a message in any of my accounts. I press end, and it just sits there. I close the message and save it, and go to the outbox, and choose send. Box=nothing to send. I close the bat, open it again, open the message again and send it and it goes. This is not right. This did not happen in the betas. please fix. Works fine here. BTW, how many posts do you need to explain the same issue? -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpyJ6xVchwVp.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ntdll.dll error always followed by Grid Index Out of Range
Hi Bill McCarthy - On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, at 22:43:12 [GMT -0500] (which was 8:43 PM where I live) you wrote: Hello TB User Discussion List, I don't get this all the time, but about once a day - generally after TB! has been running smoothly for hours. Is anyone else seeing this? I found a single message, back around April, mentioning this error. I suspect it's unique to me. I accidently wiped out the contents of my root directory (Win XP Pro) on 6/19 and got things going after the dreaded Missing ntldr message, by copying ntldr and ntdetect.com from my installation CD and creating a boot.ini from an MS KB article. Here's my root now (the dates are creation dates): 6/21/2004 2:53 199 RH_A boot.ini 6/20/2004 0:24 0 RHSA MSDOS.SYS 6/20/2004 0:24 0 RHSA IO.SYS 6/19/2004 23:15 1,610,612,736 _HSA pagefile.sys 5/27/2004 19:19 1,072,746,496 _HSA hiberfil.sys 3/31/2003 7:00 233,632 _H_A ntldr 3/31/2003 7:00 47,580 _H_A ntdetect.com Did I miss something important? snip Thanks for any ideas. I'm afraid I don't follow. What does this have to do with TB? -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpGV5C6x5CBJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: POPFile POP3 port setting
Hi Robin Anson - On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, at 13:36:43 [GMT +1000] (which was 8:36 PM where I live) you wrote: By default port 123 is for the network time protocol. I don't know if that would cause the problem, but I believe the general advice about using non-standard ports is to pick one above 1023. Is there a reason (a) for not choosing 110, and (b) for choosing 123? Note, I don't claim to be an expert in any of this! POP/IMAP/SMTP ports need to be set to whatever port the mail server is expecting. Unlikely one would ever choose to use a port used for other standard protocols (i.e. 123). Typically standard mail ports are: POP: 110 (duh) POP SSL: 995 IMAP: 143 IMAP SSL: 993 SMTP: 25 SMTP SSL: 465 It is pretty common practice for most SMTP mail servers to set up alternate ports (besides 25) to allow users to circumvent the blocking of port 25 by many U.S. ISP's. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpHTOZMvtHDF.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spell-check the subject
Hi WilWilWil - On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, at 13:33:54 [GMT +0200] (which was 4:33 AM where I live) you wrote: Really good remark. I use mail clients for years, as OE5, Office Outlook, and others, but never I've seen a spell checker for subject line. This feature is indispensable because you are dead if your mail start with a mistake just on the first line ! Maybe TB will be the first to do that. Outlook does spell check the subject line. I think Eudora does as well. TB certainly should but obviously doesn't. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpTaiZfYy1EO.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading: store outgoing msgs in folder sent from?
Hi Cory - On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, at 12:10:41 [GMT +0200] (which was 3:10 AM where I live) you wrote: Hi all, How can I achieve that all messages I sent are stored in the folders these msgs are sent from? (without creating filters for every folder) My goal is to keep the threads complete, including my own msgs. Thanks for your input! You could just create a VF folder. That is what I do when I want to keep contents of various folders together and thread the messages. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpHb6GQkntJi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which version of PGP to use.
Hi Zonnet - On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, at 20:03:35 [GMT +0200] (which was 11:03 AM where I live) you wrote: Hi Bat Users, I would like to hear from other TB user which version currently works best with TB and if there are any pitfalls to look out for. Thanks. I use PGP 8.x. It integrates nicely and I am very happy. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp3z8fHE6GkF.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Help files, including help with outsourced files [was Re: BayesIt]
Hi Plan9 - On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, at 22:54:04 [GMT -0400] (which was 7:54 PM where I live) you wrote: Monday, July 12, 2004, 7:39:52 PM, Roelof wrote: snip For me weird things have been happening all day as far a e-mail is concerned. I have been getting duplicates and triplicates of emails. Some as close as an hour apart and others several hours later. I just chalked it up as Bellsouth (my ISP and mail server) having a bad-hair day. But the problem may be more wide spread. Anyone else having problems. I don't think it is TB! I'm getting duplicate messages from the TB messaging server all day myself but from no other source. 9Val had mentioned there were problems earlier in the day but have yet to subside, apparently. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 RC/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgphzU2JFvYYV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: View emails marked as deleted
Hi Roelof Otten - On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, at 14:29:22 [GMT +0200] (which was 5:29 AM where I live) you wrote: Try this in the menu: Folder - Browse deleted messages Works for pop3 accounts, might work imap, though I don't have any experience with that. Actually, it works fine for IMAP until the message is actually removed from the message store. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 RC/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgppWGRBOYVXu.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP - another specific query
Hi Mike Smith - On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, at 08:29:57 [GMT +0100] (which was 12:29 AM where I live) you wrote: Hi Kevin KA Most of the feature list works as advertised. I think you will be KA extremely happy with TB if you have some patience and willing to put KA in the time to learn. KA Hope this helps. snip Three things here: 1. A conversion facility to transfer a POP3 message base across to an IMAP server. 2. Speed was a real issue when synchronising 20 or more folders. 3. There seems to be a feeling that people would like syncrhonisation to be more obviously local storage. Cheers mike Thanks Mike, I appreciate your comments. 1. The conversion facility to transfer a POP3 message to IMAP should be nothing more than a drag and drop from one folder to another. I have tested that with our IMAP mail server (MDaemon) and using the IMAP functionality of FastMail. It is seamless. Other IMAP mail servers may be different but this difference is usually caused by (1) the mail server isn't really IMAP compliant and (2) the IMAP server is installed incorrectly. 2. I won't deny speed is an issue with TB. It is slower than I would like but I am hopeful this will be fixed soon. I probably have 50 or so folders spread across multiple IMAP servers and, to-be-honest, I just go get a cup of coffee while TB does its thing. My setting are probably a bit abnormal though, too. It shouldn't be a show-stopper. 3. It is difficult to have it both ways; the benefits of IMAP (centralized message store accessed for anywhere, anytime and on any platform) and the speed of keeping messages on local storage. Hope this helps. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpYZaWU4DKSE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Plug-ins
Hi David Boggon - On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, at 17:31:58 [GMT +1000] (which was 12:31 AM where I live) you wrote: snip um, my German isn't what it used to be ... how comes there isn't an equivalent site in English? could the authors stretch to a translated page? Use AltaVista or BabbleFish to translate. It works fine. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpuzjGmfNh7d.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP - another specific query
Hi Charles M. Gerungan - On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, at 18:33:24 [GMT +0200] (which was 9:33 AM where I live) you wrote: snip If you earn your living using TB!, are you sure that you want to make that depend on beta software? IMAP support is constantly being worked on, so it might be better to wait. I mean, if something goes wrong, will you accept a simple sorry from a mailing list subscriber with possibly 10 lines of explanation? I would agree. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0ZHph8FRux.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP - another specific query
Hi Allie Martin - On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, at 12:38:35 [GMT -0500] (which was 10:38 AM where I live) you wrote: Kevin Amazon wrote: snip I think he's more thinking about simply changing a POP to an IMAP account. TB! autocreates corresponding IMAP folders on the server and moves the messages to them. Agreed snip I think the main speed problem is associated with TB!'s inability to establish multiple concomitant connections with the server, each of them being handled by their own threads. In this way, commands can be prioritized. Background automated stuff can take place on one connection while another connection is spawned by direct user requests for message bodies etc. When I watch TB! do a single task, it's very fast. However, when I request a message body, I often have to wait a while at work while TB! completes what's already queued to be done. Yes, it appears that this is the case. snip Sounds as though your connection is medium speed to slow. In such instances I'd recommend limiting automated requests. One start would be to limit what is sync'd. At work, I don't have any folders set to be autosync'd. I work with each folder manually. In this way, bandwidth is dedicated to my requests. Actually, all the IMAP servers are local on gig ethernet. Speed is not an issue. I will admit some of the speed issues are the result of my TB settings. I have had so many problems with IMAP synchronizations, I finally flush all the caches on exit so, on the resultant start-up, everything has to be restored. I also have autosync turned on. But, it is still significantly slower than Outlook or Thunderbird. snip You could have it both ways if you're on an LAN and move from machine to machine on the LAN. At home I manage mail from two machines and the server is on the LAN. It's as if I'm working with mail locally. However, managing mail from work by connecting to my server at home is a different ballgame. I understand what you are saying and that is how I work (exclusively with IMAP) so my point was more of working with a centralized and remote (even on a LAN) message store versus a local POP message store. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp5KdX2pUzkE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP - another specific query
Hi 9Val - On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, at 23:01:23 [GMT +0300] (which was 1:01 PM where I live) you wrote: snip Well, at home I'm working with IMAP at 21.6Kbit dial-up. So speed is a really *big* issue for me. And I prefer to use TB! without any synchronization - I just walk through folders and TB! loads only UIDS and Flags (downloading headers for last 1000 mails from TBBETA is quite slowly on clients which load full headers) . After selecting folder I'm walking through unread messages and only they are loaded - no overhead. So... May be Thunderbird is faster on wide connections, don't know and have no possibility to test Yea, I'm sure that with little overhead TB is very quick indeed. I am only trying to compare Outlook and TB with like settings. TB is markedly slower (that is not a complaint...only an observation) -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpD398xNP0jy.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP - another specific query
Hi Allie Martin - On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, at 17:02:04 [GMT -0500] (which was 3:02 PM where I live) you wrote: snip Pretty much. I've been using it since January this year. I've seen it develop from being almost unusable to being much better as it currently is. I've also tried many other clients in the interim and have a good idea of how TB!'s IMAP works when compared to other clients. I can say without reservation that TB!'s is the most elegant and with the other TB! features makes for the best IMAP client available. The features just need to be ironed out, streamlined, tidied up and made to work reliably with the different servers. A lot has been done since I started using IMAP and I'm quite confident that things will continue to be improved. snip There is no question TB has improved dramatically over the last few months with regards to IMAP functionality. I agree with you that considering the overall client functionality, TB has the potential of becoming the ultimate e-mail client. However, total IMAP functionality isn't quite there yet and is hardly the best available IMAP client at the present time. As TB strives for and implements IMAP RFC compliance and addresses the current bugs, this will obviously change. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpvRzNtj07GS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP - another specific query
Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, at 00:42:44 [GMT +0100] (which was 4:42 PM where I live) you wrote: However, total IMAP functionality isn't quite there yet... Aahh - now here's the rub... I need to know, before I jump - what functionality is NOT there. My problem is, not knowing what functionality is possible - I don't know what's missing. Will filter actions, auto-replies, auto-message using templates, address list manipulation etc etc work? TB has awesome functionality. I've been using it in a production environment for about 6 weeks and I'm still figuring out all the functions. Almost anything is possible if one doesn't mind digging through the list archives and seeing what other people have done. The existing documentation leaves a lot to be desired. I'll address the IMAP functionality and leave it to others to expand on a lot of the other things. Needless to say, the template and filter functionality, IMO, is its strong point. The key issues with regards to IMAP are: 1. Draft messages are put in the local outbox folder rather than the industry standard IMAP draft folder. For those that are used to using IMAP, we have found this to be a significant usability issue. 2. Synchronization of the IMAP folders is much slower than Outlook or Eudora. I am confident that this will be addressed in the near future. 3. There are some bugs in the latest public beta that requires some patience but again, these will be fixed. 4. Not IMAP but if you are expecting Outlook address book capabilities, the TB address book isn't quite there yet but it is getting close. Again, you can look at other peoples experience with the address book. Most of the feature list works as advertised. I think you will be extremely happy with TB if you have some patience and willing to put in the time to learn. Hope this helps. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpk6dOib2VX5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP - another specific query
Hi Allie Martin - On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, at 21:08:21 [GMT -0500] (which was 7:08 PM where I live) you wrote: Kevin Amazon, [KA] wrote: The key issues with regards to IMAP are: I wanted to add a couple other lacking features that are very useful: a) selective download message text without attachments on a per message basis. One can then view the message body over a slow connection without having to download large attachments. Large attachments can be left for sessions over a faster connection. b) download of only X amount of headers for sync operations. At the moment TB! has to sync all headers for messages in an IMAP folder for you to be able to read a message. The IMAP protocol does make it possible to download only the last 50 messages. You can then choose to download more if you like. Additionally, the IMAP protocol makes it possible to create a list of messages without actually downloading the full headers. Downloading full headers takes longer than downloading only enough information to create the message list. c) support for colour coding messages or support for extra flags apart from the basic read/unread forward/redirected flags. Currently all other labelling like colour coding, TB! flagging and parking are local. Move the message to another folder and the TB! label, flagging is lost. Only the standard ones are preserved. Point well taken. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpc5XGQT4fgR.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to show in the prinout the cc/bcc recipients
Hi Anubhav Roy - On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, at 07:41:30 [GMT +0530] (which was 7:11 PM where I live) you wrote: can anyone help.. new to forum thanks in advance Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Welcome to the forum. Try Message/print setup/template BTW, you need to include your signature in the proper format. Please look at the forum FAQ -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpY5pGCadUg1.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Table formatting
Hi Julian Beach (Lists) - On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, at 08:50:53 [GMT +0100] (which was 12:50 AM where I live) you wrote: snip FAQ on the web page developers' site: Q: How do I protect my work so that people cannot copy the code? A: You can't. But if you use FrontPage, nobody will *want* to copy it. Insert your favourite Office application in place of FrontPage. :-) Julian See, there you go. MS Office is safe to use... ;-) -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpieggmh4Kws.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Table formatting
Hi Allister Jenks - On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, at 16:12:33 [GMT +1200] (which was 9:12 PM where I live) you wrote: Sunday, July 4, 2004, 10:33:11 AM, Kevin wrote: snip OK, I'm being a bit of a purist, but I feel in good company considering the extensive anti-HTML email threads of times gone by. snip snip And yes, I know the two pages look different, but with less code I solved the original poster's problem and if one were fussy about the width then a simple ;width:568px added to the TABLE style would fix the only fundamental difference (actually, *I* think mine looks better anyway). That's my concern. I understand what you are saying. My only point was that (1)TB is not designed to be a graphic HTML editor. It has some basic tools and that is it. (2) For fancier work, an external (not just MS Office components) program will be necessary. Whether one chooses to use Word, Excel, Open Office, Star Office or something else isn't the point. I, for one, am not going to write HTML to facilitate table design in TB. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpajH3vGDL3a.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: mails lost!
Hi Paul Cartwright - On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, at 21:51:09 [GMT -0400] (which was 6:51 PM where I live) you wrote: On Sunday, July 4, 2004, 9:09 PM, you wrote: snip I have also receieved some empty messages, with no subject, no TO:, almost no info whatsoever. But then again, I've gotten these for months. one or two a week/month.. not often, but they don't bother me. How to you filter on nothing? except that maybe they aren't to me, I'm not even sure. Known spammer technique. If the message doesn't get kicked back, they assume they reached a valid address. There are lot of things one can do server-side to preclude this but at the very least, you can filter on empty subject fields and probably the empty to field depending upon how the incoming message is constructed. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp3jhA3ddDpl.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Table formatting
Hi Costas Papadopoulos - On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, at 17:21:28 [GMT +0300] (which was 7:21 AM where I live) you wrote: Hello, Although I only use HTML formatted messages to the extent of less than 1%, I'm wondering if there is a way to change the Table formatting that is provided by The Bat. How can one change either the color of the table borders or the style (a single line instead of a double line). I couldn't find anything. I think if you want to do fancy table formatting and manipulation, you'll have to import something you created with another application (i.e. Excel, Word, etc.) -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpSsr45H1OgX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: poor Unicode support
Hi Roland Burger - On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, at 18:21:10 [GMT +0200] (which was 9:21 AM where I live) you wrote: Unicode is also for me very urgent, because I cannot write Polish characters in the addressbooks and in all templates and quick templates! If it makes you feel any better, I have the same problem with Chinese characters. I certainly don't have this problem with Outlook. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpPs9nlZ7Tgj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Table formatting
Hi Allister Jenks - On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, at 10:16:15 [GMT +1200] (which was 3:16 PM where I live) you wrote: Sunday, July 4, 2004, 4:19:03 AM, Kevin wrote: How can one change either the color of the table borders or the style (a single line instead of a double line). KA you'll have to import something you created with another application KA (i.e. Excel, Word, etc.) Ouch! That could be adding fuel to the fire. I do not recommend using Office to create HTML. snip The original poster was working with HTML anyway. At that point there is no harm using an external application to copy a table in-line. Tens of millions of people use it this way (including myself) without difficulty. What exactly is your consern? -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgptPnktbz4Yr.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hi Charles M. Gerungan - On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, at 21:40:44 [GMT +0200] (which was 12:40 PM where I live) you wrote: Hello Roelof, On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:48:16 +0200 UTC, Roelof Otten wrote: RO However you're posting garbage. Messages without Message-ID (that's RO illegal according to the RFC's) RFC2822 says under section 3.6.4: Though optional, every message SHOULD have a Message-ID: field. As a matter of fact, we have our server set up to trash messages without a message ID for spam and virus reasons. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp6smTTMcZ7F.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hi Charles M. Gerungan - On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, at 22:18:20 [GMT +0200] (which was 1:18 PM where I live) you wrote: Hello Kevin, On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:51:50 -0700 UTC, Kevin Amazon wrote: KA As a matter of fact, we have our server set up to trash messages KA without a message ID for spam and virus reasons. Danger, Will Robinson! Did you know that Outlook 2003 does not generate them? And mind you, although the word should is used in the rfc, I for one still believe that the mua should generate them. Roelof is right in the fact that it breaks References: and In-Reply-To: header fields which might be a significant problem should the message leave your network. But that almost never happens, right? :) Outlook doesn't have to. This is the job of the mail server. Any legitimate mail server will automatically assign a message ID. Spammers, of course, like to spoof all the headers including message ID. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpaOqqypLHF9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:POP3 then IMAP and back to POP3?
Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, at 21:58:37 [GMT +0100] (which was 1:58 PM where I live) you wrote: You definitely can't change from POP to IMAP. I've tried this. You have to create a new account and make it IMAP from the outset. DO you mean that it has to be a new email address different from any of the POP3 email addresses? That would be a real pain - in fact it would be unworkable as a solution for me. A lot of this depends upon your mail server. As an example, we have a mail server that our in-house users access via an IMAP client. Our traveling users access the same message store using a web client via POP3. So it is possible to co-exist IMAP and POP with the same e-mail address. If your mail server is in-house, this shouldn't be problem to set up. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp58BDLFGXWi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Problem setting up a filter for not addressed to me
Hi Charles M. Gerungan - On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, at 01:02:13 [GMT +0200] (which was 4:02 PM where I live) you wrote: KA Outlook doesn't have to. This is the job of the mail server. What rfc states this? It isn't. Why would a mta do that if it doesn't know where it's coming from? Look, I can show you thousands of outlook incoming and outgoing mail messages with message ID's. I'm not sure if there is an RFC for this or not but I believe there is. Our mail server assigns a message ID to all outgoing messages if the mail client hasn't already done so. If I have time, I'll look up the appropriate specification. KA Any legitimate mail server will automatically assign a message ID. I guess qmail is not a legitimate mta then :). If that is the case, as far as we are concerned, I guess so. KA Spammers, of course, like to spoof all the headers including message KA ID. Yes, but there's always rbl which makes you devnull it before it reaches the queue. After that, there's SA which almost catches the rest. If you're still not happy, install a c/r system like tmda. I'm perfectly happy. Let's move to pm before a moderator tells us to do so without putting MOD in the Subjec: line :). -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp3auv4kMrAD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
