Re[2]: Splitting message base by date to store old messages?
Hello Thomas, On Sunday, April 28, 2019, you wrote: TF> Hello Chris, TF> On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 15:20:04 +0100 GMT (27-Apr-19, 20:50 +0700 GMT), TF> Chris Wilson wrote: >> I am happily running a legacy version of TB! but my message base is >> now huge. I was wondering if it is possible to somehow split the >> message base based on date so I keep say the last two year's messages >> in TB!' directory structure, and store older stuff elsewhere, perhaps >> on tape or DVD? Thanks TF> What I do is I "archive" old messages to other folders. For example, I TF> name a subfolder "2016" and then move all messages from that year into TF> that subfolder. This keep each folder with a manageable size. (Make TF> sure you compact the folders in which the messages were stored TF> previously.) TF> If you want to store those messages somewhere else, you create a dummy TF> account called "Archive". Under Account / Properties / Files & TF> Directories, you to an external drive or a drive in the cloud (nobody TF> uses tape or DVD any more). This way, you don't need to keep them on TF> your computer's harddisk. TF> -- TF> Cheers, TF> Thomas. TF> Message reply created with The Bat! 8.8.2 TF> under Windows 10.0 Build 17763 TF> TF> Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: TF> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Thank you very much Thomas, as always! -- Chris Wilson "Using The Bat! v5.8.10 on Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1" -- Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Splitting message base by date to store old messages?
Hello Chris, On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 15:20:04 +0100 GMT (27-Apr-19, 20:50 +0700 GMT), Chris Wilson wrote: > I am happily running a legacy version of TB! but my message base is > now huge. I was wondering if it is possible to somehow split the > message base based on date so I keep say the last two year's messages > in TB!' directory structure, and store older stuff elsewhere, perhaps > on tape or DVD? Thanks What I do is I "archive" old messages to other folders. For example, I name a subfolder "2016" and then move all messages from that year into that subfolder. This keep each folder with a manageable size. (Make sure you compact the folders in which the messages were stored previously.) If you want to store those messages somewhere else, you create a dummy account called "Archive". Under Account / Properties / Files & Directories, you to an external drive or a drive in the cloud (nobody uses tape or DVD any more). This way, you don't need to keep them on your computer's harddisk. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 8.8.2 under Windows 10.0 Build 17763 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Splitting message base by date to store old messages?
27 April 2019 I am happily running a legacy version of TB! but my message base is now huge. I was wondering if it is possible to somehow split the message base based on date so I keep say the last two year's messages in TB!' directory structure, and store older stuff elsewhere, perhaps on tape or DVD? Thanks -- Best Regards, Chris Wilson mailto:ch...@chriswilson.tv "Using The Bat! v5.8.10 on Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1" Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
delete old messages
It is possible to set the maximum number of stored messages and/or the max days to keep messages in a folder. 1. Are this two conditions connected with AND or OR? What happens if there are more than max messages in the folder but they are not old enough? 2. I can set this option for each folder. But I didn't found a global settings dialog to set this option for all folders global. Is there one? Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: delete old messages
Hi On Tuesday 3 November 2009 at 6:34:06 PM, in mid:hcpt50$9g...@ger.gmane.org, Christian Buhtz wrote: It is possible to set the maximum number of stored messages and/or the max days to keep messages in a folder. 1. Are this two conditions connected with AND or OR? I just copied some messages to a test folder and experimented, using purge and compress from the context menu. I found that the folder is compressed first and then the old or exceeding messages are deleted. If either one of the two conditions are met then some messages are deleted. What happens if there are more than max messages in the folder but they are not old enough? The oldest messages present are deleted so that max messages is not exceeded. 2. I can set this option for each folder. But I didn't found a global settings dialog to set this option for all folders global. Is there one? I have always set it for each folder - nobody has ever pointed me to a way to set this globally or by account and I have never found one myself. -- Best regards MFPA Confusion is always the most honest response Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Old Messages
Hello Roelof, Thursday, March 22, 2007, 10:47:30 PM, you wrote: RO When you check at the server, are they really deleted? How come you always (well, almost always) ask the right question. No they really weren't deleted on the server. They are now and then I get to see if it continues happening. Thanks. -- Best regards, Richardmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] === Using The Bat! v3.98.6 on Windows XP5 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Old Messages
Hallo Richard, On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:18:12 -0400GMT (23-3-2007, 15:18 +0100, where I live), you wrote: RO When you check at the server, are they really deleted? RN How come you always (well, almost always) ask the right question. Actually I started to ask whether there were a lot of bat.tmp files, but then I switched into 'let's not blame TB mode' :-) So I blamed the server. -- Groetjes, Roelof Blessed are the pessimistic, for they hath made backups. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.98.6 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp6DMr4XyzFp.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Old Messages
Hello Roelof, Friday, March 23, 2007, 12:25:22 PM, you wrote: RO Actually I started to ask whether there were a lot of bat.tmp Actually none. RO So I blamed the server. I blamed TB because another installation of TB was behaving differently downloading the same messages from the server. Thought I was missing a TB setting . . . time will tell. Thanks again. -- Best regards, Richardmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] === Using The Bat! v3.98.6 on Windows XP5 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Old Messages
Hi Batperson, One of my Bat installations seems manages to download messages that were long read and supposedly deleted from my master ISP account. What setting am I missing when The Bat on other machines deletes messages after download? Thanks -- Best regards, Richard mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.98.6 on Windows XP5 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Old Messages
Thursday, March 22, 2007, Richard Newman wrote: What setting am I missing when The Bat on other machines deletes messages after download? Account - Mail Messages - Delete received messages from server -- Urban Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Old Messages
Hello Urban, Thursday, March 22, 2007, 6:22:49 PM, you wrote: U Account - Mail Messages - Delete received messages from server That is the setting on other machines. But, this machine will still manage to find 1,000+ messages going back a month or two. -- Best regards, Richardmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] === Using The Bat! v3.98.6 on Windows XP5 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Old Messages
Hallo Richard, On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:57:54 -0400GMT (23-3-2007, 2:57 +0100, where I live), you wrote: U Account - Mail Messages - Delete received messages from server RNThat is the setting on other machines. But, this machine will still RNmanage to find 1,000+ messages going back a month or two. When you check at the server, are they really deleted? -- Groetjes, Roelof It's not a bug. It's a seldom used hidden feature. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.98.6 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpDn4a80abtu.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup and purge very old messages
Hi, Thank you your answer. I just did not have the time to reply earlier. Thomas Fernandez [21.11.2004 13:31]: KH The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a KH per-folder-basis. I have to select keep in message base for (days) in KH each folder and then do a purge (from the maintenance menu item). That's the way to go. You have to indeed set this on a per-folder basis, but once you've done it, you're through. If you are looking for a global setting, this doesn't exist AFAIK. Ok, thanks though. This would really take a lot of time. An if I add some more folders, I have to tweak its settings again. But you are right. If I have set it once for a folder, I won't have to do it again. Then, under Account / Properties / Mail Management / Deletion, you can set it so that the messages are sent to an archive folder instead of Trash. That's good, I'll try it. KH It would be great to be able to search through the archives (=backups) KH at a later stage. You can do that with the archive folders that you create. Others use an external program call Mailbag, which can read TB message bases, but I've never used it. I just had a look at Mailbag. It can add your TB mailboxes one by one. Then I have the option to export it somewhere else. The problem is, that it cannot read the generated TB backup files (*.tbk), which would be the feature I am looking for. But great information! Thank you, Kariem Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup and purge very old messages
Hi, Greg Strong [21.11.2004 18:52]: Sunday, November 21, 2004, 7:02:00 AM, Mica Mijatovic wrote: You could do that by searching for messages using Advanced tab in Message Finder (F7), where you could do that by date(s) in all accounts. Now this sounds too easy. I could do this every two or three months. Great! This is probably the fastest on a 1 time basis although no threading (Alt+0) should be used before selecting all (Ctrl+A) and deleting. Thanks for the advice. Instead of deleting could also export to file for safe keeping if desired. I did not see any option for that in the Message Finder. But I think you propose putting them in a folder and then archiving the folder. Thank you, Kariem Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup and purge very old messages
Hi, Roman Katzer [21.11.2004 18:34]: The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a per-folder-basis. Create a common virtual folder that watches all folders you have and select a filter criterion (message older than ...). All messages created before that date will be in that folder. I think this is a very good advice. I really like the virtual folders approach. Especially for this task I would not always have to specify the parameters. Thank you, Kariem Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup and purge very old messages
On Sunday, November 21, 2004, 11:03:29, Kariem Hussein wrote: I used to think of Pine (or Horde Webmail), where the user is asked at the start of each month to automatically clean some folders. The problem is that I do not only want to delete these messages, but save them somewhere in order to access them later on. A big part of my life is saved in my email messages :) I use Delete messages older than and have folder-specific deletion set that Normal deletion just moves those messages to an Archive subfolder. -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ The only way a reporter should look at a politician is down. -- Kent's Law Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup and purge very old messages
Hello Kariem, Saturday, November 27, 2004, 7:39:33 AM, Kariem Hussein wrote: Instead of deleting could also export to file for safe keeping if desired. I did not see any option for that in the Message Finder. But I think you propose putting them in a folder and then archiving the folder. Yes. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
backup and purge very old messages
Hi, I thought it would be quite simple, but I haven't found any solution to my problem yet. I searched through the online help, knowledge base and FAQs and through this list's archive, and I just cannot believe that nobody has the same problem. Perhaps I just did not look at the right spot or for the right term. I hope someone on this list can help me. I've been using TB for a very long time now, and apparently my different mail accounts managed by TB have grown rather large. I do backups every once in a while, so I'm not afraid of losing any data. The problem is, that startup and closing of TB takes several seconds and the message bases use up too much space on my hard drive. What I'd like to do now: # select a timeframe (e.g. 1 year) # backup all these messages # delete the messages from the message base The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a per-folder-basis. I have to select keep in message base for (days) in each folder and then do a purge (from the maintenance menu item). It would be really long winded to do that with about 130 folders. Do you have any suggestions? I used to think of Pine (or Horde Webmail), where the user is asked at the start of each month to automatically clean some folders. The problem is that I do not only want to delete these messages, but save them somewhere in order to access them later on. A big part of my life is saved in my email messages :) It would be great to be able to search through the archives (=backups) at a later stage. Thank you, Kariem Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup and purge very old messages
Hello Kariem, On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:03:29 +0100 GMT (21/11/2004, 17:03 +0700 GMT), Kariem Hussein wrote: KH What I'd like to do now: KH # select a timeframe (e.g. 1 year) KH # backup all these messages KH # delete the messages from the message base KH The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a KH per-folder-basis. I have to select keep in message base for (days) in KH each folder and then do a purge (from the maintenance menu item). That's the way to go. You have to indeed set this on a per-folder basis, but once you've done it, you're through. If you are looking for a global setting, this doesn't exist AFAIK. Then, under Account / Properties / Mail Management / Deletion, you can set it so that the messages are sent to an archive folder instead of Trash. KH It would be great to be able to search through the archives (=backups) KH at a later stage. You can do that with the archive folders that you create. Others use an external program call Mailbag, which can read TB message bases, but I've never used it. -- Cheers, Thomas. Wenn ich nur darf, wenn ich soll, aber nie kann, wenn ich will, dann mag ich auch nicht, wenn ich muss. Wenn ich aber darf, wenn ich will, dann mag ich auch, wenn ich soll und dann kann ich auch, wenn ich muss. Denn schliesslich: Die, die koennen sollen, muessen wollen duerfen. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup and purge very old messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sun, 21 Nov 2004, @ @ at 11:03:29 +0100, when Kariem Hussein wrote: The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a per-folder-basis. I have to select keep in message base for (days) in each folder and then do a purge (from the maintenance menu item). It would be really long winded to do that with about 130 folders. Do you have any suggestions? You could do that by searching for messages using Advanced tab in Message Finder (F7), where you could do that by date(s) in all accounts. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast :eyes: [Earth LOG: 81 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1 with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes Libranet (Linux) 2.8.1, via Cross Over Office -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBoJHH9q62QPd3XuIRAvfXAJ9zlGVnGeRfmJubwVwM/l+U611BRgCfReVs UAmyRTvoCXLH5kF/pN+GKjc= =/uEZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup and purge very old messages
On Sunday, November 21, 2004, 05:03:29, Kariem Hussein wrote: The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a per-folder-basis. Create a common virtual folder that watches all folders you have and select a filter criterion (message older than ...). All messages created before that date will be in that folder. Regards, Roman -- Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when he is called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason. -- Oscar Wilde Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: backup and purge very old messages
Hello Mica, Sunday, November 21, 2004, 7:02:00 AM, Mica Mijatovic wrote: The only method I have found so far, to delete old messages, is on a per-folder-basis. I have to select keep in message base for (days) in each folder and then do a purge (from the maintenance menu item). It would be really long winded to do that with about 130 folders. Do you have any suggestions? You could do that by searching for messages using Advanced tab in Message Finder (F7), where you could do that by date(s) in all accounts. This is probably the fastest on a 1 time basis although no threading (Alt+0) should be used before selecting all (Ctrl+A) and deleting. Instead of deleting could also export to file for safe keeping if desired. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
importing old messages
Hello Something happened to my Bat program and everytime I clicked on the trash folder, the program locked up, so I uninstalled the program and re-installed The Bat. It would not work until I started over with a totally new install and I did not keep old settings etc. I have everything working but is there a way to get the old messages and folders into this copy of The Bat? (I can see the old messages are saved in a folder named Sandy. Thanks, Sandy Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: importing old messages
Hallo sandy, On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:51:09 -0500GMT (28-3-04, 20:51 +0100, where I live), you wrote: S Something happened to my Bat program and everytime I clicked on the S trash folder, the program locked up, so I uninstalled the program and S re-installed The Bat. Next time, just close TB and delete the files in trash folder with windows exporer. S It would not work until I started over with a totally new install S and I did not keep old settings etc. That's the problem with a new install. S I have everything working but is there a way to get the old S messages and folders into this copy of The Bat? That's easy. Close TB Make a copy of your new account, somewhere else on disk Drag all folders and files from your 'Sandy' account to your new one Oh and empty the trash folder after doing that Open TB and you should have your old messages and settings back To get your new messages back: Tools - Import Messages - From .TBB files Now point to the copy of your new inbox and you'll import the messages downloaded with your new account. (I'm presuming that you didn't create lots of folders and filters in your new account, if you've done so, you'll lose them in this way.) -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: importing old messages
Thankyou for your help. Sandy Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Using purging old messages with the folder maintenance option does not use the alternative deletion method.
Hello All, I try this question again and hope that someone can pick this up. I have a folder set up to keep messages in there, say for 5 days, and use an alternative method on deletion (moving the messages to an archive). When I close TB! the older messages will be moved to the archive, but when I use the purge folder with folder maintenance the messages will be deleted (not moved and they're not on the trash can). I hoped that this function would use the alternative method and moved the messages to the archive. Did I miss interpret the purging option? -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.01.3, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ...and the aptly named 'Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Film'. -- Monty Python Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Using purging old messages with the folder maintenance option does not use the alternative deletion method.
Hi Edgar, @4-Nov-2003, 20:18 +0100 (04-Nov 19:18 UK time) Edgar said to All: .. I hoped that this function would use the alternative method and moved the messages to the archive. Did I miss interpret the purging option? You did. Purge does what it says on the tin. A purge removes messages without going through trash (or alternates). Right now, there's nothing in TB to do this how you want to. The usual solution is to make a filter that always copies the message directly to the archive and then allow purge to keep the current skim at the right level. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.20 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Using purging old messages with the folder maintenance option does not use the alternative deletion method.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Chris, On Thursday, October 30, 2003, 1:09:32 AM, you wrote: Edgar, your PGP key doesn't have a last name! Who are you? The name in the PGP key is just the name like in my e-mail. Looking at the key now I can not change the name without revoking the key. (or can I) - -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.01.3, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 You never have time to do it right the first time, but you always have time to do it over. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 iQA/AwUBP6FzxfuJkUcPaKEsEQJxAwCfYip5s1xBL7WDmX6y3gbeBeb0QYgAnj6q 4SMvtvaK/vxsKsK1k9t6Qb/c =KFAf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Using purging old messages with the folder maintenance option does not use the alternative deletion method.
On Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 3:25:31 PM, Edgar wrote in the message Using purging old messages with the folder maintenance option does not use the alternative deletion method. mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Looking at the key now I can not change the name without revoking the key. (or can I) Once created, a key can only be added to, not changed; therefore, you must revoke it and create a new key to make any changes. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Programming is an art form that fights back. Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Using purging old messages with the folder maintenance option does not use the alternative deletion method.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello All, When I have a folder set up to keep messages in there for say 5 days and use an alternative method on deletion (moving the messages to an archive). This will work when I close TB!. It will move the messages to the archive, but when I use the purge folder with folder maintenance the messages will be deleted (not moved and they're not on the trash can). I hoped that this function would use the alternative method and moved the messages to the archive. Did I miss interpret the purging option? - -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.01.3, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ...and the aptly named 'Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Film'. -- Monty Python -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 iQA/AwUBP6AoSvuJkUcPaKEsEQLyDACdEHgKW/qLsKm6i48tNHHPT5+QAv0AoIDc AfKoizUxTXELM/gmFv2GKI3m =ugol -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Using purging old messages with the folder maintenance option does not use the alternative deletion method.
On Wednesday, October 29, 2003 at 3:51:09 PM, Edgar wrote in the message Using purging old messages with the folder maintenance option does not use the alternative deletion method. mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Edgar, your PGP key doesn't have a last name! Who are you? -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. A day without sunshine is like, night. Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Recovering old messages
Thanks for solving the moving of old messages from Win2K to Win XP -- Best regards, Venu mailto:venu;operamail.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Recovering old messages
Hello tbudl, While moving from Win2K to Win XP, I did not perform the elementary backup.Just moved the whole directory over to another partition. Is there any way I can recover my old messages? -- Best regards, Venu mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Recovering old messages
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:20:08 +0530 Venu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While moving from Win2K to Win XP, I did not perform the elementary backup.Just moved the whole directory over to another partition. Is there any way I can recover my old messages? Copy back your saved directory, start The Bat! and create accounts with their old names. The Bat! will recognize the old folders then and all settings saved in account folders will be preserved. One exception: if your user name for mail server (POP3 for sure, SMTP-auth I don't know exactly) was something with '@' in it, like your complete e-mail address, only the user part will be preserved. You'll have to change this back manually, for whatever reasons The Bat! does not preserve the whole string, but only up to the first '@' in username when 'recovering' accounts this way. -- HTH Pit Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Recovering old messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:17:02 PM RE: Recovering old messages Greetings Venu, On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 9:50:08 AM, you wrote: V Hello tbudl, V While moving from Win2K to Win XP, I did not perform the elementary V backup.Just moved the whole directory over to another partition. Is V there any way I can recover my old messages? Without the backup you will need install The_Bat! on XP to get the proper registry pointers and keys and then move the entire The_Bat!\Mail directory over to the install then start The_Bat! and create the mail accounts utilizing the EXACT name you used in the Win2k installation (i.e. the folder names under your Mail directory). At this point you should see after you type in the account name that, as you toggle through the account information screens, that The_Bat! recognizes all the other information and message base files. What you are doing is actually recreating the accounts so all your mail and folders will appear when you finish the account creation (recreation). I hope that I have explained this properly enough to get you on your way back to your old messages. - -- Regards, D Gerard Raftery Sr. Windows is NOT a virus. Viruses DO something. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Business Security 6.0 iQA/AwUBPaSsmmGmTEg4iItaEQLBUwCg8YfBQNOTU7D9s5Xk1sMgXkRaCiYAn3/T hQ8HwNCy/dh7y5bRG7H+eXoS =b/s9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Remove old messages, what date is used?
On Monday, April 1, 2002, 03:55, you wrote: TB! actually adds one day to your settings. If you select to remove messages older than 5 days, TB! will keep messages which is up to 5 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes old. No. It doesn't add any days. If it used a number one less than it does, than if your setting was to delete after one day, a message which arrived at 2359 would need to be deleted after one minute. That's not quite true. TB! does not delete messages at midnight only. It deletes them the same time they have arrived, but x+1 days later. This message will reach me at about 10:58 Tuesday (april 2) local time and I've set the TBUDL to automatically delete messages after five days. That means that this message will not get deleted until after 10:58 (or is it 10:57? I'm not sure) at Monday (april 8). It would make more sense if it was deleted at 10:58 Sunday (april 7). / Marcus Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Remove old messages, what date is used?
Hello Dwight, I wish it was at least optional to use Received or Created. I find that Created in general is more real. actually it isn't at all. I get messages which where created next week, or even next year, and that were created in 1985. I have no control over the clock settings of someone who sends me mail. By using the received date, you determine that the message will be on your machine for a finite amount of time. I agree with you that, once in a while, you and everybody get some messages with the most extraneous dates. However, if it was optional to use Received or Created, both you and I would be happy. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.60c Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Remove old messages, what date is used?
Hello Marcus, Thanks for your reply. I have selected Remove old messages On Exit in a few folders and it doesn't seem to work, at least as I expected. Which date is used to determine if a message is old, the Received or the Created one? Received. Besides, TB! actually adds one day to your settings. If you select to remove messages older than 5 days, TB! will keep messages which is up to 5 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes old. I wish it was at least optional to use Received or Created. I find that Created in general is more real. I have imported some e-mail folders from my previous e-mail client (some with messages several years old) but, for TB!, they have been Received just a couple of days ago. I now have in a same folder messages much older than those that were already in the folder, but that have been received much later. While it is true that TB! receives messages when imported, it would be good if while importing it had an option to set Received date/time equal to Created. Some thing happens with some accounts that don't use very frequently, or some that I don't check while I am on travel, the Received time may be weeks later than Created -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.60c Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Remove old messages, what date is used?
On Sunday, March 31, 2002, 5:48:50 AM, Miguel A. Urech wrote: TB! actually adds one day to your settings. If you select to remove messages older than 5 days, TB! will keep messages which is up to 5 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes old. No. It doesn't add any days. If it used a number one less than it does, than if your setting was to delete after one day, a message which arrived at 2359 would need to be deleted after one minute. I wish it was at least optional to use Received or Created. I find that Created in general is more real. actually it isn't at all. I get messages which where created next week, or even next year, and that were created in 1985. I have no control over the clock settings of someone who sends me mail. By using the received date, you determine that the message will be on your machine for a finite amount of time. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.60c on Windows XP version 5,1 Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Remove old messages, what date is used?
Hello all, I have selected Remove old messages On Exit in a few folders and it doesn't seem to work, at least as I expected. Which date is used to determine if a message is old, the Received or the Created one? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.60c Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Remove old messages, what date is used?
On Saturday, March 30, 2002, 14:12, you wrote: I have selected Remove old messages On Exit in a few folders and it doesn't seem to work, at least as I expected. Which date is used to determine if a message is old, the Received or the Created one? Received. Besides, TB! actually adds one day to your settings. If you select to remove messages older than 5 days, TB! will keep messages which is up to 5 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes old. Personally, when specifying 5 days, I want to keep messages for five days, not six. Well, thats a minor problem, it's easy to adjust your settings. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.txt Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Autodeleting old messages (was: Can we have common filters that work on all new mail?)
Hello DJR, Sunday, March 24, 2002, 7:23:27 AM, you wrote to TBUDL: D Hello lists, D Saturday, March 23, 2002, 6:32:01 PM, you wrote: D Is there a setting that will allow an auto-deletion of messages D appearing before a specific date? If I wanted to auto delete messages D saved in a particular folder that are two months old, how would I set D that up? Folder properties. Keep messages in base for 60 days On exit Remove old messages -- Best regards, Ottar Grimstad, Norway mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.online.no/~ottgrims Using The Bat! 1.60 on Windows 98 version 4,10 Current Ver: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Constant Re-Downloading of old messages
I have a copy of The Bat 1.47 which has the same sickness that every version of the Bat I've ever used has had. If I leave copies of my mail on the server at work, a Qmail / Linux machine, The Bat re-downloads the old messagessometimes every week or so, sometimes, as today, every five minutes. This is gradually driving me crazy. I need to leave the messages on the server; how do I stop The Bat from pulling them over again? Tony -- Tony A.T. Mendina "Some ignorance is acute; all stupidity, however, is chronic." Homepage: http://www.mendina.com PGP Keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Get_Keys" -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Constant Re-Downloading of old messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16 November, 2000, 4:51 PM, I saw Tony's comments made on Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:54:57 -0600, and thought I'd add my $0.02 worth: TATM I have a copy of The Bat 1.47 which has the same sickness that every TATM version of the Bat I've ever used has had. TATM If I leave copies of my mail on the server at work, a Qmail / Linux TATM machine, The Bat re-downloads the old messagessometimes every week TATM or so, sometimes, as today, every five minutes. TATM This is gradually driving me crazy. I need to leave the messages on TATM the server; how do I stop The Bat from pulling them over again? The Bat! will leave messages on the server and not re-download previously downloaded messages depending on the mail server software. I have no problem whatsoever with TB! re-downloading messages, even though I leave all my messages on the server. The problem seems to lie with the mail server. - -- A. Curtis Martin | Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Do not fear death so much but rather the inadequate life. " _ TB! v1.48 Beta/6 (S/N CCA4F9B8) | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOhRXXvAXeSHuB5k3EQJmugCfdaKZ4RXrK+FL67A/GjntaWJ5TToAoItO AzYNaDr8NF7z/SrXuDIiaJMp =K8fh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old messages...
Tuesday, February 08, 2000, 8:51:29 PM, Jast wrote: . make the folder you want to move your messages in (duh) I suggest a subfolder of the sent mail. Actually, I do it as a sub-sub-folder of sent in an "archive" account. This causes a slight amount of redundance, but IMHO it's even better this way, as you always have a fully searchable archive in one folder. Alternatively you could just click that darned "include subfolders" button. :P -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old messages...
Wednesday, February 09, 2000, 5:41:43 AM, Dieter wrote: I normally delete all messages within TB after they have been archived with MBA. This keeps TB lean and fast. I never understood this. TB! currently handles... 876 messages in my personal account. 569 messages in my work account. 17030 messages in my personal archive account. At my work machine the personal archive is replaced with my work archive which holds, uhm, well, right now, just shy of 10,000. I've not seen any problems with speed with this setup. Do people really exceed ~18500 messages on a regular basis? I mean, how many people are as obsessive about keeping sent mail to the point of having over 2 years of archives? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old messages...
Morning Steve Lamb, This causes a slight amount of redundance, but IMHO it's even better this way, as you always have a fully searchable archive in one folder. Alternatively you could just click that darned "include subfolders" button. :P I was referring to the quicksearch feature which does not work over different folders unless we had virtual folders. You know, I do like the functionality, if not the usability implentation of this. It's quick nonetheless :-D -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with 1.41 Beta/3 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 A AIM jasticle:.. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old messages...
Thursday, February 10, 2000, 5:37:42 AM, Jast wrote: Morning Steve Lamb, This causes a slight amount of redundance, but IMHO it's even better this way, as you always have a fully searchable archive in one folder. Alternatively you could just click that darned "include subfolders" button. :P I was referring to the quicksearch feature which does not work over different folders unless we had virtual folders. Well, you said search. Besides, I've never seen it work and never really miss it. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Archiving old messages...
Jast, Regarding your message dated: 09 February 2000... J Morning Mark R Harding, J Of course doing it manually like Steve suggested isn't a bad way to do it. J But if you're happy with one large folder for old messages you can J automate it fully: J . make the folder you want to move your messages in (duh) I suggest a Jsubfolder of the sent mail. J . make a sent mail filter applying to all mails and check the action to copy message to another Jfolder and select the one you created. J . in the sent mail folder properties check the options "max number of Jstored messages" and/or "keep messages in base fore days" and "remove Jold messages". This is pretty much what I was hoping to achieve. I have created a sub-folder in 'Sent' called 'Archive of Sent' and have created an 'Outgoing Mail' filter that additionally makes a copy of the message in the 'Archive of Sent' sub-folder. I copied all existing sent mails from 'Sent' to the 'Archive of Sent' and set the expiry on the 'Sent' folder to 30-days. (I can tweak this downwards later...) Thus what I have now is a snappy and responsive 'Sent' mail filter that allows me to review a message I sent recently without the annoying delay associated with my larger archive folder. Thanks to Jast for the advice here... JDH Here's how I handle the archiving, while keeping The Bat! running JDH lean and mean. JDH 1. Configure the folder options to leave messages in the base for JDH only 8 days. This can be done for the Send folder as well. Let it JDH purge messages automatically after that period. JDH 2. Use an automated backup program to save the mail database, JDH preferably to a different volume than the one The Bat! is on, as JDH generational archives. JDH (So far no dial-up problems today; knock on wood.) This is also good advice. I have a similar strategy for backing up my mail folders. The only real variation is that I create a copy (automatically of course!) of the mail-folders on my unix account because I have plenty of space (much more than on my PC anyway) and the backup regime is administered by the local computing support guys on a nightly basis so I can always rely on my data being archived. (In fact, through a Samba interface I keep most of my important work backed up this way too which is a nice redundant archive to have if one has the chance.) Thanks to John for the advice here... All in all, a very satisfying end to another 'little niggle.' Cheers, Mark --- Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6, RC 1.5 -- - Mark R Harding Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old messages...
On Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:28:38 +0900, John De Hoog wrote: 1. Configure the folder options to leave messages in the base for only 8 days. This can be done for the Send folder as well. Let it purge messages automatically after that period. 2. Use an automated backup program to save the mail database, preferably to a different volume than the one The Bat! is on, as generational archives. I have all my archives in a separate account as Steve so aptly suggested. I upkeep those manually and. I do automatically archive both my e-mail accounts folders and also my archive account folder weekly to my zip drive. I store them as .rar archives. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Oxymoron: Spending Cuts. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old messages...
On Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:41:43 +0100, Dieter Hummel wrote: For archiving I use a neat utility called Mailbag Assistant. This also allows me to quickly search thru all mailboxes. I'm surprised at TB!'s performance with a lot of mail. I have a couple folders with 4000+ messages and these folders open smartly. TB!'s startup isn't as slow with folders containing a lot of messages as it used to be. I really don't mind archiving directly rather than using a separate app. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Friends come and go, enemies accumulate. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old messages...
Hi, Instead of setting up a separate account, could I do something with setting up another user? If so, how could I relocate messages that I want to archive from one 'user' to the other 'user'? I haven't looked at multiple user features (it's only me!). I'd prefer to get the archived messages out of the main database. Don't know why exactly; I just would. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.38e (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Archiving old messages...
Hi TBUDL, Here's a quick question and it's probably bad form that I pose it now because I'm just off home for the day but hopefully you'll all be generous and forgive me... My problem... - I wish not to lose my old 'sent' messages (stored by default in 'Sent') but because I currently have just over 1600 messages in this folder I find it slow to access. Since I commonly only refer to recent messages my idea was to set up some kind of filter or expiry that would be applied to the 'Sent' folder that would move all messages older than a given age (say 1 month..) to another folder purposefully created to store an archive of the 'Sent' mail folder. This would have the effect that my 'Sent' folder was always reasonably small and therefore quick to access but I would still have my permanent record of each message sent. However, I could not see a route to doing this through either the Sorting Office Filters or the properties tab of the 'Sent' folder. Also, I drew a blank on the FAQ and (as far as I could see) previous threads of this discussion list. If anyone has any applicable ideas I'd love to hear them... sorry I can't stick around longer now but it's gone 22.20 here and I really need a break (and food!) before the next day of 'sweat and tears'. Cheers, Mark --- Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6, RC 1.5 -- - Mark R Harding Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old messages...
Tuesday, February 08, 2000, 2:22:59 PM, Mark wrote: However, I could not see a route to doing this through either the Sorting Office Filters or the properties tab of the 'Sent' folder. Also, I drew a blank on the FAQ and (as far as I could see) previous threads of this discussion list. Click on "created" tab and set it to descending order. Click on first message of the date range you want to move. Scroll down. Hold shift, click on the other end of the date range you want to move. Drag and drop marked messages to different folder. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Note to those snots that will point out that one would have to do this on a regular basis. I know that. But I am also of the opinion that when your archive folder gets large enough you'll come to understand that subdividing that archive up by year/month is wise and that you have to reprogram the filter each month to point to the new folder *anyway* and that reprogramming the filter is more work than the above described procedure. :P -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old messages...
Morning Mark R Harding, I wish not to lose my old 'sent' messages (stored by default in 'Sent') but because I currently have just over 1600 messages in this folder I find it slow to access. Since I commonly only refer to recent messages my idea was to set up some kind of filter or expiry that would be applied to the 'Sent' folder that would move all messages older than a given age (say 1 month..) to another folder purposefully created to store an archive of the 'Sent' mail folder. Of course doing it manually like Steve suggested isn't a bad way to do it. But if you're happy with one large folder for old messages you can automate it fully: . make the folder you want to move your messages in (duh) I suggest a subfolder of the sent mail. . make a sent mail filter applying to all mails and check the action to copy message to another folder and select the one you created. . in the sent mail folder properties check the options "max number of stored messages" and/or "keep messages in base fore days" and "remove old messages". This causes a slight amount of redundance, but IMHO it's even better this way, as you always have a fully searchable archive in one folder. -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with 1.41 Beta/3 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 A AIM jasticle:.. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old messages...
Hello, Jast, On Wednesday, February 09, 2000, you wrote: J Of course doing it manually like Steve suggested isn't a bad way to do it. J But if you're happy with one large folder for old messages you can J automate it fully Here's how I handle the archiving, while keeping The Bat! running lean and mean. 1. Configure the folder options to leave messages in the base for only 8 days. This can be done for the Send folder as well. Let it purge messages automatically after that period. 2. Use an automated backup program to save the mail database, preferably to a different volume than the one The Bat! is on, as generational archives. (So far no dial-up problems today; knock on wood.) -- Yours, John De Hoog, Tokyo http://dehoog.org -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Archiving old messages...
Earlier I wrote: JDH 1. Configure the folder options to leave messages in the base for JDH only 8 days. This can be done for the Send folder as well. Let it JDH purge messages automatically after that period. JDH 2. Use an automated backup program to save the mail database, JDH preferably to a different volume than the one The Bat! is on, as JDH generational archives. As most of you sharp people will realize, I meant to say for the second step that the automated backup program should backup your messages every week. (The weekly backups and 8-day retention will result in a small bit of overlap, but I think it is necessary to avoid losing articles due to international time differences. I'm not absolutely sure, but better safe than sorry.) Incidentally, I found that on NT (Japanese with SP5), NJWin CJK viewer Ver. 1.68 works extremely well for showing Japanese messages on The Bat! Ver. 1.80 and later do not work at all, although NJStar are working on the problem. I also tried NJWin on Poco, Pegasus, Calpyso and other programs, but The Bat! gives by far the best results. -- Yours, John De Hoog, Tokyo http://dehoog.org -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
\\\|/// / ~ _ \ (- O o -) --oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- Hello Oleg, Anotherworkaround--justsearchforstringlike "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd" which should NOT present in message ;-)) MG On Thursday, January 13, 2000, 5:48:38 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: Whoa, there it is. :P MG Darn. I had the same filter running and now this one--only because it MG contained 'sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd'--slipped through. OZ I just use empty string, presence NO. It's working. another thing one could do is: search for "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd" present add set "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd" not present... that will catch even these messages :-) -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roel [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Speelplein Aboe http://surf.to/aboe ** He who sitteth on an upturned tack shall surely rise. Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 on Windows 98 4.10 build A with a Intel p200-MMX @ 64 MB 21Gb Hd .oooO ( ) Oooo. --\ (( ) \_)) / (_/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Friday, January 14, 2000, Alex Sanyukovitch wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages: Anotherworkaround--justsearchforstringlike "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd" which should NOT present in message ;-)) MG Darn. I had the same filter running and now this one--only because it MG contained 'sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd'--slipped through. OZ I just use empty string, presence NO. It's working. AS Can you please comment it? Creating new filter not filling in any string in the 'strings' field, just changing presence from 'yes' to 'no'. It cathes every message. Maybe it's a bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected until we have a legal way to filter all messages. What more comments needed? -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[5]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello Oleg, Friday, January 14, 2000, 1:19:43 PM, you wrote: OZ Maybe it's a bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected OZ until we have a legal way to filter all messages. I can't understand this logic... How did you found it? OZ What more comments needed? If it is bug then I have no more questions. -- Best regards, Alex Sanyukovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13:26 14.01.2000 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hi Alex,
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:28:44 +0200GMT (14/01/2000, 19:28 +0800GMT),
Alex Sanyukovitch wrote:
OZ Maybe it's a bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected
OZ until we have a legal way to filter all messages.
AS I can't understand this logic... How did you found it?
Makes sense to me: If there is .NOT.(''), meaning if there is not
nothing i.e. anything (anything at all), the filter should catch it.
OZ What more comments needed?
AS If it is bug then I have no more questions.
I think it works correctly, according to formal logic. ;-)
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Re[2]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello Thomas,
Friday, January 14, 2000, 1:46:12 PM, you wrote:
OZ Maybe it's a bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected
OZ until we have a legal way to filter all messages.
AS I can't understand this logic... How did you found it?
TF Makes sense to me: If there is .NOT.(''), meaning if there is not
TF nothing i.e. anything (anything at all), the filter should catch it.
Lookagain: 'NOT' belongs to "Presence", so .NOT.('') means that
there is no empty strings in the mail.
So string "\n" (which separate message header from message body) is
not empty for TB!... interesting behaviour.
TF I think it works correctly, according to formal logic. ;-)
Are you sure? ;-)
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Re[6]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Friday, January 14, 2000, Alex Sanyukovitch wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages: OZ Maybe it's a bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected OZ until we have a legal way to filter all messages. AS I can't understand this logic... How did you found it? Tried empty string and presence 'yes' and found out that it doesn't work as desired -- no message triggered that filter. Than just changed presence to 'no'. Voila. -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hallo Alex,
On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:07:28 +0200 GMT (14.01.2000, 20:07 +0800 GMT),
Alex Sanyukovitch wrote:
TF Makes sense to me: If there is .NOT.(''), meaning if there is not
TF nothing i.e. anything (anything at all), the filter should catch it.
AS Lookagain: 'NOT' belongs to "Presence", so .NOT.('') means that
AS there is no empty strings in the mail.
AS So string "\n" (which separate message header from message body) is
AS not empty for TB!... interesting behaviour.
Within the logic. "\n" is a character (actually two, CR and LF). But
that is not limited to the CR/LF character pair. Most message have
more than just a "\n" in them. ;-)
TF I think it works correctly, according to formal logic. ;-)
AS Are you sure? ;-)
See above. If you get an absolutely empty message, without even
headers, the filter wouldn't catch it. But then, how would you get it
in the first place?
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Re[2]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello Thomas,
Friday, January 14, 2000, 7:34:32 PM, you wrote:
TF Makes sense to me: If there is .NOT.(''), meaning if there is not
TF nothing i.e. anything (anything at all), the filter should catch it.
AS Lookagain: 'NOT' belongs to "Presence", so .NOT.('') means that
AS there is no empty strings in the mail.
AS So string "\n" (which separate message header from message body) is
AS not empty for TB!... interesting behaviour.
TF Within the logic. "\n" is a character (actually two, CR and LF). But
TF that is not limited to the CR/LF character pair. Most message have
TF more than just a "\n" in them. ;-)
Sorry, but it is not correct!
Think again: Presence of empty string, but not Equality to Empty
string!!
TF I think it works correctly, according to formal logic. ;-)
AS Are you sure? ;-)
TF See above. If you get an absolutely empty message, without even
TF headers, the filter wouldn't catch it. But then, how would you get it
TF in the first place?
Who cares about such an empty message? ;-))
This thread is a next DEAD HORSE, isn't it, Mr. Moderator? ;-)))
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Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hallo Alex, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:10:13 +0200 GMT (15.01.2000, 02:10 +0800 GMT), Alex Sanyukovitch wrote: AS Sorry, but it is not correct! AS Think again: Presence of empty string, but not Equality to Empty AS string!! You mean presence of... 0x00? I haven't received a message with that one in it, but I agree: AS This thread is a next DEAD HORSE, isn't it, Mr. Moderator? ;-))) R.I.P. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello Alex Sanyukovitch, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:12:14 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 5:12:14 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Alex Sanyukovitch wrote: Alex Hello Oleg, OZ I just use empty string, presence NO. It's working. makes sense, not nothing can be anything (g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[7]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello Oleg Zalyalov, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:26:19 +0400 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 7:26:19 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Oleg Zalyalov wrote: Oleg Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Oleg Friday, January 14, 2000, Alex Sanyukovitch wrote to Oleg Zalyalov about Oleg How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages: OZ Maybe it's a bug, but I don't think that it should be corrected OZ until we have a legal way to filter all messages. AS I can't understand this logic... How did you found it? Oleg Tried empty string and presence 'yes' and found out that it doesn't Oleg work as desired -- no message triggered that filter. Than just changed Oleg presence to 'no'. Voila. On the other hand you can filter any mail with an @ in the header. You may loose some spam (as its one of my spam checks) but who minds... I tend to zap mail which hasnt got @ in sender and receiver. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello, The Bat Users! You would have to create a filter with strings for each person in that folder. JA Well it depends on my needs, right? If I want to filter all mail from JA one folder to one other folder, then I can just do one common string. JA For example I could search for the letter e, anywhere in the message. JA I'm 99.999% sure to get all messages from folder A into folder B. Better way - use @ character and search for it in the message headers. 100% guaranteed. -- Best regards, Andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.38e S/N E9230B5C under Russian Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello Andrew, Thursday, January 13, 2000, 9:38:40 AM, you wrote: JA Well it depends on my needs, right? If I want to filter all mail from JA one folder to one other folder, then I can just do one common string. JA For example I could search for the letter e, anywhere in the message. JA I'm 99.999% sure to get all messages from folder A into folder B. AKL Better way - use @ character and search for it in the message headers. AKL 100% guaranteed. Anotherworkaround--justsearchforstringlike "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd" which should NOT present in message ;-)) -- Best regards, Alex Sanyukovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16:47 13.01.2000 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Thursday, January 13, 2000, 6:49:35 AM, Alex wrote: Anotherworkaround--justsearchforstringlike "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd" which should NOT present in message ;-)) Whoa, there it is. :P -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hi, Thursday, January 13, 2000, 6:49:35 AM, Alex wrote: Anotherworkaround--justsearchforstringlike "sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd" which should NOT present in message ;-)) On Thursday, January 13, 2000, 5:48:38 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: Whoa, there it is. :P Darn. I had the same filter running and now this one--only because it contained 'sdafadfkldjakladjfkdjfklsfjkljlasfjslfd'--slipped through. B} Regards, Markus Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello Steve Lamb, On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:18:23 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 13, 2000, 11:18:23 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Better way - use @ character and search for it in the message headers. 100% guaranteed. Steve Acrually e is better. @ relies on the presence of an email address which Steve may not always be the case. However, all messages will have some common Steve headers in them. One of them is a Received header from each SMTP server. Steve ^ ^ ^ Steve Since the received header is always going to be there, e is always going Steve to be there. ;) correct, as one of the filters I use is if it has NO @, I zap it as spam... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Thursday, January 13, 2000, 9:29:02 AM, Alex wrote: Not really. I do remove all "Received:" fields (and others like "X-List-Command:", "X-MSMail-Priority:", "X-Resent-To:", etc.) from my mail, because it takes too much space (sometimes more that half of message). So it will not work. This is your choice and does not invalidate the fact that messages, as they come in, do have those headers and thus that letter. Besides, Date has an e in it as well. That, too, is a required header and I doubt many people here would strip that. ;) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello Steve, Thursday, January 13, 2000, 7:52:29 PM, you wrote: Not really. I do remove all "Received:" fields (and others like "X-List-Command:", "X-MSMail-Priority:", "X-Resent-To:", etc.) from my mail, because it takes too much space (sometimes more that half of message). So it will not work. SL This is your choice and does not invalidate the fact that messages, as SL they come in, do have those headers and thus that letter. Sorry, but it does mean! All header are removed before message comes to TB. SL Besides, Date has an e in it as well. That, too, is a required SL header and I doubt many people here would strip that. ;) Here you right! ;-)) -- Best regards, Alex Sanyukovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20:33 13.01.2000 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Thursday, January 13, 2000, 10:34:43 AM, Alex wrote: SL This is your choice and does not invalidate the fact that messages, as SL they come in, do have those headers and thus that letter. Sorry, but it does mean! All header are removed before message comes to TB. ... Explain. Might you actually be doing some filtering on server side? If so, my apologies for my assumptions. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Hello Steve, Thursday, January 13, 2000, 8:49:59 PM, you wrote: SL Thursday, January 13, 2000, 10:34:43 AM, Alex wrote: SL This is your choice and does not invalidate the fact that messages, as SL they come in, do have those headers and thus that letter. Sorry, but it does mean! All header are removed before message comes to TB. SL ... Explain. Might you actually be doing some filtering on server side? Not really on server side, just between server and TB!. SL If so, my apologies for my assumptions. No problem! ;-) -- Best regards, Alex Sanyukovitch 11:10:11 PM Thursday, January 13, 2000 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
Thursday, January 13, 2000, 1:11:27 PM, Alex wrote: SL ... Explain. Might you actually be doing some filtering on server side? Not really on server side, just between server and TB!. Again, explain. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: How to catch all messages in a filter - was - Re: Move old messages
On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, you wrote: SL ... Explain. Might you actually be doing some filtering on server side? Not really on server side, just between server and TB!. Again, explain. Just a small relay program which filters SMTP/POP messages. It was created to remove (or mask ;-))"X-Mailer:" fields with registration number. But it can also remove unnecessary fields from incoming mail, allows to quickly change a SMTP/POP server, receive mail from different mail acoounts in one account of mail client, etc. -- Best regards, Alex Sanyukovitch -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Move old messages (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 7:38:31 PM, you wrote: This would mean to add another functionality to filters (date check - costs processing time). It would be much easier to just add "move to" as an option what to do with old messages (in additon to delete), as suggested by Allie. I would prefer that, as I see it as "archiving", not "filtering". The message is old, you want to delete it or archive it. Why would you REQUEST something that limiting? If they offered filtering by date as well, you can achieve everything you and Allie have suggested _very_ easily. I can see having the date feature in the filters as being very useful. For example, I might not get much mail in one account, so I would like to see all new messages in the inbox, but, I also want to keep copies of the messages in individual folders. (Call one, Uncle, Aunt, Brother, etc) I could then filter them after they are a couple of days old so they go into their folders automatically. Right now, I have either Read Message filters, or I have the filter make a copy of the messages in the folders and then delete the originals manually. I don't like the Read Message filters because they are activated as soon as I move away from a message (as the name implies). This ruins threading and makes mailing lists a pain to read. I currently use the copying filter, but it seems like a waste of space, plus I still don't get ALL the functionality that a date option in the filters would provide. (eg, multiple archiving levels, new - recent - ancient history, or something along that line) That's the choice. Has nothing to do with the idea of filtering, ie sender, subject etc information, because the msg is already in the folder you want it to be in for processing. It's done being processed; discard it or keep it out of the way. That's the idea. Sure it does. If you use the Read or Replied mail filters, then your messages are processed *after* the folder receives them. Or if you use the "Delete old messages" option. There again, your messages are processed *individually* long after the folder received them. So I don't see why a filter set that uses Date as one of its criteria shouldn't be added. Of course the folders would need to be changed so that instead of having "Delete old messages on exit," they should have "Run Date Filter Set on Exit." Or something along those lines. -- Thanks for writing Januk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Move old messages (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)
Hi Januk, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:24:32 -0800GMT (12/01/2000, 16:24 +0800GMT), Januk Aggarwal wrote: [...] JA shouldn't be added. Of course the folders would need to be changed so JA that instead of having "Delete old messages on exit," they should have JA "Run Date Filter Set on Exit." Or something along those lines. OK; so these date filters wouldn't be processed at the same time as the other filters. Thus the date check will cost time only "on exit" or when I use the menu item "Purge,ArchiveCompress Folders". In that case I agree, your version is much more comfortable than mine. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Move old messages (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)
On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:24:32 -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote: [..snip..] Why would you REQUEST something that limiting? If they offered filtering by date as well, you can achieve everything you and Allie have suggested _very_ easily. Not very easily as you put it. Especially if only the date/age criteria are added. I would love if they were but other additions to the filter mechanism would be needed to create a similar effect _easily_. :) For example, I might not get much mail in one account, so I would like to see all new messages in the inbox, but, I also want to keep copies of the messages in individual folders. (Call one, Uncle, Aunt, Brother, etc) I could then filter them after they are a couple of days old so they go into their folders automatically. You would have to create a filter with strings for each person in that folder. You would then have have to apply it *manually*!!! That does not make it easy. Automation is what I'm interested in! I'm already doing what you're saying manually. The folder purge mechanism is triggered when you close TB! ... automation. :) Right now, I have either Read Message filters, or I have the filter make a copy of the messages in the folders and then delete the originals manually. I don't like the Read Message filters because they are activated as soon as I move away from a message (as the name implies). This ruins threading and makes mailing lists a pain to read. I currently use the copying filter, but it seems like a waste of space, plus I still don't get ALL the functionality that a date option in the filters would provide. (eg, multiple archiving levels, new - recent - ancient history, or something along that line) Frustrating isn't it. I'll soon get to the solution. :) Sure it does. If you use the Read or Replied mail filters, then your messages are processed *after* the folder receives them. But that applies to the Inbox only. What if you wish to regularly filter out messages beyond a certain age from another folder? That would require another set of filters reapplied *manually* to a folder containing filtered messages. :) Where's the automation in that? Automation is what makes it easy! There again, your messages are processed *individually* long after the folder received them. So I don't see why a filter set that uses Date as one of its criteria shouldn't be added. Of course the folders would need to be changed so that instead of having "Delete old messages on exit," they should have "Run Date Filter Set on Exit." Or something along those lines. And yes, you have hit the nail on the head. :) Two additional features would need to be implemented to produce an automated filtering system that would serve as a purge/archiving mechanism for folders. Filter sets would need to be implemented. One would not be enough as you proposed since you'd need to run the purge/archiving on multiple folders. One would need to be able to have a filter set be applied when the folder opens, when it closes or when TB closes. This is clearly the superior solution but it sounds like a major step which hopefully will be implemented in version 2. The code is already there to easily implement what I suggested, hence my suggestion. :) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 Beta/1 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Move old messages (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)
Hi Alexander, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:35:12 +0300GMT (12/01/2000, 05:35 +0800GMT), Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: b) To move old messages to ... For the b) option a browse button with the ability to select a destination folder, even across accounts would be nice. This makes for an archiving capability of sorts. AVK I'd rather prefer this to be done as a new filtering criteria: to filter based on the AVK message date and/or age. I really prefer all the filtering-type options to be in AVK the same place. That is, together with all the other filters;-) This would mean to add another functionality to filters (date check - costs processing time). It would be much easier to just add "move to" as an option what to do with old messages (in additon to delete), as suggested by Allie. I would prefer that, as I see it as "archiving", not "filtering". The message is old, you want to delete it or archive it. That's the choice. Has nothing to do with the idea of filtering, ie sender, subject etc information, because the msg is already in the folder you want it to be in for processing. It's done being processed; discard it or keep it out of the way. That's the idea. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Purging folders for old messages problem
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 04:11:52 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: But this last (or topmost) Received: stamp should be machine-dependant, not otherwise. Right now TB does just the same, but putting this info into the folder index file directly. This results in: 1. If the message is got from the POP or IMAP, all's correct unless the index gets corrupted. Then, on re-indexing, the received date will pretty likely be unset to the current date/time, which could result in erratic behaviour; I didn't know that this information is stored separately from the messages itself 2. If the message is imported somehow, the received stamp in folder index is set to "now", resulting in numerous inconveniences. unfortunately :-( So what I'm suggesting is: 1. If the message is received trough POP/IMAP, TB should put the Received: header with the *current* time (the time of the receiving); This would probably be helpful and does no harm 2. If the message is imported, TB should consult the latest Received: date found in the headers. But not when importing UNIX mailbox files. TB! should adhere to standards; and the standard for this kind of format is to put the received time into to the "From " line (*), as TB! does it already when exporting. If TB! creates its own standard, it would still fail to recognise the received time when importing mailbox files from other programs, eg Netscape or Agent (How does it Pegasus do?) (*) If I'm wrong here, please tell me. I couldn't find any written standard Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP-ID 0x02850F53 (DH/DSS) PGP Fingerprint 68AB D08E D995 41B4 C6FD 639D 9B94 D249 0285 0F53 "Du weisch doch, das me n imene Totemügerli nid darf nei säge!" - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
copying old messages
Hello TBUDL, Is it possible make TB move my old messages to another folder? I have a slow machine and I have 8000 messages in the sent folder, 3000 in the inbox and more than 5000 in other folders and thus it takes ages to go from one folder to another. (sometimes my machine freeses for 20 seconds when I click on the sent items and it is annoying) My idea is this: I'D like to make TB move the messages (that are older than 5 days) from sent and from inbox to sent(arc) and inbox(arc) I've found two "similar" solutions. First one is to create a read (or replyed) filter. But it would move it when I've read it. (not very useful for me) The other thing is the option saying " Keep messages in the base for ... days" But it would delete my letters and it is a thing I'd like to avoid... Is it possible what I want to do? Bye! Windisch Gergely [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! 1.36 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: copying old messages
Tuesday, January 04, 2000, 2:14:08 PM, Windisch wrote: Is it possible make TB move my old messages to another folder? Automatically? I don't believe so. Personally I just created a separate archive account and move messages from my main account to that account once a month. Shift-select, drag and drop. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: copying old messages
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 12:18:03 PM, Steve wrote: Tuesday, January 04, 2000, 2:14:08 PM, Windisch wrote: Is it possible make TB move my old messages to another folder? Automatically? I don't believe so. Personally I just created a separate archive account and move messages from my main account to that account once a month. Shift-select, drag and drop. A separate ACCOUNT? So did you totally recreate your folder structure there? Every time you add a new folder, do you have to add it to both accounts? Or did I misunderstand what you're doing? Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: copying old messages
Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 2:54:21 PM, Keith wrote: A separate ACCOUNT? So did you totally recreate your folder structure there? Every time you add a new folder, do you have to add it to both accounts? Or did I misunderstand what you're doing? Yes, a separate account. You must keep in mind, though, that I move my mail from home to work and back again 5 days a week. This means at home I have my home account, my work account and my home archives. At work it is home, work, work archives. I keep all my sent mail (except for extremely large attachments) and in case of work mail all work requests that find their way to my inbox. I don't want to transport the ~9,000 messages from work and ~15,000 messages from home back and forth each day. The ~3,000 I lug around takes a while to archive up as it is. :) With that aside the only folder structure I recreate are whatever folders I have archives for. I don't archive a lot of incoming mail. Mainly what is archived is inbox (single) and sent mail (year folders with month subfolders). These archives reside outside the mail subdirectory so I can just archive that directory for transport. Reallt, though, considering how often I add folders if I were to add one more into the archive folder isn't all that much. Maybe once every few months. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: copying old messages
Morning Windisch Gergely, Is it possible make TB move my old messages to another folder? Another nice solution is is creating subfolders, or an account with identical folders, and set up filters to copy everything to those folders and purge the stuff in your working folders. Of course, this causes a little redundance, but I don't think this will usually cause spce problems :-) -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.38e -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: copying old messages
Hello Windisch Gergely, On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:14:08 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 5:14:08 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Windisch Gergely wrote: Windisch Hello TBUDL, Windisch Is it possible make TB move my old messages to another folder? I have Windisch a slow machine and I have 8000 messages in the sent folder, 3000 in Windisch the inbox and more than 5000 in other folders and thus it takes ages Windisch to go from one folder to another. (sometimes my machine freeses for 20 Windisch seconds when I click on the sent items and it is annoying) Windisch My idea is this: I'D like to make TB move the messages (that are older Windisch than 5 days) from sent and from inbox to sent(arc) and inbox(arc) Windisch I've found two "similar" solutions. First one is to create a read (or Windisch replyed) filter. But it would move it when I've read it. (not very Windisch useful for me) Windisch The other thing is the option saying " Keep messages in the base for Windisch .. days" But it would delete my letters and it is a thing I'd like to Windisch avoid... Windisch Is it possible what I want to do? What about having a proper archive setup as it gets asked for a lot and I could use one myself. Ie where archive and online boxes are accessible and the online mesgs per box get added to the archive by a flag (ie user set) Windisch Bye! Ps I didnt see any Hungarian characters, just unreadable ABC... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Purging folders for old messages problem
Hi there! On 4 Jan 00, at 10:01, Thomas Fernandez wrote about "Re[2]: Purging folders for old mess": Hi Peter, The "received" time should apparently be equal to the *latest* time stamp found in the Received: headers, IMO. If implemented this way, many problems would have gone forever... PS Are we talking about the mailbox file format? From my understanding PS the Received time is the time in the first line of each message (the PS one starting with "From "). Wrong here:-) For example, here's the headers of this very message I'm replying to: Received: by AK2570.spb.edu (UUPC/@ v7.02, 26Apr98) with UUCP id AA03863; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:39:15 +0300 (MSK) Received: from knot.pu.ru (knot.pu.ru [193.124.85.91] (may be forged)) by wg.pu.ru (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA24465 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 02:05:30 GMT Received: from thebat.dutaint.com (ns2.dutaint.com [202.134.1.243]) by knot.pu.ru (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id FAA19846 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 05:03:54 +0300 (MSK) Received: from ms34.hinet.net by thebat.dutaint.com with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.0.0h.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 04 Jan 2000 09:04:34 +0700 Received: from 00284 ([210.242.5.6]) by ms34.hinet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05882 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:04:20 +0800 (CST) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:01:20 +0800 See what I mean, yeah? But when importing MSG files (one PS message = one file) TB! should offer your method as an option PS (probably the default instead of using the actual time) What Alex suggests is in my understanding showing the "received" time as stamped by the pop server. TB, on the other hand, uses the time when it (TB) receives the mail. Thus, it is currently quite consistent - if annoying. TB *must* put it's *own* Received: field, and that's all. Like: Received: by TB 1.38e; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:39:15 +0300 (MSK) Don't you think this would solve the problem discussed? -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: I am in total control, but don't tell my wife. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Purging folders for old messages problem
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 02:31:42 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: PS Are we talking about the mailbox file format? From my understanding PS the Received time is the time in the first line of each message (the PS one starting with "From "). Wrong here:-) For example, here's the headers of this very message I'm replying to: Received: by AK2570.spb.edu (UUPC/@ v7.02, 26Apr98) with UUCP id AA03863; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:39:15 +0300 (MSK) Received: from knot.pu.ru (knot.pu.ru [193.124.85.91] (may be forged)) by wg.pu.ru (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA24465 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 02:05:30 GMT [more lines snipped] See what I mean, yeah? So you were not talking about the mailbox format... If I export your message to UNIX mailbox format it looks like: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 5 01:01:15 2000 Received: by rzuds01.isbe.ch; id AAA31108; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:38:14 +0100 (MET) Received: from thebat.dutaint.com (ns2.dutaint.com ... Received: from wg.pu.ru by thebat.dutaint.com with ... Received: from AK2570.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by wg.pu.ru ... Received: by AK2570.spb.edu (UUPC/@ v7.02, 26Apr98) ... From: "Alexander V. Kiselev" [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 02:31:42 +0300 I was referring to this first line which shows my local time when i got the mail from my POP server (the received time from TB!). There we have the correct received time (correct unless you prefer the time when the mail reached your POP mailbox, not when you fetched it ;-) Unfortunately TB! does it right only when exporting... :-( What Alex suggests is in my understanding showing the "received" time as stamped by the pop server. TB, on the other hand, uses the time when it (TB) receives the mail. Thus, it is currently quite consistent - if annoying. TB *must* put it's *own* Received: field, and that's all. Like: Received: by TB 1.38e; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:39:15 +0300 (MSK) Don't you think this would solve the problem discussed? It would indeed be a way to save the received time in the headers. But what if some server had its time set somewhere in the future? Then TB!, looking for the latest time in the Received: headers, would find this future time... Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP-ID 0x02850F53 (DH/DSS) PGP Fingerprint 68AB D08E D995 41B4 C6FD 639D 9B94 D249 0285 0F53 "Uuuh, isch das e botterepfloorigi Schtrüpfete gsi! Die zwee hei gschwouderet u ghetzpacheret, das si z näbis meh gwüsst hei, wo se der Gürchu zwurglet." - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Purging folders for old messages problem
Hi there! On 5 Jan 00, at 1:29, Peter Steiner wrote about "Re: Purging folders for old message": So you were not talking about the mailbox format... If I export your message to UNIX mailbox format it looks like: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 5 01:01:15 2000 [] I was referring to this first line which shows my local time when i got the mail from my POP server (the received time from TB!). I just didn't get your point. Thought you've referring to the Date: header somehow. There we have the correct received time (correct unless you prefer the time when the mail reached your POP mailbox, not when you fetched it ;-) Yes, but look below... TB *must* put it's *own* Received: field, and that's all. Like: Received: by TB 1.38e; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:39:15 +0300 (MSK) Don't you think this would solve the problem discussed? It would indeed be a way to save the received time in the headers. But what if some server had its time set somewhere in the future? Then TB!, looking for the latest time in the Received: headers, would find this future time... But this last (or topmost) Received: stamp should be machine-dependant, not otherwise. Right now TB does just the same, but putting this info into the folder index file directly. This results in: 1. If the message is got from the POP or IMAP, all's correct unless the index gets corrupted. Then, on re-indexing, the received date will pretty likely be unset to the current date/time, which could result in erratic behaviour; 2. If the message is imported somehow, the received stamp in folder index is set to "now", resulting in numerous inconveniences. So what I'm suggesting is: 1. If the message is received trough POP/IMAP, TB should put the Received: header with the *current* time (the time of the receiving); 2. If the message is imported, TB should consult the latest Received: date found in the headers. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: It's hard for me to say what's right, when all I wanna do is wrong. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Purging folders for old messages problem
Hello TBUDL, I have added "keep message in base for n (days)" to 90 days. Also I have checked "Remove old messages on exit" as well as "Compress the folder", but old messages are still here. Do I miss something? Best regards, -- Technical Support http://www.monbebe.net Un site pour apprendre a etre parents -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Purging folders for old messages problem
Hello Monbebe, Tuesday, January 04, 2000, 2:02:40 PM, you wrote: MA I have added "keep message in base for n (days)" to 90 days. Also MA I have checked "Remove old messages on exit" as well as "Compress MA the folder", but old messages are still here. Do I miss something? Is the creation date of the message older than 90 days or is it the received date? TB! checks the received date, and only if _that's_ older than 90 days, will it delete the messages. I had a similar problem when I imported all my emails from OE5 - all the received dates were set to the time when I imported the messages, so now I'm looking for a way to set the received date to the creation date... ;] -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *---* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 on a PII/233, 96 MB RAM, 4 GB HDD *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Purging folders for old messages problem
Hi Carsten, On 03 January 2000 at 14:49:35 GMT +0100 (which was 13:49 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: CD I'm looking for a way to set the received date to the creation CD date... ;] Okay "Brace yerself, Sheila" as they say ... Export the messages into unix boxes - one box per day. Change the system date to each date in turn. Import them back, one box at a time :- Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Purging folders for old messages problem
Hi there! On 3 Jan 00, at 15:56, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote about "Re: Purging folders for old message": CD I'm looking for a way to set the received date to the creation CD date... ;] Okay "Brace yerself, Sheila" as they say ... Export the messages into unix boxes - one box per day. Change the system date to each date in turn. Import them back, one box at a time :- Might be simplier then that. Export to Unix mailbox, then make a simple Perl script, apply it -- and import the folders back. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Once I thought I was wrong - but I was mistaken --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Purging folders for old messages problem
Hello Alexander, Monday, January 03, 2000, 5:46:48 PM, you wrote: AVK Hi there! AVK On 3 Jan 00, at 15:56, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote AVK about "Re: Purging folders for old message": CD I'm looking for a way to set the received date to the creation CD date... ;] Okay "Brace yerself, Sheila" as they say ... Export the messages into unix boxes - one box per day. Change the system date to each date in turn. Import them back, one box at a time :- AVK Might be simplier then that. Export to Unix mailbox, then make a AVK simple Perl script, apply it -- and import the folders back. I think I'll go for the Perl version, thanks! ;] Of course, this means I'll have to write the script first, and not being too firm in Perl _yet_... I'll let you know when I'm bald due to tearing out of my own hair! *grin* -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *---* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 on a PII/233, 96 MB RAM, 4 GB HDD *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Purging folders for old messages problem
Hi there! On 3 Jan 00, at 18:12, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote about "Re: Purging folders for old message": AVK Might be simplier then that. Export to Unix mailbox, then make a AVK simple Perl script, apply it -- and import the folders back. CD I think I'll go for the Perl version, thanks! ;] Of course, this means CD I'll have to write the script first, and not being too firm in Perl CD _yet_... I'll let you know when I'm bald due to tearing out of my own CD hair! *grin* I don't think it will work because when you bring the messages back *they get stamped with today's date again*! Otherwise I would have suggested it myself! Oops, right you are, Marck:-) Didn't think about this. Actually, this could be corrected *pretty* simple indeed... If only the developers found a bit of spare time (they're apparently quite busy with scanning the X-Mailer: fields of each and every message they only can get hold of, as Stefan has kinda confessed lately on TBBETA:-))... The "received" time should apparently be equal to the *latest* time stamp found in the Received: headers, IMO. If implemented this way, many problems would have gone forever... -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Two wrongs don't make a right. Try three. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Purging folders for old messages problem
On Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:21:27 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: The "received" time should apparently be equal to the *latest* time stamp found in the Received: headers, IMO. If implemented this way, many problems would have gone forever... Are we talking about the mailbox file format? From my understanding the Received time is the time in the first line of each message (the one starting with "From "). But when importing MSG files (one message = one file) TB! should offer your method as an option (probably the default instead of using the actual time) Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP-ID 0x02850F53 (DH/DSS) PGP Fingerprint 68AB D08E D995 41B4 C6FD 639D 9B94 D249 0285 0F53 "Du weisch doch, das me n imene Totemügerli nid darf nei säge!" - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
