Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hi Richard, on Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:57:57 -0500GMT (29.12.2006, 13:57 +0100GMT here), you wrote: RHS Greetings, RHS I've been using the latest release (3.95.6) for several days now, and RHS all of a sudden my BayesIt has gone missing. Here is what Maxim Masiutin wrote about this topic on TBBeta: ,- [ mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] | If you are using BayesIt filter plugin, please install | http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit.msi | | BayesIt will be removed from The Bat! Home and Professional MSI. | This means that when you will install a new MSI of The Bat!, it will | remove BayesIt. To keep BayesIt preserved, please install | bayesit.msi before or after installing the new The Bat! MSI. `- -- Cheers Peter Pepsi Brings You Back to Life was translated into Chinese as Pepsi Brings Your Ancestors Back from the Grave. Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Richard, Friday, December 29, 2006, 7:57:57 AM, you wrote: RHS -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- RHS Hash: SHA256 RHS Greetings, RHS I've been using the latest release (3.95.6) for several days now, and RHS all of a sudden my BayesIt has gone missing. I can't swear it was RHS there when I installed the latest version, since I also use K-9, which RHS catches almost all spam. I tried the various download sites, but can't RHS find a useable download - all of the sites give me a page not found RHS error. RHS Two questions: Is this a problem with the latest release? And where RHS can I find the latest version so I can re-install it? Yes, the installation of (3.95.6) seems to delete all files associated with BayesIt except bayeslogger.exe. I'm not *sure* that this is the first release that causes that, though. -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Peter, Friday, December 29, 2006, 8:41:57 AM, you wrote: PM Hi Richard, PM on Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:57:57 -0500GMT (29.12.2006, 13:57 +0100GMT here), PM you wrote: RHS Greetings, RHS I've been using the latest release (3.95.6) for several days now, and RHS all of a sudden my BayesIt has gone missing. PM Here is what Maxim Masiutin wrote about this topic on TBBeta: PM ,- [ mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] PM | If you are using BayesIt filter plugin, please install PM | http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit.msi PM | PM | BayesIt will be removed from The Bat! Home and Professional MSI. PM | This means that when you will install a new MSI of The Bat!, it will PM | remove BayesIt. To keep BayesIt preserved, please install PM | bayesit.msi before or after installing the new The Bat! MSI. PM `- This begs the question, where is all of the training information kept? The above instructions are not satisfactory if every time you update The Bat! you lose all of your training data. -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hallo Richard, On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:57:57 -0500GMT (29-12-2006, 13:57 , where I live), you wrote: RHS I've been using the latest release (3.95.6) for several days now, and RHS all of a sudden my BayesIt has gone missing. I can't swear it was RHS there when I installed the latest version, The BayesIt plug-in is no longer included. It can be downloaded separately from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit.msi RHS Two questions: Is this a problem with the latest release? It's deliberate. -- Groetjes, Roelof The longer the title, the less important the job. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.95.6 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgppkhSV4VQYq.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Maxim, Friday, December 29, 2006, 9:25:04 AM, you wrote: MM Hello Gene, MM Friday, December 29, 2006, 15:53:07, you wrote: Yes, the installation of (3.95.6) seems to delete all files associated with BayesIt except bayeslogger.exe. MM No, it only deletes the program files of BayesIt, not the database of spam/ham messages. MM We have removed BayesIt because it is quite unstable, we'd recommend to use another plugin. Ok... nice. Just really, really, nice I started looking on Ritlabs.com and found that no anti-spam software was really current...except for one.. AGAVA which was... Developed with the assistance of the Ritlabs company, the designer of The Bat! High quality of spam filtering guaranteed! So, I go to http://www.antispamservant.com/bat_plugin.shtml for the Free plugin as described, The free version is fully functional and does not contain any limitations. I downloaded and prepared to install the plugin. Upon installation I am prompted that, Unregistered version of product includes TMAgent software that displays advertisements when you search Web. To disable the advertisements, please buy license and activate your copy. So, what I get for free is adware. Nice. -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Gene, Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:33:30 PM, you wrote: G Upon installation I am prompted that, Unregistered version of product G includes TMAgent software that displays advertisements when you search G Web. To disable the advertisements, please buy license and activate G your copy. G So, what I get for free is adware. Nice. I use this one: (paid version) and am very satisfied with it: http://www.antispamsniper.com/ I a using Beta 1.8.0.1... -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 3.95.6 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Dear Gene, Upon installation I am prompted that, Unregistered version of product includes TMAgent software that displays advertisements when you search Web. To disable the advertisements, please buy license and activate your copy. In fact I registered my copy AGAVA and tmasrv.exe is still showing up as a running process in Task Manager. I can't find this adware under Add/Remove Programs. How do I remove it? Best regards, Loek van Kooten -- Akebono Translation Service Rijnstraat 32 2311 NK Leiden The Netherlands Tel: +31-71-5128026 Fax: +31-84-7390618 www.akebono.nl Algemene voorwaarden: www.akebono.nl/algemeen.doc Terms and conditions: www.akebono.nl/terms.doc Reg.no. Chamber of Commerce: 28066372 IMPORTANT: All delivery dates stated in quotes are as of the moment the quote was sent and can change as soon as other projects come in. BELANGRIJK: Bij alle leveringsdata in offertes gaan we uit van de agenda op dat moment. De data kunnen wijzigen zodra er andere projecten binnenkomen. Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Maxim, Friday, December 29, 2006, 11:15:59 AM, you wrote: I started looking on Ritlabs.com and found that no anti-spam software was really current... MM http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/plugin/detail.php?ID=1463phrase_id=35322 No updates since August 28, 2005? MM http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/plugin/plugins.php K9 No updates since April 18, 2004? Spamihilator I don't speak German, plus it requires a log-in. SpamPal If you think I do poor German, then imagine what a mess I am with *anything* using the Cyrillic alphabet AGAVAFree Adware AntispamSniper looks like a viable product! I'm trying it now In short, the Ritlabs web site is just a mess outdated information, outdated and broken links, pages in a language that the reader doesn't speak, and stuff that nobody (*especially* Ritlabs employees) has checked out. I even wrote sales (twice) and warned them that this link (and others like it) were still proudly displayed on their website http://cu2.home.comcast.net/downloads.htm ... but I guess they don't mind. I really love The Bat!, but the documentation is nearly nil and the web site is in great need of a makeover. -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Gene, Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:55:45 PM, you wrote: AntispamSniper looks like a viable product! I'm trying it now I have been using this for some months now, and have found it very good. After training for a couple of days, I only very rarely get a good email labelled as spam and only occasionally does a spam get into my mail box. A much better experience than I had with BayesIt, and I thought it well worth the money. -- Best regards, Graham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Graham, Friday, December 29, 2006, 12:06:52 PM, you wrote: GS Hello Gene, GS Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:55:45 PM, you wrote: AntispamSniper looks like a viable product! I'm trying it now GS I have been using this for some months now, and have found it very GS good. After training for a couple of days, I only very rarely get a good GS email labelled as spam and only occasionally does a spam get into my GS mail box. GS A much better experience than I had with BayesIt, and I thought it GS well worth the money. Thanks! You are the second person to suggest this program. It looks like it may well be worth it! I never really had poor performance from BayesIt, but I do like this program's UI. -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Akebono, Friday, December 29, 2006, 11:18:51 AM, you wrote: ATS Dear Gene, Upon installation I am prompted that, Unregistered version of product includes TMAgent software that displays advertisements when you search Web. To disable the advertisements, please buy license and activate your copy. ATS In fact I registered my copy AGAVA and tmasrv.exe is still ATS showing up as a running process in Task Manager. I can't find ATS this adware under Add/Remove Programs. ATS How do I remove it? I have no clue! As soon as I saw that it was Adware I aborted the install however, I note that I *also* have tmasrv.exe running. -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Mark, Friday, December 29, 2006, 10:47:34 AM, you wrote: MP Hello Gene, MP Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:33:30 PM, you wrote: G Upon installation I am prompted that, Unregistered version of product G includes TMAgent software that displays advertisements when you search G Web. To disable the advertisements, please buy license and activate G your copy. G So, what I get for free is adware. Nice. MP I use this one: (paid version) and am very satisfied with it: MP http://www.antispamsniper.com/ MP I a using Beta 1.8.0.1... Thanks! It looks like it may be a keeper! -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Friday, December 29, 2006, Gene wrote: SpamPal If you think I do poor German, then imagine what a mess I am with *anything* using the Cyrillic alphabet Hopefully, the world is a nice place and the Russian page should be roughly equivalent to the official TB-info from SpamPal http://www.spampal.org/usermanual/clients/bat/bat.html -- Urban Abraham Lincoln became America's greatest Precedent. Lincoln's mother died in infancy, and he was born in a log cabin which he built with his own hands. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves by signing the Emasculation Proclamation. Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Urban, Friday, December 29, 2006, 12:49:40 PM, you wrote: U Friday, December 29, 2006, Gene wrote: SpamPal If you think I do poor German, then imagine what a mess I am with *anything* using the Cyrillic alphabet U Hopefully, the world is a nice place and the Russian page should be U roughly equivalent to the official TB-info from SpamPal U http://www.spampal.org/usermanual/clients/bat/bat.html Thanks! That looks to be a bit more work to set up, but has excellent directions. I'll check them out -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hi Gene, Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:55:45 PM, you wrote: AntispamSniper looks like a viable product! I'm trying it now I've used AntispamSniper for quite a few months now and my experience has been quite good. Looking at my stats, I've received 33454 messages and the error rate is 1.55%, of which false negatives are 1.21% and false positives 0.33%. A -- Warmest regards, Paul Created using TheBat! 3.95.6 on Windows XP Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hi Gene, on Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:55:45 -0500GMT (29.12.2006, 17:55 +0100GMT here), you wrote: G K9 No updates since April 18, 2004? So what? It works very well. I only replaced it by AntiSpamSniper (free version) because I preferred a plugin to an extra application working as a proxy. Both programs are very efficient as they are. :) -- Cheers Peter A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour. Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Richard H. Stoddard everyone else, on 29-Dez-2006 at 20:19 you (Richard H. Stoddard) wrote: K9 has proved to be remarkably accurate (99.6% typically, with only a false positive every few months) Are you sure it is a false positive, ie. a legitimate message being falsely classified as spam? I'm only asking because I'm using K9 for years (at least it feels like that, I've been using it on my old Windows installation, and now on this one, which will probably be the last, anyway:-) and never ever had a false positive. Excerpt from my K9 statistics: Column 1: Since Mi Mrz 08 2006 06:57:27 (296 days) Column 2: Since Mo Jun 05 2006 10:32:59 (207 days) Number of emails re-classified to Good 0 0 Number of emails re-classified to Spam6356 Percent misidentified as Spam (false positives)0.00% 0.00% Percent misidentified as Good (false negatives)0.34% 0.45% 99.66%99.55% -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) In a way, science must be described as paranoid thinking applied to nature: we are looking for natural conspiracies, for connections among apparently disparate data. -- Carl Sagan Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Peter Meyns everyone else, on 29-Dez-2006 at 20:53 you (Peter Meyns) wrote: G K9 No updates since April 18, 2004? So what? It works very well. I just wanted to say the same. ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) You cannot kill time without injuring eternity. -- Thoreau Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plugin missing
Hello Alexander, Friday, December 29, 2006, 4:31:31 PM, you wrote: ASK Hello Peter Meyns everyone else, ASK on 29-Dez-2006 at 20:53 you (Peter Meyns) wrote: G K9 No updates since April 18, 2004? So what? It works very well. ASK I just wanted to say the same. ;-) I guess it would be foolish of me not to give that one a chance, too Thanks for the heads-up -- Best regards, Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit! Confusion
Hello all, Thursday, July 13, 2006, Bill McCarthy wrote: I had been using Bayesit! for a few years with fairly good success on my laptop. About two months ago, my laptop developed a hardware problem and I switched to my wife's desktop (XP Pro SP2). I have been training Bayesit! from scratch and have had it catch nothing :-( try AntispamSniper plugin, which is available in free version now too: www.antispamsniper.com -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.81.08 Beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 1.6.2 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit! Confusion - K9 alternative
I have been training Bayesit! from scratch and have had it catch nothing :-( Turning on logging, I discovered that Bayesit! appeared a bit confused. That was just a few days ago and Bayesit! has still not found any spam (I guess training is just starting now). I tried BayesIT again recently and found it getting things totally wrong - it ended up 'refusing' to classify anything in one email account. After taking advice from this list a while back - I am now using K9 with absolutely wonderfully, accurate, consistent, and so easily configurable results. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.80.06 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit! Confusion - K9 alternative
On Thu 13-Jul-06 2:33pm -0600, Marten Gallagher wrote: I tried BayesIT again recently and found it getting things totally wrong - it ended up 'refusing' to classify anything in one email account. After taking advice from this list a while back - I am now using K9 with absolutely wonderfully, accurate, consistent, and so easily configurable results. Thanks for the advice. Does it work with X-Ray? -- Best regards, Bill TB! Pro :beta: 3.81.07 Beta BayesIt! 0.8.4 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit notices on startup after enabling encryption
Hallo Max, On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:59:04 + (UTC)GMT (12-2-2006, 3:59 +0100, where I live), you wrote: M I should have been clearer in my original message. The problem is that these M notices do not go away. They occur everytime I start The Bat!. I've followed M their instructions and specified the minimum value in TB! preferences, but it M continues to ask me on startup. Did you configure BayesIt properly? (Told it where to find its files?) M PS: I posted this via the gmane web interface, which is the reason I didn't M include the signature cut mark. I'll do it manually this time and hopefully it M will work. Works fine now. -- Groetjes, Roelof Blessed are the pessimistic, for they hath made backups. The Bat! 3.70.08 Qigong (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpLusgiSdgrU.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit notices on startup after enabling encryption
Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you configure BayesIt properly? (Told it where to find its files?) That was the problem. It seems that when you tell the installer to move the MAIL directory elsewhere, Bayesit will still think its configuration information is in the default MAIL location. Thanks for the help Roelof. -- Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit notices on startup after enabling encryption
Hallo Max, On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:13:39 + (UTC)GMT (11-2-2006, 13:13 +0100, where I live), you wrote: M The first says: It seems that you use encrypted The Bat! Please, provide the M minimal value from Move to junk folder and delete letter (see Preferences M Antispam menu in The Bat!) Well, it's correct about you using an encrypted message base, so just do what it tells you to do. I can remember having to do the same when I started with OTFE, back then I was still using BayesIt. M Does anyone have any idea on what I need to do to get rid of these messages? My M searches have yielded nothing. When you follow the instructions of the first message, the second will disappear too. -- Groetjes, Roelof Atari computers make great boat anchors The Bat! 3.70.08 Qigong (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpDuY9gV9Z32.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit notices on startup after enabling encryption
Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, it's correct about you using an encrypted message base, so just do what it tells you to do. I can remember having to do the same when I started with OTFE, back then I was still using BayesIt. I should have been clearer in my original message. The problem is that these notices do not go away. They occur everytime I start The Bat!. I've followed their instructions and specified the minimum value in TB! preferences, but it continues to ask me on startup. What else could I try? PS: I posted this via the gmane web interface, which is the reason I didn't include the signature cut mark. I'll do it manually this time and hopefully it will work. -- Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt Plug-in
Hallo Steve, On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:43:25 -0700GMT (30-8-2005, 15:43 +0200, where I live), you wrote: ST This may sound like a really dumb question, but I downloaded the rar ST for the BayseIt plug in, and expanded it. How do I install it? Extract them to a random directory (doesn't matter much which). Let's take \Program Files\Tbe Bat!\BayesIt\ (just because that's what I'm using.) Now via TB's menu: Options - Preferences - Protection\Anti SPAM - Add Browse to the location where you stored BayesIt Configure BayesIt with the matching button and you're about done. When you've already installed a previous version for BayesIt, just close TB and copy the archive contents over the older version. -- Groetjes, Roelof This is just one humble opinion, collect the whole series The Bat! 3.60.05 Forerunner (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpEcZSQsI4ZC.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hallo Pat, On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:30:33 -0500GMT (20-8-2005, 18:30 +0200, where I live), you wrote: PJ I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit. PJ This program is not working well at all; I trained it with over PJ 3,000 spam messages, yet these are still routinely delivered into my PJ inbox with very few ending up in the junk folder. I am using the PJ default settings. Same happened to, I don't really know what I changed, but somehow it started to work. What is the score before you move a message to JUNK? Options - Preferences - Anti-Spam I've got it to be triggered on 40, when BayesIt doesn't catch all of your spam, you can set that lower. -- Groetjes, Roelof What youth deemed crystal, age finds was dew. The Bat! 3.60.02.0 Forerunner (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpiY4Djt3VSc.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit or Bayes Filter
Hello Pat, On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:30:33 -0500GMT P.Johnson wrote: PJ I recently reinstalled TB! and wanted to try the spam plugin, Bayesit. PJ This program is not working well at all; I trained it with over PJ 3,000 spam messages, yet these are still routinely delivered into my PJ inbox with very few ending up in the junk folder. I am using the PJ default settings. did you also train BayesIt with Ham? Additionally you can use the whitelist to prevent listmails ending in the junk folder. -- Regards, Feli The Bat! 3.60.02 Forerunner (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit and build 30?
Hello Barry! On Friday, July 08, 2005, 2:36 AM, you wrote: Just wondered if anyone else had experienced similar problems with build 30? It's a known bug in the .msi which wrapped .30. We've been testing RL's fix on TBBETA--as v. 3.51--and when it's certain that no new bug crept in while putting the Bayesit function back, Maxim has said that v. 3.51 will be placed on the public download page. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! beta 3.51 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit and build 30?
Hello Barry, Friday, July 8, 2005, 2:36:40 AM, you wrote: B Hi B I just downloaded build 30 from the Ritlabs web site and installed over my B copy of build 25 and Bayesit 0.8.1 B For some reason the installer removed my copy of Bayesit but didn't replace B it. I tried installing a downloaded copy of Bayesit but its only 0.8.0 and B when I tried running the combination TB would crash when I was trying to B set up the Bayesit plug in. B I reverted to build 25 and everything is back to normal. B Just wondered if anyone else had experienced similar problems with build B 30? It wasn't a problem here for any of the versions I tried in that sequence, but that seems to be the way with these sorts of things. Sorry I don't have a better answer for you other than to try either: 1.) running through one or more of the intervening updates and see if there is something that needed to be 'tweeked' between 25 and 30 to make it work right. 2.) try one of the later builds to see if it was just a quirk of the 30 build. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.36 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit and build 30?
Hello Barry, B I just downloaded build 30 from the Ritlabs web site and installed over my B copy of build 25 and Bayesit 0.8.1 B For some reason the installer removed my copy of Bayesit but didn't replace B it. I tried installing a downloaded copy of Bayesit but its only 0.8.0 and B when I tried running the combination TB would crash when I was trying to B set up the Bayesit plug in. B I reverted to build 25 and everything is back to normal. B Just wondered if anyone else had experienced similar problems with build B 30? Yes, it is known, unfortunately. Hopefully v3.51 will be out soon. -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Add In
ON Thursday, May 26, 2005, 10:08:08 AM, you wrote: B Copy and Paste the following REGEX expressions into the Bayesit B blacklist.txt file in your BayesIt folder. You'll find the list below my Hi Barry, Don't you mean the filters.txt file ? -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat. -- Will Rogers Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Add In
On Thu, 26 May 2005 13:17:24 +0200, Gerard wrote: ON Thursday, May 26, 2005, 10:08:08 AM, you wrote: B Copy and Paste the following REGEX expressions into the Bayesit B blacklist.txt file in your BayesIt folder. You'll find the list below my Hi Barry, Don't you mean the filters.txt file ? Nope, definitely blacklist.txt and whitelist.txt, which are both used in my BayesIt folder (location as specified in the options for BayesIt) and are reported in the bayesit.log file as being used. Unless anyone else knows any different! ;) -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.5 and BayesIt! 0.8.1 Release Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Add In
ON Thursday, May 26, 2005, 1:36:47 PM, you wrote: B On Thu, 26 May 2005 13:17:24 +0200, Gerard wrote: ON Thursday, May 26, 2005, 10:08:08 AM, you wrote: B Copy and Paste the following REGEX expressions into the Bayesit B blacklist.txt file in your BayesIt folder. You'll find the list below my Hi Barry, Don't you mean the filters.txt file ? B Nope, definitely blacklist.txt and whitelist.txt, which are both used in my B BayesIt folder (location as specified in the options for BayesIt) and are B reported in the bayesit.log file as being used. B Unless anyone else knows any different! ;) Barry, I was talking about Bayes Filter. There you should place it in the Filters.dat file. There is a separate tab for all the regexp stuff. My mistake, sorry. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- People need hard times and oppression to develop psychic muscles. -Frank Herbert, Dune- Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Add In
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jeff, On Thu, 26 May 2005 13:11:05 +0100 (8:11 AM here), Jeff Gaines [JG] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: JG I switched to BayesFilter and I'm training it. For some reason TB! JG is not retaining this add in between sessions, I have to keep JG adding it at the start of a session, although it seems to maintain JG its training. Close The Bat! and locate and edit this file with your favorite text editor: Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\BatMail\TBPlugin.ini Mine is appended below. Make sure the Count=3 line matches the number of plugins that you have configured in the [Plugins] area. Just for reference, all of my plugins are located in subdirectories under C:\Program Files\The Bat!. [AntiSpam] ScoreType=0 Delete=0 Junk=1 DeleteScore=80 JunkScore=60 MarkJunkRead=0 MarkJunkToJunk=1 GlobalJunkFolder=0 [Plugins] Count=3 Plugin #1=%PROGRAMDIR%\Bayes Filter Plugin\BayesFilter.tbp Plugin #2=%PROGRAMDIR%\MyGate\mygaterunner.tbp Plugin #3=%PROGRAMDIR%\MyMacros\mymacros.tbp [Plugin Data] Plugin #1= Plugin #2= Plugin #3= - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.0.17 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFClc/RvZSrVDqOXK0RAi9DAJ4pk3nwa0fQ+uRgYyyM7OBKRERahACfRd/+ kXbeYRJk1BRyS5uzp1qMe34= =j9LG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Add In
JG I'm still struggling a bit with this plugin (v 0.8.1). JG It seems to regard everything as spam except this list, which I've JG managed to whitelist. It's a pain because I am selling my first item JG on eBay and I'm getting some questions. Instead of going through my JG inbox and deleting junk I'm going through the junk folder un-deleting JG stuff that isn't junk :-( JG Any recommendations as to the best way to make it a bit less JG aggressive? Yes: start to use BayesFilter. The newer and newer BayesIt always comes out with errors. Our observation is that the errors are fixed in the new versions, but you get new errors in return :) :(. Give a try to BayesFilter and you will never go back to BayesIt :)). See here: http://www.lkcc.org/achim/thebat/readme.htm -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.16 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Add In
Hello Jeff, Tuesday, May 24, 2005, 7:04:30 PM, you wrote: JG Hello Group JG I'm still struggling a bit with this plugin (v 0.8.1). JG It seems to regard everything as spam except this list, which I've JG managed to whitelist. It's a pain because I am selling my first item JG on eBay and I'm getting some questions. Instead of going through my JG inbox and deleting junk I'm going through the junk folder un-deleting JG stuff that isn't junk :-( JG Any recommendations as to the best way to make it a bit less JG aggressive? Did you give it any non-spam messages when you trained it? I made that mistake when I first tried BayesIt. If you only give it spam, then it had no idea what a Good message looks like, so everything will look like spam to it. It needs at least as much ham as spam for training. Beyond that, go to OPtion, Preferences, Anti-spam and select Baysit Try adjusting the Move message threshold to a higher number. You might also play with the Avg/Max/Min scoring, although I am not sure exactly how that is used (I use Avg, FWIW) -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.16 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Hello Alexander, On Thursday, April 21, 2005, you wrote: It's slow during mail retrieval, which is OK because it's doing lots of thinking (pathetic fallacy?) ASK K9 does the same thinking and its blazingly fast OK - sold. Thanks for the advice, K9's installed and doing a pretty good job as far as I can see. No perceivable system loading even since I've trained it with many thousands of good/bad messages. -- Nick Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 01:11:08 +0200, Robin Anson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What version of Popfile are you using? I have been using it for some years now, and have never noticed it slowing - what is it that you see happening? PopFile itself is achingly slow. :-} -- Gruesse / Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Hello Robin, On Thursday, April 21, 2005, you wrote: RA What version of Popfile are you using? I'm on the latest - v0.22.2. RA I have been using it for some years now, and have never noticed it RA slowing - what is it that you see happening? It's slow during mail retrieval, which is OK because it's doing lots of thinking (pathetic fallacy?), but it also seems to do a lot of database management throughout the day. I really applaud the popfile project, and it's still the best catcher outside of running (and maintaining) a server side spamassassin, but from time to time I like to check out the alternatives. Chances are that I'll be back running it next week... -- Nick Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:57:53 +0200, Nick Dutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's slow during mail retrieval, which is OK because it's doing lots of thinking (pathetic fallacy?) K9 does the same thinking and its blazingly fast during mail retrieval (hardly noticable there's anything in-between TB and the POP server). PopFile is a Perl application. And Perl is the C64 Basic v2 where other programming languages are Assembler. :-) -- Gruesse / Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Hi On Wednesday 20 April 2005 at 7:54:21 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Philip Storry wrote: Because of those blank emails, I added the Bayes Filter Plugin as a second plugin. You can find that here: http://www.lkcc.org/achim It's good, and I chose it because unlike BayesIt (as far as I know), it also does RBL lookups RBL lookups? -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Thursday, April 21, 2005, MFPA wrote: RBL lookups? http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/RBL.html -- Urban It would be terrible if the Red Cross Bloodmobile got into an accident. No, wait. That would be good because if anyone needed it, the blood would be right there Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Hi On Thursday 21 April 2005 at 2:56:10 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Urban wrote: RBL lookups? http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/RBL.html Thanks -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Hello Nick Dutton On Wednesday, April 20, 2005, 10:58:37 AM +0400 GMT You wrote: ND Hello, ND I'm going through one of my irregular explorations of anti-SPAM ND technology, as popfile just seems to grind slower and slower. Although ND it must be said that it's almost perfect in terms of accuracy. ND One of the things that I really like about popfile is that I can get ND TB to delete spam from the server once identified. ND Aside from the fact that mails are put into a spam folder by bayesit, ND I can't find any other sign in the message. Is this so? I'd like to know this also. How to directly delete an email from pop server when bayesit detect it as spam. But it must be an email with score higher than x%. There is an option to delete the email if the score is higher than x%. Does that deletes the email after downloaded the email or directly on the server? Also, how to know the score of each emails receive by bayesit plugin? Regards, -- The Final Cut TheBat 3.0.2.10 http://finalcut.ca/finalcut.asc pgpL31VUBJnFy.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Hello Nick, Wednesday, April 20, 2005, 3:58:37 PM, you wrote: ND Aside from the fact that mails are put into a spam folder by ND bayesit, I can't find any other sign in the message. Is this so? As far as I can tell, TB doesn't mark the message at all - which I personally find quite disappointing. Each anti-spam plug-in that The Bat! uses keeps its own separate logs, which you can use. In the vase of BayesIt, the logs are here: \Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\BayesIt\ The file name will be bayesit.log. (I'm assuming Windows 2000/XP, by the way - no idea where it is on other platforms, but the filename will be the same and you could search on it...) I've used BayesIt for about a year now, I think, and it's almost flawless. I was getting only a couple of mails a day pass it by, and those were generally blank mails - no text to analyse means that BayesIt is somewhat hamstrung! Because of those blank emails, I added the Bayes Filter Plugin as a second plugin. You can find that here: http://www.lkcc.org/achim It's good, and I chose it because unlike BayesIt (as far as I know), it also does RBL lookups - with which I hope to catch those blank emails. I've had to drop my spam filtering options to use the Minimal score for filtering, and I now see more spam per day - but the figure is going down as I train Bayes Filter Plugin, so I'm happy to accept this for a while. I mention the second plugin because it shows the real problem with spam logs in The Bat! - many people will tell you where BayesIt's logs are, as I just have. And I can also find the Bayes Filter Plugin's own logs. But I'll have to read BOTH sets of logs to figure out what's going on definitively. Actually, I won't. I can read The Bat's logs if I like. CTRL+SHIFT+A will show me the logs for the account I'm in, and in there you'll see when The Bat! has had a message reported as spam by a plugin. It'll be on a line starting with the words FILTER (after the date and time,of course) - but you'll probably have to scroll far to the right to actually see if it's the Junk Mail filters or one of your own filters. With just the BayesIt plugin, it won't be so bad for yourself. You can read just the bayesit.log file, and that'll help you. It's certainly going to be much easier than reading The Bat!'s own logs... But I have two plugins. Each one might report a different score, and that makes it difficult to spot exactly what's going on... What was the score reported by the plugin APIs? Remember, with morethan one plugin, you have three possibilities: Use the maximum score, the average or the minimal. So if one plugin reports a score of 99 and one reports a score of 0, this is what those settings would report: Maximal: 99 Average: ~50 Minimal: 0 If BayesIt reported 99, and I'm using Minimal or Average (with a threshold of over 50), then I'd see in the BayesIt logs that it was spam but not realise that The Bat! never thought it was spam. This can get very confusing very quickly. Especially as, at the end of the day, what the plugin reports is ONLY important if oyu have just one plugin. Now, I'll grant you most people only have one plugin, but I like defence in depth and I think that multiple plugins is a good idea. It's just very badly supported by The Bat!'s logging mechanism. The Bat!'s log reader is a bit basic. I'd really like to see a much better log tool - one which allows me to see all log entries across all accounts, and also to filter based on account, action (fetch/send/filter etc) and to search for specific text (so that I can check my logs for messages from specific addresses, to see if a rule inadvertantly filtered it) and so forth. I'm not in a hurry to get such a feature, but in my opinion The Bat!'s logs will be unusable until such a feature arrives. As to your original question, I have no problem with the Plugins marking the message. But I'd rather that the actual problem was dealt with: decent logging. If I had good logs, I wouldn't even think to check the headers of the message to see what had happened... ;-) -- Best regards, Philipmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpYwRqArIeV7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
Hello Nick Dutton everyone else, on 20-Apr-2005 at 16:58 you (Nick Dutton) wrote: Aside from the fact that mails are put into a spam folder by bayesit, I can't find any other sign in the message. Is this so? Exactly. If you're only using PopFile for spam filtering, may I suggest to have a look at http://keir.net/k9.html instead. -- Best regards, An ex-PopFile user :-) Deliplayer2 is playing: Astro Know Me Domina (Part V) (8:57) by The Dark Side Of The Moog from the album 'The Dark Side Of The Moog X' Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit - how does it mark a message as spam?
On Thu 21 April 2005, 0:58:37 +1000, Nick Dutton wrote: I'm going through one of my irregular explorations of anti-SPAM technology, as popfile just seems to grind slower and slower. Although it must be said that it's almost perfect in terms of accuracy. What version of Popfile are you using? I have been using it for some years now, and have never noticed it slowing - what is it that you see happening? -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2, Popfile v0.22.2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello MikeD, Thursday, March 31, 2005, 10:29:35 AM, you wrote: M3 [...] When I first started having this problem, I not only M3 'un-installed' the add-in, I deleted the all the training M3 data and retrained. That did not stop the problem from M3 reoccurring either. I did this and it worked. I uninstalled the plugin, deleted all BayesIt files, and then downloaded and installed the latest version (not the one that comes with 2.12.00). I didn't realise that there is a different procedure for installing the plugin now, Through Options-Preferences-Protection-Antispam rather than Options-Preferences-Plugins as before. I had to retrain but this was not a problem as I have a fairly large mailbase to work with. It remains to be seen how well it works now but at least it works. Thanks for the help. -- Best regards, Scottmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.12.00 under Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 (0 days 0:20:35) on Uno AMD Athlon MP pgp key: http://sfrederick.com/keys/ Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello MikeD, Thursday, March 31, 2005, 3:53:54 AM, you wrote: M3 Hmm ... I have nothing else to suggest at this point. But you M3 might want to look at the Doesn't download Mail thread and M3 see if that has any applicability. I tried that. There are no new messages with malformed headers. The problem lies elsewhere. I tried transferring most of my BayesIt installation from the old machine in order to preserve the training so perhaps there is something amiss with one of the configuration files. -- Best regards, Scottmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.12.00 under Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 (0 days 2:3:9) on Uno AMD Athlon MP pgp key: http://sfrederick.com/keys/ Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello MikeD, Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 11:49:39 AM, you wrote: M3 Occasionally, that won't work and I have to do one extra M3 step. After I have deleted BayesIt, I have to connect and get M3 mail once. After that I can re-add BayesIt and it will work M3 fine for a while again. It works this way for me too. Deleting BayesIt allows the mail to be re-downloaded and imported. M3 I am not sure if the problem is triggered by a certain email M3 message format or not. But my *guess* is that it has M3 something to do with a miss-formed message header of some M3 sort. I am not sure about that because it seems to be a constant problem on a couple of accounts. I will monitor this for a while. -- Best regards, Scottmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.12.00 under Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 (0 days 2:35:34) on Uno AMD Athlon MP pgp key: http://sfrederick.com/keys/ Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello MikeD, Wednesday, March 30, 2005, 5:08:46 AM, you wrote: M3 I would be interested in hearing what (if anything) you find out. It seems to be 2 accounts (rest OK) and the problem is consistent, ie the mail is blocked every time. Also the Connection Center locks up evry time so I have to use the 3 finger salute to kill The Bat! and restart. This started after a clean system and program re-install. My previous installation was WIN98SE. -- Best regards, Scottmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.12.00 under Windows XP Professional/5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 (0 days 12:8:21) on Uno AMD Athlon MP pgp key: http://sfrederick.com/keys/ Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello Scott, Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 12:02:41 PM, you wrote: SF Hello TBUDL, SF I just clean installed everything, and imported my installation SF from a backup, but now BayesIt is giving me trouble. SF Sometimes all my messages will download but not be imported, SF then the connection centre just hangs. If I remove the plugin SF everything works fine (except for the spam). SF I keep my Mail directory on a different drive from the SF installation directory and I have tried running the plugin from SF both locations but there was no difference. SF I am running AVG Free v7. SF Any ideas? I have this problem (at least it sounds like the problem I have) about once a week or so. It is not you Anti-virus, I use eTrust ... and have Zone Alarm Pro FWIW. If I delete the BayesIt plug-in (from options/preferences/add-ins only ... I don't delete the files or the trained data), close TB, start TB again, add BayesIt back in ... that usually fixes it for me, I can then download again and things work normally. Occasionally, that won't work and I have to do one extra step. After I have deleted BayesIt, I have to connect and get mail once. After that I can re-add BayesIt and it will work fine for a while again. I am not sure if the problem is triggered by a certain email message format or not. But my *guess* is that it has something to do with a miss-formed message header of some sort. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Plugin
ON Friday, November 19, 2004, 11:46:17 PM, you wrote: NL But I now have a spambase of over 4000 NL messages to work off of. Hi Neal, I only have 450 to work with sofar, but I would not like to trade with you :-) I agree that BasesIt filter does a good job. My settings are similar to yours. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Things That Sound Dirty At Golf But Aren't: After 18 holes I can barely walk Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Plugin
Hello John, Friday, November 19, 2004, 9:02:30 PM, you wrote: Hello Chris, Why does the Bayesit plugin not work very well? It will pick up an occasional spam but misses most. It will still fall for the same messages even after I mark them as spam. I have started to notice this, I hit the same message around 10-30 times and still it is not marked as spam Sean -- Sean Rima [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 679813 YAHOO: thecivvie Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: tcobone O2 +353863868343 Vodafone +353872628431 Im listening to Martha And The Muffins - Echo Beach. pgpQgDfLpqD1H.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Plugin
Hello John, Friday, November 19, 2004, 4:02:30 PM, you wrote: JM Why does the Bayesit plugin not work very well? JM It will pick up an occasional spam but misses most. JM It will still fall for the same messages even after I mark them as JM spam. JM Spammers have gotten hip to how Bayesian filtering works and have devised ways to get around it by filling the message with random words and the like, so that no two messages are the same ... just as they were able to get around name filtering by creating fictitious addresses that were always different. It is a constant struggle. We find a new tool, then they find a way around it sigh Bayesian filtering still works, just not as effectively against the rabbid spammer who only seems to care about getting a nonsense message into your inbox ... as opposed to the commercial spammer who does want you to buy something (what are they thinking? shrug ) -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.7 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Plugin
Hi John and Group, Why does the Bayesit plugin not work very well? It will pick up an occasional spam but misses most. It will still fall for the same messages even after I mark them as spam. I have have really good luck with Bayesit no that it and TBv3 are stable. My Out of 100 score setting is Average and spam scores need to be 90 or better. I have a 1% error rate for one slipping through and NO false positives. But I now have a spambase of over 4000 messages to work off of. -- Neal Laugman Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.7.3 on Win2000 SP4 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit
At 12:24 [GMT+0200] on Wednesday November 3 (actual time - 6:24pm on Wednesday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: [snips] Dave How do you install this Bayesit filter? I did it by downloading and installing Spampal :-) After a fair bit of testing, I find it's better than any of the Bayesit plugins. -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) In the race for quality there is no finish line. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit
Hello Dave, Wednesday, November 3, 2004, 5:24:51 AM, you wrote: DT How do you install this Bayesit filter? First unarchive the TBP file someplace in either the TB executable tree or the data tree. I put mine in Prg_files/TheBat/Bayesit Go to Options / PLugins. Click add and then point at the bayesit.tbp file, click OK and you are basically done. It will then be set up with some defaults. You will then need to train it before it will be any good at recognizing spam. There are two ways to do that. First, just continue to receive mail as you do now and for each spam you find, use the menu Specials - Mark as Spam (I have assigned that to Alt-J (for junk) on my system). It will have assumed everything is ham (i.e. non-spam) until you mark it as such, so you don't have to do anything about those. Or, if you have saved some spam and some ham messages saved on your system, you can save some time by training it on those messages using the specials 'mark as junk' and 'mark as not junk' to get a leg up as it were. Just be sure to get at least as much ham as spam in your training so that it has a good idea what it good stuff or you will end up with a lot of false positives. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit
Hello Dave, Tuesday, November 2, 2004, 6:31:10 AM, you wrote: DT Where do I find the link to the latest version Sorry, I no longer have that link handy and I cannot read the site well enough to find the link sigh Hopefully someone else will be able to post a copy of the link for you. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit
Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:31:10 +0200 (6:31 AM EST here) Dave Thomas wrote: Where do I find the link to the latest [Bayesit] version You might want to try www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit.lng . Using: The Bat! v2.12.00, BayesIt! 0.5.9, MyMacros 1.11, gMacrosPlugin 0.80 Windows 2000 v5.0 - Build 2195 - Service Pack 4 -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt
Hello G., Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 9:24:45 AM, you wrote: GM I'm sure this is a FAQ but I haven't been paying attention... GM Just upgraded to TB 3.01, no problems, but BayesIt has GM stopped spotting ANY spam - not that it ever was any good at it GM (about 1 in 3 with 2.x). Do I have to retrain the new version? Unfortunately, Yes. The new install added a newer version of BayesIt (unless you have been keeping up through the Beta list). If you were on the older version of Bayesit (0.5.x or before) you will want to go out and delete the data files and retrain. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIT! and filters
Hello Michael, Friday, October 15, 2004, 11:49:11 PM, you wrote: MLW -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MLW Hash: SHA1 MLW Hi, MLW I get some pretty rude email spam. I have setup a filter to delete MLW from the server anything with certain words in the subject. Many of MLW these still get processed by BayesIT! and not deleted from the server. MLW I am using a series of OR statements in the filter, and it looks like MLW the ones that get through have more than one of my special words. MLW So, how can I make a filter that will delete from the serve any email MLW that has one or more of these ten special words? Are you doing all 10 words in one filter string set? Have you tried using the alternative tab to create a separate filer string set for each of your 10 words? I have had better luck with that method over trying to build one comprehensive test string -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt scoring
On Saturday, 16 October 2004 at 18:56 (UK time), Roman Katzer said: Is there a way to see what score BayesIt gave a message? Just upgraded to 3.0.1.33 and use BayesIt for the forst time (dodn#t work before). Check the 'Filter' lines of the Account Log. Not the best way but as far as I know, the only way. -- Paul White Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 (Home Edition) on Windows 98 (4.10.1998) Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt scoring
On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 14:36:57, Paul White wrote: Check the 'Filter' lines of the Account Log. Not the best way but as far as I know, the only way. Thanks, I'll try that and promise to proof-read my messages in the future :) Roman -- Foreign Aid - taxing poor people in rich countries for the benefit of rich people in poor countries. -- Bernard Rosenberg Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Filter - How do you configure it?
Hello MikeD, Thursday, October 7, 2004, 10:11:36 AM, MikeD (3) wrote: Click Add and then point it at the 'bayesit' folder and select the 'bayesit.tbp' Done. That will get things started. Next you have to start showing it what is good email (i.e. 'ham') and what is spam (that is train it). You can do that in several different ways. You can just start using TB as before. Without anything to go on it *should* treat everything as ham. You then tell it what is spam. Eventually it will start to figure things out. Ok I can do nothing and let learn on the fly, but I have about 500 spam messages that I would like to use to train. If you have saves a lot of spam and ham samples, you can train it on those saved letters. That will speed up the training process. How do you do this? ... snip -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.1 RC5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Filter - How do you configure it?
Hello Greg, Sunday, October 10, 2004, 8:21:19 PM, Greg Strong wrote: If you have saves a lot of spam and ham samples, you can train it on those saved letters. That will speed up the training process. How do you do this? ,- [ per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] in TBBETA ] | Just select the 500 messages and use Specials/Mark as Junk. You should | also train about the same number of Non-Junk messages, using | Specials/Mark as Non-Junk. `- Thanks Stuart! -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.1 RC5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Filter - How do you configure it?
ON Thursday, October 7, 2004, 3:53:29 PM, you wrote: DT Hi there, how do I configure the filter in version 3? Hi Dave, Go to Options-preferencesanti spam and select Bayes Filter. Now press the config button and you will find all the options. PS: Your cut mark is not working it is missing a space at the end. It should be dashdashspaceenter. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- One of the advantages bowling has over golf is that you seldom lose a bowling ball. Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Filter - How do you configure it?
Hello Dave, Thursday, October 7, 2004, 8:53:29 AM, you wrote: DT Hi there, how do I configure the filter in version 3? You have to unarchive it and it's support files. I keep mine in a folder called (big surprise) 'bayesit' that is in the 'TheBat' program tree. Next you start TB and go to Option, Prefernces and select Plugins at the bottom of the list. Click Add and then point it at the 'bayesit' folder and select the 'bayesit.tbp' That will get things started. Next you have to start showing it what is good email (i.e. 'ham') and what is spam (that is train it). You can do that in several different ways. You can just start using TB as before. Without anything to go on it *should* treat everything as ham. You then tell it what is spam. Eventually it will start to figure things out. If you have saves a lot of spam and ham samples, you can train it on those saved letters. That will speed up the training process. That should get you started. Ask if you have any other questions. Someone will chime ing -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt web english web page
Hi Steve Does anybody know if there a comprehensive BayesIt web page in English, such as the Russian http://www.ritlabs.com/ru/solutions/BayesIt.php. I'd like to know if there is one, too. I'm frustrated enough with BayesIt's inability to recognize junk mail, that I'm ready to switch back to K-9, which averages a 97-99% junk recognition success rate for me one I got it trained. I'm amazed at the varying experiences everyone has. So far with TB v3 I started with v.0.6.0, trained it and all was well; no white or black lists. I just stuck v0.6.8 into the mix and it seems OK. There were many problems for me using the betas between 0.6.0 and 0.6.8. Which are you using? -- Neal Laugman Using The Bat! v3.0.0.18 and BayesIt! 0.6.8 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt web english web page
Dear Neal, @25-Sep-2004, 09:55 -0800 (25-Sep 18:55 UK time) Neal Laugman [NL] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Steve: I'm frustrated enough with BayesIt's inability to recognize junk mail, ... snip NL I'm amazed at the varying experiences everyone has. So far with TB NL v3 I started with v.0.6.0, trained it and all was well; no white NL or black lists. I just stuck v0.6.8 into the mix and it seems OK. Well, I have had consistent crashes using BayesIt and still get a Exception trap in training_the_base error on occasion. Which ends up with BayesIt no longer operational and TB hanging on exit. These crashes are far less frequent with the 0.6.8 release, for sure and previous releases were so error prone that I found them completely unusable. As such, I switched to Achim Winklers BayesFilter. That worked well *except* ... it has an auto-whitelist function. Which insisted on white-listing my own email address. Since much of the spam comes /to/ that address ... well, you can guess the outcome. All spam instantly whitelisted :-(. So I have switched back to BayesIt, seeing the positive feedback on this new release. I find that BayesIt is not trapping any spam at all on my second main email account. Okay, well not much. I guess this may be a matter of further training, but I do get many spam duplicates between the two accounts. A message spotted as spam on my primary is not spotted on the secondary. It's all rather confusing. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.0.18 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpu8Gq8aJsfQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt web english web page
Neal, I'm, using 06.6, which I thought was the latest version. BayesIt hasn't worked well for me since the version that came with The Bat 2.12; I don't remember its version number. Do you have the URL for 0.6.8? The web site for BayesIt http://klirik.narod.ru/usefuls/bayesiteng.htm lists 0.4 as the latest version. I've been getting the URLs for the later versions from this forum. Thanks! Steve . . . Neal, Saturday, September 25, 2004, 10:55:31 AM, you wrote:== I'm amazed at the varying experiences everyone has. So far with TB v3 I started with v.0.6.0, trained it and all was well; no white or black lists. I just stuck v0.6.8 into the mix and it seems OK. There were many problems for me using the betas between 0.6.0 and 0.6.8. Which are you using? Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt web english web page
Dear P, @25-Sep-2004, 19:37 -0500 (26-Sep 01:37 UK time) P.Johnson [PJ] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP ... I switched to Achim Winklers BayesFilter. That worked well MDP *except* ... it has an auto-whitelist function. PJ Can you tell me a little more about the auto-whitelist? I've PJ installed Bayes Filter with no problems and it seems to be working PJ well. So far the only addresses in the whitelist file are those I PJ added manually. Yes - it's a switch that's supposed to automatically add to the whitelist any addresses from mails marked as NON junk. Which is sensible. MDP Which insisted on white-listing my own email address. Since much MDP of the spam comes /to/ that address ... well, you can guess the MDP outcome. All spam instantly whitelisted :-(. PJ And there is no way you the whitelist can be controlled? Yes, I suppose I could have turned off the switch, but was that the point? I'd have thought that I'd want the source of non-junk mail to be white-listed. But why should all mail addressed to me suddenly act like it's white-listed? MDP So I have switched back to BayesIt, seeing the positive feedback MDP on this new release. PJ I've heard of nothing but problems with BayseIt, much as I would PJ like it to work. Agreed. And while it's working after a fashion ... MDP I find that BayesIt is not trapping any spam at all on my second main MDP email account ... this is still the case. MDP It's all rather confusing. PJ You said it. :-) :unreal2: -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.0.18 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpi0vUhN4PT6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt web english web page
I, too, just installed The Bat! plug-in Achim Winklers BayesFilter. From my first test, it seems to be quite a cut above BayesIt. (For those who want to try it, you can get it from http://www.lkcc.org/achim/download/bayesfilter1.5.4.exe.) I'll probably move my white and black lists from K9, but it seems to work well (so far) without those lists. I actually have only a dozen or so in my black white lists, so they shouldn't change much. Steve . . . P.Johnson, Saturday, September 25, 2004, 5:37:10 PM, you wrote:== Can you tell me a little more about the auto-whitelist? I've installed Bayes Filter with no problems and it seems to be working well. So far the only addresses in the whitelist file are those I added manually. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIT! What is it doing?
Hi Michael This is a request for BayesIT to tell me what it is doing. 6.7 counted everything as spam. 6.8 counts everything as good. Haven't had the problem with 0.6.8 and no false positives at all. I'm running neither white nor black lists. I try to read the log, but it is incomprehensible. I would like a log that lists the email by sender and subject, then gives me the score and lists any words that were the major trigger. That way I can begin to understand what this is doing. I like straightforward, too. Can't help you here. I've had one exception with this version (so far) and all was well when TB was re-started. -- Neal Laugman Using The Bat! v3.0.0.18 and BayesIt! 0.6.8 on Win2000 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIT! What is it doing?
Hello Neal, On Sat, 25 Sep 2004, Neal mused about BayesIT! What is it doing? (at least in part): NL Haven't had the problem with 0.6.8 and no false positives at all. I'm NL running neither white nor black lists. The only thing I have in my white list are the TBUDL, TBBETA, TBTECH and TBOT lists addresses. This is because it was recommended to me previously on this list. -- Michael L. Wilson, MBA Ecclesiastic Philosopher Critic Teacher :einsteinyoyo: == Using The Bat! 3.0.0.18 Windows XP 5.1 (2600-Service Pack 2) Ponder this: I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse. morning dayevening =22:02 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt! upgrade
I was also told that the problem is fixed in 0.6.4. Where/how can I get the upgrade to BayesIt? http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit066.rar or if you *really* want 0.6.4 http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit064.rar -- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt! upgrade
Hello Joe, Monday, September 20, 2004, 9:37:45 AM, you wrote: J Hello, J I am having a crash about twice a day and was told the problem is with BayesIt! 0.6.00. J I was also told that the problem is fixed in 0.6.4. Where/how J can I get the upgrade to BayesIt? Actually look for ver 0.6.5 at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit065.rar -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt! upgrade
http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit066.rar OK so I download it but I get a format error when unstuffing it. Anyone any ideas? Download it again. It worked fine here. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt! upgrade
On Mon 20-Sep-04 10:35am -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was also told that the problem is fixed in 0.6.4. Where/how can I get the upgrade to BayesIt? http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit066.rar or if you *really* want 0.6.4 http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit064.rar Caution, 0.6.6 is not a full release - it only contains the plugin and the update text file. People first upgrading their BayesIt should first unrar 0.6.5 to their BayesIt folder (right below the folder containing TB's exe) and copy pcre.dll to the parent folder. Then unrar 0.6.6 over 0.6.5. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt! upgrade
Keep in mind that 0.6.6 is not a complete bayesit install. It is designed to replace a couple of files in the 0.6.5 install. I am not sure it will work correctly over top of 0.6.4 or earlier versions. Yes, that is true. I only realised that when I actually *looked* in the .rar file :) Thanks for the correction. -- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIT! Doesn't filter the spam as junk
Hi, TH Spam frequency dictionary: TH ° C:\Documents and Settings\Terrance Harris\Application TH Data\The Bat!\bayesit\base\spamdict.bye TH ° Size: 1373 letters. TH ° Capacity: 84 words. TH Non-spam frequency dictionary: TH ° C:\Documents and Settings\Terrance Harris\Application TH Data\The Bat!\bayesit\base\nspamdict.bye TH ° Size: 964 letters. TH ° Capacity: 83507 words. TH Current active base: TH ° Active current base contains 28815 words. TH ° Status: OK TH Yet when I get mail it doesn't move it to the junk folder. TH Anyone know why? I've always had it in the app directory or mail root (when running in server mode). -- Neal Laugman Using The Bat! v3.0 Beta/1 and on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIT! Doesn't filter the spam as junk
Hello Terrance, Monday, September 6, 2004, 11:50:53 PM, you wrote: TH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- TH Hash: SHA1 TH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- TH Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) TH iD8DBQFBPT4PD9yJdiuqiRERAsxtAJsGTU1Ij+G6b6vV9O+vEEqbIKz3cgCfU9wy TH VZQabA+io6pmZOlPp2WGFfA= TH =eei6 TH -END PGP SIGNATURE- TH I've fed the bayesIT lots of spam and ham: TH Spam frequency dictionary: TH ° C:\Documents and Settings\Terrance Harris\Application TH Data\The Bat!\bayesit\base\spamdict.bye TH ° Size: 1373 letters. TH ° Capacity: 84 words. TH Non-spam frequency dictionary: TH ° C:\Documents and Settings\Terrance Harris\Application TH Data\The Bat!\bayesit\base\nspamdict.bye TH ° Size: 964 letters. TH ° Capacity: 83507 words. TH Current active base: TH ° Active current base contains 28815 words. TH ° Status: OK TH Yet when I get mail it doesn't move it to the junk folder. TH Anyone know why? Look at Options - Preferences - Anti-Spam. What 'threshold' is set on your system for the Move to folder if score is greater than? Mine is down in the single digits. g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIT and BayesFilter
Dear Neal, -- Montag, 6. September 2004, 22:52:23: PJ Thanks; any tips on how to successfully get BayesIT installed? vbg This is the problem; I have this addressed along with several other testers on TBBETA with no answer yet. The next thing on my list is to do a complete re-install of v3 and get it working. I don't think the latest Bayesit will even be recognized as a plugin by the TB v3.0.6 so don't even try it. I believe bayesit v061 will work with TB v3.0 as an upgrade from what is originally supplied with the full version of TB. That's all I know for now. I've also tried to install BayesIt v0.6.0/.1 but failed as TB! v3 crashes. THen I tried all other versions of BI I have with no success. I've actually would like to have it reinstalled as I was working for a very long time with BI v0.5.9. Due to Version changes of TB! I got such big problems with my System performance that I had to deinstall TB! with BI. As at the same time TB! v3 came out I made a new Installation. Since then I can't install the BI plug-in. -- liebe Grüsse www.EddieCastelli.com Eddie :ec: on Tour Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIT and BayesFilter
Hi Paul, PJ Can anyone point me to info regarding BayesIT and BayesFilter. PJ What is the difference between them? BayesIT will actually work if you can get it installed. I've never been able to get the other one to do anything except grab program focus for a couple of seconds and then give me a OK dialog that needs to be dismissed saying, One messages processed. -- Neal Laugman Using The Bat! v3.0.0 and on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIT and BayesFilter
Hi Paul, On Monday, September 6, 2004 16:41 our local time, Paul Jansen [PJ] wrote; PJ What is the difference between them? I've been using BayesFilter for about a month now after using SpamPal for a while and am extremely satisfied with the results. After training it with about 850 spam mails and 2,000ish ham mails, it seems to work really well for me! I also use the DNS blacklist, which is a great feature that I loved from SpamPal. I installed the latest version on Saturday along with TB! V3, and my stats so far are; HamMails: 2475 SpamMails: 1683 Detected Ham: 1035 (99.9%) Detected Spam: 840 (99.8%) FALSE Ham detected: 1 FALSE Spam detected: 1 I can't really comment on Bayesit, but I did use it a while back, until it decided to stop working after a TB! version upgrade. Hope that helps ;-) -- Regards, Chris Created using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Cleaning up SPAM with Bayes Filter Plugin v1.5.2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIT and BayesFilter
On Mon 6-Sep-04 3:52pm -0400, Neal Laugman wrote: PJ Thanks; any tips on how to successfully get BayesIT PJ installed? vbg This is the problem; I have this addressed along with several other testers on TBBETA with no answer yet. I've had no problem with installing it. v3 comes with it located in, usually, C:\Program Files\The Bat!\BayesIt. That version is 0.6.0. There's a newer version available at: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit061.rar The newer version has two new files, bayesit.INC and bayesit.LNC. It's missing the language file: bayesit.lng. So when I upgraded, I moved the files to a new subdirectory I called 060, UNRARed to the BayesIt directory and copied the missing language file from my 060 directory. You install by selecting Options/Preferences then select Anti-Spam on the left. The Anti-Spam plugin box will be empty (because you haven't installed yet, or you moved the files and deleted the 0.6.0 plugin). Click add and select the plugin. Select it and configure it. Click on Do you speak.. and make sure the language file is selected. Click on Options and see where its placing its files and the log. Click OK - you're mostly done. Finish the options under Anit-spam. I kept Out of 100... as Average and I checked Move a message.. (as 60) Mark stored... and Move message Then click OK again. For convenience, hit Alt-F12 (Tools/Edit shortcut..) to pick a shortcut for Mark as junk (under Special). I believe that's all I did and it seems to be working OK. However I haven't been using it long enough to give an opinion on how well it does its job. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIT and BayesFilter
Hello Paul, On 7 Sep 2004 at 23:23:19 +0100 GMT [00:23 CEST] you wrote: PJ So I have to retrain each time I upgrade the BayesIT plugin. That PJ seems rather painful. No. Only when upgrading from v0.4 or older. -- Cheers, The Bat! 2.12.00 on Andre Windows XP Service Pack 2 I drank what? ~ Socrates Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt! and userrights
Hello Lars, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 7:43:12 AM, you wrote: LS Hello, LS when I try to add the BayesIt! filter to the list of anti LS spam plugings (by selecting it in the installation folder of The LS Bat!), I get an error message, as long as the user has no LS administrator rights (which is no option at all). What can I do LS about this? LS The The Bat! version, the promblem occured with, was 2.12. There must be a login on the system that has admin privledges. You can't delete them all. You will need to log in with one of those accounts and either grant your regular account permission to add the plugin or add it from that account. It is also possible that it is just a permissions problem on the plug in file itself that needs to be changed. Hope that helps. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt! and userrights
There must be a login on the system that has admin privledges. You can't delete them all. You will need to log in with one of those accounts and either grant your regular account permission to add the plugin or add it from that account. The plugin has to be added for every user. By that is no option I ment, I'm not willing to add every user to the admin group and back. -- With best regards Lars Sölter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! Version 3.0 Windows 2000 / Service Pack 4 (Build 2195) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt! and userrights
It is also possible that it is just a permissions problem on the plug in file itself that needs to be changed. Could be. Has no one else this problem, or are all people out there working with admin rights for their accounts? -- With best regards Lars Sölter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! Version 3.0 Windows 2000 / Service Pack 4 (Build 2195) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt! and userrights
Besides adjusting access for the plugin, you may need to 'fiddle' some other tb file rights as well. I have tried to give the users write rights to the installation folder of The Bat!. But that seems not to be the problem. Sorry I can't be more specific. Thank's to you any way :) -- With best regards Lars Sölter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! Version 3.0.0 Windows 2000 / Service Pack 4 (Build 2195) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit and IMAP
Hello Sean, Thursday, September 2, 2004, 10:19:58 AM, you wrote: SH Is the new version of Bayesit (bundled with TB3.0) supposed to work SH with IMAP, or is it POP only? It *SHOULDN'T* matter. But, as with all things, YMMV. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt download?
Dear MikeD, -- Mittwoch, 1. September 2004, 16:08:19: PC [http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit053.rar] That is a bit out of date. 0.5.5 is the one that is included in the 2.12 TB distribution and the latest I have seen is 0.5.11. I need to download v0.5.9 and don't know the exact link. Can someone post it please? Thanks ... -- liebe Grüsse www.EddieCastelli.com Eddie :ec: on Tour Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt download?
Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:32:22 +0200 (10:32 AM EDT here) Eddie Castelli wrote: I need to download v0.5.9 and don't know the exact link. Can someone post it please? Thanks ... I tried a Google Advanced search of English documents for: Bayesit 0.5.11 download I found this link in one of the documents: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit0511.rar I haven't beeen able to go to Ritlabs all morning. (I wonder why.) My GUESS is that you might be able to find v 0.5.9 at: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit0509.rar (or something like it) if Ritlabs' site ever becomes available again. Using: The Bat! v2.12.00, BayesIt! 0.5.9, MyMacros 1.11, gMacrosPlugin 0.80 Windows 2000 v5.0 - Build 2195 - Service Pack 4 -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt download?
Hello Eddie, On 1 Sep 2004 at 16:32:22 +0200 GMT [16:32 CEST] you wrote: EC I need to download v0.5.9 and don't know the exact link. Can someone EC post it please? Thanks ... I don't know what's wrong with the newer ones but 0.59 you can get here: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit059.rar You just need to change the version number to get any version there. -- Cheers, The Bat! 2.12.00 on Andre Windows XP Service Pack 2 Si quelqu'un aime une fleure qui n'existe qu'à un exemplaire dans les millions d'étoiles, ça suffit pour qu'il soit heureux quand il les regarde. Il se dit: 'Ma fleur est là quelque part...' Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt download?
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:59:29 +0200, Andre Wichartz wrote: Hello Peter, On 24 Aug 2004 at 16:58:43 -0400 GMT [22:58 CEST] you wrote: PK Where can I find the latest version of BayesIt for download? PK The site given in Plugin-BayesIt is a Russian language page of Ritlab. PK TIA http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit0511.rar I have downloaded 053 from the ritlabs site: Version 0.5.3 [http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit053.rar] (20.04.2004) - when installing from The Bat! preferences menu it was necessary to configure the filter manually. Now it assumes all default settings itself. - The window about can't create folder were shown in some false cases. + The filter assumes it's interface language during installation and tries to load appropriate language from the file bayesit.lng. The file is checked in the filter's working folder, filter's program folder, The Bat's program folder and finaly in the main The Bat! mail folder. * some strings in English interface were changed and official source files for translators are now commited to CVS. Together with previous feature it makes BayesIt easy-localizable. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit training - how long before results?
Hello Christopher, Friday, August 27, 2004, 6:32:48 PM, you wrote: CB Hi List, CB I installed bayesit 0.5.5 about a week ago. I trained it up CB on the folder of junk mail I had collected, and on the non-junk. CB Then every morning, I do a manual 'mark as junk'. To date, my junk CB folder contains 1667 messages. The total from my non-junk folders CB is about 3000. CB Here is some info from the plugin: snips info I think you've not trained it well enough on what ISN'T spam. When I first trained BayesIt, it still had the ability to scan folders when installed. RitLabs asked for this to be removed, as you can't scan folders in SecureBat! that way - and they wanted the BayesIt plugin to work for both The Bat! and SecureBat. So now you have to train it yourself. This, IMHO, is not made clear. What's made even less clear is that BayesIt needs to know both what's spam and non-spam. Before you train it, you need to make a good effort to clean up all your folders of spam - move any spam to a makeshift junk folder. Then go into each one non junk folder, and train BayesIt on which mail ISN'T spam. Then train it on what is spam from your makeshift junk folder by marking all its contents as spam. I even marked my Sent mails as not-junk when training, on the egotistical presumption that nobody writes the kind of email I'd like to recieve better than myself! *grins* OK, so that's not quite true - my emails can be bad. But they do contain the kind of keywords that I wouldn't mind recieving, so they do make good stuff for marking as non-junk. Remember that BayesIt works statistically. It compares the contents of messages to both what your definition of normal mail is AND your definition of spam mail. Without both definitions, you may not get as good a set of results. I didn't realise this at first - I just marked mail as junk. Only when I marked mail as non-junk did I get anywhere - filtering then worked just fine! Here are my statistics for the BayesIt plugin: BayesIt! filter information Antispam filtering data: Spam frequency dictionary: * C:\...\spamdict.bye * Size: 15376 letters. * Capacity: 390982 words. Non-spam frequency dictionary: * C:\...\nspamdict.bye * Size: 24251 letters. * Capacity: 451531 words. Current active base: * Active current base contains 137896 words. * Status: OK Note that my figures for non-spam appear stronger. I now get very little spam sneaking past BayesIt - just the newish ASCII art spams, and the classic empty HTML message with a picture of the text. Both are understandably hard to filter, so I have no problems with this. I get one a day at most anyway. ;-) One caveat with this explanation, though - I recieve much more legitimate email than spam, because I'm on mailing lists like this one. If I were on no lists and got very little legitimate email, I suppose the stats could conceivably be the other way around. You want the stats to at least reflect the general direction of the spam/non-spam ratio in your mail flow, I suppose... CB Bayesit has yet to find a junk message on its own. The CB 'general numbers' are obviously wrong...Is that the problem? Do CB the dictionary sizes look right? I can't possibly say for certain, but they don't look like mine. And my BayesIt plugin is working satisfactorily. Therefore, I can only humbly suggest that you aspire to match my figures, using the methods I have outlined above. ;-) -- Best regards, Philipmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgpeP66nNmbZV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit training - how long before results?
Hello Philip Storry, 27-Aug-2004 22:00, you wrote: I even marked my Sent mails as not-junk when training, on the egotistical presumption that nobody writes the kind of email I'd like to recieve better than myself! *grins* Thats is indeed a very common practice. Our antispam solution at work uses Bayes analysis, too, and auto-learns from sent mail (it would not be useful to have each MS Exchange user manually train the filter). Due to the nature of Business style mail communication as introduced by MS Outlook (top posting with full quote below) that works pretty good. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Medicine is a collection of uncertain prescriptions that will kill the poor, and succeed sometimes with the rich, and the results of which, collectively taken, are more fatal than useful to mankind. -- Napoleon Bonaparte Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
