%CURSOR (was: Re: [SPAM?] Re: v10 beta 8)
Hello Ira, Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 9:14:18 AM, you wrote: >> Using %CURSOR now, no difference. Why? > I noticed in my instance that 2 different accounts replies worked different, > one had $Cursor and was broken, and the other had $CURSOR and worked. > Changing the mixed case one to upper case got rid of the weird font issue. > Maybe it was something else but here's my reply format, see if it works for > you it's all formatted as 12pt Arial HTML. > > > Hello %OFromFName, > %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote: > %QUOTES > %CURSOR > -- Me > This is not a beta issue, so we should discuss on TBUDL instead. The template macros are not case-sensitive. I believe that you inadvertedly used "$" instead of "%" in the template that didn't work, as you did in your reply just now. Could you check that? -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.5.1 (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 19043 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.3.8.4 (BETA) embedded address book groups
Once upon a time when they were first implemented, there were directions for how to use embedded address books groups. I often want to mail all but a subset of of a group. Can someone tell me a good path to accomplish this? I simply didn't use this feature and have forgotten. Currently I just open the group from the TO: line, select the contents of the group and deselct the ones I wish to omit Thanks -- Rick The size of the government does not appear to matter much. What is important is the ‘quality of government’ (governments that produce hyperinflations, distortions in foreign exchange markets, extreme deficits, inefficient bureaucracies, etc., are governments that are detrimental to an economy). v 5.3.8.4 (BETA) on Windows 6.2 Build 9200 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Change password on beta site
Hello, I want to cange my ID and password on this site: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Cannot find any way to do it. Can someone let me know where can I do this? Thank you -- Best regards, Peter The BAT 3.95.6, Windows XP, Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Change password on beta site
Hallo Peter, On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:37:24 -0500GMT (7-2-2007, 17:37 +0100, where I live), you wrote: PK I want to cange my ID and password on this site: PK http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ PK Cannot find any way to do it. So basically you want to create a new account. PK Can someone let me know where can I do this? http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/ Maybe you should drop somebody at Ritlabs a mail to drop your ol account... -- Groetjes, Roelof WINDOWS is to computing what Etch-a-Sketch is to art. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.96.04 (BETA) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp37kjChT7RN.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Change password on beta site
Hello Peter! On Wednesday, February 07, 2007, 10:37 AM, you wrote: I want to cange my ID and password on this site: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Cannot find any way to do it. Peter, for me, my BT and my beta download accounts' user name and password are the same. You can change by logging in at BT on the Main page and then clicking on the My Account button. Can someone let me know where can I do this? 1) Go here: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php 2) Log in. 3) Click on My Account. 4) You will then see an Edit page. The same user name and password works on the Beta download page, AFAIK. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.96.04 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Change password on beta site
Hello Roelof, Wednesday, February 7, 2007, 12:02:44 PM, you wrote: Roelof Hallo Peter, Roelof On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:37:24 -0500GMT (7-2-2007, 17:37 +0100, where I Roelof live), you wrote: PK I want to cange my ID and password on this site: PK http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ PK Cannot find any way to do it. Roelof So basically you want to create a new account. PK Can someone let me know where can I do this? Roelof http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/ Roelof Maybe you should drop somebody at Ritlabs a mail to drop your ol Roelof account... I made a new account at the betatesting site. Now how can I get in touch with someone to drop my previous registration. I tried at TheBat site, but had a run around without finding where can I contact them to drop my old registration. Do you have any suggestion? Thank you. -- Best regards, Peter The BAT 3.96.04 (BETA), Windows XP, Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Change password on beta site
Hello Mary, Wednesday, February 7, 2007, 12:13:01 PM, you wrote: Mary Hello Peter! Mary On Wednesday, February 07, 2007, 10:37 AM, you wrote: I want to cange my ID and password on this site: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Cannot find any way to do it. Mary Peter, for me, my BT and my beta download accounts' user name and Mary password are the same. Mary You can change by logging in at BT on the Main page and then clicking Mary on the My Account button. Can someone let me know where can I do this? Mary 1) Go here: Mary https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php Mary 2) Log in. Mary 3) Click on My Account. Mary 4) You will then see an Edit page. Mary The same user name and password works on the Beta download page, Mary AFAIK. Thanks for the help. Long-long ago I was stupid enough to have a different ID and password for the RITLAB Issue tracker and for Beta-download. I guess I signed up at different times. Now if log on to the page you suggested, I have no problem to log-in, but if I want to put in my real name, it doesn't let me do it, someone with the same name already exist(or something similar) I logged in to download the new beta version - no problem - but had to use a different ID and password. I would like to have just one ID and PW to remember. -- Best regards, Peter The BAT 3.96.04 (BETA), Windows XP, Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Change password on beta site
Hello Peter! On Wednesday, February 07, 2007, 4:21 PM, you wrote: I logged in to download the new beta version - no problem - but had to use a different ID and password. I would like to have just one ID and PW to remember. I see. Then Roelof's advice is probably the best. Write directly to RitLabs and ask for help there. When I wasn't able to create an account at all, someone there--can't remember, perhaps it was Maxim or Marek--created it for me. I'm forever grateful. I feel certain you can get help that way, too. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.96.04 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Benefitting from beta testing
Hello Peter! On Saturday, December 16, 2006, 6:07 PM, you wrote: I am registered at the silverstones.. Website. But if I go to the proper pageto D/L I end up with the old beta. Ah, yes. For some reason, ever since the ALPHA beta series came in--at least--the RitLabs team hasn't kept that download page up to date. Also--so far as I know, haven't tried it lately--the Updater function in Help/Check for Updates isn't working for the beta series, which one can configure at Options/Preferences/Update/Check for updates when The Bat! starts, with a tick in the box marked Check for beta versions of The Bat!. I unchecked that because it was hanging in a beta a few versions back. Have put it back on, and when the next version comes down, I'll find out if it's working again. On the pull-down menu at Options/ Preferences/Update I select Only notification, do not download automatically to have a little more control over the download. TB! remains a work in progress, huh? However Ron gave me the proper link and I got it now, as shown in the sig line. I saw, and that's good. Nice opening page. Yes. I really do like it. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.86.11 beta on Windows XP Windows Media Center Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Benefitting from beta testing
Hello Fellow TBUDL Subscribers Who Might Consider Running a Beta! The splash screen on the current beta is as colorful as the Christmas season. Worth being a beta tester just to get an advance peek at it. Beta version 3.86.11 is running well, reliably, and stably, according to everything I hear. Certainly it is for me. So, if you've been considering signing up for beta testing, now is a particularly auspicious time to do it. It's tempting to me to close and re-launch The Bat! just for the pleasure of another look at the cheerful splash screen. But the biggest benefit, of course, is the collection of features and fixes of this latest beta version. Of course, you can always wait for the release. Surely it wlll happen before Christmas is over. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.86.11 beta on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Benefitting from beta testing
Hi Mary, Saturday, December 16, 2006, 7:56:08 AM, you wrote: MB Beta version 3.86.11 is running well, reliably, and stably, MB according to everything I hear. Certainly it is for me. It's running well for me too, Mary. However, I'm replying to you to explain how I manage dealing with the beta versions for the benefit of anyone thinking of taking your advice. One thing that made me hesitant to participate in beta testing in the past was the fear that I'd install a beta version and find it difficult to go back to a working version if something proved to be wrong with the beta I had just installed. That fear proved to be unfounded once I realized that installing the beta only involves replacing the executable, thebat.exe, with the beta version that is distributed in a RAR file when it is made available. So I created a folder called Beta Testing into which I extracted the new executable from the beta RAR download. Then *with The Bat! closed*, I would move to The Bat! folder under Program Files and rename the working version of the executable to thebat_3-85-03.exe (or whatever the version number of my working copy was). Then I'd move the renamed file to my Beta Testing folder and the beta executable from my Beta Testing folder to The Bat! folder under Program files. Then a restart of The Bat! updates my copy of The Bat! to that beta. If I find it necessary to go back to a previous version, I just reverse the process. I also keep all prior copies of the betas I have downloaded in my Beta Testing folder, renamed as indicted above. There's nothing special about my system and others may have a better one, but once I realized the process of switching versions was that simple, I felt comfortable signing up for and participating in the beta testing. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.86.11 beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Benefitting from beta testing
Hello Perry! On Saturday, December 16, 2006, 9:20 AM, you wrote: There's nothing special about my system and others may have a better one, but once I realized the process of switching versions was that simple, I felt comfortable signing up for and participating in the beta testing. Oh, thank you so much for posting this system, Perry. I remember about it now--I used to do that, too. Somehow, with everything I had to do when I moved into this new computer in October, I forgot about that. I am going to do my beta installations your way, from now on. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.86.11 beta on Windows XP Media Cente Editin Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Benefitting from beta testing
Hi Mary, Saturday, December 16, 2006, 10:38:23 AM, you wrote: MB Oh, thank you so much for posting this system, Perry. You're welcome, of course, though I didn't realize it would be a benefit to you but rather that other users, who might be hesitant, as I was, to take the risk of running a beta, might find it of value. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.86.11 beta on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Benefitting from beta testing
Mary Bull @ 2006-12-16 6:56:08 AM Benefitting from beta testing mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It's tempting to me to close and re-launch The Bat! just for the pleasure of another look at the cheerful splash screen. But the biggest benefit, of course, is the collection of features and fixes of this latest beta version. Help - About? -- Best regards, Mary Not working for some reason. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Black holes are where God divided by zero. pgphhAjW0dpCs.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Benefitting from beta testing
Hello Mary, Saturday, December 16, 2006, 7:56:08 AM, you wrote: Mary Hello Fellow TBUDL Subscribers Who Might Consider Running a Beta! Mary The splash screen on the current beta is as colorful as the Christmas Mary season. Worth being a beta tester just to get an advance peek at it. Mary Beta version 3.86.11 is running well, reliably, and stably, according Mary to everything I hear. Certainly it is for me. Mary So, if you've been considering signing up for beta testing, now is a Mary particularly auspicious time to do it. Mary It's tempting to me to close and re-launch The Bat! just for the Mary pleasure of another look at the cheerful splash screen. But the Mary biggest benefit, of course, is the collection of features and fixes of Mary this latest beta version. Mary Of course, you can always wait for the release. Surely it wlll happen Mary before Christmas is over. :) I tried to get this beta version, but if I go to the website: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ the latest version for download is 3.81.18 which is older than my regular version. Where did you find the 06/Xmas version? -- Best regards, Peter The BAT 3.85.03, Windows XP, Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Benefitting from beta testing
Hello Chris! On Saturday, December 16, 2006, 1:22 PM, you wrote: It's tempting to me to close and re-launch The Bat! just for the pleasure of another look at the cheerful splash screen. But the biggest benefit, of course, is the collection of features and fixes of this latest beta version. Help - About? Not the screen from Help/About. The screen that shows on one's Desktop when one first launches an application--in this case, The Bat! -- Best regards, Mary Not working for some reason. No idea what happened to my sig delimiter there. I've checked it--should be okay. Hope it was a one-time glitch. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.86.11 beta on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Benefitting from beta testing
Hello Peter! On Saturday, December 16, 2006, 1:03 PM, you wrote: I tried to get this beta version, but if I go to the website: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ the latest version for download is 3.81.18 which is older than my regular version. Where did you find the 06/Xmas version? Maxim Masiutin (of the RitLabs development team) announced it on TBBETA yesterday. TBBETA mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.86.11 beta on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Benefitting from beta testing
Hello Mary, Saturday, December 16, 2006, 3:21:47 PM, you wrote: Mary Hello Peter! Mary On Saturday, December 16, 2006, 1:03 PM, you wrote: I tried to get this beta version, but if I go to the website: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ the latest version for download is 3.81.18 which is older than my regular version. Where did you find the 06/Xmas version? Mary Maxim Masiutin (of the RitLabs development team) announced it on Mary TBBETA yesterday. Mary TBBETA mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Where can I download it? -- Best regards, Peter The BAT 3.86.10 beta, Windows XP, Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Benefitting from beta testing
Hello Peter! On Saturday, December 16, 2006, 4:10 PM, you wrote: I tried to get this beta version, but if I go to the website: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ the latest version for download is 3.81.18 which is older than my regular version. Where did you find the 06/Xmas version? Mary Maxim Masiutin (of the RitLabs development team) announced it on Mary TBBETA yesterday. Mary TBBETA mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Where can I download it? Go here, and sign up for beta testing and subscribe to TBBETA. http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html That is, if you're not already a beta tester. If you are already a TB! beta tester, then see the mid above. Maxim included a link to the download in that message announcing beta v. 3.86.11. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.86.11 beta on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Benefitting from beta testing
On Saturday, December 16, 2006 Peter Kerekes, [PK] wrote: snipped a bit Where can I download it? 3.86.11 BETA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb38611.rar -- Regards, Ron Secord Using TB! 3.86.11 beta Professional Under Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Benefitting from beta testing
Hello Ron, Saturday, December 16, 2006, 5:20:13 PM, you wrote: Ron On Saturday, December 16, 2006 Peter Kerekes, [PK] wrote: Ron snipped a bit Where can I download it? Ron 3.86.11 BETA is available at Ron http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb38611.rar Thank you for the link. I got it as shown in the sig. -- Best regards, Peter The BAT 3.86.11 beta, Windows XP, Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Benefitting from beta testing
Hello Mary, Saturday, December 16, 2006, 5:40:37 PM, you wrote: Mary Hello Peter! Mary On Saturday, December 16, 2006, 4:10 PM, you wrote: I tried to get this beta version, but if I go to the website: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ the latest version for download is 3.81.18 which is older than my regular version. Where did you find the 06/Xmas version? Mary Maxim Masiutin (of the RitLabs development team) announced it on Mary TBBETA yesterday. Mary TBBETA mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Where can I download it? Mary Go here, and sign up for beta testing and subscribe to TBBETA. Mary http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Mary That is, if you're not already a beta tester. If you are already a TB! Mary beta tester, then see the mid above. Maxim included a link to the Mary download in that message announcing beta v. 3.86.11. I am registered at the silverstones.. Website. But if I go to the proper pageto D/L I end up with the old beta. However Ron gave me the proper link and I got it now, as shown in the sig line. Nice opening page. -- Best regards, Peter The BAT 3.86.11 beta, Windows XP, Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB BETA Version information...
DAC There is usually a change log, which may or may not be as complete as DAC some people want/expect, with new betas. Is there a Website where this log could be looked ? -- WilWilWil :flag-france: TB 3.60.07 BayesIt! 0.8.4 Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB BETA Version information...
Hi WilWilWil, on Tue, 6 Sep 2005 22:01:43 +0200GMT (06.09.2005, 22:01 +0200GMT here), you wrote: W Is there a way (website or mailing list) to obtain list of bugs W solved and new feature developped whenever a new BETA is available. W Just for information. I don't want to risk my TB with beta ! ;-) Sure there is. Join the TBBeta mailing list: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cheers Peter Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB BETA Version information...
DAC Using The Bat! 3.61.03 beta on Windows XP version 5,1 I see you use BETA 3.61.03 : can I expect copy/paste problem and HTML answer are solved in it ? Is there a way (website or mailing list) to obtain list of bugs solved and new feature developped whenever a new BETA is available. Just for information. I don't want to risk my TB with beta ! ;-) Thanks. -- WilWilWil :flag-france: TB 3.60.07 BayesIt! 0.8.4 Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB BETA Version information...
On Tuesday, September 6, 2005, 3:01:43 PM, WilWilWil wrote: I see you use BETA 3.61.03 : can I expect copy/paste problem and HTML answer are solved in it ? If you mean can you reply with quoted text, and copy and paste from HTML, the answer seems to be yes. Is there a way (website or mailing list) to obtain list of bugs solved and new feature developped whenever a new BETA is available. Just for information. I don't want to risk my TB with beta ! ;-) There is usually a change log, which may or may not be as complete as some people want/expect, with new betas. This round of betas have been pretty good. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.61.03 beta on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello MAU, On 4 Sep 2004 at 16:52:30 +0200 GMT [16:52 CEST] you wrote: M Traditionally on the net, asterisks mean *bold*, underscores mean M _underlined_, slashes mean /italics/, etc. I know. :) And my text is either naked or underlined. -- Cheers, The Bat! 2.12.00 on Andre Windows XP Service Pack 2 Beato chi può dire a se stesso: io ho asciugato una lacrima. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Mary, On 3 Sep 2004 at 10:57:06 -0500 GMT [17:57 CEST] you wrote: MB :grin: Okay. 4 * * 1 MB But, Andre, I use *asterisks* to indicate emphasis, I don't. And for exactly for that reason. If I need to show emphasis which is seldom enough i use underscores. I realize I'm not coming from where almost everyone else on these lists is coming from. looks alien to me. Even though I see them here quite often I'm still not used to it. I'm used to use * * in those cases. You will find me write *g* occasingly but never g I'm not sure why that is. I have a theory about mirc using asterics for actions but I don't know. It's in irc where I learned these things. If someday tb supports these symbols for bold, underlined etc text so be it. I will grin boldly then. I was teasing you when I refused to subscribe to one of your two options, true enough. But there was still my honest opinion in there as well. MB so that I don't shout with capitals. But you should shout with capitals. That's what they're there for. Of course, better not to shout at all. MB (Because one of the few lacks in the MicroEd and its accompanying MB View configurations, is a way to show bold or italic fonts for this MB kind of emphasis.) tb! doesn't offer this at all for non html mail. MB Anyway, it's really nice to hear from you. Nice of you to say that. -- Cheers, The Bat! 2.12.00 on Andre Windows XP Service Pack 2 Fliegen ist gar nicht so schwierig, wie man denkt. Man muß sich nur auf den Boden schmeißen und vergessen aufzuschlagen. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Andre! On Saturday, September 04, 2004, 8:29 AM, you wrote: MB :grin: Okay. 4 * * 1 MB But, Andre, I use *asterisks* to indicate emphasis, AW I don't. And for exactly for that reason. If I need to show AW emphasis which is seldom enough i use underscores. Well, I think I had noticed that. Nobody, however, ever actually told me to use asterisks. Long before I was so lucky as to encounter you on the lists, I noticed that the people I was coming to respect most did enclose a word in asterisks to indicate emphasis. When I joined these lists, and a short 5 months earlier, some of the Rootsweb lists in 2002, my one experience with mailing lists had been with the International Horn Society's discussion group (musicians who play the French horn). Entirely different preferences and styles prevailed there. AW I realize I'm not coming from where almost everyone else on these AW lists is coming from. looks alien to me. Even though I see AW them here quite often I'm still not used to it. I'm used to use * AW * in those cases. You will find me write *g* occasingly but never AW g Truly it's all in what one's used to, but I do try to notice what most people are doing and to fit in. Well, that's when it's a group to which I wish to belong--like this one. AW I'm not sure why that is. I have a theory about mirc using AW asterics for actions but I don't know. It's in irc where I AW learned these things. I don't know what mirc and irc are. AW If someday tb supports these symbols for bold, underlined etc text AW so be it. I will grin boldly then. Do you mean interprets in the text View Folder window a bold or italic font, as the case may be? AW I was teasing you when I refused to subscribe to one of your two AW options, true enough. But there was still my honest opinion in AW there as well. I was so focused on the fact that I wanted to please Roelof and others who complained about colon enclosures, if I could, that I totally lost my sense of humor for the moment. Even though I saw your teasing symbol. But even after your intent was pointed out to me earlier in this thread, I did think you were also making a serious point. I enjoy the Smileys myself. They are a part of The Bat!, and I don't think I should have to give up using them just because others do not prefer them. Mostly I think people will gain the habit of ignoring them in their PTV, whatever the enclosure is. And for PCWSmiley Smileys, that enclosure will be colons. In the same way, when I first began reading these lists, the occasional poster whose style is not to write a capital I, but rather to type i, would really bring me up short. It's still not standard written English. But on the lists my eyes simply breeze right over it and my brain stays focused on the meaning. MB so that I don't shout with capitals. AW But you should shout with capitals. That's what they're there for. In the real world, they're more often used to indicate extreme emphasis. On the lists, they make people think you are yelling--with yelling used in its pejorative sense of attacking. AW Of course, better not to shout at all. Yes. Careful choice of ideas and words and word order to express those ideas is the better course. :) MB (Because one of the few lacks in the MicroEd and its accompanying MB View configurations, is a way to show bold or italic fonts for this MB kind of emphasis.) AW tb! doesn't offer this at all for non html mail. Understood. And it's very low on my preference priorities to have it. MB Anyway, it's really nice to hear from you. AW Nice of you to say that. Andre, I find you always timely and thoughtful in your comments. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Andre, MB But, Andre, I use *asterisks* to indicate emphasis, I don't. And for exactly for that reason. If I need to show emphasis which is seldom enough i use underscores. Traditionally on the net, asterisks mean *bold*, underscores mean _underlined_, slashes mean /italics/, etc. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.123 Beta/Umpteen Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Andre Wichartz, 04-Sep-2004 15:29, you wrote: g Sorry to jump in here, I just tested a little bit - here (v2.12) the smiley interpreter doesn't interpret anything in chevrons ... no g no nothing, it just appears as-is... In addition, it only interprets smileys if they aren't following by another character. This :-). for example should appear as-is on screen, just like :42:. this. But maybe it's been fixed in v3? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Hane's Law: There is no limit as to how bad things can get. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Alexander! On Saturday, September 04, 2004, 10:42 AM, you wrote: MB g ASK ... the smiley interpreter doesn't interpret anything in ,,, This is how it has always been. Take a look at the .msl files in The Bat!/Images. TB! will only call the image as a text replacement for the handle, which you can read in the middle of each .msl line. ASK In addition, it only interprets smileys if they aren't following ASK by another character. This :-). for example should appear as-is ASK on screen, just like :42:. this. Again, this is how it's always been. I think that's a good thing--it gives the user the opportunity to put a text character up against the handle and prevent its execution, if the execution is not wanted in a particular message. BTW, we have no image to represent :-) in the Image folder. To call a smile, :) is the handle. :) ASK But maybe it's been fixed in v3? It's the same as it's always been. In my opinion, it's desirable that way and so it doesn't need to be fixed. Truly, though, I do appreciate your interest and I'm enjoying talking about this feature with you. Thanks for writing. :42: -- Best regards, Mary :Trill: (PCWSmileys Administrator) http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Mary Bull, 04-Sep-2004 18:08, you wrote: MB g ASK ... the smiley interpreter doesn't interpret anything in ,,, This is how it has always been. Take a look at the .msl files in The Bat!/Images. TB! will only call the image as a text replacement for the handle, which you can read in the middle of each .msl line. I mean - I placed g as a handle there. Including the chevrons aka pointed brackets. Placing *g* is interpreted, however. BTW, we have no image to represent :-) in the Image folder. To call a smile, :) is the handle. :) Dunno - I just created my own smiley theme, and it contains a :-) handle, of course! ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) In a way, science must be described as paranoid thinking applied to nature: we are looking for natural conspiracies, for connections among apparently disparate data. -- Carl Sagan Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Alexander! On Saturday, September 04, 2004, 11:19 AM, you wrote: ASK ... the smiley interpreter doesn't interpret anything in ,,, ... ASK I mean - I placed g as a handle there. Including the ASK chevrons aka pointed brackets. Placing *g* is interpreted, ASK however. Ah. I see. I totally failed to realize that you were doing some testing and reporting on that. MB BTW, we have no image to represent :-) in the Image folder. To MB call a smile, :) is the handle. ... ASK Dunno - I just created my own smiley theme, and it contains a ASK :-) handle, of course! ;-) That explains why I don't see it--neither in the default.msl nor in the pcwsmileys.msl as downloaded (default with TB!, pcwsmileys from http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php ) does that handle exist. What follows from this is, that unless others manually edit their own .msl files to include that handle, the image will only be called on your machine. However, as Mica M. pointed out earlier in this thread, for use among any correspondents running TB!, it's possible to make a set of images and .msl files to call them and have one's own private set of smileys to use. Finally, your test seems to be a real-life proof that what Marck said about the enclosure not working in the Smileys code is true. Thanks for writing. :-) -- Best regards, Mary (PCWSmileys Administrator) http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Mary! On Saturday, September 04, 2004, 11:46 AM, you wrote: ASK Dunno - I just created my own smiley theme, and it contains a ASK :-) handle, of course! ;-) MB That explains why I don't see it--neither in the default.msl nor MB in the pcwsmileys.msl as downloaded (default with TB!, pcwsmileys MB from http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php ) does that MB handle exist. Not for the first time, I've made a statement without double-checking. Just looked at the default.msl on my machine, and :-) is there for the smile icon. However, the principle of no handle, no call to text replacement is still valid. :-) -- Best regards, Mary (PCWSmileys Administrator) http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Friday, September 3, 2004, 6:28:38 AM, you wrote: MB Therefore, if it's okay, let's have a poll: MB 1) For Smiley handles enclosed in colons : : MB 2) For Smiley handles enclosed in brackets Smileys in colons would probably be easier for me to implement .. TBv.2.12.00 NT5 SP4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Lynn! On Saturday, September 04, 2004, 1:20 PM, you wrote: MB Therefore, if it's okay, let's have a poll: MB 1) For Smiley handles enclosed in colons : : MB 2) For Smiley handles enclosed in brackets L Smileys in colons would probably be easier for me to implement .. Enclosed in colons is how the ones from the PCWSmileys page will remain. Other options present almost insurmountable difficulties, of one kind or another. Thanks for answering. :) -- Best regards, Mary (PCWSmileys Administrator) http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Saturday, September 4, 2004, 11:32:31 AM, you wrote: MB Thanks for answering. :) No problem .. had I not got so far behind with my email, due to being gone yesterday, I'd have seen the previous posts describing the situation. Lynn -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.2.12.00 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Lynn, [L] wrote: I'd rather be WARP'ed* * *Team OS/2 I'm a long time OS/2 user. I stopped using it in mid 1999. How's it going now with that OS. Is it still viable in that apps are being still actively developed for it? -- -= Allie =- The Bat! v3.0 · Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . Hard work must have killed someone! Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Allie_M, [AM] wrote: I'm a long time OS/2 user. I stopped using it in mid 1999. How's it going now with that OS. Is it still viable in that apps are being still actively developed for it? Shucks! My booboo. I guess it could have been worse, but this was intended as an off-list message. I just replied instead of replying to sender. Argh! -- -= Allie =- The Bat! v3.0 · Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . IBM: It may be slow, but at least it's expensive. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello Mary, Thursday, September 2, 2004, 11:58:43 PM, you wrote: ASK I heard that characters like : and - and ) (and their ASK relatives) actually do like the freedom of imagination they leave ASK on the user side, rather than being pressed into a graphical ASK image. Stop the suffering! I didn't mean to offend you or anyone else. I just wanted to tease my old friend Miguel a bit with that :batbeer: . I think I understood that and tried to tease a little bit in return, thats all. :-] (my very personal opinion is, that replacing standard character constructions like :-P and whatnot by smiley images is OK, but that :disgruntledvoice: or whatever is a bit too HTML'ish - its really looking odd when one has disabled the smiley interpreter in TB - which is the case on my end as you may have guessed... its one of these odd imports from internet Bulletin Boards, and it is merely a weak replacement for a real geeks toys *hehe*). Btw., is there a feature request open for an interpreter that turn *this* into bold and _that_ into underlined and /those/ into italics when using the RTV? I'd support that! (my old ZConnect point program MicroDot on the Amiga did is - t'was most luvlee!) Have a nice day! -- Best regards, Alexander Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Alexander, On 03-09-2004 09:35, you [ASK] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: ASK Btw., is there a feature request open for an interpreter that turn ASK *this* into bold and _that_ into underlined and /those/ into ASK italics when using the RTV? I'd support that! (my old ZConnect ASK point program MicroDot on the Amiga did is - t'was most luvlee!) IMO, this is much more useful than smileys. If you make an entry in the BT, let me know and I'll support it. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.13 Lucky Beta/8 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Op Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:35:55 +0200 schreef Alexander S. Kunz: Btw., is there a feature request open for an interpreter that turn *this* into bold and _that_ into underlined and /those/ into italics when using the RTV? I'd support that! (my old ZConnect point program MicroDot on the Amiga did is - t'was most luvlee!) I would love that too! My (excellent) newsreader 40tudeDialog uses that 'interpreter'. I far prefer it over the silly smiley's thing. I find myself having to switch to TB!'s rather awkward html-editor when I want to use bold or italics and would rather use an interpreter such as you describe. -- [using The Bat! 2.12.00 on Win XP Pro] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 n'abend A.Translator, Friday, September 3, 2004, 9:56:12 AM: Btw., is there a feature request open for an interpreter that turn *this* into bold and _that_ into underlined and /those/ into italics when using the RTV? I'd support that! (my old ZConnect point program MicroDot on the Amiga did is - t'was most luvlee!) AT I would love that too! AT My (excellent) newsreader 40tudeDialog uses that 'interpreter'. AT I far prefer it over the silly smiley's thing. Yepp! Thumbs Up! for that idea. Just go back to god old fido.net style :-) I would REALLY appreciate this. Old but simple, clear and a lot of MUA can handle this format. regards, Mike - -- GnuPG fingerprint 5481 4C57 FCFE 7953 777B B8CD 58AC B95E DBBA CE86 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFBODQaWKy5Xtu6zoYRAlLxAKCgshg244G/bWAu0yoEt0Zyn1zlcgCgl0Oy ilfSWCB0p3/i9yo96SIU02U= =bFNZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hi Alexander, on Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:35:55 +0200GMT, you wrote: ASK Btw., is there a feature request open for an interpreter that turn ASK *this* into bold and _that_ into underlined and /those/ into italics ASK when using the RTV? Yes, there are: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=0001902 and https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3123 -- Cheers Peter Fatal error: Close your eyes and press ESCAPE three times. Winamp currently playing: Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello Peter Meyns, 03-Sep-2004 11:51, you wrote: ASK Btw., is there a feature request open for an interpreter that turn ASK *this* into bold and _that_ into underlined and /those/ into italics ASK when using the RTV? Yes, there are: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=0001902 and https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3123 Thank you for finding those! Added my note to it. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) With word and deed we insert ourselves into the human world, and this insertion is like a second birth. -- Hannah Arendt Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello Alexander! On Friday, September 03, 2004, 2:35 AM, you wrote: ASK I heard that characters like : and - and ) (and their ASK relatives) actually do like the freedom of imagination they ASK leave on the user side, rather than being pressed into a ASK graphical image. Stop the suffering! MB I didn't mean to offend you or anyone else. I just wanted to MB tease my old friend Miguel a bit with that :batbeer: . ASK I think I understood that and tried to tease a little bit in ASK return, thats all. :-] It was very cleverly put and I enjoyed it. Still, words without body language can't be taken for granted as to tone, and I wanted to be sure things were okay between us. So thanks for the reassurance. :) ASK (my very personal opinion is, that replacing standard character ASK constructions like :-P and whatnot by smiley images is OK, but ASK that :disgruntledvoice: or whatever is a bit too HTML'ish - ... I understand. So one tries to choose one's venue when using the illustrative icons, both from the default folder which downloads with The Bat! and from the Smileys page. What can go on tbot is highly inappropriate on tbudl. And even on tbot, a sparing use is better, ordinarily. ASK ... its really looking odd when one has disabled the smiley ASK interpreter in TB - ... Yes. But with the smiley interpreter on, the handles without colons in the default.msl can be startling, and I see that 9Val has still not had time to edit them. GRR , grr , and headshot still bring up images--and rather distressing images, at that. These are all words that can be used in a different context and the unwary person will send an image although not intending to. For instance, Thomas Fernandez runs The Bat! at work, in a world-wide freight-handling company. G R R (spaces to keep from showing the icon again for those with Smileys turned on) is an abbreviation to tell the meaning of certain numbers on his charts. He was quite startled to see an angry face there, right after he first got the Default Smileys. This is the reason that all the handles on the Smileys page are enclosed in colons. I hope that 9Val will soon edit the default.msl file to enclose all handles in colons there. Of course, if the user of The Bat! understands the .msl files, he/she can edit the file on his own machine for himself. It's new users of The Bat! whom I am afraid will be puzzled or offended when unintended images turn up in their View Folder windows. ASK ... which is the case on my end as you may have guessed... its ASK one of these odd imports from internet Bulletin Boards, and it is ASK merely a weak replacement for a real geeks toys *hehe*). Bless your heart! You are such a good sport, Alexander. ASK Btw., is there a feature request open for an interpreter that ASK turn *this* into bold and _that_ into underlined and /those/ into ASK italics when using the RTV? I'd support that! (my old ZConnect ASK point program MicroDot on the Amiga did is - t'was most luvlee!) I don't know. If not, I wish that you would make a request. It's the one aspect of my word processor (Word 2000) which I wish I could import into MicroEd and my View configurations in The Bat! I can't get onto Bug Traq to post either a bug or a wish. It won't let me create an account. ASK Have a nice day! You too. Talk to you later. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hallo Mary, On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:31:32 -0500GMT (3-9-2004, 14:31 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MB This is the reason that all the handles on the Smileys page are MB enclosed in colons. I hope that 9Val will soon edit the default.msl MB file to enclose all handles in colons there. Oh no, not colons, I'd prefer (don't know how to call them), those are common used all over the net for this stuuf. So you can use the same signs for TB-users and non-TB-users without confusing them. But I'll never get used to using :looking daft: instead of looking daft YMMV of course. -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpxr30T2Ek9i.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Roelof! On Friday, September 03, 2004, 7:48 AM, you wrote: MB This is the reason that all the handles on the Smileys page are MB enclosed in colons. I hope that 9Val will soon edit the MB default.msl file to enclose all handles in colons there. RO Oh no, not colons, I'd prefer (don't know how to call them), RO those are common used all over the net for this stuuf. So you can RO use the same signs for TB-users and non-TB-users without confusing RO them. But I'll never get used to using :looking daft: instead of RO looking daft YMMV of course. For the default.msl, 9Val has to do the editing, except, of course, what we do as individuals on our own copies of The Bat! As Keeper of the Smileys, I can easily edit every handle of the PCWize Smileys Smileys page to have a brackets ( ) enclosure rather than a colons enclosure. It would be a bit time-consuming, but I can do that, and I have the time. Leif would have to reset the code for it to happen automatically that brackets would be supplied rather than colons in future uploads to the Smileys page. When this discussion took place on tbbeta, the consensus--as near as I could assess it--was that the handles, when objected to, were objected to no matter what type of enclosure was used. If you and Marck and Leif think it is appropriate to continue this thread and get the opinions of subscribers to tbudl, I would very much like to have them. As you know, I enjoy the Smiley images tremendously. Originally, I didn't think I would, nor did I think that I would like Roguemoticons in the headers. As it turned out, they are a great delight to me. This is a powerful technique which 9Val has developed and I'm so glad that he and Leif have done all that they have. So, used sparingly and appropriately, I think the Smileys handles will not be too great a distraction to people with Plain Text View on. Therefore, if it's okay, let's have a poll: 1) For Smiley handles enclosed in colons : : 2) For Smiley handles enclosed in brackets -- Best regards, Mary (PCWSmileys Administrator) http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
On Friday, September 3, 2004 @ 8:31:32 PM, Mary Bull wrote: [snips] Mary I hope that 9Val will soon edit the default.msl Mary file to enclose all handles in colons there. No offence to anyone, but I'd prefer they fixed bugs rather than play with toys that aren't much use in the real world, where not everyone uses this software. -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) When someone asks you, A penny for your thoughts, and you put your two cents in, what happens to the other penny? Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Allen! On Friday, September 03, 2004, 8:43 AM, you wrote: MB As Keeper of the Smileys, I can easily edit every handle of the MB PCWize Smileys Smileys page to have a brackets ( ) enclosure MB rather than a colons enclosure. It would be a bit time-consuming, MB but I can do that, and I have the time. AD Not necessarily--a regex find/replace routine could do all the AD work quite quickly, and I'm sure you'd have no trouble finding AD someone to give you a hand with that--I for one would be willing AD and able. Thank you so very much for your kind offer. Let's see how many would truly prefer a change from colon enclosures, and I'll get back to you. AD As for :: v. , I really don't care either way. ... That was the impression I had in regard to many who are using Plain Text View, when the discussion took place on tbbeta. MB Leif would have to reset the code for it to happen automatically MB that brackets would be supplied rather than colons in future MB uploads to the Smileys page. AD That would be easy enough--although, for rendering on the page, AD he'd have to use lt; rather than or you'd end up with the AD browser thinking eating cheese was an html tag. That could AD complicate things with html rendering in tb, as well--care would AD have to be taken to ensure the html viewer separated html tags AD from using emoticon tags. That would ultimately be 9val's AD problem, I suppose. Well, let's cross that bridge when we come to it. I do greatly appreciate your thoughtful input, though. And here, your tag line: AD tagline To name an object is to deprive a poem of three-fourths of AD tagline its pleasure, which consists in a little-by-little AD tagline guessing game; the ideal is to suggest. -Wallace Stevens You are quoting one of my favorite poets here, and somehow it seems tangentially like a cookidence, given the topic of our discussion. Anyway, I do love the quote. -- Best regards, Mary (PCWSmileys Administrator) http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello Mic! On Friday, September 03, 2004, 8:35 AM, you wrote: Mary I hope that 9Val will soon edit the default.msl file to enclose Mary all handles in colons there. MicCullen No offence to anyone, but I'd prefer they fixed bugs rather MicCullen than play with toys that aren't much use in the real world, MicCullen where not everyone uses this software. So had I, and that's why I have not, up to now, made a big push for getting handles like GRR straightened out. Given the apparent new marketing campaign, however, I think it would be prudent to take a minute either to erase GRR and headshot handles from the default.msl or to enclose them in colons. These download automatically with The Bat! I don't like the idea of them surprising new users, especially in a business setting. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Mary, On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:28:38 -0500 GMT (03/09/2004, 20:28 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: MB 2) For Smiley handles enclosed in brackets I would like this better. I understand Allen's caveat about HTML tags, I'm just uttering a wish as a (plain text) user. *are* quite common, people make things up in their own language, and people reading it smile. If for some people, using TB of course, this renders a little pic, good. But if a non-TB user receives a mail with ::-surrounded expressions, he will still understand the meaning but it would look somewhat weird. -- Cheers, Thomas. Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Thomas! On Friday, September 03, 2004, 9:24 AM, you wrote: MB 2) For Smiley handles enclosed in brackets TF I would like this better. Okay, including Roelof, this makes 2 openly expressing this preference so far. Thanks so much for responding. TF I understand Allen's caveat about HTML tags, I'm just uttering a wish TF as a (plain text) user. *are* quite common, people make things up TF in their own language, and people reading it smile. If for some TF people, using TB of course, this renders a little pic, good. But if a TF non-TB user receives a mail with ::-surrounded expressions, he will TF still understand the meaning but it would look somewhat weird. I see. And The Bat! *is* used world-wide by people of many different languages. BTW, I hope you noticed the thread where I'm campaigning to get GRR either deleted from the default.msl or enclosed. I took the liberty of using your experience with it as an example of why. With the apparent new marketing campaign, RITLabs really doesn't need that or headshot turning up in a business environment with a new user. -- Best regards, Mary (PCWSmileys Administrator) http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:12:04 +0200 GMT(03/09/2004, 13:12 + GMT), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK Btw., is there a feature request open for an ASK interpreter that turn *this* into bold and _that_ ASK into underlined and /those/ into italics when using ASK the RTV? Yes, there are: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=0001902 and https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3123 ASK Thank you for finding those! Added my note to it. And mine too. -- Eric Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -- Best regards, Ericmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Allen! On Friday, September 03, 2004, 10:00 AM, you wrote: AD As for :: v. , I really don't care either way. ... MB That was the impression I had in regard to many who are using MB Plain Text View, when the discussion took place on tbbeta. AD Right--from plain-text side, it matters little as it's, either AD way, just a couple of characters to let us know we needn't spend AD too much time trying to extract conversational value from the AD encased characters. It's more an issue for those in the habit of AD composing mail utilizing the emotive functionality. Then let's see if we hear from any of them on my little poll. ... MB And here, your tag line: AD tagline ... -Wallace Stevens MB You are quoting one of my favorite poets here, and somehow it seems MB tangentially like a cookidence ... AD He's one of my favorites, as well--the quote perfectly captured my AD sentiment on authoring poetry. Suggestion. The same idea can work AD well in conversation, as well, of course . . . It's one of the delights of having conversation with quick-witted people, like the ones so frequently encountered on the TB! mailing lists. :) AD Cookidence has been rather frequent, of late--Starting to wonder AD if RL haven't swiped google's adsense relevency calculator for AD random cookie selection :-) Something might indeed be going on! There *are* more things than are dreamed of, as Hamlet once so well observed in a discussion of ghosts! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Mary Bull, 03-Sep-2004 15:58, you wrote: Thank you so very much for your kind offer. Let's see how many would truly prefer a change from colon enclosures, and I'll get back to you. Count me in as a pointed-bracket-preferer. :) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) de la Lastra's Corollary: After an access cover has been secured by 16 hold-down screws, it will be discovered that the gasket has been ommitted. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Alexander! On Friday, September 03, 2004, 10:33 AM, you wrote: ASK Count me in as a pointed-bracket-preferer. :) Okay, that puts the count at 4. Thanks a bunch for your response. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Mary, On 3 Sep 2004 at 08:28:38 -0500 GMT [15:28 CEST] you wrote: MB Therefore, if it's okay, let's have a poll: MB 1) For Smiley handles enclosed in colons : : MB 2) For Smiley handles enclosed in brackets I vote for * * :p -- Cheers, The Bat! 2.12.00 on Andre Windows XP Service Pack 2 Das echte Gespräch bedeutet: Aus dem Ich heraustreten und an die Tür des Du klopfen Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Andre! On Friday, September 03, 2004, 10:49 AM, you wrote: MB Therefore, if it's okay, let's have a poll: MB 1) For Smiley handles enclosed in colons : : MB 2) For Smiley handles enclosed in brackets AW I vote for * * :p :grin: Okay. 4 * * 1 But, Andre, I use *asterisks* to indicate emphasis, so that I don't shout with capitals. (Because one of the few lacks in the MicroEd and its accompanying View configurations, is a way to show bold or italic fonts for this kind of emphasis.) Anyway, it's really nice to hear from you. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hæ! Friday, September 3, 2004, 17:49, Andre Wichartz wrote: I vote for * * :p Me too. ;) -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | aesir media http://www.aesir.de/ [The Bat! v2.12.03 without BayesIt on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4] Listening to: DeutschlandRadio Berlin Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello Mary, MB Yes. But with the smiley interpreter on, the handles without colons in MB the default.msl can be startling, and I see that 9Val has still not MB had time to edit them. Hmm, quite strange, I've deleted MB GRR , grr , and headshot and other handles without colons from default.msl, may be problem is that installation haven't overwritten your local files? -- 9Val Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello 9Val! On Friday, September 03, 2004, 12:48 PM, you wrote: MB Yes. But with the smiley interpreter on, the handles without MB colons in the default.msl can be startling, and I see that 9Val MB has still not had time to edit them. 9 Hmm, quite strange, I've deleted I am so glad to hear this!! Thank you from the bottom of my heart for replying. MB GRR , grr , and headshot 9 and other handles without colons from default.msl, may be problem 9 is that installation haven't overwritten your local files? Most likely that's it. So I'll just edit my local file and not mention these any more. You're absolutely the tops, 9Val, and there are not words enough to say how much I appreciate all that you've done and are doing for everyone. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:33:55 +0200 GMT(03/09/2004, 16:33 + GMT), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK Hello Mary Bull, ASK 03-Sep-2004 15:58, you wrote: Let's see how many would truly prefer a change from colon enclosures, and I'll get back to you. ASK Count me in as a pointed-bracket-preferer. :) And me. -- Eric Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 -- Best regards, Ericmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No more colons (was: Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not)
Hello Eric! On Friday, September 03, 2004, 1:38 PM, you wrote: MB Let's see how many would truly prefer a change from MB colon enclosures, and I'll get back to you. ASK Count me in as a pointed-bracket-preferer. :) E And me. So that's: 5 for pointed-brackets, or angle-brackets, 1 (apparently tongue-in-cheek) for asterisks * * 4 for colons Others either indifferent, or not voting. However, the coding problems for using are too many. So there is no use to continue the poll. It's been an interesting discussion, and I thank you for contributing to it. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Friday, September 3, 2004, 12:35:55 AM, you wrote: ASK Btw., is there a feature request open for an ASK interpreter that turn ASK *this* into bold and _that_ into underlined and ASK /those/ into italics ASK when using the RTV? I'd support that! (my old ASK ZConnect point program ASK MicroDot on the Amiga did is - t'was most luvlee!) Sounds luvlee to me, too! Lynn TBv.2.12.00 NT5 SP4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello all, - I didn't like the way and rush Ritlabs threw the new release on us. - I didn't like the lack of communication. - I didn't mind paying for the upgrade and I think I was one of the first to do so. But after a couple of days of using v3.0 for my normal work and reading the reports in TBBeta and TBUDL, I just and strongly believe the NFS is NOT mature enough for a release version. I think Ritlabs has made a big mistake here. I don't mind beta testing the NFS as I think I have proven in the last couple of weeks, but I refuse to do so with a release version. One thing is finding a bug here and there (there is always one more bug, I learnt this over 30 years ago) and a different thing is beta testing. So, unless Ritlabs opens a new beta cycle with a Beta version that, like 2.13 Beta6/7/8, allows me to select which filtering system (OFS or NFS) to use for each account, I refuse to do any further debugging. Later tonight I will report in TBBeta some of the bugs I've found. Then, I will downgrade, if I can, to version 2.12. I don't know if my contribution to beta testing the NFS was good, bad, valuable or not. It certainly took quite a bit of my time, although I enjoyed it. But if RITLabs wants to count on me... new Beta cycle. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello Miguel, Thursday, September 2, 2004, 5:24:02 PM, you wrote: M One thing is finding a bug here and there... They could start with the installer! In a moment of weakness, during a lull in my afternoon, I was going to have a peek at v3. I backed everything up, God knows there have been enough warnings here, and found that the installer .msi doesn't cater for users who don't run with Administrator rights, and Windows won't let .msi files be run as. Of course I could have logged in as administrator, but I've not had to log in as Administrator to install software since I gave up on NT. This was enough to bring me to my senses and wait a month or so. I wish that I could adopt Mary's positive approach (and I suspect she's a much happier person than for it!), but I'm suffering a mild form of cumulative disappointment with TB! Nothing terminal I suppose, but sad all the same. One of the things that I like about cool software is that way that you feel so justified when you use it. It's a bit like finding out that your favourite painting's been made into a print by Athena. It's still a nice picture, but somehow it's not the same. Off to console myself with some Far Cry MP action... -- Nick Using TheBat!: v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello Nick! On Thursday, September 02, 2004, 11:57 AM, you wrote: ND I wish that I could adopt Mary's positive approach (and I suspect ND she's a much happier person than for it!), but I'm suffering a mild ND form of cumulative disappointment with TB! Nothing terminal I suppose, ND but sad all the same. One of the things that I like about cool ND software is that way that you feel so justified when you use it. Oh, yes! I do feel so utterly geeky in the company of all you cool guys. Let me offer you and Miguel both a :batbeer: ? You can view it at http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php since I have no doubt that both of you are in PTV Mode. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello Mary, Let me offer you and Miguel both a :batbeer: ? You can view it at http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php since I have no doubt that both of you are in PTV Mode. :) I appreciate the beer, but please don't force me to make comments about smileys ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello MAU! On Thursday, September 02, 2004, 12:21 PM, you wrote: MB Let me offer you and Miguel both a :batbeer: ? M I appreciate the beer, but please don't force me to make comments about M smileys ;-) Not needed. I understand and respect the point of view of those who wish they'd never been born. I think we both know that not everyone needs any particular feature of The Bat! and that's one of the great beauties of the program. The chat feature can be disabled. It *is* on my system. So can the Smiley box be unchecked and Plain Text View selected. Up to now I haven't used any Virtual Folders. Sorry the New Filter System has been such a pain for you, Miguel. I use so few--just some Address Book simple templates--that it's not interfering with me, so far. And I do agree with you that v. 3.0 is a beta (to quote Shakespeare, A rose by any other name would smell as sweet--or not, as the case may be. g ). It's marketing. The company has to live, financially. I'm happy to support them, and so far they have given very fine support to me. If v. 4.0 does turn up in September, 2005, I won't turn it down. The Bat! is, as I've often said, the best e-mail client for my needs that I've ever seen. And the community of those who use it is composed of absolutely the finest and most intelligent people in the world, in my estimation. Including yourself, Miguel. Be well. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello MAU, Thursday, September 2, 2004, 11:24:02 AM, you wrote: M I don't know if my contribution to beta testing the NFS was good, bad, M valuable or not. It certainly took quite a bit of my time, although I M enjoyed it. But if RITLabs wants to count on me... new Beta cycle. It was spot on as far as I can see. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello MAU, 02-Sep-2004 19:21, you wrote: I appreciate the beer, but please don't force me to make comments about smileys ;-) I heard that characters like : and - and ) (and their relatives) actually do like the freedom of imagination they leave on the user side, rather than being pressed into a graphical image. Stop the suffering! \\:^) ...the tagline was picked randomly. Believe me! -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) To witness suffering and do nothing is betrayal. -- Patrick Douglas Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello Mary, And I do agree with you that v. 3.0 is a beta (to quote Shakespeare, A rose by any other name would smell as sweet--or not, as the case may be. g ). In Spain we say: A monkey dressed in silk is still a monkey. It's marketing. The company has to live, financially. I'm happy to support them, and so far they have given very fine support to me. As I have said somewhere before, I was one of the first to pay for the upgrade the very same night v3.0 was released, without waiting for the special discount announced for beta testers and refusing a free upgrade I was offered. So, I _am_ willing to support RIT. But that doesn't change the fact that v3.0 is still a monkey, as I have sadly confirmed. As you can see in my signature, I'm already back to 2.12. Thanks for the rest of your kind words, I owe you a cup of coffee :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.12.00 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello Stuart, It was spot on as far as I can see. Thanks Stuart, I owe you a beer ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.12.00 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello MAU! On Thursday, September 02, 2004, 1:23 PM, you wrote: M In Spain we say: A monkey dressed in silk is still a monkey. I like that. MB It's marketing. The company has to live, financially. I'm happy to MB support them, and so far they have given very fine support to me. M As I have said somewhere before, I was one of the first to pay for the M upgrade the very same night v3.0 was released, without waiting for the M special discount announced for beta testers and refusing a free upgrade M I was offered. ... I saw that. I did not mean to imply you weren't one of the first--if not the very first--to pay for the upgrade. Additionally, you've been using The Bat! a lot longer than I have, and you were among the first to welcome my awkward dive into tbudl, when I first subscribed. I owe you a lot, for past support and for on-line friendship! And I watched all your hard work with the NFS on tbbeta, also. Many thanks for your time and efforts there. M ...So, I _am_ willing to support RIT. ... Goes without saying!! See above. M ... But that doesn't change the fact that v3.0 is still a monkey, M as I have sadly confirmed. As you can see in my signature, I'm M already back to 2.12. I hope they'll start a new beta series soon and take advantage once more of your excellent help. M Thanks for the rest of your kind words, I owe you a cup of coffee :) Any time. I'm imagining the coffee cup in my hand this minute! :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello MAU, M - I didn't like the way and rush Ritlabs threw the new release on us. Me too :) M - I didn't like the lack of communication. It is hard to communicate in this case. Maxim explained official position and there is nothing to add and it is not situation there unofficial positions should be expressed M But after a couple of days of using v3.0 for my normal work and reading M the reports in TBBeta and TBUDL, So it works normally for you? (just want to know, if it works for such advanced user as you are, then it is mostly finished) M I just and strongly believe the NFS is NOT mature enough for a M release version. Agree with you, but see below M So, unless Ritlabs opens a new beta cycle with a Beta version that, like M 2.13 Beta6/7/8, No new beta-cycles in near 1-2 weeks, as you understand, nothing depends of programmers now M I refuse to do any further debugging. Sad, I appreciate your testing M Later tonight I will report in TBBeta some of the bugs I've found. It will be great, may be some of them are already fixed M Then, I will downgrade, if I can, to version 2.12. Sad, as I said no new beta cycle would be introduced, so it will be hard to find and fix bugs without *real* usage of program. Less testers - slower fixes M But if RITLabs wants to count on me... new Beta cycle. Hmm, I can suggest you alternative beta cycle. As you probably know, in most cases every evening I make a daily build for internal testing Here is link to build: www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/tbb-daily-build.rar Here is link to changelog: www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/tbb-daily-build.txt That txt is included in build, but is located on server to see if anything actually changed No matter of your answer thanks again for honest expression of your opinion :) Have a nice night! -- 9Val Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello 9Val, 02-Sep-2004 22:27, you wrote: It is hard to communicate in this case. Maxim explained official position H, where is that information to be found? and there is nothing to add and it is not situation there unofficial positions should be expressed I think most of us would appreciate information on how things will evolve in the near future. Like a freeze for new features, concentrating on bugfixes... whatever information. No new beta-cycles in near 1-2 weeks, as you understand, nothing depends of programmers now I don't know how big a company Ritlabs is, and of what the structure the company is, but again, some information, just to get the picture how things work on your end, would help a lot in the process of... well, understanding that whole thing. For example - if it will become regular practice that this time of the year is release time (ahem), it would be good to know (and that this practice needs refinement requires no further comment, does it?). Thanks... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Brain cells come and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello Alexander! On Thursday, September 02, 2004, 1:07 PM, you wrote: MAU I appreciate the beer, but please don't force me to make MAU comments about smileys ;-) ASK I heard that characters like : and - and ) (and their ASK relatives) actually do like the freedom of imagination they leave ASK on the user side, rather than being pressed into a graphical ASK image. Stop the suffering! I had just finished writing this message to you, when my server went down and stayed down for several hours. At first I thought--well, it's lost it's timeliness. Then I decided it was worth continuing the thread a little longer in order to assure you that I'm friendly and harmless--or, mostly harmless. I didn't mean to offend you or anyone else. I just wanted to tease my old friend Miguel a bit with that :batbeer: . I do try to respect the sensibilities of my fellow posters who are in PTV and don't want the text they're reading to look as if it's just caught the measles. I'm an ex-plain-text-person, *myself*. I hate HTML in e-mail, also. Of course, the images called by these little handles are already on my machine and use no extra bandwith, beyond the colons. They have nothing to do with HTML. Then, there's h2g2 , which Leif made for me. It's the entire galaxy, hitchhiker version. :) Uses no punctuation marks whatsoever. If you ever get over to tbot, you'll see that I'm a Tribble abuser as well as a slave-driver of colons, parentheses, and such. (Speaking of tag-lines.) All the best to you. Give to your local Animal Shelter society (mine's the Nashville Humane Association) and subscribe to the *National Geographic* too, when you have the time. :42: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB v3.0 is still a Beta whether RL likes it or not
Hello 9Val, Thanks for your reply that I assume (I am pretty sure) it was intended to be PM. I will reply off-list. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.12.00 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 Plug-In Beta.
Michael- Ditto here. I run nod32 on the server and I also run Norton AV on my workstations just because I don't trust *anything* completely. But nod32 has _never_ let anything through for Norton to catch. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 Plug-In Beta.
Hi Michael, On Monday, August 9, 2004 17:17 your local time, which was Tuesday, August 10, 2004 at 01:17 my local time, Michael Wilson [MLW] wrote; MLW I have been using nod32 for several years, and have never used a BAT! MLW plug-in. I do not need one. Nod32 will monitor any port you want and MLW stop viruses. MLW Some time back, I got on some list and was getting 3-40 virus emails a MLW day. Nod32 caught them all, with no plug in. As stated in the original mail, the reason I believe I need to use the plug-in is because when using a TLS connection with my mail server, IMON is unable to scan the message as it is encrypted. Is this the case? -- Regards, Chris Created using The Bat! v2.12.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 Plug-In Beta.
Hi Paul, On Monday, August 9, 2004 17:05 your local time, which was 22:05 my local time, Paul Cartwright [PC] wrote; PC I tried the Nod32 beta with the plugin. I had a problem where I could PC not send an email with an attachment. I never got an answer back from PC eset, so I went back to AVG. Hmm, that's not very encouraging!? I was of the understanding that Eset we normally very responsive. Having said that, isn't the plug-in being developed independently of Eset? -- Regards, Chris Created using The Bat! v2.12.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 Plug-In Beta.
Hello Chris, Tuesday, August 10, 2004, 2:59:36 PM, you wrote: PC I tried the Nod32 beta with the plugin. I had a problem where I could PC not send an email with an attachment. I never got an answer back from PC eset, so I went back to AVG. CW Hmm, that's not very encouraging!? CW I was of the understanding that Eset we normally very responsive. Having CW said that, isn't the plug-in being developed independently of Eset? well, it is a beta version of nod32, and I think part of that development was for the plugin.. Not sure who is doing it, I never got a reply from Eset saying ANYTHING- even we aren't doing it would have been nice:) -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 Plug-In Beta.
On Wed 11 August 2004, 4:57:49 +1000, Chris Weaven wrote: As stated in the original mail, the reason I believe I need to use the plug-in is because when using a TLS connection with my mail server, IMON is unable to scan the message as it is encrypted. Is this the case? The transport link is encrypted, but the file is not encrypted when it is written to disk, and your AV scanner will be able to check it. -- Robin Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SMTP/POP3 issues (2.12 beta/7)
Hi, I'm using The Bat! version 2.12 beta/7 in evaluation mode and discovered 2 issues that may be bugs: 1) if you create an account without saying during the creation steps that it will use authenticated SMTP, you won't be able to enable this feature afterwards. You can set the checkbox in Account / Properties / Transport / SMTP authentication but this information is lost as soon as the screen is closed. If you create the account checking the SMTP auth during the process of creating the account, it saves this information. 2) if you create an account saying to leave the retrieved messages on the server, it won't leave them there. You have to open the Account / Properties / Mail Management and mark the leave messages on server again before trying to get new mail if you want the messages to remain on the server. I couldn't find any references on these 2 subjects in your FAQ or list discussions. Have these issues already been corrected? (Nestor) _ MSN Messenger: instale grátis e converse com seus amigos. http://messenger.msn.com.br Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SMTP/POP3 issues (2.12 beta/7)
Hello Nestor, Monday, August 9, 2004, 1:57:29 PM, you wrote: NF I'm using The Bat! version 2.12 beta/7 in evaluation mode and NF discovered 2 issues that may be bugs: You are using a very old beta. Try getting the new one, or install the official 2.12 release (it's newer than that beta). -- Leif Gregory (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Tagline of the day: Shchizphrenia beats being alone. Using The Bat! 2.13 Lucky Beta/4 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
NOD32 Plug-In Beta.
Hi all, Unfortunately I'm having major problems with the Kaspersky plug-in and TB!, which in a nutshell means, my incoming mail is unscanned at client level. Therefore, I'm having to assess the options. NOD32 is up there on my list of alternatives, as long as there is a TB! plug-in and that it works. The reason I require a plug-in is because my mail is received via TLS and I am led to believe proxy scanners such as IMON d are unable to scan these types of messages. Plus I like the way plug-ins work. The last I read was that it was at beta stage. Has it got any further than this? Is it working 100%? -- Regards, Chris Created using The Bat! v2.12.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 Plug-In Beta.
Hello Chris, Monday, August 9, 2004, 4:51:14 PM, you wrote: CW NOD32 is up there on my list of alternatives, as long as there is a TB! CW plug-in and that it works. The reason I require a plug-in is because my CW mail is received via TLS and I am led to believe proxy scanners such as CW IMON d are unable to scan these types of messages. Plus I like the way CW plug-ins work. CW The last I read was that it was at beta stage. Has it got any further CW than this? I tried the Nod32 beta with the plugin. I had a problem where I could not send an email with an attachment. I never got an answer back from eset, so I went back to AVG. -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 Plug-In Beta.
Hello Chris, On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Chris mused about NOD32 Plug-In Beta. (at least in part): CW NOD32 is up there on my list of alternatives, as long as there is a TB! CW plug-in and that it works. The reason I require a plug-in is because my CW mail is received via TLS and I am led to believe proxy scanners such as CW IMON d are unable to scan these types of messages. Plus I like the way CW plug-ins work. CW The last I read was that it was at beta stage. Has it got any further CW than this? I have been using nod32 for several years, and have never used a BAT! plug-in. I do not need one. Nod32 will monitor any port you want and stop viruses. Some time back, I got on some list and was getting 3-40 virus emails a day. Nod32 caught them all, with no plug in. Nod32 is fast, and lets NOTHING through. -- __ __ _ __ | \/ (_) ___| |__ __ _ ___| | | |\/| | |/ __| '_ \ / _` |/ _ \ | | | | | | (__| | | | (_| | __/ | |_| |_|_|\___|_| |_|\__,_|\___|_| :einsteinyoyo: Join the new The Bat! Group - play around with The Bat! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit (was: Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?)
Hello Peter, Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 3:41:25 PM, you wrote: PO Up to the 2.04.04 release BayesIt 0.4gm worked quite fine here, with a PO score level of 40. PO Starting with 2.04.04, BayesIt 0.4gm SE hardly catches spam anymore. It PO has been trained with something like 3000 spam messages, which should be PO enough I think. I lowered the score level to 20, without improvement so PO far. I'll try your suggested level of 1 for a while. I have mine set to 10 at the moment and it seems to be doing pretty well. The big problem is that the spammers are changing tactics so often now that there are new things every couple of days sigh -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit (was: Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?)
Hello Peter, On 24 Feb 2004 at 21:41:25 +0100 GMT [21:41 CET] you wrote: PO Hello Andre Wichartz, PO on Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:44:26 +0100 (2004-02-24 18:44:26 in .nl) in the PO message with reference PO mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you PO [AW] wrote (at least in part): DW This is what I've been doing, marking spam as Junk, but shouldn't DW Bayesit start to filter out spam by itself? When does it start DW doing that? AW Yes, but in my experience it needs a lot of spam before. At least a few AW hundred messages, the more the better. Another thing you could try is AW to lower the score needed to move a spam to the junk folder as set in AW preferences. You can set it very low, I've set it to 1, the absolute AW minimum, and still get no false positives. PO Up to the 2.04.04 release BayesIt 0.4gm worked quite fine here, with a PO score level of 40. PO Starting with 2.04.04, BayesIt 0.4gm SE hardly catches spam anymore. I'm still using the old gm. I upgraded to 2.04 and because I had bayesit already installed wasn't asked to install the SE. I understand that you loose the training with the SE and that is has other problems. Therefore I didn't really wanted to update my bayesit. -- Cheers, Andre It's the heart afraid of breaking that never learns to dance. It is the dream afraid of waking that never takes the chance. It is the one who won't be taken who cannot seem to give. And the soul afraid of dying that never learns to live. Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?
Tuesday, February 24, 2004, Doug Weller wrote: I can't get it to kick in. Do you get any error message, such as the /very/ helpful It seems like something is present in your registry, but it's not enough or corrupted that it gives me at startup. Not a big problem to me, but it would be nice if it at least indicated what key it was that it's got problems with. -- Urban A closed mind is a good thing to lose. Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?
Hello ken, on Monday, February 23, 2004, 10:23:53 PM, ken green wrote: I am in no way saying that The Bat is all bad or that Stefan or RitLabs are terrible or anything like that. In fact, I continue to complain about TB's performance because I do plan on using TheBat well into the future. If I didn't, I wouldn't bother. Yes, you are right doing that. But I think anyway what you see are some users who report problems. In software development it is normal that in some special circumstances the software may fail. For the person where it happens this is a pity and it MUST be fixed but this is not easily to find out by beta testers or the porgrammer before the error occurs. Look, one of a described problem was that the progress circle of connection center was displayed in another color than the rest of the box. In my eyes this is a pity because it doesn't look as nice as it should. But it has no influence in receiving mails and stuff like that. So you can work well with the program if it has this bug inside or not. And beta-team plus Stefan tried to find out why this display problem appeared for some few users until they found out that WindowsBlinds (a windows desktop enhancer utility was the reason for that). So in my eyes there you can't blame Stefan if something like that happened. Anyway he tried to fix it. If it still appears, no idea as I don't have Windows Blinds installed. Go check the PocoMail forum. I tried it out, complained a bit about things I felt were important, then let it go and will likely not look back for some time. I honestly felt like Poco was too far removed from what I wanted (features and stability) to wait around. Yes, of course. Stability and needed features is the most important thing. I also checked some years ago (before using The Bat) several other e-mail clients. And it really is a shame how some clients are done (by stability, functionality and usability). Only The Bat offered enough for me to say, yes, this will be my email client for the future. And when you can say this then it's time to go to the registration page for ordering your key. And believe me I never regreted this until now as Ritlabs really try to fix the problems which occur. I think TB is really close. Probably as close to perfect (for me) that a software app could be. Very good. So don't panic if you see a error posting. Be more in sorrow in case a error posting wouldn't be answered or read by the developers. But they do so and if it really is an urgent matter they will fix it quite fast (as in this case done by version 2.04.7). I stick with TheBat because I *WANT* it work. Really bad... :) That is your right and I also want it work. If the Bat wouldn't work I even couldn't complain with Stefan by mail... ;) I don't doubt that this release in better than its predecessor. IT SHOULD BE!!! Why is that thrown out so often when people complain about the latest version? Look through the archives You will read some variation of that response over and over again following critical posts. Well, there I must say that the problem only was caused when upgrading from some special preversions. As I used mostly all betas except the very last RC and the very first test release for me it didn't occur. It mostly happened for people with a old installation which the beta testers normally never have. Maybe this could be a job for Ritlabs to have some installations of old The Bat versions to see if the upgrade is working fine. But I only would test the Release versions - not the Beta ones as they are not for all the people. I think it's fair to hold RitLabs and The Bat to high standards. It's a great product. But it should work as advertised. And as long as new versions are getting released, I expect TB to continue getting greater. Well, yes I also hope so. Many things could be improved (Feature Requests). You may have seen my mails mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. But that are requests which I could imagine as very good for the Bat. I think no other mail client offers these features. So if you ask me I am very happy about The Bat and as you said - let we get it greater! :) -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?
Hello ken, on Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 1:26:48 AM, ken green wrote: Come on, this isn't about my needs changing beyond what The Bat has to offer. This is about The Bat promising on functionality and hitting 90% - and I'm complaining about that 10% Yes, and that is good. If noone would complain Stefan would say everyone is happy and wouldn't continue developing The Bat - and what else he could do in his time! ;) Note that I don't ignore that 90% either. I have repeatedly stated that I like TB. But it doesn't stop me from wanting it to be better. What's wrong with asking for 95% or 97%? Nothing. The opposite is the case: we must ask for 110%. So that means additional features. But the first 100% should have as less errors as possible. But consider your experiences with IMAP. Then go to RitLabs site: Fully functional IMAP4rev1 support for on-line, off-line and combined use That's not about addressing Allie's IMAP problems. IMAP is *NOT* fully functional. And it's supposed to be. Well, that may be. However which software fully implements the IMAP standard? In one of the last c't (a german computer magazine) tests about mail clients only a few had an IMAP support. And from these few I think only the Mozilla suite (or Thunderbird) got best grades. All others were lacking some IMAP features. If IMAP isn't fully imlemented, then the product should state this. It's a principle called truth in advertising. You are right. But in the today world noone wants to hear the truth in advertisemnts else the people wouldn't buy it. It is sad but true. Anyway the IMAP support of The Bat is more less okay. At least you can use it (which not always was the case). However every improvement that is done there really would help to increase the 90%. Viva The Bat! Si! :) -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?
Hello tbudl Thank you for your email dated Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 5:31:08 PM, in which you wrote: M In software development it is normal M that in some special circumstances the software may fail. Ain't that the truth. And with some software the circumstances don't have to all that special either. -- Regards William http://www.residues.info Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?
Hello Doug, on Tue, 24. Feb 2004 at 06:10:24 + you wrote: No, I can't confirm that. For me the 2.04.4 works very fine (also the Spamfilter BayesIt which is included in that distribution. D I can't get it to kick in. I'm not sure what I've done wrong, tried to D follow the instructions. When it's active in Options - Preferences - Anti-Spam you should be able to mark Spam with Specials - Mark as Junk. Look at the Anti-Spam options (in Preferences), what TB should do with spams and you should have it working. If a non-spam should be put into your set spam/junk folder you have to use Specials - Mark as NOT Junk to redefine Bayesit's base. HTH. -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 with POPFile 0.20.1 and avast Jan2004 (4.1.342). Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?
Quoting dAniel hAhler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Doug, on Tue, 24. Feb 2004 at 06:10:24 + you wrote: No, I can't confirm that. For me the 2.04.4 works very fine (also the Spamfilter BayesIt which is included in that distribution. D I can't get it to kick in. I'm not sure what I've done wrong, tried to D follow the instructions. When it's active in Options - Preferences - Anti-Spam you should be able to mark Spam with Specials - Mark as Junk. Look at the Anti-Spam options (in Preferences), what TB should do with spams and you should have it working. This is what I've been doing, marking spam as Junk, but shouldn't Bayesit start to filter out spam by itself? When does it start doing that? If a non-spam should be put into your set spam/junk folder you have to use Specials - Mark as NOT Junk to redefine Bayesit's base. I've also been marking some non-spam as Not Junk in accordance with the instructions. Thanks. Doug -- Doug Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayesit (was: Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?)
Hello Doug, On 24 Feb 2004 at 13:58:38 + GMT [14:58 CET] you wrote: DW This is what I've been doing, marking spam as Junk, but shouldn't Bayesit start DW to filter out spam by itself? When does it start doing that? Yes, but in my experience it needs a lot of spam before. At least a few hundred messages, the more the better. Another thing you could try is to lower the score needed to move a spam to the junk folder as set in preferences. You can set it very low, I've set it to 1, the absolute minimum, and still get no false positives. -- Cheers, Andre Have you ever noticed? Everyone going slower than you is an idiot and everyone going faster a maniac. Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit (was: Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?)
Hello Andre Wichartz, on Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:44:26 +0100 (2004-02-24 18:44:26 in .nl) in the message with reference mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you [AW] wrote (at least in part): DW This is what I've been doing, marking spam as Junk, but shouldn't DW Bayesit start to filter out spam by itself? When does it start DW doing that? AW Yes, but in my experience it needs a lot of spam before. At least a few AW hundred messages, the more the better. Another thing you could try is AW to lower the score needed to move a spam to the junk folder as set in AW preferences. You can set it very low, I've set it to 1, the absolute AW minimum, and still get no false positives. Up to the 2.04.04 release BayesIt 0.4gm worked quite fine here, with a score level of 40. Starting with 2.04.04, BayesIt 0.4gm SE hardly catches spam anymore. It has been trained with something like 3000 spam messages, which should be enough I think. I lowered the score level to 20, without improvement so far. I'll try your suggested level of 1 for a while. Also, since 2.04.04, BayesIt is creating files in %SystemDrive%\ (here D:\) and %Homedrive%%HomePath% (here Z:\), not in any temp-directory. Was it wise to pack BayesIt 0.4gm SE with TB! on such short notice? Well, there have been discussions on TBBETA . . . -- Kind regards, Peter Ouwehand E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - Created the above using A program which insists to be : The Bat! V2.04.7 An OS which insists to be : Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
