Re: Known bug?

2011-02-15 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Akebono,

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:50:03 +0100 GMT (11/Feb/11, 16:50 PM +0700 GMT),
Akebono Translation Service wrote:

ATS It seems The Bat converts the combination of ym to µ in IE's web
ATS address bar if this combination is found within a link in an HTML
ATS e-mail (if the format is plain text, this does not happen).

ATS For example:
ATS www.url.com/name=heymaster=1
ATS becomes
ATS www.url.com/name=heµaster=1
ATS in IE

Not confirmed. I clicked on the first link, and the URL (at least in
the address bar in IE) shows the same. No conversion to the second
URL.

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Re: Known bug?

2011-02-15 Thread Jack S. LaRosa
Hello Thomas,

On Tuesday, February 15, 2011 you wrote:

TF Hello Akebono,

TF On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:50:03 +0100 GMT (11/Feb/11, 16:50 PM +0700 GMT),
TF Akebono Translation Service wrote:

ATS It seems The Bat converts the combination of ym to µ in IE's web
ATS address bar if this combination is found within a link in an HTML
ATS e-mail (if the format is plain text, this does not happen).

ATS For example:
ATS www.url.com/name=heymaster=1
ATS becomes
ATS www.url.com/name=heµaster=1
ATS in IE

TF Not confirmed. I clicked on the first link, and the URL (at least in
TF the address bar in IE) shows the same. No conversion to the second
TF URL.

My result is exactly the same as Thomas's.  Clicking on the
top link launches Firefox and copies the link into Firefox's
address bar exactly as shown.  No conversion to the lower
link and curiously, both links take me to the same page
(URL.COM) even though they both appear in Firefox's address
bar exactly as shown here.

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Known bug?

2011-02-11 Thread Akebono Translation Service
Dear all,

It seems The Bat converts the combination of ym to µ in IE's web
address bar if this combination is found within a link in an HTML
e-mail (if the format is plain text, this does not happen).

For example:
www.url.com/name=heymaster=1
becomes
www.url.com/name=heµaster=1
in IE

Is this a known bug? It seems pretty serious to me!

Best regards,

Loek van Kooten

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Re: Known bug?

2011-02-11 Thread Akebono Translation Service
Dear all,

 It seems The Bat converts the combination of ym to µ in IE's web
 address bar if this combination is found within a link in an HTML
 e-mail (if the format is plain text, this does not happen).

P.S. The mail is encoded in utf-8 and the source clearly says ym, not µ

Best regards,

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Re: Known bug?

2011-02-11 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Friday, February 11, 2011, 10:56:56, Akebono Translation Service wrote:

 P.S. The mail is encoded in utf-8 and the source clearly says ym, not µ

If the source says something like a 
href=http://www.example.com/foo?bar=ym=baz;
that's illegal HTML, and the result is not surprising. All 
characters in HTML must be written as amp;. If a bare  appears in
source, different HTML parsers will do different things - some will
remove  and all alphanumeric characters following it, others will
just remove the , some will leave  as-is and some will try to
interpret the entity even though it's missing the finishing ; (which
is what seems to be happening in your case). None of these behaviours
should be relied on.

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Re: Known bug?

2011-02-11 Thread Akebono Translation Service
Dear Jernej,

 All 
 characters in HTML must be written as amp;.

That explains a lot and solved my issue. Thanks a lot!

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Re: Known bug?

2011-02-11 Thread Sam Brown
- Original Message 
 From: Jernej Simončič jernej.listso...@ena.si


 If the source says something like a 
href=http://www.example.com/foo?bar=ym=baz;
 that's illegal HTML, and the  result is not surprising. All 
 characters in HTML must be written as  amp;. If a bare  appears in
 source, different HTML parsers will do  different things - some will
 remove  and all alphanumeric characters  following it, others will
 just remove the , some will leave  as-is  and some will try to
 interpret the entity even though it's missing the  finishing ; (which
 is what seems to be happening in your case). None of these  behaviours
 should be relied on.


That's accurate except in this case. The reason the  character shouldn't be 
used in HTML is because it's a key element in the parsing of URLs (the  
character separates parameters in the URL). So in this case, where the  
character is actually in a URL, that is a perfectly appropriate usage of the 
character as it is separating the key value pairs bar=y and m=baz.

Loek, this could be a more complicated issue. I'm not clear on whether this is 
an issue with TB! or with IE (I'd be much more inclined to believe it's IE). 
You 
say it works in plain text, but fails in HTML, but only if the destination 
browser is IE? If you copy the URL from the HTML email and paste it into the 
location bar of different browsers (Firefox, Chrome, IE) what  happens? My 
initial thought is that it has something to do with the encoding and possibly 
the settings in your OS. Some rigorous testing would need to be done to narrow 
down where exactly the issue is occurring. 

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Re: Known bug?

2011-02-11 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Friday, February 11, 2011, 15:58:53, Sam Brown wrote:

 That's accurate except in this case. The reason the  character shouldn't be
 used in HTML is because it's a key element in the parsing of URLs (the 
 character separates parameters in the URL). So in this case, where the 
 character is actually in a URL, that is a perfectly appropriate usage of the
 character as it is separating the key value pairs bar=y and m=baz.

No,  should always be escaped in HTML - URLs are no exception. The
HTML parser sees fooamp;bar=baz and knows that the URL has to be
foobar=baz.  on it's own is illegal in HTML, however since way too
many people incorrectly assume that they can use  without escaping
it, most browsers will treat  without ; following it as if amp; was
written. You can see that here:
http://eternallybored.org/misc/thebat/test.html - first URL uses
amp; properly, second one doesn't.

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Re: Known bug?

2011-02-11 Thread Jeff Gaines
Hello Jernej

On Friday, February 11, 2011, 4:55:16 PM, you wrote:

 No,  should always be escaped in HTML - URLs are no exception.

But Google search uses for example:

http://www.google.com/search?q=ampersandhl=ennum=10lr=lang_enft=icr=safe=imagestbs=lr%3Alang_1en


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Re: Known bug?

2011-02-11 Thread Jonathan Bayer

On 2/11/11 12:42 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:

Hello Jernej

On Friday, February 11, 2011, 4:55:16 PM, you wrote:


No,  should always be escaped in HTML - URLs are no exception.

But Google search uses for example:

http://www.google.com/search?q=ampersandhl=ennum=10lr=lang_enft=icr=safe=imagestbs=lr%3Alang_1en


You aren't seeing the escapes behind the scene.  While you may see that 
in your browser, if you look at the source you will see amp  instead of 
the ampersand.



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Re: Known bug?

2011-02-11 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Friday 11 February 2011 at 10:22:13 AM, in
mid:137386865.2011022...@eternallybored.org, Jernej Simoncic
wrote:


 On Friday, February 11, 2011, 10:56:56, Akebono
 Translation Service wrote:

 P.S. The mail is encoded in utf-8 and the source
 clearly says ym, not µ

 If the source says something like a
 href=http://www.example.com/foo?bar=ym=baz; that's
 illegal HTML,

Which suggests a bug in whatever software created the HTML email
message in question, rather than in TB! as the receiving mail app.

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Re: Known bug?

2011-02-11 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Friday, February 11, 2011, 19:41:20, Jonathan Bayer wrote:

 You aren't seeing the escapes behind the scene.  While you may see that
 in your browser, if you look at the source you will see amp  instead of
 the ampersand.

It really depends - some of Google's URLs use amp; and others use
just .

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Inbox - Known ??

2010-09-25 Thread Gary Odom
Hi :

What's the story with the Inbox - Known folder?

Thanks.

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Re: Inbox - Known ??

2010-09-25 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Raymund,

On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:43:45 +0200 GMT (25/Sep/10, 15:43 PM +0700 GMT),
Raymund Tump wrote:

 What's the story with the Inbox - Known folder?

RT Well, there should be a Known filter in your sorting office. That
RT would move all messages that are from people in your addressbook to
RT the known inbox if active.

the problem is that only incoming messages and not outgoing messages
are caught by the Known filter, so the conversations are not in the
same folder and do not thread. There is no known filter for Outgoing
messages.

RT Nowadays you might want to achieve the same thing with a virtual
RT folder and keep all the messages in the inbox.

Much better, but you still need to create seperate filters for
incoming and outgoing messages. A six years old wishlist item could
fix that: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3319

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Re[2]: What is Inbox - Known for?

2006-08-30 Thread Andrew Diederich
Hello Chris,

Tuesday, August 29, 2006, 7:38:25 PM, you wrote:

 Andrew Diederich @ 2006-8-29 8:30:02 PM
 What is Inbox - Known for? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I have a folder called Inbox - Known in one of my two accounts,
 but nothing is in it. I can't figure out what _should_ be in it,
 either. It does look like a system generated folder. What's it for?

 It is for messages from contacts in your address book. There is also a
 pre-built filter in the Sorting Office that will move messages from
 these people into the Known folder. The filter is called Known. You
 may need to enable it.

Mystery solved, thanks!  Outside of mail lists most of the mail I get
is from known people, so I don't think I'll wind up using it.  If
Inbox - Known was just a reference to the email, and not a move or
copy, I'd probably use it, though.

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Re: What is Inbox - Known for?

2006-08-30 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Andrew,

on Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:08:58 -0600GMT (30.08.2006, 21:08 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

AAD Mystery solved, thanks!  Outside of mail lists most of the mail I get
AD is from known people, so I don't think I'll wind up using it.  If
AD Inbox - Known was just a reference to the email, and not a move or
AD copy, I'd probably use it, though.

I'm sure you can make a Virtual Folder do that.

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Re: What is Inbox - Known for?

2006-08-30 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Peter,

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

PM There is a new version of Voyager, based on The Bat! 3.81.14 Beta.

You had me all excited there for a minute until I realised that it's not
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What is Inbox - Known for?

2006-08-29 Thread Andrew Diederich
Hello Batfolk,

I have a folder called Inbox - Known in one of my two accounts, but
nothing is in it.  I can't figure out what _should_ be in it, either.
 It does look like a system generated folder.  What's it for?

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Re: What is Inbox - Known for?

2006-08-29 Thread Chris W .

Andrew Diederich @ 2006-8-29 8:30:02 PM
What is Inbox - Known for? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I have a folder called Inbox - Known in one of my two accounts,
 but nothing is in it. I can't figure out what _should_ be in it,
 either. It does look like a system generated folder. What's it for?

It is for messages from contacts in your address book. There is also a
pre-built filter in the Sorting Office that will move messages from
these people into the Known folder. The filter is called Known. You
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Inbox-Known

2006-06-11 Thread z5worg
Two questions on Inbox-Known:

1. When my cursor in on Inbox-Known and I on New Message, the account
that is being used is Account1234, by default. I don't recall setting
the account to be used for Inbox-known.  Is there a way to set the
default account to another account?  [I don't know whether this is a
coincidence but Inbox-Known is just below Account1234 -- in the Accounts
pane.]

2. In a regular account, I can instruct it to ignore the Reading
Confirmation. However, some of my mail is filtered to Inbox-Known
immediately upon retrieval. When those email are read in Inbox-Known, it
generates a Reading Confirmation Receipt (for each email that requested a
Reading confirmation); and put it in the Outbox of Account1234. How can I
get the Inbox-Known to ignor the Reading Confirmation Request?

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Re: Inbox-Known

2006-06-11 Thread Robert D.
Generally, [EMAIL PROTECTED] foretold :

z How can I get the Inbox-Known to ignor the Reading Confirmation
z Request?

I believe you can set it in Properties of Inbox-Known :

Templates | Over-ride | Ignore
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Re[2]: Inbox-Known

2006-06-11 Thread z5worg

Sunday, June 11, 2006, Robert D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Generally, [EMAIL PROTECTED] foretold :

z How can I get the Inbox-Known to ignor the Reading Confirmation
z Request?

 I believe you can set it in Properties of Inbox-Known :

 Templates | Over-ride | Ignore

I don't have over-ride under Templates.

When I put my cursor on Inbox-Known, and go to Account Properties, the
Common Folder Properties comes up. In that Properties box, all I get
are Options, Templates, Memo and Chat. Under Templates, I only have Save
Messages and Cookies.

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Re: Inbox-Known

2006-06-11 Thread Scott A . Moorman
Hello,

Sunday, June 11, 2006, 7:48:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When I put my cursor on Inbox-Known, and go to Account Properties, the
 Common Folder Properties comes up. In that Properties box, all I get
 are Options, Templates, Memo and Chat. Under Templates, I only have Save
 Messages and Cookies.

 What am I missing?

I see you are using version 2. On the latest non-beta version, it's
under Templates | Confirmation in the folder's property settings.
Here's a screenshot (68k):

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Re: Mail into inbox-known?

2005-12-07 Thread MFPA

Hi

On Sunday 4 December 2005 at 9:19:52 PM, in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Roelof Otten wrote:


M You may find it re-created the next time you start TB!

 IIRC that depends on whether the known filter is active or not.

Only tried once and it came back. I expect the filter was active
because I think I have never altered or deleted it.

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Re: Mail into inbox-known?

2005-12-04 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Darrin,

On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:01:16 -0800GMT (4-12-2005, 6:01 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

D In my address book I have some listed in the default personal address
D book. Others listed in different groups. I dont notice emails from any
D of the people in my address book actually showing up in my inbox-known
D folder. What do you suppose is wrong here?

I guess your known filter could be inactive or all messages could be
processed by other filters. My own inbox-known is rarely used for the
latter reason, hardly any message from people in my AB gets past my
real filters.

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Re: Mail into inbox-known?

2005-12-04 Thread Darrin
Hello Roelof,

Sunday, December 4, 2005, 12:30:56 AM, you wrote:

RO My own inbox-known is rarely used for the
RO latter reason, hardly any message from people in my AB gets past my
RO real filters.

I dont really think of any reason why I would need it anyway. So I
think Ill just delete it.


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Re: Mail into inbox-known?

2005-12-04 Thread MFPA

Hi

On Sunday 4 December 2005 at 12:46:39 PM, in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Darrin wrote:


 I dont really think of any reason why I would need it anyway. So I
 think Ill just delete it.

You may find it re-created the next time you start TB!

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Re: Mail into inbox-known?

2005-12-04 Thread Darrin
Hello MFPA,

Sunday, December 4, 2005, 1:04:28 PM, you wrote:

M You may find it re-created the next time you start TB!

Nope. Didnt show up.


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Re: Mail into inbox-known?

2005-12-04 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo MFPA,

On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:04:28 +GMT (4-12-2005, 22:04 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

 I dont really think of any reason why I would need it anyway. So I
 think Ill just delete it.

M You may find it re-created the next time you start TB!

IIRC that depends on whether the known filter is active or not.

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Mail into inbox-known?

2005-12-03 Thread Darrin
Hello friends,

In my address book I have some listed in the default personal address
book. Others listed in different groups. I dont notice emails from any
of the people in my address book actually showing up in my inbox-known
folder. What do you suppose is wrong here?



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Inbox known - missing from random account

2005-07-31 Thread The Janitor
31 July 2005 - 14:58

Hello Tbudl,

I stopped using TB! just over a year ago (I can't remember why) but a couple of 
days ago saw the error of my ways and bought and installed the latest version. 

It was like slipping into an old leather jacket; everything fitted perfectly! I 
bought Bloomba, then somebody else did; I persevered with Poco. What a waste of 
a year.

Now, I've just gone through my ten accounts and activated the 'inbox - known' 
filter but on one of those accounts (the third to be stet up) it was missing. 
Not a great problem - I just created it, but does anyone know what might have 
happened to it? None of the accounts has any other filters in place.

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Deleting Known Inbox

2005-07-13 Thread alien
Hi TBUDL'ers,

I don't use the Known filter which is created by default. Is it Ok to
delete the Known Inbox? This is a special folder so I don't want to
regret this later on.

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Re: Deleting Known Inbox

2005-07-13 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo alien,

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:03:25 -0300GMT (13-7-2005, 17:03 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

A I don't use the Known filter which is created by default.

That's totally up to you.

A Is it Ok to delete the Known Inbox?

Yes.

A This is a special folder so I don't want to regret this later on.

IIRC It will be created anew when you start using the known filter.

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Re: Deleting Known Inbox

2005-07-13 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello alien,

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:03:25 -0300 GMT (13/07/2005, 22:03 +0700 GMT),
alien wrote:

a I don't use the Known filter which is created by default. Is it Ok to
a delete the Known Inbox? This is a special folder so I don't want to
a regret this later on.

It's perfectly OK. TB will recreate the folder upon next startup,
AFAIK. :-(

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Re: Deleting Known Inbox

2005-07-13 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Thomas,

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:14:15 +0700GMT (13-7-2005, 18:14 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

a I don't use the Known filter which is created by default. Is it Ok to
a delete the Known Inbox? This is a special folder so I don't want to
a regret this later on.

TF It's perfectly OK. TB will recreate the folder upon next startup,
TF AFAIK. :-(

Not when you disable the known filter.

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Re[2]: Inbox-known

2005-06-18 Thread Jeff Gaines
Hello Group

On Saturday, June 18, 2005, 3:00:48 AM, Darrin wrote:

 Hello Thomas,

 Friday, June 17, 2005, 8:22:23 AM, you wrote:

 The Known fitler should be there by default under the Incoming
 filters. It has a tickbox for Active - maybe yours is not ticked.

 I checked and nothing. I know how to re-create the known inbox, but
 how do I re-create the filter?
 Thanks


The condition is:

Address Book  Contains   Sender

Action is:

Move To The Folder (folder name)

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Re: Inbox-known

2005-06-18 Thread Darrin
Hello Jeff,

Saturday, June 18, 2005, 1:18:07 AM, you wrote:

 The condition is:

 Address Book  Contains   Sender

 Action is:

 Move To The Folder (folder name)

Great! Thank you much :)

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Re: Inbox-known

2005-06-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Darrin,

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:20:24 -0700 GMT (17/06/2005, 09:20 +0700 GMT),
Darrin wrote:

D It is the latter. I happen to look in the sorting office and there is
D no filters for known senders. So I guess I have to create one?

The Known fitler should be there by default under the Incoming
filters. It has a tickbox for Active - maybe yours is not ticked.

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Re: Inbox-known

2005-06-17 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Friday, June 17, 2005, 10:22:23 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

 The Known fitler should be there by default under the Incoming
 filters. It has a tickbox for Active - maybe yours is not ticked.

I recently made the switch from POP to IMAP. I have created a few
local filters for my new IMAP account, so I just took a look at that
account's sorting office, and find no 'known' filter there.


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Re: Inbox-known

2005-06-17 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Friday, June 17, 2005, 10:50:52 AM, Dwight A Corrin wrote:

 I recently made the switch from POP to IMAP. I have created a few
 local filters for my new IMAP account, so I just took a look at that
 account's sorting office, and find no 'known' filter there.

and on further reflection, immediately after sending the send button
on last message, notice there is no inbox-known created for that
account.


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Re: Inbox-known

2005-06-17 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Dwight A Corrin  everyone else,

on 17-Jun-2005 at 17:56 you (Dwight A Corrin) wrote:

 sending the send button

That button didn't arrive here yet, however... ;-)

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Re: Inbox-known

2005-06-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Dwight,

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:50:52 -0500 GMT (17/06/2005, 22:50 +0700 GMT),
Dwight A Corrin wrote:

DAC I recently made the switch from POP to IMAP.

Oh sorry. I don't know about IMAP, I was talking about POP.

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Re: Inbox-known

2005-06-17 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Friday, June 17, 2005, 11:23:05 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

DAC I recently made the switch from POP to IMAP.

 Oh sorry. I don't know about IMAP, I was talking about POP.

I don't know either. Figured the only to learn whether that was
because of the differences, or whether it was an oversight, was to
ask.


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Re: Inbox-known

2005-06-17 Thread Darrin
Hello Thomas,

Friday, June 17, 2005, 8:22:23 AM, you wrote:

 The Known fitler should be there by default under the Incoming
 filters. It has a tickbox for Active - maybe yours is not ticked.

I checked and nothing. I know how to re-create the known inbox, but
how do I re-create the filter?
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Inbox-known

2005-06-16 Thread Darrin
Hello TBUDL,

  I thought that all mail from users in my address book will go into
  inbox-known automatically. Doesnt seem to work. Is there something
  I must do to get this working?

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Re: Inbox-known

2005-06-16 Thread Bill McCarthy
On Thu 16-Jun-05 8:21pm -0500, Darrin wrote:

   I thought that all mail from users in my address book will go into
   inbox-known automatically. Doesnt seem to work. Is there something
   I must do to get this working?

What do you mean by doesn't seem to work?

Are mails going into inbox-known that are from senders
not in your address book?  Or are mails from senders in
your address book not going in?

If it is the latter, run Test Filters on a mail that
should have gone there.  Is it going somewhere else?

If nothing is being triggered, make sure there is a
sender address that is really in your address book and
the known filter is active.

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Re: Inbox-known

2005-06-16 Thread Darrin
Hello Bill,

Thursday, June 16, 2005, 7:06:15 PM, you wrote:

 If it is the latter, run Test Filters on a mail that
 should have gone there.  Is it going somewhere else?

 If nothing is being triggered, make sure there is a
 sender address that is really in your address book and
 the known filter is active.

It is the latter. I happen to look in the sorting office and there is
no filters for known senders. So I guess I have to create one?

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Re: Inbox-known

2005-06-16 Thread Bill McCarthy
On Thu 16-Jun-05 9:20pm -0500, Darrin wrote:

 Thursday, June 16, 2005, 7:06:15 PM, you wrote:

 If it is the latter, run Test Filters on a mail that
 should have gone there.  Is it going somewhere else?

 If nothing is being triggered, make sure there is a
 sender address that is really in your address book and
 the known filter is active.

 It is the latter. I happen to look in the sorting office and there is
 no filters for known senders. So I guess I have to create one?

It one time it was created automatically.  It was
called known (without the quotes).  You are not
really missing anything important - I have mine
disabled.

I created my own called known with put messages not
with me as a sender (I'm in the address book) AND with
the sender in the address book.  The actions is to move
to Inbox-known and it is active.

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[Known] folder

2005-02-09 Thread Sharyn Hutchens
Just had to install TB on another computer and have finally gotten everything 
working right.  I'm thoroughly enjoying the upgrades to both TB and Bayesit -- 
most everything that bothered me is gone with the new versions.  But I can't 
find the filter to make the Known folder work.  This is TB v3.0.1.33 and 
Bayesit 0.7.3.  I'm quite sure it's obvious, but I'm throwing in the 
towelhelp?

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Re: [Known] folder

2005-02-09 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Sharyn,

Wednesday, February 9, 2005, 9:16:13 AM, you wrote:
S Just had to install TB on another computer and have finally gotten
S everything working right. I'm thoroughly enjoying the upgrades to
S both TB and Bayesit -- most everything that bothered me is gone
S with the new versions. But I can't find the filter to make the
S Known folder work. This is TB v3.0.1.33 and Bayesit 0.7.3. I'm
S quite sure it's obvious, but I'm throwing in the towelhelp?


On the options tab for the Known filter, is the box for making the
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Re: [Known] folder

2005-02-09 Thread Sharyn Hutchens
Leif writes:
 On the options tab for the Known filter, is the box for making the
 filter Active checked?

You just fixed my problem, Leif -- thanks!  And I've added the 
dash-dash-space-return to my templates too.  I didn't know that trick (though I 
bet it's in the welcome file and I'd just forgotten it)

Thanks again!

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Re: [Known] folder

2005-02-09 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Sharyn,

Wednesday, February 9, 2005, 10:20:58 AM, you wrote:
S You just fixed my problem, Leif -- thanks! And I've added the
S dash-dash-space-return to my templates too. I didn't know that
S trick (though I bet it's in the welcome file and I'd just forgotten
S it)

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Re: [Known] folder

2005-02-09 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Sharyn,

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:16:13 -0500 GMT (09/02/2005, 23:16 +0700 GMT),
Sharyn Hutchens wrote:

SH But I can't find the filter to make the Known folder work. This is
SH TB v3.0.1.33

Account / Sorting Office / Incoming / Known

It works on email addresses in your addressbook.

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Re: Known filter explanation

2004-10-13 Thread Stuart Cuddy
Hello Anthony,
Tuesday, October 12, 2004, 10:37:14 PM, you wrote:

AGA Since nobody has stepped forward to clarify the details of how the known
AGA filter works and it isn't documented anywhere that I can find, I can
AGA only assume that it is top secret and not intended to actually be used.
AGA Is this correct?

 How would you like it to work? In Version 2 of The Bat! the directory
 was automatically created if you selected use Known filter. You could
 then tell it what Address book groups to watch for names of people
 you considered Known. This was  selected in the Sorting Office.

 In the New Version 3, there is no self creating filter, so all you
 have to do is create the filter the way you would like it to operate.

 My Known inbox just uses Address book contains sender. My Inbox is
 described as Known but is called Inbox Known in the folder tree.
 I guess this is a hold over from the old sorting office. You can if
 you want tell it to only look in certain Address book groups.

 If your Known Inbox was created by Upgrading from version 2, I would
 just delete the criteria part and recreate it the way you want it.
 Depending on when you upgraded there was some bugs in the process
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Re: Known filter explanation

2004-10-13 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Stuart Cuddy writes:

 How would you like it to work?

Well, since you ask:  Ideally for me, this filter would allow me to
match some arbitrary field(s) in the message against entries in the
address book, potentially using regular expressions, and would allow me
to move messages that match to specific folders based on some arbitrary
field in the message.  In other words, with one filter, I'd be able to
look for specific matches against the address book and file all messages
from a given person in the AB into a specific folder for that person.
So messages from John would go into a folder called (perhaps) JohnMail,
and filters from Jane would go into a folder called JaneMail, and so on.

The advantage would be that I wouldn't have to define a filter for
everyone I know and for whom I'd like to file mail in a specific folder.
Right now most of my filters are for specific individuals, sending their
e-mails to specific folders.

 If your Known Inbox was created by Upgrading from version 2, I would
 just delete the criteria part and recreate it the way you want it.
 Depending on when you upgraded there was some bugs in the process
 that caused errors.

I have a folder called Inbox - Known under my account, but I don't
understand what it is for or how it works.  I did create the current
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Re: Known filter explanation

2004-10-13 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Anthony G. Atkielski  everyone else

13-Okt-2004 18:18, you wrote:

 Right now most of my filters are for specific individuals, sending their
 e-mails to specific folders.

You could do this with Virtual Folders more easily, and include the replies
you sent to that person to allow for a real conversation thread with that
person (or AB group).

I'm using a known filter to move messages from my inbox to more global
directories like friends  family (or work or colleagues, or
whatever, its just to have them away from the inbox as known), and from
there they are picked up by Virtual Folders where needed. The VF's are set
so that they filter both where the particular person (or AB group) is
either sender or recipient.

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Known filter explanation

2004-10-12 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Since nobody has stepped forward to clarify the details of how the known
filter works and it isn't documented anywhere that I can find, I can
only assume that it is top secret and not intended to actually be used.
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Re: Known filter explanation

2004-10-12 Thread Michael L. Wilson
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Anthony mused about Known filter explanation
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AGA Since nobody has stepped forward to clarify the details of how the known
AGA filter works and it isn't documented anywhere that I can find, I can
AGA only assume that it is top secret and not intended to actually be used.
AGA Is this correct?

That is correct.  My experience is this:  Any email that comes from
any email address in your addressbook is known and goes in the known
folder.  Other people say that only emails that comes from your
account email address (i.e.: sent by you to you) are known and go to
the known folder.

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Re[2]: How do known filters work?

2004-10-11 Thread expires30sept04
Hi

On Sunday, 10 October, 2004, at 3:50:11 PM, Anthony G. Atkielski wrote:

It doesn't seem to work when I try it.

Have you selected which address books to use? I have them
unchecked as I do not wish to use this feature.

 Also, what gets generated in place of $KNOWN$ for a folder name in which
 to place the messages?

Inbox - Known (at least in v2)

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Re: Known filter...

2004-10-10 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Thorvald,

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:56:53 +0200GMT (10-10-2004, 16:56 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

 Incoming filters (including subfilters) don't care about the folder
 where the message is.
TN My incoming filters in v1.x and 2.x have always (at least for me)
TN treated the mails from my Inbox only as Incoming mail.

That's right, that changed with the NFS

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Re: Known filter...

2004-10-10 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Alexander,

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:19:58 +0200GMT (10-10-2004, 17:19 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

 You'd have to set up a final subfilter that will move the message to your
 general newsletter location if it wasn't caught by any other subfilter
 before.

 I just tested this.
 No need for a final subfilter. And no dupes.

ASK So I've been talking crap again. Thanks for testing it.

ASK (...though I could swear I ended up with dupes when two filters had a match
ASK for the same message  both were move action filters...)

In the beginning stages of the NFS that occurred to me too. Was one
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Known filter...

2004-10-09 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ!

I am experiencing something strange.

I activated a Known filter for one account which uses:

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [F41F9220.01C4A5F6.4920F440.19A28B47]
Name: Known
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`11`0`0`0\0D\0A}
MoveMessage folder \5C\5CMyAccountName\5CInbox\20-\20Known
IsContinue
IsActive
Ignore
IsSendQueue
endFilter

It is set before my SPAM-filters get active (so the known filter is
the last filter for valid emails).

I now and then receive some emails which get sorted to specific
folders before they get in touch with the known filter, but somehow
the known filter kicks in and re-sorts those mails into the known
folder.

Anybody else experienced this behaviour?

In v1.xx und v2.xx it worked eithout such annoyances.

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Re: Known filter...

2004-10-09 Thread Stuart Cuddy
Hello Thorvald,
Saturday, October 9, 2004, 8:12:57 AM, you wrote:

TN It is set before my SPAM-filters get active (so the known filter is
TN the last filter for valid emails).

TN I now and then receive some emails which get sorted to specific
TN folders before they get in touch with the known filter, but somehow
TN the known filter kicks in and re-sorts those mails into the known
TN folder.

Do your other filters have Continue Processing with other Filters
turned on?

If they do then this is what should happen. Yes/No.

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Re: Known filter...

2004-10-09 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ!

Saturday, October 9, 2004, 16:43, Stuart Cuddy wrote:
 Do your other filters have Continue Processing with other Filters
 turned on?

Yes, sure.

 If they do then this is what should happen. Yes/No.

I do not think so, at least from my old view how filters worked in
OFS. I did not set up new filters when I upgraded from v2.xx to v3.xx;
I am still using my old setup (which I had to tweak in v3).

E.g.:

I have got an email from a contact which is in my addressbook, but he
is also on a mailinglist.

I have set my filters up to first check if any email is send to a
mailinglist. If this is true, it should be moved from the inbox to a
specific list folder. If untrue, the next filter should take over. At
the end of the filter list, I have my known filter.

If now the sender is in my address book and on the same mailinglist,
the mail does get moved from the mailinglist folder to the Inbox -
Known-folder. Which wasn't the case in v1.xx and v2.xx, where it
resided happily in the folder where the first filter put it.

It seems the Known filter checks all new messages, irrevelant where
the new messages are, even when they are already moved out of the
Inbox before it is its turn.

Or do I have to specify a Source Folder for the Known filter in NFS
now?

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Re[2]: Known filter...

2004-10-09 Thread Stuart Cuddy
Hello Thorvald,
Saturday, October 9, 2004, 12:49:55 PM, you wrote:


 Do your other filters have Continue Processing with other Filters
 turned on?

TN Yes, sure.

I think this is your problem.

Filter 1 - Filters it to the list folder.

Filter Known - if Continue processing is turned on in Filter 1 will
then send the message to the Known folder.
   - if Continue processing is turned off in Filter 1
will not be acted on.

This is different than how the OFS worked.

In other words don't turn on Continue Processing unless you want
further actions on the current message.

Messages not caught by Filter 1 will still be caught by the Know
filter.

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Re: Virtual folders and known filters

2004-09-04 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Lynn,

04-Sep-2004 06:42, you wrote:

ASK What if you alter the filtering rules to something... simple?

 There is no filtering to that folder that I'm aware of - am I missing
 something?

Right-click on the Virtual Folder and open its properties. There's a tab
Filter. Is the checkbox use filter ticked?

Virtual Folders are being filtered into not the common way. If you think
of the messages in a normal folder as a database, then a Virtual Folder
is a certain viewpoint to that database - by defining Virtual Folder
filter rules you tell the virtual folder you only want to see messages of
this-and-that type (according to your filter rules).

For example, you could track any private conversation between you and me by
creating a virtual folder that watches your inbox and your sent-mail folder
with a filter applied so that it will show only messages from/to you/me.


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Re[2]: Virtual folders and known filters

2004-09-04 Thread Lynn

Friday, September 3, 2004, 10:29:40 AM, you wrote:

MM I know it cannot help *now*, when the corruption
MM already happened, but it can save lots of future
MM screams, and perhaps modify them to the ones of a
MM pleasure. (-:

Hmm. Well, that folder wasn't one that I restored with
TB's utility, it's just one I made on *this* particular
install .. so whatever the problem is, it didn't happen
there.

It's not watching any folders. I changed its name.

But it still claims the parked messages are there, and
won't be deleted sigh

MM Just to say, yet, that TB has no any Recover option,
MM its just Restore one. One should be careful with it.

It's always worked well for me, so far anyway. It did
restore my AB with no hitches .. *that* was something of a
relief! lol!

Thanks for continuing to puzzle over it .. there *must* be
some way to get rid of it .. it's a constant testimony to
my clumsiness sitting there at the end of the folder list!

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Re[2]: Virtual folders and known filters

2004-09-04 Thread Lynn

Saturday, September 4, 2004, 1:12:45 AM, you wrote:

ASK Right-click on the Virtual Folder and open its
ASK properties. There's a tab
ASK Filter. Is the checkbox use filter ticked?

Nothing is ticked in the properties for that filter except
'remove old messages' and 'compress the folder' ..
actually, there was never any box checked on the filter
tab.

ASK Virtual Folders are being filtered into not the
ASK common way. If you think of the messages in a
ASK normal folder as a database, then a Virtual Folder
ASK is a certain viewpoint to that database - by
ASK defining Virtual Folder filter rules you tell the
ASK virtual folder you only want to see messages of
ASK this-and-that type (according to your filter rules).

OK .. that's nice to know.

ASK For example, you could track any private conversation
ASK between you and me by creating a virtual folder that
ASK watches your inbox and your sent-mail folder with a
ASK filter applied so that it will show only messages
ASK from/to you/me.

And again .. but still doesn't apply.

Thanks for trying though ..

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Re: Virtual folders and known filters

2004-09-03 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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   ***^\ ._)~~
 ~( __ _o   Was Thu, 2 Sep 2004, at 16:45:47 -0700,
   @  @  when Lynn wrote:

 Thursday, September 2, 2004, 3:43:48 PM, you wrote:

 However, in messing around I created a virtual inbox
 folder which I can't now get rid of; it says there are
 parked messages in it, which there are not, that I can
 find, but I can't delete it.

M Can't you rename it? And/or change the folder(s) it
M is watching?

 I can rename it, but that doesn't help. I unchecked
 the folder it was watching, but that didn't help either.
 It's *sure* there are parked messages there, but it won't
 show them, and I can't figure out how to get rid of them.

 I ran maintenance, but that didn't change anything.

 It was saying 174 messages in it, though showing none,
 and I managed to delete them, or at least it's not showing
 them any more, but it *still* says there are parked
 messages ...

 Aaarrrghhh!

I now the feeling. It's nice if a (wo)man is able to scream; the really
serious trouble begins in a silence. (-:

As I can see you were using so called Backup function of TB. I did it
only once, and then yet another time, and it was nuff to me... to learn
to *never* use it for any backup. Simply because it *damages* files, and
it *cannot* be recovered.

For back-up I use an ordinary archiving program (as Arj, or
WinZip...), because it is *much* safer. If by any chance such archive is
corrupted (but this type of corruption is very, very rare; it happened
to me only once, and just because HDD was damaged) it *can* be recovered
(to the decent degree, and sometimes even entirely), which with TB's
Backup utility it is *not* possible.

That's one of reasons I keep my Mail folder separately, on a separate
partition, and am doing its complete backup, just by (recursively)
compressing entire folder (with all subfolders and files in it).

Then I do the same with TB folder.

And finally am copying TB registry entry (usually to the compressed Mail
folder).

Then I always am able to restore my mail and all my settings, even after
a worst play with something nasty, as with TBv3, for instance. And all
of that just in few minutes (about 20.000 letters in this moment, and
~400 folders, 2-3 active accounts and about 20 inactive ones).

I know it cannot help *now*, when the corruption already happened, but
it can save lots of future screams, and perhaps modify them to the ones
of a pleasure. (-:

Just to say, yet, that TB has no any Recover option, its just
Restore one. One should be careful with it.

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Re[2]: Virtual folders and known filters

2004-09-03 Thread Lynn

Friday, September 3, 2004, 5:13:55 AM, you wrote:

 It was saying 174 messages in it, though showing none,
 and I managed to delete them, or at least it's not
 showing them any more, but it *still* says there are
 parked messages ...

ASK What if you alter the filtering rules to something...
ASK simple?

There is no filtering to that folder that I'm aware of -
am I missing something?

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Re: Virtual folders and known filters

2004-09-02 Thread MAU
Hello Lynn,

 However, in messing around I created a virtual inbox
 folder which I can't now get rid of; it says there are
 parked messages in it, which there are not, that I can
 find, but I can't delete it.

Can't you rename it? And/or change the folder(s) it is watching?

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Re[2]: Virtual folders and known filters

2004-09-02 Thread Lynn

Thursday, September 2, 2004, 3:43:48 PM, you wrote:

 However, in messing around I created a virtual inbox
 folder which I can't now get rid of; it says there are
 parked messages in it, which there are not, that I can
 find, but I can't delete it.

M Can't you rename it? And/or change the folder(s) it
M is watching?

I can rename it, but that doesn't help. I unchecked
the folder it was watching, but that didn't help either.
It's *sure* there are parked messages there, but it won't
show them, and I can't figure out how to get rid of them.

I ran maintenance, but that didn't change anything.

It was saying 174 messages in it, though showing none,
and I managed to delete them, or at least it's not showing
them any more, but it *still* says there are parked
messages ...

Aaarrrghhh!

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Virtual folders and known filters

2004-09-01 Thread Lynn
Hi all -

I have a frustrating problem.

When I installed the first v2 TB, something bad happened to
my templates, and I hoped that installing v2.12 would fix
them. As it didn't, (apparently when I imported the
backups, I imported the problem too) I deinstalled and
reinstalled.

Naturally, that dumped my message base, and I had hoped to
recover that somehow, but apparently I'm going to have to
do without it. I recovered some with the import tool, but
most won't work. Possibly because they are in subfolders?

However, in messing around I created a virtual inbox
folder which I can't now get rid of; it says there are
parked messages in it, which there are not, that I can
find, but I can't delete it.

Finding RitLab's announcement when I logged in this
morning didn't help ... :-( I'm not sure I want to go
through the whole reinstall thing again, and have to
rebuild all my filters - which brings me to a weird thing
that's happening with my known filters ... there are at
least 4 of them and for a while they kept shifting to the
top of the list ... that seems to have stopped, but I
can't delete the extras .. anybody got an idea what's
going on here?

tia,

Lynn


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Lost Inbox-Known

2004-07-22 Thread Darrin Rich
Hello,

  Anyone know how to get it back?
  Thanks
 
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Re: Lost Inbox-Known

2004-07-22 Thread Paul Cartwright

Hello Darrin,


DR   Anyone know how to get it back?
DR   Thanks

I think if you add a folder called $KNOWN$
that will add it back.
when I right-click an accounts inbox-known, the name shows as :
$KNOWN$

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Re: Lost Inbox-Known

2004-07-22 Thread Darrin Rich
Hi Paul,
On 7/22/2004 12:10 PM my time, Paul wrote:
PC I think if you add a folder called $KNOWN$
PC that will add it back.
PC when I right-click an accounts inbox-known, the name shows as :
PC $KNOWN$

PC with the $ on both sides.


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Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Problem with mail and $KNOWN$ folder...)

2004-05-26 Thread WilWilWil
Hi,

I apologize if I do not respect rules. You explain these rules but I am French
and I've a lot of difficulties to understand  what was wrong in my post and what
you explain to me.

So I try to find somebody who can translate and explain your mail and the rules. AT 
the time I
stop mail and I apologize again to all the users of the list for my mistakes.

I will be back as soon as I will understand how the list work.

Thank you
Sincerely,


WilWilWil
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==Original message text===

From: Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WilWilWil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2004, 9:36:09 PM
Subject: Mod: Top posting (was: Problem with mail and $KNOWN$ folder...)

LG Hi WilWilWil,

LG On Tue, 25 May 2004, at 21:33:11 [GMT +0200] (which was 1:33 PM where
LG I live) you wrote:
W It is the only one filter...


LG moderator
LG Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
LG just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
LG instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out WilWilWil.

LG This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting.

LG Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your
LG message and following it with all quoted text below, is not
LG encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list
LG because 

LG a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the
LGtop of the message

LG and

LG b) It encourages excessive quoting.

LG We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to
LG which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to,
LG and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're
LG responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each
LG part separately and follow each part with your response.

LG Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that
LG you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much
LG respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active
LG members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being
LG asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership
LG here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group
LG when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and
LG understand.

LG Thank you.
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Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Problem with mail and $KNOWN$ folder...)

2004-05-26 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello WilWilWil,

Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 9:49:00 AM, you wrote:
WilWilWil I apologize if I do not respect rules. You explain these
WilWilWil rules but I am French and I've a lot of difficulties to
WilWilWil understand what was wrong in my post and what you explain
WilWilWil to me.

No problem. We're all learning! :-)

The rule is not to post your reply to the top of the reply. Instead,
put your reply underneath what they said. Or, like I am doing here,
where I reply to individual pieces of your message, is called in-line
quoting.


WilWilWil So I try to find somebody who can translate and explain
WilWilWil your mail and the rules. AT the time I stop mail and I
WilWilWil apologize again to all the users of the list for my
WilWilWil mistakes.

Please don't stop posting. We'd like to hear from you, and we're here
to give help where needed. Marck, Allie, and I are more than willing
to help you understand the rules.

WilWilWil I will be back as soon as I will understand how the list
WilWilWil work.

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Re: Problem with mail and $KNOWN$ folder...

2004-05-25 Thread Edgar van Dijk
Hello WilWilWil,

On Monday, May 24, 2004, 6:04:21 PM, Peter answered you:

W WHY the mails of my friends (who are in my addresses
W book) go to the receipt folder
W and not in the KNOWN receipt folder ?

P Is the Known filter activated? (Account » Sorting Office/Filters »
P Incoming mail)

And if this filter is active is it before the other filters or on
the bottom?

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Re[2]: Problem with mail and $KNOWN$ folder...

2004-05-25 Thread WilWilWil
Hi,

It is the only one filter...



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From: Edgar van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2004, 8:38:38 AM
Subject: Problem with mail and $KNOWN$ folder...

EvD Hello WilWilWil,

EvD On Monday, May 24, 2004, 6:04:21 PM, Peter answered you:

W WHY the mails of my friends (who are in my addresses
W book) go to the receipt folder
W and not in the KNOWN receipt folder ?

P Is the Known filter activated? (Account » Sorting Office/Filters »
P Incoming mail)

EvD And if this filter is active is it before the other filters or on
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Problem with mail and $KNOWN$ folder...

2004-05-24 Thread WilWilWil
Hi,

I have my friends in my Addresses Book. I 've say to TB in general parameters that 
this addresses book is the
default addresses book. I've said to TB in the account parameters that it is my
default addresses book. And the rules for in going mails of the account are well
set with the correct addresses book checked.

WHY the mails of my friends (who are in my addresses book) go to the receipt folder
and not in the KNOWN receipt folder ?

Thanks

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Re: Problem with mail and $KNOWN$ folder...

2004-05-24 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi WilWilWil,

on Mon, 24 May 2004 16:38:37 +0200GMT, you wrote:

W WHY the mails of my friends (who are in my addresses book) go to the receipt folder
W and not in the KNOWN receipt folder ?

Is the Known filter activated? (Account » Sorting Office/Filters »
Incoming mail)

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Re: Known filter special?

2004-03-01 Thread Urban
Sunday, February 29, 2004, Allister Jenks wrote:

 Alas, this does not seem to be possible?

Play on sound on incoming mail in the folder that $known$ filters to and
set the $known$ filter to continue processing.
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Re: Known filter special?

2004-03-01 Thread Allister Jenks
Monday, March 1, 2004, 1:22:12 PM, Urban wrote:

U Sunday, February 29, 2004, Allister Jenks wrote:

 Alas, this does not seem to be possible?

U Play on sound on incoming mail in the folder that $known$ filters to and
U set the $known$ filter to continue processing.

Thanks Urban.  I did not know about the sound settings at folder level.
I've set it up and will await some mail!

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Re: Known filter special?

2004-02-29 Thread Deborah W
On Sunday, February 29, 2004, 6:09:05 AM, Allister Jenks wrote:

AJ Yes, I know it *is* special, but I had an idea that I wanted a
AJ sound to be played when something was filtered by it - i.e. some
AJ *real* email has arrived.

There's an option to Play sound on the Actions tab of the filter,
which includes the option to play the wav file of your choice - is
that what you're looking for?

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Re: Known filter special?

2004-02-29 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Deborah,

on Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:59:55 +GMT, you wrote:

DW On Sunday, February 29, 2004, 6:09:05 AM, Allister Jenks wrote:

AJ Yes, I know it *is* special, but I had an idea that I wanted a
AJ sound to be played when something was filtered by it - i.e. some
AJ *real* email has arrived.

DW There's an option to Play sound on the Actions tab of the filter,
DW which includes the option to play the wav file of your choice

I can't find this for the built-in $known$ filters or folders...

As a work around, you can create your own Known folder with all the
options of a normal folder including sound.

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Re: Known filter special?

2004-02-29 Thread MAU
Hello Deborah,

 There's an option to Play sound on the Actions tab of the filter,
 which includes the option to play the wav file of your choice 

Not in the Known filter :)

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Re: Known filter special?

2004-02-29 Thread Deborah W
On Sunday, February 29, 2004, 10:57:33 AM, MAU wrote:

M Not in the Known filter :)

I should read subject-lines, shouldn't I? :-)

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Re: Known filter special?

2004-02-29 Thread MAU
Hello Deborah,

 I should read subject-lines, shouldn't I? :-)

What is a subject line? ;-)

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Known filter special?

2004-02-28 Thread Allister Jenks
Hello TBUDLers,

Yes, I know it *is* special, but I had an idea that I wanted a sound to
be played when something was filtered by it - i.e. some *real* email has
arrived.

Alas, this does not seem to be possible?

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known

2004-02-05 Thread shemming
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Am I right in thinking that all messages caught by this filter would
end up in the same mailbox?

I currently have filters for individuals or groups that move messages
from them (and to them as I have myself set up as a bcc to all
outgoing messages) but managing each of them for multiple accounts can
be a pain, but I don't think I can achieve the same thing with the
known filter. Am I right?

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Re: known

2004-02-05 Thread MAU
Hello shemming,

 Am I right in thinking that all messages caught by this filter would
 end up in the same mailbox?

Yes, you are.

 I currently have filters for individuals or groups that move messages
 from them (and to them as I have myself set up as a bcc to all
 outgoing messages) but managing each of them for multiple accounts can
 be a pain, but I don't think I can achieve the same thing with the
 known filter. Am I right?

Yes, you are.

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Re: known

2004-02-05 Thread Stuart Hemming
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M Yes, you are.
Bugger! Another plan bites the big one.

TVM.

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KNOWN folder

2003-11-03 Thread rich gregory
The KNOWN folder has no Identity property that will allow me to write my friends 
from a 'safe' return address?

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Re: KNOWN folder

2003-11-03 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo rich,

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 02:20:11 -0500GMT (3-11-03, 8:20 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

rg The KNOWN folder has no Identity property that will allow
rg me to write my friends from a 'safe' return address?

That means you'll have to use a 'safe' address as main address for
your account or that you create an AB group that includes all of your
friends and that has templates set with either the %from or %account
macro.

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Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

2003-07-22 Thread Stefan Tanurkov
Hello Marck, 

MDP There is no definitive list that I know of. We'll have to beg for a
MDP straight answer from one of the programmers. Maybe we should ask on
MDP TBBETA?

The list is right. Currently, From, Reply-To, Return-Path and Sender
fields are used. I've seen the message from Bill about Resent-From
missing. It'll be fixed, obviously. :-)

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Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

2003-07-21 Thread audiac
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 10:37:12 PM, MikeD wrote:

 So I will never use a black list to determine spam.  So far I am still
 trying to get something bayesian that will work for me.  I have hopes
 for the new bayesian plug-in for TB.

Does anyone have any more information on this plugin? For instance,
a web page, who is working on it, if it's been released yet?

Thanks.



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Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

2003-07-21 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
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Hi Audiac,

@19-Jul-2003, 19:31 +0200 (18:31 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [A] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 So I will never use a black list to determine spam.  So far I am
 still trying to get something bayesian that will work for me.  I
 have hopes for the new bayesian plug-in for TB.

A Does anyone have any more information on this plugin? For
A instance, a web page, who is working on it, if it's been released
A yet?

Right now all is unofficial since it is built for TB 1.63, which is
currently deep in beta testing. Only 1.63 has plug-in support for
spam processing.

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Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

2003-07-17 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Bill,

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:14:54 -0400 GMT (17/07/03, 11:14 +0700 GMT),
Bill McCarthy wrote:

 I have a question to those who have their own address in their AB:

 What is the reason?

 For both BCCing and test mails to myself.  I don't like auto complete
 turned on.  It's much easier to simply type 'me'.

I see. Different folks... I was just curious. Thanks.

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Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

2003-07-16 Thread Dave Kennedy
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 4:07:53 PM, WL wrote:
W Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 2:28:47 PM, Dave Kennedy wrote:
DK I've got the Known filter first. Sometimes people I want to
DK get e-mail from will send a note that has spam-like material
DK in it.

W ...but that defeats the purpose of training material. Within
W popfile, one can create magnets to force a classification,
W or just let popfile work its mathemagic and train the email
W detection.

I use magnets lightly, but maintaining magnets is a hassle when
I've already got those folks in my AB.

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