Re: Strange error message when sending
On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:53:11 +0200, Gerd Ewald wrote: GE I know what you mean: the last few days I receive replies before the GE original msg is transmitted ! Sometimes I have to wait two days for GE the original message. GE Is it only me having that problem or is it a ML-server problem ? Having no such problems here. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "An error? Impossible! My modem is error correcting. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL(found the mistake)
On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:13:45 -0300, starc wrote: s I had this rule all the time and it didn't work. But now I know why s :) The problem is, this was my second filter rule and now I took a s closer look, and there is an option that says "continue processing s with other rules" that has to be checked, and it wasn't(a bad default s in my opinion). So the processing stopped after my first rule. I just s checked that box now, and hopefully it should work. H. I have 25 incoming message filter rules, all working nicely and not one of them has that option checked. In fact, I've never enabled this 'continue processing with other rules' option since using TB!. Never had to and I have filter rules for all categories in use, ie, replied, read and outgoing filter rules. Be sure to tell us if this option solves the problem. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Never enter a battle of wits unarmed. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Moderator's Announcement
On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:13:52 +0400, Assad Toorab wrote: AT Congratulation Curtis! It was a sound decision to add a AT supplementary moderator and it is an even better decision that AT Curtis has been assigned this responsibility. AT Why did my message appeared so many times? I did not post so many AT of them! I only saw two copies one sent to TBUDL and the other to TBBETA. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Separate Address Book or Group within AB for Mail Distrtibution List?
On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:20:41 -0400, JM14 wrote: J Is there any advantage/disadvantage to: J (1) creating a separate Address Book -- or Directory as it J sometimes appears to be called -- for a newsletter distribution J list, or J (2)creating a Group within the main Address Book for said list? J The list currently has a few dozen entries, will soon grow to J 1,000 or more, and may eventually reach several times that J number. I can't think of any particular advantage to creating a separate address book since TB!'s 'separate' address books aren't really 'separate' in the true sense. The different address books are accessible through all accounts. You may as well create a group unless you wish to organize things another way and relegate the list addresses to a new address book. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: dial up weirdness
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:22:36 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: RG When I connect to the Internet via The Bat to just pick-up my mail RG I notice the dialer box doesn't go away after connecting. I mean, RG it does but the box for it is still at the bottom of the screen and RG I have to manually close it after I have connected to the server... RG Is there anyway to get rid of it via configuration? TF In the main menu, choose Options / Show dial-up monitor / TF Automatically. Unfortunately this doesn't cure the problem because I still have to be closing the window manually once it pops up automatically. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "43% of all statistics are worthless. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Loosing [Network Administration] menu item
On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 23:03:11 +0200, Mihailo Krstiæ wrote: MK Occasionally, on my single Win 98 Pentium PC I loose [Options | MK Network Administration] menu item (and a lot of other). I've MK noticed that with the 1.44 version. The same repeats with version MK 1.45. MK I've noticed that some missing menu items are still available via MK hot keys (example: Ctrl+Shift+S for Sorting office still works). Try hitting SHIFTCTRLALT/. This toggles menu modes from the full menu items to abbreviated menus where many of the configuration options are removed, snip -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Beware of Geeks bearing gifs. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: dial up weirdness
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 02:11:35 -0400, Alan Cummings wrote: TF In the main menu, choose Options / Show dial-up monitor / TF Automatically. Unfortunately this doesn't cure the problem because I still have to be closing the window manually once it pops up automatically. AC Mine is the same way, but i'm *very* sure that it did go away prior AC to version 1.45. Personally, I've never seen it go away automatically once it appears. I've always had to hide it manually. The only difference is that in previous versions, if you disconnected while the dial-up monitor was displayed but disconnected using windows dial-up rather than TB!'s dial-up monitor abort button, then the only way to get rid of the dial-up monitor would be to shut down TB!. That problem has since disappeared a version or two back. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "This is a job for.. AACK! WAAUGHHH!! ...someone else. - Calvin " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: dial up weirdness
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:54:34 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF In the main menu, choose Options / Show dial-up monitor / TF Automatically. ACM Unfortunately this doesn't cure the problem because I still have ACM to be closing the window manually once it pops up automatically. TF When do you wish to close it? It closes automatically when it's TF finished. If you don't want to see it, just choose "hide" instead of TF "auto". I TB! initiates the connection for me, i.e., when I try to send or receive mail without a connection already established, the dial-up monitor appears. When the connection is established, I have to hide the monitor. In fact, the monitor never really disappears until I manually hide it, even if I were to disconnect. (Although, come to think of it, I've never disconnected with it, but usually abort, when a connection is being attempted and I didn't really wish for it to happen). -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "In /dev/null no one can hear you scream... " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: dial up weirdness
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:13:19 -0700, Rick Gordon wrote: RG That doesn't cure the problem. On my end there are not one but two RG (2) dial-up monitors (one real and one fake) created by The Bat when RG I dial in. The first shows up and makes the connection (and I like RG to watch it do so hehehe). The second one shows up in the bar at the RG bottom of the screen -after- the connection is made!!! I click on RG it, then hit close and all is well since I am already connected... I RG just want to know how to get rid of this second, fake dial-up box... I think that this 'fake' dial-up box is the minimised first box that you like to look at while connecting. This I have to manually close as well, mainly because it takes up precious taskbar real estate. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N) " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:56:29 +0100, Jamie Dainton wrote: JD -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- JD Hash: SHA1 JD Hello starc, JD Friday, June 30, 2000, 11:49:22, you wrote: s And it doesn't tell you s that two strings mean that both have to be satisfied. JD It's an annoying problem It's because the two strings are linked via a JD AND operator. I version 2 if we don't get filter scripting we should at JD least get NOT OR NAND NOR and XOR operators. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Be nice to other people, they outnumber you 5.5 billion to 1. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How can I filter the messages from TBUDL
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:56:29 +0100, Jamie Dainton wrote: Oops. I hit CTRL+Enter twice accidentally. Sorry for the empty reply. :-) s And it doesn't tell you s that two strings mean that both have to be satisfied. JD It's an annoying problem It's because the two strings are linked via JD a AND operator. I version 2 if we don't get filter scripting we JD should at least get NOT OR NAND NOR and XOR operators. You can create all those operators using what's there. With the 'AND" and 'Alternative' filter strings. For each filter string you may define it whether to filter if the string is present or if it's not present through the 'presence' option. It seemed pretty clear to me once I scanned the help. There are however some other aspects of the filtering which is far from clear and is undocumented, mainly the flexibility one has with using the filter sets.. :-( -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "C++ should have been called D " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: dial up weirdness
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:12:06 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: ACM I think that this 'fake' dial-up box is the minimised first box that you ACM like to look at while connecting. This I have to manually close as well, ACM mainly because it takes up precious taskbar real estate. TF The one in the taskbar (it's a copy, like every open programme has its TF equivalent in the taks bar) disappears when the the mail has been TF checked and the monitor closes. I never have to close the monitor. I assume that's because TB! closes your connection as well? I've never allowed TB! to close my connection of close the connection manually using the dial-up monitor. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Blessed are the censors; they shall inhibit the earth. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: why do u discriminate me just cuz Im new to this list?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:26:42 +0700, tracer wrote: t I have about 439 msgs I havent read yet but if this is about The bat t and newsreaders, its likely a horse skinned, burried and dug up as t prehistoric sample. :-) As long standing members of this list we will have to deal with rehashes of issues as these, small ones though hopefully, for the sake of the new comers who have an interest in this issue. Tracer does make a point that this topic has been extensively discussed on more than one occasion previously. Looking this up in the TBUDL/TBBETA archives would be helpful to those interested enough. t I am absolutely not interested at present in the bat doing any t newsreading in v2, I much prefer to get a v2 sooner which does mail, t after which they can play with news. I personally tend to agree here. Ritlabs is small. If they lose focus it could be a bad move on their part. Supporting news reading may prove to be distracting because once it's supported the userbase will start requesting news-reader features/enhancements. This may very well slow down the development/enhancement of TB! as a premiere specialist e-mail client. t Also its likely more a beta subject... I tend to disagree here. TBUDL subscribers should be free to discuss issues as this when the occasion arises, although prolonged discussions are discouraged. - -- - -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail. " -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.3 Comment: Included for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOZgtBvAXeSHuB5k3EQLOKgCdEbYCWoks4jNd2un0zU3iJp8xhIIAoJN7 KMISLQ+qOSPDVioZwUVV1Np4 =iyAj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to make the bat work like newsreader?
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:32:40 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: s 2. I want messages that are not from TBUDL to be downloaded directly s to their specific folders, so only the messages from TBUDL are kept s on the server for browsing. MDP This doesn't sound possible with TB. Hmmm. The selective download feature in the sorting office filters seems to be able to do this. A filter could be setup and the advanced option to 'ignore' the messages matching the filter string used. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Oxymoron: Soviet Life. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Quotestyle
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:56:08 +0400, Assad Toorab wrote: AT Since I learnt about the quotestyle macro, I have been having fun AT with it. AT This morning, however, I encountered a problem using the macro. It AT seems that %quotestyle="N" does not work! I wonder why it does not AT work with the alphabet "N". I tested it and it works here just fine. Just remember that the %quotestyle macro must occur before the %quotes macro in your templates. If it is placed *after* the %quotes macro in the templates, it will not work. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Useless Invention: Lie detectors for politicians. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Quotestyle
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:21:27 +0400, Assad Toorab wrote: AT Actually, I want to use the quotestyle macro to insert the alphabet AT 'N' infront of '' in my reply. Using %quotestyle="N" is not doing AT the trick :( AT It is only inserting the full name of the sender of the original AT message infront of '' as per in the Help documentation. Oops. Ignore my reply then. You said it wasn't working which is quite different from what is happening to you. It *is* actually working as it should. :-/ -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to make the bat work like newsreader?
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:33:27 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: ACM Hmmm. The selective download feature in the sorting office filters ACM seems to be able to do this. A filter could be setup and the ACM advanced option to 'ignore' the messages matching the filter ACM string used. MDP Don't the messages that are left on the server disappear from view MDP next time in thus spoiling the browse effect? I'm asking here - I MDP don't know - I never leave messages on the server because mine is MDP on the LAN and the messages have already been downloaded. You can easily access and download the ignored messages by using the mail dispatcher, setting it to display all messages on the server. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "One man's error is another man's data. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:03:47 +0200, Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote: JAL BTW, if Curtis is "stupid" enough to read this :) Sure right! JAL , I should like to take the opportunity to congratulate him as a JAL moderator. Thanks.:-) -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Kids-They're not sleeping, they're recharging! " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: mono type fonts
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:34:39 +0200, Johannes M. Posel wrote: JMP I've got a question. Why does TB always display the wrong font size JMP in the sending editor?! When I preview or read a mail, it's fine at JMP 12 pitch, but when i write a new message, forward or redirect (in JMP fact every time I am in the compose part of the editor) it swaps to JMP 18 pitch?!! JMP What did I do wrong? :( Does it simply swaps font size or is the font itself changed? Not all fonts support all the charsets. TB! tends to use the same charset in replies as the sender uses. This is in order to maintain the character support of the sender. If your default font doesn't support the senders charset, then TB! will automatically switch to one that does upon replying. The font will therefore change. Since fonts appear different sizes at the same 'pitch', it may look as if the 'pitch' has been changed. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Oxymoron: Military Intelligence " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:01:55 +0200, Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote: JAL My original reply template looked like this: snip JAL %Quotes JAL %Cursor snip JAL I changed it to look like this: snip JAL %Quotes snip JAL As you will see, the only difference between the two is that I have JAL removed the %Cursor-macro in the latter -and you know what? The JAL problem is gone. Completely. Hmmm. I can't reproduce your problem either, the only difference with me is that I my %cursor macro precedes the %quotes macro. Makes me wonder if where the %cursor macro is placed is what creates the problem, rather than whether or not you use the %cursor macro at all. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "For exercise, men can walk. Women talk. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Memo Field - Ideas for better implementation.
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:48:56 -0500, Chuck Mattsen wrote: CM Indeed, and I have done this, but I found myself wanting quicker CM access to the info contained in the memo ... that's why I found your CM suggestion of having it automatically pop-up as an on-top window so CM appealing. When I see that something has a memo, I resent that extra CM step of having to dig for it. Yeah, especially when it doesn't work with the folder view window. The folder view windows tend to be neglected. Features seem to be tested with the preview pane only. If I turn off the message autoview, viewing and creating memos is broken. I cannot view memos from the folder view window in that hitting CTRLSHIFTI annoyingly brings the main TB! window in focus with a broken, open, memo window that will not show anything or create any memos. :-( Also, since it's implementation, colour groups have not work properly with folder view windows. When new messages are added to the folder, the coloured messages change to the default colours. I have to close and reopen the folder to get the colour coding back to what it should be. For the ticker virtual folder, there's no colour coding at all! CM I'm trying to remember ... I think Pegasus had a similar thing to CM the memo, calling it an "annotation" ... there, though, it was CM signified by a "dot" next to the message and if I remember correctly CM the annotation would pop up as a separate memo window with a key CM combination ... closer to what I'd like, but not quite. SHIFTCTRLI for TB!? It acts as a toggle switch for the memo window. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "1200 bps used to seem so fast " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How can I skip the CC field when using tab from the TO: field?
On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:09:39 -0700, Gold Gaurami wrote: AG What I'd really like to be ablt to do is have the cursor start on AG the subject line for mailing list folders, like this one, with the AG To: field already filled in. I got the TO: field part with a macro AG but the cursor still starts on the TO: line, and I never CC anyone AG when I reply or post to a list. GG Perhaps you'd be happier disabling CC: view, only re-enabling it GG when you have a specific use for it? That is potentially dangerous especially for those who use the %To macro at the folder level. Messages may be inadvertently CC'd to an additional address. It's good practice to have both fields in view and check them prior to each mail send. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Procrastination means never having to say you're sorry. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How can I skip the CC field when using tab from the TO: field?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:28:55 -0700, Aaron Gravvat wrote: GG Perhaps you'd be happier disabling CC: view, only re-enabling it GG when you have a specific use for it? AG Great! Figured that out finally. Now, is there any way to get the AG cursor to start on the subject line for folders where the To: is AG always going to be the same? No. There was a heated discussion about a point similar to this, deep in TBUDL history, the contention being that the cursor should placed exactly where the user defines it in the templates, instead of appearing in the To: field when composing new messages. There was one camp who felt it was logical that the cursor be initially placed in the To: field since mail is composed in an orderly manner with the user filling out the header info in a stepwise fashion and then finally typing the message. When presented with an argument as yours, the refute was that the application should not assume that you've filled in all the To: header information and that the user may have the desire to add additional addresses. The other school thought this was a baloney argument and that the cursor should be placed where the user specifies. Afterall, it's the user who's in charge right? I'm of the latter school. BTW. :-) The counter to this argument was that, yes, the cursor is placed where you want it to after you've dealt with the headers in a logical orderly fashion. :-) Anyway, the whole discussion which culminated in an argument got us nowhere. We're still at this juncture today. - -- - -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "With friends like these, who needs to hallucinate? " -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.3 Comment: Included for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOZ5qtfAXeSHuB5k3EQLMEwCgglbmLTa3KUxi8SfvnbTEuok7wXAAoPZV R5yPF4ckYmoAIxohPpfNJyrP =Dq2y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: read messages filter
On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:42:25 -0400, Alan Cummings wrote: AC I'm trying to create a filter that will set a messages colour group to AC a specified colour if it is older than 4 days old. AC I created a filter under "Read Messages" and select for the rule to AC be manual only. Under "Actions" i selected 'Set message colour group AC to' and chose my colour group, then under "Advanced" i selected AC 'Message is older than' and entered 4. I also entered a hotkey AC shortcut under "Options". Under the hotkey defining dialog there is another option labelled ' Check the selected message against this rule'. This option toggles whether or not a string match is carried out during application of the filter rule. If enabled, the rule will check for a string match and apply the filter. A side effect of this is that the message will also be moved to the destination folder specified. Unchecking the option will prevent a string match and the filter actions will be applied to all messages selected. AC The problem I'm having is that every message i run this filter on AC gets highlighted by the chosen colour group, whether or not it meets AC the criteria or not, any ideas on what i am doing wrong? My guess is that you have 'Check the selected message against this rule' disabled. You need to enabled it. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Help endangered species - adopt a KGB operative. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editor and address book
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:14:50 +0400, Drunin wrote: D replying to the person, I decided to modify this person' reply D template. I was not able to do this through the address book icon on D the right of the To field. Is it supposed to be used only for adding D message recipients from the address book and not for editing address D book entries? That's right. D If so, I think that possibility to access address book entry of the D recipient of the message being edited would be a nice feature. I guess. shrug :-) I've never personally felt a need for it. D Another question. Supposing I have a message under cursor, what is D the most simple way to lookup sender' address book entry, if any? I D don't want to launch address book and search in it. Use the address auto-view. Hit SHIFTCTRLO or go to View | Address Autoview. D It also would be nice to pop up AB entry upon address book "Add D sender"/"Delete sender's entry" operations in Special menu. That would have to be optional. I'd go nuts with the address book popping up each time I added an address in that fashion. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "C:\DOS C:\DOS\RUN RUN\DOS\RUN " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:13:55 -0700, Ming-Li wrote: ML What it doesn't make sense to me is if I put %cursor before %quote, ML it should mean I want my cursor to be positioned in front of the ML quotes. But it doesn't. TB always put my cursor after (below) the ML quoted text. This never happens to me. I have %cursor before %quote in all my templates and the cursor is always positioned in front of the quotes. In fact when I manipulate the cursor position via the macro, it is placed exactly as expected. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Ambition is the last refuge of the failure. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:13:17 +0200, Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote: JAL You are pretty good at wondering Curtis :) :-) I realised that the only difference between your setup without the %cursor macro and my setup with the %cursor macro is that my cursor is placed after the introduction and before the quotation. Since I didn't have any problems I assumed that it may be the insertion of the cursor *after* the quotation may be the problem. JAL Bingo!...why? So my assumption was right. :-) I'm not sure why and I think that this may be related to that bug also where deleting blocks of text in the editor may lead to loss of the vertical scroll-bar. The plot thickens, now that I've tried reproducing your problem and can't. :-/ -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "RamDisk is *not* an installation procedure. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Template question -- replies
On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 20:17:16 -0700, Bubba wrote: JF Hello Katsmeow, JFtry this: JF%TO=""%TO="%OFROMADDR" B Where do you insert this macro within the reply template? At the end, so that it doesn't interfere with the formatting of your other template components. As a general rule, place all macros which don't insert information in the message body at the end of the message. One notable exception is the %quotestyle macro which should precede the %quotes template. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "((HYPNOTIC(((TAG LINE " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Use of Quick Templates?
On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:47:17 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote: NA Under Options/Quick Templates, I have created a new Template, aptly named NA "PGP", but I don't understand how I can access that QT via the Macro NA entries in my Reply Template. I see no Macro called %QINCLUDE, and if I NA choose "Insert QT", I am asked to select which folder the QT template is NA located, and it seem it has to be in a text format. %QINCLUDE is one of those macros that aren't listed among the macros in the template editor menus. It's however in the help file: QINCLUDE=Quick Template Handle - insert the text generated by the Quick Template with To use your quick template in the reply template use the macro %QINCLUDE="PGP". -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "It is better to be brief than boring. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Duplicate messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, My apologies for the duplicate messages coming in. I was having problems with my messages not reaching the list and after almost a full day of waiting asked Marck to post them for me. Looks as if they are finally coming through now. :-/ - -- - -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Read what I mean, not what I write. " -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.3 Comment: Included for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOZ9RhfAXeSHuB5k3EQK/WgCcCUFYc46lpeJ07WhUsQXa6LV/uPwAoOjF GoPxybuALcHKgz+nXlCKtoUo =VpjR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Reply Template
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:49:11 -0500, Dean wrote: D I have tried "several variations" and as you can see [2] is still D present. Here is a part of what I have for the Reply Macro: D %OSUBJ %SINGLERE D Hello %OFromFName, D %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote: D Any hints as to where it is I'm going wrong? Hmmm. What's with the %OSUBJ macro. I usually place the %SINGLERE macro at the end of the template. I have a feeling that the %OSUBJ macro may be the problem. Try placing the %SINGLERE macro before %OSUBJ. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "My other computer is a HAL 9000. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Test Message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, This is just a test message. Please ignore. - -- - -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "On a radiator repair shop: Best place to take a leak. " -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.3 Comment: Included for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOaJQNvAXeSHuB5k3EQKZYwCgqpSVz6VY98qvE+h6IRiI4rLMGoUAnj76 JVJPZ04UnuLOpXmFuA4ZvscA =3YL9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange things when replying
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:32:51 +0200, Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote: snip JAL The View menu in the Message Editor has an option that reads: JAL "Store window position". I have never cared about this one...until JAL now, because I always run the editor maximized, and therefore, it JAL shouldn't be necessary for me to check it. If I understand this JAL correctly, the purpose of having this option checked is to have TB! JAL to open the editor window in the same position of the screen if JAL you're _not_ running it maximized. That's correct. If unchecked the editor windows are serially opened in a cascading type fashion. JAL After checking this option, my beloved TB! is back to normal JAL behavior again !? I can place %Cursor after %Quotes in my reply JAL templates without any annoying side effects whatsoever. No loss of JAL text. No loss of scroll bars. g This is most likely why I couldn't reproduce your problem. I keep that option checked at all times. JAL Does the "Store window position"-option _has_ to be checked JAL irrespective of whether you run the editor maximized or not? Well, you've found another reason to keep it checked. g -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "$$$ not found -- (A)bort (R)efinance (B)ankrupt " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How can I skip the CC field when using tab from the TO: field?
On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 20:38:42 -0700, Gold Gaurami wrote: ACM That is potentially dangerous especially for those who use the %To ACM macro at the folder level. Messages may be inadvertently CC'd to an ACM additional address. It's good practice to have both fields in view and ACM check them prior to each mail send. GG Oh? I can't understand how this would happen. Under which GG circumstances would it occur? Quite a few users use the %To macro in their new message templates for discussion list folders. If you double click on a mail to URL to send a message, it will be addressed to both the template defined address as well as the mailto address. Now that I've checked myself, I see that both addresses are placed in the To: field. If you use the CC macro anywhere, you may forget it's presence and inadvertently CC a message to someone. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "I had a life once... now I have a computer and a modem. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to forward/redirect (multiple) email messages as attachment
On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:01:58 +0200, Hans Harder wrote: HH I would like to redirect (multiple) email messages to another HH address HH When I try to do this I get a popup asking me: HH - to open a seperate message window HH - address all the messages to the underneath adresses HH If I select option 1 all messages are pasted in the message body, HH however I would like to have the selected messages as attachement HH Is it possible, perhaps I overlooked something ? I think what you wish to do is to forward the messages as MIME attachments. In your account properties, go to the templates section and open the forward template editor. Enable the option "Use MIME standard for forwarding." For the messages you wish to 'redirect', select them and hit the forward button. All the messages will be attached and the first of the selected messages body may also be quoted because of the forward template. You may delete the quote and insert your comments as you like. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "I'm a nobody, nobody is perfect, therefore I'm perfect. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to avoid the popup alert ...
On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:38:22 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: C ... when opening an attachement ?! (Vs 1.46b3) TF You need to hack the registry; the developers are of the opinion TF that is better than a dialogue in the software's GUI. Actually the last, perhaps unofficial statement on this made by Stefan is that he agreed with the user dialogue approach but this required extra coding and he was, cough, 'feeling lazy'. :-) -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Radioactive cats have 18 half-lives. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SendAlliePGPKey
On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:06:52 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP Please correct your TBUDL template. This is a common error when MDP using a folder template and the %TO macro. It is often better to MDP use address book templates instead of folder templates and, where MDP using %TO macros, make sure that you use %TO=""%TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" MDP syntax to ensure a single, correct entry. I didn't get caught this time around. My filter rejected the message as it should have. :-) -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Stupid is a boundless concept. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Hi!!!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:04:55 -0300, Viktor Mota wrote: VM I'm talking from Brazil, and I'm new on this list, hope help and be VM helped too. See you soon. A warm welcome Viktor. You will indeed find this group to be helpful and look forward to your participation. VM Sincerly, this is the BEST e-mail program that I ever seen. Same here and I keep checking the others available. :-) - -- - -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. " -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.3 Comment: Included for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOaQhJPAXeSHuB5k3EQICxgCg/en743RtRqI/NxNSar9bWxm1VLEAoJ4T Y/K2N3ZfJEQkkqGbCMgLNZqK =b3EW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Limits?
On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:13:39 -0700, Wayne Black wrote: WB I am new to this list and am getting some getting some very good WB information from everyone. That's good to hear and welcome. :-) WB I just wanted to know if The Bat has been tested with a very large WB number of messages in it's folders. Depends on what you call a large number. If you mean 5-10 thousand messages ... yes. I personally have folders with message bases containing up to 10,000 messages. They work OK, with no loss of data so far. I've been using the same installation since initially using TB! since March 1999. I haven't had to restore from a backup. WB Does it have a limit to the number of messages in a folder or the WB number of entries in the address book? As far as I know, there's no limitation on the number of messages one can store in a folder or the number of entries one can keep in the address book. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "If your attack is going well, then it's an ambush.. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Limits?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:37:34 +0900, Leif Gregory wrote: LG He must have gone long word then, because at one point I had 70,000+ a LG few years back (before I started archiving them off every once in a LG while). Is that for a single folder (which is the limit Jaimie is referring to I think)? -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Remember, Subaru spelled backwards is U-R-A-BUS. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Extra lines in header
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:36:09 +0400, pavel wrote: p Is it possible to add extra lines to the mail header? And how can I p do so? I see that you're using version 1.44 and, AFAIK, the answer to that is no. This is the same as well for the latest release, version 1.45. The latest beta does support this via the %Comments macro. For further information and beta discussions you'd have to join our beta list. There's also another little app built for The Bat! called X-Ray, which you could use to insert additional header lines. See: http://xraysoft.cjb.net/ -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "As they say in Beirut, Shiite happens. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: add-ons for TB?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:13:00 +0200, Daniel Friedmann wrote: There's also another little app built for The Bat! called X-Ray, which you could use to insert additional header lines. See: http://xraysoft.cjb.net/ DF Are there more than this add-on available for TB? It's not really an add-on in the sense of a plug-in. It's an independent application but created with specifically TB! in mind. I don't know of any other complimentary apps for TB!. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Any philosophy that can be put in a nutshell belongs there " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Fwd: Re: TheBat and Spam
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:01:33 +1000, John Phillips wrote: JP For the computer challenged amongst us (present company excepted of JP course g), can you post a copy of these filters? Thanks. Kind of an impractical request but let me see if my illustration will make you better understand. For one to understand and implement this method, it needs to be realised that when a message is filtered, it isn't subject to subsequent filtering by filter rules that are after the rule which matched the message (unless you enable the 'continue processing with other filters' switch). This is how my filtering looks schematically: - PGPKey request filter - Discussion list filters here. - Filter rules for messages from friends - Filter rules for messages from family - Filter rules for messages from news and other promo sites to which I have subscribed. All that's left to be filtered are messages addressed directly to me that are from individuals or groups for which I haven't created filters and messages being BCC'd to me. Let's continue with the filtering: - I now create a non-specific filter rule to match messages with 'To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the headers. By now, 98-99% of the messages left are spam. Last but not least: - I create a non-specific filter rule to match *any* message and move them to the spam folder. I use the filter string 'e' since the letter 'e' appears in all messages. One could simply make the filter delete the message but this may lead to an occasional legitimate message that has been BCC'd to you being lost. TB! however has per-folder settings to purge folders which is nice. I have my spam folder set to keep messages no longer than a week. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "SENILE.COM found: out of memory... " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Font offer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, For you guys out there who may be running high resolutions I have a font for you. I'm presently running at a 1600x1200 resolution using large fonts and at size 11, Lucida Sans Typ is great since it's nicely anti-aliased at this size. If you're using lower screen resolutions, you may have to use a prohibitively high font size to take advantage of anti-aliasing (font smoothing). The font looks pretty crappy to me when not smoothed but you may try it anyway if you like and make your own decision. :-) Note however, that although Lucida Sans Typ is a fixed width font it will not appear in the list of fixed width fonts. A registry hack works beautifully. "Simply" change the following value to Lucida Sans Typ after installing the font: HKCU/Software/RIT/The Bat/Editor/Font (For those who may not realize, you need to close TB! before doing this and then restart it afterwards). You may download the font here: http://www.geocities.com/acmartin.geo/lucida.zip - -- - -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Imagination is more important than knowledge - Einstein " -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.3 Comment: Included for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOaXQ+fAXeSHuB5k3EQLNxACfYon2qUnVF/6EUusDyez8UfYvc+wAnjGz d809KtPH2vYryenWy19Lfetw =iKLX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TagLines ....
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:08:32 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote: NA Is there a source for these taglines? A web page or something NA similar, or have people just cut and pasted the taglines from NA various sources. I know Allie has some really good ones, and I enjoy NA the variety he seems to display. NA Allie... Where did you get them from? :o) I was using Taglines before using TB!. I was using Forte' Agent for mail before TB!, and used an application called TartII http://dragon.acadiau.ca/~031233v/TaRT.html to periodically update my remote signature file. It came with about 3000 taglines. My base of taglines comprises a mixture obtained from this application and others that I acquired along the way, i.e., via leisurely internet searches. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "There is no vaccine against stupidity. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Restoring Deleted Messages
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:08:34 -0400, Gene Brown wrote: GB Sometimes I delete a message from a folder that I'd later like to GB restore. Once I find the message in Browse Deleted Files, I don't GB see an easy way to restore it to its original folder. What I do is GB move it to some other folder (like Inbox) then move it again to the GB folder it was originally deleted from. GB Does this make sense? And is there a better way to do this? Why not just drag and drop the message to it's original folder? -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Some days you're a bug, other days a windshield. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TagLines ....
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:23:29 -0600, Keith Russell wrote: KR In all my years with e-mail, taglines are something I've never KR gotten into, but this thread has finally motivated me to do so. LOL! Really? That's nice. KR I downloaded TaRT II and have been looking it over, but I'm not KR exactly sure how you're using it. Are you using it with TB simply to KR maintain the tagline file (or, for that matter, are you even using KR it any more?)? I'm not using it at present at all. It's not even installed on my system. I had to go find the link to the website to post it today. :-) KR Are there other features of the program that are useful? Not with TB!. All I'm using that's from the program is the great tagline base it has. There's a text file there with over 3000 taglines. I can't remember the name of the file. It uses a non-standard extension but it's a text file. There are not many files to the app so you can go through the likely ones. It may have been tag.trt or something so. Just convert the name to a .txt extension, and point TB!'s %Cookie macro to it. KR Do you know of any way to incorporate the specific-date feature into KR TB cookies? I'm not sure what you mean. If you simply mean inserting the date, TB! already does this with the %date macro. TB!'s template macros does everything this app does and more making it redundant and this is why I uninstalled it. I only scrapped it, taking the tagline file and modified it, deleting the taglines I disliked and adding ones I found elsewhere. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "STUPIDITY is NOT a HANDICAP! Park elsewhere! " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Gaping hole in NAI PGP
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:37:20 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP NAI have already posted PGP 6.5.7 and are waiting for the MDP completion of 6.5.8 (just hours away) before making the formal MDP announcement that the problem is toast. Anyway, the issue relates MDP to specific use of ADKs rather than being generically transparent - MDP the sender has to elect to use the ADKs for the addressee at MDP encryption time. I'm just going to upgrade and plough on MDP regardless. I don't think anyone's had time to doctor my keys in MDP the 36 hours the loophole's been public knowledge ;-). I got the impression that the hole is created with the key generation and that to eliminate the potential problem we'd have to upgrade as well as generate new keys. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Do not fear death so much but rather the inadequate life. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Folders within folders?
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:04:13 -0700, ztrader wrote: z How can I set up account folders within folders? I will have a large z number that I filter to, and would like to group them in categories. z Can one have just "headings" (that are not accounts in the folder z list) to place the folders under? Use CTRL+ALT dragging. Also to create a new folder as a subfolder of another, right click the proposed parent folder and select new folder. The created folder will be a subfolder. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "If at first you don't succeed, work for Microsoft. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TagLines ....
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:40:27 -0600, Keith Russell wrote: Not with TB!. All I'm using that's from the program is the great tagline base it has. There's a text file there with over 3000 taglines. KR 2143, actually. You must have added A LOT of taglines! Nah! I was just being inaccurate. ;-b It's a long time since I had TartII installed. Over a year. I can't remember the name of the file. It uses a non-standard extension but it's a text file. There are not many files to the app so you can go through the likely ones. It may have been tag.trt or something so. KR That's the one. I can't believe I remembered that one! KR It actually works just leaving the name as is, and pointing to KR tag.trt in the TaRTII directory. Ok. Come to think of it this should be the case. :-) KR No, it doesn't. That's not what meant, but I used the wrong term. KR They're really called SPECIAL date. What this feature allows you to do KR is specify a particular tagline that will ALWAYS be used on the KR specified date. For example, I could enter the URL for a Web page with KR April Fool's jokes and associate it with April 1, so any messages KR created on April 1 (and only on that date) will use that tag. KR I think TaRT does other things that TB doesn't do, but I haven't KR studied it that carefully yet. The Special Date feature did appeal to KR me, though. Aaaahhh! Again, I'm forgetting. I now remember this feature. I never used it. Just wasn't interested. TB!'s template macros does everything this app does KR Not quite 8-). I guess I should have phrased it, " TB!'s template macros does everything this app does that I was interested in. " :-) KR Yes, the first thing I did was start deleting taglines that are KR inappropriate for my personality. There are some good ones in there, KR though! I did the same. I had trimmed it down to just over 1000 tags and I then added others. KR Thanks for the suggestion. You're welcome. :-) -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Real men write self-modifying code. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Folders within folders?
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:36:34 -0700, ztrader wrote: ACM Use CTRL+ALT dragging. z I tried this and it doesn't seem to work. It does the same thing as z ALT drag. Will move folders up and down, but not make them subs. Really? I did it just now. Folder 1 Folder 2 I left click on folder 2 while holding down the CTRL and ALT keys, drag it to Folder 1, and voila: + Folder 1 (collapsed) - Folder 1 | (expanded) -- Folder 2 z Possible problem: I have defined the 'home' folders for all the z accounts to be different file folders in Win (to keep things z organized). Does everything have to be in the 'default' folder for this z to work? Not that I know of. None of my account mail folders are in their default locations. In fact my mail folders are on a separate partition from the TB! install directory. ACM Also to create a new folder as a subfolder of another, right click ACM the proposed parent folder and select new folder. The created ACM folder will be a subfolder. z I have many already defined, and would like to make them subs, but z I'll try that for new ones. Does this also require 'default' folders? No. z As an alternative, could one place several folders as subs of one z folder that is also a separate folder in Win? Example: set up an z account as 'misc' in TB, and have the home folder be 'misc', somewhere z in the Win directory tree. Then move several accounts under this z 'misc' Win dir/'misc' account. You can make the other accounts mail folders subdirectories of another mail accounts folder. Why would you wish to do this? Note: account folder - folder seen in TB! interface mail folder - folder containing an entire accounts mail and various config files. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Keyboard? How quaint! - Scotty " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Fwd: Re: TheBat and Spam
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:26:03 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: GB Oops, I think I see a trout being swung in my direction. MDP I have noticed that since the introduction of trouting the list has MDP become *so* much easier to moderate g. Is it the trouting or is it since the my appointment? ;-b The list had a bad spell and everyone's warming back up. In a few weeks we'll be needing a lot of trout. ;-b -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "A statement of fact cannot be insolent. - Orac " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Configuration Transfers
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:22:11 -0600, Keith Russell wrote: KR On the other hand, if I simply just copy over the three files I KR mentioned, is there a chance that there might be a conflict between KR their contents and the registry settings? I guess that might be a KR concern. There shouldn't be a problem here because you'd be doing what a lot of users do to move there installation to another machine, i.e., copy the mail account folder over to the other machine. Install TB! on the other machine, point the account configuration to the copied account folders location and the do a SHIFTCTRLALTL to create the directory structure. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "In the land of the witless, the halfwit is king. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Configuration Transfers - TB POOR
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:48:15 -0500, Gary wrote: G I had a similar situation. I am running VMWare guest with Windows in G a Linux (host) environment. I copied my TB! into the new Windows 98 G guest OS, from my W2K OS (on another HD), and then just copied all G the subdirectories with it. My entire TB! directory in other words G was copied to the new OS. I did nothing to the registry, nor did I G officially install TB! in the new OS. G Then to get the accounts to show up in TB!, press Shift+Ctrl+Alt+L to G recover lost folders and messages. I then set up TB! by each account G name that I had previously, and all the folders with email is G automatically there - just by putting the account names into the new G TB!. Works like a charm. Then just start TB!. All cookie files, G filters, and other attributes are intact into the new OS, as you had G them previously. If you're up to it, you could have exported the registry subkey for TB!, backed up the TB! directory and account directories. When the machine is hosed, simply restore the whole jebanks. It would be as if nothing had happened. I'm using the same installation through three clean OS installs and have never had the privilege of using SHIFTCTRLALTL to restore lost folders etc. :-) If you restore TB! to a new location, ie, partition/directory then you'll have to tailor the relevant registry entry paths to reflect this. If you're comfortable with TB!'s registry entries then this is a lot easier than re-configuring the new installation. If you're not up to dealing with the registry then SHIFTCTRLALTL it is followed by user interface reconfiguration. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Beware of Geeks bearing gifs. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Problem Importing from Unix Mailbox
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:33:14 -0700, Ming-Li wrote: When I look at the exported file, the body is there. In The Bat!, there is no body and no attachment. ML If I understand you correctly, the messages are listed on the ML message list but are without bodies, right? I didn't run into this ML when I tried to export some messages from Becky to TB, but I would ML suggest you to save those messages (in Becky) as .eml or .msg files ML (they're the same format with different extension names) and import ML them as such. It could be that the blank line between the kludges and the message body is not there and the message body is assumed to be a part of the kludges. If you toggle the message header display and see the message body then this is likely what has occurred. Opening the exported file in a text editor and inserting the blank line may be all that's needed. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "A library is an arsenal of liberty. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: RE checkbox in 'options'?
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:21:38 -0700, ztrader wrote: snip z An interface thought... If the RE box is checked, the 'rules' and z 'alternatives' tabs are replaced by a single RE tab. This might be z more clear and avoid confusion between the two. Also would give a z larger area for complex RE's to be seen and edited. You may still wish to filter using more than one regular expression so the 'AND' and 'Alternative' string support shouldn't be removed when RE's are being used. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Portable: survives system reboot. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Purge or Compress?
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:37:36 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote: NA Can someone explain how the command "Purge All Folders" differs from NA "Compress All Folders"? I know what compressing the Folders does, NA but not sure about the Purge command. Purging will delete the old messages as you define in your folder settings based on message age or folder message storage limitations. Purging is usually done automatically upon exiting TB! but if you're one who closes TB! once a month :-), then you will find the purge option useful. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "I'm an influential person, gravitationally speaking. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Purge or Compress?
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:57:57 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote: JA What I'm not sure about is which messages are removed when you have JA "Maximum number of messages" selected... The oldest messages are deleted first. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Never deprive someone of hope; it may be all they have. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: NAV2000 and TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:03:27 +0200, Vladimir Mincev wrote: VM Good to know how it was done! I hate monopolizing of big companies VM such as MicroSoft, Symantec... For example I *hate* that AtGuard was VM bought by Symantec. AtGuard was freeware, and now you must buy it as VM Norton Internet Security 2000 (NAV is implemented in it!). One more VM thing, it's size was 1.5 Mb, and now it is 43 Mb (NAV is 27 Mb + VM AtGurd is 1.5 Mb =lets say even 30 Mb, question: What happened with VM 13 Mb? Gone on make-up?). That is all for now... This is not one of VM the topics of this mailing list so I apologize to list moderators! No need to apologize, but lets make this the last post on AVP, OK? Use TBOT for any further discussions on this. - -- - -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Faith is good, but scepticism is better. - Giuseppe Verdi " -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBObJc9/AXeSHuB5k3EQJJfgCg6KHOTg0OyxC9CGkh7z/YDzSqFaEAoN2K TayeFVztC/i5TL3nBq9xdENg =RjeK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Tbot? (was: Re[2]: NAV2000 and TB!)
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:36:36 -0400, Marc Weinmann wrote: ACM No need to apologize, but lets make this the last post on AVP, OK? Use ACM TBOT for any further discussions on this. MW What is TBOT? Another mailing list? Got a link? It stands for The Bat! off Topic list. It was started by a member of this discussion list during the days when off-topic discussions were really common and the dead horse flag was getting the broken record status. g It has indeed helped a lot in this regard. If you wish to subscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Daddy, why doesn't this magnet pick up this floppy disk? " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Print
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 07:01:57 +0200, Stefano Zamprogno wrote: SZ This i my first message in this ML (since i'm a VERY new registered SZ user ;-). Welcome. :-) SZ I have a problem, i'm using The Bat on Windos 2000 Prof. SO, and the SZ problem is... i'm unable to print ANYTHING from The Bat :-( SZ If i click on the printer while i'm readind a message, nothing appens. SZ Any Idea ? Well, I'm pretty sure that this is not a Win2000 specific problem since I have no problems printing with TB!. I'm using an Epson Stylus Color Pro printer here. What type of printer are you using. TB! tends to have problems with some HP printers. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46/4 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Black Holes are Out of Sight " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Print
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 07:21:41 +0200, Stefano Zamprogno wrote: SZ Thanks for replay :-) I have an Epson Sylus Color 400 (i'm using SZ SC440 driver since there aren't Epson SC 400 drivers... If you're not having a problem with printing elsewhere in Win2k Pro then I suggest that you report this to Ritlabs. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46/4 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Progress is made on alternate Fridays. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Coloring Folders
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:27:50 -0400, Marc Weinmann wrote: MW Is there a way to set folder colors? No way via the TB! interface that I know of. Not even via the registry. You'd have to manually edit the glyphs with an image editor. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "I'm Not Schizophrenic, And Neither Am I. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Sharing between desktop and laptop
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:57:24 -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote: DTS SO I went to my office machine, Start/Run/Regedit and did the DTS export. Then I copied the file to my laptop and Start/Run/Regedit DTS and import. Selected the file and POW!!! i was told it wasnt are DTS real registry file. Imagine my surprise after so many said it was DTS so simple. Be sure that you're using the same registry editors in both Win98 and Win2k. I've had problems doing exports with regedt32.exe and trying to import using regedit.exe. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Self-made man: A horrible example of unskilled labor. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: why do u discriminate me just cuz Im new to this list?
On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:10:14 +0200, Dierk Haasis wrote: DH Who are you? Joe in another guise? Since this is the second time DH some *newbie* seems to know everything (incl. basic rules for this DH list) better than Steve - with whom I not always agree - I have to DH write something about it; you (no, not you Steve) are beginning to DH get on my nerves! Please desist from this sort of innuendo in relation to Starc. The last thing we wish for a rehash of the argument. Nuh? DH And now one for the topic: I use news groups and I use mailing DH lists. On the whole I do like the mailing list approach as it DH usually helps to deflect trolls. DH BTW, there is no logical right/wrong answer to your suggestions. DH There may be an empirical one, so for my part you and Joe open your DH own TB! news group (better still make it a BBS) and leave us real DH users alone. Starc only made a suggestion which admittedly lacked tact in certain aspects and enough has been said about it so please stop this now. A request was already made by Marck. The whole thing was borne of a misunderstanding of tone and feelings got peeked. There's no need to prolong this any further or invite Starc to start his own group. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Favorites
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:53:00 +0100, Jamie Dainton wrote: JL Now, having properly prepared the machine, I re-installed Win98 and JD ^^^ JL once again, the favorites arrow no longer works. If I click on the JL arrow, the arrow is depressed and remains so until I click on it JL again. At no time will the list of favorites drop down. Checking, JL un-checking and re-checking an address book entry makes no difference. JD Hmm that would mean that your registry keys for TB! were deleted JD unless you'd backed them up. When he uninstalls the upgrade, things are back to normal with TB!. :-/ Doesn't sound like registry key deletions if this is the case. JD The drop downs are stored in the registry. Therefore if you delete JD your favorites list it won't be able to drop down. Seems like a Win95 to 98 upgrade 'spook'. :-) -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey --- ** "Variables won't; constants aren't. " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Favorites
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 06:56:08 -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote: DTS The saddest part of this is that it is another example of why most DTS developers do not use the registry to store anything. Actually, my experience is quite the contrary. Most developers seem to use the registry to store stuff. :-) DTS The only 'problem' i have had since moving to TB has been the use DTS of the registry. I haven't had any problems in this regard. I, however, tend to be a lot cleaner than most with my movements and migrations. I avoid MS OS upgrades like the plague. The only time I'll tolerate the concept is if you do a clean install of one and then *immediately* do the upgrade without having installed anything else. I've done this for a couple buddies and their systems are fine and trouble free. DTS I have sent a couple of messages to the 'bug' email box but have DTS not received one reply. They are probably to busy adding a DTS newsviewer to fix/remove the registry concept. But The Bat!'s storing config data in the registry is not a bug. :-) DTS I almost went back to Eudora the other day .. but their newest beta DTS gave me reason to stay with TB until I find something better. G Eudora?!! Yuk. :-) ducking -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey --- ** "Useless Invention: Solar powered flashlight. " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Favorites
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:11:55 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: TB I've just installed Windows ME after using 98se. I ran this little TB utility from a sub folder of TB! and then saved the whole TB! folder TB as is to zip disc. I installed ME put TB back where it was, double TB clicked the .reg file and TB! is just as if it had never been moved. TB No recreation of accounts or folders or anything. There you go. ;-) I do a manual registry export. It doesn't take long at all. TB PS to Allie: Even my filters and address book remained intact this TB time. Good. :-) -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey --- ** "A man needs a good memory after he has lied. " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Re-Colouring a message when replying...
On Sat, 9 Sep 2000 16:27:45 +0100, Mark R Harding wrote: MRH Yes - that was what I wanted. Thank you. MRH An aside from this, the filter I set up to feed mail from the inbox MRH into this specific folder is supposed to change the colour-group of MRH the mail from default (i.e nothing) to another colour I refer to MRH as 'pending'. However, no colour-group change occurs. Hmmm. Strange. I do this quite heavily with incoming messages and it works fine. MRH Is there any known problem with the colour-group changing with MRH filters. The 'replied message' filter I just created works MRH perfectly. -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey --- ** "I'm not paranoid! Which of my enemies told you this? " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: NetscapeTB!folderdefault template
On Sat, 9 Sep 2000 15:42:12 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote: The mailto thing has never bothered me, but then I don't click on mailto links much. On the rare occasions that I do, if the wrong template pops up, I simply cancel and pick a folder whose template I want the message to use. JA You know, this hasn't been a problem for me. What I did was put all JA folders that have folder templates into a dummy account. My main JA account has "This account is default for Mailto: URLs" selected. JA This way I never have the problem referenced here. grin Nifty!! I did like Marck did and converted to strictly address book based templates. Things work just great for me. It's particularly good when you make alterations to your identity such as I do with mailing lists as well as to other specific recipients. Address book templates also allow you to use multiple templates while working from a single folder. I do, however, agree with Paula that using folder templates has it's advantages. It's best for the user to try both and decide which method works best for him/her. -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey --- ** "$$$ not found -- (A)bort (R)efinance (B)ankrupt " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Newbie questions
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 04:45:26 -0700, Ming-Li wrote: ML Oh, you may think TB hasn't "fully" implemented html mail viewing, ML judging by the fact that many graphics in html mail are not ML displayed. It's a matter of security and privacy concerns (have you ML read news reports about how spammer could use linked graphics to ML trace your online activities?). It's a developer's choice, and a ML fine choice it is, IMHO! (Graphics embedded in the mail are ML displayed just fine, as you should have known.) I have quite a few HTML messages here that were sent with the graphics included. They displayed beautifully. ML You may argue that TB should give users a choice to take the chance ML and go fetch linked graphics anyway. The counter arguments would be ML equally strong, however, if not stronger. For starters, enabling ML that choice could be a support nightmare for RIT, which has very ML limited human resources. Judging from the number of brave souls who ML continue to use Outlook despite all those security concerns, the ML potential of such nightmare is indeed very high. Second, as others ML have pointed out, launching your favorite browser to view the ML message is just one click away. Indeed. Well said. :-) ML HTML is an ever-evolving thing. Given the myriad of standards and ML proprietary-yet-popular extensions out there with which even ML dedicated (and much larger) browser developers (Opera software and ML such) have problems keeping up, TB's html viewing implementation has ML to stop somewhere. For me (and many Bat users, I believe), TB's ML current implementation is good enough. This is a very valid point. Netscape Mail and OE will fetch images via links in HTML messages via their browser partners rendering engines. Eudora, AFAIK, uses the rendering engine of IE (correct me if I'm wrong here). The problem with using IE as a rendering engine is that the user needs to have IE installed. ML Lastly, there is the issue of html mail editing/sending. Should TB ML try to be a html editor? I don't think so. Again, this is a matter ML of resource management. It's no small feat trying to incorporate a ML html editor. Given the fact that there are many such programs out ML there, I see no reason for RIT trying to be another also-run. With ML the newest MAPI support in beta, you can easily send html mail from ML your browser or MAPI-enabled editor, and that should be enough. The users accustomed to a monolithic approach may frown at this point though it's a very good one. By monolithic, I mean that the application, an e-mail client in this instance, is self contained and able to do most if not all things e-mail related. This is in contrast to the modular approach where specialised independent apps are used in conjunction with the e-mail client to produce a similar effect, though usually a more robust and user definable one. -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey --- ** "If you're not confused, you're not paying attention. " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Newbie questions
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:29:53 -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote: DTS I am glad that TB developers have been charged with saving me. Have DTS you ever heard of choice? Preference of 'do you want to get or not'. Yes, we all know about choice. The problem, however, is that for you to get the choice, the two or more choices have to be made available and therefore implemented. If the developers chose to implement one way because they lack the resources to implement both or have simply made a development path decision, then I'm glad they have chosen the secure implementation. DTS But at least I got all the replies I thought would happen G. I DTS always find it amazing how people get 'up' for this subject. Yes, many on this list are passionate in their views surrounding this particular issue. :-) -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey --- ** "Radioactive cats have 18 half-lives. " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: automatic customized reply templates?
On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:52:56 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: HDS so, have I just missed a way of doing this? (hoping HDS desperately...!) MDP Boy, have you! Templates may be defined individually for every folder MDP and for every recipient in the address book. I achieve the best MDP results (IMHO and for my purposes) by exclusively using Address Book MDP templates for groups of people (Family, Friends, Contacts, etc.) and MDP individuals since templates can be defined at all of these levels. snip I'd also like to add that there are two aspects about quick templates that you may not realize. For each quick template, you can define a handle-name (qt handle) and then to apply it to a message, instead of going through the menus, you may simply type qthandleCTRLSpaceBar. Additionally, instead of highlighting the old template, you may also use the %CLEAR macro in your quick template. What this will do is erase everything in the message body and then apply the quick template. So for example, I've personally defined a template for software tech support with the handle name 'ts'. Whenever I wish to send a message for tech support, I click on the browser mailto: link which will generate a message addressed to tech support. I then type in the message body 'tsCTRLSpaceBar' where the default template is completely erased and replaced with the tech support one automagically. :-) -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey --- ** "MACINTOSH - Most Apps Crash, If Not, Then Operating System Hangs " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Regular Expressions
On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:35:49 -0400, Arnie wrote: A A little while ago I posted a question regarding extracting text from A from a received message to be put into a reply. It seems that Regular A Expressions are the way to go. Can anybody recommend a good book or A site that goes into RE's in detail? The howto was helpful but I think A I need examples to fully grasp the concepts. I've been interested in learning regular expressions myself for some time and have battled with some applications help files, including TB!. All of them have one thing on common in that they all give a cursory overview and a *very* basic introduction which isn't particularly meaningful. I have a great book in my possession at present. The challenge for me is to find the time to read and *assimilate* it. :-) I read a couple chapters a few months back and they were totally clear. I highly recommend the book. It's called 'Mastering Regular Expressions', published by O'Reilly. I got mine off Amazon. :-) Good luck in your pursuits. PS// Using regular expressions is like speaking a language. You won't get good at it unless you really use them. If you need to create only one then it may be better to ask one of our kind gurus on the list. OTOH, most RE experts claim that you'll find uses for RE's that you never imagined would be relevant to your situation and work, once you learn how to use them. -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey --- ** "Trust me, I'm a lawyer.. " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT: Regular Expressions
On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:48:02 -0500, Nick Danger wrote: ND Do you know any other applications, as an example, that you can use ND regular expressions with? I've never fell across them before TB! and ND was wondering if it's just a case of tunnel vision on my part. Like ND when I can't find the mustard in the fridge. ;-) vbg There's probably a little tunneling there. Most advanced text editors and specialist 'search and replace' tools support regular expressions. The two that I have installed here, ie, UltraEdit and NoteTab Pro both support regular expressions. My personal search and replace tool, BK ReplaceEM supports regular expressions. Microplanet Gravity, a popular newsreader also supports RE. I'm sure there are many others. :-) -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey --- ** "Kids-They're not sleeping, they're recharging! " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Filters and Adress Book.
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:58:35 +0200, Donatello wrote: D I'd like to ask you one question. How can I automatically forward or D redirect a message (using filters) to a _group_ of people without D listing all the addresses? For example - I want all messages with a D given subject to be forwarded to all my friends from a group in my D Address Book. But I don't want to have to remember to change the rule D every time I add new friend's address. Is it possible or can it be D added to next version of The Bat? Try using the address book groups handle name. If you add an entry to the group it will be reflected automatically in the filter since the message is sent to each address in the group. -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey --- ** "Ambition is the last refuge of the failure. " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Delete Attachments
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:09:50 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Some of these messages are HTML, which is shown as an attachment, as I TF have auto-view disabled. So I routinely right-click on the attachment TF and delete it. It disappears from the folder view. I'm unable to delete these HTML attachments at all. :-/ -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey --- ** "The buck doesn't even slow down here! " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:10:51 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Now, show me another client that handles multiple accounts, with template facilities like TB offers, as powerful a sorting office and the very useful ticker and its' virtual folder for reading all new mail. I don't believe there is one. SL PMMail. Of course it doesn't have templates (which aren't used most SL of the time), I use templates so heavily and they're so effective that I simply cannot do without them now. My mail management would change significantly. SL has better sorting and doesn't need the ticker as it has most SL features available from the tray. I call them comparable. :P cough PMMail as a straightforward multi-account e-mail system is comparable. Once you start moving to advanced features, PMMail in general becomes a shadow of TB!. I used PMMail for a longer time than I've been using TB!. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "A statement of fact cannot be insolent. - Orac " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcFYSvAXeSHuB5k3EQJmhwCgvepyskrL+1Smh5r0OlQt3HuznDsAn1i0 dXxWcdUAcrEsK0X4+X8yjz/k =E9Bn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Replying to your message dated Thursday, September 14, 2000, at 9:54 AM
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:02:57 -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote: snip SL On top of that 99% of the time it is completely annoying because SL it overrides how /I/ like to see my mail. I don't want to see it SL in someone else's preferences, I want to see it in mine. DTS I'm not sure what this means. Do you mean if i write a letter and DTS format it as i desire (using regular underline, bold etc) the When I view HTML mail, I see it with the background colour, image set by the sender and also the font and font-size set by the sender. The font is invariably too small for my preference. This is a very major negative for it's routine use for me. At least when I browse the net and read the webpages, the font sizes are decent and readable (as I set it to be). :-) Be that as it may, I have no problem with the occasional HTML message when appropriate and the occasion arises. It's the abuse that irks me. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Oxymoron: Sweet Pickle. " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcFZ6PAXeSHuB5k3EQL0NQCggub9z5qbdbW9mboC9WVKp5vK6ZAAoNkg xuiCz6repZPmI9AN5gZUbtFn =O5LC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Global Kill File Inquiry
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:58:26 -0400, Curtis Campbell wrote: CC Ok, since I am new here, and yes, I have looked at the help file, the CC FAQ, and somewhere along the line I must be missing the concept or CC something... CC What is the best way to set up a global kill file? One that I can add CC to once, and it kills globally accross all accounts? Is it possible? As far as I can tell, you cannot do this. Each account has it's own set of filters. But you have touched on a good point here in that it's very likely that one would want kill-filters to act globally. There's no easy way to copy single or multiple filter rules to other accounts as well. :-( However, it's a feature that has been requested. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Oxymoron: Whole Half. " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcFbovAXeSHuB5k3EQLn3wCgkkVXXu5hAQTuOxouQueA+5t2oZkAmwbR mgfLJlYWZJg07AA1QyIduv9O =uc18 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Registered user features?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:54:37 +0200, Östen Häggmark wrote: ÖH I have been trying the Bat for some weeks, and the decision to ÖH register the Bat was not a hard one to make. I never felt so at home ÖH with an email-client, even if it's going to take some time to learn ÖH to use it properly. The TBUDL-list is a very good way of doing that, ÖH I have found out. That's nice to hear. I hope you'll feel even better about this as time goes by. TB! is a great client with a lot of personality, ie, it's own quirks and unique style in certain respects. :-) ÖH But as I was looking into the "How to register" page I noticed the ÖH line "use features available only for registered users." I always thought the unregistered version was fully functional. Hmmm. Anyone know of the unregistered version of TB! being crippled in any way? - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Even in this corner of the galaxy, Captain, 2+2=4 ... Spock " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcFccPAXeSHuB5k3EQIFmgCfbSBtTFr1abzIC5LFq/T4iTpmPB0An3sD D7J+AyGMlgBdduF02RmleRDG =DThk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:02:43 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: cough PMMail as a straightforward multi-account e-mail system is comparable. Once you start moving to advanced features, PMMail in general becomes a shadow of TB!. I used PMMail for a longer time than I've been using TB!. :-) SL Aside from templates what does TB! really do better? You're asking me to put aside, perhaps, the single most significant reason why I use TB! over PMMail. I cannot just put it aside like that and continue the argument. :-) Oh, I got my hands on a pro version of PMMail and went through it's PGP implementation. It's different from TB!'s and it does some things better. TB! also does some things better with PGP as well. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Hell, if you understood everything I said, you'd be me! " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcFg9/AXeSHuB5k3EQJabgCeJxV5WE2rGpgxQvZgTKX/Q6c+J4UAnRt3 caX3vsrCCbLmzaiNqxzssr/4 =Fkrj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Message templates (again)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:43:37 +0200, Marcel wrote: M I've been following the discussion about the message templates and M off course I started to work on my own templates right away. M The option Marck told us was a great one. M Using templates for the e-mail addresses. M So I started to work on the reply messages, but whatever I tried to M do, every time I replied to a message, I got a blank screen, and none M of the templates where used. The message to which you are replying has to have a recipient address that corresponds with that of the address book entry for which you have defined the template. M I deleted the templates from the account, after that I deleted the M folder templates, so now I only have the template from the address M itself, but it still doesn't appear. M I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong. There's most likely an address mismatch in that the address defined the To: field is not the same as that defined in the address book entry for which you have created templates. M Does The Bat use a specific order to use the template, Yes it does. It will use address book entry specific templates in preference to address book group based templates. Address book templates are always used in preference to folder templates. If there's still no match, then the default template is used. M First look if there is a template in the address, if there isn't then M look for a template in the folder and last but not least get the M template from the account. Exactly! :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Xerox never comes up with anything original anymore. " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcFelfAXeSHuB5k3EQJFZACfapE4RfnmrSFokpbDWylfA/Nh4QcAoP6r G4jjEtVwGOGWyXWNo7zrhTbZ =hUjg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PGP7 and The Bat!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:17:19 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip DTS Isn't going to happen. AND if you want TB to be successful zwd TB is not targeted to the mass market. Is this official or assumed based on some of the functionality TB! has? Is there something I haven't heard or read? - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Some days you're a bug, other days a windshield. " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcH3rfAXeSHuB5k3EQKQ9QCfYcPnsRQvheVLOR6k07xkOycvZz4AoMcH ePTe01RCiOqgcYuf4A35C1Y4 =ufhD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: GIF
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:43:10 +0200, Stefano Zamprogno wrote: SZ Can I post an animated GIF of a... BAT ? (about 20k) Because of the potential for abuse, we ask that attachments not be posted to this list. Upload it elsewhere and offer a URL.If you don't have this facility, please send it to me and I'll do it for you. :-) PS// I see that Thomas has offered a workable solution for you. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcH6xPAXeSHuB5k3EQKe/QCg1Q53b+juZOhUSGIZhOqXYOuNX48AoIul MdauqTzrE90xF1o8N6hkxrj0 =DMO7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PGP7 and The Bat!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 05:19:25 -0500, A . Curtis Martin wrote: ACM On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:17:19 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ACM snip DTS Isn't going to happen. AND if you want TB to be successful zwd TB is not targeted to the mass market. ACM Is this official or assumed based on some of the functionality TB! has? ACM Is there something I haven't heard or read? Drat's. Please ignore this unintended message reply. Sorry about that. Back to using the ticker. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Do fish get thirsty? " Using TB! v1.46 Beta/5 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcIATvAXeSHuB5k3EQIZqACeNjSOsUOtmvjDXxiL9YOLpQYhCXAAoMAP K9Juh9jisGkMzl+dM2QOAxue =5q5U -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:12:13 +0100, John Hinson wrote: JH It seems to me you can do all this at the click of a button or key combination JH 1. Collect for an individual account JH 2. Send for an individual account JH 3. Collect/send for an individual account JH 4. Collect for all accounts JH 5. Send for all accounts JH but not JH 6. Collect/send for all accounts. JH Obviously different people have different uses of the software, but for JH myself I will write a lot of my mail off-line, then dial up and send them JH and download new stuff. Doubtless I could get used to it, but getting to JH the right command in the menu or button systems seems unnecessarily JH difficult. Something that may be addressed in the next version. For most of those options there's a shortcut key defined and there's also the system hotkey's which may be configured via the 'Options' - 'Define system hotkeys' menu item. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "I used to have a handle on life, then it broke. " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcK88/AXeSHuB5k3EQJvfACg0g/GEQKkFlWNmIIAGavO/xIE+E0AoNIN tjlAu4SX91Jt5tmq3gzPzSB3 =6Qvy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Registered user features?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 19:17:23 +0200, Östen Häggmark wrote: ÖH That's very good. Still, the first thing that meets your eye in the ÖH "How to register" page under the Help menu is the line: ÖH "The registration gives you the right to use The Bat! after the 30-day ÖH trial period, receive technical support and use features available ÖH only for registered users." ÖH If there are no such features, maybe that last bit should be removed. Those pages were written primarily by a Russian and there could easily be errors in the wording of some statements. This is one example it would appear. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Artificial Intelligence usually beats real stupidity. " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcK9vfAXeSHuB5k3EQLLigCfWkonMzcZly6Wd9MEjixVgsUGPqwAn3sA vjS/TxVH8DKQuBqYOVvIIc2R =TbKl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Reasons why html mail shouldn't be used
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:56:32 +0200, Luca wrote: L I'd like to use smaller fonts (possibly variable pitch ones, I'm used L to arial narrow) for column titles, particularly in the headers list L pane (from, subject, etc). Is that possible? L I just tried the tip in the faq page about the two registry keys: L HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Editor\Font L HKEY_USERS\.Default\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Rich Text L I can't find the second one, supposing it refers to fonts used in L different places than the editor. I also tried to add values manually, L with no effect. Any hint? The present editor font that I use (Lucida Sans Typ) is not listed as a fixed width font, though it really is. I therefore had to hack the registry to use it. I only changed the font for the first of the two values you gave above, ie, HKEY CURRENT USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Editor\Font You have to first exit TB!, make the registry change, and then restart TB!. Note however, that TB!'s editor cannot use a variable width font even if you force it to via the registry hack. Everything looks like gibberish. I'm quite sure that it has to do with the free caret interface. You'll notice that with the editor, you may place your cursor anywhere in the editor window and start typing. The character positions seem to be already mapped out in a grid type fashion. A fixed width font makes this possible. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "I.R.S.: We've got what it takes to take what you've got! " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcNYC/AXeSHuB5k3EQIgNwCgmRUchw0pdCpXGGM735RTgY5fkuwAoKpN 3MVBnFNNElWLVAxfEVKdYMLD =Yj4o -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Reply templates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:08:10 -0400, BillG wrote: B More newbie questions.. Yes. :-) B 1) Can the numbering after the "Re" be turned off? I don't particularly B care for the "Re[2]", "Re[3]", etc A simple "Re" is sufficient IMO. In your reply templates, put the macro %SINGLERE. You may put it at the end of the template. B 2) The %Quotes macro puts the "" character on every non-blank line of the B original text. I prefer to have the "" character on EVERY line of the B included text, not just the ones that aren't blank. How can I do that? You can't. That is how TB! quotes and I agree with it. Blank lines between paragraphs were inserted by the sender and should be quoted as well. If the quotes aren't there then I and others will begin to assume that you may have deleted blocks of text etc. - On a moderator note as well: Please avoid starting an new subject by replying to a message, especially if your message has nothing to do with the message to which you replied. If you wish to post a new message, create a new message and address it to the list. The reason that I ask this is because many TB! users, including me, thread their messages and also thread by references. Your message was associated with another and yet the content was not remotely related. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "The buck doesn't even slow down here! " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcO/C/AXeSHuB5k3EQImHACgn3EPG7KR4UAl22DYQswsuElE360An3MV p0Hef2fdvUmb1LLpK17rU7/y =W2bC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Replying to your message dated Thursday, September 14, 2000, at 9:54 AM
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:45:42 +0200, Dierk Haasis wrote: snip DH Can anybody tell me how humans survived so long without all this - DH on normal paper with nothing else but a pen or pencil? E-mail has little to do with survival. It has more to do with a convenient way of corresponding. Although, mind you, society is getting sophisticated to the point where e-mail is considered a need for 'survival' as things are now. :-) If you wish to include basic text in your mail then fine. No one is stopping you. If you wish mail coming your way to only be in basic text, then fine, let it be known and/or set up your filters. If others wish to enrich what they send, which is similar to using decorated paper in snail mail, spraying perfume on letters and envelopes, as in snail mail etc., why belittle it or shed it in such a negative light? People walk around with and own all sorts of gadgetry, do all sorts of things, present papers, and do lectures with the aid of visual enhancements which aren't really 'needed' as you put it. May as well do away with PowerPoint and it's ilk eh, since all you really need is some plain text on a white background to get your point across? But then again (to use your line of argument), you're there and they can listen to you, so why bother with the visual aid at all? It's not about need all the time. It can be about presentation and or style. Also, that argument about why not include everything else is rather weak one. It's a universal template for skeptics resistance to any form of change or introduction of new ideas. Ideas that aim to enhance what's already presently in use. "When will it stop?" they say. One thing will lead to another. shrug IMO, there is a place for composing mail in rich text or sending HTML mail. However, it simply shouldn't be routine and is at present being very much abused. Abused because HTML mail comes at a cost. A cost that most who use it do not recognize. There's the bandwidth cost that is not appreciated when one analyses things on an individualised basis. The cost on bandwidth is appreciated when one considers the amount of extra megabytes being carried across networks when millions use HTML e-mail unnecessarily. The other cost is that you are forcing the reader at the other end to read the message as you are seeing it. E-mail has exonerated me from having to read poor penmanship and fonts that I dislike. I can read messages with my own fonts and background colour. The recipients cannot read HTML e-mail with their own settings. You should consider each time you're sending an HTML formatted message if you really think it's important or meaningful that the recipient see the message the way that you're seeing it, i.e., with the same font's, font sizes etc. I got some HTML e-mail Christmas greetings and birthday greetings which I found to be rather nice. if you have other tools or ways to enhance your communication then by all means I don't see the problem with using it *appropriately*. The problem here is with appropriate use. The way HTML support is implemented in most of the commonly used e-mail clients, encourages inappropriate use of HTML e-mail. *That* is my grouse against it. It's actually inappropriate in most situations in which e-mail is exchanged. IMO, a default setting to compose mail in HTML format should not have been provided in a general purpose e-mail client. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "If all goes well, you've overlooked something! " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcPp8vAXeSHuB5k3EQKcFQCfT3aos6z2QOpp/8Gkxax5Wp990FIAmwU6 ygQzDhxLwszZRdvj85RXug7S =n3ML -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Reply templates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:13:24 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: B 2) The %Quotes macro puts the "" character on every non-blank line B of the original text. I prefer to have the "" character on EVERY B line of the included text, not just the ones that aren't blank. How B can I do that? MDP You know, I hadn't realised that. I didn't either. :- I succeeded in confusing the others with it. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcPqcfAXeSHuB5k3EQLw2wCg99K7dqJKdBRqhOo9N+TBjaymuk0AoIEH E4l07VlACv5F/khVOfrIp6Fg =NeU0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Reply templates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:58:20 -0500, Chuck Mattsen wrote: CM I think the original question was how to get that blank line to show CM the quotation marker, as well, rather than remain blank ... your CM answer seems to say that it does, but on my end here it does not. CM What am I misunderstanding in this exchange? You aren't at all. I didn't realize that TB! doesn't do something which should be so obviously apparent. :-) I do agree that the quotes should be inserted. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "An error? Impossible! My modem is error correcting. " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcPq4/AXeSHuB5k3EQIt8QCfUmJ/6xfKORPZ9hCjVlJqQULT3JIAoLFE JXHj7r0Yh3xgoXfc3kqGojys =GMZ6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:47:59 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: SL TB! loves to count replies for some reason. You can turn that off in SL the templates. The exact macro eludes me at the moment. Again, on SL Linux, not Windows. That's %SINGLERE snip SL See, another fine case for an external editor. I never, EVER SL understood why Windows clients insisted on including internal SL editors on everything under the sun. Complete waste of time. On editor support specifically, I have no problem with that. The OS comes with a number of potential editors as is. The user could start with that and then use another when it's The modular approach in general is an advanced user approach to computing. I love it personally. However, for novices and for those users who have no real interest in becoming advanced users, there's a definite need and market for the monolithic application. SL We've been over this Allie, you're not convincing me because, as I SL said, once the user learns one editor they are /done/ learning SL editors. Here they never stop having to learn new editors and that SL wastes time. You may be misunderstanding me all along. What I said above is all that I have been saying. Is there anything there that you disagree with? I am growing more used to it, but I find all the extra keystrokes a hassle. And it _is_ non-standard. SL Tell me, what /is/ standard in editors? :) This is another thing that I have been indicating to you. In windows, the basic behaviour of most editors is really standard. This is why TB!'s editor is a real 'culture shocker' for those who are used to using different editors for various applications. SL Exactly, there isn't a standard, at least not for the more advanced SL features of an editor. She hasn't really touched on any advanced features as such. She has been complaining about basic cursor movements and responses and behaviour. Trying to type paragraphs etc. For windows, cursor behaviour is pretty standard. SL BIG HINT TO AUTHORS AND EVERYONE ELSE HERE: Notice here he(?) says he is SL looking for an email client which is tunable yet all his complaints, thus far, SL have been with the /editor/? I think he is a she. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcQbTvAXeSHuB5k3EQI/WQCfZcN9s77hFkMnLDVyM69Q2rLFIooAoMdB 7Vwkj9MG0WE9HW/obm4FHznn =pFUt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:35:12 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: snip SL This is free caret mode. There is no way to turn it off and no, it SL isn't a bug. I'm sure at least half a dozen people have answered SL stating that it isn't a bug, that it cannot be turned off and then SL have proceeded to tell you how glorious and wonderful it is. Quite SL frankly I wish it could be turned off two because I find it SL annoying. However, since the majority of the people are wiffing SL white out on this matter the authors don't appear inclined to do SL anything to make the editor behave in a sane manner. I'll add my 2 cents here. :-) I personally do like the free caret interface myself. Also, for me, TB!'s editor took some time to get accustomed to. It was a period of adjustment and giving and taking. The end result has been that the shortcomings for me do not exceed the good points. If TB! were to support an external editor, I would still use this one. Be that as it may, I strongly disagree with the free caret interface not being made optional. If the developers intent was to implement an editor that does basic things in a non-standard fashion they should either make these non standard behaviours optional or implement the facility to use an optional/external editor seamlessly. It would seem that many potential users have been turned off by the editor and this is a really unfortunate thing because it's really unnecessary. Editing is one of the core parts of e-mail management and the user should be able to exercise some flexibility and control. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Never draw fire, it irritates everyone around you " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcQd6vAXeSHuB5k3EQIlIwCcC/wpPVw4wV8djWg35dp8x77KivEAoM5C idxDxcL3pp+gI0G9KsVLoiMc =w76H -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 02:56:33 +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: KS Jurek answered that one. It's old, imported mail. Something got KS fucked up in the conversion,. New mail looks ok. ^^ moderator hat on Since this is an international group with people of different cultures subscribed; attitudes toward profanity may very well be mixed with some taking offense and others not. To maintain as tranquil and as peaceful an atmosphere as possible on this list, we have decided to 'outlaw' the use of profanity here. moderator hat off I don't. It will make my plain text justified paragraphs look absolutely terrible. KS There's no discussing taste. But as I said: why both have the fixed KS fomt as the only alternative _and_ free caret? I have no personal problems with your query. But with respect to variable width fonts, it can really create problems with formatting of the sender not being properly appreciated by the recipient. Variable width fonts do look better but their use is sender centric so to speak. What I mean is that the sender admires their message format but the recipient fails to see what there is to admire because they are using a different font. Take for instance. As seen above, I underlined one of your words. If I had used a variable width font, it really wouldn't make sense doing it because you wouldn't see it as such at your end. Copy and paste the text to an editor that supports variable width fonts and look at it with various variable width fonts to see what I'm getting at. I agree that it's a pity that fixed width fonts are generally ugly but they are better to use for plain text based correspondences. I have found happiness with 'Lucida Sans Typ' at size 10 using large fonts at a 1600x1200 resolution. I never really felt happy with look until now so I know what you mean. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Don't Take Life Seriously, It Is Not Permanent. " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcQg8/AXeSHuB5k3EQK1WwCfcxre2s/tI0xJdTwcz9Ij5PU8Oz8AoKM9 ln9cVqeD7Ab1kbvoOrZaAk13 =+AWM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:38:08 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: SL That is the Microsoft standard, not /A/ standard. The origin of this behaviour that is present in most Windows based editors that may have reason to use is pretty much besides the point. The reality is that if you are developing an application for Windows users then you are faced with this unfortunate fact and that is that most are accustomed to a certain behaviour or functionality. SL There is a big difference. AFAIK the CUA (a standard) defines what SL keystrokes do, not editor behavior. There is a difference. I realize this. I see that I used the word 'Standard' rather loosely. :-) She hasn't really touched on any advanced features as such. SL Free caret I considered advanced. Simple text editing is not advanced use. Notepad and virtually all windows based editors will behave exactly the way she desires. :-) If they offer a free caret interface, the four I've had opportunity to use had the free caret interface toggled off by default. If this is the case, then the editor cursor behaviour she desires may, in a sense, be considered standard behaviour. Nuh? :-) SL Again, it is not a standard. That is what I said. There is no SL standard and I do not the take the "Microsoft is right" standard as SL one since it isn't published and can change on a whim. Sure. I agree but that doesn't negate anything I'm trying to get across to you. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Some nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcQllvAXeSHuB5k3EQJJVwCeNdqJTty7Y/ltj+ER86orjZimDAkAoI5z prE+Ht3Kx1npP4vqtOneYOYN =+3i9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 02:58:52 +0100, Mark R Harding wrote: snip MRH What does perplex me still is how exactly the tab key works. My usual MRH experience from both Windows and Unix editors is that the tab key MRH indents the cursor position (either by a control-character or by MRH inserting extra white space as required) to the next 'tab-stop' which MRH is normally defined as a regular series of positions along the text MRH line - say ever 4,8,16 or however many characters. Yes. The tabbing with TB!'s editor will tab in 8 characters at a time, all the time, provided ''Smart' Tabs' is disabled in the editor preferences. MRH In TB!, I find the behaviour of the tab key to be almost random. MRH Sometimes I'll get a desired effect - othertimes the tab key will jump MRH the cursor to about 5 characters from the end of the line leaving a MRH gap of about 60% page width. If anyone here has the wisdom or MRH knowledge (or both?!) to explain what is going on, I'm a perplexed MRH person waiting for enlightenment... :) You seem to have ''Smart' Tabs' enabled in the editor preferences. With this option enabled, the tabbing will vary depending on the situation. The tabbing will always adjust in such a way that the cursor ends up in line with the first letter of the line of text above. So if I type this and start a new line, hit tab, I end up *here. See the new line starts in line with the one above. With quoted material, it ignores the quote prefixing. So if I hit tab below the following line: allie Test line |the cursor ends up at the beginning of the quoted line ignoring the prefix as above. or allie another test |here it is. or test |Here it is. This is the method behind the madness of the Smart Tab. If you don't like it, turn it off and your tabbing will be fixed at 8 characters. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Going the speed of light is bad for your age. " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcQs5PAXeSHuB5k3EQI/3gCg+1V4iDlzJoqIlXL2+jTkNE2vik4AoJYQ j1dLlckKsyrWFERTCh10/XWp =x/J8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:43:34 -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote: DTS As you are probably seeing there is a lot of 'we know everything' and DTS there is only ONE way to do things .. yada yada yada. Try to let DTS these notes go by .. just sympathize. DTS The real thing is to look at The Bat and all of its features. I have DTS moved to The Bat from Eudora. Although there is a learning curve (and DTS a bit of patience) it is a good move. DTS Heck .. one of the things I was complaining about I was told would DTS never happen .. i was wrong .. and it was a dead horse. cough Who said *anything* would never happen where TB!'s development is going? Anyway, this editor grouse is a really old one and very much has a lot to do with the fact that slated features for version 2 of TB! include editor support for variable width fonts and support for the use of an external editor and or an alternative integrated editor. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Never try to out stare a cat. They've got no eyelids. " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcQxfvAXeSHuB5k3EQJM7wCePVzFOkLPEGfFrHJ4QOMTC+Ns9t4An3Nh aahA1CHLQtTOEuuCMU8aIb9x =bFPp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Virtual folder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:37:01 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote: MDP Aha! If you double click on the ticker you get a folder browse window MDP open up. It may just look like a message view. If it does, then use MDP the view menu to enable the Message list. See? It's a folder view ... KE Too bad though that the ticker is hardly usable for us blind folks, KE so i just hide it. If there was a way to read the ticker, (is it a KE window with scrolling text or what?) i'd consider using it, but as KE it is now i'm glad i can hide it. Hehe. But remember that the tickers text properties is configurable. You can choose whatever font and size to use, even a variable width font. ;-)) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Predicting the future of technology is fraud with peril! " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcS4bPAXeSHuB5k3EQLQWwCfQ3MBzXCg+M9UzZn10gCWW0XMN7cAn3M1 /MVczQjNwZGOLD77Qukv5Op0 =YJFK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
