Re: [SWR] PBSS member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Award at the Texas Cavers Reunion
Jen, I have suggested the same thing to the Executive Council. I think there are several deceased SWR members that would be good candidates to recognize by naming the award after one of them. I was quite impressed by this at TCR and was planning to make a motion at the next meeting that the SWR should create a new caver award. It would be a great way to recognize new cavers. Jen From: ca...@caver.net To: p...@caver.net Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:52:28 -0500 CC: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] PBSS member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Award at the Texas Cavers Reunion October 19,2013 Permian Basin Speleological Society member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Award at the Texas Cavers Reunion... The Chuck Stuehm Award —An Annual Grotto Award for Exceptional New Cavers Have you ever heard of the Chuck Stuehm Award? It is an award for new and exceptional cavers, and can be awarded to one new caver in each grotto in Texas. The award is named after Raymond Chuck Stuehm (pronounced “ Steam”) who was a member of several Grottos in the San Antonio area and was especially good at guiding, working with, and encouraging new cavers. Chuck's memory is honored every time a new, exceptionally exuberant caver receives this award. Every grotto has the opportunity to encourage new cavers by selecting a new caver for this award every year. Chuck Stuehm died an untimely death on January 31, 1980 at the age of 52. A memorial issue of the Texas Caver was a memorial issue for Chuck, outlining many of his accomplishments in caving. At the same time the Chuck Stuehm Award was established for to be given to an outstanding new caver in each grotto each year at Texas Cavers’ Reunion (TCR), which was then called the Old Timers’ Reunion. The Chuck Stuehm Award Requirements: The only requirement for the award is that the caver has been caving two years or less and shows an unusual enthusiasm and interest in caving, and all aspects of caving. Selection of the recipient is by the grotto in whatever way they choose. Often the officers will choose the recipient after consulting some of the more active members of the grotto, keeping the award a surprise until TCR. Often the grotto will also honor the recipient at the next grotto meeting after TCR. The Chuck Stuehm Award Prize: The prize is one year's membership to the TSA (Texas Speleological Association) and a shiny certificate suitable for framing. If the winner is already a TSA member they will receive one year's extension of membership. The Chuck Stuehm Award winners were announced at TCR on October 19th, 2011. ___ SWR mailing list SWR@caver.nethttp://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] PBSS member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Award at the Texas Cavers Reunion
I recommend naming the award for legendary Tom Meador! Harvey From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bentley Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:30 AM To: Steve Peerman Cc: s...@caver.net; jen . Subject: Re: [SWR] PBSS member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Award at the Texas Cavers Reunion But I am still alive Bill Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID (junky technology) Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net wrote: Jen, I have suggested the same thing to the Executive Council. I think there are several deceased SWR members that would be good candidates to recognize by naming the award after one of them. I was quite impressed by this at TCR and was planning to make a motion at the next meeting that the SWR should create a new caver award. It would be a great way to recognize new cavers. Jen _ From: ca...@caver.net To: p...@caver.net Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:52:28 -0500 CC: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] PBSS member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Award at the Texas Cavers Reunion October 19,2013 Permian Basin Speleological Society member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Award at the Texas Cavers Reunion... The Chuck Stuehm Award —An Annual Grotto Award for Exceptional New Cavers Have you ever heard of the Chuck Stuehm Award? It is an award for new and exceptional cavers, and can be awarded to one new caver in each grotto in Texas. The award is named after Raymond Chuck Stuehm (pronounced “ Steam”) who was a member of several Grottos in the San Antonio area and was especially good at guiding, working with, and encouraging new cavers. Chuck's memory is honored every time a new, exceptionally exuberant caver receives this award. Every grotto has the opportunity to encourage new cavers by selecting a new caver for this award every year. Chuck Stuehm died an untimely death on January 31, 1980 at the age of 52. A memorial issue of the Texas Caver was a memorial issue for Chuck, outlining many of his accomplishments in caving. At the same time the Chuck Stuehm Award was established for to be given to an outstanding new caver in each grotto each year at Texas Cavers’ Reunion (TCR), which was then called the Old Timers’ Reunion. The Chuck Stuehm Award Requirements: The only requirement for the award is that the caver has been caving two years or less and shows an unusual enthusiasm and interest in caving, and all aspects of caving. Selection of the recipient is by the grotto in whatever way they choose. Often the officers will choose the recipient after consulting some of the more active members of the grotto, keeping the award a surprise until TCR. Often the grotto will also honor the recipient at the next grotto meeting after TCR. The Chuck Stuehm Award Prize: The prize is one year's membership to the TSA (Texas Speleological Association) and a shiny certificate suitable for framing. If the winner is already a TSA member they will receive one year's extension of membership. The Chuck Stuehm Award winners were announced at TCR on October 19th, 2011. ___ SWR mailing list SWR@caver.nethttp://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] PBSS member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Award at the Texas Cavers Reunion
Great idea Harvey! I know many of us remember Tom with admiration and respect! Big shoes to fill… Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Harvey DuChene Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:08 AM To: 'Bill Bentley'; 'Steve Peerman' Cc: s...@caver.net; 'jen .' Subject: Re: [SWR] PBSS member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Award at the Texas Cavers Reunion I recommend naming the award for legendary Tom Meador! Harvey From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bentley Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:30 AM To: Steve Peerman Cc: s...@caver.net; jen . Subject: Re: [SWR] PBSS member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Award at the Texas Cavers Reunion But I am still alive Bill Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID (junky technology) Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net wrote: Jen, I have suggested the same thing to the Executive Council. I think there are several deceased SWR members that would be good candidates to recognize by naming the award after one of them. I was quite impressed by this at TCR and was planning to make a motion at the next meeting that the SWR should create a new caver award. It would be a great way to recognize new cavers. Jen _ From: ca...@caver.net To: p...@caver.net Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:52:28 -0500 CC: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] PBSS member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Award at the Texas Cavers Reunion October 19,2013 Permian Basin Speleological Society member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Award at the Texas Cavers Reunion... The Chuck Stuehm Award —An Annual Grotto Award for Exceptional New Cavers Have you ever heard of the Chuck Stuehm Award? It is an award for new and exceptional cavers, and can be awarded to one new caver in each grotto in Texas. The award is named after Raymond Chuck Stuehm (pronounced “ Steam”) who was a member of several Grottos in the San Antonio area and was especially good at guiding, working with, and encouraging new cavers. Chuck's memory is honored every time a new, exceptionally exuberant caver receives this award. Every grotto has the opportunity to encourage new cavers by selecting a new caver for this award every year. Chuck Stuehm died an untimely death on January 31, 1980 at the age of 52. A memorial issue of the Texas Caver was a memorial issue for Chuck, outlining many of his accomplishments in caving. At the same time the Chuck Stuehm Award was established for to be given to an outstanding new caver in each grotto each year at Texas Cavers’ Reunion (TCR), which was then called the Old Timers’ Reunion. The Chuck Stuehm Award Requirements: The only requirement for the award is that the caver has been caving two years or less and shows an unusual enthusiasm and interest in caving, and all aspects of caving. Selection of the recipient is by the grotto in whatever way they choose. Often the officers will choose the recipient after consulting some of the more active members of the grotto, keeping the award a surprise until TCR. Often the grotto will also honor the recipient at the next grotto meeting after TCR. The Chuck Stuehm Award Prize: The prize is one year's membership to the TSA (Texas Speleological Association) and a shiny certificate suitable for framing. If the winner is already a TSA member they will receive one year's extension of membership. The Chuck Stuehm Award winners were announced at TCR on October 19th, 2011. ___ SWR mailing list SWR@caver.nethttp://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
texascavers Digest 23 Oct 2013 19:49:00 -0000 Issue 1873
texascavers Digest 23 Oct 2013 19:49:00 - Issue 1873 Topics (messages 22962 through 22965): Re: Poison-ivy 22962 by: Louise Power 22963 by: Missy Singleton 22965 by: Stefan Creaser Etiquette for Alzheimer's victims 22964 by: BMorgan994.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- I don't think it's possible for anyone other than the moderator to modify the list. So it wouldn't be possible for any one other than him to take you off the list. And you'd probably have to be taken off the list in general. I don't think he'd do it for one thread. Do what I do, just delete. It's not exactly a secret what the subject of the messages are, so quit shooting the messengers. From: missie...@hotmail.com To: power_lou...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:51:40 -0500 Sure do and thank you for inundating me with yet another email I do not wish to read. I assume you don't know how to not respond to someone asking to not be on a thread. I asked nicely once. From: power_lou...@hotmail.com To: missie...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:46:23 -0700 probably not as long as you're on the Texascavers list. I assume you know how to use your delete button From: missie...@hotmail.com To: pw...@dca.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:57:34 -0500 Can I please be removed from the Poison ivy thread? Thank you, Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:53:38 -0400 To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com From: pw...@dca.net Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids. At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote: Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these ingredients is a solvent? Active ingredient: Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch Inactive ingredients: alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, fragrance, polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4% Uses: Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and sumac. Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin. Warnings: Do not use on severe, draining rashes. Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use. Keep out of reach of children If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away. Keep out of eyes. If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up and occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician. Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician. Directions: To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; avoid breaking the skin. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently. Repeat as needed. To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash entire body with Tecnu Extreme. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry. Other information: Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C) From: donarb...@mac.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse wpipistre...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if needed. Mary TZ From: Tom Rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.com To:
[Texascavers] Unsubscribe!
From: missie...@hotmail.com To: stefan.crea...@arm.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:12:26 -0500 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy As much as I once loved the caving community; I'm out. I will now gladly ask to be taken off the mailing list. I have received at least 5 private messages where I have been called an idiot, been berated, insulted and mocked. All because I asked politely to not be included on an email thread. Fuck off! Oh, and have a nice day! Missy From: stefan.crea...@arm.com To: missie...@hotmail.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:57:20 -0700 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy You are obviously an idiot (sic) then since you don’t realize there is no way to avoid a thread when you’re on a mailing list :-) If you tell the list what sort of tool/filter you use to read email – Outlook, Yahoo, Gmail, etc. I’m sure some nice person who’s more technically savvy than I am (I just use the delete button in Outlook) will tell you how to set up the appropriate filter. Cheers, Stefan (Deleteing the rest for Sleaze’s benefit :-) -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782
[Texascavers] TCR thanks, and....
...I'm fed up of deleting posts about Poison insert_plant_here. Another great TCR in the bag. I hope y'all liked the food, and the fast service provided by the dedicated Aggie crew under Laura's guidance. I want to thank: Don Arburn, for letting me run this (again). And for giving me the cash afterwards! Vico Jones for getting 3 bbq pits and the recycling cans to TCR (with help from George, Oscar, Cuate and Gary). And for endless cooking tasks. Tommy Joe (and team) for the chicken wings and pulled chicken. Heather Tucek for hauling the other pit and doing the veggie food. RD Milhollin (and team) for the potato salad Eric Flint for the 'slaw Andrea Croskey for the creamed corn Matt Zappitello for the cobbler Jocie Hooper for the banana pudding Laura Creaser for the gelato Leslie Bell for the breads (and who couldn't even be there!) Various people for making the mac'n'cheese (about 6, I think, as everyone was lining up!). Thanks for all those people who came by and did various jobs (cutting, pulling, cajoling, stoking, etc.) throughout the weekend, and (washing up) afterwards. The servers going down the line with snacks. The people who made the sausages a few weeks before. Jenni Arburn's friend for making cookies and cupcakes for the cooks. The Aggies for dragging us over the line cutting up BBQ and other last minute jobs (they only ever sign up to serve, but we make them really work ;-) I hope I haven't missed anyone; but if I did then I *did* really appreciate your help in putting on the feast! So next year the theme is Super Heros? That's very American... I guess it's hotdogs and fixin's then ;-) Cheers, Stefan -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782
texascavers Digest 23 Oct 2013 23:16:03 -0000 Issue 1874
texascavers Digest 23 Oct 2013 23:16:03 - Issue 1874 Topics (messages 22966 through 22972): Re: Poison-ivy 22966 by: Stefan Creaser 22967 by: Missy Singleton 22969 by: Jon Cradit 22971 by: Steve Keselik 22972 by: jerryatkin.aol.com Unsubscribe! 22968 by: Missy Singleton TCR thanks, and 22970 by: Stefan Creaser Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- You are obviously an idiot (sic) then since you don't realize there is no way to avoid a thread when you're on a mailing list :-) If you tell the list what sort of tool/filter you use to read email - Outlook, Yahoo, Gmail, etc. I'm sure some nice person who's more technically savvy than I am (I just use the delete button in Outlook) will tell you how to set up the appropriate filter. Cheers, Stefan (Deleteing the rest for Sleaze's benefit :-) -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- As much as I once loved the caving community; I'm out. I will now gladly ask to be taken off the mailing list. I have received at least 5 private messages where I have been called an idiot, been berated, insulted and mocked. All because I asked politely to not be included on an email thread. Fuck off! Oh, and have a nice day! Missy From: stefan.crea...@arm.com To: missie...@hotmail.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:57:20 -0700 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy You are obviously an idiot (sic) then since you don’t realize there is no way to avoid a thread when you’re on a mailing list :-) If you tell the list what sort of tool/filter you use to read email – Outlook, Yahoo, Gmail, etc. I’m sure some nice person who’s more technically savvy than I am (I just use the delete button in Outlook) will tell you how to set up the appropriate filter. Cheers, Stefan (Deleteing the rest for Sleaze’s benefit :-) -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- This seems to me to be symptomatic of what our society is increasingly accepting as the norm or acceptable behavior. This is becoming more common in how we treat our friends, our extended family of cavers, who at times we depend on for our safety and at times our life. We see this in our politicians and the dysfunctional government. It hurts people to the bone. Is it truly necessary? The personal attacks and name calling. Can we no longer have a civil discussion and accept each other's personal quirks? It's easy for someone, them, to press DELETE, the same is true for me and you, if I don't want to read their post. Just wondering From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:57 PM To: Missy Singleton Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy You are obviously an idiot (sic) then since you don't realize there is no way to avoid a thread when you're on a mailing list :-) If you tell the list what sort of tool/filter you use to read email - Outlook, Yahoo, Gmail, etc. I'm sure some nice person who's more technically savvy than I am (I just use the delete button in Outlook) will tell you how to set up the appropriate filter. Cheers, Stefan (Deleteing the rest for Sleaze's benefit :-) -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use
Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
A technical point or two: Reaction to Poison Ivy, etc, is a chemical contact condition, not an allergy. And I'm not sure that we can describe resistance to it as an 'immunity' since it's not a disease. I'm a little unsure about Tom's suggestion to use 'mineral spirits' which is a carcinogenic organic solvent, i.e.: paint thinner (among other things) and should not really be put on the skin. It surely ought to get rid of any oils, however. Thoughts? Info? --Ediger On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.org wrote: I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend. ** ** For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite with a weed eater for the first TCR near Luling I was super exposed. I was in shorts, sandals, etc. I had no idea there was poison ivy around but came down with it all over. After a few days of trying everything and it only getting worse I went to the Dr. It was better the next day, and completely gone in 3-4 days. Prednisone and Desoximetasone cream, both are prescription. ** ** Kurt
Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
If you don't like the idea of mineral spirits on your skin then just use rubbing alcohol. Works almost as good. Or buy over priced deodorized mineral spirits(tecnu). Probably just as carcinogenic as canned paint thinners. Any of that is way safer than the doctor. I wouldn't want the shot that's lasted over fifty years(Bill Walden). If nothing is available water and dirt makes mud. The more alkaline the dirt the better. Add some ash to make it even more alkaline. Whatever it takes to get the oil off. Anything to avoid doctors. Tom --- Original Message --- From: vivb...@att.net Sent: October 23, 2013 8:27 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy If you're in Texas, it's Poison Ivy. Poison Oak grows on the West coast. the leaf and habit is pretty different, but still 3 leaflets per leaf, and variable. Poison Ivy forms a vine more, but will also form a bush. best way to prevent it is wash and wash and wash again with a good oil cutting soap. I use dawn or the brand technu which is specific for poison ivy. If you're getting new breakout bumps, then you haven't washed it all off yet. Half frozen wet paper towels feel really good on it. No one is immune to poison ivy. For some people it takes more exposure. The more you are exposed to it, the more sensitive you become. You cannot develop an immunity. Vivian Loftin From: Bill Walden wdwal...@windstream.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy When I was young I would break out horribly from poison ivy. At age 7 (1949) I underwent a series of shots for poison ivy. Following those shots I didn't break out from contact with poison Ivy. Today it is rare for me to get a bubble or two after contact with that plant. I believe that the shots are no longer given. Bill Walden On 10/23/2013 8:59 AM, Gill Edigar wrote: A technical point or two: Reaction to Poison Ivy, etc, is a chemical contact condition, not an allergy. And I'm not sure that we can describe resistance to it as an 'immunity' since it's not a disease. I'm a little unsure about Tom's suggestion to use 'mineral spirits' which is a carcinogenic organic solvent, i.e.: paint thinner (among other things) and should not really be put on the skin. It surely ought to get rid of any oils, however. Thoughts? Info? --Ediger On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.org wrote: I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend. For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite with a weed eater for the first TCR near Luling I was super exposed. I was in shorts, sandals, etc. I had no idea there was poison ivy around but came down with it all over. After a few days of trying everything and it only getting worse I went to the Dr. It was better the next day, and completely gone in 3-4 days. Prednisone and Desoximetasone cream, both are prescription. Kurt
Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
I recently went to Poison Ivy pit in Bexar County. It lives up to its name. The sinkhole was hidden by massive vines. Completely covering it save one port hole about 20 diameter. It was the only way in so I rappelled thru that and saw that I could have walked into the sink hole from the other side if it wasn't choked with poison ivy. It was hanging 10' down the pit. The cave lives up to its name, trust me. It didn't get me that time, surprising because I was in my caving clothes(for those who know my caving attire). The worst place to get it? Not the genitals. In the eye. Salt water every ten minutes. After that I can largely ignore regular exposures. --- Original Message --- From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net Sent: October 23, 2013 8:51 AM To: vivb...@att.net Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I forgot to mention an apocryphal story regarding my East Texas cousins who were Piney Woods squirrel hunters in their youth and often came home with poison ivy lesions. My aunt used an old procedure that involved my cousins taking a certain number (which I don't remember) of ripe poison ivy seeds by mouth for several (again, I don't remember how many) days. They were, reportedly, cured of their sensitivity to poison ivy--or, at least, it was greatly diminished. --Ediger On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:27 AM, vivb...@att.net wrote: If you're in Texas, it's Poison Ivy. Poison Oak grows on the West coast. the leaf and habit is pretty different, but still 3 leaflets per leaf, and variable. Poison Ivy forms a vine more, but will also form a bush. best way to prevent it is wash and wash and wash again with a good oil cutting soap. I use dawn or the brand technu which is specific for poison ivy. If you're getting new breakout bumps, then you haven't washed it all off yet. Half frozen wet paper towels feel really good on it. No one is immune to poison ivy. For some people it takes more exposure. The more you are exposed to it, the more sensitive you become. You cannot develop an immunity. Vivian Loftin -- *From:* Bill Walden wdwal...@windstream.net *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:11 AM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy When I was young I would break out horribly from poison ivy. At age 7 (1949) I underwent a series of shots for poison ivy. Following those shots I didn't break out from contact with poison Ivy. Today it is rare for me to get a bubble or two after contact with that plant. I believe that the shots are no longer given. Bill Walden On 10/23/2013 8:59 AM, Gill Edigar wrote: A technical point or two: Reaction to Poison Ivy, etc, is a chemical contact condition, not an allergy. And I'm not sure that we can describe resistance to it as an 'immunity' since it's not a disease. I'm a little unsure about Tom's suggestion to use 'mineral spirits' which is a carcinogenic organic solvent, i.e.: paint thinner (among other things) and should not really be put on the skin. It surely ought to get rid of any oils, however. Thoughts? Info? --Ediger On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.orgwrote: I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend. For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite with a weed eater for the first TCR near Luling I was super exposed. I was in shorts, sandals, etc. I had no idea there was poison ivy around but came down with it all over. After a few days of trying everything and it only getting worse I went to the Dr. It was better the next day, and completely gone in 3-4 days. Prednisone and Desoximetasone cream, both are prescription. Kurt
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I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if needed. Mary TZ From: Tom Rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. Tom --- Original Message --- From: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days. Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: George Veni gv...@nckri.org To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) To: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net Cc: TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other treatments. Sheryl Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant True SEM Antics, Inc. 832-632-2387 Home 361-205-1458 Cell On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: A related product is Tecnu http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu, also commonly available at pharmacies. These products wash away the oily residue that causes the rash . They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but can help even the next day or two. Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand, is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic. It reduces itching, but doesn't really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease). (I'm also not affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.) Mark At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me, always have been. The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand. I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results. it's expensive, but worth every cent. Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me. There was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore it was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either. If you can, try the above link On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal experience? Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ? 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable. Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned people are the most allergic ? David Locklear Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse wpipistre...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if needed. Mary TZ From: Tom Rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. Tom --- Original Message --- From: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days. Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: George Veni gv...@nckri.org To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) To: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net Cc: TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other treatments. Sheryl Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant True SEM Antics, Inc. 832-632-2387 Home 361-205-1458 Cell On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: A related product is Tecnu http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu, also commonly available at pharmacies. These products wash away the oily residue that causes the rash . They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but can help even the next day or two. Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand, is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic. It reduces itching, but doesn't really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease). (I'm also not affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.) Mark At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me, always have been. The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand. I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results. it's expensive, but worth every cent. Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me. There was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore it was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either. If you can, try the above link On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal experience? Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ? 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable. Is it true that some ethnic groups are
RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids. At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote: Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these ingredients is a solvent? Active ingredient: Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch Inactive ingredients: alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, fragrance, polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4% Uses: * Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and sumac. * Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin. Warnings: * Do not use on severe, draining rashes. * Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use. * Keep out of reach of children * If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away. * Keep out of eyes. * If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up and occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician. * Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician. Directions: To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older) * Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. * Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; avoid breaking the skin. * Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently. * Repeat as needed. To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older) * Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. * Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash entire body with Tecnu Extreme. * Rinse with cool running water and towel dry. Other information: Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C) -- From: donarb...@mac.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse mailto:wpipistre...@yahoo.comwpipistre...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if needed. Mary TZ From: Tom Rogers mailto:decksunlimi...@hotmail.comdecksunlimi...@hotmail.com To: caverarch mailto:cavera...@aol.comcavera...@aol.com; mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.comTexascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. Tom --- Original Message --- From: caverarch mailto:cavera...@aol.comcavera...@aol.com Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM To: mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.comTexascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days. Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: George Veni mailto:gv...@nckri.orggv...@nckri.org To: Texas Cavers mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.comTexascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 mailto:gv...@nckri.orggv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Sheryl Rieck
RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Can I please be removed from the Poison ivy thread? Thank you, Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:53:38 -0400 To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com From: pw...@dca.net Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids. At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote: Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these ingredients is a solvent? Active ingredient: Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch Inactive ingredients: alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, fragrance, polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4% Uses: Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and sumac. Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin. Warnings: Do not use on severe, draining rashes. Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use. Keep out of reach of children If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away. Keep out of eyes. If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up and occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician. Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician. Directions: To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; avoid breaking the skin. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently. Repeat as needed. To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash entire body with Tecnu Extreme. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry. Other information: Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C) From: donarb...@mac.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse wpipistre...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if needed. Mary TZ From: Tom Rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. Tom --- Original Message --- From: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days. Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: George Veni gv...@nckri.org To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) To: Mark Minton
Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Guys, trim your replies. You are replying to BOTH the senders AND the list. We get two emails from you. Please. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 23, 2013, at 12:53 PM, Phil Winkler pw...@dca.net wrote: All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids. At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote: Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these ingredients is a solvent? Active ingredient: Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch Inactive ingredients: alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, fragrance, polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4% Uses: Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and sumac. Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin. Warnings: Do not use on severe, draining rashes. Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use. Keep out of reach of children If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away. Keep out of eyes. If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up and occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician. Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician. Directions: To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; avoid breaking the skin. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently. Repeat as needed. To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash entire body with Tecnu Extreme. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry. Other information: Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C) From: donarb...@mac.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse wpipistre...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if needed. Mary TZ From: Tom Rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. Tom --- Original Message --- From: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days. Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: George Veni gv...@nckri.org To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00)
RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
I don't think it's possible for anyone other than the moderator to modify the list. So it wouldn't be possible for any one other than him to take you off the list. And you'd probably have to be taken off the list in general. I don't think he'd do it for one thread. Do what I do, just delete. It's not exactly a secret what the subject of the messages are, so quit shooting the messengers. From: missie...@hotmail.com To: power_lou...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:51:40 -0500 Sure do and thank you for inundating me with yet another email I do not wish to read. I assume you don't know how to not respond to someone asking to not be on a thread. I asked nicely once. From: power_lou...@hotmail.com To: missie...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:46:23 -0700 probably not as long as you're on the Texascavers list. I assume you know how to use your delete button From: missie...@hotmail.com To: pw...@dca.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:57:34 -0500 Can I please be removed from the Poison ivy thread? Thank you, Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:53:38 -0400 To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com From: pw...@dca.net Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids. At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote: Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these ingredients is a solvent? Active ingredient: Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch Inactive ingredients: alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, fragrance, polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4% Uses: Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and sumac. Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin. Warnings: Do not use on severe, draining rashes. Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use. Keep out of reach of children If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away. Keep out of eyes. If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up and occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician. Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician. Directions: To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; avoid breaking the skin. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently. Repeat as needed. To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash entire body with Tecnu Extreme. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry. Other information: Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C) From: donarb...@mac.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse wpipistre...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if needed. Mary TZ From: Tom Rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. Tom --- Original Message --- From: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM To:
RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
YOU ARE THE MESSENGER RIGHT NOW. PLEASE STOP EMAILING ME ABOUT THIS! From: power_lou...@hotmail.com To: missie...@hotmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:16:53 -0700 I don't think it's possible for anyone other than the moderator to modify the list. So it wouldn't be possible for any one other than him to take you off the list. And you'd probably have to be taken off the list in general. I don't think he'd do it for one thread. Do what I do, just delete. It's not exactly a secret what the subject of the messages are, so quit shooting the messengers. From: missie...@hotmail.com To: power_lou...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:51:40 -0500 Sure do and thank you for inundating me with yet another email I do not wish to read. I assume you don't know how to not respond to someone asking to not be on a thread. I asked nicely once. From: power_lou...@hotmail.com To: missie...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:46:23 -0700 probably not as long as you're on the Texascavers list. I assume you know how to use your delete button From: missie...@hotmail.com To: pw...@dca.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:57:34 -0500 Can I please be removed from the Poison ivy thread? Thank you, Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:53:38 -0400 To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com From: pw...@dca.net Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids. At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote: Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these ingredients is a solvent? Active ingredient: Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch Inactive ingredients: alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, fragrance, polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4% Uses: Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and sumac. Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin. Warnings: Do not use on severe, draining rashes. Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use. Keep out of reach of children If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away. Keep out of eyes. If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up and occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician. Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician. Directions: To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; avoid breaking the skin. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently. Repeat as needed. To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash entire body with Tecnu Extreme. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry. Other information: Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C) From: donarb...@mac.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse wpipistre...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if needed. Mary TZ From: Tom Rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop
RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Missy, One can remove themselves from a thread, you don't need the Admin to do it for you: Email a blank message to: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com From: Missy Singleton [mailto:missie...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:19 PM To: Louise Power; texas cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy YOU ARE THE MESSENGER RIGHT NOW. PLEASE STOP EMAILING ME ABOUT THIS! From: power_lou...@hotmail.commailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com To: missie...@hotmail.commailto:missie...@hotmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:16:53 -0700 I don't think it's possible for anyone other than the moderator to modify the list. So it wouldn't be possible for any one other than him to take you off the list. And you'd probably have to be taken off the list in general. I don't think he'd do it for one thread. Do what I do, just delete. It's not exactly a secret what the subject of the messages are, so quit shooting the messengers. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782
Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
John, I contacted Missy (through Facebook) and collectivly apologized for the rude behavior.. I got her the contact information for Charles Goldsmith, so she can be properly removed... I don't think some even consider what they do. Or maybe don't care... Seems like your reply shut it all down... good I hope... Thanks, Bill (former list owner) - Original Message - From: Jon Cradit To: Stefan Creaser ; Missy Singleton Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 4:34 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy This seems to me to be symptomatic of what our society is increasingly accepting as the norm or acceptable behavior. This is becoming more common in how we treat our friends, our extended family of cavers, who at times we depend on for our safety and at times our life. We see this in our politicians and the dysfunctional government. It hurts people to the bone. Is it truly necessary? The personal attacks and name calling. Can we no longer have a civil discussion and accept each other's personal quirks? It's easy for someone, them, to press DELETE, the same is true for me and you, if I don't want to read their post. Just wondering.. From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:57 PM To: Missy Singleton Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy You are obviously an idiot (sic) then since you don't realize there is no way to avoid a thread when you're on a mailing list :-) If you tell the list what sort of tool/filter you use to read email - Outlook, Yahoo, Gmail, etc. I'm sure some nice person who's more technically savvy than I am (I just use the delete button in Outlook) will tell you how to set up the appropriate filter. Cheers, Stefan (Deleteing the rest for Sleaze's benefit :-) -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782
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I agree with Jon. The comments directed to Missy were entirely uncalled for. Jerry. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Jon Cradit jcra...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote: This seems to me to be symptomatic of what our society is increasingly accepting as the norm or acceptable behavior. This is becoming more common in how we treat our “friends”, our extended family of cavers, who at times we depend on for our safety and at times our life. We see this in our politicians and the dysfunctional government. It hurts people to the bone. Is it truly necessary? The personal attacks and name calling. Can we no longer have a civil discussion and accept each other’s personal quirks? It’s easy for someone, “them”, to press DELETE, the same is true for me and you, if I don’t want to read their post. Just wondering…. From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:57 PM To: Missy Singleton Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy You are obviously an idiot (sic) then since you don’t realize there is no way to avoid a thread when you’re on a mailing list :-) If you tell the list what sort of tool/filter you use to read email – Outlook, Yahoo, Gmail, etc. I’m sure some nice person who’s more technically savvy than I am (I just use the delete button in Outlook) will tell you how to set up the appropriate filter. Cheers, Stefan (Deleteing the rest for Sleaze’s benefit :-) -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782
Re: [SWR] Tom Meador Award
I never had the pleasure of meeting Tom but have heard many great things about him. One thing I haven't heard is about him focusing on mentoring new cavers. If SWR will be developing an award for new cavers, then it should be named for someone whose focus was new cavers, as in the case of Chuck Stuehm in Texas. Maybe Tom fits that perfectly. I don't know one way or the other. If not, I suggest naming the award for someone who better fits the award and creating another award named for Tom that would honor him more by being more appropriate to his strengths, interests, and accomplishments. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: dirt...@comcast.net Date: 2013/10/23 09:48 (GMT-07:00) To: Harvey DuChene hrduch...@gmail.com Cc: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net,s...@caver.net,Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net,jen . bigredfo...@hotmail.com Subject: [SWR] Tom Meador Award good idea, Harv! DirtDoc From: Harvey DuChene hrduch...@gmail.com To: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net Cc: s...@caver.net, jen . bigredfo...@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:07:49 AM Subject: Re: [SWR] PBSS member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Awardat theTexas Cavers Reunion I recommend naming the award for legendary Tom Meador! ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Tom Meador Award
George, While I don't think that is the first thing one would think about regarding Tom, I recall him being open and agreeable with all cavers. I got to know Tom as a fairly new caver and went caving with him when I was a relative novice. Kathy's first trip up 3 mile hill was in Tom's Bronco. While I didn't know Tom as well as a lot of others, he seemed to be a friend to all. On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:37 AM, George Veni wrote: I never had the pleasure of meeting Tom but have heard many great things about him. One thing I haven't heard is about him focusing on mentoring new cavers. If SWR will be developing an award for new cavers, then it should be named for someone whose focus was new cavers, as in the case of Chuck Stuehm in Texas. Maybe Tom fits that perfectly. I don't know one way or the other. If not, I suggest naming the award for someone who better fits the award and creating another award named for Tom that would honor him more by being more appropriate to his strengths, interests, and accomplishments. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: dirt...@comcast.net Date: 2013/10/23 09:48 (GMT-07:00) To: Harvey DuChene hrduch...@gmail.com Cc: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net,s...@caver.net,Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net,jen . bigredfo...@hotmail.com Subject: [SWR] Tom Meador Award good idea, Harv! DirtDoc From: Harvey DuChene hrduch...@gmail.com To: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net Cc: s...@caver.net, jen . bigredfo...@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:07:49 AM Subject: Re: [SWR] PBSS member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Awardat theTexas Cavers Reunion I recommend naming the award for legendary Tom Meador! ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Tom Meador Award
So what happened to the Cave History Collection? Tom collected NM cave history as well as TX caves. Carl Kunath is probably a better representative of Texas Cave History, but perhaps Tom was the better known NM cave historian. - Pete On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:49 AM, James Jasek wrote: Tom was pretty much the Historian for the TSA, and he had a massive collection of memorabilia of caving, photography, postcards, literature of Texas and New Mexico in his collection. Collecting cave history was a passion for Tom. Since collecting an maintaing caving history is our window to the past, I feel the Tom Meador Award should be designed to encourage the collection of Texas caving history. Tom was a personal friend and a really good fellow. James Jasek On Oct 23, 2013, at 12:37 PM, George Veni gv...@nckri.org wrote: I never had the pleasure of meeting Tom but have heard many great things about him. One thing I haven't heard is about him focusing on mentoring new cavers. If SWR will be developing an award for new cavers, then it should be named for someone whose focus was new cavers, as in the case of Chuck Stuehm in Texas. Maybe Tom fits that perfectly. I don't know one way or the other. If not, I suggest naming the award for someone who better fits the award and creating another award named for Tom that would honor him more by being more appropriate to his strengths, interests, and accomplishments. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: dirt...@comcast.net Date: 2013/10/23 09:48 (GMT-07:00) To: Harvey DuChene hrduch...@gmail.com Cc: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net,s...@caver.net,Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net,jen . bigredfo...@hotmail.com Subject: [SWR] Tom Meador Award good idea, Harv! DirtDoc From: Harvey DuChene hrduch...@gmail.com To: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net Cc: s...@caver.net, jen . bigredfo...@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:07:49 AM Subject: Re: [SWR] PBSS member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Awardat theTexas Cavers Reunion I recommend naming the award for legendary Tom Meador! ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Tom Meador Award
I found this University archive of his documents when I searched for Tom Meadors name http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/utcah/02558/cah-02558.html. The SWR 50th book http://www.caves.org/region/swr/50th/50th%20Anniv.%20SWR%20book.pdf had a nice section on caver memoriams for those of us who didn't get a chance to meet all the past SWR members. Jen From: caverp...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:32:09 -0600 To: caver...@hot.rr.com CC: s...@caver.net; carl.kun...@cox.net; gv...@nckri.org Subject: Re: [SWR] Tom Meador Award So what happened to the Cave History Collection? Tom collected NM cave history as well as TX caves. Carl Kunath is probably a better representative of Texas Cave History, but perhaps Tom was the better known NM cave historian. - Pete On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:49 AM, James Jasek wrote:Tom was pretty much the Historian for the TSA, and he had a massive collection of memorabilia of caving, photography, postcards, literature of Texas and New Mexico in his collection. Collecting cave history was a passion for Tom. Since collecting an maintaing caving history is our window to the past, I feel the Tom Meador Award should be designed to encourage the collection of Texas caving history. Tom was a personal friend and a really good fellow. James Jasek On Oct 23, 2013, at 12:37 PM, George Veni gv...@nckri.org wrote:I never had the pleasure of meeting Tom but have heard many great things about him. One thing I haven't heard is about him focusing on mentoring new cavers. If SWR will be developing an award for new cavers, then it should be named for someone whose focus was new cavers, as in the case of Chuck Stuehm in Texas. Maybe Tom fits that perfectly. I don't know one way or the other. If not, I suggest naming the award for someone who better fits the award and creating another award named for Tom that would honor him more by being more appropriate to his strengths, interests, and accomplishments. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: dirt...@comcast.net Date: 2013/10/23 09:48 (GMT-07:00) To: Harvey DuChene hrduch...@gmail.com Cc: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net,s...@caver.net,Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net,jen . bigredfo...@hotmail.com Subject: [SWR] Tom Meador Award good idea, Harv! DirtDoc From: Harvey DuChene hrduch...@gmail.com To: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net Cc: s...@caver.net, jen . bigredfo...@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:07:49 AM Subject: Re: [SWR] PBSS member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Awardat theTexas Cavers Reunion I recommend naming the award for legendary Tom Meador!___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Tom Meador Award
Thanks Jen! Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of jen . Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:05 PM To: caverp...@gmail.com Cc: New Mexico Cavers Subject: Re: [SWR] Tom Meador Award I found this University archive of his documents when I searched for Tom Meadors name http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/utcah/02558/cah-02558.html. The SWR 50th book http://www.caves.org/region/swr/50th/50th%20Anniv.%20SWR%20book.pdf had a nice section on caver memoriams for those of us who didn't get a chance to meet all the past SWR members. Jen _ From: caverp...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:32:09 -0600 To: caver...@hot.rr.com CC: s...@caver.net; carl.kun...@cox.net; gv...@nckri.org Subject: Re: [SWR] Tom Meador Award So what happened to the Cave History Collection? Tom collected NM cave history as well as TX caves. Carl Kunath is probably a better representative of Texas Cave History, but perhaps Tom was the better known NM cave historian. - Pete On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:49 AM, James Jasek wrote: Tom was pretty much the Historian for the TSA, and he had a massive collection of memorabilia of caving, photography, postcards, literature of Texas and New Mexico in his collection. Collecting cave history was a passion for Tom. Since collecting an maintaing caving history is our window to the past, I feel the Tom Meador Award should be designed to encourage the collection of Texas caving history. Tom was a personal friend and a really good fellow. James Jasek On Oct 23, 2013, at 12:37 PM, George Veni gv...@nckri.org wrote: I never had the pleasure of meeting Tom but have heard many great things about him. One thing I haven't heard is about him focusing on mentoring new cavers. If SWR will be developing an award for new cavers, then it should be named for someone whose focus was new cavers, as in the case of Chuck Stuehm in Texas. Maybe Tom fits that perfectly. I don't know one way or the other. If not, I suggest naming the award for someone who better fits the award and creating another award named for Tom that would honor him more by being more appropriate to his strengths, interests, and accomplishments. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 mailto:gv...@nckri.org gv...@nckri.org http://www.nckri.org/ www.nckri.org Original message From: mailto:dirt...@comcast.net dirt...@comcast.net Date: 2013/10/23 09:48 (GMT-07:00) To: Harvey DuChene mailto:hrduch...@gmail.com hrduch...@gmail.com Cc: Bill Bentley mailto:ca...@caver.net ca...@caver.net, mailto:s...@caver.net s...@caver.net,Steve Peerman mailto:gypca...@comcast.net gypca...@comcast.net,jen . mailto:bigredfo...@hotmail.com bigredfo...@hotmail.com Subject: [SWR] Tom Meador Award good idea, Harv! DirtDoc _ From: Harvey DuChene mailto:hrduch...@gmail.com hrduch...@gmail.com To: Bill Bentley mailto:ca...@caver.net ca...@caver.net, Steve Peerman mailto:gypca...@comcast.net gypca...@comcast.net Cc: mailto:s...@caver.net s...@caver.net, jen . mailto:bigredfo...@hotmail.com bigredfo...@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 9:07:49 AM Subject: Re: [SWR] PBSS member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Award attheTexas Cavers Reunion I recommend naming the award for legendary Tom Meador! ___ SWR mailing list mailto:s...@caver.net s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
texascavers Digest 23 Oct 2013 17:53:32 -0000 Issue 1871
texascavers Digest 23 Oct 2013 17:53:32 - Issue 1871 Topics (messages 22952 through 22957): Re: Poison-ivy 22952 by: Don Arburn 22956 by: Louise Power 22957 by: Phil Winkler Poison ivy at Paradise Canyon 22953 by: Diana Tomchick Re: Poison-ivy and Karst 22954 by: Louise Power 22955 by: Louise Power Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse wpipistre...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if needed. Mary TZ From: Tom Rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. Tom --- Original Message --- From: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days. Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: George Veni gv...@nckri.org To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) To: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net Cc: TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other treatments. Sheryl Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant True SEM Antics, Inc. 832-632-2387 Home 361-205-1458 Cell On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: A related product is Tecnu http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu, also commonly available at pharmacies. These products wash away the oily residue that causes the rash . They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but can help even the next day or two. Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand, is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic. It reduces itching, but doesn't really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease). (I'm also not affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.) Mark At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me, always have been. The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand. I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results. it's expensive, but worth every cent. Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well,
RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst
I remember being very sensitive to poison ivy in my early teens growing up in northern Brown county. All it had to be was springtime and I would get itchy welts on my ankles and wrists. My parents found some poison ivy extract that came in a dropper bottle. I would take 1 drop a day for a week or 10 days; then 2 drops a day for that long and do that all the way to 10 drops a day. I would start the drop therapy in the winter so by springtime I was up the the 10 drop max and my sensitivity was then greatly diminished. My mother would get poison ivy reaction regularly and not even be around it. She stopped getting it when she stopped handling my fathers dirty jeans putting them in the washing machine. Bob West Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 08:42:57 -0500 From: gi...@att.net To: dirt...@comcast.net CC: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst I forgot to mention an apocryphal story regarding my East Texas cousins who were Piney Woods squirrel hunters in their youth and often came home with poison ivy lesions. My aunt used an old procedure that involved my cousins taking a certain number (which I don't remember) of ripe poison ivy seeds by mouth for several (again, I don't remember how many) days. They were, reportedly, cured of their sensitivity to poison ivy--or, at least, it was greatly diminished. --Ediger On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: Poison-ivy and Karst How cave related can you get?? (I'll do everything I can to get this site back on track) I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a youngster. Like, someone burned some brush with the vines in the pile, a half-mile away. Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after the smoke passed over me --. Fortunately my lungs did not react. When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I discovered two things: 1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream beds. 2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in) After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my extreme reaction. But I learned what George cautioned: Immunity is lost by repeated exposure. Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak. It makes TREES going up the cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs in the Big Bend. ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.
RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst
take a look at these pics: http://img.webmd.com/dtmcms/live/webmd/consumer_assets/site_images/media/medical/hw/hwkb17_017_18_19.jpg Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 23:05:55 -0500 From: gi...@att.net To: dirt...@comcast.net CC: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst I've never had anybody successfully identify the difference between poison ivy and poison oak for me. They look the same to my eyes. --Ediger On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: Poison-ivy and Karst How cave related can you get?? (I'll do everything I can to get this site back on track) I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a youngster. Like, someone burned some brush with the vines in the pile, a half-mile away. Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after the smoke passed over me --. Fortunately my lungs did not react. When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I discovered two things: 1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream beds. 2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in) After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my extreme reaction. But I learned what George cautioned: Immunity is lost by repeated exposure. Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak. It makes TREES going up the cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs in the Big Bend. ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.
[Texascavers] Message from the CaveSim guy
From: David Jackson jacksond...@cavesim.com Date: October 22, 2013, 11:32:18 PM CDT To: David Jackson jacksond...@cavesim.com Subject: Thank you for supporting CaveSim at Texas Cavers Reunion 2013 Hi All, Thank you for donating to bring CaveSim to the Texas Cavers Reunion! Everyone we talked with at TCR really enjoyed CaveSim, and it was a pleasure to meet so many enthusiastic Texas cavers. In all, there were 14 organizations and individuals who donated. We could not have brought CaveSim down from Colorado without your support, and we made sure to thank all donors with a sign during the event. Cavers of all ages took a total of 192 trips through CaveSim, and competed for awards in six different categories. CaveSim was in constant use on Saturday (we ran it from 9AM to 10PM with one break for the parade and dinner). Many of the participants were experienced cavers, but your support also let us teach cave conservation to some kids and adults who had never been caving before. One woman said that she might actually try real caving with her caver boyfriend having successfully navigated the 60ft of crawling CaveSim passage. TCR is a great event (Texas cavers really know how to throw a good party) and we're really glad that we were able to bring CaveSim with your support. Special thanks to Bill Steele for bringing all of this together. If you'd like to see pictures from TCR, visit cavesim.com/news. If you or anyone you know would like CaveSim formations and electronics to do your own events and outreach, visit cavesim.com/buyacave. Hope to see you at another event soon! Thanks again, and good caving, Dave -- Dave Jackson CaveSim LLC www.CaveSim.com Like CaveSim on Facebook and follow @CaveSim on Twitter cell: 914 330 7824 Cave Safely, Cave Softly, CaveSim
[DFWgrotto] Fwd: [Texascavers] Message from the CaveSim guy
FYI, the DFW Grotto was one of the sponsors of CaveSim. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biophysics 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edumailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) Begin forwarded message: From: Bill Steele speleoste...@aol.commailto:speleoste...@aol.com Subject: [Texascavers] Message from the CaveSim guy Date: October 23, 2013 5:02:10 AM CDT To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com From: David Jackson jacksond...@cavesim.commailto:jacksond...@cavesim.com Date: October 22, 2013, 11:32:18 PM CDT To: David Jackson jacksond...@cavesim.commailto:jacksond...@cavesim.com Subject: Thank you for supporting CaveSim at Texas Cavers Reunion 2013 Hi All, Thank you for donating to bring CaveSim to the Texas Cavers Reunion! Everyone we talked with at TCR really enjoyed CaveSim, and it was a pleasure to meet so many enthusiastic Texas cavers. In all, there were 14 organizations and individuals who donated. We could not have brought CaveSim down from Colorado without your support, and we made sure to thank all donors with a sign during the event. Cavers of all ages took a total of 192 trips through CaveSim, and competed for awards in six different categories. CaveSim was in constant use on Saturday (we ran it from 9AM to 10PM with one break for the parade and dinner). Many of the participants were experienced cavers, but your support also let us teach cave conservation to some kids and adults who had never been caving before. One woman said that she might actually try real caving with her caver boyfriend having successfully navigated the 60ft of crawling CaveSim passage. TCR is a great event (Texas cavers really know how to throw a good party) and we're really glad that we were able to bring CaveSim with your support. Special thanks to Bill Steele for bringing all of this together. If you'd like to see pictures from TCR, visit cavesim.com/newshttp://cavesim.com/news. If you or anyone you know would like CaveSim formations and electronics to do your own events and outreach, visit cavesim.com/buyacavehttp://cavesim.com/buyacave. Hope to see you at another event soon! Thanks again, and good caving, Dave -- Dave Jackson CaveSim LLC www.CaveSim.comhttp://www.cavesim.com/ Like CaveSim on Facebook and follow @CaveSim on Twitter cell: 914 330 7824 Cave Safely, Cave Softly, CaveSim UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org To unsubscribe: dfwgrotto-requ...@dfwgrotto.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Texascavers] Poison ivy at Paradise Canyon
It seems to me that the people who came down with cases of poison ivy dermatitis were people who cut and gathered firewood for the hot tub, sauna and campfires. Good thing that it seems there was no poison ivy that got burned in the campfires, otherwise we'd have people in worse shape from breathing the fumes. Thanks to y'all that worked on getting firewood, I'm terribly sensitive to poison ivy and I've had my dose for this summer from a caving trip in TAG over Labor Day. BTW, people who are sensitive to urushiol probably should be happy that they have an active T-cell-mediated immune response. Though it's a pain the behind to deal with the symptoms, at least you know that your immune system is working properly. I wonder if my symptoms will lessen by the time I'm in my 80's? Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biophysics 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 23 Oct 2013 16:06:44 -0000 Issue 1870
texascavers Digest 23 Oct 2013 16:06:44 - Issue 1870 Topics (messages 22943 through 22951): Poison Ivey and Climate Change 22943 by: Josh Rubinstein Re: Poison-ivy and Karst 22944 by: Gill Edigar 22945 by: Phil Winkler 22949 by: Bob West Re: Poison-ivy 22946 by: Gill Edigar 22947 by: Tom Rogers 22948 by: Tom Rogers 22951 by: Mary Thiesse Anacardiaceae 22950 by: BMorgan994.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- The higher CO2 is not only promoting an abundance of Poison Ivey but making it more potent. See http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/features/climate-change-brings-super-poison-ivy After a lifetime in the woods, it is only in the last decade that I have been effected by the toxin. Josh ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- I forgot to mention an apocryphal story regarding my East Texas cousins who were Piney Woods squirrel hunters in their youth and often came home with poison ivy lesions. My aunt used an old procedure that involved my cousins taking a certain number (which I don't remember) of ripe poison ivy seeds by mouth for several (again, I don't remember how many) days. They were, reportedly, cured of their sensitivity to poison ivy--or, at least, it was greatly diminished. --Ediger On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: Poison-ivy and Karst How cave related can you get?? (I'll do everything I can to get this site back on track) I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a youngster. Like, someone burned some brush with the vines in the pile, a half-mile away. Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after the smoke passed over me --. Fortunately my lungs did not react. When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I discovered two things: 1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream beds. 2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in) After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my extreme reaction. But I learned what George cautioned: Immunity is lost by repeated exposure. Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak. It makes TREES going up the cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs in the Big Bend. ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Pretty sure poison oak can be found in the eastern US, too. http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/poison-ivy-oak-and-sumac-leaves and sumac, too. At 10/23/2013 08:42 AM -0500, Gill Edigar wrote: I forgot to mention an apocryphal story regarding my East Texas cousins who were Piney Woods squirrel hunters in their youth and often came home with poison ivy lesions. My aunt used an old procedure that involved my cousins taking a certain number (which I don't remember) of ripe poison ivy seeds by mouth for several (again, I don't remember how many) days. They were, reportedly, cured of their sensitivity to poison ivy--or, at least, it was greatly diminished. --Ediger On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM, mailto:dirt...@comcast.netdirt...@comcast.net wrote: Poison-ivy and Karst How cave related can you get?? (I'll do everything I can to get this site back on track) I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a youngster. Like, someone burned some brush with the vines in the pile, a half-mile away. Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after the smoke passed over me --. Fortunately my lungs did not react. When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I discovered two things: 1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream beds. 2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in) After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my extreme reaction. But I learned what George cautioned: Immunity is lost by repeated exposure. Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak. It makes TREES going up the cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs in the Big Bend. ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.comwww.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6274 - Release Date: 10/23/13 ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- I remember being very sensitive to poison ivy in my early
[Texascavers] Poison Ivey and Climate Change
The higher CO2 is not only promoting an abundance of Poison Ivey but making it more potent. See http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/features/climate-change-brings-super-poison-ivy After a lifetime in the woods, it is only in the last decade that I have been effected by the toxin. Josh
[Texascavers] RE: poison ivy distribution
Somebody was saying they got poison oak in Texas, and that triggered a memory, so I looked it up. Poison oak is only found west of the Rocky Mountains. To quote Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicodendron_radicans) Poison ivy grows throughout much of North America, including the Canadian Maritime provinces, Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba, and all U.S. states east of the Rocky Mountains, as well as in the mountainous areas of Mexico up to around 1,500 m (4,900 ft). So what we have around here is good old-fashioned poison ivy. The effect of poison oak are the same however, since it is a sister species in the same genus. So it may be a moot point. But the biologist in me is a stickler for the accuracy of species ranges. Jim
texascavers Digest 23 Oct 2013 13:27:21 -0000 Issue 1869
texascavers Digest 23 Oct 2013 13:27:21 - Issue 1869 Topics (messages 22932 through 22942): DFW Grotto member Jake McLeod wins Chuck Stuehm Award 22932 by: Speleosteele.aol.com PBSS member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Award at theTexas Cavers Reunion 22933 by: Bill Bentley Re: Poison-ivy 22934 by: cvreeland 22938 by: Kurt L. Menking 22939 by: Gill Edigar 22940 by: Bill Walden 22942 by: vivbone.att.net Re: Poison-ivy and Karst 22935 by: Gill Edigar 22936 by: Charles Goldsmith Message from the CaveSim guy 22937 by: Bill Steele Re: poison ivy distribution 22941 by: Jim Kennedy Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- October 21,2013 Dallas/Fort Worth Grotto member Jake McLeod wins Chuck Stuehm Award at the Texas Cavers Reunion... The Chuck Stuehm Award —An Annual Grotto Award for Exceptional New Cavers Have you ever heard of the Chuck Stuehm Award? It is an award for new and exceptional cavers, and can be awarded to one new caver in each grotto in Texas. The award is named after Chuck Stuehm (pronounced “ Steam”), who was a caver in San Antonio, and was especially good at welcoming, working with, and encouraging new cavers. Chuck's memory is honored every time a new, exceptionally exuberant caver receives this award. Every grotto has the opportunity to encourage new cavers by selecting a new caver for this award every year. Chuck died an untimely death on January 31, 1980 at the age of 52. An issue of the Texas Caver was a memorial issue for Chuck, outlining many of his accomplishments in caving. At the same time the Chuck Stuehm Award was established to be awarded annually to an outstanding new caver in each grotto at the Texas Cavers’ Reunion (TCR). The Chuck Stuehm Award Requirements: The only requirement for the award is that the caver has been caving two years or less and shows an high level of enthusiasm for and interest in caving. Selection of the recipient is by the grotto in whatever way they choose. Often the officers will choose the recipient after consulting some of the more active members of the grotto, keeping the award a surprise until TCR. Often the grotto will also honor the recipient at the next grotto meeting after TCR. Jake will be treated to a free dinner after our meeting tomorrow night. The Chuck Stuehm Award Prize: The prize is one year's membership to the TSA (Texas Speleological Association) and a shiny certificate suitable for framing. If the winner is already a TSA member they will receive one year's extension of membership. This year’s Chuck Stuehm Award winners were announced at TCR on October 19th, 2013. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- October 19,2013 Permian Basin Speleological Society member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Award at the Texas Cavers Reunion... The Chuck Stuehm Award -An Annual Grotto Award for Exceptional New Cavers Have you ever heard of the Chuck Stuehm Award? It is an award for new and exceptional cavers, and can be awarded to one new caver in each grotto in Texas. The award is named after Raymond Chuck Stuehm (pronounced Steam) who was a member of several Grottos in the San Antonio area and was especially good at guiding, working with, and encouraging new cavers. Chuck's memory is honored every time a new, exceptionally exuberant caver receives this award. Every grotto has the opportunity to encourage new cavers by selecting a new caver for this award every year. Chuck Stuehm died an untimely death on January 31, 1980 at the age of 52. A memorial issue of the Texas Caver was a memorial issue for Chuck, outlining many of his accomplishments in caving. At the same time the Chuck Stuehm Award was established for to be given to an outstanding new caver in each grotto each year at Texas Cavers' Reunion (TCR), which was then called the Old Timers' Reunion. The Chuck Stuehm Award Requirements: The only requirement for the award is that the caver has been caving two years or less and shows an unusual enthusiasm and interest in caving, and all aspects of caving. Selection of the recipient is by the grotto in whatever way they choose. Often the officers will choose the recipient after consulting some of the more active members of the grotto, keeping the award a surprise until TCR. Often the grotto will also honor the recipient at the next grotto meeting after TCR. The Chuck Stuehm Award Prize: The prize is one year's membership to the TSA (Texas Speleological Association) and a shiny certificate suitable for framing. If the winner is already a TSA
[Texascavers] Etiquette for Alzheimer's victims
Can I please be removed from the Poison ivy thread? Guys, trim your replies. You are replying to BOTH the senders AND the list. We get two emails from you. Please. We have had this discussion before. What part of do not use the reply button don't you get? It is bad enough to babble nonsense, but to do so in a manner that repeats all previous nonsense ad infinitum is an indicator of senility. Allow me to repeat myself. Say something original or say nothing at all, express yourself clearly using full sentences and correct punctuation, and NEVER EVER REPLY TO A THREAD without first deleting all extraneous nonsense! It is worthy of note that because I subscribe to the Digest version I couldn't even reply if I wanted to. _texascavers-digest-help@texascavers.com_ (mailto:texascavers-digest-h...@texascavers.com) will not accept replies. That is why each and every post I have ever made has a different subject line, and rarely if ever do I ever include a header with any information other than the minimum reference necessary to enable the reader to understand what is being discussed. Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder is apparently not just a disease of teenagers, so please take whatever drugs are necessary to help you think and express yourself clearly then tell us all a well composed karst related story. Crawling through a poison ivy tunnel qualifies, but just tell it once! Sleazeweazel
[Texascavers] Anacardiaceae
Y'all sound like a bunch of old women sitting around the kitchen swapping folk tales. Many members of the Anacardiaceae produce Urushiol which sometimes causes contact dermatitis among those who are allergic to the substance. It is not a contact poison, it is an allergen, the response to which is often systemic. That is why blisters often pop up in places where the person could not have possibly have come in contact with the leaves, and why washing doesn't help. By the time you start itching the problem has gone systemic and your whole body is reacting. Aside from poison ivy which grows damn near everywhere, there are two species of Toxicodendron which are called poison oak, one of which grows in the east and one out west. Here in Florida we have Poison ivy (Toxicodendron radicans), Poison oak (T. pubescens), and occasionally Poison Sumac (T. vernix). Some folks are allergic to other members of the Anacardiaceae such as mangoes, but for the deluxe tour I recommend Poisonwood (Metopium toxiferum), a pretty small tree resembling the pigeon plum which is common throughout the Caribbean. I am generally not allergic to poison ivy and other such things and can wade right through the stuff, but enough is enough. Once upon a time I landed a contract to cut a nature trail around an uninhabited island in the Bahamas. Poisonwood constituted something like a quarter of the vegetative biomass of the island, and as mentioned is difficult to distinguish from pigeon plum. Bahamian workers are inert, so that meant I had to do all the work of chopping and hauling while they stood around smoking dope and complaining about having to be in the wood where they could fall victim to either snakes and Duppies (both imaginary) or poisonwood. On the leeward side the trees grew about thirty feet tall which meant that logs had to be carried on one's shoulders. The logs were of course dripping black poison which ran down my sweaty neck. That was bad enough and by the third day I was starting to have a generalized reaction. About that time the trail swung around to the windward side where the trees were only four feet tall but still arm thick. It was an absolutely impenetrable scrub that was impervious to even the sharpest machete. Only a chain saw would work but there were several complications. The Bahamians had destroyed the chainsaws by cutting into rocks (they did this both out of stupidity and because they long ago learned that if the tools were broken they could just stand there doing nothing). Furthermore, to cut any of the gnarly stunted trees required crawling on one's hands and knees (without knee pads) on the jagged karst in the hundred degree heat. As a result, the urushiol vaporized by the dull chainsaw blade blasted straight back into my face. That did the trick. After I was blinded a Bahamian stepped forward out of perverse pride. After he went down another tried. After that the whole crew was medivaced out by speedboat. It seems that the poison concentration in the leaves and stems is much greater on the windward side of the island. Despite all that I have reacted to urushiol only once since. I must share one more story about that trip. It was my habit to go far ahead with my machete to scout the way and leave a trail for the workers. Invariably I would come back to find them sitting down smoking dope and listening to some story being told by Mr. Fuzzy the crew chief (a fellow whose 350 lbs wife was eaten by a pack of wild dogs in the streets of Nassau). So I came back to find the men sitting there laughing hysterically. I asked what was so funny and was told, Missa Boos Missa Fuzzy him find a ting nobody can say what it is. Mr. Fuzzy might have been lazy but he did love to lift up rocks to look for land crabs with which to make crab soup. In lifting up a rock he had found something inexplicable. Now bear in mind that this was an uninhabited island in the middle of nowhere, that the scrub is effectively impenetrable, that the trail I was cutting did not follow any preexisting path, and that there were millions of rocks. The men pointed to a specific rock and asked, Missa Boos what de ting neef dat rock? I lifted the rock to discover a pink gelatinous mass and poked it with some trepidation then lifted it up to discover that it was a home made artificial vagina cast in latex. I can only attribute it to the drug smugglers who had crashed an airplane on the island and had apparently lived there for some time as castaways using the wings of the crashed plane for shelter. It was a disappointment that the bales were all empty. Sleaze
Re: [Texascavers] Anacardiaceae
In a message dated 10/23/2013 1:21:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, power_lou...@hotmail.com writes: I just have one question, why did they want to put a nature trail in an area with such toxic vegetation? Cuz it was a cruise ship destination! Originally known at Little Stirrup key it was renamed Coco Cay by the total scumbags at Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines. The mothership would park offshore then send up to 4000 tourons at a time to the man made beach where they would line up in lawn chairs like sardines in a can only packed tighter. There they would roast in the sun. Needless to say it wasn't any fun so they hired top dollar consultants who did a study which determined that a nature trail would alleviate some of the crowding. The island is quite beautiful in a wretched sort of way but impossible to experience because of jagged karst and impenetrable scrub so I whacked out a 2.5 mile trail that encircled the island. It visited all the old lignum vitae trees, karst features, hidden beaches, conch camps, dope drops, etc. I made it a point to remove all the poisonwoods that were within easy touching distance and to visit all the rare plant communities. The scrub is beautiful and botanically diverse with lots of endemics but without thinning it is impossible for a moron touron to see the forest for the trees. I made about $300/hour swinging a machete which made me an object of envy for all Mexicans. Unfortunately the aforementioned scumbags only wanted to be able to say they had a nature trail so they didn't buy the next phase improvements which included cool spots with interpretation, etc. These were the same Disneyfied idiots who had a fake Blackbeard's grave but wouldn't admit that present day pirates were still crashing planes full of dope, all of which I wanted to make part of the story. SW
