Re: [tw5] Do you already use https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ ?

[Abraham Samma]

Plus, the Discourse site does not leak emails oh so liberally like GG!

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 12:39:09 AM UTC+3 abes...@gmail.com wrote:

> The Discourse interface makes it far better than GG, especially on mobile 
> imho. I think there are a couple of things the moderators and admins should 
> consider:
>
> 1. Allow cross-site replies; as seen above, it seems folks would prefer 
> being able to reply to GG posts from Discourse to ease the transition
> 2. Allow easy access to GG posts from Discourse, especially if the above 
> is technically unfeasible or difficult. Currently, one cannot easily click 
> somewhere on Discourse to go straight to the GG post. One has to either 
> manually search or click on some bookmarked link, and then find the post 
> manually.
>
> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 3:34:45 AM UTC+3 clutterstack wrote:
>
>> I've logged in, but was unable to reply to a GG post over there, so came 
>> back here. :P
>>
>> I don't have a lot to say about it yet, but will come back to try it more.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 4:28:39 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Also it should be mentioned that those who join the new forum will not 
>>> miss any post on Google Forum! as the new forum mirror GG forum!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 12:41 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>>
 It would be great if we could get more community members to join the 
 new forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ and use it for discussions, 
 and provide feedback on how they find the user experience.

 Note that you can log in with a Google or Github account, or create a 
 new user account specifically for the forum.

 Saq

 On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 11:30:28 AM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> The new Discourse forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ is an 
> experiment at this stage. At the moment, there's two way sync with Google 
> Groups, but if people like the new system then we will migrate fully over 
> to it.
>
> We'll be discussing it at the TiddlyWiki community call in a few hours 
> time:
>
>
> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/aug-17th-2021-community-call-core-savers-syncers-upload-plugin-discourse-forum/28
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
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>
> On 17 Aug 2021, at 09:23, Mohammad Rahmani  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thanks for sharing BTC!
> I would like to have one central place to be informed about TW!
>
> Is this the one I wished?
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 12:22 PM BurningTreeC  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi tiddlywikians,
>>
>> there's this new TiddlyWiki forum at https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/
>>
>> Is the google group still a thing for you or are you going to move to 
>> the new Forum?
>>
>> just out of interest :)
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> BTC
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[tw5] Re: Lean canvas creator plugin

[Abraham Samma]

Thanks for sharing that Julio. Appreciated.

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[tw5] Re: Lean canvas creator plugin

[Abraham Samma]

Oh yeah! That is a really good add on. But since it already exists as a usable 
separate tool, I'd advise others to use that in conjunction with the LCC.

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[tw5] Re: Lean canvas creator plugin

[Abraham Samma]

Or perhaps by new item you mean the different items within the actual canvas? 
If so, I'm working on it.

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[tw5] Re: Lean canvas creator plugin

[Abraham Samma]

Noted. I'll experiment and poke around.

As a side note, this problem of lost useful tw5 plugins is also another thing 
I'm working to solve in conjunction with developing a Maarfapad hosted app for 
my wife's clinic. The dynalist compilation is very, very useful but somewhat 
limited. I hope to have something interesting to present come the end of 
January.

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[tw5] Re: Lean canvas creator plugin

[Abraham Samma]

In afraid the confusing mechanism is a result of some discussion I had on 
Twitter that showing a new tiddler draft containing the template code would 
confuse tw5 newbies (this is aiming to cater to their needs).

This is a dirty way of obfuscating that. I'll think of something better ;)

BTW, each project tiddler created already has a delete project and contents 
button.

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[tw5] Re: Lean canvas creator plugin

[Abraham Samma]

And yes, a vertical tab view will be beneficial coming to think of it.

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[tw5] Re: Lean canvas creator plugin

[Abraham Samma]

Yes, you got me there! I prefer keeping the sidebar closed constantly so this 
is my wide view bias. I haven't figured out how to adequately squeeze in 
everything without resorting to overflow scroll.

I'm glad you like it. It's a tool that I use a lot so expect some updates in 
the near future.

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[tw5] Re: Lean canvas creator plugin

[Abraham Samma]

Thanks TonyM. I assume the 3rd advise is something akin to what's under the 
more tab, correct?

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[tw5] Lean canvas creator plugin

[Abraham Samma]

Hello all,

In the startup world, feel like the lean canvas tends to be underused. I 
think it is because of a perceived sense of difficulty in a managing such a 
tool in practice.

To that end, I've created this lean canvas creator tool plugin. It's 
convenient to use and lends itself very well to long-term archiving. You 
can create hundreds of projects and each project can have hundreds of lean 
canvases.

You can access it here: 
https://abesamma.github.io/lean-canvas-creator/index.html

Pull requests (a demo of your addition or fix will receive great 
appreciation) and suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

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[tw5] Re: Can we build RESTful-like HTTP APIs using Tiddlers? Yes! 

[Abraham Samma]

Absolutely. It's also possible to add a filter url query so you can filter 
what tiddlers you'd like the API endpoint to supply to TiddlyWiki:

e.g 
/pub/mytiddlers?filter=[your filter here]

I am still brainstorming how to do this but I think this would be an 
interesting feature to have.

On Saturday, January 26, 2019 at 5:09:00 AM UTC+3, TonyM wrote:
>
> Abraham,
>
> Related but not directly to API's is this path I have requested support 
> for, and may suggest an avenue for pseudo API's
>
> That is: *do not have them in tiddlywiki but allow tiddlywiki to make use 
> of them.*
>
> Help from Web Developer - iframe interaction 
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/tiddlywikidev/ydqLZRzrs8I>
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Saturday, January 26, 2019 at 5:29:37 AM UTC+11, Abraham Samma wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Tony. Yes docs will be coming along shortly.
>>
>> On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 4:59:32 AM UTC+3, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Abraham,
>>>
>>> Exciting stuff, I thought such approaches were open to us but could not 
>>> articulate it. I understand your suggestion enough to be very excited, but 
>>> also know insufficient to implement it once available without a bit more 
>>> background. Please try and fill out the documentation for a less 
>>> experienced developer but TiddlyWiki supper user. If nothing else please 
>>> make reference the the technologies and methods one needs to know to 
>>> implement this. 
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 10:44:46 AM UTC+11, Abraham Samma wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all ,
>>>>
>>>> While solving the problem of making wikis hosted at Maarfapad 
>>>> <http://maarfapad.com> public, I hit upon the idea of designing 
>>>> working HTTP APIs (that do not simply store tiddlers, but allow you to 
>>>> create any kind of X as a service you can imagine) *using nothing but 
>>>> tiddlers*. We could call there tiddlers *design tiddlers  *for your 
>>>> API.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like your inputs. I'll be releasing the first working version of 
>>>> this project based on your comments.
>>>>
>>>> Read about it here: 
>>>> https://abesamma.github.io/maarfapad-blog/index.html
>>>>
>>>> Thanks 
>>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Can we build RESTful-like HTTP APIs using Tiddlers? Yes! 

[Abraham Samma]

Thanks Tony. Yes docs will be coming along shortly.

On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 4:59:32 AM UTC+3, TonyM wrote:
>
> Abraham,
>
> Exciting stuff, I thought such approaches were open to us but could not 
> articulate it. I understand your suggestion enough to be very excited, but 
> also know insufficient to implement it once available without a bit more 
> background. Please try and fill out the documentation for a less 
> experienced developer but TiddlyWiki supper user. If nothing else please 
> make reference the the technologies and methods one needs to know to 
> implement this. 
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 10:44:46 AM UTC+11, Abraham Samma wrote:
>>
>> Hello all ,
>>
>> While solving the problem of making wikis hosted at Maarfapad 
>> <http://maarfapad.com> public, I hit upon the idea of designing working 
>> HTTP APIs (that do not simply store tiddlers, but allow you to create any 
>> kind of X as a service you can imagine) *using nothing but tiddlers*. We 
>> could call there tiddlers *design tiddlers  *for your API.
>>
>> I'd like your inputs. I'll be releasing the first working version of this 
>> project based on your comments.
>>
>> Read about it here: https://abesamma.github.io/maarfapad-blog/index.html
>>
>> Thanks 
>>
>

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[tw5] Can we build RESTful-like HTTP APIs using Tiddlers? Yes! 

[Abraham Samma]

Hello all ,

While solving the problem of making wikis hosted at Maarfapad 
 public, I hit upon the idea of designing working 
HTTP APIs (that do not simply store tiddlers, but allow you to create any 
kind of X as a service you can imagine) *using nothing but tiddlers*. We 
could call there tiddlers *design tiddlers  *for your API.

I'd like your inputs. I'll be releasing the first working version of this 
project based on your comments.

Read about it here: https://abesamma.github.io/maarfapad-blog/index.html

Thanks 

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[tw5] Re: Easier way to tweak Sidebar background?

[Abraham Samma]

Link to open issue: 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3503#issue-374675264

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[tw5] Easier way to tweak Sidebar background?

[Abraham Samma]

Hi all,

Regarding the subject above, I have just realised, after so long, that TW5 
has no easy means of changing the sidebar background (you can only change 
the foreground colours).

Consequently, if I want to give the sidebar background a BLACK colour when 
I shift to a dark theme, I have to employ this hack/tiddler and label it 
with the system tag $:/tags/Stylesheet every time I need to change it.

div.tc-sidebar-scrollable {
<$set name="cssVar" filter=
"[title[$:/state/sidebar]field:text[yes]]" value="linear-gradient(to right, 
transparent, black 5%);" emptyValue="" >
background: <>

}

I wanted to know how you go about achieving this effect using nothing but 
native control panel settings before I open a new issue on the repository.

Thanks.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Using Tiddlywiki5 as a SAAS

[Abraham Samma]

Hi Cyrill,

Option 2 and 3 are interesting to me because I also have been thinking
about creating "data apps" that can be used to create mashups inside
TiddlyWiki. The Bob architecture might interest you. Your users can
subscribe to your wiki or other wikis and download tiddlers that they
require and not more than that.

Look around the forum for Bob.

Cheers.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 10:00 AM Cyrill <2rig...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hi & Thanks,
>
>
>
> I appreciate your helpful link and hints. Ithink in the first time it make
> sense to test how the editions "noteself" and "Maarfapad" can fullfill my
> exigencies.
>
>
>
> As you stated Software as a Service seems to have many faces, especially
> concerning Tiddly Wiki.
>
> That is why I'd like to precise the requirements of the architecture I
> have in mind.
>
>
>
> 1. In the  past years I followed with great interest the development of
> the Tiddly Wiki. As a standalone solution I used it to organize domain
> specific contents. I am using the tagging and semantic concept to establish
> a taxonomy between tiddlers and their contents.
>
>
>
> 2. A view month ago I go the feeling that the TiddlyWiki I created could
> be of value and I began to think about how it could be delivered to other
> users. As the Wiki has become quite big I had to realize that it takes to
> long to downlod the TiddlyWiki in complete. So I thought that I need a
> solution that is abled to divide the contents. The end user does not need
> all content all the time. Especially when I begin to create a second and a
> third expert system. So my requirement to a architecture would be to store
> the tiddlers in a database and restore them as a mashup dynamically. I do
> not know what is going to happen to any plugins. But I hope it will be
> transparent.
>
>
>
> 3. My users should be able to download mashups if they are allowd to do
> so. A user can have one to many expert roles. And by that does have access
> to at least one mashup. The mashup results in a static content, that a user
> can edit and store in his own profile.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Cyrill
>
> Am Mittwoch, 17. Oktober 2018 02:12:59 UTC+2 schrieb Abraham Samma:
>>
>> Not at all. Yeah, most words in English with double "a", if any (Canaan
>> for example) in them are borrowed from other languages so I can understand
>> your pain. 
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 3:08 AM TonyM  wrote:
>>
>>> Abraham,
>>>
>>> FYI: I wanted to mention your solution but had real trouble remembering
>>> the spelling maarfapad simply because "aa" is rare in English and which of
>>> the three a's are double.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 10:32:35 AM UTC+11, Abraham Samma
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Cyrill,
>>>>
>>>> You can check out my project <http://maarfapad.com>. Currently it
>>>> allows you to create a private library of personal TiddlyWikis in the
>>>> cloud, but I am actively working to give it some social abilities as well.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you think. There are plenty of implementations out
>>>> there. It just depends on what you need.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 10:07:43 PM UTC+3, Cyrill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> we know that tiddlywiki was developed as a single page application
>>>>> originally.
>>>>>
>>>>> We would like to know if it is possible and if you can recommend us a
>>>>> saas solution of tiddlywiki.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. It seems that their has been some efforts in this direction, like
>>>>> https://tank.peermore.com (tiddlyweb) shows. This seems to be a
>>>>> reference Http API that would match our needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Especially we think it is a good idea to divide the tiddly wiki
>>>>> into parts that can be matched up dynamically. By that it would be 
>>>>> possible
>>>>> to define groups of users that and assign selected contents of the wiki to
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. We think most users, ourselfs including, are using webhosting
>>>>> services that are based on apache and php.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you give us some hints, which projects have a future and come
>>>>> close to our requirements?
>>>&g

Re: [tw5] Re: Using Tiddlywiki5 as a SAAS

[Abraham Samma]

Not at all. Yeah, most words in English with double "a", if any (Canaan for
example) in them are borrowed from other languages so I can understand your
pain. 

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 3:08 AM TonyM  wrote:

> Abraham,
>
> FYI: I wanted to mention your solution but had real trouble remembering
> the spelling maarfapad simply because "aa" is rare in English and which of
> the three a's are double.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 10:32:35 AM UTC+11, Abraham Samma wrote:
>>
>> Hi Cyrill,
>>
>> You can check out my project <http://maarfapad.com>. Currently it allows
>> you to create a private library of personal TiddlyWikis in the cloud, but I
>> am actively working to give it some social abilities as well.
>>
>> Let me know what you think. There are plenty of implementations out
>> there. It just depends on what you need.
>>
>> On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 10:07:43 PM UTC+3, Cyrill wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> we know that tiddlywiki was developed as a single page application
>>> originally.
>>>
>>> We would like to know if it is possible and if you can recommend us a
>>> saas solution of tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>> 1. It seems that their has been some efforts in this direction, like
>>> https://tank.peermore.com (tiddlyweb) shows. This seems to be a
>>> reference Http API that would match our needs.
>>>
>>> 2. Especially we think it is a good idea to divide the tiddly wiki into
>>> parts that can be matched up dynamically. By that it would be possible to
>>> define groups of users that and assign selected contents of the wiki to
>>> them.
>>>
>>> 3. We think most users, ourselfs including, are using webhosting
>>> services that are based on apache and php.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you give us some hints, which projects have a future and come close
>>> to our requirements?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Kind regards.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Using Tiddlywiki5 as a SAAS

[Abraham Samma]

Hi Cyrill,

You can check out my project . Currently it allows 
you to create a private library of personal TiddlyWikis in the cloud, but I 
am actively working to give it some social abilities as well.

Let me know what you think. There are plenty of implementations out there. 
It just depends on what you need.

On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 10:07:43 PM UTC+3, Cyrill wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> we know that tiddlywiki was developed as a single page application 
> originally. 
>
> We would like to know if it is possible and if you can recommend us a saas 
> solution of tiddlywiki. 
>
> 1. It seems that their has been some efforts in this direction, like 
> https://tank.peermore.com (tiddlyweb) shows. This seems to be a reference 
> Http API that would match our needs. 
>
> 2. Especially we think it is a good idea to divide the tiddly wiki into 
> parts that can be matched up dynamically. By that it would be possible to 
> define groups of users that and assign selected contents of the wiki to 
> them. 
>
> 3. We think most users, ourselfs including, are using webhosting services 
> that are based on apache and php.
>
>
> Can you give us some hints, which projects have a future and come close to 
> our requirements?
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Kind regards.
>
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Talk Topic: TiddlyWiki as an End User Development Environment

[Abraham Samma]

Hi Josiah,

I had completely forgotten about bricolage. I'll certainly use that!
Summarizes the whole shebang.

Thanks.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018, 14:59 @TiddlyTweeter  wrote:

> A footnote to my last post which I hope adds a bit to ideas about
> "developing" stuff in TW ...
>
> I think of what I do as "tinkering" or "bricolage
> " -- a kind of DIY that is as
> much art as science.
>
> Programmatic interest is a bit different in that it provides the
> flexibility, the basis, under which "bricolage" become possible.
>
> TW is very interesting because the "bricolage" level is massive. That, I
> believe, is because the underlying architecture is skilfully designed to
> allow it.
>
> Best wishes, Josiah
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Re: [tw5] Re: Talk Topic: TiddlyWiki as an End User Development Environment

[Abraham Samma]

Thanks Mohammed for that link. I was actually looking for tiddlyshow! I
couldn't remember it's name.

Those are fantastic uses. A very broad set of use cases. I can see how
TiddlyWiki can improve productivity via bootstrapping.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018, 13:41 Mohammad  wrote:

> Dear Abraham,
>  This is great, just some small suggestion:
>
>1. Use http://tiddlyshow.tiddlyspot.com/ a TW app for your talk, it is
>a demo shows how TW can be used for presentation and competes with
>expensive tools like powerpoint
>2. In my department, people uses TW
>   1. As a database for project (small ones like student thesis)
>   2. Personal note taking
>   3. Documentation for example lab experiments, codes, programs
>   4. Couse notes (very popular)
>   5. Presentation (e.g like http://tiddlyshow.tiddlyspot.com/)
>   6. Small tutorial where they need rich texts (including audio/video)
>   7. Local webpage (single page hosted on intranet like course page)
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad
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[tw5] Talk Topic: TiddlyWiki as an End User Development Environment

[Abraham Samma]

Hello all,

I am planning to submit a talk to an important local meetup for Javascript 
developers (though attendees are experienced in all sorts of languages, 
particularly Java) in my area.

I want to make TW as an HTML5 app the centre of my talk, and show how it's 
enabling folks with no formal background in programming to create 
sophisticated apps.

I'd appreciate any quotable testimonials and accounts from such folk that I 
might include in my talk. How has TW impacted your life? Are you 
considering a formal degree/education in CS because of TW5? Or, how has TW 
affected the way you work, do business, or is it a business for you?

Input from professional programmers are also welcomed, but please 
distinguish yourself so I don't confuse it with others.

The theme is: TW5, a successful enabler of inclusive EUD in web development.

For those who are unfamiliar with the concept of EUD, see here 

.

Or download this tid file into your wiki:

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[tw5] Re: Building "TiddlyWiki as a Platform"

[Abraham Samma]

A "fake it till you make it" strategy? 

On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 3:20:33 PM UTC+3, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

>
> There are not enough vocalising people (NOT the same as disinterested) 
> because until its running full steam it can't generate them. 
>
> Another way: If you do well, you get the feedback you need after you have 
> done the work that the feedback was needed for. 
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
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[tw5] Re: Building "TiddlyWiki as a Platform"

[Abraham Samma]

Hi Mat,

I've actually been discussing with Josiah about Bob and Twederation. I am 
glad there are others who think this is worth the time and effort. And of 
course, everything should be for the betterment of the community.

Our primary concerns seem to have converged very closely so I'd be more 
than delighted to see what you've created and offer suggestions and PRs if 
I am able.

My only problem is the fact that Bob et al implementations depend on 
Nodejs. I'd prefer to keep things in a standalone file and I have reason to 
suspect a lot of ordinary users that I am targeting evidently find the 
single file form of tiddlywiki easier to understand and use.

Here's how I view the problem: my model is actually more concerned with 
streamlining the distribution network for personal projects and plugins, 
rating them and easily adding them into your wikis hosted in your account 
and vice versa. My model is more centralised (guilty as charged) and is 
more akin to a "product hunt" clone crossed with an App store (with the 
profile page being the store front for some user).

Your implementation is more like a separate app that deserves it's own 
space to grow, partly because it's decentralised nature might make it 
incompatible with Maarfapad.

However, all this won't matter much if there isn't enough interest to 
justify this project. I am running lean here so I want to minimise waste 
and not commit too much resources to building something that nobody would 
want.

Thanks for your interest. Looking forward to seeing the TW federation live!

On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 10:58:32 PM UTC+3, Mat wrote:
>
> Abraham... you're in deed on to something *huge*, and those applications 
> are a big part of what so far has been referred to as TWederation (or 
> perhaps TiddlyWiki federation)! This is what I've been nagging about for a 
> few years now. 
>
> *...and, in fact, you're about 3-4 days away from seeing it implemented!*
>
> ...because I am, currently building *almost exactly* what you're talking 
> about, even down to the terminology, on top of Jeds underlying mechanisms 
> (Bob and TWederBob); a subscriptions system and a gallery display. And once 
> we have more than one server there will be twCards, i.e a kind of identity 
> card which we (mostly Jed) developed alreadyy several months ago for the 
> first rendition of TWederation (a project that didn't scale well). Jed even 
> made a wizard to create such twCards.
>
> Now, you may be more interested in doing this for Maarfpad. No problem - 
> this is all front end stuff so it can be transferred. In fact, you're more 
> than welcome to pick up the very things I've created and tweak it for your 
> own purposes. But, better yet, I would love to cooperate and develop this 
> along with others. Jed is mostly focussed on the backend stuff and my focus 
> is on UI. One major ambition is to eventually be able to use this very 
> "platform" itself for the development of TW and TW-applications.
>
> But, may I ask that you do something: To not miss out on good ideas, may I 
> ask that you think about the things you would want to do and how to do them 
> as much as you can before I show what I've done? That way you can more 
> easily point out flaws in my implementation, i.e without having first been 
> influenced by my design choices.
>
> Jed and I are doing this for the benefit of the community because we've 
> "seen the light", i.e that TWederation will radically change the whole TW 
> project. But it is clear that friendly user interfaces are critical so this 
> project needs all the brain power it can get. I believe the things I'm 
> working on (fully dependent on Jeds TWederBob plugin and overall great 
> support) will be a "wedge" to get people to start to use this. Time will 
> tell...
>
> <:-)
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[tw5] Re: Display "Loading" message while Tiddly is not responding

[Abraham Samma]

The beauty of this method is that I don't need to worry about writing the 
JS code for controlling it's removal every time I want to make s splash 
screen animation.

Here's my attempt: a material design spinner in simple black. Attached is 
the GIF of my attempt and the tid file if you want to try it out in your 
copy of the pre-release tiddlywiki.



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> It would be nice to display a message while Tiddly is not initialized, 
> because visitors, who don't know why the page is not responding may leave 
> it after a few seconds. Is this possible?
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Re: [tw5] Display "Loading" message while Tiddly is not responding

[Abraham Samma]

This is great Jeremy. For Progressive Web apps that use a tiddlywiki, this 
is a little redundant because a splash screen is already defined in the 
manifest file, otherwise this will be super useful for other cases.

On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 12:22:43 PM UTC+3, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’ve added core support for splash screens here:
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/cfb2d7c9c8d899729b67864070d1958b35cc0ca2
> (And fixing a typo: 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/86f2de0ddaacc999e875121d9a941ef214ea0436
> )
>
> You can see an example splash screen on the prerelease:
>
> *https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Creating%20a%20splash%20screen 
> *
>
> The example splash screen demonstrates using CSS animations and images.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
> On 1 Sep 2018, at 10:50, bimlas > wrote:
>
> I just merged the SplashScreen and the removing of it in to one tiddler:
>
> 
> // Remove splash screen when Tiddly is loaded (doesn't work in older IEs)
> document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', function(){ 
>   document.body.style.backgroundImage = 'none';
> }, false);
> 
>
>
> 
> body {
>   height: 80vh;
>   background-position: center center;
>   background-repeat: no-repeat;
>   background-image: url("data:image/gif;base64,IMAGE_DATA...");
> 
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki is a platform?

[Abraham Samma]

Dear TonyM,

Will this help TW become a bigger platform? 


Would appreciate your valuable feedback.

Cheers.

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[tw5] Building "TiddlyWiki as a Platform"

[Abraham Samma]

Hello all,

For the past week I've been brainstorming a way to truly transform the 
TiddlyWiki community into a TiddlyWiki Social Platform that can really 
supercharge TiddlyWiki's visibility and adoption, as well as help kickstart 
a new way of sharing and following productive and creative members of the 
community.

*Problem*

Currently, the means of distributing, showcasing and managing TiddlyWiki 
projects are scattered throughout the web (tiddlyspot, github, gitlab) and 
divorced from the means of providing feedback, discussion (this forum).

While Github has an all-in-one offer of managing a community of 
contributors and users in a single repository (issues, repo wiki), many of 
TW's users are end-users and/or end-user programmers who might not prefer 
to open a github account, or would prefer a simpler and more streamlined 
way of making an deploying a TW project as in tiddlyspot as well as 
obtaining feedback and discuss issues (project specific forum).

*Solution*

I've created a simple wireframe to illustrate the solution: a complete 
social network framework for tiddlywiki that improves upon the tiddlyspot 
model. It has 3 main features:


   1. An "Explore page" or gallery page that is automatically updated to 
   show off TiddlyWiki projects hosted by users, organised by popularity or 
   genre or use. This page could act as a "social feed" for TiddlyWiki projects
   2. Clicking on a project in the "explore page" takes you to the TW page 
   that hosts a plugin, blog or what not that you find interesting. I could 
   implement a means for you to "fork" a project directly into your private 
   account (like github, but streamline for TW).
   3. A "Profile" page can be automatically created for you when you 
   publish a TW project to the network, to talk about yourself and to collate 
   all your TW projects into a single portfolio page. I could add a means for 
   you to customise this page. I think this is a great way of building a name 
   on your TW projects.
   4. Killer opportunity: You could also "subscribe" to profiles or 
   specific TW projects to receive push notifications whenever say "Abraham" 
   publishes a new project or updates a plugin page.
   
The main potential benefit gained here is that users who are unfamiliar 
with platforms like Github will now have an easier to grok alternative to 
publish and manage wikis online and build a name for themselves using 
TiddlyWiki.

I had originally envisioned this as an internal tool for Maarfapad. The 
backend will allow me to quickly build all this over the coming weeks. This 
is an ambitious project to say the least. I want to know if this forum 
believes it is worth building this as an open tool for everyone to use? Do 
you find it useful? Please let me know.

Attached below is an ascii wireframe summarising the proposed solution.

This was all inspired by another thread about TW as a platform.

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki is a platform?

[Abraham Samma]

Maybe what a TW platform might need is an "intercom" for easy and 
accessible customer service?

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 5:40:17 PM UTC+3, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

>
> Personally I'm interested in "first reception" because I really am not 
> clear how well beginners manage in their first days.
>
> Best wishes
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki is a platform?

[Abraham Samma]

Hi Tony,

Personally I've found it very tough to explain what TiddlyWiki and the 
possibilities it offers without confusing them. It would make a nice 
opportunity to A/B test on-boarding approaches.

The most successful approach I've had so far is to uses one-liner analogies 
(e.g. a facebook for cats). People get that almost instantly. I haven't yet 
found a perfect analogy, but here are a few I can offer:

   1. An excel sheet in the form of a notebook (not to be taken literally 
   but it gives an idea that is not just a fancy WYSIWYG notebook and editor)
   2. It's evernote, but for those who want more creativity control
   3. A more open evernote app
   4. A programmable notebook (my personal favourite because it is succinct)

I could go on, but I'll end here. Can anyone come up with something better 
that captures the platform part?

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[tw5] Re: Preparing Maarfapad v1.0: Your wish list

[Abraham Samma]

My thoughts exactly. Especially if you could collect basic analytics with 
it to judge uptake of your work (just thinking out loud).

Thanks for your valuable input!

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 9:26:32 PM UTC+3, HansWobbe wrote:
>
> Abraham:
>
> My evaluation of how Maarfapad meets my particular needs is proceeding 
> quite well and is certainly encouraging.  As a result, I can already see 
> that a  "... public with a single click ..." option would make this an 
> attractive hosting option I would use.
>
> Regards,
> Hans
>
>
> On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 3:23:57 AM UTC-4, Abraham Samma wrote:
>>
>> Hi Guille,
>> ...
>>
>  
>
>> I am infact considering giving users the ability to make hosted wikis 
>> public with a single click, but I it still is a work in progress. We'll 
>> see. Thanks for your inputs.
>>
>
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[tw5] Re: Preparing Maarfapad v1.0: Your wish list

[Abraham Samma]

Hi Guille,

Thanks for the encouraging response. Encryption of content in Maarfapad is 
guaranteed by TW's built-in encryption tool (fyi I've already had atleast 
one user complain about forgetting their password to their TW. I could only 
sympathize :-( but atleast got a takeaway of TW's security) and only you 
can decrypt them. Saved wikis with password act as a second layer of 
authentication for your account's wikis.

The password for your account is hashed and salted before it is saved to 
Maarfapad during sign up, so they're useless in someone else's hands. HTTPS 
is guaranteed too unless you add third party image attachments or links in 
your wiki.

I am infact considering giving users the ability to make hosted wikis 
public with a single click, but I it still is a work in progress. We'll 
see. Thanks for your inputs.

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 8:58:23 AM UTC+3, Guille Rmo wrote:
>
> Hi Abraham. To me one of the most important issues when thinking to host 
> my notes in someone else's server is security and privacy. Do you encrypt 
> data on your servers? It is one of the things I have thought I'd like to 
> contribute, but I think it would require way more knowledge about how 
> tiddlywiki works in the backend and when it loads user tiddlers. I think it 
> should be encrypted in the backend and it should only be decrypted on the 
> client side. Of course this introduces the risk of losing your data if you 
> can't remember your password. But for me that risk is better than trusting 
> my personal notes to someone else.
>
> You could also host public TWs that act as blog websites. So you can edit 
> the TW and then publish a TW with no edit capabilities and a simple 
> template.
>
> Anyway, just to mention a couple of ideas I have had about TW. 
> Congratulations on maarfapad. I think hosting TW is a great business option 
> and I hope you succeed at it. 
>   
> Regards,
> Guillermo.
>
> El sábado, 15 de septiembre de 2018, 7:10:33 (UTC-6), Abraham Samma 
> escribió:
>>
>> Hello all ,
>>
>> Thank you all who have taken time to try out or use Maarfapad 
>> <https://maarfapad.cloudno.de>, a private hosting service for your 
>> wikis. 
>>
>> I am now looking forward to improving the service in anticipation of v1.0 
>> release. There are a lot of stuff I find interesting but they're currently 
>> partially implemented or not at all. Such as:
>>
>>
>>1. Automatic backup to local folder option (without the need for an 
>>extension) when offline or after a failed save to the online service. 
>>Currently Maarfapad saves to the browser local cache via a service worker 
>>after every save. This option can currently be switched off if you want 
>> to 
>>use another saving method.
>>2. A social sharing mechanism. A lot of you want this "feature" 
>>though I still am not exactly sure what you all want in this regard. 
>>Perhaps something along the lines of a "Slideshare" like site for 
>>TiddlyWiki. Or may be a WordPress like service (*WikiPress *)?
>>3. PS. Almost forgot, I will add more editions of TW that you will be 
>>able to create with a single click and add into your Maarfapad account. I 
>>could extend this feature to allow you to add any TW project you see 
>> online 
>>to your account.
>>
>> Feel free to air your opinions. I will consider them all.
>>
>> Thank you all again. Bookmark Maarfapad's Blog 
>> <https://abesamma.github.io/maarfapad-blog/index.html> if you want to 
>> keep track of project updates.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Preparing Maarfapad v1.0: Your wish list

[Abraham Samma]

I am afraid nodejs solutions won't apply to Maarfapad so you can't install 
Bob server. However, I'll take this as a personal challenge to come up with 
something compatible to Bob server. It shouldn't be too hard (as I proceed 
to prove myself wrong (>_<) ).

On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 11:04:45 PM UTC+3, Mat wrote:
>
> Let me emphasize something here though: while I could implement a lot of 
>> stuff in the backend, I'd like to limit that in the name of transparency 
>> (and reducing technical debt) and instead encourage these implementations 
>> using client logic.
>>
>
> I get your point but just so no misunderstanding; it is not possible to 
> achieve the "connected wikis" by only doing things on the client TW side. 
> Or, are people allowed to install, say, the Bob server on Maarfapad, I.e a 
> nodejs solution beyond the TW?
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Preparing Maarfapad v1.0: Your wish list

[Abraham Samma]

Hello Mat,

I think it would be much easier to just create a useful TWederBob edition 
(and by "edition" I mean a full file TW flavoured with specific plugins for 
a specific function e.g. A blog wiki edition for content management and 
external publishing) that you could just create and use at any time. Makes 
things easier on my end!

Let me emphasize something here though: while I could implement a lot of 
stuff in the backend, I'd like to limit that in the name of transparency 
(and reducing technical debt) and instead encourage these implementations 
using client logic.

On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 6:42:42 PM UTC+3, Mat wrote:
>
> Hi Abraham
>
> I don't know what your rights are on the server, but it would be fantastic 
> if it allowed for communication between wikis... i.e TWederation... i.e to 
> use Jeds Bob server which is a fully functioning technology now that just 
> needs better UI (something I'm working on) but also other users with 
> servers. If you have a service that both is a Bob server AND lets people 
> create public wikis... well then that will be fantastic. 
> ...For those who were around in the TiddlySpace days (not to be confused 
> with TiddlySpot) this would allow somewhat similar functionality but so 
> much more and also connections outside of the central server.
>
> If you are not really in control of the server, then it would still be 
> super if the TWs could have TWederBob plugin preinstalled. This enables 
> fetching of tiddlers from Bob servers. 
>
> 3. PS. Almost forgot, I will add more editions of TW that you will be able 
>> to create with a single click and add into your Maarfapad account. I could 
>> extend this feature to allow you to add any TW project you see online to 
>> your account.
>>
>
> You mean to effectively make a copy of a full TW, right? or do you mean 
> its possible to add specific tiddlers, say plugins, from other TWs? (Which, 
> incidentally, is exactly what TWederBob is for)
>
> <:-)
>
>
> I am now looking forward to improving the service in anticipation of v1.0 
>> release. There are a lot of stuff I find interesting but they're currently 
>> partially implemented or not at all. Such as:
>>
>>
>>1. Automatic backup to local folder option (without the need for an 
>>extension) when offline or after a failed save to the online service. 
>>Currently Maarfapad saves to the browser local cache via a service worker 
>>after every save. This option can currently be switched off if you want 
>> to 
>>use another saving method.
>>2. A social sharing mechanism. A lot of you want this "feature" 
>>though I still am not exactly sure what you all want in this regard. 
>>Perhaps something along the lines of a "Slideshare" like site for 
>>TiddlyWiki. Or may be a WordPress like service (*WikiPress *)?
>>3. PS. Almost forgot, I will add more editions of TW that you will be 
>>able to create with a single click and add into your Maarfapad account. I 
>>could extend this feature to allow you to add any TW project you see 
>> online 
>>to your account.
>>
>> Feel free to air your opinions. I will consider them all.
>>
>> Thank you all again. Bookmark Maarfapad's Blog 
>>  if you want to 
>> keep track of project updates.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Maarfapad (aka TWaaS) v0.5.0 is live

[Abraham Samma]

Thanks for trying it out! Feel free to respond with suggestions or feedback 
here or shoot an email to i...@maarfapad.xyz.

On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 11:33:13 PM UTC+3, HansWobbe wrote:
>
> Abraham:
>
> For your information:
>
> I've started using this and testing it in the ways that I generally use my 
> TW5 files.
>
> I'll respond further when I have any comments that are worth making.
>
> So, far ... So good!
>
> Thaks for sharing!!
>
> Hans
>

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[tw5] Re: Preparing Maarfapad v1.0: Your wish list

[Abraham Samma]

Interesting suggestions Josiah. Particularly "B". Will be considered.

On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 10:27:28 PM UTC+3, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Abraham
>
> A -- Let me post to Twitter from it. I can send you code for the tool. 
> Network posting built in I think would be an attraction.
>
> B -- One thing nothing else is doing is "notifications". Say I gave a 
> student rights to edit a TW, how could they notify me they were done from 
> the TW?
>
> Just thoughts
> Josiah
>
>

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[tw5] Preparing Maarfapad v1.0: Your wish list

[Abraham Samma]

Hello all ,

Thank you all who have taken time to try out or use Maarfapad 
, a private hosting service for your wikis. 

I am now looking forward to improving the service in anticipation of v1.0 
release. There are a lot of stuff I find interesting but they're currently 
partially implemented or not at all. Such as:


   1. Automatic backup to local folder option (without the need for an 
   extension) when offline or after a failed save to the online service. 
   Currently Maarfapad saves to the browser local cache via a service worker 
   after every save. This option can currently be switched off if you want to 
   use another saving method.
   2. A social sharing mechanism. A lot of you wan this "feature" though I 
   still am not exactly sure what you all want in this regard. Perhaps 
   something along the lines of a "Slideshare" like site for TiddlyWiki. Or 
   may be a WordPress like service (*WikiPress *)?
   
Feel free to air your opinions. I will consider them all.

Thank you all again. Bookmark Maarfapad's Blog 
 if you want to keep 
track of project updates.

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[tw5] Re: Maarfapad (aka TWaaS) v0.5.0 is live

[Abraham Samma]

Thanks Mat. Looks like everything is good to me.

Cheers

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[tw5] Re: Maarfapad (aka TWaaS) v0.5.0 is live

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>
> Is the intent of Maarfapad to be a private wiki only?
>

Nope. sharing wikis was the number one suggested feature. After all, 
knowledge is social, right? I want to get the design just right so we can 
all enjoy and gain from sharing wikis via Maarfapad. 


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[tw5] Re: Maarfapad (aka TWaaS) v0.5.0 is live

[Abraham Samma]

Hi Mat,

As they say, sharing is caring! :-)

With regards to what I've created, it is a server service designed to 
manage a collection of wikis (currently limited to 2 per account only for 
now).

It allows you to save your wikis to the server, or deselect that option in 
favour of any other saver you have (so you can use noteself inside 
Maarfapad for example if that is what you want).

It works as a PWA, so you can install it on your android phone as you would 
an app and it will work just as well (with offline support).

It also keeps an eye on your wikis to alert you whether you if you're about 
to overwrite the most recent revision of your wiki with an older one that 
you may have modified offline. This change feed feature isn't available in 
other services I think.

So using your criteria:

AutoBackup: NO but working on it

Browser: ALL browsers, best in Chrome

Data storage: Cloud and Browser cache (can be disabled on the fly without 
disabling the plugin)

Dependencies: External Service

Encryption: TW encryption

File or Folder: File

Format: HTML

Mobile First: YES

Muti-user: NO, purely private

OS: ANY

Portable: NO

Version: NO

Works-offline: Oh YES!

On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 12:09:56 PM UTC+3, Mat wrote:
>
> Abraham, thank you for sharing!!!
>
> I'm not 100% sure I understand what it is you've created though. Is it a 
> server service where people can host their TWs, similar to TiddlySpot? If 
> it is, in what way does it compare? (There is absolutely no skepticism in 
> me asking this, I just want to understand.)
>
> Some time ago I put up http://setup.tiddlyspot.com/ intended to tive an 
> overview of the various server, saving, etc alternatives. It would be 
> valuable if you could provide info for your creation with regards to these 
> criteira:
>
> auto-backup
> browser
> data-storage-location
> dependencies
> encryption
> file-or-folder
> format
> mobile-first
> multi-user
> os
> portable
> versioning
> works-offline
>
> If you're on that site and click on the criteria you'll see a brief 
> explanation respectively. Also, if you have other info that doesn't fit in 
> the criteria this can be seen when one clicks of the name of the "setup".
>
> Again, thank you for sharing stuff!
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Maarfapad (aka TWaaS) v0.5.0 is live

[Abraham Samma]

Hi Tony,

I am really glad you find this interesting. I have been working on this 
project for a pretty long time, and given it's my first attempt at 
fullstack development, your comments are really appreciated.

Concerning the matter of sharing the backend setup, I haven't yet decided 
HOW it will be licensed for sharing, but share it I will. We'll see in due 
time. I think all code should be shared, for the sake of transparency I 
believe. Maybe by v1.0 atleast, just so I can figure out most of the kinks 
so nobody else has to 

Concerning the difference in value, yes I have been acutely aware of this 
ever since the first beta testers started emailing me about this. I will 
continue to experiment though to see if I cannot sway your hearts 
eventually 

On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 3:30:20 AM UTC+3, TonyM wrote:
>
> Abraham,
>
> I will be testing this further but I looks good so far, very professional. 
> I see this being a great service especially for regular users who do not 
> have access to their own hosting. 
>
> *Will you be sharing the backend setup so others can implement a similar 
> system and share back their own developments?*
>
> The answer to this question may affect the degree to which I investigate 
> your solution since the value to me differs. I would not want to compete 
> providing such a service but I do want to "publish" utility wikis, and a 
> variation of your approach would be helpful. I would however respect your 
> desire to recover costs, even turn a profit providing such a hosting 
> service. 
>
> Keep in mind there is a substantial difference between members of the 
> community and end users who may use such an online tiddlywiki.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>  
>
> On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 5:15:32 AM UTC+10, Abraham Samma wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Just wanted to announce that the Personal TW collection management 
>> service called Maarfapad <http://maarfapad.com> has been updated to 
>> version 0.5.0 with features some of you might find useful. I've set up a 
>> blog 
>> page <https://abesamma.github.io/maarfapad-blog/index.html> for you to 
>> explore the supporting plugin (note it only works when the wiki is hosted 
>> within Maarfapad's domain.).
>>
>> There was previously a restriction for beta testing, *but that has now 
>> been lifted*. All are welcome. Please let me know if you find anything 
>> weird.
>>
>> Also, many of you had great suggestions for the future of Maarfapad. This 
>> project was originally intended to be a way to introduce TW to a wide 
>> audience. I have a lot of experiments to run to see what could possibly 
>> turn this into a self sustaining project and gain a wider following. The 
>> ultimate aim is to make TW as well known as WordPress or Joomla.
>>
>> Thank you to all the beta testers. Please update your plugins via this 
>> link https://abesamma.github.io/maarfapad-blog/index.html. I thank you 
>> deeply 
>>
>> Aluta continua.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Maarfapad (aka TWaaS) v0.5.0 is live

[Abraham Samma]

A demonstration of Maarfapad in action: preventing overwrites with old data.

This feature is very reliable in Chrome. There is a persistent bug in 
Firefox that causes this to shutdown after a while.

[image: Screenshot (Sep 6, 2018 20_00_46).png] 

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[tw5] Re: Maarfapad (aka TWaaS) v0.5.0 is live

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NOTICE: there was a small problem with saving your wiki a few minutes ago. 
It has now been rectified. Apologies.

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[tw5] Re: Interacitve Product tour for TiddlyWiki

[Abraham Samma]

You read my mind. Yes, we could ask TW itself to set up an environment to 
do a proper introduction. I will look into it and add some recipes to the 
demo.

Cheers

On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 12:18:22 PM UTC+3, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Abraham
>
> One thing that occurs to me is to maybe adapt one of the "slideshow" 
> mechanisms that already exist for TW to ensure that you get on screen all 
> but only what you want and then apply the hints into that already 
> controlled context?
>
> My thinking here is that a formal presentation with hints could be a good 
> combination?
>
> Just a thought
> Josiah
>
> On Tuesday, 4 September 2018 23:10:24 UTC+2, Abraham Samma wrote
>
>>
>> Keep the questions coming please!
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Maarfapad (aka TWaaS) v0.5.0 is live

[Abraham Samma]

Bonus: It's a neat progressive web app and chrome will automatically prompt 
you to install it. Feels so good to be rid of the playstore/app store!

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[tw5] Maarfapad (aka TWaaS) v0.5.0 is live

[Abraham Samma]

Hello all,

Just wanted to announce that the Personal TW collection management service 
called Maarfapad  has been updated to version 0.5.0 
with features some of you might find useful. I've set up a blog page 
 for you to explore 
the supporting plugin (note it only works when the wiki is hosted within 
Maarfapad's domain.).

There was previously a restriction for beta testing, *but that has now been 
lifted*. All are welcome. Please let me know if you find anything weird.

Also, many of you had great suggestions for the future of Maarfapad. This 
project was originally intended to be a way to introduce TW to a wide 
audience. I have a lot of experiments to run to see what could possibly 
turn this into a self sustaining project and gain a wider following. The 
ultimate aim is to make TW as well known as WordPress or Joomla.

Thank you to all the beta testers. Please update your plugins via this link 
https://abesamma.github.io/maarfapad-blog/index.html. I thank you deeply 

Aluta continua.

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[tw5] Re: Interacitve Product tour for TiddlyWiki

[Abraham Samma]

Hello Josiah,

As I have previously stated, placement of these hints is a bit tricky but 
not impossible. The API allows for some offsetting along the x and y plane 
as well as padding adjustments so you could *manoeuvre *the hints into 
place, so to speak.

And yes, it works best if there is only ONE tiddler in the story river. If 
you add more tiddlers, the CSS does not play well. I will try to see if how 
I could possibly allow for things such as adding callback on hopscotch 
events (impossible with JSON) which could allow for things like allowing 
the tutorial to go navigate to a tiddler via permalink. Needless to say, 
there are lots of things that can be improved in future versions.

Keep the questions coming please!

On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 4:50:19 PM UTC+3, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Abraham
>
> This is more questions than answers.
>
> I admit I'm not fully clear how this works.* The demo is really nea*t but 
> I could not figure out how to deal with this ...
>
>
> I'd like to be able to point to each of those icons in turn saying what 
> they do. I could not figure out how to do that minimally. For instance if 
> you have three Tiddlers in the story river could it work for just the first 
> one?
>
> I think the library is very good but I'm still hazy about whether its a 
> good fit for the dynamic way TW creates "the page"?
>
> Am I right that it can't be event driven? i.e. you need to have something 
> showing already for it to "know" what to do?
>
> Any pointers welcome.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Query -- How Fatal is the Red message "Recursive transclusion error in transclude widget"

[Abraham Samma]

No it isn't fatal. It just means TW would rather not deal with your 
recursion :)

On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 6:57:46 PM UTC+3, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I periodically see things like ...
>
> Is this error EVER fatal? I mean I never had any problem with it myself.
>
> Does it need to be so RED? It could scare a nervous person.
>
> Josiah
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Interacitve Product tour for TiddlyWiki

[Abraham Samma]

Hi Andreas,

Thanks! I think it's an awesome & essential way to onboard new users.

The need for Hopscotch was for purely pragmatic reasons. It's API was 
exactly what I had in mind when I started thinking of creating this for 
TW5. I didn't want to reinvent the wheel (I might do that later using 
purely TW5, but I can't be bothered right now). I MIGHT consider making one 
using nothing but 'native' TW, but for now, I got this.

On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 3:56:25 PM UTC+3, Andreas Hahn wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> pretty cool idea and a nice demo too, I could see it be used by people 
> doing more serious things with TW. 
>
> I am unsure though why they would need the hopscotchjs thing when 
> clearly TW has all the capabilities to do this out of the box? 
>
> /Andreas 
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Interacitve Product tour for TiddlyWiki

[Abraham Samma]

Hi Tony

Thanks. Composing tutorials only requires a valid JSON object in a tiddler 
labelled as such. Targeting elements can be a bit tricky but it is is 
usable so long as the tutorial's CSS plays well with TW's.

Hopscotch's documentation <http://linkedin.github.io/hopscotch/> explains 
the API very well. 

On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 3:23:21 AM UTC+3, TonyM wrote:
>
> Abraham,
>
> That looks great. I will have a look at how to compose them. I imagine the 
> elements could be used in other ways as well.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 3:51:28 AM UTC+10, Abraham Samma wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Last night while creating an introductory tutorial for new tiddlywiki 
>> users hosting at Maarfapad <http://maarfapad.com>I decided that the best 
>> way to improve the onboarding process for new users is to use an 
>> interactive product tour.
>>
>> I have created a plugin that allows anyone to create a tutorial for use 
>> in their own projects in TiddlyWiki. It uses LinkedIn's Hopscotchjs product 
>> tour framework. You can try it out now. 
>> <https://cdn.rawgit.com/abesamma/TW5-tutorial-maker-plugin/d430d740/Demo.html>
>>
>> <https://github.com/abesamma/TW5-tutorial-maker-plugin>
>> Find the github repo here 
>> <https://github.com/abesamma/TW5-tutorial-maker-plugin>.
>>
>> Questions and suggestions are welcomed.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: Whitespace, a negative-spacious, webapp-nostalgic theme

[Abraham Samma]

Hi JD,

I am awestruck. Your theme is by far the best I've seen for TW5. 5/5 I love 
your dedication to treating narrow screen views with the simplicity they 
deserve. Definitely deserves praise.

P.S: I am creating a Github repo to document and make available different 
versions of TW5. Could I add yours?

Regards.

On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 3:36:03 PM UTC+3, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone, theming-obsessed JD here,
>
> This might be against the grain of current UI ideas and conversations, but 
> lately I've been nostalgic about a webapp-y kind of design... So I made a 
> theme out of it, for other folks who might be into this sort of style. I 
> don't expect it would be used much, I'm just sharing for archiving 
> reasons... 
>
> Link here: http://j.d.whitespace.tiddlyspot.com/ 
>
> Thanks for the inspiring conversations, everyone. I love back-reading ☺️
>
> Perpetual lurker, 
> JD
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[tw5] Interacitve Product tour for TiddlyWiki

[Abraham Samma]

Hello all,

Last night while creating an introductory tutorial for new tiddlywiki users 
hosting at Maarfapad I decided that the best way to 
improve the onboarding process for new users is to use an interactive 
product tour.

I have created a plugin that allows anyone to create a tutorial for use for 
their own projects in TiddlyWiki. It uses LinkedIn's Hopscotchjs product 
tour framework. You can try it out now. 



Find the github repo here 
.

Questions and suggestions are welcomed.

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[tw5] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (still sort-of )

[Abraham Samma]

Hello JD,

First off, let me just say WOW to your effort to apply MD to TW5. Great job.

Second, though the app looks great and fast on desktop, it feels slightly 
but noticeably slower on a mobile phone (for understandable reasons; 
reducing animation duration to zero improves this somewhat).

Third, opening and closing the drawer to access tiddlers can get a little 
tiring. Most users would expect the drawer to automatically close after 
selecting something in mobile apps. I think we can improve this 
functionality for TW5 in general somehow.

Overall, this has great potential. Great job again.

On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 1:37:32 PM UTC+3, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> The original thread where I first shared this theme might be too long now 
> for new users (old thread here 
> ), 
> so I'm going to re-share it, along with some updates.
>
> This is my *Material Theme for TW5* (demo here: 
> http://j.d.material.tiddlyspot.com/), loosely following Google's Material 
> design guidelines. This theme has a built-in mobile layout and color 
> palettes that you can tweak at *Control Panel* > *Appearance *> *Material 
> Tweaks*
>
> I rely on your feedback and bug reports, please inform me about them here. 
>
>
> *UPDATES:*
>
>- Updated the demo site to *TW5.1.17*
>- Updated implementation of BTC's HammerWidgets and HammerJS (the 
>theme will *detect *if these two plugins are installed, and will 
>automatically apply swipe+tap capabilities specific to the theme. There's 
>no longer a need for an additional theme tiddler)
>- The theme no longer edits the palettes within it. Only the configDB 
>is being edited when tweaking the theme in *Control Panel* > 
>*Appearance *> *Material Tweaks*
>- Added links to TheDiveO's RobotoFont plugin, Material icons, and 
>BTC's widgets under the *Miscellaneous *section in *Control Panel* > 
>*Appearance *> *Material Tweaks*
>- The theme is now more mindful of the core color palettes, and will 
>look nice even when not using the Material palettes it has built-in (I've 
>recently been digging the core Blue Palette).
>- Added ability to select the default sidebar state when 
>*$:/state/sidebar* is missing (*Control Panel* > *Appearance *> *Material 
>Tweaks*)
>
> If you're updating, please delete with the following filter first: 
> *[all[shadows+tiddlers]prefix[$:/themes/jd/Material]]*
>
> -JD
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[tw5] Re: KeeBoord - global keyboard shortcuts

[Abraham Samma]

Hi BurningTreeC,

This is the plugin of my dreams!! Fantastic. Encountered no issues so far 
but I am inclined to believe that this should be the plugin of the month.

Infact, I dare say TW5 should come bundled with this plugin because it 
augments it so very well.

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 2:29:20 PM UTC+3, BurningTreeC wrote:
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> Hi folks,
>
> for those who already want to use global keyboard shortcuts within their 
> wikies, I've made a plugin and a little plugin-info-page:
>
> http://keeboord.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> have fun with it,
> BTC
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[tw5] Re: Preparing for v5.1.16

[Abraham Samma]

Great to see a new version of TW5 coming so soon. Already checking out the 
pre-release.

BTW Jeremy, I don't know if this has simply been accepted as a given but I 
sometimes find it tedious to have to deal with long "Internal JS error" 
messages that overflow beyond the screen in other browsers besides Chrome. 
There's no way to scroll through the message to get to the form button that 
closes the error message. I've had to directly modify the way the message 
is created via the domMaker method to shorten the message to prevent this 
nuisance. Shouldn't this be something deserving of a more permanent 
solution? It won't cost more than a few changes in bootjs.

A screenshot of an example in the latest stable version of firefox is 
attached

Regards.

On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 7:17:18 PM UTC+3, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> The release of v5.1.16 is overdue; the good news is that there are a lot 
> of exciting new features:
>
> * Copying to the clipboard
> * A new “sortan” filter operator for intuitive alphanumeric sorting
> * A new “rotate left” button in the bitmap editor
> * Comparison operators for the reveal widget
> * Visual diffs available in the edit preview and the import listing
> * A hugely overhauled CodeMirror plugin with many new futures, and much 
> better extensibility and customisability
> * Many improvements to the TextSlicer plugin, including customisability 
> via declarative JSON rules
> * An updated KaTeX plugin to the latest v0.9.0
> * The new DynaView plugin for building user interfaces that respond to 
> scrolling and zooming
> * Sharper and more readable default fonts
>
> In preparation for the release, I’d be grateful for as many hands as 
> possible to give the prerelease a try:
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> Please try it with your favourite plugins, or perform a trial upgrade of 
> your personal wikis. Any feedback gratefully received.
>
> If all goes well, we’ll release v5.1.16 in the next few days.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
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[tw] Re: Image storage suggestions

[Abraham Samma]

How about this: take an image url, embed into your wiki using the 

tag snippet and then cache images. The only problem you'd have to worry 
about is link rot but I believe it saves you the hassle of looking for a 
hosting service that can go bust at any time.

Cheers.

On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 6:19:21 AM UTC+3, David Allen wrote:
>
> Hey all!  I've got an image-heavy wiki and I'm trying to figure out how 
> best to include these images.
>
> I've tried the following:
>
>- Imported directly into the wiki.  This makes the wiki impossible to 
>load on my chromebook.
>- External to the wiki in the same directory: Keeps the images private 
>but does not work between Windows and Chromebook.
>- Online image hosting: I'm using Google Photos, but the URL for the 
>images changes occasionally, making it difficult to use
>
> Does anyone have any reliable solution that would be cross-platform and 
> preferably private?
>

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Re: [tw] Building a scraper service for TW5

[Abraham Samma]

Ok, Andreas, I *may* support Xpath, just not now yet.

On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 11:06:59 PM UTC+3, Andreas Hahn wrote:
>
> Hi Abraham, 
>
> that sounds pretty interesting, I've had some thoughts about that in the 
> past too, but I've never tried to do it. Are you (planning on) using the 
> Browser messaging mechanism that plugin libraries also use to inject the 
> scraped tiddlers into the TW? Will the scraping support XPATH requests? 
> (that would be really cool) 
>
> I look forward to your finished version, I'd definitely use it. 
>
> /Andreas 
>

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[tw] Re: Building a scraper service for TW5

[Abraham Samma]

I totally agree with you. I think embedding a warning about this issue into the 
service would help inform end users before they get into trouble with copyright 
law.

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[tw] Re: Best Way to Serve Large Tiddlywiki

[Abraham Samma]

I have a question, if anyone can answer it: How well does TiddlyWeb handle 
very large wikis on a remote connection? By large I mean greater than 
approaching 20mb or more.

Thanks

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[tw] Re: Building a scraper service for TW5

[Abraham Samma]

Yes I've checked out TiddlyClip. A very useful thing. Thanks for making 
this. It definitely complements what I have in mind.

On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 3:02:36 AM UTC+3, BJ wrote:
>
> Hi Abraham,
> Maybe you would be interested to have you work inter-operate with 
> tiddlyclip. Info about tiddlyclip is at tiddlyclip.tiddlyspot.com. This 
> is somewhat out of date as I have been adding a lot of new things lately. 
> The lasted version (pre release) of the tw plugin is at 
> https://github.com/buggyj/tiddlyclip-plugin/releases and the latest 
> version of the browser plugin is at 
> https://github.com/buggyj/tiddlyclip/releases.
> All the best
>
> BJ
>
> On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 6:41:15 PM UTC, Abraham Samma wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Recently I have been experimenting with building an external service for 
>> scraping and converting web articles into readable versions that can be 
>> added into a tiddlywiki. For those who use Firefox's Pocket app, it is the 
>> same concept, just for TW5 instead.
>>
>> I believe this would benefit a lot of folks who read around a lot but 
>> find it difficult to copy and paste entire articles into TW5. The wiki 
>> becomes a kind of human-run archiving system for the web.
>>
>> The API works quite well. All that's left is to integrate it with TW5. I 
>> hope to share a demo with you all when it is done. Opinions and suggestions 
>> are welcomed.
>>
>> In the meantime, have a good one.
>>
>

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Re: [tw] Building a scraper service for TW5

[Abraham Samma]

Thanks for your interest Andreas.

Xpath will not be supported for now. And no, everything is parsed by the 
server before returning it to your wiki. No browser messaging used. Spares 
me of worrying about future browser vendor support ;-)

Another reason for this design choice is:

1. You can possibly do bulk scraping operations across the web (the server 
will do most of the hardwork for you)
2. Simplicity (just drop the url that points to the resource to scrape)
3. Accessible to mobile phones because not everyone uses Firefox for mobile 
phones. So no add-ons there.

On Thursday, January 18, 2018 at 11:06:59 PM UTC+3, Andreas Hahn wrote:
>
> Hi Abraham, 
>
> that sounds pretty interesting, I've had some thoughts about that in the 
> past too, but I've never tried to do it. Are you (planning on) using the 
> Browser messaging mechanism that plugin libraries also use to inject the 
> scraped tiddlers into the TW? Will the scraping support XPATH requests? 
> (that would be really cool) 
>
> I look forward to your finished version, I'd definitely use it. 
>
> /Andreas 
>

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[tw] Re: PSA: Please license your works

[Abraham Samma]

Thanks for the exhaustive input!

On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 3:50:33 PM UTC+3, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi Abraham, 
>
> You are right. 
> IMO licenses are important and TW plugins have a well defined mechanism, 
> to distribute the license file / links with plugins. 
>
> I do have a problem with the "license now"  link you posted. From my point 
> of view, it only shows a very limited short list.
>
> IMO this alphabetical view https://opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical 
> gives a more complete list of *open source* licenses. (I know that the 
> number is overwhelming, but I'll try to shorten it later in the text ... ) 
>
> The https://opensource.org/ project page also describes the background 
> for open source licenses a little bit. So everyone can make up their own 
> opinion. 
>
>
> *What tiddlywiki.com  already uses: *
>
>  - TW core uses the BSD - 3 clause 
>  license. Also see: 
> TiddlyWiki5 Individual Contributor License Agreement [1]
>  - TW core documentation uses CC-BY 
>  Creative Commons 
> Attribution 3.0 ... Also see: [1]
>
>
> *Existing best practice for plugin authors*: 
>
>  - The plugin.info file eg: [2] contains a list-field that should list 
> minimum 2 tiddlers
> - license 
> - readme
>  - The license tiddler should contain the license text for the plugin
> - or a link to the license, if the text is much longer than the plugin 
> itself. or
> - for convenience. See: [3] 
>  - The license tiddler can contain the license text for 3rd-party licenses 
> [4]
> - Also see [1]
>
> For documentation the Creative Commons licenses make more sense, since 
> they have been designed for that purpose.
> For code OpenSource licenses make more sense since they have ... 
>
> *My personal thoughts*
>
> I think, that GPL and cousins doesn't fit well for tiddlywiki atm. They 
> are very strong, if compilers are involved. So in the future with 
> web-assembly, they may be part of future development of TW. 
>
> If a project I want to use, has a license, that doesn't fit. ... Talk to 
> the author!
>
> If I start my own plugins, I use a very restrictive license at the 
> beginning! eg: CC-BY-NC-SA 
> Because making them free is easy. ... The other way around is impossible.
>
> More responses can be found here in the group at: TiddlyWiki, licensing 
> and creative works 
>  
>
> just my thoughts
> have fun!
> mario
>
> [1] TiddlyWiki5 Individual Contributor License Agreement 
> 
> [2] 
> https://github.com/wikilabs/plugins/blob/master/wikilabs/uni-link/plugin.info#L9
>  
> [3] 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/plugins/tiddlywiki/codemirror/files/codemirror.js#L2
> [4] 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/plugins/tiddlywiki/d3/files/LICENSE
>   
>
>

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[tw] Re: PSA: Please license your works

[Abraham Samma]

PS: A relevant issue that's still open wrt this topic: 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1890

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[tw] PSA: Please license your works

[Abraham Samma]

Hello all,

A lot of TW5's powerful capabilities stem from the fantastic contributions 
of community members. Code is valuable and therefore we all require written 
permissions from authors that allows all of us to not just use plugins and 
core code, but also to remix, adapt and repackage, or even sell, legally.

Most plugins for TW5 have a proper license included that specifies what we 
can and/or cannot do with the given code. There are many types of licenses 
for different purposes. Thankfully, you do not need to get a lawyer to 
write one; BSD, GPL, MIT and Apache templates are available online for 
free. Just copy and paste it into your plugin/theme.

Unfortunately, a lot of TW5 plugins exist out there that do not have a 
proper license. Some of them accomplish really useful tasks but would take 
a lot of time to replicate (plus there would be no way of ascertaining 
whether it is an original work or not legally speaking).

This leaves a lot of developers and plugin authors helpless because we do 
not want to step on anyone's toes so to speak. We want to build and give 
credit where credit is due.

If you're a plugin author, consider finding your plugin and adding a license 
now . You'd be doing everyone here a 
solid.

Thanks for listening to this PSA. Cheers.

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[tw] Building a scraper service for TW5

[Abraham Samma]

Hello all,

Recently I have been experimenting with building an external service for 
scraping and converting web articles into readable versions that can be 
added into a tiddlywiki. For those who use Firefox's Pocket app, it is the 
same concept, just for TW5 instead.

I believe this would benefit a lot of folks who read around a lot but find 
it difficult to copy and paste entire articles into TW5. The wiki becomes a 
kind of human-run archiving system for the web.

The API works quite well. All that's left is to integrate it with TW5. I 
hope to share a demo with you all when it is done. Opinions and suggestions 
are welcomed.

In the meantime, have a good one.

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[tw] Re: Formula 0.2: Functional computing & spreadsheet formulas for TiddlyWiki

[Abraham Samma]

A little off topic here (great work Evan) but the problem of licensing or 
lack thereof is an issue for many useful TW5 plugins, here's an example 
, a useful one by 
Danielo Rodriguez but with no license (if he sees this, could he possibly 
clarify the rights given for his plugin if any). 

It would be very useful for all potential plugin authors present and future 
to please include an up to date license for your works. It really helps and 
it is super important I believe.

This probably deserves its own thread. Apologies.

On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 3:57:25 PM UTC+3, PMario wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 8:15:24 AM UTC+1, Evan Balster wrote:
>>
>> Announcing the second generation of my formula plugin for TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> See the *Formula wiki* for the latest documentation:  
>> http://evanbalster.com/tiddlywiki/formulas.html
>>
>
> Great Work!
>
> I just had a view about your licensing. ... Most of your plugins use MIT 
> license, which is great. ... But some don't have any license. ... 
>
> You also should consider, to switch those plugins, that you want to be 
> part of the TiddlyWiki core, to be "BSD 3 clause" see: [1]. OR you can also 
> use a dual license, for those parts. MIT and BSD-3clause work well together 
> but the TW core needs BSD [1]
>
> Just to be clearer. ... If you stay with MIT, it won't be a big problem, 
> because MIT allows us to change the license to BSD, once we include stuff 
> from your plugins into the core [2]. The other way around would not be 
> possible, except with a dual-license. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
> [1] 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/licenses/cla-individual.md#23-outbound-license
> [2] 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/License_compatibility#Compatibility_of_FOSS_licenses
>
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 Maarfapad edition UI revamp: feedback

[Abraham Samma]

Thanks for the valuable feedback Josiah. Yeah that "tutorial" isn't going 
to be around much longer. I wrote it *before *I this demo. Its also going 
to be revamped. I'll take your suggestions. In fact, this CDN link is 
synced to my github repo so you'll be able to the changes as I publish my 
html file.

I completely agree with you on the tiddler versus notes part.

On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 7:32:11 PM UTC+3, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Abraham
>
> It looking good. The approach is a good one to hone it down to minimal 
> steps to get started.
>
> Small points ... 
>
> -- "To your right is the *sidebar*". Well it isn't open on the demo for 
> me so its not on the right :-). Maybe mention the ">>" that opens it?
>
> -- "Everything in this wiki is written as a note or a *tiddler*" ... the 
> OR in that sentence could confuse, implying there are notes AND tiddlers. 
> You might be better with something like: "Everything in a Tiddlywiki is 
> written in "Tiddlers". A Tiddler is a kind of note, but can also include 
> images and, for more advanced users, programming code. *At start just 
> enter a text note to see how it works.*"
>
> -- "You can also create new notes by clicking the 'Create new tiddler' 
> button in the sidebar to the right." That is not correct to what I'm 
> looking at. What I see is better described: "You create new Tiddlers by 
> clicking "+" in the top bar. Its on the right." 
>
> Overall I love what you are doing with this.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 5 December 2017 20:55:55 UTC+1, Abraham Samma wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> So far the response has been very encouraging with regards to Maarfapad 
>> (personal TW cloud service) but I've received a lot of suggestions from 
>> non-aficionados (i.e. users who have never heard of and/or never used 
>> tiddlywiki) that the UI is a tad bit overwhelming. An interview with one 
>> user while she was using it showed me the extent of the problem; people 
>> WANT to use it, but are getting lost wrt to the UI. 
>>
>> So I've sought to create a new edition of TW for Maarfapad use; it boils 
>> down the UI to some essential features:
>>
>> 1. Create tiddler
>> 2. Dismiss all opened tiddlers
>> 3. Show non-system tiddlers
>> 4. Search access
>> 5. Save wiki (to the cloud)
>> 7. Show Maarfapad services in a modal box
>>
>> I showed the latest demo to the interviewer and she agrees that it looks 
>> much simpler. Its also more friendly to use on mobile. I'd appreciate any 
>> feedback and suggestions from the community.
>>
>> Do let me know if you feel if this DOES feel simpler to you all. Access 
>> the demo here. 
>> <https://rawgit.com/abesamma/TW5-editions/master/maarfapad_empty.html>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[tw] TW5 Maarfapad edition UI revamp: feedback

[Abraham Samma]

Hello all,

So far the response has been very encouraging with regards to Maarfapad 
(personal TW cloud service) but I've received a lot of suggestions from 
non-aficionados that the UI is a tad bit overwhelming. An interview with 
one user while she was using it showed me the extent of the problem; people 
WANT to use it, but are getting lost wrt to the UI. 

So I've sought to create a new edition of TW for Maarfapad use; it boils 
down the UI to some essential features:

1. Create tiddler
2. Dismiss all opened tiddlers
3. Show non-system tiddlers
4. Search access
5. Save wiki (to the cloud)
7. Show Maarfapad services in a modal box

I showed the latest demo to the interviewer and she agrees that it looks 
much simpler. Its also more friendly to use on mobile. I'd appreciate any 
feedback and suggestions from the community.

Do let me know if you feel if this DOES feel simpler to you all. Access the 
demo 
here. 

Thanks!

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[tw] Re: muuri.js library useful? any Ideas how to use this?

[Abraham Samma]

I like that Kanban setup. Should consider taking it further with this 
library.

On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 4:31:55 PM UTC+3, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> I was playing around with this library
>
> https://github.com/haltu/muuri
>
> ... got a grid working inside tw:  http://muritest.tiddlyspot.com/ *   - 
> But honestly, I don't know what I'm doing*
>
>
> I think I did a great mess initializing this, I'm a noob in javascript and 
> tw widgets ...
>
>
>
> Do you have any Ideas how to use this in a sane way?
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Abraham Samma]

That's useful information. Thanks for the the heads up. Unfortunately I 
don't have a single device near me running iOS so I can't help there lol.

Someone with iPhone, help please?

On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 12:24:11 PM UTC+3, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Abraham
>
> I was wondering if your plugin's latest version solves a problem that I've 
>> experienced when using TW via the mobile browser (chrome). Trying to write 
>> something in the editor on mobile usually brings up a javascript error 
>> (setting data to null). Is this experienced by others or is it just me?
>>
>
> I've just run into this issue as well. It's pretty disconcerting: on 
> Chrome iOS, clicking in the tiddler editor textarea for the text field of a 
> tiddler triggers a JavaScript error every time.
>
> The good news is that you can work around it by disabling the rich editor 
> toolbar in Control Panel settings.
>
> The bad news is that I have been unable to find a way to debug it. You can 
> attach an iOS device to a Mac via USB to remotely debug pages in Mobile 
> Safari, but the problem does not occur in Mobile Safari.
>
> That in itself is pretty weird, and highlights something that not 
> everybody realises: not all WebViews on iOS are the same. Over the life of 
> iOS there have been two different architectures for embedding webviews 
> within an app, with different characteristics (the newer approach is 
> generally much more secure but often less convenient for developers). I 
> strongly suspect that Chrome is still using the older approach in order to 
> be able to offer their signature features like automatic translation.
>
> One can notice the difference with sites like https://federatial.com — 
> the funky scroll effect doesn't work in browsers that use the older 
> embedding engine. 
>
> For me personally, all of this is a compelling reason to use Safari as my 
> primary browser on iOS.
>
> Anyhow, the situation is currently that I cannot find a way to debug the 
> problem, even to find out the line number of the error. Any help with this 
> is of course much appreciated.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 12:49:23 PM UTC+3, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, I tried slowly resizing my browser window, and yep, there seems 
>>> to be a completely different "Sidebar break point" or something. 
>>>
>>> Interesting to note that I tried doing this on tiddlywiki.com itself 
>>> and tiddlywiki.com/empty.html without installing the plugin. This 
>>> problem seems to be a core one (I noticed that at this strange, middle 
>>> ground, the Vanilla theme isn't applied, evidenced by the tiddler drop 
>>> shadows disappearing)
>>>
>>> I wonder what this middle breakpoint is, and how to properly style it.
>>>
>>> If there are ideas, please let me know :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 4:58:55 AM UTC+9, Diego Mesa wrote:

 Thanks Mark - I did notice that, and I saw the tb5 link above to 
 auto-hide the sidebar as well. 

 My problem is that there seems to be 3 sidebar states: 

 1. The default sidebar when my window is normal size
 2. The mobile sidebar created by this plugin
 3. A strange "middle state" that is white that appears for a very small 
 margin.

 The behavior can be seen in this gif:

 https://media.giphy.com/media/3osBLlm8SRZydLLnIA/giphy.gif


 An interesting (though nonrelated?) issue I'm having is that I use a 
 window manager (lua script running in hammerspoon) to automatically resize 
 my windows. When I resize my TW browser window, the theme does not update. 
 I have to manually wiggle the window size to get the new layout to "kick 
 in". 


 On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:53:41 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>
> On a small screen, if you have the double chevron clicked, that is 
> what happens. Just click the double chevron again (lower right corner) to 
> restore.
>
> Apologies if this is not the problem you are describing.
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:48:59 AM UTC-8, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> Hey JD,
>>
>> Thanks for this! On my TW, Im not sure why, but this is causing 
>> strange rendering where basically my sidebar isn't behaving well and 
>> ends 
>> up taking over everything. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 9:31:14 AM UTC-6, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.2*, what is possibly the last 
>>> update for a long while (I will now return to my lair and focus on 
>>> using / 
>>> discovering TW5.)
>>>
>>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> Thanks, everyone, for welcoming my stuff :)
>>>
>>> *Changelog:*
>>>
>>>- Added *Larger*, *Largest*, and *Smallest* options to font sizes
>>>- Added *Mobbuttons* option to topbar and bottombar
>>>- Added options to 

Re: [tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Abraham Samma]

Update: wrt my previous question, this problem seems to be more due to the
Codemirror plugin and not due to TW5's editor per se.

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Abraham Samma <sammadiscern...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi JD,
>
> I was wondering if your plugin's latest version solves a problem that I've
> experienced when using TW via the mobile browser (chrome). Trying to write
> something in the editor on mobile usually brings up a javascript error
> (setting data to null). Is this experienced by others or is it just me?
>
> Regards.
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 12:49:23 PM UTC+3, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello, I tried slowly resizing my browser window, and yep, there seems to
>> be a completely different "Sidebar break point" or something.
>>
>> Interesting to note that I tried doing this on tiddlywiki.com itself and
>> tiddlywiki.com/empty.html without installing the plugin. This problem
>> seems to be a core one (I noticed that at this strange, middle ground, the
>> Vanilla theme isn't applied, evidenced by the tiddler drop shadows
>> disappearing)
>>
>> I wonder what this middle breakpoint is, and how to properly style it.
>>
>> If there are ideas, please let me know :)
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 4:58:55 AM UTC+9, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Mark - I did notice that, and I saw the tb5 link above to
>>> auto-hide the sidebar as well.
>>>
>>> My problem is that there seems to be 3 sidebar states:
>>>
>>> 1. The default sidebar when my window is normal size
>>> 2. The mobile sidebar created by this plugin
>>> 3. A strange "middle state" that is white that appears for a very small
>>> margin.
>>>
>>> The behavior can be seen in this gif:
>>>
>>> https://media.giphy.com/media/3osBLlm8SRZydLLnIA/giphy.gif
>>>
>>>
>>> An interesting (though nonrelated?) issue I'm having is that I use a
>>> window manager (lua script running in hammerspoon) to automatically resize
>>> my windows. When I resize my TW browser window, the theme does not update.
>>> I have to manually wiggle the window size to get the new layout to "kick
>>> in".
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:53:41 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On a small screen, if you have the double chevron clicked, that is what
>>>> happens. Just click the double chevron again (lower right corner) to
>>>> restore.
>>>>
>>>> Apologies if this is not the problem you are describing.
>>>>
>>>> -- Mark
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:48:59 AM UTC-8, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey JD,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for this! On my TW, Im not sure why, but this is causing
>>>>> strange rendering where basically my sidebar isn't behaving well and ends
>>>>> up taking over everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 9:31:14 AM UTC-6, JD wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.2*, what is possibly the last
>>>>>> update for a long while (I will now return to my lair and focus on using 
>>>>>> /
>>>>>> discovering TW5.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, everyone, for welcoming my stuff :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Changelog:*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>- Added *Larger*, *Largest*, and *Smallest* options to font sizes
>>>>>>- Added *Mobbuttons* option to topbar and bottombar
>>>>>>- Added options to topbar and bottombar configurations
>>>>>>- Added button to config modal (can be turned on or off)
>>>>>>- Cleaned up config tiddler
>>>>>>- Cleaned up code and other bugfixes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Versions *0.9.9* and *1.0.0* are attached to my previous announcer
>>>>>> post (for backup)
>>>>>> Version *1.0.2* is attached to this post
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 2:07:04 AM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've
>>>>>>> completed my personal *Future pla

[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Abraham Samma]

Hi JD,

I was wondering if your plugin's latest version solves a problem that I've 
experienced when using TW via the mobile browser (chrome). Trying to write 
something in the editor on mobile usually brings up a javascript error 
(setting data to null). Is this experienced by others or is it just me?

Regards.

On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 12:49:23 PM UTC+3, JD wrote:
>
> Hello, I tried slowly resizing my browser window, and yep, there seems to 
> be a completely different "Sidebar break point" or something. 
>
> Interesting to note that I tried doing this on tiddlywiki.com itself and 
> tiddlywiki.com/empty.html without installing the plugin. This problem 
> seems to be a core one (I noticed that at this strange, middle ground, the 
> Vanilla theme isn't applied, evidenced by the tiddler drop shadows 
> disappearing)
>
> I wonder what this middle breakpoint is, and how to properly style it.
>
> If there are ideas, please let me know :)
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 4:58:55 AM UTC+9, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Mark - I did notice that, and I saw the tb5 link above to 
>> auto-hide the sidebar as well. 
>>
>> My problem is that there seems to be 3 sidebar states: 
>>
>> 1. The default sidebar when my window is normal size
>> 2. The mobile sidebar created by this plugin
>> 3. A strange "middle state" that is white that appears for a very small 
>> margin.
>>
>> The behavior can be seen in this gif:
>>
>> https://media.giphy.com/media/3osBLlm8SRZydLLnIA/giphy.gif
>>
>>
>> An interesting (though nonrelated?) issue I'm having is that I use a 
>> window manager (lua script running in hammerspoon) to automatically resize 
>> my windows. When I resize my TW browser window, the theme does not update. 
>> I have to manually wiggle the window size to get the new layout to "kick 
>> in". 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:53:41 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> On a small screen, if you have the double chevron clicked, that is what 
>>> happens. Just click the double chevron again (lower right corner) to 
>>> restore.
>>>
>>> Apologies if this is not the problem you are describing.
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:48:59 AM UTC-8, Diego Mesa wrote:

 Hey JD,

 Thanks for this! On my TW, Im not sure why, but this is causing strange 
 rendering where basically my sidebar isn't behaving well and ends up 
 taking 
 over everything. 

 On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 9:31:14 AM UTC-6, JD wrote:
>
> Hi, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.2*, what is possibly the last 
> update for a long while (I will now return to my lair and focus on using 
> / 
> discovering TW5.)
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Thanks, everyone, for welcoming my stuff :)
>
> *Changelog:*
>
>- Added *Larger*, *Largest*, and *Smallest* options to font sizes
>- Added *Mobbuttons* option to topbar and bottombar
>- Added options to topbar and bottombar configurations
>- Added button to config modal (can be turned on or off)
>- Cleaned up config tiddler
>- Cleaned up code and other bugfixes
>
> Versions *0.9.9* and *1.0.0* are attached to my previous announcer 
> post (for backup)
> Version *1.0.2* is attached to this post
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 2:07:04 AM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've 
>> completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related 
>> things) remains unrealized. 
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is 
>> now exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs 
>> or 
>> if anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always 
>> welcome. 
>>
>> (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW 
>> itself was upgraded to 5.1.15)
>>
>> Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!
>>
>> *Changelog:*
>>
>>- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
>>- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
>>   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls 
>>   area*, or hidden
>>   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
>>- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
>>- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
>>- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at 
>>topbar *controls area* and *titlebar*
>>- Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the 
>>first tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a 
>>stylesheet option)
>>- Overhauled the *config *tiddler
>>- 
>>- Cleaned up code and tiddler 

[tw] Re: Html Export

[Abraham Samma]

I think community members should consider taking up the challenge of 
creating new kinds of exporters. I for example use TW5 a lot to write draft 
articles for medium.com. I could very well do with an exporter that exports 
directly to medium.com

On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 1:01:10 AM UTC+3, tobaisch wrote:
>
> Hello,
> short question:
> Is there a way to change the Html Export Settings?
> I don't like to export all my Tiddler-links & my TAG-Pills on the top of 
> the tiddler.
> Maybe, there is a export template to change it.
> Regards
> Tob
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[tw] Re: Confused and overwhelmed

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Information/knowledge in one place is what tiddlywiki is all about. Its 
basically a html5 app that is portable and that can also be hosted online 
like a normal website. As many have already pointed out, you can start by 
checking out tiddlywiki.com

You'll find tiddlywiki to be a great way of experimenting with web 
technologies. Many in here have contributed code, plugins and projects to 
this thing. I encourage you to not falter and stay on to discover more. You 
won't regret it. 

Welcome.

On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 11:37:19 AM UTC+3, Heather Mcclelland wrote:
>
> Every time I start getting confident about my technical abilities, I find 
> something that puts me squarely in my place.
>
> I am an all over apple user. And that means I have info all over all my 
> apple devices, mostly in various apps and of course all over the cloud.
>
> I started googling personal knowledge management to see what I could do 
> about putting everything in one spot, in the hopes of sharing at some 
> point. I came across tiddlywinks. In theory, it sounds awesome. But, I have 
> no clue where to start. And worse, I'm having a hard time understanding how 
> to access whatever it is that I'm creating. 
>
> I'm a graphic design student and am feeling a little dumb at my lack of 
> knowledge in the developing area.
>
> Where is a good place to go with just some very basic info?
>
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Re: [tw] Re: A Rant

[Abraham Samma]

There's TW5's github repository wiki.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:11 PM, JD  wrote:

> This has been mentioned before, but couldn't the community agree to use a
> different, multi-user wiki for the help file, or manual, or
> watchamacallit... At least, while TW5 remains single-user and incapable of
> that task?
>
> I'm thinking of wiki-how and fandom community wikis, for example, whose
> contents get filled so easily. Very entry-level, with links to related
> Google Groups threads and permalinks to popular personally-maintained
> tiddlywikis, while a simpler write-up hasn't been written in yet by a
> contributor...
>
> Apologies if this is an ignorant question.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 12:58:57 AM UTC+9, Furicle wrote:
>>
>> I am having a ridiculously complicated time trying to use TW.  I think a
>> new user will never jump through all these hoops.
>>
>> Firefox is forcing the end of TiddlyFox, fine. There's a great Getting
>> Started doc with all the options to replace it.
>> But darned if I can get any of them I've tried to work
>>
>>- TW in the Sky Dropbox
>>   -  either doesn't work, or I can't figure out how to work it.  It
>>   authenticates, I've got a folder in Dropbox/Apps, but I can't get it 
>> to use
>>   my tw.  Really needs documentation.
>>
>>
>>- TW Desktop
>>   - no installer, just a zip folder - where do you put it, exactly?
>>   Does it matter?  How am I supposed to know I launch something labelled
>>   nw.exe?
>>   - can't see the screens half the time.  Opens randomly hidden or
>>   off screen, most of the time
>>   - Muck around and get the windows to actually be visible, and get
>>   it to open and display one of my tiddlers, and it still won't save?
>>- Node.js
>>   - No Windows instructions
>>
>> I could go on, but I think I've made my point.
>>
>>
>> *I'm not dumping on anyone.  I'm grateful for the work done to date.  I'm
>> not owed anything.  I'm not demanding a darned thing.*
>>
>> I'm a reasonably technically advanced current TW classic user, and I can
>> not, after spending quite some time at, move forward.
>>
>> I'm trying to say this community really needs to take a look at usability
>> if it wants to be anything more than a niche product
>>
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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Abraham Samma]

Wow, where has this been all my life? Kudos JD. Your plugin is IMHO the 
best thing that can happen to TW5!

On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 5:04:06 PM UTC+3, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone :)
>
> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which is 
> what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>
> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only things 
> I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what I've at 
> the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected tiddlers, 
> and for my own improvement :)
>
> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>

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[tw] Re: A Rant

[Abraham Samma]

Seconded

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 7:12:27 PM UTC+3, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Do you guys think it would be useful to move this discussion to 
> github under a "Improve New User Onboarding Experience" issue? That way we 
> can have a larger discussion and perhaps generate some action items?
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 9:03:26 AM UTC-6, Guille Rmo wrote:
>>
>> Hi Furicle. I understand you are not a develope and thus you have a hard 
>> time using docker, node.js, etc. 
>> However, TW5 is actually easy to use without servers and development 
>> tools. 
>> You just save the web page with ctrl + s and then you open it again. 
>> As simple as that. 
>> This is one of the most important goals of this app's, a serverless one 
>> page, one file application that won't need external tools, other than a 
>> modern browser.
>>
>>
>> El miércoles, 15 de noviembre de 2017, 9:58:57 (UTC-6), Furicle escribió:
>>>
>>> I am having a ridiculously complicated time trying to use TW.  I think a 
>>> new user will never jump through all these hoops.
>>>
>>> Firefox is forcing the end of TiddlyFox, fine. There's a great Getting 
>>> Started doc with all the options to replace it.
>>> But darned if I can get any of them I've tried to work
>>>
>>>- TW in the Sky Dropbox
>>>   -  either doesn't work, or I can't figure out how to work it.  It 
>>>   authenticates, I've got a folder in Dropbox/Apps, but I can't get it 
>>> to use 
>>>   my tw.  Really needs documentation.
>>>   
>>>
>>>- TW Desktop
>>>   - no installer, just a zip folder - where do you put it, 
>>>   exactly?  Does it matter?  How am I supposed to know I launch 
>>> something 
>>>   labelled nw.exe?
>>>   - can't see the screens half the time.  Opens randomly hidden or 
>>>   off screen, most of the time
>>>   - Muck around and get the windows to actually be visible, and get 
>>>   it to open and display one of my tiddlers, and it still won't save?
>>>- Node.js
>>>   - No Windows instructions
>>>
>>> I could go on, but I think I've made my point.
>>>
>>>
>>> *I'm not dumping on anyone.  I'm grateful for the work done to date.  
>>> I'm not owed anything.  I'm not demanding a darned thing.*
>>>
>>> I'm a reasonably technically advanced current TW classic user, and I can 
>>> not, after spending quite some time at, move forward.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to say this community really needs to take a look at 
>>> usability if it wants to be anything more than a niche product
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [tw] A Rant

[Abraham Samma]

I stress the word WORK IN PROGRESS.

https://cdn.rawgit.com/abesamma/TW5-editions/e387d7fe/empty.html


On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:21:29 PM UTC+3, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Could you share that manual? Im very interested in using it!
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 7:34:51 AM UTC-6, Abraham Samma wrote:
>>
>> Usability for newbies is a challenge for TW5 but it is not insurmountable.
>>
>> Take my project Maarfapad which gives you access to a TW5 cloud service 
>> among other things: I've had some success with getting newbies on board by 
>> providing them with a simple *interactive* manual inside their wikis that 
>> takes them through most of TW5's functionality step by step. The fact that 
>> it helped even my mother (a person who tries to stay away from computers 
>> most of the time) understand how tiddlywiki works enough to actually USE it 
>> is encouraging.
>>
>> I believe designing less verbose, more interactive manuals within wikis 
>> will help gain more users. Its kind of like designing video game tutorials. 
>> You want the user to pick up essentials easily and let them master it by 
>> himself using those first principles.
>>
>> This discussion is very interesting! Thanks to the person who started it.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:43:00 PM UTC+3, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> With this thread, and the related Yearning for ONE method:
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/19LF5KynLAc
>>>
>>> I definitely think TiddlyWiki would benefit immensely from well thought 
>>> out "New User Experience" that "Just Works Out of the Box". I have 100% 
>>> drunk the koolaid when it comes to TW. But I had a very hard time 
>>> explaining it to someone else, when it came to "Oh no actually you have to 
>>> either save like this, or like that, or, yeah it could be one file, or yeah 
>>> you could install a plugin for that, or, etc etc etc"
>>>
>>> I think this community can try to develop sort of an 
>>> EverNote-likeish-clone that just come prepackaged, is easy to explain and 
>>> use. What do you guys think? 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:26:43 AM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ciao Jeremy
>>>>
>>>> The latest TiddlyDesktop is great. Its very good--likely the lowest 
>>>> hassle for TiddlyWiki that are "self contained". Its very reliable IME. 
>>>>
>>>> BUT its not so good if you need to be able to do things that normal 
>>>> web-browsers provide like "Print Edit" and "Save to Scrapbook."
>>>>
>>>> The RESULTANT SCOPE of the differential ways of running TiddlyWiki is 
>>>> not so well documented. BUT, in reality, folk use TW in CONTEXTS. I think 
>>>> PART of the issue with parting with Firefox is not just TW, its also all 
>>>> the OTHER stuff FF did too.
>>>>
>>>> In mourning
>>>> Josiah 
>>>>
>>>> Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That’s actually what TiddlyDesktop is, except that it uses the older 
>>>>> nw.js rather than Electron.
>>>>>
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Re: [tw] A Rant

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Usability for newbies is a challenge for TW5 users but it is not 
insurmountable.

Take my project Maarfapad which gives you access to a TW5 cloud service 
among other things: I've had some success with getting newbies on board by 
providing them with a simple *interactive* manual inside their wikis that 
takes them through most of TW5's functionality step by step. The fact that 
it helped even my mother (a person who tries to stay away from computers 
most of the time) understand how tiddlywiki works enough to actually USE it 
is encouraging.

I believe designing less verbose, more interactive manuals within wikis 
will help gain more users. Its kind of like designing video game tutorials. 
You want the user to pick up essentials easily and let them master it by 
himself using those first principles.

This discussion is very interesting! Thanks to the person who started it.

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:43:00 PM UTC+3, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> With this thread, and the related Yearning for ONE method:
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/19LF5KynLAc
>
> I definitely think TiddlyWiki would benefit immensely from well thought 
> out "New User Experience" that "Just Works Out of the Box". I have 100% 
> drunk the koolaid when it comes to TW. But I had a very hard time 
> explaining it to someone else, when it came to "Oh no actually you have to 
> either save like this, or like that, or, yeah it could be one file, or yeah 
> you could install a plugin for that, or, etc etc etc"
>
> I think this community can try to develop sort of an 
> EverNote-likeish-clone that just come prepackaged, is easy to explain and 
> use. What do you guys think? 
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:26:43 AM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Jeremy
>>
>> The latest TiddlyDesktop is great. Its very good--likely the lowest 
>> hassle for TiddlyWiki that are "self contained". Its very reliable IME. 
>>
>> BUT its not so good if you need to be able to do things that normal 
>> web-browsers provide like "Print Edit" and "Save to Scrapbook."
>>
>> The RESULTANT SCOPE of the differential ways of running TiddlyWiki is not 
>> so well documented. BUT, in reality, folk use TW in CONTEXTS. I think PART 
>> of the issue with parting with Firefox is not just TW, its also all the 
>> OTHER stuff FF did too.
>>
>> In mourning
>> Josiah 
>>
>> Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> That’s actually what TiddlyDesktop is, except that it uses the older 
>>> nw.js rather than Electron.
>>>
>>

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[tw] Embed Tiddlywiki within a database driven website

[Abraham Samma]

Hi Paul, 

It is absolutely possible. I'm actually working on building one right now 
myself; originally for my own use but now I'm designing it for eventual public 
use. I'm making use of couchdb as my database. I suggest you look at the source 
code for the put saver module to get an idea of how you might implement what're 
you're suggesting. 

Regards

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[tw] Re: [INTRO] Tiddler Bundle Plugin

[Abraham Samma]

It took me a while to see why @TiddlyTweeter thought this was a big deal. 
It turns out, PMario has created a solution to a problem I have yet to 
experience. I like this; a brilliant prescriptive solution. Kudos

On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 11:46:55 PM UTC+3, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi Folks, 
>
> I'm happy to announce the availability of the bundle-plugin 
> , [1] 
> discussed in the group for some time now. See the discussion at: Bundling 
> - It would help - HOW to do it reliably? [2] 
>
>
> - 2 export concepts
>- Bundle function as a list of tiddlers. One tiddler per line
>- Filtered bundles. So you can use filters instead of list tiddlers by 
> name
>
>  - Config option to select position eg: 
>- SideBar or
>- MoreSideBar
>
>  - several examples of "useful" filters
>- including a preview filters in AdvancedSearch
>
>  - visible info about number of tiddlers, that will be exported 
>- eg: 3/4 ... 3 out of 4 tiddlers will be exported. ... So there may be 
> a typo .. 
>- If the number of "filtered bundles" is clicked, the filter shows up 
> in the AdvancedSearch panel, for easy testing. 
>  
>  - filtered bundle settings are compatible with the "AdvancedSearch: 
> Filter tab". So they will show up there too. 
>
>  - There is an "Enable Import Bundle" option, that creates an 
> import.bundle log-type tiddler. If new tiddlers are imported they will be 
> appended to the import.bundle for later use. 
>
>  - If an imported tiddler exist, they will be renamed. So importing the 
> same tiddler, won't overwrite existing content. ... ( I know: There's a lot 
> of improvement possibilities here :)
>
> That's all for the moment. *Play with it and give feedback!*  
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
> PS: The plugin provided [1] invalidates all the bundles from the other 
> thread [2]. I'll remove them, if possible. ...
>
> [1] https://wikilabs.github.io/#bundles:bundles%20GettingStarted
> [2] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/WzwNpnxycDQ
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[tw] Re: Comments on an online service

[Abraham Samma]

I totally agree with you on that. Figuring out end objectives of users is key. 
You could say we are victims of TW5's success as a diy application. 

But there are still a lot of application capabilities that remain unexploited 
by end users because they find it hard to implement them for themselves (not 
all of us can make plugins). This is where online services can be of great help 
if they can successfully supply just in time solutions for our needs. However, 
one should keep in mind that not all needs may be profitable as you pointed out 
with respect to hosting. 

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[tw] Re: Comments on an online service

[Abraham Samma]

I find this the most compelling reason to have an online service for 
managing such such wikis (an edition manager so to speak). You could create 
different downloadable editions that are automatically hosted, backed up 
and made public whenever needed (e.g a blogging edition).

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 4:11:02 PM UTC+3, ste...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>- Option to create multiple TiddlyWikis within the same account, with 
>different properties (encrypted versus publicly readable etc.)
>- Creation of new TiddlyWikis with "one click" (or a similarly easy 
>process
>
>
> Stef
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 2:22:06 PM UTC+2, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>> I have been thinking recently that I would like to build an online 
>> service specifically geared toward TW5. It would be different from 
>> Danielo's note self in that the data would also be hosted. 
>>
>> I am thinking that it would be a paid service, either as a subscription 
>> or pay as you go. I don't really know which one yet I don't really know how 
>> it all work but I am thinking of using the Amazon web services to build it 
>> on and that seems to have some pretty good features for pay as you go.
>>
>> So now for the question. If you were going to subscribe to the service, 
>> what are the main features you would be interested in? The sky's the limit, 
>> I want to hear your thoughts.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Arlen
>>
>

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