Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Mohammad Rahmani]

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 6:17 PM Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi Mohammad
>
> Hi Jeremy,



>  Is there any way to start links on Tiddlywiki Community Links? This way
> useful links will stay at top!
>
>
> I’m guessing you mean “star”? The closest we have at the moment is for
> people to download link tiddlers to add to their own link wiki.
>

Sorry, yes I mean star ;-)

>
> The server for links.tiddlywiki.com is just static GitHub Pages, so
> there’s nowhere to store stars at the moment apart from client-side cookies.
>

Thank you for clarification!

>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>

Best

>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:30 PM Jeremy Ruston 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mat
>>
>> Some of my plugins are anachronisticly archaic from an antediluvian epoch.
>>
>> Maybe it's more constructive to put it into context by displaying a
>> last-updated date and what the TW version was at that time?
>>
>>
>> When the scraper gets to the point of crawling the link targets we’ll be
>> able to extract the version number automatically, but you’re right,
>> adopting the version number as a tag would be very helpful for the old
>> stuff.
>>
>> Bug? or just me:
>> When downloading a link from links.tiddlywiki.com, i.e by clicking the
>> black circle with a downarrow, I get a tid file. When I drag this into a
>> wiki, I was expecting to get some kind of *tiddler*. Instead, the
>> $:/Import tiddler shows the external *link*... so if I click that link I
>> go to the wiki. But the Import $:/Import tiddlers list is of course just
>> temporary so I lose the last import all the time. Do I misunderstand
>> something?
>>
>>
>> That’s just a bug with the $:/Import display because the tiddler titles
>> look like links, the tiddlers should be there
>>
>> An idea - maybe it's already been thought of (this thread is now too long
>> for me to tell):
>>
>> Assuming that one should, indeed, get a *tiddler *when downloading a
>> linktiddler then:
>>
>> If linktiddlers are fetched to a wiki that is itself a link-contributing
>> wiki, then I assume the linktiddlers will be aggregated *again*. We
>> could make is so linktiddlers have a UI to make it very easy to *improve
>> *on its data. For example when fetching tiddlers from the aggregator
>> site, an extra tiddler comes along; a ViewTemplate conditional for
>> tag[$:/tags/Link]. (Or this viewtemplate could be installed manually.)
>>
>> This ViewTemplate presents a UI, e.g a checkbox for easily
>> tagging/marking out the link as outdated, or a selectwidget to attach a TW
>> version to it. The viewtemplate can also have a field with the tag full tag
>> space for all linktiddlers, sorted, and a Selectwidget or some such so the
>> user can select to improve the tags. (Later there could be a smarter
>> mechanism that proposes modifications like "Proposal: Exchange tag [plugin]
>> for tag [Plugin]")
>>
>>
>> That’s the sort of workflow that I hope we can start exploring with the
>> download button.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 4:18:47 PM UTC+1 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> I've added Obsolete to ImageMagick.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mohammad

>  Is there any way to start links on Tiddlywiki Community Links? This way 
> useful links will stay at top!

I’m guessing you mean “star”? The closest we have at the moment is for people 
to download link tiddlers to add to their own link wiki.

The server for links.tiddlywiki.com  is just 
static GitHub Pages, so there’s nowhere to store stars at the moment apart from 
client-side cookies.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> 
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:30 PM Jeremy Ruston  > wrote:
> Hi Mat
> 
>> Some of my plugins are anachronisticly archaic from an antediluvian epoch.
>> 
>> Maybe it's more constructive to put it into context by displaying a 
>> last-updated date and what the TW version was at that time?
> 
> When the scraper gets to the point of crawling the link targets we’ll be able 
> to extract the version number automatically, but you’re right, adopting the 
> version number as a tag would be very helpful for the old stuff.
> 
>> Bug? or just me:
>> When downloading a link from links.tiddlywiki.com 
>> , i.e by clicking the black circle with a 
>> downarrow, I get a tid file. When I drag this into a wiki, I was expecting 
>> to get some kind of tiddler. Instead, the $:/Import tiddler shows the 
>> external link... so if I click that link I go to the wiki. But the Import 
>> $:/Import tiddlers list is of course just temporary so I lose the last 
>> import all the time. Do I misunderstand something?
> 
> That’s just a bug with the $:/Import display because the tiddler titles look 
> like links, the tiddlers should be there
> 
>> An idea - maybe it's already been thought of (this thread is now too long 
>> for me to tell):
>> 
>> Assuming that one should, indeed, get a tiddler when downloading a 
>> linktiddler then:
>> 
>> If linktiddlers are fetched to a wiki that is itself a link-contributing 
>> wiki, then I assume the linktiddlers will be aggregated again. We could make 
>> is so linktiddlers have a UI to make it very easy to improve on its data. 
>> For example when fetching tiddlers from the aggregator site, an extra 
>> tiddler comes along; a ViewTemplate conditional for tag[$:/tags/Link]. (Or 
>> this viewtemplate could be installed manually.)
>> 
>> This ViewTemplate presents a UI, e.g a checkbox for easily tagging/marking 
>> out the link as outdated, or a selectwidget to attach a TW version to it. 
>> The viewtemplate can also have a field with the tag full tag space for all 
>> linktiddlers, sorted, and a Selectwidget or some such so the user can select 
>> to improve the tags. (Later there could be a smarter mechanism that proposes 
>> modifications like "Proposal: Exchange tag [plugin] for tag [Plugin]")
> 
> That’s the sort of workflow that I hope we can start exploring with the 
> download button.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
>> 
>> <:-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 4:18:47 PM UTC+1 Mark S. wrote:
>> I've added Obsolete to ImageMagick.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Congratulations!

TW Community Links by 2nd April 2021 has* 753 unique links*! A great number
of resources!
Special thanks to *Mark *and *Jeremy*! and I really appreciate the efforts
by all other contributors.


Best wishes
Mohammad


On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:30 PM Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi Mat
>
> Some of my plugins are anachronisticly archaic from an antediluvian epoch.
>
> Maybe it's more constructive to put it into context by displaying a
> last-updated date and what the TW version was at that time?
>
>
> When the scraper gets to the point of crawling the link targets we’ll be
> able to extract the version number automatically, but you’re right,
> adopting the version number as a tag would be very helpful for the old
> stuff.
>
> Bug? or just me:
> When downloading a link from links.tiddlywiki.com, i.e by clicking the
> black circle with a downarrow, I get a tid file. When I drag this into a
> wiki, I was expecting to get some kind of *tiddler*. Instead, the
> $:/Import tiddler shows the external *link*... so if I click that link I
> go to the wiki. But the Import $:/Import tiddlers list is of course just
> temporary so I lose the last import all the time. Do I misunderstand
> something?
>
>
> That’s just a bug with the $:/Import display because the tiddler titles
> look like links, the tiddlers should be there
>
> An idea - maybe it's already been thought of (this thread is now too long
> for me to tell):
>
> Assuming that one should, indeed, get a *tiddler *when downloading a
> linktiddler then:
>
> If linktiddlers are fetched to a wiki that is itself a link-contributing
> wiki, then I assume the linktiddlers will be aggregated *again*. We could
> make is so linktiddlers have a UI to make it very easy to *improve *on
> its data. For example when fetching tiddlers from the aggregator site, an
> extra tiddler comes along; a ViewTemplate conditional for
> tag[$:/tags/Link]. (Or this viewtemplate could be installed manually.)
>
> This ViewTemplate presents a UI, e.g a checkbox for easily tagging/marking
> out the link as outdated, or a selectwidget to attach a TW version to it.
> The viewtemplate can also have a field with the tag full tag space for all
> linktiddlers, sorted, and a Selectwidget or some such so the user can
> select to improve the tags. (Later there could be a smarter mechanism that
> proposes modifications like "Proposal: Exchange tag [plugin] for tag
> [Plugin]")
>
>
> That’s the sort of workflow that I hope we can start exploring with the
> download button.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> <:-)
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 4:18:47 PM UTC+1 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> I've added Obsolete to ImageMagick.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Jeremy,
 Is there any way to start links on Tiddlywiki Community Links? This way
useful links will stay at top!

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:30 PM Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi Mat
>
> Some of my plugins are anachronisticly archaic from an antediluvian epoch.
>
> Maybe it's more constructive to put it into context by displaying a
> last-updated date and what the TW version was at that time?
>
>
> When the scraper gets to the point of crawling the link targets we’ll be
> able to extract the version number automatically, but you’re right,
> adopting the version number as a tag would be very helpful for the old
> stuff.
>
> Bug? or just me:
> When downloading a link from links.tiddlywiki.com, i.e by clicking the
> black circle with a downarrow, I get a tid file. When I drag this into a
> wiki, I was expecting to get some kind of *tiddler*. Instead, the
> $:/Import tiddler shows the external *link*... so if I click that link I
> go to the wiki. But the Import $:/Import tiddlers list is of course just
> temporary so I lose the last import all the time. Do I misunderstand
> something?
>
>
> That’s just a bug with the $:/Import display because the tiddler titles
> look like links, the tiddlers should be there
>
> An idea - maybe it's already been thought of (this thread is now too long
> for me to tell):
>
> Assuming that one should, indeed, get a *tiddler *when downloading a
> linktiddler then:
>
> If linktiddlers are fetched to a wiki that is itself a link-contributing
> wiki, then I assume the linktiddlers will be aggregated *again*. We could
> make is so linktiddlers have a UI to make it very easy to *improve *on
> its data. For example when fetching tiddlers from the aggregator site, an
> extra tiddler comes along; a ViewTemplate conditional for
> tag[$:/tags/Link]. (Or this viewtemplate could be installed manually.)
>
> This ViewTemplate presents a UI, e.g a checkbox for easily tagging/marking
> out the link as outdated, or a selectwidget to attach a TW version to it.
> The viewtemplate can also have a field with the tag full tag space for all
> linktiddlers, sorted, and a Selectwidget or some such so the user can
> select to improve the tags. (Later there could be a smarter mechanism that
> proposes modifications like "Proposal: Exchange tag [plugin] for tag
> [Plugin]")
>
>
> That’s the sort of workflow that I hope we can start exploring with the
> download button.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> <:-)
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 4:18:47 PM UTC+1 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> I've added Obsolete to ImageMagick.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Ste]

Mark, amazing effort.  You have put the rest of us to shame! :)

On Friday, 26 March 2021 at 18:06:37 UTC Mark S. wrote:

> It looks like a great start!
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I’ve added a very basic interactive search capability to the aggregator.
>>
>> It just does a dumb case-insensitive literal match of the search string 
>> against the tags, url and description of the links. In particular, it 
>> doesn’t understand double quotes, plusses or minuses or any fancy boolean 
>> syntax, and there’s no sensible ranking of results. Although, hopefully all 
>> those features will come.
>>
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/
>>
>> Let me know how it goes,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25 Mar 2021, at 19:42, PMario  wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 3:45:49 PM UTC+1 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>>
>>> Is it reasonable to call something *deprecated* if it hasn't been 
>>> announced as such by the author? That's the best term I can think of, 
>>> though it is a little bit on the technical side.
>>
>>
>> I think deprecated is the right term, is something is superseded by a 
>> newer or better version. ... 
>>
>> What about "*stalled*" ... for "stopped making progress since xxx years"
>>
>> -m
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

It looks like a great start!



On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’ve added a very basic interactive search capability to the aggregator.
>
> It just does a dumb case-insensitive literal match of the search string 
> against the tags, url and description of the links. In particular, it 
> doesn’t understand double quotes, plusses or minuses or any fancy boolean 
> syntax, and there’s no sensible ranking of results. Although, hopefully all 
> those features will come.
>
> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/
>
> Let me know how it goes,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>
>
> On 25 Mar 2021, at 19:42, PMario  wrote:
>
> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 3:45:49 PM UTC+1 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
>> Is it reasonable to call something *deprecated* if it hasn't been 
>> announced as such by the author? That's the best term I can think of, 
>> though it is a little bit on the technical side.
>
>
> I think deprecated is the right term, is something is superseded by a 
> newer or better version. ... 
>
> What about "*stalled*" ... for "stopped making progress since xxx years"
>
> -m
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[PMario]

On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 3:45:49 PM UTC+1 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> Is it reasonable to call something *deprecated* if it hasn't been 
> announced as such by the author? That's the best term I can think of, 
> though it is a little bit on the technical side.


I think deprecated is the right term, is something is superseded by a newer 
or better version. ... 

What about "*stalled*" ... for "stopped making progress since xxx years"

-m

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 10:15:27 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> That’s from a technical perspective, but in terms of how we use it as a 
> community, we need to decide whether it’s more helpful to keep all the 
> links together or just to have a separate clone of the site for TWC.
>
>
I think it depends on how easy it is to to set filters -- especially 
negation filters -- in the search engine. So far I've only found one TWC 
url, which I've tagged TWClassic . The concept displayed is so neat, I'm 
not sure if TW5 has an equivalend 
(http://xn--mns-ula.dk/sky/apps/files_sharing/get.php?token=45ea57138089eeb535e36cee53b8831076041bf5
 
) If that isn't TWC, then someone has done an incredible job disguising it 
as TWC ;-)
 

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[TiddlyTweeter]

Mark S. wrote:

> Everything works in place. But some of it may break when added to a modern 
> TW.
> It's not quite black and white. If it absolutely didn't work, then the 
> solution would be to simply not include it.
>

 RIGHT. And that was mainly my point. There is NO big issue over "older", 
merely "does it work?" Old or new?

TT

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[TiddlyTweeter]

David Gifford wrote:

>  separate ... for TWC. 


YES. I am sure that TWC deserves its own dedicated aggregator.

TWC & TW5 are different animals and need different fodder.

TT 

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[David Gifford]

Yes, separate clone for TWC. New people would get terribly confused and 
frustrated having to figure out what works with which.

On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 12:03:44 PM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Jeremy!
>
> If I can have one vote, then I will vote to have a separate clone for TWC!
> Having both in one place will be confusing! 
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:45 PM Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
>
>> On 25 Mar 2021, at 17:08, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's called TiddlyWikiLinks, not TiddlyWiki*5*Links. 
>>
>> Are TWC links welcome?
>>
>>
>> I always try to support TWC as an equal citizen to TW5 (see TiddlyFox, 
>> TiddlyDesktop, TiddlyWiki in the Sky for Dropbox). Thus, the aggregator 
>> should work fine with bookmarking wikis that use TWC.
>>
>> That’s from a technical perspective, but in terms of how we use it as a 
>> community, we need to decide whether it’s more helpful to keep all the 
>> links together or just to have a separate clone of the site for TWC.
>>
>> There are certainly a few links that are relevant to both TWC and TW5 (eg 
>> some podcasts etc), so it’s not out of the question to keep them together. 
>> I think, though, that we’d want some enhancements so that users could 
>> persistently filter which links they see.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Jeremy!

If I can have one vote, then I will vote to have a separate clone for TWC!
Having both in one place will be confusing!


Best wishes
Mohammad


On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:45 PM Jeremy Ruston 
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> On 25 Mar 2021, at 17:08, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> It's called TiddlyWikiLinks, not TiddlyWiki*5*Links.
>
> Are TWC links welcome?
>
>
> I always try to support TWC as an equal citizen to TW5 (see TiddlyFox,
> TiddlyDesktop, TiddlyWiki in the Sky for Dropbox). Thus, the aggregator
> should work fine with bookmarking wikis that use TWC.
>
> That’s from a technical perspective, but in terms of how we use it as a
> community, we need to decide whether it’s more helpful to keep all the
> links together or just to have a separate clone of the site for TWC.
>
> There are certainly a few links that are relevant to both TWC and TW5 (eg
> some podcasts etc), so it’s not out of the question to keep them together.
> I think, though, that we’d want some enhancements so that users could
> persistently filter which links they see.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Everything works in place. But some of it may break when added to a modern 
TW.
It's not quite black and white. If it absolutely didn't work, then the 
solution would be to simply not include it.

On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 10:22:10 AM UTC-7 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Mark S. wrote:
>
>> Mat wrote:
>>
>>> Some of my plugins are anachronisticly archaic from an antediluvian 
>>> epoch.
>>
>>
>> *What matters is whether it still works*
>>
>
> RIGHT. I could not care less if Grandfather made it so long as it WORKS.
> Don't burden me with telling you are old IF you work.
>
> TT 
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[TiddlyTweeter]

Mark S. wrote:

> Mat wrote:
>
>> Some of my plugins are anachronisticly archaic from an antediluvian epoch.
>
>
> *What matters is whether it still works*
>

RIGHT. I could not care less if Grandfather made it so long as it WORKS.
Don't burden me with telling you are old IF you work.

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 9:57:11 AM UTC-7 Mat wrote:

> Some of my plugins are anachronisticly archaic from an antediluvian epoch.
>
> Maybe it's more constructive to put it into context by displaying a 
> last-updated date and what the TW version was at that time?
>

Does it matter? What matters is whether it still works, which can't be 
grokked by dates alone. You could have written a macro at 5.0.9beta that 
still works today. Or you could have written a filter at 5.1.22 that 
conflicts with a filter of the same name in 5.1.23.

The TW's that Jeremy was pointing to are so old that they lack permalinks, 
meaning that they show up as duplicates even though different topics are 
covered. However, some of the tutorial texts are still functional today.
 

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

> On 25 Mar 2021, at 17:08, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's called TiddlyWikiLinks, not TiddlyWiki5Links. 
> 
> Are TWC links welcome?

I always try to support TWC as an equal citizen to TW5 (see TiddlyFox, 
TiddlyDesktop, TiddlyWiki in the Sky for Dropbox). Thus, the aggregator should 
work fine with bookmarking wikis that use TWC.

That’s from a technical perspective, but in terms of how we use it as a 
community, we need to decide whether it’s more helpful to keep all the links 
together or just to have a separate clone of the site for TWC.

There are certainly a few links that are relevant to both TWC and TW5 (eg some 
podcasts etc), so it’s not out of the question to keep them together. I think, 
though, that we’d want some enhancements so that users could persistently 
filter which links they see.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

It's called TiddlyWikiLinks, not TiddlyWiki*5*Links. 

Are TWC links welcome?

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mat

> Some of my plugins are anachronisticly archaic from an antediluvian epoch.
> 
> Maybe it's more constructive to put it into context by displaying a 
> last-updated date and what the TW version was at that time?

When the scraper gets to the point of crawling the link targets we’ll be able 
to extract the version number automatically, but you’re right, adopting the 
version number as a tag would be very helpful for the old stuff.

> Bug? or just me:
> When downloading a link from links.tiddlywiki.com, i.e by clicking the black 
> circle with a downarrow, I get a tid file. When I drag this into a wiki, I 
> was expecting to get some kind of tiddler. Instead, the $:/Import tiddler 
> shows the external link... so if I click that link I go to the wiki. But the 
> Import $:/Import tiddlers list is of course just temporary so I lose the last 
> import all the time. Do I misunderstand something?

That’s just a bug with the $:/Import display because the tiddler titles look 
like links, the tiddlers should be there

> An idea - maybe it's already been thought of (this thread is now too long for 
> me to tell):
> 
> Assuming that one should, indeed, get a tiddler when downloading a 
> linktiddler then:
> 
> If linktiddlers are fetched to a wiki that is itself a link-contributing 
> wiki, then I assume the linktiddlers will be aggregated again. We could make 
> is so linktiddlers have a UI to make it very easy to improve on its data. For 
> example when fetching tiddlers from the aggregator site, an extra tiddler 
> comes along; a ViewTemplate conditional for tag[$:/tags/Link]. (Or this 
> viewtemplate could be installed manually.)
> 
> This ViewTemplate presents a UI, e.g a checkbox for easily tagging/marking 
> out the link as outdated, or a selectwidget to attach a TW version to it. The 
> viewtemplate can also have a field with the tag full tag space for all 
> linktiddlers, sorted, and a Selectwidget or some such so the user can select 
> to improve the tags. (Later there could be a smarter mechanism that proposes 
> modifications like "Proposal: Exchange tag [plugin] for tag [Plugin]")

That’s the sort of workflow that I hope we can start exploring with the 
download button.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> <:-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 4:18:47 PM UTC+1 Mark S. wrote:
> I've added Obsolete to ImageMagick.
> 
> 
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Mat]

Some of my plugins are anachronisticly archaic from an antediluvian epoch.

Maybe it's more constructive to put it into context by displaying a 
last-updated date and what the TW version was at that time?

-

Bug? or just me:
When downloading a link from links.tiddlywiki.com, i.e by clicking the 
black circle with a downarrow, I get a tid file. When I drag this into a 
wiki, I was expecting to get some kind of *tiddler*. Instead, the $:/Import 
tiddler shows the external *link*... so if I click that link I go to the 
wiki. But the Import $:/Import tiddlers list is of course just temporary so 
I lose the last import all the time. Do I misunderstand something?

---

An idea - maybe it's already been thought of (this thread is now too long 
for me to tell):

Assuming that one should, indeed, get a *tiddler *when downloading a 
linktiddler then:

If linktiddlers are fetched to a wiki that is itself a link-contributing 
wiki, then I assume the linktiddlers will be aggregated *again*. We could 
make is so linktiddlers have a UI to make it very easy to *improve *on its 
data. For example when fetching tiddlers from the aggregator site, an extra 
tiddler comes along; a ViewTemplate conditional for tag[$:/tags/Link]. (Or 
this viewtemplate could be installed manually.)

This ViewTemplate presents a UI, e.g a checkbox for easily tagging/marking 
out the link as outdated, or a selectwidget to attach a TW version to it. 
The viewtemplate can also have a field with the tag full tag space for all 
linktiddlers, sorted, and a Selectwidget or some such so the user can 
select to improve the tags. (Later there could be a smarter mechanism that 
proposes modifications like "Proposal: Exchange tag [plugin] for tag 
[Plugin]")

<:-)




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> I've added Obsolete to ImageMagick.
>
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I've added Obsolete to ImageMagick.



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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

If you try your hand at this, there is an incredible number of projects 
that haven't been touched in years. So it is unlikely that the authors will 
ever self-identify as "deprecated" (I've only come across one like that).

I've been using "Deprecated" when I'm aware of something in the current 
core that closely matches the functionality. For instance there is a "join" 
operator, which might work fine but will undoubtedly clash with the modern 
filter operator of the same name. Usually those same items are also 
"Oldish". 

But it's an aggregator, not a competition. If someone disagrees they can 
post their own 5-star link explaining how they use it every day and how it 
brings a smile to the lips of small cats and dogs. ;-)

For older things, I'm leaning towards "Not-Current".

On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 7:45:49 AM UTC-7 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> Is it reasonable to call something *deprecated* if it hasn't been 
> announced as such by the author? That's the best term I can think of, 
> though it is a little bit on the technical side.
>
> My concerns with the other suggestions:
>
>- "Obsolete" sounds like it is no longer necessary, it has been 
>superseded, which isn't necessarily true
>- "Antiquated" seems oddly formal (plus it would seem to have the same 
>negative feeling of "old", to whatever extent that's a problem).
>- "Vintage", as Jeremy said, has a positive connotation that doesn't 
>seem right.
>- "Disused" is closer, but seems like it conveys something about how 
>many people actually use it (which we don't in fact know), rather than 
>whether you *should* use it.
>
> *Deprecated *means it shouldn't be used if you can find another solution, 
> and it's about whether people think you should use it, not about its raw 
> age or how many people actually do use it. The only issue I'm thinking of 
> right now is that it might suggest that it still works, which isn't 
> necessarily the case.
>
> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 8:49:28 AM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> They all work *in situ*. And they all might be the basis of something 
>> rebooted. They just might not be the first choice for immediate use in a 
>> modern TW. So, how to gently convey that subtlety?
>>
>> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 2:44:18 AM UTC-7 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 "Vintage" sounds desirable nowadays! We need to communicate that this 
 stuff is no longer usable, so maybe "Obsolete"? The description can 
 explain 
 why it's still worth including.

>>>
>>> TBH, I'm getting CONFUSED! :-) 
>>>
>>> *Obsolete / Vintage / Oldish.  *REALLY? 
>>>
>>> GIVE me aggregation of WHAT WORKS out-of-the-box WITHOUT ageism. 
>>> That is enough already!
>>>
>>> TT
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

“Deprecate” is a verb, and so I think there would indeed need to be someone 
doing the deprecating for it to properly work.

The context for this is that we still get plenty of people confused that the 
stuff at https://tiddlytools.com/  doesn’t work with 
TW5. Cases like http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com 
 are pretty egregious: it’s 7 years old, 
based on TW5 when it was in beta.

So, I think we need a really clear “danger” sign for ordinary users to make 
things super clear. The most important meaning that we’re trying to put across 
is “Don’t try to use this unless you know what you’re doing”.

On balance, I still favour “obsolete” as carrying the right combination of 
meanings: “don’t use me because I’m old”.

Best wishes

Jeremy.




> On 25 Mar 2021, at 14:45, Soren Bjornstad  wrote:
> 
> Is it reasonable to call something deprecated if it hasn't been announced as 
> such by the author? That's the best term I can think of, though it is a 
> little bit on the technical side.
> 
> My concerns with the other suggestions:
> "Obsolete" sounds like it is no longer necessary, it has been superseded, 
> which isn't necessarily true
> "Antiquated" seems oddly formal (plus it would seem to have the same negative 
> feeling of "old", to whatever extent that's a problem).
> "Vintage", as Jeremy said, has a positive connotation that doesn't seem right.
> "Disused" is closer, but seems like it conveys something about how many 
> people actually use it (which we don't in fact know), rather than whether you 
> should use it.
> Deprecated means it shouldn't be used if you can find another solution, and 
> it's about whether people think you should use it, not about its raw age or 
> how many people actually do use it. The only issue I'm thinking of right now 
> is that it might suggest that it still works, which isn't necessarily the 
> case.
> 
> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 8:49:28 AM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:
> They all work in situ. And they all might be the basis of something rebooted. 
> They just might not be the first choice for immediate use in a modern TW. So, 
> how to gently convey that subtlety?
> 
> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 2:44:18 AM UTC-7 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
> jeremy...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> "Vintage" sounds desirable nowadays! We need to communicate that this stuff 
> is no longer usable, so maybe "Obsolete"? The description can explain why 
> it's still worth including.
> 
> TBH, I'm getting CONFUSED! :-) 
> 
> Obsolete / Vintage / Oldish.  REALLY?
> 
> GIVE me aggregation of WHAT WORKS out-of-the-box WITHOUT ageism. 
> That is enough already!
> 
> TT
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Soren Bjornstad]

Is it reasonable to call something *deprecated* if it hasn't been announced 
as such by the author? That's the best term I can think of, though it is a 
little bit on the technical side.

My concerns with the other suggestions:

   - "Obsolete" sounds like it is no longer necessary, it has been 
   superseded, which isn't necessarily true
   - "Antiquated" seems oddly formal (plus it would seem to have the same 
   negative feeling of "old", to whatever extent that's a problem).
   - "Vintage", as Jeremy said, has a positive connotation that doesn't 
   seem right.
   - "Disused" is closer, but seems like it conveys something about how 
   many people actually use it (which we don't in fact know), rather than 
   whether you *should* use it.

*Deprecated *means it shouldn't be used if you can find another solution, 
and it's about whether people think you should use it, not about its raw 
age or how many people actually do use it. The only issue I'm thinking of 
right now is that it might suggest that it still works, which isn't 
necessarily the case.

On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 8:49:28 AM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:

> They all work *in situ*. And they all might be the basis of something 
> rebooted. They just might not be the first choice for immediate use in a 
> modern TW. So, how to gently convey that subtlety?
>
> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 2:44:18 AM UTC-7 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> "Vintage" sounds desirable nowadays! We need to communicate that this 
>>> stuff is no longer usable, so maybe "Obsolete"? The description can explain 
>>> why it's still worth including.
>>>
>>
>> TBH, I'm getting CONFUSED! :-) 
>>
>> *Obsolete / Vintage / Oldish.  *REALLY? 
>>
>> GIVE me aggregation of WHAT WORKS out-of-the-box WITHOUT ageism. 
>> That is enough already!
>>
>> TT
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

They all work *in situ*. And they all might be the basis of something 
rebooted. They just might not be the first choice for immediate use in a 
modern TW. So, how to gently convey that subtlety?

On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 2:44:18 AM UTC-7 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> "Vintage" sounds desirable nowadays! We need to communicate that this 
>> stuff is no longer usable, so maybe "Obsolete"? The description can explain 
>> why it's still worth including.
>>
>
> TBH, I'm getting CONFUSED! :-) 
>
> *Obsolete / Vintage / Oldish.  *REALLY? 
>
> GIVE me aggregation of WHAT WORKS out-of-the-box WITHOUT ageism. 
> That is enough already!
>
> TT
>

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

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jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> "Vintage" sounds desirable nowadays! We need to communicate that this 
> stuff is no longer usable, so maybe "Obsolete"? The description can explain 
> why it's still worth including.
>

TBH, I'm getting CONFUSED! :-) 

*Obsolete / Vintage / Oldish.  *REALLY? 

GIVE me aggregation of WHAT WORKS out-of-the-box WITHOUT ageism. 
That is enough already!

TT

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[R²]

How about *antiquated*? Or perhaps *disused*, which carries very little 
value judgment? 

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Mark S,
Quite a dilemma. It is *old* now because it was an *early* contribution. 
Then Hopefully people will search for *recent* contributions.

Birthe - with thanks for all the great work, you are doing!
onsdag den 24. marts 2021 kl. 23.23.06 UTC+1 skrev Mark S.:

> I think it's still usable, it just shouldn't be a first choice. Like 
> "Creating a simple Contacts DB" is still a great introductory explainer 
> about using ViewTemplates. 
>
> Not everything that is old is undesirable. I hope. "Obsolete" suggests 
> unusable or that there is a replacement, which isn't always the case. 
> I've already started using "Deprecated" for things that have an official 
> counterpart. 
>
> Now I'm resorting to look at the thesaurus. Maybe "*Oldish*" which isn't 
> quite so strong as "old" ?
>
> Heh. Maybe Ebay terms like "*For-parts-only*" .
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 2:20:42 PM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> "Vintage" sounds desirable nowadays! We need to communicate that this 
>> stuff is no longer usable, so maybe "Obsolete"? The description can explain 
>> why it's still worth including.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>> --
>> Jeremy Ruston
>> jer...@jermolene.com
>> https://jermolene.com
>>
>> On 24 Mar 2021, at 20:13, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 12:38:18 PM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My thought about older items is that a single link to an older item 
>>> could be the starting point for someone to make something amazing. Like 
>>> various television reboots that are more interesting than the original, but 
>>> benefit from the starting point. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes that's very true. Perhaps we should agree a tag for this kind of 
>>> situation.
>>>
>>> "Old" is pejorative. "Classic" is taken. Maybe "Vintage" ?
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I think it's still usable, it just shouldn't be a first choice. Like 
"Creating a simple Contacts DB" is still a great introductory explainer 
about using ViewTemplates. 

Not everything that is old is undesirable. I hope. "Obsolete" suggests 
unusable or that there is a replacement, which isn't always the case. 
I've already started using "Deprecated" for things that have an official 
counterpart. 

Now I'm resorting to look at the thesaurus. Maybe "*Oldish*" which isn't 
quite so strong as "old" ?

Heh. Maybe Ebay terms like "*For-parts-only*" .




On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 2:20:42 PM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> "Vintage" sounds desirable nowadays! We need to communicate that this 
> stuff is no longer usable, so maybe "Obsolete"? The description can explain 
> why it's still worth including.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> --
> Jeremy Ruston
> jer...@jermolene.com
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 24 Mar 2021, at 20:13, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 12:38:18 PM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> My thought about older items is that a single link to an older item could 
>> be the starting point for someone to make something amazing. Like various 
>> television reboots that are more interesting than the original, but benefit 
>> from the starting point. 
>>
>>
>> Yes that's very true. Perhaps we should agree a tag for this kind of 
>> situation.
>>
>> "Old" is pejorative. "Classic" is taken. Maybe "Vintage" ?
>
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

"Vintage" sounds desirable nowadays! We need to communicate that this stuff is 
no longer usable, so maybe "Obsolete"? The description can explain why it's 
still worth including.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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> On 24 Mar 2021, at 20:13, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 12:38:18 PM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> My thought about older items is that a single link to an older item could 
>>> be the starting point for someone to make something amazing. Like various 
>>> television reboots that are more interesting than the original, but benefit 
>>> from the starting point. 
>> 
>> Yes that's very true. Perhaps we should agree a tag for this kind of 
>> situation.
>> 
> "Old" is pejorative. "Classic" is taken. Maybe "Vintage" ?
> 
> 
>>> 
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

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On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 12:38:18 PM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> My thought about older items is that a single link to an older item could 
> be the starting point for someone to make something amazing. Like various 
> television reboots that are more interesting than the original, but benefit 
> from the starting point. 
>
>
> Yes that's very true. Perhaps we should agree a tag for this kind of 
> situation.
>
> "Old" is pejorative. "Classic" is taken. Maybe "Vintage" ?



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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark

> Fixed skplugins. I've added URL counting to my working dashboard.

Thanks, that's great.

> My thought about older items is that a single link to an older item could be 
> the starting point for someone to make something amazing. Like various 
> television reboots that are more interesting than the original, but benefit 
> from the starting point. 

Yes that's very true. Perhaps we should agree a tag for this kind of situation.

> It's good to know I don't need to stress so much about descriptions.
> 
> Which reminds me -- will there be a search engine at some point? If not, than 
> descriptions are somewhat moot.

Yes! I'll do a little JavaScript search function as soon as I get a chance, 
unless anyone beats me to it...

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> Thanks!
> 
>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 12:09:39 PM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Permalink seems to be available on skplugins, but the other two are indeed 
>> too old for them. And indeed are so old that we probably shouldn’t be 
>> promoting the information they contain too hard.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On 24 Mar 2021, at 17:03, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
  wrote:
 
>>> I've gone through and removed or disambiguated  duplicates except for these 
>>> older pages where it's not possible to permalink (AFAIK) :
>>> 
>>> http://tiddlystuff.tiddlyspot.com/ 3  
>>> http://skplugins.tiddlyspot.com/ 4  
>>> http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/ 5  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 7:29:46 AM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:
 Note that some links that have the same landing page actually have 
 different descriptions and Tags. This is usually because the page was made 
 before permalinks were available.
 
 Older TW's didn't have the permalink button, but did they still have 
 permalinks? Is their some backward compatible code that could generate 
 them?
 
 Is there a handy filter that would detect duplicate url's without nesting?
 
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 6:53:20 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
> One thing I’m noticing is that you have multiple $:/tags/Link entries 
> pointing to the same URL. It doesn’t break the system or anything, but 
> perhaps it would make more sense for the scraper to merge multiple 
> entries with the same URL from the same contributor. We would merge the 
> tags, and concatenate the descriptions. Alternately, I could make you a 
> script that you could paste into the JS console to do that merging on 
> your original bookmarks.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
>>> On 24 Mar 2021, at 13:40, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> Saq's page is very nice, but he didn't extract the url or apply tags, so 
>> it's actually harder to use than the source MD.
>> 
>> My methodology. I use an advanced text editor and split the original 
>> text into fields with pipes. 
>> I paste the text into an "incoming" tiddler.
>> I've written a tiddler that will split the incoming items, apply 
>> specified tags, populate the url field, and add a unique identifier to 
>> avoid tiddler name collisions.
>> Then I use a dashboard tiddler to browse the new entries. This makes it 
>> easier to browse the new entries, change tags, long text, and url. I can 
>> also click on a link to check if the link is working. Often I would 
>> tweak the link to use the exact permalink. Tiddlers can then be approved 
>> or marked as a problem.
>> 
>> This is done in batches by sub-topics to help reduce errors. Rinse. 
>> Repeat.
>> 
>> Of the various steps, it is checking the link that is slowest -- having 
>> to look back and forth, and often authors "hide" the bit you want.  I 
>> checked each link for the first 218 submissions. After that I decided to 
>> mark items for review and come back and double-check links later, like 
>> when I was really bored. Of the next 50 I added, ONE had a missing url 
>> problem. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 3:19:19 AM UTC-7 Mohammad wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 1:34 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
> @Birthe and @Mohammad:
> 
> This is the same content but should be a lot less resource intensive 
> to work with:
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap2.html
 
 Thanks Saq! This is much suitable to create the entries for TW link 
 aggregator.
>>> 
 
 
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 8:24:06 AM UTC+1 strikke...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
> Mohammad,
> Is this the link? 
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap.html I do not 
> remember the link, but I think Mark S did something similar testing 
> notowritey.
> 
> Birthe
> 
> 

Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Fixed skplugins. I've added URL counting to my working dashboard.

My thought about older items is that a single link to an older item could 
be the starting point for someone to make something amazing. Like various 
television reboots that are more interesting than the original, but benefit 
from the starting point. 

It's good to know I don't need to stress so much about descriptions.

Which reminds me -- will there be a search engine at some point? If not, 
than descriptions are somewhat moot.

Thanks!

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 12:09:39 PM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Permalink seems to be available on skplugins, but the other two are indeed 
> too old for them. And indeed are so old that we probably shouldn’t be 
> promoting the information they contain too hard.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
>
> On 24 Mar 2021, at 17:03, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> I've gone through and removed or disambiguated  duplicates except for 
> these older pages where it's not possible to permalink (AFAIK) :
>
> http://tiddlystuff.tiddlyspot.com/ 3  
> http://skplugins.tiddlyspot.com/ 4  
> http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/ 5  
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 7:29:46 AM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> Note that some links that have the same landing page actually have 
>> different descriptions and Tags. This is usually because the page was made 
>> before permalinks were available.
>>
>> Older TW's didn't have the permalink button, but did they still have 
>> permalinks? Is their some backward compatible code that could generate them?
>>
>> Is there a handy filter that would detect duplicate url's without nesting?
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 6:53:20 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One thing I’m noticing is that you have multiple $:/tags/Link entries 
>>> pointing to the same URL. It doesn’t break the system or anything, but 
>>> perhaps it would make more sense for the scraper to merge multiple entries 
>>> with the same URL from the same contributor. We would merge the tags, and 
>>> concatenate the descriptions. Alternately, I could make you a script that 
>>> you could paste into the JS console to do that merging on your original 
>>> bookmarks.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>> On 24 Mar 2021, at 13:40, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Saq's page is very nice, but he didn't extract the url or apply tags, so 
>>> it's actually harder to use than the source MD.
>>>
>>> My methodology. I use an advanced text editor and split the original 
>>> text into fields with pipes. 
>>> I paste the text into an "incoming" tiddler.
>>> I've written a tiddler that will split the incoming items, apply 
>>> specified tags, populate the url field, and add a unique identifier to 
>>> avoid tiddler name collisions.
>>> Then I use a dashboard tiddler to browse the new entries. This makes it 
>>> easier to browse the new entries, change tags, long text, and url. I can 
>>> also click on a link to check if the link is working. Often I would tweak 
>>> the link to use the exact permalink. Tiddlers can then be approved or 
>>> marked as a problem.
>>>
>>> This is done in batches by sub-topics to help reduce errors. Rinse. 
>>> Repeat.
>>>
>>> Of the various steps, it is checking the link that is slowest -- having 
>>> to look back and forth, and often authors "hide" the bit you want.  I 
>>> checked each link for the first 218 submissions. After that I decided to 
>>> mark items for review and come back and double-check links later, like when 
>>> I was really bored. Of the next 50 I added, ONE had a missing url problem. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 3:19:19 AM UTC-7 Mohammad wrote:
>>>
 On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 1:34 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> @Birthe and @Mohammad:
>
> This is the same content but should be a lot less resource intensive 
> to work with:
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap2.html
>

 Thanks Saq! This is much suitable to create the entries for TW link 
 aggregator.

>
>
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 8:24:06 AM UTC+1 strikke...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Mohammad,
>> Is this the link? 
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap.html I do 
>> not remember the link, but I think Mark S did something similar testing 
>> notowritey.
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>>
>> onsdag den 24. marts 2021 kl. 06.05.51 UTC+1 skrev Mohammad:
>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>>  I really appreciate your efforts! I think you should develop a 
>>> small code to do the conversion from Toolmap to link aggregator! I know 
>>> Saq 
>>> converted Toolmaps entry to TW tiddlers sometimes ago, but I forgot the 
>>> link to that Tiddlywiki!
>>>  I know this work is tedious and like you I think the current 
>>> configuration is not the best! Like you I think Jeremy shall 

Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

It’s for us to decide collectively how we want the system to run, and we can 
keep changing it until it settles down into something that is useful for us.

My starting position was to try to gently encourage brevity, but not to 
truncate or limit the length of the descriptions.

That’s why, for example, only inline formatting is available within the 
descriptions. I think that’s right; these are not supposed to be mini-documents 
with headings and bullet points, they work better as brief descriptions.

Best wishes

Jeremy



> On 24 Mar 2021, at 18:46, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> Noticing that someone has just posted links with full length descriptions.
> 
> So . how seriously do we need to take this description limit? Is it 
> likely to change?
> 
> What I've found with the links I've entered is that a lot of source 
> descriptions contain unnecessary narrative, background, how-it-works, or 
> how-to-use-it info. 
> 
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 10:03:25 AM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:
> I've gone through and removed or disambiguated  duplicates except for these 
> older pages where it's not possible to permalink (AFAIK) :
> 
> http://tiddlystuff.tiddlyspot.com/  3 
>   
> http://skplugins.tiddlyspot.com/  4 
>   
> http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/  5 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 7:29:46 AM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:
> Note that some links that have the same landing page actually have different 
> descriptions and Tags. This is usually because the page was made before 
> permalinks were available.
> 
> Older TW's didn't have the permalink button, but did they still have 
> permalinks? Is their some backward compatible code that could generate them?
> 
> Is there a handy filter that would detect duplicate url's without nesting?
> 
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 6:53:20 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> One thing I’m noticing is that you have multiple $:/tags/Link entries 
> pointing to the same URL. It doesn’t break the system or anything, but 
> perhaps it would make more sense for the scraper to merge multiple entries 
> with the same URL from the same contributor. We would merge the tags, and 
> concatenate the descriptions. Alternately, I could make you a script that you 
> could paste into the JS console to do that merging on your original bookmarks.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
>> On 24 Mar 2021, at 13:40, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>> > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Saq's page is very nice, but he didn't extract the url or apply tags, so 
>> it's actually harder to use than the source MD.
>> 
>> My methodology. I use an advanced text editor and split the original text 
>> into fields with pipes. 
>> I paste the text into an "incoming" tiddler.
>> I've written a tiddler that will split the incoming items, apply specified 
>> tags, populate the url field, and add a unique identifier to avoid tiddler 
>> name collisions.
>> Then I use a dashboard tiddler to browse the new entries. This makes it 
>> easier to browse the new entries, change tags, long text, and url. I can 
>> also click on a link to check if the link is working. Often I would tweak 
>> the link to use the exact permalink. Tiddlers can then be approved or marked 
>> as a problem.
>> 
>> This is done in batches by sub-topics to help reduce errors. Rinse. Repeat.
>> 
>> Of the various steps, it is checking the link that is slowest -- having to 
>> look back and forth, and often authors "hide" the bit you want.  I checked 
>> each link for the first 218 submissions. After that I decided to mark items 
>> for review and come back and double-check links later, like when I was 
>> really bored. Of the next 50 I added, ONE had a missing url problem. 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 3:19:19 AM UTC-7 Mohammad wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 1:34 PM Saq Imtiaz > wrote:
>> @Birthe and @Mohammad:
>> 
>> This is the same content but should be a lot less resource intensive to work 
>> with:
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap2.html 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks Saq! This is much suitable to create the entries for TW link 
>> aggregator.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 8:24:06 AM UTC+1 strikke...@gmail.com <> 
>> wrote:
>> Mohammad,
>> Is this the link? 
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap.html 
>>  I do not 
>> remember the link, but I think Mark S did something similar testing 
>> notowritey.
>> 
>> Birthe
>> 
>> 
>> onsdag den 24. marts 2021 kl. 06.05.51 UTC+1 skrev Mohammad:
>> Hi Mark,
>>  I really appreciate your efforts! I think you should develop a small code 
>> to do the conversion from Toolmap to link aggregator! I know Saq converted 
>> Toolmaps entry to TW tiddlers sometimes ago, but I forgot the link to that 
>> Tiddlywiki!
>> 

Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Noticing that someone has just posted links with full length descriptions.

So . how seriously do we need to take this description limit? Is it 
likely to change?

What I've found with the links I've entered is that a lot of source 
descriptions contain unnecessary narrative, background, how-it-works, or 
how-to-use-it info. 

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 10:03:25 AM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:

> I've gone through and removed or disambiguated  duplicates except for 
> these older pages where it's not possible to permalink (AFAIK) :
>
> http://tiddlystuff.tiddlyspot.com/ 3 <#m_-778121542197731_3>  
> http://skplugins.tiddlyspot.com/ 4 <#m_-778121542197731_4>  
> http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/ 5 <#m_-778121542197731_5>  
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 7:29:46 AM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> Note that some links that have the same landing page actually have 
>> different descriptions and Tags. This is usually because the page was made 
>> before permalinks were available.
>>
>> Older TW's didn't have the permalink button, but did they still have 
>> permalinks? Is their some backward compatible code that could generate them?
>>
>> Is there a handy filter that would detect duplicate url's without nesting?
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 6:53:20 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One thing I’m noticing is that you have multiple $:/tags/Link entries 
>>> pointing to the same URL. It doesn’t break the system or anything, but 
>>> perhaps it would make more sense for the scraper to merge multiple entries 
>>> with the same URL from the same contributor. We would merge the tags, and 
>>> concatenate the descriptions. Alternately, I could make you a script that 
>>> you could paste into the JS console to do that merging on your original 
>>> bookmarks.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>> On 24 Mar 2021, at 13:40, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Saq's page is very nice, but he didn't extract the url or apply tags, so 
>>> it's actually harder to use than the source MD.
>>>
>>> My methodology. I use an advanced text editor and split the original 
>>> text into fields with pipes. 
>>> I paste the text into an "incoming" tiddler.
>>> I've written a tiddler that will split the incoming items, apply 
>>> specified tags, populate the url field, and add a unique identifier to 
>>> avoid tiddler name collisions.
>>> Then I use a dashboard tiddler to browse the new entries. This makes it 
>>> easier to browse the new entries, change tags, long text, and url. I can 
>>> also click on a link to check if the link is working. Often I would tweak 
>>> the link to use the exact permalink. Tiddlers can then be approved or 
>>> marked as a problem.
>>>
>>> This is done in batches by sub-topics to help reduce errors. Rinse. 
>>> Repeat.
>>>
>>> Of the various steps, it is checking the link that is slowest -- having 
>>> to look back and forth, and often authors "hide" the bit you want.  I 
>>> checked each link for the first 218 submissions. After that I decided to 
>>> mark items for review and come back and double-check links later, like when 
>>> I was really bored. Of the next 50 I added, ONE had a missing url problem. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 3:19:19 AM UTC-7 Mohammad wrote:
>>>
 On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 1:34 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> @Birthe and @Mohammad:
>
> This is the same content but should be a lot less resource intensive 
> to work with:
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap2.html
>

 Thanks Saq! This is much suitable to create the entries for TW link 
 aggregator.

>
>
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 8:24:06 AM UTC+1 strikke...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Mohammad,
>> Is this the link? 
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap.html I do 
>> not remember the link, but I think Mark S did something similar testing 
>> notowritey.
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>>
>> onsdag den 24. marts 2021 kl. 06.05.51 UTC+1 skrev Mohammad:
>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>>  I really appreciate your efforts! I think you should develop a 
>>> small code to do the conversion from Toolmap to link aggregator! I know 
>>> Saq 
>>> converted Toolmaps entry to TW tiddlers sometimes ago, but I forgot the 
>>> link to that Tiddlywiki!
>>>  I know this work is tedious and like you I think the current 
>>> configuration is not the best! Like you I think Jeremy shall remove the 
>>> restriction on description, ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 9:03 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Out of nearly 300 entries, less than 1% had url errors. I was 
 hoping to do follow-ups with the w3c link validator, but it doesn't 
 recognize the 

Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I've gone through and removed or disambiguated  duplicates except for these 
older pages where it's not possible to permalink (AFAIK) :

http://tiddlystuff.tiddlyspot.com/ 3 <#3>  
http://skplugins.tiddlyspot.com/ 4 <#4>  
http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/ 5 <#5>  



On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 7:29:46 AM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:

> Note that some links that have the same landing page actually have 
> different descriptions and Tags. This is usually because the page was made 
> before permalinks were available.
>
> Older TW's didn't have the permalink button, but did they still have 
> permalinks? Is their some backward compatible code that could generate them?
>
> Is there a handy filter that would detect duplicate url's without nesting?
>
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 6:53:20 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> One thing I’m noticing is that you have multiple $:/tags/Link entries 
>> pointing to the same URL. It doesn’t break the system or anything, but 
>> perhaps it would make more sense for the scraper to merge multiple entries 
>> with the same URL from the same contributor. We would merge the tags, and 
>> concatenate the descriptions. Alternately, I could make you a script that 
>> you could paste into the JS console to do that merging on your original 
>> bookmarks.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>> On 24 Mar 2021, at 13:40, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Saq's page is very nice, but he didn't extract the url or apply tags, so 
>> it's actually harder to use than the source MD.
>>
>> My methodology. I use an advanced text editor and split the original text 
>> into fields with pipes. 
>> I paste the text into an "incoming" tiddler.
>> I've written a tiddler that will split the incoming items, apply 
>> specified tags, populate the url field, and add a unique identifier to 
>> avoid tiddler name collisions.
>> Then I use a dashboard tiddler to browse the new entries. This makes it 
>> easier to browse the new entries, change tags, long text, and url. I can 
>> also click on a link to check if the link is working. Often I would tweak 
>> the link to use the exact permalink. Tiddlers can then be approved or 
>> marked as a problem.
>>
>> This is done in batches by sub-topics to help reduce errors. Rinse. 
>> Repeat.
>>
>> Of the various steps, it is checking the link that is slowest -- having 
>> to look back and forth, and often authors "hide" the bit you want.  I 
>> checked each link for the first 218 submissions. After that I decided to 
>> mark items for review and come back and double-check links later, like when 
>> I was really bored. Of the next 50 I added, ONE had a missing url problem. 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 3:19:19 AM UTC-7 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 1:34 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>>
 @Birthe and @Mohammad:

 This is the same content but should be a lot less resource intensive to 
 work with:
 https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap2.html

>>>
>>> Thanks Saq! This is much suitable to create the entries for TW link 
>>> aggregator.
>>>


 On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 8:24:06 AM UTC+1 strikke...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Mohammad,
> Is this the link? 
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap.html I do not 
> remember the link, but I think Mark S did something similar testing 
> notowritey.
>
> Birthe
>
>
> onsdag den 24. marts 2021 kl. 06.05.51 UTC+1 skrev Mohammad:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>  I really appreciate your efforts! I think you should develop a small 
>> code to do the conversion from Toolmap to link aggregator! I know Saq 
>> converted Toolmaps entry to TW tiddlers sometimes ago, but I forgot the 
>> link to that Tiddlywiki!
>>  I know this work is tedious and like you I think the current 
>> configuration is not the best! Like you I think Jeremy shall remove the 
>> restriction on description, ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 9:03 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Out of nearly 300 entries, less than 1% had url errors. I was hoping 
>>> to do follow-ups with the w3c link validator, but it doesn't recognize 
>>> the 
>>> site as a document. The standard link-checker software said everything 
>>> was 
>>> ok, but obviously that's wrong.
>>>
>>> I've removed the entry with a bad url.
>>>
>>> I will stop working for now. It's VERY tedious condensing 
>>> descriptions to 10 words and supplying tags. Mistakes are bound to 
>>> happen. 
>>>
>>> The last thing I need is to find people upset with my work. If 
>>> requested, I can roll back existing entrees.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 6:25:32 PM UTC-7 dieg...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Note that some links that have the same landing page actually have 
different descriptions and Tags. This is usually because the page was made 
before permalinks were available.

Older TW's didn't have the permalink button, but did they still have 
permalinks? Is their some backward compatible code that could generate them?

Is there a handy filter that would detect duplicate url's without nesting?

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 6:53:20 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> One thing I’m noticing is that you have multiple $:/tags/Link entries 
> pointing to the same URL. It doesn’t break the system or anything, but 
> perhaps it would make more sense for the scraper to merge multiple entries 
> with the same URL from the same contributor. We would merge the tags, and 
> concatenate the descriptions. Alternately, I could make you a script that 
> you could paste into the JS console to do that merging on your original 
> bookmarks.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 24 Mar 2021, at 13:40, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Saq's page is very nice, but he didn't extract the url or apply tags, so 
> it's actually harder to use than the source MD.
>
> My methodology. I use an advanced text editor and split the original text 
> into fields with pipes. 
> I paste the text into an "incoming" tiddler.
> I've written a tiddler that will split the incoming items, apply specified 
> tags, populate the url field, and add a unique identifier to avoid tiddler 
> name collisions.
> Then I use a dashboard tiddler to browse the new entries. This makes it 
> easier to browse the new entries, change tags, long text, and url. I can 
> also click on a link to check if the link is working. Often I would tweak 
> the link to use the exact permalink. Tiddlers can then be approved or 
> marked as a problem.
>
> This is done in batches by sub-topics to help reduce errors. Rinse. Repeat.
>
> Of the various steps, it is checking the link that is slowest -- having to 
> look back and forth, and often authors "hide" the bit you want.  I checked 
> each link for the first 218 submissions. After that I decided to mark items 
> for review and come back and double-check links later, like when I was 
> really bored. Of the next 50 I added, ONE had a missing url problem. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 3:19:19 AM UTC-7 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 1:34 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>
>>> @Birthe and @Mohammad:
>>>
>>> This is the same content but should be a lot less resource intensive to 
>>> work with:
>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap2.html
>>>
>>
>> Thanks Saq! This is much suitable to create the entries for TW link 
>> aggregator.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 8:24:06 AM UTC+1 strikke...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Mohammad,
 Is this the link? 
 https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap.html I do not 
 remember the link, but I think Mark S did something similar testing 
 notowritey.

 Birthe


 onsdag den 24. marts 2021 kl. 06.05.51 UTC+1 skrev Mohammad:

> Hi Mark,
>  I really appreciate your efforts! I think you should develop a small 
> code to do the conversion from Toolmap to link aggregator! I know Saq 
> converted Toolmaps entry to TW tiddlers sometimes ago, but I forgot the 
> link to that Tiddlywiki!
>  I know this work is tedious and like you I think the current 
> configuration is not the best! Like you I think Jeremy shall remove the 
> restriction on description, ...
>
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 9:03 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Out of nearly 300 entries, less than 1% had url errors. I was hoping 
>> to do follow-ups with the w3c link validator, but it doesn't recognize 
>> the 
>> site as a document. The standard link-checker software said everything 
>> was 
>> ok, but obviously that's wrong.
>>
>> I've removed the entry with a bad url.
>>
>> I will stop working for now. It's VERY tedious condensing 
>> descriptions to 10 words and supplying tags. Mistakes are bound to 
>> happen. 
>>
>> The last thing I need is to find people upset with my work. If 
>> requested, I can roll back existing entrees.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 6:25:32 PM UTC-7 dieg...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There should also be a tag to indicate "highest supported version" 
>>> or something similar if relevant (for plugins, for example) and its 
>>> known. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:09:59 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
 There should be a way to report dead links. LibreNote, for example, 
 turns up a 404. Someone is adding links without even checking them 
 first.

 Also, giffmex.org has 

Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

One thing I’m noticing is that you have multiple $:/tags/Link entries pointing 
to the same URL. It doesn’t break the system or anything, but perhaps it would 
make more sense for the scraper to merge multiple entries with the same URL 
from the same contributor. We would merge the tags, and concatenate the 
descriptions. Alternately, I could make you a script that you could paste into 
the JS console to do that merging on your original bookmarks.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 24 Mar 2021, at 13:40, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> Saq's page is very nice, but he didn't extract the url or apply tags, so it's 
> actually harder to use than the source MD.
> 
> My methodology. I use an advanced text editor and split the original text 
> into fields with pipes. 
> I paste the text into an "incoming" tiddler.
> I've written a tiddler that will split the incoming items, apply specified 
> tags, populate the url field, and add a unique identifier to avoid tiddler 
> name collisions.
> Then I use a dashboard tiddler to browse the new entries. This makes it 
> easier to browse the new entries, change tags, long text, and url. I can also 
> click on a link to check if the link is working. Often I would tweak the link 
> to use the exact permalink. Tiddlers can then be approved or marked as a 
> problem.
> 
> This is done in batches by sub-topics to help reduce errors. Rinse. Repeat.
> 
> Of the various steps, it is checking the link that is slowest -- having to 
> look back and forth, and often authors "hide" the bit you want.  I checked 
> each link for the first 218 submissions. After that I decided to mark items 
> for review and come back and double-check links later, like when I was really 
> bored. Of the next 50 I added, ONE had a missing url problem. 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 3:19:19 AM UTC-7 Mohammad wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 1:34 PM Saq Imtiaz  > wrote:
> @Birthe and @Mohammad:
> 
> This is the same content but should be a lot less resource intensive to work 
> with:
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap2.html 
> 
> 
> Thanks Saq! This is much suitable to create the entries for TW link 
> aggregator.
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 8:24:06 AM UTC+1 strikke...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> Mohammad,
> Is this the link? 
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap.html 
>  I do not 
> remember the link, but I think Mark S did something similar testing 
> notowritey.
> 
> Birthe
> 
> 
> onsdag den 24. marts 2021 kl. 06.05.51 UTC+1 skrev Mohammad:
> Hi Mark,
>  I really appreciate your efforts! I think you should develop a small code to 
> do the conversion from Toolmap to link aggregator! I know Saq converted 
> Toolmaps entry to TW tiddlers sometimes ago, but I forgot the link to that 
> Tiddlywiki!
>  I know this work is tedious and like you I think the current configuration 
> is not the best! Like you I think Jeremy shall remove the restriction on 
> description, ...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 9:03 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
> > wrote:
> Out of nearly 300 entries, less than 1% had url errors. I was hoping to do 
> follow-ups with the w3c link validator, but it doesn't recognize the site as 
> a document. The standard link-checker software said everything was ok, but 
> obviously that's wrong.
> 
> I've removed the entry with a bad url.
> 
> I will stop working for now. It's VERY tedious condensing descriptions to 10 
> words and supplying tags. Mistakes are bound to happen. 
> 
> The last thing I need is to find people upset with my work. If requested, I 
> can roll back existing entrees.
> 
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 6:25:32 PM UTC-7 dieg...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> There should also be a tag to indicate "highest supported version" or 
> something similar if relevant (for plugins, for example) and its known. 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:09:59 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
> There should be a way to report dead links. LibreNote, for example, turns up 
> a 404. Someone is adding links without even checking them first.
> 
> Also, giffmex.org  has been https:// since early 2020. 
> If those adding links to giffmex.org  could convert them 
> from http: to https:, that would be appreciated.
> 
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark

> I see the dangers of jumping the gun. Many of the titles I created have a 
> unique two character identifier prepended so that I didn't accidentally 
> overwrite existing tiddlers.

Indeed, some of the changes we’re discussing here perhaps would need a bulk 
transformation applied to existing bookmarks, but hopefully we can go a long 
way without breaking backwards compatibility with existing bookmark collections.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 5:53:14 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
> Actually, thinking about it, perhaps there's an even more obvious option: to 
> use the original title of the $:/tags/Link tiddler, which the scraper 
> currently throws away.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> --
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> jer...@jermolene.com 
> https://jermolene.com 
> 
>> On 24 Mar 2021, at 12:51, PMario > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 10:17:14 AM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if we might simplify things further and switch to using two fields 
>> to describe each link: a one-line heading that’s 5-10 words, and a longer, 
>> optional description that usually requires a click to reveal. That’s 
>> actually how del.icio.us  modelled links.
>> 
>> These would map onto the “caption” and “text” fields of the links. To make 
>> it backwards compatible, if the caption field is present, the system would 
>> take it as the headline, and the text field as the description, or if the 
>> caption field is missing, the system would take the headline from the text 
>> field.
>> 
>> Please use a "subtitle" field instead of the caption field! There are 
>> several threads here in the group already, that discuss similar topics. 
>> "captions" are used to make titles short, so they fit into tabs.
>> 
>> Subtitles imo are between the "description" and the "title" field. 
>> descriptions may have several lines. Subtitles may have several words.
>> 
>> -mario
>> 
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I see the dangers of jumping the gun. Many of the titles I created have a 
unique two character identifier prepended so that I didn't accidentally 
overwrite existing tiddlers.

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 5:53:14 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Actually, thinking about it, perhaps there's an even more obvious option: 
> to use the original title of the $:/tags/Link tiddler, which the scraper 
> currently throws away.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> --
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> jer...@jermolene.com
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 24 Mar 2021, at 12:51, PMario  wrote:
>
> 
>
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 10:17:14 AM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I wonder if we might simplify things further and switch to using two 
>> fields to describe each link: a one-line heading that’s 5-10 words, and a 
>> longer, optional description that usually requires a click to reveal. 
>> That’s actually how del.icio.us modelled links.
>>
>> These would map onto the “caption” and “text” fields of the links. To 
>> make it backwards compatible, if the caption field is present, the system 
>> would take it as the headline, and the text field as the description, or if 
>> the caption field is missing, the system would take the headline from the 
>> text field.
>>
>
> Please use a "subtitle" field instead of the caption field! There are 
> several threads here in the group already, that discuss similar topics. 
> "captions" are used to make titles short, so they fit into tabs.
>
> Subtitles imo are between the "description" and the "title" field. 
> descriptions may have several lines. Subtitles may have several words.
>
> -mario
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 2:20:06 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> As it happens, I do plan an improvement which I think would address both 
>> issues: to start using Puppeteer to load each link URL, check for 404s, 
>> take a screenshot, extract the page title, and to record the URL after any 
>> redirections.
>>
>>
> If we extracted and saved the document title at the same time, it might be 
> interesting to explore using that as the displayed title in the bookmarks 
> aggregator, with the URL in a subtitle. This might be more intuitive to 
> readers as URLs alone don't convey that much information of interest to end 
> users.
>
>
>
>

I've been making links (permalink) to tiddlers. The tiddler title for a 
particular topic may be different than the document title.  

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mario

> My tiddler titles are "link-friendly" [1] there is no slugify needed. The 
> disadvantage is, that linked-lists don't look good.

What do you mean by “linked-lists”? We’ll still need to slugify titles for 
making URLs.

> That's why I would like to use a "subtitle" field for lists. Similar to the 
> caption field for tabs.
> 
> So if a subtitle is there, use it - If not use the title. 

That sounds reasonable.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[PMario]

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 1:53:14 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> Actually, thinking about it, perhaps there's an even more obvious option: 
> to use the original title of the $:/tags/Link tiddler, which the scraper 
> currently throws away.
>

My tiddler titles are "link-friendly" [1] there is no slugify needed. The 
disadvantage is, that linked-lists don't look good. That's why I would like 
to use a "subtitle" field for lists. Similar to the caption field for tabs.

So if a subtitle is there, use it - If not use the title. 

-mario

[1] https://wikilabs.github.io/#new-tiddler-from-search

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

Actually, thinking about it, perhaps there's an even more obvious option: to 
use the original title of the $:/tags/Link tiddler, which the scraper currently 
throws away.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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> On 24 Mar 2021, at 12:51, PMario  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 10:17:14 AM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if we might simplify things further and switch to using two fields 
>> to describe each link: a one-line heading that’s 5-10 words, and a longer, 
>> optional description that usually requires a click to reveal. That’s 
>> actually how del.icio.us modelled links.
>> 
>> These would map onto the “caption” and “text” fields of the links. To make 
>> it backwards compatible, if the caption field is present, the system would 
>> take it as the headline, and the text field as the description, or if the 
>> caption field is missing, the system would take the headline from the text 
>> field.
> 
> 
> Please use a "subtitle" field instead of the caption field! There are several 
> threads here in the group already, that discuss similar topics. "captions" 
> are used to make titles short, so they fit into tabs.
> 
> Subtitles imo are between the "description" and the "title" field. 
> descriptions may have several lines. Subtitles may have several words.
> 
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[PMario]

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 10:17:14 AM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

I wonder if we might simplify things further and switch to using two fields 
> to describe each link: a one-line heading that’s 5-10 words, and a longer, 
> optional description that usually requires a click to reveal. That’s 
> actually how del.icio.us modelled links.
>
> These would map onto the “caption” and “text” fields of the links. To make 
> it backwards compatible, if the caption field is present, the system would 
> take it as the headline, and the text field as the description, or if the 
> caption field is missing, the system would take the headline from the text 
> field.
>

Please use a "subtitle" field instead of the caption field! There are 
several threads here in the group already, that discuss similar topics. 
"captions" are used to make titles short, so they fit into tabs.

Subtitles imo are between the "description" and the "title" field. 
descriptions may have several lines. Subtitles may have several words.

-mario

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

> As it happens, I do plan an improvement which I think would address both 
> issues: to start using Puppeteer to load each link URL, check for 404s, take 
> a screenshot, extract the page title, and to record the URL after any 
> redirections.
> 
> 
> If we extracted and saved the document title at the same time, it might be 
> interesting to explore using that as the displayed title in the bookmarks 
> aggregator, with the URL in a subtitle. This might be more intuitive to 
> readers as URLs alone don't convey that much information of interest to end 
> users.

Exactly, I should have added extracting the favicon too.

The hold up is that at the moment the entire system runs from cold each time, 
fetching all the link wikis, and building the static site. To make the 
Puppeteer stuff practical, we’d have to be able to just run newly added sites 
through puppeteer, and retain previously recorded screenshots etc in the repo. 

The scraper is pretty dumb and simple right now. One thing we might want to 
look at is more ambitious existing libraries that we can use.

Best wishes

Jeremy


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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Saq Imtiaz]

Hi Jeremy, 
 

> As it happens, I do plan an improvement which I think would address both 
> issues: to start using Puppeteer to load each link URL, check for 404s, 
> take a screenshot, extract the page title, and to record the URL after any 
> redirections.
>
>
If we extracted and saved the document title at the same time, it might be 
interesting to explore using that as the displayed title in the bookmarks 
aggregator, with the URL in a subtitle. This might be more intuitive to 
readers as URLs alone don't convey that much information of interest to end 
users.

Cheers,
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

> There should also be a tag to indicate "highest supported version" or 
> something similar if relevant (for plugins, for example) and its known. 

I’m hoping we’ll evolve a basic set of a couple of dozen universal tags that 
will adequately cover 80% of the entries, with no doubt a long tail of a 
hundred tags that are only used once.

We could then reify those core tags that are recognised by the system by giving 
them icons and colour codes so that they stand out more, and slightly 
de-emphasising the unrecognised tags. That would make deviations from the 
standard tags more visible, enabling us to correct them, or correct the 
guidelines we’re using.

We could also make little tools to help the contributing editors: for example, 
a means to highlight and edit the non-standard tags on a set of bookmarks.

Best wishes

Jeremy



> 
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:09:59 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
> There should be a way to report dead links. LibreNote, for example, turns up 
> a 404. Someone is adding links without even checking them first.
> 
> Also, giffmex.org  has been https:// since early 2020. 
> If those adding links to giffmex.org  could convert them 
> from http: to https:, that would be appreciated.
> 
> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 11:00:23 AM UTC-6 jeremy...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> One of the obstacles we face as a community is that we don’t have a good 
> place for us to curate and share bookmarks to useful resources. Dave Gifford 
> has shown what's possible with his ToolMap, an invaluable community resource. 
> But it’s a huge challenge for any one person to keep an undertaking like that 
> up to date, let alone complete.
> 
> So, I’m pleased to announce TiddlyWikiLinks, a community links aggregator 
> that allows us to collectively curate bookmarks:
> 
> https://links.tiddlywiki.com 
> 
> The way it works is that multiple contributing editors each maintain their 
> own TiddlyWiki containing their bookmarks. These wikis are registered with 
> the system on GitHub, and then at intervals a script retrieves all the links 
> and aggregates them together into a new wiki.
> 
> The above links are to a static rendering to help Google find things, but the 
> information is also available in TiddlyWiki format:
> 
> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/wiki.html 
> 
> 
> It’s easy to set up to be a contributing editor.  The main requirement is 
> that bookmarks be kept as tiddlers tagged "$:/tags/Link" with an “url” field 
> containing the URL. So, for example, I’m “jermolene”, and all my links are to 
> be found at:
> 
> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/jermolene/ <>
> 
> My bookmarking wiki is here:
> 
> https://jermolene-links.tiddlyhost.com 
> 
> 
> If enough people volunteer to be contributing editors, we can spread the 
> workload and make something much more valuable than any of us could do 
> individually. I’d be happy if we had a handful of contributing link editors 
> making high quality bookmarks, but I think this system could be scaled to at 
> least a few hundred.
> 
> If you’re interested, please reply here with the URL of your bookmarking wiki 
> and your choice of username.
> 
> As ever, there’s a lot to do on the development side to take this forward:
> 
> * Improving the styling (consider the current colour scheme and styling to be 
> a placeholder!)
> * Adding JavaScript-based interactivity (particularly search)
> * Adding support for multiple languages
> * Adding an RSS/Atom feed
> 
> The development has required setting up another GitHub organisation in order 
> to get another GitHub Pages site:
> 
> https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks 
> 
> 
> (For those with long memories, this is, of course, a variation of the 
> "TWederation" archiecture we have discussed as a community for a long time).
> 
> I’ve been able to put this together in a few days thanks to all that I’ve 
> learned on my recent client projects. My personal goal for 2021 remains to 
> get a Community Plugin Library up and running for TiddlyWiki. The link 
> aggregator is a simpler proposition that should give us some valuable 
> experience for that initiative.
> 
> Questions and thoughts welcome,
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

It turns out all it wanted was the namespace:

http://www.w3.org/2000/svg;  

amazing how many tutorials you can look at that don't even mention 
namespace.


On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 7:32:01 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> That’s not valid SVG image file, it’s just an SVG element.
>
> Although the type is correct, it’s missing the required preamble:
>
> 
>  http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.1/DTD/svg11.dtd;>
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark

That’s not valid SVG image file, it’s just an SVG element.

Although the type is correct, it’s missing the required preamble:


http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.1/DTD/svg11.dtd;>

I think you’ll also need a few more attributes on the SVG element: viewBox, 
version, xml.

Best wishes

Jeremy


> On 23 Mar 2021, at 13:36, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> This is what my favicon looks like. Is there something wrong with the svg? 
> Type? It doesn't show on the tab like a favicon should. Maybe it would work 
> in the aggregator (haven't tried that yet), but it would be nice if it also 
> worked in the browser. 
> 
> Thanks!
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 2:55:17 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I can confirm that SVG favicons were already working. If they’re not working 
>> for you there might be an issue with the image. Bear in mind that it needs 
>> to be a full SVG image, with the type image/svg+xml, and not an SVG fragment 
>> as with Mat’s attempt,
> 
> Apologies, I believe it was Dave, not Mat,
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 17:24, Jeremy Ruston >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> Come to think of it, it's possible that SVG favicons break things at 
>>> present because they're text rather than binary. I'll have a look at fixing 
>>> it,
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Jeremy
>>> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 5:21:42 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:
>>> I would like to use an SVG rather than an image. Changing the type to 
>>> image/svg+xml didn't help. I'm guessing there is some tweak we have to make 
>>> to the SVG ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote:

>
> Maybe it would work in the aggregator (haven't tried that yet), but it 
> would be nice if it also worked in the browser. 
>

It was a 17 minute experiment, but it doesn't work in the aggregator either.
 

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

[image: marxsal-favicon.png]

This is what my favicon looks like. Is there something wrong with the svg? 
Type? It doesn't show on the tab like a favicon should. Maybe it would work 
in the aggregator (haven't tried that yet), but it would be nice if it also 
worked in the browser. 

Thanks!
On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 2:55:17 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> I can confirm that SVG favicons were already working. If they’re not 
> working for you there might be an issue with the image. Bear in mind that 
> it needs to be a full SVG image, with the type image/svg+xml, and not an 
> SVG fragment as with Mat’s attempt,
>
>
> Apologies, I believe it was Dave, not Mat,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 22 Mar 2021, at 17:24, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Come to think of it, it's possible that SVG favicons break things at 
> present because they're text rather than binary. I'll have a look at fixing 
> it,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 5:21:42 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:
>
>> I would like to use an SVG rather than an image. Changing the type to 
>> image/svg+xml didn't help. I'm guessing there is some tweak we have to make 
>> to the SVG ?
>>
>>
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark

> On 22 Mar 2021, at 22:14, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> That would work well enough, and be semi-intuitive in a TiddlyWiki sort of 
> way.

That’s now live, and I’ve added a note to the about page.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 2:09:28 PM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Mark
> 
> Good idea. Do you think it would be enough to exclude "$:/" system tags?
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
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>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 20:59, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> It would be handy for link management purposes if system tags (or some 
>> other tag with a designated prefix) could be ignored in processing.
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:25:48 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
>> I’ve created an issue:
>> 
>> https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks/issues/7 
>> 
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 17:24, Jeremy Ruston > wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> Come to think of it, it's possible that SVG favicons break things at 
>>> present because they're text rather than binary. I'll have a look at fixing 
>>> it,
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Jeremy
>>> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 5:21:42 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:
>>> I would like to use an SVG rather than an image. Changing the type to 
>>> image/svg+xml didn't help. I'm guessing there is some tweak we have to make 
>>> to the SVG ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

> 
> I can confirm that SVG favicons were already working. If they’re not working 
> for you there might be an issue with the image. Bear in mind that it needs to 
> be a full SVG image, with the type image/svg+xml, and not an SVG fragment as 
> with Mat’s attempt,

Apologies, I believe it was Dave, not Mat,

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 17:24, Jeremy Ruston > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Come to think of it, it's possible that SVG favicons break things at present 
>> because they're text rather than binary. I'll have a look at fixing it,
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 5:21:42 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:
>> I would like to use an SVG rather than an image. Changing the type to 
>> image/svg+xml didn't help. I'm guessing there is some tweak we have to make 
>> to the SVG ?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

I can confirm that SVG favicons were already working. If they’re not working 
for you there might be an issue with the image. Bear in mind that it needs to 
be a full SVG image, with the type image/svg+xml, and not an SVG fragment as 
with Mat’s attempt,

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 22 Mar 2021, at 17:24, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Come to think of it, it's possible that SVG favicons break things at present 
> because they're text rather than binary. I'll have a look at fixing it,
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 5:21:42 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:
> I would like to use an SVG rather than an image. Changing the type to 
> image/svg+xml didn't help. I'm guessing there is some tweak we have to make 
> to the SVG ?
> 
> 
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

That would work well enough, and be semi-intuitive in a TiddlyWiki sort of 
way.

On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 2:09:28 PM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> Good idea. Do you think it would be enough to exclude "$:/" system tags?
>
> Best wishes
>
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> On 22 Mar 2021, at 20:59, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> It would be handy for link management purposes if system tags (or some 
> other tag with a designated prefix) could be ignored in processing.
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:25:48 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I’ve created an issue:
>>
>> https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks/issues/7
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 17:24, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> Come to think of it, it's possible that SVG favicons break things at 
>> present because they're text rather than binary. I'll have a look at fixing 
>> it,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 5:21:42 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to use an SVG rather than an image. Changing the type to 
>>> image/svg+xml didn't help. I'm guessing there is some tweak we have to make 
>>> to the SVG ?
>>>
>>>


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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark

Good idea. Do you think it would be enough to exclude "$:/" system tags?

Best wishes

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> On 22 Mar 2021, at 20:59, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> It would be handy for link management purposes if system tags (or some other 
> tag with a designated prefix) could be ignored in processing.
> 
>> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:25:48 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I’ve created an issue:
>> 
>> https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks/issues/7
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
 On 22 Mar 2021, at 17:24, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> Come to think of it, it's possible that SVG favicons break things at 
>>> present because they're text rather than binary. I'll have a look at fixing 
>>> it,
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Jeremy
> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 5:21:42 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:
> I would like to use an SVG rather than an image. Changing the type to 
> image/svg+xml didn't help. I'm guessing there is some tweak we have to 
> make to the SVG ?
> 
>> 
>> 
 
 
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

It would be handy for link management purposes if system tags (or some 
other tag with a designated prefix) could be ignored in processing.

On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:25:48 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’ve created an issue:
>
> https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks/issues/7
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 22 Mar 2021, at 17:24, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Come to think of it, it's possible that SVG favicons break things at 
> present because they're text rather than binary. I'll have a look at fixing 
> it,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 5:21:42 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:
>
>> I would like to use an SVG rather than an image. Changing the type to 
>> image/svg+xml didn't help. I'm guessing there is some tweak we have to make 
>> to the SVG ?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

I’ve created an issue:

https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks/issues/7 


Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 22 Mar 2021, at 17:24, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Come to think of it, it's possible that SVG favicons break things at present 
> because they're text rather than binary. I'll have a look at fixing it,
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 5:21:42 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:
> I would like to use an SVG rather than an image. Changing the type to 
> image/svg+xml didn't help. I'm guessing there is some tweak we have to make 
> to the SVG ?
> 
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark,

Come to think of it, it's possible that SVG favicons break things at 
present because they're text rather than binary. I'll have a look at fixing 
it,

Best wishes

Jeremy
On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 5:21:42 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:

> I would like to use an SVG rather than an image. Changing the type to 
> image/svg+xml didn't help. I'm guessing there is some tweak we have to make 
> to the SVG ?
>
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I would like to use an SVG rather than an image. Changing the type to 
image/svg+xml didn't help. I'm guessing there is some tweak we have to make 
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thanks Dave, looks good now:



Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 22 Mar 2021, at 16:34, David Gifford  wrote:
> 
> Just added an ico and it shows the type, so hopefully it will be right when 
> your system refreshes.
> 
> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:32:33 AM UTC-6 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Dave
> 
> Apologies, you do indeed have a $:favicon.ico tiddler. It’s actually missing 
> a type field, so it will be interpreted as wikitext. I haven’t tested things 
> with an SVG favicon, but it may well work if the icon is fixed.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 16:29, David Gifford > > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Thanks, Jeremy! Hmmm... I did add the favicon tiddler, but maybe it was an 
>> svg rather than an ico file. Will fix this in a moment.
>> 
>> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:03:51 AM UTC-6 jeremy...@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi Dave
>> 
>> Great, I’ve added your site:
>> 
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/giffmex/ 
>> 
>> 
>> You should add a small square avatar image called $:/favicon.ico to make 
>> things look right (see below).
>> 
>> I made the initial guideline 5-10 words because I think shorter descriptions 
>> work best, but I agree that we may want to increase the guideline.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy.
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 15:57, David Gifford > wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> 1. Yay! I was wondering when the TW community would get round to this. It 
>>> really needed your initiative, Jeremy. Thanks! It will be nice when this 
>>> can take the place of the Toolmap.
>>> 
>>> 2. Correction: I add the links in TiddlyWiki toolmap to as many categories 
>>> as I think are appropriate, and ofte tell the creators to let me know if 
>>> they belong in additional categories. I recommend that people do a search 
>>> in the Toolmap to see how many categories a plugin has already. That might 
>>> give them more ideas for tags in the TWCLA.
>>> 
>>> 3. The 5-10 word limit you mentioned for descriptions is restrictive. Most 
>>> of the descriptions in the toolmap have the advantage that I have taken 
>>> them right from the plugin demo sites themselves. I try to keep them to a 
>>> line or two. People might consider the descriptions there when adding their 
>>> links.
>>> 
>>> 4. Yes, I will add a bunch of links myself! But this week I have a lot on 
>>> my plate.
>>> 
>>> 5. Could you add mine? Username: giffmex site URL: 
>>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/twcla.html 
>>> . I added one link for now to make 
>>> sure I did it right.
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 1:54:56 PM UTC-6 jeremy...@gmail.com 
>>>  wrote:
 It seems like a  first step would be to convert the community resources 
 into links. A second step might be to convert TiddlyWiki Toolmap into 
 links.
>>> 
>>> Yes to both.
>>> 
>>> One of the reasons I didn't add tiddlywiki.com  as 
>>> a source is because the tiddlers there have a bunch of other tags that 
>>> aren't meaningful in this context. So it would be great if anyone would 
>>> like to clean them up and put them in a wiki somewhere.
>>> 
>>> In the case of the Toolmap, it might well be a community effort to get 
>>> everything moved across in a useful way. As I understand it, links in the 
>>> toolmap are filed under a single set of hierarchical categories, while the 
>>> links aggregator allows for multiple topics to be assigned to each link.
>>> 
 What happens if two people share the same link?
>>> 
>>> That's a good thing! This site is modelled on an ancient "Web 2.0" site 
>>> called "del.icio.us " (see 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delicious_(website) 
>>>  ), where the idea is 
>>> that multiple people bookmarking a particular link is taken as a sign of 
>>> the popularity of that link. So, bookmarking a site is a vote of confidence.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Jeremy
>>> 
>>> 
 
 On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 12:17:16 PM UTC-7 joshua@ <>gmail.com 
  wrote:
 This is a FANTASTIC idea. Bravo. Will be digesting alongside the 
 Tiddlywiki-on-Fission work being done.
 
 Are we starting to approach a 'standard' "Link Tiddler" format? That's 
 also cool to see, as I intend to have a few different wikis to curate 
 links for various topics. Setting one up for Tiddlywiki-focused bookmarks 
 only will be easy. :)
 
 Best,
 Joshua Fontany
 
 On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 12:09:43 PM UTC-7 Mat wrote:
 Well, it should come as no surprise what I think of this:
 
 HOOORAYYY
 
 Thank you Jeremy! I'll sign up as soon as I figure out a good wiki for it.
 Two notes:
 
 1) The links at TiddlyWikiLinks currently don't seem to work. E.g clicking 
 on federatial.com  

Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[David Gifford]

Just added an ico and it shows the type, so hopefully it will be right when 
your system refreshes.

On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:32:33 AM UTC-6 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Dave
>
> Apologies, you do indeed have a $:favicon.ico tiddler. It’s actually 
> missing a type field, so it will be interpreted as wikitext. I haven’t 
> tested things with an SVG favicon, but it may well work if the icon is 
> fixed.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
> On 22 Mar 2021, at 16:29, David Gifford  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jeremy! Hmmm... I did add the favicon tiddler, but maybe it was an 
> svg rather than an ico file. Will fix this in a moment.
>
> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:03:51 AM UTC-6 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave
>>
>> Great, I’ve added your site:
>>
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/giffmex/
>>
>> You should add a small square avatar image called $:/favicon.ico to make 
>> things look right (see below).
>>
>> I made the initial guideline 5-10 words because I think shorter 
>> descriptions work best, but I agree that we may want to increase the 
>> guideline.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 15:57, David Gifford  wrote:
>>
>> 1. Yay! I was wondering when the TW community would get round to this. It 
>> really needed your initiative, Jeremy. Thanks! It will be nice when this 
>> can take the place of the Toolmap.
>>
>> 2. Correction: I add the links in TiddlyWiki toolmap to as many 
>> categories as I think are appropriate, and ofte tell the creators to let me 
>> know if they belong in additional categories. I recommend that people do a 
>> search in the Toolmap to see how many categories a plugin has already. That 
>> might give them more ideas for tags in the TWCLA.
>>
>> 3. The 5-10 word limit you mentioned for descriptions is restrictive. 
>> Most of the descriptions in the toolmap have the advantage that I have 
>> taken them right from the plugin demo sites themselves. I try to keep them 
>> to a line or two. People might consider the descriptions there when adding 
>> their links.
>>
>> 4. Yes, I will add a bunch of links myself! But this week I have a lot on 
>> my plate.
>>
>> 5. *Could you add mine?* Username: giffmex site URL: 
>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/twcla.html. I added one link for now to make 
>> sure I did it right.
>>
>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 1:54:56 PM UTC-6 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It seems like a  first step would be to convert the community resources 
>>> into links. A second step might be to convert TiddlyWiki Toolmap into links.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes to both.
>>>
>>> One of the reasons I didn't add tiddlywiki.com as a source is because 
>>> the tiddlers there have a bunch of other tags that aren't meaningful in 
>>> this context. So it would be great if anyone would like to clean them up 
>>> and put them in a wiki somewhere.
>>>
>>> In the case of the Toolmap, it might well be a community effort to get 
>>> everything moved across in a useful way. As I understand it, links in the 
>>> toolmap are filed under a single set of hierarchical categories, while the 
>>> links aggregator allows for multiple topics to be assigned to each link.
>>>
>>> What happens if two people share the same link?
>>>
>>>
>>> That's a good thing! This site is modelled on an ancient "Web 2.0" site 
>>> called "del.icio.us" (see 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delicious_(website) ), where the idea is 
>>> that multiple people bookmarking a particular link is taken as a sign of 
>>> the popularity of that link. So, bookmarking a site is a vote of confidence.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 12:17:16 PM UTC-7 joshua@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is a FANTASTIC idea. Bravo. Will be digesting alongside the 
 Tiddlywiki-on-Fission work being done.

 Are we starting to approach a 'standard' "Link Tiddler" format? That's 
 also cool to see, as I intend to have a few different wikis to curate 
 links 
 for various topics. Setting one up for Tiddlywiki-focused bookmarks only 
 will be easy. :)

 Best,
 Joshua Fontany

 On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 12:09:43 PM UTC-7 Mat wrote:

> Well, it should come as no surprise what I think of this:
>
> HOOORAYYY
>
> Thank you Jeremy! I'll sign up as soon as I figure out a good wiki for 
> it.
> Two notes:
>
> 1) The links at TiddlyWikiLinks currently don't seem to work. E.g 
> clicking on federatial.com doesn't lead to that site.
> 2) There's something about Motovun Jack... and I cracked it ;-)
>
> <:-)
>
> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 6:00:23 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>> One of the obstacles we face as a community is that we don’t have a 
>> good place for us to curate and share bookmarks to useful resources. 
>> Dave 
>> Gifford has shown what's possible with his ToolMap, an invaluable 
>> community 
>> 

Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Dave

Apologies, you do indeed have a $:favicon.ico tiddler. It’s actually missing a 
type field, so it will be interpreted as wikitext. I haven’t tested things with 
an SVG favicon, but it may well work if the icon is fixed.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


> On 22 Mar 2021, at 16:29, David Gifford  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Jeremy! Hmmm... I did add the favicon tiddler, but maybe it was an 
> svg rather than an ico file. Will fix this in a moment.
> 
> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:03:51 AM UTC-6 jeremy...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> Hi Dave
> 
> Great, I’ve added your site:
> 
> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/giffmex/ 
> 
> 
> You should add a small square avatar image called $:/favicon.ico to make 
> things look right (see below).
> 
> I made the initial guideline 5-10 words because I think shorter descriptions 
> work best, but I agree that we may want to increase the guideline.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22 Mar 2021, at 15:57, David Gifford > > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> 1. Yay! I was wondering when the TW community would get round to this. It 
>> really needed your initiative, Jeremy. Thanks! It will be nice when this can 
>> take the place of the Toolmap.
>> 
>> 2. Correction: I add the links in TiddlyWiki toolmap to as many categories 
>> as I think are appropriate, and ofte tell the creators to let me know if 
>> they belong in additional categories. I recommend that people do a search in 
>> the Toolmap to see how many categories a plugin has already. That might give 
>> them more ideas for tags in the TWCLA.
>> 
>> 3. The 5-10 word limit you mentioned for descriptions is restrictive. Most 
>> of the descriptions in the toolmap have the advantage that I have taken them 
>> right from the plugin demo sites themselves. I try to keep them to a line or 
>> two. People might consider the descriptions there when adding their links.
>> 
>> 4. Yes, I will add a bunch of links myself! But this week I have a lot on my 
>> plate.
>> 
>> 5. Could you add mine? Username: giffmex site URL: 
>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/twcla.html . 
>> I added one link for now to make sure I did it right.
>> 
>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 1:54:56 PM UTC-6 jeremy...@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
>>> It seems like a  first step would be to convert the community resources 
>>> into links. A second step might be to convert TiddlyWiki Toolmap into links.
>> 
>> Yes to both.
>> 
>> One of the reasons I didn't add tiddlywiki.com  as a 
>> source is because the tiddlers there have a bunch of other tags that aren't 
>> meaningful in this context. So it would be great if anyone would like to 
>> clean them up and put them in a wiki somewhere.
>> 
>> In the case of the Toolmap, it might well be a community effort to get 
>> everything moved across in a useful way. As I understand it, links in the 
>> toolmap are filed under a single set of hierarchical categories, while the 
>> links aggregator allows for multiple topics to be assigned to each link.
>> 
>>> What happens if two people share the same link?
>> 
>> That's a good thing! This site is modelled on an ancient "Web 2.0" site 
>> called "del.icio.us " (see 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delicious_(website) 
>>  ), where the idea is 
>> that multiple people bookmarking a particular link is taken as a sign of the 
>> popularity of that link. So, bookmarking a site is a vote of confidence.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 12:17:16 PM UTC-7 joshua@ <>gmail.com 
>>>  wrote:
>>> This is a FANTASTIC idea. Bravo. Will be digesting alongside the 
>>> Tiddlywiki-on-Fission work being done.
>>> 
>>> Are we starting to approach a 'standard' "Link Tiddler" format? That's also 
>>> cool to see, as I intend to have a few different wikis to curate links for 
>>> various topics. Setting one up for Tiddlywiki-focused bookmarks only will 
>>> be easy. :)
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Joshua Fontany
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 12:09:43 PM UTC-7 Mat wrote:
>>> Well, it should come as no surprise what I think of this:
>>> 
>>> HOOORAYYY
>>> 
>>> Thank you Jeremy! I'll sign up as soon as I figure out a good wiki for it.
>>> Two notes:
>>> 
>>> 1) The links at TiddlyWikiLinks currently don't seem to work. E.g clicking 
>>> on federatial.com  doesn't lead to that site.
>>> 2) There's something about Motovun Jack... and I cracked it ;-)
>>> 
>>> <:-)
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 6:00:23 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>> One of the obstacles we face as a community is that we don’t have a good 
>>> place for us to curate and share bookmarks to useful resources. Dave 
>>> Gifford has shown what's possible with his ToolMap, an invaluable community 
>>> resource. But it’s a huge 

Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[David Gifford]

Thanks, Jeremy! Hmmm... I did add the favicon tiddler, but maybe it was an 
svg rather than an ico file. Will fix this in a moment.

On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:03:51 AM UTC-6 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Dave
>
> Great, I’ve added your site:
>
> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/giffmex/
>
> You should add a small square avatar image called $:/favicon.ico to make 
> things look right (see below).
>
> I made the initial guideline 5-10 words because I think shorter 
> descriptions work best, but I agree that we may want to increase the 
> guideline.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>  
>
>
>
> On 22 Mar 2021, at 15:57, David Gifford  wrote:
>
> 1. Yay! I was wondering when the TW community would get round to this. It 
> really needed your initiative, Jeremy. Thanks! It will be nice when this 
> can take the place of the Toolmap.
>
> 2. Correction: I add the links in TiddlyWiki toolmap to as many categories 
> as I think are appropriate, and ofte tell the creators to let me know if 
> they belong in additional categories. I recommend that people do a search 
> in the Toolmap to see how many categories a plugin has already. That might 
> give them more ideas for tags in the TWCLA.
>
> 3. The 5-10 word limit you mentioned for descriptions is restrictive. Most 
> of the descriptions in the toolmap have the advantage that I have taken 
> them right from the plugin demo sites themselves. I try to keep them to a 
> line or two. People might consider the descriptions there when adding their 
> links.
>
> 4. Yes, I will add a bunch of links myself! But this week I have a lot on 
> my plate.
>
> 5. *Could you add mine?* Username: giffmex site URL: 
> https://giffmex.org/gifts/twcla.html. I added one link for now to make 
> sure I did it right.
>
> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 1:54:56 PM UTC-6 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It seems like a  first step would be to convert the community resources 
>> into links. A second step might be to convert TiddlyWiki Toolmap into links.
>>
>>
>> Yes to both.
>>
>> One of the reasons I didn't add tiddlywiki.com as a source is because 
>> the tiddlers there have a bunch of other tags that aren't meaningful in 
>> this context. So it would be great if anyone would like to clean them up 
>> and put them in a wiki somewhere.
>>
>> In the case of the Toolmap, it might well be a community effort to get 
>> everything moved across in a useful way. As I understand it, links in the 
>> toolmap are filed under a single set of hierarchical categories, while the 
>> links aggregator allows for multiple topics to be assigned to each link.
>>
>> What happens if two people share the same link?
>>
>>
>> That's a good thing! This site is modelled on an ancient "Web 2.0" site 
>> called "del.icio.us" (see 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delicious_(website) ), where the idea is 
>> that multiple people bookmarking a particular link is taken as a sign of 
>> the popularity of that link. So, bookmarking a site is a vote of confidence.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 12:17:16 PM UTC-7 joshua@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is a FANTASTIC idea. Bravo. Will be digesting alongside the 
>>> Tiddlywiki-on-Fission work being done.
>>>
>>> Are we starting to approach a 'standard' "Link Tiddler" format? That's 
>>> also cool to see, as I intend to have a few different wikis to curate links 
>>> for various topics. Setting one up for Tiddlywiki-focused bookmarks only 
>>> will be easy. :)
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Joshua Fontany
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 12:09:43 PM UTC-7 Mat wrote:
>>>
 Well, it should come as no surprise what I think of this:

 HOOORAYYY

 Thank you Jeremy! I'll sign up as soon as I figure out a good wiki for 
 it.
 Two notes:

 1) The links at TiddlyWikiLinks currently don't seem to work. E.g 
 clicking on federatial.com doesn't lead to that site.
 2) There's something about Motovun Jack... and I cracked it ;-)

 <:-)

 On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 6:00:23 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> One of the obstacles we face as a community is that we don’t have a 
> good place for us to curate and share bookmarks to useful resources. Dave 
> Gifford has shown what's possible with his ToolMap, an invaluable 
> community 
> resource. But it’s a huge challenge for any one person to keep an 
> undertaking like that up to date, let alone complete.
>
> So, I’m pleased to announce TiddlyWikiLinks, a community links 
> aggregator that allows us to collectively curate bookmarks:
>
> https://links.tiddlywiki.com
>
> The way it works is that multiple contributing editors each maintain 
> their own TiddlyWiki containing their bookmarks. These wikis are 
> registered 
> with the system on GitHub, and then at intervals a script retrieves all 
> the 
> links and aggregates them together into a new wiki.
>
> 

Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

> Sorry if I missed something about this, but it looks as if automatic linking 
> of CamelCase is causing some dead links (for example TiddlyWiki in the 
> example tiddlers).

Ouch, thank you, I’ve made an issue here:

https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks/issues/5 


Many thanks,

Jeremy

> 
> Best wishes,
> Chris
> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 6:24:27 PM UTC-4 Mat wrote:
> Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> [...] polite to make it as small as possible.
> [...] your workflow as smooth as possible so that you've got every incentive 
> to keep posting the links...
> 
> Definitely a disconnect there.
> I've previously experimented with savers that save to two places, using 
> different saving filters. So I use my everyday wiki and click save, seemingly 
> as normal. In reality, a copy is saved to another instance but the save 
> filter filters out everything but the tiddlers tagged $:/tags/Link. The 
> aggregator fetches from this wiki only. (BTW, such a multi-saver is pretty 
> cool in itself; you could have one central wiki to publish niche content to 
> multiple niche wikis.)
> 
> BTW, fellow tiddleur Erwan deserves some cred for this concept. More so than 
> the mention of TWederation. He designed a "community plugin aggregator" many 
> suns ago. 
> 
> <:-)
> 
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

Mohammad's links are live here:

https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/kookma/

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> On 21 Mar 2021, at 19:46, Mohammad Rahmani  wrote:
> 
> 
> Many thanks Jeremy!
> 
> I have already created a PR.
> 
> I hope these questions and answers help other contributors!
> 
> 
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 11:14 PM Jeremy Ruston  
>> wrote:
>> Hi Mohammad
>> 
>>>  I followed the instructions and sent the resource url here: 
>>> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Resources/
>>>  I am not sure if registering the site in sites.json is enough or one needs 
>>> to explicitly notify you by replying here!
>> 
>> If you create a PR then I'll get a notification from GitHub, otherwise, yes 
>> people should reply here with their details.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 8:30 PM Jeremy Ruston  
 wrote:
 One of the obstacles we face as a community is that we don’t have a good 
 place for us to curate and share bookmarks to useful resources. Dave 
 Gifford has shown what's possible with his ToolMap, an invaluable 
 community resource. But it’s a huge challenge for any one person to keep 
 an undertaking like that up to date, let alone complete.
 
 So, I’m pleased to announce TiddlyWikiLinks, a community links aggregator 
 that allows us to collectively curate bookmarks:
 
 https://links.tiddlywiki.com
 
 The way it works is that multiple contributing editors each maintain their 
 own TiddlyWiki containing their bookmarks. These wikis are registered with 
 the system on GitHub, and then at intervals a script retrieves all the 
 links and aggregates them together into a new wiki.
 
 The above links are to a static rendering to help Google find things, but 
 the information is also available in TiddlyWiki format:
 
 https://links.tiddlywiki.com/wiki.html
 
 It’s easy to set up to be a contributing editor.  The main requirement is 
 that bookmarks be kept as tiddlers tagged "$:/tags/Link" with an “url” 
 field containing the URL. So, for example, I’m “jermolene”, and all my 
 links are to be found at:
 
 https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/jermolene/
 
 My bookmarking wiki is here:
 
 https://jermolene-links.tiddlyhost.com
 
 If enough people volunteer to be contributing editors, we can spread the 
 workload and make something much more valuable than any of us could do 
 individually. I’d be happy if we had a handful of contributing link 
 editors making high quality bookmarks, but I think this system could be 
 scaled to at least a few hundred.
 
 If you’re interested, please reply here with the URL of your bookmarking 
 wiki and your choice of username.
 
 As ever, there’s a lot to do on the development side to take this forward:
 
 * Improving the styling (consider the current colour scheme and styling to 
 be a placeholder!)
 * Adding JavaScript-based interactivity (particularly search)
 * Adding support for multiple languages
 * Adding an RSS/Atom feed
 
 The development has required setting up another GitHub organisation in 
 order to get another GitHub Pages site:
 
 https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks
 
 (For those with long memories, this is, of course, a variation of the 
 "TWederation" archiecture we have discussed as a community for a long 
 time).
 
 I’ve been able to put this together in a few days thanks to all that I’ve 
 learned on my recent client projects. My personal goal for 2021 remains to 
 get a Community Plugin Library up and running for TiddlyWiki. The link 
 aggregator is a simpler proposition that should give us some valuable 
 experience for that initiative.
 
 Questions and thoughts welcome,
 
 Best wishes
 
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Many thanks Jeremy!

I have already created a PR.

I hope these questions and answers help other contributors!


Best wishes
Mohammad


On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 11:14 PM Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi Mohammad
>
>  I followed the instructions and sent the resource url here:
> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Resources/
>  I am not sure if registering the site in sites.json is enough or one
> needs to explicitly notify you by replying here!
>
>
> If you create a PR then I'll get a notification from GitHub, otherwise,
> yes people should reply here with their details.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 8:30 PM Jeremy Ruston 
> wrote:
>
>> One of the obstacles we face as a community is that we don’t have a good
>> place for us to curate and share bookmarks to useful resources. Dave
>> Gifford has shown what's possible with his ToolMap, an invaluable community
>> resource. But it’s a huge challenge for any one person to keep an
>> undertaking like that up to date, let alone complete.
>>
>> So, I’m pleased to announce TiddlyWikiLinks, a community links aggregator
>> that allows us to collectively curate bookmarks:
>>
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com
>>
>> The way it works is that multiple contributing editors each maintain
>> their own TiddlyWiki containing their bookmarks. These wikis are registered
>> with the system on GitHub, and then at intervals a script retrieves all the
>> links and aggregates them together into a new wiki.
>>
>> The above links are to a static rendering to help Google find things, but
>> the information is also available in TiddlyWiki format:
>>
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/wiki.html
>>
>> It’s easy to set up to be a contributing editor.  The main requirement is
>> that bookmarks be kept as tiddlers tagged "$:/tags/Link" with an “url”
>> field containing the URL. So, for example, I’m “jermolene”, and all my
>> links are to be found at:
>>
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/jermolene/
>>
>> My bookmarking wiki is here:
>>
>> https://jermolene-links.tiddlyhost.com
>>
>> If enough people volunteer to be contributing editors, we can spread the
>> workload and make something much more valuable than any of us could do
>> individually. I’d be happy if we had a handful of contributing link editors
>> making high quality bookmarks, but I think this system could be scaled to
>> at least a few hundred.
>>
>> If you’re interested, please reply here with the URL of your bookmarking
>> wiki and your choice of username.
>>
>> As ever, there’s a lot to do on the development side to take this forward:
>>
>> * Improving the styling (consider the current colour scheme and styling
>> to be a placeholder!)
>> * Adding JavaScript-based interactivity (particularly search)
>> * Adding support for multiple languages
>> * Adding an RSS/Atom feed
>>
>> The development has required setting up another GitHub organisation in
>> order to get another GitHub Pages site:
>>
>> https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks
>>
>> (For those with long memories, this is, of course, a variation of the
>> "TWederation" archiecture we have discussed as a community for a long time).
>>
>> I’ve been able to put this together in a few days thanks to all that I’ve
>> learned on my recent client projects. My personal goal for 2021 remains to
>> get a Community Plugin Library up and running for TiddlyWiki. The link
>> aggregator is a simpler proposition that should give us some valuable
>> experience for that initiative.
>>
>> Questions and thoughts welcome,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mohammad

>  I followed the instructions and sent the resource url here: 
> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Resources/
>  I am not sure if registering the site in sites.json is enough or one needs 
> to explicitly notify you by replying here!

If you create a PR then I'll get a notification from GitHub, otherwise, yes 
people should reply here with their details.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 8:30 PM Jeremy Ruston  
>> wrote:
>> One of the obstacles we face as a community is that we don’t have a good 
>> place for us to curate and share bookmarks to useful resources. Dave Gifford 
>> has shown what's possible with his ToolMap, an invaluable community 
>> resource. But it’s a huge challenge for any one person to keep an 
>> undertaking like that up to date, let alone complete.
>> 
>> So, I’m pleased to announce TiddlyWikiLinks, a community links aggregator 
>> that allows us to collectively curate bookmarks:
>> 
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com
>> 
>> The way it works is that multiple contributing editors each maintain their 
>> own TiddlyWiki containing their bookmarks. These wikis are registered with 
>> the system on GitHub, and then at intervals a script retrieves all the links 
>> and aggregates them together into a new wiki.
>> 
>> The above links are to a static rendering to help Google find things, but 
>> the information is also available in TiddlyWiki format:
>> 
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/wiki.html
>> 
>> It’s easy to set up to be a contributing editor.  The main requirement is 
>> that bookmarks be kept as tiddlers tagged "$:/tags/Link" with an “url” field 
>> containing the URL. So, for example, I’m “jermolene”, and all my links are 
>> to be found at:
>> 
>> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/jermolene/
>> 
>> My bookmarking wiki is here:
>> 
>> https://jermolene-links.tiddlyhost.com
>> 
>> If enough people volunteer to be contributing editors, we can spread the 
>> workload and make something much more valuable than any of us could do 
>> individually. I’d be happy if we had a handful of contributing link editors 
>> making high quality bookmarks, but I think this system could be scaled to at 
>> least a few hundred.
>> 
>> If you’re interested, please reply here with the URL of your bookmarking 
>> wiki and your choice of username.
>> 
>> As ever, there’s a lot to do on the development side to take this forward:
>> 
>> * Improving the styling (consider the current colour scheme and styling to 
>> be a placeholder!)
>> * Adding JavaScript-based interactivity (particularly search)
>> * Adding support for multiple languages
>> * Adding an RSS/Atom feed
>> 
>> The development has required setting up another GitHub organisation in order 
>> to get another GitHub Pages site:
>> 
>> https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks
>> 
>> (For those with long memories, this is, of course, a variation of the 
>> "TWederation" archiecture we have discussed as a community for a long time).
>> 
>> I’ve been able to put this together in a few days thanks to all that I’ve 
>> learned on my recent client projects. My personal goal for 2021 remains to 
>> get a Community Plugin Library up and running for TiddlyWiki. The link 
>> aggregator is a simpler proposition that should give us some valuable 
>> experience for that initiative.
>> 
>> Questions and thoughts welcome,
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy.
>> 
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Much appreciated!



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 9:56 PM Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> So, your recommendation is:
>
> - setup a dedicated TW on GitHub or Tiddlyhost or any host accessible from
> the net
> - create a tiddler per resource with tag: $:/tags/Link and a field called
> url: "address to resource"
>
> More questions:
> Do I need to add description on tiddler body?
>
>
> Yes, the text of the tiddler body is the description. Ideally we should
> keep the descriptions pretty short, perhaps 5-10 words.
>
> Hopefully most of this is covered in the "about" page:
>
> https://links.tiddlywiki.com/pages/about/
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

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> So, your recommendation is: 
> 
> - setup a dedicated TW on GitHub or Tiddlyhost or any host accessible from 
> the net
> - create a tiddler per resource with tag: $:/tags/Link and a field called 
> url: "address to resource"
> 
> More questions:
> Do I need to add description on tiddler body? 

Yes, the text of the tiddler body is the description. Ideally we should keep 
the descriptions pretty short, perhaps 5-10 words.

Hopefully most of this is covered in the "about" page:

https://links.tiddlywiki.com/pages/about/

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
>  
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy
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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Thanks Jeremy!

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 9:35 PM Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

>
> Does this mean: I can set up a tiddler in one of my online wikis (e.g tag
>> with $:/tags/Link and create a url field with address to my wiki say
>> commander)?
>>
>
> Yes, that's right. Ideally, the wiki shouldn't have too much extraneous
> stuff apart from the links because it will be pulled by the system multiple
> times per day.
>

So, your recommendation is:

- setup a dedicated TW on GitHub or Tiddlyhost or any host accessible from
the net
- create a tiddler per resource with tag: $:/tags/Link and a field called
url: "address to resource"

More questions:
Do I need to add description on tiddler body?



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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

[Jeremy Ruston]

> Does this mean: I can set up a tiddler in one of my online wikis (e.g tag 
> with $:/tags/Link and create a url field with address to my wiki say 
> commander)?
>

Yes, that's right. Ideally, the wiki shouldn't have too much extraneous 
stuff apart from the links because it will be pulled by the system multiple 
times per day.

Best wishes

Jeremy



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