Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
fletch wrote: > When I first got my touch a couple of months ago, I tried that but I > still got a clock. After reading your reply, I just now tried it again. > > I still got the clock but after a second or so it went away and I got a > blank screen! > > I guess I didn't wait long enough last time to see it time out. > > I feel much better now about leaving it powered up now. Thanks for the > suggestion!Yeah when using " screen off when playing or paused" there is > longer delay which can be misleading.. Btw I remember trying to use "screen off when playing" and "screen on with custom clock when off" , but that just didn't work well at all.. "screen off when off" generally works well, but still once a while it will misbehave, at least for me. 3x Squeezebox Touch, 4x Squeezebox Radio, Squeezelite (RPi 3B with HiFiBerry DAC+Pro on OSMC), Material Skin Apk, Squeeze Commander, Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0 with Material Skin (Docker in DS218+) Jaca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58187 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
Jaca wrote: > Hmm there is screensaver option on touch to turn screen off.. Or is that > not completely off.. Confused [emoji848] When I first got my touch a couple of months ago, I tried that but I still got a clock. After reading your reply, I just now tried it again. I still got the clock but after a second or so it went away and I got a blank screen! I guess I didn't wait long enough last time to see it time out. I feel much better now about leaving it powered up now. Thanks for the suggestion! fletch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71552 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
fletch wrote: > Yes I agree with that as I have UPS units on all of my pc's and servers > The Touch already has a surge on it, but I do have a little spare ups I > can put on it as well. Yes I am worried about the screen going dim, I > wish you could really turn it off when not in use. The little amp I just > bought to go with the Touch has a OLED but the good thing is you can > turn it off after X seconds which I do. > > Thanks for the advice..Hmm there is screensaver option on touch to turn > screen off.. Or is that not completely off.. Confused [emoji848] 3x Squeezebox Touch, 4x Squeezebox Radio, Squeezelite (RPi 3B with HiFiBerry DAC+Pro on OSMC), Material Skin Apk, Squeeze Commander, Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0 with Material Skin (Docker in DS218+) Jaca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58187 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
sgmlaw wrote: > Just a tip that it is better for any DC power supply to leave it on > 24/7. > > Energizing a power supply off and on will wear down the filters (which > are usually electrolytics) faster than a steady rectified current will. > And the filters used on most walwart supplies are probably on the > cheaper side to begin with. > > The same is true for the internal circuits of the instruments > themselves. Capacitors wear better when kept fully energized. And > capacitor failure is still the number one failure item on most > electronic devices. > > The best thing you can do for any supply and its supplied equipment, > especially those with more fragile IC circuits, is to give it good > transient protection. We typically dispose of most electronics from > obsolescence than from damage and failures by observing this practice. > We have several Touches here with now over a decade of trouble-free 24/7 > operation. > > The biggest long-term wear item on these may be the display illumination > sources, especially so with the VFDs. And that can be moderated with > judicious settings. > > These devices use fairly standard spec supplies, so there are many > options when one ever does fail. Yes I agree with that as I have UPS units on all of my pc's and servers The Touch already has a surge on it, but I do have a little spare ups I can put on it as well. Yes I am worried about the screen going dim, I wish you could really turn it off when not in use. The little amp I just bought to go with the Touch has a OLED but the good thing is you can turn it off after X seconds which I do. Thanks for the advice.. fletch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71552 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
Just a tip that it is better for any DC power supply to leave it on 24/7. Energizing a power supply off and on will wear down the filters (which are usually electrolytics) faster than a steady rectified current will. And the filters used on most walwart supplies are probably on the cheaper side to begin with. The same is true for the internal circuits of the instruments themselves. Capacitors wear better when kept fully energized. And capacitor failure is still the number one failure item on most electronic devices. The best thing you can do for any supply and its supplied equipment, especially those with more fragile IC circuits, is to give it good transient protection. We typically dispose of most electronics from obsolescence than from damage and failures by observing this practice. We have several Touches here with now over a decade of trouble-free 24/7 operation. The biggest long-term wear item on these may be the display illumination sources, especially so with the VFDs. And that can be moderated with judicious settings. These devices use fairly standard spec supplies, so there are many options when one ever does fail. sgmlaw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13995 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
KeBul wrote: > Yeah I think the PSUs start to get noisy (electrically) and then the IR > receiver plays up, in my case, day to day remote use of the Touch is > using a Harmony remote (Activity programmed that turns on the Touch, > turns on my sound bar and selects the correct input on the sound bar for > the Touch, then Harmony remote operates Touch except for volume which is > done on the sound bar), the Touch stopped responding to the Harmony hub, > but did respond using a Squeezebox remote pointed directly at the > Touch. > > Changed the Touch PSU and it all started working with the Harmony hub as > before. > > Labelled up the old PSU and chucked it in the Squeeze"box" of bits - > still powers up the Touch so might do a turn in future troubleshooting! > :D > > Talking of the box of bits, I forgot... I do have a 2nd user Touch in > there that the screen is not as bright as my own purchased Touch, no > idea of its history as I picked it up on eBay as a spare a while back, > no idea if they dim over time but seems odd as Touch was released only a > few months before I bought mine, so if longevity of use dims the screen > them mine should be suffering. > > Kev Thanks I think I will go ahead and get a spare adapter. Not sure why but Touches are harder to come by than the radio but maybe one day I will find another for a backup as well fletch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71552 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
fletch wrote: > Ok what you mention above is why I asked the question. I had read that > the IR remote starts acting up when the power supply is getting long in > the tooth. When I got my touch, I noticed the IR was more picky than my > radios especially if you get too close. > I found another adapter for $20.00 so I may pick one up just in case. Yeah I think the PSUs start to get noisy (electrically) and then the IR receiver plays up, in my case, day to day remote use of the Touch is using a Harmony remote (Activity programmed that turns on the Touch, turns on my sound bar and selects the correct input on the sound bar for the Touch, then Harmony remote operates Touch except for volume which is done on the sound bar), the Touch stopped responding to the Harmony hub, but did respond using a Squeezebox remote pointed directly at the Touch. Changed the Touch PSU and it all started working with the Harmony hub as before. Labelled up the old PSU and chucked it in the Squeeze"box" of bits - still powers up the Touch so might do a turn in future troubleshooting! :D Talking of the box of bits, I forgot... I do have a 2nd user Touch in there that the screen is not as bright as my own purchased Touch, no idea of its history as I picked it up on eBay as a spare a while back, no idea if they dim over time but seems odd as Touch was released only a few months before I bought mine, so if longevity of use dims the screen them mine should be suffering. Kev KeBul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
KeBul wrote: > I purchased my Touch in August 2010 and it's been part of my system > since then. > > It's set to show the clock when not playing music and has been left > plugged into the mains 24/7 > > In September 2020 I noticed the remote control receiver of the Touch was > starting to play up, often the first sign of a failing PSU, I replaced > the PSU in October, the replacement I purchased cost £8.99 > > So the original PSU lasted 10 years and its replacement was not very > expensive. > > I can't think of any other electrical item in our house that has been > continuously plugged in and has lasted as long... Doh! yes I can... My > Squeezebox Boom, slightly longer in fact, been in service since 2009 and > still going albeit with a screen thats got some faint lines across it. > > Kev Ok what you mention above is why I asked the question. I had read that the IR remote starts acting up when the power supply is getting long in the tooth. When I got my touch, I noticed the IR was more picky than my radios especially if you get too close. I found another adapter for $20.00 so I may pick one up just in case. fletch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71552 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
I'm likewise a 24/7 chap with all my SqueezeKit... No power-related problems for many, many years. That said, for network / software etc etc reasons I do sometimes have to do a hard reboot of the units on the power side. Iirc, there was something recently that had me disconnecting the Radio battery to do a full pwoer cycle. But that was nothing to do with the power, as such. LMS 8.0.1 (1606118512) Win10 Control: Web GUI; sometimes OrangeSqueeze on Android phones / pads Machines / devices are in France, in two locations. a) Livebox 4 Internal HDD (FLAC music; mp3 voice), Desktop 3 x Touch - 2 wireless, 1 LAN. (7.8.0-r16754) 3 x SB Radios [2 wireless, 1 LAN] (7.7.3-r16676) 1 x Riva Arena (via Airplay LMS PlugIn) b) Freebox External SSD (all mp3), WiFi Laptop 1 x Touch LAN (Firmware:7.8.0-r16754) 2 x SB Radios, Wireless (7.7.3-r16676) agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
I routinely place devices in standby, which is "turning them off" from the remotes. When turned on they power up instantly, since they aren't completely physically off. On occasion I completely power off the Transporter, having had to replace a power supply already. With the Touch, it routinely turns itself back on for some reason, and I'll only notice when cycling through the players on the remote control. It can be on but with the screen black, a different condition than off but it looks the same. The radio also turns itself on. I think it's because I live in the country with occasional micro-outs or surges on the power lines. Not usually enough to cause the clocks in the stove and microwave to require re-setting, but enough to get the Touch and Radio to ON. The computers are all on UPSs, but I've not done that for the peripheral devices. R. LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3) Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.) Radio (WiFi) - home office Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 4) Touch x 1 - spare UE Radio x 1 - spare Boom x 1 - spare Controller x 1 - Spare Duet Receiver (backup) RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
One of my Touch players has been powered on continuously for at least 12 years (maybe once every few years there is a short power outage of less than an hour because of a storm or something). And use the digital clock screen saver as it also makes for a nice clock in its location. I've never had any issue with the display. (note, I've had issues with fading screen etc. for my Booms, so I keep those screens OFF when not using and do the same with my Transporter (screen off), using BLANKSAVER plugin.) *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
I leave both mine powered on but in standby- ever since purchased 10 years ago. Standby screensaver is blank to preserve display (I did have a screen failure which Logitech replaced under warranty). Constantly powering electronic stuff on and off is likely to lead to thermal expansion/contraction failure (IMO). My old Slimp3 and SB still work too! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk yeomanspc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=249 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
fletch wrote: > Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7 Yes. /Claus cfuttrup's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32784 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
slartibartfast wrote: > This one seems quite good. > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Battery-suitable-for-Logitech-Squeezebox-Radio-/112475696725?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286 > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using TapatalkThanks [emoji106] PS Out of stock on eBay.. Amazon lists it at £33.. I've bought 2nd hand battery pack with SB radio included for £35 [emoji23] Still great there is option to replace it [emoji106] 3x Squeezebox Touch, 4x Squeezebox Radio, Squeezelite (RPi 3B with HiFiBerry DAC+Pro on OSMC), Material Skin Apk, Squeeze Commander, Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0 with Material Skin (Docker in DS218+) Jaca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58187 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
Jaca wrote: > Out of interest..for when that day comes...hopefully not [emoji1696] > What brand do you buy/can recommend as replacement pack?This one seems quite > good. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Battery-suitable-for-Logitech-Squeezebox-Radio-/112475696725?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286 Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
slartibartfast wrote: > How often do you use your Radio on battery? My Radio which is normally > plugged in and only occasionally used on battery is still on the > original battery but the one that is used on battery every day is on > battery number 3. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using TapatalkOut of interest..for when that day > comes...hopefully not [emoji1696] What brand do you buy/can recommend as replacement pack? 3x Squeezebox Touch, 4x Squeezebox Radio, Squeezelite (RPi 3B with HiFiBerry DAC+Pro on OSMC), Material Skin Apk, Squeeze Commander, Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0 with Material Skin (Docker in DS218+) Jaca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58187 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
slartibartfast wrote: > How often do you use your Radio on battery? My Radio which is normally > plugged in and only occasionally used on battery is still on the > original battery but the one that is used on battery every day is on > battery number 3. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using TapatalkIt's mostly plugged in during colder > months with short (up to hour) indoor battery use 2-3 times a week, but with good weather it's in garden on battery almost every day 3h+ each time. (sometimes 6h). I bought another spare radio with battery (original) pack and it also seems to be going OK, although have no idea about it past owner use. The only sign of wearing is that sometimes little battery icon on radio display.. Dissappears for short periods of time.. Unless that's just buggy soft/firmware 3x Squeezebox Touch, 4x Squeezebox Radio, Squeezelite (RPi 3B with HiFiBerry DAC+Pro on OSMC), Material Skin Apk, Squeeze Commander, Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0 with Material Skin (Docker in DS218+) Jaca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58187 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
Jaca wrote: > Yeah it's amazing.. I also cannot understand how is it possible that > battery in my SB Radio has lasted almost 9years and still going strong.. > 6h + of playback.. Any other battery operated devices I had regardless > if constantly in use or not could not last half of that time.. > I'm only sad you cannot buy those original battery packs anymore, and > doubt 3rd party ones will be as goodHow often do you use your Radio on > battery? My Radio which is normally plugged in and only occasionally used on battery is still on the original battery but the one that is used on battery every day is on battery number 3. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
KeBul wrote: > I purchased my Touch in August 2010 and it's been part of my system > since then. > > It's set to show the clock when not playing music and has been left > plugged into the mains 24/7 > > In September 2020 I noticed the remote control receiver of the Touch was > starting to play up, often the first sign of a failing PSU, I replaced > the PSU in October, the replacement I purchased cost £8.99 > > So the original PSU lasted 10 years and its replacement was not very > expensive. > > I can't think of any other electrical item in our house that has been > continuously plugged in and has lasted as long... Doh! yes I can... My > Squeezebox Boom, slightly longer in fact, been in service since 2009 and > still going albeit with a screen thats got some faint lines across it. > > KevYeah it's amazing.. I also cannot understand how is it possible that battery in my SB Radio has lasted almost 9years and still going strong.. 6h + of playback.. Any other battery operated devices I had regardless if constantly in use or not could not last half of that time.. I'm only sad you cannot buy those original battery packs anymore, and doubt 3rd party ones will be as good 3x Squeezebox Touch, 4x Squeezebox Radio, Squeezelite (RPi 3B with HiFiBerry DAC+Pro on OSMC), Material Skin Apk, Squeeze Commander, Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0 with Material Skin (Docker in DS218+) Jaca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58187 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
I purchased my Touch in August 2010 and it's been part of my system since then. It's set to show the clock when not playing music and has been left plugged into the mains 24/7 In September 2020 I noticed the remote control receiver of the Touch was starting to play up, often the first sign of a failing PSU, I replaced the PSU in October, the replacement I purchased cost £8.99 So the original PSU lasted 10 years and its replacement was not very expensive. I can't think of any other electrical item in our house that has been continuously plugged in and has lasted as long... Doh! yes I can... My Squeezebox Boom, slightly longer in fact, been in service since 2009 and still going albeit with a screen thats got some faint lines across it. Kev KeBul's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
Jaca wrote: > Yeah all my players(apart or spare radio with battery) has been on 24/7 > most since around 2012.. That's beauty of having squeezeboxes always > ready/on standby to play whenever you like. I cannot imagine powering on > and waiting for it.. What about alarm clocks/scheduled music etc? > Or what about weather screensaver/clock on touch? [emoji23] > > Yeah make most out of it, don't think it consumes a lot of energy. I > guess it's always lottery with failing gear, hopefully it will serve you > a long time Same here. Mine have been up 24/7 since I bought them. Actually my "Touch" is my alarm clock. So it's on. Display set at "low" during the night. The only one I've had a problem with was a Duet for which the display has worn out and become very dim. But that's a problem with all duets. ggravier's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17196 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Do you leave your Touch powered up 24/7
fletch wrote: > I have had my Touch for a few weeks now and have been leaving it on 24/7 > but wondering if that is the correct thing to do? > > I have seen posts about the power supply getting flakey with age and > wondering if I should kill ac power when not in use? > > Do you leave yours plugged in all the time? > > Thanks.Yeah all my players(apart or spare radio with battery) has been on 24/7 most since around 2012.. That's beauty of having squeezeboxes always ready/on standby to play whenever you like. I cannot imagine powering on and waiting for it.. What about alarm clocks/scheduled music etc? Or what about weather screensaver/clock on touch? [emoji23] Yeah make most out of it, don't think it consumes a lot of energy. I guess it's always lottery with failing gear, hopefully it will serve you a long time 3x Squeezebox Touch, 4x Squeezebox Radio, Squeezelite (RPi 3B with HiFiBerry DAC+Pro on OSMC), Material Skin Apk, Squeeze Commander, Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0 with Material Skin (Docker in DS218+) Jaca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58187 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114520 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
